— Article by Adam Troke
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Gather your tanks and ready your lascannons – in June the pages of White Dwarf magazine and the Games Workshop website join forces to bring you a whole new expansion for Warhammer 40,000: Spearhead.

Spearhead is a new way to play Warhammer 40,000 that enables you to unleash exciting tank battles and daring breakthrough missions on the tabletop, bringing the full mechanised fury of the 41st Millennium to bear in your games. June's White Dwarf will contain the main part of the supplement, including new rules, missions and plenty of inspirational hobby advice. Alongside this, the Games Workshop website will feature additional material exclusively for registered members, such as details of how to assemble your Spearhead formations along with even more painting, modelling and collecting tips.

As if a whole new Expansion wasn't exciting enough, it's going to be accompanied by a range of new miniatures including some stunning new plastic kits – more details of these kits, and the Spearhead Expansion, will follow in White Dwarf and here on the Games Workshop website.

A word of advice, however – because it contains a new Expansion, June's White Dwarf promises to be very popular. If you're not already a subscriber now's probably a very good time to correct that, and to register on the Games Workshop website to hear all the news first.

"As if a whole new Expansion wasn't exciting enough, it's going to be accompanied by a range of new miniatures including some stunning new plastic kits – more details of these kits, and the Spearhead Expansion, will follow in White Dwarf and here on the Games Workshop website."

This is the only part I'm excited about. Less expansions, more codices, imo.

GW is really on the ball with new releases. And if this is a sign of things to come... It means that White Dwarf is heading the right direction.

i wonder if the new plastic kits will be as stunning as the "new" chimera and basilisk models... yawn...

Looking at this, plastic kits that spring to mind, which fit the idea of spearhead/breakthrough missions, would be some large Tyranid monstrous creature (either with a big gun or the ability to deploy lots of troops), maybe some Space Marines riding really tough, ferocious animals, or even a fast flyer that can combat drop troops (or even Dreads...?)...

warboss wrote:i wonder if the new plastic kits will be as stunning as the "new" chimera and basilisk models... yawn...

The Watcher in the Dark wrote:, or even a fast flyer that can combat drop troops (or even Dreads...?)...

Stormraven?

Oh please oh please oh please.....

This can only mean new plastic buggies and wartrakks. Orks are getting all of the GW love with these supplements.

Don't get me wrong, I am just speculating. I should make it clear that unlike some people who like to give the impression they know more than they do, I fully admit that I know nothing. Those are just the sorts of kits that I think would plausibly fit in with this expansion.

Hello Leman Russ, hello artillery tank.

New rules In the White Dwarf? What is this? Bizzaro World???

Also: yay, new vehicles!

"Spearhead is a new way to play Warhammer 40,000......"

I ask the same question that I ask with all of these releases, "Whats wrong with the old way?"

The Watcher in the Dark wrote:maybe some Space Marines riding really tough, ferocious animals,

Please tell me your joking...

Space Wolves on wolves has to be the silliest thing they have come out with in years...

Lets hope they don't make a habit of it.

Mechanised assaults? New Kits? This can only herald the appearance of yet another Land Raider variant

Deadshane1 wrote:"Spearhead is a new way to play Warhammer 40,000......"

I ask the same question that I ask with all of these releases, "Whats wrong with the old way?"

Nothing prevents you from continuing to play the old way does it?

Now I know not to buy any new tanks till this summer

good thing my bugs will keep me busy till then...

lol another expansion so soon.

CT GAMER wrote:

The Watcher in the Dark wrote:maybe some Space Marines riding really tough, ferocious animals,

Please tell me your joking...

Space Wolves on wolves has to be the silliestest thing they have come out with in years...

Lets hope they don't make a habit of it.

I rest my case. . .

Seeing as it will be released in the WD, I wouldn't put too much hope into it, it will be dropped in a month or two, maybe even faster if it's a typical rush job.

BrookM wrote:Seeing as it will be released in the WD, I wouldn't put too much hope into it, it will be dropped in a month or two, maybe even faster if it's a typical rush job.

Pssst. It's not "just" WD. It's launching in WD and then moving to the website, apparently. And it sounds like something they've been planning for awhile.

So we have standard 40K for "standard" sized battles...

Planetstrike for surgical strikes and orbital assaults...

Apoc for mega-battles...

COD for urban combat...

And this will cover mechanized battles...

So what major battle archetype is yet to be made to be the focus of an expansion?

Seems like Kill team would have been ripe, but they gave a passing nod in battle Missions.


Amphibious landings?

Boarding actions?

Zero G/ space?

close quarter/instillation invasion (fighting inside tunnel/bunker complexes a la Space Hulk)?

As long as they all are released along side new plastic kits It's all good in my book...




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puma713 wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

The Watcher in the Dark wrote:maybe some Space Marines riding really tough, ferocious animals,

Please tell me your joking...

Space Wolves on wolves has to be the gayest thing they have come out with in years...

Lets hope they don't make a habit of it.

I rest my case. . .

The wolves on wolves still take the cake...

Yo Dawg wolves riding wolves > Fancypants lads with nipple armor, hot crossed buns on their kneecaps, and bolters sewn to their mittens? I don't think so.

Looks like there is a reason to buy WD again. Cool.

New models -> Cool
ANOTHER way to play 40k? -> Meh!

CT GAMER wrote:

The Watcher in the Dark wrote:maybe some Space Marines riding really tough, ferocious animals,

Please tell me your joking...

Space Wolves on wolves has to be the gayest thing they have come out with in years...

Lets hope they don't make a habit of it.

I didn't say I approved, I just tgink that if they are going to release them anytime soon, this Expansion would be a logical time to do it. Oh yeah, GW logical, forget I mentioned it...

Seriously?! Awesome! Can't wait for new models, particularly tanks since that what I'm waiting for for my Imperial Guard.

But what tanks are we missing?

Storm Raven
All plastic Fire Prism
IG Artillery
IG Manitcore
Hydra
Deathstrike
3 Leman Russ Variants
Warbuggies
Wartraks

Is that it?

I'd love some Ork sets for DeffKoptas, alongside some new Jetbikes.

I will say though, the fact that they keep releasing expansions rather than updating some of the older codices makes a strong case that they are being shelved.

Breotan wrote:Yo Dawg wolves riding wolves > Fancypants lads with nipple armor, hot crossed buns on their kneecaps, and bolters sewn to their mittens? I don't think so.

I'm not defending either...

Scottywan82 wrote:
I will say though, the fact that they keep releasing expansions rather than updating some of the older codices makes a strong case that they are being shelved.

No, it doesn't. When they remove all references to the older codices from the expansions is when you get to spout "SQUATTED! SQUATTED! SQUATTED!".

Creating an expansion doesn't take them nearly as much work as designing a codex. It's really that simple to comprehend.

Did GW decide that fifth edition doesn't have enough tanks on the board, so you need a new way to play that emphasizes armor even more?

Flashman wrote:Mechanised assaults? New Kits? This can only herald the appearance of yet another Land Raider variant

the flying type that can carry a unit and a dread?

CT GAMER wrote:

Breotan wrote:Yo Dawg wolves riding wolves > Fancypants lads with nipple armor, hot crossed buns on their kneecaps, and bolters sewn to their mittens? I don't think so.

I'm not defending either...

I will.

Thunderwolf Cavalry are an awesome and uniquely Space Wolf concept. The only issue I've got with them is that the model pretty much blows.

And as for the Sanguinary Guard...what's the complaint? That they have a flanged knee-guard at the top of the greaves? Look at some suits of full plate from the Renaissance. They have the same things, it's just mounted on the sides rather than the front due to the articulation of the armor. And the bolters? So what if they're mounted on the gauntlet? It's an assault unit wielding two handed power weapons. They've got the bolters mounted on the gauntlet for the same reason the Grey Knights do--it cuts down on them having to release their primary weapon to fire off a few shots. Makes perfect sense to me.

Maybe I'm looking too hard (or pehaps not hard enough!) but the flyer above and to the left of the LR in that pic doesn't look *quite* like a standard Thunderhawk to me. I'm just sayin'...

Oh, and hey... It looks like it's shooting some missiles as well. Are HK-type missile part on a TH's weapons options?

Valete,

JohnS

cygnnus wrote:Maybe I'm looking too hard (or pehaps not hard enough!) but the flyer above and to the left of the LR in that pic doesn't look *quite* like a standard Thunderhawk to me. I'm just sayin'...

Valete,

JohnS

Probably because it's another Land Speeder.

Kanluwen wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:
I will say though, the fact that they keep releasing expansions rather than updating some of the older codices makes a strong case that they are being shelved.

No, it doesn't. When they remove all references to the older codices from the expansions is when you get to spout "SQUATTED! SQUATTED! SQUATTED!".

Creating an expansion doesn't take them nearly as much work as designing a codex. It's really that simple to comprehend.

So having no missions for Inq or DE in the most recent release for Warhammer 40,000 doesn't indicate they are being shelved? Thank god Necrons got something. I guess.

Commander Endova wrote:

The Watcher in the Dark wrote:, or even a fast flyer that can combat drop troops (or even Dreads...?)...

Stormraven?

Oh please oh please oh please.....

Actually, the picture in the link in the first post of this thread is a smaller version of the one you get in the email GW sent out.

I am not sure if this is new art or old, but in the upper left corner of the large picture there is a small flyer that could very well be the Stormraven. It looks too small to be a Thunderhawk, at least to me.




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Kanluwen wrote:Probably because it's another Land Speeder.

It doesn't look like a Landspeeder at all.

http://gwutil.com/newpictures/products/INC_Spearhead_550x350.jpg

I love experimental rules and other kinds of madness in WD. Just before christmas I lurked on a big debate on another thread about it - some people hated new rules à la Chapter Approved in WD, some people loved it.

I thought GW was moving away from the Chapter Approved approach, so that you didn't need stacks of WDs in order to play. But then it's logical to make it available online...

And kudos to GW for making this cheap and accessible, in stead of churning out yet another overpriced book. Keep it up, GW!

Kanluwen wrote:

cygnnus wrote:Maybe I'm looking too hard (or pehaps not hard enough!) but the flyer above and to the left of the LR in that pic doesn't look *quite* like a standard Thunderhawk to me. I'm just sayin'...

Valete,

JohnS

Probably because it's another Land Speeder.

Nope. To the left of the speeder there's a craft that is definitely not a speeder. Looks similar to, but not the same as, a 'hawk. Just to the left of the flames from a burning wreck.

Kveldulv wrote:I thought GW was moving away from the Chapter Approved approach, so that you didn't need stacks of WDs in order to play. But then it's logical to make it available online...

I agree, having rules spread out is a pain. But this time it looks like all rules will be in one place, which I approve of.

agree, having rules spread out is a pain.

I also support that notion, I never liked the "modular" approach to rules where they are spread out all over the place in magazines, supplements, etc. that all become obsolete the moment the main rule book is revised.

However, I really like the current range of expansions for 40K like Apocalypse, Cities of Death, etc. but I have to admit in the back of my mind I'm wondering if they'll all be completely useless when the 6th edition 40K rule book comes in a few years. I certainly hope not, but that kind of obsolesence has occurred before with this game system.

I am looking forward to the new models in June, I always like to see more new model kits.

This:



Is OLD Land Raider box art, a decade or so old.

i just want a decent IG artillery tank kit - is that too much to ask?!!!

plus it would be nice if they made some more tank accessory sprues.

more plastic for the plastic god i say!

Vlad

Is OLD Land Raider box art, a decade or so old.

That's correct, it was on the box for the current Land Raider model when that model was first released in the year 2000.

The Eldar Fire Prism is still waiting for an all plastic version to get rid of that full metal prism. And there is the new Eldar Jet Bike!

But Warbuggies sound more likely.

BrookM wrote:This:



Is OLD Land Raider box art, a decade or so old.

And the flying thing is thunder hawk,right?

Vlad-X7 wrote:i just want a decent IG artillery tank kit - is that too much to ask?!!!

plus it would be nice if they made some more tank accessory sprues.

more plastic for the plastic god i say!

Vlad

Seconded! Plastic for the Plastic God, aye!

BrookM wrote:This:



Is OLD Land Raider box art, a decade or so old.

Brook is right, that was the picture used during the orginal release of the MKIII Landraider back in 2000




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Scottywan82 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:
I will say though, the fact that they keep releasing expansions rather than updating some of the older codices makes a strong case that they are being shelved.

No, it doesn't. When they remove all references to the older codices from the expansions is when you get to spout "SQUATTED! SQUATTED! SQUATTED!".

Creating an expansion doesn't take them nearly as much work as designing a codex. It's really that simple to comprehend.

So having no missions for Inq or DE in the most recent release for Warhammer 40,000 doesn't indicate they are being shelved? Thank god Necrons got something. I guess.

DE had missions in Battle Missions, I thought. But no, =I= did not. And Witch Hunters/Daemonhunters Codices have been pulled. Dunno if that's great news or ominous news for =I= loyalists.

LOL that artwork is the cover of the only WD I have in English... bought in Amsterdam about 1999? 2000?

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The Watcher in the Dark wrote:
Brook is right, that was the picture used during the orginal release of the MKIII Landraider back in 2000

Exactly that one ^^

Sir Motor wrote:And the flying thing is thunder hawk,right?

Yes.

LOL that artwork is the cover of the only WD I have in English... bought in Amsterdam about 1999? 2000?

As I said above before the WD cover was posted, the current Land Raider was released in 2000 with the artwork now used to promote Spearhead. I still have at least one of those Land Raider boxes sitting around with bits in it and I checked the date on it recently out of curiosity: year 2000.

puma713 wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:
I will say though, the fact that they keep releasing expansions rather than updating some of the older codices makes a strong case that they are being shelved.

No, it doesn't. When they remove all references to the older codices from the expansions is when you get to spout "SQUATTED! SQUATTED! SQUATTED!".

Creating an expansion doesn't take them nearly as much work as designing a codex. It's really that simple to comprehend.

So having no missions for Inq or DE in the most recent release for Warhammer 40,000 doesn't indicate they are being shelved? Thank god Necrons got something. I guess.

DE had missions in Battle Missions, I thought. But no, =I= did not. And Witch Hunters/Daemonhunters Codices have been pulled. Dunno if that's great news or ominous news for =I= loyalists.

Inquisition don't *need* their own missions. People cried that they didn't get anything in Planetstrike either, but they did under the "Imperial" heading.

The Inquisition shouldn't be an army that is treated like every other when it comes to these expansions. The Inquisition isn't a fighting force, it's an investigative force. While they do maintain fortresses and fighting troops--they are almost always "standard" Imperial fare. They don't have enough uniquely Inquisition items to warrant whole stratagems.

The Inquisition isn't a fighting force, it's an investigative force.

That will no longer be the case when they get their new Codex in the near future. Like it or not, in the interest of pleasing fans who like to play Inquisition as an army and in the interest of company profits, the Inquisition will be more of an army than ever one day soon.

BrassScorpion wrote:

The Inquisition isn't a fighting force, it's an investigative force.

That will no longer be the case when they get their new Codex in the near future. Like it or not, in the interest of pleasing fans who like to play Inquisition as an army and in the interest of company profits, the Inquisition will be more of an army than ever one day soon.

The Inquisition playing as an army is the day the Inquisition ceases to be...the Inquisition. They're a "shadowy force that moves amongst mankind rooting out corruption". Not "hurp we fights the evils!". The Chamber Militants are the one who do all the heavy lifting, and the Inquisitors are the ones who find and identify the targets for them.

Now, if they were to say...make the armies of the Inquisition like Detachment 99 or in the vein of the Hardened Veteran squads from the Guard Codex? I'd be fine with that. But I really hope to God we don't see "Inquisition Footsoldiers" or combination armies of all three Ordos' Chamber Militants fielded at the same time.

How is everybody else reading this? Is this an expansion that will only be in WD and online or does it read like they will release it in a full book form as well? They refer to WD having the "main part" of the expansion, I wonder if this means they're just using WD and online to playtest the thing and then release the polished version in book form later...

People are already playing Inquisition armies and have been for years. There's the GW background material and then there are modelers, collectors and gamers who play what they want and create their own background as needed. The realities of modeling and gaming don't always mesh exactly with the background written by GW for atmosphere. It's a fantasy game and people are free to enjoy the models and or game as they wish.

This release appears to be mostly about the models with a push to sell more White Dwarf issues and drive people to the GW website. This allows them to promote new models and an existing magazine product that is produced monthly anyway with no additional resource expenditures needed as would be for a new book release. Driving more traffic to their website online store should also work well for GW.

I can deal with actual content in WD again. Sounds good to me. As for plastic vehicle releases, my money's on Ork buggies, IG artillery, and the Stormraven. I can't really think of much else to release in plastic, at least for commonly supported armies. A Chaos dreadnought would be nice, but walkers were more of a Battle Missions release.

dietrich wrote:Did GW decide that fifth edition doesn't have enough tanks on the board, so you need a new way to play that emphasizes armor even more?

yes, yes we do.

You've Inspired me:

as far as the actuall game goes, I think i'll hold out on an opinion until I see the expansion, it just seems like yet another excuse to sell more models

That's great Dave. Can you add some skulls and more rivets? Maybe GW will release a tank that carries tanks that carry troopers. And are those deep striking landraiders above the skimmers?

BrassScorpion wrote:People are already playing Inquisition armies and have been for years. There's the GW background material and then there are modelers, collectors and gamers who play what they want and create their own background as needed. The realities of modeling and gaming don't always mesh exactly with the background written by GW for atmosphere. It's a fantasy game and people are free to enjoy the models and or game as they wish.

The "Inquisition" armies as they stand aren't stand-alones like what (it seems to me at least) you're suggesting. They're "an Inquisitor" and then either the Chamber Militant, Inducted allies, or what could easily be a personal retinue(Stormtroopers, Daemonhosts, and Death Cultists) with Inducted Guardsmen representing the rest of the retinue.

It just doesn't seem, to myself at least, like there's anything they can really do to make the Inquisition an individual army.

But that's off-topic, and I can't see them putting the Inquisition into a tank battle supplement unless they're moving the stuff from Siege of Vraks Part 3 into standard fare(Razorbacks with Psycannons, Land Raiders with TL-Psycannons and lots of Incinerators).

That's funny, I see people playing Inquisition armies as stand-alones all the time. Just because some people are "married" to the GW background material doesn't mean that everyone else is following it like that.

Deadshane1 wrote:"Spearhead is a new way to play Warhammer 40,000......"

I ask the same question that I ask with all of these releases, "Whats wrong with the old way?"

Conversely, what's wrong with having more variety?

Breotan wrote:Yo Dawg wolves riding wolves > Fancypants lads with nipple armor, hot crossed buns on their kneecaps, and bolters sewn to their mittens? I don't think so.

I never even noticed the hot cross buns until now.

RE; Spearhead's accomopanying new models, Captain Ventris over at Warseer who has proven to be a credible rumour monger had this to say;

Captain Ventris wrote:I've heard that the kits coming will be the following:

- recut leman russ with remaining russ options
- recut predator with updated sponsons
- ork warbuggy/wartrack/skorcha kit (makes one model)
- eldar fire prism (plastic kit)

they will also supposedly be combining the following kits to make room in their product lineup, (this is less concrete)

- landraider/crusader/redeemer
- Tau skyray/hammerhead (just changing the box ans discontinuing the hammerhead kit
- rhino/razorback

Source is a fairly good friend who is on the gw retail side, and no he's not a redshirt...his rumours however are thus untested, so take with a grain of salt...

I am interested in the new rules but mega excited about finally getting the long rumoured buggy/trak/skorcha box.

Here's a cad pic from ages ago of what it may or may not look like;

http://www.pbase.com/brimstone/image/98969916/original.jpg

Edit, that's the grot from the stompa sprue I see, I doubt they'll not repeat a crew figure so we can assume that won't be exactly how it looks.

Ooh, new Ork Vehicles - I like it!

Big fan of Supplements. Looking forward to this. I agree, Orks get all the love. We went through a LONG dry spell when we were expected to play with Gorkamorka-Reject models, and the Orkses became restless, but GW has made good in these past two years by basically redoing the entire Ork Line of models.

It's good to be the Orks.

All my plastic vehicle kit guesses have already been taken... boo. Thinking about the way they've been releasing things though: new models are unlikely, as is repackaging existing kits together. The only time we've seen this is with the Crusader/Redeemer kit. I expect to see one new vehicle kit (Ork buggies), hope to see a second new vehicle kit (IG artillery variants), and fully expect recut kits that everyone already has that they will no doubt trumpet and push in our faces regardless.

Only thing left would be if they threw a total curve ball and released something like plastic GKT or SoB with this (remember those 3ups a few months ago?).

I do have to say that one part we seem to be glossing over is the "daring breakthroughs" bit.

Could this finally mean plastic Stormtroopers get released?

I really hope you're right. As long as they are Stormtroopers and not those bloody awful Kasrkin

- recut leman russ with remaining russ options
- recut predator with updated sponsons
- ork warbuggy/wartrack/skorcha kit (makes one model)
- eldar fire prism (plastic kit)

they will also supposedly be combining the following kits to make room in their product lineup, (this is less concrete)

- landraider/crusader/redeemer
- Tau skyray/hammerhead (just changing the box ans discontinuing the hammerhead kit
- rhino/razorback

- recut leman russ with remaining russ options = Increase in price.
- recut predator with updated sponsons = Increase in price
- ork warbuggy/wartrack/skorcha kit (makes one model) = Increase in price
- eldar fire prism (plastic kit) = Increase in price?!

they will also supposedly be combining the following kits to make room in their product lineup, (this is less concrete)

- Tau skyray/hammerhead (just changing the box ans discontinuing the hammerhead kit = Increase in price? ha
- rhino/razorback = INCREASE!


We must watch out for the product price creep. Its coming!

The Watcher in the Dark wrote:I really hope you're right. As long as they are Stormtroopers and not those bloody awful Kasrkin

Bite your tongue, heathen! The Kasrkin are the definition of Stormtroopers now

The older Stormtrooper models looked great...when every other Guard regiment was wearing t-shirts, vests, and random scarves/coats. The fact that we have the Cadians and Elysians(who for 'light' infantry--are STILL more heavily geared than the old Stormtrooper models) means they have to step up their game to represent Carapace Armor.

RogueMarket wrote:
- ork warbuggy/wartrack/skorcha kit (makes one model) = Increase in price

I will gladly pay more money for such a kit if it is a quality replacement for the seriously dated excuses for buggies/trakks we have now( circa what 1990?)


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Kanluwen wrote:

The Watcher in the Dark wrote:I really hope you're right. As long as they are Stormtroopers and not those bloody awful Kasrkin

Bite your tongue, heathen! The Kasrkin are the definition of Stormtroopers now

The older Stormtrooper models looked great...when every other Guard regiment was wearing t-shirts, vests, and random scarves/coats. The fact that we have the Cadians and Elysians(who for 'light' infantry--are STILL more heavily geared than the old Stormtrooper models) means they have to step up their game to represent Carapace Armor.

The kasrkin models are garbage. The storm troopers with gasmasks that preceded them are far superior. I'm pretty sure that is what he is referring to, not the plastic guys w/ berets...

dietrich wrote:Maybe GW will release a tank that carries tanks that carry troopers.

I know you were joking, but they already did that.

Platuan4th wrote:

dietrich wrote:Maybe GW will release a tank that carries tanks that carry troopers.

I know you were joking, but they already did that.

That looks suspiciously like a steam tank.

CT GAMER wrote:

RogueMarket wrote:
- ork warbuggy/wartrack/skorcha kit (makes one model) = Increase in price

I will gladly pay more money for such a kit if it is a quality replacement for the seriously dated excuses for buggies/trakks we have now( circa what 1990?)

Actually you are right haha

CT GAMER wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

The Watcher in the Dark wrote:I really hope you're right. As long as they are Stormtroopers and not those bloody awful Kasrkin

Bite your tongue, heathen! The Kasrkin are the definition of Stormtroopers now

The older Stormtrooper models looked great...when every other Guard regiment was wearing t-shirts, vests, and random scarves/coats. The fact that we have the Cadians and Elysians(who for 'light' infantry--are STILL more heavily geared than the old Stormtrooper models) means they have to step up their game to represent Carapace Armor.

The Kasrkin models are garbage. The storm troopers with gasmasks that preceded them are far superior. I'm pretty sure that is what he is referring to, not the plastic guys w/ berets...

Different tastes vary then I guess. I hated the stormtroopers with gasmasks and was glad when the Kasrkin were released. The ones you're referring to look far too "modern"(and again--FAR too under-armored to be shock troops. They're wearing a sheet of metal on their chests, bracers, and some kind of neckguard that makes them look like they have a broken collarbone) to to be used in 40k. The Kasrkin actually look like hardened, heavily armored shock troopers.

CT GAMER wrote:The kasrkin models are garbage. The storm troopers with gasmasks that preceded them are far superior. I'm pretty sure that is what he is referring to, not the plastic guys w/ berets...

Exactly... the Kasrkin just didn't look great, plus they were ridiculous in any non-Cadian army. Stormtroopers are drawn form all over the Imperium and are organised seperately from all other regiments, therefore should have their own look. Kasrkin = Cadian Hardened Vets. with carapace armour...

Back on topic. Enough with the Imperium vehicle releases!!! I am a massive fan of Imperium forces but seriously it's time for something other than reboxing and price-hiking exisiting Imperial tank kits, even if they get a few more options. How about fully plastic Broadsides or a new Tau tank variant (given how fast their tech is supposed to advance you'd have thought they might be able to manage some new turret options for the Hammerhead to rival the Russ' 7 Codex variants)? How about something new for Chaos (maybe with two-legs and a Power Scourge...?)? The plastic Fire Prism is a good start but wouldn't it be nice for one of these releases not to include the Imperium (or Orks) for once...?

*Goes into hiding before the Inquisition arrive to purge the heresy*

Whoops! Forgot the colon.

The Watcher in the Dark wrote:*Goes into hiding before the Inquisition arrive to purge the heresy*

*NOBODY* expects the Spanish Inquisition!...

seriously though, i agree that as much as a guard player that I am, I do feel that other races are being ignored a bit.

Still, some nice new stormtroopers wouldnt go amiss

Vlad

Scottywan82 wrote:So having no missions for Inq or DE in the most recent release for Warhammer 40,000 doesn't indicate they are being shelved? Thank god Necrons got something. I guess.

DE got missions in the latest book.


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CT GAMER wrote:The kasrkin models are garbage.

In your opinion.

Ever since their release we've seen quite a few people who adore them though.

Personally, I'm hoping for new SM Bikes. The current models are >10 years old and are some of the last hybrid kits left in the range. A new Bike kit, with cost/options along the lines of the excellent new Scout Bikes, would probably get me to buy at least a squad or two.

Platuan4th wrote:

dietrich wrote:Maybe GW will release a tank that carries tanks that carry troopers.

I know you were joking, but they already did that.

I was, but I also knew about the Imperialis. But, they've not done it in 40k scale. The one superheavy can carry dreads, but that's the closest thing. BoLS had a nice tutorial about building that monster in 40k scale, that's the most I've ever seen.

And actually, a plastic thunderhawk transport would fit the bill too..........hmmmmmm........

Can you keep the thread on topic, and not about which version of Stormtrooper model you love and/or hate?

If someone wants to start that conversation over in 40K General Discussion, be my guest...

Havik110 wrote:

Flashman wrote:Mechanised assaults? New Kits? This can only herald the appearance of yet another Land Raider variant

the flying type that can carry a unit and a dread?

Yeah, and it has 5 twin-linked METLAGUNZZ!!11! and it has armour 23 all round

Gargskull wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:"Spearhead is a new way to play Warhammer 40,000......"

I ask the same question that I ask with all of these releases, "Whats wrong with the old way?"

Conversely, what's wrong with having more variety?

You mean unlike every game of 40k currently, where every army that can mech up, is mech'd up? And where every player who wants to use lots of armor can do so in Apoc - along with datasheets to support it? And where you could already decide in regular 40k to play with lots of tanks? More variety than that?

And its fairly likely that like Planetstrike, and Apoc, this will require opponents to sit down and agree on how it'll play, and won't be as easy to play in straight pick up games.

I'll be passing on the rules for this, and waiting to see what models actually are released.

Yeah, not really interested in the supplement but new plastic kits is always good.

Stormraven please. Don't make me kitbash a Land Raider with a Valkyrie and try to make it look acceptable

If the recut Predator is true, that'd be great. The sponsons are a horrendous design currently and break if you even look at them.

Well, I for one am interested.

Although the cynical part of me is thinking that this is being released in WD rather than as a book because they had to squeeze it in out of the normal release schedule in order to make the Stormraven available to everybody, to forestall the complaints.

Some missing IG tanks - sure.
Easy to built Russes always welcome.

But why expect a storm-raven? Is there any hint or illustration of its design?
No?

Maybe consider that all IG tanks had at least illustrations in their codex and will also look like them, rising the chances of
the converters to work out their own before any 'official' model is available.

Heard nothing of the looks of a Storm-Raven.
I would wait with such vehicle until the next SM release ( if there are not so many new kits/upgrades needed ) to have something
to sell then.....

I wouldn't expect to see the Storm Raven, simply because if it was coming this soon then surely there'd be art in the codex for it.

1hadhq wrote:But why expect a storm-raven? Is there any hint or illustration of its design?

I'm not expecting a kit. Just a rules entry that makes it available to all Chapters.

A Griffon would be a welcome addition. Though chances are that there will be a new recut Russ with three or four options, fingers crossed.

Maybe a Mycetic Spore?!

I think it would be a smart move to release the new Space Marine transport flyer ASAP. And as far as I know, some people have already seen the model in some stage of development.

I really, really want to loot one.

This is the summer Event i was talking about

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CT GAMER wrote:The kasrkin models are garbage.

In your opinion.

Ever since their release we've seen quite a few people who adore them though.

Usually when people post something it is their opinion. I didn't think I needed to specify that point...

Alpharius wrote:Can you keep the thread on topic, and not about which version of Stormtrooper model you love and/or hate?

If someone wants to start that conversation over in 40K General Discussion, be my guest...

The timing of this announcement has caused quite a dilemma for me with FW's open day at the end of the month.

I've recently started a guard army and was planning on picking up some FW tanks and artillery. It's probable that there'll be a new LR set and possible that one or more of the Hydra/Griffon/Medusa/Manticore will get a model (I think the Colossus is unlikely). Given the extra hassle of building resin I'd certainly prefer plastic, but it's unlikely all of the above will see plastic kits. Guessing exactly what's going to get a new release is going to be a challenge.

Stickmonkey over at Warseer just added this:

Tanks! I can now confirm Tanks are coming...following the Incoming email...unfortunately, I can't go into more detail. I will say the age of the hybrid kit is soon to end. Some of you have already made some good guesses.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/284291.page

Sounds like a confirmation on a revised Fire Prism tank. Hope they sell the conversion parts for updating old kits.

Seems a little silly to me that they're making an expansion that is geared towards everyone being in transports supported by armor. It's kind of what everyone (except bugs and necrons) does with this new edition. Eh, if adding some stuff to a White Dwarf means putting out new models though, I can fully support that. The rest of the IG line would be very nice to have I must say.

Stormtrooper X wrote:Seems a little silly to me that they're making an expansion that is geared towards everyone being in transports supported by armor. It's kind of what everyone (except bugs and necrons) does with this new edition. Eh, if adding some stuff to a White Dwarf means putting out new models though, I can fully support that. The rest of the IG line would be very nice to have I must say.

It is possible that it might have themed scenarios (like Battle Missions) for each army showing how they use their mechanized elements.

So it might be that if you play the ork scenario you will play a speed freaky type force with some added scenario rules/bonuses, but the opponent might not have to be mechanized nor get any scenario boost for being so, etc.,
etc.

Point being the scenarios might be designed to show battles in which one mechanized force fights another force that isn't or that isnt required to be.

You might have a convoy ambush scenario, etc., etc.

1hadhq wrote:Some missing IG tanks - sure.
Easy to built Russes always welcome.

But why expect a storm-raven? Is there any hint or illustration of its design?
No?

Oh, I don't expect there'll be a Storm Raven at all, it's just wishful thinking on my part

I'd be happy enough with better sponsons for Predators really. I'm sure any Eldar players would love a plastic Fire Prism too, I remember how badly the metal parts lined up, and how badly they affected the weight balance of the model

CT GAMER wrote:

Stormtrooper X wrote:Seems a little silly to me that they're making an expansion that is geared towards everyone being in transports supported by armor. It's kind of what everyone (except bugs and necrons) does with this new edition. Eh, if adding some stuff to a White Dwarf means putting out new models though, I can fully support that. The rest of the IG line would be very nice to have I must say.

It is possible that it might have themed scenarios (like Battle Missions) for each army showing how they use their mechanized elements.

So it might be that if you play the ork scenario you will play a speed freaky type force with some added scenario rules/bonuses, but the opponent might not have to be mechanized nor get any scenario boost for being so, etc.,
etc.

Point being the scenarios might be designed to show battles in which one mechanized force fights another force that isn't or that isnt required to be.

You might have a convoy ambush scenario, etc., etc.

I keep wanting to think that this is less Mechanized Infantry(Transported troops back up by tanks) and more Armored Company(Tank HQs, Tank Troops, etc. supported by a few transported Troops for objectives). You know, Tank Clashes, like the Eldar/Tallarn vs Iron Warriors Battle for Tallarn.

I hope I'm right, as that would make it more than just what everyone normally does now with their armies.

Platuan4th wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

Stormtrooper X wrote:Seems a little silly to me that they're making an expansion that is geared towards everyone being in transports supported by armor. It's kind of what everyone (except bugs and necrons) does with this new edition. Eh, if adding some stuff to a White Dwarf means putting out new models though, I can fully support that. The rest of the IG line would be very nice to have I must say.

It is possible that it might have themed scenarios (like Battle Missions) for each army showing how they use their mechanized elements.

So it might be that if you play the ork scenario you will play a speed freaky type force with some added scenario rules/bonuses, but the opponent might not have to be mechanized nor get any scenario boost for being so, etc.,
etc.

Point being the scenarios might be designed to show battles in which one mechanized force fights another force that isn't or that isnt required to be.

You might have a convoy ambush scenario, etc., etc.

I keep wanting to think that this is less Mechanized Infantry(Transported troops back up by tanks) and more Armored Company(Tank HQs, Tank Troops, etc. supported by a few transported Troops for objectives). You know, Tank Clashes, like the Eldar/Tallarn vs Iron Warriors Battle for Tallarn.

I hope I'm right, as that would make it more than just what everyone normally does now with their armies.

I think there's a good chance of that, soudns like the aim is to drive vehicle sales through the roof and nothing would do that better then allowing players to field whole squads of vehicles as troops. I think it could be very cool, Orks can field bikes as troops now but being able to take buggie squads would be ace, Gorkamorka on a grand scale!

Maybe Iron Warriors will get their Basilisks back, given how successful the new kit has been

Havik110 wrote:

Flashman wrote:Mechanised assaults? New Kits? This can only herald the appearance of yet another Land Raider variant

the flying type that can carry a unit and a dread?

A land raider that contains a land raider.

The Watcher in the Dark wrote:Maybe Iron Warriors will get their Basilisks back, given how successful the new kit has been

Now that is funny!

And, quite possibly, something that GW should (would??) do!

Platuan4th wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

Stormtrooper X wrote:Seems a little silly to me that they're making an expansion that is geared towards everyone being in transports supported by armor. It's kind of what everyone (except bugs and necrons) does with this new edition. Eh, if adding some stuff to a White Dwarf means putting out new models though, I can fully support that. The rest of the IG line would be very nice to have I must say.

It is possible that it might have themed scenarios (like Battle Missions) for each army showing how they use their mechanized elements.

So it might be that if you play the ork scenario you will play a speed freaky type force with some added scenario rules/bonuses, but the opponent might not have to be mechanized nor get any scenario boost for being so, etc.,
etc.

Point being the scenarios might be designed to show battles in which one mechanized force fights another force that isn't or that isnt required to be.

You might have a convoy ambush scenario, etc., etc.

I keep wanting to think that this is less Mechanized Infantry(Transported troops back up by tanks) and more Armored Company(Tank HQs, Tank Troops, etc. supported by a few transported Troops for objectives). You know, Tank Clashes, like the Eldar/Tallarn vs Iron Warriors Battle for Tallarn.

I hope I'm right, as that would make it more than just what everyone normally does now with their armies.

Maybe something radical with the FOrce org. chart like allowing any vehicle to count as a troop choice in addition to whatever it normally is so you could three squadrons of Leman Russ as H. Support and up to six additional squadrons as troop choices, etc.

or

Maybe a requirement that all units taken be a vehicle or have a transport

Hopefully some option to allow the use of Super heavy vehicles.

Hopefully it uses the stratagem system...

Branderic wrote:

Havik110 wrote:

Flashman wrote:Mechanised assaults? New Kits? This can only herald the appearance of yet another Land Raider variant

the flying type that can carry a unit and a dread?

A land raider that contains a land raider.

The Tur-Duck-En of the Warhammer 40k universe.

Stormtrooper X wrote:Seems a little silly to me that they're making an expansion that is geared towards everyone being in transports supported by armor. It's kind of what everyone (except bugs and necrons) does with this new edition. Eh, if adding some stuff to a White Dwarf means putting out new models though, I can fully support that. The rest of the IG line would be very nice to have I must say.

Did you read the comments on the GW site today...

Carl also mentioned in his email that he had begun work on a second Venerable Dreadnought and would then be adding a third - he'll be well prepared for Spearhead.

..sounds to me like these new rules might be some way of having squadrons or apocalypse style formations of vehicles possibly.

...also be a good way to maybe, kind of, start doing some playtesting towards working out what you want to do with vehicles in 6th edition wouldn't it too ?

Did you see the way they cropped the artwork in the Spearhead article compared to the newsletter announcement ?

So much for "the year of Fantasy."

reds8n wrote:
Did you see the way they cropped the artwork in the Spearhead article compared to the newsletter announcement ?

Yes, but considering that piece of artwork is 10 years old, how significant is it?

Death By Monkeys wrote:

reds8n wrote:
Did you see the way they cropped the artwork in the Spearhead article compared to the newsletter announcement ?

Yes, but considering that piece of artwork is 10 years old, how significant is it?

Well, since I chimed in early on this one, I guess I have to defend the idea a bit...

I do seem to recall something about Stormravens being "mistaken" for Thunderhawks... I could easily see that as the post-facto justification for using a 10-year old "mistake" as the design for a "new" flyer.

Again, I certainly wouldn't argue this one to the grave, but that "Thunderhawk" in the Spearhead/Land Raider picture definitely does not look like a Thunderhawk. It has a flat bottom (with, apparently, two hatches) vice the bent bottom of the TH. The horizontal stabilizers in the back appear to be dihedral vice flat on a TH. The canards look different. No obvious engine intakes at the wing roots. No "chin" HB mounts. The wing-mounted HB look very different. All could be an artist's mistake, of course. It could be explained away, I suppose, as a different TH variant. Could also be a case of that "mistake" becoming the basis for a new model, with a little retcon about the Stormraven looking like a Thunderhawk. Or perhaps they'd sketched the idea out years ago but left it on the wayside.

This really is more a case, for me at least, of "it's fun to speculate", but what the heck... It's fun to speculate!

Valete,

JohnS

Hmm..

Just sounds like another expansion thats just going to get absorbed into Apoc..

Maybe if im lucky, ill get my IG AC rules back on an official status. (looks at 4k AC sitting on shelf collecting dust)

reds8n wrote:...also be a good way to maybe, kind of, start doing some playtesting towards working out what you want to do with vehicles in 6th edition wouldn't it too ?

I'd like to ask for a little clarification of this little tidbit...

Is there something rumored about 6th edition and vehicles? Could they possibly be adding more vehicles onto the table?

Hmm i always thought that thing was this

Well the vehicle rules certainly can't get any worse, so if this is a clandestine play test, then good.

They can start by upping the strength of defensive weapon and maybe allowing guns on tanks to fire at different targets so that defensive weapons can act, y'know, defensively.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Well the vehicle rules certainly can't get any worse, so if this is a clandestine play test, then good.

They can start by upping the strength of defensive weapon and maybe allowing guns on tanks to fire at different targets so that defensive weapons can act, y'know, defensively.

Madness!!

Though maybe not, now that they have sold enough Battlewagons and Crusaders to gain the benefits of the S4 defensive fire rule, they will change it to S5 to see a new kit.

lords2001 wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Well the vehicle rules certainly can't get any worse, so if this is a clandestine play test, then good.

They can start by upping the strength of defensive weapon and maybe allowing guns on tanks to fire at different targets so that defensive weapons can act, y'know, defensively.

Madness!!

Though maybe not, now that they have sold enough Battlewagons and Crusaders to gain the benefits of the S4 defensive fire rule, they will change it to S5 to see a new kit.

Huh?

Crusaders yes, B-wagons only have 1 gun that could be used as defensive (a kannon) and then only in blast mode.

Back to the most important thing though. NEW BUGGIES!

Yes, yes, yes and more yes.

The current model is IIRC the oldest thing in the current 40k range. It is laughably out of scale with the rest of the range and especially with other orks. And it has no rokkits! Which are the only things anyone uses them for on the tabletop anyway.

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:The current model is IIRC the oldest thing in the current 40k range.

Avatar
Eldrad
Phoenix Lords
Warp Spiders
Numerous Warocks
Leman Russ (IIRC)
Wraith Guard (maybe...)

Probably the Jetbikes as well. Not the Vypr, just the regular ones.

Here's hoping for a legal IG armored company list.

the current IG list can't have nearly enough tanks for my liking.

I'm remarkably meh on this expansion. I guess I'm a reformed tread head.

Or it could be that Tau already have all their Tank kits out.

Seriously underwhelmed by this. Wow you can play with loads of tanks! That's a standard game of 40k nowadays. The only good that can come out of this is new vehicle models. Definitely need some new trukks, even though I do love the GorkaMorka ones. Some of the coolest vehicles, just horribly out of scale, and no real options for them.

Oshova

H.B.M.C. wrote:

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:The current model is IIRC the oldest thing in the current 40k range.

Avatar
Eldrad
Phoenix Lords
Warp Spiders
Numerous Warocks

Wraith Guard (maybe...)

Probably the Jetbikes as well. Not the Vypr, just the regular ones.

Yikes!

I just realized how old a lot of the Eldar stuff is. A lot of it has aged fairly well (with the exception of one Jain-Zar) but still, it's time for some new stuff.

Vladsimpaler wrote:Yikes!

I just realized how old a lot of the Eldar stuff is. A lot of it has aged fairly well (with the exception of one Jain-Zar) but still, it's time for some new stuff.

Some of them are still excellent models though. Baharroth? Fugean? They're fantastic and I hope they never change them. Eldrad is... nice... but given the more recent Farseers I'm sure they could do more with him. The Avatar needs to be bigger. I've never liked Jain Zar.

But even some of the stuff they don't sell is really good. The old Striking Scorpions are great. I mean, when they redid the Dark Reapers last time Jes made 'em go back to the old style, as that's how good they were. I really do hope they don't let anyone else 'sides Jes near Eldar next time around. If they don't, he'll just end up fixing mistakes all over again (eg. 3rd Ed Hive Tyrant, Carnifex, Striking Scorpions, Dark Reapers, Banshees, etc.).


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Oshova wrote:Seriously underwhelmed by this. Wow you can play with loads of tanks! That's a standard game of 40k nowadays. The only good that can come out of this is new vehicle models. Definitely need some new trukks, even though I do love the GorkaMorka ones. Some of the coolest vehicles, just horribly out of scale, and no real options for them.

Look at it as a glass-half-full thing. If this really is a giant way of play-testing potential new tank rules it means that things might actually improve in 6th Ed.

Oshova wrote:Seriously underwhelmed by this. Wow you can play with loads of tanks! That's a standard game of 40k nowadays. The only good that can come out of this is new vehicle models. Definitely need some new trukks, even though I do love the GorkaMorka ones. Some of the coolest vehicles, just horribly out of scale, and no real options for them.

Oshova

I'm guessing you mean buggies? The trukks out right now are gorgeous.

Eldar might well be very happy. Death to hybrid kits. There's a chance that the kit might make two variants -- maybe there's something in those Nightspinner rumours from a while back.

Otherwise...

..there's talk, which sounds plausible enough to me, of a "new" (or recut I guess) Leman Russ kit and another Guard kit which may well be artillery of some form or other. Personally I'm hoping for a Manticore as I have designs on using 3 of the buggers in a traitor guard list I'm sort of working on.

Some info from BramGaunt on Warseer about the new kits released with Spearhead:

BramGaunt wrote:Imperial Guard Leman Russ Battle tank - price as the new demolisher
Imperial Guard Manticore/Death Strike Missile - same price as above
Eldar Fire Prism - same price as above.
There is no recut predator so far, no thunderwolves, no new orc buggies, no storm raven, no Dark Eldar stuff at all. I'll keep my eyes open, though.

He's guessing that the Leman Russ kit has all the missing variants included aswell, and that the Manticore/DSM kit has the Hydra's autocannons also included in the kit. Time will tell if this is indeed the case. I certainly hope so.

Deadshane1 wrote:"Spearhead is a new way to play Warhammer 40,000......"

I ask the same question that I ask with all of these releases, "Whats wrong with the old way?"

Optional variety keeps everything fresh.

reds8n wrote:Eldar might well be very happy. Death to hybrid kits. There's a chance that the kit might make two variants -- maybe there's something in those Nightspinner rumours from a while back.

Otherwise...

..there's talk, which sounds plausible enough to me, of a "new" (or recut I guess) Leman Russ kit and another Guard kit which may well be artillery of some form or other. Personally I'm hoping for a Manticore as I have designs on using 3 of the buggers in a traitor guard list I'm sort of working on.

All good stuff but do you know if the Ork buggy box is/isn't coming with this release?

Gargskull wrote:All good stuff but do you know if the Ork buggy box is/isn't coming with this release?

Like I said a 3 posts up, none have been seen so far. Doesn't completely rule them out, as they might just have eluded him, but BramGaunt has been right with other releases so far, so I wouldn't get your hopes up too much.

Yeah, Mr. Redemption covers it pretty much.

I did hear some talk a while back about a new buggy release and, erroneously, thought this would come out with the battle missions stuff. As/when/if I hear anthing so will you.

Imperial Guard Leman Russ Battle tank - price as the new demolisher

It better be more than just a Russ. We don't want another Basilisk on our hands.

H.B.M.C. wrote:It better be more than just a Russ. We don't want another Basilisk on our hands.

Well, unless I'm mistaking, the old Leman Russ Battle Cannon, unlike the Basilisk's Earthshaker, wouldn't fit on the new recut chassis as they changed the way the turret connects to the body (the insert and turn 90 degrees to lock thingy). So that would mean they'd have to recut the turret sprue, increasing the chances that the other 4 variants are included on said sprue.

Increasing the chances, yes.

GW wrote:As if a whole new Expansion wasn't exciting enough, it's going to be accompanied by a range of new miniatures including some stunning new plastic kits

Buying recut versions of tanks I already own does not excite me.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Increasing the chances, yes.

Well, the laws of probability math and GW don't always mesh well.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I mean, when they redid the Dark Reapers last time Jes made 'em go back to the old style, as that's how good they were. I really do hope they don't let anyone else 'sides Jes near Eldar next time around. If they don't, he'll just end up fixing mistakes all over again (eg. 3rd Ed Hive Tyrant, Carnifex, Striking Scorpions, Dark Reapers, Banshees, etc.).

I never liked the Reapers with ears. Love the 3rd edition models though. The ones who only have skulls as helmets.

Look at it as a glass-half-full thing. If this really is a giant way of play-testing potential new tank rules it means that things might actually improve in 6th Ed.

Playtesting through the WD? Wouldn't that require GW listening to their fans?

reds8n wrote:Eldar might well be very happy. Death to hybrid kits. There's a chance that the kit might make two variants -- maybe there's something in those Nightspinner rumours from a while back.

I like the sound of that. That would actually get me to buy another Eldar tank. I just hope they finally release new Jetbikes.

reds8n wrote:I did hear some talk a while back about a new buggy release and, erroneously, thought this would come out with the battle missions stuff. As/when/if I hear anthing so will you.

I hope it's soon. They desperatly need it.

Redemption wrote:

Gargskull wrote:All good stuff but do you know if the Ork buggy box is/isn't coming with this release?

Like I said a 3 posts up, none have been seen so far. Doesn't completely rule them out, as they might just have eluded him, but BramGaunt has been right with other releases so far, so I wouldn't get your hopes up too much.

reds8n wrote:Yeah, Mr. Redemption covers it pretty much.

I did hear some talk a while back about a new buggy release and, erroneously, thought this would come out with the battle missions stuff. As/when/if I hear anthing so will you.

That's a shame, I know we've been spoiled rotten lately but buggies was at the top of the wishlist, still two and a half months to go though so my fingers will remain crossed.

Cheers for the info though.

I am still wondering which new expansion is going to include the release of plastic stormtroopers and rough riders?

Funny how there has to be a new expansion these days to warrant releasing new minis. I quite liked the wave system, but GW got bored of that very quickly.

Flashman wrote:Funny how there has to be a new expansion these days to warrant releasing new minis. I quite liked the wave system, but GW got bored of that very quickly.

GW seems to want releases to be themed and I guess this is just another way of doing that, waves work fine but then it's just one army getting new stuff, this way a bunch of armies get new stuff and everybody gets new rules/ideas to play with.

I expect waves will still be in effect for amries that need a lot of updating. There's an Orc n' Gobbo wave* in may.

*I'm not convinced or happy that two new kits and a repack can count as a wave but that's another matter entirely.

Flashman wrote:Funny how there has to be a new expansion these days to warrant releasing new minis. I quite liked the wave system, but GW got bored of that very quickly.

Just smart marketing.

Little Timmy will convince mommy that he needs those three new tanks to go with his new expansion book...

Does this sound like a summer campaign to anyone else?

Gargskull wrote:

Flashman wrote:Funny how there has to be a new expansion these days to warrant releasing new minis. I quite liked the wave system, but GW got bored of that very quickly.

GW seems to want releases to be themed and I guess this is just another way of doing that, waves work fine but then it's just one army getting new stuff, this way a bunch of armies get new stuff and everybody gets new rules/ideas to play with.

Well we had 'Terrain' for Planetstrike, 'Walkers' for Battle Missions and what seems like 'Tanks' for Spearhead. I wonder what the next one could be; 'Monstrous Creatures' (Demon Prince, Tyranid gribblies), 'Elite Infantry' (Stormtroopers, Mega Nobs, Wraithguard), or maybe something like 'Transports/Fast Stuff' (Storm Raven, Mycetic Spore, Ork Buggies)?

I think it is as close to the Warmachine style of release as GW can get.

I am waiting for the Cavalry WHFB release. Most of the armies have sub-par cav or options that need filling.

I used to like it when every now and then they would just surprise us with a new individual release that wasn't tied to a recent codex. It was worth buying WD back in the days when you opened it to find that they had just released a plastic CSM squad. Seems this only happens pretty rarely now (Legion of the Damned). Expansions are fine if they mean we get new models out of sync with codex and wave releases but it would be nice if they didn't tend to hold so much back for the big releases and just released some of the stuff they have finished.

Redemption wrote:

Gargskull wrote:

Flashman wrote:Funny how there has to be a new expansion these days to warrant releasing new minis. I quite liked the wave system, but GW got bored of that very quickly.

GW seems to want releases to be themed and I guess this is just another way of doing that, waves work fine but then it's just one army getting new stuff, this way a bunch of armies get new stuff and everybody gets new rules/ideas to play with.

Well we had 'Terrain' for Planetstrike, 'Walkers' for Battle Missions and what seems like 'Tanks' for Spearhead. I wonder what the next one could be; 'Monstrous Creatures' (Demon Prince, Tyranid gribblies), 'Elite Infantry' (Stormtroopers, Mega Nobs, Wraithguard), or maybe something like 'Transports/Fast Stuff' (Storm Raven, Mycetic Spore, Ork Buggies)?

All sound ideas, I really can't wait to get plastic meganobz in particular.

Yeah I meant buggies =p

@Watcher in the Dark

The amount of releases like that are increasing, as has been GWs plan since last year. They've been letting designers do what they want, hence leaving spaces in codices that have no models. But sadly they haven't really reached to demand, maybe because the designers don't want to do those models, or because they're still concentrating on new codex releases. Hopefully we will get plastic Stormtroopers soon, maybe with the release of =][= codex late this year =D . . . seriously, that's a big load of hope right there =p

Oshova

The Watcher in the Dark wrote:I used to like it when every now and then they would just surprise us with a new individual release that wasn't tied to a recent codex. It was worth buying WD back in the days when you opened it to find that they had just released a plastic CSM squad. Seems this only happens pretty rarely now (Legion of the Damned). Expansions are fine if they mean we get new models out of sync with codex and wave releases but it would be nice if they didn't tend to hold so much back for the big releases and just released some of the stuff they have finished.

They've sort of done that with this marine statue set, announcing and releasing it on it's own. The 'surprise' just came by e-mail newsletter rather then seeing it in white dwarf and of course wasn't a surprise at all because of the internet full stop.


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Redemption wrote:

Gargskull wrote:

Flashman wrote:Funny how there has to be a new expansion these days to warrant releasing new minis. I quite liked the wave system, but GW got bored of that very quickly.

GW seems to want releases to be themed and I guess this is just another way of doing that, waves work fine but then it's just one army getting new stuff, this way a bunch of armies get new stuff and everybody gets new rules/ideas to play with.

Well we had 'Terrain' for Planetstrike, 'Walkers' for Battle Missions and what seems like 'Tanks' for Spearhead. I wonder what the next one could be; 'Monstrous Creatures' (Demon Prince, Tyranid gribblies), 'Elite Infantry' (Stormtroopers, Mega Nobs, Wraithguard), or maybe something like 'Transports/Fast Stuff' (Storm Raven, Mycetic Spore, Ork Buggies)?

One more I'd really like to see, a small supplement in WD for pitting HQ's against each other, they've done this a few times so it's not a lot of work for them but the models released could be hot stuff, namely mutlipart plastics for Necron Lord, Ork warboss, Tyranid Swarmlord etc

reds8n wrote:I did hear some talk a while back about a new buggy release and, erroneously, thought this would come out with the battle missions stuff. As/when/if I hear anthing so will you.

My source has also been implying new buggy releases as well. In fact, he was betting on them being released before the Kanz just recently.

Death By Monkeys wrote:

reds8n wrote:I did hear some talk a while back about a new buggy release and, erroneously, thought this would come out with the battle missions stuff. As/when/if I hear anthing so will you.

My source has also been implying new buggy releases as well. In fact, he was betting on them being released before the Kanz just recently.

Damn, I wish they'd just confirm stuff. That way I can know how to budget for their releases. At this point, I'm just holding my money until the things I want come out. It'd be nice if I knew how long I'd have to wait.

Death By Monkeys wrote:

reds8n wrote:I did hear some talk a while back about a new buggy release and, erroneously, thought this would come out with the battle missions stuff. As/when/if I hear anthing so will you.

My source has also been implying new buggy releases as well. In fact, he was betting on them being released before the Kanz just recently.

So they could well be done, dusted and ready for release. Makes you wonder just how long ago they cut the moulds, with some new plastic kits you can very clearly see they were done a while ago and just held back whereas other's just look literally cutting edge.

Yeah if I had one wish it would be a new leman russ battle tank with a pile of variant guns, go treadheads!!

I really hope this is better than battle missions. The release was a disappointment to me. I just wanted ONE FREAKING independent character (Master of the Forge). That model SHOULD NOT need to be converted from your run of the mill tech marine. He should be special. I do like the theme idea they have going. Makes releases more exciting.

Heh dont get me started on Battle Missions. Stil have to find the person at our store, that considers that thing worth the money youd need to spend.

Now yes were all voting with our wallet on that one, stop bringing out books that no one needs. Eldar all get outflanking for a special scenario, as if veteran gamers who are fed up with the 3 standard missions cant think if something like that for themselves when doind a campaign for example :S.

Battle Missions is selling quite well at my local stores and I rather enjoy picking my way through it myself.

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:
The current model is IIRC the oldest thing in the current 40k range. It is laughably out of scale with the rest of the range and especially with other orks. And it has no rokkits! Which are the only things anyone uses them for on the tabletop anyway.

No it actually a multi-melta for when orks used imperial guns, so there goes the WYSIWYG right out of the window. There was once a suggestion that you should use it as a Kustom Mega Blasta (aka plasma cannon) in the ork 3rd edition codex. Now it has no use what-so-ever as it looks nothing alike the new Kustom Mega Blasta.

And with the new Killa Kans and Deff Dread I think that makes it pritty much a certainty that their will be new buggy/track on the way. Wonder if the skorcha will be included in the kit or as an upgrade pack???

In regards to the silliest stuff they've been releasing:

eg. Marines on giant wolves = Space Wolves, Marines with angels wings = Blood Angels...will the Dark Angels be dark?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Imperial Guard Leman Russ Battle tank - price as the new demolisher

It better be more than just a Russ. We don't want another Basilisk on our hands.

Im going to throw a wild guess , but this time it will have a heavy bolter but missing a heavy flamer

You mean like the LS Storm with a heavy bolter inside but missing the heavy flamer that would negate their not so good BS ^^.

I don't know if many people here read warseer as well as dakka dakka but over in their spearhead there are some frankly crazy awesome rumours being thrown around.

A couple of guys, and these are guys supposedly in the know, not nobody's, are saying Eldar will be getting some new stuff (not just a fire prism), guard are expecting a manticore, hydra and deathstrike combo kit (I find this hard to swallow but otoh they'd never sell the deathstrike on it's own) in addition to the new leman russ.

Not to mention the teasing talk of eldar superheavy's and the stormraven coming later in the year.

It's getting very hard to discern fact from fiction.

If the hydra/maticore/deathstrike rumour is true though, it'll be a must have for my Ork projects.

Gargskull wrote:

It's getting very hard to discern fact from fiction.

Stray ye not to Warseer, for that way lies insanity...

...and the blue on black writing makes my head hurt

Lol, you can change that, first thing I did.

ct Gamer said:

close quarter/instillation invasion (fighting inside tunnel/bunker complexes a la Space Hulk)?

Those rules already exist in Imperial armour four.

Argh Gamesworkshop seem intent on stopping me collecting a full army, just started full infantry IG.

I don't think they'll release an Eldar superheavy without making a new Codex first.

Anung Un Rama wrote:I don't think they'll release an Eldar superheavy without making a new Codex first.

Apocalypse kits don't require a new codex.

The Eldar superheavy rumours are quite consistent and frequent, GW have been doing an apocalypse release once a year since it's launch too.

Lorgar's Herald wrote:

ct Gamer said:

close quarter/instillation invasion (fighting inside tunnel/bunker complexes a la Space Hulk)?

Those rules already exist in Imperial armour four.

Argh Gamesworkshop seem intent on stopping me collecting a full army, just started full infantry IG.

Yes I know, but GW is not above bringing things from FW into the official side of things: take Baneblades for example.

The Cobra and Scorpion are both pretty simple kits to make but do you really think they would release an Eldar kit before a Thunderhawk?

don't know if many people here read warseer as well as dakka dakka but over in their spearhead there are some frankly crazy awesome rumours being thrown around.

The operative words here are "crazy" and "rumours". A lot of that sounds too good to be true and it might be best to moderate expectations till more information is available so as not to be disappointed in June.

Spamming marine codices is not enough now GW has to spam strange mission books. From a business perspective I suppose writing some half-cocked mission books to accompany new model releases is the way to go. Compared to the development of the models the cost of the books is a pittance.

BrassScorpion wrote:

don't know if many people here read warseer as well as dakka dakka but over in their spearhead there are some frankly crazy awesome rumours being thrown around.

The operative words here are "crazy" and "rumours". A lot of that sounds too good to be true and it might be best to moderate expectations till more information is available so as not to be disappointed in June.

Oh I do, I'm not new to internet rumour mills I can assure you.

I've already gotten over the fact that new Ork buggies in june was just poo poo'ed yesterday.

Latest from GW on this:

This June the Imperial Guard unveil yet more of their armoured might. However they are not the only force ready to unleash powerful, death dealing weapons.

The manafactorums have been working overtime this past year to supply the frontline regiments with tanks to pound the enemies of the Imperium into dust. This summer they're stepping up production once more as yet more vehicles rumble off the production lines.

Not to be outdone by the Imperial Guard, the Bonesingers of the enigmatic Eldar have begun to craft new and elegant vehicles. In June the Eldar are gaining several new plastic kits, including a brand new tank. You can find all the information you need, including the rules and background for this vehicle, in White Dwarf 366.

Brother SRM wrote:Latest from GW on this:

This June the Imperial Guard unveil yet more of their armoured might. However they are not the only force ready to unleash powerful, death dealing weapons.

The manafactorums have been working overtime this past year to supply the frontline regiments with tanks to pound the enemies of the Imperium into dust. This summer they're stepping up production once more as yet more vehicles rumble off the production lines.

Not to be outdone by the Imperial Guard, the Bonesingers of the enigmatic Eldar have begun to craft new and elegant vehicles. In June the Eldar are gaining several new plastic kits, including a brand new tank. You can find all the information you need, including the rules and background for this vehicle, in White Dwarf 366.

I'm going to cry if they don't stop teasing me.

Several new kits for Eldar? So, I would guess at least 3.

New Tank (Web spinner?)
Fire Prism (combined with Webspinner)
We have seen Jetbikes, will they finally appear?

Please, dear Lord, Wraithguard?

Well that's just more or less confirmed the warseer rumour's I was referring to earlier.

The new tank is rumoured to be a, er, I think it was called a fire storm?

I personally think this is completely silly concept, but of course there will be enough people around to buy into it and spend money on new kits as well (only £ 49.90 )

Massed tank battles on 40k table? Did they miss a game called EPIC?

Some of us already have large collections of vehicles and rather enjoy games that encourage their use. I never had any interest in Epic, I like using the larger models I'm already painting in large quantities. Judging by the success of Apocalypse, I'm not alone.

Rules for models in White Dwarf? The last time that happened, Doomrider came to be. I can't wait to return to the heady days of the early 90s GW. Stock up on red paint now!

Scottywan82 wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:Latest from GW on this:

This June the Imperial Guard unveil yet more of their armoured might. However they are not the only force ready to unleash powerful, death dealing weapons.

The manafactorums have been working overtime this past year to supply the frontline regiments with tanks to pound the enemies of the Imperium into dust. This summer they're stepping up production once more as yet more vehicles rumble off the production lines.

Not to be outdone by the Imperial Guard, the Bonesingers of the enigmatic Eldar have begun to craft new and elegant vehicles. In June the Eldar are gaining several new plastic kits, including a brand new tank. You can find all the information you need, including the rules and background for this vehicle, in White Dwarf 366.

I'm going to cry if they don't stop teasing me.

Several new kits for Eldar? So, I would guess at least 3.

New Tank (Web spinner?)
Fire Prism (combined with Webspinner)
We have seen Jetbikes, will they finally appear?

Please, dear Lord, Wraithguard?

A new Eldar tank outside of the Codex does suggest an Apocalypse release. However, I too will be praying harder for plastic Wraithguard.

Lorgar's Herald wrote:

ct Gamer said:

close quarter/instillation invasion (fighting inside tunnel/bunker complexes a la Space Hulk)?

Those rules already exist in Imperial armour four.

And GW already did Boarding Party rules during 4th in an obscure 40K/BFG crossover book that I seem to be the only person to remember being released(seriously, I can't find it anywhere online).

Basically, it was small point games with no vehicles(except maybe dreads, it's been awhile) and a restriction on the types and strength of weapons(no Meltas, nothing over St 7, IIRC, because those things would puncture the hull).

That actually got released? I remember that they were working and planning on it, but I never heard of anything else about it. Was supposed to be called "Battlezone: Zeropoint" or something like that. They kept being excited about it and wanting to do it at the two Games Days following the Eye of Terror event--and then just stopped talking about it.

To clear up what was said in the Warseer thread.

First, as quoted above, it is about the Spearhead releases in June, accompanied by rules and stuff in WD #366 (and supported by the website). The GW text confirms several new IG tanks and several new Eldar plastic kits, including a new tank. So they are not Apocalypse releases.

Daemon Prince Adramalech added the following cryptic vision:

Daemon Prince Adramalech wrote:The veil parts...

Through the mists the daemon spies a great battle raging on the surface of a long forgotten world. The hammer of the Corpse God is being wielded against the bright soul sparks of an ancient race much coveted by one of his kind. Missile after missile streak over head, launched from the humans crude mechanical workhorses. Tanks in the shape of wolves hurtle across the battlefield of every type imaginable.

Across the battlefield graceful tanks float unhindered across the carnage, some with shining crystal shards, pulsing with energy, destroying tanks with every flicker. Others unleashing a black morass, slicing humans to pieces with every burst. To the south a group of bright soul sparks fire a weapon that hits one of the wulfen tanks with a screech born not of this realm. A hole opens and the tank folds down as if being crushed and disapears into the baleful glow of the portal, the lesser daemons feed well on the pitiful human sparks contained within the metal beast.

As the battle rages the daemon draws back sensing that it will soon reach its zenith. The sky turns red as if the clouds themselves are a flame, the daemon sees a brief glimpse of a missile larger than any that has come before. As the fiery clouds part the bright soul sparks flicker in fear, the corpse god has sent them a gift...

The vision fades, the veil draws close....the daemon smiles.

People familiar with Eldar and Imperial background concluded the following
1.) "Hammer of the Corpse God" = IG vs. "bright soul sparks of an ancient race" = Eldar
2.) Manticore, maybe including variants like Deathstrike ("Missile after missile")
3.) Leman Russ, much expected ("Tanks in the shape of wolves")
4.) Full plastic Fire Prism tank ("shining crystal shards")
5.) Night Spinner, new tank, maybe combined with Fire Prism tank kit ("black morass, slicing humans to pieces")
6.) Eldar heavy weapon platform with a.o. a D-cannon ("A hole opens and the tank folds down")
7.) Deathstrike Missile, see Manticore entry ("missile larger than any")

Summary: One Manticore/DeathStrike (/Hydra? probably not) kit, one Leman Russ recut, one Fire Prism/Night Spinner kit plus one Eldar heavy weapon platform kit, all 4 fully plastic. According to BramGaunt, all tank kits are priced like the Demolisher.

Short reminder: Deathstrike missile was originally launched by a Chimera chassis:
http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k327/mockier/Shogo%20Tech%20Guard/Deathstrike%20Missile%20Launcher/MK2Deathstrike.jpg

The Eldar superheavy talk in that thread was just a misinterpretation of "2 Eldar tanks a tad bigger than a Predator" (= Falcon hull). Some people still hope for plastic Wraith Guard and Jetbike releases, no evidence yet on their release. Anyway, Daemon Prince Adramalech adds:

Heh i've redone my entire Eldar army purely for whats coming in the next 8 months.
(...)Heh that would be telling but everything is mechanised now for a start :-)

BTW Daemon Prince Adramalech also strongly hints at Grey Knights being the SM release in autumn.

Kanluwen wrote:That actually got released? I remember that they were working and planning on it, but I never heard of anything else about it. Was supposed to be called "Battlezone: Zeropoint" or something like that. They kept being excited about it and wanting to do it at the two Games Days following the Eye of Terror event--and then just stopped talking about it.

It wasn't called Battlezone anything when released, though. It was released more as a BFG release, and features a small vignette on the cover of some Bridge Officers(and I think a Marine) discussing a chart by a huge window with BFG ships in space.

The release White Dwarf had Black Templar vs Word Bearer mini-batrep followed by a BFG mini-batrep that used the rules of how one battle affects another for linking the two systems.

Edit: Remembered the name, it was Battlefleet Gothic: Invasion.

I remember what you're talking about now. It was about the size of the old Warhammer Fantasy: Skirmish booklet. Cost $19.99 MSRP and was a really shoddily made thing bound like an old Discovery magazine.

Yep.

Yay! more IG goodnees - hopefully not a woefully sub-par repackage...

Honestly, I can see myself buying up a few russes before the new ones come out, *just in case*

thank god the eldar range is being updated - it's about time!

Vlad

I have a Russ that needs a stripping for my new guard army. I have been waiting on it expecting a new russ kit. I kind of hope they use the new turret design.

Another tidbit from Warseer (11th February) that now makes sense:

axiom from Warseer wrote:I heard last week from an excellent internal source that the following new figures are currently at the moulding room at GW’s manufacturing facility at Lenton. The models are currently being scanned/digitally edited in preparation for tooling, have had / are having the moulds tooled, or first sprues have been produced:

• Eldar Night Spinner (first production sprues). Supposedly this is an add-on sprue to the Falcon kit with a turret similar to the FW kits.
• Re-cut Vyper (mould tooled). Don’t know if the pilot or gunner have been resculpted.
• Dark Eldar Ravager (digital editing). Weaponry very much of Eldar aesthetic, a few spikes and what appears to be a sail similar in fashion to a multi-strutted, slightly spiky Eldar BFG wraithship feel.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244500

Kroothawk wrote:Another tidbit from Warseer (11th February) that now makes sense:

axiom from Warseer wrote:I heard last week from an excellent internal source that the following new figures are currently at the moulding room at GW’s manufacturing facility at Lenton. The models are currently being scanned/digitally edited in preparation for tooling, have had / are having the moulds tooled, or first sprues have been produced:

• Eldar Night Spinner (first production sprues). Supposedly this is an add-on sprue to the Falcon kit with a turret similar to the FW kits.
• Re-cut Vyper (mould tooled). Don’t know if the pilot or gunner have been resculpted.
• Dark Eldar Ravager (digital editing). Weaponry very much of Eldar aesthetic, a few spikes and what appears to be a sail similar in fashion to a multi-strutted, slightly spiky Eldar BFG wraithship feel.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244500

That sounds plausible to me, actually. Just making a new sprue for the Night Spinner isn't a whole lot to do. I predicted a re-cut Vyper, since the model is so old, and a new Dark Eldar vehicle would be throwing a nice bone to the unsupported Dark Eldar. Also this means that if they redo one of their kits now, they won't have to when they redo the codex. In other words, more room for new releases when that actually happens. All this, a new Leman Russ and IG artillery kit, and that's one hell of a release. I'd predict the Night Spinner sprue to be direct-only like the Deffrolla.

Older than the jet bike? :\ Not sure I see the sense in recutting the vyper and keeping the ancient jet bike kit around that much longer...

And if they seriously are redoing Dark Eldar stuff then why only one thing, won't they want to replace the entire line at once? I really hope they don't just trickle out releases one at a time like that...

I kind of hope they use the new turret design.

I think it's kind of sad that we've come to the point where noone even dares to hope GW makes a new Leman Russ. Instead we're going to get another 'new Chimera' type release with a new tank commander and/or some other minor detail change to the turrent design which normal people won't even notice. As far as the other rumoured releases are concerned, seems like this isn't a 'new tank' release at all, it's a 'new turret' release. New Leman Russ turret, new Chimera turrets to make Manticores and Hydras and Death Rockets, new Eldar Falcon turrets to make Night Spinners and Fire Prisms, etc. It's just sad. The Leman Russ is so incredibly ugly that it's simply nauseating and the same also applies to the Chimera. The Eldar Falcon chassis is nice of course but it's still decades old and therefore out-dated and it could easily be stylised so that the new modern Falcons and Wave Serpent tanks would look more like the FW Cobras and Nightwings.

Why would we want a new leman russ? The current kit has aged well and fits in with the rugged practical feel of the guard. All it seems that most people want are the other weapons and sponson options.

Like I described in my previous post I don't think it's aged well as I think it's outright horrible nor do I think that it fits with any modern models. Plastic cadians, metal kasrkin, the command squad models etc are all of a higher standard than the tanks and deserve much better.

I love the way LRBT's and Chimeras look.

Think they did need an update.

Ooh new Ravager . . . If they do both Raider and Ravager out at the same time that would definitely make a lot more sense . . . maybe a kit for both?

Oshova

Oshova wrote:Ooh new Ravager . . . If they do both Raider and Ravager out at the same time that would definitely make a lot more sense . . . maybe a kit for both?

Oshova

I'd think the Ravager set would simply contain an extra sprue with just the Ravager parts(think like the Immolator kit), so I'd think that's more than a possibility.

Lorne wrote:Why would we want a new leman russ? The current kit has aged well and fits in with the rugged practical feel of the guard. All it seems that most people want are the other weapons and sponson options.

We didn't need the new Basilisk either. The Leman Russ is the last tank still using the old treads. Releasing a new kit, even half-assedly, allows GW to retire a couple sprues from production.

Yes the Chimera/Basilisk re-do was a let down. But only because people thought they were new sculpts, not just re-jigged sprues. The new sprues are better, in that they contain all the upgrades you can have. But worse, because they cost less to produce, but are still the same price IIRC

Oshova

Or more, like the Basilisk.

Oshova wrote:Yes the Chimera/Basilisk re-do was a let down. But only because people thought they were new sculpts, not just re-jigged sprues. The new sprues are better, in that they contain all the upgrades you can have. But worse, because they cost less to produce, but are still the same price IIRC

Oshova

In CDN ( canadian currency ) it actually gone up i think... 8% in price :'/
I was sort of disappointed , but no so much because i like Leman Russ more xD

Therion wrote:Like I described in my previous post I don't think it's aged well as I think it's outright horrible nor do I think that it fits with any modern models. Plastic cadians, metal kasrkin, the command squad models etc are all of a higher standard than the tanks and deserve much better.

+ 100 posts. When I look to a LR I cant avoid thinking Ork due to the unmilitary lines of the tank when compared to the rest of the IG especially now that we have Vendettas.

M.

Gargskull wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:I don't think they'll release an Eldar superheavy without making a new Codex first.

Apocalypse kits don't require a new codex.

The Eldar superheavy rumours are quite consistent and frequent, GW have been doing an apocalypse release once a year since it's launch too.

No, but Eldar need some sort of sales boost to justify the production of a Superheavy.

Platuan4th wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:That actually got released? I remember that they were working and planning on it, but I never heard of anything else about it. Was supposed to be called "Battlezone: Zeropoint" or something like that. They kept being excited about it and wanting to do it at the two Games Days following the Eye of Terror event--and then just stopped talking about it.

It wasn't called Battlezone anything when released, though. It was released more as a BFG release, and features a small vignette on the cover of some Bridge Officers(and I think a Marine) discussing a chart by a huge window with BFG ships in space.

The release White Dwarf had Black Templar vs Word Bearer mini-batrep followed by a BFG mini-batrep that used the rules of how one battle affects another for linking the two systems.

Edit: Remembered the name, it was Battlefleet Gothic: Invasion.

Sounds cool. I want that. And a Gothic fleet, while we're at it.

axiom from Warseer wrote:• Eldar Night Spinner (first production sprues). Supposedly this is an add-on sprue to the Falcon kit with a turret similar to the FW kits.
• Re-cut Vyper (mould tooled). Don’t know if the pilot or gunner have been resculpted.
• Dark Eldar Ravager (digital editing). Weaponry very much of Eldar aesthetic, a few spikes and what appears to be a sail similar in fashion to a multi-strutted, slightly spiky Eldar BFG wraithship feel.

Interesting. A new regular tank for Eldar would suggest that the new Codex is already underway.
If the Ravager is finished, wouldn't that mean that Dark Eldar as a whoe are pretty far by now?

If they realease a ravanger I hope they do not use its sale as a guide to how well they will sell. Just a new unit with no new codex is not going to generate much excitement. Well some but not a lot.

So from what I've gathered thus far the June releases are all IG and Eldar, with the majority being for Eldar. Pretty interesting turn of events there. If there's really nothing coming out for marines I'll be amazed.

This is what I think is coming based on all the rumours/hints I've seen around.

IG:
New Leman Russ with 3 or maybe 4 cannon options
Manticore/Deathstrike combo kit, no Hydra as it is not the same design as Forgeworld's one

Eldar:
Falcon/Fire Prism combo kit
Nightspinner, maybe part of the falcon but I doubt it, those are pretty big guns. Not seen any talk of variants or different builds for it but I wouldn't be surprised.
Heavy weapons platform kit

That's all the stuff that seems pretty solid, anyone know if there are any other surprises?

The new Russ kit should have all the options not currently included in the Demolisher box.

Surely, though any Manticore kit would make more sense to be made as a Hydra? Both have a quad weapon mount on the back of a Chimera chassis. The Deathstrike (quite apart from being a very silly concept that would have been better in apocalypse only) will need a completely different mount and quite a lot of large components.

The Nightspinner is an easy fix as the falcon already has a weapon mount either side of the turret - a pair of appropriate spinners and done.

The one that seems odd is the Eldar heavy weapons as that would be the only non-vehicle release.

Gargskull wrote:So from what I've gathered thus far the June releases are all IG and Eldar, with the majority being for Eldar. Pretty interesting turn of events there. If there's really nothing coming out for marines I'll be amazed.

For the plastic kits, it seems so yeah, haven't seen anything regarding other armies. Perhaps there will be some metal models though.

Chimera_Calvin wrote:The new Russ kit should have all the options not currently included in the Demolisher box.

The Leman Russ will indeed have the missing variants.

Chimera_Calvin wrote:Surely, though any Manticore kit would make more sense to be made as a Hydra? Both have a quad weapon mount on the back of a Chimera chassis. The Deathstrike (quite apart from being a very silly concept that would have been better in apocalypse only) will need a completely different mount and quite a lot of large components.

People in the know are hinting that the mounting of the Manticore won't be as in the codex art. I guess they'll be more like their old epic model, with all the missiles mounted side by side. That way a Deathstrike missile swap won't be as hard. I agree it's a pity though, would have rather had a Manticore/Hydra box with the codex art.

Gargskull wrote:Eldar:
Falcon/Fire Prism combo kit
Nightspinner, maybe part of the falcon but I doubt it, those are pretty big guns. Not seen any talk of variants or different builds for it but I wouldn't be surprised.
Heavy weapons platform kit

That seems to be the Eldar stuff, aye. Someone who has seen the Fire Prism describes it as:

'All i'll say is that the crystal and its attached assembly is much more in keeping with the new Eldar aesthetic which seems to have been pionered by the mk2 forgeworld super heavy variants. It's much, sleaker than the current prism..'

There's also some unconfirmed rumours that the Fire Prism crystal could be cast in transparant plastic.

Redemption wrote:There's also some unconfirmed rumours that the Fire Prism crystal could be cast in transparant plastic.

Urgh! Really? Because that green plastic Necron stuff works so well...

Redemption wrote:

People in the know are hinting that the mounting of the Manticore won't be as in the codex art. I guess they'll be more like their old epic model, with all the missiles mounted side by side.

This makes me a very sad panda

I wonder when we'll get confirmation on this? If there's no Hydra and only a poor-mans Manticore I'll not bother waiting and go to forgeworld instead.

A clear plastic prisim that you could paint the inside of could work very well. I have always loved painting the backs of clear parts as it ends up looking great.

Flashman wrote:

Redemption wrote:There's also some unconfirmed rumours that the Fire Prism crystal could be cast in transparant plastic.

Urgh! Really? Because that green plastic Necron stuff works so well...

I don't see it as a bad idea. If you don't like the stuff, just spray it over and paint it as usual. And for the ones that do like it, they can keep it, or even combine it with some nice LED and transparent paint effects. There's no drawback is there?

Redemption wrote:

Flashman wrote:

Redemption wrote:There's also some unconfirmed rumours that the Fire Prism crystal could be cast in transparant plastic.

Urgh! Really? Because that green plastic Necron stuff works so well...

I don't see it as a bad idea. If you don't like the stuff, just spray it over and paint it as usual. And for the ones that do like it, they can keep it, or even combine it with some nice LED and transparent paint effects. There's no drawback is there?

Or you could use special plastic glue made for transparent parts. I use it for my Valkyrie cockpits.

Cement for clear parts: http://www.testors.com/product/136633/3515C/_/Clear_Parts_Cement___1_Oz.

Redemption wrote:

Gargskull wrote:So from what I've gathered thus far the June releases are all IG and Eldar, with the majority being for Eldar. Pretty interesting turn of events there. If there's really nothing coming out for marines I'll be amazed.

For the plastic kits, it seems so yeah, haven't seen anything regarding other armies. Perhaps there will be some metal models though.

Chimera_Calvin wrote:The new Russ kit should have all the options not currently included in the Demolisher box.

The Leman Russ will indeed have the missing variants.

Chimera_Calvin wrote:Surely, though any Manticore kit would make more sense to be made as a Hydra? Both have a quad weapon mount on the back of a Chimera chassis. The Deathstrike (quite apart from being a very silly concept that would have been better in apocalypse only) will need a completely different mount and quite a lot of large components.

People in the know are hinting that the mounting of the Manticore won't be as in the codex art. I guess they'll be more like their old epic model, with all the missiles mounted side by side. That way a Deathstrike missile swap won't be as hard. I agree it's a pity though, would have rather had a Manticore/Hydra box with the codex art.

http://www.ifelix.net/gamingblog/wp-content/032_29.jpg

Gargskull wrote:Eldar:
Falcon/Fire Prism combo kit
Nightspinner, maybe part of the falcon but I doubt it, those are pretty big guns. Not seen any talk of variants or different builds for it but I wouldn't be surprised.
Heavy weapons platform kit

That seems to be the Eldar stuff, aye. Someone who has seen the Fire Prism describes it as:

'All i'll say is that the crystal and its attached assembly is much more in keeping with the new Eldar aesthetic which seems to have been pionered by the mk2 forgeworld super heavy variants. It's much, sleaker than the current prism..'

There's also some unconfirmed rumours that the Fire Prism crystal could be cast in transparant plastic.

Nice and comprehensive.

Eldar stuff sounds great, bodes well for their future. Always liked the look of their stuff.

SO disappointed that there's STILL no word on a Griffon/Colossus. Until that set come sout, I'm not budging on my IG army.

Scottywan82 wrote:SO disappointed that there's STILL no word on a Griffon/Colossus. Until that set come sout, I'm not budging on my IG army.

I'm with you on this one...

Solidarity brother!

Another interesting tidbit for the Eldar players:

A good source says the Eldar releases won't stop in June either, but mentions an 8 month schedule.

There's also some rumours about a plastic Eldar Super-Heavy appearing near the end of the year. But then again, when isn't there talk about plastic Super-Heavies appearing?

Edit: A more reliable source also backs up the Eldar Super-Heavy rumour, saying it won't see the light just yet, but will be worth the wait. Guess we'll have to wait and see!

Alpharius wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:SO disappointed that there's STILL no word on a Griffon/Colossus. Until that set come sout, I'm not budging on my IG army.

I'm with you on this one...

Solidarity brother!

It'd be SO much work counting all that money they'd make.

Scottywan82 wrote:

Alpharius wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:SO disappointed that there's STILL no word on a Griffon/Colossus. Until that set come sout, I'm not budging on my IG army.

I'm with you on this one...

Solidarity brother!

It'd be SO much work counting all that money they'd make.

Me and a friend would both get a battery of Griffons the moment they hit the streets.

I too have heard fairly credible sources confirm both the fire prism and the night spinner for the Eldar. Thay also have strongly hinted at an Eldar super heavy sometime in the near future.

Personaly if they do make a deathstrike sprue I can see it being direct only in the same way as the Ork Deff Rolla.

A manticore/hydra hybrid kit seems likely as after the underwhelming response to the re-cut bassie and chimera, just releasing a re-hashed russ would not be enough to draw cash from peoples wallets.

I am also sceptical of any more Ork releases any time soon, mainly due to all the love they have had recently and the lions share of the new battle missions releases going their way. Also with them being the focus of attention for the next IA book, I think it more likely to see FW releases.

I am hoping to go to the FW open day, so this should be a good opportunity to have a poke around and see whats likely to come out in the next few weeks.

Releasing a Ravager now seems very odd. I doubt it would be just a sprue to replace the current metal parts, when they've effectively confirmed that a new Raider model is in the works. Perhaps they will release an all-new Ravager to test reactions (and of course sales) to the new design?

I've heard that there will not be any new Warbuggy as part of the Spearhead releases.

squilverine wrote:
A manticore/hydra hybrid kit seems likely as after the underwhelming response to the re-cut bassie and chimera...

I wouldn't worry too much about that. This is a must have kit for the guard, so even if the new stuff wasn't that exciting people still have to buy it. I'm homing they put the extra time into the hydra/manticore kt because I'd love to field them.

Redemption wrote:Another interesting tidbit for the Eldar players:

A good source says the Eldar releases won't stop in June either, but mentions an 8 month schedule.

There's also some rumours about a plastic Eldar Super-Heavy appearing near the end of the year. But then again, when isn't there talk about plastic Super-Heavies appearing?

Edit: A more reliable source also backs up the Eldar Super-Heavy rumour, saying it won't see the light just yet, but will be worth the wait. Guess we'll have to wait and see!

8 months of Eldar releases or 8 months until the next Eldar release?

I'm pretty sold on the superheavy rumour, it's so consistent I can't see it not being true. How could you hide something that big!

Tailgunner wrote:Releasing a Ravager now seems very odd. I doubt it would be just a sprue to replace the current metal parts, when they've effectively confirmed that a new Raider model is in the works. Perhaps they will release an all-new Ravager to test reactions (and of course sales) to the new design?

I've heard that there will not be any new Warbuggy as part of the Spearhead releases.

Don't count on any Dark Eldar releases with Spearhead. If the new Ravager even exists, it will most likely come with the Dark Eldar update.

Moopy wrote:

squilverine wrote:
A manticore/hydra hybrid kit seems likely as after the underwhelming response to the re-cut bassie and chimera...

I wouldn't worry too much about that. This is a must have kit for the guard, so even if the new stuff wasn't that exciting people still have to buy it. I'm homing they put the extra time into the hydra/manticore kt because I'd love to field them.

Except there doesn't seem to be a Manticore/Hydra kit, but a Manticore/Deathstrike kit.

Gargskull wrote:8 months of Eldar releases or 8 months until the next Eldar release?

That's the question. Could easily be one release in June, and another release by the end of the year (maybe even 'just' the mentioned Super-Heavy).

Redemption wrote:There's also some rumours about a plastic Eldar Super-Heavy appearing near the end of the year.

If GW makes a plastic Eldar Cobra / Scorpion Type II, I'd buy them.

Manticore/Deathstrike seems likely.

FW already has the Hydra upgrade.

How much more vehicle love can they give at the moment? Eldar need a new prism and should do with a super heavy but who else is really in need without having a new codex release? (Necrons and DE obviously).

With all these add ons for massed battles, tank battles etc I cant help thinking back to the days of epic, now long gone with GW's drive for cash.

Mr. Burning wrote:Manticore/Deathstrike seems likely.

FW already has the Hydra upgrade.

How much more vehicle love can they give at the moment? Eldar need a new prism and should do with a super heavy but who else is really in need without having a new codex release? (Necrons and DE obviously).

With all these add ons for massed battles, tank battles etc I cant help thinking back to the days of epic, now long gone with GW's drive for cash.

Forgeworld also has the Manticore.

Mr. Burning wrote:Manticore/Deathstrike seems likely.

FW already has the Hydra upgrade.

How much more vehicle love can they give at the moment? Eldar need a new prism and should do with a super heavy but who else is really in need without having a new codex release? (Necrons and DE obviously).

With all these add ons for massed battles, tank battles etc I cant help thinking back to the days of epic, now long gone with GW's drive for cash.

Like I said way back when we heard about battle missions:

A Manticore/Hydra kit would work far far easier for GW than a Manticore/Deathstrike. The main turret body for the Hydra and Manticore models from FW are the exact same.

All you'd need to do is include the missile racks and quad autocannons, and kaboom. You're all set. Hell, it would even be relatively easy to magnetize.

Redemption wrote:Edit: A more reliable source also backs up the Eldar Super-Heavy rumour, saying it won't see the light just yet, but will be worth the wait. Guess we'll have to wait and see!

hmm... and Battlefoam just made a new foam tray for an eldar superheavy.. Does Romeo know something we don't?

strange things are afoot at the Circle-K!

Kanluwen wrote:

Mr. Burning wrote:Manticore/Deathstrike seems likely.

FW already has the Hydra upgrade.

How much more vehicle love can they give at the moment? Eldar need a new prism and should do with a super heavy but who else is really in need without having a new codex release? (Necrons and DE obviously).

With all these add ons for massed battles, tank battles etc I cant help thinking back to the days of epic, now long gone with GW's drive for cash.

Like I said way back when we heard about battle missions:

A Manticore/Hydra kit would work far far easier for GW than a Manticore/Deathstrike. The main turret body for the Hydra and Manticore models from FW are the exact same.

All you'd need to do is include the missile racks and quad autocannons, and kaboom. You're all set. Hell, it would even be relatively easy to magnetize.

And, as someone already answered, the manticore kit being built isn't going to look like the illustration. It will not look like the hydra.

Then it's not a Manticore?

It would be incredibly stupid of them not to just scan the kit over.

Kanluwen wrote:Then it's not a Manticore?

It would be incredibly stupid of them not to just scan the kit over.

Why? It's not like there's a shortcut to building a set if it's already in resin versus building it from scratch.

Scottywan82 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Then it's not a Manticore?

It would be incredibly stupid of them not to just scan the kit over.

Why? It's not like there's a shortcut to building a set if it's already in resin versus building it from scratch.

Yeah, there is. It's called a 3d AutoCAD scanner. GW uses them all the time.

It's how they did the Valkyrie.

Kanluwen wrote:I remember what you're talking about now. It was about the size of the old Warhammer Fantasy: Skirmish booklet. Cost $19.99 MSRP and was a really shoddily made thing bound like an old Discovery magazine.

By $19.99 you actually mean 3.95 unless you were ripped off epically. I got it, it was cheap and fun.

"It seems that a BFG booklet has been released called Battlefleet Gothic Invasion for for $3.95US. It is 32 pages and in a similar format and layout to the Warhammer Skirmish booklet. The table of contents are: 1 Introduction, 2 BFG Scenarios, 3 Asteroids and Planets, 5 Speed Painting of Fleets, 7 Ship Conversions, 8 Space Station Scenario, 10 Ship Showcase, 12 Boarding Actions, 18 Ion Cannon Scenario, 20 Catalog, 32 Assembling the Fleet. "

Somnicide wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I remember what you're talking about now. It was about the size of the old Warhammer Fantasy: Skirmish booklet. Cost $19.99 MSRP and was a really shoddily made thing bound like an old Discovery magazine.

By $19.99 you actually mean 3.95 unless you were ripped off epically. I got it, it was cheap and fun.

"It seems that a BFG booklet has been released called Battlefleet Gothic Invasion for for $3.95US. It is 32 pages and in a similar format and layout to the Warhammer Skirmish booklet. The table of contents are: 1 Introduction, 2 BFG Scenarios, 3 Asteroids and Planets, 5 Speed Painting of Fleets, 7 Ship Conversions, 8 Space Station Scenario, 10 Ship Showcase, 12 Boarding Actions, 18 Ion Cannon Scenario, 20 Catalog, 32 Assembling the Fleet. "

Yeah. I only have the receipt still, and noticed that it was listed as "Gothic Invasion Starter" @ $19.99. The FLGS I used to go to loved doing things like that where they'd put together small packages themselves to sell.

Maybe they packaged some other stuff with it then (I hope)

Well, like I said...they liked making their own starter sets. We had Skirmish package deals that they made a killing on, etc.

So is this Nightspinner an Apocalypse release? I know we think it's only a Falcon add on and not a super-heavy but last time I checked there was no Nightspinner in the Codex. Model releases outside of the Codex have usually been Apocalypse, right?

Flashman wrote:So is this Nightspinner an Apocalypse release? I know we think it's only a Falcon add on and not a super-heavy but last time I checked there was no Nightspinner in the Codex. Model releases outside of the Codex have usually been Apocalypse, right?

The rules will be in a WD.

Platuan4th wrote:

Flashman wrote:So is this Nightspinner an Apocalypse release? I know we think it's only a Falcon add on and not a super-heavy but last time I checked there was no Nightspinner in the Codex. Model releases outside of the Codex have usually been Apocalypse, right?

The rules will be in a WD.

I'm wondering what kind of rules we can expect from the Night Spinner. It seems like it will be pretty awesome.

Sasori wrote:I'm wondering what kind of rules we can expect from the Night Spinner.

Presumably, it will be a multi-modal Whirlwind / Griffon equivalent with a S6 AP- monofilament attack, using the 5" Blast, but with some Eldar trick against Infantry to replace Ordnance.

I'd assume Rending, but it's such a lazy solution.

Tbh I can't see a Night Spinner selling particularly well, based on existing rules I have seen for it it is basically an Eldar equivalent of a Whirlwind (just faster and possibly transport capability), and how often does anyone see Whirlwinds used? Anything more than Whirlwind/Griffon type stats and its going to be encroaching on the Fire Prisms heavy infantry killing power.

Eldar don't really need to be able to squash light infantry at range, they focus on killing the heavy stuff first while using mobility to initially avoid and then surround the lighter stuff.

Particularly the timing of the Night Spinner release seems strange to me, anyone who expects a tank with exclusively anti infantry weapons to sell well when released with a supplement which centers around taking as many tanks as possible needs their head checked (also putting aside the rules issues with the Night Spinner not being in the Codex).

But what if the Spinner left a 5 inch marker on the table that infantry moving through it took wounds? A huge bundle of razor sharp monofilimant wire.

Oh, no doubt the Night Spinner is a problem for all the reasons you listed. For it to be attractive, it needs to be more akin to the effectiveness of a Colossus (S6 AP3 Large Ordnance No-Cover).

The Warp Spider nerf to Eldar monofilament and fixed BS3 makes this very difficult.

About the only thing I can see is making it a dedicated anti-horde force multiplier: have it Squadronable and armed with 2 Spinners each, so the unit can lay down multiple large templates when moving slowly. Dropping a Barrage of a half-dozen large S6 AP- Rending templates would go a long way toward making the model playable against hordes.

"Uber cheese" to be sure, but what new toy or trick isn't called "cheese" these days?

Price could also be the defining issue, if its one shot but only costs as little as a whirlwind it could still see a lot of use.

Jack

I'm still trying to fathom the whole 'rules in White Dwarf' thing.

I know its so second edition-y...

Jack

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat420002a&rootCatGameStyle=


.. don't worry, it is blank for now !

I'm assuming we might get some rules donwloads kind of thing here maybe ? Say for a new or revised Eldar tank that they might release ?

I imagine a good number of people will buy the Nightspinner because it's a cool looking model and they want to see it on the table.

Some people will buy the Nightspinner, if it includes the plastic Fire Prism turret as well, so they get 2 new models

Flashman wrote:So is this Nightspinner an Apocalypse release??

No, it is a Spearhead release

H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm still trying to fathom the whole 'rules in White Dwarf' thing.

Indeed. I'm thrilled if this is a sign of things to come, because it would mark a huge step in the right direction for GW. Just think: no more waiting 5-10 years between Codexes for updated rules and new units for each army. This could even herald the return of regular rules in White Dwarf a' la Chapter Approved, which could bring back things like variant army lists.
Blimey, between this and the rumoured upcoming release schedule (Dark Eldar, Inquisition and Necrons at last! Really?!) GW's rules and release schedule policies seem to be radically improving all of a sudden.

I get that the rules are going to be in WD. I was wondering whether it was going to be for Apocalypse games only as has been the case in recent years when rules have appeared in WD.

A WD "addition" to the Codex would be very unusual, but not unwelcome, provided it can be used in any game situation (I'm thinking tournaments here).

I guess that depends on the Tournament. Rules printed by GW in White Dwarf should be treated as offical as any in a Codex in my opinion, but each Tournament seems to have it's own predilictions.

And I'm wondering if this might be something of an experiment to fuse the old ways with the new. Complete release spread over White Dwarf and the Website, see how it goes down. Me, I love the idea of it for the same reasons as pretty much everyone here, so with any luck this will be the start of a trend, however regular or irregular it becomes.

Though I'm sure some will whinge about it.

According to warhammer world tourny rules; it does say stuff from WD is legal. Be sure to bring your copy though.

I'd imagine such things would make the Online WD Archive fairly quickly, especially given the predicted popularity of that issue!

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:I guess that depends on the Tournament. Rules printed by GW in White Dwarf should be treated as offical as any in a Codex in my opinion, but each Tournament seems to have it's own predilictions.

And I'm wondering if this might be something of an experiment to fuse the old ways with the new. Complete release spread over White Dwarf and the Website, see how it goes down. Me, I love the idea of it for the same reasons as pretty much everyone here, so with any luck this will be the start of a trend, however regular or irregular it becomes.

Though I'm sure some will whinge about it.

While I would like rules update as a sort of 'Codex Patches', I can see why it could be difficult to pull it off.

Right now you just need a codex (and the base rulebook) and you're set for that army. With these rule updates, you'd need the codex and x amount of random WD articles to get the most recent version of your army.

That's pretty daunting for new players, especially if they're not internet-savvy or don't even have internet.

Yes, making a WD useful for veterans is unusual and unexpected, yet the WD with Spearhead and Elven tank rules is confirmed by newsletter and WD itself.
The Nightspinner is certainly usable in Spearhead and Apocalypse games. Don't know if it will be allowed to normal games, my guess is yes. Even when it will be difficult to make Nightspinner rules that make the tank worthy in comparison to the other options in the heavy slot.

Kroothawk wrote:Yes, making a WD useful for veterans is unusual and unexpected, yet the WD with Spearhead and Elven tank rules is confirmed by newsletter and WD itself.
The Nightspinner is certainly usable in Spearhead and Apocalypse games. Don't know if it will be allowed to normal games, my guess is yes. Even when it will be difficult to make Nightspinner rules that make the tank worthy in comparison to the other options in the heavy slot.

Good points - but I'm certainly glad that they are making the attempt in WD.

HOPEFULLY this issue sells like mad, and the powers that be realize what should happen moving forward...

Kroothawk wrote:To clear up what was said in the Warseer thread.

First, as quoted above, it is about the Spearhead releases in June, accompanied by rules and stuff in WD #366 (and supported by the website). The GW text confirms several new IG tanks and several new Eldar plastic kits, including a new tank. So they are not Apocalypse releases.

People familiar with Eldar and Imperial background concluded the following
1.) "Hammer of the Corpse God" = IG vs. "bright soul sparks of an ancient race" = Eldar
2.) Manticore, maybe including variants like Deathstrike ("Missile after missile")
3.) Leman Russ, much expected ("Tanks in the shape of wolves")
4.) Full plastic Fire Prism tank ("shining crystal shards")
5.) Night Spinner, new tank, maybe combined with Fire Prism tank kit ("black morass, slicing humans to pieces")
6.) Eldar heavy weapon platform with a.o. a D-cannon ("A hole opens and the tank folds down")
7.) Deathstrike Missile, see Manticore entry ("missile larger than any")
The Eldar superheavy talk in that thread was just a misinterpretation of "2 Eldar tanks a tad bigger than a Predator" (= Falcon hull). Some people still hope for plastic Wraith Guard and Jetbike releases, no evidence yet on their release. Anyway, Daemon Prince Adramalech adds:

Anybody reading line 6 as a possible Cobra superheavy instead of a weapon platform? They have a big D-Cannon, didn't really see that discussed in this thread.

The original text is:

To the south a group of bright soul sparks fire a weapon that hits one of the wulfen tanks with a screech born not of this realm

So a group of Eldar fire a weapon: Sounds more like a heavy weapon platform.
But I agree that there are some rumours of an Eldar Superheavy in plastic going round, maybe within that 8 month window.
I am still not sold on that rumour, too close to wishlisting to be a well founded rumour ATM. But we will see.

I think an Eldar Superheavy would fit better as part of another Apoc expansion or Apoc 2, but if we're getting one this year, I'm all for it. Even if my wallet isn't.

JohnHwangDD wrote: I'm all for it. Even if my wallet isn't.

I hear that.

It's like I have this sick addiction for plastic superheavies...



Who am I kidding, it's just for Superheavies in general...

Jackmojo wrote:I know its so second edition-y...

Jack

We should all be so lucky!

I haven't been this excited for an issue of WD to arrive since...

..2nd edition!

OK, OK, actually, since they still had Index Astartes in it, but that isn't as funny/clever...

I dont see why theyd bother with support platforms.. Theyre one of the absolute worst things in the codex due to the change to artillery in 5th.. and they were pretty damn awful before too

Makes me wonder who decides to make new models (Probably the same person who decided a basilisk with no additional weapon options was a good boxset to release)

I imagine they'll sell maybe 3 support weapons

I used to get excited about Chapter Approved aswell as Index Astartes. That chucked out some awesome rules. Kroot Mercenaries, Feral Orks, Deathwatch Killteams. Hopefully this release will be as awesome as before. Would really make my day, week, month . . . whatever.

Oshova

I wonder if this means that a new eldar codex is on the the horizon. I hope so but as is said so often "hope is the first step on the road to disappointment".

I'm also glad that the deathstike is getting a model; though. Not so glad about the supplement that is a complete waste of everyone's time.

The Unending wrote:Not so glad about the supplement that is a complete waste of everyone's time.

Just a thought, but wouldn't it be an idea to see what the supplement actually contains before decrying it as a waste of time?

Dysartes wrote:Just a thought, but wouldn't it be an idea to see what the supplement actually contains before decrying it as a waste of time?

Don't be absurd. I've been decrying this supplement since before I even knew it existed.

I started decrying 7th Ed 40K last week - and we're not even at 6th yet!

Dysartes wrote:

Just a thought, but wouldn't it be an idea to see what the supplement actually contains before decrying it as a waste of time?

But its already a mech based game from what I've seen, so I'll decry it as a waste on that. Its a matter of principal we've already got enough tanks, I want more focus on small Infantry units.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Don't be absurd. I've been decrying this supplement since before I even knew it existed.

I started decrying 7th Ed 40K last week - and we're not even at 6th yet!

Only 7th? Surely you're on to 8th and getting ready for 9th.

BrotherStynier wrote:Only 7th? Surely you're on to 8th and getting ready for 9th.

Oh please, by the time we hit 9th the rules will consist of lining up your models and then throwing them at one another. First player to draw blood wins.

The YMDC forums will be on fire.

We can only hope that by then you've completely written your on rules set then cant we?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:Only 7th? Surely you're on to 8th and getting ready for 9th.

Oh please, by the time we hit 9th the rules will consist of lining up your models and then throwing them at one another. First player to draw blood wins.

The YMDC forums will be on fire.

Nerf metal Hive Tyrants! They have too many sharp pointy thingies!

Pfft. 9th edition my ass.

I'm already QQ'ing about the new Squat codex.

Mole mortars that can only deepstrike onto enemy models, causing d12 S10 AP1 Apocalypse Barrage hits.

Redemption wrote:Nerf metal Hive Tyrants! They have too many sharp pointy thingies!

Metal Hive Tyrants? Mother fether I've got me a lead 1st Ed Carnifex. That thing is like a pair of poisonous brass knuckles. It can KILL people.

A lead Carnifex? Damn, count me out of fighting you in 9th edition.

I'd like the metal Tyrants nerfed for the fact they are a pain to assemble, or rather, too much of a pain to finish assembling.

Ive got some Imperial Guard Jetbikes that I will use in place of lawn darts!

Bring it!!!

Two Words: Grey Knights

Metal Chaos Termies, watch out or you will loose an eye.

Back on topic, do you think Spearhead/Vehicle battles should involve using a larger board? 6' by 4' is a bit small for a load of tanks, skimmers and the like. It begins to look like the M25 at rush hour.

Flashman wrote:Back on topic, do you think Spearhead/Vehicle battles should involve using a larger board? 6' by 4' is a bit small for a load of tanks, skimmers and the like. It begins to look like the M25 at rush hour.

Vehicle battles do need larger boards.

Still, GW had some weird set ups for superheavys at gamesdays, maybe they will advertise a double package of realm of battle boards
alongside the spearhead?

Excited , Excited , Excited

But on a serious note should i really be i love new realeases , and i think that some of the new ones are really interesting , however is this just going to turn out like apocalypse.... which it seems to me everyone sees (if that is a word) as a 'Kids' game.

~UnDeAd~

I really really hope the IG kit is a Manticore/Hydra set so I can avoid resorting to Forgeworld's resin models.

The Nightspinner could be useful if it has two large blast templates. It does function as a Falcon-capacity (6) transport in the current rules, which could also come in handy. But even with that little bump, to have more utility than the very-flexible Prism it would have to be really, really good at killing hordes.

Of course, if it's the other part of a Prism kit I doubt GW will lose much sales if it sucks. For those of us who already have Prisms it's a win-win situation, as we could just buy the Nightspinner bitz for whenever one plays Apoc versus Orks or Nids...

What would be way, way more useful than a Nightspinner is a Firestorm kit (both for Apoc and for fighting other mech armies). If the rumor is two Eldar tanks, I wonder if the Firestorm is on the shoppinglist too? Pure conjecture, but it would make sense.

I think a 2-in-1 Fire Prism / Nightspinner is in the works, as a non-hybrid Fire Prism is an obvious fix, and Nightspinner is an easy weapon bitz swap.

The Eldar Firestorm is an ugly kit, but if they can reimagine it to be armed with 2 twin-linked, extra-range "Firestorm" Scatter Lasers, then it'd be a nice pair of bitz to make a 3-in-1 kit.

Tho if I had my druthers, I'd rather see a Falcon variant armed with a G36" Large Blast D-Cannon (basically a "baby" Cobra). *That* would be interesting!

I wouldn't mind seeing how the rules will do in regards to artillery units in this expansion.
I'm sure bigger boards will be key in general to having a high number of tanks on the board, however, but I'm curious to see how artillery will fare since in our current rules-set, artillery is still vulnerable to outflankers and all.

I looked up the new Chimera on GW's site, and apart from binning the wheels, it looks much like the recent Hellhound chassis. By that, I mean it has a chequer plate deck behind the cab, so if you leave off the Chimera roof over the rear compartment it looks like a converter's dream. Possibilities could include Salamanders, Griffons or Trojans for a start?

Well anyone who wasn't expecting it to be like the new Hellhound mustn't have learned a lot about GW. Or infact, just general military stuff. They have the same chassis, so making them from the same base model is sensible, cost effective, and gives a great uniform look across an army/series of models.

I'm all for the binning of the wheels, it makes the model a billion times better and easier to make. And yeah, I was looking at the ease at which you can get good conversions from it. =D

Oshova