So I have wanted a titan for a while, I guess I really would like to have a few. It would probably be appropriate to go for a warhound titan, but I think there is a reasonable chance there may be a plastic kit for those someday in the hopefully not too distant future. Anyway, I couldn't get motivated to move forward because of that. The catalyst that actually started this project was completely unforeseen. I built three dreadnought droppods and I was left with the remnants of two droppod kits including these:


Anyway, it occurred to me that if I put some toes on these they would be about the size of a Reaver Titan foot. I kept bouncing that thought around for a while. This idea worked out well because I like the FW Reaver but I don't love it, like one thing I don't like is how do they reload that missile launcher? I laid out some plans and realized there is a lot of potential here. I used to be a submariner on a nuclear sub, I am currently an engineer, and I am a big fan of Star Wars/Star Trek so I started pouring all that inspiration into my design. So anyway here it is:


To solve the missile launcher reloading problem, I had to layout the whole interior which naturally lead to the fact that I need to do a fully detailed interior.


The Command Deck is going to be Star Trek Enterprise Bridge the missile Deck will be laid out similar to a submarine torpedo room. The platforms on top of the shoulders will be convertible to landing/launch platforms and the port and starboard transport areas will have doors allowing a squad to move onto the platforms (like an SM assault or devestator squad)

So if you haven't already figured it out this is going to be a long P&M blog. Obviously, it has already grown past the normal reaver size, but not quite Warlord sized yet. It is looking to be 18-21 inches tall. I am thinking of this as a command reaver where it is driven from the head but on the command deck there is a team and a commander supervising the overall battle. I may make it modular so that I can slap an extra carapace weapon on and call it a warlord.

So any advice/comment is greatly appreciated. Assuming that I am actually able to detail the interiors I will probably try to light the model but I am not sure how involved that would be. Also any ideas on what to use for detailing are appreciated as well. I can construct the basic form pretty easily but making it realistic inside will be tricky. I am constructing models in Sketchup with the hope of putting everything together in a building guide once I am finished.

Enjoy.

Cool idea, those sketches have piqued my interest too.

Can't wait to see more.

I was in the Navy, you couldn't figure out how they did an ammo onload?

But seriously, good luck, I like big scratch builds like this. A few scratch builders have found my guide useful (in my signature), it's for the FW Warhound though, I won't be starting on my Reaver untill later this year.

Good luck sir, I'm very impressed with the level of interior detail you're planning on this one. I used the drop pod base as the torso base on my titan, but didn't even think about using it for the feet. Will definitely be checking out this project.

So it's gonna be almost 5 inches taller than the forgeworld Reaver? Nice. Now show us some pics!

Well the obvious place to start is from the ground up. I constructed 10 toes that will be hinged into the bottom half of the droppod base. In the center a small piece of 1 1/4" diameter PVC will form the bottom of the ankle joint. All of the toes and the ankle joint will be capable of moving so that the model can be freely posed.

Here are all the pieces ready for assembly:


Here they are placed in the correct position:


Here is the scale picture:

Obviously if you are a dreadnought you want to know where the Reaver is putting its next step.

The next step will be to build up the base so that the toes can hinge into it and it looks a bit bulkier

If you are into casting, the toes would be a great place to save a lot of repetitive effort. As it is I will have to build each of them up with detail from styrene. It isn't a problem to do one toe but everything is multiplied by 10... lots of cuts, lots of glue.

jabbakahut wrote:I was in the Navy, you couldn't figure out how they did an ammo onload?

Do you think they hover a Valkyrie over the Reaver and some sap hangs out the door shoving missiles into the launcher between battles? I am just going to make some missile storage racks and then some sort of oversized servo arm loader to shove more missiles in the breach.

Oh you want it to reload while in combat, interesting idea with the crane. How did you actually make the toes? I've always wanted to get into casting, it would make so many scratch builds so much easier.

jabba - they are basically a small styrene(plasticard) box. other than the side it is just a bunch of straight cuts. They aren't too hard but they are just boxes, they have to be detailed, I am still trying to decide what to put on the front flat face.

Missile launcher? Do you mean the gatling blaster or the triple barreled one?

freaky angel wrote:Missile launcher? Do you mean the gatling blaster or the triple barreled one?

above the head

Thanks for clearing that up Can't wait to see the rest

Very cool, I never thought of using the drop pod plates as feet this looks very promising, keep it up

OK, here is the pretty much finished foot:


So one of the big tricks here was to mount the edge of a PVC cylinder to a pentagonal styrene pyramid. I tried filing it down but quickly realized there was no hope in getting a clean joint with no large gaps. I broke out the hot glue gun to fill the gap and give a little plyability to the joint. It seems to work pretty well. Green stuff would probably work just as well.

The hinge structures are hollow styrene structures. The mounts for the regular drop pod hinges are still used but I made small brass pins so that the joints will still be able to move. The toes have almost 90 degrees of movement.

Here is another view:


1.5 down about 18" left to go....

So the next part is to buildup the ankle joint. Ball and socket joint is in order. Here is the preview:

Hmm..
If you want an idea for the missles reloading, perhaps something like a internal belt feed like on the Vulcan cannon connected from the back of the launcher to an internal magazine.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7658028@N06/471345014/

A belt fed missile launcher? Interesting looking, but makes no sense.

Anyone have any advice on where to get the extra Missiles that come in the whirlwind kit. Battlewagon bits sells the whole whirlwind sprue for $15... a bit much just to get the missile.

Also I am looking for 1/8"-1/2" transparent acrylic rod in either green, blue or maybe orange for the plasma reactor. I found a few places that sell it but there are large minimums for each color. I would like a little bit of each color. Is there anyone that sells a small multicolor pack or small amounts of specific colors?

I should have some updates on the legs soon.

I have no idea where to get either of those things. But that is a nice foot you have there.

ptlangley wrote:Anyone have any advice on where to get the extra Missiles that come in the whirlwind kit. Battlewagon bits sells the whole whirlwind sprue for $15... a bit much just to get the missile.

Also I am looking for 1/8"-1/2" transparent acrylic rod in either green, blue or maybe orange for the plasma reactor. I found a few places that sell it but there are large minimums for each color. I would like a little bit of each color. Is there anyone that sells a small multicolor pack or small amounts of specific colors?

I should have some updates on the legs soon.

Try calling some of the vendors and ask for some samples. As long as you aren't asking for a large quantity, or large lengths, you should be able to get them.

Also, this looks to be very cool.

Well it looks more or less like the model:



Here is a shot of the innards:


Just a bunch of nylon hardware threaded through the bottom of the foot.

And here is a better look at it in cross section.


The spring keeps pressure between the curved PVC end cap and a PVC cylinder inside the ankle.

The pistons are just nested styrene tubes.

This is a superimposed image showing the full motion of the ankle ball joint:


Combined with the styrene tubes and jointed toes there is a decent range of motion:


Next up is the legs. I think I may see if I can move this over to the P&M tutorials, maybe I can use it in the big tutorial contest.

Pure goodnes.

Tutorial contest? Do tell mroe about that!

Malika2 wrote:Tutorial contest? Do tell mroe about that!

I guess you never visit the Dakka main page?

I smell a falling titan. Nice job, the custom joints are cool and even cooler since they can actually move and what-not. Very very cool

Sorry if it was listed above, but what did you make the pistons from? Is it two sizes of plasticard straws/rod?

If so, where do you get it, I have no decent hobby shop nearby and need some plasticard!

looks awesome, this could be the nest scratch reaver yet.

I'm looking forward to the interior detail.

Mmmmyeah, twist that boot, titan boy!

I really like it. It is both ambitious and crazy.

MWG sells colored tube in multiple sizes, I believe.

ptlangley wrote:Anyone have any advice on where to get the extra Missiles that come in the whirlwind kit. Battlewagon bits sells the whole whirlwind sprue for $15... a bit much just to get the missile.

Also I am looking for 1/8"-1/2" transparent acrylic rod in either green, blue or maybe orange for the plasma reactor. I found a few places that sell it but there are large minimums for each color. I would like a little bit of each color. Is there anyone that sells a small multicolor pack or small amounts of specific colors?

I should have some updates on the legs soon.

Have a look at armorcasts page, they sell resin rockets and missiles, including hamster rockets!

When I scratched a thawk I bought a box of various missles and rockets from a model airplane store.

s.j.mccartney wrote:Sorry if it was listed above, but what did you make the pistons from? Is it two sizes of plasticard straws/rod?

If so, where do you get it, I have no decent hobby shop nearby and need some plasticard!

Basically, the small diameter piece is 1/8" diameter styrene tube and the top portion is actually two tubes nested a 3/16" diameter with a 1/4" diameter over the top. I was afraid it didn't look substantial enough with just the 3/16" tube. It still seems a little on the small side, if I did it again I would probably bump everything up a 1/16".

I have a hobby shop that carries a little bit of evergreen plastics(http://www.evergreenscalemodels.com/) and plastruct products rack(http://www.plastruct.com/) that I got them from.

They both seem to have some international distribution listed on their websites. Evergreen is a slightly higher quality, but plastruct has more variety.

Shadow Nugz wrote:I smell a falling titan. Nice job, the custom joints are cool and even cooler since they can actually move and what-not. Very very cool

Yeah I have to say that concerns me a bit but the drop pod base really carries the load. Eventually I will make a custom base that this will attach to. I would like to make the base removable so that I could pull it off and change its position if I wanted to. I was originally planning to pose it and glue it but the mechanisms are work so well it would be a shame to do it if I can avoid it.

Here are the sketches for the legs. Basically they are all PVC. It took a little trial and error to find the combination to sizes that seem like the right scale. The nice thing is that PVC is easy to work with and try different things out with.

Here is the overall plan with sizes. I have labeled the pieces that were cut.



So now on to the details starting at the bottom, the red areas are where cuts were made:



Nothing too tricky on this one. By adjusting how much is taken off the end cap it is possible to limit the maximum motion of the ankle joint.

And the knee joint:

OK, this one is a bit tougher. The upper part will nest inside the lower knee joint and will have a range of motion about 90 degrees through that open slot. I think I actually
had to use two couplers due to loss of material when making cuts. The 1 1/4" inner piece is just a little smaller than the 1 1/2" coupler piece so some thin plasticard is wrapped around to keep it tight, as long as the body doesn't weigh 20 pounds it should easily support the weight without shifting.

Oh yeah the piece below the knee is more art than science. A 2" hole bit was drilled more or less perpendicular to the pipe to produce a 2" rounded surface. I then wrap sand paper around the piece it will be glued to and shape the mating surface to a very close match. A little PVC cement and it is done.

Finally the hip:


Super easy, basically just trimmed it down to match the width of th eouter part of the Knee joint below.

I will get some pictures of the real pieces up here shortly.

Most impressive

Awesome schizzle

Impressive. You use autocad?

Dude, what program did you use to do those drawings, awesome!

wow thats amazin and i bet itll be better than the proper titan

Google Sketchup - Free and super easy to use if you have any CAD experience whatsoever. I have been playing around with the different styles.

http://sketchup.google.com/

I think after I finish this I may try to write up a guide with more detailed pictures/dimensions etc.

Here is a pic of the knees in progress:



Here are all the pieces laid out prior to assembly:



And finally fitting everything together, with a dread for scale:



I also wanted to mention my primary tool on this part of the build.


Miter saw is pretty much essential. At first I was trying to cut too fast and shreading the PVC. If you slow your cuts down you get super clean edges. Some of the more complicated cuts such as the knees have to be cleaned up with a hobby knife and file.

So next will be finishing up the knee and adding the hydraulics to the thigh.

looks promising. Look forward to the finished project.

I use google sketchup all the time, I still don't know how you got that look. Seems like a pro feature. Is it Piranesi export?

jabbakahut wrote:I use google sketchup all the time, I still don't know how you got that look. Seems like a pro feature. Is it Piranesi export?

No it is the free version. You might make sure you have the latest version, mine is version 7.0.10247. You have to select styles under the "Window" menu:



There are tons of options and each of those can be further modified. I presume you could import other styles from other sources as well. Which I may have to look for now that I think of it.

Thanks. Have you already figured how you will do the greaves?

Jabba, I think that will leave that till later. I am somewhat hesitant to do it because I want the pistons to still be visible to a degree.

The idea I am currently thinking about is to have vertical supports between the pistons on the lower shin and then to place flat or curved pieces of styrene sheet (1/16" or 1/8") thick between the vertical pieces to cover most of the pistons. I may only do the front three toes and leave the backside open or at least lighter armored.

I also need a knee shield which I haven't even thought about yet. Any ideas?

Upper legs are basically done.

Straight on view:


Inside and outside, side views:

The ends of the knee joints are a 1" gear from an old VCR and a metal valve piece. The Hip is capped by a Brita pitcher filter. I am not sure if I like the knobby end on it though.

Closeup of the upper leg pistons:


Detail of the Piston mechanism:


So this was overly complicated to make it work but basically I had to bore out a slot in the bottom of the Hip joint insert the top of both pistons and then put a brass rod through to pin them so they can rotate forward and aft. Basically I made a rod end bearing. It works but I had to shave the pper parts down to prevent them from interfering with each other. There is probably a better wat to do this but this works and looks kinda cool too.

I thought a bit more about the greaves:


This is a little off center, but it gives the idea. The greaves are 10 pieces and cover the front three pistons. The aft 2 pistons will be left exposed. I will probably add some other decorative details to break up the flat areas (Eagles, skulls, all that jazz.)

I almost forgot:


It is blurry because of movement in the ankle. You get the idea.

Wow, you really got a range of options with the leg positions now, great job. I liked the Britta filter, noticed it instantly-I love finding stuff like that in everyday life which works perfect for a model.

Impressive work so far!

Wow.. thats pretty impressive..

Dude, you are awesome.

I wasn't too sure with your previous posts of just the feet, but now that I see the legs I'm a believer!! This is gonna be an awesome titan. I see that you have an idea for the greaves, but have you considered lengthening them above the knee? then you wouldn't need another knee guard piece.

But hey, you don't need my advice! Its looking fantastic, keep the good work coming!

Here are a couple of quick images of the Hips up to the engineering deck:

Hips , reactor containment and Engineering Deck:


Here is the general layout, the fwd end is at the bottom. The bump out at the top is going to have an access ladder to get into the reactor vessel.


And here is a pic of what we have so far on top of the legs:


I expect that the head will be one of the last things I will do, but if anyone has any ideas on what it should/could look like I am open to ideas. I haven't come up with anything good. All that I really intend to have in there is drivers.

How much is this costing for you to build? If its cheaper than buying a revaer I might grab my hacksaw!!! I joke, but I am intriged at how much the materials and machinery are costing for this big, little project.

Holy freaking crap! That's awsome! There's talanted model makers then there's you dude. Kudos on the brilliant work and I look forward to following this thread to the finished article.

I love it. I'll draw you a picture of what the head could look like. I'd be interested to know a total tally of how much the raw materials cost too!

keep on trucking

Are you talking about what to do for the interior of the head, or what the exterior should look like? I would presume you are going with the standard Reaver squished head. Also, if you need any reference photos for ideas, I have a FW reaver I've yet to assemble-just tell me what you want a photo of and I can provide it.

theocd wrote:How much is this costing for you to build? If its cheaper than buying a reaver I might grab my hacksaw!!! I joke, but I am intrigued at how much the materials and machinery are costing for this big, little project.

I have actually been tracking the styrene that I have purchased but I normally have to buy much more in a package than I need so far. PVC is pretty cheap. I had the droppod bases left over from another project and for the top I will be sacrificing the better part of a Land Raider. I will see if I can put together a detailed materials list but I am going to guess I will spend $300 but it will consume less than $200 of materials leaving me with a bunch of extra bits and styrene (there will have to be a few more smaller titans in the future). There is a good chance I will be spending some cash on some titan crew. I figure I may need almost a dozen crew to drive this thing.

Tools... those I already have. The only tools I have purchased so far are #11 exacto blades (and lots of them).

So if I don't count my time, then it will definitely be cheaper than FW, and hopefully it will look as good, not to mention the moving parts and hopefully fully detailed interior.
Of course I don't count my time because:
1 - This is my hobby
2 - I am having alot of fun learning how to do this

I will see what I can do about refining that cost.

s.j.mccartney wrote:I love it. I'll draw you a picture of what the head could look like. I'd be interested to know a total tally of how much the raw materials cost too!

keep on trucking

Cool I'd love to see some ideas. I am not stuck on the standard or conventional head designs.

jabbakahut wrote:Are you talking about what to do for the interior of the head, or what the exterior should look like? I would presume you are going with the standard Reaver squished head. Also, if you need any reference photos for ideas, I have a FW reaver I've yet to assemble-just tell me what you want a photo of and I can provide it.

Mostly exterior. For the interior I am planning on basically 2 drivers side by side, and some type of supervisor type behind them. Exterior, I keep thinking some sort of animal head, maybe a double headed aquila, just kidding. I keep thinking maybe a Lion (this will be supporting my Dark Angels afterall) but I can't think of a way to do it and make it look cool. I would like to see whatever pictures you have.

So I started thinking about the crew:

1 Overall Commander
1 Junior Officer
2 Bridge Attendants
2 Main Gunners
2 Auxillary gunners
2 Drivers
1 Driving Officer
1 Weapons Officer
1 Engineering Officer
2-4 servitors loading weapons/running the reactor
A servo skull running coffee to the bridge


Wow, now that I write that down it sounds a little ridiculous. Did I forget anyone?

You said lion and my first thought is...

I would start at the cheap toy bin, find one of those plastic animals.

From there you can add bits to mechanize it, or use is as a sculpt example to mechanize from the ground up.
In all seriousness, Voltron style isn't a bad way to go either.

Nice, ok I guess that idea is out.

Let the Land Raider Cannibalization begin...

Here are a couple pics of the Engineering Deck forward and aft bulkheads:


The port side will be ventilation, stbd side will be the hydraulic plant. The forward walls will contain anti personnel weapon mounts (Twin linked heavy bolters most likely). I can't figure out why you would build this huge walker and wouldn't throw a few extra weapons on. In game terms they won't do anything but they should look pretty cool.

The Engineering Deck is getting assembled. The forward and aft views:



Detail of the Aft view:



Here is an update on the overall model:



So the next layer will be the Primary Deck which will be the base of the Transport sections, the Missile Deck and the arm supports:


These two pieces will be used to make a composite panel with Styrene I-Beam such that he deck is about 1/2" thick and super stiff for the weapons mounts.

The outer hull will be made of a modified Landraider hull. Here are the pieces prior to cutting showing where the cuts will be:


I was thinking about cutting the center column so that I might be able to make a landspeeder hanger but it would have taken up too much space internally and I would have to make a highly modified landspeeder (folding wings, etc.). So the plastic between the doors will stay. There will also be cuts to allow the Primary Deck to pass through to the weapons mounts.

Where do you get 18" pieces of plastic like that?

Evergreen sells sheet materials in multiple different sizes up to 8x21". That was key to getting those parts to work.

http://www.evergreenscalemodels.com/Sheets.htm#White%20Economy%20Packs

Primary Deck Photos.

Here is the Modified Land Raider Hull sides:


Here are all the parts laid out together:

So it is made of 0.060" Sheet with 3/8" Plastruct I Beams for stiffening. Overall about 1/2" thick and plenty stiff to support the entire Deck out to the weapons mounts.

And assembled:

Holes will accommodate the Shoulder platform mounts and weapons mounts.

Isometric:


So the center portion will be the missile Deck and the hole will be a lower weapons storage area. I am finishing up the central column that will connect the Engineering deck to the Primary Deck and support the command deck.

Wow, just... wow.

Sweet!

I'm looking forward to seeing this one finished.


Nice job so far.

Now for the piece that will hold the torso together:


Sideview showing the head mount at the left and the aft end to the right. The indention at the top will be for a ladder to the command deck. Overall this creates the side bulkheads for both the engineering deck and the weapons deck.

From the front:

The pin allows a small amount of rotation for the head. I am thinking about just oving this piece and the aft bulkhead down to the Engineering deck so that I will be able to open up the engineering deck when the titan is complete.

and the next step will be the roof for the Weapons Deck. Here are the cuts laid out:


All I have left is the upper deck and Command level before I can put a picture of the full superstructure up.

You said earlier you were in need of ideas for a head, how about modifying (Read cutting down) the main body of a valkarie and then repositioning the nose so that its part of the body (also providing you with two crew). you would have to flatten off and mechanise the nose and lose about an inch off the valkarie body in width height and length but it could work.

Sirius42 wrote:You said earlier you were in need of ideas for a head, how about modifying (Read cutting down) the main body of a valkarie and then repositioning the nose so that its part of the body (also providing you with two crew). you would have to flatten off and mechanise the nose and lose about an inch off the valkarie body in width height and length but it could work.

Interesting, I am just now looking at ordering a couple of Valkyries. They will be for my IG, but I will keep that idea in mind when it gets here.

I like the Valk idea, I was just looking at someones star wars army and think that an AT-AT head modified would look pretty cool.

A valk head would look a bit like the 'vulture' mech from battletech. I love the pics, great to see you've been hard at work!

I think you should use one of these...


Slurpee... yum, promotional slurpee cup sold for $3 when Ironman came out. From your pictures it seems the right size and would give you a good starting point to build off of. Its hollow, so you can do things to the inside. Don't know where you'd get one anymore.

very nice, but its not too late to add another carapace gun adn call it a warlord.

most people scratchbuild titans one clas too big. Warlord the size of Imperators, now Reasvers the size of warlords.

From the pictures of dreadnopught and the pairs of legs the itan is definately a warlord. The Reavers feet are only slightly bigger than the dreadnoughts base.

also the size 'five inches taller than the Forgeworld Reaver, that is Warlord scale right there.

add the extra gun and this will be one of the few Warlords out there that is the right size for its name.

Orlanth wrote:very nice, but its not too late to add another carapace gun adn call it a warlord.

most people scratchbuild titans one clas too big. Warlord the size of Imperators, now Reasvers the size of warlords.

From the pictures of dreadnopught and the pairs of legs the itan is definately a warlord. The Reavers feet are only slightly bigger than the dreadnoughts base.

also the size 'five inches taller than the Forgeworld Reaver, that is Warlord scale right there.

add the extra gun and this will be one of the few Warlords out there that is the right size for its name.

I agree with these sentiments. I've noticed the samething. I actually forgot the title of this thread and thought it was for building a Warlord.

To ptlangley have you thought about buying the individual FW weapons for the titans or are you going to scratch build it all?

I really like the progress you have so far, it's a lot of extra work keeping the interiors open and doing the wall construction like you have. I'm surprised you didn't just go with sheets of foamcore then cover them with styrene, as that seems to be the trend when building big stuff.

I'm not sure how large the lego bionical heads are but a nunber of those have been used for paladin/knight titans and some of them do have a good look to them. The iron man head would be awesome, repainted it'd be hard to tell what it came from especially if any modifications were done to it, I'm sure they'd be on ebay and quite cheap.

As previously mentioned, if you want a boxy styled head there's a couple differant model kits for the AT-AT and AT-ST available from star wars, or take the head off of one of the AT-ST Walker toys, it has a mean cut and look to it and you can pick them up for around $10-20 on ebay.

An alternate for the valk cockpit would be to pick up a model kit for an apache helicopter, it has a simular canopy style and may be much cheaper. Years back in rogue trader era white dwarf featured a titan made from combining a AT-St walker for the legs and then an armored body with apache helicopter forming the fuslage and cockpit.

There's also this Gi Joe toy that was converted into a cool imperial transport capable of airlifting baneblades

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After:

ptlangley wrote:So I started thinking about the crew:

1 Overall Commander
1 Junior Officer
2 Bridge Attendants
2 Main Gunners
2 Auxillary gunners
2 Drivers
1 Driving Officer
1 Weapons Officer
1 Engineering Officer
2-4 servitors loading weapons/running the reactor
A servo skull running coffee to the bridge

Wow, now that I write that down it sounds a little ridiculous. Did I forget anyone?

Possibly a communications officer if that isn't handled by a bridge attendant.

I assume your engineering officer is a tech-priest so you have that covered. (Wouldn't want those servitors to get mind-locked with no one around to get them working let alone the rest of the machine spirits)

And ofcourse you missed a priest, but thats totally up to you and your army's flavour.

Orlanth wrote:very nice, but its not too late to add another carapace gun adn call it a warlord.

most people scratchbuild titans one clas too big. Warlord the size of Imperators, now Reasvers the size of warlords.

From the pictures of dreadnopught and the pairs of legs the itan is definately a warlord. The Reavers feet are only slightly bigger than the dreadnoughts base.

also the size 'five inches taller than the Forgeworld Reaver, that is Warlord scale right there.

add the extra gun and this will be one of the few Warlords out there that is the right size for its name.

I had been thinking about this lately. I expected this would be larger than a regular Reaver, but it is turning out about 4" taller than I expected. The plan all along has been to build an apocalypse missile launcher into the weapons deck. There will be a large open area on the roof above the command deck that I can mount an additional weapon. I will magnetize it so the weapon is removable. Since I only have one titan it would be nice to be able to play it either way. I will probably make a damocles comms antenna as a separate option if, i am also looking at making some AA mounts that I can put on as options.... and this is why I expect to be finished in a few years.


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jabbakahut wrote:I like the Valk idea, I was just looking at someones star wars army and think that an AT-AT head modified would look pretty cool.

Yeah I thought about the AT-AT head as well. I would like to deviate a bit from anything that has been done before but that is a good basic form.


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Strimen wrote:
Possibly a communications officer if that isn't handled by a bridge attendant.

I assume your engineering officer is a tech-priest so you have that covered. (Wouldn't want those servitors to get mind-locked with no one around to get them working let alone the rest of the machine spirits)

And of course you missed a priest, but thats totally up to you and your army's flavour.

Yeah I will have to think about it a bit more but there should be some imperial lackeys hanging about like a sage or priest on the bridge. Yeah the engineer officer will be tech priestish. I may have a couple of servitors in storage somewhere (think star trek borg) that can be activated as additional loaders or damage control etc.


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aka_mythos wrote:I agree with these sentiments. I've noticed the samething. I actually forgot the title of this thread and thought it was for building a Warlord.

To ptlangley have you thought about buying the individual FW weapons for the titans or are you going to scratch build it all?

Yeah I think I will buy a lasblaster and maybe the fist and of course the weapons will be magnetized so I will probably scratchbuild a volcano cannon, an extra las blaster.

ptlangley wrote:
I had been thinking about this lately. I expected this would be larger than a regular Reaver, but it is turning out about 4" taller than I expected. The plan all along has been to build an apocalypse missile launcher into the weapons deck. There will be a large open area on the roof above the command deck that I can mount an additional weapon. I will magnetize it so the weapon is removable. Since I only have one titan it would be nice to be able to play it either way. I will probably make a damocles comms antenna as a separate option if, i am also looking at making some AA mounts that I can put on as options.... and this is why I expect to be finished in a few years.

Even better, as you will be cramping the command deck right next to a tiran BFG you might as well move the guns onto the shoulders, and include an extra one. This will save up room for the command deck. As far as what to put on top, the answer is simple, a helipad. or better yet a dome see below.*

Now again the old epic rules allowed for Carapace mounted command decks, well actually fire control decks and helipads on guess what....Warlord titans.

http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2119epictitanparts-m.htm
look on the top right.

These used to fit into the two peg holes behind the weapons peg holes instead of banners. Some command control upgrades were so big they took up a full weapon slot.

You could take advantage of that and declare your Warlord to have three weapons or four as the game permits. It is no great stretch to claim that the extra crew decking reduced the structural integrity and took up void shield space if you so wish. Or more reasonably pay for a Rever titan plus some points to account for the extra hull and shields. A round 2k would do.

As for the carapace weapons, leave empty sockets so you can fill therm as needed, shoulder mounts help because of versatility. * here the idea of having an ornate more palatial command deck can help. With a transparent dome you can see in and view the detail, also Imperial commanders being senior will warrant a lot of personal space, the walking command centre/bunker/general's palace is very Imperium. Furthermore having a central dome pushes the much neeed helipad onto one of the shoulders, vacating the qweapon there. This way you can have a three weapon or four weapon titan without lobsiding it by using a large Helipad on a carapace weapon slot. this doesnt mean you cant have a second small personal helipad or shuttle bay for the general on the back.

According to old rules these helipads came with a free Landspeeder, this is not a space marine vehicle, at this level IG high command have access to them for personal transport, the rules allowed it to be used to spot for the titan battlegroup, which sounds horribly nasty to me.

Muhahaha... I am already headed in the helipad direction


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Well the Top Deck and Command Deck are formed:



The holes in the command deck are for the ladders down to the Weapons Deck

And since the helipad idea is out of the bag:

this is the normal defensive position... but say you want to deploy a space marine assault squad or land a speeder:


This is based of the top part of the drop pod base.

Anyone hinged the side doors on a land raider? I played around with it but I am afraid it is not going to be robust enough for multiple opening and closing cycles.

Is there enough deck space for additional weapons on the top deck?

Goodness gracious! This had progressed far! I am impressed! You've basically scratch-built a Titan from PVC and styrene!!! Wow.

As for the crew of this auspicious Reaver, there really isn't such thing as a Titan "driver". There's a Princeps, who is hooked into the machine and controls it as if it were his own body. There are also Moderati, who work communications and targeting systems. There is an enginseer in the engine room, (possibly more than one) and the guns are manned by servitors. (Or, occasionally the Princeps, if he feels like it.)

So assuming the Princeps is taking the place of your three drivers, and removing the gunners and replacing them with your engineering servitors (who are slaved to the guns) I'd make the list something like this:

1 Princeps
2 Moderati (or three, assuming you want one there to monitor ammunition supplies)
2 Main gun servitors
2 Auxiliary gun servitors
1 Enginseer(perhaps more, if you want somebody to deal with ammunition re-supplies for the missile launcher.)
A servo skull running coffee to the bridge (Most definitely keep the servo-skull. Coffee is important. )

You could also add an infantry commander and his team to that count, because you said this was a command Titan.

(Sorry to hijack your crew estimates.)

Anyway, keep it up!

If you get that shoulder landing pad working properly, I will buy a beer in your honour.

I don't know if people build their Titans too big. The artwork is very vague on it, some pictures have the Titans big, but not gigantic while other artwork has Reaver Titans towering over cities.

The Imperator Titan for example should be able to hold hundreds of men in the legs alone, yet the existing model doesn't seem to reflect that. So a Titan model for 40k that is a bit bigger or smaller to me isn't really such a big problem.

Brother Captain Andrecus wrote:

As for the crew of this auspicious Reaver, there really isn't such thing as a Titan "driver". There's a Princeps, who is hooked into the machine and controls it as if it were his own body. There are also Moderati, who work communications and targeting systems. There is an enginseer in the engine room, (possibly more than one) and the guns are manned by servitors. (Or, occasionally the Princeps, if he feels like it.)

So assuming the Princeps is taking the place of your three drivers, and removing the gunners and replacing them with your engineering servitors (who are slaved to the guns) I'd make the list something like this:

1 Princeps
2 Moderati (or three, assuming you want one there to monitor ammunition supplies)
2 Main gun servitors
2 Auxiliary gun servitors
1 Enginseer(perhaps more, if you want somebody to deal with ammunition re-supplies for the missile launcher.)
A servo skull running coffee to the bridge (Most definitely keep the servo-skull. Coffee is important. )

You could also add an infantry commander and his team to that count, because you said this was a command Titan.

(Sorry to hijack your crew estimates.)

Anyway, keep it up!

Old background (early 90's) crew = 1 Princeps and 1 moderati per big gun.

New background = 1 princeps, 1 Tech priest, 2-4 Moderati.

Neither titan listed servitors as crew, they existed as part of the machinery.

The main difference is that Titan crew used to man a gun each, now you just have one weapons moderatus on the bridge, which makes more sense. The Princeps is the pilot and vessel captain combined, he only has loose control over gunnery in the same way a tank or naval commander directs fire, the fire control moderatus does all that with servitors providing automated aiming.

now your command deck will be different, in the way a CIC is seperate from the bridge of a ship.

You will need room for:

1 General
1 Aide De Camp
space for attached advisors

communications staff
tactical staff
door guards

in order and in reason.
1 general, you have one person in overall charge.

A general should have an Aide de camp, normally an experienced senior staff officer himself, normally a major.

'Attached advisors' this will be a fluctuating number but space should be allocated for them even if not normally present. at a minimum I would say three 'guest spaces' one for a senior commissar, one for a visiting commander such as a PDF general, planetary governor or senior representative from the adeptus astartes or Inquisition who is accompanying your armies advance. Then you need one space for that persons immediate aide. The rest of the retuinue if any need not be allowed in the CIC. I would leave room for a further pair of dignitary and aide. Only the general and dignitaries require room for seating, aides can stand.

Communications staff. Only one communications officer need be pressnt as interface with the general, but he should have two of three comms staff lining switchboards for communications to an army, this is accounting for heravy automation and servitors doing the majority of the work. General speaks to the commas officer, comms officer relays orders to the switchboard staff, the switchboard staff will be lining walls and largely quiet and non intrusive. The communicatios officer should have a chair, but will often stand.

Tactical staff. again one tactical officer to interface with the general, with very heavy automation you might have everything else done by servitors, might have a second who will be more or less permenatly seated. The tactical officer is likely to stand, by the map table/holotank/holoscreen but will have a stool somewhere.

Two door guards. Standing room only, by the door. You need two one either side, one can be overcome quickly, two is more problematic, while not essential they are a command courtesy and would logically fit the Imperium well as everyone is to be watched because of the prevelance of treason.

Any others. An orderly or two, just to make the drinks and run with messages. then we can add Imperium specific human furniture like an autoscribe and an astropath.

My final tally:

Active in the room
1 General
1 Aide de Camp
1 Commissar
2 visiting dignitaries, preferably room for two more. With good seating for half present
1 tactical officer
1 Communications officer
1 autoscribe (they tend to get close and lean in)

Around the skirts of the room
2+ swirtchboard staff
1 tactical aide
2 door guards
1 orderly
1 scribe
1 astropath

Room for a minimum of sixteen persons, plus servitors. Techpriests might not be present, technical staff are on site but called into the room only when needed to fix something. Though a senior Adeptus Mechanicus member would be counted as a dignitary.

Orlanth wrote:

Now again the old epic rules allowed for Carapace mounted command decks, well actually fire control decks and helipads on guess what....Warlord titans.

http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2119epictitanparts-m.htm
look on the top right.

These used to fit into the two peg holes behind the weapons peg holes instead of banners. Some command control upgrades were so big they took up a full weapon slot.

Does anyone have better pictures of any of the parts shown in the website above? I am particularly interested to look at the Dragon and Eagle Heads.

You would be very lucky to source those bits.

OK the landing pad/assault platforms are roughed out:

Here is the start... 1 down 9 to go:


Halfway through... 5 down 5 to go:


Here is where it will be mounted:


Ok now for the money shots.

Platform secured:


Platform rigged for landing or to be manned:


So the idea is that a Space marine assault squad can be transported in the hull and then the pad can be deployed for them to launch off of

-or-

some devestators or a IG heavy weapons team could use the shoulder as a firing position

-or-

land speeders could be carried on the pads and possibly be used for scouting ahead of the the titan or as spotter units for long range weapons.

it turns out that a dreadnought fits up there as well... but that is just a silly idea.

I am trying to decide how best to fill the gaps between the movable wallswhen deployed. It is possible but it will make it much more complicated. I would love to make it large enough to accomodate an Arvus Lighter so that the command team could fly in but I am afraid that may make it too big. DOes anyone out there have an Arvus. How does it compare in size to a Land speeder or better yet what are its dimesions roughly?


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Orlanth wrote:You would be very lucky to source those bits.

I am just hoping someone maybe has them and can get a picture or knows where I could find a higher resolution photo.

Hmm, a Land Speeder might be fitting. I remember the old Titans could have some sort of Land Speeder unit which functioned as a spotter of a sorts.

Malika2 wrote:Hmm, a Land Speeder might be fitting. I remember the old Titans could have some sort of Land Speeder unit which functioned as a spotter of a sorts.

Orlanth was commenting on this a bit before. Does anyone know where the rules for things like this were? Adeptus Titanicus? While I expect I will normally play this as either a Warlord or Reaver I would like to come up with an Apocalypse Datasheet that captures some of the unique features.

Land speeder for indirect fire spotting.

Maybe you could use them as an Anti-Air platform?

If Hydras would fit of course

Disjointed Entity wrote:Maybe you could use them as an Anti-Air platform?

If Hydras would fit of course

Yeah that was a fourth option I forgot to mention earlier. I think a typical hydra would be too large. I was actually thinking of buying and modifying some forgeworld Sabre defence platforms.


Heavy stubber isn't the best anti air weapon but the quad barrels fits well.


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OK - Here is the assembled main superstructure:


Frontal view. It looks a little crooked probably because the legs are not fully glued yet.


Side View - the leg pistons are showing a little twist but those are easy to straighten out

Ah lets see if he is ready for his first steps:


Here is a closeup of the back:


And here is a closeup of the current Apocalypse Missile Launcher Design:

Any thoughts on how this looks?

So that is the super structure. I still have to get the top deck of the Command Bridge finished and that will have a second carapace weapon mount. I think I am going to take a little break from this to gather my thoughts on how to do the detailing. I will probably move from area to area inside and then I am still thinking about the head and that will kind of dictate the theme of the rest of the outside. My first and main army is Dark Angels so I am still leaning to a Lion theme and the name "Vengeance of Caliban" Not sure how there were enough people around to build this after Caliban was destroyed (or where or how for that matter), Maybe it was squirreled away somewhere in the chunk of Caliban that became the Rock. Anyway, hope you enjoy.

You sir, are an engineering god. A "Machine God" if you will. I continue to be amazed at what you do with styrene and a few kit bits. The launcher is looking good, the whole outline of the titan is coming together nicely.

One thing bothers me though. Even though the DA are your main army, it might be overkill to "give them" this titan.
You could possibly link it to them, by including a DA senior officer on the command deck, but keeping an IG general or such as the central figure?
This way you also get a sort of "council of war" feel to the whole thing, which could be really cool... Just me brainstorming, take from it what you will.

Again, excellent excellent work. Still two-three weeks till I´m back to modeling.

This is pure hobby goodnes

This is pure awesomeness! By the way, what kind of head will it get?

Malika2 wrote:This is pure awesomeness! By the way, what kind of head will it get?

Still undecided, leaning towards a lion head but I have no idea how I would actually make it.


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Xanthos wrote:
One thing bothers me though. Even though the DA are your main army, it might be overkill to "give them" this titan.
You could possibly link it to them, by including a DA senior officer on the command deck, but keeping an IG general or such as the central figure?
This way you also get a sort of "council of war" feel to the whole thing, which could be really cool... Just me brainstorming, take from it what you will.

A lot of why I was leaning this way is that I have plenty of Dark Angel bits and pieces lying around that I could use for detailing. I might have to sketchup a few ideas.

ptlangley wrote:

Malika2 wrote:Hmm, a Land Speeder might be fitting. I remember the old Titans could have some sort of Land Speeder unit which functioned as a spotter of a sorts.

Orlanth was commenting on this a bit before. Does anyone know where the rules for things like this were? Adeptus Titanicus? While I expect I will normally play this as either a Warlord or Reaver I would like to come up with an Apocalypse Datasheet that captures some of the unique features.

The rules for the landspeeder landing pad may have been in a White Dwarf in the 100 series. The rules were something along the line of the titan bringing along a land speeder, and if it was still alive and had LOS to the target then the titan got to-hit bonuses.

Flinty wrote:

ptlangley wrote:

Malika2 wrote:Hmm, a Land Speeder might be fitting. I remember the old Titans could have some sort of Land Speeder unit which functioned as a spotter of a sorts.

Orlanth was commenting on this a bit before. Does anyone know where the rules for things like this were? Adeptus Titanicus? While I expect I will normally play this as either a Warlord or Reaver I would like to come up with an Apocalypse Datasheet that captures some of the unique features.

The rules for the landspeeder landing pad may have been in a White Dwarf in the 100 series. The rules were something along the line of the titan bringing along a land speeder, and if it was still alive and had LOS to the target then the titan got to-hit bonuses.

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first of all i'd like to tell you how much i'm impressed by this project.
regarding the landing pad for e.g. landspeeders .... - my titan does also have one that i simply use as landingpad within the protection of the titans shields. this means, that in battle it simply carries a landspeeder that starts to strike, when there's a need to. when it is on the pad, it can not be attacked directly.
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regarding your background. what about simply assuming, that the titna is a IG one, but was somehow decorated over and over with DA-stuff to honor this chapter because of e.g. some special events from the past ... ?! ... than you could add all the DA-stuff, but still keep it fluffy ?! ...
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But erm...the Imperial Guard and the Space Marines don't own Titans... Maybe it's Legion has been fighting alongside the Dark Angels every since the Great Crusade and that the Titan has a few of these decoration to show it's alliance?

Hi

Looks really good - I particularly like how you still have all the posable actuation so that it looks very realistic when you pose it moving.

Everything looks nice to me except the land raider parts - at the moment they look too much like parts ripped from a kit whereas everything else looks like it is meant to be there. May be different when its done though.

Keep it up - love how you've done it!

That beer I drank the other night? That was for you.

Though I think this latest update deserves further tribute.

This is frigging genius...

That's all I can say.

Oh yeah, I love the fact that it can be re positioned

All I gotta say is wow, pretty indepth titan, with working legs to boot. Probably the best scratch built imperial I've seen to day. I am going to keep an eye on this thread. I've always want to build on myself but the sheer magnitude of thinking and designing involve often through me off before I could start. You've rekindle that desire to build one again.

Wow, very well engineered, looks great! now if only you could make it walk by itself...

Oh sure--look who's got an engineering doctorate and a construction lab while the rest of us are all hooting and fiddling with our own poop...

HEY! that was not my own poop. that would be discusting. i love this progect, my only problem is, how are you gona deal with the paint scraching of the multitude of joints onece it finished?

ptlangley wrote:

Yeah that was a fourth option I forgot to mention earlier. I think a typical hydra would be too large. I was actually thinking of buying and modifying some forgeworld Sabre defence platforms.


Heavy stubber isn't the best anti air weapon but the quad barrels fits well.

Try these then:

diablarist wrote:HEY! that was not my own poop. that would be discusting. i love this progect, my only problem is, how are you gona deal with the paint scraching of the multitude of joints onece it finished?

Probably the same way I handle that with all my other models... never paint them. I will do some testing to see what I can or can't do. If I can't resolve it then I will have to glue it in a final pose before painting. Fortunately, all the the pistons can be broken down into separate parts and painted and dried separately. I think it could be painted and lubricated (teflon spray perhaps) such that the paint won't scratch off. It is also possible that the internal portion of the pistons could be changed to a metal/or metallic looking plastic tube.


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P4NC4K3 The autocannon or lascannon would definitely be more effective but I don't like the dual barrel as much a quad, like a WW2 Battleship

Simply the best scratchbuild titan I have ever seen. I mean it moves! pure awesome

As for those turrets, I think some of the new Planetside (or whatever its called) kits seem to have this dual twin linked autocannon (four autocannons) which would probably fit on that platform!

yeah and there only 12pounds quad barrels ftw

Malika2 wrote:As for those turrets, I think some of the new Planetside (or whatever its called) kits seem to have this dual twin linked autocannon (four autocannons) which would probably fit on that platform!

I haven't seen a good picture of the weapons platforms yet but I will definitely hold off on that part until those platforms come out.

Well I have been taking a little break from this before I move into phase 2... detailing. I am also trying to get some supplies together.

Tonight I put together an order for LED lights and I did a little test for a console screen.



So I ordered about 2 dozen LEDs to light this up. I think it should be pretty straight forward but I haven't ever wired anything up so anything is possible. The LEDs are pre wired with inline resistors for use with a 9V battery. I still need to get some electrical switches.

The general plan is to do some indirect lighting in most of the compartments with lit consoles in the head (whenever I figure that out) and bridge. I got a little something special for the reactor and the weapon deck. THe last big part will be to light up void shield Generators on a series of piano switches so I can keep up with how many are active.

I am also probably going to get some resin casting supplies so that I can add that to my repertoire. I would love to get a vacuum pump but it looks like it would take about $1k to get a decent system. I am thinking about rigging up my vacuum or perhaps an aspirator. Anyone out there have any advice regarding how good of a vacuum is necessary to decent casting? If I do that I can make some sample consoles and the void shield generators and then stick them all over the model.

I have never seen anyone do a display that way, awesome!

It's just awesomeness.

I can hardly wait to see it done!!!

The LEDs came in, I haven't played with them yet but they look pretty cool. They are prewired/resistored for 9V battery so I am hoping it will be pretty straight forward once I figure out where the wires have to run. It may be a trick to connectorize some of the removable pieces.

So I am starting to layout the bridge:


So that is labeled with the major stations. Tonight I cut out the front door. I have some old Rhino doors that I will dress up a bit, hinge and use. This would allow personnel to move to the top of the titan to what I am going to call the observation deck and to man the AA gun, whenever I figure out what I am going to do with that.

I am going to have a targetting periscope, and some sad sap dancing with the one eyed lady.

There will be a small platform for the commander and a couple of advisors to hang out on. To their left will be a full sized status board showing the titan and on the right will be a comms and navigation station.

Here is an isometric view:


There are two ladders one on either side that go down to the transport spaces.

Above the bridge will be a magnetized weapon mount. This will be for the second carapace weapon so I have the option to play it as a warlord Titan.

The amount of planning and even visualizing those plans is ... well off the hook. This project is pretty awesome so far and I think everybody here is looking forward to more progress!!

...some sad sap dancing with the one eyed lady...

You lost me there.

jabbakahut wrote:

...some sad sap dancing with the one eyed lady...

You lost me there.

Submariner slang for "looking out the periscope"

And here, within the reaver's head, you can see the all-in-one kitchen and Jacuzzi
This thing is completely brilliant.

(Fill in praise here)



Good job that's looking better than a forge world titan.
All hail the God Machine.

Goliath wrote:And here, within the reaver's head, you can see the all-in-one kitchen and Jacuzzi
This thing is completely brilliant.

Funny you should mention that. My updates have slowed down because I have been working on installing a kitchen sink... in my house, not in the reaver. Jacuzzi in the head... now there is an idea.

I could totally pimp this thing out. Disco ball, strobe lights, Champagne room... oh yeah. Must resist temptation of slanesh...

I could totally pimp this thing out. Disco ball, strobe lights, Champagne room... oh yeah. Must resist temptation of slanesh...

LOL - you call it a Reaver, but I think that you know very well it is simply a "lowered" Warlord!

ptlangley wrote:

Goliath wrote:And here, within the reaver's head, you can see the all-in-one kitchen and Jacuzzi
This thing is completely brilliant.

Funny you should mention that. My updates have slowed down because I have been working on installing a kitchen sink... in my house, not in the reaver. Jacuzzi in the head... now there is an idea.

I could totally pimp this thing out. Disco ball, strobe lights, Champagne room... oh yeah. Must resist temptation of slanesh...

Don't forget the flame themed paint job, excessive chrome trim, 16,000 watt stereo system, and latte machine by the gunner's station.

I know a person that had a music playing baneblade... just imagine...





THE i-TITAN

Wow! We've been playing games and here I didn't realize you were a modelling Genius!!!

Is this thing in your garage? We definitely need to have a game day there in the near future so you can show this baby off

Well I was thinking it was going to be a productive week but I have been wrapped up in relatively mundane household projects and detailing is a little more intensive than I expected. Anyway here is the latest progress.

I have been working on the greaves:


So getting the basic form of the greaves was easy, but they are going to need a lot more work. I had to make them flexible until I figure out exactly how they will be attached (blue tack for now). Anyway once I resolve the attachment issue I will really need to stiffen them up. I will probably use a combination of green stuff filler and reinforcing spars on the back side. Also I am thinking about embellishments to dress them up a bit... skulls and swords I am sure. Obviously I will need some Knee pads and to bulk up the hip area a bit.

And on the other side I am working on interior detail:

Well I got a periscope, and the beginnings of a console, working doors to the outer observation deck and command platform. Nothing is fixed yet . I think I will add a damage status screen to the port side and maybe the comms console to the starboard side as well as a couple of wall consoles. Anyway that should pretty much fill this up. I am hoping I can get it together and get the roof on soon. What I have realized is that with 4+ more spaces to detail this could take a while. Anyway if anyone has comments/ideas I am interested.

Periscope for the win of wins!

Damn this is a nice model you're building here, it is so cool that the joints work !!!
I'm being very inspired by your fantastic work.

Have you considered maybe somekind of waist-skirt to beef up the hips? If you could work them in such that they do not impede any other part of the model, they would both serve the aesthetic purpose of "beefing up" the hip area, and would serve the functional purpose of protecting the vulnerable hip and waist joints.

I'm envisioning something similar to the knee pads you want to make over the outside of the hips, coupled with the 40-K ubiquitous cod piece.

Saldiven wrote:Have you considered maybe somekind of waist-skirt to beef up the hips? If you could work them in such that they do not impede any other part of the model, they would both serve the aesthetic purpose of "beefing up" the hip area, and would serve the functional purpose of protecting the vulnerable hip and waist joints.

I'm envisioning something similar to the knee pads you want to make over the outside of the hips, coupled with the 40-K ubiquitous cod piece.

Yeah, there will be knee armor of some sort and I have some pieces to "beef" up the waist but I haven't quite determined the best way to fit it all together. I don't want it to look like it is just thrown on there. I will probably fill in the gap between the Reactor and the hips. Then I will put some separate shields around the hip joints. I will see if I can sketch up some concepts.

OMG THAT IS SWEETEER THAN SWEET< SIRRRR!!!! I REMOVE MY HAT 4 YOU

I love reading modeling blogs like this, they're so intensive in nature I always feel like I actually accomplished something after I catch up to what the current progress is. Amazing work.

same

Your mastery of plasticard is quite impressive, and the fact that you're doing the interior is just plain nuts. Can't wait to see how this one plays out.

Glad you guys like it, I have thoroughly enjoyed working on it so far. I am a little concerned I will not be able to keep the momentum going... so far so good.

I am seriously impressed by your dedication. You have some skills with sketch-up too, great program eh? I use it for landscape design, and I plan to make some schematics for a 3-4 ft. Wraithlord using it in the future.

So your using styrene yeah, I have been looking into styrene because I have little or no experience with it. it seems quite hard to find at good prices. I was thinking of using PVC for my frame as well as for the basic armor. I have a lot of experience with PVC so I may stick with that plan.

For your general details you might want to consider using low-gauge aviary wire coated with industrial strength hot-glue adhesive. For a large project I was considering getting one of the big glue-guns that you see in some warehouses. The wire mesh along with the hot-glue makes an extremely tough yet responsive "skin". If I wanted I could probably make some bouncy balls . Do not apply the hot-glue directly to the styrene (or to the balls ) as it would obviously melt your masterpiece into a pile of gunk.

I think I understand the general idea of the ankles from the beginning of the blog, but I am sure I don't fully "grasp" the concept. Some WIP pics on that would have been very useful. I will have to take some time to read through the entire thread to see if I missed anything. The little "hydraulic" pistons are built with rubber washers as a piston "head"? Like a cork gun?

wow...thats amazing. hope you don't mind but i've put a link to this thread on my social sites...everyone has to see the pure skill.

WOW!!, just wow.

If you were still wanting to use quad AA guns, you could always use the quad autocannon from the soon to be released aigis defence line for planetstrike.

Orlanth wrote:You would be very lucky to source those bits.

Yeah I would never find the bits but I did finally find better pics

http://www.galactic-intrigue.com/epicollector/Pages/2-Catalog/Catalog-Overview-Frames.html

So the dragon and eagle heads are more lame than I had imagined, close combat head 1 (minus the weapon) and the custodian seem not too bad. Anyway, anyone looking for inspiration for scratchbuilds should check this page out. Lots of good images of old titan (epic) models.

I love looking at these scratch-built models. Real inspiring. Keep up the great work!

Hi

See this thread for some more Titan heads - I uploaded from an old White Dwarf:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/225578.page

I can't decide which is the best, maybe the custodian head

Keep going... I want to play against this in person when it is done

I love the "shins", and especially the interior detailing!

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Minus the antennas, more tubes and piping going into body

...that would look awesome.

I've got to look around more.

This project is certainly impressive especially since the design seems to be completely original. I especially like how you managed to make the legs movable.

Looking forward to seeing the progress.

Blackadder

Octamus Prime head would look pretty good on a titian, but what ever you do I'm sure it'll look good.

I have had a week or so to think about the head. Right now I am leaning toward a Lion head based on this:


I don't like the super chainfist hanging out of it but I do like the open maw.

Here are some other images that looked kind of cool:


So I threw something in sketchup:


Side view:


The scale is off, it needs to be about 50% larger but the idea seems sound. The thought is that the 2-3 moderatii sit up behind the eyes and the princeps sits or stands in the mouth which will be a chamber walled off with gothic windows (Cities of Death?). The Princeps will have a commanding view(>180 degrees)

The whole thing will be pretty mechani-gothic (big surprise) but I am not sure how to do the mane. One thought is to make it a huge thermal dissipator with multiple fins or vanes encircling the head. or I could also do something more organic with greenstuff. Not sure yet.


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The_Blackadder wrote:I've got to look around more.

This project is certainly impressive especially since the design seems to be completely original. I especially like how you managed to make the legs movable.

Looking forward to seeing the progress.

Blackadder

I have been watching your warhound titan build, it is very impressive. I am amazed by the level of detail you have been able to obtain. Theoretically, I would like to do something similar here but realistically I imagine that would take a few years to accomplish. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.


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tallmantim wrote:Hi

See this thread for some more Titan heads - I uploaded from an old White Dwarf:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/225578.page

Thanks for that, these have given me some good ideas. Right now I am looking to combine aspects of the weapon head and custodian head. I love the classic art.

That is really cool. I want that mask He is so scary he is actually just yawning

Here is my version of the classic gorgon, stamped and sealed. Something of interest possibly.

Damn, this is turning into one of the coolest titan builds IVe seen yet. I dont think Ive ever seen on with so much movement before.

same.

ptlangley wrote:Well I was thinking it was going to be a productive week but I have been wrapped up in relatively mundane household projects and detailing is a little more intensive than I expected. Anyway here is the latest progress.

I have been working on the greaves:


So getting the basic form of the greaves was easy, but they are going to need a lot more work. I had to make them flexible until I figure out exactly how they will be attached (blue tack for now). Anyway once I resolve the attachment issue I will really need to stiffen them up. I will probably use a combination of green stuff filler and reinforcing spars on the back side. Also I am thinking about embellishments to dress them up a bit... skulls and swords I am sure. Obviously I will need some Knee pads and to bulk up the hip area a bit.

And on the other side I am working on interior detail:

Well I got a periscope, and the beginnings of a console, working doors to the outer observation deck and command platform. Nothing is fixed yet . I think I will add a damage status screen to the port side and maybe the comms console to the starboard side as well as a couple of wall consoles. Anyway that should pretty much fill this up. I am hoping I can get it together and get the roof on soon. What I have realized is that with 4+ more spaces to detail this could take a while. Anyway if anyone has comments/ideas I am interested.

hey i am new to this website n i just thought i let you know an idea in the "command deck" from the roof you could have like a futuristic screen so the commander can see whats going on outside from inside and also for the head you could go with the palladin knight style helm that would look amazing on it. but it is your choice n aswome work so far

you should really put a disco ball and play music lol
hmmmm .... raver lol
anyway the interior is great lol good work

Looks really good so far keep up the good work!

uriel ventures wrote:
hey i am new to this website n i just thought i let you know an idea in the "command deck" from the roof you could have like a futuristic screen so the commander can see whats going on outside from inside and also for the head you could go with the palladin knight style helm that would look amazing on it. but it is your choice n aswome work so far

Yeah I have a wide screen that will go up over the left hand side console. I am just trying to figure out how I am going to light everything. There is also a large standing display that will go to the left of the raised platform as a titan status screen. I still have to make a comms console to go to the right of the platform.

Looks awesome love the DAS BOOT periscope so so cool

this is amazing i would so buy it of of you ( i mean it)

also the command center is amazing can wait for the next post


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just a quick note but every time i look at it the point where the gun arms will join just seems a bit far from the main body


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ive just noticed the way you have made the legs you could have him sitting on a mini mountian and taking aim with his gun

uriel ventures wrote:
just a quick note but every time i look at it the point where the gun arms will join just seems a bit far from the main body

Yeah I think I can see what you mean. There will be some bulking of the mid section which should mitigate that a bit. That dimension was determined by the distance necessary to get the doors to open and mate with the platforms so it can't really be modified in this build without major rework.

Its independance day for you, make more titan!!

Love it.

That's all I can say.

Well actually that's a complete lie. I could say so much that it would fill an entire page about how awesome it is.

I think the words 'stupenderific awesomeness' sums it up pretty well.

Keep it up!!!

Well between summer vacations and some technical challenges I kind of stalled out on this. I am starting to gather bits again and I ordered some connectors and switches over the weekend to do the LEDs. I am still working on a reasonable circuit diagram to make sure I can fit it all in. Anyway, hopefully I will have some updates this week. I still have a lot of internal and external detailing to do. Here's to the second wind.

Awesome details on the interior!

OK, finally moving on this again. It isn't like I haven't been doing anything but nothing that is apparent. Mainly collecting supplies and thinking about the design.

One big thing is that I got a few Planetstrike sets. So I am liking the quad autocannons as my AA guns.



So here I am playing around with the autocannons on the shoulders. I have also finished the basic structure of the greaves and a little CoD, the bridge roof and a Damocles radar dish.

Closer pics:



I had to come up with a way to remove the greaves for painting later so here is a closeup of the "simple" system I came up with. I say "simple" because the idea is simple but actually getting all of that to line up is a headache.


I have almost all my electronic parts for LED lighting. I will try to post some more info on that later.
I have to start working on crew for this. (anyone have some sitting titan crew they don't need? I will probably get the titan crew on foot but if anyone has some other suggestions I would like to hear ideas.

bad arse looking!!

U gonna use one base? or have 1 per foot?

ptlangley wrote: I have to start working on crew for this. (anyone have some sitting titan crew they don't need? I will probably get the titan crew on foot but if anyone has some other suggestions I would like to hear ideas.

Nothing on ebay.

As an idea, (I don't know if these are already attached) but the shields that you are using for the Quad-Autocannons - is it possible to replace them with the Skyshield sides? Or are they already attached?

Just my humble opinion of your Gigantic and amazing construct.

Disjointed.

person person wrote:Nothing on ebay.

I am guessing if someone purchases a titan they aren't likely to glue the head shut and get rid of the crew.

I've been looking forward to an update on your outstanding work sir, nice job.

The superb work on the legs made me go back to the drawing board for my "Warlord's" project.

Keep it up...

Disjointed Entity wrote:As an idea, (I don't know if these are already attached) but the shields that you are using for the Quad-Autocannons - is it possible to replace them with the Skyshield sides? Or are they already attached?

The shields are actually hinged so that they can be opened or shut. I will build up the detail on them later. They need to be a particular size and shape so they can mate with the transport doors. The top of the shoulders are designed to be assault platforms. I will more than likely end up mounting a single quad autocannon to the top of the main body and leaving the shoulders open for troops. If you look at some of the earlier posts there are a couple good images of it.

HI . I was looking over your reaver warlord . fantastic!. for the interior (which is looking very good ) can i suggest you have a look at the copplestone castings webpage . They do a range of computer consoles and equipment . the sort of thing you would find in any self respecting mad scientist/ proffesor wouldent be seen without . 28mm scale so would fit in with the figures .Worth a look I thought . regards RMMC

INSANE!!!

Just to mention though, next time you post, could you put like a space marine or something with it so we can get an idea of the scale?

Amazing work! The ingenuity is truely awe inspiring. I can't wait to see more.

ptlangley wrote:

Disjointed Entity wrote:As an idea, (I don't know if these are already attached) but the shields that you are using for the Quad-Autocannons - is it possible to replace them with the Skyshield sides? Or are they already attached?

The shields are actually hinged so that they can be opened or shut. I will build up the detail on them later. They need to be a particular size and shape so they can mate with the transport doors. The top of the shoulders are designed to be assault platforms. I will more than likely end up mounting a single quad autocannon to the top of the main body and leaving the shoulders open for troops. If you look at some of the earlier posts there are a couple good images of it.

I see what you mean, I was meerly suggesting that you use the Skyshield .. 'shields' as the shields of your assault platforms, just to add more detail. Of course you may do as you wish with your magnificent beast, but this is just my two cents.

this is blatantly the best scratch built titan ever. I have only one request. If you eventually decide to glue the finished model into a fixed position, it should be in some dynamic pose. Too many homebrew titans are just standing there, I wouldnt want such an amazing build to have a less than amazing pose.

Well I finally got all of the supplies together I need to light this thing up.



20-30 LEDs(prewired with resistors)
wire
8 position DIP switch (secure/energize void shields)
multiple connectors
shrink tube

I haven't done much electronics work before so this will be an interesting learning experience.

I think I am almost done with the interior of the bridge. I would like to go ahead and get it base coated and start working on the lighting and screens. There will be a large flat screen in the overhead above the forward console and a large status screen that will be lit with LEDs. Additionally I will mount two void shield generators to the exterior that will have LEDs.



So the consoles are from Land Raider and Rhino interior consoles and the chair is from the damocles kit.

This is gonna be insane...

The level of detail on this project is amazing, and that was before the LEDs came into play. Can't wait to see how this progresses, keep up the great work.

This will be absolute beauty

Dude.....jaw dropping awesome.

Nothing to say besides naked adoration, but I had to post something just to subscribe to this thread.

Incredible.

That is flippin brilliant!

It is inspiring on my own Warlord titan. thanks. Brilliant work.

OK, moving slowly but surely.

Finished detailing the bridge. I kept thinking of things to do and eventually I ran out of space.

Here is the exterior:


Here is the roof detail

Still have a bunch of weapons to build but you can see the mount is in place.

Here is the rear showing the Primary radiators and the loading cranes (both pivot and the blocks move in and out)


So eventually I have to cover the entire model at this level of exterior detail...





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On to the Interior of the Bridge:

Remove the lid



Periscope and the full size status display


couple of extra consoles


The overhead display

So very awesome.

I could not figure out how I was going to do the head but I decided it was time to bite the bullet and start choppin plastic. This is just the beginning of the basic structure but I think it will come together nicely with some more work. I had originally planned to make the interior of the head fully detailed interior and exterior but to be honest forge world has this one pretty well covered and I would rather spend effort on the exterior and not worry about the interior.

On to the pics:

Top Section - There would be 2 Moderati(I think that is what they are called) in here


Side view of top - the big openings will be closed in, but I would like to leave windows so the moderati can look down to see what they are stepping on.


Here is the mouth. There will be a Princeps in the recliner all plugged in. I will add some teeth but it will basically be open (but well shielded).


Put the parts together


Another view


Head seems a little large but I think I can make it all fit together. Many areas will be bulked up.


Starting to look a little top heavy.

Well that is the latest and greatest. Let me know what you think.

I cannot wait for the guns.

The thighs are probably gonna start to look a bit thin once you add the guns.

Still amazing.

This is amazing, bust it out on your friends baneblades or something in an apoc game when its finished :]

Amazing! This thing will crush all enemies! Mad modelling skills sir!

This thread is pure awesome.

WOW!

This thing is incredible! Does your day job require skills that somehow translate into doing this sort of thing? I am just wondering if you are somesort of mechanical engineer or architectural modeler or something that predisposes you to being able to pull off this sort of project. I just don't think I could manage it. Also, how many hours would you say have gone into this project so far? and how many will it take to complete?

Gil - I am a materials engineer but unfortunately I don't get to do anything like this on a day to day basis at work. I get to do some other cool stuff but not a lot of hands on stuff.

I have no idea how many hours have gone into it so far. We have a few kids in the house so I usually get a couple hours a few nights a week to do anything on it. Probably 5-8 hours a week most weeks off and on since the beginning of the year. I have slowed down quite a bit over the summer. I wouldn't be surprised if it is 100-200 hours, which is fine since I am not playing regularly these days.

Wow! Thats a lot of time, but well worth it! Keep up the good work!

Great... another pair of pantaloons ruined.

RUINED!

I think the feeling of top-heaviness can be mitigated by a couple of items. Firstly, try to not have the model standing with "locked knees" so often. If the model is posed with flexed knees more often, it will give the appearance of both action and a predatory feralness appropriate to a lion-headed behemoth like this. Also, as you complete the armor skirts for the hip/waist joint area, that will lend a heavier aspect to the lower body to balance out the upper body. That being said, if you remember the original Adeptus Mechanicus titans from the 1980's, they were all quite top heavy.

Now, I'm more concerned about the front heaviness. Do you have plans for some sort of carapace or other extensions on the back? Already, with just the addition of the head, the model has a very forward lean to it. When you add the arm weapons, that forward posture on the model will be even more exaggerated. I think it might be a good idea to consider ways to balance that out by additions on the rear half of the model.

I don't think it will be too hard to bulk up the mid section. I have been planning to do it but I have just been waiting till I start detailing that area.

Saldiven wrote:Now, I'm more concerned about the front heaviness. Do you have plans for some sort of carapace or other extensions on the back? Already, with just the addition of the head, the model has a very forward lean to it. When you add the arm weapons, that forward posture on the model will be even more exaggerated. I think it might be a good idea to consider ways to balance that out by additions on the rear half of the model.

Yeah I noticed that in the last photo. It wouldn't be impossible to do, but it will be hard to do without exaggerating the top heavy issue. I think the most straight forward solution would be to mount the legs farther forward but that would require some major rework... of course easier to do now before I get too much further.

AMAZING !
you get me sick with such a beauty !
cant wait to see it finished , hurry .....
ok , ok one blue pill and two pink , i ll be quiet promise , ill be quiet

To help the balance, couldnt you use small metal inserts to counteract some of the weight

Twoshoesvans wrote:To help the balance, couldnt you use small metal inserts to counteract some of the weight

It doesn't necessarily have a real balance problem, depending on how radical I decide to get with the pose. But visually it looks a bit unbalanced because of the amount of stuff on the front half (head, launcher,weapons, etc.).

It doesn't help that the last pic was taken at an angle

Yeah, it looks like a really bad lean. I am going to see if I can get some LEDs in it tonight if it works I will see if I can get a better pic.

ptlangley wrote:I don't think it will be too hard to bulk up the mid section. I have been planning to do it but I have just been waiting till I start detailing that area.

Saldiven wrote:Now, I'm more concerned about the front heaviness. Do you have plans for some sort of carapace or other extensions on the back? Already, with just the addition of the head, the model has a very forward lean to it. When you add the arm weapons, that forward posture on the model will be even more exaggerated. I think it might be a good idea to consider ways to balance that out by additions on the rear half of the model.

Yeah I noticed that in the last photo. It wouldn't be impossible to do, but it will be hard to do without exaggerating the top heavy issue. I think the most straight forward solution would be to mount the legs farther forward but that would require some major rework... of course easier to do now before I get too much further.

Hrm...well, remounting the legs might not be the only solution. I think that posing the model will help. I think the forward heaviness is exaggerated by the fact that the model's legs are locked at the knees almost like it's standing at attention. I think a more dynamic pose with the legs flexed could help a bit.

Remember, though, the top heavy impression has always been there with the titans. If you can remember the original titan models from Adeptus Titanicus, the carapace was much more massive than the legs. When you get the waist skirting added, I think that'll help a lot.

The level of detail on the bridge is mind-boggling, and the head is shaping up nicely. Any plans to add armor/cowling around the head (to finalize the lion mane motif?)

Can't wait to see how this progresses, although if my current experience with my Banelord project is any indication, painting that thing will be a real test. Are you planning on airbrushing it?

If you ever find yourself in the Los Angeles area, an Apocalypse match between our two titans would be interesting.

Yeah I have some thoughts on the Mane, basically a ton of convoluted tubing and conduit. I have some small diameter stuff (3/8" and 1/2") I am looking for a source for 1/4". I am also probably going to shorten the neck to balance the overall look out a bit.

Anyone know where to get small outer diameter plastic tube?

I have looked over most of this thread and skimmed some of the writing and I have to say that this titan... this massive Imperial Monstrosity that you have created... it the most amazing scratch built thing I have seen since the Leviathan. I am just lost with all the work you have put into this that I cannot conceive a cohesive sentence that would even describe what I am feeling.

Are those legs set, or can you pose them a bit more dynamically?

No they are not set, since they still move it is much more stable for photos standing straight up rather than stepping forward.

Awsome work! Keep it up!

Don't stop mr langley, I'm considering buying a bench saw beacuse you recommend it.

Show your progress!!

How on earth did I miss this thread?

Superb model so far mate. The bridge looks fantastic and if you are planning on detailing the rest to that level then you are in for one truly amazing model when finished.

I like the head so far, dont think its too big to be honest.

Awesome skills! *subscribe*

Beautiful, though Im not quite a fan of the lion head.

Have you made any progress since the last update?

No progress in quite a few months, I am getting ready to turn it back on now that the holidays are over and I have built some of my planetstrike stuff.

Do you have any of the plastic cathedral window inserts? I have some laying around somewhere, stained glass printed on acetate inserts for armorcast cathedral windows ^_^ Tough finding it on the internet, I know I got mine off a rack at a really old hobby shop that closed here.

In my excitement I kinda skipped from the 1st page to the 6th or 7th, so forgive me if that has already been mentioned/done, but would it be possible for you to post an in-depth tutorial on how you did the joints/pistons for this thing? Its ingenious, and easily worth as much as the aesthetic design of the titan (which is looking awesome btw)!

Qualude wrote:Do you have any of the plastic cathedral window inserts? I have some laying around somewhere, stained glass printed on acetate inserts for armorcast cathedral windows ^_^ Tough finding it on the internet, I know I got mine off a rack at a really old hobby shop that closed here.

You can just print that out at home, I've done it several time. Always keep some of that plastic paper you can print on around.

Do you got any progress since last update?

Im subscribed...reviewing with much interest and hoping to see the completion soon.

Last post was 2 Months ago.

And the last post before that was six months ago...

other 6 month passed and no news......sigh! hope this project come back soon!

I'm so glad you resurrected this thread to post that.
Thank you!

Eric

Adding to the list of things that make me drool!!

Well, this is lookin' pretty dead. A shame, too. It was a fantastic project.

What the hell? This could not be abbandoned... i demand its return!!!!! And i dont care it the last post was in 2009!!!!!

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:What the hell? This could not be abbandoned... i demand its return!!!!! And i dont care it the last post was in 2009!!!!!

Don't do this.