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Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 00:48:48


Post by: Kroothawk


Sorry, several Warseer veterans found it funny to post made up false rumours in March and call it April fools. Shame on them.
So all the new stuff in this summary is no rumour at all. The thread can now be closed



Seems like the rumours on the upcoming Dark Eldar release get a bit more concrete. I will take the new Warseer thread as a basis: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=251993 and try to keep this first post updated with information from that thread and this one. As this is again much work, I will leave out explicit credits to the posters of each information in these threads (mostly found in first post of Warseer thread) but like to express my sincere thanks to all of them.

Of course keep in mind that these are just rumours, some of them with (to me) unknown sources. Still this summary should get closer to the mark given time.



General
The Codex is ready, translated but not at the printers yet (24th March). Not known if it will get the Oct.2010 or January 2011 slot for its release (pending marketing decision after Easter). Others put the release later, most within 12 months.
Background may be (re)written but keeps the general theme.
One podcast is certain that DE are the next Codex and due this year. Others are certain that Grey Knights will be next and due this year.
Rumours of an official announcement pretty soon.


Background
As Craftworld Eldar technology is based on Wraithbone, all DE technology is based on pain as a power source. All major vehicles are powered by flayed slaves, and jetbikes, skyboards etc are said to be charged up before battle. All their ranged weapons have blades as a means of recharging them, even if it means cutting yourself.
This theme follows on into other equipment too, like the new power field for ICs that is a 4+Inv save that gets +1 to the roll for each wound the character has lost. It specifically tells you to roll each save separately so you can apply the appropriate bonus.

The DE conquer and enslave an Imperial world, abandoning it only after the arrival of the Imperial Pacificus fleet.

A populated exodite world 'turns to darkness' after being infiltrated by a DE Slaanesh cult, and after slaughtering wholesale those who oppose them, escape into the webway.


Units
Characters can get "Catcher of Souls", a power weapon (?) with a vampiric effect: wearer gets one life for each unsaved hit.
Another source says no power weapons in the Codex (Except MC Talos) but lots of rending (and source="Thud" from Warseer is pretty sure about it).
Lots of new special characters and a new HQ choice.
Several Psi powers (no general psi hate any more as it seems, but perils of the warp harder than for other races): "Dark Kiss" (?, target in 12" makes ld test with 2 highest of 3d6, failure means target removed no questions asked and no saves allowed), "pain something" (target unit gets FNP until their next round) plus 2 other less strong ones.

Special character "Asdrubael Vect"
Gets "terror field" (all enemy units retreat on 4+ no questions asked no special rules allowed)
Those 2 Incubi on the barge are "Black Guard" (they get 5 attacks while embarked, enemy can only hit barge not Incubi; every enemy killed in cc will fuel the barge for +1" !)

Special Character "Enuviel the Dethroned"
Slaanesh worshipper. Cabal Lord (Dracon/Archon) of the old Ways. Makes the whole army Slaanesh worshippers (sigh!).

Special Character "Shlit'Endapo Nih"
(name only heard, not seen written). A wych with many attacks.

Haemunculi
A Haemunculi upgrade allows the DE player to take control of a run down unit rather than destroying it.

Wyches
Different types of Wych weapons, not the current standardized ones. Rending in cc. Can no longer get ranged weapon upgrades (Blasters etc).
Combat Drug rolls for wych cult amended to:
1. +1 S, Rage
2. I 10, ignores cover penalties
3. Furious Charge
4. Feel No Pain
5. 12" assault, 3d6" fall back
6. Choose one of the above.

Incubi
Rending cc weapons and short ranged low ap guns. Squad leader has "super-rending" weapon (think Skulltaker). Squad leader can get "Exarch power" resembling upgrades.

Warp Beasts
Unit Upgrade for a Wych Squad on foot/Equipment upgrade for a Succubus. Can be taken by any number of Succubi.

Talos
The Talos will be a walker "of sorts", with special rules increasing its durability. It will have a variety of options, including a "weaponised psyker" (psyker upgrade). They are Heavy, but can also be Elites if you take a Haemunculus as your HQ.

Reavers
Reavers will be able to drag models away from units and drop them as a blast weapon.
Vehicle Upgrade "Shadow Field" (enemy must use Night Fight rules to target vehicle).

Dark Crow
Even more salt for this rumour entry: Fast attack choice (a Valkyrie equivalent?).
Weapons: 2 Dark Lances, Dark Shard Projector ( S5 AP4 Heavy 20, Pinning)
Special Rules: Deep Strike, Scout, Assault Vehicle, Dark Avarice? (don't know what that does)
Transport Capacity: May transport up to eight models.
Appearance described as "Jabba's Skiff" style transport.


Miniatures
Model range completely redone by Jes Goodwin. He got all the time he needed to get this done, therefore no estimated release date for several years. With that many new models, a release in waves sounds likely, with plastic warriors, wyches and Raiders/Ravagers likely candidates for a first wave (my conclusion, not exactly a rumour).

Warriors are like the one in the rulebook ( http://www.pbase.com/brimstone/image/97930904.jpg ), but spikier (10 per box for the usual price). Splinter rifle as seen in an early CAD pic but spikier as well.

Plastic Wyches are basically just a direct copy of the current ones but in plastic (others deny that because sculptor Fitzpatrick has left GW and the models are not popular), there will be a lot of 'fluff' pieces on the sprue (armour plates, trophies, that sort of thing) to make them more customisable. Also rumoured to come with a lot of weapon options, supposedly each weapon option is available for the entire squad. Again 10 per box.

New Incubi models look like a fusion of several CWE Aspect Warriors. Poses are very dynamic like the 3rd edition Scorpions. Tormentor Helms now have masks similar to Jain Zarr, moulded to look like they are twisted in tortured agony and the ranged weapon is mounted on the left temple. Much heavier armoured like Dark Reapers, but covered with spikes and blades. Punishers are no longer 2 handed polearms, but are a pair of spiked cudgels with Splinter Pistols in the hilts. Drazhar won't be getting a new mini in the first wave, and will be discontinued until a new model can be made that fits the new asthetic.

Raider possibly as in the rulebook ( http://www.pbase.com/brimstone/image/97930903/large.jpg ) with sails.

Talos is getting a plastic model with loads of options.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 01:14:09


Post by: Gannon


Good stuff here. I can't wait for their release.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 03:03:30


Post by: Scottywan82


I will be exuberant if this is true. Can't wait for some photographic confirmation.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 03:13:35


Post by: MajorTom11


April Fools?


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 03:29:54


Post by: Ostrakon


Still wish it were 'crons next, but I'm incredibly happy for DE players if this is true.

Hopefully they won't mess up the background too much, but I really feel as current it's trying a little hard to be dark and edgy, even by 40k standards


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 03:30:13


Post by: Sasori


Would be nice, It's only a matter of time now.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 03:33:22


Post by: Cheese Elemental


Kroothawk wrote:Warriors are like the one in the rulebook, but spikier (10 per box for the usual price). Splinter rifle as seen in an early CAD pic but spikier as well.

Spikier? Oh God no!


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 03:38:30


Post by: Noisy_Marine


No power weapons? What the crap?!


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 03:43:08


Post by: Grambo


Well,i guess i will keep my dark elar for a little while unless some one wants them,if they make the warriors armor 4+ Il keep em.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 03:43:47


Post by: Ostrakon


Noisy_Marine wrote:No power weapons? What the crap?!


Well presumably you'd expect special rending rules (a la skulltaker) on a lot of units, and low-AP shooting.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 04:13:03


Post by: Noisy_Marine


Yes, it's just that power weapons are a lot more reliable then rending. Just look at genestealers in the new Nid codex. I've yet to see them perform well in close combat even with a lot of attacks.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 04:18:02


Post by: Ostrakon


Noisy_Marine wrote:Yes, it's just that power weapons are a lot more reliable then rending. Just look at genestealers in the new Nid codex. I've yet to see them perform well in close combat even with a lot of attacks.


Uh, really? Are you running like 5-strong 'stealer broods?


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 04:27:54


Post by: Sasori


Noisy_Marine wrote:Yes, it's just that power weapons are a lot more reliable then rending. Just look at genestealers in the new Nid codex. I've yet to see them perform well in close combat even with a lot of attacks.



Huh??

What Numbers are you running them in? are you using Toxin Sacs?


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 04:51:22


Post by: Noisy_Marine


I'm not running them, Nid players at my store are. Against me, I've seen 20 genestealers bounce off a squad of terminators.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 05:01:46


Post by: Uriels_Flame


Kroothawk wrote:

Special Character "Shlit'Endapo Nih"
A wych with many attacks.


Ok - WTH is this name? Anyone want to take a phonetic stab at it?

Kroothawk wrote:

Haemunculi
A Haemunculi upgrade allows the DE player to take control of a run down unit rather than destroying it.


This sounds pretty cool if it's a temp ability. Can't imagine how many people would take Haemunculi (and GW selling point) if you can control another person troops choice and grab objectives

The unknown about the warriors makes me think the codex isn't quite as ready as we thought, though in my post earlier it stated something about new sails for the Raiders, so I guess we'll find out in Sept/Oct.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 05:07:50


Post by: Kanluwen


Uriels_Flame wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:

Special Character "Shlit'Endapo Nih"
A wych with many attacks.


Ok - WTH is this name? Anyone want to take a phonetic stab at it?

Nope, because it's made up by bashing fingers on keyboard. Even Goto couldn't make up a name that bad.

I can't really see them NOT taking the time to completely revamp the background. Dark Eldar could be so much more than Eldar with a S&M kink and 80's Whitesnake hairdos.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 05:09:24


Post by: KingCracker


Well this is the "closest" Ive seen it get in years. Im sure its the DE wannabe in me, but Im kind of excited!


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 06:05:09


Post by: Buckybits


Well, the last bit of that name comes out like "and a pony."

I'm thinking early April Fools, but we did have Sly Marbo for the Guard and the Buffy knockoff for Necromunda...

-John


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 06:09:54


Post by: Ostrakon


Noisy_Marine wrote:I'm not running them, Nid players at my store are. Against me, I've seen 20 genestealers bounce off a squad of terminators.


You do realize that 30 rending attacks that hit on a 3+ not tearing through termies is a statistical anomaly, right? Not to mention the fact that said tyranid player should be investing in Toxin sacs, which should be netting him about 4 termie kills on average.

Unless they're equipped with SS. Then there's really nothing that tears through them short of an warscythe, C'Tan, or phase blade.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 06:11:20


Post by: Kanluwen


Jbuckmaster wrote:Well, the last bit of that name comes out like "and a pony."

I'm thinking early April Fools, but we did have Sly Marbo for the Guard and the Buffy knockoff for Necromunda...

-John

Yeah, but Sly Marbo has been a part of Catachan lore for how long?

Plus: He's now "Guardsman" Marbo. The Sly part is gone, which of course means he's no longer an inside joke nod.
He's no super serious lore materials!


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 06:11:48


Post by: Ostrakon


Uriels_Flame wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:

Special Character "Shlit'Endapo Nih"
A wych with many attacks.


Ok - WTH is this name? Anyone want to take a phonetic stab at it?


SCHLITT end A pu nee (stress the capitalized syllables


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 06:43:33


Post by: Carlovonsexron


Shetland pony? Makes me think this is an April fools :/


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 06:49:52


Post by: SlaveToDorkness


gak inapony.

It's no worse than Cruella Deville from the last book.



Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 07:15:46


Post by: Defiler


Shetland Pony?


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 07:23:26


Post by: Kurgash


Nurgleboy77 wrote:Shitinapony.

It's no worse than Cruella Deville from the last book.



Sod it, let's just call her pet land discounts for now.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 08:15:28


Post by: Dysartes


Jbuckmaster wrote:I'm thinking early April Fools, but we did have Sly Marbo for the Guard and the Buffy knockoff for Necromunda...


I suspect you mean Zara the Slayer, who is a Blood Bowl Star Player.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 09:13:39


Post by: Praxiss


If this is true then i would definiately consider starting a DE army.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 09:19:12


Post by: Kroothawk


The SC name was only heard, not seen written, so there are hopes. But GW has a way of chosing names that prove unpopular.
Harry said: "I got the name of another one. Res'quewdon ki. Apparently he has big pointy ears. " But I won't add that to the summary

BTW added rules rumours for wyches and Incubi.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 12:14:03


Post by: Albatross


Dark Shard Projector ( S5 AP4 Heavy 20, Pinning)


Heavy 20?!!?

Is that a typo? I hope not - I'm definitely starting a DE army when this lot finally sees the light of day.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 12:16:13


Post by: LEEQAEX


hmm Will we ever be satisfied with all the armies. They will probably all be updated by 2012 but then apocolypse comes .Damn you Gw ><


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 12:24:19


Post by: Therion


Shlit'Endapo Nih

Shh, lighten up now.

Always nice to hear something about the Dark Eldar but these rumours are not enough to get me excited.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 12:52:29


Post by: Red9


Kroothawk wrote:
Dark Shard Projector ( S5 AP4 Heavy 20, Pinning)


My Punisher would like to have a word with you....


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 13:35:34


Post by: Gitkikka


I want to believe!

Kroothawk wrote:Special Character "Enuviel the Dethroned"
Slaanesh worshipper. Cabal Lord (Dracon/Archon) of the old Ways. Makes the whole army Slaanesh worshippers (sigh!).

I have no problems with this. I always viewed my DE army (the Cabal of the Blue Meanies) as Slannesh lovers.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 13:38:36


Post by: Alpharius


It does seem a bit out there...

Still, there are just rumors and/or wishlisty things at this point!


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 14:12:59


Post by: Kroothawk


New rumours added about psi powers (!) and fantastic special rules for Asdrubael Vect!
Even if not true, the latter sound fluffy and nice!


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 15:34:05


Post by: Rymafyr


Reading through the actual Warseer thread the, 'no power weapons' seems to be changed. Seems it was a playtesting option that did not work.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 15:45:35


Post by: Farmer


No power weapons ? that is BS...

these are supposed to be dark elder not tau.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 15:50:01


Post by: agnosto


And if these rumors are true, they'll be shootier than tau... It makes me wanna cry.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 16:10:05


Post by: Hordini


Well, I hope it's true and actually happening. And I hope the resculpts are actually good. If the new DE Codex and minis turn out nicely, I would actually be tempted to maybe buy a few 40k minis again.


As far as photographic evidence goes, I know Whitedragon has some photos of the new Dark Eldar greens, and they look pretty nice. Maybe he'll post them for us?







P.S. -


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 16:26:10


Post by: Erasoketa


I still haven't formed an opinion about this rumours being good or bad, but at least this time seem solid!


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 16:34:14


Post by: Railguns


A DE revamp that changes them to Slaanesh worshippers? Either they deliberately went and made them what everyone complained that they seemed like, or they simply don't care if the fluff makes sense. (which is supported by their track record).


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 16:40:32


Post by: Lint


Well, if they truly are revamping the fluff then it's very possible that chaos-eldar is the new direction. As has been stated numerous times, s&m pirate-y elves wasn't attractive to many players. Chaos Eldar would be a departure from the previous fluff, but could also garner much more attention.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 16:42:16


Post by: Kroothawk


Railguns wrote:A DE revamp that changes them to Slaanesh worshippers? Either they deliberately went and made them what everyone complained that they seemed like, or they simply don't care if the fluff makes sense. (which is supported by their track record).

Well, maybe C.S.Goto got a contract as a background writer To be fair, the rumour only states that a banned Lord leads a Slaanesh cult, not that the Dark Eldar as a whole worship Slaanesh. Still, it goes contrary to my perception of Eldar as well.

Anyway, here a test sculpt by Juan Diaz, shown 2 years ago at the GD Spain. Test sculpts usually are not released, but exceptions are imaginable:



Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 16:48:18


Post by: Kirasu


I hope the models have an "eldar" look to them so that I can use my eldar army as DE.. Maybe 75% of the DE book wont be obsolete due to 5th ed!

On the topic of "changing the DE fluff"..Seriously? DE have no fluff.. Any fluff the DE have is basically from your own imagination.. They have 1 page in their codex and 1 picture!


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 16:58:15


Post by: Erasoketa


Kroothawk wrote:Juan Díaz Haemonculi pic


They were shown two years ago, in a sample of Juan's work in GW. That minis were first shown in Spanish White Dwarf, when Juan Díaz was presented as a new sculptor... IN MARCH 2000!!

NERDRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!


Months ago I photographed the cover of the WD issue and the interview pages, so everyone can see that these are really really old news.

Cover:
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/4089/dsc01560m.jpg

Interview:
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/6497/dsc01561.jpg
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/1940/dsc01562d.jpg

Detail of the Hemonculi (and farseer also seen in the same Games Day).
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/5323/dsc01564v.jpg

The text in the yellow box says, in the lines 3 to 7:

"Seems that technology hasn't still reached Juan's skills: both beatifully sculpted Dark Eldar that you can see above this lines will not be sold because the metal used for the melting of the miniatures could not flow through the little ramifications generated by the very thin and fibred torso muscles and the arms in the mould. Tood bad, because they are really impressive models. Juan has perfectly catched the Dark Eldar spirit, the expression, the dressing, the mocking faces."


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 17:04:59


Post by: cuscus


Kroothawk wrote:Haemunculi
A Haemunculi upgrade allows the DE player to take control of a run down unit rather than destroying it.


Not sure about this one.

On the one hand I can see GW doing this as part of their "lighten up it's just a game" mindset, but on the other I can see this causing people to not want to play against the DE.

Does anyone else have a vision of somebody's Cheeto coated fingers pushing their models around "because my Codex says I can"?


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 17:15:12


Post by: Howard A Treesong


Rumours are not worth the paper they're not even written on. I'll believe it when I see it.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 17:20:05


Post by: Kurgash


Red9 wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:
Dark Shard Projector ( S5 AP4 Heavy 20, Pinning)


My Punisher would like to have a word with you....


You should also talk to the Nids in regards to that one Tyranofex gun that is heavy 20


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 17:33:41


Post by: Buckybits


Dysartes wrote:
Jbuckmaster wrote:I'm thinking early April Fools, but we did have Sly Marbo for the Guard and the Buffy knockoff for Necromunda...


I suspect you mean Zara the Slayer, who is a Blood Bowl Star Player.


Nope, I mean the Slayer from Necromunda (magazine add-on). I can't spell it, but it came out verbally like Buffy (Bhu fay?). I have the info at home, buried in a box somewhere.

-John


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 18:05:01


Post by: JohnHwangDD


Erasoketa wrote:"Seems that technology hasn't still reached Juan's skills: both beatifully sculpted Dark Eldar that you can see above this lines will not be sold because the metal used for the melting of the miniatures could not flow through the little ramifications generated by the very thin and fibred torso muscles and the arms in the mould.

Of course, why they couldn't be cast in resin by FW remains a mystery to this day...


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 18:07:28


Post by: Erasoketa


JohnHwangDD wrote:
Erasoketa wrote:"Seems that technology hasn't still reached Juan's skills: both beatifully sculpted Dark Eldar that you can see above this lines will not be sold because the metal used for the melting of the miniatures could not flow through the little ramifications generated by the very thin and fibred torso muscles and the arms in the mould.

Of course, why they couldn't be cast in resin by FW remains a mystery to this day...


Was FW making infantry minis for armies in 2000? I would say they started later to do that.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 18:09:34


Post by: JohnHwangDD


FW has had the Titan Techpriest, along with other Charater models for a long time. There's ample precedent for releasing each of those models as a named Character from FW.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 18:30:43


Post by: Rymafyr


cuscus wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:Haemunculi
A Haemunculi upgrade allows the DE player to take control of a run down unit rather than destroying it.


Not sure about this one.

On the one hand I can see GW doing this as part of their "lighten up it's just a game" mindset, but on the other I can see this causing people to not want to play against the DE.

Does anyone else have a vision of somebody's Cheeto coated fingers pushing their models around "because my Codex says I can"?


An interesting concept and one I would certainly use since I always take some Haemonoculi in my army. However, I would never presuppose that this rule would allow me to touch another players models. If it ends up being true, It'd be something where I'd say the owning player will move them how I like . Given all the 'tricks' DE originally had, have been either taken by other armies or made into USR's, I'm glad to see they are thinking of new things to make DE play different than existing armies. Still we'll all just have to see what actually happens.

Hypothetically speaking if the one IC makes a Kabal a Slaaneshi cult, wouldn't it be awesome if they could summon Slaaneshi deamons?


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 19:18:18


Post by: vitki


cuscus wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:Haemunculi
A Haemunculi upgrade allows the DE player to take control of a run down unit rather than destroying it.


Not sure about this one.

On the one hand I can see GW doing this as part of their "lighten up it's just a game" mindset, but on the other I can see this causing people to not want to play against the DE.

Does anyone else have a vision of somebody's Cheeto coated fingers pushing their models around "because my Codex says I can"?


GW Exec: How can we sell more models?
Peon: We can make Dark Eldar the be all - end all of codexes and give them a special rule to take control of units they break. But, here's the cunning part, they have to have their own painted models of the unit to use the rule. So everyone wants to play DE as a result and DE players have to buy at least a full squad of every unit in the game just in case.
GW Exec: perfect! I propose a price hike in celebration!


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 19:51:21


Post by: whalemusic360


I'd love to see a new DE, but I'm thinking this is all a cruel April fools joke. To much stuff is over the top, even compaired with some of the new 'dexes. This reminds me of the first BA "codex" we had.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 19:56:31


Post by: asugradinwa


ummm the "first BA codex" was not as powerful as the codex that is comming.

The biggest thing we haven't heard about regarding dark eldar are the points cost for dark lances. That will really tell the story on if they'll be able to field top tir armies.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 19:56:57


Post by: Flashman


Seems like everyone has to have a Heavy 20 Weapon these days.

Well, been waiting for 12 years, lets see if this goes anywhere...


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 20:07:58


Post by: Saldiven


As a DE player for almost a decade, I actually am un-thrilled about the majority of the info on the OP.

The complete lack of power weapons just straight blows. Sure, rending is fine, but even if you hit on a roll of 3, you're only going to get one rend for every nine attacks on average.

Also, I will trade the existing wyche drug chart for the one proposed above every day of the week. I'll spend the entire time before a game praying I don't roll a 1. Seriously, let's look at those options:

1. I get S4, but get led around by the nose as soon as I'm out of a transport.
2. Wyches already have better I than almost any opponent they'll go up against, and most everyone gives them plasma grenades anyway. It's just as useless as Always Strike First is on the current list.
3. Joy...I'm S4 on the charge and I7. Like the original I6 isn't better than 90% of opponents, anyway. Only marginally better than roll 1.
4. Yay, FNP...on toughness 3 models. Probably the best option of the lot, but still not incredible.
5. Finally, something not terrible.

Hah...I've been hoping for an update for a while now, but this is not the direction I wanted to go. I guess being the only army with no need for a Large Blast marker was good enough; now we'll have the only army in the game with no power weapons.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 20:16:58


Post by: agnosto


Saldiven wrote:now we'll have the only army in the game with no power weapons.


*cough* Tau *cough*


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 20:20:06


Post by: Kurgash


agnosto wrote:
Saldiven wrote:now we'll have the only army in the game with no power weapons.


*cough* Tau *cough*


you forgot O'Shova! His weird sword thing makes him like a MC in CC. So in a sense that is a power weapon!


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 20:21:56


Post by: asugradinwa


I think the "no power weapons" was an initial playtest option that is getting the boot. I'd be very suprised if things like incubi, succubus, and HQs don't have a power weapon option.

However, from something I've read a few places wyches will have rending and some other options to make them very assault oriented.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 20:29:15


Post by: Reecius


It's happening fellas, I can't elaborate on what I know, but I am a believer, 100%.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 20:36:23


Post by: Flashman


I'm a believer too, just like I believe England will one day win the World Cup.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 20:40:12


Post by: agnosto


Kurgash wrote:
agnosto wrote:
Saldiven wrote:now we'll have the only army in the game with no power weapons.


*cough* Tau *cough*


you forgot O'Shova! His weird sword thing makes him like a MC in CC. So in a sense that is a power weapon!


He's a special character.

As for large blast markers; we have 2, the submunition round from railheads and the airbursting fragmentation projector (which I take in nearly every list just because I like the sound of it).


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 20:45:13


Post by: Red9


Kurgash wrote:
Red9 wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:
Dark Shard Projector ( S5 AP4 Heavy 20, Pinning)


My Punisher would like to have a word with you....


You should also talk to the Nids in regards to that one Tyranofex gun that is heavy 20


There isn't any AP on that though. I think


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 20:56:04


Post by: Kurgash


Red9 wrote:
Kurgash wrote:
Red9 wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:
Dark Shard Projector ( S5 AP4 Heavy 20, Pinning)


My Punisher would like to have a word with you....


You should also talk to the Nids in regards to that one Tyranofex gun that is heavy 20


There isn't any AP on that though. I think


it's only range 12 but it's 4 AP5


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 21:57:16


Post by: JohnHwangDD


Saldiven wrote:Also, I will trade the existing wyche drug chart for the one proposed above every day of the week.

Hah...I've been hoping for an update for a while now, but this is not the direction I wanted to go.

The only thing that would make the new drug chart is if you rolled *after* deployment... like Possessed!

What, you expected GW to do what you wanted, rather than make arbitrary, pointless changes for the sake of change? Really? GW?


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/03/31 23:28:24


Post by: Grot 6


I have an army of these guys in the back room somewhere, we'll see if they are worth my time, or just something to shoot at again.

Though I would like a few more of those bikes that I missed the first time around. evil little buggers if you can zerg another unit with them. The best elf bombs I've ever seen at taking down large crawling tyranids. especially those witch elf looking guys.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/04/01 00:19:29


Post by: Skarboy


No power weapons wouldn't make sense and would defeat the point of having high Initiative. Their troops may not have power weapon upgrades, sure, but leaders/characters? I seriously doubt it.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/04/01 00:22:59


Post by: JohnHwangDD


Skarboy wrote:No power weapons wouldn't make sense and would defeat the point of having high Initiative.

Their troops may not have power weapon upgrades, sure, but leaders/characters? I seriously doubt it.

Maybe GW hates Dark Eldar?

Nahh...

Maybe Dark Eldar get on ordinary PWs, but instead only get fancy stuff like Agonizers, Lightning Claws, etc.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/04/01 01:35:59


Post by: Rymafyr


JohnHwangDD wrote:
Skarboy wrote:No power weapons wouldn't make sense and would defeat the point of having high Initiative.

Their troops may not have power weapon upgrades, sure, but leaders/characters? I seriously doubt it.

Maybe GW hates Dark Eldar?

Nahh...

Maybe Dark Eldar get on ordinary PWs, but instead only get fancy stuff like Agonizers, Lightning Claws, etc.


As you've well pointed out, that's the way the current codex is arranged. Semantics, always semantics


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/04/01 03:42:30


Post by: puma713


Also interesting that since we've been seeing how GW likes to pull things from foreign websites before their more mainstream sites (so it seems), the Dark Eldar Codex is unavailable in Spain. That's where Daemonhunters/Witch Hunters were first unavailable as well.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/04/01 04:01:30


Post by: number9dream


As Craftworld Eldar technology is based on Wraithbone, all DE technology is based on pain as a power source. All major vehicles are powered by flayed slaves, and jetbikes, skyboards etc are said to be charged up before battle. All their ranged weapons have blades as a means of recharging them, even if it means cutting yourself.

Give me a fething break, I am still excited about DE but they are sounding retardedly emo at the moment... all the news about "spikier" worries me too - contrary to GW belief, there is such a thing as TOO spiky.

Bah, as long as the Raider models look good I'll be extremely tempted... (I already like the old raiders)


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/04/01 04:06:55


Post by: TheTrueProtoman


DE got me interested to see what happens, also why so much hate for rending, you must really suck at rolling if you have this much hate for it.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/04/01 06:22:08


Post by: Defiler


Rending on traditionally low strength models makes sense, and is actually more powerful the higher their toughness scales.

S3 Model rending on 6's? = Equivalent of power weapon fighting toughness 5 or higher, except that instead of capping out what it can wound it stays static. Much like the current Agonizer.

S3 Model rending on 5's? Well, you're already for the most part optimized versus the rest of the game. You generate power weapon wounds versus GEQ's 16% of the time less, versus a STR3 PW (50%).

And anything past Rending on 4+ or better, is a astronomical boost in power versus a Normal power weapon. Equivalent to the current Agonizer? The key difference being, that unlike the Agonizer - you still cause wounds if your strength warrants it versus a lower toughness opponent, it's just that the more accurate your wound rolls are the more you get out of your weapon. I can see it.

It's just a convinient way to combine the poison mechanic and the power weapon mechanic. Poison also is a silly name for things such as a "Kinetically charged, neural gauntlet".

I can understand the change. If the rumors hold true, rending 6 (default) is fine for basic troops, 5 works for elites like incubi and whatever, and I'm sure 4+, 3+ and 2+ will work on the appropriate Special Characters or unique wargear.

Also, the proposed S2, Assault 3 rending splinter rifle (+1A in CC) also sounds like an all or nothing weapon, that doesn't have much anti tank capacity. Sounds like boosted poison mechanics to me...


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/04/01 06:29:38


Post by: Drk_Oblitr8r


Warriors are like the one in the rulebook ( http://www.pbase.com/brimstone/image/97930904.jpg ), but spikier (10 per box for the usual price)


This jumped out at me.

The current box has 18. So you get 8 less, but for the same price.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/04/01 06:52:58


Post by: Noisy_Marine


Whatever happened to 10 models for $20?


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/04/01 07:01:30


Post by: JohnHwangDD


I think it became 10 models for $35. Haven't you seen a SM Tactical box?


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/04/01 07:21:27


Post by: Noisy_Marine


Yes but ...

10 orks is $22
10 guardsmen is $22
I'm sure nids have something similar
So why more for marines, eldar and so on?

Oh and 10 bloodletters or daemonettes are $22.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/04/01 10:06:25


Post by: Archonate


Yeah some of this sounds a little wishlisty. But then again, so did the Guard/Nid/BA/SW rumors 6 months before they came out. Some of the rumors proved accurate, and some did not. Time will tell which of these make the release.
Raider possibly as in the rulebook ( http://www.pbase.com/brimstone/image/97930903/large.jpg ) with sails.

Redundant since the raiders in that picture have sails. Good news though, since those raiders look pretty sweet. And hopefully 'spikier armor' just means jagged like the warriors in that picture.
I really hope they get rid of the slaanesh crap. DE worshiping Slaanesh is very Goto quality fluff. I pray it's just some ignorant wishlister's wetdream.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/04/01 16:09:09


Post by: Kroothawk


Over at Warseer they discuss, if all the new rumours are a collaborative effort of several Warseer veterans at posting made up rumours, a rude April fool's joke in March. Let's see what will come out of this.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/04/01 16:22:03


Post by: dietrich


Only having Rending, no Power Weapons, could work. Look at the SW codex. GHs can either have 2 power weapon attacks (1 base, plus pistol) or d6+1 Rending attacks (Mark of the Wulfen), both for 15 points (iirc). If witches don't get power weapons, but each have 3-4 attacks (instead of 1 or 2), it does help balance it out. You have more attacks against low-save units (orks, guards), and end up with about the same number of unsaveable wounds as you would with a power weapon vs. MEQs.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/04/01 16:52:22


Post by: Kroothawk


I am sorry to say that indeed several Warseer veterans found it funny to spread false, made up rumours in March calling it an April fool's joke.
I am a bit mad at this, as many veteran rumour posters including me got banned from Warseer for posting Tyranid rumours that Brimstone couldn't believe but turned out to be true.

Meriwether from Warseer wrote: APRIL FOOLS!

-----------------------------------------------

Guys,

*Of course* it's a joke. It was meant in silly, April Fool's fun, and between the fluff with our names in it and the translations and the barrage of rumors from people who never post rumors it should have been obvious that it was a joke.

So please, have a nice little chuckle at your own expense if you were fooled this April Fools, shake your head, and get busy. Those minis won't paint themselves!

----------------

Some info, so if you feel a great need to be really upset over a joke involving toy soldiers and those who play with them:

A. This was not a *mod* prank, it was a prank by some of the guilders. The Warseer staff by and large had nothing to do with it.

B. There are plenty of guilders who had no knowledge of the joke, so don't go assuming that every 'silver star' (person who has guilded up) was in on these diabolical shenanigans.

C. Harry -- who had nothing whatsoever to do with this thread and should not in any way be associated with any of this except as an innocent bystander -- had already confirmed that DE are coming "soon" (perhaps this fall, perhaps by January) before we had even dreamed up this joke. So there is a silver lining.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/04/01 16:54:15


Post by: gorgon


Looks like an April Fool's joke...spread out over three days. That targeted a player segment particularly desperate for some news. Lamest April Fool's I've seen in a while.

Those losers need to stick to their day jobs. People are kinda pi$$ed, and they still think it was funny.

@Kroothawk -- We shouldn't be surprised considering all the uneven modding and atmosphere there. You're either one of the boys or not.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/04/01 17:58:03


Post by: Defiler


I implied they can't leave their doors because they are too fat.

That will show them.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/04/01 18:08:21


Post by: kestral


Very believable - just goes to show you... : ) Rather happy it was fake though - always liked "eldar pirate" better than "eldar pain freak" as a dark eldar theme.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/04/01 18:09:58


Post by: Daemon-Archon Ren


Has anyone heard anything about dark eldar getting twin-linked weaponry finally? (Soulseeker-Ammo does not count)


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/04/01 18:09:59


Post by: Skarboy


Wow, what colossal losers.

April Fools Joke on April 1: clever because people are expecting it and you still got them
April Fools Joke any other time: lame and unfunny


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/04/01 18:25:47


Post by: gorgon


They think it's hilarious. No one's laughing but them, and they think it's hilarious.

Which is hilarious in of itself in the way that it's funny to heckle a comedian who laughs at his own jokes and then tries to explain to the unamused audience why the joke is funny.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/04/01 18:40:42


Post by: johnstewartjohn


So do we know if de are coming out within the next or not?


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/04/01 18:50:02


Post by: gorgon


No, not really.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/04/01 19:05:06


Post by: Skarboy


gorgon wrote:They think it's hilarious. No one's laughing but them, and they think it's hilarious.

Which is hilarious in of itself in the way that it's funny to heckle a comedian who laughs at his own jokes and then tries to explain to the unamused audience why the joke is funny.


Exactly. To actually be funny, the audience sort of needs to respond in kind. Admittedly, as stated in their little explanation, it's just about dudes who play with toy soldiers so we need to get over ourselves, but that's sort of like Michael Richardson's explanation that he's not a racist when dropping the N-word on black dudes. Pretty douchey, if you ask me.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/04/01 19:12:32


Post by: gorgon


One of the very real problems in this world is people who are absolutely convinced they're funny but who absolutely aren't. I might have to start up a charity or something around that, it's truly a tragic condition.

We should probably press the big red "MOD" button to have this disaster locked.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/04/01 19:15:16


Post by: Defiler


They aren't going to lock it. Starlight stated they intend on keeping it open until a predetermined time.

I'll go back to trolling it, but that doesn't seem to be working.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/04/01 19:17:25


Post by: gorgon


Defiler wrote:They aren't going to lock it. Starlight stated they intend on keeping it open until a predetermined time.

I'll go back to trolling it, but that doesn't seem to be working.


I meant this one. I alerted the mods.

Unless there's some compelling reason to keep this open, but I have no idea what that would be.


Dark Eldar Rumours @ 2010/04/01 19:31:05


Post by: Frazzled


What I find compelling is Queso. This aint queso. thread closed by request of...somebody.