Thought I'd start a new thread for those of us who have seen the book, rather then make people sift through the other rumor threads with old info.


I LOVE it! The wolves only lost a few things and gained a whole bunch.

HQ's.....you only have 1 mandatory HQ, but for every HQ slot you can take 2 choices! Still Wolf Lord, Wolf Priest, Rune Priest, and WGBL. No restrictions on the numbers, so you can have 4 Wolf Lords.

Logan Grimnar.....pretty much the same as before, with Eternal Warrior. If you take him Wolf Guards count as troops. A unit he joins can have either relentless, preferred enemy, tank hunters or something else.

Ragnar....any unit he joins gets D3 bonus attacks on the charge. He can howl once per game and all units nearby get Furious Charge.

Rune Priests......several lame powers....and then the good one. Draw a straight line, anything hit by it takes an Initiative test...if it fails...it is gone. Monstrous Creatures get +1 on the roll....but still.....

Wolf Priests.....did not get the narthecium, so no Feel No Pain. You get to reroll against tough monsters ( if I recall correctly).

Wolf Guard Packs are a separate choice. You can pick a WG to lead a squad, taken from this pack. You can kit them out however you want. They can have jetpacks or bikes! and Frostblades!

Arjac is an upgrade, think...Thor. He hits on 3's, rerolls to hit and to wounds ( I believe both) against monstrous creatures with a thunderhammer, which he can also throw at Str 10 AP1.

Blood claws still have Berserk Charge. You know, I did not look at their weapon options. Stupid me. Their stat line also did not change.

Grey Hunters have bolt pistol, ccw and bolter. No special charge rule. 1 can have a plasma pistol, one can have a power weapon or fist, and they can have 2 special weapons.

Wolf scouts have to roll for outflanking, but if they roll high enough, can pick which board edge they come on...any edge.

Bjorn the Fell handed....AV 13 on the front. If he dies, he counts as an objective or bonus KP's for the enemy ( if no SW models are in base with the wreck). But if he dies, all SW's are fearless.

The Trickster.....if he dies, a roll is made, if the SW wins, all models in btb with him are removed from the game. Hi Abaddon!

You can have Fenrisian wolf packs, they count as troops if you take Canis.

Thunderwolf cavalry...1-5, they upgrade your stats and give you rending, and you can mount most characters on them.

No Ironclad, but you get Redeemers.

Njal has some crazy powers, including negating psychic powers on a 3+. The Chooser of the Slain lets you put a marker on the board that doesn't allow infiltrating near it. Did I mention the psychic power removing a model that fails an Init test?

Did I mention Runic Weapons wounding Daemons on a 2+?

Sagas are nice, not over the top. Reroll morale tests, reroll to hits if the enemy is tough/monstrous etc.


So we did not get the Rending from Ragnar, Feel no Pain from the WP, no relentless on Long Fangs. The army did keep Counter Attack and Acute Senses. They keep Mark of the Wulfen, Wolf tooth necklaces, but lose runic charms. Wolf Guard can be kitted out as individuals, not as a squad. WGBL lost the heavy weapon.

The sprues rock...they did includ scout heads,which is nice.

Yay Wolves!

SO a list of questions for those who are going to see the book today:

1.) What is the max size for a BC squad?
2.) What are the weapon options for BCs?
3.) Can we get details on the Swiftclaws?
4.) Can someone confirm the Wolf Priest's special rules? Is it JUST preferred enemy? Or the one mentioned here (previously attributed to the Lone Wolf)
5.) Wolf Scouts are elite or troops?
6.) Can heavy weapon wolf guard terminators be given to individual squads like GH or BC?
7.) How many heavy weapons in a wolf guard squad?

Rune Priests......several lame powers....and then the good one. Draw a straight line, anything hit by it takes an Initiative test...if it fails...it is gone. Monstrous Creatures get +1 on the roll....but still.....

....... -_- Individual models, not entire units right? -.-
What happens with vehicles? How long is the line? Does it stop as soon as it hits something? Does it require LoS?

Njal has some crazy powers, including negating psychic powers on a 3+. The Chooser of the Slain lets you put a marker on the board that doesn't allow infiltrating near it. Did I mention the psychic power removing a model that fails an Init test?

Is it only psychic powers targetted at him specifically or what? Like, can he ignore fortune or just stop doom from affecting him?

1). Are Cyclones in?
2). Are Thralls/Servitors in?
3). What are the wargear options for the Iron Priest?
4). Can WG in PA still get Heavy Weapons, if so, what are the limits, if any?
5). What are the WGT limits on AC or Heavy Flamers (and Cyclones, if there), if any?

I only drooled over the book for about an hour, so this is off memory...

Yes Cyclones are in.

I didn't really look over Iron Priests...sorry.

WGT can have 1 heavy weapon per 5 WGTs, max squad size is 10.

BC's size is 15. I didn't think to look at their load out. Skyclaws are BC's with jump packs.

Wolf Scouts are elite.

Yes WGT can be sent to GH and BC and WS. The only prohibtion I remember seeing is no WGT to Wolf Scouts, so I would guess that yes you can stick an AC WGT in a GH or BC squad. Don't hold me to that....I'm going on memory.

cool thanx for the run down.

The loss of runic charm makes me cry, but everything else is gravy.

Thanks for the info, KG.

number9dream wrote:

Rune Priests......several lame powers....and then the good one. Draw a straight line, anything hit by it takes an Initiative test...if it fails...it is gone. Monstrous Creatures get +1 on the roll....but still.....

....... -_- Individual models, not entire units right? -.-
What happens with vehicles? How long is the line? Does it stop as soon as it hits something? Does it require LoS?

Njal has some crazy powers, including negating psychic powers on a 3+. The Chooser of the Slain lets you put a marker on the board that doesn't allow infiltrating near it. Did I mention the psychic power removing a model that fails an Init test?

Is it only psychic powers targetted at him specifically or what? Like, can he ignore fortune or just stop doom from affecting him?

Njal is dumb, its any psyker using a power within 24". In other words Passive powers can be ignored as well. Like embolden? Screw you 3+ gone. Veil of Tears? Ha! 3+ gone.

As for Jaws of the World Wolf its a line up to 24" and each model hit by this line needs a iniative test, in other words flank around a guard or ork army and you have yourself a day. Vehicles are unaffected but everything else is fair game, you could even snipe characters from how it reads.

What about the wolf riders unit? I want to hear the jokes about LOLcats silenced when I am licking the enemy's blood from my chops.

Ravenous D wrote:

number9dream wrote:

Rune Priests......several lame powers....and then the good one. Draw a straight line, anything hit by it takes an Initiative test...if it fails...it is gone. Monstrous Creatures get +1 on the roll....but still.....

....... -_- Individual models, not entire units right? -.-
What happens with vehicles? How long is the line? Does it stop as soon as it hits something? Does it require LoS?

Njal has some crazy powers, including negating psychic powers on a 3+. The Chooser of the Slain lets you put a marker on the board that doesn't allow infiltrating near it. Did I mention the psychic power removing a model that fails an Init test?

Is it only psychic powers targetted at him specifically or what? Like, can he ignore fortune or just stop doom from affecting him?

Njal is dumb, its any psyker using a power within 24". In other words Passive powers can be ignored as well. Like embolden? Screw you 3+ gone. Veil of Tears? Ha! 3+ gone.

As for Jaws of the World Wolf its a line up to 24" and each model hit by this line needs a iniative test, in other words flank around a guard or ork army and you have yourself a day. Vehicles are unaffected but everything else is fair game, you could even snipe characters from how it reads.

Unless it includes non-psychic powers, it won't affect embolden.

The Trickster.....if he dies, a roll is made, if the SW wins, all models in btb with him are removed from the game. Hi Abaddon!

is it just me, or does this seem horribly overpowered.

rush him into an expensive unit, they HAVE to pile in, of course they will kill whoever this fool is, and then boom, all dead? no invulnerable saves or anything?

Horst wrote:

The Trickster.....if he dies, a roll is made, if the SW wins, all models in btb with him are removed from the game. Hi Abaddon!

is it just me, or does this seem horribly overpowered.

rush him into an expensive unit, they HAVE to pile in, of course they will kill whoever this fool is, and then boom, all dead? no invulnerable saves or anything?

yea... shot him...

OR better yet.... have a chaos player lash him next to an expensive character, then kill the unit with oblits so he pops... and takes the char with him

I don't see the point of the giant wolves. The bikes already fill this roll and look cooler.

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Thanks Nada, those pics are much better than the ones from BOLS, and in English too. I will practice my howling.

Very cool pics - and I am liking the idea of a low model count, heavily customized army more and more ('cos, you know, its cheap (er)... )

Do we have any firm ideas on pts cost for basic troops?

"Rune Priests......several lame powers....and then the good one. Draw a straight line, anything hit by it takes an Initiative test...if it fails...it is gone. Monstrous Creatures get +1 on the roll....but still..... "


This is rediculously overpowered.

Totally random question but can SW still get bikers? I've got a Space Wolves biker pack I've heavily converted and I don't want to lose them!

Yup.


or should that be 'yip'...?

smart_alex wrote:"Rune Priests......several lame powers....and then the good one. Draw a straight line, anything hit by it takes an Initiative test...if it fails...it is gone. Monstrous Creatures get +1 on the roll....but still..... "


This is rediculously overpowered.

Does the +1 get added to the roll, or can a MC roll higher? In other words, does a I1 model like a Carnifex pass on a 1 or 2, or does it automatically fail? Either way, this completely screws over armies like Nidzilla lists. Add the exploding character and the thunderhammer throwing character to seal the deal. I'll reserve final judgement until I see the codex, but so far it sounds like cheese.

This is starting to sound exactly like every other codex release - it goes like this:

1. Rumours give way to facts as people start seeing the books.
2. People cry 'cheese!!!'
3. Book comes out, people see the actual points values and opinions on what units are cheesy changes.
4. First interwebz list is declared game breaking.
5. 1-2 months pass and the first interwebz list is debunked.
6. The real analysis begins...

It happened with Orks, SM and IG. Teh puppies are no different - have patience young padawans...

Isn't it a bit late to put out an anti-Nidzilla codex?

lord_blackfang wrote:Isn't it a bit late to put out an anti-Nidzilla codex?

QFT

unless in feb the new nid codex is a nidzilla buff......

new rumor, started here.

The 24" line insta pwn sounds op but I want to know if it is just a straight roll off or Roll + initiative. Man MC are kind of screwed even with the +1 if it is Roll + In.

Can't wait to see the book at the store soon!

Really gone for the whole Viking thing with the inclusion of "The Trickster" (presumably a nod to Loki from Norse mythology) haven't they?

All sounds a bit daft to me, but I shall wait and see the book for myself.

The sound you hear? Dark Angels players weeping at the fact that Logan Grimnar allows Terminator Troop Choices and will almost certainly rip the pants off the Deathwing and Belial.

...if you'll excuse me I need to go and weep in shame, where no one shall see me, and then start working on my new Space Wolves army.

Jon Garrett wrote:The sound you hear? Dark Angels players weeping at the fact that Logan Grimnar allows Terminator Troop Choices and will almost certainly rip the pants off the Deathwing and Belial.

...if you'll excuse me I need to go and weep in shame, where no one shall see me, and then start working on my new Space Wolves army.

Hmm, Deathwing as Counts as Space Wolves.

I like the Irony

Dark Angel players have been weeping since the release of Codex Space Marines.

Well, I've always wanted to do Wolves anyway...something about Dreadnaughts leading an army amuses me.

Which reminds me...apart from Bjorn can they still take Venerable Dreads as a HQ choices?

Jon Garrett wrote:Well, I've always wanted to do Wolves anyway...something about Dreadnaughts leading an army amuses me.

Which reminds me...apart from Bjorn can they still take Venerable Dreads as a HQ choices?

Yes, I would like to know as well. I would love to see a 7 Dread Wolf Army

Don't think so. Believe Bjorn is the only HQ dread option.

Redemption wrote:... but so far it sounds like cheese.

Frankly Space Puppies have always been in my eyes, so this newest round is completely unsurprising

Thanks for the run down KG, and the pics Nada! Also, I kinda dig how GW is basing everything around making 1 awesome wolf infantry box, and taking advantage of the swappable nature of all marine plastics. At first I was shocked at reading 44 (!) heads, but when you're kitting out scouts, assault marines & blood hunters from the same box, you need all the 'stache & beard-rocking heads you can get!

- Salvage

Be prepared to pay above the norm for those 44 heads.

Jon Garrett wrote:The sound you hear? Dark Angels players weeping at the fact that Logan Grimnar allows Terminator Troop Choices and will almost certainly rip the pants off the Deathwing and Belial.

...if you'll excuse me I need to go and weep in shame, where no one shall see me, and then start working on my new Space Wolves army.

I hope not. I'm hoping its more like the Warboss makes one unit of Nobs troops, otherwise GW just killed what little shread of uniquness the DA had.

Make a Dark Angels counts as Space Wolves army and have a counts as giant wolf rider but riding a giant 'Twilight' EMO. Paint the Loki guy up as Robert Smith from The Cure.

smart_alex wrote:"Rune Priests......several lame powers....and then the good one. Draw a straight line, anything hit by it takes an Initiative test...if it fails...it is gone. Monstrous Creatures get +1 on the roll....but still..... "


This is rediculously overpowered.

"+1 on the roll"? Attribute test are passed if you roll equal to or lower than the attribute in question ( pg.8 ). So adding one to the roll just makes the test more difficult. Unless the power has a caveat to the effect " a roll of naturall 1 is always a success", any MC`s with an Initiative of 1 are screwed.

EDIT: Actually no need. The basic rule already has that caveat. But still...anything with an Initiative 1 or 2 are in trouble.
EDIT 2: Should that actually be "-1"? Info on other sites is listing this ( more sane ) version.

Casper wrote:

Jon Garrett wrote:The sound you hear? Dark Angels players weeping at the fact that Logan Grimnar allows Terminator Troop Choices and will almost certainly rip the pants off the Deathwing and Belial.

...if you'll excuse me I need to go and weep in shame, where no one shall see me, and then start working on my new Space Wolves army.

I hope not. I'm hoping its more like the Warboss makes one unit of Nobs troops, otherwise GW just killed what little shread of uniquness the DA had.

Logan Grimnar allows you to field an entire Terminator army.

Flashman wrote:Dark Angel players have been weeping since the release of Codex Space Marines.

The price printed on the page with the pictures in the other thread was the same as a regular Tactical Squad box: 30, - Euro

Am I the only one who thinks the scouts look absolutely slowed with the bald&bearded heads?

puma713 wrote:

Logan Grimnar allows you to field an entire Terminator army.

*shakes with rage*

Hey look! Space Wolves are just like DA's now! YAY! And whats this? No preferred enemy for either army? Lets just all paint our armies the exact same color too!

I gotta say, I never really was interested in the space puppies, but some of these rules sound like they would be really cool for a heavily converted "Heroes of the Imperium!" type counts as army. I might end up picking this up just for a fun little "terminator your eyes out" force.

TBD wrote:

Flashman wrote:Dark Angel players have been weeping since the release of Codex Space Marines.

Am I the only one who thinks the scouts look absolutely slowed with the bald&bearded heads?

Yeah! How old are those guys?! Old enough to have earned a promotion to a tactical marine, I would think!

A-P wrote:

smart_alex wrote:"Rune Priests......several lame powers....and then the good one. Draw a straight line, anything hit by it takes an Initiative test...if it fails...it is gone. Monstrous Creatures get +1 on the roll....but still..... "


This is rediculously overpowered.

"+1 on the roll"? Attribute test are passed if you roll equal to or lower than the attribute in question ( pg.8 ). So adding one to the roll just makes the test more difficult. Unless the power has a caveat to the effect " a roll of naturall 1 is always a success", any MC`s with an Initiative of 1 are screwed.

EDIT: Actually no need. The basic rule already has that caveat. But still...anything with an Initiative 1 or 2 are in trouble.

Correct. Looks like we found our Anti Nidzilla/Ork list

I can just see in a couple of weeks tournament armys led by Naji and Logan with a bunch of WGBL's on bikes.

I think I may actually build a squad of Thousand Sons now. I'm wondering if Wolves' low model count will be their inevitable defeat.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I think I may actually build a squad of Thousand Sons now. I'm wondering if Wolves' low model count will be their inevitable defeat.

Good luck with that,since nearly everything in the SW codex's units are cheaper then your standard marine ones.

puma713 wrote:

TBD wrote:

Flashman wrote:Dark Angel players have been weeping since the release of Codex Space Marines.

Am I the only one who thinks the scouts look absolutely slowed with the bald&bearded heads?

Yeah! How old are those guys?! Old enough to have earned a promotion to a tactical marine, I would think!

I solved that problem by using typical marine models (helmetless) without the standard backpacks as the scouts ... IMO, more of a "lone wolf" recluse marine as opposed to looking like some partially initiated kid barely out of basic training.

Farmer wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I think I may actually build a squad of Thousand Sons now. I'm wondering if Wolves' low model count will be their inevitable defeat.

Good luck with that,since nearly everything in the SW codex's units are cheaper then your standard marine ones.

Really? They are CHEAPER in points cost than regular Marines? What do they lose for this? ATSKNF?

Mattlov wrote:

Farmer wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I think I may actually build a squad of Thousand Sons now. I'm wondering if Wolves' low model count will be their inevitable defeat.

Good luck with that,since nearly everything in the SW codex's units are cheaper then your standard marine ones.

Really? They are CHEAPER in points cost than regular Marines? What do they lose for this? ATSKNF?

No, they have that too.

Chimera_Calvin wrote:This is starting to sound exactly like every other codex release - it goes like this:

1. Rumours give way to facts as people start seeing the books.
2. People cry 'cheese!!!'
3. Book comes out, people see the actual points values and opinions on what units are cheesy changes.
4. First interwebz list is declared game breaking.
5. 1-2 months pass and the first interwebz list is debunked.
6. The real analysis begins...

It happened with Orks, SM and IG. Teh puppies are no different - have patience young padawans...

Except that both SM and IG are 2 of the top armies right now. (very closely behind eldar and tau)

So I would say the people calling cheese were in fact correct.

I can easily see this codex as becoming one of the best in game as GW will want to top the current SM codex so that people will buy it.

puma713 wrote:

TBD wrote:

Flashman wrote:Dark Angel players have been weeping since the release of Codex Space Marines.

Am I the only one who thinks the scouts look absolutely slowed with the bald&bearded heads?

Yeah! How old are those guys?! Old enough to have earned a promotion to a tactical marine, I would think!

Yea, those heads are terribad.

but Space Wolf scouts are veterens, not initiates like normal marines.

this is why they are WS4 BS4 with Operate Behind Enemy Lines and better weapon options than vanilla scouts.

Goddammit! Those Space Wolfs looked so great that I now am eger to begin Space Puppies.
Damn you GW!

Flashman wrote:Dark Angel players have been weeping since the release of Codex Dark Angels.

Fixed that for you.

Just saw the codex, wolf drop pods carry less men than marine ones, stupid inter codex inconsistancy.

No wait, I know why now!

Obviously Space Wolves are just so awesome and buff they need more room than the wimpy unawesome Codex Marines.

Few Things:

-4 Wolf Lords?! Why?! that should only really fit in in apoc' where they'd have a datasheet anyway!
-Are you sure that Logan allows WG Termies as troops cus thats sounds overpowered to me!
-And viking inspired or not, Trickster doesnt sound Space-wolf at all! I mean just look at the name!
-Are Ven Dreads still BS5?! Cus that'd really suck if they werent!

personally all this sounds really bad in terms of what I expect from the Space Wolves, but I'll definately have to check out the Codex rather than go on (accurate sounding) hearsay...

The Logan thing is definantly true.

Chickenlegs! wrote:-Are you sure that Logan allows WG Termies as troops cus thats sounds overpowered to me!

Considering this picture states "Wolf Guard are Troops in any army led by Logan Grimnar, making it possible to build an army of Space Wolves in terminator Armour", I'd say he's pretty sure.

Chickenlegs! wrote:Few Things:

-4 Wolf Lords?! Why?! that should only really fit in in apoc' where they'd have a datasheet anyway!
-Are you sure that Logan allows WG Termies as troops cus thats sounds overpowered to me!
-And viking inspired or not, Trickster doesnt sound Space-wolf at all! I mean just look at the name!
-Are Ven Dreads still BS5?! Cus that'd really suck if they werent!

personally all this sounds really bad in terms of what I expect from the Space Wolves, but I'll definately have to check out the Codex rather than go on (accurate sounding) hearsay...

Wow, 4 Wolf Lords and Wolf Guard Troops and you complain?

Wait, what am I saying, I am complaining too :(
I hope Phil Kelly didn't go too overboard :(

personally I was complaining because I care more for fluff and it staying true to the Space Wolves - which this new dex doesnt SOUND like its doin - so IMHO i dont see why they'd have 4 Lords in a small army?!

What makes me happy is that 'Nids are most probably next, and they'll have to be really beefed up to be better than SW!!

Chickenlegs! wrote:personally I was complaining because I care more for fluff and it staying true to the Space Wolves - which this new dex doesnt SOUND like its doin - so IMHO i dont see why they'd have 4 Lords in a small army?!

Because the Great Wolf Says so! And no-one is FORCING you to take 4 Lords.

Flashman wrote:Dark Angel players have been weeping since the release of Codex Dark Angels.

Fixed that for you.

The wording on the "new" Fury of the Ancients sounds iffy... at least you'll be able to take a cover save most of the time?

Wehrkind wrote:I gotta say, I never really was interested in the space puppies, but some of these rules sound like they would be really cool for a heavily converted "Heroes of the Imperium!" type counts as army. I might end up picking this up just for a fun little "terminator your eyes out" force.

I'll see your HotI and counter with a SpikeWing - loads of bashtastic chaos terminators led by a big bad terminator lord. Given the customizability of wolf guard, and how much fun the chaos termies are, it would actually be a pretty solid counts as project ............

*gets on that*

- Salvage

more options are better than less options, if you dont want to run 4 wolf lords thats fine, dont, but what if I want to run a "Battle for the title of Great Wolf" where 4 Wolf Lords are competing for fame to become the next Great Wolf after Logan passes?

Rune Priests are they like Librarians and have to make a Psychic test so you could at least get a psychic hood or runes of warding to try and stop their nasty power?

Sirius42 wrote:Just saw the codex, wolf drop pods carry less men than marine ones, stupid inter codex inconsistancy.

The Space Wolves reserve space in the drop pods for all the pelts and such. And booze. Also, many of them need to me drugged like B.A. Barracus from the A-Team.

if you dont want to run 4 wolf lords thats fine, dont

aaaah touche. I wont

Like usual, since it's me, my analysis is a little unusual. Things I noticed on my first pass with the book:

Why are wolf lords 4 attacks base? They don't come with a 4+ i save, but you can just give them the belt of russ.
Rune priests don't have a psychic hood. They do have stats similiar to librarians. That's gonna be a drawback people will miss.
Preferred enemy on a unit type of choice (infantry, vehicles, bikes, etc.) is much better than litanies. Like chaplains needed to be toned up?
Your 4 hq's need to be different. Unless you take special characters, some won't have i saves.
Logan is 275 points. Space wolves version of deathwing kinda expensive on the points.
Wolf guard: A terminator with storm bolter and frost blade clocks in at 43 points.
Wolf guard are cheaper than sergeants. Considering they can be used as sergeants, i'm very surprised.
Many of the equipment costs are cheaper than before...20 points for a power fist?

Grey hunters: This is a bit of a headache. You get an extra special weapon at 10, but then you can't add the wolfguard and still fit in a droppod or rhino. Nevertheless, 9+wolfguard will be popular:
9 grey hunters, at 15 a model. One plasma gun at 10 points (upgrading flamer), plasma pistol (which is a separate entry), power weapon or fist (at the reduced cost), the wolf guard's equipment, mark of the wulfen (1 model gets 1+d6 attacks and rending, doesn't stack with special weapons like power weapons, and space wolves banner (10 points, may reroll 1's in 1 turn of assault once a game). Add all that junk together and it's about the same cost as a tactical.
Tactical marine's advantage: heavy weapon access, combat tactics, teleport homers
Considering super true grit and counter attack, grey hunters are more comparable to chaos marines...except instead of 3 fists it's mark of the wulfen, fist, and wolfguard's fist.

Blood claws are the same point cost as grey hunters. THey still get +2 attacks on the charge.

THe new wolf unit in fast attack is like the space wolves version of death company with cavalry instead of jumppacks. Maybe my second impression will be different.

Oh attack bikes, you will be missed. BS 3 on bikes kinda sucks. They're blood claws though, so +2 attacks on the charge.

People are still not going to take long fangs. They haven't really changed, but can take 5 heavy weapons and a leader now.

People already mentioned missing land speeder storm (anyone even take that?), and ironclad.

Space wolves dreadnought can take some space wolves equipment. Fortunately they can't take the belt of russ or they would have the best walkers in the game...
I thought there would be some weird thing or drawbacks on the sagas. There are some recommended drawbacks called oaths, but they don't actually do anything. I sense eternal warrior being very popular. I like the 6" reroll morale or pinning. Not reroll failed, reroll morale or pinning.

Edit: Every internet rumor before last weekend was dead wrong. All of it. Looks like leak control was a success. You will now have to return to your local gaming store to receive correct rumors and be super excited when a preview copy shows up at a GW store. <sigh> I kinda liked getting things before that.

You do realize that Logan Grimnar himself is around 300 points. And Properly equipped Wolf Guard Terminators can run you around 300 points for 5 or 6.

All Terminator Space Wolf Armies will be fun, but when Deathwing is outnumbering you, you're boned.

You also realize that a Wolf Lord will run you at least 160+ points. It would be quite improbable that people will be running the 4 Wolf Lords armies either. Would you rather have a third Wolf Lord or a Predator.

If anything, Space Wolves are tracking like they always do, very expensive elite and HQ choices. It's the reason troops are cheap, it balances the army.

Besides, Grey Hunters are cheap is a misnomer. 150 points for ten guys and two flamers with ATSKNF, Acute Senses, and Counter Attack versus 180 points for Ten Marines and a sergeant, flamer, and free heavy with ATCKNF, Combat Tactics, and Combat Squads seems reasonable.

Does the new storm power grant Obscured to vehicles?

You can't take 4 wolf lords.

Grey hunters are cheap. I might remind you they have bolter bolt pistol close combat and that both their sergeants and their close combat weapons are cheaper than codex space marines.

Yes, the new storm power works on vehicles, but considering it's a 5+ cover, it's not all that great compared to real cover.

vehicles dont get "cover" they get obscured, it would have to specifically mention that vehicles get an obscure save for it to work, and then its a 4+ save.

Space wolves can't do a full bike army can they?? that would make me mad.

Grey Knight Luke wrote:Space wolves can't do a full bike army can they?? that would make me mad.

Blood Claw bikers [Fast Attack],
Logan Grimnar to take Wolf Guard bikers [Troops],
Lone Wolf bikers [Elites]? maybe? please?

looks like they might be able too, it depends on if Wolf Guard can be mounted on bikes as a general option.

Thx for the replies guys.

Someone on Warseer is saying that Lukas' ability affects everyone within 6" rather than base to base.

And is the ability a roll off for each separate model affected or is it a 4+?

To anyone who has seen the book; Do they have the vehicle information (cost and stats) in the book, or will I need to buy the SM Codex as well?

Mastiff wrote:To anyone who has seen the book; Do they have the vehicle information (cost and stats) in the book, or will I need to buy the SM Codex as well?

It's a stand alone book, like Dark Angels and Black Templar. No Codex: Space Marines required.

Demogerg wrote:

Grey Knight Luke wrote:Space wolves can't do a full bike army can they?? that would make me mad.

Blood Claw bikers [Fast Attack],
Logan Grimnar to take Wolf Guard bikers [Troops],
Lone Wolf bikers [Elites]? maybe? please?

looks like they might be able too, it depends on if Wolf Guard can be mounted on bikes as a general option.

Final F-U to DA's: Terminator Bikers that count as troops.

Lone wolves can't take bikes.
Since wolf guard can take bikes, yes Logan can make deathwing, ravenwing, or any combination of scoring bikes and terminators. No access to scoring attack bikes though.

davidson wrote:
The wording on the "new" Fury of the Ancients sounds iffy... at least you'll be able to take a cover save most of the time?

The first time I read that I saw 'furry', not 'fury'.

combatmedic wrote:

Demogerg wrote:

Grey Knight Luke wrote:Space wolves can't do a full bike army can they?? that would make me mad.

Blood Claw bikers [Fast Attack],
Logan Grimnar to take Wolf Guard bikers [Troops],
Lone Wolf bikers [Elites]? maybe? please?

looks like they might be able too, it depends on if Wolf Guard can be mounted on bikes as a general option.

Final F-U to DA's: Terminator Bikers that count as troops.

Models wearing TDA can never ride bikes.


however, I do like being able to compete on the deathwing/ravenwing front using Logan, its just plain lol

Demogerg wrote:
Models wearing TDA can never ride bikes.


however, I do like being able to compete on the deathwing/ravenwing front using Logan, its just plain lol

If there is a way to screw over the DA and BA player, GW will find a way, fluff or current rules be damned.

Bitter, safari of one, your adventure is about to begin. Please approach the elephant.

So now SW are the most powerful psykers in the universe? That'll be great for my SW army, but it makes my eldar look kind of slowed, since they're supposed to be the best psykers.

DruidODurham wrote:So now SW are the most powerful psykers in the universe? That'll be great for my SW army, but it makes my eldar look kind of slowed, since they're supposed to be the best psykers.

Actually, Daemons are the best. So good they never have Perils of the Warp.

Platuan4th wrote:

Mastiff wrote:To anyone who has seen the book; Do they have the vehicle information (cost and stats) in the book, or will I need to buy the SM Codex as well?

It's a stand alone book, like Dark Angels and Black Templar. No Codex: Space Marines required.

Faaaaantastic. Thanks!

Daemons are the Perils in the Warp. I like how yet another codex has been given a 'screw daemons' toy...

So this thread is confirmed stuff out of the book then? I read the other thread stating that we did not get Redeemers, but this one says we do. I really am hoping we get to keep it since I had mine pro-painted and will hate to have to butcher the sponsons to make it WYSIWYG, or call the Flamestorms counts-as Lascannons.

EDIT:

Kinda glad the assault variant LR was debunked. I would have HAD to get one, but could only imagine the hate it would bring me when I fielded it.

Boss_Salvage wrote:

Wehrkind wrote:I gotta say, I never really was interested in the space puppies, but some of these rules sound like they would be really cool for a heavily converted "Heroes of the Imperium!" type counts as army. I might end up picking this up just for a fun little "terminator your eyes out" force.

I'll see your HotI and counter with a SpikeWing - loads of bashtastic chaos terminators led by a big bad terminator lord. Given the customizability of wolf guard, and how much fun the chaos termies are, it would actually be a pretty solid counts as project ............

*gets on that*

- Salvage

Damn... that's a good point. Maybe my Mega Word Bearers will need to do double duty... Oh, the pain of loving terminator models above all else!

You know that these pups are overpowered when you see them play against a green tide for the 1st time.

If 40 or so blood claws can tear through 180 boyz you know theres a problem



However, this may be the time to bring my khorne daemons back onto the table.
Since most models dont seem to have eternal warrior, and thier armour means nothing anyway to a bloodletter.

JD21290 wrote:You know that these pups are overpowered when you see them play against a green tide for the 1st time.

If 40 or so blood claws can tear through 180 boyz you know theres a problem

Actually, even if the Blood Claws get the charge, those two groups kill about the same number of models each. If the Boyz were to get the charge, they do even better... So, it's not that "tearing through."

Besides, Space Wolves are supposed to be the anti-Ork army. They're reining da Boyz back in. As has been said, SW look to be a refreshing change for the meta-game.

JD21290 wrote:
However, this may be the time to bring my khorne daemons back onto the table.
Since most models dont seem to have eternal warrior, and thier armour means nothing anyway to a bloodletter.

Good luck with that *sits in cover with blood claws*

Depending on the cost of the Skyclaws, as well as their options, they may be preferable to blood claw units. I'll probably keep one in an LRC just to spring on some poor sap. though who knows? Maybe that LRC will hold some termies instead.

So four HQ heroes around 200 points each and a bunch of terminator troops. Twenty or so models for 1750 points makes Space Wolves the most inexpensive army going eh?

You don't have to max on hq's or take expensive heroes. The perfectly cheap ones are fine.

Skyclaws are 18 points per model.

The land raider redeemer is in the codex. Except for dreadnoughts, the vehicles are mostly copy paste from the space marine codex.
The dreadnought's point vaules are the same, but they can also take a couple of space wolf wargear. Whirlwind, vindi, landspeedrs, none of it is different.

Poor poor dark angels...

Any confirmation on weapon option costs for Long Fangs? I heard heavy bolters were very cheap, and I'm imagining a firebase of 5 heavy bolters.

Moopy wrote:I don't see the point of the giant wolves. The bikes already fill this roll and look cooler.

Actually there are significant tactical differences between move 12 assault 6 (or turbo boost) and move 6 fleet d6 and assault 12. Assault 12 provides a serious area of threat. Lord knows how many times after the shooting phase I wish my assault unit could assault 7 inches instead of 6.

Run #2 is happening in half an hour.
Get your questions ready...

scuddman wrote:Run #2 is happening in half an hour.
Get your questions ready...

Can you look at the Long Fang points and options please!

And a Scanner!

I joke of course!

Drop Pod Options please! Is the All or Nothing thing real?

1:Whats the wargear ops for the dreads?

2:How many spec ccws for BCs?

3:base HQ stats & costs

4:do BCs get a wulfen?

5:What exactly do Wolf Priests do? Keep getting vague answers.

6:Lone Wolves?

7:Rhino cost

8:Sagas and Oaths

Space Wolves: The Mary Sue Chapter.

Damn from what I read the Space Wolves have some pretty crazy units... time to roll out my AP2 Demolishers

Can I get someone to confirm how many attack bikes can be in a bike squad, and how many total bikes cna be in a bike squad?

Do BCs (and therefore Swift and Sky Claws) have that rule where they MUST charge if within 6"?

Mattlov wrote:

Farmer wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I think I may actually build a squad of Thousand Sons now. I'm wondering if Wolves' low model count will be their inevitable defeat.

Good luck with that,since nearly everything in the SW codex's units are cheaper then your standard marine ones.

Really? They are CHEAPER in points cost than regular Marines? What do they lose for this? ATSKNF?

Combat tactics - of arguable benefit when we get counter attack I admit.

Combat squads.

Are you going to argue that combat squads aren't fantastic and that they're loss is a big tactical drawback for wolf players? Because that would be silly.


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puma713 wrote:

TBD wrote:

Flashman wrote:Dark Angel players have been weeping since the release of Codex Space Marines.

Am I the only one who thinks the scouts look absolutely slowed with the bald&bearded heads?

Yeah! How old are those guys?! Old enough to have earned a promotion to a tactical marine, I would think!

In space marines the progression is scout - tac (seconded to bikes, devvy, assault) - vet - termie

In space wolves the progression is blood claw pack (seconded to skyclaw and swiftclaw) - grey hunter or scout - long fang or wolf guard or lone wolf

Space wolf scouts aren't the newbs, they lack the cohesive sense of pack identity of most space wolves and are regarded as loners and a bit weird. They therefore get sent on special ops missions deep behind enemy lines. That's why they have the Operating Behind Enemy Lines rule.


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Chickenlegs! wrote:Few Things:

-4 Wolf Lords?! Why?! that should only really fit in in apoc' where they'd have a datasheet anyway!
-Are you sure that Logan allows WG Termies as troops cus thats sounds overpowered to me!
-And viking inspired or not, Trickster doesnt sound Space-wolf at all! I mean just look at the name!
-Are Ven Dreads still BS5?! Cus that'd really suck if they werent!

personally all this sounds really bad in terms of what I expect from the Space Wolves, but I'll definately have to check out the Codex rather than go on (accurate sounding) hearsay...

4 wolf lords is silly but will be pts prohibitive in anything but a larger game anyway. Don't worry about it.

Termies as troops is fun and hardly overpowered. Do you see Deathwing ripping up tournament tables?

He is based on a loki, a viking god. How is that not wolfy?

They have the same statline as the C:SM vennies.

Do the SW scouts get the new land speeder?

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:
In space marines the progression is scout - tac (seconded to bikes, devvy, assault) - vet - termie

They altered it (so far as I recall) in the current codex, to be scout>Devastator>Assault>Tactical>Vet (Stern, Van, or Termie)

Jack

Jackmojo has it right. Of course remember that even in Codex Chapters Marines will usually drift to where they excel (For example, Scout Sergeants are full marines, they obviously are good at being sneaky bastards )

Not quite so sure a SW Terminator army is going to really be all that.

Logan is 2x +15 cost of Belial, 5 WG Terms with TH/SS is rumored to be 315pts, SW Termies cannot DS in so would need to either start on foot, in an LR variant or drop pod in which is going to add even more points.

I'm guessing 2k points worth of Loganwing is going to amount to roughly 25 WG and Logan, in which case nothing is DS'ing in so 26 models starting on the board. Daemons and DW would murder that army by the end of turn 1. 2 Executioners would destroy that army in 2 turns and that doesn't count the rest of the IG army.

40 Thunderstorm Terms, Belial and a Dread for the same amount of points. DA DW vs Loganwing. My money is on the DW EVERY SINGLE TIME.

I must admit I'm sort of feeling the itch to start SW (damn fleas).

*Edited. Rumored points costs I realize is 63pts for WG Terms with TH/SS. So I think DW is safe.

The biker squadrons are able to be 10 strong plus 1 attack bike. The attack bike is discounted due to being WS3/BS3. The bikers all have CCW/BP which means 4 attacks on the charge for 25 points. 1 PW or PF.

PW and PF upgrades for BC's and GH's are the same cost as sergeant upgrades in the SM Codex. Which is a little high in my opinion but meh. I probably won't be fielding standard bloodclaws since for 3 points I can give them jump packs

Oh and the headstrong rule is removed if the BC squads are led by Wolf Guard. Basically they are good since their teacher is watching according to the codex.

Just a couple heads up

Do jump bloodclaws score?

nope, they are fast attack

I'm glad I made a second pass at the book, there's a bunch of things I missed the first time or was wrong about.

Long fangs are 15 points per model and are leadership 9. Heavy bolters are 5 points, missiles 10, plasma 20, lascannons 25

Venerable dreads can take saga of majesty (reroll failed morale if unit within 6")
Dreads and ven dreads can take wolftail talisman (mulifies psychic power targetting model on 5+_ and wolftooth necklace (hit on 3+ in hth)

Wolf lords, rune priests, and their version of the chaplain are all base 100 points. Their equipment options vary quite a bit.

Bc's may have a wolf guard. They are very similar to grey hunters in this regard.

Wolf priests have a different rule where you pick a unit type(such as infantry or bikes) at the start of the game. THe unit he is joined with and himself gain preferred enemy towards that unit. Everything else is the exact same as chaplains but has different names.

Rhinos, like vindi's and speeders are exactly the same as space marines.

One attack bike per bike squad.

All blood claw units, whether bikes, jump packs, or whatever, have headstrong as a rule. If an enemy unit in your SHOOTING phase is within 6", you may not shoot and must charge in the assault phase.

No land speeder storm

Mark of the wulfen just gives d6+1 attacks to one model. It does not give rending .

Drop pods still ahve the droppod assault rules, so half of the pods must show up first turn.

A rune priests runic weapon doubles as a special kind of psychic hood. 24" range like hood, but on a 4+ power fails.

The initiative test psychic power is specified as a shooting psychic power...implies you would get cover saves. Monstrous creatures subtract 1 to their roll, but a 6 always fails.

Sagas:
Bear: eternal warrior. Funny, only the wolf lord can take this saga, and all the normal characters can only take one saga
Majesty: Unit within 6" may reroll failed morale tests.
Hunter: Character has outflank and stealth. Wolfpriest only
Warriorborn: # models killed in last assault phase give a bonus attack in this assault phase for every model killed last assault phase.
Beastslayer: Reroll hth hits vs. walkers, monstrous creatures, or things with toughness 5 or higher.
Ironwolf:: Character in vehicle moves extra d3"

If it truly is 58 or 63 points for a hammer/shield wolf guard, wouldn't it be better to just get 2 power sword/storm bolter terminators for 66 points (going off rumored costs). At twice the price of a marine, but having terminator armor, power sword, and storm bolter, a list with mass amounts of terminators could be good.

Thanks for the great info!

For the Cheap points cost I am definitely gonna run a Pack of Long Fangs, I don't care if they are deemed viable.

why? why can't they give each SM chapt something cool and thats it. Why do they have to give the flippin SW everything!!! Do they want everything to be just another form of vanilla? lame

But they didn't give space wolves everything. Including the psychic powers, most things are 24" range or less. The only models that can take heavy are long fangs, dreads, cyclone termies, and speeders.

The whole army has a distinct lack of range. Blood claws are +2 attacks on the charge, grey hunters have super grit, the whole army has counter attack...but the army lacks if you get 25" away.

scuddman wrote:But they didn't give space wolves everything. Including the psychic powers, most things are 24" range or less. The only models that can take heavy are long fangs, dreads, cyclone termies, and speeders.

The whole army has a distinct lack of range. Blood claws are +2 attacks on the charge, grey hunters have super grit, the whole army has counter attack...but the army lacks if you get 25" away.

The Dark Reaper exarch smiled as he noticed the Space Wolves cresting the ridge. He lifted his reaper launcher to the incoming superhumans and gave his squad the order to fire.

puma713 wrote:
The Dark Reaper exarch smiled as he noticed the Space Wolves cresting the ridge. He lifted his reaper launcher to the incoming superhumans and gave his squad the order to fire.

Just then a drop pod slammed down in front of the Dark Reapers disgorging it's passengers. The arrogant smile instantly left the face of the exarch as the Grey Hunters unloaded plasma and bolter fire into his troops.

BDJV wrote:

puma713 wrote:
The Dark Reaper exarch smiled as he noticed the Space Wolves cresting the ridge. He lifted his reaper launcher to the incoming superhumans and gave his squad the order to fire.

Just then a drop pod slammed down in front of the Dark Reapers disgorging it's passengers. The arrogant smile instantly left the face of the exarch as the Grey Hunters unloaded plasma and bolter fire into his troops.

Then suddenly...

Earthshakers!

Vaktathi wrote:

BDJV wrote:

puma713 wrote:
The Dark Reaper exarch smiled as he noticed the Space Wolves cresting the ridge. He lifted his reaper launcher to the incoming superhumans and gave his squad the order to fire.

Just then a drop pod slammed down in front of the Dark Reapers disgorging it's passengers. The arrogant smile instantly left the face of the exarch as the Grey Hunters unloaded plasma and bolter fire into his troops.

Then suddenly...

Earthshakers!

The Dark Reaper's eyes widened in Terror. Earthshaker Cannons? Impossible! They had the area secure for miles around. It would take some kind of Tactical Genius to....



CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!

CREEEEEED!

It's almost like space wolves were designed for drop pods. The short range, the extra special weapons, the hth abilities, counter charge. Looks like wolves love the droppod.

scuddman wrote:It's almost like space wolves were designed for drop pods. The short range, the extra special weapons, the hth abilities, counter charge. Looks like wolves love the droppod.

Thats probably why they put a drop pod in the battleforce?

Space Wolves have ALWAYS been built for Drop Pods. In Fact IIRC Space Wolves were the first to have the Drop Pod Assault Rules in 3rd.

Gwar! wrote:Space Wolves have ALWAYS been built for Drop Pods. In Fact IIRC Space Wolves were the first to have the Drop Pod Assault Rules in 3rd.

it was a part of the vanilla marine codex in 3rd edition (which was released first in that edition). if you only took power armor marines, terminators, and dreads (also bikes per RAW IIRC but i believe it was later faq'ed) you could deep strike with imaginary drop pods (no models required or were even available at the time).

I HEAR THAT THERE IS NO MORE EXTERMINATOR!!!!

I hear that the rule with exclamation points is "One, or none."

I have also heard that the wolves can no longer take the tanks named for their primarch. Sort of wierd, really.

I've heard that instead of being able to field 13th Company Wulfen, we are instead supposed to field power armored marines riding on wolves?

What?

Gwar! wrote:

Vaktathi wrote:

BDJV wrote:

puma713 wrote:
The Dark Reaper exarch smiled as he noticed the Space Wolves cresting the ridge. He lifted his reaper launcher to the incoming superhumans and gave his squad the order to fire.

Just then a drop pod slammed down in front of the Dark Reapers disgorging it's passengers. The arrogant smile instantly left the face of the exarch as the Grey Hunters unloaded plasma and bolter fire into his troops.

Then suddenly...

Earthshakers!

The Dark Reaper's eyes widened in Terror. Earthshaker Cannons? Impossible! They had the area secure for miles around. It would take some kind of Tactical Genius to....



CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!

And then the Pan Fo were Reviled and all bowed before them PMSL.

On topic...

Why do I think that this army was made to combat the Ork???

radiohazard wrote:

And then the Pan Fo were Reviled and all bowed before them PMSL.

On topic...

Why do I think that this army was made to combat the Ork???

Well, that (maybe) and sell lots of models.

Though I really can't see them moving too many of the Marines on Wolves...

Alpharius wrote:Though I really can't see them moving too many of the Marines on Wolves...

Neither do I. Although if I've read correctly, you can take packs of Fenris wolves... I've always wanted to have a skirmish line of wolves racing ahead of my Rhinos.

mmmm from the sounds of things I'm actually quite liking the sound of the new codex now, most things being 24" or so sticks to the close quarters theme and makes Long Fangs a viable option...

Might stick to my previous - 1500pts - codex list of: Wolf Lord, Ven. Dread with MM(in drop pod), 28 Grey Hunters (10 in drop pod), 10 Blood Claws
and 3 Vindicators, still short range and with cheaper troops may be able to get some more goodies in... Happy Days! and I dont need to buy the Space Marine codex too! Doubley Happy Days!

Right... time for some more grey paint methinks...

and if you dont mind me asking, how did you guys manage 2 get a look at the new codex?

Chickenlegs! wrote:and if you dont mind me asking, how did you guys manage 2 get a look at the new codex?

Some stores get their Advance Store Copies Earlier than others.

Some stores get their Advance Store Copies Earlier than others.

cool, cheers, although I sincerely doubt mine does... I'll just sit in the store reading it 4 several hours wen it comes out

Someone please tell us how many power fists/swords Blood Claws will be able to take.

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Hulksmash wrote:1

You go to hell. You go to hell and you die.

Scottywan82 wrote:

Hulksmash wrote:1

You go to hell. You go to hell and you die.

I think me means 1 per model. Yes, that must be it.

-Rocks Slowly-

At least can we take Wolf Guard Leaders to put another PF on?

-Cries wanting his 4 Power Fist Squads back-

Hulksmash wrote:1

this makes me butthurt.

but having a dreadnought that is more survivable than an land raider seems like a fair trade.
and 18 point jump troopers
and 15 point grey hunters
and 15 point long fangs
and having Runepriests that actually do something (I have 4 runepriest models, havnt wanted to use them untill now!)



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Gwar! wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:

Hulksmash wrote:1

You go to hell. You go to hell and you die.

I think me means 1 per model. Yes, that must be it.

-Rocks Slowly-

At least can we take Wolf Guard Leaders to put another PF on?

-Cries wanting his 4 Power Fist Squads back-

its ok Gwar, we will make up for it with AWESOME (read: Bjorn, Njal, and Lukas)

I think it will be fun when Space Wolves can make better terminator armies than Dark Angels and get better psychic powers than Thousand Sons. Cause that's fluffy.

Demogerg wrote:

Gwar! wrote:-Cries wanting his 4 Power Fist Squads back-

its ok Gwar, we will make up for it with AWESOME (read: Bjorn, Njal, and Lukas)

Yup. It seems Lukas has already replaced CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!


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Abadabadoobaddon wrote:I think it will be fun when Space Wolves can make better terminator armies than Dark Angels and get better psychic powers than Thousand Sons. Cause that's fluffy.

Yeah, cause Space Wolves have Fearless Terminators that all Deep Strike and Lash of Submission.

Thousand sons don't get lash of submission.

Da Boss wrote:Thousand sons don't get lash of submission.

El Facepalm. Fine, they dont get Bolt of Change then!

Gwar! wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:

Hulksmash wrote:1

You go to hell. You go to hell and you die.

I think me means 1 per model. Yes, that must be it.

-Rocks Slowly-

At least can we take Wolf Guard Leaders to put another PF on?

-Cries wanting his 4 Power Fist Squads back-

Can't you put mark of the wulfen on the fist guy?

Nope, Mark of the Wulfen can't be used with any special weapons. I'm already converting 4 new models that will be "blade masters" for my army of robed close assault marines.

... so
Logan Grimnar > allow Wolf Guard as Troops.
Wolf Guard + JP +outflank + infiltrate + scoring
+ Skyclaws
+ drop pod assault rules
+ rending on Grey Hunter 1 model.

... are Space Wolves > Blood Angels ?

skipmcne wrote:... are Space Wolves > Blood Angels ?

When have they ever been worse?

I play DA [1 year] , Space Wolves [20 Years]
My only complaint
I just finished Making a Deathwing; AND NOW I NEED MORE TERMIES!!!

puma713 wrote:

Casper wrote:

Jon Garrett wrote:The sound you hear? Dark Angels players weeping at the fact that Logan Grimnar allows Terminator Troop Choices and will almost certainly rip the pants off the Deathwing and Belial.

...if you'll excuse me I need to go and weep in shame, where no one shall see me, and then start working on my new Space Wolves army.

I hope not. I'm hoping its more like the Warboss makes one unit of Nobs troops, otherwise GW just killed what little shread of uniquness the DA had.

Logan Grimnar allows you to field an entire Terminator army.

Thank the maker. I'm getting tired of using DA rules for my SW terminator army. It just made me feel so ..... dirty (and not in a good way, but more like a ewwwww gross/creepy way).

take care

After seeing all this gak (most balanced, some OTT) I think its about time they allow Dark Angels to ride Lions! and Ultramarines to ride Imperial Citizens!

That should balance things out.

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:I think it will be fun when Space Wolves can make better terminator armies than Dark Angels and get better psychic powers than Thousand Sons. Cause that's fluffy.

Well then you don't have to worry about it because WGT cost 50% more to field than DA termies equiped the same.

Gwar! wrote:

Hulksmash wrote:1

At least can we take Wolf Guard Leaders to put another PF on?

And give up a free second special weapon ...that is just Heresy...unless it is BC as at BS 3 they can't fire guns anyways...except for flamers ...but BC can't use flamers without a WG chaperone....

A wolfguard terminator is actually pretty cheap. Base 33, storm bolter powe weapon. For 43 points, you can have a storm bolter frost blade terminator. It's only stupidly expensive if you add on too many storm shields, but that should be since they can mix and match gear how they want.

Huh? I thought Base 33 was just for TDA (no weapons). I could use some more clarification.
*What is the cost for SB and PF?
*Dual Lightning Claws?
*TH and SS?

at 33 points they have a pw and sb. Cost of item depends on which weapon your replacing. 2 Wolf Claws is 48pts. TH/SS is I believe 58pts. and PF/SB is 43pts iirc.

It is kinda funny that a PA WG w/2 Wolf claws costs the same as a WG in terminator armor w/2 Wolf claws. All in all from what I saw it seems to be a very balanced list. There are only a few units I can't see myself taking. Things like the wolf packs, iron priests, and wolf riding SM's. But most of the stuff has a place

wyomingfox wrote:unless it is BC as at BS 3 they can't fire guns anyways...except for flamers ...but BC can't use flamers without a WG chaperone....

I thought Blood Claws can Fire if they are more than 6" away? Flamers are about 8" iirc.

Oh that is much better ...though I won't be fielding any TH/SS figs...maybe some SS/PW figs as they are simply there to take PW wounds anyways.

I so excite!

Just spend nearly a grand on IG just to need another for Wolves. Damn you, GW! You knew what you were doing...

Do we know if the storm shields are the same as the new SM ones? (gives 3+ invur for both shooting and CC attacks)

Would make me feel a little better...

Gwar! wrote:

wyomingfox wrote:unless it is BC as at BS 3 they can't fire guns anyways...except for flamers ...but BC can't use flamers without a WG chaperone....

I thought Blood Claws can Fire if they are more than 6" away? Flamers are about 8" iirc.

They are CC troops, so if you are close enough to flame you would hope you are close enough to assault...that and at 7-8" you won't be hitting that many enemy models with the flame template.

BC haven't changed stat wise yet they went up one point each, can't shoot and assault unless chaperoned, and lost thier multiple special CC weapons? Oh well, we have dirt cheap Sky Claws , cheap GH with 2 special weapons and super grit , and Njal seams like a great defensive buff .

wyomingfox wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

wyomingfox wrote:unless it is BC as at BS 3 they can't fire guns anyways...except for flamers ...but BC can't use flamers without a WG chaperone....

I thought Blood Claws can Fire if they are more than 6" away? Flamers are about 8" iirc.

They are CC troops, so if you are close enough to flame you would hope you are close enough to assault...that and at 7-8" you won't be hitting that many enemy models with the flame template.

BC haven't changed stat wise yet they went up one point each, can't shoot and assault unless chaperoned, and lost thier multiple special CC weapons? Oh well, we have dirt cheap Sky Claws , cheap GH with 2 special weapons and super grit , and Njal seams like a great defensive buff .

Lets be fair, Blood Claws were under-costed, especially with up to 4 Hidden Powerfists and +2 Attacks WHEN CHARGED AT.

I don't understand. Flamers are assualt weapons. What would keep BCs from using the flamer and assaulting? Did I overlook something new in the headstrong rule?

Yeah the wording of the rule is "If at the beginning of the shooting phase, the unit is within 6" of an enemy unit, they may not shoot".

Lame because they COULD shoot and still assault. So lame.

Ouch. That sucks. Thanks for the clarification. Might as well get remodelling my stuff then, these recent rumors seem reliable enough.

Scottywan82 wrote:Lame because they COULD shoot and still assault. So lame.

Meh, the lameness of it is overrated, since you ignore it if you have a Wolf Guard in the squad, and everyone took WG in BC squads before anyway.

The reduction in special weapons really hurts them, though; I'd have to peruse the book a good bit more, but I'm not sure I'd take them over GH given the change to special weapon allotment.

Gwar! wrote:

Da Boss wrote:Thousand sons don't get lash of submission.

El Facepalm. Fine, they dont get Bolt of Change then!

Not quite the same as Lash.
I rarely see armies built around dual Bolt of Change.
Space Wolves are flat out better at psychic defense and offense than Tzeentch.
Not suprising, considering some random chaplain is tougher than Typhus, Herald of Nurgle.
Stupid nonsense rules.

Hang on a mo. WGTs cost 43 pts with frostblade and storm bolter or 33 pts with PW and Storm Bolter?

IIRC a basic terminator squad costs 200 pts base plus heavy weapons. That's 40 pts per model. For only 3 pts more you get a terminator with a storm bolter and IIRC a +1 str PW.

I'd take the space wolf option any day. A str 5 PW is much better than a PF when it comes to killing MEQ or anything else for that matter. Ok so they can't take out tanks - doesn't matter when you have dreads with 2 TL AC and long fangs packin' heavy weapons.

Gwar! wrote:

wyomingfox wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

wyomingfox wrote:unless it is BC as at BS 3 they can't fire guns anyways...except for flamers ...but BC can't use flamers without a WG chaperone....

I thought Blood Claws can Fire if they are more than 6" away? Flamers are about 8" iirc.

They are CC troops, so if you are close enough to flame you would hope you are close enough to assault...that and at 7-8" you won't be hitting that many enemy models with the flame template.

BC haven't changed stat wise yet they went up one point each, can't shoot and assault unless chaperoned, and lost thier multiple special CC weapons? Oh well, we have dirt cheap Sky Claws , cheap GH with 2 special weapons and super grit , and Njal seams like a great defensive buff .

Lets be fair, Blood Claws were under-costed, especially with up to 4 Hidden Powerfists and +2 Attacks WHEN CHARGED AT.

We are talking about a 15 man blood claw squad at WS 3 and a 46 point Wolf Guard...that is 292 points...add in LRC so they actually see combat and we are up to 547 points (roughly a 1/3 of your army)...of course it is going to pawn what ever it slams into...it should! And...
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Did you just say FAIR! Them's casual gamers words . Maw, grab the rope...we gots us a hangin!

Hulksmash wrote:at 33 points they have a pw and sb. Cost of item depends on which weapon your replacing. 2 Wolf Claws is 48pts. TH/SS is I believe 58pts. and PF/SB is 43pts iirc.

It is kinda funny that a PA WG w/2 Wolf claws costs the same as a WG in terminator armor w/2 Wolf claws. All in all from what I saw it seems to be a very balanced list. There are only a few units I can't see myself taking. Things like the wolf packs, iron priests, and wolf riding SM's. But most of the stuff has a place

Fenrisian Wolves (8pts) – WS4 A4 Sv6+ Cavalry

... counts as screening fiends?

Why screen when you can mount up in rhinos and drop pods?

Honestly, I don't think they are that bad...if only I could get them to outflank...and if only Sky Claws weren't super cheap.

What is real hillarious is that they pawn hormies at the cheap.

wyomingfox wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

wyomingfox wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

wyomingfox wrote:unless it is BC as at BS 3 they can't fire guns anyways...except for flamers ...but BC can't use flamers without a WG chaperone....

I thought Blood Claws can Fire if they are more than 6" away? Flamers are about 8" iirc.

They are CC troops, so if you are close enough to flame you would hope you are close enough to assault...that and at 7-8" you won't be hitting that many enemy models with the flame template.

BC haven't changed stat wise yet they went up one point each, can't shoot and assault unless chaperoned, and lost thier multiple special CC weapons? Oh well, we have dirt cheap Sky Claws , cheap GH with 2 special weapons and super grit , and Njal seams like a great defensive buff .

Lets be fair, Blood Claws were under-costed, especially with up to 4 Hidden Powerfists and +2 Attacks WHEN CHARGED AT.

We are talking about a 15 man blood claw squad at WS 3 and a 46 point Wolf Guard...that is 292 points...add in LRC so they actually see combat and we are up to 547 points (roughly a 1/3 of your army)...of course it is going to pawn what ever it slams into...it should! And...
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Did you just say FAIR! Them's casual gamers words . Maw, grab the rope...we gots us a hangin!

That's why I think the downfall of the Space Wolf army will be cost and Initiative. Although I haven't heard anyone mention initiative yet, an entire squad armed with powerfists won't amount to a hill of beans if you're facing a full squad of genestealers/daemonettes/harlequins/maybe khorne berserkers that get to go before you anyway. And even if they don't strike down the Blood Claw unit, they're going to take most of them down - enough so that the Blood Claw unit doesn't get much of an attack back.

Take a daemonette squad backed by Skarbrand. Even if they -don't- get the charge (the Blood Claws pouring out of the LRC, for example), then the daemonettes will go first, with 45 attacks, with re-rolls and rending. Chances are, they'll kill most of the blood claws.

I'm not saying this is the way it would always play out - the blood claws may do really well or the daemonettes may do really poorly, but either way, "of course it is going to pawn what ever it slams into" for 547 points is not entirely accurate.

Quick Questions for those who have seen the book:
When you say 2 HQ/Slot, do you HAVE to take 2 HQs to fill the 1 Slot or is it like the Heralds where you can take up to 2 per slot?

Also what are the Minimum Squad Sizes for the Troops Choices? And are there any new troops choices?

scuddman wrote:I'm glad I made a second pass at the book, there's a bunch of things I missed the first time or was wrong about.

Long fangs are 15 points per model and are leadership 9. Heavy bolters are 5 points, missiles 10, plasma 20, lascannons 25

Venerable dreads can take saga of majesty (reroll failed morale if unit within 6"
Dreads and ven dreads can take wolftail talisman (mulifies psychic power targetting model on 5+_ and wolftooth necklace (hit on 3+ in hth)

Wolf lords, rune priests, and their version of the chaplain are all base 100 points. Their equipment options vary quite a bit.

Bc's may have a wolf guard. They are very similar to grey hunters in this regard.

Wolf priests have a different rule where you pick a unit type(such as infantry or bikes) at the start of the game. THe unit he is joined with and himself gain preferred enemy towards that unit. Everything else is the exact same as chaplains but has different names.

Rhinos, like vindi's and speeders are exactly the same as space marines.

One attack bike per bike squad.

All blood claw units, whether bikes, jump packs, or whatever, have headstrong as a rule. If an enemy unit in your SHOOTING phase is within 6", you may not shoot and must charge in the assault phase.

No land speeder storm

Mark of the wulfen just gives d6+1 attacks to one model. It does not give rending .

Drop pods still ahve the droppod assault rules, so half of the pods must show up first turn.

A rune priests runic weapon doubles as a special kind of psychic hood. 24" range like hood, but on a 4+ power fails.

The initiative test psychic power is specified as a shooting psychic power...implies you would get cover saves. Monstrous creatures subtract 1 to their roll, but a 6 always fails.

Sagas:
Bear: eternal warrior. Funny, only the wolf lord can take this saga, and all the normal characters can only take one saga
Majesty: Unit within 6" may reroll failed morale tests.
Hunter: Character has outflank and stealth. Wolfpriest only
Warriorborn: # models killed in last assault phase give a bonus attack in this assault phase for every model killed last assault phase.
Beastslayer: Reroll hth hits vs. walkers, monstrous creatures, or things with toughness 5 or higher.
Ironwolf:: Character in vehicle moves extra d3"

Those sagas.... I believe I'm rolling space wolves next >.>

My point was that the unit in question wasn't as cheap as it seams and that comparing a 560+ point unit's power to a typical unit that runs only 200 points or so is not very realistic.

In your comparison, the Blood Claws would likely get the charge as LRC are dead hard to kill and deamons and nids don't have good ranged weopons to shut AV 14 tanks down before hand. Also, the tank and blood claws would shoot some before attacking, thus whittling the numbers down a little. And many of your rending attacks would sadly be consolidated on a few PF wielding marines (don't need fists against deamons)...ooh forgot the flamer. So I would still place my odds on the BC super unit.

But again, we are talking about a 560+unit slamming into a significantly cheaper unit...so mehh. Odds are the SW opponent would be better off to outmaneuvering the huge points sink or throw a few expendable units away.

You do not have to take two hq's per slot. They just break the force org rules for no apparant reason...

YOu can take 5-10 grey hunters, 5-15 blood claws. Scouts are elites, so that's it for troops.

Although why you would only take 5 blood claws is beyond me.

wyomingfox wrote:My point was that the unit in question wasn't as cheap as it seams and that comparing a 560+ point unit's power to a typical unit that runs only 200 points or so is not very realistic.

In your comparison, the Blood Claws would likely get the charge as LRC are dead hard to kill and deamons and nids don't have good ranged weopons to shut AV 14 tanks down before hand. Also, the tank and blood claws would shoot some before attacking. And many of your rending attacks would sadly be consolidated on a few PF wielding marines (don't need fits against deamons)...ooh forgot the flamer. So I would still place my odds on the BC super unit.

But again, we are talking about a 560+unit slamming into a significantly cheaper unit...so mehh. Odds are your opponent would be better off simply out manuevering the huge points sink.

Demons have a hard time vs AV 14 as is. And yeah, nids WILL have to assault the LRC to down it, its their only anti-tank lol

Smashotron wrote:After seeing all this gak (most balanced, some OTT) I think its about time they allow Dark Angels to ride Lions! and Ultramarines to ride Imperial Citizens!

That should balance things out.

Quoted!

wyomingfox wrote:My point was that the unit in question wasn't as cheap as it seams and that comparing a 560+ point unit's power to a typical unit that runs only 200 points or so is not very realistic.

In your comparison, the Blood Claws would likely get the charge as LRC are dead hard to kill and deamons and nids don't have good ranged weopons to shut AV 14 tanks down before hand. Also, the tank and blood claws would shoot some before attacking, thus whittling the numbers down a little. And many of your rending attacks would sadly be consolidated on a few PF wielding marines (don't need fists against deamons)...ooh forgot the flamer. So I would still place my odds on the BC super unit.

But again, we are talking about a 560+unit slamming into a significantly cheaper unit...so mehh. Odds are the SW opponent would be better off to outmaneuvering the huge points sink or throw a few expendable units away.

The tank, yes, but the unit wouldn't be able to shoot, correct? You need to be greater than 6" away to shoot with Blood Claws (according to the rumors) and if you're beyond 6", you're not assaulting. So, you can shoot all you like, but the daemonettes will get the charge and, therefore, get 60 attacks instead of 45.

But yes, I get your point. A squad of daemonettes is 220, with 15, Transfixing Gaze and Instrument. Two of those are still cheaper than what was proposed.


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Zid wrote:

Demons have a hard time vs AV 14 as is.

Soul Grinders, Screamers, Daemon Princes, Greater Daemons. Not to mention easy glances with anything that has Breath or Bolts.

Zid wrote:

And yeah, nids WILL have to assault the LRC to down it, its their only anti-tank lol

Don't forget Zoanthropes, but yeah, they're more severely limited.

wyomingfox wrote:

What is real hillarious is that they pawn hormies at the cheap.

No joke. That gives me hope that maybe gaunts will be *gasp* costed properly in the new codex. I really like the wolf idea, though. I'm not sure what the unit size limitations on those are, but I'd sure like to give a SW swarm army a shot. That sounds pretty amazing. Hordes of wolves charging across the table backed up by a crapload of hardcore assault units (with characters in them, no doubt).

The SW characters have always been expensive. However it looks as though the SW have lost their huge supply of PF and plasma in exchange for some exotic unit choices.

I have no problem with that now that it seems the stupid "will not teleport" and "won't use jumppacks" rules are gone.

It also appears that except for the loss of the wolfen, perhaps compensated for by the wolf riders, you can make a close approximation of the 13th company using outflanking wolf guard.

Durandal wrote:The SW characters have always been expensive. However it looks as though the SW have lost their huge supply of PF and plasma in exchange for some exotic unit choices.

I have no problem with that now that it seems the stupid "will not teleport" and "won't use jumppacks" rules are gone.

It also appears that except for the loss of the wolfen, perhaps compensated for by the wolf riders, you can make a close approximation of the 13th company using outflanking wolf guard.

Aye. For 13th Company, a friend of mine is going to just use Grey Hunters for grey Slayers and Storm Claws, while he is going to use the Wulfen as Paranormally fast Beatsmen, counting as the Wolves or perhaps as Wolf Guard with Wolf Claws.

Gwar! wrote:

Durandal wrote:The SW characters have always been expensive. However it looks as though the SW have lost their huge supply of PF and plasma in exchange for some exotic unit choices.

I have no problem with that now that it seems the stupid "will not teleport" and "won't use jumppacks" rules are gone.

It also appears that except for the loss of the wolfen, perhaps compensated for by the wolf riders, you can make a close approximation of the 13th company using outflanking wolf guard.

Aye. For 13th Company, a friend of mine is going to just use Grey Hunters for grey Slayers and Storm Claws, while he is going to use the Wulfen as Paranormally fast Beatsmen, counting as the Wolves or perhaps as Wolf Guard with Wolf Claws.

And honestly, mounting larger scale (Terminator size) werewolves on 25 mm bases would be a great way to work Wulfen back in, at least theme wise while counting as the thunder-whatever riders. S5, T5, 2W, rending and cavalry rules sound perfect for fully afflicted wulf-kin...

Outside of the "Gate" psychic power, I don't think my old army is going to lose it's teeth under the new book. And Doggies as troops, whether or not they score? 8 Points each? I'm definitely excited...

(I was a pretty big 13th co. player as well so I share your friend's opinion...)

puma713 wrote:

scuddman wrote:But they didn't give space wolves everything. Including the psychic powers, most things are 24" range or less. The only models that can take heavy are long fangs, dreads, cyclone termies, and speeders.

The whole army has a distinct lack of range. Blood claws are +2 attacks on the charge, grey hunters have super grit, the whole army has counter attack...but the army lacks if you get 25" away.

The Dark Reaper exarch smiled as he noticed the Space Wolves cresting the ridge. He lifted his reaper launcher to the incoming superhumans and gave his squad the order to fire.

????

What about Space Wolf Whirlwinds, Predators, Razorbacks and Land Raiders?

Darknite wrote:What about Space Wolf Whirlwinds, Predators, Razorbacks and Land Raiders?

If you are taking them you are not taking Land Raider Crusaders, which means your Blood Claws are not inside Land Raiders Crusaders, which means you are not doing it right

Durandal wrote:The SW characters have always been expensive. However it looks as though the SW have lost their huge supply of PF and plasma in exchange for some exotic unit choices.

I have no problem with that now that it seems the stupid "will not teleport" and "won't use jumppacks" rules are gone.

It also appears that except for the loss of the wolfen, perhaps compensated for by the wolf riders, you can make a close approximation of the 13th company using outflanking wolf guard.

Okay, I've asked a few times and gotten conflicting answers. Can Space Wolf Terminators teleport?

I'm thinking i may have chosen the wrong side of the Dark Angels and Space Wolves feud....until the new Dark Angels codex comes out looks like we're gonna be in tough against the puppies.

Ciaphas-Cain wrote:I'm thinking i may have chosen the wrong side of the Dark Angels and Space Wolves feud....until the new Dark Angels codex comes out looks like we're gonna be in tough against the puppies.

Commence breath holding in T minus 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

Hey, are the Blood Feud Rules still there?

Can somebody give some more details on the various phychic powers? And also on the thunderhammer wielding Sp. Character?

Ok, questions for someone who has seen the codex:

Thunderwolf Riders (50pts): 4 attacks, 2 wounds, 5 toughness and strength, cavalry, rending on the charge, can take fist(10), hammer(15), etc. Squads of 1-5.

1) Do these guys get a 3+ armor save?
2) Are Frost Blades available (and at the PF cost of 10, above)?
3) Are they T5 or T4(5)?
4) What is their initiative? Can they get Furious Charge?
5) Do they have other wargear options per model?

These guys are starting to stand out in my mind as a possible Nob Biker type unit.

Lowinor wrote:Ok, questions for someone who has seen the codex:

Thunderwolf Riders (50pts): 4 attacks, 2 wounds, 5 toughness and strength, cavalry, rending on the charge, can take fist(10), hammer(15), etc. Squads of 1-5.

1) Do these guys get a 3+ armor save?
2) Are Frost Blades available (and at the PF cost of 10, above)?
3) Are they T5 or T4(5)?
4) What is their initiative? Can they get Furious Charge?
5) Do they have other wargear options per model?

These guys are starting to stand out in my mind as a possible Nob Biker type unit.

yea, it sucks that they have to give good stats to a unit that makes no sense fluff wise.

I might be converting something to represent them, depending on effectiveness.

So Long Fangs can split their fire. Is this a power that they've always had?

puma713 wrote:So Long Fangs can split their fire. Is this a power that they've always had?

Yes

Gwar! wrote:

puma713 wrote:So Long Fangs can split their fire. Is this a power that they've always had?

Yes

Interesting. Also interesting that they no longer have Lemans. I guess they fell out with the Imperial Guard.

puma713 wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

puma713 wrote:So Long Fangs can split their fire. Is this a power that they've always had?

Yes

Interesting. Also interesting that they no longer have Lemans. I guess they fell out with the Imperial Guard.

We have them, they are just so sneaky you can't see them!

Gwar! wrote:

puma713 wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

puma713 wrote:So Long Fangs can split their fire. Is this a power that they've always had?

Yes

Interesting. Also interesting that they no longer have Lemans. I guess they fell out with the Imperial Guard.

We have them, they are just so sneaky you can't see them!

that must have taken some kind of tactical genu----
CREEEEEEEEED

Durandal wrote:
I have no problem with that now that it seems the stupid "will not teleport" and "won't use jumppacks" rules are gone.

They still will not teleport and it was always just the Blood Claws and some of the Crazier Wolf Guard that would use Jump Packs.

Scottywan82 wrote:

Okay, I've asked a few times and gotten conflicting answers. Can Space Wolf Terminators teleport?

No they cannot they must use a drop pod for deep striking.

BrotherStynier wrote:No they cannot they must use a drop pod for deep striking.

Wolf... Guard... Terminators... That.... Can........ Drop Pod.........

Oh lawdy....

WGTs in Drop Pods???

This makes me smile.

Has this been confirmed?

radiohazard wrote:WGTs in Drop Pods???

This makes me smile.

Has this been confirmed?

If you're asking about the inclusion of drop pods, yes. So has the LRC and the Redeemer.

I can't quote because I'm on my phone grrrrr!!!

I wanted to know if WGTs could take Drop Pods.

radiohazard wrote:I can't quote because I'm on my phone grrrrr!!!

I wanted to know if WGTs could take Drop Pods.

I know that Drop pods can hold 10 Space Wolves or 5 Terminators. Dunno if that answers your question. Also not sure about the ruling that if you drop pod assault, you must do it with all of your units either, but that's the rumor.

That's a bit OTT if WGTs can have drop pods. All of a sudden the SWs are getting a better codex than the SMs.

They are getting better options and losing stuff that wasn't all that great in the SMs codex.

I see a lot of counts as SWs armies on the horizon.


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That's a bit OTT if WGTs can have drop pods. All of a sudden the SWs are getting a better codex than the SMs.

They are getting better options and losing stuff that wasn't all that great in the SMs codex.

I see a lot of counts as SWs armies on the horizon.

After seeing more of the new mode line, I'm definitely getting Space Wolves. I'm just waiting to see pricing and when advance orders can be taken. I really like the modelling opportunities and the rules seem to be very viable and flexible (thank you Phil Kelly). After nearly 18 years, I'll finally be building and playing a Marine army.

Defiler wrote:
And honestly, mounting larger scale (Terminator size) werewolves on 25 mm bases would be a great way to work Wulfen back in, at least theme wise while counting as the thunder-whatever riders. S5, T5, 2W, rending and cavalry rules sound perfect for fully afflicted wulf-kin...

While I think thats a nice work around, I'm disappointed Wulfen weren't properly included. I was really hoping for them. I was thinking of doing an army around their theme, but I guess I'll wait for the next codex.

KeithGatchalian wrote:Thought I'd start a new thread for those of us who have seen the book, rather then make people sift through the other rumor threads with old info.


I LOVE it! The wolves only lost a few things and gained a whole bunch.

HQ's.....you only have 1 mandatory HQ, but for every HQ slot you can take 2 choices! Still Wolf Lord, Wolf Priest, Rune Priest, and WGBL. No restrictions on the numbers, so you can have 4 Wolf Lords.

Logan Grimnar.....pretty much the same as before, with Eternal Warrior. If you take him Wolf Guards count as troops. A unit he joins can have either relentless, preferred enemy, tank hunters or something else.

Ragnar....any unit he joins gets D3 bonus attacks on the charge. He can howl once per game and all units nearby get Furious Charge.

Rune Priests......several lame powers....and then the good one. Draw a straight line, anything hit by it takes an Initiative test...if it fails...it is gone. Monstrous Creatures get +1 on the roll....but still.....

Wolf Priests.....did not get the narthecium, so no Feel No Pain. You get to reroll against tough monsters ( if I recall correctly).

Wolf Guard Packs are a separate choice. You can pick a WG to lead a squad, taken from this pack. You can kit them out however you want. They can have jetpacks or bikes! and Frostblades!

Arjac is an upgrade, think...Thor. He hits on 3's, rerolls to hit and to wounds ( I believe both) against monstrous creatures with a thunderhammer, which he can also throw at Str 10 AP1.

Blood claws still have Berserk Charge. You know, I did not look at their weapon options. Stupid me. Their stat line also did not change.

Grey Hunters have bolt pistol, ccw and bolter. No special charge rule. 1 can have a plasma pistol, one can have a power weapon or fist, and they can have 2 special weapons.

Wolf scouts have to roll for outflanking, but if they roll high enough, can pick which board edge they come on...any edge.

Bjorn the Fell handed....AV 13 on the front. If he dies, he counts as an objective or bonus KP's for the enemy ( if no SW models are in base with the wreck). But if he dies, all SW's are fearless.

The Trickster.....if he dies, a roll is made, if the SW wins, all models in btb with him are removed from the game. Hi Abaddon!

You can have Fenrisian wolf packs, they count as troops if you take Canis.

Thunderwolf cavalry...1-5, they upgrade your stats and give you rending, and you can mount most characters on them.

No Ironclad, but you get Redeemers.

Njal has some crazy powers, including negating psychic powers on a 3+. The Chooser of the Slain lets you put a marker on the board that doesn't allow infiltrating near it. Did I mention the psychic power removing a model that fails an Init test?

Did I mention Runic Weapons wounding Daemons on a 2+?

Sagas are nice, not over the top. Reroll morale tests, reroll to hits if the enemy is tough/monstrous etc.


So we did not get the Rending from Ragnar, Feel no Pain from the WP, no relentless on Long Fangs. The army did keep Counter Attack and Acute Senses. They keep Mark of the Wulfen, Wolf tooth necklaces, but lose runic charms. Wolf Guard can be kitted out as individuals, not as a squad. WGBL lost the heavy weapon.

The sprues rock...they did includ scout heads,which is nice.

Yay Wolves!

Spent two hours reading the codex today

Drop Pod Assault works EXACTLY as in the Marine Codex.

EVERY single space wolf has counter attack and acute senses.

Grey Hunters are the best troop unit in the game now...PERIOD.

Blood Claws has a ridiculous number of attacks on the charge.... cant remember if there is still a limitation on the number of jump packing BC squads...

The ability to make an all terminator army that is significantly more capable than a Dark Angel Deathwing. (that one's gotta sting for those robe-wearing quasi-traitors)

Wolf Guard terminators very close to the cost of bare bones chaos termies, with superior loadouts and the ability to add a large variety of cheap and exotic upgrades (cheap combi's, cheap wolf claws, more exotic frost blades and thunder hammers, charms and standards)

Most flexible and capable terminator unit in the game, IMHO. The only time this is not true is when comparing marine ALL thunder hammer storm shield termies to identically equipped WG Termies. Marines do it for cheaper.

There are at least two other rune priest powers that are GREAT. One is called Hurricane, forcing a bunch a str 3 hits on a target, but making its next turn movement as if in difficult AND dangerous terrain ( think about those implications for a large ork/ tyranid horde).

Another one makes all skimmers, jet bikes and Jump Packers treat ALL of the table withint 2 feet of rune priest at difficult and dangerous terrain. Think DE in raiders...


4 HQ's..... Bjorn the Fell Handed has a slight buff to his rules. Allows you to reroll for table edge first turn...as well as other cool abilities

Njal Storm Caller has a storm whose effects build up over the course of the battle.... its not a psychic test power, the storm just automatically builds each turn he lives. The effects can range from minor to major, in roughly a two foot circumfrence of his bad-ass self....

Sons of Russ wrote:
Blood Claws has a ridiculous number of attacks on the charge.... cant remember if there is still a limitation on the number of jump packing BC squads...

Limit of Three as they are Fast Attack, though you can make a Wolf Guard Airborne unit.


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Gwar! wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:No they cannot they must use a drop pod for deep striking.

Wolf... Guard... Terminators... That.... Can........ Drop Pod.........

Oh lawdy....

If I am recalling correctly Gwar, I'm sure you'll have loads of fun.

radiohazard wrote:WGTs in Drop Pods???

This makes me smile.

Has this been confirmed?

I believe its what I read in the dex.

Fateweaver wrote:Not quite so sure a SW Terminator army is going to really be all that.

Logan is 2x +15 cost of Belial, 5 WG Terms with TH/SS is rumored to be 315pts, SW Termies cannot DS in so would need to either start on foot, in an LR variant or drop pod in which is going to add even more points.

I'm guessing 2k points worth of Loganwing is going to amount to roughly 25 WG and Logan, in which case nothing is DS'ing in so 26 models starting on the board. Daemons and DW would murder that army by the end of turn 1. 2 Executioners would destroy that army in 2 turns and that doesn't count the rest of the IG army.

40 Thunderstorm Terms, Belial and a Dread for the same amount of points. DA DW vs Loganwing. My money is on the DW EVERY SINGLE TIME.

I must admit I'm sort of feeling the itch to start SW (damn fleas).

*Edited. Rumored points costs I realize is 63pts for WG Terms with TH/SS. So I think DW is safe.

Hahahaha... way to look for the most extreme examples...

Read the preview copy.

A WG termie with SB and power weapon comes in a cost that is only divisable by 3 and 11.....

Deathwing are Fearless (thats a drawback) Wofl Guard are ATSKNF, Ld9 and have Acute senses and Counter Attack ... HUGE.

Thunder Hammer / Storm Shield is the worst set up you can come up with for Wolf Guard Termies... its an over costed combo when compared to DA and marines...

try comparing a bare bone squad of Deathwing (245?) to a bare bones squad of WG Termies (5x man starts at 165) and thats for storm bolter and power weapon, a combo i think is superior to masses of storm bolter power fist.

throw in chaos cheap combi weapons and superior versions of the sing lightning claws at the same cheap upgrade price, a smattering of frost blades, chainfists

Deathwing fail at their own game.

From what i can see, they took codex: Ultrasmurf, added in tons of new rules, most of which are pertty damn good.
Added in some great new units and items, then slashed the cost of it all

Im really waiting to see what they can do im CC now, if anything i may have to re-design my BA to be 100% CC for wolf hunting

All in all though, i think green tides will get washed away by the new fuzzy grey tide

Sons of Russ wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:Not quite so sure a SW Terminator army is going to really be all that.

Logan is 2x +15 cost of Belial, 5 WG Terms with TH/SS is rumored to be 315pts, SW Termies cannot DS in so would need to either start on foot, in an LR variant or drop pod in which is going to add even more points.

I'm guessing 2k points worth of Loganwing is going to amount to roughly 25 WG and Logan, in which case nothing is DS'ing in so 26 models starting on the board. Daemons and DW would murder that army by the end of turn 1. 2 Executioners would destroy that army in 2 turns and that doesn't count the rest of the IG army.

40 Thunderstorm Terms, Belial and a Dread for the same amount of points. DA DW vs Loganwing. My money is on the DW EVERY SINGLE TIME.

I must admit I'm sort of feeling the itch to start SW (damn fleas).

*Edited. Rumored points costs I realize is 63pts for WG Terms with TH/SS. So I think DW is safe.

Hahahaha... way to look for the most extreme examples...

Read the preview copy.

A WG termie with SB and power weapon comes in a cost that is only divisable by 3 and 11.....

Deathwing are Fearless (thats a drawback) Wofl Guard are ATSKNF, Ld9 and have Acute senses and Counter Attack ... HUGE.

Thunder Hammer / Storm Shield is the worst set up you can come up with for Wolf Guard Termies... its an over costed combo when compared to DA and marines...

try comparing a bare bone squad of Deathwing (245?) to a bare bones squad of WG Termies (5x man starts at 165) and thats for storm bolter and power weapon, a combo i think is superior to masses of storm bolter power fist.

throw in chaos cheap combi weapons and superior versions of the sing lightning claws at the same cheap upgrade price, a smattering of frost blades, chainfists

Deathwing fail at their own game.

EDIT: barebones deathwing are 215 IIRC (different from cost above)

i don't think they fail at their own game compared to wolves. if you're taking a deathwing army, you're going to want them as scoring so that'll cost you around 140 for belial and 275 for logan. granted, logan has alot more OOMPF in close combat and buffs the unit he's with but we're talking about a high cost per unit army so spending almost double on the character that makes them scoring sometimes isn't the best idea. both fail at the TH/SS loadout; wolves do because they're charged what it's worth (yay, vanilla marines get a point!) and DA fail because they use the crappier 4th ed rules for SS. if frost blades cost 10pts (what someone charged earlier in one of the SW threads) for WG termies, then that's an accurate comparison since both armies "standard" termie will be 43 points. on the one hand, you've got great antimeq (SW with init 4 at strength 5, each bumped by one is ragnar is around) with countercharge while on the other hand you've got better monstrous/vehicle bashing (init 1 with strength 8) and deathwing assault.

overall, i'd have to call it even. when the wolves codex finally comes out, i'll have to sit down and see which army list (vanilla termies with lysander/marneus, DA with Belial/Chaplain, or SW with Logan/??) is the best fit for my fig loadout. realistically, i'll make up 3 compatible lists probably to choose from at the tabletop.

From the sounds of things Blood Claws might not be all that hot as a troop choice when lined up against GH. They seem to suffer from the same problem Zerkers do. Great at assault and taking the objective. Not so great at holding it.
In addition, I don't think that the Grey Hunters are that much worse in assault.


+Bloodclaws
= Don't need to worry about the loss of extra special weapon when selecting a transport because BS3 (and can't shoot within 6') so can put in a Wolf Guard (although that would mean they can shoot?)

+Grey Hunters
= Now as cheap as Blood Claws. Can take AND hold quite well. While no +2 attack, this is offset via a round of shooting (although can put you out of assault range)


Perhaps a 1:3 split?
Otherwise I would think a unit or two of BC at fast attack is the way to run them.

Lurker wrote:From the sounds of things Blood Claws might not be all that hot as a troop choice when lined up against GH. They seem to suffer from the same problem Zerkers do. Great at assault and taking the objective. Not so great at holding it.
In addition, I don't think that the Grey Hunters are that much worse in assault.


+Bloodclaws
= Don't need to worry about the loss of extra special weapon when selecting a transport because BS3 (and can't shoot within 6') so can put in a Wolf Guard (although that would mean they can shoot?)

+Grey Hunters
= Now as cheap as Blood Claws. Can take AND hold quite well. While no +2 attack, this is offset via a round of shooting (although can put you out of assault range)


Perhaps a 1:3 split?
Otherwise I would think a unit or two of BC at fast attack is the way to run them.

I'm inclined to agree with your assessment from what we've heard. Straight out of the box, GH seem to have the edge. 2 specials at ten men, plus the power weapon/fist. OR if you want them in a drop pod or Rhino, 1 special, 1 power weapon/fist, a WG with something sweet and then in they go.

For the same points, BCs aren't really effective at the same unit size, plus MEQs hit them on threes, they only get the 1 attack edge on GH if they charge, and there you're probably looking at a landraider crusader which is a significant points allocation.

And they STILL only get 1 power weapon/fist, and only one special unless they are at 15 men. It definitely sounds like Swift and Sky claws are the way to go in this book.

Though people (like me) who have multi-melta attack bikes from the last codex are pretty damn screwed. A Swiftclaws squad w/ meltagun, plus a multi-melta attack bike, NEEDS a WG leading it. And - once again - you'll start to see the points cost creep up, and the unit efficiency go down.

It mainly sucks that - in the last codex blood claws didn't need THIS much attention in order to function properly.

On the DW vs WG debate.

If a WG with a frost blade and SB is in the same price range as a DW Termi, what does a WG with a powerfist and SB cost?

Lurker wrote:On the DW vs WG debate.

If a WG with a frost blade and SB is in the same price range as a DW Termi, what does a WG with a powerfist and SB cost?

Dohh...checked my notes, its 43 points. WGT with Twin Wolf Claws is 48.

You sure it wasn't 43pts for a SB/PF? I thought it was the standard cost of the weapon minus the power weapon the Termie already had. Could be wrong though. Didn't memorize the WGT list since I probably won't be using them

1] What are the transport options for Wolf Guard?
2] What about the Great Company Banner?

Yup, looks like GH are a great troops choice and BCs are kinda meh. All they really have going for them is the +! A on the charge, but since they are WS 3 and really suffer in shooting, I don't think that is big deal. Especially with Counter Attack. They do seem to be good with JPs as a FA choice, though. Cheap and speedy.

The wolf packs also look quite sexy. 8 pts for 4 s4 attack cav? Yes please! Just run behind my rhinos....

Gwar! wrote:

Da Boss wrote:Thousand sons don't get lash of submission.

El Facepalm. Fine, they dont get Bolt of Change then!

Yeah, so like I said - it will be fun when Space Wolves get better psychic powers than Thousand Sons. Cause that's fluffy.
Then again the Chaos codex didn't exactly set the bar very high.

Da Boss wrote:Space Wolves are flat out better at psychic defense and offense than Tzeentch.

Well it's not hard being better at psychic defense than Tzeentch since Tzeentch psychic defense consists solely of, err... not letting yourself get targeted by psychic attacks?

Smashotron wrote:After seeing all this gak (most balanced, some OTT) I think its about time they allow Dark Angels to ride Lions! and Ultramarines to ride Imperial Citizens!

That should balance things out.

I heard that in the new Blood Angels codex there will be a unit of Blood Angels riding giant vampire bats!
I also heard that when Dark Angels get redone they will get a unit riding actual giant angels, but their assault cannons will become Heavy 3 (no rending), their land raiders' transport capacity will be reduced to 8, and you will have to include Azrael in order to take tactical squads as troops.

The only downside to an all WGT army is Logan. He's a wee bit pricey. Other than that the WGT squads are very tactically sound.

The options that will be taken the most will be:

1. Frostblades and Storm Bolters at 43 points base plus Assault Cannon.

These are my personal favorites. IIRC 3 pts more expensive than a vanilla terminator with a much better weapon for killing infantry. Assault cannon is gravy in this unit as it just chews through virtually anything. They need anti-tank support but we have dreads and long fangs for this.

2. Power weapon and Storm Bolter. Cheap and reliable at 33 pts each. Again better than vanilla terminators. Needs anti-tank support.

3. Power fist and storm bolter. I can see the tactical uses of this loadout, but to me it is going to suck royally against Orks and Nids who will attack first with tons of attacks thus meaning you might not get any back. I'm not a fan.

As for a second HQ choice, I'd be tempted by Ragnar who is an animal. His additional attack to a squad he joins is too good.

Another option (I'm still waiting confirmation on) is a wolf lord with runic armour, frost blade, storm shield, wolf tooth necklace and wolf pelt. I believe it has 6 attacks when charged or charging hitting on 3+ at str 5, ignoring saves. He has a 2+/3++ save. I am waiting for confirmation on this though.

double post

Cry, Cry, Cry and the book ain't even on the shelves yet. You can beat these new wolves with alot what is already out there just fine. I do not see the issue. However the heavy dose of sarcasm has bee humorous and I will continue to read cause you guys come up with some funny stuff.

Well of course there is a lot of stuff out there that can beat them, we're not debating that. We are comparing the SW to the DA and SM codecies.
There is no best army in any wargame.

Though there are some piss poor ones

I yoinked this info from warseer.

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General info

To be released Saturday October 3 2009

Pre-order Saturday September 20 2009

Codex written by Phil Kelly

Space Wolves will supposedly be “even less Codex Astartes” than they were before. This would cover unusual squad sizes etc.

Slashgod found out the following from Phil Kelly

Originally Posted by Slashgod
We also talked in general about Space Wolves and he said that Space Wolves would have extrem stats and some nice special rules but would pay with a lot of points. "You will be always outnumbered".
The Teaser from the back of September's White Dwarf:

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Codex cover:

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Inside colour spread:

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birdbath pointed out that the GW Website has the following preview of this White Dwarf

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In the Company of Wolves
The Space Wolves are the descendants of Leman Russ. They are proud, heroic warriors who like nothing more than to feast and slay in their Primarch's name. We find out all there is to know about this fearsome Chapter.

AND....

Super-Interchangeable Space Wolves
Just how versatile are the new plastic kits? Well, we put them through their paces and find out!
Rules

Army-wide Special Rules

All Space Wolves are rumoured to have ATSKNF, Acute Senses, and Counter attack.

Sagas – Characters can take special skills called Sagas. All Sagas are rumoured to be 25pts each. You may not double up on Sagas, although Special Characters do not count towards this. Sagas supposedly have conditions attached that whilst they have little to no in-game effect, are there for true fluff-nuts.

Saga of Majesty - All friendly units within 6" get to re-roll failed morale checks

Saga of the Beast Killer - Re-roll to hit and wound against models of T5 or higher

Saga of the Iron Wolf (Iron Priest only) - Adds D3" to the vehicle they are in and +1 to repair rolls

Saga of the Wolf - Fenrisian Wolves get Ld7 and I5

Saga of the bear - Eternal Warrior

Saga of the Warrior Born - +1 attack for each kill in previous Assault Phase

Saga of the Hunter - Outflank and Stealth

Wolf Claws – The Space Wolf version of Lightning Claws, allow you to choose to either re-roll “to hit” or “to wound”.

Frostblade - +1 Strength Power Weapon

Banner of the Wolf – Grants a reroll on all "to hit" rolls in combat for the entire army for one turn.

Belt of Russ (25pts) - As before. can only be taken by Wolf Lords and Wold Guard Battle Leaders.

Drop Pod Assault - Same as C:SM

Special Characters

Supposedly all cost more than Gazkhull Thrakka . Some are ICs some are upgrade characters. FOC slot is unknown for sure unless specifically stated.

Logan Grimnar (approx 275pts) – Axe allows him to attack as either a Frostblade, or a Power Fist, and can split his attacks between these two attack types. Rumoured to allow Wolf Guard as Troops (normal Lords only allow 1 unit) and has Eternal Warrior. Logan and the squad he joins may choose one of the following special rules each turn:
Fearless, Tank Hunters, Relentless or Preferred enemy.

Ragnar Blackmane (240pts) – Supposedly the best Close Combat character. Grants himself and the unit he joins d3 extra attacks on the charge instead of +1. Has 5 Attacks with WS6 and a 4+ inv Dodge Save. Armed with a Frostblade. Rumoured to grant Furious Charge to the unit he joins and once per game to all units within 12". Has Saga of the Warrior Born.

Njal Stormcaller (245pts) – Has Runic Armour (2+ save, 5+ inv against psychic attacks that deal damage) and can upgrade it to Runic Terminator Armour (2+ save, 4+ inv against everything) for 25pts. He is rumoured to still have the Cyber Raven (pick a point on the table and the enemy cannot infiltrate within 18" of itand causes D3 I5 S3 hits on one model in contact with Njal). Has all six Space Wolf Psychic powers. His Runic Weapon negate any psychic powers on a 3+. Shrouded by a storm that gets worse as the game progresses. Roll a D3 and add the turn number:

2) Nothing
3) All enemy units within 24" get -1BS
4) All enemy units count open ground within 24" of Njal as Difficult terrain
5) All unengaged enemy units within 18" take a Break Test
6) One unit within 18" takes D6 S9 hits, vehicles get hit on side armour
7+) All unengaged enemy units within 12" take D6 S8 AP5 hits.

Ulrik the Slayer – Allows Preferred Enemy against one unit type (infantry, tanks etc) chosen at the start of the game.

Canis Wolfborn (185pts) – WS5 BS2 S5 T5 I5 A5 Ld8. Mounted on a large cybernetically enhanced Fenrisian wolf. Wears Terminator Armour and has a pair of Wolf Claws. Canis also allows you to take Fenrisian Wolves or Thunderwolf Riders as Troops (although Fenrisians still do not count as scoring). Can substitute his base number of attacks for attacks equal to the number of enemies in base to base contact with him. Gives Fensisian Wolves Ld8.

Björn the Fellhanded (270pts) – Apparently has armour 13/12/10 with a 5+ inv save, is Venerable, has WS6 BS6 S7 I3 A4. Supposedly comes with an Assault Cannon but can be given a Plasma Cannon for Free. Allows all friendly units within 12" to reroll Moral tests. If killed he counts as an objective and makes all the Space Wolves Fearless.

Lukas the Trickster (+140pts) - Blood Claw upgrade. Has Ld8 and causes his Squad to be capped at that. Has the Doppleganger Cape that forces the enemy to re-roll successful to-hit rolls. Had his secondary heart ripped out by a Dark Eldar, and replaced it with a stasis bomb. His Special Rule is called "the last laugh", where on his death he and the model that killed him are removed then both players roll a D6. If the SW player rolls equal to or higher than their opponent, all models within Base to Base contact with Lukas (friend or foe) are removed. He is supposedly over 300 years old and although “the equivalent of a captain, his unruly manners cannot be accepted among the battle brothers”. He also apparently stole one of the Chapter's Thunderhawks and crashed it.

Arjak Rockfist (+170pts)- Upgrade to a Wolf Guard squad. S5 W2 Furious Charge, Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield. His Storm Shield supposedly grants a bonus attack which represents him shield charging the enemy. His Thunder Hammer can supposedly be thrown as a 6" S10 AP1 assault 1 shooting attack before returning to his hands.

Special Characters will likely have prescribed (maybe unique) Sagas attached to them.

HQ

HQs are 2 per slot but you can't take duplicates. You also cannot duplicate Wargear combinations.

Wolf Lords (100pts) – Stats as per Chapter Master. May take up to one Saga except for Saga of the Hunter and Saga of the Iron Wolf. They will have a wide variety of weapon options.

Wolf Guard Battle Leader (75pts) – Stats as per Captain. May take up to one Saga except for Saga of the Iron Wolf.

Wolf Priests (100pts) – Armed with Power weapon, Iron Wolf Amulet (4+ Inv) as standard. May take up to one Saga except Saga of the Warrior Born, Saga of the Bear or Saga of the Iron Wolf. Allows Preferred Enemy against one unit type (infantry, tanks etc) chosen at the start of the game.

Rune Priests (100pts) – Armed with Runic Weapon and able to take Space Wolf Specific psychic powers. May take up to one Saga. Psychic Storm power gives 5+ cover and turns area of effect into difficult terrain for skimmers. Runic Weapons negate any psychic powers on a 4+, areforce weapons, and wound daemons on a 2+. Runic Armour upgrade gives a 2+ save and 5+ inv save against psychic shooting attacks

Psychic Powers include:
Maw of Fenrir - Measure out 24" and anything touched by the line must pass an Initiative test or be removed from play. Monstrous creatures get -1 to their roll.
Chain Lightning - 3d6 D6 S7 AP5 shots with infinite range.
Stormcaller - ALL friendly units within 6" get a 5+ cover save. Cast at start of turn.
Large template psychic shooting attack. Large Blast template has to touch the Rune Priest. Anything touched takes a S3 hit.
3d6 s3 auto-hits with 18" range. Any unit hit moves as if it were in difficult terrain.
All Deep Strikers, Jump Infantry, and possibly bikes normal infantry and MCs move as if they were in dangerous terrain.
Shooting attack that can be shot in Freki mode or Greki mode. Both are 12". One is S5 AP- Assault 3 and the other is S4 AP2 Assault 2. Any units taking wounds from it must take a morale check or fall back.

Elites

Iron Priests – Come with Thunder Hammer. Will most likely be brought in line with Codex Techmarines. May take Saga of the Iron Wolf. No Servo-Harness.

Dreadnaught – May be Standard or Venerable, but Ironclad is not included. Start with Assault Cannon. May exchange for Multi Melta or TL Heavy Flamer (?). Venerable Dreads can take the Saga of Majesty.

Wolf Guard – 3-10 Wolf Guard. Bolt Pistol & CCW Frag and Krak grenades. May replace either BP or CCW with Bolter. May take a Wolf Guard Battle Leader who will be able to take up to one Saga. May take Bikes or Jump Packs. Basic Terminator with Power Weapon & Storm Bolter costs around 30pts. 1 Terminator Heavy Weapon per 5 Terminators. A WG with Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield is rumoured to come to just under 70pts. Can be assigned to other squads during deployment to act as a Sgt (1 per squad). Terminators cannot Teleport. May take a Drop Pod. One unit may take a Land Raider as a dedicated transport

Wolf Scouts – Can take all types of Special Weapon and Melta Bombs. If held in reserve, may deploy from any board edge on a 3+

Lone Wolf (20pts)– A one-man unit that will be “really strong” and act similar to Tyranid Lictors. Supposedly berserk survivors of Units searching for death so they may join their fallen brothers. Concede a Kill Point if they aren’t killed. WS5 W2, Eternal Warrior, Feel no Pain and re-roll To-Hit against Walkers, Monstrous Creatures and things above T5. Can take up to 2 Fenrisian Wolves and any equipment available to Wolf Guard (except Bikes and Jump Packs).

Wulfen – Removed

Troops

Grey Hunters (15pts each) – Bolter, Bolt Pistol & CCW Frag and Krak grenades. Rumoured to receive a free special weapon for taking 10 men (likely Flamer). True Grit is gone. May take up to one special Close Combat Weapon. May take The Mark of the Wulfen on one model granting D6+1 Attacks and Rending. May take a Drop Pod.

Blood Claws – Bolt Pistol & CCW Frag and Krak grenades. WS and BS 3. Berserk Charge supposedly grants +2 attacks on the charge (but not for Counter Attack). Rumoured to only get 1 Power Weapon/Fist per unit. Headstrong - if the Blood Claw unit is within 6" of an enemy unit and doesnt have a wolf guard leading them they can't shoot. May take a Drop Pod.

Transports

Rhino – Approximately the same cost as C:SM

Razorback – Approximately the same cost as C:SM

Drop Pod – Transport Capacity of 10 Space Wolves or 5 Terminators. Approximately the same cost as C:SM

Fast Attack

Thunderwolf Cavalry (50pts) – 1-5 Marines on big Wolves. S5 T5 W2 A4 Rending Multiple equipment upgrades.

Fenrisian Wolves (8pts) – WS4 BS0 S4 T4 W1 I4 A2 Ld5 6+ Cavalry. Can be upgraded to Cyber Wolves for 10pts WS4 BS0 S4 T5(4) W1 I4 A3 Ld6 4+

Skyclaws – 5-10 Blood Claws with Jump Packs. May take 1 Special Weapon and 1 Special CCW.

Swiftclaws – 3-?? Blood Claws with Bikes. Can take Attack Bikes.

Land Speeder – As C:SM

Land Speeder Storm – Not included

Heavy Support

Long Fangs – 1 Pack Leader and 1-5 Long Fangs. Retain the Split Fire ability as long as the Pack Leader does not shoot. Each Long Fang MUST have a Heavy Weapon. Pack leader can take Special weapons, Power Fists etc. Heavy Bolters apparently very cheap (5pts). May take a Drop Pod.

Land Raider – Crusader and Redeemer most likely added. Supposedly have atransport capacity of 10.Redeemer 12, Crusader 16.

Predator – As per C:SM

Whirlwind – As per C:SM

Vindicator – As per C:SM

Leman Russ Exterminator – Removed

Minis

All Special Character models (Except Logan Grimnar) are getting re-done. If they don’t appear in the first wave, they will come in later waves.

Release Catalogue (prices are placeholders):

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Njal Stormcaller (£12.00 €17.50 AU$33.00) :

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Lukas the Trickster (£10.00 €12.50 AU$22.00) : Apparently a Splash Release.

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Canis Wolfborn (£24.45 US$41.25 €35.00 AU$69.00)

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There is rumoured to be two main plastic kits (although other rumours say a single upgrade kit):

Space Wolves (plastic - £20.00 €30.00 AU$55.00) – Designed by Dave Thomas. Used to make all Power Armoured Space Wolves with the exception of Long Fangs, which will need to combine bits from this kit with the vanilla Devastators kit. There are supposedly 44 heads and 28 shoulder pads in the kit along with weapons and other bits such as Thunder Hammers, wolf claws, plasma guns and plasma pistols, as well as a selection of close combat weapons, wolf tails/pelts and other accessories which could be spread out across vanilla kits (Including bits for Scouts), or concentrated on a few models in a similar way to the Dark Angels kit. The Kit will apparently build up to 10 Space Wolves on its own, and more if combined with other Marine kits.

Sprues:

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3 ups for the kit shown here:

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Some examples of what can be done with the kit here:

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^From GW Newsletter

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^GW Promo poster GD Germany

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^From Bell of Lost Souls

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^From Mr.Warhorse47 on B&C

Wolfguard Terminators (plastic £24.45 €35.00 AU$69.00) – They are supposedly ambidextrous, so for example they will have right and left handed weapons options like Stormbolters.

Official Pic:

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Battleforce (£50.00): 20 Space Wolves, 5 scouts and a Drop Pod




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I think we should put it on page one of this thread.

radiohazard wrote:Wolfguard Terminators (plastic £24.45 €35.00 AU$69.00) – They are supposedly ambidextrous, so for example they will have right and left handed weapons options like Stormbolters.

this would be so cool if you could have one wgt with 2 storm bolters useless but cool and while I don't currently collect space wolves I may in the future

None of your Warseer links work.

Is it really that hard to just look at the Warseer page? http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212260

Well in fairness, I guess I should re-read the DA codex. Everyone says that it is horrible but for the life of me I can't comment on the particulars. As for the new C:SM I believe that it is very easy to build armies to fight the Wolves and beat their tales off. But that is just me. I like how the wolves are just different and still put a hurtin on folks.

I think Njal is going to be the hidden problem. 270 with his Runic Armor. That is a Land Raider. An 1850 list would be hard pressed to hold Njal, Termies and a Land Raider. Anything less than that and he just does not work.

For me, I can for certain see me not using him unless I am running/playing an Apoc game. But I am into to more of the characterful stuff for the army as opposed to the mathammer and what is point efficent and stuff. I build a cool unit then I am using it, Period. I will use the generic charcter stuff for my armies. My own wolf lord and great company.

Hrmf. And I still don't like how Imperial Lightning/Wolf Claws look...

Thanks for posting that info from Warseer radiohazard.

radiohazard wrote:
Canis Wolfborn (185pts) – WS5 BS2 S5 T5 I5 A5 Ld8. Mounted on a large cybernetically enhanced Fenrisian wolf. Wears Terminator Armour and has a pair of Wolf Claws. Canis also allows you to take Fenrisian Wolves or Thunderwolf Riders as Troops (although Fenrisians still do not count as scoring). Can substitute his base number of attacks for attacks equal to the number of enemies in base to base contact with him. Gives Fensisian Wolves Ld8.

Odd; the photo shows him wearing regular armour. Perhaps he actually has Runic Armour with a belt of Russ for the save equivalent of Terminator armour? You can see the backpack, and there's no "engine compartment" behind his head". The upper legs don't have the pistons normally seen on termies.

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Björn the Fellhanded (270pts) – Apparently has armour 13/12/10 with a 5+ inv save, is Venerable, has WS6 BS6 S7 I3 A4. Supposedly comes with an Assault Cannon but can be given a Plasma Cannon for Free. Allows all friendly units within 12" to reroll Moral tests. If killed he counts as an objective and makes all the Space Wolves Fearless.

Dreadnaught – May be Standard or Venerable, but Ironclad is not included. Start with Assault Cannon. May exchange for Multi Melta or TL Heavy Flamer (?). Venerable Dreads can take the Saga of Majesty.

I don't see twin-linked lascannon in either listing. Any idea if that's no longer an option? Looks like I'll need to do some remodelling. Bummer. It certainly makes sense if they're trying to limit the long-range weaponry.

He is supposedly over 300 years old and although “the equivalent of a captain, his unruly manners cannot be accepted among the battle brothers”. He also apparently stole one of the Chapter's Thunderhawks and crashed it.

The obnoxious drunk fratboy of the SW... Nice.

I like what i see so far, only a little remodeling to do.

As far as all of those who are complaning about the Space Wolves getting a new DEX, when was the last time your was yours updated, we never even got a 4e Dex

I am wondering which would be a better build:

A few HQ's back by Drop podding Grey Hunters

or

Logan backed by Power armor wearing Wolf Guard in Pods??

Thoughts??

I have to get my true scale wolves ready!!

Sorry for the links not working. They were working earlier. Bloody gremlins again.
I put this info here for everyone to read and because we are better than warseer who are just really stuck up and have a really poncy eldar name for a forum.
It is here for everyones convienience so they don't have to link over to another shi... I mean site.

The problem with the links are that you copy pasted them. Warseer seems to automatically truncate long links, but if you hit quote on the post you C/P:ed, and copy pasted that, all the links would work.

I cannot change or delete the links because I'm on my iPhone. If a mod could delete the links in the yoiked info post I would be most grateful.

Well, here's a link to the thread:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212260

And here's a quote, courtesy of The Dude over at Warseer. The links should work now:

The Dude;3809297 wrote:***READ THIS FIRST***

In order to stop yourself looking completely stupid, I suggest you do the following BEFORE posting any new rumours or questions.

1) Read the first post
2) Check the time this post was last edited
3) Read AT LEAST all the posts AFTER this post was last edited

If after all that your rumour hasn’t appeared, or your question hasn’t been asked, feel free to post it.

Please keep the discussion related to new rumours or how current rumours may impact you or other rules etc.

General info

To be released Saturday October 3 2009

Pre-order Saturday September 20 2009

Codex written by Phil Kelly

Space Wolves will supposedly be “even less Codex Astartes” than they were before. This would cover unusual squad sizes etc.

Slashgod found out the following from Phil Kelly



The Teaser from the back of September's White Dwarf:

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=67877&d=1251063759

Codex cover:

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=68733&d=1252083706

Inside colour spread:

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=69038&d=1252333530

birdbath pointed out that the GW Website has the following preview of this White Dwarf



Rules

Army-wide Special Rules

All Space Wolves are rumoured to have ATSKNF, Acute Senses, and Counter attack.

Sagas – Characters can take special skills called Sagas. All Sagas are rumoured to be 25pts each. You may not double up on Sagas, although Special Characters do not count towards this. Sagas supposedly have conditions attached that whilst they have little to no in-game effect, are there for true fluff-nuts.

Saga of Majesty - All friendly units within 6" get to re-roll failed morale checks

Saga of the Beast Killer - Re-roll to hit and wound against models of T5 or higher

Saga of the Iron Wolf (Iron Priest only) - Adds D3" to the vehicle they are in and +1 to repair rolls

Saga of the Wolf - Fenrisian Wolves get Ld7 and I5

Saga of the bear - Eternal Warrior

Saga of the Warrior Born - +1 attack for each kill in previous Assault Phase

Saga of the Hunter - Outflank and Stealth

Wolf Claws – The Space Wolf version of Lightning Claws, allow you to choose to either re-roll “to hit” or “to wound”.

Frostblade - +1 Strength Power Weapon

Banner of the Wolf – Grants a reroll on all "to hit" rolls in combat for the entire army for one turn.

Belt of Russ (25pts) - As before. can only be taken by Wolf Lords and Wold Guard Battle Leaders.

Drop Pod Assault - Same as C:SM

Special Characters

Supposedly all cost more than Gazkhull Thrakka :eek:. Some are ICs some are upgrade characters. FOC slot is unknown for sure unless specifically stated.

Logan Grimnar (approx 275pts) – Axe allows him to attack as either a Frostblade, or a Power Fist, and can split his attacks between these two attack types. Rumoured to allow Wolf Guard as Troops (normal Lords only allow 1 unit) and has Eternal Warrior. Logan and the squad he joins may choose one of the following special rules each turn:
Fearless, Tank Hunters, Relentless or Preferred enemy.

Ragnar Blackmane (240pts) – Supposedly the best Close Combat character. Grants himself and the unit he joins d3 extra attacks on the charge instead of +1. Has 5 Attacks with WS6 and a 4+ inv Dodge Save. Armed with a Frostblade. Rumoured to grant Furious Charge to the unit he joins and once per game to all units within 12". Has Saga of the Warrior Born.

Njal Stormcaller (245pts) – Has Runic Armour (2+ save, 5+ inv against psychic attacks that deal damage) and can upgrade it to Runic Terminator Armour (2+ save, 4+ inv against everything) for 25pts. He is rumoured to still have the Cyber Raven (pick a point on the table and the enemy cannot infiltrate within 18" of itand causes D3 I5 S3 hits on one model in contact with Njal). Has all six Space Wolf Psychic powers. His Runic Weapon negate any psychic powers on a 3+. Shrouded by a storm that gets worse as the game progresses. Roll a D3 and add the turn number:

2) Nothing
3) All enemy units within 24" get -1BS
4) All enemy units count open ground within 24" of Njal as Difficult terrain
5) All unengaged enemy units within 18" take a Break Test
6) One unit within 18" takes D6 S9 hits, vehicles get hit on side armour
7+) All unengaged enemy units within 12" take D6 S8 AP5 hits.

Ulrik the Slayer – Allows Preferred Enemy against one unit type (infantry, tanks etc) chosen at the start of the game.

Canis Wolfborn (185pts) – WS5 BS2 S5 T5 I5 A5 Ld8. Mounted on a large cybernetically enhanced Fenrisian wolf. Wears Terminator Armour and has a pair of Wolf Claws. Canis also allows you to take Fenrisian Wolves or Thunderwolf Riders as Troops (although Fenrisians still do not count as scoring). Can substitute his base number of attacks for attacks equal to the number of enemies in base to base contact with him. Gives Fensisian Wolves Ld8.

Björn the Fellhanded (270pts) – Apparently has armour 13/12/10 with a 5+ inv save, is Venerable, has WS6 BS6 S7 I3 A4. Supposedly comes with an Assault Cannon but can be given a Plasma Cannon for Free. Allows all friendly units within 12" to reroll Moral tests. If killed he counts as an objective and makes all the Space Wolves Fearless.

Lukas the Trickster (+140pts) - Blood Claw upgrade. Has Ld8 and causes his Squad to be capped at that. Has the Doppleganger Cape that forces the enemy to re-roll successful to-hit rolls. Had his secondary heart ripped out by a Dark Eldar, and replaced it with a stasis bomb. His Special Rule is called "the last laugh", where on his death he and the model that killed him are removed then both players roll a D6. If the SW player rolls equal to or higher than their opponent, all models within Base to Base contact with Lukas (friend or foe) are removed. He is supposedly over 300 years old and although “the equivalent of a captain, his unruly manners cannot be accepted among the battle brothers”. He also apparently stole one of the Chapter's Thunderhawks and crashed it.

Arjak Rockfist (+170pts)- Upgrade to a Wolf Guard squad. S5 W2 Furious Charge, Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield. His Storm Shield supposedly grants a bonus attack which represents him shield charging the enemy. His Thunder Hammer can supposedly be thrown as a 6" S10 AP1 assault 1 shooting attack before returning to his hands. :rolleyes:

Special Characters will likely have prescribed (maybe unique) Sagas attached to them.

HQ

HQs are 2 per slot but you can't take duplicates. You also cannot duplicate Wargear combinations.

Wolf Lords (100pts) – Stats as per Chapter Master. May take up to one Saga except for Saga of the Hunter and Saga of the Iron Wolf. They will have a wide variety of weapon options.

Wolf Guard Battle Leader (75pts) – Stats as per Captain. May take up to one Saga except for Saga of the Iron Wolf.

Wolf Priests (100pts) – Armed with Power weapon, Iron Wolf Amulet (4+ Inv) as standard. May take up to one Saga except Saga of the Warrior Born, Saga of the Bear or Saga of the Iron Wolf. Allows Preferred Enemy against one unit type (infantry, tanks etc) chosen at the start of the game.

Rune Priests (100pts) – Armed with Runic Weapon and able to take Space Wolf Specific psychic powers. May take up to one Saga. Psychic Storm power gives 5+ cover and turns area of effect into difficult terrain for skimmers. Runic Weapons negate any psychic powers on a 4+, areforce weapons, and wound daemons on a 2+. Runic Armour upgrade gives a 2+ save and 5+ inv save against psychic shooting attacks

Psychic Powers include:
Maw of Fenrir - Measure out 24" and anything touched by the line must pass an Initiative test or be removed from play. Monstrous creatures get -1 to their roll.
Chain Lightning - 3d6 D6 S7 AP5 shots with infinite range.
Stormcaller - ALL friendly units within 6" get a 5+ cover save. Cast at start of turn.
Large template psychic shooting attack. Large Blast template has to touch the Rune Priest. Anything touched takes a S3 hit.
3d6 s3 auto-hits with 18" range. Any unit hit moves as if it were in difficult terrain.
All Deep Strikers, Jump Infantry, and possibly bikes normal infantry and MCs move as if they were in dangerous terrain.
Shooting attack that can be shot in Freki mode or Greki mode. Both are 12". One is S5 AP- Assault 3 and the other is S4 AP2 Assault 2. Any units taking wounds from it must take a morale check or fall back.

Elites

Iron Priests – Come with Thunder Hammer. Will most likely be brought in line with Codex Techmarines. May take Saga of the Iron Wolf. No Servo-Harness.

Dreadnaught – May be Standard or Venerable, but Ironclad is not included. Start with Assault Cannon. May exchange for Multi Melta or TL Heavy Flamer (?). Venerable Dreads can take the Saga of Majesty.

Wolf Guard – 3-10 Wolf Guard. Bolt Pistol & CCW Frag and Krak grenades. May replace either BP or CCW with Bolter. May take a Wolf Guard Battle Leader who will be able to take up to one Saga. May take Bikes or Jump Packs. Basic Terminator with Power Weapon & Storm Bolter costs around 30pts. 1 Terminator Heavy Weapon per 5 Terminators. A WG with Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield is rumoured to come to just under 70pts. Can be assigned to other squads during deployment to act as a Sgt (1 per squad). Terminators cannot Teleport. May take a Drop Pod. One unit may take a Land Raider as a dedicated transport

Wolf Scouts – Can take all types of Special Weapon and Melta Bombs. If held in reserve, may deploy from any board edge on a 3+

Lone Wolf (20pts)– A one-man unit that will be “really strong” and act similar to Tyranid Lictors. Supposedly berserk survivors of Units searching for death so they may join their fallen brothers. Concede a Kill Point if they aren’t killed. WS5 W2, Eternal Warrior, Feel no Pain and re-roll To-Hit against Walkers, Monstrous Creatures and things above T5. Can take up to 2 Fenrisian Wolves and any equipment available to Wolf Guard (except Bikes and Jump Packs).

Wulfen – Removed

Troops

Grey Hunters (15pts each) – Bolter, Bolt Pistol & CCW Frag and Krak grenades. Rumoured to receive a free special weapon for taking 10 men (likely Flamer). True Grit is gone. May take up to one special Close Combat Weapon. May take The Mark of the Wulfen on one model granting D6+1 Attacks and Rending. May take a Drop Pod.

Blood Claws – Bolt Pistol & CCW Frag and Krak grenades. WS and BS 3. Berserk Charge supposedly grants +2 attacks on the charge (but not for Counter Attack). Rumoured to only get 1 Power Weapon/Fist per unit. Headstrong - if the Blood Claw unit is within 6" of an enemy unit and doesnt have a wolf guard leading them they can't shoot. May take a Drop Pod.

Transports

Rhino – Approximately the same cost as C:SM

Razorback – Approximately the same cost as C:SM

Drop Pod – Transport Capacity of 10 Space Wolves or 5 Terminators. Approximately the same cost as C:SM

Fast Attack

Thunderwolf Cavalry (50pts) – 1-5 Marines on big Wolves. S5 T5 W2 A4 Rending Multiple equipment upgrades.

Fenrisian Wolves (8pts) – WS4 BS0 S4 T4 W1 I4 A2 Ld5 6+ Cavalry. Can be upgraded to Cyber Wolves for 10pts WS4 BS0 S4 T5(4) W1 I4 A3 Ld6 4+

Skyclaws – 5-10 Blood Claws with Jump Packs. May take 1 Special Weapon and 1 Special CCW.

Swiftclaws – 3-?? Blood Claws with Bikes. Can take Attack Bikes.

Land Speeder – As C:SM

Land Speeder Storm – Not included

Heavy Support

Long Fangs – 1 Pack Leader and 1-5 Long Fangs. Retain the Split Fire ability as long as the Pack Leader does not shoot. Each Long Fang MUST have a Heavy Weapon. Pack leader can take Special weapons, Power Fists etc. Heavy Bolters apparently very cheap (5pts). May take a Drop Pod.

Land Raider – Crusader and Redeemer most likely added. Supposedly have atransport capacity of 10.Redeemer 12, Crusader 16.

Predator – As per C:SM

Whirlwind – As per C:SM

Vindicator – As per C:SM

Leman Russ Exterminator – Removed

Minis

All Special Character models (Except Logan Grimnar) are getting re-done. If they don’t appear in the first wave, they will come in later waves.

Release Catalogue (prices are placeholders):

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=69060&d=1252340823

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=69061&d=1252340823

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=69062&d=1252340841

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=69063&d=1252340841

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=69064&d=1252340841

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=69065&d=1252341071

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http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=69068&d=1252341071

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=69069&d=1252341071

Njal Stormcaller (£12.00 €17.50 AU$33.00) :

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=68972&d=1252262681

Lukas the Trickster (£10.00 €12.50 AU$22.00) : Apparently a Splash Release.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=68973&d=1252262681

Canis Wolfborn (£24.45 US$41.25 €35.00 AU$69.00)

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=68970&d=1252262681

There is rumoured to be two main plastic kits (although other rumours say a single upgrade kit):

Space Wolves (plastic - £20.00 €30.00 AU$55.00) – Designed by Dave Thomas. Used to make all Power Armoured Space Wolves with the exception of Long Fangs, which will need to combine bits from this kit with the vanilla Devastators kit. There are supposedly 44 heads and 28 shoulder pads in the kit along with weapons and other bits such as Thunder Hammers, wolf claws, plasma guns and plasma pistols, as well as a selection of close combat weapons, wolf tails/pelts and other accessories which could be spread out across vanilla kits (Including bits for Scouts), or concentrated on a few models in a similar way to the Dark Angels kit. The Kit will apparently build up to 10 Space Wolves on its own, and more if combined with other Marine kits.

Sprues:

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=69037&d=1252333441

3 ups for the kit shown here:

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=67036&d=1250438343

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=67037&d=1250438343

Some examples of what can be done with the kit here:

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=64895&d=1247782684

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=64575&d=1247433160

^From GW Newsletter

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=67121&d=1250454314

^GW Promo poster GD Germany

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=65797&d=1248778851

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=65798&d=1248778851

^From Bell of Lost Souls

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=65729&d=1248704021

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=65730&d=1248704046

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=65731&d=1248704046

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http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=65733&d=1248704093

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http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=65735&d=1248704093

^From Mr.Warhorse47 on B&C

Wolfguard Terminators (plastic £24.45 €35.00 AU$69.00) – They are supposedly ambidextrous, so for example they will have right and left handed weapons options like Stormbolters.

Official Pic:

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=68971&d=1252262681

Battleforce (£50.00): 20 Space Wolves, 5 scouts and a Drop Pod

With thanks to BDJV

@radiohazard all the warseer links don't work.

Is anyone else pumped about having a bit of a swarm element in a marine army? If you can take them in decent numbers (10+), Fenrisian Wolves are decidedly awesome. Run those things behind your Rhinos, and tear into whatever presents itself first. You'd need Canis, obviously, but that doesn't seem like much of a sacrifice.

Lord of battles wrote:@radiohazard all the warseer links don't work.

Yes we know this. That's why a kind soul has fixed it. I already stated that I cannot fix the links because I'm on my phone not a computer.

Thanks to number9dream for fixing it.