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Post by: adamsouza
From BOLS:
According to Games Workshop USA Sales Representative Mark Koscielniak, the new Warhammer 40k 5th Edition Starter Boxed Set will include a “Crap-Ton of miniatures”.
The new boxed starter, due out in September of this year, will include the popular “mini-rulebook”, dice, measuring sticks and the proverbial French “Crap-Ton” of miniatures including:
1– Space Marine Commander (full sprue)
1– Space Marine Tactical Squad
1– Space Marine Terminator Squad
1– Space Marine Dreadnought
AND THAT’S NOT ALL!
The set will ALSO include:
1– Ork Warboss
2– Ork Boyz Mobs
1– Ork Nob Mob
3– Death Koptas
The retail price on this tremendous deal will be a ridiculously low $59.99! A quick analysis of the retail value of this set is valued at a cool $262 bucks, and that’s not even counting the retail value of the 3 Death Koptas, the “mini-rulebook”, or the dice!
The new 5th Edition starter will be called “Battle for Black Reach”.
The regular hard cover 5th Edition rulebook is due out in July, with a retail price of $49.99.
Even with this great value, Games Workshop Inc. has instructed their retailers to warn consumers that in order to off-set this incredible value,GW is forced to break the promise of not raising any prices for 5 full years. As a result, all of the GW starters (40k, Fantasy and Lord of the Rings) will now be sold at $59.99, rather than the former $49.99.
Even so, the values of these starters are astounding, as entire armies can be built for the cost of a couple of starters.
Be sure to place your pre-orders early so that you don’t miss out on this incredible deal
Does anyone remember how many people cried BS when I said August 2008 ?
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/205581.page
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Post by: Breotan
I'm assuming these are the one-piece guys that currently occupy the 40k 4th Ed Box?
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Post by: Polonius
I don't care what quality they are, if the fifth ed rules rumours are even close and this is the starter box... I'd get used to nothing but Orks for a few years.
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Post by: Polonius
I think the idea was to keep the starter boxes at a low price for a long time. If you notice, about four years ago GW started pricing a few things slightly lower to appeal to new hobbyists. The BfM was a good start, followed by the $90 battalion box and the lovely Skull Pass and Mines of Moria. I think the promise was to larger retailers and the like, stating essentially that you could get a "game in a box" for $50.
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Post by: Hordini
If that's true, that is a sweet, sweet deal. And if the 5th edition rules are good, there's a significant chance I'll be buying this.
I still want to pick up a Battle for Skull Pass set at some point. Any idea when the price hike goes into effect?
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Post by: usernamesareannoying
wow... how big is this fraking box going to be?!?!
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Post by: two_heads_talking
big enough to stuff all the models and goodies inside it. (grin)
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Post by: Grobrotz
Baah, doesnt seem to me that Orcs will have a chance in winning games in this configuration.
But it can not be that emperrors finest got crumped by puny greenskins.
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Post by: adamsouza
It has nothing to do with a winning configuration as is.
It has everything to do with a cheap way to 180 Boyz and 15 DeffKoptas 
They NEVER give you a great army in the starting box. That way your enticed to buy more models.
It looks like I'm in for 5 BFBRs. Not only will it give me the models I want for my Ork Horde, but it wll give me enough marines for a new SM army.
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Post by: Janthkin
It looks like I'm in for 5 BFBRs. Not only will it give me the models I want for my Ork Horde, but it wll give me enough marines for a new SM army.
Don't start a SM army. Find someone who is, split the cost of the boxes, and sell the 3 "bonus" rulebooks. You should end up with your orks (plus 1 rulebook) for ~$120, which is an incredible deal.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
"the new Warhammer 40k 5th Edition Starter Boxed Set will include a “Crap-Ton of miniatures”. "
Is that a metric crap-ton or English crap-ton?
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Post by: Ozymandias
He said, "proverbial French Crap-ton" so RAW says metric.
So as not to derail this thread, we should start a thread in YMDC.
Ozymandias, King of Kings
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Around $1 per model? Not bad, tho I doubt we're getting multi-pose SM and Termies.
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Post by: Teek
And with that, Ozymandias wins the thread.
Is anybody else as twitterpated about the prospect of a plastic warboss? Even if it turns out a 1 or 2 piece, "this is how he shall be posed" sprue, think of all the hacking one could do. I'm also really interested in how they do plastic Deff Koptas, assuming it will be basically identical to the current metal model, just pieced onto a plastic sprue? Either way, delicious bits there.
Earlier rumors included plastic grots. It's a bit sad they're not showing up now, unless this "plastic Nob mob" is a miscommunication...
I have until September to find a marine player or two willing to split some boxes up...
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Post by: Alpharius
If true, this is an amazing deal!
I can't quite believe all the miniatures in it...
Though exactly how many models are in a marine squad and an Ork mob?
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Post by: Rbb
I wonder how much Battlewagon Bitz will be selling the individual squads for? You can get the bfm marines for around $15 American.
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Post by: adamsouza
Janthkin wrote:It looks like I'm in for 5 BFBRs. Not only will it give me the models I want for my Ork Horde, but it wll give me enough marines for a new SM army.
Don't start a SM army. Find someone who is, split the cost of the boxes, and sell the 3 "bonus" rulebooks. You should end up with your orks (plus 1 rulebook) for ~$120, which is an incredible deal.
Meh, tried that with BFM and BFSP. Too much work trying to find someone who isn't an idiot to work with.
I'd just be happier with the mountain of marines.
Besides that, I don't want to break with tradition.
I had a RT marine force, a 2nd Ed Blood Angels Army, a 3rd edition Blood Angels, and a 4th Ed Vanilla Marines who happened to be painted something like Blood Angels army. I might as well make a 5th go at it 
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Post by: Hellfury
adamsouza wrote:It has nothing to do with a winning configuration as is.
It has everything to do with a cheap way to 180 Boyz and 15 DeffKoptas
I hate to admit this, I really do, but... QFT
Something like that could make me really get into making an ork army.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Alpharius wrote:If true, this is an amazing deal!
I can't quite believe all the miniatures in it...
Though exactly how many models are in a marine squad and an Ork mob?
I'd guess:
1 SM Commander
10 SM Tacticals
5 SM Termies
1 SM Dread
1 Ork Warboss
10 Ork Boyz (x2)
10 Ork Nobs
3 Ork Deffkoptas
17 SM vs 34 Orks = 51 models total.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
If this becomes the only place where you can get Deffkoptas I'm going to have to call shenanigans.
BYE
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Post by: Stelek
And the wait begins...will 5th edition be released 60 days before the first GW GT? Will we be unsure what rules set we're using till 3 days before the GT? Will another GT season be screwed up with mixing rules between events?
I look forward to Dave Taylor's answers.
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Post by: temprus
Stelek wrote:And the wait begins...will 5th edition be released 60 days before the first GW GT? Will we be unsure what rules set we're using till 3 days before the GT? Will another GT season be screwed up with mixing rules between events?
I look forward to Dave Taylor's answers.
5th Ed is supposedly coming out by the beginning of July, almost exactly 60 days before the US Las Vegas GT. The fact that they mention a rule for edition changes in the 2008 US packet was a dead giveaway that one was coming.  Also explains why they moved the two US summer GTs into fall. 
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Post by: Polonius
H.B.M.C. wrote:If this becomes the only place where you can get Deffkoptas I'm going to have to call shenanigans.
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Spider Riders got their first model in the BfsP, and were made available pretty quickly in a seperate kit.
I'd imagine these death coptas will be quite simple, probobly smaller then the metal ones as well. Still, even if it's the smallest amount possible, it'll be a great day for Orks.
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Post by: Deadshane1
cant wait
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Post by: DarthIbis
H.B.M.C. wrote:If this becomes the only place where you can get Deffkoptas I'm going to have to call shenanigans.
I heard these were "new" plastic Deffkoptas. Maybe they'll have a new box set as well.
There is supposed to be other new ork stuff coming as well.
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Post by: Corpsman_of_Krieg
You know, I don't care that this starter box will give me a bunch of Orks I have no use for. Paying $60 for just the Marines and rulebook is a friggin deal!
5 Termies = $50 Box Set
10 Tacticals = $35 Box Set
1 Commander = $20 Box Set
1 Dreadnought = $40 Box Set
Separate Rulebook = $50
So for $60, I'm getting $195 of models I'll use, as well as probably $100 more in Orks!
This concludes my summer purchases. One box of this and a Crusader, and I'll be set for life.
CK
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Post by: Lemartes
Depends on the molds. The marines in BFM were not the greatest. The stealers were not half bad tho'.
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Post by: yakface
This is no doubt a great deal, and I look forward to 5th edition from everything I've read but it occurs to me. . .
. . .people are going to buy marines no matter what and people are going to buy a boxed set no matter what just to get the mini-rulebook and because that many miniatures at that price is just too good a deal to pass up.
So why doesn't GW put not-marines into this box set, that way they still sell all these starter sets plus all the marines they already sell to everyone and their grandmother who wants more marines?
It makes sense to me.
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Post by: adamsouza
Because Marines make the world go round ?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
yakface wrote:So why doesn't GW put not-marines into this box set, that way they still sell all these starter sets plus all the marines they already sell to everyone and their grandmother who wants more marines?
Why would GW take the one thing that outsells all their other product lines out of their core set?
BYE
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Post by: yakface
Because just like I said:
You don't want to discount the one thing people constantly buy, that's stupid.
People will buy marines regardless, so get people to buy the box set just because its a good deal (with like Guard and Orks in it) and then GW would make twice the money as people will keep buying marines plus the boxset.
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Post by: Stelek
yaks making sense.
time for my medicine. 
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Post by: stonefox
I think we think we already know the answer to this question yak. It would serve as a very good koan.
Popular items sell for money. Discounts are given otherwise. Marines are both.
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Post by: TragicNut
Is the answer:
Spaz Marinez... Hurrr!!!!
perhaps?
Seriously though, it'd be nice (as in a pipedream) to see two non-imperium armies in the starter, perhaps Orks and Chaos?
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Corpsman_of_Krieg wrote:You know, I don't care that this starter box will give me a bunch of Orks I have no use for. Paying $60 for just the Marines and rulebook is a friggin deal!
5 Termies = $50 Box Set
10 Tacticals = $35 Box Set
1 Commander = $20 Box Set
1 Dreadnought = $40 Box Set
Separate Rulebook = $50
So for $60, I'm getting $195 of models I'll use, as well as probably $100 more in Orks!
This concludes my summer purchases. One box of this and a Crusader, and I'll be set for life.
CK
You're pretending you're getting the multi-pose minis and full-size hardback rulebook worth full price. If you were to price them closer to their true value, the pricing would be quite a bit lower.
5 Termies = $20 value (at $50, the multi-pose minis are insane)
10 Tacticals = $20 value
1 Commander = $10 value
1 Dreadnought = $25 value
Separate Rulebook = $10 value
The "value" of the SM & rulebook is closer to $85, which is still a good deal.
All this does is show high overpriced the boxed sets are.
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Post by: Clang
yeah, surely the figs will all be 1or 2 part simplified versions like in previous boxed sets, i can't believe GW would simply shove in all the normal sprues. But given the high quality of the recentish WHFB 'simplified' models, the 40K ones will surely be as good, and I too will be buying a box. Or two.
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Post by: Agamemnon2
It's a bit too early to value the new models, as we've not actually seen them. Be that as it may, we're still getting the granddaddy of all starter sets complete with a vehicle, three bike-equivalents and two bare-bones armies (well, if you want to stretch the ten tacticals to form two five-man squads).
May we live in interesting times.
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Post by: Ozymandias
yakface wrote:Because just like I said:
You don't want to discount the one thing people constantly buy, that's stupid.
People will buy marines regardless, so get people to buy the box set just because its a good deal (with like Guard and Orks in it) and then GW would make twice the money as people will keep buying marines plus the boxset.
You are assuming they are only selling these box sets to people who already play the game. A new kid comes along, sees the box set for $60 with the cool Space Marines and wants to get it. Space Marines are the selling point that gets the kid into the hobby.
Besides Yak, we all know you just hate Marines.
Ozymandias, King of Kings
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
yakface wrote:You don't want to discount the one thing people constantly buy, that's stupid.
Whilst I agree with that in principle, I think it's safe to say that just buying the boxed set over and over again will not get you a Marine army. You're still going to have to buy the overwhelming majority of Marine stuff that doesn't come in the box.
The abundance of miniatures also drives the sales of the box, off-setting the discount given.
yakface wrote:People will buy marines regardless, so get people to buy the box set just because its a good deal (with like Guard and Orks in it) and then GW would make twice the money as people will keep buying marines plus the boxset.
A few things:
1. Most people aren't like us. Most people won't get together with a friend and buy a few boxed sets and swap the bits they want between one another. We might want to do that (and I will, depending on what else comes in the box - the Marines alone don't interest me as I have over 10,000 points of Marines already and I don't collect Orks). Most people will buy this boxed set once, and will then go on to collect Marines. I know I did when I got the 2nd Ed box, and Marines have been in every box since then so why change something that's clearly working?
2. You seem to have forgotten that you always require 'More Stuff' to play 40K. This box won't do it.
3. It's like drugs. The first one's always free. After that though...
BYE
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Post by: Vandez
I'm still holding onto some hope that these will be fully poseble multipart miniatures. Sometimes my naivete knows no bounds!
Still, either way, an awesome deal.
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Post by: Pariah Press
Vandez wrote:I'm still holding onto some hope that these will be fully poseble multipart miniatures.
Not at that price.
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Post by: Stelek
I think you'll all be surprised at what's really in the box.
Well-written, heavily playtested, rules.
Now come on lads, form up into ranks.
Hey you, with the fancy sword. Stop yelling. Get into the congo line.
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Post by: Vandez
It's a small hope.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
(Assuming this is correct)
Normally I would agree with Yakface's arguement, second teir armies need a discount and some love, not the marines.
But since the boxset is coming out two or three months after the rules the target audience is clearly new players, hence the inclusion of the most popular army.
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Post by: Stelek
Kyoto, WHAT new players?
The ones clearly targeted by Apocalypse?
LOLOLOLOL
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Post by: Vandez
What, have people suddenly stopped being interested in wargames? When did a new ruleset/boxed edition cease to be a great opportunity to get new players into the hobby?
And also, surely Apoc is for older players with their own bodyweight in miniatures?
Also also, why do I have this sudden suspicion that I've completely misjunded the tone of your post? Ah, nuts to it.
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Post by: Stelek
I'm an older player.
Interest of me and the locals in apoc? Zero.
I only have ten armies...
I'm immune to gimmicks and smurfs?
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Post by: Vandez
And optimism, apparently.
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Post by: Stelek
GW stole it from me with the gaming from 97-2005.
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Post by: Vandez
Hah, fair point. Wargaming: Vacuuming your optimisim since 1985.
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Post by: porkuslime
Now, as I read the Starter Contents from the 1st post.. the OP says that there is a SM Commander with Full Sprue.. that implies to me that AT LEAST him, and probably others in the box, will NOT be one or 2 part molded models.
I would imagine that the "command" figures will be multi-part models with different weapon configs.. while the troops will be more like BfM troops.
Not sure about the Termies and Nobs.. maybe somewhere between fixed pose troops and full option models..
-Porkuslime
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Post by: two_heads_talking
H.B.M.C. wrote:If this becomes the only place where you can get Deffkoptas I'm going to have to call shenanigans.
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3 deffkoptas for 60 dollars? isn't that what we pay now? 20 dolllars apiece. and now if we want to, we have trade fodder or we can sell the stuff we don't need. or we split the cost of the starter box with a friend so it's now 30 dollars. sounds like a deal either way.
But I highly doubt that the starter set is the only place they will be available. In fact, can you point to any unit in a starter box that is not available in blister or box? So, what makes you think this would be the presedence for 40k? I don't follow your logic here.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Probably similar to the 2nd Ed Space Hulk Terminators I'd say... just bigger.
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Post by: Gitkikka
I have the sneaking suspicion that the termies will be the ones included in the original Space Hulk game.
Yeah, the single piece ones.
Hey GW - show me the minis!
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Post by: adamsouza
BFSP has raised my opinion of what they can accomplish on single pice figs, so I wouldn't be upset even if they went that route, BUT, and it's a BIG BUT, the biggest expense of plastic figures is cutting the molds. Once you have recouped the cost of the steel molds your making sprues for pennies.
I seriuosly think GW has made enough money on Terminators and Commander sprues to be past the point where it would simply be more profitable to include those sprues, instead of rescupting all those models and cutting new molds for them.
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Post by: Necros
That is one heluva steal.. I'll be getting a box, but I know I'll have no use for the ork stuff :( I think we'll be seeing a lot of orc armies with tons of deathkoptas soon :p
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Post by: two_heads_talking
Necros wrote:That is one heluva steal.. I'll be getting a box, but I know I'll have no use for the ork stuff :( I think we'll be seeing a lot of orc armies with tons of deathkoptas soon :p
I plan on getting a box too and won't be using the space marines. If you care to, maybe we can work a trade out.. ?? pm me if that is something youa re interested in.
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Post by: Necros
hehe yeah I would probably do that.. lets wait till the thing is actually released and see.. who knows by then I might end up keeping it all .. I don't even play my marines anymore but some extra new models for the army might breath some interest back into it for me. Though the tactical marines won't match, I have 3 tac squads of those 1 pose 2nd edition starter marines  But I fluffed up my guard army to be the planetary defense force for where my marines come from, and they all share the same colors.. one of these days I wanna get a big apoc game going with stuff from both forces all mixed in
I guess GW going with the super low price to try and combat the other cheaper games but also banking on the fact that tons of vets will scoop this box set up for the value alone, and then go ahead and buy the big rulebook too.
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Post by: Platuan4th
I see myself buying at least 2 of these sets just for the Orks...
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Post by: Voodoo Boyz
Great to get the info. Between this and the new 2k Points limit for GD, I'm definitely playing Fantasy for that, and I'll build the 100+ Orks I've got on the sprue AFTER the 5th ed rules come out and I rejig my army. Should hopefully have that done for the Baltimore GT.
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Post by: ZamboniKnight
adamsouza wrote:I seriuosly think GW has made enough money on Terminators and Commander sprues to be past the point where it would simply be more profitable to include those sprues, instead of rescupting all those models and cutting new molds for them.
I thought they had some perfectly fine Dwarf plastics, and they went and re-did those... If they're not producing something new, then they're not producing. It's a shame they're not putting IG in the box with maybe some plastic Rough Riders. While not fielded often, it'd offer up some great conversions!
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Post by: Tetchy
Of course, now 5th edition in July is definite, GW are rushing to discount all their 4th edition rulebooks and BfM sets which will become obsolete and virtually worthless in 4 months' time aren't they...?
Aren't they?
Money-grubbing, barsteward rip-off merchants!
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Post by: Hellfury
adamsouza wrote:BFSP has raised my opinion of what they can accomplish on single pice figs, so I wouldn't be upset even if they went that route, BUT, and it's a BIG BUT, the biggest expense of plastic figures is cutting the molds. Once you have recouped the cost of the steel molds your making sprues for pennies.
I seriuosly think GW has made enough money on Terminators and Commander sprues to be past the point where it would simply be more profitable to include those sprues, instead of rescupting all those models and cutting new molds for them.
You make a good point there. And I would just about fully agree.
But I think that GW will make fixed pose models in this box for one single reason.
To make sure people keep buying the multipose boxes of those very same models included.
I really think it was the reason why they took the 2nd ed space hulk off of the shelves.
not because it was to costly to produce the tiles, like GW originally stated, but because it was better (and much cheaper) to buy space hulk and get the termies and trade the stealers to a tyranid player. (even though termies really stunk in 3rd ed)
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Post by: Pariah Press
Hellfury wrote:But I think that GW will make fixed pose models in this box for one single reason.
To make sure people keep buying the multipose boxes of those very same models included.
The single-posed minis are easier for beginners to assemble.
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
I think it has something to to with 10-year olds.
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Post by: Morskul
Anung Un Rama wrote:I think it has something to to with 10-year olds.
Just don't mention Jervis' son...
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
adamsouza wrote:the biggest expense of plastic figures is cutting the molds. Once you have recouped the cost of the steel molds your making sprues for pennies.
I seriuosly think GW has made enough money on Terminators and Commander sprues to be past the point where it would simply be more profitable to include those sprues, instead of rescupting all those models and cutting new molds for them.
GW will probably recut the figures and simplify them because they can fit more figures in a smaller box that way. If GW doesn't have dense layout of models on the sprue, then they need bigger boxes.
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Post by: BDJV
Wow, that is a helluva lot O' minis! Too bad they'll all be snapfit minis.
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Post by: Necros
Maybe it will really be a cardboard standee for the bigger models, like the ork dreadnought in the 2nd edition box set
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Post by: George Spiggott
This does seem very biased towards the Marines (as usual) I can't help but think that Orks will be seeing their 'stock drop' as new players will play the starter set, and based upon their performance verses the Marines will drop the Orks and play Space Marines (as usual).
Anybody got any ideas of the number of Orks in the box? They've got a lot of points to make up against that Terminator Squad and Dreadnought.
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Post by: Abadabadoobaddon
adamsouza wrote:I seriuosly think GW has made enough money on Terminators and Commander sprues to be past the point where it would simply be more profitable to include those sprues, instead of rescupting all those models and cutting new molds for them.
There is no such thing as "enough" when it comes to money. A simple eBay search will demonstrate that terminators and commanders are still selling at the current prices. It may well be more profitable to resculpt and cut new molds for starter set versions of them rather than undercut sales of the existing box sets. But worry not! I'm sure the snap-fit commander will be in the ever popular waving-his-power-fist-in-the-air-above-his-bald-screaming-head pose so beloved among space marine fans.
Vandez wrote:And also, surely Apoc is for older players with their own bodyweight in miniatures?
Well I don't know about that... have you seen the manboobs on some of the vets?
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Post by: Dakkaladd
Also, they can't let tau outsell marines. Oh wait...
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Post by: adamsouza
Are you implying that Tau have been outselling marines ?
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Post by: drunkorc
Im sorry to say this but i made a great decision
selling my Tau for Orks, but thats off topic.
As for the Box Set.... Im GOING FRIGGEN NUTTS!..(flash back to LOTR's..Pressioussss...i wants it,..I must Have's it!)
thats good news about the Deff Kopptas, i was about to converet my Old Bikes into Kopptas., but i'll hold off on that for now.  More boys is good for me, i'll make
me a nice 20 Strong Storm Boys mob (i love to Convert!) as for the Warboss, i'll keep a warboss w/o Mega-Armour for a faster Warboss.
Nobs..Well i converted 7 of them as i told adamsouza a bit ago. (yes i'll post pics soon as i paint them) but with more Nobs, i'll just start another mob.
My son is going crazzy to get his hands on the Marines, maybe i'll have him do some work around the house till the Box set jumps into my hands.
Good find adamsouza, Tones of Kudos to you mate!
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Post by: Kilkrazy
Perhaps GW will make "special needs" versions of the Kopta and Dread just for this box.
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Post by: DaBigNob
AND THAT’S NOT ALL!
The set will ALSO include:
1– Ork Warboss
2– Ork Boyz Mobs
1– Ork Nob Mob
3– Death Koptas
Well crap... I just finished putting together 3 metal deth koptas that I bought last month from GW for $75. LOL
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Post by: Ratbarf
Lets see, for some reason this reminds me immensly of the opening scene for the Original Dawn of War....
Anyone else see any resemblance to a bunch of orcs facing off against a dread and a bunch of marines? (then again the orcs didn't have deff koptas but it would make sense to use that scenario seeing as a heck of a lot of people know it from the video game series who don't play the table top version.)
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Post by: mikhaila
Tetchy wrote:Of course, now 5th edition in July is definite, GW are rushing to discount all their 4th edition rulebooks and BfM sets which will become obsolete and virtually worthless in 4 months' time aren't they...?
Aren't they?
Money-grubbing, barsteward rip-off merchants!
Actually, I don't think they will drop the price of McCragge at all. They don't have hardly any of them left, and they are sill selling at a good pace. I got a big restock for my shop, and even with telling people the rules will be only good for the next two months, they still sell.
In two months, the models are still good, along with the dice, templates, and scenery.
Rulebooks will have no use at all in two months, I sold my last one a month ago and didn't restock.
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Post by: whoadirty
Similar story here...
I told my boss two months ago 5th would be coming out in the summer so that he wouldn't get stuck with a bunch of BfM sets. He only orders a couple at a time now, but even telling people the new rules are coming out, he is re-ordering quite a bit.
On another note, at least the 4th rulebook has some cool pictures in it because I don't know what to do with it ...
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Tetchy wrote:Of course, now 5th edition in July is definite, GW are rushing to discount all their 4th edition rulebooks and BfM sets which will become obsolete and virtually worthless in 4 months' time aren't they...?
They'll do the same thing with the Battle for McDonald's box that they did for the 3rd Ed boxes - take all remaining stock to landfill and have them put through a compactor.
God forbid they offer them at a cheaper rate for their loyal customers, no, no, no. They must be destroyed!
BYE
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Ratbarf wrote:Anyone else see any resemblance to a bunch of orcs facing off against a dread and a bunch of marines? (then again the orcs didn't have deff koptas but it would make sense to use that scenario seeing as a heck of a lot of people know it from the video game series who don't play the table top version.)
But then they'd have to write rules for Bolters loaded with blank rounds and near-sighted Dreadnoughts.
BYE
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
H.B.M.C. wrote:God forbid they offer them at a cheaper rate for their loyal customers, no, no, no. They must be destroyed!
Nope, they'll end up as the sample models supplied with GW paint sets, along with GW "paint and take" fodder at their events.
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Post by: Kilkrazy
It depends whether it is cheaper to break up any built box units and repurpose the individual content items, or trash them and make new.
Given the cheap production cost of plastics versus the expense of hand unpacking and repacking items, it may be good accounting to trash the box units, and good marketing not to offer them at discount prices.
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Post by: temprus
In the USA, it is normally cheaper/better/easier to "pulp"/"destroy" unsold books/product than sell it at sub-prime discounts or to dump it at cheap wholesalers because of the way accounting write offs work here. Giving them away for free normally can't be written off (at least not at the level we would probably be talking about in this case).
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
FWIW, at the LA Bunker, GW cleared off a bunch of old stuff as prizes at one of their events.
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Post by: smart_alex
Youve gotta be kidding me. Thats a major deal.
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Post by: Tetchy
Kilkrazy wrote:It depends whether it is cheaper to break up any built box units and repurpose the individual content items, or trash them and make new.
Given the cheap production cost of plastics versus the expense of hand unpacking and repacking items, it may be good accounting to trash the box units, and good marketing not to offer them at discount prices.
It might be good accounting and marketing practice to the suits at Lenton.
To the gamer on the street it just stinks.
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Post by: hammerofulric
Because the STARTER set isn't for those of us who have been playing for years, its for noobs. So of course it uses the most iconic army in the game.
We can debate whether it should hold this iconic status until the Ambulls come home, but 40k is Space marines, Space Marines are 40k.
And after years away from them, my first 5th edition army is going to be Space Marines.
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Post by: Lormax
Whoever buys multiple starter boxes, I'll buy a mini rulebook off you immediately. Just PM me please
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Post by: sebster
George Spiggott wrote:This does seem very biased towards the Marines (as usual) I can't help but think that Orks will be seeing their 'stock drop' as new players will play the starter set, and based upon their performance verses the Marines will drop the Orks and play Space Marines (as usual).
Anybody got any ideas of the number of Orks in the box? They've got a lot of points to make up against that Terminator Squad and Dreadnought.
Likely it'll be just like BfM. The models will be used in a variety of scenarios to help beginners learn the rules, and then to give them a start on their armies. They won't be start up armies to fight each other with, as then the two forces in the box would be equal points.
I'm all for complaining about GW, but it's best to stick to their actual screw ups and not make assumptions so you get to complain about it.
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Post by: sebster
temprus wrote:In the USA, it is normally cheaper/better/easier to "pulp"/"destroy" unsold books/product than sell it at sub-prime discounts or to dump it at cheap wholesalers because of the way accounting write offs work here. Giving them away for free normally can't be written off (at least not at the level we would probably be talking about in this case).
Where are you getting that from? And are you talking from a tax or financial accounting perspective? Either way write-offs allow for the same expense as pulping... it's all just a hit to inventory. Giving books away potentially carries tax complications, but if done properly you still get to make the claim.
Pulping and crushing has everything to do with the costs of distribution and retail (which besides overhead and creative work are the bulk of costs, production itself is nearly irrelevant) being greater than the discounted sale price. That is, shipping the old boxsets, receiving them in store, recording that whole process, advertising the discounted sale of the old sets and recording the sales is more expensive than the discounted price. Especially when the sale of old boxes will be competing with the sales of box sets of marines, stealers and gaunts still in production.
Of course, there's inventory that's in store when it becomes obselete. Old metal stuff replaced by newer plastic sets, that's already incurred the costs of distribution and storage... that GW stores do flog off in auctions and raffles.
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Post by: ian00107
What was the name of the box set before macragge, I've been looking for it on ebay. I finnaly found one that was unopened and had some limmited edition force commander, but I lost with like 30 secs left.
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Post by: yakface
The third edition boxed set (and the 2nd edition set for that matter) didn't have any official name.
Ian, please try to refrain from dragging up a thread that is over a month old, especially when dealing with a news thread.
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