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The 40k Land Raider kit makes me a very sad panda when I think about buying and building it. The Legiones Astartes Land Raider Proteus on the other hand I think would make a really cool Venerable Land Raider for my Adeptus Custodes.

The issue is: The two Land Raiders aren't exactly the same size. Am I hurting myself if I choose to use the smaller vehicle?

Also, I remember that you could use HH vehicles in 40k that had the same name (Rhino/Land Raider), is that still the case for 11th?

Depends on where you want to play it.
In regular casual games it should be fine.
But some diehard tournament chuds can really clutch pearls over the tiniest things so they *might* give you some grief. But how important are those people or their opinions anyways?

 kirotheavenger wrote:
Depends on where you want to play it.
In regular casual games it should be fine.
But some diehard tournament chuds can really clutch pearls over the tiniest things so they *might* give you some grief. But how important are those people or their opinions anyways?

My main store will be a Warhammer store. Where I will play people who will never play in RTs or GTs.

They probably won't care, GW plastic is GW plastic.

Worth mentioning it's not -just- smaller. It's shorter, but the substantial ground clearance on the tracks means the 30k land raider has a quite bit higher profile, making it visible over some obstacles.

https://minicompare.info/?land-raider-proteus=&grey-knights-land-raider-redeemer=

As always, check with the people you are going to be playing against, vs. strangers on the internet.

Most people should not care.

I wouldn't bat an eye and thankfully the newer terrain rules make a lot of the variance irrelevant anyway.

 Nevelon wrote:
As always, check with the people you are going to be playing against, vs. strangers on the internet.

Most people should not care.

I don't really have a set group of people I play with yet.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
As always, check with the people you are going to be playing against, vs. strangers on the internet.

Most people should not care.

I don't really have a set group of people I play with yet.

If you are playing in a WH store, check with the guy running it. As long as it’s an official GW model, should not be a problem. But if he’s had issues with 3D prints and recasts, he might have a bee in his bonnet.

It shouldn’t be an issue. Most people are just happy to get a game in. The slight differences in size are not going to impact the game as much as the mood of your dice. But hypothetically there could be people out there. So we can’t give you a 100% certain answer.

Although the kind of people who would make a fuss might be the kind of rules lawyers you don’t want to play anyway…

His outlook on 3d prints is if you can't tell, it's okay. He says he wants a person watching to be able to point to a model you are playing with and he should be able to tell them how to get one of their own.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
His outlook on 3d prints is if you can't tell, it's okay. He says he wants a person watching to be able to point to a model you are playing with and he should be able to tell them how to get one of their own.

If he can walk over the the shelf and grab a 30k LR, (or order one from the kiosk) you should be good to go!

 Nevelon wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
His outlook on 3d prints is if you can't tell, it's okay. He says he wants a person watching to be able to point to a model you are playing with and he should be able to tell them how to get one of their own.

If he can walk over the the shelf and grab a 30k LR, (or order one from the kiosk) you should be good to go!

Yep. You can. I was just worried if there might be a issue with its footprint.

I plan on picking up a 30k Rhino for my Sisters if Silence... it's strangely cheaper than the 40k one.

(I kinda wish I could find the really old Land Raider or Rhino. I know they are super tiny. But I bet they'd be fun to plop down on the tabletop resplendent in Custodes gold)

Bit shorter, bit taller, about the same width.

I should take similar pics with my rhinos. Which were not hit with the melta blast that is the back window shelf of a car on a hot summer day…

 Nevelon wrote:


Bit shorter, bit taller, about the same width.

I should take similar pics with my rhinos. Which were not hit with the melta blast that is the back window shelf of a car on a hot summer day…

You want my advice on how to save that model? Start playing Orcs and modify it into a battle wagon, it's already got the ork architecture built in from the solar radiation that gave super cancer to the necrons
Just slap a big old turret on top and put some scrap metal panels everywhere, and you're good to go!

 Mrangryork wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:


Bit shorter, bit taller, about the same width.

I should take similar pics with my rhinos. Which were not hit with the melta blast that is the back window shelf of a car on a hot summer day…

You want my advice on how to save that model? Start playing Orcs and modify it into a battle wagon, it's already got the ork architecture built in from the solar radiation that gave super cancer to the necrons
Just slap a big old turret on top and put some scrap metal panels everywhere, and you're good to go!

You know, that’s not a horrible idea. It’s been collecting dust for a while, on my to do eventually list. But with some orks incoming with the new 11th box…

But I should reserve it for some metal Space Ork Raiders i’ve got kicking around half done. Waaghhhh like it’s the early 90’s.

We’ll see.

Ask your opponent first, but frankly anyone who objects to you using an official GW Land Raider Model with the Official GW Land Raider Datasheet is not the kind of person you want to be playing against anyway.

I mean hell, I have two dinky RT Land Raiders alongside a heavily converted Mk3b and 3 Spartans, I love Land Raiders, but anyone getting nitpicky over exact dimensions can find another opponent, I'll be over here playing with people who are fun

 Nevelon wrote:

 Mrangryork wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:


Bit shorter, bit taller, about the same width.

I should take similar pics with my rhinos. Which were not hit with the melta blast that is the back window shelf of a car on a hot summer day…

You want my advice on how to save that model? Start playing Orcs and modify it into a battle wagon, it's already got the ork architecture built in from the solar radiation that gave super cancer to the necrons
Just slap a big old turret on top and put some scrap metal panels everywhere, and you're good to go!

You know, that’s not a horrible idea. It’s been collecting dust for a while, on my to do eventually list. But with some orks incoming with the new 11th box…

But I should reserve it for some metal Space Ork Raiders i’ve got kicking around half done. Waaghhhh like it’s the early 90’s.

We’ll see.

I 100% thought this was an Ork conversion or something you sculpted yourself. Accidental melting makes a lot of sense, but wow, it's basically unrecognisable! That hurts.

I second the Ork suggestion regardless.

What if you made a base for the LR Proteus that had the exact same footprint as the 40K LR? That should satisfy most nitpickers..

Another option would be to use the legends LR Proteus datasheet, then they'd have no excuse (AFAIK Legends are allowed for non-tourney games)

I am personally going to be using a Spartan fitted with dual lascannon sponsons as a "counts as 40K Land Raider". Anyone not cool with it, I wont be playing them. Rule of cool trumps all

As for Rhinos, both 30K and 40K Rhinos have the exact same footprint, so use whichever looks the best to you. You can even kitbash both together for custom variants, say, by using the "wrong" front hatch pieces

Honestly with the rotation rules for vehicles removed the squatter-but-taller profile of the Proteus is pretty much just a straight downgrade on the 40k Landraider.

I wouldn't worry about it one iota.
No reasonable person would care enough.

One thing that helps with counts as like this is if any questions arise, default to your opponent.

So if there is a question about LoS, how many models can reach it, will it fit, etc think about if being the wrong size would make a difference, and rule in way that’s favorable to the person you are playing.

It will probably not even come up. But when it does the fact that you are not taking advantage of it pretty much puts an end to most MFA arguments.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 kirotheavenger wrote:
Depends on where you want to play it.
In regular casual games it should be fine.
But some diehard tournament chuds can really clutch pearls over the tiniest things so they *might* give you some grief. But how important are those people or their opinions anyways?

My main store will be a Warhammer store. Where I will play people who will never play in RTs or GTs.

Then the store management are the people you need to ask.
Who knows what their policy on HH models, Legends, proxies, etc are....

 Nevelon wrote:

 Mrangryork wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:


Bit shorter, bit taller, about the same width.

I should take similar pics with my rhinos. Which were not hit with the melta blast that is the back window shelf of a car on a hot summer day…

You want my advice on how to save that model? Start playing Orcs and modify it into a battle wagon, it's already got the ork architecture built in from the solar radiation that gave super cancer to the necrons
Just slap a big old turret on top and put some scrap metal panels everywhere, and you're good to go!

You know, that’s not a horrible idea. It’s been collecting dust for a while, on my to do eventually list. But with some orks incoming with the new 11th box…

But I should reserve it for some metal Space Ork Raiders i’ve got kicking around half done. Waaghhhh like it’s the early 90’s.

We’ll see.

might have to put a deff roller on the front to make it size a bit better, but other than that, dimensionally it's practically perfect.


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ccs wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 kirotheavenger wrote:
Depends on where you want to play it.
In regular casual games it should be fine.
But some diehard tournament chuds can really clutch pearls over the tiniest things so they *might* give you some grief. But how important are those people or their opinions anyways?

My main store will be a Warhammer store. Where I will play people who will never play in RTs or GTs.

Then the store management are the people you need to ask.
Who knows what their policy on HH models, Legends, proxies, etc are....

Yeah, you probably should ask, but I'm sure they'll think it's fine.

If you find people being a bit rubbish about it (personally, I would say something along the lines of "Oh, awesome, is that a 30k landraider? That's so cool!"), you could always make a base for it which is exactly the right size for a modern landraider. Slap a couple of trees as a diorama and explain that the base is part of the model, to make it the same as a modern one.

I'd say just use it though - it's a warhammer land raider, and the difference in size is meh!

a land raider is a land raider is a land raider, use it.

I really cannot imagine anyone having an issue with it, at least outside the strictest of tournaments.

That being said, if you're worried about the issue, isn't Spartan more comparable size to 40K Land Raider?

Sad that it has to be asked. My 40k collection dates back to the 90s when I started collecting and some earlier figures that I have picked up off of eBay.

40k isn't a computer game, it is a toy soldier game, where at one point they encouraged you to modify, build your own, and kitbash. Nothing I own is obsolete.

Plus I play 5th edition/houserule. Stop me if you can, GW!

Sheesh, people act like GW has a SWAT team hunting down people that don't play by their rules.

It’s more opponent’s consent.

Here, the Landraider Proteus is overall smaller, but offset by greater height.

But, that still changes TLOS. So an opponent would hardly be unfair or unreasonable for declining and requesting you use the appropriate model.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s more opponent’s consent.

Here, the Landraider Proteus is overall smaller, but offset by greater height.

But, that still changes TLOS. So an opponent would hardly be unfair or unreasonable for declining and requesting you use the appropriate model.

Yes they would. They absolutely would. The size of the models changes in this game with updates all the time, and this is not a huge difference. Hell, the current Proteus is larger than the original 40K Land Raider, and that too is an usable model.

Something as simple as posing a miniature different to the boxart changes the TLoS. The extent to which it's reasonable to object depends on how significant the change is.

The difference in functionality between a 30k LR and a 40k LR is almost entirely moot, I don't think it would be reasonable to object

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s more opponent’s consent.

Here, the Landraider Proteus is overall smaller, but offset by greater height.

But, that still changes TLOS. So an opponent would hardly be unfair or unreasonable for declining and requesting you use the appropriate model.

That is the definition of unreasonable. It's a toy tank that, GW made, that represents a legacy model in a universe in which legacy models are revered as "venerable."

I'm so glad I don't have to play with people like that. That's worse than historical gamers arguing over which country's Napoleonic infantry were better.

My experience is that people on the Internet will be quick to tell you that using anything but the current model assembled exactly according to the instructions is '''modeling for advantage'''.

My experience is also that people in the real world recognize the difference between using older or alternate models versus trying to cheesily eke out a competitive advantage. You can even do things like play with old models that aren't on the current base size (shock! horror!) and just make a point not to exploit the difference, and I find most folks are completely fine with that.

If you do run into someone who refuses a game on the basis of a minor dimensional discrepancy from the Official Citadel Miniature, that's their right. Just remember that you're building what you think looks cool, they're worried about millimeter precision for the sake of gameplay- you're not on the same page to begin with, which means they're probably just saving you from a game that wouldn't be mutually enjoyable.