My first impression is "damn, this thing really is 30lbs.!"



Opening the carrying case...





The 2'x2' panels are really sturdy and seem like they could take a lot of punishment.



There's tons of detail all over the tiles, mostly skulls and bones...





Here's a quick set up in a 6'x4' configuration (nothing new) and a 4'x4' configuration...




Size comparison...






And a models eye view... (You can see my latest project in the background - Genesis Chapter Dreadnought.)



A few more notes:

Rolling Dice - Thankfully the surface of the RoBG is firm and is very pleasant to roll dice on. No bouncing!

Pack Up - Getting all of the tiles back into the case is super easy. I didn't have to struggle or try to solve some puzzle to make it fit.

The Case - Very thick and sturdy. I don't feel like the tiles are going to rip it if one catches on the material.

~As for the skull pits... I was beside myself when all I saw were pictures, so I don't blame anyone for disliking them, but once you see the board in person, they're not so bad. Besides, they can be covered up with a crater or some other piece of scenery.

god that pit of skulls is ugly.....


still seems to pricey for something you have to paint and flock yourself....

Great pics. And that thing is only $290? What a deal!

olympia wrote:Great pics. And that thing is only $290? What a deal!

Sir I don't know where that is a deal.

I got mine and like it a lot!!!! I want two more flat board to make a more open terrain. I hope someone sells the boards individually on ebay. I might still get a second board to play bigger games on. I am really not interested in a foam board which gets gouged all the time. This board is superior.

Foam board is $12 US. The sheet is 4x8' so you cut off 2' at one end. You then take the 2' section you cut off and scupt it with a hot wire knife ($30-40US), or a sharp utility knife ($5-10US), to make hills. You glue those hills to the board with some white glue, or you do the smart thing, and leave the off.

Total cost $17-$62.

If you want it to snap together you can buy some dowel rods, and poke some holes in it. Maybe about $5-10.

If you want a carry case, just buy a Sterlite plastic tub at wally world, $10-20.

Really I don't see the deal here, unless you've got no spare time. It's a very nice product, I've love to have one if the price was about a 1/3 of what it is, but I don't believe that it's a good value for the money.

Saw one being played with at my FLGS a few days ago. The skull pits were the source of much amusement..."most planets have magma under the planet crust, but in 40k the tectonic plates float on a sea of skulls"

The board I saw was obviously fairly new, and already the outer corners were white from plastic fatigue a some were slightly split. Might look nice painted, I suppose, but not worth the cost IMO.

I honestly kind of like the board. Maybe I'll pick one up. Despite some negative readings people give, it seems worthwhile.

Its unfortunate that they didn't include something rather then sheets of plastic so that the boards don't rub together in transport, I can see flock and paint rubbing off pretty easily during storage/ transportation.

Got mine on friday. I've basecoated and painted rocks so far. Next step is the endless skulls....

Oh, and I put a tea towel between sections when storing.

My pixie-sized girl lugged that thing around town for me as a surprise. That carrying strap isn't that useful.

Weight aside the sections are nicely done, with exception of those bloody skull pits dotting them. Thankfully they can easily be covered up with some of those vac-formed craters.

It seems the problems I have with the board are all down to price. It looks OK and does its job pretty well. A good piece of design.

But it isn't perfect, and for £150 I would expect something gold-standard perfect.

For £75 - £100 I would be prepared to compromise, but for £150... it is just too much for something that isn't perfect in every way.

It seems the endemic GW disease. They produce a "good enough" product, but then price it as if it was world-beating, when it simply isn't.

If you have £150 lying about with nothing better to do with it, then its a good enough purchase and will save you time and give you a nice playing surface. Personally though I can think of a whole load of better uses for £150 - such as buying into Uncharted Seas for instance.

it was stated in the WD [yes i can hear you, "OMG you actually buy that S***] that they were working on making themed tiles, eg river or really rocky and so on.

As stated above the real problem is the price, im a student in OZ and it costs over $500AUD and i just dont have that much money, and i always spend money on building my armies rather than save for stuff like that

My local GW has done one up painted and flocked to use as one of the gaming tables in store.

It looks nice, and they have been selling quite a few but its too rich for my taste, and I prefer the (more) flexibility of a flat board with moveable terrain, to anywhere on the table.

Glad you like it. The price is too steep for me.

200 euros is dirty expensive... I just got a circular table and a couple chairs in full plastic for my 2 year old son at ikea's for 1/4 of that price... There's no justification for that price tag... well there is its GW's.

Looks good, but way too expensive for what it is. Even if I was daft enough to fork out the £150, my girlfriend would go spare. Come to think of it, she went spare at the weekend when I bought an Ork Trukk for £18, so God knows what her reaction would be.

My friend and I are going down the MDF route - a 4' by 6' board for £10.

I would like to get one, but that a crap load of cash right now. I have a fully functional board but this would be nice to create quick battlefields.

Not a big fan of all the skulls, but a little green stuff can cover those easily enough.

Yeah those skull pits can also be turned into cool little mini swamps and bogs

My preface: I don't think it's worth the price.

Now, without addressing the price issue...

I played in a tournament at MiniatureMarket here in St. Louis on Friday (yep. the very same "MiniatureMarket.com") and had the opportunity to see this thing up close & personal.

It's VERY nice. The attention to detail is really good, the host of possible configurations is a relief, and the skull pits aren't THAT bad.

Yes, they seem excessive when taken into account with the skulls that GW puts on everything else... but (as has been stated), they're EASILY covered with other terrain pieces. Additionally, with a little black base coat, covered by some browns & whites, the skulls will look really nice when covered with a blood-tinted coat of Water Effects.

I look forward to the opportunity to play there in the future on the table (it was fresh out of the box at the time).


Eric

I actually picked 2 on Friday, I worked out a deal with a local store. I don't regret for a minute the amount I paid. I see them as a very flexible table system I can use for a bunch of games with a little work. The skulls and bones will be removed and they will just be plain creaves. The reason I got 2, is that I figured GW won't release the rumored expansion pieces so I wanted the additional sections for variety.

Yes, I know I could have spent a lot less and made them myself, but I didn't want too, and I had the disposable income.

If you want, I can give you my paypal info if you get any more income you'd like to dispose of

I still want one of those boards, but it's not something I'll be able to afford till this winter or spring, if it's even still for sale then... But I think it would be nice if they could sell the tiles separately and maybe make additional ones later on to add to the set.

And now, unpainted miniatures can battle on a field of unpainted plastic, filled with unpainted skulls!

I'm glad some folks will like it. I agree with Flashman and many others who remind us that building a table need not be prohibitively expensive, and frankly, painting the table will take as much time as a bit of foamboard or mdf or whatever anyway.

If you really want to buy something, War-Zone's boards are half as much (though being blue foam boards, might have some fragility issues if not handled well), and Zuzzy's roll-up vinyl terrain has received numerous kudos for a fraction of the price (yes, you have to paint them, but you have to pain the GW board too).

EDIT: now with links!
http://war-zone.com/
http://theterrainguy.com/
http://www.zuzzy.com/

I don't see how it's worth the price either. I'd rather spend $300cdn on my armies. But that's mainly because I like building my own terrain. To each there own I suppose.

Stupidly expensive... I don't have any spare tools handy, though a premade gaming board is something that interests me but I would never ever buy that thing.
Bring me some wood and I would rather saw something together with my cutter then pay for that game board...

Greets
Schepp himself

lintovich and schepp, I agree with both of you. How can anyone in their right mind call this thing a deal? I MADE two gaming tables out of plywood, elmers glue, and coarse sand. Total cost for two 6X4 tables: $80.00. The choice is simple: buy an awesome 2000 point army or pay for this gaming board.........

Schepp himself wrote:Stupidly expensive... I don't have any spare tools handy, though a premade gaming board is something that interests me but I would never ever buy that thing.
Bring me some wood and I would rather saw something together with my cutter then pay for that game board...

At that price you can buy the tools AND save money! It's like win win win!

For me... the reason I want one is I don't and won't have the space to build my own and saw and cut and flock a big table without making a huge mess that I can't sweep up easily. Plus, I just want something that looks really great that I can paint up myself instead of having a hunk of flocked plywood and cheapy foam hills. And the #1 thing is portability.. I can stash it somewhere like the bottom of a closet, and then when it's time to get a game in I can set it up quick and easy in my dining room or kitchen. Yep, I can buy 2x2 plywood squares at home depot and sew my own carrying case, I just don't wanna When I get my new place I'll have a room with my game stuff in it, but it probably won't be big enough for a game table as well as it will have to double as an exercise room and probably office too. So since space will be an issue for me, this seems like the best option. It's not cheap, but I know I'll personally get my money's worth.

I just hope it's still available when I'm finally ready for it.

Christ, could you people please stop it already? We know you can do it cheaper, hurrah.

Thanks for the pics, it looks great. I should be able to get one myself in about two weeks or so can't wait.

Necros wrote:If you want, I can give you my paypal info if you get any more income you'd like to dispose of

I still want one of those boards, but it's not something I'll be able to afford till this winter or spring, if it's even still for sale then... But I think it would be nice if they could sell the tiles separately and maybe make additional ones later on to add to the set.

Oddly it was disposed of already.

The flat tiles look to be about 3/8" thick. I already have plans to make additional tiles.

Sorry guy's my armies have been painted to years and seldom do I roll out any models that are unpainted. So in a few weeks I'll post up images of my painted tables. My airbrush should make this pretty easy.

I see ease of storage and time to make the board are both issues for some people.

-I made my tables with a friend in one afternoon.
-it was done in a garage with newspaper on the floor, cleanup took less then an hour.
-The tables were built without legs. When they are not used they can simply slide behind my dresser. Thus, they take up as much room as a large picture frame or mirror.

Reasons to not make your own and spend exhorbitant sums of money on a pointless product: none.

markoseugene wrote:I see ease of storage and time to make the board are both issues for some people.

-I made my tables with a friend in one afternoon.
-it was done in a garage with newspaper on the floor, cleanup took less then an hour.
-The tables were built without legs. When they are not used they can simply slide behind my dresser. Thus, they take up as much room as a large picture frame or mirror.

Reasons to not make your own and spend exhorbitant sums of money on a pointless product: none.

I find this somewhat elitist. I have a pressboard board that I built. It folds away into a 2'x4' folded section. It has 6 hinges to hold the boards together and a padded felt cover. I also have the new GW Gameboard and find it superior to the board I made. For one my wife can not carry the folded board, but can easily carry the GW board. This is important as she plays also. I have the folded board at school where the Warhammer club plays. It is very heavy to carry back and forth from the car and I leave it at school. I had another board last year, but some of the hinges ripped out of the board and it was destroyed. I have played with foam boards at the flgs for years. I have yet to see any foam piece survive more than a few games before the dents, dings, and gouges begin to take their toll. There is little fear of this with the plastic board.

In either case (foam or wood board) there is a l;arge amount of terrain that must be carried to play on the board. The GW board has hills already included which will bring the amount of terrain I need to carry less. I have played on wood boards, I have played on foam boards and the new GW board is better. It is no different in price than a FW piece. If you have such a problem with the prices then don't play such an expensive hobby. Collecting dried flowers is pretty cheap and you don't need a board.

You make no statement to back up your claim that my comment is in any way elitist. Are you trying to imply, through your rambling comment, that it is elitist to use hobby skills to actually MAKE a board? I will respond based on this logic:

I didnt build a board made out of foam nor does the board I made fold up. Funny how you missed that entire section of my comment.

You seem to imply the ready made hills provide sufficient terrain and that much more terrain is not needed. Have you actually played any of GW's systems? The hills on the realm of battle game board are not enough and will only lessen the amount of terrain needed by only a small fraction.

You say the new board is simply "better than playing on a wood or foam board" with no supporting information. Is the new board better because of its texture, the skulls sculpted on it or because it costs so much?

Get back to me with some compelling statements and we can talk further.

Oh, and I will leave the tulip picking up to you.

markoseugene wrote: The choice is simple: buy an awesome 2000 point army or pay for this gaming board.........

Thats the thing that you and a lot of other people in this thread don't seem to be getting.
For a lot of us, there is no choice to be made.
We'll take every single army we want, AND the gaming board if we so wish.

There is no either/or... there is no "what else could I buy with that money?", We'll take them both thanks!

proximity wrote:

markoseugene wrote: The choice is simple: buy an awesome 2000 point army or pay for this gaming board.........

Thats the thing that you and a lot of other people in this thread don't seem to be getting.
For a lot of us, there is no choice to be made.
We'll take every single army we want, AND the gaming board if we so wish.

There is no either/or... there is no "what else could I buy with that money?", We'll take them both thanks!

and for those of us that work and study the board saves me the time of building one which I have been promising for two years. Mind you, if I buy it, I wonder how long it will stay grey!

markoseugene wrote:I see ease of storage and time to make the board are both issues for some people.

-I made my tables with a friend in one afternoon.
-it was done in a garage with newspaper on the floor, cleanup took less then an hour.
-The tables were built without legs. When they are not used they can simply slide behind my dresser. Thus, they take up as much room as a large picture frame or mirror.

Reasons to not make your own and spend exhorbitant sums of money on a pointless product: none.

Your logic does not open this up to discussion. Of course there are no GOOD reasons to spend
money on a pointless product. The point of people in contention with you is that they do not
find the product pointless. What's pointless is that the product is a one-shot deal.

Reasons to not make your own spend and spend large sums of money:

-This magical thing called a garage is not accessible to all people.
-If you want to build a table in pieces, squaring them properly is an issue, especially
for someone who can't operate a level properly and earned a C in wood shop (ie, me)
-For storage and transport, pieces are best. We spent an entire Saturday this summer
trying to figure out how to truck a table from Lincoln Square out to Oak Park when xenite's
van broke down.
-Connecting pieces bridges the gap between sturdiness and transport.


Interlocking plastic solves a lot of things.

Did I pay for one? No. I don't like how GW handled this product from its pricing to its
future expandability, so I didn't buy one. I made sure to call various GWs, or visit, and
look excited until they mentioned the price increase. But I will not slam those who
see value in this product especially if they're going through the trouble of writing up reviews
for those of us who haven't gotten one.

Reading posts about how you could do a better job with duct tape and some bubble
gum gets tiring. Please deal with the original post or discuss the actual product rather
than extend your tape measures every time you want to get all Home Improvement
on those of us who are/were interested in this product. Better yet, create articles for
the totally clueless about how to make a table that does a similar thing as the GW one
and I'm sure it'll be impressive.

Still, such articles would be in a separate post or thread. Not this one.

Well, put rather simply...I don't believe this product is aimed at veterans that cruise discussion boards. Its for the younger gamers that typically play on kitchen tables with syrup bottles and pop cans as terrain. This gives them a easily stored, quick setup that mom won't mind...but will still look great (and encourage the hobby aspect more). Good release.

Lets weigh the pro's and con's of the gameboard.

Pro's:
+ overall decent quality
+ rugged and durable
+ modular
+ portable
+ carrying case
+ easy set up
+ easy break down
+ easy storage

Con's
- heavy

Things that are PERSONAL TASTE!
~ skull pits

Things that are RELATIVE!
~ price

If your only gripe about the gameboard is its price then you have no valid point to make because 'expense' is a relative term.

AgeOfEgos wrote:Well, put rather simply...I don't believe this product is aimed at veterans that cruise discussion boards. Its for the younger gamers that typically play on kitchen tables with syrup bottles and pop cans as terrain. This gives them a easily stored, quick setup that mom won't mind...but will still look great (and encourage the hobby aspect more). Good release.

I have to disagree with this. I feel like it's a product for every level of GW 'player' maybe not hardcore hobby 'enthusiasts' aka the ones that are all about building their own. Besides, who doesn't like gaming on some nice terrain?

Major Thom wrote:
The flat tiles look to be about 3/8" thick. I already have plans to make additional tiles.

Any way off getting exact measurements of the thickness?? (inches/mm)

I actually just asked this question earlier in the discussion forum on the true thickness of the boards...
I'm considering maybe in the future buying the GW boards but before that I will build some City Scape
boards made of MDF and want to make sure that they will be compatible with the GW plastic boards.

oni wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:Well, put rather simply...I don't believe this product is aimed at veterans that cruise discussion boards. Its for the younger gamers that typically play on kitchen tables with syrup bottles and pop cans as terrain. This gives them a easily stored, quick setup that mom won't mind...but will still look great (and encourage the hobby aspect more). Good release.

I have to disagree with this. I feel like it's a product for every level of GW 'player' maybe not hardcore hobby 'enthusiasts' aka the ones that are all about building their own. Besides, who doesn't like gaming on some nice terrain?

*Shrug*, really? Anecdotal evidence incoming...but I just can't see any of the players I've been around purchasing this. I'm all about gaming on nice terrain...but really this isn't that great of terrain. It's selling features to me are; Transport, storage and little work. Most of the vet gamers I know either have a store/rec room to play at and rather make their own. Anecdotal though, I could very well be wrong regarding the target audience!

It's ~3/8"

The only thing that has stopped me from getting one is the "how to make the siege of vraks" table guide in the forgeworld modeling mastercraft or what ever it's called book.

Flip side is: It probably wont cost less, it wont be transportable, and will be a million times more difficult to work.

The board looks good and I would buy one if I could convince myself to spend the money for it. Some people like hobby projects or building terrain, but I am not one of them. I like how cool it is.

I place the board in the same catagory as Forgeworld stuff: Really awesome but currently out of my price range.

I find it hard to believe that other hobby tools of GW are called outrageously overpriced and a gaming table for 200€ is called "relatively expensive".

I'm more of a saver when it comes to miniature gaming, for others it isn't that much money. To each his own. But For me personally, it's trying to make money of the people that don't know better (aka younger folks?).

"Hey guys, you can buy this gaming board and various hills and buildings for 350€ and have some super awesome playing table!!!1!! (but we could alternatively give you some tutorials to build all this stuff for a fraction of the costs, but we won't...)"

I don't blame any company of doing this, but I don't support such things. Correct me if I'm wrong please.

Greets
Schepp himself

P.S. Imo, the buildings and other terrain pieces by GW are somewhat reasonably priced.

GW has released tutorials for building tables in the past.

markoseugene wrote:I see ease of storage and time to make the board are both issues for some people.

-I made my tables with a friend in one afternoon.
-it was done in a garage with newspaper on the floor, cleanup took less then an hour.
-The tables were built without legs. When they are not used they can simply slide behind my dresser. Thus, they take up as much room as a large picture frame or mirror.

Reasons to not make your own and spend exhorbitant sums of money on a pointless product: none.

I work 11 a.m. to 8:30 p.m. on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. I work 11 a.m. to 7:30 p.m. Thursdays (to allow for my Vet Night gaming) Fridays it's 9 a.m. to 5 p.m., Saturdays 11 a.m. to 5 p.m.

Add into this that I have a flat to tend to, meals to cook, washing to do, plus an annoyingly active social life, and you'll see I don't have a lot of time on my hands to dedicate to making a board. Nor do I have tranportation to allow me to get the various materials home.

Nor am I particularly adept at making things. I can paint my models nicely enough, and it's taken a mere 16 years to get to a level I find acceptable..

Ergo, reasons to buy, as you put it, a 'pointless product' for me at least are many and varied. I know I can build one cheaper, but I have neither the time, the ability or in the inclination to do so.

Plus, having a fellow gamer as a flatmate means I will soon get my monies worth out of it!

Overall the GW products are all expensive, specially when you compare with similar (and many times much better) products from other companies... Its no big news, everyone knows this.

But this table pushes things to the ridiculous level... its just 6 pieces of plastic, not a cellphone, or a playstation were you pay for the innovative chips etc... its just 6 pieces of raw plastic with a bit of texture on them. The example I gave with ikea table was just a standpoint to how much more plastic and with a complex design/form is priced so low there.

I'm not debating if for some its something they wish to spend the money or not ( its their choice... and yay or nay is equally valid) Im debating that for what it his ( 6 pieces of plastic) is not only overpriced like all gw products but its bordering the ridiculous frontier.

Nevertheless many thanks for the review and sorry if I keep puting the price debate on the table but I do think, that even if relative, the price of a product is one of the most important aspects when avaluating debating products.

Price pales into insignificance next to *value*.

However, I am the first to admit value is what you make of it. I'm getting me one of these, because it means I can then game more than once a week. This is obviously a sound investment for me. YMMV of course, but to rubbish it because of the price is a little short sighted.

It's a good investment for those looking for an easy and ready to use solution with little time or space.

This conversation is, in my opinion degenerating too much into the 'those who can make one, wont buy one'... but I got one and I have built every piece of terrain and table for my workplace and I dare say, they are of pretty damn high quality. But that also takes a lot of time and effort and I honestly can say that perhaps even as high as 9 people out of 10 are -not- willing to put the same time and effort and love into their terrain as they are to their miniatures or just as likely, they cannot. This is all naturally a question of making priorities and being a lover of not just one but many games, my priority easily slips to building, modifying, sculpting and painting of miniatures rather than terrain but at the same time, I find it moot to have those lovingly worked-on models and then be fighting on my living room table with them. So for me, the simple question is time and effort and for me, the math is simple: Time is more important to me than money in the stage I am in now and in that case, I am willing to pay the piper, even knowing that there is a level of effort that goes into making this product tableworthy, but the effort is considerably less than for an identical terrain with the same features (modular, detailed, etc) where the building time and effort would be much larger. And this -is- from six years of, what could be referred to as professional terrain building experience backed with 22 years of hobby experience.

I tried not to brag and to keep the emotional responses to a minimum but felt that this topic needed my voice as well.

I hope it gives a different perspective on the obviously fiery subject.

proximity wrote:

markoseugene wrote: The choice is simple: buy an awesome 2000 point army or pay for this gaming board.........

Thats the thing that you and a lot of other people in this thread don't seem to be getting.
For a lot of us, there is no choice to be made.
We'll take every single army we want, AND the gaming board if we so wish.

There is no either/or... there is no "what else could I buy with that money?", We'll take them both thanks!

QFT

If you want to buy this product, I hope you got what you wanted. It's GW, so price shouldn't shock you.

Looks tight, comes in a nifty carrying case, and you get to buy as many as you wish.
I hope they sell them by the square, they might get a better reception from the overall public, but If you got what you wanted, congratz to you!

I like the skulls.

On the subject of the price increase.....

From what I've been told, the first few batches weren't up to scratch, so down in stock they raised the price. This isn't to say it's going to drop at all, just shining a very dim light.

Just out of interest, what do the buyers of the new GW battle board plan to rest it on? ... another large board perhaps? So the arguement for it replacing your old heavy board is void isn't it? Whether you make it out of cheap foam or use the nice shiney GW one, you still need a board

Genoside07 wrote:

Major Thom wrote:
The flat tiles look to be about 3/8" thick. I already have plans to make additional tiles.

Any way off getting exact measurements of the thickness?? (inches/mm)

I actually just asked this question earlier in the discussion forum on the true thickness of the boards...
I'm considering maybe in the future buying the GW boards but before that I will build some City Scape
boards made of MDF and want to make sure that they will be compatible with the GW plastic boards.

I see Oni took care of this. Thanks.

BTW, I'm a veteran. Been playing 40K since RT.

Wolfstan wrote:Just out of interest, what do the buyers of the new GW battle board plan to rest it on? ... another large board perhaps? So the arguement for it replacing your old heavy board is void isn't it? Whether you make it out of cheap foam or use the nice shiney GW one, you still need a board

On the dining table in my room I use for painting, which when fully extended allows a comfortable overhang for an appropriately sized board!

I've made two gaming tables in the past, but i could see myself buying one of these. I do think the price is a little high, but who knows, if sales stagnate maybe they will drop the price or offer some kind of bundle. I feel like this is one of those purchases I could make and be a little leery at the time but years down the line I would be patting myself on the back for a smart purchase. Those two tables I have built in the past - I don't have them anymore because I moved to places where I could not take them with me - that's already $120.00 down the drain. Take care of these new GW boards and it could be the last game table you have to buy.

some online retailers are selling the Citadel Realm of Battle Gameboard for under $200.00 USD

Could I just quickly point out that across several forums, there have been quite a few people showing that you can make your own board for a fraction of the price.

Now, no offense to the people doing this, but so far they really have proven the old adage "you get what you pay for". They may have made the tables for a fraction of the cost, but from an outside perspective, it also has a fraction of the visual appeal (i.e. quality).

The only chance anyone has of making a table that looks better would be to invest an amount of time and materials that would not make it cheaper at all, and it's not going to be "modular" or easy to store.

I think the Citadel Board will really come into it's own when (or indeed if, needs to be viable for them) they start doing the expansion sections.

Then you have a nice modular board system to suit a variety of battles, without having to make lots and lots of seperate terrain pieces.

Least, thats the theory!

Wolfstan wrote:Just out of interest, what do the buyers of the new GW battle board plan to rest it on? ... another large board perhaps? So the arguement for it replacing your old heavy board is void isn't it? Whether you make it out of cheap foam or use the nice shiney GW one, you still need a board

Well what I like about it is you can use it anywhere... if you don't already have a table to properly play on, you can set it up on the floor.. or on your mom's kitchen or dining room table, or even on a bed. Then just pack it up when the game is over

I dislike modular set ups a lot, because they look nice but for a gamer it isn't that useful.
Still, if people think it's a good buy, by all means keep my plastic crack providers afloat!

it would be nice if they had it available in smaller sections, like sell it as a 4x4 board and then have expansion tiles come as a set of 2 so you can make your "starter" 4x4 a 6x4 and then a 4x8.

There have been countless threads across all the hobby related boards debating the price issue. yes we all know it is possible to make a board for less. but some people dont care, dont want to make their own, or dont have the space/tools to do so.

as to the amount of terrain issue, for 40k you are right, the hills alone are not enough, but for fantasy, all you would need is perhaps a small wood or modular hill and yes, this board would then provide all the other terrain needed.

lets please keep this thread for discussing the actual plastic boards. People that have them:

1)have any of you seen any warpage(it is large plastic pieces afterall)
2)have you had any problems with the clips that hold the sections together?
3)have any of you taken pics of the stages as you paint your board?
4)For those of you who dont like the skull pits, do you have any pics showing how you covered them?
5)for people who like the skulls(chaos/undead players?) any pics of how you painted them?
6)what solutions have you come up with to prevent paint rub while in transport(wtf is a tea towel. i'm a dumb american bachelor. i dont know these things)
7)did you prime the board and paint existing texture, or did you sand the board? OP pics show a lot more texture on the plastic flats than i expected.

i am especially interested in any pics of moonscape/chaos ash waste paint schemes.

I picked up mine the other weekend as well, and I really rather like it. I would point out that if Mikhaila here hadn't hooked me up with one for 200$, I wouldn't have bought it. (As it was, I zipped on down, and got a nice tour of his lovely store to boot!) Still, I am glad I did, because it really is a nifty bit of plastic.

The hills look good, and are just high enough to hide a rhino behind 100%. I haven't fully painted or flocked it yet, since I haven't decided whether I want it more wilderness looking or more city scape looking, but I am fairly confident I can pull off either pretty well. Currently I am leaning towards desert scrub land, since using it for Legends of the Old West would be fun.
There are really a lot of skulls. One can not really talk about the table without saying that, but they could very easily be filled in or covered with terrain. I left mine there, though I think they went a little overboard with the mass grave thing.

Personally, I am hoping they come out with expansion tiles, with city blocks, rivers or other tiered features. Really, that is 60% of the reason I bought it, since I sort of intend to make those sorts of things myself, but have little extra time for such things, and less motivation since I would much rather be painting and sculpting on troops and such.

Price wise, it is salty, but I think everyone is capable of deciding whether having a table like that for their home use is worth it. I have a decent table currently, but I think this one will make a nice addition, and I can even take it over to Shrew's place when we game there due to him watching his kids. Being able to supply some nice terrain for your games at your over worked buddy's place is a nice thing

Belize: I will try and get some pictures of mine posted. So far I have primed it black, then did a light over spray of brown. Took a few hours, but 90% of that was drying time in the garage; it's winter here, and the space heater doesn't bump it much above 50-60 in there.

Da Boss wrote:I dislike modular set ups a lot, because they look nice but for a gamer it isn't that useful.

I'm curious about this sentiment... can you elaborate on it? I don't understand how a modular setup isn't useful to a gamer?

I think the board does indeed look good, and I hope to see people use it... I'd never buy it, as I've no need to own my own table, especially for the price, but it seems like a well made idea, and once there are some expansion sets out, I hope it sees alot of use.

belize13 wrote:lets please keep this thread for discussing the actual plastic boards. People that have them:

1)have any of you seen any warpage(it is large plastic pieces afterall)
2)have you had any problems with the clips that hold the sections together?
3)have any of you taken pics of the stages as you paint your board?
4)For those of you who dont like the skull pits, do you have any pics showing how you covered them?
5)for people who like the skulls(chaos/undead players?) any pics of how you painted them?
6)what solutions have you come up with to prevent paint rub while in transport(wtf is a tea towel. i'm a dumb american bachelor. i dont know these things)
7)did you prime the board and paint existing texture, or did you sand the board? OP pics show a lot more texture on the plastic flats than i expected.

1. No warpage on my sections, nor any funky lines, flash or other things that plague the average GW kit
2. The clips are a little wonky at first but with the proper manoeuvring and pushing the tiles can be clipped together easily enough
4. We're covering ours up with the vac-formed craters for 40k and the fantasy buildings and woods when playing Mordheim, maybe in the long run I'll try my hand at greenstuffing the three larger pits into dirt or cracked rock instead
6. Thin bubble wrap plastic does the trick for us (we don't use our precious tea towels )
7. We didn't prime it instead we applied several thin coats of brown included in the paint set, the big flat brush is a big help, if a little hard to use on all the nooks and crannies, especially with all those fecking skulls and cracks everywhere

ONOZ... WHERE'D THE SKULL PITS GO?

Lol, nice one Oni.

see thats what i was thinking. paint up the skulls and have the ground be ashen wastelands to suit my fantasy demons/undead and then plop down some moonscape craters or buildings and presto moonscape 40k board.

why yes i do want to take a grey plastic piece, paint it black and then paint it grey.... why do you ask?

Prometheum: Well, modular limits your terrain configurations considerably, which as a gamer is annoying because it limits your tactical choices.
Also, some games like warmachine have rules for placing terrain which a modular board makes it impossible to obey.
Basically, I prefer a flat board that I put my own hills and stuff on. It's more flexible and allows for more variation.
I can see the attraction of modular stuff to people for whom looks are more important, or shops, or people with a lot of space for multiple boards, but I prefer utility over looks.
I do love the citadel woods though, pity the new LOS rules render thier most useful feature obsolete.

Chiming in here too, but I have made quite a few boards over the years, most of them very weighty and unwieldy for me. They did about the same thing this plastic board does, but either they were tough and too heavy or weak and light. This is rather tough and light. My Gf's 12 year old boy can get this out of the closet, carry it upstairs and set it up on the kitchen table. When done, it folds away and goes back out in the garage. Any of the board setups I have had in the past he couldn't deal with, or I couldn't trust him with. This is a really great product for those like me that are gypsy gamers and now we have a board to drag around to different places to play on. The worth is really all up to you. Long term is what I am wondering. will this still be a usable table three years from now?

Wolfstan wrote:Just out of interest, what do the buyers of the new GW battle board plan to rest it on? ... another large board perhaps? So the arguement for it replacing your old heavy board is void isn't it? Whether you make it out of cheap foam or use the nice shiney GW one, you still need a board

I got three of these for the table part of the table: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=7679248

Deathklaat wrote:some online retailers are selling the Citadel Realm of Battle Gameboard for under $200.00 USD

Who? Links please!

yeah,
I'm getting my board today or tommorrow.
I already have a decent table, but I think this will trumph it, the detail looks awesome. and the quality is reported to be there.

Modular.
I'm a gamer and I have to have modular tables, I don't want a static board. and this looks like the hills can be moved around enough to offer lots of tactical play.
I'd have been happier if they supplied 8 tiles total, 2 extra blank/flat tiles...
I'd still have played with 6 tiles in most games... but the extra flex would have been welcome.

Mobility.
a massive dissapointment for me is that the board doesn't spport it's own weight when connected. Being portable is worthless If you can't find a table big enough to support it.
I'll need to keep my game board to go under the battle table... my old game board isn't portable so if i can't find a table where i'm going i wont be able to play there.
there are probabily lots of other locations I'm not thinking of?
But i can think of three options:

a Friends house

a Pub! althought I've played blood bowl openly in my local Pub and the number of interuptions (what's that? is it like chess?) annoyed me... But alot of Pubs have private rooms you can book for free (as long as your drinking!) or fairly cheap.

at work either in the office or in a meeting room.

Cost.
I agree that the board costs alot of money, £150 is alot to most people and a big investment. Most Under 16s will struggle to find this money and have to save to get one. It could have been cheaper, but I don't think that it's Overpriced! Look at the costs involved in this hobby? it's a expensive hobby. and in the Long run I figure the table will add value to my games. And offers a good investment to all... Plastic vs Wood, I think you'll get more of your plastic investment back should you want to sell it.

The Vet issue...
I think of myself as a vet and This is how i look at it... Most Vets Have a ton of unpainted mini's stored away, so they don't see this table as something directly competing with getting a new army... In fact I have three unpainted 40k armys awaiting paint, so I look at buying this table as a way of buying something new for the hobby that isn't adding to my mini unpainted masses!

New Gamers...
For new gamers it's a choice, but it's good to have options!?
It's a one off outlay... but If you can't afford the board or want to concentrate on getting your men, get a MDF board and battle Mat. the important thing is to get gaming. my existing table was cheap and has served me well.

Let our Powers Combine!
The other point I havn't seen mentioned much is that the modular aspect allows multiple tables to be seemlessly connected.
Meet up with 2-3 gamers with tables and have a massive 12'+ Long Table.
In WD this month (WD348UKdec08) the tale of 4 gamers play a apoc game on 2 battle boards (12tiles) connected in a T shape. It looks awesome. So i'll be nudging my fellow gamers towards a board!

Expansions...
I've got hopes for offical tiles. roads/rivers/citystreets/smaller hils.
Saying that custom 2'x2' additions wont be hard to make.
I also expect to see a number of spare tiles and third party additions appearing on eBay.

Panic...

Again, I just need to say something....

Isnt buying this AGREGIOUSLY priced product reinforcing the GW idea of: "regardless of price, they will buy it." Yes, I know the arguments about how our hobby is expensive and such. All the rationalizations given to purchasing this product really dont seem to make sense.

-people dont have time to make their own table: how long does it take to play several 40K games again?
-There is no space to store it: its really impossible to slide a 4X6 piece of plywood behind a dresser?
-It cant be transported: no one you know owns a truck? Alright, you may be able to get me here, transportation of a pre-made table is difficult without a truck. So thats it, the only downfall.

The pre moulded hills was something I'd not thought about until mentioned here. It does all look very nice, especially after seeing one painted up in my local GW store, but the hills do mean that your battlefield will always have to have hills, unlike the skulls, which can be covered (as shown). Themed boards usually have a WOW factor when you look at them and the GW is up there at the top of the list when it comes to the WOW factor, but it is still a themed board. What happens when you get bored with this £150 themed board and want to have a City fight board?

I feel that GW should of gone the route of producing some of the Forgeworld scenery in plastic, giving you more variety on the battlefield. Roads and rivers would of been nice. Or maybe produce textured foam tiles with no hills on them, which can be painted up in whatever style you want. This way your battlefield is neutral and can be setup as you want.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Price pales into insignificance next to *value*.

However, I am the first to admit value is what you make of it. I'm getting me one of these, because it means I can then game more than once a week. This is obviously a sound investment for me. YMMV of course, but to rubbish it because of the price is a little short sighted.

Price determines a big slice of the "value"

Rubbish something you consider ridiculous overpriced even by GW standarts is short sighted? That probably makes sense in your wonderfull world of " those who have diferent views are short sighted" but sorry to bring the bad news to your parade... Not buying 6 pieces of plastic silly priced is as valid as buying them.

I think it is alright, but I will put off buying on until they release or even announce new tiles. I don't want hills in every battle I play.

markoseugene wrote:Again, I just need to say something....

Isnt buying this AGREGIOUSLY priced product reinforcing the GW idea of: "regardless of price, they will buy it." Yes, I know the arguments about how our hobby is expensive and such. All the rationalizations given to purchasing this product really dont seem to make sense.

-people dont have time to make their own table: how long does it take to play several 40K games again?
-There is no space to store it: its really impossible to slide a 4X6 piece of plywood behind a dresser?
-It cant be transported: no one you know owns a truck? Alright, you may be able to get me here, transportation of a pre-made table is difficult without a truck. So thats it, the only downfall.

They're not rationalizations. They're reasons. A rationalization is an effort to make something
SEEM reasonable, often to yourself, because you already know that all those reasons are false.
However, they are not deluding themselves. In fact, the price jumps means that I suspect
everyone who bought one thought long and hard about whether or not they had good reasons
to buy it. Really I think this became less of an impulse buy because of the fumbled release.

1. People don't have the time to get the skills to make a similar quality product.
2. People don't necessarily want to put their aborted attempts at plywood tables behind a dresser.
3. I know people who own trucks. They have already made their own tables that they keep in
their homes. Most of them have little or no desire to transport those tables.

Instead of flocking it, could you not use the battle mat, cut to shape and glued down? Would also deal with the pesky skulls nice and quick, even if it's just patches to cover them up.

I think flock would be faster than battlematting it, especially if you want
the battlematting to look nicer than flock.

markoseugene wrote:Again, I just need to say something....

Isnt buying this AGREGIOUSLY priced product reinforcing the GW idea of: "regardless of price, they will buy it." Yes, I know the arguments about how our hobby is expensive and such. All the rationalizations given to purchasing this product really dont seem to make sense.

-people dont have time to make their own table: how long does it take to play several 40K games again?
-There is no space to store it: its really impossible to slide a 4X6 piece of plywood behind a dresser?
-It cant be transported: no one you know owns a truck? Alright, you may be able to get me here, transportation of a pre-made table is difficult without a truck. So thats it, the only downfall.

The point is that people want to buy what they want, and they don't want other people telling them they went and got shafted.

Personnally, I think this product is a matter of taste. It's a luxurey item in this game.
GW's going to make money, regardless if you buy 3 whole armies and DON'T Paint them, or you go buy this, that, and the other thing.
One thing I see thats good about this is that it is an ALTERNATIVE.

Options are always good.
It's one of those things a Hobby club, or Game group could throw in and buy together. Another thing could be a store, gaming hall, or your LGS panning in and getting a few of these to counter the roll of used up felt or worn out battle mats that they leave under the counter until Saturday or Sunday.

I have a couple of 4X4 ft. boards, and an additional 2X4 ft. for my gaming area. I set them up in my garage on Saw horses. It is basicly a stand alone gaimg area for whatever game I want to play. I have a garage, a game room, and the front room to play in if I want to, but most other people I know don't.
Most of the gamers I hear around here have our local gaming clubs, and thier own rooms to play in.
This product will give you a 2X2 board that you can add to, depending on your room to play.
You can go get the Pink Styro boards, do all the extra work, OR you go drop some cash down on this. A ready made, ready to play 2X2 boards to play on right out of the bag.
This thing that GW came out seems to me to be a happy medium between the GW Scenery book, and the Resident GW scenery team.

It is a superior option for those that have the inclination, but not the time. GW products are ALL over priced, but in this hobby, it is a known fact.
Codex's, Armies, Scenery, All of it is expensive on the whole. Personally, The stuff wasn't designed to go in and jump in full with both feet to throw $4,000.00 in on it just to sit around and wonder what you are supposed to do, next.

You buy in incriments, you get more out of it, both in basic quality in your time, and then in designing, building up, and building and painting your stuff up.
Playing is the overall goal, and in this product, the devil is in the details. You get a good product, but you are going to have to pay the price for it.

Your basic statement that it's overprice is an already given. But the fact of the matter is that people are and will buy it.
They will buy it at any price.

malfred wrote:I think flock would be faster than battlematting it, especially if you want
the battlematting to look nicer than flock.

Zuzzy battlemats do seem to have a very nice texture.

Wolfstan wrote:The pre moulded hills was something I'd not thought about until mentioned here. It does all look very nice, especially after seeing one painted up in my local GW store, but the hills do mean that your battlefield will always have to have hills, unlike the skulls, which can be covered (as shown). Themed boards usually have a WOW factor when you look at them and the GW is up there at the top of the list when it comes to the WOW factor, but it is still a themed board. What happens when you get bored with this £150 themed board and want to have a City fight board?

I feel that GW should of gone the route of producing some of the Forgeworld scenery in plastic, giving you more variety on the battlefield. Roads and rivers would of been nice. Or maybe produce textured foam tiles with no hills on them, which can be painted up in whatever style you want. This way your battlefield is neutral and can be setup as you want.

Theme? The board was designed to be as 'generic' as possible without being 6 flat, plain tiles (which probably would be a complete waste of $) as GW intends the RoBG to be used across all of their tabletop games. - Warhammer, Warhammer 40,000, The Lord of the Rings. Which ever you like, which ever you play, even if it's all of them you can use this game board.

My question to you is why is the RoBG unsuitable for Cities of Death? Surely the lack of moulded roads won't prevent this.

NAVARRO wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Price pales into insignificance next to *value*.

However, I am the first to admit value is what you make of it. I'm getting me one of these, because it means I can then game more than once a week. This is obviously a sound investment for me. YMMV of course, but to rubbish it because of the price is a little short sighted.

Price determines a big slice of the "value"

Actually, no it doesn't... value is independant of price, in the sense that the price you are willing to pay is directly related to the value you expect to receive. You don't value something more or less based on the price of it, but are willing to pay a certain price for the value you perceive.

One man's rubbish is another man's little plastic soldiers

I have to say that is a sweet looking piece of plastic. I like the 2x2 configuration.

I like the skulls and things around the edges of the hills. It is a sweet looking piece of terrain.

If / when I do get one of these I don't plan to flock it. Just paint it as is. There's already a slight texture in the flat areas and I really don't wanna be dumping that much flock and baby gravel all over it. Just gonna spray it black and drybrush it with a big brush with some light browns.. I think it'll look just fine like that.

Necros wrote:If / when I do get one of these I don't plan to flock it. Just paint it as is. There's already a slight texture in the flat areas and I really don't wanna be dumping that much flock and baby gravel all over it. Just gonna spray it black and drybrush it with a big brush with some light browns.. I think it'll look just fine like that.

I thought the same as you. But having now flocked it after all, it looks so much better. Plus, on the unflocked board, flying bases tend to slip down the hills...

Wehrkind wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Price pales into insignificance next to *value*.

However, I am the first to admit value is what you make of it. I'm getting me one of these, because it means I can then game more than once a week. This is obviously a sound investment for me. YMMV of course, but to rubbish it because of the price is a little short sighted.

Price determines a big slice of the "value"

Actually, no it doesn't... value is independant of price, in the sense that the price you are willing to pay is directly related to the value you expect to receive. You don't value something more or less based on the price of it, but are willing to pay a certain price for the value you perceive.

One man's rubbish is another man's little plastic soldiers

In the consumist age you live today its a bit naive not to think the price of something gives you status or sense of achievement... as such the price is often more important than the actual object... You do value things based on their price... well you dont if you live with your ermit uncle in the mountains
I'm not saying its a positive or negative thing to behave according to consumist ideals... Im just sayint its the reality these days.

Whats more important for the lady that just got a diamont ring the size of a golf ball... the actual huge diamont or the idea of the obscene price of the diamont? what do you think that makes her feel achieved or what she values the most?

This table value to me is directly linked to its price... I would regret myself forever if i got one at this price and would love this table if it just costed 6 bits of plastic... 1/4 of its price. As is I cannot justify to myself spending almost half of the national minimum wage in just textured plastic...

The table its not rubish its just overpriced. Is like you buy a 99 fiat crappola by the price of a ferrarri... its still a car though.

UltraPrime wrote:I thought the same as you. But having now flocked it after all, it looks so much better. Plus, on the unflocked board, flying bases tend to slip down the hills...

ah.. hmm.. my only real flocking concern is having it get worn off over time or if I use the finer stuff I'd have green hands after every game. ANd the sand & rocks mixtures might make the surface kinda rough and scratchy.

Theme? The board was designed to be as 'generic' as possible without being 6 flat, plain tiles (which probably would be a complete waste of $) as GW intends the RoBG to be used across all of their tabletop games. - Warhammer, Warhammer 40,000, The Lord of the Rings. Which ever you like, which ever you play, even if it's all of them you can use this game board.

My question to you is why is the RoBG unsuitable for Cities of Death? Surely the lack of moulded roads won't prevent this.

Sorry, so hills, skulls and exposed rock aren't a "theme" then? Take a look through the CoD codex and look at the battlefields there, how many include hills? If you were building a CoD board from scratch would you're first thought be, "oh I must have some hills in this city"? Probably not. My "missed" point is that you have to have the hills on your battlefield, whatever game you play, if you use the GW board. You also assume that the person who buys it, has and will use the other 2 systems on it. A company called Battleboards was knocking out double-sided textured blue foam 2 x 2 boards for £20 each. So for £120 you would get enough for 2 different themed battlefields of the same size 6 x 4. It's not knocking the GW board, just pointing out another option.

Wolfstan wrote:

Theme? The board was designed to be as 'generic' as possible without being 6 flat, plain tiles (which probably would be a complete waste of $) as GW intends the RoBG to be used across all of their tabletop games. - Warhammer, Warhammer 40,000, The Lord of the Rings. Which ever you like, which ever you play, even if it's all of them you can use this game board.

My question to you is why is the RoBG unsuitable for Cities of Death? Surely the lack of moulded roads won't prevent this.

Sorry, so hills, skulls and exposed rock aren't a "theme" then? Take a look through the CoD codex and look at the battlefields there, how many include hills? If you were building a CoD board from scratch would you're first thought be, "oh I must have some hills in this city"? Probably not. My "missed" point is that you have to have the hills on your battlefield, whatever game you play, if you use the GW board. You also assume that the person who buys it, has and will use the other 2 systems on it. A company called Battleboards was knocking out double-sided textured blue foam 2 x 2 boards for £20 each. So for £120 you would get enough for 2 different themed battlefields of the same size 6 x 4. It's not knocking the GW board, just pointing out another option.

OK, it has perma-hills and I see what you're getting at, but my point is just because it has hills doesn't rule it completely unusable for CoD games. If it does for you then you are far more hardcore than I.

NAVARRO wrote:
In the consumist age you live today its a bit naive not to think the price of something gives you status or sense of achievement... as such the price is often more important than the actual object... You do value things based on their price... well you dont if you live with your ermit uncle in the mountains
I'm not saying its a positive or negative thing to behave according to consumist ideals... Im just sayint its the reality these days.

Whats more important for the lady that just got a diamont ring the size of a golf ball... the actual huge diamont or the idea of the obscene price of the diamont? what do you think that makes her feel achieved or what she values the most?

This table value to me is directly linked to its price... I would regret myself forever if i got one at this price and would love this table if it just costed 6 bits of plastic... 1/4 of its price. As is I cannot justify to myself spending almost half of the national minimum wage in just textured plastic...

The table its not rubish its just overpriced. Is like you buy a 99 fiat crappola by the price of a ferrarri... its still a car though.

You make a good point, but it does not necessarily apply. It is often true that people want things because they believe it will make them look successful, displaying a symptom of success (money to spend on fancy things). It may well be that some people want this table because it shows off their 40k "bling". I would say it is possible, but rather unlikely, since people usually don't bling out fairly practical things like mail boxes, but rather things that they can use more often to show off, like a necklace or car. In 40k terms, I would say folks are more likely to demonstrate their superior purchasing wang with a pro-painted army, or one of your FABULOUS eldar titans

To your examples, the lady getting the big rock is accepting a payment for her value to the fellow giving it to her, not purchasing it herself for use. She cares about the cost because it expresses a willingness to part with a large value in exchange for her attentions. The fellow purchasing it, however, cares not if the price is cheap, only that he is willing to pay it, and that SHE thinks it looks expensive. The Zirconium market attests to this

Your self loathing if you broke down and bought it for the current (rather high) price is you mourning all the things you didn't buy with the money, and has little to do with the table itself, other than the fact you want all those other things more than you want the table. Buyer's remorse does not stem from not wanting the item they bought, but rather that they traded too many other things for it.

So, I absolutely agree it is not for everyone, but I suspect the wailing and gnashing of teeth about price has much more to do with people wanting one but not wanting to pay that (rather high) price, than people offended that they should be offered the item at the price.

I bought a PS3 instead. I'm not exactly happy about making the decision, but once the
decision was made I promised myself no more regrets.

malfred wrote:I bought a PS3 instead. I'm not exactly happy about making the decision, but once the
decision was made I promised myself no more regrets.

The PS3 is SOoo worth it! Blue-ray FTW! Might I suggest getting Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction - best game EVAR!

yeah,
I picked up my board yesterday, I'll post pictures when I get around to painting it. I might rush painting it, So I can game on it at the weekend.

OT: I beat MetalGearSolid4 yesterday... the stats I got at the end where a little depressing for a stealth game though!Might have to play again....

Panic...

oni wrote:

malfred wrote:I bought a PS3 instead. I'm not exactly happy about making the decision, but once the
decision was made I promised myself no more regrets.

The PS3 is SOoo worth it! Blue-ray FTW! Might I suggest getting Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction - best game EVAR!

xbox 360 > PS3 when it comes to being "worth it"

OT my bros. (2 of them) and me bought a gaming bored roughly shelling out 50 each.

and i must say, definetly worth it. i dunno what the deal with the skulls are but i love it!
and to the one who says you cant play COD wiht the hills, the hills arent THAT high, but i like a city with some hills not just a flat board with buildings.

Don't worry about them. They probably live in Chicago (flatlands!)

perhaps its because I live in california and we are full of mountains, but rarely do I find a flat city with true square city blocks.

an important imperial building placed on the hill would be very common. gives big brother elevation to look down upon the commoners, as well as places the emperor as the highest thing commoners see.

or it could be the creepy building on the hill.... "be good children and pray to the emperor or the inquisitors will come and take you away to the building on the hill for re-education"(cut scene to creepy building on hill backlit by lightning)

if you put both flats on one end, and made a large plateau with the 4 hill sections, you could create the edge of a city battlefield. or flats in the middle with hills in each corner, a factory complex in a valley with watch towers on the hills overlooking.

i'm just saying cities dont have to be on all flat ground. hell try and find any flat ground in san francisco, and that place is a dense city area.

Uh,

Dont like it, and this is why, they will wear down with people leaning on it etc etc.

My main dislike is alot of the sloped and ridges, your minis just slide on down the sleek plastic. If I wanted that I would take my minis to Six Flags Amusement park. They should have somehow textured the surface, so that a good 20% of the surface your minis arent on a Ice skating rink.

Dunno, for that kind of money they better have textured and painted that plastic. We all know that maybe cost them $30 to make each one....

I might be gaming on one later. I'll let you know how slippery they are.

My poor hormagaunts and stealers looked like Nancy Kerigan and Brian Bortano falling over each other on that grey ice rink of a board.

Have you tried on a painted/flocked one?

Chapterhouse wrote:
My main dislike is alot of the sloped and ridges, your minis just slide on down the sleek plastic. If I wanted that I would take my minis to Six Flags Amusement park. They should have somehow textured the surface, so that a good 20% of the surface your minis arent on a Ice skating rink.

Chapterhouse wrote:
Dunno, for that kind of money they better have textured and painted that plastic. We all know that maybe cost them $30 to make each one....

I sincerely doubt it costs them even THAT in materials. The big costs for something like this is probably in the molds.

BigToof wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:
Dunno, for that kind of money they better have textured and painted that plastic. We all know that maybe cost them $30 to make each one....

I sincerely doubt it costs them even THAT in materials. The big costs for something like this is probably in the molds.

Bingo. Coincidentally the company I work for recently looked into making a custom plastic enclosure to house equipment. Nothing fancy, just a 5' high x 2' wide x 2' deep cabinet really. The mould cost alone was $13,000.00.

If its so slippery why not pick up a can of spray adhesive and spray the sloped parts and do a light sprinkle of fine sand. hell even regular sand would work if you dont bury the board.

I plan on picking one of these up next week. yes online for a discount. I promise to take pics of each stage until its fully painted.

I dont see how these will get weak over time, its not truly hollow under the hills. there is a grid of plastic ribs running at 90 degrees from each other, from the underside of the hills to flat with the surface the table sits on. so any downward force from someone leaning to reach for a mini is going to transfer through the board to the table underneath.

Wehrkind wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:
In the consumist age you live today its a bit naive not to think the price of something gives you status or sense of achievement... as such the price is often more important than the actual object... You do value things based on their price... well you dont if you live with your ermit uncle in the mountains
I'm not saying its a positive or negative thing to behave according to consumist ideals... Im just sayint its the reality these days.

Whats more important for the lady that just got a diamont ring the size of a golf ball... the actual huge diamont or the idea of the obscene price of the diamont? what do you think that makes her feel achieved or what she values the most?

This table value to me is directly linked to its price... I would regret myself forever if i got one at this price and would love this table if it just costed 6 bits of plastic... 1/4 of its price. As is I cannot justify to myself spending almost half of the national minimum wage in just textured plastic...

The table its not rubish its just overpriced. Is like you buy a 99 fiat crappola by the price of a ferrarri... its still a car though.

You make a good point, but it does not necessarily apply. It is often true that people want things because they believe it will make them look successful, displaying a symptom of success (money to spend on fancy things). It may well be that some people want this table because it shows off their 40k "bling". I would say it is possible, but rather unlikely, since people usually don't bling out fairly practical things like mail boxes, but rather things that they can use more often to show off, like a necklace or car. In 40k terms, I would say folks are more likely to demonstrate their superior purchasing wang with a pro-painted army, or one of your FABULOUS eldar titans

To your examples, the lady getting the big rock is accepting a payment for her value to the fellow giving it to her, not purchasing it herself for use. She cares about the cost because it expresses a willingness to part with a large value in exchange for her attentions. The fellow purchasing it, however, cares not if the price is cheap, only that he is willing to pay it, and that SHE thinks it looks expensive. The Zirconium market attests to this

Your self loathing if you broke down and bought it for the current (rather high) price is you mourning all the things you didn't buy with the money, and has little to do with the table itself, other than the fact you want all those other things more than you want the table. Buyer's remorse does not stem from not wanting the item they bought, but rather that they traded too many other things for it.

So, I absolutely agree it is not for everyone, but I suspect the wailing and gnashing of teeth about price has much more to do with people wanting one but not wanting to pay that (rather high) price, than people offended that they should be offered the item at the price.

Fair enough mate and Loved reading your reply

As for the buyer remorse issue, personally... I rather keep the money in the bank as oposed to buying other items...
Funny people mentioned PS3... Its also one of those things I rather not waste my money, 400euros and its not even retrocompatible with my ps2 games? 70 euros games? hell no!
I know I'm just a cheap @ss

As for slippery plastic why not use textured paints?

I was just glad to have a chance to talk economics, and with you Navarro

As to the wear and tear on the board: I walked on mine for a day or two when I got it, partially because I had no where more convenient to spread it out than in the front dining room by the door, and largely because I couldn't resist recreating the "fat man walking" test. Now, I am much smaller than your average game store goon, but 180 pounds walking on the tiles in a pair of Docs' didn't so much as make it turn white.

As to slidey mini's, I could see maybe the flight bases sliding since they have a flat bottom, but the normal bases should be fine. The paint on mine should be dry tonight; I will try and get some pictures with the girls and some other troops and see how it works. (Sorry for a lack of previous pictures; the light in the front dining room sucks.)

Edit: Oh, I forgot: Has anyone figured out a handy way of clipping it together? I clipped it together last night to wash it, and found getting 2 panels clipped together first, then clipping them to each other worked, but was awkward at best. Is there a better trick?

oni wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:
My main dislike is alot of the sloped and ridges, your minis just slide on down the sleek plastic. If I wanted that I would take my minis to Six Flags Amusement park. They should have somehow textured the surface, so that a good 20% of the surface your minis arent on a Ice skating rink.

Oni, did you have to turn your models sideways to get them to stay on the hill? I played a game on this board last week and it was a nightmare. I had to face my miniatures uphill and still 1/2 of them came down. I want to see some pictures of these boards painted and flocked and such.

I noticed that there was a tendancy for models to slide a bit on the grey plastic. I primered mine black with 'Board to Pieces' primer, which is a very dark, flat black. Didn't even use a full can. Then a drybrush of deep brown. The paint in the can was perfect, jellied and nearly solid, just how I like it for doing scenery. After the primer and first coat I had much less slippage, and we played a few games on it.

I was painting the skulls on Black Friday when someone came in, and said "ooh, pretty, are those for sale?". Unfortunately, I'd sold out of the couple I brought in. The spirits of my rogue trader ancesters boomed in my head "SELL NOW, and paint another one for yourself later."

So someone walked out of my shop with my nearly painted one, and I'm doing another. I'll check on how the slippage on the slopes is when I get back to flocking the next one.

Did you charge extra for the paint job at least?

Is this really a limited edition kinda thing? I do still want one I just have to wait till after the holidays, maybe Jan or Feb...

I'm also kinda hoping if I wait GW will start selling the tiles separately

yeah,
I started painting mine today, I took some photos as I did things, so maybe I'll post a thread about painting it when I finnish...

I Tested how much of a table over hang is acceptable... it's not good chaps... it's bad...there is just too much flex in the boards.
I'd go as far as to say no over hang... when i pressed down on a section with a 6" - 9" ish overhang it unclipped at the other edge and flew up...

The clips are a bloody pain in the arse to set up... if you clip the board upside down its difficult to flip over with out risking damage to the board..
if you feed the board onto the table it's easier... clipping each section as you go... but you have to get under the board to clip...
So after messing around for about 30min i came to the conclusion- I don't think I wanna bother with clips...

So Now I think i'm going to need 6' x4 ' board with a lip around the edge for this 'gameboard' that encloses the board and stops the tiles sliding ... so not as space saving as I had originally hoped...
Still a cool project...

anyways... It's freaking awesome!!!
seriously!

I started painting today.
I'm using the citadel kit, standard ,basecoated brown drybrushed yellow. (boring i know)
I've made a good start on the rocks as I've been going... I sprayed them black before I started...
I'm pretty much done with the paint in the kit, and I have well over half of both paint pots left over!

Looks like If you spend a bit more time layering the paint and take you time with paint you could get away without flocking... i'm going to flock, so I rushed the paint...

So hopefully tommorrow... I'll finnish up painting... flock it and do all the details... anyways a few pictures of where i'm at... it's on the floor with two bits of terrain and a couple of tanks ...

PAnic...

I've never actually seen a table painted that way. so perhaps not so boring as you thought.

since i plan on painting mine as ash waste/moon, i'm having trouble planning how to make the rocks stand out from the textured flats.

I'll likely drybrush the whole thing and if its too blended i'll do a gloss black with extreme edge highlighting on the rocks for obsidian look or something.

Yeah, you should probably make some sweet-a terrain. like, some sand eroded ruins to some pharoahs temple, or some huge monolithic tower filled with pictographs. That would look pretty nice... like some sorta statues of like half birdmen. cyber half-birdman to be exact, seeing how we are in the 41st mellinium.

I like your scheme for it, PaniC.

I think this thing will really become something to get once they release trench boards and maybe some more flat/rough ground boards. If they ever did a Space Hulk type board I'd be in heaven.

You know, it looks good. Nice work Panic. I'm seriously wondering if GW actually intended this to be used on a table given your discoveries. I think they intended it to be floor bound, I could be wrong. Maybe they just intended it to be used on a table, with a lip, to keep those pieces in place.

im really pleased with mine, ive made countless tables in the past and they always end up damaged, gouged, scratched, crushed etc etc and dont really last 6 months. this is pretty indestructable in terms of gaming accidents so it suits me down to the ground.

i dont have the time anymore to sit and build my own so this is wonderful for me, i picked it up with a £35 discount so i didnt feel too bad about the price.

i plan on doing mine as a frozen tundra, just paint it a light blue and spray white over the top of it to give it a slightly glacier kind of look then varnish the hell out of it.
got plans to make some big ice crystal forests out of tinted resin too.

olympia wrote:

oni wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:
My main dislike is alot of the sloped and ridges, your minis just slide on down the sleek plastic. If I wanted that I would take my minis to Six Flags Amusement park. They should have somehow textured the surface, so that a good 20% of the surface your minis arent on a Ice skating rink.

Oni, did you have to turn your models sideways to get them to stay on the hill? I played a game on this board last week and it was a nightmare. I had to face my miniatures uphill and still 1/2 of them came down. I want to see some pictures of these boards painted and flocked and such.

Nope. No turning them sideways or laying them down. I have to admit that it did take a few tries to get the Defkoptas to stay in place. Damn flying bases! Once painted I'd imagine that mini's would be less prone to sliding. I'm going to lay down some minor amounts of basing sand to try and overcome the issue a bit more.

Awesome job Panic. I imagine mine will be very similar as I too got the scenery painting pack. Although I'll be adding just a bit of sand to the slopes and tiny amount of grass.

yeah,
I've played my first game on the board.
I played with a 5'x4' wood board under the Realm of battle board. the 6" over hang at each end was ok, and never threatened the mini's.
Playing on the board was awesome! my dice even seemed to roll better on it!!!

I made a article about how I painted/flocked my board.
Terrain: GW Realm Of Battle Board: Standard
Check it out.

here's a few snaps!



have fun!

Panic.

the board does not seem very thick in the flatter sections of the board, what is the average height of the board in these lower sections? i was thinking if i got one i would use nuts, bolts and washers (2 per side, 7 sides total) to hold it all together. is this possible?

yeah,
Bolting it together?

With the clips they pop off when the flex is too much, Bolting it together will mean the board will continue to flex till the force is enough to tear plastic...
It's asking for trouble if you ask me...
I don't think it would be able to take the strain of unsupported sections or turning it over (if you bolt it gether and then flip it)... I think it would break...

They give you 32 clips when you only needs 14... I think GW expect some clips to snap under the preasures that get applied to the board!
Also There must be a reason they didn't do the jigsaw type connection of the modular hils.

Panic...

BEtter than just giving you the requisite amount.

Also, I imagine at least a dozen are chucked in for fear of loss!

Yeah,
But, more than double seems like over kill for fear of loss?
The clip sprue could be cut in half with minimum effort giving you 16 clips? 2 extra for loss?

Panic

Maybe they do expect to sell the tiles separately some day so you would only get the clips if you buy the main set.. then you get to use some of your extras

Lord Solaar wrote:

Wolfstan wrote:Just out of interest, what do the buyers of the new GW battle board plan to rest it on? ... another large board perhaps? So the arguement for it replacing your old heavy board is void isn't it? Whether you make it out of cheap foam or use the nice shiney GW one, you still need a board

I got three of these for the table part of the table: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=7679248

Deathklaat wrote:some online retailers are selling the Citadel Realm of Battle Gameboard for under $200.00 USD

Who? Links please!

I was able to pick one up for $150.00, at my place of employment. While this was an awesome deal for me as an employee, I know that the owner would sell the couple we have left for quite a bit cheaper than msrp. Deals are to be had, shop around the internets.
In two weeks I am finished with yet another semester and will try to start a post of the painting of the board as well as some terrain.

ohhh Nice article Panic! Superb work on the table.

As for keeping things tighter why not use those tissue gluing stripes ( dont know the english name sorry... its the things that are on some tennis shoes)

the extra clips are for both lost clips and so you can clip together 2 sets of boards or more for apocalypse.

if you have 2 people bring their boards, and you are the only one who brought your extra clips it would take and extra 12 clips to attack the 3 sets together.

I think your talking about velcro right, one piece has little hooks and the other is a mess of fibers to be hooked. Right?

Yes Ghost in the Darkness velcro

olympia wrote:Great pics. And that thing is only $290? What a deal!

How much do you have?

I love it. It looks so good when its painted up. I think its worth the money if you could go halves with a friend that you play with regularly. but if you have a friendship divorce then you only have three tiles and too many clips!!

make sure to put it in the pre-nup that he gets the tiles with the skull pits on them!

Haha, tectonics. its funny really because THERE IS ONLY WAR!

hmm, i may seriously consider purchasing this product.

My board arrived today. I'll be taking photos as I unpack it, work on it, and so forth. I'll do a writeup with pics in the modeling and painting forum once done.

panic did a great job, but as i'm going to do ash waste painjob, I figured I would post a writeup as well.

I did a quick search on eBay and found someone selling them brand new in box for $199.00 - I bought the two he had two for a grand total of $430, shipping included.

So my new 6x8 table will be arriving shortly. I recommend anyone interested in finding a deal simply search via google: "Citadel Realm of Battle Gameboard"

Good luck fellow 40k addicts.

After seeing Panic's pics, I guess I do kinda like it after all, though there is no way I could justify the cost.

The boards are hollow underneath, yes? Has anyone considered/attempted filling this cavity with something to make the board more sturdy? Like expanding insulation/packing foam or something?

I imagine that would prevent you from fitting them back in the case though.

no they are not hollow.

there is a rigid grid of support fins from the underneath of the board to flush with the table top. i was at a gw store where a 250 pound guy stood on a tile, no damage.
boards stack like this, twice in the carrying bag.
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blue loki wrote: Has anyone considered/attempted filling this cavity with something to make the board more sturdy? Like expanding insulation/packing foam or something?
I imagine that would prevent you from fitting them back in the case though.

I plan to this to mine when arrive, but not for structural improvements (the foam isn't really strong enough for that). I want to deaden the noise that miniatures and (more importantly) dice make when moving across the surface. It won't affect the way the board packs into the case, but it may add the weight. These things feel heavier than they are for some reason.

Lets see, 200+ for a plastic table from GW that I have to paint and flock.

OR

Spend 50$ at Home depo and make my own table with green cloth and thos nifty (And cheap) terrain pices I have lieing around...

options options...


For me its ither one table I will never have the time to paint/flock or 60 more Plague bearers...

If you're patient, foam insulation would do well as a filler. The only problem I can see is the "slipperyness" of bare plastic. To some tests on the open areas and see if the insulation slides around or has a grip. If it slides, you may want to use spray primer on the underside before foaming it up.

Being a father of 3 pre-teens that lives in a 3 bedroom apartment that drives a Corolla, I really appreciate this product.
It fits in a corner of the closet when packed up, and it's great to be able to pull out even 1-4 pieces for small games played with the kids.

For full scale games, I really wanted a way to be able to put it on the kitchen table without an under-board.
it fits fairly well, with perhaps a 4" overlap on each side. As many people have noted, the clips that come with it do a great job of keeping things aligned, but not so well at keeping things together when flexing. To remedy this, I made a guide and used a pin vice and paperclips threaded through the holes, and pinched tight with pliers when inserted. The great thing about the paperclips is that they end up bending back open a bit rather than tearing the plastic apart when under extreme torque.
Quick early test with a flour sack, and pulling the board flush on one side of the table to get the most extreme overlap I should see on the table (you can see nearly a foot of overlap in the photo).

That image is just the first stage of painting as well, coated each tile with red rustoleum primer.
http://www.amazon.com/Oleum-7769-830-Rusty-Metal-Primer/dp/B000PIKJAS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1230915267&sr=8-1
then tagged the stone bits with Citadel Roughcoat (which ironically looks EXACTLY like i didn't paint it in the first place).

This is just another shot of the whole table put together, drybrushed with Liquitex Raw Sienna (have a bunch of old tubes lying around...). On the not-so-cheap side, I also coated all the stone in Gryphonne Sepia ink/wash... took about a pot and a half.


It's playable now... I've gone over one tile and have been putting static grass on slippy parts (thanks to other posts about flying bases, etc), and a couple more passes on the stonework. No pics yet.
Might put up pics of the underside up as well when it's all clipped/sewn together.

hmm...I've been thinking to get 2 of these from ebay (sellers sell them for $200 USD instead of 300+ for the cdn price) so that can do a 8 x 6 ft board and play 2-4k pt fantasy matches. The extra space in the middle will help alot with more tactical flexibility as there will be like 2 or so turns JUST for movement... discussed with some friends already and we'd increase # of turns to 9-10 instead of 6.

Sanjay

yeah,
Tirian I did similar experiments with my board, the problem is that the board flexes and the clips spring loose/off.
If i was you I'd be warey of puting a army of painted mini's on a table that at risk of springing apart. The Max over hang I'd risk is 6"

That said your tables look swish! real nice. post more pictures.

PAnic.

JokerGod wrote:Lets see, 200+ for a plastic table from GW that I have to paint and flock.

OR

Spend 50$ at Home depo and make my own table with green cloth... -snip-

And it'll probably not even look half as good.

The only thing stopping my group and I from getting this board is its price. Although, at $200 or less, 6 people pitching in won't be that big of a deal. Only ~$33 dollars. Well not including paint or anything.

Played my first two games at one at my LGWS. It's a pretty nice table, looks great and all, but I'd never pay for one. With that money, you could start a whole new army, or make your own table, and then buy oodles of terrain bits to make it something spectacular.

Gorilla Tactics has the boards on sale for $210. I'm thinking about buying a set for the same reason as Tirian. Folds up nicely, can easily put out 4 boards for the kids or take all 6 to the local LGS.

I'm sorry I can't stay silent on this one. Surfing around for reviews on the Battle Gameboard and I was pretty amazed at the steep price and what you actually get out of the deal. I have to mention http://www.worldworksgames.com not just because they have a massive terrain catalog but its affordable, it looks great, you don't have to paint anything and you can build your boards as big or small as you want. People really need to know about WWG especially 40k'rs:

Is that a Vash the Stampede mini in the first pic?

No its from Rezolution. WWG did some custom terrain for their minis line some time ago.

Monkeyboy wrote:No its from Rezolution. WWG did some custom terrain for their minis line some time ago.

Wow those are some nice minis!

i look at the board, and part of me likes it. having spent 4 and a half years living in tiny college dorms, something i could pack up and tuck away is awesome, and the skulls i could work around.

Another part just feels its more then i personally would feel comfortable spending for what it does. As long as i get to play the game with my friends, i can handle less then stellar terrain.

The artist part of me says to dumpster dive for material to make something bigger and better, tweaked out with all the strange techniques and skills i've picked up in art classes

Hurray thredromancy for ugly paper terrain!

Monkeyboy, if you want to post some pics about this terrain company you should be starting a new thread as opposed to plunking it on the end of a thread that hasn't been added to in quite some time.

Locking now for thread necromancy.