Yes i'm going to say it Ultra Marines, they saved the galaxy and owned some tyranids. They're primarch( i think) also redid the way chapters were made. But honestly Imperial Guard are better then everyone!
I have been playing Crimson Fists for years and have grown to be very fond of their background.
I have also been playing Emperor's Children for over 8 years, although not active for half of that, and the Heresy books make them even more interesting.
But that said, my personal army choices aside, for Chaos, in light of the Heresy Books, I find the Word Bearers to have been the most influential.
As for loyalists, I really cannot stand Ultrasmurfs. (Crimson Fists where on the cover of Rouge Trader and the 3rd ed codex, Ultramarines on the 2nd, 4th, and 5th ed Codex. They at one point had the most marines, the Crimson Fists were nearly wiped out. It is kind of like a Red Sox-Yankees thing to me, and I will take my Crimson Fists and Red Sox any day.)
The Imperial Fists are the greatest, they where chosen to defend Terra, enough said.
Simply because of the photo in the old Rogue Trader rulebook of them in front of the old school Land Raider started me playing this crazy game on and off for damn near twenty years. It was very similar in look to this photo (Not mine and I don't feel like scanning it).
That and they graced the cover. My Chapter has always been Crimson Fists (although I play Orks now).
The fluff says. Every Ultramarine Codex or Marine Codex has started with "The Ultramarines are the greatest Chapter of Space Marines" or words to that effect.
ULTRAMARINES BCUZ ONE SINGLE ULTRAMARINESCOUT HAS MORE AWESOME IN HIM THAN 10 TERMINATORS OF ANY OTHER CHAPTERS AND A SINGLE TACTICAL MARINE ULTRAMARINE CAN KILL ALL THE PRIMARCHS AT ONCE AND THE ULTRAMARINES DEFEATED ALL THE IMPERIUM'S ENEMIES AND KAOS AND THEY SAVED CADIA AND THEY ARE HALF ELDAR AND HALF AWESOME AND HALF HUMAN AND HALF ULTRAMARIIIIIIIIINEE
AND MARNEUS CALGAR IS THE LOST PRIMARCH. AND THEIR LIBRARIAN IS A BETTER PSYKER THAN THE EMPERARAH
"The Ultramarines are the greatest of all Space Marine Chapters. From the dawn of the Imperium they have served the Emperor with loyalty and a ferocity that no others can match. Their Primarch, Roboute Guilliman, wrote the Codex Astartes, and the Chapter has exemplified its teachings ever since. The Ultramarines were instrumental in the defeat of Hive Fleet Behemoth, saving the Imperium from almost certain destruction by the Tyranids. They are the warriors of Macragge in the realm of Ultramar, and in faith and in valour they are unmatched."
Space Wolves. Beer, werewolves, vikings, and the freedom to give the administratum, the ministorium and Robute Gutlessman the finger over and over again.
Durandal wrote:Space Wolves. Beer, werewolves, vikings, and the freedom to give the administratum, the ministorium and Robute Gutlessman the finger over and over again.
Mine, they've been around for almost 10,000 years, none have gone over to chaos, they've killed like a trillion billion enemies each and they don't let girls in cause girls don't have penises even though marines don't need that bit anyway.
They're also the Emperor's favourite chapter.
cadbren wrote:Mine, they've been around for almost 10,000 years, none have gone over to chaos, they've killed like a trillion billion enemies each and they don't let girls in cause girls don't have penises even though marines don't need that bit anyway.
They're also the Emperor's favourite chapter.
cadbren wrote:Mine, they've been around for almost 10,000 years, none have gone over to chaos, they've killed like a trillion billion enemies each and they don't let girls in cause girls don't have penises even though marines don't need that bit anyway.
They're also the Emperor's favourite chapter.
Space Wolves?
Huh? The ones that named their leader after a tank! Didn't they all die or something? No mine are called Das Imperium, they're a UM successor chapter, so not wolves and their chapter symbol is the wolfsangel rune which is actually designed to ward off wolves (heh, only just found out that last bit, quite ironic me thinks).
Bowling his opponents clear with one mighty sweep of his armoured gauntlets, Calgar moved to chalenge the Avatar himself. Many Eldar stood between the Master of the Ultramarines and his target, but Calgar would not be stayed - those his gauntlets did not crush were smashed asside by the sheer bulk of his Terminator armour.
So it was that Calgar fell upon the Avatar before the other was aware of his presence, and smote the creature a dolorous and terrible blow. Bellowing with fury, the Avatar turned to face its new attacker. Its first strike missed the Chapter Master by a hair's breadth. The second tore a great wound from Calgar's armour. A third drove deep into his shoulder, cleaving the pauldron and driving the Chapter Master to one knee. But the fourth, intended as the coup de grace to sever Calgar's head from his shoulders, slammed into the armoured palm of Calgar's left hand.
The armoured glove charred and warped as Calgar closed his grasp around the blade. No other gauntlet could have withstood that mighty blow nor the furious heat behind. But the fabled Gauntlets of Ultimar were of older and sterner make, crafted with skill and technology long lost to the race of Man. For a moment, mortal and god strove for control of the incandescent sword, and in that moment the Avatar was defenceless. Rising up, Calgar struck with all his strength, bringing his other gauntlet around in a mighty arc. The Avatar roared in pain and fury as the power fist punched a hole clean through the molten ichor of its torso. With a final bellow, the Avatar exploded in a white-hot flash that showered cinders and moltern metal all around.
His strength spent, Calgar sank to one knee. Ultramarines encircled their wounded Chapter Master to protect him from any Eldar who sought to exploit his weakness, but there was no need. With the fall of their war god, the Eldar lost all heart. Some fled without heed while others fell back in good order, but all retreated into darkness. Silence prevailed where the din of battle had reigned so shortly before. The Battle for the Sepulchre was done.
Page 35 of the codex... This was also just after the Avatar had killed about 10 Terminators with one swing of his sword >_>
Also note the shoulder injurry which would have made it impossible, it would have been much better if they just let Calgar die and went with the equally over-used "HUURRRR! THEYZ KILLZ MAI SPASE MARINEZ FRENZ! ULTRARAAAAAAGGGEEEE! HUUUUURRRRR!"
Basically any chapter besides the Ultramarines is the best >_>
My chapter, Hawk Eyes, is good, but that's because they hate the Ultramarines. Doesn't help that I liked that shade of blue ages before I started playing, so I used that for my chapter which turned out to be called "Ultramarines Blue" when I brought it >_>
As for actual chapters I'll vote for Salamanders, also they should do what the Fire Lords do when they enter battle.
Blood Angels. C'mon, you have a primarch that made the ultimate sacrifice to save the emperor, and a bunch of really pissed off marines that are so bad a$$ they paint their armor black and tear things apart with rending attacks. Their 'dex just sucks because they "updated" it for 5th ed, but it has too many inconsistencies with the regular SM 'dex. (For example, their storm shields suck, no assault ramps for LRs, and they can only take basic squads in multiples of 5.)
the black templar is deffinetly the best group of marines cuz the emporors champ is a killer the sword giving him 6 strength plus his great weapon skill and after 750 he's just an elete
Blood Angels are pretty win. If only their codex had as much win as their fluff. I mean, honestly, the 'Black Rage' and Death Company fluff is just epic. Not to mention their primarch's exploits.
SW just about as cool though. Russ' legion is teeming with badassery.
templeorks wrote:the black templar is deffinetly the best group of marines cuz the emporors champ is a killer the sword giving him 6 strength plus his great weapon skill and after 750 he's just an elete
You can have champions with relic blades (conferring 6 STR) in just about every codex.
jawz23 wrote:Grey Knights - emperor gene seed just like the primachs but a whole chapter of them.
That's just one rumor of how they were created, another is that they were created from the geneseed of 8 marines from Traitor Legions that stayed loyal. That seems more likely to me than being created directly from the Emperor, other wise the Grey Knights would be ridiculously bad ass.
If you want to talk about traitor legions, I would have to say that the Iron Warriors have that spot locked up. I mean, Traitor Titans? You can't really beat that.
Grey Knights cos they have better stats than every other sm and their chapter is 3 times bigger. Also they are all psykers and get better weaponry. Also they can get an inquisiter in an alliance and induct all the other sm and all the ig.
I dont know why peps hate ultramarines i mean if your a fellow Imperial player (Imperial Guard, Daemon Hunters, Space Marines, etc.) there Brothers in arms who cares about color scheme and if there history is more in depth, there still killin filthy xenos and traitorous chaos . The best Chapter IMO? Blood Ravens, not because of the games(even know there cool The way they conduct warfare is almost unbeatable, if I know my enemy better then he knows himself, then Ive already won cause I know his every response to my actions. That what they do study there enemy, then destroy them
Gwar! wrote:Lies!
BLUD RHEVEN SPESS MEHRENS HAVE FHELED THE EMPRA!
lol Chaos propaganda, NOOOOOO! . I dont know how he lost that campaign, but I guess they couldn't have The Blood Ravens win both or everyone would have been super po'ed. Why the Space Marines got to win everything? whine whine whine. answer- cause there bada$$ thats why lol
Emperors Faithful wrote:I personally don't know why they chose Blood Ravens out of all chapters for Dawn of War.
They didn't, they MADE the Blood Ravens for Dawn of War, and Deliberatly made their Primach Unknown, so none of the Iron Hands or Imperial Fist Fanbois got Upset, and let the Legio II and Legio XI Fanbois jerk themselves over it.
Gwar, is right they made em for Dawn of War, And yeah Boreal did have bad voice acting, sounded like they were trying to make him sound like a high class butler or somthing. I like how there Primarch is unknown and there stratagem and there heroes like Davian Thule, and Gabriel Angelos. Why Blood Ravens you ask? well when you want to get it done without charging in not knowing anything about your opponents stratagem, send in the Blood Ravens
The Blood Ravens probably have one of the traitor or missing primarchs as their primarch. Why else can they not find out who their primarch is as surely it is a simple thing to trace the origin of their gene seed to one of the loyal Primarchs. For this not to be possible would suggest one of the others for whom no records are acknowledged.
cadbren wrote:The Blood Ravens probably have one of the traitor or missing primarchs as their primarch. Why else can they not find out who their primarch is as surely it is a simple thing to trace the origin of their gene seed to one of the loyal Primarchs. For this not to be possible would suggest one of the others for whom no records are acknowledged.
Well, perhaps it is not that simple. Perhaps the geneseed is so far mutated it doesn't match any of them.
Mutated genes can still be traced back to their source, modern science does it all the time when trying to figure out flu vaccines and the like. Reading the fluff, which while at odds with itself at times, seems to suggest that gene science is still far in advance of anything we have today.
If geneseed can mutate to the point of its origins being unrecognisable, I'd have thought it would be classified as corrupt as it no longer follows the basic structure created by the Emperor. The Blood Ravens don't seem to have any particular oddities about them in any case.
Yes, but it is ritualised to a point where it can still be used. It may not be AS efficient but it still works. With all that caring love poured into the machine it has just GOTTA work.
Not sure about tracing the gen-seed. The major flaw is that the unkown primarchs are UNKOWN. They can't exactly compare the gene-seed then can they?
Emperors Faithful wrote:Yes, but it is ritualised to a point where it can still be used. It may not be AS efficient but it still works. With all that caring love poured into the machine it has just GOTTA work.
Not sure about tracing the gen-seed. The major flaw is that the unkown primarchs are UNKOWN. They can't exactly compare the gene-seed then can they?
Of course they can't trace something back to an origin if the origin doesn't exist. What they can do (should be able to) is rule out who they aren't from. I remain unconvinced of the rather trite "stuff got lost in the war" approach that is too common in the fluff. I much prefer the "we know but can't be arsed telling you" concept.
I agree, its 40k, im sure its more complicated then just tracing there DNA back to the Primarch. Besides Gwar also makes a good point that there geneseed could have mutated so much that they cant trace there DNA back, they do have many more psychers then any other Chapter. On another note it did make reference in DOW Dark Crusade that they were closely tied to a Traitor Legion perhaps. And Davian Thule did discover a dark secret on Kronus and was so shocked by it that he changed afterward as was stated in DOW II.
Lol or that he is really a woman in disguise, that seems to get everyone depressed when they find out a great man is a woman..... not saying that woman aren't great tho just a joke
The Blood Ravens were made to be mysterious so that they could be seen as the "saviours" of the Imperium, finding all the unused STCs that had been left after the HH.
has anyone brought up the point that technicaly blood ravens are decandants of, SHOCK HORROR!!!! Blood angels, and then technicaly wouldnt have there own arch, but share out lovely winged sandal toting fassion officionado!
i feel that could have been more more fluid and easyer to read, but hey!
look at there insignia..... and look in the codex.... well i dont have my codex to hand, but i remember there being a BLOOD raven bit in the BLOOD angel "codex" if you would call a PDF that.
i remember it being in a side colimn or something, but my memory isnt allways reliable, there are also a few small links to the angels, this doesnt allways follow, but i would asume in this case it does, there armour? red(both despite one being "gore" and the other being"blood", the blood ravens insignia as such has a blood drop in the middle of it doesnt it, a bit like a few other sucsessor chapters of the angels, and well apart from the name arnt the ravens also a rush and bomb type of army(i know you can change it, but they have good close cobat units in comparison)
Emperors Faithful wrote:i see your argument, but surely there would be hints of "The Black Rage" in the Blood Ravens chapter then?
There would be. There is only ONE chapter who have eliminated the Black rage, and... well we all know what happened to them.
In Short, Blood Ravens do not know who their Primarch is, much like several Chapters. However, a High Probability it is Gulliman, Magnus (lawl), Primarch II or Primarch XI
True, it is most likely the Blood Ravens are part of the 13th Founding, who's records on Terra are Non-Existent.
Also, you just mentioned that chapter I was on about, the Lamenters. They have been Plagued with bad luck since Day one, some say because of the breeding out of the Black Rage.
They "Breed out" the black rage? i suppose they killed all the genes wiv the signs or sumfink?
The Lamenters have the worst luck don't they.
Lamentor: "Yo! Wassup, Huron?"
Huron: "Not much, just a little problem with some Admin freaks"
Lamentor:"What kind of problem?"
Huron: "...Tax problems"
Lamentor: "Oh, need help?"
Huron: "Actually..."
I'm sorry but i gotta say it, BLUE DA BEST!
On a serious note however the exorcists (sp?) red paint job bone details and every single member has been posessed by a deamon and then freed from it making them almost immune to the effects of chaos. Also their banner is a deamon's head it just looks cool.
iamthecougar wrote:I'm sorry but i gotta say it, BLUE DA BEST!
On a serious note however the exorcists (sp?) red paint job bone details and every single member has been posessed by a deamon and then freed from it making them almost immune to the effects of chaos. Also their banner is a deamon's head it just looks cool.
iamthecougar wrote:I'm sorry but i gotta say it, BLUE DA BEST!
On a serious note however the exorcists (sp?) red paint job bone details and every single member has been posessed by a deamon and then freed from it making them almost immune to the effects of chaos. Also their banner is a deamon's head it just looks cool.
but da red wuns go fasta!!
Its why da orks lost to Da Blud Angles on Army-Gedd-onz.
definitely ultramarines as they are the most famous chapter and legion of space marines and there primarch wrote the codex and they have the most split of chapters then any other legion
Space Marine wrote:definitely ultramarines as they are the most famous chapter
Tell that to Sanguinius, who has massive temples in his name right next to The Emperors Temples, or Leman Russ... Ya know, the whole Hammer of the Emperor Leman Russ Tank thing.
and legion of space marines
Why? Because they did sod all in the Heresy while Salamanders, Blood Angels and Space Wolves took heavy Losses.
Pre Heresy Luna Wolves, they are recognized as being the best assault army (not crazy, Mongolian, goth, upset, little brothers, dress wearing or wolf-y)... and that's what space marines are about.
Best chapter is probly the Legion of the Damned. In 2nd edtion they had WS5 BS5 LD10 on All their basic troops, their "chapter master" had WS8 BS8. one of their veteren sergents has a skull that instakills enemies and raises legion of the damned from the dead.
the new codex rules for LOTD leave me disappointed. But they are still pretty pimpsauce.
the second best is the Space Wolves. Because I am a shameless Fanboi. I mean because they are awesome and win at everything.
Naturally this comes purely down to opinion, and as Games Workshop has every faction possess their ups and downs, this is hard, and almost impossible to pin down.
That being said, I like pointless forum speculation!
I'm gonna say Blood Angels, 'cause I play 'em, they're red, and they have one of the only chapter masters that isn't a total jerk (at least he didn't appear as such in the only piece of fiction he's been in (Bloodquest)).
One of the only? What about Rainbow warriors you know
To protect the world from devastation! To unite all peoples within our nation! To denounce the evils of truth and love!To extend our reach to the stars above! Jessie! James! Rainbow Warriors, blast off at the speed of light! Surrender now, or prepare to fight!
CajunMan550 wrote:One of the only? What about Rainbow warriors you know
To protect the world from devastation! To unite all peoples within our nation! To denounce the evils of truth and love!To extend our reach to the stars above! Jessie! James! Rainbow Warriors, blast off at the speed of light! Surrender now, or prepare to fight!
Or something to that effect.
Oh! I was just about to post a smart-ass Rainbow Wariors comment, but I was all like "Well, I'll look at the latest page on this discussion."
I'd have to say that if Blood Angels were taken out of the equation... Rainbow Warriors would get my vote.
CajunMan550 wrote:One of the only? What about Rainbow warriors you know
To protect the world from devastation! To unite all peoples within our nation! To denounce the evils of truth and love!To extend our reach to the stars above! Jessie! James! Rainbow Warriors, blast off at the speed of light! Surrender now, or prepare to fight!
Where is THAT picture?
You know the one I mean.
Caveman: Oh noes! A Space Marine!
Space Marine: I am Fistus Maximus of the Emperors Penetrators. And YOU ARE MINE...
they are very cool, and I really like the paint job with the eyes, but for me it's still the Iron Lords. They don't get enough coverage, but they're just so cool. I mean, the have machines for legs, and their Chaplins are Techmarines! MC
I say that the legion of the dammed are the best, I mean how many chapters of space marines have entered the warp and somewhat in some outlandish way survived (sort of), but I have to admit that the Angry hornet marines are pretty cool, as well as Iron lords, put some springs in those legs no need for jump packs any more (boooiinngg..."whhheeeee")
I don't play them but I reckon the Astral Knights have to be in with a shout of winning this. Of all possible responses to seeing a Necron World Engine, surely 'Ramming Speed!' wins the most kudos?
Emperor's Children, pre-Heresy and post-Heresy. Pre-Heresy they were obviously the shiz-nit, as they demanded perfection in every aspect of their martial tactics. Post-Heresy, they're still the best, seeing as they now use GUITARS to blast people to the Warp. Sounds good to me.
if "best" is in a who would win in a fight kinda way it would go by size and "chapter" kinda rules out chaos, sooo, that would be spess wolfs (full Legion of 10,000) or Grey knights (from 4-6,000 i think but sheer awsomeness and badassery may make up for that) Templars come in at #3 though, but just remember kids, even the ultramarines could beat the tau empire single-handely
but thats only because i used to collect them 
FOR THE EMPEROR!!!!! 
allow space marines, tau is where it is at 
L O D 
! There is no way that a load of blood loving madmen are better than people with metal legs and arms!
