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I live in Brazil and have no FLGS here, nor any GW brick and mortar store. Since GW blessed everyone with the trade embargo, I made two purchases from the webstore and I paid and arm and a leg for UPS to deliver it to me.

Question: There's any way that we, who live overseas, can get the deals some of you get. I heard about 20% and whatnot.

I know that 40K ruleset is a bloated mess. WFB I'm waiting the coming of Sigmar to decide to enter WFB for the first time. But at full price starting an army mean forgetting my foray into Infinity, Malifaux and Warmahordes altogether.

If you are starting from scratch I should just buy alternative models, Mantic for example, and only rely on GW for the rules.

Ditto what Kilkrazy said.

Another option would be to buy used, or trade, I suppose. If you really want GW models and want them at a discount, you are probably going to have the get them second hand.

I won't push Mantic too hard as their models are not everybody's cup of tea, and I understand if you are dead set on GW models.

That said, I strongly recommend that you try alternative models, whether Wargames Factory, Dreamforge, Anvil Industries, Kromlech, etc. And I also suggest trying other game systems as well.

What is it that draws you to 40K in particular? I ask because depending on what you are interested in/want out of 40K there could be more easily obtained/cheaper alternatives that will get you what you need.

If you want genuine GW models? Make friends with a British person who knows how to ship things cost effectively. (hi)

Alternatively eBay and patience are your friend. Many people buy a kit, open the box, stash it and then eBay it when the apathy outweighs the delusion they'll ever build it.

It's funny. I read the GW rules and find it hard to remember. The warmachine ones are much better...But the universe of Space Marines, Eldar, Tyranids and etc excites me much more than those of the other games. Not a fan of Mantic models, but I kinda like them as a company.

If you are saying that the prices are an arm and a leg...heres a surprise its gameworkshop. [...deleted by Kilkrazy].

Promotion of illegal recasting is strictly forbidden on DakkaDakka.

It would help if you told us what kind of army you're trying to build if you're open to alternative minis.

Keraun0s wrote:
I live in Brazil and have no FLGS here, nor any GW brick and mortar store. Since GW blessed everyone with the trade embargo, I made two purchases from the webstore and I paid and arm and a leg for UPS to deliver it to me.

Question: There's any way that we, who live overseas, can get the deals some of you get. I heard about 20% and whatnot.

I know that 40K ruleset is a bloated mess. WFB I'm waiting the coming of Sigmar to decide to enter WFB for the first time. But at full price starting an army mean forgetting my foray into Infinity, Malifaux and Warmahordes altogether.

If I were you, I'd dip into GW's Lord of the Rings. The rulebooks are expensive (assuming you're, buying the most recent ones), but the plastic models still on sprue go for literal pennies on ebay at the moment , and the ruleset is as tight as they come. The more unusual OOP stuff is a bit pricey on ebay, but in terms of building up multiple armies to play with your friends, it's by far the most cost-effective option.

Check out "Mutants and Death Ray Guns" and "Flying Lead" by Ganesha Games, and "Chain Reaction" by Two Hour Wargames.

Those are nice little skirmish rule sets where you can use 40K models. One box of Space Marines and one box of Ork Boyz will get you two full opposing forces. A great way to indulge in the 40K universe, without having to mess about with the rulebooks and codices and what else.

If you like the 40k universe, miniatures, and fluff, you can always use an alternate ruleset like Rogue Planet to play your games. You would only need a handful of miniatures [which would save you money!], and your space marines would actually feel like space marines. There's no shipping costs for the rules if you only get the PDF, and there are free BattleScribe files out there to get you started with building your forces.

Keraun0s wrote:
I live in Brazil and have no FLGS here, nor any GW brick and mortar store. Since GW blessed everyone with the trade embargo, I made two purchases from the webstore and I paid and arm and a leg for UPS to deliver it to me.

Question: There's any way that we, who live overseas, can get the deals some of you get. I heard about 20% and whatnot.

I know that 40K ruleset is a bloated mess. WFB I'm waiting the coming of Sigmar to decide to enter WFB for the first time. But at full price starting an army mean forgetting my foray into Infinity, Malifaux and Warmahordes altogether.

If you have Facebook look up Discount_Games_Store they have fantastic prices.. not sure if they ship to Brazil or not bu worth a try. If you cant get the units discounted I would not start fantasy.. even with the discount i think GW pricing is a joke. I would be out of the hobby in a second if i didnt love the look and painting GW models.... thats the only thing that keeps me in it.

Keraun0s wrote:
I live in Brazil and have no FLGS here, nor any GW brick and mortar store. Since GW blessed everyone with the trade embargo, I made two purchases from the webstore and I paid and arm and a leg for UPS to deliver it to me.

Question: There's any way that we, who live overseas, can get the deals some of you get. I heard about 20% and whatnot.

I know that 40K ruleset is a bloated mess. WFB I'm waiting the coming of Sigmar to decide to enter WFB for the first time. But at full price starting an army mean forgetting my foray into Infinity, Malifaux and Warmahordes altogether.

Funnily enough I was in exactly the same situation about 4 years ago, the embargo came in literally just as I had put in a big WFB order and I had my purchase cancelled. Started playing some other games as a result. Has broadened my wargaming horizons, and more money for other pastimes (and beers!)

3 options:

1.) Alternative manufacturers.

2.) Play Orks. and scratch build

3.) Play very elite armies or ones with high point costs:
- Grey Knights
- Necrons
- Eldar Iyanden
- Imperial Knights

If youre in a metro area of Brazil and there's no FLGS maybe you are the right man/woman for the job!!!!


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Oh and a lot of the chatter on this site is pro "Kings of War" over WFB.... I know I'm on the fence for that too.

Is there a Brazilian Gumtree or Craigslist or something like that?

 doktor_g wrote:
If youre in a metro area of Brazil and there's no FLGS maybe you are the right man/woman for the job!!!!

Every game store owner has told me you can make a small fortune running a game store.

Trick is, you have to start with a large fortune...

As far as Mantic minis go, I always recommend people give them a look. They are among the least expensive options for getting a decent-sized army together, which makes them a good place to start bargain-hunting.

It never hurts to give them a look first, and if you don't like their minis, so be it. I don't care much for their elves myself, but their dwarves look like proper fighting dwarves instead of stereotypical alcoholic dwarves from GW (pity they're rather... undetailed). And their various undead troop models are pretty darn good.

To each their own.

I'd say you can wait until Wargames Factory runs a sale, and stock up on either Eisenkern stormtroopers for IG-analogs or Valkir for Space Marines-analog. The only thing you'd need are jump packs, literally.

As for tanks, I've always been a fan of converting real world tanks into 40k proxies. Use the inspiration for the rhino as a rhino (was it the M113?) The M2 Bradlee (I think) makes a great predator. It's available for 15$ on eBay.

 Snoopdeville3 wrote:

Keraun0s wrote:
I live in Brazil and have no FLGS here, nor any GW brick and mortar store. Since GW blessed everyone with the trade embargo, I made two purchases from the webstore and I paid and arm and a leg for UPS to deliver it to me.

Question: There's any way that we, who live overseas, can get the deals some of you get. I heard about 20% and whatnot.

I know that 40K ruleset is a bloated mess. WFB I'm waiting the coming of Sigmar to decide to enter WFB for the first time. But at full price starting an army mean forgetting my foray into Infinity, Malifaux and Warmahordes altogether.

If you have Facebook look up Discount_Games_Store they have fantastic prices.. not sure if they ship to Brazil or not bu worth a try. If you cant get the units discounted I would not start fantasy.. even with the discount i think GW pricing is a joke. I would be out of the hobby in a second if i didnt love the look and painting GW models.... thats the only thing that keeps me in it.

I 2nd this suggestion. I buy from Discount Games Store on ebay. They do ship worldwide.

I got back into WHFB with mantic (I had a wood elf army back in the early 90s that was ALL GW stuff. It also got stolen. The prices on their models made it not feasible for me to replace over the years using retail. Even with a discount.).

Mantic gave me the ability to start the game again with proxies whilst I hunted for 2nd hand GW stuff to replace the units with.

Now my HE army is about 2/3 GW (second hand) instead of 100%.

I still don't have enough spearmen or archers in GW stuff.

And the bases/weapons are right, so they will do as proxies until I do.

When neckbeards tell me that "they're to skinny" to be elves - I ask them to provide me with a REAL elf (as in living and breathing, not someone else's model) so I can do a scale comparison.

 chromedog wrote:
I got back into WHFB with mantic (I had a wood elf army back in the early 90s that was ALL GW stuff. It also got stolen. The prices on their models made it not feasible for me to replace over the years using retail. Even with a discount.).

Mantic gave me the ability to start the game again with proxies whilst I hunted for 2nd hand GW stuff to replace the units with.

Now my HE army is about 2/3 GW (second hand) instead of 100%.

I still don't have enough spearmen or archers in GW stuff.

And the bases/weapons are right, so they will do as proxies until I do.

When neckbeards tell me that "they're to skinny" to be elves - I ask them to provide me with a REAL elf (as in living and breathing, not someone else's model) so I can do a scale comparison.

I like the Mantic Elves - the proportions are nicely alien - not just humans with pointy ears.

One high point was looking at the elf 'ballista' and seeing that it had a muzzle brake - their bolt thrower is a cannon, not a ballista. (For the record - the person that plays Mantic elves in my KoW group is a neckbeard, and proud of it... don't go dissin' the neckbeards.)

The Auld Grump

Keraun0s wrote:

I know that 40K ruleset is a bloated mess. WFB I'm waiting the coming of Sigmar to decide to enter WFB for the first time. But at full price starting an army mean forgetting my foray into Infinity, Malifaux and Warmahordes altogether.

Honestly, I'd suggest foregoing GW if it's going to keep you out of 3 other games.

If you insist on GW, then as folks have said, used can be a good option except that you will still find fewer folks willing to ship to Brazil and shipping will still be high. If you like the minis, Mantic is an excellent option. Their units are based and armed almost all for WHFB and 40k compatibility.

Not trying to be a downer. It can be done, but it's going to be alot of work to do GW on a Budget outside of the USA or Europe.

Good Luck.

With regards to the Mantic stuff, how do they compare? Also, doesn't look like too many comparisons to 40k at least (though Kings of War compares pretty well to Fantasy)

Mantic are fine if gaming is your main hobby, if you are more into the actual models I would probably look elsewhere. As others have said, eBay is good, or save up and make larger purchases in one go to try and get discounted or free shipping. It's always worth emailing third party sellers to find out what they can do for you.

tigerstyle wrote:
With regards to the Mantic stuff, how do they compare? Also, doesn't look like too many comparisons to 40k at least (though Kings of War compares pretty well to Fantasy)

Different artistic style, better company values , an actual rewards program and good customer service.

As to the models, the production quality is solid. aesthetically it's up to you whether you like them or not.

tigerstyle wrote:
With regards to the Mantic stuff, how do they compare? Also, doesn't look like too many comparisons to 40k at least (though Kings of War compares pretty well to Fantasy)

For Mantic Warpath as 40k there are a few of factions that are clearly intended as proxies with weapon loadouts that are almost identical.
-Forgefathers as Space marines, they even have "terminator" types and dreadnoughts
-Corporation as IG.
-Maurader Orx as Space Orks

The Enforcers are a bit harder to place, though they could easily be a marine analogue. I'm not sure about the Veer-myn. Warpath as a whole hasn't been as developed as KoW, so there aren't as many options yet.

Apparently Warpath is due for a new version this year or the next. I would welcome it. The indecisiveness of close combat was definitely a downer for me.

And also barely playing a whole turn because the dice gods don't like you is not my cup of tea.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:


As for tanks, I've always been a fan of converting real world tanks into 40k proxies. .

This is a bad idea, real world tanks are not the right scale

For Mantic I swear by their Undead range, especially the plastic. Best plastic zombies I've seen, although they're of realistic proportion so it might not jive well if you plan to mix them up with other zombie kits. The skeletons are also good.

Their orcs are also pretty good, but again you can't mix and match them with other orc kits.

The others are pretty meh or downright horrible for me.

For humans I'd suggest buying Perry miniatures, Fireforge miniatures or Gripping Beast. Depends on the theme that you want, then you can buy metal heroes from GW, Reaper, Darksword or even Gripping Beast.


If you really want to go on a budget it would really help if you tell us which factions you're interested in so we can point you to the right direction. Some stuff out there are, in my opinion, better than GW but cheaper.

 Bullockist wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:


As for tanks, I've always been a fan of converting real world tanks into 40k proxies. .

This is a bad idea, real world tanks are not the right scale

True that, but I like that "not right" scale. I actually used 1/32 light tanks (that's right, made entirely out of light) and they are within 5mm of a GW model. Tanks hulls for APC also work well, you just need to detail the hole left by the turret.


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This one is what I was thinking about:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/M3-Bradley-Cavalry-Vehicle-1-48-/271898181690?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f4e65003a

I hate to be a bummer but...

(and I'm not trying to be a negative nancy)

If you are playing any of GWs games on a budget you will be at a sore disadvantage until you fill out your armies. It's kind of a arms/toys-race out there and it increasingly seems like a pay to win scenario...

... but only if you don't have a group of friends to play with or a decent store, which well, I don't suppose there would be a lot of shops in Brazil that carry the goods anyways, so...

Not saying it's impossible, I seem to have gotten into GW without selling any body parts. Yet I still find that I'm a bit underpowered in some respects. Especially once people get to know my lists.

As far as making the hobby cost less, well... there are companies that make cheaper minis, but like I said, you're reliant on a group that accepts those sorts of proxies. In reality, its not that hard given that other GW players are feeling the wallet crunch too, but it does put a limit on things sometimes.

I would suggest trying to make/proxy your own toys as much as possible. I recently could have spent money on jump packs for a project, instead I used bits and made my own. Also, you can get a lot out of kitbashing. No one seems to notice, but the best deal for Marines right now is the Khorne Berzerkers, 12 dudes for $45 is way better than $50 for 10. If you have a decent bits box it's not hard to convert them. Plus you can always find plenty of stuff on Ebay, which again more 40kers feeling the crunch, but usually you can get really great deals.

Also, check out paperhammer, models made from cardstock mostly, but if you can get good at it you can turn out some really cool stuff. I think there is a thing on Scribd about it, pretty dedicated cadre of paper modellers out there it seems, but they are a wary bunch!


Living in Brazil, well I have no experience with that whatsoever, lol, but I can imagine shipping fees suck, so really you have to be on top of that too. There is no way around it except to hunt for good deals on shipping as well. A lot of eBay sellers will offer products at a reduced rate, but then charge an equivalent amount to ship it to you so you're not really saving any money at all! However it's not impossible to find seller with decent rates. But since you live in Brazil... well like I said I have no idea what shipping costs, or what customs you might have to pay.

I myself am trying to find ways to save money on my addiction and by far the most efficient way to enjoy the hobby is to build as much of your own things as possible and find suitable stand-ins for the things you can't build yet. Not only can it be cheap, but it can be a whole lot more rewarding than simply buying something.

Also worth mentioning are some of GWs other games, that provide the same fun, but at a drastically reduced cost. Both Mordheim and Necromunda are skirmish based campaign games that only require a dozen or so minis for any given army. Kill Team is also a lot of fun and I'm sure you could find ways to make that game more in depth as well. Plus the rules for these games can usually be found online for free. If you wanted a real original GW Mordheim book though... yikes, start saving!

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

 Bullockist wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:


As for tanks, I've always been a fan of converting real world tanks into 40k proxies. .

This is a bad idea, real world tanks are not the right scale

True that, but I like that "not right" scale. I actually used 1/32 light tanks (that's right, made entirely out of light) and they are within 5mm of a GW model. Tanks hulls for APC also work well, you just need to detail the hole left by the turret.

I could be wrong, but I think Bullcockist was referring to "real" tanks as in not-models and was making a joke about how 1/1 scale is much bigger than 28mm.