My FLGS announced over the weekend to us 40K players that GW advised there is going to be a Ard Boyz tourney. The FLGS was in contact with their GW rep last week and this was what the GW rep advised.The first round would be in July (2nd weekend IIRC). 2500 point format and painting (still) not a requirement. Anyone else get any info on this?

The official announcement should be in the next white dwarf.

Details pretty much what you have heard: July 11th, 2500 pts, 40k. No need for paint, all models must be WYSIWYG. 3 games using normal 40k rules and normal force org chart. List of stores running it is being compiled. If you want to play, encourage your store to run the event. The manager should contact his rep in the Trade Sales department. The store should have room for 12 players on standard 6'x4' boards.

Fantasy will be later in the year and WoTR will be early next year.

Won't that be a busy month with two big Indy GTs!

Cool!

With no GT's this year where are they going to have the finals?

Baltimore i'd imagine.

G

Khornatedemon wrote:With no GT's this year where are they going to have the finals?

Probably at the Chicago bunker, but that's not set in stone.

what is ard boyz?

So I guess that means they're postponing their Lucky 13 game scheduled for that day?

So I guess that means they're postponing their Lucky 13 game scheduled for that day?

July 11 and 12 for "ardboyz"

July 18 for Lucky 13.

No overlap.

That's good to hear. I look forward to seeing how IG lists with 9 Lemann Russ perform.

Onnotangu wrote:what is ard boyz?

Ard Boyz is a tournament system that starts at your local store, then next round regional then goes to a national final.

Essentially it is a power gamers wet dream.
Models can be unpainted, no sports points, too many points so you only get a small amount of games with too much ability to pack an army with chesse (I'm hanging for a 9 LR demolisher tank IG force)

I'd like to see it done at 1850 to make people think harder about their lists and get more people involved (2500 is a hell of alot of points)

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
I'd like to see it done at 1850 to make people think harder about their lists and get more people involved (2500 is a hell of alot of points)

2500 points = alot of money spent. Hence since this is put on by the GWNA Trade Sales department, their motivation may be a little different than the Community/Events folks. Just a hunch.

I am so pumped about this! I thought I was going to be busy with school during the tournament, but if its over the summer I can play!

olympia wrote:That's good to hear. I look forward to seeing how IG lists with 9 Lemann Russ perform.

Horribly when standing up against CSM lists with Oblitz spam ... DS Meltas ( icons ) + Squadron rule = destroyed on 3+

toxic_wisdom wrote:

olympia wrote:That's good to hear. I look forward to seeing how IG lists with 9 Lemann Russ perform.

Horribly when standing up against CSM lists with Oblitz spam ... DS Meltas ( icons ) + Squadron rule = destroyed on 3+

It could very well be the IG lists vs. the anti-IG lists this year.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:I'd like to see it done at 1850 to make people think harder about their lists and get more people involved (2500 is a hell of alot of points)

Like, say, every other tourney out there?

The high limit (and no-holds-barred rules) are what make 'Ard Boyz unique. It allows those of us who play nicely the rest of the time to be ruthless for a day. The high points-value also encourages powerbuilds that simply won't fit in 1750-1850 tourneys. Sure, it scales some things out. But hard choices are still there in huge lists.

I'm looking forward to this year's event.

toxic_wisdom wrote:

olympia wrote:That's good to hear. I look forward to seeing how IG lists with 9 Lemann Russ perform.

Horribly when standing up against CSM lists with Oblitz spam ... DS Meltas ( icons ) + Squadron rule = destroyed on 3+

Competitive IG should be taking an IQ with Mystics, and at those points he'll almost certainly be in a Valk/Detta. Have fun trying to deepstrike through 3 free demolisher shots on each unit of oblits before they get to shoot at the tanks

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:

Onnotangu wrote:what is ard boyz?

(I'm hanging for a 9 LR demolisher tank IG force)

at 2500 points you can fit a hell of a lot of melta's in a Vulkan list. Please, bring the tanks. Killing a leman russ on a 3+ on a pen for being in a squadron sounds awesome to me.

Our shop is running the first round and requested to host the 2nd round. He advised his GW rep that our last RTT alone had 32 players.

Caffran9 wrote:
Competitive IG should be taking an IQ with Mystics, and at those points he'll almost certainly be in a Valk/Detta. Have fun trying to deepstrike through 3 free demolisher shots on each unit of oblits before they get to shoot at the tanks

And how are you getting 3 shots from that MystInq?

grizgrin wrote:

Caffran9 wrote:
Competitive IG should be taking an IQ with Mystics, and at those points he'll almost certainly be in a Valk/Detta. Have fun trying to deepstrike through 3 free demolisher shots on each unit of oblits before they get to shoot at the tanks

And how are you getting 3 shots from that MystInq?

i think he meant plasma shots? Maybe he meant an executioner or two thrown in?

3 demolisher cannons in a squadren, the inq with mystics nominates a unit in this instance, the 3 demolisher russes, get a free shot on the drop.

There is no reason necessarily to deep strike the oblits if you know your opponent has mystics. Also you could take a unit of inflitrating Chosen with an icon and bring the oblits in outside of the mystics' effective range. An IG army with a lot of treads is not going to be able to deploy all their tanks within the range of the mystics. The oblits are also an excellent choice for sniping guard gunships, the gunships can't hide from walking lascannons.

G

'ard Boys 2009= whoever gets the first turn wins!

Just watch.....

asugradinwa wrote:3 demolisher cannons in a squadren, the inq with mystics nominates a unit in this instance, the 3 demolisher russes, get a free shot on the drop.

You should be ashamed for even THINKING of something that power gamey.

Nah, really you shouldn't.

So, I guess you develope plans around not deep striking...

Sarigar wrote:So, I guess you develope plans around not deep striking...

With the new IG, I wouldn't. Minus 2 to the reserve roll may make your army late to the dance.

mikhaila wrote:

Sarigar wrote:So, I guess you develope plans around not deep striking...

With the new IG, I wouldn't. Minus 2 to the reserve roll may make your army late to the dance.

A good way to protect a gunline from snikrot!

olympia wrote:

mikhaila wrote:

Sarigar wrote:So, I guess you develope plans around not deep striking...

With the new IG, I wouldn't. Minus 2 to the reserve roll may make your army late to the dance.

A good way to protect a gunline from snikrot!

Sniff, and that makes Skikky cry. Just about to start him to go with my kommando mob.

Any information on when semi finals and finals will be held?

Avariel wrote:Any information on when semi finals and finals will be held?

They are still working on where first round will be. Stores only found out about it a few days ago. We have a two day fantasy tourney that weekend and are trying to figure out what to do. Finals might be in Chicago bunker, but no clue when.

i hope its in chicago i can drive there no problem. unlike last year i didnt even try because i knew i wouldnt be able to go to the finals even if i made it.

asugradinwa wrote:'ard Boys 2009= whoever gets the first turn wins!

Just watch.....

In 5th edition, going second is the new going first.

i disagree Danny, it depends on the scenario and the 2 forces much more now.

frgsinwntr wrote:i disagree Danny, it depends on the scenario and the 2 forces much more now.

to an extent he's right. But when facing a guard army with 9 leman russ tanks I'll think I'd take the first turn given the choice.

Especially if it's the "joining this battle in progress" or the "wacky" scenario. This was the one where you alternated deploying squads one by one, anywhere on the board. First turn charges by nids into your entire army sort of decided the game.

toxic_wisdom wrote:

olympia wrote:That's good to hear. I look forward to seeing how IG lists with 9 Lemann Russ perform.

Horribly when standing up against CSM lists with Oblitz spam ... DS Meltas ( icons ) + Squadron rule = destroyed on 3+

INQ lord + 2 mystics = dead oblits.

Seems as though it will mech vs. anti mech this year. I think both eldar and orks pack a lot of potential and as always, so do CSM

What are Mystics?

Semi finals are held at shops and I imagine the finals will be in Baltimore again.

G

Green Blow Fly wrote:Semi finals are held at shops and I imagine the finals will be in Baltimore again.

G

Nope, more like Chicago this time around. They are compiling the list of store's for semifinals currently.

That would be interesting.

G

rlsquared2 wrote:What are Mystics?

They give you the possibility of detecting deep striking units as they land and shooting at them immediately.


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grizgrin wrote:

Caffran9 wrote:
Competitive IG should be taking an IQ with Mystics, and at those points he'll almost certainly be in a Valk/Detta. Have fun trying to deepstrike through 3 free demolisher shots on each unit of oblits before they get to shoot at the tanks

And how are you getting 3 shots from that MystInq?

Nope, he meant three Demolisher Cannon shots plus all other weapons that can bear. Actually rather easy to do. Field a squadron of three Demolisher. Inq and two or three Mystics park themselves within 12" of any vehicle in the squadron. Deepstriking/summoned shows up. If the Mystics detect the unit as it arrives, then any UNIT (such as a squadron of tanks) may be nominated to fire at the arriving unit. And what's more, that squadron of tanks can fire at each and every detected unit in any given turn.....................

Looks like some nitwit (namely me) hadn't fully considered the effects of the new squadrons.

Would Demolishers really be the way to go anymore, or maybe a squadron of Plasma Death Tanks instead?

If you like fielding tanks that cost almost as much as a vanilla LR, go ahead.

Sooo. Is it official? Is there a GW web site posting about it?

any dates for the semi finals?

skkipper wrote:any dates for the semi finals?

No dates or locations for semifinals yet.

the date for the semis kinda matters to which army I am taking. I am gone for most of the august on vacation so it is either berzerker horde or something fun.

Assuming you make it to the semi round Just let me know which store you play your first round at Skkipper so I can be at another and not get wasted.

you don't have to take the same army to both so it doesn't really matter though. It would matter if you had to keep the same one but you could take a totally different army for round 2 so it still shouldn't be a big deal

A friend of mine who works for gw sed the finals will be at BlatiMore agains.

G

asugradinwa wrote:Assuming you make it to the semi round Just let me know which store you play your first round at Skkipper so I can be at another and not get wasted.

Say, would either of you fellas have suggestions for good spots around Seattle for the first round? And Keith, if you fancy a test game with t\hat 'Zerker horde, I'm happy to give it a try with my mechdar sometime soon.

In all honesty the GW stores tend to have the lowest comp level from the past. If any of the regional stores are doing it then I'd go there if you want the best chance of getting to the 2nd round.

Wait, no GT this year?

Great, the only thing good thing that ever came to vegas, and it's not coming this year.

I hate you GW.

Yeah I was so surprised to f nd out .

Green Blow Fly wrote:A friend of mine who works for gw sed the finals will be at BlatiMore agains.

G

Information from GW consistant as usual.) I got my info that it will be in Chicago from the head of promotions. Having lunch with him Friday so I'll see if I can confirm it, and a date for semi's.


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Kreedos wrote:Wait, no GT this year?

Great, the only thing good thing that ever came to vegas, and it's not coming this year.

I hate you GW.

Yeah, they announced this about 2 months or so ago. Should be back next year. GW US and GW Canada merging has caused a lot of chaos and shifting of people. GT's this year were a casulty.

Savnock wrote:

asugradinwa wrote:Assuming you make it to the semi round Just let me know which store you play your first round at Skkipper so I can be at another and not get wasted.

Say, would either of you fellas have suggestions for good spots around Seattle for the first round? And Keith, if you fancy a test game with t\hat 'Zerker horde, I'm happy to give it a try with my mechdar sometime soon.

the first round last year had store all over the place. place near seattle would be fantastic games in edmonds. I played there 2 years ago and made it through. there were some really small places out on the peninsula that probaly would be the easy way through. mech eldar versus the horde is a tough match up it really depends on my deepstriking rolls on my oblits and the mission. I will probaly go to the same place as asugrad, ernies games in woodinville.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=600001a

Hmmmm second round is the same weekend as dragonflight. What to do if I place well in the first?

Hey all,

Here are the dates for Ard Boyz for 2009-2010 for your future planning.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?community=true&catId=&ategoryId=400002a&aId=500011a

I'm working on getting up the rules packs (with a list of allowable armies etc.) and the list of participating stores as soon as I can. Check the 40K 'Ard Boyz section in the coming days for more info.

Find out more. GW Site > Community and Events (link in upper left) > Ard Boyz Tournaments

Have Fun!

John

ohhhh I had better get my WOTR army ready for Febuary as well.

yeah the date for the semis puts me in upper peninsula of michigan. So it looks like I get to bring fun to the first round.

3 deathstrikes oh yeah

asugradinwa wrote:Hmmmm second round is the same weekend as dragonflight. What to do if I place well in the first?

Dude, you really have to ask yourself that question? The whole year is full of well-balanced comp-heavy opportunities for respectful play amongst gentlemen (er, gentlepersons). A nice head-kicking gladiator tourney is pretty unfortunate to miss. I do hope the Washington semis are on the wet side of the state, though.

[Tangent alert] As for 3 Deathstrike lists, would that even have a chance, given how long they take to launch?

And War of the Ring 'Ard Boyz is on that schedule too... has there been a LOTR 'Ard Boyz before?

well on turn two they go off on a 5 so 1 could go off on the second turn. the chimera and meat shield around them makes them pretty tough.

Wild speculation:

IG win through broken codex and immunity to nob bikers/lashspam.

Does anyone know if I can play the 1st round in North Carolina. Then go to the second round in California?

Hello again,

The Ard Boyz section of the site hath been updated.

Rules pack and allowable armies (PDF, bottom of the page):

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?community=true&catId=&categoryId=400003a&pIndex=0&aId=9500009&start=1

Participating Stores (a few more are going to be added this afternoon, 6/9/09)

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=400003a&pIndex=2&aId=600001a&start=3

Expect to see the first round scenarios in the coming weeks.

All for now,

John

yes you can play in any qualifier then play in any regional. that being said some regionals could fill up so reserve your spot.

Is that all of the stores or will more be added as I think I only see one store for UT who usually have about 5-6 participating.

Wow, would be so much easier to read the locations if they put the states next to them. Oh well, time to spend 30 minutes seeing what's around me

There are more stores being added, and those should be up this afternoon, but I've not seen any additional stores in UT other than Dragon's Keep, and Blackfyre Games.

Hopefully one of those is near you.

John

I like it!

Anyone else see in the rules for the army list that grey knight terminators can't travel in a vendetta or valkyrie?

Yep, but I also saw that I can take Vet squads as allies for my GK's!

Yes, States should be added. How many Springfields are therein the US?

We're currently using our store finder database for the store listings, so you can click on the store name and see addresses, map, directions etc. Currently that database doesn't display the state name in the list. I see how it can be a bit daunting to find a store in an area you are unfamiliar with. I'll put up a spreadsheet with the states attached for easier reference this week.

Thanks for the feedback,

John

Boggles the mind why inquisition and space wolves can take land raider redeemers but not BA, DA or templars lol

the Inquisition can't take the redeemers, only the allied space Marines can (as their Allied Land raider, that they can only take 1 of & have to have two allied troops choices.)

I personally thank you for that John. It makes it far easier to find them. Then at least if i know it's from CA i can click and see where. Though i do like that you have the map function set up for them already.

As requested, All the venues and their states:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?community=&catId=&categoryId=400003a&pIndex=1&aId=600001a&start=2

The stores in our store finder (for directions phone numbers and such):

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?community=&catId=&categoryId=400003a&pIndex=2&aId=600001a&start=3

That should hopefully make it a bit easier to find a venue near you.

Have Fun!

John

John is doing a bang up job!

Thanks, John!

So two Exorcists and three Leman Russ Executioners it is

are there any stores not yet posted? There are only three stores listed for Ohio, and none of the cleveland area stores. Are they just not running one?

I can drive down to Akron, but I can't imagine the Warzone or Recess wouldn't run one.

kadun wrote:So two Exorcists and three Leman Russ Executioners it is

if you really want... but 2 is more then enough. remember they all shoot at the same target since they are a squadron

Yeah western PA is running the 'ard boyz as well.. Legions replaced recess last year for semi-finals.

frgsinwntr wrote:

kadun wrote:So two Exorcists and three Leman Russ Executioners it is

if you really want... but 2 is more then enough. remember they all shoot at the same target since they are a squadron

Some IG players wanting to do an armored company are going to get a rude awakening when they face a Crimson Fists army (or Sterngaurd heavy army). 1 - 5 man pod with combi meltas = 185pts and will likely pop one russ and damage another. I think people are gonna be ready for the new IG.

Now all we need is leaked missions like last year.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Now all we need is leaked missions like last year.

They weren't leaked last year. They posted the scenarios the week before each round.

I think he was talking about the previous tournament in which they were leaked, so half the people showed up knowing the misssions with teaked list & the other half were owned.

asugradinwa wrote:I think he was talking about the previous tournament in which they were leaked, so half the people showed up knowing the misssions with teaked list & the other half were owned.

you mean the last ard boyz? The missions were up on the site I believe more than a week before the event for anyone to see.

in 2007 when the missions were leaked and I posted a link and got called bad names.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/191697.page

Like always Skkipper comes through. I was talking about the 2007 tournament, as I remember a lot of people complaining about it.

In this powergamiest of settings, it seems like a good idea (well, at least taking the minmaxing to the heights of ridiculous) to let things be truly tailored the whole way, even specifically to the scenario.

At the WA semis in 2007, most folks who already had them passed the scenarios around to most other people anyways. It was the fair thing to do. Maybe some players didn't get to build their lists for the scenarios directly, but at least they got to consider tactics for a while before the games. I would've built my list the same way anyways, having already minmaxed as hard as possible.

Is that the complete/final list of stores for the qualifiers? It has no stores listed for Iowa but the guy at the flgs (mayhem comics) said we were confirmed for running it again this year.

Hello again,

We'll be posting the scenarios a few weeks before each event. They are being playtested currently.

An informational packet for stores running Ard Boyz events is going out via email today. It has sign up sheets, flyers, results sheets and other useful materials. Trade reps will email them to participating stores.

There may still be a few stores that need to be added. All participating stores not currently listed online should contact their trade rep to confirm and make sure the trade rep forwards the info to me.

John

John Shaffer wrote:
We'll be posting the scenarios a few weeks before each event. They are being playtested currently.

thank you! I can't wait to see what 5th ed ardboyz missions actually look like : p

ummm last year's 'ardboys was in 5th edition...

asugradinwa wrote:ummm last year's 'ardboys was in 5th edition...

That may have been the joke he was trying to make.

derek wrote:

asugradinwa wrote:ummm last year's 'ardboys was in 5th edition...

That may have been the joke he was trying to make.

they were in 5th edition... but they weren't 5th edition missions... well not exactly anyways. They were basically all KP missions! which is kind of a throwback to 3rd... and 4th ed

Anything but kill points please. The missions will determine if I try and make it a go this year. If they are current 5th edition rules no thank you. Playing a 2-3 hour game trying to pull out a KP victory is about as exciting as #%^$#$%.

Maybe they will mix KPs with objectives. That would rock.

G

At least one KP mission makes ties the event to conventional 40K strategies at least a little. Also, KP (in moderation) compensates against a min-sized unit strategy. Otherwise IG would _really_ run the show. Even with blobbing, all those support units will be a liability.

Hi John

Thanks for posting information regarding the event here. Would you please be so kind as to address if the GW FAQs and Errata will be used along with the rulebook?

Thanks!
G

The FAQs are always used.

As John has already posted, GW has the three-page info sheets in PDF on their web site.

The most interesting points for me were the clarifications on codices:

1. How the new IG and SM codices affect allies for WH/DHs.

2. That Grey Knight Terminators can't ride in Valks or Vendettas.

3. That Deathwatch SM are no longer used.

4. That I completely missed the Blood Angels update in WD 329-330. Guess I'll be shopping around for some old magazines...


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John already posted that stuff over 2 weeks ago.. a few pages back

Has anyone heard about an updated store list coming out?

I'm travelling from upper michigan to play . . . somewhere hopefully, and any of the locations I've contacted either, aren't sure they are running it because of a Magic pre-release, just flat out not running it, one even indicated it was closing.

I have a detailed list of all the stores down here in Florida that will host the preliminary round. Some will play on Saturday and others on Sunday. Supposedly there is a shop in Georgia that will run the 1st round on the following Saturday. G

1st round Scenarious are up http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m200036a_40KArdBoyzRound1Scenarios.pdf

Green Blow Fly wrote:I have a detailed list of all the stores down here in Florida that will host the preliminary round. Some will play on Saturday and others on Sunday. Supposedly there is a shop in Georgia that will run the 1st round on the following Saturday. G

I would be very, very interested in hearing about any store that is running the tournament after the first weekend. If someone can confirm the stores name, and have a phone number for them, please PM me. We were told that was not an option, even already had a 2 day tournament scheduled for that weekend.

(And to be fair, GW is helping us to manage running both events on the same day. More curiosity here than drama.)

I don't know how many stores are listed in Georgia for the first round but I reckon if someone were to call them they would probably find out. It's not a big deal to me as I'll be playing down in Florida.

G

Well, it doesn't look like they're going to get the list of stores fixed up in time, and if they do people probably won't be seeing it in time to matter, so I figure I'll throw an ad for our location up here.

Mayhem Comics in Des Moines, Iowa. Biggest gaming room in Iowa, or so they advertise. It's at least the biggest I've seen and twice the size of where I went for semis last year. Best of all you'll get a chance to play against me and see if my recent losing streak continues! (it's been really bad)