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Or at least i think I heard it could cause flame wars... Poll is to determine saturation of opinions in the thread.

Any way, first off I am well aware of the fluff issue that the Chapter's geneseed, female Marines are impossible. However, I might have found a loophole.

The Warp.

My query, could the Warp (namely the powers of Tzeench and Slaanesh) Corrupt a geneseed to the point to where females are viable marines, to the point where males are un-compatible? And what would the rest of the Imperium think of them, if using warp-stained gene therapy would even be allowed.

Possible means of Warp exposure I've thought of:
a) Prolonged travel through the Warp causing taint.
b) A Chaos assault resulting in corruption of geneseed.
c) Traitor chapter takes their seed with them to reinforce lost marines.

This isn't an excuse to have female Ultramarines, or one in every chapter. A female marine would be an isolated incident, or at the most a single chapter. Traitor chapters would be more likely to have females, but can the Warp even alter something so?

Honestly, The Warp can turn a chapter of Space Marines into super-soldier bunny rabbits. Being the realm of "unreality" there's not much limiting what it can do.

I think the real issue is whether it's a thematically good idea/how well it fits in stylistically with the rest of the universe.

This is probably the one time when covering yourself in asbestos would make you live longer.

*start the hellhounds*

You cant justify such abomination.

Serious problems:

- Marines have to give up their humanity, why should gender be of any use to them?
- the Emperor created the Space Marines "as is", changing his plans is utter HERESY
- why space marines? There are payloads of possible females to do without need to justify them.
- Design. Enclosed Power armor does show you what about the wielder?
- inflammatory concept. Need to offend / get attention ?
- mutated geneseed does not allow to create new marines. Really want to do mutated creatures that cannot be identified as based on human beeings anymore? Maybe the IW'ws failure could hint on the reasons why chaos'marines' steal geneseed from the Imperium
instead of harvesting their own.
- the process of turning a human into a space marine isnt always successful and also only a few of the millions of humans are possible recruts.

Your solutions:

A) No. Warp travel is so common, such effects would be noticed.
B) Not impossible. But still good question: How? Corrupted geneseed tends to a) stop functioning; b) creates only mutants;
Willfully sabotage a loyal chapter so it may only recrut females wont stop them. With 50% of the populace at hand, there is no
really drawback. Plus if the imperials find out how to access 100% of all humans as possible candidates, chaos is totally screwed.
C) Funny. So the traitors stole geneseed, but can only use it with females?

Maybe => D)

-slanesshi marines ( renegades, traitors,... ) become something undefined like the demons of it?


loophole closed

@1hadhq

Ah, so my idea was right out the window before I thought of it. Didn't think of the geneseed itself presenting the problems. So no chick marines except in fanart... for the loyalists.

But, could you clarify your D option, I think your saying marines turning into daemonettes might be reasonable.

Any how, my main question was answered. Thanks to you all for your opinions.

HERESY

These threads come up again and again.....

My opinion: Its a Sci Fi fantasy game, so in "reality" you can do what-ever you want.

Those small minded individuals that scream "its not allowed"...well, aside from worrying about their grasp of reality outside their gaming rooms, you have to admit that even the current cannon for the WH40K universe allows for all kinds of "things" to happen.

The psuedo science used to explain half the things that happen in WH40K are no better than the suggestions the OP has come up with. However, you could probably have more fun by forgetting the Space Marines.......

What if someone like Fabius Bile chanced upon a genetic manipulation that worked on men but made them into abominations, but produced outstanding and stable super warriors from women!

He then raids numerous Imperial worlds to harvest female slaves for his experiments, and sets about getting corrupt Mechanicus Priests to construct armour suited to his new army!

In game terms, they would be the equal of the Marines in Strength and Toughness, but would be faster due to their armour! lets say they had an armour save of 4+ rather than 3+, they would have +1 attack on a standard Marine, and a Ld of 10 ( women focus better than men! )

Now, IMHO, that would make a much more interesting scenario then simply revamping the Astartes...cause less "friction" and ultimately gives you more modelling and design options.....I mean, they could be taller than Marines, like those Warrior women in the Eisenhorn and Ravenor books by Dan Abnett, which then, you could give them +1 to their strength.....

"Sisters of Chaos/Daughters of Carnage"
Indeed, Delephont, much more interesting than simple female marines. The only problems I *might* see would be the making a codex for them, but I might try if I get used to 40k and have the time and money to try.

If anyone can think of a more appealing/original name than the "Chaos SoB" I thought of, be my guest.

Possible? Yes

Likely to cause a war? probably.

IIRC, now, in this time period, females cannot be riflemen under the Geneva Convention. I doubt this has changed much in the future (SOB are exempt because they aren't really soldiers, they are the bodyguards of the priesthood and the arm of the Emperor's Cult for hunting down witches/daemons) Chaos girl marines makes more sense to me. As some have said though, powered armor leaves a LOT to the imagination.

I read somewhere that the reason for the Marines to be Male only is the fact that the male physiology has something to do with it. Something along the lines of a male only hormone or reaction to the gene-seed during their "transformation" is what prevents any females from gaining super-human status... and if i recal correctly it was either, 100% or ridiculously high rate of failure for females to accept the new organs and incorperate them in the same manor as their male counterparts...

So i do not believe it was a sexist call, but rather a practical one to save gene-seeds from being wasted/gambled on a low/very low chance of success.

Female soldiers are fairly common in the Imperial Guard.

The thing about the Space Marines is, they're very far removed from most of the Imperium. They were created by the Emperor himself eons ago, and they remain a largely separate branch from the rest of the Imperium (much like the AdMech).

The "elite soldiers" of the Imperium are the Stormtroopers, primarily. The Skittarri, Sisters of Battle, and Space Marines are all extremely rare specialists, who are partially outside of the Imperium's domain (being loyal first to the AdMech, Ecclesiarchy, and Chapter/Primarch, respectively).

Orkeosaurus wrote:Female soldiers are fairly common in the Imperial Guard.

And may be more beneficial from a modeling perspective.

@ Caelun Niveus:

a chaosy SoB counterpart may find its place in 40k, if all else fails fall back to slanessh and its undefinable demon-creatures..

Heck, chicks carry babies, if anything that would indicate thier body is more likly to accept the implants and all. he he mariens on maternitly leave

That's not how biology works.

The biggest mistake I see happening here, are people trying to apply real world science and logic to a Sci Fi fantasy setting.

All this bull about how gene-seed can't be accepted by women...blah,blah,blah.....the truth! GW didn't want to do female Space Marines...period!

Is it a sexist call, who knows, it sure doesn't balance out considering the breakdown of gender in humanity does it?

And, heres a little real world logic for you, the Emp can do wonderous things, you mean he couldn't create a female super soldier? yeah right.....

I still say stuff the Marines, they've been done to death....its time for a new regime....( see my post above! )

Female Spase Mariens are awesome.

I like the idea of a bunch of marines making a warp jump and when they leave the warp have all changed gender! The only problem with this theory is that before the ship could even enter an Imperial sector some inquisitor would have already called exterminus upon the chapter, its home world, its ship, probably the solar system the chapter reentered real space in and most deffinately every planet the chapter ever visited! The inquisiton always wins no matter the cost and the chapter of feminine marines would seem to have never existed!

It is a well know fact that the two missing legions of Sace Marines are women, being hidden for millenia by the Emporer for mysterious purposes.

I didnt even know there were 2 missing legions. Since when?

killkrazy, I just went on a strange and disturbing journey through the youtube as a result of that link.

Kilkrazy wrote:It is a well know fact that the two missing legions of Sace Marines are women, being hidden for millenia by the Emporer for mysterious purposes.

Fact??

Missing legions? Who lost them?

they did, you know how they drive

Delephont wrote:The biggest mistake I see happening here, are people trying to apply real world science and logic to a Sci Fi fantasy setting.

All this bull about how gene-seed can't be accepted by women...blah,blah,blah.....the truth! GW didn't want to do female Space Marines...period!

Both are true. Games Workshop wrote the finer points of background (Space Marine implants) to explain the overarching design choices (male Space Marines) they made. That's also why the background is made to accommodate ground battles with little orbital support, that's why technology has been designed to make close combat a realistic option, and that's why The Warp exists at all.

That doesn't make it any less a part of the background, though.

Is it a sexist call, who knows, it sure doesn't balance out considering the breakdown of gender in humanity does it?

From an in-universe standpoint or an out-of-universe standpoint?

From an in-universe standpoint it does make sense. Space Marines were created for the Great Crusade, which required a huge expansion of the human population. Sending a woman to fight reduces a population's ability to grow more than sending a man to fight does. Additionally, men build up more muscle and grow taller.

If the process for creating a Space Marine would need a great deal more research to be adopted to both sexes, choosing males makes more sense than choosing females, or attempting to apply it to both and risking gene-seed decay/mutation, abnormally high death rates at implantation, or a large delay in when the Crusade can begin.


From an out-of-universe standpoint, Space Marines certainly sell well in their current incarnation. I don't think Games Workshop would want to rock the boat with them.

I don't know enough about Games Workshop's marketing strategy to say anything for sure there, though.

The Acolyte wrote:I didnt even know there were 2 missing legions. Since when?

Two of the Primarchs are unaccounted for. Legions 2 and 11 have been deleted from the records.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Primarch
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Two_unknown_legions


...If these two legions were female, does that mean the Primarchs were female?

If people want a boob army they should just play chaos or SoB. I don't get why people want to break the fluff over their knee when a viable option already exists. Fifty bucks thats the reason SoB was made anyway, to make for space marines with cleavage to sell to people who like the idea.

Truth be told I could care less, I just rather not play with those who ignore the setting in which the game is set.

The two unknown legions were most likely not female. There is a quote in The Lightning Tower that goes something like "Their separate tragedies had seemed like aberrations. Had they, in fact, been warnings that no one had heeded?"
This definitely does not imply that they could have been female.
Even if you did have female space marines, which couldn't happen for the reasons 1hadhq said, it wouldn't make any difference modeling wise because in all that armor and shaved bald heads for practical reasons, all the intense steroids that SM need to be SM would make the female marines look exactly like male for any modeling purposes. You would just say "my marines are female" and your opponent would look at you funny and say "uh sure, whatever".

Given the what a male have to go through to become a space marine and the low chances of surviving and succeeding, would almost be guro fodder should the candidate be female. For the end result is some horribly muscled bound specimen who looks like it had been ingesting 10 or more kilos of human growth hormones daily for 10-20 years

IMO They are completly unfluffy, I mean cut and dry it says that the gene seed can only be accepted by males. Now throw in the warp and yeah you can have some female marines, but they could only ever be accepted by chaos cause everyone knows how The Imperium doesn't accept mutations which is what female Space Marines would be. And its not comparing real world science to sci-fi, its just going by fluff look it up only friggin males bodies can accept the friggin gene seed jeez lol. So Yes Female Chaos Space Marines, No Female Imperial Space Marines

@ Lord Chiasson

I totally agree. When I made the statement regarding real world science and Sci Fi, I was refering to people trying to justify the fact that Space Marines are male from a real world point of view.....what you've stated is quite correct, Space Marines are male cause GW wrote the fluff that way....period!

If people want a female alternative, they either go with what GW has provided, or create something different....IMHO, thats the end of the story.....next!

The one thing that repels me from female Marines is that they would be S4/T4. Have you looked at the things that have those stats?




Would you like your women to look like that? I'll stick with the S3/T3 girls, thank you.

Yeah, of course you could argue "My FEMELE SPESS MARHEENZ have geneseed even superior to that of puny NORMAL Space Marines and a much higher muscle density, therefore they look like this:"



But honestly...does not fit. Really.

How did you get a picture of my misses up there? hmm.

Personnaly I think the FLuff is clear on female SM, However if somebody want to make some I have no issue with it at all. We each take what we want from this hobby.
For its is a hobby not a way of life

There are possibilities of creating female space marines (all but in name) via other methods that don't involve using male space marine geneseed. The question(s) whether the possibilities are feasible and be IoM approved need to be answered before any work may be done.

1hadhq wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:It is a well know fact that the two missing legions of Sace Marines are women, being hidden for millenia by the Emporer for mysterious purposes.

Fact??

Missing legions? Who lost them?

The Emporer.

Check the stories of the missing primarchs.

Clearly they have been deliberately lost to create the possibility of things like female space marines.

Thanks every one for your input, and I have my questions solved.
Female Marines in the Imperium are neigh-impossible, and would be rejected if they ever occurred.
Female Chaos Marines would be more likely, and a chaos SoB would be ever the more interesting (though I would steer away from worshiping Slanesh, "Daughters of Carnage" sounds like they worship Khrone anyway.) Not to mention less likely to get me beaten up about it.


Thanks for your ideas everyone. Now if you'll excuse me, I am going to a distant bunker where I can watch the growing fires from a safe distance.

Current imperial doctrine suggests that the gene work that the astartes do requires males only. although, as with most things in 40k, this has become traditionalised, and I doubt that any loyal chapters have ever tried to mehreen a lady type.

Chaos would probabyhave a go at making lady marines, and slaanesh would just convert dudes to ladies.

Id wager Fabius Bile would be able to do it.

Also, bear in mind that female marines would have bodybuilding lady like physiqes. normal humans have S3/T3, so why are youcomparing a normal lady to a gene enhanced supersoldier???

Ermm....looks like some people forgot their Fluff Weetabix this morning...

From a gaming stat point of view, I think you'll find that Imperial Assassins have Str 4 and Toughness 4! and the last time I looked the Callidus Assassin looked very sleek and very female!

Imperial Assassins can go head to head with Marines, and win! but they don't have the numbers.....so, what if someone managed to create a temple of Callidus type Assassins.....an army of Assassins......now, that would be more interesting than blatantly obvious Chaos SoB, or morphed Imperial Marines (which I find disturbing anyway!)

Again, my humble opinion.......

Female marines are an excuse to shoehorn boobs and women into the game. Someone wants an army with boobs, so play sisters.

Kilkrazy wrote:

1hadhq wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:It is a well know fact that the two missing legions of Sace Marines are women, being hidden for millenia by the Emporer for mysterious purposes.

Fact??

Missing legions? Who lost them?

The Emporer.

Check the stories of the missing primarchs.

Clearly they have been deliberately lost to create the possibility of things like female space marines.

Could you please un-delete the deleted data so I may read them?
NO? Emperor only access?

Now, do I have access or not .....

IIRC, none of the legions were not known to R. Dorn. Maybe we ask him? Dead? Silly GW. Cuts off all our sources

Female IG are still the better choice.

Heresy all the way.
Do not even think about it.

So trying to shoehorn more scifi babes in is bad but only males being "implanted" with "the sacred geneseed" is okay?

Wow.

Those jokes are as old as the Dark Angels themselves.

Kilkrazy wrote:Female Spase Mariens are awesome.

My problem isn't with female Space Marines. It's with the idea of cute female space marines. It's written in a number of the descriptions of Space Marines that they dose these guys with ridiculous doses of roids. Part of this production is the result of implants, and it would seem like they would further augment this with injections and things of that nature. If you look at the facial bone structure of male Space Marines it becomes pretty obvious that these guys are being pumped with more juice than the Kool Aid Man.

If you roid a female Space Marine as hard as the male Space Marines seem to be roided, then she isn't going to look much like a woman for long. None of the Ms. Olympia competetors looks anything close to female.

That put, males simply make better candidates for Space Marines overall. Stronger bone structure and musculature to start with, stronger endogenous testosterone production, easier "biological maintenence" (ie: try dealing with "that time of the month" wearing power armor), better receptors for human growth hormone and testosterone, etc. It's not to say that they couldn't make a female Space Marine, but it just wouldn't make sense to do it.

What would be the difficulty rating to convert the SoB armor to make it look like space marine armor with boobs?

Saying people that want to play females should just play sisters is like saying that people that want to play any form of human should simply play IG.

After the Necron Codex, no real aspect of the 40k fluff is ironclad anymore.

It's a big galaxy, and there are big parts of it that the Imperium don't control.

jmurph wrote:So trying to shoehorn more scifi babes in is bad but only males being "implanted" with "the sacred geneseed" is okay?

Wow.

Yus, this is ok.
I dont play male space marines because they are male, i play them because they kick ass. If i tried to make my space marines female i would have to have a reason for doing so. Such as being a ronery nerd.

Kilkrazy wrote:Female Spase Mariens are awesome.

This sir is pure win

Begone fluff nazis!
I think everyone knows the relevant fluff.

Even if there were female sm what with seroids, baldness and complex hormone suppresants to control periods, you probably wouldn't be able to tel the difference.

Female Imperial Assassins are hot period, they get the job done . IMO I think females in the GW universe got alot of good job occupations available. SOB, Imperial Assassins, Inquisitors or in there retinue, Imperial Guard name in others if you know em. Anyways as we've concluded earlier going completely by fluff you cant(and even tho possible with the warp) wont have Imperial Female Space Marines, but can have Female Chaos Space Marines cause that warp space. If you really want to have Imp Female Space Marines then make no one can stop you just kinda be uncool breaking fluff that all IMO

Are you planning on making an army of Slaaneshi transsexual marines who for some reason want to shape their armor to exaggerate their figures? If so, then sure, marines with breasts would be consistent with the fluff in that case. If you're not trying to do transsexual chaos marines, you're going to have to work a lot harder to justify those models.

Then again, in my opinion the armor design on the Sisters of Battle armor is completely stupid. Space Marine powered armor sure as hell isn't form fitting, why is it any different for them? There simply are not enough angry orkmoticons to express my feelings about that.

Theoretically, it could be important to the Ecclesiarchy to remind people that they don't have any men at arms.

This thread is a continuation of the 556,994,771st Forum Heresy (out of at least 1,000,000,000). Which begs the question: WHY WHY WHYYYYYY?

I am impressed that this has stayed on target for this long, however, and so will contribute. Do traitor marines actually have to rely on geneseed to replenish their ranks? If not, then of course there could be chaos femarines. If so, how are there so many of them still around? (I know that many of the original fallen legionaries can't still be kicking around AND there haven't been that many SM who've fallen.)

I want to know why people want to make female marines. Every single person ive met who wants to do this has little to no reason. Sure they argue if fluff wise, but when you ask why they are hell bent on putting that much effort into making an army of muscle girls they cant give a reason.

I feel its horny nerd syndrome. These guys think boobs are cool, and want to put them on models to make up for their lack of sexual activity. I could be wrong on this, but everyone ive met who wants female marines is sex starved and horny. Thats why im completely opposed to the idea. If you have a legitimate reason for it go ahead. But more boobs is just lame.

Polonius wrote:Saying people that want to play females should just play sisters is like saying that people that want to play any form of human should simply play IG.

.

What about female orks or nids. I guess an ork with breasts is not that appealing

Justified Female Marines -> What a terrible heresy..... we have SOB already.

But if SOB had more various hairstyle, it would be good for them.....

Eidolon wrote:I want to know why people want to make female marines. Every single person ive met who wants to do this has little to no reason. Sure they argue if fluff wise, but when you ask why they are hell bent on putting that much effort into making an army of muscle girls they cant give a reason.

I feel its horny nerd syndrome. These guys think boobs are cool, and want to put them on models to make up for their lack of sexual activity. I could be wrong on this, but everyone ive met who wants female marines is sex starved and horny. Thats why im completely opposed to the idea. If you have a legitimate reason for it go ahead. But more boobs is just lame.

To subvert the adolescent male fantasy homosexual subtext implicit in the 40K fluff.


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Manchu wrote:This thread is a continuation of the 556,994,771st Forum Heresy (out of at least 1,000,000,000). Which begs the question: WHY WHY WHYYYYYY?

I am impressed that this has stayed on target for this long, however, and so will contribute. Do traitor marines actually have to rely on geneseed to replenish their ranks? If not, then of course there could be chaos femarines. If so, how are there so many of them still around? (I know that many of the original fallen legionaries can't still be kicking around AND there haven't been that many SM who've fallen.)

It's always a bad idea to look at the logistics of Space Marines, loyalist or Chaos, because you keep running into the fact they obviously wouldn't work.

Just accept the fluff for what it is.

I think female space marines can work but not in the "carbon copy" way the male space marines are created. And they won't be called "Female Space Marines" but a whole different type of army. Females do have certain advanges over males that would come handy in battle and brute strength doesn't always win the day. That's my 2 cents.

Eidolon wrote:I want to know why people want to make female marines. Every single person ive met who wants to do this has little to no reason. Sure they argue if fluff wise, but when you ask why they are hell bent on putting that much effort into making an army of muscle girls they cant give a reason.

I feel its horny nerd syndrome. These guys think boobs are cool, and want to put them on models to make up for their lack of sexual activity. I could be wrong on this, but everyone ive met who wants female marines is sex starved and horny. Thats why im completely opposed to the idea. If you have a legitimate reason for it go ahead. But more boobs is just lame.

While I don't think there should be Female Space Marines.....I find this argument small minded and amazingly lame.

How can YOU!! who plays with small toy soldiers (like the rest of us) gets all worked up about fluff discrepancy (like the rest of us) have the bare faced cheek to even utter the word "nerd"......not to mention running down someones idea on the basis of their sexual activity?!?! WTF is that all about?

News Flash, this is a fantasy setting, so why have we decided that a female Space Marine needs to be musclar and unattractive? Who gave you the master key to the OPs imagination? Why couldn't a Female Space Marine be based on Xena Warrior Princess....or take Buffy the Vampire slayer, did she have muscle issues....ohh, but everyone readily accepts those fantasy settings without batting an eyelid....strange that! I don't remember Wonder Woman or any of the female Marvel Super-heroes having a problem with body image.....I could run you a whole list of women, who have "fantasy" super human powers, being portrayed quite well with a feminine figure and not a dyke half way through the op to become a man!

My god, this is fantasy....which means, its a hobby where you can express your fantasy within a given context.....I'm a man, I like women, hell I married one, I think about women (alot) and I enjoy imagining various scenarios where women are part of it! Someone wanting women to feature in their fantasy setting is not strange, or twisted.....I'd argue thats what this is all about.

If we followed your logic, then given the degree of slaughter, bigotry and destruction displayed in your average wargame, we must all be closet serial killing, Nazi, terrorists......hell, and there was me thinking I was just having some fun with friends......

@Delephont- Of course nerds have limits! Sure we play with little plastic army men. Does that mean we're not allowed to condemn what we view as the lunatic fringe of our society? RPG nerds have the same split when it comes to trans-gender role playing. Sure you could... but why would you want to?

Oddly, there's no bias for a game or dungeon master impersonating females. After all, that's their job. No one's saying that folks who play Sisters of Battle are sex-crazed teenage boys. If you like the rules and fluff for that army, you must paint up the ladies and run with them.

In short, there is a difference in choosing an existing female race, and feminizing a male race. Is that difference sufficient to justify all this nerd rage? That is something everyone must answer for themselves. If you do sculpt triple Ds on power armor, expect a great many pointed looks, some drama, and a whole lot of awkward questions. Then again, the same thing would happen if you decided to give a Defiler a low-slung battlecannon and devote it to Slaanesh (I'd imagine you know which one I'm talking about). There is something odd about grafting exaggerated sexual parts to your minis.

Delephont wrote:
While I don't think there should be Female Space Marines...

This begs the question why you defend the possibility of FSM in every thread about the non-existant FSM....?

Delephont wrote:
Why couldn't a Female Space Marine be based on Xena Warrior Princess....or take Buffy the Vampire slayer, did she have muscle issues....ohh, but everyone readily accepts those fantasy settings without batting an eyelid..

Maybe not everyone accepts the settings ?


I think the major point here is:

-where are the female orks threads ?
-where are the female tyranids threads ?
-where are the female necrons threads ?

None of them appear. So its acceptable to leave some ideas alone but space marines must be changed to fit a fluff-incompatible POV?

As long as this is 40k background, any denial of things contradicting the available background sources is acceptable.

Still voting for female IG.

1hadhq wrote:

Delephont wrote:
While I don't think there should be Female Space Marines...

This begs the question why you defend the possibility of FSM in every thread about the non-existant FSM....?

Simple answer....I defend the idea, because I don't agree with a bunch of internet heroes trying to bully someone else into their narrow minded and limited ideals on what constitues "healthy" Sci Fi fantasy....

I hope that answers your question!

The lack of understanding of the Tyranid biology implied by the statements in this thread are appalling. There are no female Tyranid threads because there already are female Tyranids. Where do you think all of the little genestealers and guants come from?!? Did you think the Dominatrix was a naming coincidence?!?

It's elementary xenobiology people. Sheesh.

Edit: That, and I don't think there are many people who are good enough sculptors to give Tyranids the Species treatment.

Kilkrazy wrote:It's always a bad idea to look at the logistics of Space Marines, loyalist or Chaos, because you keep running into the fact they obviously wouldn't work.

Just accept the fluff for what it is.

Oh, Killkrazy. Do you sometimes wonder why we have background threads at all?

[rant]In my experience, it's very rare for anyone claiming to want female Space Marines to actually want Space Marines made from female initiates.

Instead they want an army of thin, conventionally human, sexually attractive soldiers with the strength and resilience of genetically engineered monsters twice their size. They're the stereotypical Mary Sue; the fan-created characters that are part of the ranks of pretty much the most elite warriors in existence, but who have none of the drawbacks of the rest of their kind (turning from a human to a war machine, physically and psychologically), who are ignoring the further drawbacks of being physically attractive (despite being in a role that should place no emphasis on attractiveness) with terrible explanations as to why they have absurd anime-style strength for their size (they found a super secret new technology that only they can use... every one of them is a Temple Assassin... they're weak but being physically weak makes them more dangerous in another manner like they're D&D characters with a limited number of points to put into their physical stats, so they count as having a high strength anyways... etc), and who are breaking the established background just by existing. If they have flaws, it's usually some sort of angsty flaw tacked on to make them sympathetic, but it's rarely the kind of flaw they should, logically, be having (no longer being physically attractive, implants adapting poorly to a less than ideal host, etc).

They are nearly always the result of bad writing. Why? Because there is simply very little desire for space marines who wear the same type of armor as men, who undergo the same treatments and implants as men, who end up huge, and scarred, and no longer have breasts of any significance, and no longer have delicate features or other typically feminine traits, and are brainwashed psychopaths only focused on destroying the Imperium's enemies and maintaining loyalty to the chapter.

I should probably say, this isn't universally true. I've seen a few cases of better writing than this, but it's not enough to keep me from being opposed to the idea as a rule.

Also, being "fantasy" has absolutely nothing to do with it. You could make a bunch of lollipop men, or dancing ham sandwiches, and they would exist fine in a "fantasy". That doesn't mean they fit in well with the 40k universe.[/rant]

Applause. Thank you, Inquistor Orekosaurus, for dealing with this heresy.

@ Orkeosaurus

A very interesting argument. Very interesting indeed....however, as much as I like your path of thought, I have to say, theres a few discrepancies that have been made......First of all, you say the feminine hunter killer is not in keeping with the WH40K universe, and you even cite the "Temple Assassin" as an example, and yet.....what are the Temple Assassins? Are the Callidus Temple Assassins, weak? or alternatively hulking monsters scarred from a hundred battles? What about the Sisters of Battle, they're not exactly the match for Marines, but they are above the ranks of Imperial Stormtroopers....which, pretty much makes them killing machines, I'd say!

I don't believe that the people who want Female elite warriors, want Pamela Anderson, as this wouldn't normally be associated with someone willing to fight and die for an ideal, I'd imagine they want something along the lines of Tank Girl....for example.....

No, in fact he said that the temple assassin was the one example of a female with super-human strength despite her normal size.

@ ph34r

But then the whole argument falls apart....I mean, if the Temple Assassin is a justified example of a "cute" woman being a killing machine in the WH40K universe, then why not a cute killing machine Space Marine girlie as well....as opposed to a Female Marine with arms like tree trunks, no breast to speak of, and scars criss crossing her body and face...not to mention bad acne from steriod over dose and implant rejection.

Plus, they pay for it in looks. No one (healthy) wants to see what's under those body suits. (Meant to follow ph34r's post)

dawwww

Maybe we can resolve this by having a calender of similar pictures hung up on the inside of a landraider.

That would be a good project for Christmas.

Delephont wrote:@ Orkeosaurus

A very interesting argument. Very interesting indeed....however, as much as I like your path of thought, I have to say, there's a few discrepancies that have been made......First of all, you say the feminine hunter killer is not in keeping with the WH40K universe, and you even cite the "Temple Assassin" as an example, and yet.....what are the Temple Assassins? Are the Callidus Temple Assassins, weak? or alternatively hulking monsters scarred from a hundred battles?

I mentioned Temple Assassins specifically because they're really among the most absurdly powerful individuals in the Imperium. The use of each individual Temple Assassin requires the High Lords of Terra to personally approve of it. You are essentially barred from using more than one, ever, except in games of Apocalypse.

In a game of Apocalypse, reading the datafax for Officio Assassinorum Execution Force can give you a good idea of just how unique an assassin is; each Temple only trains a handful of assassins every year, and the last time more than one assassin was deployed it was against the Chosen of Abaddon.

And even this absurdly rare gathering of assassins numbers between two and six members. Saying that your entire army is composed of their equivalent is similar to saying that your eldar army is composed of nothing but Harlequin Solitaires (or their equivalents), or that every Chaos Marine in your army has been elevated to Daemon Prince (or, once again, the equivalent).

A Callidus Assassin is far from weak, and far from physically bulky. Since they do not ideally put themselves in harm way they're unlikely to have sustained major injuries, although what they look like is really a matter of what they're doing with their Polymorphine at the time. I would be surprised if the constant use of drugs and surgical implants did render them rather... unhealthy, I suppose, looking when not changing their image.

The method in which any Temple Assassin is created is pretty much known only to the Officio Assassinorum (as is the location of their temple; Culexus being a partial exception). One thing that is known is that they recieve a battery of implants and surgical alterations specific to the temple in question, along with training as strict as can possibly be made, from a very young age, with only the rarest of individuals qualifying. It's also known that they wear something called Synthskin, which acts as a form of powered armor, both protecting them and boosting their strength considerably. Digital weapons, alien technology (a la the C'Tan Phase Blade), and more exotic artifacts kept close to the temple are also used.

What about the Sisters of Battle, they're not exactly the match for Marines, but they are above the ranks of Imperial Stormtroopers....which, pretty much makes them killing machines, I'd say!

Actually, I recall them being essentially trained to the same standards, excluding the religious fanaticism instilled in the Sisters. (I would think the Stormtrooper companies would except female applicants as well, assuming that they're able to perform the same tasks, and that they haven't already been claimed as initiates to one of the Sororitas orders/Commissariat).

Both groups are killing machines, trained to the highest levels of any modern day special forces, and given a deep psychological indoctrination and set of equipment to boot. However, this is simply a good example of the limit that a human fighter, man or woman, is going to reach. Even wearing Power Armor, a Sister of Battle isn't going to have anything close to the strength of a basic Tactical Marine. Or even a Scout. And while no woman is going to naturally have anything near the musculature of a Catachan man, even he is going to be quite a bit weaker than a Space Marine.

I don't doubt that there are effective female combatants in 40k, but while a brainwashed soldier who trains for hours every day and is given a set of powerful armor and weaponry is going to be a killing machine in any modern sense, it still puts them quite a bit behind a brainwashed soldier who trains for hours every day, is given a set of powerful armor and weaponry, and is an eight-foot tall genetically altered fighter with a solid ribcage, artificially dense bone structure, second heart, instantly clotting blood, brain that can go without sleep for days on end without losing function, and potentially centuries of active service.

I don't believe that the people who want Female elite warriors, want Pamela Anderson, as this wouldn't normally be associated with someone willing to fight and die for an ideal, I'd imagine they want something along the lines of Tank Girl....for example.....

My problem is that a Space Marine is far above an elite warrior; they're an eight foot tall construct built for war. The Cadians are excellently trained, far better than any modern army is I'd bet, and a female soldier from their ranks is going to be badass in any modern definition (it's required just to keep up; if you can't maintain a lasgun as a young child you're way behind the curve). It just doesn't compare to a Space Marine, though. They lose their humanity when they decide to defend it.


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(Jesus, I never meant to write such a treatise on the subject!)

I play Hello Kitty Marines. The ones without kitty helmets are female and have long hair and such but I don't bother with putting breasts on the armor. You see women in the army? They don't have huge breasts.

All well and good. Now can we get back to this calender? (Face it, that's really what every one of these threads is really about.)

solkan wrote:The lack of understanding of the Tyranid biology implied by the statements in this thread are appalling. There are no female Tyranid threads because there already are female Tyranids. Where do you think all of the little genestealers and guants come from?!? Did you think the Dominatrix was a naming coincidence?!?

It's elementary xenobiology people. Sheesh.

Edit: That, and I don't think there are many people who are good enough sculptors to give Tyranids the Species treatment.

Well, thank you for that image. Now I need to purge my mind with some brain bleach and napalm mixture.

Manchu wrote:All well and good. Now can we get back to this calender? (Face it, that's really what every one of these threads is really about.)

We have to know if it's a leap year/leap millennium/both.

Then we have to remember that every month is named after the Emperor.

Are there twelve months called Emperor? That's all we need to know, how many pictures there should be.

Empuary

Impuary

Empch

Impril

Empay

Junperor

Julimparitor

August

Emptember

Emptober

Impvember

Empcember

Now that that's settled, bring on the calender girls.

Jan: Ultramarines
Feb:
Mar:
Apr:
May:
Jun:
Jul:
Aug:
Sept:
Nov:
Dec:

please continue

Delephont wrote:@ ph34r

But then the whole argument falls apart....I mean, if the Temple Assassin is a justified example of a "cute" woman being a killing machine in the WH40K universe, then why not a cute killing machine Space Marine girlie as well....as opposed to a Female Marine with arms like tree trunks, no breast to speak of, and scars criss crossing her body and face...not to mention bad acne from steriod over dose and implant rejection.

Because physically thats the way it works. Space marines probably have colossal man boobs and tiny penises. But a space marine built like your average porn star is rubbish.

And please, I dont remember who said it but someone mentioned girls have different advantages in a fight then men. This simply isnt true. I have known a few girls who fought professionally in various MMA/muay thai events. All were ripped and muscular. I know a girl who can put her feet by her face without using her hands, that wont help her any.

Like i said its a reason to push more sexuality into the game. Its no different then furries wanting to play their fursona in d&d or whatever.

Jan: Ultramarines
Feb:
Mar:
Apr:
May:
Jun:
Jul: Salamanders (It's hot out)
Aug:
Sept:
Nov:
Dec:

Jan: Ultramarines
Feb:
Mar:
Apr:
May:
Jun:
Jul: Salamanders
Aug:
Sept:
Oct: Nightlords or Death Guard? Which are spookier?
Nov:
Dec:

Night Lords, definitely.

Jan: Ultramarines
Feb:
Mar:
Apr:
May:
Jun:
Jul: Salamanders
Aug:
Sept:
Oct: Nightlords
Nov: Imperial Fists. Let's face it, they're a bunch of turkeys.
Dec:

Jan: Ultramarines
Feb: Space Wolves--cause this is a cold, cold month
Mar:
Apr:
May:
Jun:
Jul: Salamanders
Aug:
Sept:
Oct: Nightlords
Nov: Imperial Fists
Dec:

Jan: Ultramarines
Feb: Space Wolves
Mar:
Apr:
May: Dark Angels. Who else do expect to find dancing around a may pole?
Jun:
Jul: Salamanders
Aug:
Sept:
Oct: Nightlords
Nov: Imperial Fists
Dec:

Delephont wrote:If we followed your logic, then given the degree of slaughter, bigotry and destruction displayed in your average wargame, we must all be closet serial killing, Nazi, terrorists......hell, and there was me thinking I was just having some fun with friends......

1) Chillax, its just a game, I wouldent do it, it violates the fluff, and in all likelyhood, would hardly act like a male space marine, givin that they are bouth jacked up on so many stimms and wear form concealing power armor and that he is chemically castrated (or did that get retconned? or not confermed at all?) but dude, to each his (or her) own, cut 'im some slack and try not to make anyone ever regret posting something.

2) Godwin's law, hurr-hurr

EDIT: Arrg! ninja'ed by calander girls!

Orkeosaurus wrote:Who else do expect to find dancing around a may pole?

Ahhhh, well said!

Jan: Ultramarines
Feb: Space Wolves
Mar:
Apr:
May: Dark Angels
Jun:
Jul: Salamanders
Aug:
Sept:
Oct: Nightlords
Nov: Imperial Fists
Dec: World Eaters--Santa wears red, right?

Good call.

Jan: Ultramarines
Feb: Space Wolves
Mar:
Apr:
May: Dark Angels
Jun:
Jul: Salamanders
Aug:
Sept: Alpha Legion; you best get yo backpack son, they takin' ya ta school!
Oct: Night Lords
Nov: Imperial Fists
Dec: World Eaters


(Alright, that one's a stretch.)

Jan: Ultramarines
Feb: Space Wolves
Mar:
Apr:
May: Dark Angels
Jun: Blood Angels, because June is such a warm, happy month
Jul: Salamanders
Aug:
Sept: Alpha Legion
Oct: Night Lords
Nov: Imperial Fists
Dec: World Eaters

(After Santa Kharn, they're all going to be a stretch.)

June is when the mosquitoes start to come out, so that works out great.

Jan: Ultramarines
Feb: Space Wolves
Mar: I bet the Black Templars march into battle. That's close enough for our standards!
Apr:
May: Dark Angels
Jun: Blood Angels, because June is such a warm, happy month
Jul: Salamanders
Aug:
Sept: Alpha Legion
Oct: Night Lords
Nov: Imperial Fists
Dec: World Eaters

Jan: Ultramarines
Feb: Space Wolves
Mar: Black Templars (ugh, second founding--but they do have their own codex and how hot would the girl be for this month?)
Apr: Emperor's Children--springtime for Tzeentch
May: Dark Angels
Jun: Blood Angels
Jul: Salamanders
Aug:
Sept: Alpha Legion
Oct: Night Lords
Nov: Imperial Fists
Dec: World Eaters

You know EC are Slaanesh, right?

Jan: Ultramarines
Feb: Space Wolves
Mar: Black Templars
Apr: Emperor's Children
May: Dark Angels
Jun: Blood Angels
Jul: Salamanders
Aug: Rainbow Warriors. Finally it won't be such an embarrassing name!
Sept: Alpha Legion
Oct: Night Lords
Nov: Imperial Fists
Dec: World Eaters

Thanks for the correction. Golden Throne, what a mistake! I must not have been thinking. Someone get a commissar to shoot me.

Well to keep this thread from recuperating into something like the usual femarine threads, I think we better go ahead and describe the visual content of each month's picture.

Jan: Blond Ultra-chick in powerbikini saluting the flag of Ultramar.
Feb:
Mar:
Apr:
May:
Jun:
Jul:
Aug:
Sept
Oct:
Nov:
Dec:

Jan: Blond Ultra-chick in powerbikini saluting the flag of Ultramar.
Feb:
Mar:
Apr:
May:
Jun:
Jul: Salamander dressed like a sexy (female) firefighter.
Aug:
Sept
Oct:
Nov:
Dec:

Jan: Blond Ultra-chick in powerbikini saluting the flag of Ultramar.
Feb:
Mar:
Apr:
May:
Jun:
Jul: Salamander dressed like a sexy (female) firefighter.
Aug:
Sept
Oct:
Nov: Oiled girl in yellow and red polka dot bikini smeared with slight grease and dirt holding a sledge hammer.
Dec:

Jan: Blond Ultra-chick in powerbikini saluting the flag of Ultramar.
Feb:
Mar:
Apr:
May:
Jun:
Jul: Salamander dressed like a sexy (female) firefighter.
Aug:
Sept
Oct:
Nov:
Dec: World Eater getting a new Chainaxe from Santa?

@Eidolon: Impressive. Most impressive.

Jan: Blond Ultra-chick in powerbikini saluting the flag of Ultramar.
Feb:
Mar:
Apr:
May:
Jun:
Jul: Salamander dressed like a sexy (female) firefighter.
Aug:
Sept
Oct:
Nov: Oiled girl in yellow and red polka dot bikini smeared with slight grease and dirt holding a sledge hammer.
Dec: Hot psychotic babe in torn santa outfit bursting from giant backage on top of hill of skulls with twin chainswords "Milk for the milk god! Cookies for the cookie throne!"

Female Space Marines? No.
Female Chaos Marines? Yes. (Warp, as the OP mentionned)
Female Imperial Guards? Yes.

Jan: Blond Ultra-chick in powerbikini saluting the flag of Ultramar.
Feb:
Mar:
Apr: Girl in pink and black striped bikini, wearing headphones and smoking/drinking. A rather impressive bulge is noticeable in her pants.
May:
Jun:
Jul: Salamander dressed like a sexy (female) firefighter.
Aug: Rainbow warriors were aztec. So how about a latina with a stone knife and a multi-colored feather bikini.
Sept
Oct:
Nov: Oiled girl in yellow and red polka dot bikini smeared with slight grease and dirt holding a sledge hammer.
Dec: Hot psychotic babe in torn santa outfit bursting from giant backage on top of hill of skulls with twin chainswords "Milk for the milk god! Cookies for the cookie throne!"

The EC one is perfect. Frighteningly perfect.

Jan: Blond Ultra-chick in powerbikini saluting the flag of Ultramar.
Feb:
Mar:
Apr: Girl in pink and black striped bikini, wearing headphones and smoking/drinking. A rather impressive bulge is noticeable in her pants.
May:
Jun:
Jul: Salamander dressed like a sexy (female) firefighter.
Aug: Rainbow warriors were aztec. So how about a latina with a stone knife and a multi-colored feather bikini.
Sept: Twin hotties in blue and green plaid school girl uniforms back to back holding hands and giving the camera a pouty, smoldering look. One is winking.
Oct:
Nov: Oiled girl in yellow and red polka dot bikini smeared with slight grease and dirt holding a sledge hammer.
Dec: Hot psychotic babe in torn santa outfit bursting from giant backage on top of hill of skulls with twin chainswords "Milk for the milk god! Cookies for the cookie throne!"

Jan: Blond Ultra-chick in powerbikini saluting the flag of Ultramar.
Feb:
Mar:
Apr: Girl in pink and black striped bikini, wearing headphones and smoking/drinking. A rather impressive bulge is noticeable in her pants.
May: A woman dressed in traditionally men's clothing.
Jun:
Jul: Salamander dressed like a sexy (female) firefighter.
Aug: Rainbow warriors were aztec. So how about a latina with a stone knife and a multi-colored feather bikini.
Sept: Twin hotties in blue and green plaid school girl uniforms back to back holding hands and giving the camera a pouty, smoldering look. One is winking.
Oct:
Nov: Oiled girl in yellow and red polka dot bikini smeared with slight grease and dirt holding a sledge hammer.
Dec: Hot psychotic babe in torn santa outfit bursting from giant backage on top of hill of skulls with twin chainswords "Milk for the milk god! Cookies for the cookie throne!"

Sisters of battle are a less played army anyway. Just play them.


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Jan: Blond Ultra-chick in powerbikini saluting the flag of Ultramar.
Feb:
Mar:
Apr: Girl in pink and black striped bikini, wearing headphones and smoking/drinking. A rather impressive bulge is noticeable in her pants.
May: A woman dressed in traditionally men's clothing.
Jun:
Jul: Salamander dressed like a sexy (female) firefighter.
Aug: Rainbow warriors were aztec. So how about a latina with a stone knife and a multi-colored feather bikini.
Sept: Twin hotties in blue and green plaid school girl uniforms back to back holding hands and giving the camera a pouty, smoldering look. One is winking.
Oct: African girl in skin tight fetish gear, holding a whip, with shading to obscure her widely grinning face.
Nov: Oiled girl in yellow and red polka dot bikini smeared with slight grease and dirt holding a sledge hammer.
Dec: Hot psychotic babe in torn santa outfit bursting from giant backage on top of hill of skulls with twin chainswords "Milk for the milk god! Cookies for the cookie throne!"



I'm not a lesbian it just looked like fun....

@CanonnessRory: I don't completely get yours. Must be a lesbian thing.

Jan: Blond Ultra-chick in powerbikini saluting the flag of Ultramar.
Feb: Freckly red head in a horned helmet and wearing a fur, bone, and ceremite bikini decorated with wolf skulls chugging a stein of mead and leaning on a battle axe. Oh, and she's standing on a pile of dead orks while it snows.
Mar:
Apr: Girl in pink and black striped bikini, wearing headphones and smoking/drinking. A rather impressive bulge is noticeable in her pants.
May: A woman dressed in traditionally men's clothing.
Jun:
Jul: Salamander dressed like a sexy (female) firefighter.
Aug: Rainbow warriors were aztec. So how about a latina with a stone knife and a multi-colored feather bikini.
Sept: Twin hotties in blue and green plaid school girl uniforms back to back holding hands and giving the camera a pouty, smoldering look. One is winking.
Oct: African girl in skin tight fetish gear, holding a whip, with shading to obscure her widely grinning face.
Nov: Oiled girl in yellow and red polka dot bikini smeared with slight grease and dirt holding a sledge hammer.
Dec: Hot psychotic babe in torn santa outfit bursting from giant backage on top of hill of skulls with twin chainswords "Milk for the milk god! Cookies for the cookie throne!"

Jan: Blond Ultra-chick in powerbikini saluting the flag of Ultramar.
Feb: Beastiality. (SKIMPY) Fur Coats. Bear traps? Maybe.
Mar:
Apr: Girl in pink and black striped bikini, wearing headphones and smoking/drinking. A rather impressive bulge is noticeable in her pants.
May: A woman dressed in traditionally men's clothing.
Jun: Sexy vampire chicks with very revealing black latex.
Jul: Salamander dressed like a sexy (female) firefighter.
Aug: Rainbow warriors were aztec. So how about a latina with a stone knife and a multi-colored feather bikini.
Sept: Twin hotties in blue and green plaid school girl uniforms back to back holding hands and giving the camera a pouty, smoldering look. One is winking.
Oct: African girl in skin tight fetish gear, holding a whip, with shading to obscure her widely grinning face.
Nov: Oiled girl in yellow and red polka dot bikini smeared with slight grease and dirt holding a sledge hammer.
Dec: Hot psychotic babe in torn santa outfit bursting from giant backage on top of hill of skulls with twin chainswords "Milk for the milk god! Cookies for the cookie throne!"

BT get stripper with templar symbols over her nipples?

Jan: Blond Ultra-chick in powerbikini saluting the flag of Ultramar.
Feb: Freckly red head in a horned helmet and wearing a fur, bone, and ceremite bikini decorated with wolf skulls chugging a stein of mead and leaning on a battle axe. Oh, and she's standing on a pile of dead orks while it snows.
Mar: A stripper with Maltese Crosses over her nipples. And a sword, probably.
Apr: Girl in pink and black striped bikini, wearing headphones and smoking/drinking. A rather impressive bulge is noticeable in her pants.
May: A woman dressed in traditionally men's clothing.
Jun: Sexy vampire chicks with very revealing black latex.
Jul: Salamander dressed like a sexy (female) firefighter.
Aug: Rainbow warriors were aztec. So how about a latina with a stone knife and a multi-colored feather bikini.
Sept: Twin hotties in blue and green plaid school girl uniforms back to back holding hands and giving the camera a pouty, smoldering look. One is winking.
Oct: African girl in skin tight fetish gear, holding a whip, with shading to obscure her widely grinning face.
Nov: Oiled girl in yellow and red polka dot bikini smeared with slight grease and dirt holding a sledge hammer.
Dec: Hot psychotic babe in torn santa outfit bursting from giant backage on top of hill of skulls with twin chainswords "Milk for the milk god! Cookies for the cookie throne!"



I AM COMPLETE!

Well, if that doesn't derail this awful thread I don't know what else will. But I warn all of you: I'm not above using this space to script out a femarine porno if you keep up this heretical nonsense. (But I won't be goaded into it, for the pervs that wouldn't be deterred by that.)

My fapping hand is at the ready sir. Do write away.

Lol. Or, I guess we could just get the thread locked for being creepy. Either way.

@ Manchu

I'm not sure why you would want to derail the thread in such a way.....if you don't like the conversation, why not just not get involved?

Still, I guess thats a good few hours of your life that you've wasted....

@ Orkeosaurus

Yeas, I follow your arguments, and in the main I agree. If you read my previous, early posts, my suggestion to the OP was to leave well enough alone with the Marines, and concentrate rather on creating his own army, moulded to which ever gender he wants......

It seems however, that you're against female "super soldiers" whether they be Marines or not (if I have understood correctly?)....if I'm correct, then I really don't follow your logic at all.

Whether an army of Imperial Assassins (or their equivalent) seems like an impossibility to you or not, is hardly the point, we're talking about a Sci Fi fantasy game, and psuedo science babble can account for such an occurance.....the point here, and the point I've been making from the start really, is that the only limitation in this hobby is your imagination.....

Personally im not against female marines as a general idea. But the fact is that taking the amount of drugs and hormones required to be marines means they would hardly look like women anymore. So whats the point. Most people realize this. Then people want to model huge boobs and tiny waists so the girls look like whatever females were in the most recent anime they watched. I have an issue with this, as its stupid.

Delephont wrote:It seems however, that you're against female "super soldiers" whether they be Marines or not (if I have understood correctly?)....if I'm correct, then I really don't follow your logic at all.

There are many different levels of "super soldier". Between the brainwashing, constant training, and rare equipment, the Sisters of Battle could easily be considered super soldiers. They're certainly far more dangerous than the standing army of nearly any planet.

I'm against thin, cute, sexually attractive females being made into a force equivalent to Space Marines, within the confines of the 40k universe.

Whether an army of Imperial Assassins (or their equivalent) seems like an impossibility to you or not, is hardly the point, we're talking about a Sci Fi fantasy game, and psuedo science babble can account for such an occurance.....

And I can account for an army of dancing ham sandwiches. You see, the Emperor had a pig who he loved very much, and he made the pig a primarch... Anyone can make up a justification for anything. How many movies have you seen that take place in "the real world" and have ghosts or aliens or magic? You can always account for it, if there are no standards.

What matters is what's good thematically. Making an army entirely composed of people who are only ever deployed individually (outside of games of Apocalypse) due to such extreme skill and rarity is stupid. It's like making your Chapter Master more powerful than the Emperor. It's like making your Imperial Guard platoon kill off twice their number in Chaos Terminators with "tactics". It's bad writting.

@Delephont: You call that calendar list a waste of hours of my life? That idea is one of the best things (or only things, more accurately) to come out of one of these femarine threads! As for why the thread is ridiculous, please see Eidolon's post directly below yours or Orkeosaurus's posts above. You're a dakka vet, Del, you know there is no new ground on this topic. I'd welcome a femarine thread that actually produced something, like Doctor Thunder's fan fic about the Blood Widows (incredibly long and contentious femarine thread here, actual content here) or pics of something an intrepid modeler has already put together (as I think Doctor Thunder had). Point being, searching the forum brings up plenty of pre-existent discussion on this topic. While we're at it, does anyone want to chime in on Chaos Tau, the Two Lost Legions, or what happened to the Squats?

Now to begin making good on my threat . . .

Manchu Pictures presents:

In the grim darkness of the future, there are only whores.

W40k: SAPPHOMUNDA

Scene 1 -- Covent Sanctorum on Ophelia VII: the room is dark, the sisters are buxom; sisters are gathered around a large stone table

Dramatis Personae: Mother Superior; a stern MILF, Sister Hottenbotherd; the eager one, Sister Swallows; very flexible, Sister Barely; just turned 18

[Sisters are giggling and talking; enter Mother Superior; she cracks a riding crop on the table surface]

Mother Superior: I've called this meeting to address the issue of the Space Foxxx chapter of female Space Marines.

Sister Hottenbotherd: (with much pout) It's not fair! We're supposed to be the only daughters of the Emperor worthy of power armor!

Sister Swallows: Those impious harlots are stealing a heretical amount of attention from us!

Mother Superior: (darkly, with sexy conviction) Yes, they must be punished forthwith.

Sister Barely: But how, mother superior?

Mother Superior: There is only one option. We must disguise ourselves as Slaaneshi cultists and corrupt their flesh.

Sister Swallows: But mother superior, we don't know anything about Slaanesh worship or the unclean arts.

Mother Superior: That is why I have obtained this, the Codex Kamasutricus, from the librarium of forbidden texts! And these modified excrutiator wands!

[all initiates gasp and huddle together in a sexy, fearful fashon]

Sister Hottenbotherd: (lips quivering) You mean, we will be forced to do unnatural things . . .

Mother Superior: For the Emperor! Remove your power armor, sisters.

[sororitas-on-sororitas nastiness ensues]

Sister Hottenbotherd: What will we do now that we have studied the ruinous positions?

Mother Superior: We will employ these demonic powers of seduction on the Space Foxxx Marines. Then I will call on an old friend for help.

Sister Swallows: Who, mother superior?

Mother Superior: Inquisitor Ron Jeremy of Ordos Libido!

The problem with female marines is that people end up expecting work of this subtlety and quality


It's been done already.

@ Manchu:

nice sisters. Wouldnt they be purged?

Maybe a sacrifice is needed to get rid of that femarine foxxys.

We could detract this thread to female chaos tau or squats are the unknown legion or another x VS y or good or evil poll.

But still the sillyness of "fantasy super heroes" in a universe of super killy weaponry surprises me.
Its the grimdark and it is only war. That means none shall live. So those super heroes gonna be as dead as the common guardsmen,
maybe later than sooner but still dead.

May i suggest again female IG........

no superpowers, but need's time and work.

@ 1hadhq: As to whether the Sisters of Porn, I mean, Battle would be purged for practicing the "unclean arts," I'd reckon that Inquisitor Jeremy is a radical and so thinks that that averting chaos justifies employing chaos. Maybe he and Sister MILF worked together in the past and she was already familiar with his . . . style. Or maybe Ordos Libido is like a sexy Witch Hunters and the whole porno is just about testing the loyalty (and other prowess) of the Space Foxxx chapter.

To paraphrase Delephont's view of 40k background, the only limit to porn is your imagination . . .

Hey, and good point about the female Guard. It really says something about this topic that no one ever brings up the entirely justifiable ranks of female IG but this femarine nonsense is constantly discussed.

Im gonna start an army of female chaos necrons. They escaped their tomb world, and have allied with a rogue splinter fleet of the tyranids. Together they must carve a path to the tau empire to warn them of the impending doom of the galaxy.

For modeling i will use a mix of crons with boobs sculpted on them. In addition because of the cron/nid tech sharing wraiths will be ravenor models. And pariahs will be genestealers. Anyone who thinks this idea is stupid is a fluff nazi and needs to get a life ^___^



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Also, to express my fetish for dominatrix robot on lizard action, all models will be modeled with appropriate sexual stuff.

Don't just stand there, man. Mount them on Cold Ones!

Manchu wrote:It really says something about this topic that no one ever brings up the entirely justifiable ranks of female IG but this femarine nonsense is constantly discussed.

Manchu, it's the internet. Put a bunch of hormone filled teenagers in the same area and watch as these topics spring up regularily. We could castrate them all, but then we'd be no better than the Tau

Manchu wrote:Don't just stand there, man. Mount them on Cold Ones!

Exactly

The xenos cant allow the imperium/choas to have all the cavalry units.

metallifan wrote:Manchu, it's the internet.

I know, I know. I'm contrbuting. Did you read my script for the first scene of Sapphomunda? (Just trying to fit in, ya know.)

1hadhq wrote:The xenos cant allow the imperium/choas to have all the cavalry units.

But to counter the threat of Cold One-mounted ladycrons, the Imperium gets hulking femarines for the commissars to ride around on, right?

My next army. Necron warriors with genestealer arms riding cold ones. Counts as thunderwolf cavalry.

Eidolon wrote:Im gonna start an army of female chaos necrons. They escaped their tomb world, and have allied with a rogue splinter fleet of the tyranids. Together they must carve a path to the tau empire to warn them of the impending doom of the galaxy.

For modeling i will use a mix of crons with boobs sculpted on them. In addition because of the cron/nid tech sharing wraiths will be ravenor models. And pariahs will be genestealers. Anyone who thinks this idea is stupid is a fluff nazi and needs to get a life ^___^



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Also, to express my fetish for dominatrix robot on lizard action, all models will be modeled with appropriate sexual stuff.

I'm not sure what's worse - the fact that it's a Necron with pointless boobs, or the fact that someone actually took the time to make a decent piece of artwork out of it...

*Shakes head*

Metallifan wrote:I'm not sure what's worse - the fact that it's a Necron with pointless boobs, or the fact that someone actually took the time to make a decent piece of artwork out of it...

*Shakes head*

Manchu wrote:

...

EDIT: Or the fact that the Necron actually has more bodymass than that err... zombie-skeleton looking creature that at one time I suspect was a woman.

I think she's a Necron Lord . . . er, Lady that the Space Foxxx chapter Captain Gozangas has been sent to eliminate.

Those so-called pointless boobs are the power nacelles for her enhanced "We'll Be Back" field.

Ugh, pro ana girls make me sad

What is this "pointless boobs" you speak of? Oh! You mean because she hasn't any nipples?

Eidolon wrote:Ugh, pro ana girls make me sad

Aye, so breakable. Have you seen the models show that branched off of Project Runway ("Make it work!")? It's like a show about a zoo that only has half-starved giraffes made out of glass. (Yeah, I watch Project Runway with my gf, wanna fight about it?)

You have a girlfriend? That's pretty gay, bro.

But she's so FABULOUS!

Here's what happened when I spent a bit too much time on photoshop:



I know she a SoB not a FSM, but she's still buff.

Um. Her thighs are.

You know they had real GW female space marine figs from the Rogue Trader days. My friend had some of these and pretty much look like this unconverted, kinda of clunky and butch but molds/design weren't that great back in those days. Well I guess it would be sort of Heretical but you should see the Space Wolf 13th company Wulfen, heck, they had fangs, claws, and werewolf manes from the last edition of 40k (a foot in Chaos, perhaps?). I think those guys were so wolf-like they didn't have a shooting attack, just pure close combat with 2 claws each, but don't know if those guys made it to the new shiny codex.

Sister Stern wrote:You know they had real GW female space marine figs from the Rogue Trader days. My friend had some of these and pretty much look like this unconverted, kinda of clunky and butch but molds/design weren't that great back in those days.

Word around town is that those were just generic females in power armor (called "adventurers"), and not true Space Marines (although there was confusion over what they were supposed to be, and some were mispackaged).

I can't remember where I first heard it though, so no guarantees.

Well I guess it would be sort of Heretical but you should see the Space Wolf 13th company Wulfen, heck, they had fangs, claws, and werewolf manes from the last edition of 40k (a foot in Chaos, perhaps?). I think those guys were so wolf-like they didn't have a shooting attack, just pure close combat with 2 claws each, but don't know if those guys made it to the new shiny codex.

From what I read there are a few squads that can take the Mark of the Wulfen on one of the models.

No squads of only Wolfen though. Presumably they've been replaced by the somehow less sensible wolf cavalry.

Sister Stern wrote:You know they had real GW female space marine figs from the Rogue Trader days. My friend had some of these and pretty much look like this unconverted, kinda of clunky and butch but molds/design weren't that great back in those days. Well I guess it would be sort of Heretical but you should see the Space Wolf 13th company Wulfen, heck, they had fangs, claws, and werewolf manes from the last edition of 40k (a foot in Chaos, perhaps?). I think those guys were so wolf-like they didn't have a shooting attack, just pure close combat with 2 claws each, but don't know if those guys made it to the new shiny codex.

I'll see your female humanoid in power armor and raise you two hermaphrodites and three more of questionable gender.

The female RT "marine" was an actually an "adventurer". There are no canon female marines. There never will be.

Hey I'll go to sea or space for that matter with a female space marine.
Seriously, what ever makes for a good story, and enriches they hobby we love. I am for it. If female space marines make the hobby more accessable to a bigger demograph, a different generation players, even more females great!

Kilkrazy wrote:

Is that Sonic?

Too bad that isn't an official GW figure. I've seen that scuplt floating around 'the Google' for years now. It's still a really nice sculpt, but yea. Not official. Just some fanwork.

agree 100% awesome figure!

That's just Samus! What does she have to do with 40K?

Just showing everyone what they're actually lusting after.

When did this become about a discussion about lust?

Looks to me like the guys who are shouting loudest about this being soooOOOooo wrong, are the ones caught on a sexual fantasy trip.....

I don't remember the OP mentioning he wanted his Female Marines to objects of sexual attraction.......

Why so serious, Delephont?

The problem I have with femarines threads is that they have all already happened. Search the forum. Don't make us go through it again and again and again. And if we have to, don't blame me for spicing it up with some original content.

All threads have already happened.

Everything that is happening has already happened. Everything will happen again.

@ Manchu

If you started a thread, and you wanted your thoughts to be discussed and taken seriously

If someone then came along and derailed your thread based on the fact that they either didn't like the content, or the thread subject.....

....I would defend your thread in the same way!

KK watched Battlestar.

Femarine threads are at least as bad as necromancy. I can't see how that's not the case.

Delephont wrote:Looks to me like the guys who are shouting loudest about this being soooOOOooo wrong, are the ones caught on a sexual fantasy trip.....

Not my fault, Manchu made me.

I just wanted to fit in.

Delephont wrote:If you started a thread, and you wanted your thoughts to be discussed and taken seriously

After being corrected on this score, I've learned to search the forum before posting something. If the past thread doesn't answer my question, then I start a new one. Otherwise, I let the matter drop.


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Orkeosaurus wrote:I just wanted to fit in.

Hey little buddy, don't let anybody make you feel bad for wanting to fit in. Now get back to fitting in!!!

Its not just about Female Marines anymore, though is it.....its about this forum still being a place where people can come and discuss their hobby with like minded individuals....

Not every thread will be interesting to every forum member, that sure as hell doesn't mean its right to come in, belittle the guy, call him a pervert and then proceed to do all in your power to either get the thread locked, or make it so unreadable, that anyone who actually is interested in the content, has to sift through a load of irrelevant ramblings....

If you detest the subject so much, why not just walk on by, you've made it clear you don't like the idea, so why not leave it at that?

I guess the idea of female Space Marines is so bad for you that you want no mention of it on this forum or any other, ever again......ok, thats your call.....I hope you never bring up a subject and its treated the same way!

Delephont wrote:I hope you never bring up a subject and its treated the same way!

One again . . .

Manchu wrote:

Delephont wrote:If you started a thread, and you wanted your thoughts to be discussed and taken seriously

After being corrected on this score, I've learned to search the forum before posting something. If the past thread doesn't answer my question, then I start a new one. Otherwise, I let the matter drop.

I.e., I am not interested in personally attacking OP here (who was aware of the inflammatory nature of this topic) or anywhere else. The community expects certain standards from me and I expect those standards from them.

Sorry for the, almost, double post

There were like three posts added while I was typing....my bad.

I think we've both done this to death now, and made our points clear.

I'll let you carry on with your WH40K porn and calender!

Might as well join the fun, my friend, and make this thread worthwhile somehow.

As the person who created the thread, I don't care anymore where this is going. By page two I had gotten everything I wanted from it, and my questions were solved.


Now, I actually wish to see this calendar made, and I can imagine something like it appearing in the room of a pervy Guardsman.

This entire thread is just an excuse to be sexist isnt it

What's wrong with being sexy?

Caelun Niveus wrote:Now, I actually wish to see this calendar made, and I can imagine something like it appearing in the room of a pervy Guardsman.

The proof, my dear dakkaites, is in the pudding, is it not? From gak to gold.

I can imagine something like that calendar appearing on BL's Christmas season to-do list.

If I go Chaos, I'll convert some Sisters of Battle into mutated Slaaneshi marines. That would be an interesting conversation piece.

Well as an open minded and experience gamer. ill add to this

- it is possible, that the 2nd Legion, who was known for mutations thus why the emperor demanded they be wiped out, may have had survivors
that in their gene seed, allowed females to be recruited...
- mutated gene seed does allow creation of new marines, like the the soul drinkers novels, they were plangued by mutation and could have created
new marines but chose to cure their mutations rather than created more mutants
- as has been said, turning a human into a space marine is a very selective process, so only very few pass the tests to become marines, much as it would
take more effort out of girls to match the boys levels of fitness it can still be done

the ideal of space marines 'only' being male, came from back when 40K first started, it was 20 staff members, (all male), and given the task of writing up
the fluff for these 20 legions....just 2 of the staff members quit/were fired before they finished

people need to be a bit more flexible and stop the sexist "no female marines' crap

I would love female Marines.

The issue is that people misunderstand how they would look like.

A squad of five female Space Marines would look roughly like this.



Ridiculously massive armour tends to kinda smooth out the gender differences you know, and if it wouldn't, then the steroids, gene manipulation and everything would.

And I agree that it fits better with Chaos.

A 4 year necro...
Impressive.

WHAT? I did not notice the posting date.

>.< I apologise, I should have checked first.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
I would love female Marines.

The issue is that people misunderstand how they would look like.

A squad of five female Space Marines would look roughly like this.

Spoiler:

Ridiculously massive armour tends to kinda smooth out the gender differences you know, and if it wouldn't, then the steroids, gene manipulation and everything would.

And I agree that it fits better with Chaos.

this. people are assuming that a female marine would only be justified for the purpose of making marines with sexual attractive qualities. but ths is why we have siters of battle . JK.
also, n-n-n-necroed!