Nah, Tau would probably get swept aside by the Hive fleet. Orks are randomly scavenging/getting eaten by 'nids, and Humanity either collaspes or wins big.
Tau, obviously. It's only a matter of time before the water caste negotiators persuade Chaos and the 'Nids to join The Empire. I don't see how it could play out any other way.
Ridcully wrote:Tau, obviously. It's only a matter of time before the water caste negotiators persuade Chaos and the 'Nids to join The Empire. I don't see how it could play out any other way.
Really. You ever hear about the story between Horus and Sanguinis near the end of the heresy? Well he tried to persuade Horus back to the imperium and he got his ass kicked.
And 'nids are unperusuadable.They only want to eat.It's sorta like a britney spears thing with the nids.
Ridcully wrote:Tau, obviously. It's only a matter of time before the water caste negotiators persuade Chaos and the 'Nids to join The Empire. I don't see how it could play out any other way.
Really. You ever hear about the story between Horus and Sanguinis near the end of the heresy? Well he tried to persuade Horus back to the imperium and he got his ass kicked.
And 'nids are unperusuadable.They only want to eat.It's sorta like a britney spears thing with the nids.
There was so much sarcasm packed into my statement that i figured a smiley was necessary to clarify that it was indeed not serious.
The only hope the Tau would ever have against 'Nids and Chaos is to advance their tech.
Humanity will probably shrink down to a handfull of heavily fortified planets, then potentially re-organise and start growing again.
Tau will absorbe more races, including lots of imperial planets, advance their technology and carry on growing until their numbers make them more appealing to Chaos.
Nids will carry on munching the Eastern fringe.
Orks will be Orks.
Chaos will suffer as Humanity shrinks and they lose some of their power, but find new races to get worship from.
Necrons will carry on waiting for the live species to shrink back.
Eldar will eventually die out, or give out to Slaneesh.
Dark Eldar will eventually realise that their aims can be better achieved by opening a chain of S&M based shops.
Tyranids will likely consume everything in the galaxy worth eating then move on, then the whole cycle begins over again.
The only ones with the manpower to really stop them are the humans of the Imperium, or possibly the Necrons depending on just how many warriors are really in storage.
Then again, who knows? Not like these things follow any logic. =D
GoFenris wrote:Well, the way I see it, after all the other races have been defeated, the Orks would fight 'Nids for a few millennia until finally...
'Nids win!
Thank you good sir, I now have an image in my head of a chorus of Gaunts eating an Ork while singing "NomNomNomNomNomNomNom!" in a high pitched chipmunk voice...
The whole thing makes me both laugh and die a bit inside
MABYE (If there is a god) there will be a mass evacuation of humanity to escape from the 'Nids. The most elite and dedicated of Humaities warriors and such make for the cold void between galaxies.
Eventually, they arrive at another galaxy (with a way more efficient webway or something) just in time to see some wierdly shaped ships blow up a big round thing above a forest moon.
it would probably be choas demons as they can't die they just get banished back to the warp . Either that our humanity as they have biggest empire and probably have the manpower to destroy all Xenos.
Burn the heretic.
Kill the mutant.
Purge the Unclean
well the story of the Rhana Dhandra says that there will be a huge battle between both the eldar and Chaos, ending the the destruction of both, so i would say that given that they are gone, and once all the normal humans die from orks, and the space marines being marines can just stand fight till they die, non eof them will win, the necrons will go back into statis after their gods find the tau unappealing, nids will be killed by a group of orks making their way onto each hivefleet, and the tau will recruit the orks, so tau will survive
It has allready been astablished that if Orks worked together in one MASSIVE WWWAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHH of destruction then they would wipe out EVERYTHING! I think the ressurection or a herald of Gork, Mork or maybie Bork could do that.
On the other hand chaos can retreat to the warp and the emperor's throne is broken. This is stated in a timeline in the 5th Edit rulebook so mankind collapses and Chaos spills forth. It is only the Emprah holding chaos deamons and marines back from another HUGE black crusade.
Space Marine wrote:it would probably be choas demons as they can't die they just get banished back to the warp . Either that our humanity as they have biggest empire and probably have the manpower to destroy all Xenos.
Burn the heretic.
Kill the mutant.
Purge the Unclean
Well, you see, if Chaos Daemons were to win, they would cease to exist. They are reflections of emotion, and if there is no-one left to feel emotion, than there is no emotion. If there is no emotion, then there is not reflection of emotion, no warp, and no daemons.
Space Marine wrote:it would probably be choas demons as they can't die they just get banished back to the warp . Either that our humanity as they have biggest empire and probably have the manpower to destroy all Xenos.
Burn the heretic.
Kill the mutant.
Purge the Unclean
Well, you see, if Chaos Daemons were to win, they would cease to exist. They are reflections of emotion, and if there is no-one left to feel emotion, than there is no emotion. If there is no emotion, then there is not reflection of emotion, no warp, and no daemons.
yes but the warp would exist in other galaxies as well as the 40k galaxy and there would probably be life there so the demons can feed of there emotions so continue to exist
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statu wrote:well the story of the Rhana Dhandra says that there will be a huge battle between both the eldar and Chaos, ending the the destruction of both, so i would say that given that they are gone, and once all the normal humans die from orks, and the space marines being marines can just stand fight till they die, non eof them will win, the necrons will go back into statis after their gods find the tau unappealing, nids will be killed by a group of orks making their way onto each hivefleet, and the tau will recruit the orks, so tau will survive
The tau would never manage to recruit orks as there lust for battle wouldn't last long with a tau alliance thus will turn on the tau and the orks outnumber tau so in your story orks would win and will continue to fight each other for the rest of time
The way I see it there are many possibilities:
1. The golden throne fails and the emperor not being able to fight daemons anymore, chaos will consume the galaxy, everybody will die including chaos as there will be no more souls to sustain them.
2. Just as the golden throne fails the emperor is reborn and humans kick ass.
3. 'nids eat everything.
4. Tau carve out a huge empire and become dominant.
5. Huge imperial civil war.
6. All necrons arise arise at once and start a huge harvest.
7. Various mixtures of the above (my guess)
Why can't humanity just move to another galaxy? On the other hand if the nids eat everything in the known galaxy they might go extinct unless they have some advance technolgy. Chaos will never die because they have the whole universe if humanity die out they'll just go somewhere else.
I think it will probably come down to the Necrons and the Tyranids, with the Necrons being the eventual winner.
The Tyranids are huge, organized and no diplomatic solution can be rationalized. Almost every fight they win will only make them stronger. In the face of such an enemy, the fractured forces of the other races will eventually be destroyed.
Except...
The Necrons. The size of the necron forces has never really been told, though we can assume it to be massive given that there are untold numbers of tomb worlds housing tens of thousands of maybe millions of Necrons. The necrons have an almost limitless supply of troops given their ability to self-repair coupled with thier teleportation technology. On top of that, they seem to have a command and control network capable or uniting all the other tomb worlds, which they would need to fight the Tyranids.
They also have the pariah effect, which is probably their greatest weapon in their war against the hive mind. Also, keep in mind that the necrons have no known biomass sources so the Tyranids will probably not be able to win a war of attrition in their normal way.
tigonesskay wrote:Why can't humanity just move to another galaxy? On the other hand if the nids eat everything in the known galaxy they might go extinct unless they have some advance technolgy. Chaos will never die because they have the whole universe if humanity die out they'll just go somewhere else.
Well actually that is wrong. The chaos gods rely heavily on human worship. If the human race were to die the gods worship would halt considerably. Search Cabal on lexicanum and tell me I'm wrong.And the tyranids just hibernate till they get to a new galaxy.
@RxGhost: I think you are vastly overestimateing the amount functional tomb worlds left. Many, if not most, have fallen into disrepair and a lot more have been lost completley. You are certainly right about the war of attrition. Killing the Necrons would take a lot out of the Tyranids, but I think through sheer numbers they could do it.
@deadratman: Hibernation is not going to allow the fleet to live forever. Eventually, they would resort to cannabilism (on a greater scale then now) and they can only feed off themselves for so long.
I'm sure that in one of the books, it is stated that the Golden Throne is actually stopping the Emperor from an even grander battel with Chaos as it is trapping him in his smei-mortal form.
It is only when he is free that he will be able to take the war to the Chaos gods themselves.
Although I think the nids will win... they have the will and an entire galaxy/universe of resources with which to use.
Who knows how many galaxies they have already eaten and how many hive fleets there are? And what about the possibility of super and mega fleets that make what we have seen so far look like the toe nail clipping of a hive tyrant?
Emperors Faithful wrote:@RxGhost: I think you are vastly overestimateing the amount functional tomb worlds left. Many, if not most, have fallen into disrepair and a lot more have been lost completley. You are certainly right about the war of attrition. Killing the Necrons would take a lot out of the Tyranids, but I think through sheer numbers they could do it.
@deadratman: Hibernation is not going to allow the fleet to live forever. Eventually, they would resort to cannabilism (on a greater scale then now) and they can only feed off themselves for so long.
Well technically the tyranids did hibernate. They migrated from another galaxy. But you are right on the cannibalism.The norn queens will keep on absorbing creatures and will just re-reproduce to maintain the hive ships.
Yes but the whole greatness of the tyranids is that they can sustain themselves as they travel across the dark void of space by reabsorbing. Check it out on lexicanum
But you HAVE to admit that if the Tyranids didn't get to another galaxy in time (say they get lost in a gap between galaxies or sumfink) then eventually they would starve out completely.
my vote oes to some epic gak with the Tyranids, Dark Eldar , and Chaos.
versus
Eldar, Tau, Imperium
greenskins will never go away of course. necrons will attempt to reharvest the galaxy, the emperor's golden throne will turn into some crazy titan and battle the C'tan. he'll serve up a beating to the deceiver and the nightbringer just like he did to the dragon C'tan.
WaterboyBHS wrote:
greenskins will never go away of course. necrons will attempt to reharvest the galaxy, the emperor's golden throne will turn into some crazy titan and battle the C'tan. he'll serve up a beating to the deceiver and the nightbringer just like he did to the dragon C'tan.
So are you saying that the Emperor's golden throne is a Transformer?
Emperors Faithful wrote:But you HAVE to admit that if the Tyranids didn't get to another galaxy in time (say they get lost in a gap between galaxies or sumfink) then eventually they would starve out completely.
Yes but you are forgetting that the tyranids dont travel all at the same time. They send them out in waves and tendrils to make sure that there is food. That is why the tyrannic wars were like a hundred years apart.
The Imperium will make some weapon that is so devastating that when set off, it creates a rip in reality so powerful that the entire known universe collapses in on its self.
@deadratman: What? No, it would take more than a hundred years to move through a gap in space. Also, the whole Hive Mind is lurking just outside the edges of the galaxy, sending in waves to test the strength of RESISTANCE, not in another different galaxy waiting for news of whether there is a galaxy or not.
But then how do you explain the migration of the tyranids. They did come from another galaxy because they ran out of food. It would take thousands if not millions of light years to get from one galaxy to the other and yet the tyranids are still a very powerful threat.
Yes, so they must of been absolutley GARGANTUAN when they were finished with the old galaxy, and have been a little trimmed after their long trip. That is why, if the 'nids were cast back into the void, they would eventually starve out (or become a far more hadleable threat to the next galaxy.)
As it is, after the long trip between galaxies, the 'nids must be starving.
Humans are reduced in numbers drastically, at the brink of extinction the evolution is complete and the first full control psyker is born (or reborn because he is the god emporor).
The Eldar who are down to their last thousands realize that their time in this universe has long past and that the very purpose the Old ones created them for has yet to be accomplished, and so in a psy nova sized blast destroy the last C'tan and similar suicidal attacks remove tomb worlds and the last of the once thriving race.
The Space Marines who have been unable to do anything about the recent Tyranid-Ork clash decide to do a complete (thats the entire 1 million marines) attack on the hive fleets to stop the Nids from absorbing the ork biomass that increases exponentially with the neverending Waaagh, knowing deep down that they will succeed at the ultimate cost, not doubting it for it is their duty to the emperor and the human race.
IF the Tyranids wiped out all life and were forced to cannibalism, they would only last but so long. Due to the nature of science, a perfectly efficient system that doesn't loose energy in any form is impossible to attain.
Please consider the following:
Due to the nature of Tyranid development, the Tyranid population is kept in check only by availability of resources. We can essentially compare the Tyranid to a simple slime mold. By nature, slime molds are motile colonial fungi, essentially meaning it's a bunch of little cells that can live independently but act as one entity. The colony will grow rapidly unless it encounters limiting factors, such as interspecies competition, disease, weather, and so on. In addition, slime molds are decomposers that use the matter and energy from dead/dieing matter, which is comparable to how Tyranids use biomatter to create new spawn.
If you put a slime mold in a petri-dish with x-amount of organic matter, the mold will eventually run out of resources even as the mold decomposes its old, dead parts. The system will suffer from entropy over time, as there is nothing to re-introduce energy into the system. The metabolic processes will always produce or require energy, in which a certain amount is always lost to heat. Over time, the amount of energy in the system will dwindle as the colony/hive eats up everything in sight, produces significant waste, and looses most energy through heat as time goes by.
The principle of entropy still applies in hibernation for the Tyranids, because it will still take energy and resources to maintain individuals in dormancy (because these individuals undoubtedly still have a metabolism of some sort). Essentially, the ravenous nature of the Tyranids could cause it to peter out after it hypothetically takes over galaxy/universe/whatever.
Hopefully that cleaned up a loose end or two from the Tyranid debate?
I am pretty positive now how the 40k univerese will end. IT WILL NEVER END!!!!! Khorne's Hate will always be felt so bye bye peace. Tzeench has some wierd plan at the moment so we say "see ya later stratedgy" on ending it.Nurgle will just set a disease on a planet and the race who owns that planet will blame the imperium that they virus-bombed the planet. And slaanesh will keep on giving pleasure to everyone and everlasting peace will be a form of pleasure so like the emperor will bann it.(Well actuall more correctly the high lords of terra will bann it.)
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Tk421 wrote:Real quick comment on theTyranid debate:
IF the Tyranids wiped out all life and were forced to cannibalism, they would only last but so long. Due to the nature of science, a perfectly efficient system that doesn't loose energy in any form is impossible to attain.
Please consider the following:
Due to the nature of Tyranid development, the Tyranid population is kept in check only by availability of resources. We can essentially compare the Tyranid to a simple slime mold. By nature, slime molds are motile colonial fungi, essentially meaning it's a bunch of little cells that can live independently but act as one entity. The colony will grow rapidly unless it encounters limiting factors, such as interspecies competition, disease, weather, and so on. In addition, slime molds are decomposers that use the matter and energy from dead/dieing matter, which is comparable to how Tyranids use biomatter to create new spawn.
If you put a slime mold in a petri-dish with x-amount of organic matter, the mold will eventually run out of resources even as the mold decomposes its old, dead parts. The system will suffer from entropy over time, as there is nothing to re-introduce energy into the system. The metabolic processes will always produce or require energy, in which a certain amount is always lost to heat. Over time, the amount of energy in the system will dwindle as the colony/hive eats up everything in sight, produces significant waste, and looses most energy through heat as time goes by.
The principle of entropy still applies in hibernation for the Tyranids, because it will still take energy and resources to maintain individuals in dormancy (because these individuals undoubtedly still have a metabolism of some sort). Essentially, the ravenous nature of the Tyranids could cause it to peter out after it hypothetically takes over galaxy/universe/whatever.
Hopefully that cleaned up a loose end or two from the Tyranid debate?
Yes so emperors faithful and myself are both right.
The tyranids would be able to get to another galaxy but at a tiny fraction of what it was due to starvation. That cleared up a few things.
Tk421 wrote:Real quick comment on theTyranid debate:
IF the Tyranids wiped out all life and were forced to cannibalism, they would only last but so long. Due to the nature of science, a perfectly efficient system that doesn't loose energy in any form is impossible to attain.
Please consider the following:
Due to the nature of Tyranid development, the Tyranid population is kept in check only by availability of resources. We can essentially compare the Tyranid to a simple slime mold. By nature, slime molds are motile colonial fungi, essentially meaning it's a bunch of little cells that can live independently but act as one entity. The colony will grow rapidly unless it encounters limiting factors, such as interspecies competition, disease, weather, and so on. In addition, slime molds are decomposers that use the matter and energy from dead/dieing matter, which is comparable to how Tyranids use biomatter to create new spawn.
If you put a slime mold in a petri-dish with x-amount of organic matter, the mold will eventually run out of resources even as the mold decomposes its old, dead parts. The system will suffer from entropy over time, as there is nothing to re-introduce energy into the system. The metabolic processes will always produce or require energy, in which a certain amount is always lost to heat. Over time, the amount of energy in the system will dwindle as the colony/hive eats up everything in sight, produces significant waste, and looses most energy through heat as time goes by.
The principle of entropy still applies in hibernation for the Tyranids, because it will still take energy and resources to maintain individuals in dormancy (because these individuals undoubtedly still have a metabolism of some sort). Essentially, the ravenous nature of the Tyranids could cause it to peter out after it hypothetically takes over galaxy/universe/whatever.
Hopefully that cleaned up a loose end or two from the Tyranid debate?
Well tyranids arn't a mold what if they were a virus or bacteria just in highly advanced stages? There are many viruses and bacteria that can suspend themselves totally with no metabolism or anything an are eccientially are just shells floating around untill they hit matter they can feed on then BAM the come out of hibernation. The hive fleet don't have to support much because all there troops are pretty much spawned as needed the arn't a living army like IG or SMs.
Though I agree with you what you said is sort of a stretch. The fact about the tyranids is that they are the embodiment of life itself. A living breathing view of evolution(though exxagerrated many times.).The constant need of change and the constant struggle to survive in a hostile world. That in my opinion is the morale of 40k.
Seriously though I think the Tau just need time and will expand to become the dominant race. the Imperium is on the way out and the Tau aadvance at such a rate we coiuld expect them to surpass even the Necrons in a few short milennia. It wouldn't be easy by any stretch, but if they survive a few thousand years who knows? Also i believe the Tau were created by the eldar for the expressed purpose of being uncorruptable by Chaos and therefor a very effective weapon against them.
The tau only advanced so far because of the warp storm humans advance just as fast as them. If the SM ever devoted a large assault at the Tau theyd wipe them out. If any race besides humans or Tyranids would win itd be Orks but thats because orks always win.
CajunMan550 wrote:The tau only advanced so far because of the warp storm humans advance just as fast as them. If the SM ever devoted a large assault at the Tau theyd wipe them out. If any race besides humans or Tyranids would win itd be Orks but thats because orks always win.
Orkses alwayz winz.
If we winz, we winz.
If we runz, we'll come back and winz sum uvver time.
If we diez, well that don't count coz we'z dead aren't we?
I can see a few flaws with this theory. Ussually dying is considered to be losing.
CajunMan550 wrote:The tau only advanced so far because of the warp storm humans advance just as fast as them. If the SM ever devoted a large assault at the Tau theyd wipe them out. If any race besides humans or Tyranids would win itd be Orks but thats because orks always win.
In 6000 years the Tau advanced from cavetau to surpassing the imperium in technology. I'm guessing it took humanity somewhere between 50,000 and 500,000 years. who's advancing faster?
Well as far as we can tell though we don't do know how much the tau physically changed. 50k years ago were not humans. They were damn close but nothing to the people of this time. its only taken us 2000 years to go from Rome to Now. Then that's if you don't count that big clusterfeth in the middle called the dark ages haha. We humans don't do too badly.
Yeah i think this cajun guys got it. Plus he is not counting the fact about the scientists today. They are making loads of projects come to life everyday!
CajunMan550 wrote:
Well tyranids arn't a mold what if they were a virus or bacteria just in highly advanced stages?
That's exactly what mold is, mate. Slime mold is made of protists, which are essentially fancier cousins of bacteria.
Tyranids aren't a virus, since viruses need to inject genetic material into a host. The host eventually destroys itself, releasing more viruses. The 'nids probably have a virus arsenal of some sort, but they aren't "viruses" in of themselves.
Tau aren't even a factor. Have you seen their codex?
But seriously, the fact the Tau can't harness warp technology would make them unable to maintain a galactic empire. Without a way to communicate on such a huge scale they would have no overal leadership and they would fall apart into different warring factions. Think what happened to humanity before da empra came along.
Chaos as it is relies on the survival of humanity to maintain existance and if humanity was wiped out chaos would be to. BUT the destruction of humanity would give birth to a new God. Think the fall of the Eldar and the birth of Slannesh.
Orks are Orks. They'll just keep doin' Ork stuff till the are wiped out. They have no goals thus they cannot win.
The Tyranids and the Necrons are really the only two races to consider in the end.
SonofTerra wrote:HMMMMM, maybe the nids are a galatic virus
injected into the host (galaxy)
Galaxy explodes into war releasing even more nids......
Nice try. Host needs to be a living organism that has genetic material. Don't try to pull some sort of transcendental "the galaxy is living" thing. Galaxies don't have DNA codes.
Personally, I would love the orksies to win but I highly doubt that they will be anything except a persistence annoyance and a bunch of scavengers/looters.
The Imperium has a 50/50 shot of winning or losing. They either deal with the Tyranid threat, beat them back and focus on the other smaller ones or die trying. Chaos, no matter what, won't go away as long as the Imperium exists.
Even if the Tyranids win, they will lose in the long run since they would've eaten all the planets/living organisms and eventually die out. Tau will probably be eliminated because, lets face it, they are phyisically capable to withstand much more fighting. Sure they're weapons will keep armies at bay for a bit, but eventually they will cease to exist either by 'Nids or the Imperium (maybe another race but I don't really know much about their confronts with them except maybe a run in or two with orks). Eldar/Dark Eldar will become less of a threat and more of a nuisance in the long wrong...
All in all, my opinion is that... you all saw this coming by my explianation of course. It's such an obvious answer if you paid attention to what I've been saying... The "winning" (for lack of a better word) race would be... *drum rolls* Necrons! They do not need a planet to stay alive (I don't think they need air...) and don't need to eat... Thus, since we still have no clue how many the Necrons have in numbers and that they are a really tough threat to deal with (at least fluff-wise) even with their (currently) low numbers... Thus, I believe in the end only the Necrons will still be around... Though, theoretically, the Tyranids or the Imperium may "win"; Necrons will still be around and have shown that they are a threat that can decimate entire planets...
Well if the emprah comes back I would back the imperium but that anit happining.
orks have got a good chance of always surviving but not wiping out other empires.
Tyranids and crons have got the best chance Imo and it would probably come down to a war between these factions, of which I cant see nids winning as I think they would leave once they killed all the other races
ramzca wrote:Personally, I would love the orksies to win but I highly doubt that they will be anything except a persistence annoyance and a bunch of scavengers/looters.
See? SEE?!? This is what I've been trying to tell ALL those orky supporters! In YOR FACE Xav/ChaoticOrkz/Orkeosaurus etc!!!
1) Necron Gods the Dragon and the uh... other guy (one is on Mars, one in a Dyson Sphere, forget where)... and Pariah program comes to fruition. Pretty well take over the galaxy, blot out all pyschic impressions and turn the Warp into pure liquid, destroying the one force that could stop them.
Off of this though, and scary prospect here, if Pariahs are the perfect symbiosis between machine and flesh.... can the Tyranids assimilate them?
2) Tyranids wipe out all bio-matter, no pyschic impressions left to maintain warp/chaos gods, no food for 'crons... game over, time to start floating the void for another galaxy to consume
3) The Emperor comes back, sets all things right yadda yadda, Humanity lives happily (if zealously) ever after
Really #3 isn't a 'Universe ending' but a way to end story.
The Chaos gods can't win because, from my understanding, they exist BECAUSE of mortal beings, niether side can 'win', because one creates the other.
The Tau just don't have the numbers to rule the galaxy (Japan in WWII, huge empire, too few people of their own)
The Eldar are smart, techy, but dieing off
The Orks are awesome, and if somehow one could unite them all... might overwhelm everyone else in sheer numbers and brutality, but would need some way to psychically link to every Ork out there (best idea, Gork and/or Mork manifest to 'Lead dah Greatest Waaaagh!')
Imperium is a stagnant, rotting from the heart outwards corpse, and without a new Emperor or some technology that radically alters their culture and/or communication/travel networks, they are at best going to persists, at worst be wiped out.
What I think would happen bassed on the way the races work with population, size, might, and will power.
Eldar get wiped out. It doesn't matter who kills them.
DE follow suit right after if not at the same time. In the same way.
Tau will get smashed by the Nids or orks.
Humanity will get snuffed out next. They will go out like they are caught between the unstoppable force and the unmovable object.
Chaos will follow humanity down the drain as the 3 remaining races have a low impact on 3 of the 4 chaos gods. There will just not be enought greed, lust, envy, or sickness in the universe to keep them going strong. Khorne will be the last one to circle the drain.
Necrons will get snuffed by the Nids or Orks. Both have the psychic power via hive mind oder Waaagh! to overwhelm them eventually. Also both are unending in number. Necron are resilient but only 3 gods left and not nearly enought warriors to snuff out the endless hordes of the other two races.
Then the final battle between the two unstoppable forces will commence. Both seemingly endless.
Nids will win in the end between those two in the long run. They will be able to consume the enemy and their own fallen while the Orks can only spawn new warriors on planets that have not been taken by the Nids. Nids just consume too much to be stopped. It is thought that the 3 hive fleets we have seen so far are just the leading edge of the fleets to come.
What GW will have happen?
The Emperor reincarnates and the Primarchs come back. Humans PWN. The end.
Blackclaw wrote:1) Necron Gods the Dragon and the uh... other guy (one is on Mars, one in a Dyson Sphere, forget where)... and Pariah program comes to fruition. Pretty well take over the galaxy, blot out all pyschic impressions and turn the Warp into pure liquid, destroying the one force that could stop them.
Off of this though, and scary prospect here, if Pariahs are the perfect symbiosis between machine and flesh.... can the Tyranids assimilate them?
2) Tyranids wipe out all bio-matter, no pyschic impressions left to maintain warp/chaos gods, no food for 'crons... game over, time to start floating the void for another galaxy to consume
allow me to completely feth up your theory 1. the c'tan (and as such necrons in general) want to seal the warp and not allow it to connect with the material universe rather than turn it into liquid.
2. Pariahs are psycic nulls and if the tyranids absorbed them it would cause the hive mind to cease to exist, massive psycic being becoming a psycic null is never good for it
3. The necrons dont need food, only the c'tan do and the tyranids are just as tasty as other lifeforms thus necrons purge and c'tan eat them. Nid fail.
Blackclaw wrote:1)
3) The Emperor comes back, sets all things right yadda yadda, Humanity lives happily (if zealously) ever after
IIRC The emperor did not spread around that he was GOD. He was the one who came up with the Imperial Truth. That was to explain the universe to the masses while stripping away superstition and religion so people could see from a point of logic and reason. It was only during the Horus Heresy and after his incarceration in the golden throne that the Cult started spewing forth the God stuff to keep the population focused on the empire and suppress innovation as a means to maintain the status quo.
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Blackclaw wrote:1) Necron Gods the Dragon and the uh... other guy (one is on Mars, one in a Dyson Sphere, forget where)... and Pariah program comes to fruition. Pretty well take over the galaxy, blot out all pyschic impressions and turn the Warp into pure liquid, destroying the one force that could stop them.
Off of this though, and scary prospect here, if Pariahs are the perfect symbiosis between machine and flesh.... can the Tyranids assimilate them?
2) Tyranids wipe out all bio-matter, no pyschic impressions left to maintain warp/chaos gods, no food for 'crons... game over, time to start floating the void for another galaxy to consume
allow me to completely feth up your theory 1. the c'tan (and as such necrons in general) want to seal the warp and not allow it to connect with the material universe rather than turn it into liquid.
2. Pariahs are psycic nulls and if the tyranids absorbed them it would cause the hive mind to cease to exist, massive psycic being becoming a psycic null is never good for it
3. The necrons dont need food, only the c'tan do and the tyranids are just as tasty as other lifeforms thus necrons purge and c'tan eat them. Nid fail.
the nids do not have to absorb them they just have to kill them. Any synapse creature could do it as they all have the ability to think for themselves to some extent. Hive mind says kill them and it's on like donkey kong.
C'tan rely on the warriors for the souls and emotions of the fallen enemy to feed. No soul, no emotion. Weak C'tan. Not to mention that the C'tan can be destroyed by a mighty psychic power. That is why they built the few towers to try and stop the psychic forces from attacking them. Also to try and stop the enslavers.
Search (ctrl+F) for the words "until the Primordial Annihilator at last achieves ascendancy." (Or it's on pg 394 of the book.)
Whether or not this 'ascendancy' means conquering the universe or dying or something else altogether, I have no idea. But Humanity won't have a spot in the end of the 40k Universe.
Search (ctrl+F) for the words "until the Primordial Annihilator at last achieves ascendancy." (Or it's on pg 394 of the book.)
Whether or not this 'ascendancy' means conquering the universe or dying or something else altogether, I have no idea. But Humanity won't have a spot in the end of the 40k Universe.
chaos needs humanity to survive no humans chaos loses power. Now of course there are other species out there in the universe but does the power of chaos extend beyond the galaxy?
Orks will never be wiped out. They're way too far spread, and they continue to spread more quickly than anyone else. That's not to say they would end up the victors of the conflict in the Milky Way.
The Tyranids and Necrons are both a huge unknown right now. Especially since they may still come into conflict with one another. Chaos goes deeper than humanity, but if it will ever come to rule the material universe is still unknown. (The Cabal wasn't omniscient, and we still don't know what Alpharius and company did with their prediction after the Heresy.)
The Tau would require a ton of luck to survive long enough to become a galactic power. Especially since they haven't had an Iron Men incident yet (the drones are rebelling!).
combatmedic wrote:The Imperium will make some weapon that is so devastating that when set off, it creates a rip in reality so powerful that the entire known universe collapses in on its self.
Ridcully wrote:Tau, obviously. It's only a matter of time before the water caste negotiators persuade Chaos and the 'Nids to join The Empire. I don't see how it could play out any other way.
Really. You ever hear about the story between Horus and Sanguinis near the end of the heresy? Well he tried to persuade Horus back to the imperium and he got his ass kicked.
And 'nids are unperusuadable.They only want to eat.It's sorta like a britney spears thing with the nids.
There was so much sarcasm packed into my statement that i figured a smiley was necessary to clarify that it was indeed not serious.
The only hope the Tau would ever have against 'Nids and Chaos is to advance their tech.
No there only hope is to take steriods, and get like the space marines!!! lol, thats a funny picture.
Please, Tyranids dont need steroids to be like space marines. All they have to do is numnumnumnunmnum!!!!
Inquisitors demand that every planet make 5 trillion thermonuclear,hydrogen,biological war heads the size of russia and on the day they launch them on every enemy world,some guy spills coffee on the computor mainframe killing everything in the galaxy in a fiery whirlwind of radiation,hydrogen,AIDS,small pox,nurgle's rot and any other disease.
Its simple, according to the Iluminati, the golden throne fails, causing a fall of mankind mutch like the fall of the eldar, crating a fifth chaos god and a second eye of terror, but the size of the imperium (IE the entire galaxy). The Necrons -or more accurately their c'tan masters- are bathed in the warp (which is their anethma), every planet becomes a deamon planet, everyone (including orks) is slaves to one god or another and I would like to see the tyranids eat THAT! Hovever the tau are still alive, having 0 signature in the warp.
nonono, according to the illuminati, eveantually the emporor will die of exaustion, and at the point of his death, all his children will be sacrificed and the emporor will be reincarnated to his former glory ( or debatably, he will become a god) and he will lead manking to requonquer the galaxy that was once thiers
Ridcully wrote:Tau, obviously. It's only a matter of time before the water caste negotiators persuade Chaos and the 'Nids to join The Empire. I don't see how it could play out any other way.
Wow.
Just wow.
They must have some really good negotiators.
kennyalhavg wrote:nonono, according to the illuminati, eveantually the emporor will die of exaustion, and at the point of his death, all his children will be sacrificed and the emporor will be reincarnated to his former glory ( or debatably, he will become a god) and he will lead manking to requonquer the galaxy that was once thiers
I said what they were trying to prevent, as what they are trying to achive woulden't really be the end.
Obviously Da Orkz iz gonna win, lead by Ghazghkull Thraka.
"I'm da hand of Gork and Mork, dey sent me to rouse up da boyz to crush and kill ‘cos da boyz forgot what dere ‘ere for. I woz one of da boyz till da godz smashed me in da ‘ead an’ I ‘membered dat Orks is meant to conquer and make slaves of everyfing they don’t kill.
I’m da profit of da Waaagh an’ whole worlds burn in my boot prints. On Armour-Geddem, I led da boyz through da fire deserts and smashed da humies’ metal cities to scrap. I fought Yarik, old one-eye at Tarturus, an’ he fought good but we smashed iz city too.
I’m death to anyfing dat walks or crawls, where I go nothin’ stands in my way. We crushed da stunties on Golgotha, an’ we caught old one-eye when da speed freeks blew da humies’ big tanks ta bits. I let ‘im go ‘cause good enemies iz ‘ard to find, an Orks need enemies ta fight like they need meat ta eat an’ grog ta drink.
I iz more cunnin’ than a grot an’ more killy than a dread, da boyz dat follow me can’t be beat. On Pissenah we jumped da marine-boyz an’ our bosspoles was covered in da helmets we took from da dead ‘uns. We burned dere port an’ killed dere bosses an’ left nothin’ but ruins behind. I’m Warlord Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka an’ I speak wiv da word of da gods. We iz gonna stomp da ‘ooniverse flat an’ kill anyfing that fights back. We iz gonna do this coz’ we’re Orks an’ we was made ta fight an’ win!"
-Ghazghkull Thraka
@ Locbot: Actually, every 40K map you can find is just of our one galaxy. The big swirling pattern of stars is what the Milky Way looks like from space. Since we're inside the milky way, all we see is one 'arm' when we look into the sky.
The universe includes everyone in other galaxies, which are really, really far away.
Orkestra wrote:@ Locbot: Actually, every 40K map you can find is just of our one galaxy. The big swirling pattern of stars is what the Milky Way looks like from space. Since we're inside the milky way, all we see is one 'arm' when we look into the sky.
The universe includes everyone in other galaxies, which are really, really far away.
locbot wrote:But there aren't that many planets in the milky way
Short answer, yes there is.
Long answer, yes there is and even if there wasnt 40k is kind of fictional, if GW say 40k takes place in the milky way (which they do) then it does.
I belive it will end with the Imperium in ruins,torn apart by internal strife,chaotic influince and having far to many "fronts" to fight on, Orkz,Nidz & Necrons locked in battle,with Nidz probably coming out victorious,Chaos & Eldar basicly unchanged (though I'm probably wrong concerning Eldar),Tau whiped out
The Emperor will return. He will immediately order the Adeptus Terra to build a gigantic burrito. He will then use several converted, warp-capable asteroid bases to tow said burrito to Ultima Segmentum, where he will leave it in the path of the oncoming hive fleets.
Faced with such a massive tasty snack, the Nids will have little choice but to divert all attention to nomming the gigantic Segmentum-spanning Burrito.
Full to bursting with ground beef, refried beans, and other burrito fillings, the Nids will turn their fleets around, having finally found the feeling of fullness they sought for so long. They will then leave multiple trails of rancid stink as they make their way across darkspace once more.
With the Nids defeated, the Emperor will turn his attention to the issue of Chaos. He will send great shipments of Hallmark cards into the Eye of Terror, telling each of his remaining sons how much he still loves them, and how he doesn't blame them for the evil that has corrupted each of their souls. Some hugging will ensue. Angron will have a good old fashioned crying session. The Iron Warriors will send a written apology to the Imperial Fists for kidnapping Lysander. The once-traitor Primarchs will emerge to rejoin their father once more.
The Emperor will then turn his attention to the Orks. With the Chaos Gods still alive, he will convince the Orks to travel into the Eye of Terror for an eternity of endless fighting and the chance to stride beside their gods, Gork and Mork. The Orks, who would be totally wicked-stoked at the thought of getting to fight Khorne, would all Waaagh!, as a race, headlong into the Eye of Terror.
With the Orks, Nids, and Tyranids out of the picture, the Emperor would turn his attention to the Eldar. Explaining to them that Slaanesh likely had Gork and Mork's combined boots up her arse, and was probably being strangled to death with her own male anatomy by two hordes of Boyz playing Tug-of-War on opposite sides of her throat, he would tell the Eldar that they're free to return to their carnal lifestyle. The Eldar and Dark Eldar would meet up and do bad things that even 4Chan would never mention, and they would never bother humanity again.
Having felled both the Eldar and Dark Eldar with his ingenious cunning, the Emperor would then turn his attention to the Tau. Sneaking up on each of the Etherals while they sleep, he would take a picture of his glowing, radiant manhood on each of their foreheads. He would then construct huge billboards on Tau worlds and in Tau space, featuring the image. Disspirited and embarrassed, the Ethereals would commit suicide and the Tau race, stricken with grief, would self destruct and revert back to savagery.
Finally, the Emperor would handle the slowly waking Necron threat by dropping mass amounts of Sony PS40,000's and XBox1080's onto the surface of every world. Those inhabited by Necrons would see their hidden denizens clamor forth and collect the gaming platforms of the GRIMDARKFARFUTURE. Retreating into their tombs for many centuries of digital babymaking with their new partners, the Necrons would reappear with the platform to best all platforms. they would then engage in a new genocidal crusade. A Console Crusade. All inferior consoles would be destroyed and replaced by the Necron SUPERGRIMDARKAWESOMEMEGACONSOLENECRONPLAYBOX. This 'Grand Console' would consume the lives and attention spans of all Imperial youth, and the Necrons would trade the C'Tan for immesurable riches and corporate success as the sole console manufacturer in the Galaxy.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Don't forget Abbadon wold have to apoligies for the whole almost killing the Emperor thing. That would be really awkward at dinnertime at the Emperor's house.
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Don't forget Abbadon wold have to apoligies for the whole almost killing the Emperor thing. That would be really awkward at dinnertime at the Emperor's house.
locbot wrote:Ya I just read that in the codex sorry I heard Abbadon did it somewhere but still you'd have to admite...awkward
Admite? I'm sorry with those last posts you have relegated yourself to the 10 year old noob section of my mind, enjoy the cries of "no john you ARE the daemons" and "TRY MY SITE!".
But on a less insulting note i stick to my original post, big crunch.
locbot wrote:But there aren't that many planets in the milky way
Yes there is. Try reading National Geographic. From 2000-2003 scientists had discovered about a hundred uranus-to-Jupiter sized planets about 14.5-37.5 light years away. Though none of these are earth like planets these are essential in clearing out matter for the development of smaller planets. So yeah there are alot of planets out there.
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FITZZ wrote: I belive it will end with the Imperium in ruins,torn apart by internal strife,chaotic influince and having far to many "fronts" to fight on, Orkz,Nidz & Necrons locked in battle,with Nidz probably coming out victorious,Chaos & Eldar basicly unchanged (though I'm probably wrong concerning Eldar),Tau whiped out
Wow that was actually one of the most positive statements in this whole thread.
locbot wrote:Ya I just read that in the codex sorry I heard Abbadon did it somewhere but still you'd have to admite...awkward
Admite? I'm sorry with those last posts you have relegated yourself to the 10 year old noob section of my mind, enjoy the cries of "no john you ARE the daemons" and "TRY MY SITE!".
But on a less insulting note i stick to my original post, big crunch.
HEY! I'm 12! And I don't understand the end part of your sentence.
There's gonna be some epic fight between Chaos daemons, Orks, Necrons and Tyranids.....
Then, the Orks will be the first to lose because even with all that spore epicness (I wish I could breed via spores) the 'Nids would eventually assimilate them.
Then the Necrons, they will suffer severe casualties, retreat to make repairs and will be gone for a small eternity....
Then the 'Nids, they will keep throwing themselves at the daemons until they are extinct....
Then the Necrons come back after 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years and then there will be an eternal war between daemons and necrons that will only end when the Universe gets bored and obliterates itself.
Global Warming actualy kicks in and the sun explodes after like 37,000 years.
I would try to explain the inherent stupidity of this comment but.....I don't think I have the mental fortitude or patience required, suffice to say 'What has science done?'
On topic: Orks, Tyranids and Necrons seem to be the only real contenders in the fight for the material galaxy simply because they have the largest forces. IMO Tyranids will have a huge advantage over Orks simply because Tyranids are united and coordinated, where as Orks are not. An important factor in the fight between Necrons and Tyranids is that the Tyranids will be unable to consume the biomass they require as they attack Necron worlds as Necrons strip worlds of all life. We know this biomass denial works (see Leviathan versus Inquisitor Krypman, "Imperial Dick"). So yea, my vote is Necrons unless of course Behemoth/ Kraken/ Leviathan are merely scout fleets.
locbot wrote:Oh haha your halarious. Guys please stop picking on me.
Another Way it could happen:
Global Warming actualy kicks in and the sun explodes after like 37,000 years.
Dear lord...
Not only is global warming COMPLETELY unrelated to the suns lifespan (which by the way is another 5 billion years not 80,000) but the local sun to terra exploding would not destroy the galaxy OR universe, hell it only destorys half the local solar system.
The emperor would probably stop it somehow anyway...
Ridcully wrote:Tau, obviously. It's only a matter of time before the water caste negotiators persuade Chaos and the 'Nids to join The Empire. I don't see how it could play out any other way.
Wow.
Just wow.
They must have some really good negotiators.
Water Caste negotiators are physically the strongest beings in the 40k universe, and therefore the most persuasive. You have about as much chance of nailing one to the wall as you do with pinning down the sea with a straight answer. We're talking land raider toughness here.
I'm betting on Tyranids or Necrons. The only way I think that the Necrons could lose would be if enough of the Necron Lords went crazy and refused to obey the C'tan and started fighting each other instead. Otherwise they are completely invincible because they can never be killed permanently and will eventually grind any opponent down into the dust.
locbot wrote:Oh haha your halarious. Guys please stop picking on me.
Another Way it could happen:
Global Warming actualy kicks in and the sun explodes after like 37,000 years.
Dear lord...
Not only is global warming COMPLETELY unrelated to the suns lifespan (which by the way is another 5 billion years not 80,000) but the local sun to terra exploding would not destroy the galaxy OR universe, hell it only destorys half the local solar system.
The emperor would probably stop it somehow anyway...
well fine terra would die you guys are like EVERYTHING Nazies god get a life.
Probaly between Nids: There deffintely there no question.
Orks: I think they will be wipped out to near the last man by eldar, nids and chaos but will slowely get regain there numbers near the end when eldar have gone and Necrons are hugely cripped.
Imperium: I can imagine a few pockets of humans still alive trapped somewhere on a random planet.
Chaos: The traitor legions will be dead but the gods will be there (All five)
FITZZ wrote: C'mon guys,he's just a kid,direct him, don't disect him.
thank you.
My other thoughts:
Chaos Gods go bananas and come out of the warp and start fighting themselves killing almost all the Imperium. With such a humungous amount of psykers being killed the Emperor regaines his power and leads the Imperiumin a last stand and Terra against the Chaos Gods like he did against Horus. However, the Emperor finds himself to have become even more incredibly powerful than he was before Horus slayed him. With a single blow he makes way of Slannesh, being the youghest God. With these events, the Dark Eldar soon crumble under the wraitbone of the Eldar whom were attempting a final assault of the Dark Eldar. Meanwhile, the Emperor manages to slay Nurgle but was injured during the fight. As this happened, all the daemons and spawns fell into the warp to join there fallen Gods. Also, all the Chaos Marines who Nurgle and Slannesh smiled apon lost all their power, being no match for the remaining Inquisition on Terra. The Eldar, seizing the oppertunity, convince the Orks to launch a full scall assault on Terra to claim it as their own and to get all the "Shiny Bitz" but most of all to fight the Emperor and Chaos Gods. The battle every Ork wanted to fight. The Orks arrived and flouded the battlefield, completly crushing Chaos, and Imperialist alike but the Emperor, Khorne and Tzeentch. Tzeentch then managed to provoke Khone to attempt kiling the Emperor after he had recovered from destroying Nurgle. With the Emperor at a full stat, he fought Khorne with the cost of severe injuries. Tzeentch's plans were finally revieled. While the Orks made work of the small force of Grey Knights protecting th Place, where the Emperor fought his battle, Tzeentch summonded thousandes of daemons, consuming the Orks. With most of the Orks finished, the Eldar sent Strike Teams to eliminate all remaining Ork camps. But, the Necrons watched a everything died, waiting to make their move. With the Emperor's might matched by Tzeentch, the Emperor was finally destroyed, never to return.
Okay short brake from the extreme epicness.
So far the dead races are: Dark Eldar, Orks, 3/4 Chaos, Daemons, Imperium
And the races still alive: 1/4 Chaos, Eldar, Necrons, Tyranids, Tau
(half time show)
Terra was not enough. Tzeentch's plan was not complete. But a pest was in his way, the Tau Empire. When Tzeentch arrived in the Eastern Fringe however, the Tau had already been destroyed. But by what, you ask? Looking at the planets, Tzeentch saw vegatation, corrupted by an alie foe, the Tyranids. It appeared as though the Tyranids had completly consumed the Tau world's, leaving no survivor. With the Orks completly destroyed by the Eldar, the Necrons made their move. They destroyed the Craftworld's with ease. The world was to be their's.
And so our final battle is to come. Tzeentch was planning on corrupting the Eldar, but his warships were massacared but the Necrons. It seemed as though nothing could stop them, but maybe the Tyranids could. The Necrons retreated to Mars and hid in it's tombs, letting the Tyranids consume each planet. When the Tyranids fianlly arrived at Mars, the Necrons emerged form the ground ripping the Tyranids to shreads. The Tyranids could not conume the Necrons and there flesh was no match for the Necrons armor. The Tyranids were destoyed, and so the Necrons raised pylons and cores and each planets, eviving their culture.
The world is theirs now, and there is no contender.
Its great that your using punctuation. Your idea is good but some things could never happen like:
1. The Emporer gets feed thousands of psykers every day just to keep him alive.
2. The chaos gods cannot enter the material realm thats why they have to use champions like Horus to do there bidding.
3.The Orks wouldnt be united and if they could it would take them it would take months to organise and launchan assault on Terra.
4. The chaos gods are being of infinate power I dont think the Emporer could kill them doesnt matter how powerful he is.
5. Its in the Chaos Gods interestes to support and help the Human race. They cannot live without emotion and there main source is humanity.
6. Without the help of there gods the traitor marinesare still a formidable force even without powers there a match for the Inqusition. The Traitor marines are the same as the Loya marines but with up to 10k exprience.
oh sorry i didnt know that stuff but also I was more considering Moral but you have a point about everything else. But wouldnt that mean Necrons and Chaos would just figh tforever since both are everlasting?
Automatically Appended Next Post: and i didnt know that the chaso gods loved the huamns thats actually kinda kool to think about. I'm gonna go give Nurgle a hug now.
Those marines not physically possessed or mutated would likely survive (Assuming they aren't in the Eye when it collapses). Their lives don't depend upon the Gods. Study the facts. The only ones that would be affected by their deaths would be those physically possessed and/or mutated by Chaos (Things like Obliterators and DPs). Your basic, run-of-the-mill angry bald and screaming Chaos Marine would probably be fine, albeight weakened. And the Necrons don't have tomb worlds on every planet. Suffice to say, it would likely turn into a battle between Necrons, Nids, and Orks for the remaining living worlds that are Tomb-free.
Most tomb worlds are dead or harshly inhospitable in terms of temperature or atmosphere levels. This is of no use to the Tyranids, or the Orks.
Those tomb worlds that do carry life are of high value to all three. These tomb worlds likely hold citizens, which have souls. Something the C'tan want. They hold life, which is something the Tyranids want. They likely hold militaries, which the Orks yearn to fight. They also have Vehicles, weapons, and resources that the Orks would be after.
Settled Non-Tomb worlds would be of much the same value as the aforementioned.
So no. NECRONS DON'T WIN. Please make use of -some- amount of factual info in your posts...
There is realy no evidence that the Emporer will return or that he is stronger then the chaos gods combined.
Even If the chaos gods are destroyed the large amount of rage, digust, pleasure and schemeing coming out of this Galaxy wide war between nids, Orks, necrons, random xenos races and possibly some Humans.
Cause the Chaos gods dont feed of Ork emotion but would be back in the next few hundred thousand years.
While Life and emotions exists so do the chaos gods. They been here since the begining of time taking little interest in the material realm and will be here when everything and one is dead.
Lord-Loss wrote:There is realy no evidence that the Emporer will return or that he is stronger then the chaos gods combined.
He would if he had to build a giant burrito...
Lord-Loss wrote:Even If the chaos gods are destroyed the large amount of rage, digust, pleasure and schemeing coming out of this Galaxy wide war between nids, Orks, necrons, random xenos races and possibly some Humans.
Cause the Chaos gods dont feed of Ork emotion but would be back in the next few hundred thousand years. While Life and emotions exists so do the chaos gods. They been here since the begining of time taking little interest in the material realm and will be here when everything and one is dead.
They feed off all emotion from any psychic sensitive race. Humanity is just their strongest card. Without Humanity, Gork and Mork would probably have the Gods hog-tied and gagged... Except Slaanesh. She'd get off on that. So without emotion in the Galaxy, they would die. Sort of like how Gork and Mork would cease to exist if the Orks, as a race, stopped believing in them. That said, the Gods aren't able to physically manifest themselves. Which is why they use temporary avatar forms such as Greater Daemons. Because the Gods themselves would not survive in the material realm.
I dont think Universe will ever end for 40k. When the Imperium and all the other races are dead, new ones will apear and the cycle will start all over again.
Metallifan@Dont forget there are multiple galaxys with Orks and Nids in them so Its possible there are xenos races in those galaxys too.
I think part of the reason why Gork and Mork are so much more powerful then the chaos gods is cause there are Orks in other galaxys.
Honestly I can imagine a giant battle Nids vs Orks vs Necrons on a huge scale. I mean hundreds of worlds destroyed in the fighting. The Orks are huge thanks to all the fighting and the Nids have consumed so much biomass there trillions of them.
This battle could be ragging in other galaxys as the Old Ones put spores in multiple galaxys and Nid aint from the Milky Way.
If you mean the end of EVERYTHING, like the entire 40K universe just eding then it would need to be the Tyranids.
(a) They wipe out the psychically active Prey Species
(b) The death of these species leads to the extinction of Chaos, as they no longer have a viable source of emotion.
(c) The 'nids also consume the non-psychic species (Tau)
(d) The Necrons and their c'tan masters would either stay in permament stasis (their energy sources having been consumed) or would attempt to fight the Tyranids who would eventually evolve a way to consume the Necrontyr and their living metal (T-1000 Nids anyone? :p)
(e) once the known 40K galaxy is stripped clean, then the Tyranids move outwith known space to hunt once again.
If Chaos succesfully wiped out everything, which in turn would destroy themselves, and only Tzeentch would appreciate that I feel ("Oblivion eh? That'd be a nice change). A similiar thing would happen to the Necrons, as their food source would be cut off by the old 'nids, the C'Tan would then either consume each other, attempt to consume the Tyranids or go back to drinking suns.
Although I must say, I do like the idea of the Orks finally uniting and killing the crap out of EVERYTHING!!! would be awesome
metallifan wrote:Those marines not physically possessed or mutated would likely survive (Assuming they aren't in the Eye when it collapses). Their lives don't depend upon the Gods. Study the facts. The only ones that would be affected by their deaths would be those physically possessed and/or mutated by Chaos (Things like Obliterators and DPs). Your basic, run-of-the-mill angry bald and screaming Chaos Marine would probably be fine, albeight weakened. And the Necrons don't have tomb worlds on every planet. Suffice to say, it would likely turn into a battle between Necrons, Nids, and Orks for the remaining living worlds that are Tomb-free.
Most tomb worlds are dead or harshly inhospitable in terms of temperature or atmosphere levels. This is of no use to the Tyranids, or the Orks.
Those tomb worlds that do carry life are of high value to all three. These tomb worlds likely hold citizens, which have souls. Something the C'tan want. They hold life, which is something the Tyranids want. They likely hold militaries, which the Orks yearn to fight. They also have Vehicles, weapons, and resources that the Orks would be after.
Settled Non-Tomb worlds would be of much the same value as the aforementioned.
So no. NECRONS DON'T WIN. Please make use of -some- amount of factual info in your posts...
Few thing to correct you on.
Orks actually prefer dead or inhospitable planets, or if those arnt on offer they will go for planets with the most things to fight.
C'tan dont feed on souls, they absorb energy and life energy (different to souls, souls are warp based thus the c'tan dont like souls) is the most tasty of treats for C'tan.
Nid's dont go for life they go for biomass (the chemicals life is made out of) such as hydrocarbons, DNA is a bonus so they would attack worlds without life if they got the chance as long as the world had some of the chemicals needed (remember nids eat the atmospheres, all the water and alot of the minerals as well as the life on a planet).
Orks would see 'nids and 'crons to be worthy opponents so they would most likely just attack the hivefleet or ANY tomb world, or simply another group of orks, rather than just surviving worlds with humans on them.
I wasn't aware Orks could survive on zero-atmosphere worlds. Learn something new every day.
Life/biomass. Biomass is generally something living to some degree... So I'd say 'Life' would be another term that could be used. Dead worlds don't have much, if any, biomass. They're... well... dead. Why do you think they avoid Dead Tomb Worlds? There's not enough, if anything, there for them to nom.
Orks would attack anything, yes, but Human worlds would have supplies in the form of weapons, ammo, vehicles, scrap, etc... that they'd want. I'd think that the smart Warboss would consider that first, THEN go fighting everything once he's got all he needs as I was suggesting.
Metallifan, your being kinda of a hypocrite. You get pissed at me all the time for posting immaturely then post crap like a giant burito's will kill the Tyranids. Really? That's just being an obnoctious jerk.
metallifan wrote:I wasn't aware Orks could survive on zero-atmosphere worlds. Learn something new every day.
Life/biomass. Biomass is generally something living to some degree... So I'd say 'Life' would be another term that could be used. Dead worlds don't have much, if any, biomass. They're... well... dead. Why do you think they avoid Dead Tomb Worlds? There's not enough, if anything, there for them to nom.
Orks would attack anything, yes, but Human worlds would have supplies in the form of weapons, ammo, vehicles, scrap, etc... that they'd want. I'd think that the smart Warboss would consider that first, THEN go fighting everything once he's got all he needs as I was suggesting.
Don't forget, the Tyranids eat a planet's oceans, atmosphere, and any useful materials inside of it as well. So just because a world has no life doesn't mean it can't be Tyranid munchies.
locbot wrote:Metallifan, your being kinda of a hypocrite. You get pissed at me all the time for posting immaturely then post crap like a giant burito's will kill the Tyranids. Really? That's just being an obnoctious jerk.
I don't get pissed, I get annoyed at 5 word comments without any facts/basis/analysis to them that people post just to increase their post count. It's all good and fun if someone puts down a multi paragraph comical response. But one sentance replies with no real thought put into them are a waste of thread space. And It's called a sense of humor. Go drink your juice and settle down.
Deathbot wrote:Don't forget, the Tyranids eat a planet's oceans, atmosphere, and any useful materials inside of it as well. So just because a world has no life doesn't mean it can't be Tyranid munchies.
If it has an ocean though, I wouldn't consider it a 'dead world' pe se, because it still has live on a microbiological scale. When I think 'Dead World" I think like, nothing more than carved rock and settled dust concealing vast tomb networks several Kilometers below the surface. A planet with little or no natural atmosphere left.
Would metals count as biomass? I'm not sure. I guess they could break down certain metals they might need for their biology to function, but would geological resources register much with them or would they take more of a back seat on the 'things to nom' list.
Deathbot wrote:Don't forget, the Tyranids eat a planet's oceans, atmosphere, and any useful materials inside of it as well. So just because a world has no life doesn't mean it can't be Tyranid munchies.
If it has an ocean though, I wouldn't consider it a 'dead world' pe se, because it still has live on a microbiological scale. When I think 'Dead World" I think like, nothing more than carved rock and settled dust concealing vast tomb networks several Kilometers below the surface. A planet with little or no natural atmosphere left.
Would metals count as biomass? I'm not sure. I guess they could break down certain metals they might need for their biology to function, but would geological resources register much with them or would they take more of a back seat on the 'things to nom' list.
They also eat the metals out of the planet's core. I suppose a world like you describe might qualify as "light snack" on the "things to nom" list. A splinter fleet fleeing from a losing battle might use it as a desperate source of energy.
Hmm, maybe. Because I remember in the Necron 'dex there was a message from an Imperial Explorator fleet talking about how a Tyranid fleet completely bypassed a dead world, which happened to be a Necron Tomb World. I wonder if they were avoiding it because it was dead, or are the Nids' somehow able to detect Necron presence and realize the threat?
metallifan wrote:Hmm, maybe. Because I remember in the Necron 'dex there was a message from an Imperial Explorator fleet talking about how a Tyranid fleet completely bypassed a dead world, which happened to be a Necron Tomb World. I wonder if they were avoiding it because it was dead, or are the Nids' somehow able to detect Necron presence and realize the threat?
The Hive Mind operates via the Warp, and the Necrons have anti-Warp weapons. Perhaps the Tyranids didn't think they had a big enough force with them to challenge the Necrons on that planet. Or maybe there were some tastier worlds around and they intended to come back later.
Well the Hive mind is sort of 'in the gap' between Reality and the Warp, but that's a good point. The Necrons might have clouded or confused the Hive Mind and managed to divert them away. It said the fleet just completely bypassed the world, despite the fact that they could've landed and consumed it with really no resistance. Hmm... This bears further consideration!
I understand what you mean by comical paragraphes but I'm just frustrated with the fact that I didn't have much to say but still had a comedic response as well and don't think that quality is in the quantity of my post. I feel incredibly offended by you however that would insult in such a degree that you are treating me like a 5 year old. I'm 13, yes I'm yough, but I don't deserve to be treated like a mindless child. Also, if I made a post that was malinformed, please tell me nicely, I don't know what Pedro Kantor's favorite meal is, so please informe rather then act like I have no knoledge of eny sort. I hope we can end this as I have had many fights with people on other forums about them needing to respect the little guy more. And so I just want some respect from you if your not too bothered to give it.
I understand what you mean by comical paragraphes but I'm just frustrated with the fact that I didn't have much to say but still had a comedic response as well and don't think that quality is in the quantity of my post. I feel incredibly offended by you however that would insult in such a degree that you are treating me like a 5 year old. I'm 13, yes I'm yough, but I don't deserve to be treated like a mindless child. Also, if I made a post that was malinformed, please tell me nicely, I don't know what Pedro Kantor's favorite meal is, so please informe rather then act like I have no knoledge of eny sort. I hope we can end this as I have had many fights with people on other forums about them needing to respect the little guy more. And so I just want some respect from you if your not too bothered to give it.
"NECRONS WIN! HA!" Isn't funny. It's a waste of a post. Where have I insulted you? I haven't called you a feth-wad or a moron or anything. The closest I came was saying you were being cranky because you were. You're overreacting. If you'd stop overreacting every time someone points out that you're wrong somewhere, you'd probably be treated better. If you don't want to take 5 and go to Lexicanum or referance a Codex for some info, that's not my fault. I see no disrespect in my treatment of you. I've simply corrected you where you're wrong and told you to simmer down when you start getting touchy.
If you can't handle people correcting you and telling you to stop being so edgy when you start getting cranky, you shouldn't be on forums. I don't get offended when someone says I'm wrong, because if it's true it's true. I treat it as a lesson. You should do the same, or you're going to end up having fights here with people just like your other forums. That's some friendly advice. If you get offended by that, then there's not much else I can say to help you.
there's difference from telling someone they're wrong and being a douche about it. I think I'm just gonna stay with the MWG forums. Oh and I want be checking your responce so don't even bother making one. I tried to end this but apparently you think to highly of yourself for that to happen.
The Imperium are kinda the good guys, so you want them to win. The Tau would eventually be all wiped out perhaps my the 'nids or the Orks or something and the 'nids would then keep overrunning the universe until there are only a few Human Hive Worlds left and there would be a big showdown between the 'nids and all the Space Marine chapters untied.
Hey again guys, sorry for not replying to you sooner metallifan but ive been at a loss of a computer
The nid hivemind is a massive warp being, the soul of all the tyranid race and tomb worlds have an aura of what is essentially antiwarp that leaves a VERY bad taste in the the hive minds psycic mouth, this antiwarp is what causes the nids to avoid tombworlds.
and locbot, your posts are without any real research or seemingly any reasoning so dont be surprised when people treat you like a child.
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ultramarinelord wrote:The Imperium are kinda the good guys, so you want them to win. The Tau would eventually be all wiped out perhaps my the 'nids or the Orks or something and the 'nids would then keep overrunning the universe until there are only a few Human Hive Worlds left and there would be a big showdown between the 'nids and all the Space Marine chapters untied.
The imperium (haha! little case i, im such a rebel) are in no way shape or form goodguys Space facists feigning worship for a false deity in order to oppress the majority is pretty much bad guy material for any action/scifi film.
What people must remember about the nids is they are just passing through, they will consume all in their path and just carry on going to the next galaxy rather than having a massive standoff - orks and necron however ARE here to stay and they will have a standoff with either eachother or who ever else survives the nids (or in the orks case themselves).
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ultramarinelord wrote:The Imperium are kinda the good guys, so you want them to win. The Tau would eventually be all wiped out perhaps my the 'nids or the Orks or something and the 'nids would then keep overrunning the universe until there are only a few Human Hive Worlds left and there would be a big showdown between the 'nids and all the Space Marine chapters untied.
The imperium (haha! little case i, im such a rebel) are in no way shape or form goodguys Space facists feigning worship for a false deity in order to oppress the majority is pretty much bad guy material for any action/scifi film.
What people must remember about the nids is they are just passing through, they will consume all in their path and just carry on going to the next galaxy rather than having a massive standoff - orks and necron however ARE here to stay and they will have a standoff with either eachother or who ever else survives the nids (or in the orks case themselves).
A false deity? I seem to recall that during the Horus Heresy, when Horus was fighting with all the powers of the Chaos Gods combined and after he had torn the Emperor's arm off, when the Emperor finally decided to use his full power he not only killed Horus but purged his very soul from existence in mere seconds. Besides, they really don't have a choice. Everyone else wants to kill them or eat their souls. Or both.
The Tau resume negotiations with the orks and finally show them the light. They join the Tau and work with them towards the Greater good.
Instead of killing planets populations the Tau can now easily "convince" them to join the greater good or loose the orks on them.
The Eldar see what is happening and also pledge themselves to the Greater Good.
With the brilliance of the Tau and Eldar together with the army of the Orks, they easily conquer most of the galaxy. Most of the Imperium joins up with them as well as the smart Space marines.
No one can oppose the mighty army of the TauDar. And all of the races that don't join the greater good are easily destroyed.
Thanks to the Eldar having dealt with the problems of being a super force before, they don't fall into the recesses that they did last time and Chaos becomes a distant memory.
Eventually the Taudar incorporate the most genius of mankind into their empire rulers and a empire is born that has the best of each race helping lead it.
They eventually build a giant space station that can destroy entire planets and rule the galaxy with an Iron fist. No one ever rises to oppose them. (except a small band of "rebels"...)
corpsesarefun wrote:Hey again guys, sorry for not replying to you sooner metallifan but ive been at a loss of a computer
The nid hivemind is a massive warp being, the soul of all the tyranid race and tomb worlds have an aura of what is essentially antiwarp that leaves a VERY bad taste in the the hive minds psycic mouth, this antiwarp is what causes the nids to avoid tombworlds.
and locbot, your posts are without any real research or seemingly any reasoning so dont be surprised when people treat you like a child.
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ultramarinelord wrote:The Imperium are kinda the good guys, so you want them to win. The Tau would eventually be all wiped out perhaps my the 'nids or the Orks or something and the 'nids would then keep overrunning the universe until there are only a few Human Hive Worlds left and there would be a big showdown between the 'nids and all the Space Marine chapters untied.
The imperium (haha! little case i, im such a rebel) are in no way shape or form goodguys Space facists feigning worship for a false deity in order to oppress the majority is pretty much bad guy material for any action/scifi film.
What people must remember about the nids is they are just passing through, they will consume all in their path and just carry on going to the next galaxy rather than having a massive standoff - orks and necron however ARE here to stay and they will have a standoff with either eachother or who ever else survives the nids (or in the orks case themselves).
You're Computer-capable once more. That's what matters
Hm... I always remembered the Hive Mind being referred to as a psychic presence that existed in the gap between the Warp and the Material world. Thanks for the answer on why they avoid Tomb worlds though
And yea, the Imperium of the 41st Millenium would not be considered 'good guys'. Is there even such a thing? I would think that it all depends on one's opinion of what 'good' is. In any case, the Highlords of Terra have corrupted and twisted the Imperium to suit their views of what the Emperor would want. In truth, the Emperor would be pulling his hair out if he found out that the Imperium had become a Religious Theocracy devoted to Worshipping him as a god. They use the Inquisition to further their goals through the use of intimidation and terror tactics. Even the Imperium couldn't be considered 'good' by definition. Just one of the better options.
Yea, the Nids would go about munching on everything in their path, but they'd still be opposed by the Crons and Orks. Which (IMHO) are the two best candidates for holding them at bay. I could see a Stagnant conflict between the three ocurring. That or the Nids decide it's more effort than it's worth for what would be left in such a case, and they leave the Orks and Crons to eachother with plans to come back and nom the victor.
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Timmah wrote:Eventually the Taudar incorporate the most genius of mankind into their empire...
CREEEEEEEEEEED!
Timmah wrote:They eventually build a giant space station that can destroy entire planets and rule the galaxy with an Iron fist. No one ever rises to oppose them. (except a small band of "rebels"...)
And then it gets blown up by a 20 year old water farmer from Tallarn
locbot wrote:Oh haha your halarious. Guys please stop picking on me.
Y eah guys that's not nice On the topic though,The Imperium economy plummets and every human starves.
Know with their sworn enemy dead the Chaos Space Marines rebel against the gods for something to do and end up dead.
The Eldar and Dark Eldar realize their race is dying out and make love to each other but then they both get AIDS and keel over.
The necrons go in an all-out war with the orks and and they both kill each other for some reason.
Then the Tau realize that they were foolish enough to go to war with the Tyranids and commit mass suicide as directed by the Etherals.
Then with the whole galaxy dead the tyranids starve.
Without nothing to do the chaos gods start fighting beginning with Khorne attacking slaanesh beccause he was not getting new skulls and so he starts screaming "stop torturing people!Just kill them already!"
they hae a huge war and when Khorne thinks he's won Slaanesh rapes him in the middle of the night and kills him. But a bloodthirster is like "Blood for the Blood God." and kills Slaanesh before he ends up fading himself.
With Khorne And Slaanesh out of the way Nurgle ends up poisoning Tzeenetch with a new disease but before it works Tzeentch uses his magic to cure himself before poisoning nurgle with a bar of soap.
With noone to use his plans on Tzeentch commits suicide
The Old Ones are going to come back and be like, WTF??? and blow up the galaxy.
But seriously, Humanity is done for. I hate to say it, but they'll end up on a few really densely populated worlds with little outside contact; then they'll fight off a few invasions, but with so many people it'll be impossible to take them. Eldar are going to go extinct, Leman Russ will never give up, but he won't find anything to save humanity either, Chaos will eventually lose because there will be no one left to worship them, Tau will get bigger, but so slowly that they'll never take the galaxy (and the remainders will be eaten by the 'nids.) No one has any idea how many Necrons there are, and the 'nids will be very confused when they aren't as yummy as the others. The Dark Eldar are scary, but they won't last. Too few of them, not enough drive to colonize, etc.
Now, the Orks are a difficult one to judge. I think they'll be the last to go out, (if not the Tyranids,) but they'll kill themselves off none the less.
It's very difficult to say what will happen. Each race is either on the verge of dying, or is too powerful for their own good.
Most people are sayin that nids would win but in IG codex the 9th vostroyan first born were holding out against the nids and were running very low on ammuntion so they opened the gates on Karak prime and with the citys nuclear payload set and the bulk of the hive fleet moloch advancing they detonated the payload killing 85% of the hive fleet and the first born defenders as the winter was close all remaining nids starved to death so if the imperium lure nid hive fleet by nid hive fleet then in the end the nids MIGHT die? Out so there would be 1 threat gone.
A much larger Tau Empire, whats left of humanity, an all new Eldar ghost army,2 or 3 new emergent races, Small pockest of a crippled tyranid race, and orks.
This is how I see it. The 'Nids mostly by-pass the Tau for two reasons: 1)The Tau don't have a psychic signature to draw the 'Nids to them. 2)The Tau will set up satellite arrays and stealth shields to hide any planets that happen to be near the Tyranid fleets path. The Tau lend what assistance they can to living worlds within their ability to support, thus gaining territory through alliances.
Fully one-half of the 'Nids attempt to attack from above the galactic plane, striking towards Terra. The other half moves towards the maiden worlds.
At that same time the Necrons are awakend by such a huge life force entering the galaxy. The awakened Necrons move for and attack mars thus awakening the void dragon. It is here that the Necrons and Tyrraninds encounter one another and and begin the most epic war of attrition ever seen. The battling necrons and 'nids completely cut off terra from the other segmentums and the battle regularly spills into the Terran defense grid.
The Orks hear of this giant galactic war and start a giant WWAAUUGGHHH out of annoyance that they weren't invited. The opportunistic Orks attack in all directions attempting gain as much territory as possible, still quite a few of the orks make their way to the epic 'Nids vs necrons war.
Abbadon realizes that terra is cut off leaving the area around the eye of terror without support and begins another crusade. Slanesh, assists Abbadon this time and strikes at any eldar, even the DE.
The Eldar have forseen this and the craft worlds move to intercept the forces of Chaos and the necrons or move to protect the maiden worlds.
The reduction of shipping causes the DE to roam farther and in larger numbers than normal. This brings them into contact with races they normally don't see and forces them into longer engagements than what they preffer(Especially with the necrons).
These battles cause the end of the Eldar/DE races but in doing so ghost/wraith races are born. Ironically, they end up sharing some similar traits to the Necron race by becoming immortal spirits that live on in living armour.
The Necrons and Tyranids exhaust the majority of their strength on one another in the battle over which gets to feast upon the prize of Terra.
The 5th god with be created when the Imperium is destroyed, I'd imagine it would be the god of Destruction.
Slaanesh was created when Eldar "indulged in pleasure".
Khorne was created from rage and bloodthirst.
Nurgle from illness, so it kind of makes sense that at the destruction of a race the god of "Destruction" would be born.
Lord-Loss wrote:The god you speak of was erased from 40k fluff.
The 5th god with be created when the Imperium is destroyed, I'd imagine it would be the god of Destruction.
Slaanesh was created when Eldar "indulged in pleasure".
Khorne was created from rage and bloodthirst.
Nurgle from illness, so it kind of makes sense that at the destruction of a race the god of "Destruction" would be born.
wasn't nurgle created from the fear of death? The worshpers are usually ones who go to great lenghts to preserve themselves.
Was Tzeentch made from peoples' thirst for knowledge?
Lord-Loss wrote:The god you speak of was erased from 40k fluff.
The 5th god with be created when the Imperium is destroyed, I'd imagine it would be the god of Destruction.
Slaanesh was created when Eldar "indulged in pleasure".
Khorne was created from rage and bloodthirst.
Nurgle from illness, so it kind of makes sense that at the destruction of a race the god of "Destruction" would be born.
No, if the Imperium is destroyed, so is Chaos. Malal still exists, he hasn't been completely retconned. He still has a renegade chapter following him called the Sons of Malice.
Lord-Loss wrote:Its not just the Imperium that the chaos gods get there juice from, If the Imperium is destroyed there be weaked but still alive.
Not exactly,while your correct that it's not just "the Imperium" that fuels Chaos (the Chaos gods gain power from the pasions,hatreds,fears,etc from all humans),the actual destruction of the "Imperium" wouldn't weaken the Chaos gods,in fact the destruction of the imperium may have just the opposite affect,with the Imperium in ruins,humanities "lack of order" would more likely than not lead to much anger,frustration,panic,despair,thus making the "surviving humans ripe for Chaos picking.
Now,the destruction of humanity,would in fact weaken Chaos.
Lord-Loss wrote:Its not just the Imperium that the chaos gods get there juice from, If the Imperium is destroyed there be weaked but still alive.
Not exactly,while your correct that it's not just "the Imperium" that fuels Chaos (the Chaos gods gain power from the pasions,hatreds,fears,etc from all humans),the actual destruction of the "Imperium" wouldn't weaken the Chaos gods,in fact the destruction of the imperium may have just the opposite affect,with the Imperium in ruins,humanities "lack of order" would more likely than not lead to much anger,frustration,panic,despair,thus making the "surviving humans ripe for Chaos picking.
Now,the destruction of humanity,would in fact weaken Chaos.
Well I was thinking long term. I think everyone can agree that while some expiditions during long night might have gone pretty away from earth, nearly all the lost colonies must have been found.
So the destruction of the Imperium would basically be the end of humanity. Maybe the 5th chaos god would be of despair. Seeing a galatic empire crumble before you must be pretty horrible.
Lord-Loss wrote:Its not just the Imperium that the chaos gods get there juice from, If the Imperium is destroyed there be weaked but still alive.
Not exactly,while your correct that it's not just "the Imperium" that fuels Chaos (the Chaos gods gain power from the pasions,hatreds,fears,etc from all humans),the actual destruction of the "Imperium" wouldn't weaken the Chaos gods,in fact the destruction of the imperium may have just the opposite affect,with the Imperium in ruins,humanities "lack of order" would more likely than not lead to much anger,frustration,panic,despair,thus making the "surviving humans ripe for Chaos picking.
Now,the destruction of humanity,would in fact weaken Chaos.
Well I was thinking long term. I think everyone can agree that while some expiditions during long night might have gone pretty away from earth, nearly all the lost colonies must have been found.
So the destruction of the Imperium would basically be the end of humanity. Maybe the 5th chaos god would be of despair. Seeing a galatic empire crumble before you must be pretty horrible.
What I was getting at is that the Imperium,while representing most of humanity in the galaxy,is not in and of itself humanity,it's dogma and doctrines could be vaporized and the human race would continue,although obviously very fractured and disorginized.
So hypotheticly,if the Imperium was to be destroyed,the surviving humans would perhaps strenghten Chaos due to (as you said) the despair of having seen their empire whiped away.
Incedently,a 5th chaos god of despair wouldn't be necessary,Nurgle pretty much covers that aspect of human emotions.
courage, loyalty, honor, unity? All other positive emotions more or less are represented in chaos, just because Anarchy can = good, so would this be an order god?
sniperjolly wrote:courage, loyalty, honor, unity? All other positive emotions more or less are represented in chaos, just because Anarchy can = good, so would this be an order god?
That would actauly be an interesting concept to see,I meen who says every Chaos god has to be a blood thirsty plauge spewing pervert full of deciet and trickery,perhaps a "god" born of the frustrations of Imperial citizens over the opressive nature of their empire,yearning for true honor & courage....hhmm.
At the 2004 or 2005 (can't remember which) Gamesday in Baltimore, the guest speaker, Gav Thorpe, was basically asked this same question. He came right out and said that it would never really end as long as there were players. But if the galaxy did start to go down in flames, the "Good Guys" wouldn't win. This is a "gothic" setting, full of Grim Darkness, where hope is but a faint glimmer on the horizon, from which you are separated by a chasm of utter despair. Gav's line was something like "The good guys will lose but they're gonna be screaming and kicking their legs "Nooooooo" as the last nail is hammered into the coffin."
A Lictor... BLOR!!! wrote:At the 2004 or 2005 (can't remember which) Gamesday in Baltimore, the guest speaker, Gav Thorpe, was basically asked this same question. He came right out and said that it would never really end as long as there were players. But if the galaxy did start to go down in flames, the "Good Guys" wouldn't win. This is a "gothic" setting, full of Grim Darkness, where hope is but a faint glimmer on the horizon, from which you are separated by a chasm of utter despair. Gav's line was something like "The good guys will lose but they're gonna be screaming and kicking their legs "Nooooooo" as the last nail is hammered into the coffin."
Then we still have no idea who will win. There is no such thing as "good" in the 40k universe. There are factions who are evil and factions who are more evil. That's it.
A Lictor... BLOR!!! wrote:At the 2004 or 2005 (can't remember which) Gamesday in Baltimore, the guest speaker, Gav Thorpe, was basically asked this same question. He came right out and said that it would never really end as long as there were players. But if the galaxy did start to go down in flames, the "Good Guys" wouldn't win. This is a "gothic" setting, full of Grim Darkness, where hope is but a faint glimmer on the horizon, from which you are separated by a chasm of utter despair. Gav's line was something like "The good guys will lose but they're gonna be screaming and kicking their legs "Nooooooo" as the last nail is hammered into the coffin."
Then we still have no idea who will win. There is no such thing as "good" in the 40k universe. There are factions who are evil and factions who are more evil. That's it.
Or rather, just factions with varying views and opinions. Good/Evil is all in itself a matter of opinion. Neither one really exists in a definitive fashion because each side will always see itself as doing the right thing for their own people.
A Lictor... BLOR!!! wrote:At the 2004 or 2005 (can't remember which) Gamesday in Baltimore, the guest speaker, Gav Thorpe, was basically asked this same question. He came right out and said that it would never really end as long as there were players. But if the galaxy did start to go down in flames, the "Good Guys" wouldn't win. This is a "gothic" setting, full of Grim Darkness, where hope is but a faint glimmer on the horizon, from which you are separated by a chasm of utter despair. Gav's line was something like "The good guys will lose but they're gonna be screaming and kicking their legs "Nooooooo" as the last nail is hammered into the coffin."
Then we still have no idea who will win. There is no such thing as "good" in the 40k universe. There are factions who are evil and factions who are more evil. That's it.
Or rather, just factions with varying views and opinions. Good/Evil is all in itself a matter of opinion. Neither one really exists in a definitive fashion because each side will always see itself as doing the right thing for their own people.
Ah, I see we have very different views then. I believe that good/evil is not subjective. If it is, you cannot condemn anyone for anything no matter how heinous their crime is. For example, if I walk up and stab your entire family to death in front of your eyes because I thought it would be best for me, you would think me evil. But I would hold the opinion that it was good. So was the act evil, or good?
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well by the way GW keeps exploiting their fans and caitering to prepubescent kids with their mommy and dadies credit cards i would say AT-43?
@Deathbot-There was already a thread for this discussion but seeing as I'm already addressing this:
Your question fails to consider several important factors.
1)Time-What point of history or future did you do this?
2)Situation, Was it during a war or an action of war? Was it done to spare them unnecessary pain? Were they dying of radiation poisoning or did they catch the T-virus? 3)Society-What is societies stance on your actions? Did you break any laws with your actions?
If one can find a time in history, a situation that would be deemed acceptable, or a society that would at some point find these action acceptable then the point is made the the concept of good & evil is situational/subjective. A matter of personal or national perspective that is dependent upon the situation.
Your question also brings up the points of unnecessary demonization and the assuption of a moral judgement by the other person.
If from here you want to bring up the why do we have laws question, I would reply that laws are not written to legislate morality but are written for the needs of society.
That the reason murder is against the law is not so much a point of morality but a matter of keeping society functioning peacefully.
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@Fludit-Cool concept, that means I am an old one.
Your point does bring up the business model of a game reset and in this case GW views themselves as the old ones.
I truly believe that when the SM "flagship" stumbles with sales continue to drop, no matter how much advertising they get, that GW will reset the entire time line and game rather than allow another army to be their 40K flagship.
A Lictor... BLOR!!! wrote:At the 2004 or 2005 (can't remember which) Gamesday in Baltimore, the guest speaker, Gav Thorpe, was basically asked this same question. He came right out and said that it would never really end as long as there were players. But if the galaxy did start to go down in flames, the "Good Guys" wouldn't win. This is a "gothic" setting, full of Grim Darkness, where hope is but a faint glimmer on the horizon, from which you are separated by a chasm of utter despair. Gav's line was something like "The good guys will lose but they're gonna be screaming and kicking their legs "Nooooooo" as the last nail is hammered into the coffin."
Then we still have no idea who will win. There is no such thing as "good" in the 40k universe. There are factions who are evil and factions who are more evil. That's it.
Or rather, just factions with varying views and opinions. Good/Evil is all in itself a matter of opinion. Neither one really exists in a definitive fashion because each side will always see itself as doing the right thing for their own people.
WarmasterScott wrote:well in some of the fluff no emperor no chaos gods cause they're part of his dream/mind conjuration stuff.
No the Chaos gods existed way before the Emporer. The Chaos Gods have always existed in some form or another much like slaanesh before he was "created" by the Eldar.
They probaly existed since the begininng of time but without a consciouness for some time, thats what ive always though.
and the same thing has been said about the emperor(that he has always existed).. its all speculation. chaos needs things like the Eldar and humans period.. and no offense man with all the changes in history can you say for sure no this is how it is then say uh ah idk maybe.. well this is what I think lol I'm going from facts that have been written not what I feel. What we feel doesn't mount to a hill of beans. We're not the writers lol
Im sorry but your wrong. In Horus Rising, Horus tells Loken that the Emporer was born in Anatoly.
Lexicanum is great for fluff, its not entirely reliable though:http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Emperor
What is undisputed in all accounts, is that he was born to mortal parents many millennia ago.
The Emperor, much later in his life revealed that he was born in the eighth millennium BC, and his birthplace as Central Anatolia.
The Emperor is the collective reincarnation of all the Shamans, the psyker-like individuals who guided early mankind with their wisdom and prophetic powers. But even before the birth of the Emperor, as humanity grew and progressed, the warp began to become increasingly disturbed, and the shamans began to lose their ability to reincarnate - instead, upon dying their souls were being consumed by the creatures of the warp. Eventually the shamans, unable to reincarnate, would become extinct, and without the shamans to guide them, humanity would fall prey to Chaos. All the shamans of earth gathered to decide what must be done. In the end they decided to pool their energies by reincarnating in a single body. The thousands of shamans, as one, took poison, and as one, died. A year later the man who would become the Emperor was born. He would be immortal and so no longer need to reincarnate. As he grew older his powers began to manifest. Over many millennia, he travelled among mankind, using his ancient wisdom to help where he could.
Lord-Loss wrote:Im sorry but your wrong. In Horus Rising, Horus tells Loken that the Emporer was born in Anatoly.
Lexicanum is great for fluff, its not entirely reliable though:http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Emperor
What is undisputed in all accounts, is that he was born to mortal parents many millennia ago.
The Emperor, much later in his life revealed that he was born in the eighth millennium BC, and his birthplace as Central Anatolia.
The Emperor is the collective reincarnation of all the Shamans, the psyker-like individuals who guided early mankind with their wisdom and prophetic powers. But even before the birth of the Emperor, as humanity grew and progressed, the warp began to become increasingly disturbed, and the shamans began to lose their ability to reincarnate - instead, upon dying their souls were being consumed by the creatures of the warp. Eventually the shamans, unable to reincarnate, would become extinct, and without the shamans to guide them, humanity would fall prey to Chaos. All the shamans of earth gathered to decide what must be done. In the end they decided to pool their energies by reincarnating in a single body. The thousands of shamans, as one, took poison, and as one, died. A year later the man who would become the Emperor was born. He would be immortal and so no longer need to reincarnate. As he grew older his powers began to manifest. Over many millennia, he travelled among mankind, using his ancient wisdom to help where he could.
lol didn't I mention history had been tweaked numerous times? Kinda like the whole history of wolverine in Marvel, but at least your shoing facts that your using to base your arguement on other than this is what I believe, because I have heard that backstory as well as well as 3 others. The newest history was created more for the books etc. The Horus heresy line was written quite a bit later than the original game lol
I really need to find the stuff from WD and GW that I read bout the spawning of the warp. Cause its true directly the current incarnation emperor didn't make but he helps sustain the Warp as we know it now, but he is the Incarnation of those early psykers. Ill find it and post it for ya. Also regardless we chaos will win lol didnt mean for this to go so off topic. we killed their gods, their champions and in the end Chaos owns all!
cadia will fall as the hordes of demons all rip through, mankind will perish. with every chapter of space marines holding Terra but finally being overcome. demons will just rampage right into nids. tau will fall (not enough planets), eldar will fall (dying race and all), dark eldar will perish, the imperial gaurd will perish one world at a time.
i say demons and nids, forever fighting. oh and necrons. cause the nids hate the necrons and avoid them. so the necrons will just be like... wtf...
Ridcully wrote:Tau, obviously. It's only a matter of time before the water caste negotiators persuade Chaos and the 'Nids to join The Empire. I don't see how it could play out any other way.
I wonder what the ravenous hordes of chaos, nids and orks do when they're not out killing? lol nids running around the ship like rats, orks drinking and fighting, and chaos lords playing go fish lol
Well Slaanesh chaoslords are the Princes hump buddies.
Nurgle chaos lords are stinking up thier college dorm.
Tzeentch Chaoslords are on the school grounds playing chess.
khorne Lords of chaos are beating each other up.
Orks just shootin up da boyz.
Nids just go to the pantry and get a blueberry muffin.
Slaanesh isn't just sex lol he's excess lol He loves sex drugs and such lol Nurgle I suppose is just making diseases and cursing axe body spray lol Khorne your probably right.. just a bunch of bully tactics and purple nurples..
Nids chowing down like pot heads and I forgot necrons.. lol necrons sit like goth kids and stew in their own "evil" "I hate life" whine speeches.
WarmasterScott wrote:
Nids chowing down like pot heads and I forgot necrons.. lol necrons sit like goth kids and stew in their own "evil" "I hate life" whine speeches.
Ingh! Wrong!
You just described Dark Eldar. Except you forgot the drugs..and cutting themselves.
A necron would be that kid who sits in the corner of the room stareing into space thinking of different ways to destroy all life.
Dude all nids do is eat.. now i see why ur an emperor faithful lol and as far as necrons you describe the same nihilist attitude in a different way congrats!
I meant to correct you on necrons, not nids. My bad.
As far as I know, necronss don't act all emo. They are more kind of the queit souless library kid, who will stalk you, kill you and devour your soul. They're so quiet, you never see it coming...
No, he didn't describe the same attitude in a different way at all. You described angsty, pouty, and emotional goth kids. He described a sociopath who feels no emotion and wishes only to kill. Completely different.
FEAR ME MORTAL!!!
The Tau shall suffer death by tyranid rap/pwnage!
The Chaos gods shall wet their beds and cry themselves to sleep at night over memories of pwnage at the Emprahs hands!
The Orks shall play tic-tac-toe for all eternity and achieve nothing of worth!
The Eldar will break like fiddlesticks, and the Necrons shall be destroyed by Microsoft Vista!
And finnally the Dark Eldar will go through a stage and cut themselves EVEN MORE!
NO EVIL SHALL SURVIVE THE GAZE OF THE EMPRAH!!!!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Thanks for backing me up...heretic...
!dk angsty anti-socials tend to become your sociopaths, uh lets see columbine, Dahmer, Ed Gein.. could go on but no real need.. not to mention i was poking fun at a lame army so exaggeration is normally a way to do that but its ok if you didn't get that. I can really say your emprah is really much of the hero. He kinda blew it with Horus etc. Hypocrisy reigns supreme! The Imperium is just as bad as any other faction the people are just too stupid to get it.
...I can see now that that is no loyal SM as your avatar...TRAITOR!!!
The Imperium is the only hope for mankind! We must survive and fight the enemies of the imperium until that blessed day where the Emprah and Primarchs return and unleash abutt-whooping that this galaxy has NEVER seen before!!!
lol naw its good ol' abaddon.. whom I would like to smack for losing to Eldrad etc but hey then It would kinda end lame if it wasn't a struggle lol yea it would definately be a bad day for your enemies(us chaos included) if the primarchs assembled(and cooperated lol)..
Automatically Appended Next Post: hey wasn't abaddon and the beginning chaos marines kinda angsty too lol oh thats right they were and then they burned down the universe till Horus grew a semi concious lol If he had the stones to finish you too would be under our heel!
Abbadon: Let's us sally forth from the warp and strike at Terra!
CSM: uh..boss?
Abbadon: What?
CSM: There's a planet...in the way...
Abbadon: What?!? There wasn't a planet there before! This must have taken some kind of tactical geniu-CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!!!
lol we wouldn't have a game, fiction etc really if the bad guy won lol and he did till the writers wanted a climatic ending lol I mean really how many times does the bad guy win for long? Ah lets see nids, chaos etc have all but obliterated the imperium and gasp by some miracle pull it out their ass! lol
"Considering between the two books Mechanicum and Legion it was flat out said the Emperor planned to have humanity destroyed so the galaxy could keep going, I think it only makes sense."- herzeleid7213
lol gotta love the same topics in other places.. and sorry shadowbrand can't toss a vote to a slaanesh follower for warmaster.. Horus didn't suck he took on the best the Imperium had and whooped ass.. again with earlier statement they couldn't let him win cause without the emperor the Imperium had no one who could take Horus lol
lol never said he was right.. though it would be funny if you just said a gw employee was an idiot lol(hypothetically for you literals) I say this cause I am working in vid game design/modeling and there was a guest from pixar to show people tips on modeling. One girl who was working that day apparently didnt get the memo because when he came around and said hey you may wanna try this. she said" yea and who the hell do you think you are!" lol He replied" uh I'm the lead designer for Pixar.." lol so much strong insults flung on this forum..
Automatically Appended Next Post: and abaddon lost to the depleted Eldar and has never had as much success other than not dying lol
Automatically Appended Next Post: Though I agree we need more from the supposed primarchs.. we're getting more from random cultists lol
I dont see any reason that someone opinion is more valid then anyone elses cause they a GW employee.
It just means they work for GW. Now the fluff writters should know what there talking about but an average GW employee opinion is no more valid then mine or yours.
lol sorry it just reminded me of what happened the other day lol cause stuff like that can make or break my jobs. Though also on the other hand I'm not a huge fan of saying someone's an idiot or what not. I mean honestly if someone remembered all the fluff from when this great game was conceived either needs to get a life or become a fluff writer lol
WarmasterScott wrote:lol sorry it just reminded me of what happened the other day lol cause stuff like that can make or break my jobs. Though also on the other hand I'm not a huge fan of saying someone's an idiot or what not. I mean honestly if someone remembered all the fluff from when this great game was conceived either needs to get a life or become a fluff writer lol
I was never insulting anyone. Just saying Shadow could do a good job at leading the Legion. I'm sorry If i made someone mad, perhaps it was a lil too egotistical.
@Shadow: Coming from a worshipper of Slaneesh, I think it was quite modest.
@Warmaster: You sure as heck say lol alot. ...lol
On Topic: According to fluff, the galaxy is somewhat at a kind of draw. To the galactic west, Abbadon is failing to do crap in Cadia, to the north Ghaghzkull is being stopped by a one-eyed old dude, and to the east the nids are floundering about in the Octavian Empire. The south isn't even worth bothering about becuase the Tau are such small fries.
Lord-Loss wrote:I dont see any reason that someone opinion is more valid then anyone elses cause they a GW employee.
It just means they work for GW. Now the fluff writters should know what there talking about but an average GW employee opinion is no more valid then mine or yours.
Unless they have read every Games Workshop,Black Library and White Dwarf magizine.
..you don't have to be an employee to do that. besides, it's not like you can get a doctorate or anything in 'The School of Fluff'. Short of making crap up it's hard to be downright wrong with fluff. According to some fluff, orks will win. Occording to other fluff, nid's will win. And other fluff says chaos will win. And other fluff says eldar will win (sort of). The short story is that there is a vast amount of fluff, and no single 'correct' way to interperet it. (Of course, the EMPRAH WILL WIN!)
Ah, I kinda wish I could write actual fluff me and my friend had a Campaign that Shadowbrand went and set up his own camp on Cadia and broke through their blockade.
Of course now we have Terra where THE BEST loyalist defenses are. but hey? that's pretty good.
Loyalist's Ima coming for you...
But yea... wait Ghazzgull or w/e is losing? I thought he'd be doing even better then Abbadon considering Ork's a larger threat.
Shadowbrand: OH YEAH!
*vague shout of 'I DO COCAINE' in the backround*
Shadowbrand: We've slipped past Cadia! Now Terra is OURS for the TAKING!
*Ship exits warp outside Terra*
Shadowbrand: ...what? The maps say Terra should be right here! So what is this big lump of guns, all pointing right at us? This is like a thousand times WORSE than Cadia! For some to move all those guns..it must have taken some kind of tacticl geniu-
*The shout of CREEEEEEED was lost in the ensuing explosion*
One called Kharn a girly man on Skalathrax.
Shadowbrand survived that by hiding in a Tauntaun when it got cold.
The Other deep striked into a giant puddle of punch and drowned.
I loled at that, he's still sticky.
Man though... the Spa at Commorgh is the best!! have you seen their needle massage?
Oh my Avatar? It's from an Anime I've gotten into, I did a Fan art thing with them as personalities of the Chaos gods.
It also is just appropriate for a Slannesh worshiper
I think that It would eventually go down to orks, necrons, and nids because we don't know how many Necrons or nids there are (since necrons are all hybernating in planets and nids are constantly coming from other galexies) and orks are like plants in the way that when they die they let out a bunch of spores and if they find a good spot they grow more orks.
lol how am I ninjaed by you telling me stuff back that I already have said? I've always said on numerous topics there's a ton of fluff that can contradict. Are you trying to use your emperors dirty mind tricks again? lol Necrons, nids and chaos all thinking they own the universe but when there's nothing left to blow up but each other it will be a sad universe.. nids running from crons, crons chasing cause thats the only life left and chaos trying to manipulate robots and hive minded nids lol a practice in futility lol
LOL indeed!
But anyways...The Emperor wakes up from his nap on the toilet realizes that the newspaper is m36.4447 and bangs a sob. Hires the intergalactic mafia to assasinate every enemy leader and rules the galaxy as master of the mankind and crimelord of the milkyway.
Lord-Loss wrote:Herzeleid7213 Is obviously an idiot.
QFT
HORUS Planned on conquering the Imperium, but then, would always feel guilt for killing the Emperor and his brother Primarchs, and would eventually destroy humanity utterly. The resulting psychic shock from such a massacre would all but obliterate the Chaos Gods.
And Mechanicum was a dull, brain numbing, insult to literature.
And I do wonder though, what will really happen when the Golden Throne fails. Sure the Emperor will die, but he was never really mortal to begin with. He was, as Lord-Loss said, created from the collective psychic powers of every one of earth's shamans. And then he was born in the 8th Millennium BC. The likeliness of him dying from an injury in the span from -M8 to M31 when Horus put his blade into him is pretty freaking high, even as a psyker. Think about it. How likely could it be that he's died before and just ressurrected a day, a week, a year later, and spent the time between in the warp fighting daemons as he is now.
Could he just be waiting for something? Sure, we know the Golden Throne is failing, but could it be that the life preserving mechanisms are alll that's keeping him from reincarnating, on account that he can't die until it finally kicks out? Wouldn't that be ironic. By preserving him the Imperium would actually be screwing themselves over
Mixed around? The golden throne commissioned the building of the Emperor?
Naw, He did build the Golden Throne, or rather, design it. You're right on the ball. But perhaps he meant for it only sustain him for a shorter period, and then, when it was decided he was beyond saving, they would take him down and lay him to rest, thus allowing him to manifest once more. Maybe the Imperium misinterpreted this and has, through accident, actually made him a prisoner of the throne and by doing so, doomed themselves because he can no longer complete the cycle he would need to in order to ressurrect once more.
It's certainly a GRIMDARK enough scenario, so it could be possible
isnt there also the minor problem of the warp tunel he was working on when horus attacked? the one that resides behind (im going on memory here) the throne?
if i recal, when he went out to meet horus on the flagship the regent of terra took the seat on the throne and held the portal closed until the emporer was returned, upon which he truned to dust?
metallifan wrote:Mixed around? The golden throne commissioned the building of the Emperor?
Naw, He did build the Golden Throne, or rather, design it. You're right on the ball. But perhaps he meant for it only sustain him for a shorter period, and then, when it was decided he was beyond saving, they would take him down and lay him to rest, thus allowing him to manifest once more. Maybe the Imperium misinterpreted this and has, through accident, actually made him a prisoner of the throne and by doing so, doomed themselves because he can no longer complete the cycle he would need to in order to ressurrect once more.
It's certainly a GRIMDARK enough scenario, so it could be possible
I thought the golden throne was originally built to hijack into the webway.But didn't the emperor just tell Rogal Dorn to add a life support system.
The Webway was a more recent addition to the fluff. Something else GW just 'tossed in' to ruin the story because if the Empruh ever died, then bam. Game over. Watch, next edition the Feth-wads they hire that've been butchering fluff since 2nd or 3rd ed will claim that they found a way to fix the Throne and everyone lived happily ever after. -_-
Assuming he would reincarnate at an unknown time he could have constructed the throne to sustain so he could allow for the travel to stay open. Since he helps guide their ships if he didn't respawn if you will for decades he would leave the kids open for all sorts of bad days ahead. And of course keep the story/game going cause with no flagship sm, gw would be sad
Well, let's say the Emperor dies, than what? From what I can tell he doesn't give the orders anymore, his successors do. And if he dies, I doubt they'll let that information out. Or even if he does die and a new God is formed, it doesn't have to be a Chaos god.
Pretty much, the Eldar are doomed (duh), the Tau are doomed since they don't have warp technology to expand their empire at all, and only a few Vespid planets can survive since no one can attack a gas planet (Tau can barely survive there with their life suits for an hour). Necrons, Orks, Dark Eldar, and Nids will be all thats left if the Imperium dies. Necrons and Tyranids are trying to eat/kill all life, and they can't fight each other, so they can kill the orks and the Chaos. Dark Eldar are untouchable, and if only Necrons and Nids are left, they will both die since Nids can't eat Necron and if the Nids die, the Necrons have no more souls.
Than the Old Ones come back and repopulate the galaxy because they get bored without entertainment.
How would it end? Simple:
2010-Jerks Johnson Becomes CEO of GW 2010 1/2- Tau,DE,Eldar, Nids,Chaos,Guard and Daemons are ALL removed as official army lists.
2011-1000 New chapter codex's have been released. The GW hamsters are over-worked.
2012-Codex Angry Marines and Codex Flaming Loins released.
Dec.21,2012-World implodes due to GW's blatant stupidity.
The old ones the c'tan and chaos duked it out till they all died or took a rest, the same thing would happen with the current Races in 40k. Death, then the arrival of new people.
Nids. Tau are the only race to hold out their planets with minimum loss of life, and everything about Nids points out that the vast majority are still waiting out in the darkness. The Imperium wouldnt be able to withstand a wholesale Nid invasion, neither would the (dark) Eldar or Orks. Even the Tau would lose to sheer numbers eventually. Chaos might survive, but no one gives a damn because they would be next to powerless. And im guessing the Necrons would be absorbed before they awoke, or just overwhelmed. So yeah, Bugs for the win
Worst case scenario Necrons are gonna win -- closing the bridge between the Immaterium and the Material universe. They would then proceed destroying and consuming the living until the C'tan satiate their appetites (temporarily) and then enslave everything thats left -- leaving them in charge for all of eternity or until the Deceiver tricks the rest of the C'tan to destroy each other and leaving only him, or until they get greedy and kill everyone.
The other option (more favourable) is that Humanity wins hands down. The Emperor fights the Gods of Chaos and eventually His soul is recycled into a new form and He proceeds to lead Humanity into a new Golden Age. Having learned from the mistakes of His past life nothing like the Horus Heresy will happen again and He will lead the armies of Mankind to conquer the galaxy once and for all. Humanity will be good again and hey, who knows, maybe we'll even learn of something called progress! lol
@metalifan: What you're describing is almost exactly akin to what the game INQUISITOR says about it.
Some inquisitors believe that the Emprah is being held back by the Golden Throne, while others understand that if the Emperor were to die the entire Imperium would crumble. Whether he comes back or not, there will always be some who view him as an impostor.
Cor Angars wrote:I wonder what people think when they say the Tau would win... They control such a small space that Ultramar alone beats them in a territorial match.
They're obviously drunk when posting.
I think it's also hard to say who will win just yet. Never know when GW will see fit to throw another new race in the game.
Yeah, it's impossible to say who WILL win. But fairly easy to see who won't.
EF's Top 5 loser list.
1) Tau (please, you thought these guys could actually DO anything?)
2) Orks (playing tic-tac-toe and not much else thier entire lives)
3) Necrons (50 bucks that they'll go back and have ANOTHER milliena long nap)
4) Eldar (No amount of dickery is going to oull them outta the fire)
5) Dark Eldar (will be too busy tortuing puppies an kittens to do anything worthwhile)
Hmmm... Well, I mostly agree with your list, much as I hate to admit that the Eldar just don't have the manpower to stand up to the big bad universe. The only part I'd disagree with is the Necron Nap. They tend to go to sleep only when the galaxy is emptied of life, so I'd imagine that they'd be just waking up right now. And even then they wouldn't really lose... They'd just be sleeping peacefully.
Haha, I also agree with Faithful's list, but just like Shelgelah I don't think the Necrons will be put out of the race that easily, and like he said; they'd only be asleep.
I didn't say they would lose, I said they wouldn't win. They are on the loser list becuase sleeping through the most epic battles ever seen in the galaxy is pretty lame.
Even so, I doubt they would still be asleep. The Nids entering the galaxy in force would be the most life that the galaxy has seen in a good long time, which I think would wake up the Necrons.
Emperors Faithful wrote:2) Orks (playing tic-tac-toe and not much else thier entire lives.)
I think the orks have a far bigger chanse of winning then the eldar has because of their numbers.
Since the eldar is a dying race they will eventualy die off when the orks are still numerous.
Meh, 2nd is the 1st of the losers. Besides, what is even more degrading is that orks have the POTENTIAL to overwhelm the galaxy, but they will always continue to waste it amongst themselves.
Automatically Appended Next Post: @Shelegelah: My point was that despite waking up, the necrons are probably going to kill a few things, then decide it's nap AGAIN.
Necrons will anhillate Eldar.
Inquisition will fight Chaos till they run out of men/women.
IG and SM will run out of recruits.
The Ork and Tyranid hordes will meet and kill each other leaving the other races to will.
Tau will just sit there watching everyone die and Dark Eldar will just keep on sacrificing random races till they run out or get bored.
Actually, DE DO get bored with thier job. Souls being tortured in the same way get's tedious after a while. But their answer is not something different, it is a desire for MORE.
Nids overrun tera
emperor gets ripped to shreads along with everything else, or equally tau (or any other non-human race) would kill the emperor properly once they had control. as the emperor is the only thing stopping the chaos gods from turning the whole galaxy into a fat warpstorm and chaos destroying everything, then its inevitable that only mankind or chaos could win
metallifan wrote:So wait... That makes me an Inquisitor?
...
...
... I can haz Exterminatus privileges?
Yes you can Mister Metalia.But don't abuse it.
It's possible to abuse Exterminatus rights?
In all honesty, I think it'll just devolve into a Stalemate between Orks and Nids. I don't think there WILL be a winner until another race just comes along from across darkspace and decides to just blow up the whole Galaxy with a giant gun of FREEM
Yea I figure... Unknown amount of Nids that're still floating in Darkspace and attacking other Galaxies + unknown amount of Orks still scattered around Darkspace and attacking other Galaxies... Humanity = surrounded and outnumbered... And as much as I hope the Emperor gets up from his 10,000 year deuce on the Golden Throne, I don't think it would be a realistic scenario :(
So... yea. Orks and Nids would just probably start beating on eachother shot for shot and things would pretty much grind to a halt. Because Orkses can survive on Nid Ravaged worlds, the Nids would keep going back to worlds they already nommed to gather more Biomass. And the Orks would just fight them there until they overran the place, then they'd leave spores and in a decade or so, the Nids would be going back there again because more Orkses grew out of the ground.
well canning the whole thing. 
because even with all that spore epicness (I wish I could breed via spores) the 'Nids would eventually assimilate them.
EXPLOSION!!! 