With the age of internet and stuff, i really appreciate all the access we have to other countries and their cultures.

Anyone want to share some foreign music , music videos that you guys enjoy?

I'll start with Hatsune first of the Vocaloids, while outdated, i absolutely love this song.

Sung by fan dedicated to a Program , i love it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ4v6FKMeGQ&feature=related

Serge Gainsbourg. Kraftwerk. Anything on Kompakt or Innervisions. Dengue Fever.

French Pop singer Alizee. That girl's the definition of cute.

Gothenburg-style black metal. They owe KISS massive royalties for the invention of rock-n-roll black and white face paint, not mention the on stage regurgitation of fake blood. Great background music, because even if they do sing in English, you still can't understand the words.

cafe duo, I think their German. Greebynog is right in saying Dengue Fever

stonefox wrote:French Pop singer Alizee. That girl's the definition of cute.

i agree she is one of the best female pop singer.

not only can she hold notes, she actually makes her singing like a work of art.

unlike most singers that can barely struggle to reach the notes.

I love Swedish death metal. Opeth and Arch Enemy in particular. Bolt Thrower, Black Sabbath and Motorhead from the U.K, Vader and Behemoth from Poland.

Also the German band Rammstein.

do you guys use youtube? can link some of your
favorite song lists.

What is foreign then?

Led Zepplin

LunaHound wrote:
do you guys use youtube? can link some of your
favorite song lists.

Yeah Youtube is MASSIVE if you want to listen to and discover new music, especially metal.

Although if you're looking for mainstream rock/pop, or pretty much all rock/pop, you're not going to find much that you don't know about already.

LunaHound wrote:
do you guys use youtube? can link some of your
favorite song lists.

Yeah Youtube is MASSIVE if you want to listen to and discover new music, especially metal.

Although if you're looking for mainstream rock/pop, or pretty much all rock/pop, you're not going to find much that you don't know about already.

The Philsonator wrote:What is foreign then?

Anything not from the US. No matter where you're from.

Americans...

foreign for me is anything out of n.america.

I especially love canada because we are proud of
our multicultural society. 99% of us arnt actually
native Canadians :"P

For me foreign is anything non western. (Aus, US/Can and UK being western), because there's no such thing as good music coming out of Aus... Except for Parkway Drive

The Polish make some of the best Death Metal.

Vader, Behemoth & Decapitated are all polish metal legends.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm8Un0iHgcI

^ vader

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1InmhnKyYHQ

^ decapitated

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tHhZ2LThpv4

^ behemoth


& obviously, if we're talking metal in general nearly everything from the norse countries will be good.

Gojira are french:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hTnpMp7UrG4

Necrophagist are led by a half german, half turk:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1DND8S_CF_g

I could go on...

The Philsonator wrote:For me foreign is anything non western. (Aus, US/Can and UK being western), because there's no such thing as good music coming out of Aus... Except for Parkway Drive

Yeah, I was puzzled by the OP because I can't think of a music scene that wasn't dominated by overseas acts. I've never had an Australian band as my favourite (though The Sleepy Jackson and The Panics were close for a while).

I kind of assumed we were meant to list our favourite foreign language acts, in which case it has to be Sigur Ros.

Death Metal =

Not too keen on Behemoth, EVERYONE seems to like them, i'm starting to think of them as mallcore.

Finnish/Swedish melo is OK, but not so much the scene stuff.

But American is the way to go

could anyone guide me to some silent hill ish music?

i believe.... they are normally labeled as:

Ambiance , new age

or something...

The Philsonator wrote:

Not too keen on Behemoth, EVERYONE seems to like them, i'm starting to think of them as mallcore.

Behemoth is actually a bit closer to Black Metal. I like Vader alot better but Behemoth is okay. When it comes to foriegn music Sweden takes the cake IMO.

LunaHound wrote:could anyone guide me to some silent hill ish music?

i believe.... they are normally labeled as:

Ambiance , new age

or something...

Im not sure what silent hill's music is like, but going off of 'ambient'

a couple of songs to try would be:

'The silver cord' - Gojira

'Building Steam With a Grain of Salt' - DJ Shadow

'Omens & portents II' - Earth

'Marooned' - Pink Floyd


Technically, theyre not 'ambient' per se, but theyre very atmospheric & create ambience in that sense.

I dont know if that helps at all

woo i sort of like the Gojira you suggested.

here is example of what im looking for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsbzP1AVS4k&feature=related

something melancholic and... weird i guess

Anyone else into Arch Enemy? That's some heavy . Best song in my opinion is Slaves of Yesterday or Hybrids of Steel.

Real fast shredding that only the Swedes are capable of and that's a fact.

EDIT: I forgot Sepultura from Brazil.

Mexico is in North America, so that makes Mariachi not foreign.

It's probably fair to say that the English speaking world is dominated by US and British acts, not to forget many important contributions from Canada, Oz/NZ, Jamaica etc.

I am sure most non-English speaking countries have a strong local music culture -- Japan certainly does.

I assume the OP is interested in non-English language music.

I highly recommend listening to rap/hip hop in foreign languages. Even though you can't understand the lyrics, the rhythms and rhymes are strangely poetical.

Music, the great communicator.

Qawalli is well worth a listen. Check out anything by Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan.

I also like Perez Prado.

The Thousandth Son wrote:Anyone else into Arch Enemy? That's some heavy . Best song in my opinion is Slaves of Yesterday or Hybrids of Steel.

Real fast shredding that only the Swedes are capable of and that's a fact.

EDIT: I forgot Sepultura from Brazil.

The Swedes are sick at shredding, but there are better examples than Arch Enemy.

If you want heavy Sweedish death metal, check out Amon Amarth, they sound like they play in A!!!

The Thousandth Son wrote:Anyone else into Arch Enemy? That's some heavy . Best song in my opinion is Slaves of Yesterday or Hybrids of Steel.

Real fast shredding that only the Swedes are capable of and that's a fact.

EDIT: I forgot Sepultura from Brazil.

Arch Enemy are cool, but I prefer carcass. I find arch enemy's production is a bit too slick & in your face. I like them, but I dont think I could listen to a whole album.

I like Turisas from Finland - if only for their silly Folk Metal qualities, and because they feature a lead violin and accordian.

My favorite of their songs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If_MeVNVcBE


On a non-Metal kick, I like the Yoshida Brothers from Japan. They're the shamisen players that play the song for the Nintendo Wii commercials.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ron17xFNBf0&feature=related

and this song, which is used for this AMV:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7FPL3J0-ng

The Philsonator wrote:
The Swedes are sick at shredding, but there are better examples than Arch Enemy.

If you want heavy Sweedish death metal, check out Amon Amarth, they sound like they play in A!!!

Yes I have heard them, they are heavy...very heavy.

somecallmeJack wrote:


Arch Enemy are cool, but I prefer carcass. I find arch enemy's production is a bit too slick & in your face. I like them, but I dont think I could listen to a whole album.

I have been meaning to check them out, been a bit bussy these days but yes I will check that out...

There's also Opeth, Progressive Death Metal from Sweden, they kick some serious ass.

ah yes, I saw Opeth in November with Cynic. Probably the best non festival gig of my existance so far.

if you dont know, Carcass are Michael Ammott's band from before he formed arch enemy. Their only album I have is Heartwork, & I would suggest checking out the title track first, & then the rest.

you should also check out Cynic if you dont already know them. Imagine the bassist from necrophagist playing with a jazz/metal band with vocoded vocals.

Theyre sick as a dead hamster.

Lunahound wrote:could anyone guide me to some silent hill ish music?

i believe.... they are normally labeled as:

Ambiance , new age

or something...

Well, you could always take a look at Akira Yamaoka. He wrote the soundtrack for the entire Silent Hill series, and has some solo stuff as well.

The genre is known as "Horror Ambient", though I hate that classification, considering that's exactly the kind of music I create.

Try Murder of Angels, The Walter Sullivan Project (Obvious homage to the Silent Hill series), or AnneXadote. The genre is, in all honesty, pretty rare. But Murder of Angels is one of my favorites. If you want to check out some of my personal stuff, send me a PM.

If you're looking for Yamaoka's "Coffee House Grunge" style, it's pretty much non-existant, outside of his own compositions.

Anyway, Necrophagist is my favorite band, and they're from Germany. Akira Yamaoka is (obviously) a favorite of mine, and he's from Japan. Speaking of Japan, one of my favorite composers is Hitoshi Sakimoto, and he's also a Japanese native. Opeth is great, and they hail from Sweden.

Not too into the whole Black Metal scene, or I would have a lot more to list.

EDIT: And I just had to say it...Amon Amarth are one of the LEAST heavy metal bands I've ever heard. Not that they aren't decent, but....I just don't know where this came from.

Midnight Juggernauts from Oz are awesome. I saw them at 2 festivals and their own gig in London this summer. They do awesome electro-rock, heavy on the guitars when live, a bit more electrical when in the studio.

Hearts Revolution from (who knows where, but the lead singer is Japanese). Saw them supporting Midnight Juggernauts. More electrical, but very awesome.

Go! Team are English, so they are native for me, but foreign for you. They do... well... just listen to them. Honest

Japanese Popstars are an Irish electro-dance stuff along the lines of the best Chemical Brothers stuff. The bpm does something weird to my pysche though.

somecallmeJack wrote:ah yes, I saw Opeth in November with Cynic. Probably the best non festival gig of my existance so far.

if you dont know, Carcass are Michael Ammott's band from before he formed arch enemy. Their only album I have is Heartwork, & I would suggest checking out the title track first, & then the rest.

you should also check out Cynic if you dont already know them. Imagine the bassist from necrophagist playing with a jazz/metal band with vocoded vocals.

Theyre sick as a dead hamster.

*jealous*

Yeah I know that, I've just never heard them before.

Sounds cool.

I love old french singer.

Georges Brassens

Jacques Brel

And of course, obscure european metal band...

Kudos for the Nusrat mention. ''Love Songs'' is sublime.

For Swedish metal Meshuggah are untouchable. Anyone who disagrees hasn't heard ''I''. I like a lot of US metal, such as Nile, High On Fire and Hate Eternal. Whilst we Brits invented the genre, the yanks currently rule the roost. However, they shall burn in musical hell for giving the world nu-metal and crunk. The UK will also immolate due to the words ''grime'' and ''garage''. Sorry world.

The best source of ambience is the electronica scene. Artists such as Aphex Twin, Autechre, Boards Of Canada should tick the boxes.

For darker ambience try Earth, Asva or Sunn0))).

Thanks to Oz for Pelican.

M_Stress wrote:I love old french singer.

Georges Brassens

Jacques Brel

And of course, obscure european metal band...

No Edith?

hey Chrysaor, Dont dismiss black metal out of hand... I agree, a LOT of it is pants. but there are some real gems.

have a listen to Akercocke (recommended tracks leviathan, verdelet,)

Ihsahn (misanthrope, unhealer, threnody)

Old Man's Child (Black seeds on virgin soil, into eternity)

Also, continuing the ambient music theme, has anyone listened to a band called Ahab? theyre really really dark & atmospheric. Have a listen to their song 'The Pacific' & Imagine necrons waking up slowly after millenia of stasis.

I never said that I automatically dismiss Black Metal as crap, I'll always give a band a listen before I decide whether I like it or not.

For instance, my favorite Industrial band of all time, Psyclon Nine, has extreme Black Metal influences, probably moreso than any other Industrial band. Enfold Darkness is one of my favorite bands beyond Progressive Death Metal, and they're considered Technical Black Metal (Even though they kind of forsake the whole Norwegian/Swedish Black Metal archetype). I also like a few songs from Dimmu Borgir (Blessings Upon the Throne of Tyranny and Architecture of a Genocidal Nature come to mind), but they're a lot simpler than most of the stuff I'm used to listening to, so that's probably why I didn't mention them.

The reason I guess I'm so biased against Black Metal in the first place is that 90% of the entire scene relies more on their image than their actual musical talent. Also, I really hate the "swinging" chord progressions (I don't really know how else to explain it) that most Black Metal relies on. Just not my thing.

Their only album I have is Heartwork

Dude get Symphonies of Sickness and Necroticism. That's the good stuff, their melodeath is pathetic, more like melodic death rock if you ask me. If i want to listen to melodeath i'll listen to At the Gates or Dark Tranquility

I'm not into that much black metal either, but there's a couple of bands and songs that i know.

De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas (By Mayhem) has the most evil riff i have ever heard in my life.

Chrysaor686 wrote:I never said that I automatically dismiss Black Metal as crap, I'll always give a band a listen before I decide whether I like it or not.

For instance, my favorite Industrial band of all time, Psyclon Nine, has extreme Black Metal influences, probably moreso than any other Industrial band. Enfold Darkness is one of my favorite bands beyond Progressive Death Metal, and they're considered Technical Black Metal (Even though they kind of forsake the whole Norwegian/Swedish Black Metal archetype). I also like a few songs from Dimmu Borgir (Blessings Upon the Throne of Tyranny and Architecture of a Genocidal Nature come to mind), but they're a lot simpler than most of the stuff I'm used to listening to, so that's probably why I didn't mention them.

The reason I guess I'm so biased against Black Metal in the first place is that 90% of the entire scene relies more on their image than their actual musical talent. Also, I really hate the "swinging" chord progressions (I don't really know how else to explain it) that most Black Metal relies on. Just not my thing.

Ill have to give enfold darkness a go, Ive not listened to them before, but they sound sexy!

Dimmu are OK. I like Dimmu, but thats mainly because Im willing to embrace any form of cheese. I kind of see dimmu as being (although Im loathe to use the term 'commercial') commercial black metal. I.e they've taken the black metal aesthetic & made it into a format that appeals to many people rather than just a few. Which isnt necessarily a bad thing.

Ill give you that a lot of it is about the image with Black Metal, but in fairness the scene does have some first rate drummers.

Shagrath and Dimmu totally rip off Immortal and are making billions because they are so scene it's not funny

I agree Dimmu rip off immortal, but theyre not making anything close to a lot of money off of it.

Metal musicians can barely make money. I would imagine Dimmu make enough money to live comfortably, & whoever writes the lyrics makes a little more than that.

Good luck finding any Enfold Darkness that's written by the new lineup. They've only kept one person in the band (The Guitarist) since the lineup that recorded their first CD, but the stuff written by the new lineup is astronomically better. You'd either have to go to one of their shows, or make good with the band and have them send you some free MP3s.

A new CD should be out soon, though.

I've never really been concerned with how "commercial" a band is, just how talented they are. Dimmu has a few gems, though I hate to say that most of their stuff is crap, even if it's true. That, and they're kind of the definition of "relying on image".

Most metal bands don't even make as much money as they would if they were working in fast food. Basically just enough to eat and keep the tour bus running, relying more on sales of T-shirts than CDs. I'd be willing to bet that Dimmu Borgir isn't doing any better than "comfortable middle class".

yeah, same here. 'Commercial' isnt necessarily a bad thing.

interestingly, did you know know most bands only make about 17 & a half p (£0.17) from each CD sale?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGywo81G6lk&feature=related

I just came across this while ambling aimlessly around Youtube, which I do occasionally out of boredom. It's the funniest, strangest thing I've seen since Lordi.

The Philsonator wrote:For me foreign is anything non western. (Aus, US/Can and UK being western), because there's no such thing as good music coming out of Aus... Except for Parkway Drive

Byron Bay? That scum-hole?



There's a lot of good Australian music, but you hardcore kids wouldn't know a thing about good music, would ya?

Byron Bay IS improving, though A_F. Nothing short of a nuke will fix the place though.

They're imposing restricitions on buskers and all of that lame hippy tripe.

Quite like Kraftwerk, and Queensryche (Yes, they're from Seattle, pre-dating grunge and still playing, but America is still 'furren' enough for me.)

Otherwise, more foreign stuff is probably going to go to Nightwish, which a finnish metal head friend put me onto.

talking of nordic metal - eluveitie

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iijKLHCQw5o

Arctik_Firangi wrote:

The Philsonator wrote:For me foreign is anything non western. (Aus, US/Can and UK being western), because there's no such thing as good music coming out of Aus... Except for Parkway Drive

Byron Bay? That scum-hole?



There's a lot of good Australian music, but you hardcore kids wouldn't know a thing about good music, would ya?

Lol i'm far from a scene kid, but i don't know much metal from here, i don't touch that deathcore

Camille

I like Classical Music, which i guess is foreign as the big composers were Russian, and German. I also Like Italian Singing Music such as the 3 Tenors or stuff along those lines.

The Philsonator wrote:

Arctik_Firangi wrote:

The Philsonator wrote:For me foreign is anything non western. (Aus, US/Can and UK being western), because there's no such thing as good music coming out of Aus... Except for Parkway Drive

Byron Bay? That scum-hole?



There's a lot of good Australian music, but you hardcore kids wouldn't know a thing about good music, would ya?

Lol i'm far from a scene kid, but i don't know much metal from here, i don't touch that deathcore

As long as you stamp the suffix 'core' onto everything, you're a scene kid. Sorry, but that's the nut. Can you give me some examples of 'deathcore', if you're referring to Aussie bands?

On that note, Deicide has a nice death-groove.

I'm a keyboardist and I use that as an excuse to listen to a lot of odd progressive stuff. Obviously a classical fan, and I've done a lot of composition. Lots and lots of metal... the first band I 'got into' was actually Sepultura when I was five or six... so I'm partial to good old thrash. I listen to a lot of music that people would find it difficult to listen to for enjoyment, but you just sort of get bored of the same old crap when you can play it yourself.

This is me a few years ago: VVV

Th Red Shore, Job For A Cowboy, Bring Me the Horizon, Suicide Silence...
All lame typical deathcore, and yes it's actual name is deathcore, because it's metalcore fused with death metal influences.

WeCameWithBrokenTeeth and Waking the Cadaver are sucky mallcore "grind" bands...

Yeah i'm defiantly not scene.

And when i mean there's no good new music coming out of Australia, i mean the present. Sure i listen to A LOT of metal, but i listen to other stuff too, but there's simply nothing decent coming out of Aus, be it rock, metal, rap, or pop.

somecallmeJack wrote:talking of nordic metal - eluveitie

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iijKLHCQw5o

More Gaelic than Nordic, but they're good. I saw them live this past summer, they're great (the violinist is easy on the eyes to boot).

Too bad the Bagpiper and the bassist(I think) left. They rocked out.

The only thing Deathcore takes from Metalcore is the melody. Sure, there are a lot of "death" bands that emo kids like to associate with, but you can't truly label them Deathcore unless they're heavily into melody. If you're too damn hardcore to listen to anything that's related to Metalcore (because you have some misconception that it's going to tell you to cut yourself and cry), then good for you, but don't insult it until you actually look into the genre. There IS some really good Deathcore out there, you just have to do some digging.

It's not anyone's fault that you have to slap the word "core" onto every other metal genre these days (Metalcore, Deathcore, Thrashcore, Grindcore, Gorecore), that's just what everything's called. If you called it anything else, no one would really know what you were talking about. Don't listen to much metal these days, do you, Arctic_Firangi?

Yeah, but all the bands i said ARE deathcore. I like metalcore, nothing wrong with that, just deathcore all sounds the same to me and i can't get into it because real death metal just destroys it, and i'd rather listen to that.

I am THE metal messiah on this site, and everywhere i go. I know what i'm talking about dude.

Anyway let's get off the topic off deathcore, it sucks, get's enough attention as it is.

I hate all that deathmetal gak!!!!!

Slayer and Opeth is where I draw the line with metal!!!!

opeth FOR THE WIN.

Ghetto Fight, list to a song called Son of the Morning by Akercocke.

The Philsonator wrote:I am THE metal messiah on this site, and everywhere i go. I know what i'm talking about dude.

Kind of presumptuous, isn't it?

Ah well. It was good for a laugh.

Ghetto_Fight wrote:Slayer and Opeth is where I draw the line with metal!!!!

I'd think that if you can handle Slayer, you could handle anything that Death Metal could throw at you.

If you're into Opeth, you might want to check out Cynic. If you're more into their acoustic side (I.E. Blackwater Park), maybe check out The Porcupine Tree.

Seether, they sound really american but are actually south african. surprised me. Also Thin Lizzy. Heven't been able to stop listening to Jailbreak for weeks.

I can't stop listening to Emerald by Thin Lizzy. That's epic.

And about listening to Slayer, you might not be able to listen to anything death metal throws at you, it took me ages to get into it.

And i don't listen to Slayer that much

Definitely Sex Pistols from UK.
Awesome.
I have to say The Explosion though. They're not foreign but they are my favorite band.

This is a link to their page. They are no longer together though.
http://jadetree.com/bands/artist/the_explosion
The best song is God Bless the S.O.S.

Lol, Sex Pistols only released one album.

Hehe Johnny Rotten though

Haven't heard of The Explosion, what are they?

Actually, there was more than one....

Rock and Roll Swindle was one of them. Trouble is, Never Mind The Bollocks was theonly one that was any good!

Chrysaor686 wrote:
It's not anyone's fault that you have to slap the word "core" onto every other metal genre these days (Metalcore, Deathcore, Thrashcore, Grindcore, Gorecore), that's just what everything's called. If you called it anything else, no one would really know what you were talking about. Don't listen to much metal these days, do you, Arctic_Firangi?

Heh. Watch your mouth.

I don't need to use the -core suffix because I can relate in various musical terms to the people I discuss it with. I don't mean to upset anyone (other than Philsonator) by kicking the word scene around. I listen to a damn lot of metal, and I hate most of it, 95% of the time due to the vocal style. The predominant vocal styles of 'grindcore' (extremely low/high screamers with little tonal variance) have become my preference, probably because it doesn't distract me from everything else so much. It's hard to play heavy music and maintain a solid feel with a whining songy punk crooning over it.

On the other hand, I think Tony Kakko is possibly one of the best vocalists I've ever heard, despite his overall crappiness.

Slayer: Judas Priest cover band that never quite learned to play properly. K. King is a douche.

Ok, relate in various musical terms what X genre is.

It's hard to discuss what stuff is unless you refer to it's actual genre name, otherwise people will have no idea what you're talking about, that's how it works whether you like it or not.

I don't slap 'scene' on everything you know, just on what is the more popular music, i like some 'scene' stuff, just not all of it. It's a shame because people never really give the underground stuff a chance, and instead worship what little they already know.

Tony Kakko is mad, he may sound exactly like Timo Kotipelto, but he's still mad. Overall crapiness? What does that mean? Are you banging on him because he's Finnish?

Slayer are mad too, just because you don't like them doesn't mean they suck, they are worshipped by many, are easily one of the best thrash metal bands in the world, and they defiantly influenced the heavier thrash and extreme metal.

Once again:

I AM THE METAL MESSIAH OF THIS SITE, AND MANY MORE SITES TO COME. I AM THE METAL MAN, I KNOW A HECK OF A LOT.

(I might have to make that my signature... lol)

At least make a good argument when arguing with me, you never know, you might make a good point, but not so far.

LOL the mods are watching this

Algebra is not a musical genre. unless you want to get into the imaginary fanboy realm of 'math metal'.

Tony Kakko has been one of my favourite musicians for a long time, and frankly I believe he sounds nothing like Koltipelto. Not even close. Finnish accent maybe. For crappiness refer to songs like 'Under Your Tree' - it's all brilliant, but can be difficult to listen to.

Slayer had some alright tranks around Diabolus / G.H.U.A, but they're still mostly rubbish IMO. In this case it's not even the vocals. They started off crap and have only ever been acceptable at best.

Phil, whether or not you think I've made a 'good point' is irrelevant. I initially thought you came across as a scene kid, but you've proven mostly otherwise. Your messianic claims are what lets down your credibility. I'm not arguing with you unless you'd like to make an argument about something, in which case I'll gladly take it up. Via the medium of PM, of course.

Lol.

About Slayer, they're just awesome, first two albums are the best, as soon as Reign came out, everything after sounded excactly the same, almost the quality, they're just around for a good time.

Thrash, Death, Power and the original Heavy metal are my most favourite genres.

Math metal... I hate it when people start getting technical, just a load of if you ask me, trying to be smart

I pity anybody who disrespects Slayer. PITY!!!

warpcrafter wrote:I pity anybody who disrespects Slayer. PITY!!!

I despise anybody who disrespects Slayer.



But seriously it's not cool to not like Slayer

The Philsonator wrote:Lol.

Math metal... I hate it when people start getting technical, just a load of if you ask me, trying to be smart

Sometimes its nice to listen to smart music. I find technical stuff interesting to listen to.

The Philsonator wrote:I despise anybody who disrespects Slayer.



But seriously it's not cool to not like Slayer

I respect Slayer for what they've done for music in general, but I hate their music. Can't stand it.

Muhammed Suicmez eats punks like Kerry King for breakfast.

The Philsonator wrote:Math metal... I hate it when people start getting technical, just a load of if you ask me, trying to be smart

Never taken music theory, have you?

Music is one big mathematical equasion. Look into it.

The Philsonator wrote:I AM THE METAL MESSIAH OF THIS SITE, AND MANY MORE SITES TO COME. I AM THE METAL MAN, I KNOW A HECK OF A LOT.

You know, it's not as funny the second time around...

good call chrysaor.

The Philsonator wrote:

warpcrafter wrote:I pity anybody who disrespects Slayer. PITY!!!

I despise anybody who disrespects Slayer.



But seriously it's not cool to not like Slayer

Agreed. It's only ever cool to say nothing, because you're too cool to care. If you'll excuse me, I'm going to go and play Metropolis.

No i didn't mean the music i mean the genres. People stary getting into dozens of subgenres when discussing certain bands and it gets really annoying when there are only a couple.

I like my metal prog, but not uber technical stuff like Meshuggah, Necrophagist and Brain Drill, they're just show offs, and the suck.

Chuck Schuldiner destroys Muhammed. Lots of debates of this on Youtube, but you'll see that Chuck wins every time.

The Philsonator wrote:I like my metal prog, but not uber technical stuff like Meshuggah, Necrophagist and Brain Drill, they're just show offs, and the suck.

Chuck Schuldiner destroys Muhammed. Lots of debates of this on Youtube, but you'll see that Chuck wins every time.

Meshuggah is a sad excuse for a progressive metal band. More often than not, they don't even go beyond three separate chords for the entire song, except for to deviate into some craptastic solos. Sorry Meshuggah, changing your time signatures mid-bar does not make you progressive.

I can understand not being a fan of Braindrill, as they're more Technical Grindcore than anything, and as with most Grindcore bands, their recording quality sucks something awful. Gotta give props to their drummer though, for being a part of The Faceless before they signed to Sumerian and their recording quality went down the drain as well.

As for Necrophagist...I don't even understand how any self-respecting Metal fan could think that Necrophagist sucks. Even putting them in the same league as Meshuggah? Shame on you.

Chuck Shuldiner might be able to rip some awesome solos, but then again I could name at least ten guitarists off the top of my head that could easily rip Shuldiner a new one. It's not all about skill. Shuldiner's compositions suck (basically generic Death Metal with some riffs ripped directly from Dallas Toller-Wade), and he can't even handle his own material live. Not nearly as well as Suicmez can, at any rate. And then throw in the fact that Muhammed Suicmez composes absolutely everything for Necrophagist (Not to mention that for the initial release of Onset of Putrefaction, he played everything as well), and the fact that Suicmez could easily play any crap that Shuldiner could throw at you if he really wanted to, and, well, he starts to pale in comparison.

Chrysaor686 wrote:

The Philsonator wrote:I like my metal prog, but not uber technical stuff like Meshuggah, Necrophagist and Brain Drill, they're just show offs, and the suck.

Chuck Schuldiner destroys Muhammed. Lots of debates of this on Youtube, but you'll see that Chuck wins every time.

Meshuggah is a sad excuse for a progressive metal band. More often than not, they don't even go beyond three separate chords for the entire song, except for to deviate into some craptastic solos. Sorry Meshuggah, changing your time signatures mid-bar does not make you progressive.

I can understand not being a fan of Braindrill, as they're more Technical Grindcore than anything, and as with most Grindcore bands, their recording quality sucks something awful. Gotta give props to their drummer though, for being a part of The Faceless before they signed to Sumerian and their recording quality went down the drain as well.

As for Necrophagist...I don't even understand how any self-respecting Metal fan could think that Necrophagist sucks. Even putting them in the same league as Meshuggah? Shame on you.

Chuck Shuldiner might be able to rip some awesome solos, but then again I could name at least ten guitarists off the top of my head that could easily rip Shuldiner a new one. It's not all about skill. Shuldiner's compositions suck (basically generic Death Metal with some riffs ripped directly from Dallas Toller-Wade), and he can't even handle his own material live. Not nearly as well as Suicmez can, at any rate. And then throw in the fact that Muhammed Suicmez composes absolutely everything for Necrophagist (Not to mention that for the initial release of Onset of Putrefaction, he played everything as well), and the fact that Suicmez could easily play any crap that Shuldiner could throw at you if he really wanted to, and, well, he starts to pale in comparison.

Yeah technical (death) metal NO:

Sure Cryptopsy, Decapitated and more are awesome but anything that doesn't have a standard beat is just annoying. I hate excessive blast beats, excessive bass solos and excessive shredding too.

Necrophagist are just way overated IMHO, and Muhammed plays like a robot, although props for him playing everything on Onset. Heck one man bands are pretty talented if you think about it, although crap like Burzum and a lot of grind bands just suck.

Sure Schuldiner's not the best guitarist in the world, but he is for me because i just love his style. Every riff (Usually the chorus riffs, Death's later works get hell boring in the verses) and solo they come up with usually turn out epic.

Death are easily in my top 10 favourite band of all time list, and just the best death metal band ever. I can't understand how people can like weird tech stuff better...

Schuldiner is one of my favourite guitarists, more for his style than his technical ability.

Id disagree that his compositions suck, but of course 'suck' is subjective so arguing what sucks & doesnt back & forth is a moot point. I wouldnt agree with him not being able to handle it live either, all the live videos Ive seen have been pretty tight. If you can point me to an example of him messing up live, Ill check it oot.

Muhammed Suicmez (peace be upon him ), is also one of my favourite guitarists, & I have to say, he slays chuck on technical ability & composition. I firmly believe that muhammed could play any of Chuck's work, but Chuck couldnt play much of Muhammed's.

But comparing these two is like comparing a modern rock guitarist to Jimi Hendrix. Most modern Death Metal guitarists *will* be more technically skilled than Chuck,
Chuck was great because he was an innovator who explored new styles, not because he was a virtuoso.

Without Death; we wouldn't have a Necrophagist to compare them to. Or if we did they'd be a very different band.

& Philosonator: Chuck wins youtube debates because he has more fans, not because Death is inherently 'better' than any other band.

Theres no problem with not liking a band, but just because you dont like them, doesn't mean they suck.

& has it ever occured to you that they might be writing complex music because they want to be musically challenged & stimulated, rather than show off? Not every famous guitarist has a rock-star complex, you know.

I'm not saying Necrophagist sucks (Did I? LOL) i'm just saying i don't know how anybody can get into the technical stuff. Incorporating unusual time signatures, and odd beats into music makes it unusual to listen to and harder to adapt to, and if you think about it, it makes you think they're doing it purely just to show off, or be different...

The Philsonator wrote:
Meshuggah, Necrophagist and Brain Drill, they're just show offs, and the suck.

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you did say they suck. & is doing something to be different bad? Sometimes you want to listen to something thats more than just low E chug.

somecallmeJack wrote:Schuldiner is one of my favourite guitarists, more for his style than his technical ability.

Id disagree that his compositions suck, but of course 'suck' is subjective so arguing what sucks & doesnt back & forth is a moot point. I wouldnt agree with him not being able to handle it live either, all the live videos Ive seen have been pretty tight. If you can point me to an example of him messing up live, Ill check it oot.

I guess by 'suck', I meant that people have taken Chuck's art and perfected it to the point where I don't see much of a point in listening to Death anymore. And the Egyptian aesthetic found especially in his later work (though some will probably disagree with this) is easily topped by Dallas Toller-Wade, if that's really what I'm looking for.

I respect old Death Metal, perhaps more than anything, for changing the scope of music in it's entirety (especially Death, the oldest of them all) and allowing me to experience my favorite genre, which wouldn't be around without them. But just because I respect them doesn't mean that I have to love their music. Sure, Death easily tops most of the older Death Metal, like Cannibal Corpse and Napalm Death, and they're often cited as the originators of the genre, but they're really not at the top of my list for virtuosity. May Chuck rest in peace, though.

And as for Chuck not being able to handle his material, out of all of the live videos I've seen, his skill is a lot looser than he demonstrated in his studio recordings. Going to a Necrophagist concert, however, is much like stepping into a studio recording in and of itself. There is really little to no difference between what they sound like live from what they sound like in the studio. Sure, a lot of people will argue that you can't hold a band to this standard, but plenty of bands out there have proven that it can be done.

The Philsonator wrote:I'm not saying Necrophagist sucks (Did I? LOL) i'm just saying i don't know how anybody can get into the technical stuff. Incorporating unusual time signatures, and odd beats into music makes it unusual to listen to and harder to adapt to, and if you think about it, it makes you think they're doing it purely just to show off, or be different...

I actually used to be in your shoes a long time ago. I hated progressive and technical stuff just as much as the next guy, because it felt 'unusual', as you put it.

It took some gradual getting used to, through slightly progressive bands. I agree that jumping headfirst into some heavily technical stuff will make the average music listener go "what the hell?", due to all the strange progressions, notes seemingly 'thrown in' on top of the basic time signature, and time signature switches mid-bar.

Once you finally do get used to it (it takes a while), I find that technical and progressive metal are the most musically satisfying genres around (as long as they don't take it too far; music needs something solid to progress off of, or it just sounds like a jumble of noise. Extol is a great example of "too far"). Instead of listening to a song until it becomes "old and familiar", nearly every progressive song comes with something new every time you listen to it. It's like you can never quite see what's coming, and being able to focus on different aspects of the same song really keeps things from getting old. I find that technical progressive stuff isn't so much about showing off as it is about being aesthetically pleasing. If you really want to see some 'show-offs', go listen to some power metal.

Necrophagist is a perfect example of a Progressive Metal band that has found a perfect balance between technical extremity and basic progression. Muhammed realizes that he doesn't need to change time signatures every five seconds to keep the listener guessing, and he builds songs around a singular aesthetic, instead of being disparate and confusing. Listen to them more closely, and you'll probably notice how well all of the instruments complement each other (he even splits his vocals to match high points in his guitar playing, instead of going through the whole verse. Very interesting, if you're into that sort of thing).

Right now I'm really enjoying Scandinavian Music. Specifically:

Mayhem - Dawn of the Black Hearts (bootleg)
Gorgoroth - Pentagram
ABBA - More Gold
Europe - The Final Countdown
Pan Sonic - Resurrection River

I have eclectic tastes :-)

The Philsonator wrote:I'm not saying Necrophagist sucks (Did I? LOL) i'm just saying i don't know how anybody can get into the technical stuff. Incorporating unusual time signatures, and odd beats into music makes it unusual to listen to and harder to adapt to, and if you think about it, it makes you think they're doing it purely just to show off, or be different...

That's being overly conservative. I don't find odd signatures the least bit difficult to listen to. If you're already so firmly rooted in your tastes, then you're not in a position to criticise. It's like a person who doesn't like spicy food saying that hot curries taste like crap compared to mild ones. I'm sure if you try, you'll grow out of 'YAY I LISTEN TO METALS!!!' and actually develop a taste for the musicality. It's called 'progressive' styling - you can't argue it as 'trying to be different' when it's already in the broad genre of 'alternative music'. Are scientists and engineers 'showing off' by advancing technology? Art is a different animal, to be sure, but performers are already show-offs. They may as well be progressive while they're at it, because there's already plenty of good 4/4 riffage out there

Music that interests me generally surprises me (like clever examples of progressive music - id est NOT Dragonforce), or holds a nice series of grooves (Death's primary strength - they established the 'death groove' a lot more than the genre of 'death metal'). I find I can listen to the latter for a lot longer, but I love to find, and learn, new examples of the former.

I personally love the Hold Steady.

what?

I loves me some Midnight Oil

chaplaingrabthar wrote:I loves me some Midnight Oil

Peter Garret FTW! Love the Oils.

Ok, i think we should get back on topic, enough metal talk, the OP want's to unearth some bands they don't know of.

The Living End are awesome, and are easily one of the best Aussie bands of all time. Good punk band thas has a lots of 50s rock n roll in them.

MiSex. New Zealand newwave band from the 70's. Look up their vid 'Computer Games' on YouTube. I know the keyboardist, he's a great bloke.

The Philsonator wrote:

chaplaingrabthar wrote:I loves me some Midnight Oil

Peter Garret FTW! Love the Oils.

Yeah, how many other lead singers become government ministers

chaplaingrabthar wrote:

Yeah, how many other lead singers become government ministers

That can dance

For the record, I am the creator of AnneXadote. I had started producing AnneXadotes sound around the age of 17. I was surprised to find that someone had related my music to Akira. I also am great friends with the creator/producer of The Walter Sullivan Case and actually worked on one song with the artist in one of my older houses. I am honored to have been mentioned in the presence of the great Akira. Thank you guys for the honorable mentions.

 Chrysaor686 wrote:

Lunahound wrote:could anyone guide me to some silent hill ish music?

i believe.... they are normally labeled as:

Ambiance , new age

or something...

Well, you could always take a look at Akira Yamaoka. He wrote the soundtrack for the entire Silent Hill series, and has some solo stuff as well.

The genre is known as "Horror Ambient", though I hate that classification, considering that's exactly the kind of music I create.

Try Murder of Angels, The Walter Sullivan Project (Obvious homage to the Silent Hill series), or AnneXadote. The genre is, in all honesty, pretty rare. But Murder of Angels is one of my favorites. If you want to check out some of my personal stuff, send me a PM.

If you're looking for Yamaoka's "Coffee House Grunge" style, it's pretty much non-existant, outside of his own compositions.

Anyway, Necrophagist is my favorite band, and they're from Germany. Akira Yamaoka is (obviously) a favorite of mine, and he's from Japan. Speaking of Japan, one of my favorite composers is Hitoshi Sakimoto, and he's also a Japanese native. Opeth is great, and they hail from Sweden.

Not too into the whole Black Metal scene, or I would have a lot more to list.

EDIT: And I just had to say it...Amon Amarth are one of the LEAST heavy metal bands I've ever heard. Not that they aren't decent, but....I just don't know where this came from.

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