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I know what you mean about the Belligerent part when you know that you can "kind of" afford something MTO but really shouldn't. Or if its something like infantry where you could get one box easily enough but not enough to make a whole proper army/force from them.

Yeah any sniff of FOMO gets insta ban from my list. I don't need the sense of urgency in my hobby life, thank you sir.
Old world is an attention grab that aims many old collectors, nostalgia etc... adding FOMO yeah is not cool at all.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Old world is an attention grab that aims many old collectors, nostalgia etc... adding FOMO yeah is not cool at all.

I'd bet those Total War games have bought them some new blood too.

As for made to order, It would be nice if they would licence the models to another company kinda like they did with Armorcast back in the 90s, but with oop minis instead of large scale model concepts.

But I guess that means they couldn't reach unto their back pocket for a slow release week...
and they'd have to share

I have the opposite reaction to Made to Order. I much prefer it to GW's usual modern sales method for new releases.

With most of their new stuff, you have to be ready and waiting on the webstore at exactly the right second of the minute of the hour of the release day, or the item you want will sell out and you'll have to wait months for it to show up again, or else pay scalpers' prices. Especially since they seem to make a habit of under-producing so that they can be sure they'll sell through all their stock. It's not quite "queuing overnight in the rain waiting for the video game shop to open", but it's mentally stressful. I did it exactly once long ago (for Space Hulk 3rd edition) and vowed never to do it again.

But with Made to Order, you get a nice comfy span of about a week in which you can place an order at your leisure. The minis might take months to arrive, but there's no stock limit, so you're guaranteed a purchase if you so choose.

I knew I wanted Stone Trolls (having loved those minis for decades), but was on the fence about the Marauder Giant. The MTO window gave me time to mull it over.

By the standards of other companies it's still FOMO, but by GW standards it's practically civilised.


Also ...

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

Zenithfleet wrote:
I'd like to apologise to everyone in advance for this ...

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
So, I just had an email from GW informing me that Lady Eisse Duchaard is back in stock. Great!

I immediately went to the site to order one, but it was already sold out.

Why is this model getting scalped so hard?


Edit: I just had another email from GW, half an hour after the previous one, again telling me that the model is back in stock.

So I immediately went to the site to check, unfortunately it's out of stock again

Edit#2 : I had a third "back in stock notification", this time I was able to buy

"Everyone said I was daft for not buying a Lady Elisse Duchaard the instant she went up on the site. But I got GW to send me an email, just to show 'em! That mini went out of stock. So I got a second email! That mini went out of stock. So I got a third email! That mini broke the mould, fell over and then went out of stock. But the fourth mini stayed in my basket. And that's what you're going to get, lad. She's beautiful, she's expensive, she's got huge ... tracts of silicone mould debris ..."

This just reads like rambling nonsense to me, lad

You're on a wargaming site, you're talking about a Bretonnian mini and you have a British flag in your profile. I just assumed you'd get the reference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w82CqjaDKmA

Zenithfleet wrote:

But with Made to Order, you get a nice comfy span of about a week in which you can place an order at your leisure. The minis might take months to arrive, but there's no stock limit, so you're guaranteed a purchase if you so choose.

Not entirely true. Mostly true, but not quite.

The Morathi mini made to order was pulled early around mid week, and they would not return the model for sale on the MTO after that. Not everyone that had already ordered received it either.

If you order early you tend to get yours quicker as they tend to have limited stock cast up at start anyway. This means if you have an issue with a model like it doesn't arrive or its miscast/mispacked then you have a chance of them replacing it within the MTO window. Outside the MTO window they will often just refund. People have recently reported the Bretonnian MTO having gone missing or not being sent and having been refunded as GW won't recast them.

They missed a MTO book run of mine and it was only by luck that they found a set of books in warhammer world and were able to send them out three months outside of the due date of the run.

Their MTOs are just as unreliable as their other items, it just has a more unique sales pitch than regular items. (As in... its removed from the webstore after a week, rather than languishing as a 'always out of stock' item in the old world section forever more.)

The morathi situation is not common - the mould broke and GW didn't have means/resources to invest to restore the model so it got pulled from sale.

 Overread wrote:
The morathi situation is not common - the mould broke and GW didn't have means/resources to invest to restore the model so it got pulled from sale.

GW Dont have means/resources?

Presumably the master was lost or damaged, so they couldn't make a new mould easily.

Exactly, if the master is damaged or lost they'd have to remake the model. Meanwhile if the mould broke so fully then there is a cost attached to that and that cost might have been more than GW wanted ot invest for the potential profit of one MTO run.

Zenithfleet wrote:

You're on a wargaming site, you're talking about a Bretonnian mini and you have a British flag in your profile. I just assumed you'd get the reference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w82CqjaDKmA

Oof, my bad, sorry. I was never into Monty Python

 Overread wrote:
Exactly, if the master is damaged or lost they'd have to remake the model. Meanwhile if the mould broke so fully then there is a cost attached to that and that cost might have been more than GW wanted ot invest for the potential profit of one MTO run.

It usually wouldn't be quite that severe. The 'master' usually refers to the master mould or master castings, rather than the original master model (which GW is very much less likely to still have in their possession anyway – long ago, designers used to keep them, as evidenced by occasional private sales, and many would have been damaged in the original mould-making process anyway). What happens is that the original master model (or 'green') is used to make a master mould. That is used to make a number of master castings, and the masting castings are used to make a production mould, before being stored away. When the production mould breaks, the master castings are used to make a new production mould. If the master castings are lost or damaged, the master mould is used to make more master castings. Master castings can also be used to make a new (second generation) master mould. There will be some loss of fidelity over the course of this process but it's minimal, since the master moulds and master castings are used a minimal number of times.

With Morathi, it was most likely the production mould which broke. It's probably the case that it can be remade, but perhaps not easily or quickly if the master castings were stored in a deep archive, possibly off-site, or in poorly organised storage, where they would be difficult to find. Some of the WarCom articles about the Old World Made to Orders suggest this is the case, so GW perhaps just wasn't confident they could find the master castings, or master mould, and make a new production mould and then resume production within the time frame for the Made to Order window. Making new moulds would once have been routine for GW but they make barely any models in metal nowadays, so capacity for the mould-making part of the process is probably pretty low.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

Zenithfleet wrote:

You're on a wargaming site, you're talking about a Bretonnian mini and you have a British flag in your profile. I just assumed you'd get the reference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w82CqjaDKmA

Oof, my bad, sorry. I was never into Monty Python

"We've found a witch! May we burn them?"

So I got my Lady Elisse and first thoughts

1) The resin feels slightly different. Firmer, smoother and closer to what I've experienced with Creature Caster resin than some earlier FW resins. This is a subtle change but it feels different.

2) I've looked the parts over and I don't see ANY rubber mould parts or anything on the model. I can't see any degraded details either - it all honestly looks really well cast.

3) The only area I'd look down on is that the gating appears a little wild - some very thick gates here and there. There's also that standard thin layer of resin here and there that's easy to clean off



Honestly looks well cast, though I've not got to full cleanup and assembly stage.

 Overread wrote:
So I got my Lady Elisse and first thoughts

1) The resin feels slightly different. Firmer, smoother and closer to what I've experienced with Creature Caster resin than some earlier FW resins. This is a subtle change but it feels different.

2) I've looked the parts over and I don't see ANY rubber mould parts or anything on the model. I can't see any degraded details either - it all honestly looks really well cast.

3) The only area I'd look down on is that the gating appears a little wild - some very thick gates here and there. There's also that standard thin layer of resin here and there that's easy to clean off



Honestly looks well cast, though I've not got to full cleanup and assembly stage.

This is reassuring, thanks for the insight. I've steered clear of resin minis for quite a while now as I've found a happy place with HIPS and various Tamiya cements to bodge my models together. Any recommendations for glues that work well with resins these days? Cheers!

Any superglue should do the trick.

Just be sure to score the join surfaces with a blade tip/scalpel. The scoring increases the bond strength and also makes the supeglue go tacky and hold parts together very fast.

Otherwise if its two really flat surfaces that bond it takes a good while for the superglue to hold on.

Note you do still make sure the join surfaces fit as smooth and flush as possible, then score them.

 Overread wrote:
So I got my Lady Elisse and first thoughts

1) The resin feels slightly different. Firmer, smoother and closer to what I've experienced with Creature Caster resin than some earlier FW resins. This is a subtle change but it feels different.

2) I've looked the parts over and I don't see ANY rubber mould parts or anything on the model. I can't see any degraded details either - it all honestly looks really well cast.

3) The only area I'd look down on is that the gating appears a little wild - some very thick gates here and there. There's also that standard thin layer of resin here and there that's easy to clean off



Honestly looks well cast, though I've not got to full cleanup and assembly stage.

I'm glad yours is okay.

My biggest complaint by far was the size and position of the casting gates; if you had to pick the WORST positions for a casting gate, this mini has one in pretty much every single one of those positions. I can laugh about it now, and the mini is fantastic, but it made me want to tear my hair out.

Yeah one hoof of mine has got a clipped hoof from the cleanup - easy to fix - but I agree huge gates.

Though not the worst - I reserve that right now for some of the Dropfleet/zone models (and I really hate typing that as I think they've fantastic designs, but yeah their casting is questionable - as is some design choices like putting lots of ridges and spines on the mould line!

The AoS Skaven preview( pre-preview?) is up, and I have to say they look pretty damn good. The Warlock Engineer and the Jezzails are particularly tasty.

Just about everything could work for TOW, straight up. Use the Ratling Warp Blaster as a Warp Lightning Cannon. The only thing that doesn't have at least a "counts as" is the Warlord on Gnaw-beast. No cavalry mounts for Skaven. Although, ISTR that in one of the Skaven Army books there was an option for mutated giant rat, alongside the litter and Rat Ogre mounts.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/17/drown-the-mortal-realms-in-the-skaventide-gnawing-through-to-newaos/

I just wonder if they are going to sell the forces separately as well. I really don't have any interest in playing AoS.

Absolutely. They are surprisingly restrained and mostly faithful recreations of the old designs. I'll definitely put them on squares.

edit: oops wrong thread

I wonder how many TOW players will hunt for Skaven part of that new AoS box?

 BertBert wrote:
Absolutely. They are surprisingly restrained and mostly faithful recreations of the old designs. I'll definitely put them on squares.

Even GW is wise enough to know not to mess with perfection! (And to finally update severe imperfection, RE: Rat Ogres. )

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

 BertBert wrote:
Absolutely. They are surprisingly restrained and mostly faithful recreations of the old designs. I'll definitely put them on squares.

Even GW is wise enough to know not to mess with perfection! (And to finally update severe imperfection, RE: Rat Ogres. )

The two rat ogres from island of blood at least were nice

When is the next army expected? I was really hoping to have Dwarfs in hand by start of July.

O&G preview was 20th Jan and pre order was 23rd March

Dwarfs we're previewed 21st March, so I would guess pre order is due any weekend now.

I wonder will they now wait until the price increase in June has come into effect.

I really hope they will allow full Slayer army with Ungrim. Ofc, old slayer models are ugly as hell, but there are way better replacements.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
I wonder how many TOW players will hunt for Skaven part of that new AoS box?

A lot, probably, it's 1000 points for ToW on the skaven side if you call the new artillery piece a warp lightning cannon, two boxes and you have an army.

Mounted character is the only thing that's tricky, could be unit filler or maybe take the rider off and call it a hellpit.

Heck I'll grab the Skaven half for Kings of War.