lord_blackfang wrote:The ones that cost as much as a SW have wings. Regular ones cost the same as before.
JD is right regarding Swarms, they never score.

next line is important. It implies you can trade the bonesword for talons (giving two pairs) and the trade both pairs for those previous deathspitters or devourers. So a double dakkatyrant is still legal.

May exchange ONE pair of scything talons for ONE of the following weapons

chaos0xomega wrote:

next line is important. It implies you can trade the bonesword for talons (giving two pairs) and the trade both pairs for those previous deathspitters or devourers. So a double dakkatyrant is still legal.

I would like to direct you to the NEXT sentence...

May exchange ONE pair of scything talons for ONE of the following weapons

You trade the bonesword for talons, yes, but you cant trade both pairs of scything talons for two deathspitters or devourers, just one...

Redemption wrote:

warpcrafter wrote:So, does the Tervigon take up an HQ slot? That would be really irritating, because I was planning on taking two Hive Tyrants. Perhaps they're like the generic greater Daemon, which doesn't take up a FOC slot but is treated like an HQ (?).

Some people on Warseer mentioned that a Tervigon could be taken in the Troops FoC for every Termagant brood you have. If that's true you could take up to three that way, if you use the other three slots on Termagants.

Edit: Too slow >.<

wyomingfox wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:

warpcrafter wrote:So, does the Tervigon take up an HQ slot? That would be really irritating, because I was planning on taking two Hive Tyrants. Perhaps they're like the generic greater Daemon, which doesn't take up a FOC slot but is treated like an HQ (?).

Tervigons are HQ, but you can take one as Troops for each unit of Termagants you have.

Enjoy your T6, W6, Sv3+, Feel no Pain, Regenerating scoring unit that poops out new scoring units.

Quickly! reword it into something he would say:

em_en_oh_pee wrote:

wyomingfox wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:

warpcrafter wrote:So, does the Tervigon take up an HQ slot? That would be really irritating, because I was planning on taking two Hive Tyrants. Perhaps they're like the generic greater Daemon, which doesn't take up a FOC slot but is treated like an HQ (?).

Tervigons are HQ, but you can take one as Troops for each unit of Termagants you have.

Enjoy your T6, W6, Sv3+, Feel no Pain, Regenerating scoring unit that poops out new scoring units.

Quickly! reword it into something he would say:

warpcrafter wrote:Yes, I'm trying to get this thread locked, so that another can be started that will perhaps get a little meaningful exchange in before it devolves into an episode of Beavis and Butt-head... (Luna, you should be with me on this, since it's your thread.)

LunaHound wrote:I dont understand your logic... isnt it easier to report / alert the mod for inappropriate post?
instead of contributing to ...

warpcrafter wrote:But what if the Tervigon is an upgrade to the Termagaunt unit, so of like Kaptin Badrukk or Tellion? Then you could have one added on to each Termagaunt unit. That would be awesome. Of course, it does look like you would need to buy two fairly big critter-boxes to make one, which would not make a lot of sense if you want a bunch, because then yu would be stuck with lots of expensive parts that you don't need.

Fateweaver wrote:Hmm, no crushing claw option for Tyrant?

I hope so as I don't want to break them off.

Che-Vito wrote:I am a bit unclear if the Death Leaper is an IC or a squad. If it is a squad, I'd like to see Brood Size attached for the following thought.

Turn 1.A
Guard/Tau player goes
Turn 1.B
Death Leapers appear 1.1" from the gunline

Turn 2.A
Guard/Tau shoots into said gunline
Turn 2.B
Rape commences.

The answer clearly is mech, but am I the only one that is getting annoyed with the increasing use of Mech as the solution??

Agamemnon2 wrote:
I'm pretty sure Death Leaper is a solo model, a "special character" mutant lictor. While it appears to be getting an excessive amount of special rules and reputedly WS9, I doubt turtling down in transports is required. It'll eat command squads off IG armies almost certainly, but learning to work without the orders system and focusing short-ranged fire on it will probably work (unless of course Arbitrary Cruddace decided to give it T6, 4 Wounds and a 3+ save).

reds8n wrote:It is WS9 T4 and 3W.

And if we could not do the whole amusing picture that'd be much cooler too.

ShumaGorath wrote:What does the devourer do now?

LunaHound wrote:18" S6 Ap- Assault 6

airmang wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:What does the devourer do now?

LunaHound wrote:18" S6 Ap- Assault 6

I've heard they also cause a morale test at the end of the shooting phase, at -1LD, if they cause 1 casualty. Can somone confirm?

Orangecoke wrote:Just trying to sort out the Tyrant rules

I just built a Tyrant model with a venom cannon and a twin-linked devourer. Is that no longer legal? Could the model still pass for something that IS legal?

reds8n wrote:Yes, I believe that is true.

sirisaacnuton wrote:So, again, it begs the question, where does all this come from? Is this someone official who's said that preview codexes are coming, because every retailer I've spoken to (GW stores included) indicate the opposite.

mikesorensonxx wrote:I'm wondering if I understand this correctly: If you have a bone sword and lash whip you get power weapon with ld test on wound or ID and opp I is 1, and with a pair of bone swords you get power weapon with the ld test on 3d6? Anybody heard of a bone sword/lashwhip bits pack yet?

AgeOfEgos wrote:I haven't ran the numbers yet but at first blush Zoans appear better at popping armor than any melta-equivalent. The only competition I see in the Elite slot against Zoans look like the super stealers. Does the Tervigon Catalyst power work on any unit though or just Terms? From what I see, it's any unit...if so he's pretty damn good;

9X Zoans with Warp Blast Lance
3++ save with FNP at 2 wounds each ^^
No more AT problems for Nids

mikesorensonxx wrote:I'm wondering if I understand this correctly: If you have a bone sword and lash whip you get power weapon with ld test on wound or ID and opp I is 1, and with a pair of bone swords you get power weapon with the ld test on 3d6? Anybody heard of a bone sword/lashwhip bits pack yet?

mikesorensonxx wrote:Current rumor is 3 wounds each, even better. That picture is awesome, with bone swords becoming more prevelant they better have a way of making them available. Judging by the other pictures a tervigon/tyrannofex box set would be good. So would a Hive tyrant/Harpy set to make the flying tyrant. And a warrior upgrade sprue with wings, bone swords, lashwhips, and alpha warrior parts. Am I missing anything besides special characters/mutants?

mikesorensonxx wrote:
Current rumor is 3 wounds each, even better. That picture is awesome, with bone swords becoming more prevelant they better have a way of making them available. Judging by the other pictures a tervigon/tyrannofex box set would be good. So would a Hive tyrant/Harpy set to make the flying tyrant. And a warrior upgrade sprue with wings, bone swords, lashwhips, and alpha warrior parts. Am I missing anything besides special characters/mutants?

Fateweaver wrote:I'm going to run mine with LW/Bonesword and a pair of talons (allow me to reroll any pesky 1's that pop up) and going to run with 3 Tyrant Guard to help soak up wounds and to make the Initiative and WS lowering powers that much more detrimental for the target unit.

Redemption wrote:
Expensive couple of models though, that's 350 points or something. Funny bit about the Tyrant Guard now though, it seems they're no longer a retinue but a seperate unit. Seperate Swarmlords and Hive Tyrants (including flying ones, but they're hella expensive and can't get Warp Field anymore ) can join the unit of Tyrant Guard as if they're Independant Characters. I guess that means opponents can single out the Tyrant in Melee too. I reckon that's why they get Rage and Furious Charge if their Tyrant is killed.

JD21290 wrote:Ninja: Its a bad case mate.
the model looks amazing!
However, i would compare them to flashgitz lol.

Expensive for thier use, and you dont get alot for them.

Also, they are being pitted against deathleaper, lictors, thropes etc for an elite slot.
Its not a good case

N1NJ4 wrote:You're probably right, but depending oh what they cost I might test out a single unit of them. Does anyone know how far they can toss their flamer template?

JD21290 wrote:Super: average roll on 3D6 = 10
So most characters will only just pass it.
throw in a nice -3 - -4 and people are dead.

Seems like the new nids will be a case of actually using tactics, rather than nidzilla stomping around.
Also, it makes them interesting, the new mix's in tactics means they should be even nastier than before if used right.



On that note, i just got a confirmation mail from forgeworld about my order lol, time to get the khornate daemons back and running again ready for the nids.

mikesorensonxx wrote:But does the Lictor still have 3 wounds? How about the venomthrope?

LunaHound wrote:There was a discussion on the survivability of Tyrannofex.
Some people say its like 6x tougher than a land raider ,
while some people say even plasma guns can kill it.

Either way with regen and 6 wounds , we can be sure that you either focus all your heaviest weapons on it till its 100% dead , or dont bother.

The best fire power soaking unit in 40k i think.

1) Is it just me or is the Swarmlord freaking incredible? Appart from being the single best hand to hand combat mini in the game he GREATLY improves your army. I mean, being able to re-roll what side of the board edge your outflankers come in on is amazing, not to mention all the pyschic abilities. Even if he does actually cost 280pts he will be worth it.

There was a discussion on the survivability of Tyrannofex.
Some people say its like 6x tougher than a land raider ,
while some people say even plasma guns can kill it.

Either way with regen and 6 wounds , we can be sure that you either focus all your heaviest weapons on it till its 100% dead , or dont bother.

The best fire power soaking unit in 40k i think.

tevigon is about the same

ShumaGorath wrote:There was a discussion on the survivability of Tyrannofex.
Some people say its like 6x tougher than a land raider ,
while some people say even plasma guns can kill it.

Either way with regen and 6 wounds , we can be sure that you either focus all your heaviest weapons on it till its 100% dead , or dont bother.

The best fire power soaking unit in 40k i think.

AgeOfEgos wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:There was a discussion on the survivability of Tyrannofex.
Some people say its like 6x tougher than a land raider ,
while some people say even plasma guns can kill it.

Either way with regen and 6 wounds , we can be sure that you either focus all your heaviest weapons on it till its 100% dead , or dont bother.

The best fire power soaking unit in 40k i think.

It might be tough...but I'm failing to see why it's so scary. I don't think I would even bother shooting it. It's slow, its firepower is 'ok', it's instinctive Lurk on Ld 8......and even if it gets in hand to hand...it's only WS3 with 3 attacks. Or am I missing something from the leak?

LunaHound wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:There was a discussion on the survivability of Tyrannofex.
Some people say its like 6x tougher than a land raider ,
while some people say even plasma guns can kill it.

Either way with regen and 6 wounds , we can be sure that you either focus all your heaviest weapons on it till its 100% dead , or dont bother.

The best fire power soaking unit in 40k i think.

It might be tough...but I'm failing to see why it's so scary. I don't think I would even bother shooting it. It's slow, its firepower is 'ok', it's instinctive Lurk on Ld 8......and even if it gets in hand to hand...it's only WS3 with 3 attacks. Or am I missing something from the leak?

(oops have to check on this , i forgot what it does )
and it has regen. Either kill it completely or dont , the more wound is suffers without dying , the easier it regens it back.

warpcrafter wrote:So how does regeneration work? I've heard that you get one roll and recover a single wound on a 6, which doesn't seem like it's worth any points. If it's better, would somebody please let me know?

even then at 250+ it would be worth throwing a PF toting tac squad at it

Well, yeah...but regen only happens 16% of the time. So even with 3 wounds on board (half dead), it's not a sure deal.

*Shrug*, just seems like a weak bug.

He will make him WS1, so he hits on 3+ and abbadon hits on 5+

ShumaGorath wrote:

He will make him WS1, so he hits on 3+ and abbadon hits on 5+

What's the rule that makes abbadon ws1?

AgeOfEgos wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

He will make him WS1, so he hits on 3+ and abbadon hits on 5+

What's the rule that makes abbadon ws1?

He has all 4 psy powers and one is "Choose a unit within 12", that unit is WS and BS 1 for one round.

I still don't agree on the 250+ pt big bug...but guess we'll have to wait and see .

ShumaGorath wrote:It is, but it's a somewhat safe investment which can be fairly devastating if used correctly. A lot of heavy choices like russes or raiders tend to get one or two turns of use, and are then shaked or destroyed for the rest of the game. The tyrannofex takes quite a bit of punishment without being stifled.

Aduro wrote:When do you roll for Toxic Miasma in regards to Initiative/Combat order?

Oh, and since actual point costs are disallowed... What kind of percentage increase in cost are we looking at for giving a Gaunt a Devourer? To get not only two extra shots but an additional 6" of range seems like a really good upgrade to give em.

sirisaacnuton wrote:I had a question about the rundown posted on the first page. Are the Venomthropes in it? I feel like I've read their rules, but I can't seem to find them on the summary. Am I just missing something because it's late?

Agamemnon2 wrote:The new tyranids seemingly excel at surgical removal of key units, with things like the Death Leaper making it child's play to decapitate Guard armies by robbing them of regimental standards, advisors (Fleet officers are bound to be popular for trying to stall tyranid reserves) and Orders, at minimal risk. Might be worthwhile not to bother with a CCS in the first place, or to simply take the cheapest one imaginable, since their survivability is going to be minimal.

Aduro wrote:When do you roll for Toxic Miasma in regards to Initiative/Combat order?

Oh, and since actual point costs are disallowed... What kind of percentage increase in cost are we looking at for giving a Gaunt a Devourer? To get not only two extra shots but an additional 6" of range seems like a really good upgrade to give em.

If my tentative math is correct, it seems there's absolutely no point in trying to shoot a tyrannofex at all. They're essentially unkillable

Therion wrote:

If my tentative math is correct, it seems there's absolutely no point in trying to shoot a tyrannofex at all. They're essentially unkillable

What am I missing now? 6 wounds and a 2+ save classifies as essentially unkillable? Because of the chance it will regen a wound or two the following turn? The Trygon and Mawloc can buy regeneration too. Does that make them unkillable also? Seriously, nearly all of the units people are salivating about cost 250 to 300 points each. I'd reserve the whine about incredible Tyranid armies to the point where we actually see you know...army lists.

I don't think they are unkillable, but there are a lot of other potentially better targets to shoot at. It's kind of like a monolith in that respect.

Fetterkey wrote:Did I miss something, or is the Tyrannofex the only unit in this Codex with 2+ armor? If this is correct, missile launchers just got a hell of a lot better.. wounding MCs on 2+ while ignoring their saves *and* blasting hordes with frag templates? It's good against the big guys, the little guys, and even the middleweights, since a krak missile will inflict ID against Warriors, Spore Pods, and other toughness 4 models. I'm sure glad I went the Typhoon route with my Land Speeders instead of the MM/HF pattern...

The same appears true for shooty vehicles other than Valkyries/Vendettas, artillery tanks and Russes will just be sitting ducks effortlessly swatted aside by burrowing trygons or drop-podding carnifexes.

Fetterkey wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:Might be worthwhile not to bother with a CCS in the first place, or to simply take the cheapest one imaginable, since their survivability is going to be minimal.

Or you could buy a Chimera?

Therion wrote:

If my tentative math is correct, it seems there's absolutely no point in trying to shoot a tyrannofex at all. They're essentially unkillable

What am I missing now? 6 wounds and a 2+ save classifies as essentially unkillable? Because of the chance it will regen a wound or two the following turn? The Trygon and Mawloc can buy regeneration too. Does that make them unkillable also?

Agamemnon2 wrote:
The Trygon and Mawloc aren't 2+ saves, which already helps the whateverfex quite a bit. Guard BS is bad enough that simply ticking six woulds of a T6 beast is pretty horribly difficult (15 lascannon shots, assuming no cover saves), regeneration makes it a lot worse.

Agamemnon2 wrote:So it appears mechanised is the way to go, with expensive veterans carted around in Vendettas. I think I'll stick with boots on the ground, infantry platoons and other foot troops, because among other reasons, Vendettas are a pain to transport for those poor plebs without a reasonably priced access to Battlefoam.

Hulksmash wrote:My big question is is the Parasite of Mortex able to join units or is he forbidden. Since he's just jump infantry i'm hoping he can cause if he can't he'll have to be very cheap to make him useful for running since he'll be easy to pick off

So it appears mechanised is the way to go, with expensive veterans carted around in Vendettas. Still, since that's not what I started my army for, nor is it in any way an archetype I'm keen on,

Woot! depending on his point cost (since it appears that Alpha Warriors can't take wings) I think i've got myself my second HQ Choice

Hulksmash wrote:Woot! depending on his point cost (since it appears that Alpha Warriors can't take wings) I think i've got myself my second HQ Choice

Hulksmash wrote:Wonder if the bonuses state the model has to be on the table for the reserve bonuses to apply. Otherwise you've got your entire army coming in on the second turn if you take a lictor selection and the hive tyrant with the +1 power......Man I want the book to come out so I can get down to crunching out my play style this time around.

Hulksmash wrote:Wonder if the bonuses state the model has to be on the table for the reserve bonuses to apply. Otherwise you've got your entire army coming in on the second turn if you take a lictor selection and the hive tyrant with the +1 power......Man I want the book to come out so I can get down to crunching out my play style this time around.

twistinthunder wrote:I'm not sure about you guys but if the lictor stuff true (namely units ds'ing within 6" not scattering) then im definatly seeing potential for mawloc/trygon/trygon prime + lictor combinations. are you?

ShumaGorath wrote:

Hulksmash wrote:Wonder if the bonuses state the model has to be on the table for the reserve bonuses to apply. Otherwise you've got your entire army coming in on the second turn if you take a lictor selection and the hive tyrant with the +1 power......Man I want the book to come out so I can get down to crunching out my play style this time around.

The deep strike spores cost as much as a terminator. Just keep in mind, you're paying a lot for a 3 wound pod with a t4 to drop something that doesn't have a large volume of firepower. Costs more than a drop pod.

twistinthunder wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Hulksmash wrote:Wonder if the bonuses state the model has to be on the table for the reserve bonuses to apply. Otherwise you've got your entire army coming in on the second turn if you take a lictor selection and the hive tyrant with the +1 power......Man I want the book to come out so I can get down to crunching out my play style this time around.

The deep strike spores cost as much as a terminator. Just keep in mind, you're paying a lot for a 3 wound pod with a t4 to drop something that doesn't have a large volume of firepower. Costs more than a drop pod.

yeah but you get alot more for the spore than you do a drop pod and 5pts aint much

Redemption wrote:

twistinthunder wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Hulksmash wrote:Wonder if the bonuses state the model has to be on the table for the reserve bonuses to apply. Otherwise you've got your entire army coming in on the second turn if you take a lictor selection and the hive tyrant with the +1 power......Man I want the book to come out so I can get down to crunching out my play style this time around.

The deep strike spores cost as much as a terminator. Just keep in mind, you're paying a lot for a 3 wound pod with a t4 to drop something that doesn't have a large volume of firepower. Costs more than a drop pod.

yeah but you get alot more for the spore than you do a drop pod and 5pts aint much

You don't get the Inertial Guidance System rule, so scatter can be deadly. You don't get the Drop Pod Assault rule, so you have to get in line for the regular Reserve roles. You do get a 6 shot 6" S6 AP- ranged weapon, and something that wants to assault it has to deal with 3 S6 MC attacks before it dies. You can add another weapon like a Venom Cannon or Barbed Strangler for 10-20 points, but you always have to shoot at the closest enemy anyway.

All in all that makes them a bigger risk than Drop Pod. You can use the the 'Teleport Beacon' from Lictors, but you can't use the beacon in the turn the Lictor arrived, so if you're unlucky and they arrive before or at the same time of the Lictor, you still scatter. If you want to drop pod a Carnifex, it would suck to loose your 200 point (minumum) investment due to a bad scatter roll.

Hulksmash wrote:From what we've seen it does have the inertial guidance system though redemption.

Refyougee wrote:Anyone have a pic of the Doom of Malan'Tai? Also, what happened to the summary? :(

I don't necessarily see the lack of the drop-pod assault rule as a bad thing.

Refyougee wrote:Anyone have a pic of the Doom of Malan'Tai?

AgeOfEgos wrote:That's recycled art;

Railguns wrote:Now the 5th edition nid codex has literally flipped this around so that everyone who wants to use their gaunts the same way they used to has to either rip off all of their gaunt arms or just buy all of them over again. It's purely a marketing based move that spits in the face of everyone who already plays Tyranids.

Railguns wrote:The loss of living ammo rerolls make Termagants even worse.

warpcrafter wrote:I would really like to know why they took out rules like Living Ammunition and Without Number. They gave the Tyranids character. What's next, removing Waaagh! from the next Orks Codex?

Darth Bob wrote:What's the deal with implant attack. It says the victim "Loses All Wounds". Would that be considered the same as instant death or is it different and therefore not affected by Eternal Warrior. If so, we're going to have a trend of HT's 1-shotting special characters.

Fateweaver wrote:Perhaps with all the nid guns getting arguably better (and yes the new VC is better than the current one IMO) Living Ammo would have been TOO good or not necessary.

Dakkafexes get 4 more shots now rerolling misses. I'll miss rerolling wounds for them but 4 more shots will outweigh rerolling the odd 1 that pops up when shooting at anything not T5 or higher.

I think the fact that Tyranids are a characterful army in itself should not be made characterless by the removal of 1 or 2 rules. Lots of special rules don't make an army have character; the army itself should be what makes it full of character and compared to Marines or IG they are are a characterful army.

Marketing move? hardly. The termagant has been the iconic gaunt model since the tyranid background was introduced.

Shep wrote:The fleshborer gaining 50% more range will do much more to total wounds caused than a simple wound re-roll.

Now the 5th edition nid codex has literally flipped this around so that everyone who wants to use their gaunts the same way they used to has to either rip off all of their gaunt arms or just buy all of them over again. It's purely a marketing based move that spits in the face of everyone who already plays Tyranids.

I would really like to know why they took out rules like Living Ammunition and Without Number. They gave the Tyranids character.

As much as people might hate GW not everything done by it's employees is a "marketing ploy".

I don't see how calling something what it is hyperbole. What was once one thing has been, in a literal sense, flipped, so roles are reversed.

Believing GW doesn't do certain things to sell models is just as naive as believing that they never do, and I think there is enough evidence to support the theory that this is, in fact, a marketing move.

Refyougee wrote:Anyone know if the Swarmlord can take a Spore Capsule?

the army itself should be what makes it full of character and compared to Marines or IG they are are a characterful army.

warpcrafter wrote:I would really like to know why they took out rules like Living Ammunition and Without Number. They gave the Tyranids character. What's next, removing Waaagh! from the next Orks Codex?

ShumaGorath wrote:

I can't read german, but it doesn't have any options at all, let alone 40 point ones. It looks like it's got to walk to where it's going.

The spingaunts still exist, and for a point you gain a better gun.

Hive2003 wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

I can't read german, but it doesn't have any options at all, let alone 40 point ones. It looks like it's got to walk to where it's going.

Yeah thats right.

The only ones who can get the Pod are:

Toxotroph
Zoantroph
Nemisis
Pyros
Warriors
Genestealers
Terms
Horms
Carnis

Agamemnon2 wrote:So it appears mechanised is the way to go, with expensive veterans carted around in Vendettas. Still, since that's not what I started my army for, nor is it in any way an archetype I'm keen on, I think I'll stick with boots on the ground, infantry platoons and other foot troops, because among other reasons, Vendettas are a pain to transport for those poor plebs without a reasonably priced access to Battlefoam.

I'll lose a gakload of games, but in the end, so what? I'm already a laughing stock, what's a few more humiliations?

winterman wrote:

The spingaunts still exist, and for a point you gain a better gun.

Spinefists aren't better at all. I'd say they are worse actually on a gaunt.
Fleshborer is 12" S4 AP5 Assault1
Spinefist is 12" S3 AP5 Assault1 Twinlinked

Same MEq kills (1/12), Spine is slightly better against GEq (3/8 vs 1/3), fleshborer is superior against higher T and can glance AR10. Not sure why spinefists cost a point, but they do. I think making them a free swap woulda been better and fair, and still ecourage fleshborers. My spinefists will get ripped off for scytals or they'll count as spike rifles (spikerifles are 18" S3 Ap- A1 for 1 pt).

Fateweaver wrote:

winterman wrote:

The spingaunts still exist, and for a point you gain a better gun.

Spinefists aren't better at all. I'd say they are worse actually on a gaunt.
Fleshborer is 12" S4 AP5 Assault1
Spinefist is 12" S3 AP5 Assault1 Twinlinked

Same MEq kills (1/12), Spine is slightly better against GEq (3/8 vs 1/3), fleshborer is superior against higher T and can glance AR10. Not sure why spinefists cost a point, but they do. I think making them a free swap woulda been better and fair, and still ecourage fleshborers. My spinefists will get ripped off for scytals or they'll count as spike rifles (spikerifles are 18" S3 Ap- A1 for 1 pt).

If you are using gaunts to knock out speeders or sentinels you've probably pulling desperation moves in the face of an inevitable loss. If I need speeders dead I'll smack them with deathspitters or devourers or zoanthropes or hive guard.

I mean that's like IG players whining that lasguns are only S3 and that bolters are better because they can glance a landspeeder. Glancing AR10 with a bolter is a last ditch effort move, not something to plan a squads usefulness around. If it is than those people have no idea what gaunts are for.

Noisy_Marine wrote:I'm a little worried that Nids can now have 9 carnies and 2 Hive Tyrants. How are my poor CSM gonna deal with all that MC? HUH?

It's ok though. Who wants to use the carnifex now that trygons and mawlocs have stolen the spotlight?It's ok though. Who wants to use the carnifex now that trygons and mawlocs have stolen the spotlight?

LunaHound wrote:Can someone tell me which mod deleted my Tyranid Compilation?
Because there is still a whole copy pasted warseer post still there.
So why is mine so special to be deleted? There isnt a single pm about my compilation from mods ,
and yes i was banned. To all of you that asked me where it went and i couldnt answer.

Fateweaver wrote:I mean that's like IG players whining that lasguns are only S3 and that bolters are better because they can glance a landspeeder.

That's right! unless they do something asinine like saying that the newly created units are not scoring.

Therion wrote:

That's right! unless they do something asinine like saying that the newly created units are not scoring.

It seems to me that Tervigons are HQ choices not troops, and neither are the Gaunts they create.

LunaHound wrote:

Farmer wrote:S%^£ N*(^%

Yay every want to join in to get this thread locked / deleted?

Thats whats going on right? o_o

Farmer wrote:S%^£ N*(^%

dogma wrote:Equation for signal to noise ratio.

Why do you people keep making these wild uneducated guesses when some of us are reading directly from the Codex?

Therion wrote:

Why do you people keep making these wild uneducated guesses when some of us are reading directly from the Codex?

I don't believe for a second that you're reading from an official and final version of the actual Codex: Tyranids. However, from your leaked pre-release Codex pdf, are you also reading that Tervigons are troops choices, like people are 'wildly and uneducatedly' guessing?

Fetterkey wrote:You know, Tervigon spawn counting as standard units is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, it means that you get more scoring units. On the other, it means that KP scenarios are very much not your friends.

Therion wrote:

Why do you people keep making these wild uneducated guesses when some of us are reading directly from the Codex?

I don't believe for a second that you're reading from an official and final version of the actual Codex: Tyranids. However, from your leaked pre-release Codex pdf, are you also reading that Tervigons are troops choices, like people are 'wildly and uneducatedly' guessing?

twistinthunder wrote:true but how do we know that the spawned unit are scoring units?

Lyracian wrote:So can anyone tell me how "Toxic Miasma" now works? do opponents take wounds at the start/end of the Assault Phase?

Why would you possibly bother asking me a question when you don't believe my answers?

Therion wrote:

Why would you possibly bother asking me a question when you don't believe my answers?

I have no vested interest in whether your answers are believable or not. What I don't believe is that you're holding a final copy of the English Codex: Tyranids like a said earlier. I find it objectionable that someone would brag and try to take some sort of twisted parody of pride in something which is a blatant lie. Even if it wasn't a lie, I wouldn't consider your attitude strange. Wonders of internet.

Mahu wrote:Please forgive me if this has been asked before, but what does the Tyrgon's Entry Hole do?

Can units arrive from it the same turn the Trygon does?

Please forgive me if this has been asked before, but what does the Tyrgon's Entry Hole do?

Can units arrive from it the same turn the Trygon does?