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The FW Warcopta has become a flyer !
This is huge

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Warhammer_40000/Death-from-the-Skies.pdf


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For those not familiar with the rules of that thingy. It was an overcoster open topped fast skimmer with trukk stats only 2 hp and a better gun that you could take in squadrons of 3.
But now its a flyer

Ok, this is weird. Are they intending to release the rules for the warcopta as a new flyer? Does this mean a possible dreddmob update? They obviously didn't include the rules for it in this pdf. I like the news, at leaSt now it makes sense that our skimmer has a flyer base (was a very stupid design concept).

Yeah, this is weird. The really weird part is at the bottom, next to the asterisk, says that ground vehicles can somehow transition into zooming flyers - but warkoptas aren't one of these.

So, some ground vehicles get to be zooming flyers, but only certain ones, and only sometimes? But warkoptas aren't one of them?

I was hoping for an update for the blasta bommer as well, but only the fighta-bommer.

The newst rules of it are in IA appoc as far as I know but it is nearly identical in that book ( as in still a skimmer transport ).

But hey I don't care we have an opentopped flyer.




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Now for the most interesting part. How does firing out of an opentopped flyer work ?

AV10 all around flyer that can carry 10 models but none in Mega Armor. has zero dakka worth mentioning and costs more then twice as much as a trukk.

What would it carry that is worth a damn? 9 boyz and a nob? 10 Burna boyz? seriously what would it carry that is worth being carried like that?

On a side note, I have yet to use a flyer as an assault transport because orks don't have any, but what are the rules for assaulting from a flying transport? Can it only move 6 inches in order for the unit to still assault?

Another side note: If you can't charge out of it, what use would it be since the only units that can use it have at best 4+ armor and only 10 models.

Who here would love to see roks as a drop pod for orks? That would be beyond awesome

 Cptskillet wrote:
Who here would love to see roks as a drop pod for orks? That would be beyond awesome

THAT would be something. especially since Roks are HUGE and usually carry some serious Dakka.

AV 13/13/13 Assault Transport, 200pts. Carrying capacity 60 models. (may carry up to 6 units or Vehicles). Give it two or three Deff Kannons and maybe some big shootas

SemperMortis wrote:

What would it carry that is worth a damn?

BURNA BOYZ of course this flying rustbucket has a combat speed of 18" let the BBQ commence

 oldzoggy wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:

What would it carry that is worth a damn?

BURNA BOYZ of course this flying rustbucket has a combat speed of 18" let the BBQ commence

S4 Flame templates on an expensive platform with no armor save worth mentioning, in an open topped AV10 flyer, that when it jinks the passengers can't shoot.......

 oldzoggy wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:

What would it carry that is worth a damn?

BURNA BOYZ of course this flying rustbucket has a combat speed of 18" let the BBQ commence

I reckon it could be pretty fun with tankbustas onboard too.

SemperMortis wrote:


On a side note, I have yet to use a flyer as an assault transport because orks don't have any, but what are the rules for assaulting from a flying transport?

It needs to hover first to be able to do this. FW did not update the profile so this kopter doesn't have hover so you can never disembark from it. But who cares BURN

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 Cptskillet wrote:
Who here would love to see roks as a drop pod for orks? That would be beyond awesome

THAT would be something. especially since Roks are HUGE and usually carry some serious Dakka.

AV 13/13/13 Assault Transport, 200pts. Carrying capacity 60 models. (may carry up to 6 units or Vehicles). Give it two or three Deff Kannons and maybe some big shootas

That I could get behind, I mean it'd be extremely fluffy cause that's how they make planetfall. Would at least give orks a deep strike option instead of just running up the field and hoping for the best.

 oldzoggy wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:


On a side note, I have yet to use a flyer as an assault transport because orks don't have any, but what are the rules for assaulting from a flying transport?

It needs to hover first to be able to do this. But FW did not update the profile so this kopter doesn't have hover I guess. But who cares BURN

It's a helicopter of course it can hover, rules be damned. That is the whole point of helicopters!

Nope the whole point is to be a faster, cheaper and more fun burnawagon.


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I think you're forced to fire snapshots if the transport moves >6"

If it can land, it's an interesting concept for a unit of 10 shootaboyz that could fire snapshots while moving and than assault when it lands.

Tankbustas and flashgitz are good options to be in defkoptas, the jink gives the 101010 transport an amount of defence (at least more then a truck), the ability to take in squadrons helps lesson the impact of the fast attack it takes up.
With the faq, embarked units in a jinking transport snapfire, kinda sucks but orks don't care so much about bs6.
The tl Deff gun isn't bad either, it's just slightly better then a bigshoota (while not as great as a roket)
In my experience the defkopta is a decent transport that has served well un bringing my short ranged dakka squads into range while also getting a bit of protection.

Now this all may change with a rules change to the warcopta, but it is by no means a terrible unit.

Asked it in YMDC. Fliers seem to have a combat speed of 18"
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/697275.page

 Cptskillet wrote:
Who here would love to see roks as a drop pod for orks? That would be beyond awesome

It would be awesome, but we'll never likely see it. Hollowed out asteroids with random structures on them are way too easy to scratch build, and would be way to expensive to produce in resin.

GW is likely to do what they did with the Tyranid Mycetic spores and Tyrannocytes and turn them into something simlilar concept wise.

ORK BOX, drop pod like transport, holds 20 regular models or 10 mega armored models, or 3 kans, or 1 deffdread. Has useless firepower and scatters an additional die of distance, costs more points than space marine drop pod, but damages anything it lands on.

Roks are not pebbles.

To quote the Armageddon3 site:
"Dozens of Ork Roks have made landings throughout Armageddon, providing Ghazghkull's forces with gigantic read-made citadels. Not only are these monstrous asteroid fortresses crammed with missiles and guns, but they also contain giant teleporter arrays the Ork Meks use to bring down Gargants, troops and heavy artillery to the planet's surface in vast numbers."

The arrival of a Rok would best be represented by dropping another table on top of the game table.

Man, we've gotten off topic. I do like talking about the concept and implimentation of ork roks, but let's talk about the warcopta.
Maybe they will make the warcopta into something like the valkyrie, but assault. And maybr, just maybe they will allow ma to hop on As well.

Interesting news about the Warcopta.

 adamsouza wrote:

 Cptskillet wrote:
Who here would love to see roks as a drop pod for orks? That would be beyond awesome

It would be awesome, but we'll never likely see it. Hollowed out asteroids with random structures on them are way too easy to scratch build, and would be way to expensive to produce in resin.

GW is likely to do what they did with the Tyranid Mycetic spores and Tyrannocytes and turn them into something simlilar concept wise.

ORK BOX, drop pod like transport, holds 20 regular models or 10 mega armored models, or 3 kans, or 1 deffdread. Has useless firepower and scatters an additional die of distance, costs more points than space marine drop pod, but damages anything it lands on.

It seems unlikely, sure. but then again they made the Munitorum Armoured Containers, so why not Roks? Or sure, Ork drop boxes. Maybe they could re-purpose all those unsold Gorkanaut sprues. Glue 2 belly/torsos together, boom, Ork drop pod.

Brilliant! Key word Combat Speed. Love it! Not to burninate some fish boys!

I see where they gave Ork Warcoptas the 'Attack Flyer' Combat Role. Where did they change its Unit Type to 'Flyer'?

I'd want to throw burnas in it if it worked where the combat speed is 18 then you can flame. I bet though they would do something about that quickly. Lootas wouldn't be a terrible choice at least for me they always hit better from inside a squiggoth so maybe that would hold true here lol.

 Ghaz wrote:
I see where they gave Ork Warcoptas the 'Attack Flyer' Combat Role. Where did they change its Unit Type to 'Flyer'?

There is no change Type to flyer line but this + giving it the 2 flyer stats at least suggest that it is a flyer

Updated Values for Forge World Flyers
This section provides Combat Roles and Agility and Pursuit scores for existing Forge World Flyers. In addition, some Flyers may also have new or adjusted special
rules and base statistics. These Flyers will have full profiles presented in the following section.

No. Giving it the 'Attack Flyer' Combat Role simply means that when you use Death From the Skies it uses that Combat Role. It does not suggest that it changes its Unit Type, as I see nothing that requires a unit with the 'Attack Flyer' Combat Role to actually be a Flyer.

Can you have evasion and a pursuit and agility score without being a flyer ? On top of that how can you be part of the collection "existing Forge World Flyers" without being a flyer.

Where does a name make it a Flyer? Is an Assault Cannon an Assault weapon because of its name? Can you point out where having a Pursuit and Agility stat changes its Unit Type to 'Flyer'?

If they wanted to change its Unit Type, they could have an updated datasheet like they did for the Night Scythe, etc. All I see is the addition of a Combat Role, nothing more.

It isn't because of the name it is because it has gained flyer stats, is on a flyer base and is in a list of flyers but meh we will just not agree on this one.

Well, if the warkopta is not a flyer, then why did they give it pursuit/agility characteristics? They did give those to some non-flyer models in this updated, granted, but those are specifically called by an asterisk (like the tempest land speeder).

Perhaps they meant to include an asterisk for the warkopta? Perhaps they meant to make it a flyer?

I honestly don't know, though if I had to bet, I'd go with the former rather than the latter, much as I'd like to have burnas with 18" movement ranges that also fly.