After visiting my nearest GW store about a fortnight ago, I noticed that they were having 'a model of the month' painting competition and the model of the month happened to be the Dark Eldar Incubi. To enter, you had to buy a box of Incubis, paint them and enter them in the comp.
Seeing this, I mused to my friend jokingly, 'Maybe they're just trying to get rid of the stuff that's going to be updated'.
However, a red shirt overheard me and asked me how I knew that and not to mention it again or else I would be thrown out of the store.

Are the DE no longer update proof?

However, a red shirt overheard me and asked me how I knew that and not to mention it again or else I would be thrown out of the store.

Uhhh, what?

Phryxis wrote:

However, a red shirt overheard me and asked me how I knew that and not to mention it again or else I would be thrown out of the store.

Uhhh, what?

Sounds like something a red shirt would say alright.

I don't live anywhere near a GWS shop, but if I did, I'd try as hard as I could to get a job there, even though I'm pretty confident it would pay less then what I did now - solely for the satisfaction of trolling the customers and seeing what outlandish rumors I could get on Dakka/Warseer/BOLS etc etc.

"Yeah, plastic thunderhawks in two months. Don't tell anyone I said so, though, or I'll have to ban you from the store".

Boss 'eadbreaka wrote:
However, a red shirt overheard me and asked me how I knew that and not to mention it again or else I would be thrown out of the store.

Knife him. Discretion is the better part of valor.

Khestra the Unbeheld wrote:

Boss 'eadbreaka wrote:
However, a red shirt overheard me and asked me how I knew that and not to mention it again or else I would be thrown out of the store.

Knife him. Discretion is the better part of valor.

Agree with the knifing (but, when don't i?) - but disagree with the discretion. When something's worth doing, it's worth doing while screaming "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!"

Sounds like he didn't want you telling the truth!

Well what he was really saying is Dark eldar was a code word for a dead hooker. Now when you have a dead hooker you have to get that gak out of the place before it smells and you draw attention. Which painting was another codeword for distraction, combine the two with "Painting the Dark Eldar" and you have yourself one fine hooker clean up crew on its way.

Ouze wrote:I don't live anywhere near a GWS shop, but if I did, I'd try as hard as I could to get a job there, even though I'm pretty confident it would pay less then what I did now - solely for the satisfaction of trolling the customers and seeing what outlandish rumors I could get on Dakka/Warseer/BOLS etc etc.

"Yeah, plastic thunderhawks in two months. Don't tell anyone I said so, though, or I'll have to ban you from the store".

Actually, you could just save time trolling people by posting threads about how you heard a conversation like that!

I don't want my dark eldar to be updated :[

I love the overdone models and crazy wargear.

Red Shirts are trained, in GW's secret underground lair, to always act out when someone mentions an update. Most of the time, I suspect, it is just to make them look big, even if there is no update at all. If I go into a store and talk about how DA will get an update soon, the same reaction will ensue.

The GW in Cardiff (UK) had a fair selection of DE stuff some time after christmas, couldn't believe it. There were several Raiders, a Talos or two, a Ravager or two and a box of DE warriors and maye some other odds and ends.

Dark Eldar Codex due within 12 months. Story is that they got a complete redo background and modelwise. Jes Goodwin got all the time needed to resculpt the entire range, so no release dates told for a long time. Most is ready now including plastic kits. Many sculpts have been seen and made people enthusiastic about the release, even non-DE players. Design seems close to the rulebook art, with sails on the raiders.

Harry from Warseer wrote:Seems to me if we are nearly ready to roll these out including a number of plastic kits (with long production times) that he must have been pretty steadily knocking these out since soon after he finished the Eldar whilst taking time off to just knock out such classics as the Dark Elf cold one riders and the Khorne Lord on Jugger seemingly Just for fun!

Harry from Warseer wrote:There has been no waffle or ambiguity in any statements I have heard about this project ... in fact they have been more open and up front about the development of this project than almost any other.
When they have said anything at all they have said very clearly what is going on and why. They have said things like: 'We are doing Dark Eldar', "We have asked Jes to have a crack at them', 'The whole range needs attention', 'It is a big project and we are going to give it the time it deserves', 'We are going to give Jes the time he needs to nail them', 'They will be released when they are done' 'This won't be for a while'. (...)
They will not be pushed back, nor will they be late.
They will, much like a wizard, arrive exactly when they are supposed to.
We just don't know exactly when that is yet.
I know it seems like the "DE status quo" but it just seems that way. Things have moved on a bit. I have a fair notion of where they are at with this project and it has gone beyond 'One day, someday sometime, never'. Given where the models and the book is at ... these guys ARE coming sooner rather than later.

Less confirmed is this:

Shadowdeth from Warseer wrote:Dicelikethunder's podcast from the other day stated that the book is done, the models need a 3 month lead (due out in Sept/Oct '10) time and claims they recieved an email from a playtester detailing some of the new rules.

Reavers being able to drag a model away with their chains from a hit and run on a failed save, and then bomb it (strength 4 small blast) on a unit it passes over with it's next 24 inch move - causing them to go to ground if they take a wound.

The Talos being a walker "of sorts", recieving a -3 for glances and a -2 for pens?

A Haemonculi character upgrade dominating run down units (presumably taking control of the unit instead of destroying it), and that the book was deemed too weak and was initially sent back to have it's power upped.

Taken from this extensive thread on the new Dark Eldar Codex:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=246627

Plus this rumour:

axiom from Warseer wrote:I heard last week from an excellent internal source that the following new figures are currently at the moulding room at GW’s manufacturing facility at Lenton. The models are currently being scanned/digitally edited in preparation for tooling, have had / are having the moulds tooled, or first sprues have been produced:

• Eldar Night Spinner (first production sprues). Supposedly this is an add-on sprue to the Falcon kit with a turret similar to the FW kits.
• Re-cut Vyper (mould tooled). Don’t know if the pilot or gunner have been resculpted.
• Dark Eldar Ravager (digital editing). Weaponry very much of Eldar aesthetic, a few spikes and what appears to be a sail similar in fashion to a multi-strutted, slightly spiky Eldar BFG wraithship feel.

Well other models then the released cold ones and juggernaught has Jes done recently?

Keep in mind that he is in charge of the plastic department, so he is busy even without sculpting

Boss 'eadbreaka wrote:After visiting my nearest GW store about a fortnight ago, I noticed that they were having 'a model of the month' painting competition and the model of the month happened to be the Dark Eldar Incubi. To enter, you had to buy a box of Incubis, paint them and enter them in the comp.
Seeing this, I mused to my friend jokingly, 'Maybe they're just trying to get rid of the stuff that's going to be updated'.
However, a red shirt overheard me and asked me how I knew that and not to mention it again or else I would be thrown out of the store.

Are the DE no longer update proof?

only update they're getting is the "Update: They've been eaten by Tyranids. Get over it." update.

A Dark Eldar update has been a long time coming, but it was bound to happen eventually. Rumors that it is now not too far away are all over the place, here too.

Maybe DE are next

Next on the menu for lunch maybe.

BrassScorpion wrote:A Dark Eldar update has been a long time coming, but it was bound to happen eventually. Rumors that it is now not too far away are all over the place, here too.

Ohmygosh, if BOLS said it, it must be true!

Dark Eldar Codex due within 12 months. Story is that they got a complete redo background and modelwise. Jes Goodwin got all the time needed to resculpt the entire range, so no release dates told for a long time. Most is ready now including plastic kits. Many sculpts have been seen and made people enthusiastic about the release, even non-DE players. Design seems close to the rulebook art, with sails on the raiders.

I'll believe it when they're on the advanced orders page.

I'm inclined to believe, simply because if they were going to squat them, they would have done it by now.

TheTrueProtoman wrote:Well what he was really saying is Dark eldar was a code word for a dead hooker. Now when you have a dead hooker you have to get that gak out of the place before it smells and you draw attention. Which painting was another codeword for distraction, combine the two with "Painting the Dark Eldar" and you have yourself one fine hooker clean up crew on its way.

I hafta assume this is gonna involve Harvey Keitel, John Travolta and Samual Jackson scooping up bits of brain and skull from the backseat of an old Chevy Nova...

TheTrueProtoman wrote:Well what he was really saying is Dark eldar was a code word for a dead hooker. Now when you have a dead hooker you have to get that gak out of the place before it smells and you draw attention. Which painting was another codeword for distraction, combine the two with "Painting the Dark Eldar" and you have yourself one fine hooker clean up crew on its way.

In a game store?

Hooker must be codeword for greasy burgers and pizza. Some one dropped their Burger King.

I overheard a wargamer at a GW store state 'my girlfriend blew me' they were right. The Blood Angels codex is happening.

I find it odd that Red Shirts would want people to be quite about things like releases. As my story when asked, if they know, they will be very coy about it for a few weeks then to drum up interest. Then give out little bits here and there to trully stook the fires.
This secert business is just odd to me, they want people to know about what is new and cool around the corner.

Irritation, thy name is Red Shirt.

Farmer wrote:Maybe DE are next

Not before Black Templars, Dark Angles and a new Codex Space Marines I hope they are though!

Ketara wrote:I'm inclined to believe, simply because if they were going to squat them, they would have done it by now.

I don't know about that... Considering all the hate GW received when they dropped the squats I can see them simply not saying anything and never releasing a new codex. Two years ago at Adepticon Phil Kelly said they would eventually get a new codex but it still hasn't happened yet. It's too bad.

Here is a list of races that still need a new codex:

Black Templars
Dark Angels*
Daemon Hunters/Witch Hunters
Necrons
Tau
Eldar*
Dark Eldar

Did I miss any? Dark Eldar are probably the least popular of those listed above. From a purely business perspective POV why release a new codex for the least popular race. I am thinking it will be very interesting to see which race gets the next new codex.

G

sidstyler said it best.

I will believe it when I see in bold letters. "INCOMING DARK ELDAR"

Other then that I won't quit my day job on it.

Ouze wrote:

Khestra the Unbeheld wrote:

Boss 'eadbreaka wrote:
However, a red shirt overheard me and asked me how I knew that and not to mention it again or else I would be thrown out of the store.

Knife him. Discretion is the better part of valor.

Agree with the knifing (but, when don't i?) - but disagree with the discretion. When something's worth doing, it's worth doing while screaming "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!"

Not discretion on the part of the knifer, discretion on the part of the victim. When I'm talking about someone and that someone tells me to shut up and then threatens me over it, it stands to reason they've just defeated the purpose of telling me to shut up, because that's practically confirmed that what I was saying was correct, else there would have been no reaction. If the Red Shirts want tio stifle rumors, threatening to kick people out isn't the solution; keeping their own yaps shut is.

It also means that there wouldn't be anything to get knifed over.

Black Blow Fly wrote:
From a purely business perspective POV why release a new codex for the least popular race. I am thinking it will be very interesting to see which race gets the next new codex.

G

Are they unpopular because they have had very little support and no updated models? Or for another reason?

Logically GW have to always release a new codex for the least popular race, as if they 'squat' them another race will then be the lowest, so eventually they would end up with... only space marines.

Black Blow Fly wrote:From a purely business perspective POV why release a new codex for the least popular race. I am thinking it will be very interesting to see which race gets the next new codex.

Because, if done right (read: by Jes Goodwin), that race have the biggest potential sales - as so few already have them.
The DE has great potential - but the worst line of models ever, GW would be foolish not discontinuing almost every present miniature
(they probably just keep Urien Rakarth, bareheaded Reaver pilots and DE prisoners).

I would definitely start a DE army if it looked right.

It won't give me that sense of 'omg...a white rhino' if I now see Dark Eldar everywhere as opposed to once in a blue moon tournament.

I visited yesterday my LGWS and a redshirt told me that DE would be updated in 2011 in worst case, and that they had big chances to be updated this year.

I answered that I've been reading that for like 4 years.

I don't know how reliable is that guy as a source, but whatever, he said that.

Bloodthirster wrote:

Farmer wrote:Maybe DE are next

Not before Black Templars, Dark Angles and a new Codex Space Marines I hope they are though!

Lol, space marines getting 2 5th edition codexs would be hilarious.

I am sick of seeing the same models over and over, if GW are so worried about sales they may aswell stick a space marine head on the DE models, i'm sure they will sell

Black Blow Fly wrote:

Ketara wrote:I'm inclined to believe, simply because if they were going to squat them, they would have done it by now.

I don't know about that... Considering all the hate GW received when they dropped the squats I can see them simply not saying anything and never releasing a new codex. Two years ago at Adepticon Phil Kelly said they would eventually get a new codex but it still hasn't happened yet. It's too bad.

Here is a list of races that still need a new codex:

Black Templars
Dark Angels*
Daemon Hunters/Witch Hunters
Necrons
Tau
Eldar*
Dark Eldar

Did I miss any? Dark Eldar are probably the least popular of those listed above. From a purely business perspective POV why release a new codex for the least popular race. I am thinking it will be very interesting to see which race gets the next new codex.

G

Lets see why they could be the least popular.

-Incredibly out dated ancient codex. This no doubt scares off anyone considering to purchase a new army.
-Very outdated sculpts.

Give them a new codex , a whole new army line , and we shall see if people still prefer to get another MEQ released before them.

Player "preferences" don't matter. If they did, Dark Angels would have already received a new codex fixing the halfassed job they did the first time.

You know exactly what i meant

These rumours have been floating around for a long time, but I sure do hope to see some Dark Eldar stuff sometime soon, it would be nice. Of course, I can't wait for Necrons to get a new codex!

Sasori wrote:These rumours have been floating around for a long time, but I sure do hope to see some Dark Eldar stuff sometime soon, it would be nice. Of course, I can't wait for Necrons to get a new codex!

I would imagine , they are having issue determining how to present the Dark Eldars.
Would they be just spiky Eldars? the same way Chaos are to Space Marines?
or would they go the more wondering Eldar Pirate route.

Yeah, I suspect your right. The more armies there are, the harder and harder it gets to make them as unique as possible.

I think there going to go the Evil Pirate route, myself.

I approve Eldar Pirates as new Dark Eldar.
I know there are tons of Eldar Exodites conversions , but it would be cool to see them officially made.

Grimstonefire wrote:

Black Blow Fly wrote:
From a purely business perspective POV why release a new codex for the least popular race. I am thinking it will be very interesting to see which race gets the next new codex.

G

Are they unpopular because they have had very little support and no updated models? Or for another reason?

Dark eldar were never popular. They never sold well. Out of the gate they were a fairly unpopular army with very low retention and a poor pickup rate among new players. Sisters of battle had the same issue (hence their redesign) and witch/daemonhunters had the same issue again (Hence the future redesign again). With new artists, new writers, and a new direction in the company and fluff though I think they could do a good job of actually making the army something more threatening than power rangers villains that just escaped from L.A. .


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LunaHound wrote:

Sasori wrote:These rumours have been floating around for a long time, but I sure do hope to see some Dark Eldar stuff sometime soon, it would be nice. Of course, I can't wait for Necrons to get a new codex!

I would imagine , they are having issue determining how to present the Dark Eldars.
Would they be just spiky Eldars? the same way Chaos are to Space Marines?
or would they go the more wondering Eldar Pirate route.

The issue with staying spiky is that it's boring, trite, and simplistic. It works for chaos because each chaos race has flavors and the heresy gave them a significant amount of backstory and history. Chaos as a faction works because it's more than just "Evil" marines that wear "evil" skulls. Dark eldar do not have that. They are just evil, spiky, and kind of stupid looking. Their fluff is pretty hot topic bad, and the S&M themes are done to death (and poorly at that). To be interesting the DE either need a pretty brilliant rewrite, stunning model line, or a total revision in concept. Being rogue eldar who abandoned the path is a lot more interesting than being evil eldar that wear spiky things.

ShumaGorath wrote:
The issue with staying spiky is that it's boring, trite, and simplistic. It works for chaos because each chaos race has flavors and the heresy gave them a significant amount of backstory and history. Chaos as a faction works because it's more than just "Evil" marines that wear "evil" skulls. Dark eldar do not have that. They are just evil, spiky, and kind of stupid looking. Their fluff is pretty hot topic bad, and the S&M themes are done to death (and poorly at that). To be interesting the DE either need a pretty brilliant rewrite, stunning model line, or a total revision in concept. Being rogue eldar who abandoned the path is a lot more interesting than being evil eldar that wear spiky things.

Yes thats why i said

I would imagine , they are having issue determining how to present the Dark Eldars.
Would they be just spiky Eldars? the same way Chaos are to Space Marines?
or would they go the more wondering Eldar Pirate route.

LunaHound wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:
The issue with staying spiky is that it's boring, trite, and simplistic. It works for chaos because each chaos race has flavors and the heresy gave them a significant amount of backstory and history. Chaos as a faction works because it's more than just "Evil" marines that wear "evil" skulls. Dark eldar do not have that. They are just evil, spiky, and kind of stupid looking. Their fluff is pretty hot topic bad, and the S&M themes are done to death (and poorly at that). To be interesting the DE either need a pretty brilliant rewrite, stunning model line, or a total revision in concept. Being rogue eldar who abandoned the path is a lot more interesting than being evil eldar that wear spiky things.

Yes thats why i said

I would imagine , they are having issue determining how to present the Dark Eldars.
Would they be just spiky Eldars? the same way Chaos are to Space Marines?
or would they go the more wondering Eldar Pirate route.

You said what, I explained why.

Yes , but i thought why was obvious o_o
well thanks for going into detail i guess.

LunaHound wrote:Yes , but i thought why was obvious o_o
well thanks for going into detail i guess.

Were it obvious you would never have posted in the first place.

Looks the same to me ^-^

I've never played DE, but what do you guys think would be some neat things to make them, more "Piratey"

I really don't have any ideas myself.

Sasori wrote:I've never played DE, but what do you guys think would be some neat things to make them, more "Piratey"

I really don't have any ideas myself.

I belive that portraying the DE as "a raiding force" pretty much covers the "Piratey" aspects,I'd personaly like to see a combination of "Pirates" and "Cenobites".

Sasori wrote:I've never played DE, but what do you guys think would be some neat things to make them, more "Piratey"

I really don't have any ideas myself.

Eye-patches.

Albatross wrote:

Sasori wrote:I've never played DE, but what do you guys think would be some neat things to make them, more "Piratey"

I really don't have any ideas myself.

Eye-patches.

Spikey Parrots...in leather.

Sasori wrote:I've never played DE, but what do you guys think would be some neat things to make them, more "Piratey"

I really don't have any ideas myself.

Pirates , or Raiders as they are most often referred to.
The original concept of open top lightening fast raid crafts are worth keeping.

One direct concept i would love to see applied , would be Dark Elf Corsairs and what they do.

-Gears like net or chains that takes movement distance away from enemy units that flees. Or been netted takes x number of attacks away etc etc
-I guess they can leave the drugs out and replace them with some chemicals to keep it family friendly

LunaHound wrote:Looks the same to me

Cause and effect look the same to you? Curious.


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Sasori wrote:I've never played DE, but what do you guys think would be some neat things to make them, more "Piratey"

I really don't have any ideas myself.

Nothing like the stupid stereotype of peg legged eye patched net throwing historical pirates. Nothing even close. Make them look cool, make them look eldary and flavorful, and make them make some semblance of sense. I would prefer something crossing a dark assassins guild, gladiator league, and futuristic paramilitary slave raid force. Basically what they have, but with the camp and silliness taken out.

Take the drugs out!? But that completely destroys my entirely drug addicted wych cult!!! The whole point of crazy close combat people is them being drugged up, it makes them seem more fierce and crazy . . . emphasis on the crazy. When you have every model in your army taking drugs then you know you have some crazy S&M close combat on it's way . . . =D

And family friendly doesn't really fit with . . . so my Space Marine has just fired a mass reactive shell into your guardsman . . . he is now a bloody mess on all of his mates . . .

What I find is that the young teenagers who play want all the crazy stuff going on. When I was giving intro games to kids you just put it at a level that suits them, drugs are a part of life, just make sure that you have the personalised drugs so that models can OD from them. Shows that drugs are bad =]

For the record I have never taken any illegal drugs . . . just good old painkillers, alcohol, and caffeine etc for me . . . But getting rid of combat drugs would just completely alter my image of the Wych Cults (my favourite part of the Dark Eldar army) After waiting this long for a codex I would hate for it to be disappointed like BA in WD . . . Serious let down.

Oshova

Take the drugs out!? But that completely destroys my entirely drug addicted wych cult!!! The whole point of crazy close combat people is them being drugged up, it makes them seem more fierce and crazy . . . emphasis on the crazy. When you have every model in your army taking drugs then you know you have some crazy S&M close combat on it's way . . . =D

You should probably prepare to have to rebuy your army. The drugs will be there, but I doubt they'll function in the same fashion.

Cos I wasn't planning on re-buying a lot of my army anyway . . . If it's Jes sculpts then the warriors are being melted down, and I'll buy another 40 or 50 better looking ones =D sadly I can't afford to restart my army, so a lot of the old metal will have to stay, but at least they're half decent . . . Well the Wyches, and Special Characters are anyway . . . =D

Oshova

ShumaGorath wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Looks the same to me

Cause and effect look the same to you? Curious..

Or simply , someone already sees the whole picture and find it pointless to split them up

I'm sorry,but I find the whole idea of "removing drugs" in a game wich is based on genocide,destruction,violence and WAR,to make it "more family friendly" quite amusing.

My point exactly . . . Well one of my points =p

Oshova

LunaHound wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Looks the same to me

Cause and effect look the same to you? Curious..

Or simply , someone already sees the whole picture and find it pointless to split them up

Fascinating. This is so fascinating. This is a fascinating line of conversation. You are a fascinating person.

FITZZ wrote: I'm sorry,but I find the whole idea of "removing drugs" in a game wich is based on genocide,destruction,violence and WAR,to make it "more family friendly" quite amusing.

As amusing as it is , do you have better explanation on the censoring on lots of the later sculpts?

FITZZ wrote: I'm sorry,but I find the whole idea of "removing drugs" in a game wich is based on genocide,destruction,violence and WAR,to make it "more family friendly" quite amusing.

They're getting rid of the boobs. Violence is very kid friendly in modern media. Drugs and sex are not.

ShumaGorath wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Looks the same to me

Cause and effect look the same to you? Curious..

Or simply , someone already sees the whole picture and find it pointless to split them up

Fascinating. This is so fascinating. This is a fascinating line of conversation. You are a fascinating person.

Fascinating? no im just very dumb. Im so dumb that i dont know what you want the last few posts directed towards me.
If you dont mind , can you explain simply to what our "discussion" is about?

Thanks ^^v

Fascinating? no im just very dumb. Im so dumb that i dont know what you want the last few posts directed towards me.
If you dont mind , can you explain simply to what our "discussion" is about?

I'm annoyed that you would delegate and lay claim over the post that I made stating that it was similar to yours despite being actually quite different, though related insofar as it covers the same subject matter. I was being roundabout rather than inflammatory in the way that I did this.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Fascinating? no im just very dumb. Im so dumb that i dont know what you want the last few posts directed towards me.
If you dont mind , can you explain simply to what our "discussion" is about?

I'm annoyed that you would delegate and lay claim over the post that I made stating that it was similar to yours despite being actually quite different, though related insofar as it covers the same subject matter. I was being roundabout rather than inflammatory in the way that I did this.

And here i thanked you for it :3

LunaHound wrote:Yes , but i thought why was obvious o_o
well thanks for going into detail i guess.

So with that cleared up...

As always you're a master of sarcasm.

ShumaGorath wrote:

FITZZ wrote: I'm sorry,but I find the whole idea of "removing drugs" in a game wich is based on genocide,destruction,violence and WAR,to make it "more family friendly" quite amusing.

They're getting rid of the boobs. Violence is very kid friendly in modern media. Drugs and sex are not.

That's true,and also some what amusing as well.

Kid: Hey Mom can I get these?
Mom: What are they Snookums?
Kid: They are Dark Eldar,for Warhammer 40k.
Mom: Hmmm,Dark Eldar..that doesn't sound very pleasent.
Kid: Oh C'mon Mom,they just go on slave raids,murdering hundreds in extreamly brutal fasion,they also tourtre the slaves they take and gain power from eating their souls,also they are quite fond of gladitorial combat and political assasination.
Mom Do they use drugs?
Kid: Absolutely not,in fact Nancy Regan is a Haemonculis,and Tipper Gore is a master Archon.
Mom: Well in that case get three.

You're right Shuma, this is fascinating.

Wait, no it isn't. Take it to PMs?

That's true,and also some what amusing as well.

Kid: Hey Mom can I get these?
Mom: What are they Snookums?
Kid: They are Dark Eldar,for Warhammer 40k.
Mom: Hmmm,Dark Eldar..that doesn't sound very pleasent.
Kid: Oh C'mon Mom,they just go on slave raids,murdering hundreds in extreamly brutal fasion,they also tourtre the slaves they take and gain power from eating their souls,also they are quite fond of gladitorial combat and political assasination.
Momo they use drugs?
Kid: Absolutely not,in fact Nancy Regan is a Haemonculis,and Tipper Gore is a master Archon.
Mom: Well in that case get three.

In Power Rangers they killed literally thousands of aliens. They also had strong anti drug messages, hung out in a juice bar, and were respectful to their elders. No one ever talked about touching butts.

Violence is just a kid thing. 40k's violence is incredibly abstract so the awful things they do in our imaginations are entirely separate from the things pictured or modeled (usually). it gives them a significant leeway in what they present so long as the censorable things they present aren't directly implied in art or models.


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Orkestra wrote:You're right Shuma, this is fascinating.

Wait, no it isn't. Take it to PMs?

Congratulations. You now have zero posts here relating to the subject matter. At least half of mine are.

ShumaGorath wrote:As always you're a master of sarcasm.

I havnt been sarcastic at all. You took the effort of explaining why DE deserves
more than just what GW did to Chaos ( eg: MOAR SPIKES )

We both think they are certainly more deserving , and with enough fluff to back up a
brand new Dark Eldar line. If done right , im sure it could be , they could be very popular army.

So i must ask this , what exactly do you want from me shuma o_o?

So i must ask this , what exactly do you want from me shuma o_o?

Be more clear. Putting "I guess" at the end of a "Thanks" is almost universally sarcastic and dismissive.

ShumaGorath wrote:

So i must ask this , what exactly do you want from me shuma o_o?

Be more clear. Putting "I guess" at the end of a "Thanks" is almost universally sarcastic and dismissive.

What do you want from me? You really should be clear and specific
because like i said many times. Im dumb , and im very certain im probably not a psychic

Actually, I AM going to suggest leaving a lot of what is going on in here OUT.

And really, pestering each other via PM, well, that probably isn't the way to go.

I'm going to suggest the time honored "IGNORE" feature.

Other than that, 'ignore' each other without IGNORING each other.

That, and stay on topic here.

What do you want from me? You really should be clear and specific

I dont think any deletion is necessary , especially without OP's consent .

This thread started perfectly with a VALID discussion between me and sasori to what we think Dark Eldar have the potential to be.

LunaHound wrote:I dont think any deletion is necessary , especially without OP's consent .

This thread started perfectly with a VALID discussion between me and sasori to what we think Dark Eldar have the potential to be.

I stated that posts with no content should be deleted. Not the thread. Do you misread things on purpose?

This reminds me of the OT forum.

* shudders violently *

People have been saying for several years now the DE release is just around the bend. I am wondering why now should be any different. It would certainly be nice but nothing really conclusive has come out other than Jes Goodwin's sculpts which is mentioned in every DE rumor thread.

I think most people are not aware of the true background regarding the DE. they are not pirates, they are the original eldar... Basically a handful of survivors left alive after their homeworld was destroyed during the birth of Slaanesh. The only ones to survive were out on intergalatic party cruises. As such they are poorly armed when compared to the eldar. I think of all the codices written by Jervis this was by far his best. There is only so much you can do with a dying race such as DE. They were never meant to be an equivalent to the eldar. They have a few perks and cool background. That's all they really need and as such from this particular POV I can understand why they still have the same codex. My guess is they will be lucky to ever get a new one. There just isn't that many people who play the army and it's not like the orks who have always had a strong following. That's just the way it is.

G

More DE speculation, less posturing and BS.

-_- i never said i want the thread deleted...

Getting rid of the boobs too!!!? Well might as well sell off the Wyches now then =p

Oshova

Hey mods, get this crap out of the thread? Bickering between members isn't a rumor.

(For for the record, I'm quoted in the initial post as a "source" from Warseer, so I have a more relevant post on this topic than some juvenile trolling, Shuma.)

Oshova wrote:Getting rid of the boobs too!!!? Well might as well sell off the Wyches now then =p

Oshova

Wych boobs are fine i think.
But , sculpts like this one might be reconsidered

HERE BE THE SIGNPOST...er... POST!

ANY Off Topic crap that comes after this post will also come with a PM from a Mod.

And all that implies.

I think most people are not aware of the true background regarding the DE. they are not pirates, they are the original eldar... Basically a handful of survivors left alive after their homeworld was destroyed during the birth of Slaanesh. The only ones to survive were out on intergalatic party cruises.

Weren't they the actual survivors of the calamity? The ones not driven insane or instantly killed on the fringes of eldar space? The exodites survived by moving to far off puritan worlds and the craftworlds survived by leaving in.. Well craftworlds.

As such they are poorly armed when compared to the eldar.

Why not? They are more violent and militaristic than the craftworld eldar, and comorragh is larger than any craftworld.

There is only so much you can do with a dying race such as DE. T

The dark eldar are thriving not dying. They are the dark and successful mirror to the eldar.

They were never meant to be an equivalent to the eldar. They have a few perks and cool background. That's all they really need and as such from this particular POV I can understand why they still have the same codex. My guess is they will be lucky to ever get a new one. There just isn't that many people who play the army and it's not like the orks who have always had a strong following. That's just the way it is.

Any new race has little to no following. They saw fit to bring the tau and necrons down, there's something to be said for filling an empty space in the army roster.

More DE speculation, less posturing and BS.

Post something of content yourself. Please.

Yeah I believe you're right about most (if not all of that). Hopefully with all the time they're taking with the new codex it will have a good amount of fluff in it. Would really like some more back story to what has always been my favourite 40k army. What there is rocks. Loving the way things are described in Nightbringer (The Ultramarines book), and the little stories in the codex. But definitely some more in-depth stuff would be awesome.

Also, I would love to see a book or series of books from a Dark Eldar perspective. I mean the books they're doing at the moment are awesome. But constant Imperium can become quite repetitive. I just started Rynn's World, and some in-depth books like this are really going to open up more information about the armies we play. Looking forward to the rest of the Space Marine Battles novels. And hopefully Black Library will do some more xenos books . . . well books from a xenos perspective. =D

Oshova

Oshova wrote:Yeah I believe you're right about most (if not all of that). Hopefully with all the time they're taking with the new codex it will have a good amount of fluff in it. Would really like some more back story to what has always been my favourite 40k army. What there is rocks. Loving the way things are described in Nightbringer (The Ultramarines book), and the little stories in the codex. But definitely some more in-depth stuff would be awesome.

Also, I would love to see a book or series of books from a Dark Eldar perspective. I mean the books they're doing at the moment are awesome. But constant Imperium can become quite repetitive. I just started Rynn's World, and some in-depth books like this are really going to open up more information about the armies we play. Looking forward to the rest of the Space Marine Battles novels. And hopefully Black Library will do some more xenos books . . . well books from a xenos perspective. =D

Oshova

I continue to want a well written book from the perspective of an ork. All imperium all the time is quite dull.

[On Topic]:

I've been following the Dark Eldar rumors for about 4 years, in my free time and sometimes daily. Checking all the miniature gaming news grabbers and digging through forum, after forum looking for hearsay from Redshirts, developers, playtesters, random posters - not in an effort to find the truth (which few actually know at this point) but to try and find the "shape" or contour of it.

If you listen to enough sources, you can piece together the larger picture. Checking out back posts from sources to verify credibility is another way to sort out the chaff from the solid ones.

From what I understand (redundancy of posts from isolated sources), the book was actually rejected once. The project was started somewhere around 06/07, as in the developers met on the brief and started to plan the codex, background, model/art design.

At multiple Gamesdays, Events, National Tournaments, open days - etc, developers have stated the book is being worked on, with a whole new range of models being designed by Jes. Jes, himself has even given a progress report back in '08 stating that the models were "half-away" done.

From everything I've read, from Harry, to Jervis, to Jes, to Brimstone (RIP), to a few other extremely credible insiders between Warseer, Heresy, Dakka - the project ultimately has not been delayed. The rules, if we are to believe were revised have been in such a way that they obviously wouldn't impact the models in the way of wargear or options. It sounds to me like the book was revised around 08/09 from the frequency of rumors popping up.

I believe the models have been progressing according to schedule (which is a perfectionist snail's pace - as stated by Jes himself) and that any possible delay was more along the lines of the book's winning percentage, and not huge alterations that should have already been cemented (for Jes to make sure the models have the bits they need to perform as their entries say).

Waaagh Gonads, and our own Yakface have both stated they have seen Dark Eldar models. I've seen accounts from Waaagh from this year and Yak from last year.

To me, looking at all the possible information/rumors paints a picture of the project A) Existing, despite what some very adamant and very wrong members seem to think and B) It's coming relatively soon.

Looking at the release schedule for this year, it seems plausible that the DE could occupy an August/Sept/Oct slot due to Gamesday being a very strong vehicle for such large announcements.

It's also plausible that they could be released in '11, so I'm not really getting my hopes up about this year. I haven't heard that Grey Knights or Necrons were close to done at this point, despite what other very adamant rumor sleuths are stating - and I think the other possibility of Dark Angels would conflict with the Xenos/Imperial pattern.

So all those reasons lead me to believe the book (as Harry stated over on WS "wouldn't be suprised...within the next 12 months" is due this year. I suspect in the fall.

While playing Dawn of War, I quite enjoyed the campaign, because you got to see bits of storyline from the different army points of view. I know Imperium sells the best, and GW see xenos as more niche. But if they released a novel with the new codex. Then this would get people interested in that series of books that they bought to find out more about the army they just bought. Also this fits right into the famous GW way of selling things. "Oh you're buying that are you, well in that case you should think about buying . . ."

Oshova

Edit: Spelling mistakes

Okay so let's take a look at what DE have and where they have some room for expansion. They are the glass hammer army with the exception of the Talos. Now if GW were to give them some game breaking rule(s) then that would help them to gain some popularity. The last thing they need is another codex like Tyranids just received, which has already been overshadowed by the still yet to be released Blood Angels codex.

HQ: Archon/Drachite/Wyche Lord
I think they could stand to receive a couple more HQ choices. I can't remember off the top of my head if Heamonculi are HQ or elite. I could easily a special character Wyche Lord that let's you field Wyches as troops but in addition to Warriors. Probably most likely Lelith will be revamped as well. What would be useful for DE as a new HQ? it's not like they need another close combat monster. It would be nice if they had access to a character that let's them redeploy several units and outflank/scout. Heck these abilities could just be simply incorporated into their codex. This would help them a lot.

Troops: Warriors
I think the Warriors are pretty good as is and only need a little sprucing up. DE definitely need a couple more troops choices (besides an option to field wyches as such). Even one more viable troop choice would help but I'm at a loss what it should be.

Elites: Wyches, ???
What I would love to see is the I introduction of Harlequins to DE. it completely fits in with the background. Give them the option to run jetbikes. Wyches definitely need to be reworked as their rules are very much so outdated now. Keep combat drugs for sure though, they still rock.

Heavy Support: Flyguys w. guns, Ravagers
I can't remember the name of the flying heavy support but they need to be able to move and shoot, maybe give them a shorter ranged version of the dark lance that counts as an assault weapon. Ravagers are pretty good as is and if they don't now count as a transport then it should. Also maybe let hte flyguys ride in it.

Other units: Talos, Hellions & Reaver jetbikes
I would like to see the Talos boosted to T8 and be able to move like jump infantry. Hellions could benefit from being able to assault directly from deepstrike. They need a shock unit to throw off armies like mech guard. Reaver jetbikes need to be reworked as well.

Skimmers:
they need something like nightshield built in but just a tad better.

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Defiler wrote:Hey mods, get this crap out of the thread? Bickering between members isn't a rumor.

Seconded.

On topic:
1.) Background is slightly (re)written, even when DE are the only race with almost no background information. No details known.
2.) Dark Eldar currently are not Chaos Eldar. Those were removed from official material since at least 3rd edition (with only one possible exception).
3.) Exodites are not Corsairs. Exodites live on planets and are something like the wood elves of 40k. Some Corsairs are DE though, some ex-craftworlders (e.g. Prince Yriel).
4.) There are a lot of reasons why DE are less popular, a.o. a marketing desaster at the start and now the minimal support by GW and ugly dated miniatures. Has always been an expert army with a steep learning curve.

Okay so let's take a look at what DE have and where they have some room for expansion. They are the glass hammer army with the exception of the Talos. Now if GW were to give them some game breaking rule(s) then that would help them to gain some popularity. The last thing they need is another codex like Tyranids just received, which has already been overshadowed by the still yet to be released Blood Angels codex.

What? The tyranids are one of games workshops best selling armies. They always have been. They don't need broken rules to sell, and they have quite a bit of cheese on their own. You think vanilla marines are packed full of cheese? They're the best selling product games workshop has ever put forth.

HQ: Archon/Drachite/Wyche Lord
I think they could stand to receive a couple more HQ choices. I can't remember off the top of my head if Heamonculi are HQ or elite. I could easily a special character Wyche Lord that let's you field Wyches as troops but in addition to Warriors. Probably most likely Lelith will be revamped as well. What would be useful for DE as a new HQ? it's not like they need another close combat monster. It would be nice if they had access to a character that let's them redeploy several units and outflank/scout. Heck these abilities could just be simply incorporated into their codex. This would help them a lot.

Dark eldar need a tank (archon) a psyker (something new) and a army buff unit (wych lord). Almost every army follows this paradigm. Certain armies mix roles (the farseer being a psychic buffer for instance) or avoid the roles entirely (master of the forge) but this is a paradigm that makes for multiple levels of top down builds. Ideally every army would have a buffer, tank, damage character, and psyker.

Troops: Warriors
I think the Warriors are pretty good as is and only need a little sprucing up. DE definitely need a couple more troops choices (besides an option to field wyches as such). Even one more viable troop choice would help but I'm at a loss what it should be.

Tiers of warriors, aka marines and scouts or guardians and stormguardians would be a good level of meat. Add an eccentric unit (wyches) and a skirmish/assault unit and you have a good troop section.

Elites: Wyches, ???
What I would love to see is the I introduction of Harlequins to DE. it completely fits in with the background. Give them the option to run jetbikes. Wyches definitely need to be reworked as their rules are very much so outdated now. Keep combat drugs for sure though, they still rock.

This section needs a total rewrite to better pertain to the background of commoraugh. I would expect assassins, experiments, and hardcore military units.

Heavy Support: Flyguys w. guns, Ravagers
I can't remember the name of the flying heavy support but they need to be able to move and shoot, maybe give them a shorter ranged version of the dark lance that counts as an assault weapon. Ravagers are pretty good as is and if they don't now count as a transport then it should. Also maybe let hte flyguys ride in it.

I doubt the flying dudes will stay as is. They'll likely become fragile but highly mobile unit with a new assault gun. Similar to immortals but faster and less resilient. Also ravagers, the talos, and some sort of heavy armor option (every army needs one, overall concept of the force be damned, they sell).

Other units: Talos, Hellions & Reaver jetbikes
I would like to see the Talos boosted to T8 and be able to move like jump infantry. Hellions could benefit from being able to assault directly from deepstrike. They need a shock unit to throw off armies like mech guard. Reaver jetbikes need to be reworked as well.

I would prefer the talos be made into a vehicle walker with psychic powers. The model needs to be bigger too.

Skimmers:
they need something like nightshield built in but just a tad better.

The skimmers are pretty good as is.

Here is the actual background to the dark eldar. They are the original eldar. Eldar were basically the hippies who forsaw the coming destruction of their homeworld and built craftworlds so they could move off planet to survive the impending death of their homeworld. Commoraugh is not the homeworld of the eldar. The surviving members of the original eldar moved there to re establish themselves. The vast majority of all eldar were destroyed with the birth of Slaanesh. Their destroyed planet gave rise to the Eye of Terror. Both eldar and dark eldar are a dying race. They once ruled a vast section of the galaxy but slowly succumbed to their hedonistic ways. The dark eldar are the few survivors who were off planet when the disaster occurred. They are few and not thriving by any means. They have very limited technology since most of it was lost during the destruction of their homeworld. As such they are forced to survive operating very much as bands of pirates. You will note there is no army to represent them in either Epic or Battle Fleet Gothic. They have no warmachines as such.

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Black Blow Fly wrote:Here is the actual background to the dark eldar. They are the original eldar. Eldar were basically the hippies who forsaw the coming destruction of their homeworld and built craftworlds so they could move off planet to survive the impending death of their homeworld. Commoraugh is not the homeworld of the eldar. The surviving members of the original eldar moved there to re establish themselves. The vast majority of all eldar were destroyed with the birth of Slaanesh. Their destroyed planet gave rise to the Eye of Terror. Both eldar and dark eldar are a dying race. They once ruled a vast section of the galaxy but slowly succumbed to their hedonistic ways. The dark eldar are the few survivors who were off planet when the disaster occurred. They are few and not thriving by any means. They have very limited technology since most of it was lost during the destruction of their homeworld. As such they are forced to survive operating very much as bands of pirates. You will note there is no army to represent them in either Epic or Battle Fleet Gothic. They have no warmachines as such.

G

You didn't read that book very accurately. Firstly they're all the original eldar. Secondly off planet is meaningless, the eye of terror consumed the heart of the eldar empire which was likely hundreds of thousands to millions of worlds, thirdly they weren't hippies, fourthly the dark eldar population is increasing, fifthly they do not have limited technology and have developed technologically separately from the current incarnation of the eldar, sixthly they have dark eldar battlefleet gothic ships and a dark eldar bfg army, seventhly their piracy is inherent to their economy which trades in souls due to the method they use to vampirically extend their lives, and eighthly the only eldar alive during the fall was asdrubael vect who was a child.



Hi I'm a torture class cruiser. I'm a dark eldar battlefleet gothic ship from the dark eldar battlefleet gothic army.

I meant to say just Epic. Other than that I'm not going to banter with you about minute details.

G

You were the one posting as if you had some kind of authority on Eldar background, now you refuse to "banter" about the things you got wrong?

"Here's how it is. *post*"

"You're wrong."

"Pfft, I don't have time for this!"


Anyway, more on topic I guess...I like what someone posted about the new ravager, saying it looked very "Eldar" in design and had sails similar to Yriel's ships in BFG. I really wish we could get pictures of this crap instead of relying on just hearsay, but I like what I've heard about the new models.

Hopefully it's actually real this time and not more BS, lol.

Well I was lucky enough to be able to speak with an actual developer at a GD several years at length about dark eldar and that's where I learned of their background. So I made a mistake about BFG... go ahead and shoot me if it makes you feel better.

anyways it would be nice to see an actual novel from BL that deals with the dark eldar written by a good writer. That could possibly help them to be a bit more popular. They definitely need a little help.

G

If you're such a stickler for details on the dark eldar (granted, blow fly was way off), why on earth would you recommend dark eldar units getting psychic anything? They'd never ever ever use psychers (at least, according to the current fluff) for fear of attracting Slaanesh.

I know you're looking at trying to get DE in line with other common (and effective) army builds, but I think the route GW will take will be to give the army more options (lots of outflanking, poison attacks, hit and run, etc) and not so much the archtype heros we see in other armies. Special characters will probably give the buff-type abilities you mention (like the original codex had the master haemoculi that had better, but still crappy, grotesques).

Also, is the only purpose of collecting slaves for their souls to extend the DE lifespan? I can't remember specifically what I read, but I could have sworn their was some hint that the souls were somehow released to Slaanesh, and given to her to temporarily feed her hunger so she wouldn't devour the DE. As she is always hungry, the DE are forced for all eternity to keep slave raiding to keep delaying their inevitable destruction.

Grimaldi you've basically repeated all the ideas I posted a bit further up. I do agree with you that DE have no business with psychic powers.

G

If you're such a stickler for details on the dark eldar (granted, blow fly was way off), why on earth would you recommend dark eldar units getting psychic anything? They'd never ever ever use psychers (at least, according to the current fluff) for fear of attracting Slaanesh.

Oddly enough Archons are psykers. They already have psykers in their fluff. All Eldar are psykers. They are a psychic race designed to be living psychic weapons by their psychic masters who never evolve or mutate. They are all psychic.

I know you're looking at trying to get DE in line with other common (and effective) army builds, but I think the route GW will take will be to give the army more options (lots of outflanking, poison attacks, hit and run, etc) and not so much the archtype heros we see in other armies. Special characters will probably give the buff-type abilities you mention (like the original codex had the master haemoculi that had better, but still crappy, grotesques).

Those ideas are not mutually excluive. The archon is already a tank and damage unit with his retinue, the special character are almost all high damage high threat units and there is significant room in the fluff for army buffs to come from the HQ.

Also, is the only purpose of collecting slaves for their souls to extend the DE lifespan? I can't remember specifically what I read, but I could have sworn their was some hint that the souls were somehow released to Slaanesh, and given to her to temporarily feed her hunger so she wouldn't devour the DE. As she is always hungry, the DE are forced for all eternity to keep slave raiding to keep delaying their inevitable destruction.

The dark eldar fluff is rife with contradictions, and that one is at the center of them all. It's similar to the necron fluff in this way. They both devour eachothers souls and the souls of slaves, but they also give those souls to slaanesh. You can't really give the soul of someone that isn't corrupted to slaanesh, it wouldn't want them and the dark eldar method of devouring souls isn't really documented. It was all just an excuse to make them evil and to justify their piracy (as well as needing bodies to experiment on and rape). It's just sort of comically evil for evils sake.



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Black Blow Fly wrote:Grimaldi you've basically repeated all the ideas I posted a bit further up. I do agree with you that DE have no business with psychic powers.

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I don't think you've ever read the codex or anything relating to the race before..

Dark Eldar are coming... It's going to be Dark... And Eldar-y... And And And

Actually, it sounds more like what you said rubbed the Red shirt the wrong way, because what you said made it sound like they were trying to deceive customers. Rather than you uncovering anything to do with a DE update.

So, when DE come out - what will there be left for DD to deny?

H.B.M.C. wrote:So, when DE come out - what will there be left for DD to deny?

-cough-Dogs of War -cough-

H.B.M.C. wrote:So, when DE come out - what will there be left for DD to deny?

He could always just beat the dead horse of overpowered models selling new minis. Its about as hairbrained!

Boss 'eadbreaka wrote:After visiting my nearest GW store about a fortnight ago, I noticed that they were having 'a model of the month' painting competition and the model of the month happened to be the Dark Eldar Incubi. To enter, you had to buy a box of Incubis, paint them and enter them in the comp.
Seeing this, I mused to my friend jokingly, 'Maybe they're just trying to get rid of the stuff that's going to be updated'.
However, a red shirt overheard me and asked me how I knew that and not to mention it again or else I would be thrown out of the store.

Are the DE no longer update proof?

I loled this post. You need to tell that redshirt to pack sand. If they want to start being obtuse over something as trivial as that they not only deserve knifes, they deserve losing some teeth.

The fact that they made you buy them, then to tell you something like that at least should cost them their bottom row, or a good wrap in the chops with a Louisville Slugger.

Grot 6 wrote:

Boss 'eadbreaka wrote:After visiting my nearest GW store about a fortnight ago, I noticed that they were having 'a model of the month' painting competition and the model of the month happened to be the Dark Eldar Incubi. To enter, you had to buy a box of Incubis, paint them and enter them in the comp.
Seeing this, I mused to my friend jokingly, 'Maybe they're just trying to get rid of the stuff that's going to be updated'.
However, a red shirt overheard me and asked me how I knew that and not to mention it again or else I would be thrown out of the store.

Are the DE no longer update proof?

I loled this post. You need to tell that redshirt to pack sand. If they want to start being obtuse over something as trivial as that they not only deserve knifes, they deserve losing some teeth.

The fact that they made you buy them, then to tell you something like that at least should cost them their bottom row, or a good wrap in the chops with a Louisville Slugger.

So, just got your subscription to ITG Monthly?

On Topic: It's a redshirt. Ignore him. DE are still better off squated.

ShumaGorath wrote:He could always just beat the dead horse of overpowered models selling new minis.

Other than the obvious fact that it makes sense from a business perspective to write incentives into your rules to generate greater sales of new products.

But hey, let's not let logic get in the way. Let's cite really stupid examples like "Why aren't Pariahs awesome then!" or assume that GW is flawless and can never ever make mistakes (like Possessed/Spawn) when they're human just like the rest of us and do, will, and have made mistakes (ie. thinking they've written gold when really they've written... something other than gold).

H.B.M.C. wrote: (ie. thinking they've written gold when really they've written... something other than gold).

Pyrite?

They need to come out with dark eldar stuff, then I can hop onto the bring the squats back bandwagon wooo space dwarfs im going to get drunk with my minis woo.

but yeah space dwarfs would rock my boat.

I should really refresh the thread once in a while

apwill4765 wrote:I should really refresh the thread once in a while

I've tried it, but the 2 pages of spam are still there

@Black Blow Fly: You should check the half page of "Slaanesh birth" background (plus Exodites ) in the Eldar Codex and/or the 8 pages ever written on Dark Eldar background. Then you will see that your presentation of the DE background is 50% wrong in major facts, not only details. BTW, let's wait for the first decent Eldar novel in years (Gav Thorpe) and then hope for a good Dark Eldar novel.

ShumaGorath wrote:

If you're such a stickler for details on the dark eldar (granted, blow fly was way off), why on earth would you recommend dark eldar units getting psychic anything? They'd never ever ever use psychers (at least, according to the current fluff) for fear of attracting Slaanesh.

Oddly enough Archons are psykers. They already have psykers in their fluff. All Eldar are psykers. They are a psychic race designed to be living psychic weapons by their psychic masters who never evolve or mutate. They are all psychic.

I'm curious where you have found that Archons are psykers.

From a rules perspective, there is nothing psykic in the entire army. The only thing in the list that mentions psykers is the Crucible of Malediction, and that is something that kills psykers.

I have only read one Black Library book that had DE in it, and that was like 5-6 years ago. I have also read the DE codex fluff, such as there is. I don't recall in either of those locations any mention that Archons are psykers.

Is there anything T8 in any standard codex isnt it reserved for appoc? For some reason I want to think an eldar walker is. I doubt a Talos would hit T8 as you are up to a S4 base to even wound it.

Lorne wrote:Is there anything T8 in any standard codex isnt it reserved for appoc? For some reason I want to think an eldar walker is. I doubt a Talos would hit T8 as you are up to a S4 base to even wound it.

Wraithlords? They were in 3rd anyway...

I'll believe the DE are coming back when I see it.

And I really want to see it.

H.B.M.C. wrote:So, when DE come out - what will there be left for DD to deny?

"When"? We've yet to see any actual proof they are anywhere near production, it's all hearsay based on secondhand accounts of glimpses made over several months or even years. Even if there is work done and there are sculpts finalised there's still plenty of time for GW to pull the plug. All they have to do is decide that the release slot wouldn't be as profitable as say, another Space Marine army, and they'll be axed. It's not too late to cut your losses and cancel production until you've manufactured 100,000 boxes and sent them to the shops. Why is it that there's a Dark Eldar thread here every month claiming that the new codex is only 6 months or a year away?

Many people seem keen to talk up the 'potential' of the DE line even though they've not even seen the purported sculpts and codex, but it's historically been a poorly performing line (due to GW lack of support so the fault is theirs) and that means that a re-release is a gamble in the eyes of executives, another space marine army is a safe bet for stable profit which is what people like to see these days. Even if they do want to make a release they are likely to be continually pushed back for a rainy day instead of given a prime spot for release.

The development work on the Dark Eldar, if it is to be believed, is going at a snail's pace mainly because it's Jes Goodwin on his own. This doesn't strike me as the enthusiastic corporate approach for a serious release, it's more speculative. Which would suggest that the DE have only lingered on in the fashion that they have because, like the support for 'Specialist Games', they're someone's pet project.

I've been a member here for nearly two years and was a lurker a long while before that, and Dark Eldar have always been "coming out next year". If they appear in the next 12 months I'll eat my hat.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

...Which would suggest that the DE have only lingered on in the fashion that they have because, like the support for 'Specialist Games', they're someone's pet project...

Specialist games have support

TBH I find the prospect of getting dark eldar much more plausible than another one of Jervis Johnson's pointless lies about how Specialist Games are 'still important to the company'. Dark Eldar would at this point be a new 40k faction for all intents and purposes. They could be hyped up ridiculously by GW when they finally set a release date and followed by FW producing shiny apocalypse toys (maybe even an IA book if they wanted).

All of this could provide a huge revenue stream for GW. Specialist games, by their nature, are low cost to the customer. GW's attempts to rectify this by bumping up the price of much of the specialist stuff to quite obscene levels (£12 for two epic wave serpents - £20 for one BFG tau cruiser? really?) has achieved nothing but to drain the life out of specialist by making it so unappealing to potential new custom.

I predict DE coming within 12-18 months. I just wish GW would grow a set of balls and decide one way or the other what to do with SG. Either ditch them or support them, but don't leave them in limbo any more...

Just out of interest, what kind of superheavy's do people think the Dark eldar might have?

Why would they support epic when they have the even more expensive units in appoc?

ATM they only have 2 apoc units - void dragon phoenix and the raven, but I could see them getting a superheavy flyer along the lines of the eldar vampire (although hopefully something unique unlike the VD phoenix - did the S&M army really get that by accident? )

As for ground forces, maybe a gargantuan creature (think uber-talos). It would make them significantly different from any other army out there and that's always a good thing

Uber Talos vs Tomb Stalker would be a hell of a thing to see on the table.

Basically DE are an interesting army, because there is so very little fluff about them, beyond that they were the original Eldar, were still the hedonistic ones (most closely resembling the Eldar right before the fall).

So yes, if they ever relaunch DE, its gonna be as a new faction, maybe using some old models. UJntil all of it is replaced by new stuff, since its mostly ugly.

To sum it up. DE suck currently, because the codex doesnt have lots of gimmickslike the 5thed ones, and the models are sub par, as long as they dont receive anything new, theyre practically dead. Playablebut not something that can suprise you as an army.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:So, when DE come out - what will there be left for DD to deny?

"When"? We've yet to see any actual proof they are anywhere near production, it's all hearsay based on secondhand accounts of glimpses made over several months or even years. Even if there is work done and there are sculpts finalised there's still plenty of time for GW to pull the plug. All they have to do is decide that the release slot wouldn't be as profitable as say, another Space Marine army, and they'll be axed. It's not too late to cut your losses and cancel production until you've manufactured 100,000 boxes and sent them to the shops. Why is it that there's a Dark Eldar thread here every month claiming that the new codex is only 6 months or a year away?

Many people seem keen to talk up the 'potential' of the DE line even though they've not even seen the purported sculpts and codex, but it's historically been a poorly performing line (due to GW lack of support so the fault is theirs) and that means that a re-release is a gamble in the eyes of executives, another space marine army is a safe bet for stable profit which is what people like to see these days. Even if they do want to make a release they are likely to be continually pushed back for a rainy day instead of given a prime spot for release.

The development work on the Dark Eldar, if it is to be believed, is going at a snail's pace mainly because it's Jes Goodwin on his own. This doesn't strike me as the enthusiastic corporate approach for a serious release, it's more speculative. Which would suggest that the DE have only lingered on in the fashion that they have because, like the support for 'Specialist Games', they're someone's pet project.

I've been a member here for nearly two years and was a lurker a long while before that, and Dark Eldar have always been "coming out next year". If they appear in the next 12 months I'll eat my hat.

But this whole sentiment is equally as tedious as DE threads with no substance.
"BLAH BLAH BLAH POOR SALES RECORDS. BLAH BLAH BLAH MOAR SPACE MARINES!"
Some of you are so wrapped up in the span of years that DE have been on wishlists, that you're not paying attention to what has changed about these rumors.

Before the recent and currently-circulating DE rumors:
GW never said anything about new DE. You all talk as though they teased and hinted, but actually they really never did. Never a word besides a rare WD article. (Which I personally think was just GW saying "We still recognize DE as part of this universe." in response to rumors about being squatted. But no GW representative of any significance ever said DE are getting a new release. Every rumor about DE was just somebody saying that they hope DE happen soon if not next. GWs moronic secrecy contributed to and helped foster these hopes, which never really had a leg to stand on. They were hopes occasionally peddled as truth and reliable hearsay, but never from GW.

What has changed since those days?
It started at the beginning of 5th Edition when Rick Priestly said in WD342 (July '08), pg37, and I quote directly: "Yes, I think it's about time the Dark Eldar, Space Wolves and a few others had their turn in the spotlight again."
Since then we've heard from Jes Goodwin's own mouth in a podcast saying he's about halfway done with the new DE range, and that was over a year ago. In fact that was around the time Gavin Thorpe said that DE are being redone and are near completion.

My point is that what we hear now is actually from GW. Some people in these forums act like that's no different from the aimless wishlisting that comprised DE rumors 3 years ago, but it is quite different. What we have now is quite similar to what we had 6 months before IG or SWs emerged. Very little. And no pretty pictures. But it was known that they were coming soon.

Gargskull wrote:Just out of interest, what kind of superheavy's do people think the Dark eldar might have?

It would be kind of cool if they extended the 'raider' theme and the 'striking from the warp' theme and had them bring floating chunks of their city in as slow Apocalypes elements.

Lorne wrote:Is there anything T8 in any standard codex isnt it reserved for appoc? For some reason I want to think an eldar walker is. I doubt a Talos would hit T8 as you are up to a S4 base to even wound it.

Talos is T7.

S 4 cannot wound T8.

The Eldar Wraithlord is T8.

I agree...and it makes sense to me...

A long time ago, I got to see some "new Dark Eldar ideas". problem was that someone left the studio, started working for a different company and used a lot of the design elements of the "new idea" on a different company's figures....it really pissed some of the upper management at GW off. (I heard one swear fest tirade myself!- along the lines if I see that little !#$%%, !#%!#$%#$, @!#$%@#$%@#, @#$%#$, XXXX I'll kill him). Now this may have been HIS view of this whole thing, but he was definitely pissed off....


So they had to restart from scratch. and lets face it they were a quick and dirty "new" race for 40k in the first place. Finding a "new" concept for fluff and minis, all while also producing other stuff has probably not been easy. And I am sure that it became a ""Jes"-only type product. I mean, he's been pretty good at this stuff for a while - you know? So it would not surprise me, and with Jes saying stuff about them a year ago, I'd think they were getting close now though (one note, I think Jes may also be a bit of a perfectionist, so he may only be half way through because he still wants to go back and "tweak" stuff....).

But for all of those long suffering DE players, I do hope that they'll FINALLY get their wish, and that they'll like everything that Jes has come up with for them....they are bound to be better than the original plastics form the box set after all....

Tethyr13 wrote:I agree...and it makes sense to me...

A long time ago, I got to see some "new Dark Eldar ideas". problem was that someone left the studio, started working for a different company and used a lot of the design elements of the "new idea" on a different company's figures....it really pissed some of the upper management at GW off. (I heard one swear fest tirade myself!- along the lines if I see that little !#$%%, !#%!#$%#$, @!#$%@#$%@#, @#$%#$, XXXX I'll kill him). Now this may have been HIS view of this whole thing, but he was definitely pissed off....

Source? Also, what company took the ideas? This actually sounds kind of interesting if it's true.

Saldiven wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

If you're such a stickler for details on the dark eldar (granted, blow fly was way off), why on earth would you recommend dark eldar units getting psychic anything? They'd never ever ever use psychers (at least, according to the current fluff) for fear of attracting Slaanesh.

Oddly enough Archons are psykers. They already have psykers in their fluff. All Eldar are psykers. They are a psychic race designed to be living psychic weapons by their psychic masters who never evolve or mutate. They are all psychic.

I'm curious where you have found that Archons are psykers.

From a rules perspective, there is nothing psykic in the entire army. The only thing in the list that mentions psykers is the Crucible of Malediction, and that is something that kills psykers.

I have only read one Black Library book that had DE in it, and that was like 5-6 years ago. I have also read the DE codex fluff, such as there is. I don't recall in either of those locations any mention that Archons are psykers.

I agree with you Saldiven and would like to see Shurmagoth produce some real evidence to this claim of his. It goes against all existing background.

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Saldiven wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

If you're such a stickler for details on the dark eldar (granted, blow fly was way off), why on earth would you recommend dark eldar units getting psychic anything? They'd never ever ever use psychers (at least, according to the current fluff) for fear of attracting Slaanesh.

Oddly enough Archons are psykers. They already have psykers in their fluff. All Eldar are psykers. They are a psychic race designed to be living psychic weapons by their psychic masters who never evolve or mutate. They are all psychic.

I'm curious where you have found that Archons are psykers.

From a rules perspective, there is nothing psykic in the entire army. The only thing in the list that mentions psykers is the Crucible of Malediction, and that is something that kills psykers.

I have only read one Black Library book that had DE in it, and that was like 5-6 years ago. I have also read the DE codex fluff, such as there is. I don't recall in either of those locations any mention that Archons are psykers.

All Eldar are psykers. They are a psychic race. They also don't mutate or evolve, thats pretty well established in several works of fiction. Primarily you see talk of dark eldar psykers out of ancillary works of fiction, and then they aren't particularly powerful. Primarily using the abilities for communication, rather than any battlefield purpose. I don't see why they couldn't use psychic powers, they are hidden in the webway most of the time and the regular eldar don't seem to mind psykering everything up all the time.

Gargskull wrote:Just out of interest, what kind of superheavy's do people think the Dark eldar might have?

Probably flyers.

ShumaGorath wrote:All Eldar are psykers. They are a psychic race. They also don't mutate or evolve, thats pretty well established in several works of fiction. Primarily you see talk of dark eldar psykers out of ancillary works of fiction, and then they aren't particularly powerful. Primarily using the abilities for communication, rather than any battlefield purpose. I don't see why they couldn't use psychic powers, they are hidden in the webway most of the time and the regular eldar don't seem to mind psykering everything up all the time.

While I will admit to not having read all of the various Black Library works that are out there (I have not yet read one that would have won a high school creative writing contest, and so cannot be bothered with reading all of them), any of the books that state that Dark Eldar have psykers among them goes against the fluff in Codex: Dark Eldar.

I can only think of one BL book that features DE as a major part of the story, and I know as a fact that there was never a mention of psykers at any point in that work.

Also, don't make the mistake of thinking Dark Eldar and Eldar are identical. It's immaterial as to whether or not they evolve. If, as much of the fluff shows, the DE went out of their way to destroy psykers as they manifested themselves to protect the race from discovery by Slaneesh, then eventually those with the power to actually manipulate psykic energies would die out.

Saldiven I think Shurmagoth is trolling... as he often does. My advice is ignore him as I am doing.

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Read page 13 of the Eldar Codex (Eldar technology"), then you will understand that the whole Eldar race is latent psionic. Even Dark Eldar use wraithbone vehicles, at least the flyers. Currently DE don't field psionics in the rules, but any discussion on the 3rd edition background is futile, as it will change.

BTW DE are a mobile army, so a superheavy is unfluffy.

Saldiven wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:All Eldar are psykers. They are a psychic race. They also don't mutate or evolve, thats pretty well established in several works of fiction. Primarily you see talk of dark eldar psykers out of ancillary works of fiction, and then they aren't particularly powerful. Primarily using the abilities for communication, rather than any battlefield purpose. I don't see why they couldn't use psychic powers, they are hidden in the webway most of the time and the regular eldar don't seem to mind psykering everything up all the time.

While I will admit to not having read all of the various Black Library works that are out there (I have not yet read one that would have won a high school creative writing contest, and so cannot be bothered with reading all of them), any of the books that state that Dark Eldar have psykers among them goes against the fluff in Codex: Dark Eldar.

I can only think of one BL book that features DE as a major part of the story, and I know as a fact that there was never a mention of psykers at any point in that work.

Also, don't make the mistake of thinking Dark Eldar and Eldar are identical. It's immaterial as to whether or not they evolve. If, as much of the fluff shows, the DE went out of their way to destroy psykers as they manifested themselves to protect the race from discovery by Slaneesh, then eventually those with the power to actually manipulate psykic energies would die out.

Then you're *really* reading the wrong fiction. Cadian Blood, Soul Hunter, Abnett's stuff...all fantastic.

But, the only piece of BL fiction I can think of that features Dark Eldar in any role is from "Tales of Heresy" and is about Space Wolves from the 13th Company fighting a guerilla war against the Dark Eldar on a planet the Dark Eldar use as a hunting/feeding ground ala the Wraith from Stargate: Atlantis or the Predators from the Predator franchise.

LunaHound wrote:

Oshova wrote:Getting rid of the boobs too!!!? Well might as well sell off the Wyches now then =p

Oshova

Wych boobs are fine i think.
But , sculpts like this one might be reconsidered

GAH, MY INNOCENCE, MY INNOCENCE!

I can't remember which book it's in right off the bat, but there's also a short story about an IG Commissar who gets captured by the DE, sent to the gladiatorial arenas, wins and is sent to be tortured, but then escapes and tries to lead a slave revolt.

I think it was either in Dark Imperium or Into the Maelstrom - can't remember which.

There are many pieces of fiction that include the DE. The smurf novel about the Nightbringer has already been mentioned. There is the brief comic featured in the old Inferno entitled The Dead Can Still Serve. There was a short story in the Inferno about dark eldar versus eldar... there are many others, such as Ephrael Stern fighting hte dark eldar in the graphic series Daemonifuge. Not to be a jerk but I find it hilarious how little people know about the DE. I have explained their background as told to me by a developer... hopefully some of you will enjoy that.

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Black Blow Fly wrote:Saldiven I think Shurmagoth is trolling... as he often does. My advice is ignore him as I am doing.

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Excuse me? I'm not the one talking out of my arse and being blatantly wrong after restarting my account post being banned then claiming others are trolling.

Not to be a jerk but I find it hilarious how little people know about the DE. I have explained their background as told to me by a developer... hopefully some of you will enjoy that.

Forgive people for not believing you when you make things up.

I have alerted the mods. This is really getting out of hand now.

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Hey gang, sorry I'm late:

Pssst. Lint - check the front page of the News and Rumors section stickied at the top of the page. It's labeled "Dark Eldar - No new photos" - http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/234173.page

Death By Monkeys wrote:I can't remember which book it's in right off the bat, but there's also a short story about an IG Commissar who gets captured by the DE, sent to the gladiatorial arenas, wins and is sent to be tortured, but then escapes and tries to lead a slave revolt.

I think it was either in Dark Imperium or Into the Maelstrom - can't remember which.

Dark Imperium, "Hellbreak" by Ben Counter.

If we can stop with the general name calling and BS that'd be good too.

Yes, the Eldra as a whole are somewhat psychic, obviously this varies from individual to individual. This includes the Dark Eldar. The Tormemtor helms as used by the Incubi are "thought activated" for example.

That said it seems likely, from what has been doing the rounds and the more recent depictions of the DE -- see Dark Disciple especially here -- that the current scant amounts of DE background will be built opon or changed as/when their new book comes out. We've already seen minor things -- the addition of more than 1 DE city for example --and I think we'll see some more, and very interesting, fluff to do with the Mandrakes especially.

There isn't anything coming out and saying that the Dark Eldar aren't psychic. The Eldar, as a genetically distinct race, are all psychic to some basic degree. Therefore we can logically conclude that until some official contradiction occurs, it is safe to assume that Dark Eldar are also psychic. Now, as to the relative lack of battlefield psykers and such, it would not be unreasonable to assume that since the Dark Eldar are on different "terms" with Slaanesh, any sort of activity that activates, enlarges, or otherwise destabilizes their psychic presence, such as psychic powers, would allow Slaanesh to simply siphon them faster or entirely at once. Obviously, this would be bad, so you don't really see major psyker power use among Dark Eldar. Normal Eldar don't have this problem because 1) they are actively avoiding the thought processes that lead them to such vulnerability and 2) the battle psykers all use Ghosthelms to mask their warp presence.

Death By Monkeys wrote:Pssst. Lint - check the front page of the News and Rumors section stickied at the top of the page. It's labeled "Dark Eldar - No new photos" - http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/234173.page

Did they ever cast any of these up within the studio or did they only ever remain as greens?

This forum is going to go nuts as and when a GW painted pic of a new DE mini is posted.

I think we should all start working on our, "Yeah, that's not bad... what Codex is being released next?" reactions so we don't come across too Warseer.

Sidstyler wrote:I'll believe it when they're on the advanced orders page.

This.
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ShumaGorath wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:So, when DE come out - what will there be left for DD to deny?

He could always just beat the dead horse of overpowered models selling new minis. Its about as hairbrained!

Of course, first, DE need to come out...
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Gitkikka wrote:I'll believe the DE are coming back when I see it.

This, too.
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Howard A Treesong wrote:"When"?

We've yet to see any actual proof they are anywhere near production, it's all hearsay based on secondhand accounts of glimpses made over several months or even years.

Why is it that there's a Dark Eldar thread here every month claiming that the new codex is only 6 months or a year away?

The development work on the Dark Eldar, if it is to be believed, is going at a snail's pace mainly because it's Jes Goodwin on his own.

I've been a member here for nearly two years and was a lurker a long while before that, and Dark Eldar have always been "coming out next year".

If they appear in the next 12 months I'll eat my hat.

Apparently, some people are secretly in possession of actual production / release information that the rest of us haven't seen.

Why? "I want to believe". The power of wishlisting is strong.

And that's why I've been a skeptic over DE coming out merely based on somebody claiming to have heard something from somebody else who can't verify anything.

Perhaps you should have put down a wager with Yakface like I did. I wonder if anybody on the board is man enough to take you up on a wager when you're proven to be right.

There will be one more 40k codex this year...DE or Necrons? hmmm....

reds8n wrote:Dark Imperium, "Hellbreak" by Ben Counter.

Thanks, Red. I figured if Kanluwen didn't know, you would. I'd forgotten it was by Ben Counter.

Death By Monkeys wrote:

reds8n wrote:Dark Imperium, "Hellbreak" by Ben Counter.

Thanks, Red. I figured if Kanluwen didn't know, you would. I'd forgotten it was by Ben Counter.

When did I suddenly become the Encyclopedia Black Library?

Either way, it sounds interesting.

LunaHound wrote:

I'd forgotten about these models, but that'd make a great basis for a Penitent Engine pilot... Thanks!

hey johnHwangdd, If models are seen at uk gamesday this year, but codex isn't released until november, do you win or is it a draw? What about If not all of the models are Jez Goodwin, but just a significant proportion?

Even store staff a joking about this, this is getting humiliating, everyone knows DE have been squated.

Kanluwen wrote:

Death By Monkeys wrote:Thanks, Red. I figured if Kanluwen didn't know, you would. I'd forgotten it was by Ben Counter.

When did I suddenly become the Encyclopedia Black Library?

You just happen to be one of the more well-read members of the forum with a penchant for remembering obscure BL details is all.

Yes obviously they have been squated . . . </> sarcasm

Come on if they had been squated then they wouldn't be on the website, they wouldn't be in the Battle Missions book. So unless you have evidence to show otherwise, just accept that they are still an active army in the eyes of GW.

Oshova

Only problem being, active army for GW; when talking about an army from 3rd ed that is not a can (bring the marine hate ;D); means keeping it as long as it doesnt mean too much work.

Beyond marines, most codices from before 5thEd really ned a rework for different reasons.

DE need one because they dont have alot of choices in their codex, and the competitive army list is really easy to predict. Plus the models mostly suck.

My CSM are only lacking in number of choices for a good list ^^.

Oshova wrote:Yes obviously they have been squated . . . </> sarcasm

Come on if they had been squated then they wouldn't be on the website, they wouldn't be in the Battle Missions book. So unless you have evidence to show otherwise, just accept that they are still an active army in the eyes of GW.

Oshova

Sorry, sorry. I was joking. I know they are going to get an update i'm sure, for all the players that really want one from GW. I just hope it is soon that's all.

As much as I would love to play a bunch of eldar in Capitan Morgan pose flying around on rhino sized speeders with ship sails, Id have to agree with what almost everyone else has said: Ill believe it when its on the advance orders page.

Black Blow Fly wrote:

Ketara wrote:I'm inclined to believe, simply because if they were going to squat them, they would have done it by now.

I don't know about that... Considering all the hate GW received when they dropped the squats I can see them simply not saying anything and never releasing a new codex. Two years ago at Adepticon Phil Kelly said they would eventually get a new codex but it still hasn't happened yet. It's too bad.

Here is a list of races that still need a new codex:

Black Templars
Dark Angels*
Daemon Hunters/Witch Hunters
Necrons
Tau
Eldar*
Dark Eldar

Did I miss any?
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Chaos

Leggy wrote:hey johnHwangdd, If models are seen at uk gamesday this year, but codex isn't released until november, do you win or is it a draw?

What about If not all of the models are Jez Goodwin, but just a significant proportion?

If you go to the first page, when I initially accept Yakface's challenge, he's talking about release, so I think that the (US) release date is what matters, not announcement date.

As Yakface said that Jes was sculpting the models, not "Jes & team", I'm thinking it'd be a push.

Of course, feel free to PM Yakface to get his thoughts.

ceorron wrote:

Oshova wrote:Yes obviously they have been squated . . . </> sarcasm

Come on if they had been squated then they wouldn't be on the website, they wouldn't be in the Battle Missions book. So unless you have evidence to show otherwise, just accept that they are still an active army in the eyes of GW.

Oshova

Sorry, sorry. I was joking. I know they are going to get an update i'm sure, for all the players that really want one from GW. I just hope it is soon that's all.

Much to my friends and my relief, the crons and DE where in the battle missions book. However, Inquisitors where not. This scares me.

Black Blow Fly wrote:Here is the actual background to the dark eldar. They are the original eldar. Eldar were basically the hippies who forsaw the coming destruction of their homeworld and built craftworlds so they could move off planet to survive the impending death of their homeworld. Commoraugh is not the homeworld of the eldar. The surviving members of the original eldar moved there to re establish themselves. The vast majority of all eldar were destroyed with the birth of Slaanesh. Their destroyed planet gave rise to the Eye of Terror. Both eldar and dark eldar are a dying race. They once ruled a vast section of the galaxy but slowly succumbed to their hedonistic ways. The dark eldar are the few survivors who were off planet when the disaster occurred. They are few and not thriving by any means. They have very limited technology since most of it was lost during the destruction of their homeworld. As such they are forced to survive operating very much as bands of pirates. You will note there is no army to represent them in either Epic or Battle Fleet Gothic. They have no warmachines as such.
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Okay, some detailed corrections:
1.) "Original Eldar": All Eldar fractions (craftworld, Exodites, Corsairs) existed already pre-fall and are in a sense original, the Dark Eldar society has the closest resemblance to the hedonistic pre-fall main culture, although with very important modifications.
2.) Hippies: The first wave of departing Eldar were the Exodites, who chose to colonise far away maiden worlds, prefering the simple life there to the hedonistic life back home. The second wave of departing Eldar were the Craftworld Eldar. Most Craftworld Eldar didn't forsee the fall, they departed earlier because they didn't like the hedonistic (hippie like ) society. They had to depart quite early as the area of destruction was huge. Most craftworlds were destroyed.
3.) Homeworld: There was not just one Eldar homeworld, but hundreds of them. Plus uncolonised and colonised maiden worlds. Most homeworks were destroyed, the rest turned into crone worlds. Many distant maiden worlds survived, colonised by Exodites or not. The webway was also unaffected. Some Eldar managed to flee into the webway just before the fall. Azdrubal Vect claims to be the founder of the city (not planet) Commorragh (not Commoraugh) which seems to be a construct.
4.) Eye of Terror: The area of destruction is a thousand light years in diameter, centered around the heart of the Empire, but not a single planet. All Eldar in that area were instantly killed (no survivors to flee!). As said, Exodites, a few craftworlders, Halrequins and Corsairs survived, not just Dark Eldar. The exact way, how DE fled, was not revealed in published background BTW.
5.) Technology: DE share some technology with craftworlders (antigrav jetbikes and some fliers), but have also developed their own stuff, including shadow lances that shoot "black matter", something that no other race seems to have mastered. They have (BFG) ships, but these only fit the largest webways. For slave hunts, smaller vehicles and hit-and-run tactics are more appropriate.
6.) Eldar souls contain high psionic energies (Eldar Codex p14). The basis of all Eldar technology is psionics (the race includes all fractions: craftworlders, corsairs, Exodites, Dark Eldar, Harlequins). The material of choice are psychoplastines, that is material formed by psyonic forces each Eldar owns, wraithbone being the most prominent of these materials (see page 13 Codex Eldar).

So much for a corrected version of "the actual background", as can be read in the Codices of Eldar and Dark Eldar. Be aware that the background will be rewritten and maybe changed with the new DE Codex. BL and FW seem to be on hold to produce new stuff for DE before that release.

olympia wrote:There will be one more 40k codex this year...DE or Necrons? hmmm....

The Italian GW event manager confirmed that the next Codex is Grey Knights.

John , so basically the bet / wager is:

Will new DE be released in 2010? ( not confirmation , not advanced order ) a pure an simple "will the new DE be out to the stores
available to us customers within 2010"right?

@ Kroothawk

Thanks for your post. It's appreciated and helps clarify better what I said. What I was told is that the dark eldar that survived were those that were off planet(s) and far away when the great fall occurred. Basically they were on party cruises. The dark eldar are thought of as the last of the original eldar since others like Exodites and Craftworlders came about later. So the dark eldar represent what was the mainstream eldar society prior to the great fall. We know that they at one time had their aspect warriors and it is commonly believed that the former leader of the Striking Scorpions split off with the dark eldar to create the Incubi.

While dark eldar and eldar are enemies there is a Black Library novel that was released a few years ago that revealed one craftworld had been infiltrated by the dark eldar and the ruling members of this craftworld had secretly succumbed to Slaanesh. There was also a short story in the old Inferno magazine that revealed the dark eldar had managed to penetrate the eldar matrix where the souls of dead eldar taken from their gemstones are stored (can't remember the correct terminology).

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Too bad that BL novel was "Warrior Coven" by CS.Goto who has no clue about Eldar and Dark Eldar.
The affected craftworld in that novel was none less than Ulthwé including Eldrad, but according to Goto, every second Eldar and Dark Eldar has nothing better to do than worship Slaanesh (including Lilith and all Dark Eldar of said novel). As said, he has not the slightest clue about Eldar. Thank God, Gav Thorpe is releasing a new Eldar triology this summer.

The dark eldar are thought of as the last of the original eldar since others like Exodites and Craftworlders came about later.

Later than what? The exodites and craftworlds were around before the fall.


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Kroothawk wrote:Too bad that BL novel was "Warrior Coven" by CS.Goto who has no clue about Eldar and Dark Eldar.
The affected craftworld in that novel was none less than Ulthwé including Eldrad, but according to Goto, every second Eldar and Dark Eldar has nothing better to do than worship Slaanesh (including Lilith and all Dark Eldar of said novel). As said, he has not the slightest clue about Eldar. Thank God, Gav Thorpe is releasing a new Eldar triology this summer.

Wait... His secret source has been C.S. Goto this entire time? No wonder he has no idea what he's talking about.

LunaHound wrote:John , so basically the bet / wager is:

Will new DE be released in 2010?

( not confirmation , not advanced order ) a pure an simple "will the new DE be out to the stores
available to us customers within 2010"right?

More or less, although the timeline doesn't go all the way to 12/31/2010. The wager (proposed on 10/10/2008) was whether a Dark Eldar Codex would / wouldn't be released within 2 years (10/10/2010), written by Phil Kelly & new models sculpted by Jes Goodwin.

You can check the link in this thread, or in my user profile.

The Italian GW event manager confirmed that the next Codex is Grey Knights.

Codex: Grey Knights or Codex: Daemonhunters/Ordo Malleus? There's a distinction. They could do Codex: GK, Codex: SoB, and still have a separate Codex:Inquisition if they really wanted to...

JohnHwangDD wrote:Perhaps you should have put down a wager with Yakface like I did. I wonder if anybody on the board is man enough to take you up on a wager when you're proven to be right.

Well you're on to get a dollar because there's no way on earth DE will be out by October.

Ostrakon wrote:

The Italian GW event manager confirmed that the next Codex is Grey Knights.

Codex: Grey Knights or Codex: Daemonhunters/Ordo Malleus? There's a distinction. They could do Codex: GK, Codex: SoB, and still have a separate Codex:Inquisition if they really wanted to...

I haven't read the confirmation myself, but AFAIK it was Grey Knights pure . A mail order man said Inquisition, but my bet is on a Grey Knight Codex without Inquisition and Sororitas, but with a Storm Raven model, maybe anti-grav bikes and other stuff.

Kroothawk wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:

The Italian GW event manager confirmed that the next Codex is Grey Knights.

Codex: Grey Knights or Codex: Daemonhunters/Ordo Malleus? There's a distinction. They could do Codex: GK, Codex: SoB, and still have a separate Codex:Inquisition if they really wanted to...

I haven't read the confirmation myself, but AFAIK it was Grey Knights pure . A mail order man said Inquisition, but my bet is on a Grey Knight Codex without Inquisition and Sororitas, but with a Storm Raven model, maybe anti-grav bikes and other stuff.

Anti-grav bikes would be nice, but I thought that the fluff has now relegated them to being pre-heresy, the Master of the Ravenwing is a highly unusual exception. Though GW could easily retcon that.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:

The Italian GW event manager confirmed that the next Codex is Grey Knights.

Codex: Grey Knights or Codex: Daemonhunters/Ordo Malleus? There's a distinction. They could do Codex: GK, Codex: SoB, and still have a separate Codex:Inquisition if they really wanted to...

I haven't read the confirmation myself, but AFAIK it was Grey Knights pure . A mail order man said Inquisition, but my bet is on a Grey Knight Codex without Inquisition and Sororitas, but with a Storm Raven model, maybe anti-grav bikes and other stuff.

Anti-grav bikes would be nice, but I thought that the fluff has now relegated them to being pre-heresy, the Master of the Ravenwing is a highly unusual exception. Though GW could easily retcon that.

Adeptus Custodes have jetbikes, don't they?


Or have these been retconned out of existence? That'd be a shame because they are pretty awesome and would perfectly fit with the GK theme of being, well, Knights. Space Knights with Space Horses (jetbikes).

I have an old Chaplain on a Jetbike . . . It's so small, but looks cool. Would love to have some GK on jetbikes.

Also someone down the local GW has made a pre-heresy army, they made jetbikes out of the normal SM bike models. Very nice.

But sadly the fluff says that the only surviving one belongs to Sammael. =[

Oshova

So they'll just change it, or come up with a new model/something similar. They have just created this stormraven thing out of nowhere and said it's an old stc template that the imperium found down the back of the sofa. They'll add whatever the hell they want to sell.

Anywyas, I seem to recall this thread being about dark eldar...

Kroothawk wrote:.....Most homeworks were destroyed, the rest turned into crone worlds....

Most homeworks were destroyed eah.. Must have been bad.

Talking seriously for a while.

I think in the new DE codex, whenever that should arrive, there should most deffinitely be harlequins it just works on many levels and are a requirement in my opinion.

For the release of the new codexs, this is how I think it should go:

Dark Eldar
Tau
Necrons
Daemon Hunters
Eldar
Witch Hunters
Chaos
Dark Angels
Black Templars

This is how I think it will go:

Daemon Hunters
Tau
Necrons
Eldar
Black Templars
Witch Hunters
Dark Eldar
Chaos
Dark Angels

Any other suggestions

As you will note I'm doubting that Deamon Hunters and Witch Hunters are rolled into one codex.

From what I've pieced together, the estimated release order of new codexes is:

Dark eldar
Grey Knights (DH)
Necrons

after that it's a complete mystery, Tau have supposedly been started but not long ago so they could follow another imperial release which could either be Black Templars, Dark Angels or maybe Sisters of Battle.

Dark Eldar + Tau + Necrons back to back? I don't think GW has ever released three xenos codices in a row, much less when two of these are high risk investments.
Tau + Necrons + Eldar is like above, three xenos codices in a row.
Considering the current rumors this seems more likely...

Dark Eldar
Grey Knights
Necrons
Anything beyond is pure speculation

I imagine that Games Workshop will want to wrap up the chapter marines in short order, so just sprinkle DA and BT in-between future releases.

Edit: Soundly beaten by Gargskull

Here are a few rumors I heard regarding their new rules:

*Reaver jet bikes can drag a model away with their chains from a hit and run on a failed save, and then bomb it (strength 4 small blast) back on a unit it passes over with it's next 24 inch move - causing them to go to ground if they take a wound.

*The Talos being a walker "of sorts", recieving a -3 for glances and a -2 for pens?

*A Haemonculi character upgrade dominating run down units (presumably taking control of the unit instead of destroying it)


G

@Black Blow Fly: So you've finally read my post on the first page then

Don't disclose my source please.

G

Howard A Treesong wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Perhaps you should have put down a wager with Yakface like I did. I wonder if anybody on the board is man enough to take you up on a wager when you're proven to be right.

Well you're on to get a dollar because there's no way on earth DE will be out by October.

With GW's new 2-month release windows, we won't able know for sure until August. Technically, there's enough time for DE to appear - we're not even into summer yet!

TBH, considering how Yakface was pretty adamant at the time, I figured I could be paying out Q1 2009. Ha!

I bet this time they will really finally release the codex. Its awesome.

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Kroothawk wrote:@Black Blow Fly: So you've finally read my post on the first page then

I love it. A quote of my second hand write up of some of a third-hand's podcast, on another forum.

Breaking news!

Spotted! Dark Eldar at the studio!

OMG read on another forum that there was a link on another form to dakka that had a picture of the new dark eldar. I can not believe I found it!!!!!! I am so in the loop.

Wait...what's that on the screen in the background?

Albatross wrote:Wait...what's that on the screen in the background?

Dark Eldar Raider / codex

LunaHound wrote:

Albatross wrote:Wait...what's that on the screen in the background?

Dark Eldar Raider / codex

How the hell can you see it?, that pic is so farrrrrrrrrr away T_T.

Edit: Oh shuck it is DE thank god, these 5 years without a dex might finally end.

Farmer wrote:Edit: Oh shuck it is DE thank god, these 5 years without a dex might finally end.

Yeah, the 5 years since 1998 felt like 12 years to me (or 7 if you count the 2003 reprint)

uh..wow. To whoever made that out. I got 20/15 vision and if it weren't for the input I would have never spotted that at all.

That looks like a piece of older art of Commoragh thats been around for a while photoshopped in with Dark Eldar added in blurry letters. The fact that it needs to be blurry in the pic probably helps to conceal any photoshopaddry.

Woah! I thought it was the Lizardmen Army Book! Thank you, now I can scare the hell out of red-shirts. Oh and that horrid Wych model back a page or so, it is the worst repaint ever.

Tim the Biovore wrote:Woah! I thought it was the Lizardmen Army Book! Thank you, now I can scare the hell out of red-shirts. Oh and that horrid Wych model back a page or so, it is the worst repaint ever.

That's not just a witch, that's Kruellagh The Vile! Clever clever, GW!

That's just a photoshopped image though. It's pretty obviously reused art. Cleverly done, but not particularly well executed.

I can't really make it out, even with excessive photoshopping.

I guess it's possible it's "Dark Eldar"?

The colors look right.

Yeah, thanks Brother SRM, I forgot her name. I think I should say it now, but I love that picture. Just seeing a guy waving to a camera with an evil xenos in the frame makes me crack up.

And now that image looks quite Photoshopped to me. Look at the disturbance around the chair. It matches the background of the thing behing the Codex. So unless Codices are meant to have a half circle cut out from the bottom, that must be shopped.

Defiler wrote:I can't really make it out, even with excessive photoshopping.

I guess it's possible it's "Dark Eldar"?

The colors look right.

typical ;-; i'm crying behind my keyboard nao.

Black Blow Fly wrote:@ Kroothawk

Thanks for your post. It's appreciated and helps clarify better what I said. What I was told is that the dark eldar that survived were those that were off planet(s) and far away when the great fall occurred. Basically they were on party cruises. The dark eldar are thought of as the last of the original eldar since others like Exodites and Craftworlders came about later. So the dark eldar represent what was the mainstream eldar society prior to the great fall. We know that they at one time had their aspect warriors and it is commonly believed that the former leader of the Striking Scorpions split off with the dark eldar to create the Incubi.

While dark eldar and eldar are enemies there is a Black Library novel that was released a few years ago that revealed one craftworld had been infiltrated by the dark eldar and the ruling members of this craftworld had secretly succumbed to Slaanesh. There was also a short story in the old Inferno magazine that revealed the dark eldar had managed to penetrate the eldar matrix where the souls of dead eldar taken from their gemstones are stored (can't remember the correct terminology).

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Infinity circuit?

puma713 wrote:

Black Blow Fly wrote:@ Kroothawk

Thanks for your post. It's appreciated and helps clarify better what I said. What I was told is that the dark eldar that survived were those that were off planet(s) and far away when the great fall occurred. Basically they were on party cruises. The dark eldar are thought of as the last of the original eldar since others like Exodites and Craftworlders came about later. So the dark eldar represent what was the mainstream eldar society prior to the great fall. We know that they at one time had their aspect warriors and it is commonly believed that the former leader of the Striking Scorpions split off with the dark eldar to create the Incubi.

While dark eldar and eldar are enemies there is a Black Library novel that was released a few years ago that revealed one craftworld had been infiltrated by the dark eldar and the ruling members of this craftworld had secretly succumbed to Slaanesh. There was also a short story in the old Inferno magazine that revealed the dark eldar had managed to penetrate the eldar matrix where the souls of dead eldar taken from their gemstones are stored (can't remember the correct terminology).

G

Infinity circuit?

I believe he is talking about two novels;

The Deathwatch novel, Warrior Covenant (?) and C.S. Goto's Prophecy.

In Warrior Covenant, Ulthwe' appeared to have some deal with Lelith Hesperax, allowing slave raids to assist in the DE summoning a Slaanesh Greater Daemon of some sort. They used the Covenant of Isha, a pact with the Inquisition under Eldrad's adminsitrations (though possibly not Eldrad as the book alludes that this what the characters perceived) to lure Deathwatch members into the DE trap.

In Prophecy, a Craftworld near the Maelstrom just recovered from an internal civil-war among noble houses and it appears they have suffered under the influence of Slaanesh, thus prompting another internal conflict.

From what I've read so far about the DE (and I play them as well), they are the original eldar of the Fall. However, the Craftworlds were those eldar that wanted to escape the predations of their debauched kin, seeing their home empire morally implode, degrading every time they would come home. The Crafworld ships were built and developed for exploration among the galaxy and seeding maiden worlds. The Exodites were the ones that chose to stay on maiden worlds, living a more isolated, primitive life away from the home-empire, kind of like a monastic life cycle for them.

The Crone worlds were those eldar maiden worlds that were caught in the Eye of Terror once the birth of Slaanesh erupted; however, there's not much on these worlds other than some stories reporting 'chaos-eldar' and the like habiting on them, somehow surviving the psychic backlash. However, there are reports of eldar falling to chaos post-fall era, such as Ahra, the Father of the Striking Scorpions Aspect Temple, in which Karandhras takes over.

Anyway, this is just the available fluff I've read on about since circa '94, though some things have been retconned due to codex releases like when DE came out out in '98 which gave us kind of a clearer picture of what the eldar's background is really about.

That pic must be a shop.. My avatar will never be wrong.

Defiler wrote:I can't really make it out, even with excessive photoshopping.

I guess it's possible it's "Dark Eldar"?

The colors look right.

It's a colorized version of the picture on p.175 of the BBB shopped into a GW studio pic.

I guess April Fool's Day ain't over yet...

Defiler wrote:I can't really make it out, even with excessive photoshopping.

I guess it's possible it's "Dark Eldar"?

The colors look right.

Well, I hope for DE players that this isn't a shop, but something about the way the chair/screen border looks is funky to me.

Defiler wrote:I can't really make it out, even with excessive photoshopping.

I guess it's possible it's "Dark Eldar"?

The colors look right.

I swear you guys its real!

Says the Graeme Garden Bigfoot.

Bigfoot will protect your Human Horn(aka. the Wing Dang Doodle), though.

Defiler wrote:I can't really make it out, even with excessive photoshopping.

I guess it's possible it's "Dark Eldar"?

The colors look right.

What makes me feel that is isnt real

1) looks like to many letter for Dark Eldar (unless they are renaming them or it isnt in english)

@) and this is the biggy to me, the vertical edge of the codex is not parallel with the edge of the monitor, it is much farther away from the top edge than the bottom.

Well that's one clever hoax if it is one. I don't recognise it as the pic from the rulebook and there are enough letters for Dark Eldar (though would have expected thinner writing). Two things make me pause though...

1. The writing for "Dark Eldar" is a short thick font, not very Dark Eldary.

2. There are no discernable Dark Eldar in the pic. It just looks like space and black stuff.

You guys, that image is obviously photoshopped... I mean come on. The Greater Good is preparing for another expansion and we're due next.... so it can't be Dark Eldar next! *foams at the mouth* OR RED SHIRTS WILL DIE! *twitch*

You can even see Photoshop opened behind the pic, shame though...

@ defiler.

It looks more like the Space Wolves codex

Flashman wrote:The writing for "Dark Eldar" is a short thick font, not very Dark Eldary.

Except, of course, that all codices use exactly the same font for their titles.


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Also, who are the guys in the photo? I don't recognise any of them.

cerebaton wrote:Also, who are the guys in the photo? I don't recognise any of them.

If it is the publishing department of GW, there's no reason we would recognise them as they wouldn't be games designers.

cerebaton wrote:

Flashman wrote:The writing for "Dark Eldar" is a short thick font, not very Dark Eldary.

Except, of course, that all codices use exactly the same font for their titles.

Right you are. It's been since 3rd Edition that armies got their own stylized font on their codex. Even the revised DE codex was written in squat, white letters... I didn't mean to say 'DE codex' and 'squat' in the same sentence...

FITZZ wrote:
Kid: Hey Mom can I get these?
Mom: What are they Snookums?
Kid: They are Dark Eldar,for Warhammer 40k.
Mom: Hmmm,Dark Eldar..that doesn't sound very pleasent.
Kid: Oh C'mon Mom,they just go on slave raids,murdering hundreds in extreamly brutal fasion,they also tourtre the slaves they take and gain power from eating their souls,also they are quite fond of gladitorial combat and political assasination.
Mom Do they use drugs?
Kid: Absolutely not,in fact Nancy Regan is a Haemonculis,and Tipper Gore is a master Archon.
Mom: Well in that case get three.

or how about:
Kid: hey mom, can i get these?
Mom: What are they Snookums?
kid: they are space marines! they work for a dead guy, who thinks aliens and weird people are evil, and they destroy thousands of people cause one guy looked funny, oh and they also murder people in brutal fashion, torturing survivors for information on where to find more, then employ politcal assasination to stop the weird guys boss.
mom: do they use drugs?
kid: not really...they just subject new guys to mutation and mind control and genetic re engineering
mom: well in that case.... go buy some dark eldar...they are cheaper.

Mom: Do they do drugs?
Kid: Of course they do, they are so modern.

Looks like the same image.

Now, to be fair - when I blew up the original, I applied about 10 sharpen filters, messed around with the contrast/brightness and then despeckled it.

It's very possible I could have distorted the line around chair, or it could honestly be a visual artefact produced from glare/my efforts/any number of things.

Looking at the consistent quality of the original, I don't think the image on the computer was blurred. I also don't believe it's been 'shoop'd.


Edit - Disclaimer : I'm an amateur visual manipulator. I don't profess to have professional experience, and this is merely my opinion based on the experience I do have.

Looks like a shop. The monitor is skewed, the cover is just rotated a little. Edges of the codex aren't parallel with the edges of the monitor.

Meh.

To me, it looks more like the Gateway to Commorragh (sp?) in the hardcover rulebook.

faeslayer wrote:Looks like a shop. The monitor is skewed, the cover is just rotated a little. Edges of the codex aren't parallel with the edges of the monitor.

Meh.

Exactly what I thought. Fake. It's just pasted on, its not running in an app window or anything.

The title text isn't centre aligned either. What a fail.

Lorek wrote:To me, it looks more like the Gateway to Commorragh (sp?) in the hardcover rulebook.

Most definitely not. There are no circular shapes in that pic as can be seen in the top left of the image here. I think defiler has called it correctly, but whether they are using an existing pic for the Codex cover (pretty much unprecedented) or this is all just a clever hoax remains to be seen.

There have never been any Dark Eldar. The models on sale have always just been High Elves where the moulds did not fill correctly. Instead of throwing them away GW tried to save money by selling them to 40K players. The fact that the original release of the Dark Eldar was on the 1st of April 1998 should have given it all away.

Or perhaps waiting is the only thing you can do if you want a new Dark Eldar Codex.

Defiler wrote:Looks like the same image.

Now, to be fair - when I blew up the original, I applied about 10 sharpen filters, messed around with the contrast/brightness and then despeckled it.

It's very possible I could have distorted the line around chair, or it could honestly be a visual artefact produced from glare/my efforts/any number of things.

Looking at the consistent quality of the original, I don't think the image on the computer was blurred. I also don't believe it's been 'shoop'd.


Edit - Disclaimer : I'm an amateur visual manipulator. I don't profess to have professional experience, and this is merely my opinion based on the experience I do have.

I am a professional media artist (I call myself a web developer, but my job actually entails a ton more than simple web development – including digital image manipulation).

The image looks authentic to me and does appear to be a color version of the black and white image we're all familiar with. If you look at the original unsharpened image you can see the guy is working on a dual monitor setup. You can see a large purplish-black image on the left monitor (possibly inside cover art or background image for the back side of the codex which is often nothing spectacular) and a tiny grey toolbox directly to the right of the speculated “Codex Dark Eldar” cover art. The guy may be working on a Macintosh (not at ALL unheard of in graphic design circles) which runs Photoshop as basically nothing more than a set of tools directly on the desktop which may be why it doesn’t appear to be open within an application on the monitor.

I could go on and on as to the details which lead me to believe it’s authentic but I will leave it at that. Either it’s real or an extremely well done fake.

I will also add as a side note that you did an extremely good job of cleaning up that image. You could definitely turn those amateur skills into a profession if you had the inclination to learn either web development or desktop publishing software.



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Nicorex wrote:
What makes me feel that is isnt real

1) looks like to many letter for Dark Eldar (unless they are renaming them or it isnt in english)

This is an excellent point but it isn’t “Dark Eldar” it’s “Codex Dark Eldar” in Arial Black font with about a ~138% horizontal scale and ~100 tracking (space between letters).

Nicorex wrote:@) and this is the biggy to me, the vertical edge of the codex is not parallel with the edge of the monitor, it is much farther away from the top edge than the bottom.

This is also a good point I believe what you’re referring to is an issue caused by how the .jpg file interpreted the pixels (.jpg files are never spectacular quality) – kinda bleading together some pixels of the black image behind the codex cover and the black edge of the monitor while simultaneously trying to clearly define the edge of the monitor, grayish-blue background behind the bottom of the cover, and the cover and really only having about 4 pixels to do it.

I will point out that if it was a hoax, it is INCREDIBLY easy to create the parallel alignment that you’re talking about within Photoshop… and anyone with even a basic knowledge of image manipulation would know how to do this.

I would very much like to know the origin of the image.

Bloodhorror wrote:@ defiler.

It looks more like the Space Wolves codex

That was my initial thought too.

It may or may not be Codex Dark Eldar though the comparisons being made sure do look promising. However, it's definitely not Codex Space Wolves after one glance at that book cover. Comparisons to the Dark Eldar artwork are much closer matches than to the Space Wolves book cover.

I'm not going to comment on whether it's fake or not, but I think it's hilarious that GW has created a scenario within it's own fanbase that most of us assume that it's a fake. That's an awesome level of customer relations.

One thing no one's mentioned is that GW could very easily have had a cover for the Dark Eldar Codex mocked up for years - we know they've been working on the rules for a while - so even if this image is real (which I believe it is), it's not necessarily an indication that C: DE is on its way :(

Also, how old is this photo? Where did it come from?

Skarboy wrote:I'm not going to comment on whether it's fake or not, but I think it's hilarious that GW has created a scenario within it's own fanbase that most of us assume that it's a fake. That's an awesome level of customer relations.

Customer relations?

My skepticism of any rumor is a result of GW's fanbase itself.

Another one posted in the BOLS comments:



The closer it gets, the faker it looks IMO!

@ incarna - Thank you. The reason I explained myself was I didn't want to mis-represent my opinion. I agree with you, either it's an *extremely* well done hoax, or 100% genuine.

I seen GWS's photoshopping jobs in other similar types of blacked out photos, and this one doesn't look like a simple "select area - blur" job, which is what I assume some of the people in the thread think.

And ohhhh, another photo. I'll post my next analysis and hopefully you can get back to the thread on it.

The mountain dew in that last pic is obviously shopped...completely wrong color.

narchy wrote:Another one posted in the BOLS comments:



The closer it gets, the faker it looks IMO!

Well I can’t comment on this images authenticity in any way other than the Dark Eldar codex cover image looks like it’s the same as the one in the other photograph, I will say that THIS image seems staged.

First, I’ve known a lot of designers and none every kept their desk that clean. That’s certainly not a smoking gun – just an observation. I don’t recognize the windows open on the monitor so it may not be a designer, could be a web developer whose getting ready to upload the image to the GW website. Web developers don’t keep their desk very clean either usually, but that’s neither here not there. It just makes me question whether someone ACTUALLY works at that desk or not.

Next, who’s taking the photograph? If it’s someone who works in the office, why is he bothering to take a photograph of some small image in the bottom corner of a monitor for five feet away? Why not just maximize that image and snap the shot. Same logic follows if it’s the actual guy who works at that computer.

Duno – seems staged. Headphones neatly tucked away. A couple nicely placed cubical decorations. Seems like there’s at least be a pen or pencil laying out. My desk looks like a bomb went off on even the best of days…

I’m not saying the image is fake – just that the context of the image is “off”.

May I point something out???

As a former graphics designer and former GW HQ employee - NO STUDIO MEMBER WOULD USE A MONITOR THAT CRAPPY FOR DESIGN WORK!!!

FAKE!!!

Also - Mountain Dew is really hard to get in England.

It's like £1.25 a can.

Yes, that can of mountain dew now suggests hoax to me. Oh well, cool hoax cover anyway. GW, if you're watching, we like this pic (and your cover for Blood Angels is rubbish).

OK, now how come this photoshop pic has so much more traction than the Warseer rumors?

The picture is garbage.

Anyone have anything relevent about the DE other then the couple of greens from a few months ago and the battle book missions?

Does anyone have the plans for that DE flying land raider vehicle that they had when the DE first came out?

They took two or three of the flyers, combined them and in made for a pretty neat looking skimmer with plenty of spikes on it.

I've got a couple of small armies of them running around in the back room somewhere, might be time to dig them out.

Are they worth my time, or just something for target practice?

It never fails to astonish me how much free time some people have. I mean, you have time in your life to do whatever and you spend it making fake rumors and photos about toy soldiers?

Grot 6 wrote:The picture is garbage.

Anyone have anything relevent about the DE other then the couple of greens from a few months ago and the battle book missions?

Does anyone have the plans for that DE flying land raider vehicle that they had when the DE first came out?

They took two or three of the flyers, combined them and in made for a pretty neat looking skimmer with plenty of spikes on it.

I've got a couple of small armies of them running around in the back room somewhere, might be time to dig them out.

Are they worth my time, or just something for target practice?

Something to expend those illegal fireworks on...

Grot 6 wrote:Anyone have anything relevent about the DE other then the couple of greens from a few months ago and the battle book missions?

No, we know absolutely bugga all really (a few smug people supposedly 'in the know' aside - you know who you are ). However, for me there is a sense that this time, maybe, the whispers are beginning to get a little louder.

radiohazard wrote:
Also - Mountain Dew is really hard to get in England.

It's like £1.25 a can.

There is no such thing as Mountain Dew in England are version is sprite.

Farmer wrote:

radiohazard wrote:
Also - Mountain Dew is really hard to get in England.

It's like £1.25 a can.

There is no such thing as Mountain Dew in England are version is sprite.

Shows how much you know - You can buy Mountain Dew from Mill Road in Cambridge in at least 3 of the shops on that road.

And Sprite tastes nothing like Mountain Dew.

Let's Eat also sells them in crates of six.

Sprite is a lemon-lime Coke product created to compete with what is now Pepsi's 7-Up. Mountain Dew is an entirely different Pepsi product.

I Think Dark Eldar May no Longer be Safe From Update

They are also not safe from wild rumors, speculation, crazed debates and possible hoaxes either.

BrassScorpion wrote:Sprite is a lemon-lime Coke product created to compete with what is now Pepsi's 7-Up. Mountain Dew is an entirely different Pepsi product.

I Think Dark Eldar May no Longer be Safe From Update

They are also not safe from wild rumors, speculation, crazed debates and possible hoaxes either.

And they'll never be safe from the Emperor!

Also, on both codices, it is a picture of Comorragh (sp?). Every codex (thinking back now) that I've ever seen is an action shot of some sort. It's either marines firing into the enemy, Eldar cresting a ridge, Imperial Guard yelling, Tyranids devouring something, etc. It's never a still shot of a landscape. I mean, if that were the Dark Eldar codex, it would be the most uninspiring cover they've done yet, even with the trend of the new artwork (Tyranids, Blood Angels).

That's what suggests to me that it is a forgery.

BrassScorpion wrote:It may or may not be Codex Dark Eldar though the comparisons being made sure do look promising. However, it's definitely not Codex Space Wolves after one glance at that book cover. Comparisons to the Dark Eldar artwork are much closer matches than to the Space Wolves book cover.

Oh, I certainly agree with that now, but my first impressions made me think of the Space Wolves cover. It would be nice if it were real though.

This is the B&W version of the pic in question, i think. Unusual that it has no central character, but not exactly uninspiring.

Leggy wrote:

This is the B&W version of the pic in question, i think. Unusual that it has no central character, but not exactly uninspiring.

Ahh, I didn't see the whole pic. Hmm, yeah I could see that as a codex cover.

Now we can be almost certain that someone in the world has the DE pic from the rulebook on his computer!
What a daring revelation totally worth three pages of discussion.

lol looks pretty fake to me

incarna wrote:
First, I’ve known a lot of designers and none every kept their desk that clean.

Amen! No matter what I do it always goes South after a month. : /

Hey, if the suits were touring that day, I'd expect the desk to be clean until the after the suits left.

Leggy wrote:

This is the B&W version of the pic in question, i think. Unusual that it has no central character, but not exactly uninspiring.

Well the focal point is the Raider. Which makes sense considering that vehicle plays a critical role in defining the Dark Eldar as delicate but fast and deadly. DE armies without any Raiders typically fail horribly. Though I'm not a fan of the sails-on-the-raiders-idea which this picture displays and, according to rumors, the new models will feature... I guess GW thinks you can't have pirates without sails.

I've looked at the art in the BGB and the foreground raider looks to be without the sail. Eventhough the Raider in the background has a big freaking rock and a Hellion obscuring it, you can make out the profile better on it.

The only 'tournament' I went to (a freaking long time ago) I saw a DE force with sails on the raiders like those from a chinese junk. It was interesting...

Overall there isn't a huge difference in the old Raider and these with the sails. Tbh it looks more like a fin meant to look like a sail than an actual sail.

Archonate wrote:

Leggy wrote:

This is the B&W version of the pic in question, i think. Unusual that it has no central character, but not exactly uninspiring.

Well the focal point is the Raider. Which makes sense considering that vehicle plays a critical role in defining the Dark Eldar as delicate but fast and deadly. DE armies without any Raiders typically fail horribly. Though I'm not a fan of the sails-on-the-raiders-idea which this picture displays and, according to rumors, the new models will feature... I guess GW thinks you can't have pirates without sails.

I always pictured it as a shark fin, rather then a sail. Conveys a much more predatory image to me. Either way is cool for me.

Thats the beauty of art, one image can be interpreted in so many ways!

Solar sails have been a staple of Eldar design since the armorcast wave serpent, if not earlier. As the "original" Eldar it makes sense, and it's a nice throwback to old designs.

Ok guys, I did some more of my amateur magic and produced this out of the last picture.

I think it's legit.

Defiler wrote:Ok guys, I did some more of my amateur magic and produced this out of the last picture.

I think it's legit.

The "yeti" that was captured in China looks like a Dark Eldar Warpbeast that someone painted white! More clues that GW marketing has been laying out for the imminent Dark Eldar release!

http://www.aolnews.com/weird-news/article/mysterious-oriental-yeti-trapped-in-china/19428455

I have one more before I quit, and wait for more real information.

I just couldn't help myself.

@Defiler , im willing to make a bet that the layout of your fake codex lwill ook better than GW's actual release.

LunaHound wrote:@Defiler , im willing to make a bet that the layout of your fake codex lwill ook better than GW's actual release.

Fake?...

Flashman wrote:However, for me there is a sense that this time, maybe, the whispers are beginning to get a little louder.

Yes.

..they are.

..not long.

So when the new codex will come out aprox. 5,8 or 12 months.

BrassScorpion wrote:Sprite is a lemon-lime Coke product created to compete with what is now Pepsi's 7-Up. Mountain Dew is an entirely different Pepsi product.

I Think Dark Eldar May no Longer be Safe From Update

They are also not safe from wild rumors, speculation, crazed debates and possible hoaxes either.

Got that right.

Who takes a photograph of their desk, with the layout of a new and secret codex on the desktop? And unless the studio has moved out the the US, it's very unlikely that someone would have a can of Mountain Dew on their desk. It's very hard to find in the UK, I've never seen it for sale actually though I'm sure cans are available from special shops for a significant price. Convenient that the image on the cover is also virtually the only one that is publically available for the new dark eldar.

I think it's a wind up. Like every other DE thread this has run its course and dried up. I'll be here to voice my disbelief next week or whenever the next innevitable rumour thread appears.

Howard A Treesong wrote:Who takes a photograph of their desk, with the layout of a new and secret codex on the desktop? And unless the studio has moved out the the US, it's very unlikely that someone would have a can of Mountain Dew on their desk. It's very hard to find in the UK, I've never seen it for sale actually though I'm sure cans are available from special shops for a significant price. Convenient that the image on the cover is also virtually the only one that is publically available for the new dark eldar.

I think it's a wind up. Like every other DE thread this has run its course and dried up. I'll be here to voice my disbelief next week or whenever the next innevitable rumour thread appears.

Not only that, but all the art on the new codices as been "new art". I'm not sure that I've seen them pull a piece of artwork from a rulebook and use. Generally speaking, the art from the codices is included in the rulebook, not vice versa. I mean, the art from the new codices doesn't appear anywhere in the rulebook - not the SW, not the Tyranids, not the BA. But they'll take a mediocre action shot from the rulebook as the new cover for the long-awaited Dark Eldar release?

Feels flimsy.

Defiler wrote:I have one more before I quit, and wait for more real information.

I just couldn't help myself.

Wow new eldar codex, OMG, OMG, this is amazing. I'm certain this is real...

I'm laughing my ass off with your shops xDDDD

Erasoketa wrote:I'm laughing my ass off with your shops xDDDD

Note the like, 20 Haemonculi greens in the foreground.

Defiler wrote:Note the like, 20 Haemonculi greens in the foreground.

You made it all up! And it came true anyway!

Defiler wrote:

Erasoketa wrote:I'm laughing my ass off with your shops xDDDD

Note the like, 20 Haemonculi greens in the foreground.

I did, as the new jetbikes xDD good job

From Altharius:And hold off on too many Dark Eldar purchases!

They are getting a complete redesign by JES GOODWIN!

And I just started the DE army...hur hur lucky I only have 4 models, mayby they will be given new tanks (no longer open-toped and more powerful)

Oh trust me, we want Raiders open topped. Being able to disembark and charge on the same turn is too priceless. And getting shot down isn't nearly as bad as it used to be.

It would be interesting if they were given a heavier tank-type vihicle, but that's not really the DE mo.

OUTFLANK....GIVE THEM OUTFLANK!!!! That fits their fluff!!

Archonate wrote:Oh trust me, we want Raiders open topped. Being able to disembark and charge on the same turn is too priceless. And getting shot down isn't nearly as bad as it used to be.

It would be interesting if they were given a heavier tank-type vihicle, but that's not really the DE mo.

Well, if it's written into a new codex as their MO...then np. I never understood why being a 'raiding' force meant they wouldn't have access to Heavy Tanks to support them. Given that all of their 'lightning strike' ability has been swallowed up by the other armies and USR's they will either have to be given new crazy abilities to justify them being a raiding force, or be given more substantial Heavy Support. To me, giving DE substantial Hvy support just means the army moves into the position of being serious about taking slaves.

I think one viable option isn't so much to give us better armor, but to give us items that make them more survivable. The nighshields we have now are nice, but frankly, against today's army they really don't cut it (especially IG... *shudders*). Given that our new DE codex is allegedly written by the writer of the Eldar codex, it seems a fantastic, and likely, idea for us to get vehicle upgrades similar to the Eldar vehicles. Personally, fluff wise, I'd love to see us get a permanent cover save on raiders...

I'm worried Dark Eldar will get redone, and as other codexes have recently, their transports (ie Raiders) will get cheaper. Given how mean Raider Spam is now, it would simply get meaner unless they do something else to weaken them. So then GW, wanting to sell the new stuff, has to make it Even Better than Raider Spam. ::shudder::

Do you guys really want a new DE codex.
The current one is golden.

The new one will eventually get worse at the end.
Then you will eventually want the old 'dex back,
especially if its jervisified. God beware.

Hopefully Jervis never gets his hands near another codex again.

Sidstyler wrote:Hopefully Jervis never gets his hands near another codex again.

That'll be the day.

wuestenfux wrote:Do you guys really want a new DE codex.
The current one is golden.

The new one will eventually get worse at the end.
Then you will eventually want the old 'dex back,
especially if its jervisified. God beware.

We want the new Jes Goodwin minis mostly.
But having more than two cookycutter army lists that work would also be helpful

lol, you get trees in their battleforce

wuestenfux wrote:Do you guys really want a new DE codex.
The current one is golden.

The new one will eventually get worse at the end.
Then you will eventually want the old 'dex back,
especially if its jervisified. God beware.

You realize the current DE codex is written by Gav Thorpe and... Jervis Johnson, right?

To everyone who wants to keep the current codex.

You want to play an army that has less than half viable armies, than my hand has fingers?

An army that consists of crap models?

An army that well wont get anything new ever?

Its new codex or remain at the crappy level you are at.

(My chaos dex is competitive, but a piece of crap compared to the 3.5 dex.)