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Post by: Gornall
Okay FOR THE PLAYERS! Your roles will be sent to you via PM. I will verify that there is at least one pro-town role (like an Inquisitor or Doctor) and that there are two Genestealers in your midst one of whom might be a Magus. There may also be a "loose cannon" role of Assassin and/or Night Lord... or there may not. Basically, you cannot assume anything.
Rules
Votes
1) Votes must be in bold, if you do not bold your vote it will not be counted. This is a good vote - Vote: Gwar! this is a not good vote - Vote:Gwar!.
2) You must Unvote in the same manner.
3) Lynching will require a simple majority of votes. Once a player has reached the necessary majority, their pleas are useless and any attempts to unvote will be unheeded. Thus, as soon as any player has a majority vote that player will be lynched and all subsequent voting does not count. Feel free to post other thoughts while waiting for the lynch scene if you desire. With 7 alive 4 votes are required to lynch. With 3 alive, 2 votes would be required. Ect. ect.
4) You may vote: no lynch. If No Lynch is the majority votes at any time then the day will end with no lynch and move on to the night phase.
5) Vote counts will be tabulated and posted by me at semi-regular intervals or when requested.
Deadlines
1) I will be enforcing a fixed two week Day Phase deadline. All Night Phases have a 48 hour deadline. Deadlines will be counted from the Moderator (my) story posts that will initiate each day and night phase.
2) If you have a night choice to make, it is due by the posted deadline. I will not wait for you. If you do not submit a choice to me then nothing will happen... at all... not even a little bit.
Posting
1) The game is not to be discussed outside the thread unless your role specifically states that you may do so – and then only during Night Phase. Honor system is in effect.
2) Once your death scene has been posted, you’re dead. Stop typing. A single “Bah, you fools!” type post is allowable, but no more please. Do NOT provide meaningful information during your death post. AKA No "voices from the grave"
3) No small or invisible text. Don’t edit/delete previously submitted posts either. Secret codes worked into your regular text are allowable. Going back and editing a post may be grounds for disqualification from the game based on my whim.
4) Don’t quote any PMs from me. If you do, I will be most unhappy. Do not metagame by using any part of role PMs to figure out what roles others may or may not have (i.e. 'everyone post the third letter from the second line of their role PM') Any such metagame activity will result in a modkill (in other words, I'll declare you dead and the game will move to the next phase)
5) If you anticipate being unavailable for more than 2 days, please post a notice to that effect in the thread. Treat this game as a commitment. Be considerate – don’t leave us hanging.
6) Game Mods are human (allegedly), if I make a mistake please PM me I will rectify the mistake as soon as I can.
7) Please bold anything you want me to see.. Also, please try to avoid bolding anything else to ensure I DO see the ones I need to.
Prods aka 'That guy hasn't posted in a while'
1)A player will get prodded if they have been inactive for two real life days.
2)Weekends count as one day. (ie If your last post is on a Thursday you will not be prodded till the Monday following)
3) If you do not pick up your prod/post in game within 24 hours of it being sent I will remove you.
4) Please post in game if you are going to be unavailable for more than 48 hours.
Misc
Remember, it’s a game and it’s supposed to be fun. Be nice to your fellow players.
If you have a problem in game please PM me to discuss it.
The rules can and will be edited at any point if I deem it necessary.
Breaking the rules can be bad for your health, I reserve the right to modkill for serious/repeated naughtiness.
Story Post to follow this post - and role PMs will be sent out momentarily as well.
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Post by: Gornall
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DAY 1: STORY POST
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The constant "drip, drip, drip" of the thousands of leaks alone is enough to drive any man insane. It never stops... day or night, no matter what part of the facility you try to find refuge in. That's only one of the hardships you must deal with living in a rusty mining dome at the bottom of an ocean of some far-flung, forgotten planet. You don't even know what the stuff you're mining is used for. "It can't be that important as the shuttles to pick it up and deliver new supplies are always weeks late.", you muse. The shuttle you are currently waiting for is even more late than normal, meaning many luxuries such as pain killers for the constant pressure-headaches are running in short supply. If you weren't so deep and could get a radio signal to the surface, you might complain to someone... not that they would listen. However, inside this slowly rusting bubble, you are completely cut off from the rest of the galaxy, as the Imperium would hate to see some of the "precious" metal you've been breaking your back to dig up disappear on the black market. Hopefully, you haven't gotten lost in the paperwork bureaucracy of the Imperium and the shuttle is still actually coming. You can only sit and wait... and wonder if you're going to starve to death in this underwater tomb because some paper pusher misfiled some meaningless requisition form.
As you sit there, secretly hoping the Tau will come conquer the planet, an alarm starts blaring over the loudspeakers, signaling everyone to report to the messhall. You hurry to the messhall, and as you enter the room, you notice twelve other people coming in from the different doorways. You begin to wonder what is taking the other half of the crew so long when you look at one of the many display screens lining the walls. It flashes red, and shows that the other residence wing of the facility is flooded! While your initial assumption is that the hull in that part of the dome simply failed, a quick glance at the screen shows somehing much more sinister... one of the exterior access points for shuttle docking is actually open, allowing seawater to flood the hallways and trap anyone in that section of the dome to their rooms. You try to access the main facility controls which would allow you to close the bulkhead door and drain the water, freeing any survivors in that wing, but quickly find that you all seem to be locked out of the system. Only two individuals working in concert could sabatoge the facility in this way. You look around the room and realize that two of the people in this very room with you want you dead. And you realize they've already killed half of the crew... the victims just don't know it yet. They will run out of oxygen in their rooms within a matter of hours, and there is nothing you can do to stop it. You are too busy trying to figure out how you are going to survive this underwater nightmare...
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Day 1 has begun! Post, murder, and lynch at will!
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Post by: BishopGore
Man, it's a good job I don't have A CRUSHING FEAR OF DROWNING!
Oh Emperor, has anyone seen my wife? She's about 3 feet tall, inflatable? Oh man, I left her in the waterlogged area! My pornography! Why God Emperor, WHY?!
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Post by: Thor665
Greetings,
i doth return from my travels and am tired and have strained my limited people interactions skills to their limit already. Thus I shalt make this quick.
Vote: Drk_Oblit
Anyone who has ever experienced an interaction with him for more then thirty seconds will understand why this needs to be done. Plus, he is an obvious traitor. Plus I always have to abbreviate his name because I find it obnoxious to type.
@BishopGore - how come you didn't open up your greeting with a vote (as exciting as the discussion of porn was)?
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Post by: Fifty
((ooc Do we have a list of other players?
This is the one given in the sign up thread - is it correct?
1. Thor
2. DDRE
3. Lord-Loss
4. Mekboy
5. Fifty
6. Vulkan_Hestan
7. Arnheiner
8. BishopGore
9. Brother Stynier
10. Drk_Oblit
11. Shas O'vera
12. Ferret
13. Not U))
Well well well...
Here we all are. Underwater. Marvellous.
I vote for Deff Dredd Red Edition. It didn't work for me last time, but who knows, maybe it will this time!
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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch
"Great, this is just great..." I say taking a seat in the mess hall, lighting up a Iho-stick as per habbit. I glance around at the others, we've all given each other a hard time this rotation. "Man my tour with the PDF was about done, I was about to get off this rock. Had a job lined up with a Rouge Trader."
I remove my helmet and place it upon the table before me, then run a hand through my hair, shaking my head once more.
"I VOTE:Thor."
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
And here I thought you and I had made friends on the long bathysphere ride down here, ah well, suspect me if you must Fifty.
Anyway, Vote: BishopGore he seems overly intent on recovering such...risque items at a time like this.
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Post by: Arheiner
Going...Crazy...Need...Oxygen
Vote: Fifty since I saw him play with some switches earlier
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Post by: Gornall
Vote Count:
1- Thor..................(Brother Stynier)
1- DDRE.................(Fifty)
0- Lord-Loss
0- Mekboy
1- Fifty...................(Arheiner)
0- Vulkan_Hestan
0- Arheiner
1- BishopGore.........(DDRE)
0- Brother Stynier
1- Drk_Oblit............(Thor)
0- Shas O'vera
0- Ferret
0- Not U
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Post by: BishopGore
Why would one open with a vote? I don't even know who any of you are yet.
Maybe I take the RP aspect of this game a trifle seriously...
Vote: Vulkan_Hestan
There's an odd smell in the air, it's engine oil, and we all know the Salamanders burn things >.>
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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch
(OOC) Voting straight out the door is a good way to get conversation going generally.
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
Random votes at the start of the game help us assess how people react, to said votes. Then again I suspect you really need not be told this.
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Post by: BishopGore
I know that intro votes help us assess, but I didn't see that it mattered whether I opened with a vote or not is all I was saying.
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Post by: Vulkan_He'stan
Vote: bishop gore
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Post by: BishopGore
I'll pretend I didn't see that
(PS I know you're not allowed to edit posts, but hopefully I'll be let off from this one)
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
Vulkan_He'stan wrote:psst I disn't get a role PM
Gornall, this is in breach of the rules isn't it?
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Post by: BishopGore
Ok, too many of us saw it for me to pretend I didn't >.<
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Post by: Thor665
Deff Dread red Edition wrote:Gornall, this is in breach of the rules isn't it?
Gornall's call of course, but the only potential breach is his editing of his post as far as I can tell. There is no rule against implying you are a given role (or even claiming it as such)
Generally everyone in this game is acting like they're a regular innocent because either they're;
Genestealers - and want people to think they're innocent
Power Roles - and want the Genestealers to think they're regular townies
or regular townies - in which case they're regular townies and want to be telling the truth.
That said - IF YOU ARE A REGULAR IMPERIAL CITIZEN - PLEASE DON'T SAY SO UNLESS YOU *HAVE* TO! Every time someone does that it increases the chances of the Genestealers being able to find any hidden operatives (*cough*Inquisitors/Pskers/etal*cough*) amongst us and generally only helps them.
We do not wish to help them.
Now, that said, Gornall may or may not mod quash Vulkan but we can still see what evidence we can get out of this since the "secret" is out.
@BishopGore - why did you want to "not see" Vulkan's comment?
@Vulkan - why did you change your comment to a vote of BishopGore?
@Deff Dread - do you think it is more likely that Vulkan just didn't notice Gornall's method of role PMs or do you think Vulkan is intentionally trying to mislead us?
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Post by: Lord-Loss
Vote: Meboy Mekboy ay? Been messing with the flood doors?! Edit: Did like five seconds after to fix the /quote to [/b].  EDIT2:For some reason this post completely messed up. :/
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Post by: Thor665
Greetings, Lord-Loss. I certainly appreciate your aggressive and early charge out of the gate, but am surprised you did so without feeling a need to comment on anything that has gone before. We actually have some interesting points to consider and discuss already and it's not even page 2 yet - this is a good thing...why waste it?
@Lord-Loss - how do you feel about me clearly trying to control the way the conversation of the game is going? Do you think this will help or hinder town, and why is that?
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Post by: Lord-Loss
OOC: It's 3am. 
I guess you're just trying to get discussion started. Having a pro-town control the conversation could turn out bad if the pro-town is night killed, or he turns out to be scum. I'll get more suspicous if you keep trying to control the conversation once discussion has got going but I can't see anything bad from it now.
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Post by: Thor665
3AM? You, sir, are a masochist. Then again I often do the same so.... In any case, the following is for you after a night's rest;
Lord-Loss wrote:I guess you're just trying to get discussion started. Having a pro-town control the conversation could turn out bad if the pro-town is night killed, or he turns out to be scum.
Exactly correct on the conversation part. Having people express their opinions about other players and the actions other players perform is key to a town victory. I will agree that if we have only a single "leader" (using the term very loosely) of the town that it is bad for town if that "leader" is either nightkilled or is a Genestealer.
I'll get more suspicous if you keep trying to control the conversation once discussion has got going but I can't see anything bad from it now.
Here you show suspicion about the concept of someone trying to control conversation. Though I always admit to trying to control conversation, I will note that what I try to control is that people keep talking and keep explaining themselves. If I keep doing this throughout the game (I will) will you find this suspicious? If so, what about this stated course of action will you find suspicious? If you do not find this stated concept suspicious then it suggests you see some aspect of control in my posts other then what I have claimed I do - what is this aspect you see in me that makes you potentially uneasy if I continue in my current course?
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Post by: Gornall
Mod note: Keep edits to a minimum. If you have to make an edit do an "Edit: I screwed this up and fixed it by doing this." at the end of your post.
I make no comment on Vulkan's statement other than his vote currently doesn't count as it stands. You can either interpret his not getting modkilled as proof that he's lying... or proof that I'm a benevolent mod... Up to you guys.
Vote Count:
1- Thor..................(Brother Stynier)
1- DDRE.................(Fifty)
0- Lord-Loss
1- Mekboy..............(Lord Loss)
1- Fifty...................(Arheiner)
1- Vulkan_Hestan....(Bishop Gore)
0- Arheiner
1- BishopGore.........(DDRE)
0- Brother Stynier
1- Drk_Oblit............(Thor)
0- Shas O'vera
0- Ferret
0- Not U
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.
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Post by: Drk_Oblitr8r
Thor665 wrote:Greetings,
i doth return from my travels and am tired and have strained my limited people interactions skills to their limit already. Thus I shalt make this quick.
Vote: Drk_Oblit
Anyone who has ever experienced an interaction with him for more then thirty seconds will understand why this needs to be done. Plus, he is an obvious traitor. Plus I always have to abbreviate his name because I find it obnoxious to type.
@BishopGore - how come you didn't open up your greeting with a vote (as exciting as the discussion of porn was)?
*clears throat* Greetings,
I fully beleive your opinion of me is unjust. I don't speak for any longer than 29 seconds, as I have usually finished stating my point and justified it.
If you find my name obnoxious to type, you should try saying it. If it pleases you, I will let you call me Derek. It rolls off the toung better.
For the moment though, I shall not vote:Thor because I don't feel justified in doing so. As it stands, I do not have a good reason to do so. So I will not.
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
@Deff Dread - do you think it is more likely that Vulkan just didn't notice Gornall's method of role PMs or do you think Vulkan is intentionally trying to mislead us?
At the moment I'm not overly sure. Considering his actions in previous games, he could very well have forgotten. On the other hand, he could be using said information to be a crafty genestealer. In all honesty I find it a bit strange that he didn't see the rules on the PMs as they were rather clearly stated in the sign up thread. Then again, he could simply have not seen them. Either way, I find him a person of interest.
He in fact is someone I now consider to be a genestealer. You see, I like to build genestealer pairings early(most of us have our theories already, I'm sure). Vulkan and BishopGore are now chief suspects in my mind. BishopGore for rather quickly voting after somebody called him on not doing so and trying to 'forget' what I consider useful information. Vulkan is suspect, simply because of the way he entered the game, after having been called on saying he did not receive PM, he immediately then instead of defending himself on the matter, voted for BishopGore. Which I find strange as both of them are voting for each other.
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Post by: the_ferrett
Multi-tasking, fun fun!
I do wonder why Vulkan is always seemingly guilty. In _most_ other games I've seen him in, he's been nailed to the wall early.
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Post by: Drk_Oblitr8r
Deff Dread, It's commendible for you to try and reach a logical explanation behind Vulkans actions. However, I see finding it to be as likely as me giving a long winded speech. I'm sure you can imagine it's not very likely. By not very likely, I mean almost close to impossible. By close to impossible, I mean impossible for any other explanation than a simple "mistake". I could say I have my theories about who is who, and what is what, but I do not say anything that is purely ficticious. There is one thing that is bugging me so far... Vulkan, why are you voting for BishopGore? You're post is, and I quote Vulkan_He'stan wrote:Vote: bishop gore
This is all I have heard from you, straight from the horses mouth, so to speak. *kneels down next to Vulkan, puts my hand on his shoulder* So, can you explain this to me, little buddy? On an unrelated side note, I will not recognise quoted speech as evidence, unless you state where it's from, as it is easily forged. Here's an example I make purely in jest. Thor665 wrote:Greetings,
I am a Genestealer.
Rawr.
As far as I can remember, Thor has never said anything of the sort. Yet, some of the more, "special", of us would be.. SPESHUL_GAI wrote: GRRRR THOR SAID HE WAS GENESTEALER, HURRR
VOTE:THOR
So be cool, and use references. Like this... Thor665 wrote:Greetings,
I am a Genestealer.
Rawr.
So remember, be cool
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Post by: Fifty
At least we don't have the silly pictures to go with it this time... 
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Post by: BishopGore
Heh, yeah, that was a stupid thing to say. I can't talk about other games, so it's possibly because at some point he was in a situation where he's about to be lynched and I didn't want him modkilled in this one too.
But it's all ok now.
This is my second game of Mafia, the first being one that has not ended yet and I'm still learning. Different people have different ways of playing and I guess I thought I'd try to fit in a little, forgetting that trying to fit in looks suspicious.
So I shall stop trying to fit in and be contrary, thus looking more suspicious, yet hopefully with style.
As for the pairing with Vulkan, that makes me laugh.
@Drk_Oblitr8r - how do you link a quote? Do you just put the URL code around Quote code, or is it something different?
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Post by: SagesStone
OOC: I'm going to try a very very different and agressive tactic than normal. *hopes for protown psyker* IC: A nearby door bursts open and a figure in a big dark coat walks in with an expresion of disgust apon his face. The Aquila shone brightly on his armour as well as the symbol of the Inquisition. "We have had reports of aparent heresy in this region therefore you are all under investigation. I have chosen to be more out in the open than most other Inquisitors have simply because the Emperor will not allow harm to come upon someone who spreads his will and I consider that method to be used by cowards. I am the Inquisitor, and you are all guilty until such a time as I suspect you of innocence". BishopGore wrote:Man, it's a good job I don't have A CRUSHING FEAR OF DROWNING!
Oh Emperor, has anyone seen my wife? She's about 3 feet tall, inflatable? Oh man, I left her in the waterlogged area! My pornography! Why God Emperor, WHY?!
*monicle drops* "This sounds a lot like heresy to me, explain why I shouldn't execute you on the spot?" Vote: Bishop Edit: put in same sentence twice DUUUUURRRP 
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Post by: Vulkan_He'stan
OK I didn't read where it said if you don't get a pm you are a citizen
then read it thought ohh damn edited it to a random vote
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Post by: Thor665
@Drk_O - I actually like your linked quote thing. However, Personally I use quotes a lot and am lazy - therefore I shall not provide links to things I am quoting unless I am asked to or unless the quote comes from a point a few pages prior to when I post.
BishopGore wrote:This is my second game of Mafia, the first being one that has not ended yet and I'm still learning. Different people have different ways of playing and I guess I thought I'd try to fit in a little, forgetting that trying to fit in looks suspicious.
I find this a very interesting line of thought. You were trying to fit in by trying to ignore Vulkan's role PM claim? I'm not sure I see how that's trying to "fit in," personally. For the record, yes, you are correct that trying too hard to 'fit in' can be detrimental to town. It is best (in my opinion at least) to simply do your best at whatever tactic you feel offers the best chance to catch Genestealers. As I noted earlier to Lord-Loss, the town can suffer if there is a single leader who is killed or is a Genestealer, so it helps the town to be as akin to the Alpha Legion and have many leaders who will provide the Genestealers with a lot of difficult targets to choose from.
n0t_u wrote:I am the Inquisitor, and you are all guilty until such a time as I suspect you of innocence".
IF THERE IS A PSKYER DO *NOT* CLAIM JUST YET!
IF THERE IS ANOTHER/REAL INQUISITOR DO *NOT COUNTER CLAIM YET!
Good gawd, n0t_u, I'm not sure how to respond to this. I can see the possibility of a certain pro-town angle here, and if that's what you're doing then you are the man and I love the ballsy play. For the record to everyone else, I do not suspect n0t_u at least for today. Prior to the lynch scene I'll make sure to include some more thoughts on this to try to help you in case I am killed to death, but at least through the remainder of Day 1 there is no reason not to believe n0t_u.
@n0t_u - what is your read on BishopGore?
Vulkan_He'stan wrote:OK I didn't read where it said if you don't get a pm you are a citizen
then read it thought ohh damn edited it to a random vote
A random vote? Of the guy who just (randomly?) happened to be the one voting for you? What about your vote was random and how did you randomly decide to vote BishopGore?
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Post by: the_ferrett
Wow this Day 1 is the most..... drama-ific I've seen so far. Kuddos to it.
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Post by: BishopGore
Thor665 wrote:I find this a very interesting line of thought. You were trying to fit in by trying to ignore Vulkan's role PM claim? I'm not sure I see how that's trying to "fit in," personally. For the record, yes, you are correct that trying too hard to 'fit in' can be detrimental to town. It is best (in my opinion at least) to simply do your best at whatever tactic you feel offers the best chance to catch Genestealers. As I noted earlier to Lord-Loss, the town can suffer if there is a single leader who is killed or is a Genestealer, so it helps the town to be as akin to the Alpha Legion and have many leaders who will provide the Genestealers with a lot of difficult targets to choose from.
This part of my post has nothing to do with fitting in. As I said, I wanted Vulkan to live in this game because of another game that may or may not be taking place at some other part of the space time continuum. Since one shouldn't speak of other games. Like Fight Club. If I had been the only one to see Vulkan's slip up (if it WAS a slip up) then firstly it seemed unfair of me to call attention to it (I like the underdog) and secondly I guess I liked the idea of being the only one to know. Which is horribly suspicious. I'm not doing well so far today.
I'm not sure you should say the town should be like a Chaos Space Marine Legion... that seems a little... heretical.
I'm sorry Mr Inquisitor, when I saw all the destruction my mind went to a strange place, but when you entered the room your purity shone like a beacon on my soul and washed away all the grime. I am pure now and will never look at dirty holotapes again. *bats eyelashes*
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Post by: SagesStone
Just his opening post hints strongly at Slaneesh worship. Your mind went to a strange place? Your heresy will be forgiven by the Emperor through faith and fire.
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Post by: Thor665
the_ferrett wrote:Wow this Day 1 is the most..... drama-ific I've seen so far. Kuddos to it.
Indeed - it is interesting. The question, however, is what reads are you getting out of it? I don't need to know if you find it interesting, I need to know if you see scummy activity yet. If you don't see scummy activity yet then you should probably be trying to help generate some sort of conversation that will cause the Genestealer's to mess up rather then simply commenting generically on the general feeling of drama you feel towards the game.
What is your opinion of the Vulkan/BishopGore voting circle?
BishopGore wrote:I'm not sure you should say the town should be like a Chaos Space Marine Legion... that seems a little... heretical.
Do you think my action in that regard was heretical? Why/why not, and how do you think it does or does not serve as evidence of me being a Genestealer?
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Post by: BishopGore
Man, you guys take the random voting stage seriously.
Your talk of the Alpha Legion was not heretical, as I assume you were refering to their early work before the Heresy. In character I would know nothing of this, but there's no real gap between in and out of character in Mafia, because it's not an RP game. So no, the comment does not mark you as a genestealer. Just as someone who uses similies without worrying about staying in character.
Honestly there's no one yet besides me who's been suspicious, and I know I'm not a genestealer.
I'd also like to point out that the proponant of the 'voting circle' was Vulkan. I chose a random person who hadn't been voted for yet, and Vulkan responded with his usual lack of thought. There's no point unvoting him yet, there's noone else worth voting for, when the time comes I'll go back to ignoring him.
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Post by: Vulkan_He'stan
random voting I picked a name on the list (with random name picker online)
and it was bishop gore
so sorry for being random
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Post by: Fifty
Logically, not_u would not claim to be an Inquisitor at this stage unless he is, right? Because he has set himself up to be investigated, and that means that if he is a genestealer, he has scrod himself, and if he is a Citizen, that hardly helps us.
Unless there is a genestealer blocker, to stop other people investigating him... Hmmm... Or he thinks he can make real Inquisitors look bad by making the claim first...
Surely he has just set himself up to be target number 1 if he isn't a 'stealer?
Hmmm... was a blocker one of the possibilities in the original post?
*goes back to read carefully*
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Post by: Fifty
If there is a magus, like it says in the first post, what can they do?
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Post by: Thor665
BishopGore wrote:Man, you guys take the random voting stage seriously.
The internets are serious business! (on a simple game concept - I like to take certain aspects of RVS seriously because the goal of town is to get *out* of RVS as soon as possible. The sooner people are offering legitimate thought on votes and actions of themselves and others the better it is for town in my opinion.)
Your talk of the Alpha Legion was not heretical, as I assume you were refering to their early work before the Heresy. In character I would know nothing of this, but there's no real gap between in and out of character in Mafia, because it's not an RP game. So no, the comment does not mark you as a genestealer. Just as someone who uses similies without worrying about staying in character.
To be frank, I don't do much of the 'in character' stuff as I find the simple logic puzzle/analyzation of others' actions aspect of the game more interesting and fun. I simply asked you about this point because you commented that I seemed heretical for it and wished to know how you were applying or not applying logic to it. I don't support ever trying to advance any sort of case via the use of 'fluff' reasons (so I'm equally unimpressed with n0t_u's current case on you, but as part of the RVS it's not inherently bad, it's simply not inherently useful either)
Honestly there's no one yet besides me who's been suspicious...Vulkan responded with his usual lack of thought.
You believe Vulkan voted you with lack of thought (of course he has admitted this now) but you also think you're the most guilty seeming? Meh. You do agree that you are suspicious for your 'I didn't see that' moment and now we have both you and Vulkan voting for each other. It really looks like there is some sort of energy between you two that is quite possibly telling of one (or both) being Genestealers. If you are innocent, as you claim, then why do you think Vulkan voted you? Do you really think it was just random carelessness, or do you think he did it because he's a Genestealer?
Fifty wrote:Logically, not_u would not claim to be an Inquisitor at this stage unless he is, right? Because he has set himself up to be investigated, and that means that if he is a genestealer, he has scrod himself, and if he is a Citizen, that hardly helps us.
I do not wish to comment on this concept too much at this point. However, for the course of Day 1 (unless he does something ridiculous) I do not think it will benefit the Imperials to vote for n0t_u and for the rest of today I am accepting him as the Inquisitor. You may feel free to respond to him in whatever manner you think is best. I do strongly encourage no other roles to reveal themselves at this time (except for the Genestealer team, it would be beneficial if you revealed at this point)
Fifty wrote:If there is a magus, like it says in the first post, what can they do?
As per your earlier ruminations - a Magus is a roleblocker role. Each night he may target another player, and prevents their night action (if any) from happening.
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Post by: Gornall
2- Thor..................(Brother Stynier, DarkO)
1- DDRE.................(Fifty)
0- Lord-Loss
1- Mekboy..............(Lord Loss)
1- Fifty...................(Arheiner)
1- Vulkan_Hestan....(Bishop Gore)
0- Arheiner
2- BishopGore.........(DDRE, n0t_U)
0- Brother Stynier
1- Drk_Oblit............(Thor)
0- Shas O'vera
0- Ferret
0- Not U
With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
And DarkO, I know you said "not Vote: Thor, but because the not wasn't bolded, you're now voting for him. Feel free to unvote at your leisure.
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Post by: BishopGore
Vulkan has a knee-jerk reaction whenever he's voted for of voting for that person, as if there's no way anything bad could come of it. I have nothing to explain with regards to that.
I've said some dumb things so far this game, but that's because I get over excited at the start of a game. Either you'll hold it against me or you'll realise it was simply a mistake, either way I can't change the past.
Unvote: Vulkan
That vote isn't going to get me anywhere and it's a waste of time anyway after his slip.
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
Mmmmh...little bit of a strange intro there Not_U. Aggressive style of play, I like it.
BishopGore, you are now even more suspect in my eyes. After Thor brings up you and Vulkan voting for each other as one of your main suspicious points. You go and then unvote him straight after said comment was made. Then again, I might be reading in to it a little too much.
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Post by: BishopGore
Actually no. Thor called me on the vote shortly after Vulkan voted for me. That was about 4-5 of my posts ago. I didn't unvote him then, but am now, after all the talk has happened.
You guys have said the 'voting circle' (though 2 points don't usually make a circle) is suspicious, I've given reasons why it happened, now I'm unvoting him for the reasons stated above.
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
Well enough made points. I do indeed agree that voting for Vulkan at this stage won't yield much conversation.
Whom do you find suspicious then Gore?
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Post by: shas'o vera
hmmm, i never knew you guys were this trigger happy about voting, well, i learned from said previous games that i will post when i have enough evidence.
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Post by: Thor665
shas'o vera wrote:hmmm, i never knew you guys were this trigger happy about voting, well, i learned from said previous games that i will post when i have enough evidence.
Trigger happy in what way? How do you feel we are being trigger happy and why do you feel it's not a good idea to play that way?
How are you planning to gather evidence if your plan is to remain quiet until "enough evidence" shows up. Theoretically you are going to gather evidence from people's conversations - why would you not want to try to help/encourage that conversation?
What is your opinion of Vulkan? Do you think his 'need my role PM' comment was intended to mislead us or do you think it was an honest slip?
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Post by: Arheiner
Trust me, if you try that people jump on you for not wanting to add anything and being suspicious Shas'o, happened to me in my first game although I was innocent.
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Post by: Thor665
@Arheiner - do you agree with me that we should treat n0t_u as Inquisitor at least through Day 1? How do you feel about his vote on BishopGore?
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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch
Thor you seem very intent on controlling the way this is going, though from experience in prior games thats what you always do, power role or not. Similar much in the same respect that I try and remain relatively engaging.
Looks as though Drk_O will be going his similar route, which means he'll probably make people go, "Is he or isn't he?" To which the proper response is to;
UNVOTE: Thor
and
VOTE: Dark_O should he be a stealer well hey that's great, if he's not a least the suspect list is shorter.
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Post by: Thor665
BrotherStynier wrote:Thor you seem very intent on controlling the way this is going, though from experience in prior games thats what you always do, power role or not.
I have always and openly stated that I am always going to be trying to control the game to obligate people to express their thoughts and explain their votes. Also, my antics on the last page have pretty much all been asking relevant and logical questions to players who have posted up comments without actually posting up content.
High level of comments with low level of content = good for Genestealers and bad for town.
I also agree with your vote consolidation to Drk_O. We should get a few wagons rolling to see how people react to them.
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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch
Well I understand your method of play it is highly useful, also I'd like to clarify that I meant un-engaging above as I'm usually one of the quieter ones.
I feel Drk_O will do what he usually does, cloud the discussion with a high level of comments that mean absolutely nothing. So from your statement about comments with out content assisting the 'stealers, if he's a loyalist his death will assist us in another manner. It will cut the amount of clutter the genestealers will be able to hide in.
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Post by: Lord-Loss
You're already talking about lynching Stynier? We're barely into Day One!
Dark_Oblit has barely said anything.
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Post by: Drk_Oblitr8r
BishopGore wrote:@Drk_Oblitr8r - how do you link a quote? Do you just put the URL code around Quote code, or is it something different?
I think so, grab the link to the post, put it in this(replace <> for []) <url=link><quote></quote></url> I'm not sure if it works with the url in the quote, but meh.
Thor665 wrote:@Drk_O - I actually like your linked quote thing. However, Personally I use quotes a lot and am lazy - therefore I shall not provide links to things I am quoting unless I am asked to or unless the quote comes from a point a few pages prior to when I post.
OOC: I think I exadurated alittle. I think it should be used more on quotes for posts that are also from a few DayPhases previous. I completely forgot about an easier way to know which quotes are true or not. Memory.
BrotherStynier wrote:I feel Drk_O will do what he usually does, cloud the discussion with a high level of comments that mean absolutely nothing. So from your statement about comments with out content assisting the 'stealers, if he's a loyalist his death will assist us in another manner. It will cut the amount of clutter the genestealers will be able to hide in.
Absolutely nothing? I'm not sure what to tell you, most of what I say means something. Maybe you don't see it, maybe I'm not clear enough. I'm not sure. I'll try and focus more. I want to be more help...
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Post by: Thor665
Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:Absolutely nothing? I'm not sure what to tell you, most of what I say means something. Maybe you don't see it, maybe I'm not clear enough. I'm not sure. I'll try and focus more. I want to be more help...
As I noted earlier - there is a difference between a post and a post with content. Your post here is a great example.
You have lots of discussion, are responding to a few posters, and are working hard at looking helpful and having a general dialogue about the flow of the game.
However, when someone actually looks at the post what do they see? Is there any information in there that is relevant to the game discussion? Do I know your attitude towards any of the other players better now then I did before? Did you make a case against anyone, or discuss anything that looked scummy or townish to you? Did you offer a plan or concept that will help town find scum or discern a better voting strategy?
You have posted a post that suggests activity without actually giving away any reads or doing anything that will generate game related content. Each post you make ought to at least be answering/questioning/analyzing/pressuring one of the players/actions in the game in order for it to help us find scum. (of course if you can come up with something that is not on that list and showcase how it helps find scum I am good with that too - but if you're not helping town find scum then you are more likely to be scum yourself, or a player who is not helping his team)
I am happier with my Drk_O vote now, if anyone is not happy with their vote we could do with another 1-2 over here. If you disagree with me calling Drk_O for this or find another player more scummy then say so and explain why
Lord-Loss wrote:You're already talking about lynching Stynier? We're barely into Day One!
Dark_Oblit has barely said anything.
This is hardly an unusual attitude from Stynier, and he has used it before in other games where he was a town oriented role. He is explaining why his vote is where it currently is, and that is something I agree with. I actually will note that I disagree with his basic reasoning insomuch as it is always preferable to be voting someone you find scummy rather then a policy lynch based on the lack of expected contribution from a certain player. Though, of course, this early in the day it is not an unreasonable standpoint to take while awaiting more evidence/actions (which is basically what I just did, as Drk_O's post above this one is a lot of sturm and drang signifying nothing and legitimately feels scummy to me).
Do you think Stynier is scummy for wanting to lynch Drk_O now (though I disagree that Stynier said this) and for the reasons stated? If so you should vote for him since your current vote appears to be a joking RVS vote. If you do not think Stynier is acting scummy then why are you bringing up his action?
Gornall - I would like to note that Mekboy is the only player who has not yet posted and is at approximately 1.5 days of inactivity (Sunday counting as a half day and Monday). If he hasn't posted by some point tomorrow please prod him.
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Post by: Drk_Oblitr8r
Thor665 wrote:Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:Absolutely nothing? I'm not sure what to tell you, most of what I say means something. Maybe you don't see it, maybe I'm not clear enough. I'm not sure. I'll try and focus more. I want to be more help...
As I noted earlier - there is a difference between a post and a post with content. Your post here is a great example.
You have lots of discussion, are responding to a few posters, and are working hard at looking helpful and having a general dialogue about the flow of the game.
However, when someone actually looks at the post what do they see? Is there any information in there that is relevant to the game discussion? Do I know your attitude towards any of the other players better now then I did before? Did you make a case against anyone, or discuss anything that looked scummy or townish to you? Did you offer a plan or concept that will help town find scum or discern a better voting strategy?
You have posted a post that suggests activity without actually giving away any reads or doing anything that will generate game related content. Each post you make ought to at least be answering/questioning/analyzing/pressuring one of the players/actions in the game in order for it to help us find scum. (of course if you can come up with something that is not on that list and showcase how it helps find scum I am good with that too - but if you're not helping town find scum then you are more likely to be scum yourself, or a player who is not helping his team)
I am happier with my Drk_O vote now, if anyone is not happy with their vote we could do with another 1-2 over here. If you disagree with me calling Drk_O for this or find another player more scummy then say so and explain why
I was actually unaware I wasn't doing any of those things you listed. I do like to think that I offer my opinnion, which could shed some light on someone that someone may not have had. I did also ask Vulkan why he didn't explain why he didn't vote for Bishop, so I'm not %100 pointless
I'll have to let you know though, while I appreciate you helping me just now, I completely disagree with you calling on me. You're continuing to vote for me because you beleive I wasn't helping. While it's deffinately true, I think you're voting for me because you think I have/was doing it on purpose. I didn't realise I wasn't actually helping until now.
However, I'm going to Unvote: Thor665, because an eye for an eye, and you gave me my over one back.
I'll go over what I think about who I find suspicious so far :
Bishop, as MR INQUISITOR so elegantly pointed out, has shown evidence of Slanesh worship. However, I remember someone had almost died from talking about a certain ab-human in their first post. So, I would think I should let it slide. However, Gornall did say
Gornall wrote:There may also be a "loose cannon" role of Assassin and/or Night Lord... or there may not. Basically, you cannot assume anything.
The very moment you're told not to assume anything, you can always assume that it's true. So it may be that if there would be a Night Lords Assailant, that it may indeed be Bishop who could be a NLA. Only time will tell.
n0t_u (hereby refered to as MR INQUISITOR) There are three possibilities.
1. He is an Inquisitor, (and deserves the nick name I have given him) trying to proove there is no good time to say "Hey, I am the Inquisitor"
2. He is a Genestealer, hoping that there is no Inquisitor, meaning that there would be a Psyker who will now protect him every NightPhase from Bish-- I mean a NLA
3. He is the NLA, hoping for the same thing as my second outlined possibilty, and also to put some fear in the Genestealers.
I'm getting vibes from Vulkan, but they're the normal vibes I get from Vulkan. Easily frustrated, possibly disinterested in the game. I'm probibly wrong, but I know what my spidey sense is telling me.
I'm also getting Vibes from Stynier, but it's probibly just a knee jerk reaction. Easily ignored for now, because I respect what he was getting at.
I'm not sure I should vote for anyone at the moment, I need to think things over.
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Post by: Gornall
I will give Mekboy some more time, as I technically started a day early (I had previously said plan to start on the 5th).
1- Thor..................(DarkO)
1- DDRE.................(Fifty)
0- Lord-Loss
1- Mekboy..............(Lord Loss)
1- Fifty...................(Arheiner)
0- Vulkan_Hestan
0- Arheiner
2- BishopGore.........(DDRE, n0t_U)
0- Brother Stynier
2- Drk_Oblit............(Thor, Brother Stynier)
0- Shas O'vera
0- Ferret
0- Not U
With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
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Post by: Fifty
n0t_u (hereby refered to as MR INQUISITOR) There are three possibilities.
1. He is an Inquisitor, (and deserves the nick name I have given him) trying to proove there is no good time to say "Hey, I am the Inquisitor"
Well, if he really is an Inquisitor, and it works, he may prove otherwise. Oddly enough, if he is a faker he is probably also a 'stealer, so one way to spot the real Inquisitor may now be to look for 'stealerish behaviour towards not_U.
2. He is a Genestealer, hoping that there is no Inquisitor, meaning that there would be a Psyker who will now protect him every NightPhase from Bish-- I mean a NLA
Let me get this right, Inquisitors investigate and find out exactly what the person really is. (I got that from the last game - see I can learn!) Psykers protect against investigation, but they do not learn anything about who they are protecting, so they could protect the wrong person, right? Psykers don't protect against death, do they? So a Genestealer could be protected by a Magus, 'cos they get to talk to each other, or an Imperial psyker, 'cos that Psyker thinks he is an Inquisitor but has no way of checking. Or a Magus could even "protect" a genuine Inquisitor to make him look suspicious, but then how would anyone know he was protecting him unless there were two Inquisitors?
3. He is the NLA, hoping for the same thing as my second outlined possibilty, and also to put some fear in the Genestealers.
So what do Night Lords do? They are against everyone, right? What special powers do they have? What does the A stand for in NLA?
I do not feel a vote for DDRE is currently useful, so I unvote Deff Dread red Edition. I do not see any value in voting right now, as I feel we have discussion going without needing random votes to push it forward, so I will hold off for a little while.
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Post by: Fifty
A question for Arheiner - Your vote for me was very early? Can I assume it was random, or was there some sinister logic behind it?
A question for not_U - I assume, having announced/faked your authority, you will be planning to tell us exactly who you have "investigated" each night? It would seem silly not to do so now you have "revealed(?)" yourself.
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Post by: Arheiner
What does anyone have to go by at that early stage, it's best to generate discussion so I welcome your questions.
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
Actually Fifty, Pyskers(whom I assume work as doctors, which are role blockers)could prevent a death. They prevent night actions being carried out on individuals(as does the magus if I remember correctly).
Perhaps it is some sort of stealer probe, but the way I thought it would work would be a little too high risk.
As for the Night Lord Aspirant(NLA), he functions like a serial killer. They carry out murders during the night to.
Sorry for doing one of those, a lot of chat, nothing really said posts. I'm still mainly waiting for BishopGore to respond to my previous question.
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Post by: Fifty
Ah, I thought Psykers and Doctors were two different things. Psyker is just the name for Doctor in the 40K version then?
Okay then Arheiner, am I right in remembering that you took over from someone else in the last game?
This time, I suggest that you may have voted for me early for two reasons:
1) You saw me survive to the end as a loyal Imperial Citizen last time. This unnerves you, as you are a Genestealer and you don't like people that don't get lynched easily, so you decided to try and get rid of me early (an admittedly unlikely tactic, as initial votes are unlikely to lead to a lynch)
2) You didn't like the way I "coerced/bullied/encouraged" people to get involved last time, so you picked on the person you dislike. (I have no idea how personally you take these games. You may have already forgotten that already, or you may have a picture of me (how did you get that photo, by the way?) up on a dartboard and enjoy stabbing me in the eyes...)
Who do you find suspicious so far?
Truth be told, I have no reason to find you suspicious, Arheiner. I am always wary of Drk_O. I am going to try and spot differences in his style this time compared to last, but he was so eccentric last time that it will be hard to draw conclusions. Lord-Loss seems quiet this time compared to last, and has questioned Thor on this "leading" style, when he himself seemed quite vocal previously. However, it is hardly something huge just yet.
Brother Stynier seems anxious to get to a lynch, but it seems a 'stealer would actually be more circumspect about suggesting lynches too early...
As always, I'll encourage people to talk more. Last time Mekboy made some posts about people's talking patterns and voting patterns. Hopefully he will do the same again. If not, I am on holiday right now, so I will do it myself in the next day or two once we get a few more pages. It is early for that yet, I think.
I might also start a tracker of who I think is contributing most in a purely subjective way. Or that might just get me shot.
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Post by: Arheiner
RVS is literally random, I looked down the list and picked a name from it for no reason tbh.
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Post by: SagesStone
Yes I do intend to reveal my investigations both whenever asked and during my death post. Also Gornal is it against the rules for me to ask you to provide confirmation on my assigned role to everyone here?
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Post by: Fifty
n0t_u wrote:Yes I do intend to reveal my investigations both whenever asked and during my death post.
You are not allowed to give useful info during your death post, sadly.
Also Gornal is it against the rules for me to ask you to provide confirmation on my assigned role to everyone here?
My guess is that you are perfectly entitled to ask, but he won't actually do it.
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Post by: shas'o vera
hmm, interesting
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Post by: Thor665
I'm re-asking these questions since both players missed it/ignored me. I do not ask these questions for no reason - they are applicable to the game, and they will help prevent us from having to read too many "hmmm, interesting" posts which are useless when trying to find Genestealers. If Shas'O's third post is yet another meaningless 'hmmm, look at this' post without any of his own opinions I will vote for him and do my darnedest to lynch him today.
Arheiner wrote:RVS is literally random, I looked down the list and picked a name from it for no reason tbh.
@Arheiner - do you agree with me that we should treat n0t_u as Inquisitor at least through Day 1? How do you feel about his vote on BishopGore?
shas'o vera wrote:hmmm, i never knew you guys were this trigger happy about voting, well, i learned from said previous games that i will post when i have enough evidence.
Trigger happy in what way? How do you feel we are being trigger happy and why do you feel it's not a good idea to play that way?
How are you planning to gather evidence if your plan is to remain quiet until "enough evidence" shows up. Theoretically you are going to gather evidence from people's conversations - why would you not want to try to help/encourage that conversation?
What is your opinion of Vulkan? Do you think his 'need my role PM' comment was intended to mislead us or do you think it was an honest slip?
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Post by: Lord-Loss
I have a problem with treating N0t_u as an inqusitior. He means that we are less likely to lynch him, if we act as if he is an inqusitior. I'd rather not treat as an Inqusitior and rather treat him slightly suspicous for admitting he's an inqusitior this early in the day. There's a chance he's scum.
I think Styniers rushing onto Drk_Oblit too fast, he had one post when Stynier started accusing him and It was hardly a suspicous post, only weird.
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Post by: Thor665
Lord-Loss wrote:I have a problem with treating N0t_u as an inqusitior. He means that we are less likely to lynch him, if we act as if he is an inqusitior. I'd rather not treat as an Inqusitior and rather treat him slightly suspicous for admitting he's an inqusitior this early in the day. There's a chance he's scum.
Yes, but in the most basic of analysis; the truth of the matter is he's either an Inquisitor or a Genestealer(read this as any anti-town role). This is different from most other people we might lynch today because they are basically 50/50 either Genestealer or a pro town role - most likely vanilla Imperial Citizen.
Unless we see n0t_u doing something really scummy today he's just not statistically that brilliant of a lynch option for Day 1. Also, we've already got at least one more valuable information lynch to look at in the BishopGore potential lynch as well as the player who is (in my opinion) the only one who has thus far done anything that I would call an actual scumtell, and that's Drk_O.
I will note that I agree with you insomuch as I have already stated that my preference for not lynching n0t_u only lasts through Day 1. We will be in a much different situation on Day 2 and at that point I'll actually be asking for counter-claims against n0t_u. But for Day 1 I think it is wisest to simply not lynch him unless you can point out some logic that I am missing here.
I continue to disagree with your Stynier commentary. I think you are either misunderstanding Stynier's stated intentions, misunderstanding how much danger Drk_O is currently under for being quicklynched, or are intentionally misrepresenting Stynier's position because you are anti-town and he isn't and you are trying to make him look scummy.
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Post by: SagesStone
No, I knew it wouldn't make me less likely to be lynched. Simply looking at past games if the Inquisitor reveals themselves at a later part to try to prove that someone is guilty then they get lynched as it is too good to be true, yet early on like this I have more to lose than to gain thus it's probably the only time it would be belivable. If at all.
Then if you don't reveal you are there's not much you can do without subtly manipulaating everyone, that will backfire as there certainly people smart enough to see through it, and the enemy would just lead the mob after them, as they'd know who the rest of the stealers are and simply target someone who figures it out and try to lead the rest after them. Thus there's only really two things to do, reveal it early on as a big gamble, like I have, or do nothing about it until you're about to die. I decided to take the less boring way
Also seeing as I'm not able to post useful information in my dieing post I guess I'd put my findings in bold and you would have to keep note of them. Make sure you do because if I get lynched I will make sure to say "I told you so".
I don't mind if you don't believe me LL, but you will in time see what I say is true.
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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch
Lord-Loss wrote:
I think Styniers rushing onto Drk_Oblit too fast, he had one post when Stynier started accusing him and It was hardly a suspicous post, only weird.
Weird can be problematic in these games, too often I find him cluttering up the thread with posts meant to mislead, or things that are just plain odd in general. I assisting Thor with putting the pressure on Drk_O while putting it out there that if others were to jump on this vote, not only would it give a clear list of suspects, but I would already have my reasons supporting my vote out there. One that I feel is logical. Even so, you'd have Thor, myself and five others too look at. I'd look at the first vote and last vote before the rest, then work over the rest as you see fit.
This is all assuming that others jump in on Drk_O,something that might not happen assuming he responds to the suspicion leveled at him. Though once more I state that losing his odd posts would not be a bad thing.
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Post by: Lord-Loss
I'd rather wait and find a suspicous person to put pressure on, then a weird person. (No offense Derek )
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Post by: shas'o vera
in my opinion, i think its the one who tries to use as much logic as possible to try and make everyone else seem guilty
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
That makes no sense. So the one whom tries to logically deduce who the genstealers are is, himself guilty?
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Post by: Gornall
Because there seems to be confusion:
===================ROLE EXPLANATIONS==================================
Imperial Citizen - just a regular voting member of the Imperium, and proud of it, (pro town)
Inquisitor - during Night Phase may target one character - is told whether target is pro town or anti town (pro town)
Imperium Sanctioned Psyker - during Night Phase may target one character - target is saved from *one* kill attempt as psychic powers drive off killers. May not self target. (pro town)
Officio Assassinorium Operative - during Night Phase may target one character - target is killed. May not self target. (pro town)
Genestealer - knows who all other Genestealers are. During Night Phase they may all communicate via PM, they get to target one character - target is killed. (anti town)
Genestealer Magus - has all the abilities of regular Genestealers. During Night Phase may also choose a separate target - target is denied use of their Night Phase ability thanks to hypnotic eyes. (anti town)
Night Lords Aspirant - Only wins if he is the last living character. Each Night Phase may target one character - target is killed (anti town)
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Directly copy and pasted from Thor's last registration thread.
As for N0t_U's request... you've been playing these games long enough to know very well that a Mod would never confirm or deny anyone's role claim...
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Post by: SagesStone
Well it's just never come up before, that's all
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Post by: Vulkan_He'stan
Vote: not_u
this is the worst possible time to say your the inquisitor
your either going to be day or night lynched
Its just so unbelivable
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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch
Actually from experience the worst possible time to do it is the day before the last day when everyone starts claiming to be the Inquisitor.
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Post by: SagesStone
But how is it as you say "just so unbelievable" for one simply to say "feth subtlety I'm an Inquisitor"?
Put it this way, would you believe me if I investigated someone and revealed that I was the Inquisitor with my findings or before I even have anything? Probably only if it went in line with your own opinion thus it would be pointless for me to waste my time commiting suicide then.
But if what you say is true then your vote is simply wasted on me. By your logic voting for me would be the same as not voting at all. Perhaps you're a Genestealer and want to avoid me possibly investigating you.
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Post by: Thor665
BrotherStynier wrote:I'd look at the first vote and last vote before the rest, then work over the rest as you see fit.
I am pretty much in agreement with everything Brother Stynier has been saying except for this particular aspect. Genestealers tend to get on wagons when and as it suits them and it can be different times depending on what the situation is. There is no evidence I have ever seen to suggest Genestealers are more or less likely to be first or last on a wagon as opposed to 3rd, 4th, or any other point. There are a few exceptions but they aren't really worth discussing at length unless we happen to come upon such a situation.
shas'o vera wrote:in my opinion, i think its the one who tries to use as much logic as possible to try and make everyone else seem guilty
Your continued dodging of my questions is noted - but at least here you're expressing an opinion which does please me.
Why do you find logical players more suspicious then illogical ones?
Whom do you think has been most logical thus far?
Are you voting for that player? If not, why not - aren't they a Genestealer in your opinion?
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Could those of you who currently aren't voting please put 1-2 more votes on both the BortherGore wagon and especially the Drk_O wagon.
Or, if you don't want to vote for them at this moment then please explain who you find more suspicious then either of them (equal levels of suspicion means you might as well vote for them as much as anyone else and thus do not count)
Don't be afraid to get votes out, votes are what will let us know where you stand and will help us find Genestealers.
I will also note that everyone "waiting for more evidence" without actually putting pressure or accusations against players is being foolish and wistful in their belief a Genestealer will shortly post a "I'm a Genestealer" post. Get active.
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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch
First and last posts are just a place to start, Im aware Genestealers are likely to jump in at any time during a vote, but having a clear order is better than going in with no plan at all.
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Post by: Thor665
Vulkan_He'stan wrote:Vote: not_u
this is the worst possible time to say your the inquisitor
your either going to be day or night lynched
Its just so unbelivable
I'm against this.
First scenario - he's a Genestealer, in which case we already have a decent idea who one of the Genestealers may or may not be. It is thus to our advantage to try and sniff out his evil partner. Even better, if we do have an actual Inquisitor in our midst we can wait till Day 2, let that Inquisitor investigate someone, and then on Day 2 have them counter claim n0t_u. At that point we have one investigation target (either clearing a townie or finding another anti-town role) plus we know one of the Inquisitors is lying so we have caught at least one Genestealer already at that point, which is pretty good for Day 1.
Second scenario - he's the Inquisitor, in which case, yes, The Genestealers are probably going to kill him dead tonight. However, if we lynch him today we are freeing them up to kill someone else who is potentially more helpful to town. Why help the Genestealers kill two targets?
There is a third case scenario of which I am uncertain on my feelings of discussing at this particular time and since I might be dead later will simply settle for saying that on Day 2 we should be looking for counter claims and no longer totally ruling out n0t_u as a lynch suspect as I feel we should today. I think your vote will do a lot more good on another target.
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Post by: Fifty
I think Shas'o Vera's statement makes him more guilty than anyone. And frankly, if we are not going to use some sort of logic, what are we going to use? Blind luck? The Force? Prayer? Frankly, I am of the opinion that the Emperor helps those who help themselves, and we'd damn well better use Logic to solve this.
Vote: shas'o vera
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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch
I agree with your current assessment that logic is what is needed to defeat our foes, but we must be wary the Genestealers can also use logic to try and twist our words making it seem as though the arguments we are using were just covers for our insidious plans.
For example LL seems intent on twisting what I have said into making me look like the enemy. Does this make me suspicious of him? Yes it does.
Should you be suspicious of him? Yes you should, but you should always be wary of me as well, for unless the Inquisitor backs me up on my claims of being loyal to the throne, I could very well be one of the creatures out to destroy you.
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Post by: Gornall
Current Vote Count:
1- Thor..................(DarkO)
0- DDRE
0- Lord-Loss
1- Mekboy..............(Lord Loss)
1- Fifty...................(Arheiner)
0- Vulkan_Hestan
0- Arheiner
2- BishopGore.........(DDRE, n0t_U)
0- Brother Stynier
2- Drk_Oblit............(Thor, Brother Stynier)
1- Shas O'vera........(Fifty)
0- Ferret
1- Not U.................(Vulkan)
With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
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Post by: Thor665
Gornall wrote:1- Shas O'vera........(Shas'O)
Isn't it Fifty who's voting for Shas'O?
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Post by: Gornall
Fixed.
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Post by: Lord-Loss
BrotherStynier wrote:For example LL seems intent on twisting what I have said into making me look like the enemy.
How?
You jumped onto Drk_Oblit after one post. It wasn't suspicous just.... odd. I don't see the point in picking on someone straight away, when you got no evidence of them being suspicous.
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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch
Your statements to the fact of me "wanting a lynch". I do think Drk_O being removed could be helpful regardless of his role, and I wanted to let you all know that I firmly believed that. But your statements could easily make me look rather scummy, more so than I would already appear by simply stating he is valuable to us dead.
He post first post was odd enough, it was evidence enough that he would fill this thread in babble that would be more harmful than good. (No offense Drk_O, sometime I find your antics amusing but after several loses I think its time the town wins one) Because I feel this way, and at least partially have the support of one other on the matter I voted. Of course it doesn't mean I want to remove him with out getting anything out of day one other than a lynch.
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Post by: Thor665
Lord-Loss wrote:I don't see the point in picking on someone straight away, when you got no evidence of them being suspicous.
This is called the random voting stage, and I believe you understand it.
As far as Stynier 'pushing too hard' on Drk_O or 'calling for an early lynch' of Drk_O. I will first off note that Drk_O only has two votes on him (though I'm still begging for 1-2 other people to vote for him already) and second off, could you please go and quote exactly where Stynier was too vicious? I do not see it at all and still don't understand where this pressure of yours is coming from. Show me the quote where Stynier crossed the line or please drop this topic as I see it currently going nowhere.
Lord-Loss, since you're at least here and responding - I've asked people to add 1-2 votes to both BishopGore and Drk_O or to explain why they feel their current vote is better. Why do you feel better about your current vote then either a Drk_O or BishopGore vote? (and if you answer with "I feel there isn't enough evidence yet" or a "I feel it's just as good" then please move you vote because if it's all equal then you might as well humor me at this stage)
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Post by: SagesStone
Thor I don't entirely agree with your scenarios there is a possible last one which is that an imposter counter claims thus fooling the rest into lynching me and saving their night kill for someone else. Like the last day phase when everyone becomes the Inquisitor for some reason.
There's also no other way to prove that I actually am without breaking the rules or simply dieing. But, I supose if people believe my first investigation and it turns out to be true that would be enough evidence, although it's simply easier said than done
At any rate I'll have those steallers confused long enough for a decent counter plan to trap them. And this will be enough for any future Inquisitors to build up tactics from as this, which is that it is probably a good thing to never reveal if you're the Inquisitor.
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Post by: Thor665
n0t_u wrote:Thor I don't entirely agree with your scenarios there is a possible last one which is that an imposter counter claims thus fooling the rest into lynching me and saving their night kill for someone else. Like the last day phase when everyone becomes the Inquisitor for some reason.
A Genestealer fake counter-claim against you on Day 2 would be something I'd be quite happy with and feel would help town. On Day 2 if someone counter claims we lynch either them or you and will catch the Genestealer either then or by Day 3 - which is good for town. That's why I said I would call for counter-claims Day 2. If a counter claim shows up Day 3 or later we lynch that person first because they'll be obv scum at that point.
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Post by: Drk_Oblitr8r
@Gornall, I unvoted Thor on Page 2
Thor665 wrote: Also, we've already got at least one more valuable information lynch to look at in the BishopGore potential lynch as well as the player who is (in my opinion) the only one who has thus far done anything that I would call an actual scumtell, and that's Drk_O.
Thor, instead of just stating your opinion, can you explain why your opinion is why it is?
BrotherStynier wrote:This is all assuming that others jump in on Drk_O,something that might not happen assuming he responds to the suspicion leveled at him. Though once more I state that losing his odd posts would not be a bad thing.
I think I tried to respond to Thor's suspicion (and, yours, by extention) on page 2 here
BrotherStynier wrote:Your statements to the fact of me "wanting a lynch". I do think Drk_O being removed could be helpful regardless of his role, and I wanted to let you all know that I firmly believed that. But your statements could easily make me look rather scummy, more so than I would already appear by simply stating he is valuable to us dead.
He post first post was odd enough, it was evidence enough that he would fill this thread in babble that would be more harmful than good. (No offense Drk_O, sometime I find your antics amusing but after several loses I think its time the town wins one) Because I feel this way, and at least partially have the support of one other on the matter I voted. Of course it doesn't mean I want to remove him with out getting anything out of day one other than a lynch.
I'd like to think a simple "Hey, cut it out" would have been ok. I never realised I was bothering or hindering anyone (as I stated before (see link))
I promise to focus alittle more, then maybe try to balance out, but that's a ways of.
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Post by: Thor665
Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:Thor665 wrote: Also, we've already got at least one more valuable information lynch to look at in the BishopGore potential lynch as well as the player who is (in my opinion) the only one who has thus far done anything that I would call an actual scumtell, and that's Drk_O.
Thor, instead of just stating your opinion, can you explain why your opinion is why it is?
Sure...though in your next post I'd like to see you actually try to offer any opinion on anyone as opposed to, once again, simply appearing helpful without any schumhunting.
I consider BishopGore a good 'information' lynch because of his relationship with Vulkan. The 'I didn't see that' thing is odd, and Bishop's defense of it was that he 'wanted information the town didn't have'. Since the purpose here is for town to catch Genestealers this is *very* scummy. Therefore I think there's a reasonable chance that BishopGore is a Genestealer and would like to see him lynched to see which way he flips. If he flips scum I would then be very suspicious of Vulkan and if he flips town he would finish clearing Vulkan as town. Also, with the way some players hopped on BG/Vulkan fairly early and quickly over this it would give me more information to assess whether they were scum or town (one of the reasons I was trying to get other players to express their opinions about BG and Vulkan)
I consider you [Drk_O] the scummiest player here because of the reasons noted up at the top of this post. You have on multiple occasions had me note that you're trying to look busy without actually doing anything to help scumhunting. You then always apologize and say you'll work harder at scumhunting...without actually *ever* doing so. This makes you an information black hole and suggests you are trying to appease me while still flying under the radar and not giving anything away - which looks very scummy to me. Also, though it's a minor point to the scum case on you, you voted me in RVS after I had voted you. This is known as OMGUS (oh my gawd, you suck) and is a minor potential scumtell because it suggests you're trying to ward people off of voting for you by showing that you'll vote for them if they do. It's not much, but paired with the previous evidence (which is a solid scum tell) it helps paint the picture more. Therefore I want you lynched because I think you are a likely Genestealer
If there's anything there you don't understand feel free to ask for clarification.
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Post by: Gornall
Current Vote Count:
0- Thor
0- DDRE
0- Lord-Loss
1- Mekboy..............(Lord Loss)
1- Fifty...................(Arheiner)
0- Vulkan_Hestan
0- Arheiner
2- BishopGore.........(DDRE, n0t_U)
0- Brother Stynier
2- Drk_Oblit............(Thor, Brother Stynier)
1- Shas O'vera........(Fifty)
0- Ferret
1- Not U.................(Vulkan)
With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
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Post by: Lord-Loss
BrotherStynier wrote:Looks as though Drk_O will be going his similar route, which means he'll probably make people go, "Is he or isn't he?"
He could tell this after one post? Maybe after two or three but I think his was just making assumptions here.
VOTE: Dark_O should he be a stealer well hey that's great, if he's not a least the suspect list is shorter.
This isn't a RVS vote and shows it's not a pressure vote either, Stynier already decided he wants to lynch Derek. If he just wanted to put pressure on Derek to make him act sensibly but he doesn't.
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Post by: Thor665
Lord-Loss wrote:BrotherStynier wrote:VOTE: Dark_O should he be a stealer well hey that's great, if he's not a least the suspect list is shorter.
This isn't a RVS vote and shows it's not a pressure vote either, Stynier already decided he wants to lynch Derek. If he just wanted to put pressure on Derek to make him act sensibly but he doesn't.
I submit the RVS part was based on him making the early claim of 'Drk_O is going to be distracting and hard to read' and that is perfectly a logical RVS to make after one post by the target. (@ LL - do you think Drk_O has proven Stynier wrong thus far? If no, then this makes sense - make an accusation on what evidence is available [one post] and maintain it if nothing changes. Do you think Stynier's prediction/accusation has been proven wrong, if not what is the issue with the RVS logic?)
As far as pressure - if a pressure vote isn't put on with a willingness to actually see the person you're pressuring be lynched, then it's not a pressure vote. I support this vote for the pressure it puts (and want 1-2 more, as I've been saying - and am frustrated that no one is responding to this, even insomuch as the decency to tell me to stuff it.)
Also, in my last post responding to you I asked you about your Mekboy vote and whether or not you would change it to Drk_O or BishopGore. I would still love that answer. I'll re-ask it;
Lord-Loss, since you're at least here and responding - I've asked people to add 1-2 votes to both BishopGore and Drk_O or to explain why they feel their current vote is better. Why do you feel better about your current vote then either a Drk_O or BishopGore vote? (and if you answer with "I feel there isn't enough evidence yet" or a "I feel it's just as good" then please move you vote because if it's all equal then you might as well humor me at this stage)
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Post by: Drk_Oblitr8r
Thor, I think you've misunderstood one thing. You heavily imply that I am doing so on purpose. Also, you seem to also have missed or ignored this post, where I did offer oppinions on Bishop and n0t_u. Even speculating that Bishop may be a NLA.
I didn't think about the whole OMGUS thing, it was a random vote though. I voted for you because I was going to vote for someone, and you jumped out at me as someone to vote for. If anything, it was that you said something about me than the vote.
I think I know what role you are, through random vibes, and something I thought about something you said. But you'll have to read my mind to figure it out. Or you could ask, but I don't want to come out and say it, and neither does the town.
Besides n0t_u and Bishop, I don't really have oppinions on anyone else, though I'm 100% sure Vulkan is a civillian, but everyone knows that. I don't really have anything new to add.
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Post by: Thor665
Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:Besides n0t_u and Bishop, I don't really have oppinions on anyone else, though I'm 100% sure Vulkan is a civillian, but everyone knows that. I don't really have anything new to add.
I guardedly agree about Vulkan, and at the very least support a Bishop lynch prior to a Vulkan lynch. I disagree with any movement to vote n0t_u during this Phase. I will note in the post you linked you expressed opinions about Stynier but have now apparently dropped thos opinions. Is this simply fear of being accused of targeting him because he's targeting you, or have you changed your attitude towards him?
Since you are not voting anyone, and you have expressed suspicion of BishopGore - is there a reason not to vote for him? Shouldn't you be at least voting one of your suspects? It's not like there's a risk of a quick lynch at this stage. The sooner we get out more votes (and hopefully get a wagon or two rolling) the sooner we will have more evidence to talk about. Everyone going quiet and not voting does not help our goal to move discussion and the Day along.
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Post by: Thor665
Oh, and because I feel I'm being too active in a desperate attempt to get all of you active I am also making a vow. I will not post again in this thread until at least three players who are not LL, Drk_O, or Brother Stynier come in and make a legitimate comment.
I would also like to see more vote consolidation - all of you who have a single vote on someone you should either defend why you are on that vote and try to get other people to vote that way, or you should consolidate onto another vote that seems more likely to be scum.
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Post by: the_ferrett
Thorr. All your hype is doing is making me feel like we should knock you off first. And I say this in the most loving way. People who make hype for discussion's sake (I must say my first time I was guilty of this) end up clouding the issue. Let people make their own decisions instead of starting an ultimatum vote choice.
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Post by: Drk_Oblitr8r
Thor665 wrote:Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:Besides n0t_u and Bishop, I don't really have oppinions on anyone else, though I'm 100% sure Vulkan is a civillian, but everyone knows that. I don't really have anything new to add.
I guardedly agree about Vulkan, and at the very least support a Bishop lynch prior to a Vulkan lynch. I disagree with any movement to vote n0t_u during this Phase. I will note in the post you linked you expressed opinions about Stynier but have now apparently dropped thos opinions. Is this simply fear of being accused of targeting him because he's targeting you, or have you changed your attitude towards him?
Since you are not voting anyone, and you have expressed suspicion of BishopGore - is there a reason not to vote for him? Shouldn't you be at least voting one of your suspects? It's not like there's a risk of a quick lynch at this stage. The sooner we get out more votes (and hopefully get a wagon or two rolling) the sooner we will have more evidence to talk about. Everyone going quiet and not voting does not help our goal to move discussion and the Day along.
I never mentioned voting for n0t_u, as I strongly beleive that he is, or at least deserves a voting free period for badassery.
I said in my post that I was pretty sure my suspicions were a knee jerk reaction I wasn't going to act on, and I didn't feel the need to hold onto them.
You're definately right that I should be voting, it more or less slipped my mind. But I'll sleep on it, as it's 1:09am, and I feel I should wait alittle longer, to avoid voting so close to someone asking me why I wasn't voting.
@the_ferrettt, I have to disagree with you about Thor, at least a little. If only one or two people are posting, there really is no issue to cloud.
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Post by: shas'o vera
damn, this may be my second game but im still a bit of a noob at this, sorry about not saying anything that helps anyone in any way.
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
I think the best course of action I could undertake is to state a list of people I find suspicious and why...
1.Vulkan, although his strange entry might just be a bit of a fumble on his part, I find it quite strange. He then voted for BishopGore, claiming that he had done so using a random name generator. I find this to be either:
A)Badly crafted excuse to try and quell fears that he and Bishop voted for each other because they are stealers.
or
B)Rather dangerous dis-interest in what is going on. While this dis-interest might not be overly scummy it hampers us in many a way. As if all of us aren't committed to putting time and effort into finding the genestealers, they will surely succeed in their attempts to secure victory.
2.BishopGore, his early,"I'll pretend I didn't see that." Comment along with him then claiming that he pretended as such because he wanted to keep the information to himself, are highly suspect.
3.Shaso, simply because I can't get a read off him. His coments are few and far between and when they are added, add nothing to conversation as such(not so far atleast).
Sorry if this is one of those,"talk a lot say nothing," posts. I just felt I had to attempt to keep conversation going.
Gornall, have you prodded Mekboy yet?
Edited to fix spelling.
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Post by: Fifty
I just got the impression that BishopGore was trying to play within the rules and figure things out the way it is intended, not that he was attempting to give up an advantage.
I do not see that post by BishopGore as being scummy. Nothing else he has done has jumped out at me.
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
For the most part he is at the bottom of my suspect list(the above list was done in no particular order). I was merely hoping to entice some sort of reaction from him, as he still hasn't answered me as to who he finds suspicious.
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Post by: Thor665
the_ferrett wrote:Thorr. All your hype is doing is making me feel like we should knock you off first. And I say this in the most loving way. People who make hype for discussion's sake (I must say my first time I was guilty of this) end up clouding the issue. Let people make their own decisions instead of starting an ultimatum vote choice.
I have requested people to either defend their vote or shift their vote and have included where I feel those votes would be best used. This more then leaves the door open enough for them to come to their own conclusion if they want to defend their vote. I'll also add, you were guilty your first time because you claimed you had a plan when you did not - you were not under suspicion for being too active. Also, being too active is not a scum tell unless you can attach some other guilt to it (also look at the other two Genestealer games I've played on this site - one I was town and one I was scum and I was highly active in both).
Voting a single person, having no one else vote that person, and then remaining quiet DOES NOT HELP. If you disagree, then show me how it does or show me where I'm trying to prevent people from expressing their own opinions.
shas'o vera wrote:damn, this may be my second game but im still a bit of a noob at this, sorry about not saying anything that helps anyone in any way.
I have offered up possible avenues for people who do not have clear ideas of how to help. If you're at a total loss on how to help find scum you should at least be willing to guess at who you think might be town and then follow their lead. At the very absolute least you ought to be trying to offer some of your opinions on how people are acting - we've had this conversation before.
Fifty wrote:I do not see that post by BishopGore as being scummy. Nothing else he has done has jumped out at me.
I'll agree with you as far as he hasn't done anything else scummy besides that Vulkan oddity - but even BishopGore agrees his actions right then were potentially scummy. It might be he was just focused on 'playing within the rules' but he specifically stated this wasn't the case and claimed he was excited to perhaps have information the rest of the town did not. You're defending him by making up concepts he himself has denied and that's really odd. Explanation?
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Post by: Gornall
Mekboy has been notified and if I don't hear from him today or before noon tomorrow, he's gone.
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Post by: Fifty
BishopGore wrote:Heh, yeah, that was a stupid thing to say. I can't talk about other games, so it's possibly because at some point he was in a situation where he's about to be lynched and I didn't want him modkilled in this one too.
What are you talking about - he was trying to avoid the guy getting modkilled. That is pretty much what I was saying - by saying he hadn't seen anything, he hoped to allow modkill to be avoided.
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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch
@Drk_O much of what Thor has said regarding your actions is pretty much how I feel.
On the matter of you not doing your talk a lot and say nothing consciously, I have a hard time believing that. You've done this every game you have been in so far.
How ever, looking back I do feel that Bishop and Vulkan have been acting strange and that it may be worth prioritizing one of them and then coming back to Drk_O at a later time, perhaps day two should Bishop or Vulkan role over as a loyalist.
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Post by: BishopGore
So Thor wants me to die in a bid for information. Fair enough.
DDRE, I can't remember if I replied here yet, I'm feeling very bowled over so far by the sheer force and aggression of the logic flying around. I have strong skills in logic when faced with a logical framework (I'm a computer programmer), but outside of that my mind is far too free roaming to settle and home in on something with such force. It's really unnerving.
I can see the_ferrett's point of Thor being a little overbearing, but he stated he would be and it seems more like I'm lashing out at my main attacker.
If there were 3 stealers in this game I would say n0t_u is one of them, as it is safe for them to gamble one of their number on such a crazy claim with the hope of drawing out the real inquisitor, but with only 2 (as Gornall has said) the risk would be way too high, so I reckon n0t_u has to be a pro-towner.
Vulkan and Shas are acting as towners with no reason to enjoy the game, so I don't see either of them as suspects.
I have no clue about Drk, as he's not someone I've really interacted with yet.
Hope this helps a little.
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Post by: Drk_Oblitr8r
BishopGore wrote:I have no clue about Drk, as he's not someone I've really interacted with yet.
Why is that? You're my number one suspect? I used a whole paragraph speculating that you're either a Genestealer or a NLA, and I still stand by some of it.
vote:BishopGore
So lets force interaction
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Post by: the_ferrett
Vote: Thor
Because his guidance, if just guidance is a little overbearing, and if he's a genestealer he's got control over who's lynched.
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Post by: Thor665
Fifty wrote:What are you talking about - he was trying to avoid the guy getting modkilled. That is pretty much what I was saying - by saying he hadn't seen anything, he hoped to allow modkill to be avoided.
And if you'd kept reading where I was pressuring BishopGore on his choice you would have found this (em);
That's what I'm talking about and that's why I'm questioning your read there.
BishopGore wrote:So Thor wants me to die in a bid for information. Fair enough.
I will note, I consider you my 2nd to 3rd suspect. I feel Drk_O is a superior lynch because he's actually done something scummy. You *may* have done something scummy, but your lynch has some advantages on a pure informational scale to Drk_O's (at least at the moment)
I can see the_ferrett's point of Thor being a little overbearing, but he stated he would be and it seems more like I'm lashing out at my main attacker.
You can lash out at your main attacker though personally I would presume for you it would be one of the people voting for you as opposed to me, again, I have listed you as a secondary reasonable lynch candidate and also a wagon I want to see more voters on, I have not said I believe you are scummy, though I do believe you have done some scummy things (if you can follow that logic). I certainly wouldn't find you attacking me at this stage inherently scummy, though I'll probably have an axe to grind with you if you use ferret's logic as a basis; as I find it terrible. But don't be afraid to call someone out if you find them scummy even if they are attacking you - after all, if they're scum they're attacking you for bad reasons anyway and need to be caught/stopped.
I am also a touch overbearing (I prefer to think of it as pleasantly insightful, fyi) because as probably one of the more experienced players on this site I feel it is helpful for me to be loud about my methods and allow other players to see how I work them (so we can have less players like shas'o who are struggling with even *how* to scumhunt, much less doing it well). I do not claim my methods are perfect, but they do work for me, and the message about posting analysis of player's and actions (however you form that analysis) is indeed a universally agreed upon aspect of Mafia strategy - and might be about the only one at that. To catch scum you need information about how other players feel towards each other - ergo, you need analysis conversation. I support many different varieties of scumhunting as long as scumhunting is actually happening. I do not support silence and "waiting for a mistake" as that is known as lurking and is only a really solid strategy for scum to use, thus town shouldn't.
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Post by: Thor665
the_ferrett wrote:Because his guidance, if just guidance is a little overbearing, and if he's a genestealer he's got control over who's lynched.
I've only got 'control' if the rest of the town sits there in odd silence waiting for me to declare who they should scumhunt on. I am in absolute favor for more people to scumhunt more. Is there more to your accusation then that I am actively working for a lynch (which we do need to do) and most everyone else is being relatively quiet (which I am arguing loudly against)?
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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch
I am satisfied with where my vote currently sits.
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Post by: Gornall
Current Vote Count:
1- Thor..................(Ferret)
0- DDRE
0- Lord-Loss
1- Mekboy..............(Lord Loss)
1- Fifty...................(Arheiner)
0- Vulkan_Hestan
0- Arheiner
3- BishopGore.........(DDRE, n0t_U, Dark_O)
0- Brother Stynier
2- Drk_Oblit............(Thor, Brother Stynier)
1- Shas O'vera........(Fifty)
0- Ferret
1- Not U.................(Vulkan)
With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
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Post by: SagesStone
Thor665 wrote:A Genestealer fake counter-claim against you on Day 2 would be something I'd be quite happy with and feel would help town. On Day 2 if someone counter claims we lynch either them or you and will catch the Genestealer either then or by Day 3 - which is good for town. That's why I said I would call for counter-claims Day 2. If a counter claim shows up Day 3 or later we lynch that person first because they'll be obv scum at that point.
Well then I guess I will be the least useless Inquisitor I've seen
As long as there's a Psyker around to allow me to do at least one investigation though.
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Post by: Fifty
Okay, I guess what Bishop Gore said there was potentially scummy. If he liked "being the only one" as a player of the game, it is definitely a scumtell. If he liked it as a real-world person, it just makes him a poor player... Either way, it doesn't look good.
The genestealers only get to talk during the Night Phase, so they won't have been able to discuss their tactics yet anyway. (Unless they have not read the first post thoroughly... *sigh*)
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Post by: Fifty
(Sorry, the first paragraph there was aimed mainly at Thor.
The second was aimed at Bishop Gore)
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Post by: Gornall
====================================
Mekboy has died from dysentery!!!
He was a GENESTEALER  !!!!
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As a Mod, I said up front that I would not be replacing anyone, simply because it's too confusing to keep track of the multiple personalities. However, because Mekboy is a genestealer, losing him to a modkill on Day 1 would put undue hardship on the remaining baddy. To combat this, I bent my own rule and have randomly promoted a non-power-role townie to a genestealer. This former townie is NOW working as a genestealer and will win/lose based on the genestealer win conditions. I know this is kinda unfair to the town, but I figured you guys could use a challenge.
This deal will NOT occur again. If anyone else flakes out, then that's just how the cookie crumbles.
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Post by: Thor665
Well that's certainly interesting. It changes my potential reads of both Lord_loss and Vulkan at the very least. I will also note that we are almost halfway through our allotted time and are nowhere near close to even having a probable lynch, much less two or three to choose from and discuss. This just seems a bad plan, as we don't want to have to be scrambling around trying to get a lynch in the last few (real life) days.
PLEASE RE-READ THE RULES - we need to lynch someone via votes, we *cannot* lynch via deadline.
Everyone who is voting for nobody - vote for somebody (I personally believe nobody is lurking quite a bit, but I still don't think he's a Genestealer)
Everyone who is on a vote wagon that only they are voting for - tell us why we should vote that person or change your vote to someone you think is actually scummy for something. You do us no favors by sitting silently on a single vote wagon. Get it rolling or get off.
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Post by: BishopGore
Ok, I'll come off the non-voting fence.
Vote: the_ferrett
His last few posts have been an attempt to turn people against the loud voice of logic in our midst. Thor is almost single handedly keeping this thread turning (be it ever so slowly) and I feel those attacks are contrary to our current need, whether Thor is a genestealer or not.
I apologise to the group for thinking about wanting the information for myself. It may have been a bad player decision, but I stand by it, I wanted Vulkan to stay alive despite his 'slip' (whether real or fake). One thing I will say, Vulkan changed his comment BEFORE I posted my first response, so I feel this is a high claim for his innocence. Why would have have attempted to hide the posts if he wasn't sure anyone had seen it, unless he is honestly a townie? Of course this might be seen as further collaboration between Vulkan and myself, which will only be revealed as false if I die and you all find out I'm just a nobody Imperial citizen.
I'm honestly not getting a read off of anybody at the moment, with Thor being loud and most other people just making short posts.
Drk_Oblit, how is voting for me with a one line post going to force interaction? What more can I say here? I've posted long and full posts, with I think plenty of information in them each time. What more can I say that will have you feeling like we've interacted unless you give me something to respond to?
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Post by: Lord-Loss
I kept on forgetting to comment on Bishop Thor.
I agree that Bishop is suspicous.. Probally the most suspicous (so far) out of everyone whose commented. But I don't think there's enough to go on for a lynch.
Bishop, what do you think about Brother Stynier and his accusation of Drk_Oblit?
(I didn't realise that time had gone so fast.)
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Post by: BishopGore
I'm not sure about Stynier. He's got some kind of bee in his bonnet about Drk_O which doesn't seem entirely rooted in this game, more like a vengeance thing from someplace else. He also made an odd comment about the Inquisitor on page 3. I'd see him as someone to be watched probably.
We also have to rethink our stances somewhat with a new Genestealer in the mix, possibly someone who's been disinterested up until now. So I will have to wait and see if Vulkan changes before I decide he's definitely clean now. Toes must be stayed upon.
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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch
I've never lost to Drk_O, so its not vengeance. Its that I'd rather avoid repeats of his nonsense posts.
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Post by: Arheiner
Hmmm, this makes things interesting, though if we spot personality changes early then this new Genestealer should be findable.
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Post by: Drk_Oblitr8r
Lord-Loss wrote:(I didn't realise that time had gone so fast.)
It's only been 4 days
BishopGore wrote:Drk_Oblit, how is voting for me with a one line post going to force interaction? What more can I say here? I've posted long and full posts, with I think plenty of information in them each time. What more can I say that will have you feeling like we've interacted unless you give me something to respond to?
You didn't respond to my accusations. But then I realised why when I looked at them. The correct response would have been "What accusations?" It was complete speculation loosely attached to you.
Unvote:BishopGore because I never really had a reason to in the first place.
Now I'm not sure what I should do...
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Post by: Thor665
Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:It's only been 4 days
4 Days (we're in Day 5 by my accounting - we started Sunday) of a two week countdown that contains 2 more weekends 9Deadline is a Sunday, the 18th) which we both know will contain little to no talking if history has taught us anything. And yet here we sit barely able to even get someone to 4 votes, much less the needed 7 to lynch, much less getting two people to 4-5 votes so that we actually have a choice of whom to lynch and can see people express their preferences. I don't want to have to try to interpret scummy behavior as people are forced to rush in and "vote to ensure a lynch" which will allow them to hide their motives much easier.
Now I'm not sure what I should do...
Look at the other players, assess which one of them is most scummy and then vote for that person. I also support you saying why you find them most scummy. I've been saying this for a while now.
Arheiner wrote:Hmmm, this makes things interesting, though if we spot personality changes early then this new Genestealer should be findable.
I examined this post very carefully and read it with some bifocals on because everyone is smarter when they wear bifocles. Interestingly enough I was able to find no scumhunting within this post, and it also simply restated what some other posters had already noted.
@ARHEINER - If I've said it once I've said it, I dunno, maybe five to six times now, please either try to explain why the person you're voting for is scummy (It's Fifty in case you've forgotten), or unvote and vote for who you think is most scummy. You are not helping us by not giving your opinion on the actions and players in this thread.
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Post by: Gornall
The deadline will be 1800 EST on Monday, April 19th. Sunday afternoon was basically a freebie.
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Post by: Drk_Oblitr8r
After collecting my thoughts, I have decided to Vote:Vulkan
Vulkan has been contributing the least to the discussion, with only 4 posts, most of which need to be questioned for them to make sense.
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
This mixes things up a bit, alas Mekboy I knew ye well.
I was firstly going to move my vote to join those currently voting for Drk_O. However, he seems to be acting rational for the moment. I to would have gone after him because of previous game experiences with his style of play.
Yet, if time progress and we need a lynch by the end of day 1 that might just been an option.
Instead, I will now add my voice to his so Unvote:BishopGore and Vote: Vulkan. Even if he isn't a genestealer, he shows a dangerous disinterest in the game, which I feel will hamper our investigation as it moves on.
Sorry about the two edits, I stated something twice and had to edit it out.
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Post by: SagesStone
Now I can't change my vote from whoever it is on currently to Vulkan for a little while without it looking scummy *sadface*
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Post by: Thor665
n0t_u wrote:Now I can't change my vote from whoever it is on currently to Vulkan for a little while without it looking scummy *sadface*
Why are you so worried about 'looking scummy' if you're the Inquisitor?
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Post by: Gornall
Current Vote Count:
1- Thor..................(Ferret)
0- DDRE
0- Lord-Loss
1- Fifty...................(Arheiner)
2- Vulkan_Hestan....(Dark_O, DDRE)
0- Arheiner
1- BishopGore.........(n0t_U)
0- Brother Stynier
2- Drk_Oblit............(Thor, Brother Stynier)
1- Shas O'vera........(Fifty)
1- Ferret.................(Bishop Gore)
1- Not U.................(Vulkan)
With 12 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
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Post by: SagesStone
Thor665 wrote:n0t_u wrote:Now I can't change my vote from whoever it is on currently to Vulkan for a little while without it looking scummy *sadface*
Why are you so worried about 'looking scummy' if you're the Inquisitor?
Simple, I can claim to be the Inquisitor all I like but they still need to believe it. Looking scummy simply gives them more reasons to doubt me.
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Post by: Drk_Oblitr8r
n0t_u wrote:Thor665 wrote:n0t_u wrote:Now I can't change my vote from whoever it is on currently to Vulkan for a little while without it looking scummy *sadface*
Why are you so worried about 'looking scummy' if you're the Inquisitor?
Simple, I can claim to be the Inquisitor all I like but they still need to believe it. Looking scummy simply gives them more reasons to doubt me.
Yet, doing something to avoid looking scummy, is scummy, isn't it?
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Post by: SagesStone
No, it's not quite that simple. Plus I wasn't doing something to avoid looking scummy I was avoiding doing the very thing that would look scummy which was bandwagoning. I came back to the game today after thinking it through and decided to vote for Vulkan, yet there were a few people before me and if I did it would appear to be bandwagoning, as there would be three in a row.
Thus I simply did a filler post to try to avoid the headache of trying to convince everyone that I wasn't simply jumping on the bandwagon >_>
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Post by: shas'o vera
n0t_u wrote:No, it's not quite that simple. Plus I wasn't doing something to avoid looking scummy I was avoiding doing the very thing that would look scummy which was bandwagoning. I came back to the game today after thinking it through and decided to vote for Vulkan, yet there were a few people before me and if I did it would appear to be bandwagoning, as there would be three in a row.
Thus I simply did a filler post to try to avoid the headache of trying to convince everyone that I wasn't simply jumping on the bandwagon >_>
ah, you decided to stop bandwagoning to avoid looking scummy? in my opinion, this seems like your just trying apease the one's who think that bandwagoning is scummy, but if you tried bandwagoning with those who thought you scummy, then maybe they would give a slightly different opinion of you wouldn't they?
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Post by: SagesStone
Maybe, but being one that sees bandwagoning as scummy it would be a hypocritical move for me
As I've clearly demonstrated in this game, I'm not really looking to be subtle.
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Post by: shas'o vera
n0t_u wrote:Maybe, but being one that sees bandwagoning as scummy it would be a hypocritical move for me
As I've clearly demonstrated in this game, I'm not really looking to be subtle.[/quote
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Post by: SagesStone
?
EDIT: At the time of this post the above post it is targeting is just a quote of my post above it with nothing added.
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Post by: shas'o vera
yeah, it failed, i know.
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
Do you care to explain why you simply just copied Not_U's quote without adding anything(or at least what you were going to respond to it)?
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Post by: shas'o vera
well, what happened was that i was going to comment on his quote, forgot what i as going to say and on top of that my computer crashed halfway through, so what you see was the result of a bad head and a rubbish computer
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
I see. So, trying to prompt you to perhaps place a vote, whom do you deem suspicious and for what reasons?
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Post by: shas'o vera
well, as you all can tell im kind of inexperienced at this sort of thing, so i'm not entirely sure who to vote for now, everyone seems to be using logic to stop people voting for them, in my opinion, they all seem scummy to me
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Post by: Thor665
shas'o vera wrote:well, as you all can tell im kind of inexperienced at this sort of thing, so i'm not entirely sure who to vote for now, everyone seems to be using logic to stop people voting for them, in my opinion, they all seem scummy to me
How to vote when you don't know what to do - a Guide in 4 Easy Steps
1. If everyone seems equally scummy to you then you can safely vote for any of them.
2. If you admit you are inexperienced and unsure how to scumhunt then your best bet is to help those who appear to be scumhunting - pick someone and follow their play (say why you find them the best scumhunter though).
3. If you can't tell whose scumhunting is best then you might as well go with a person who more then one player suspects as hopefully they are all onto something - pick a player with the most or second most votes and vote them (say this is what you are doing - and be willing to lynch whoever you're voting for).
4. If you can't do that, then let me know so I can vote for you, because clearly you'll be as good a vote as any other at this stage.
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Post by: shas'o vera
hmm, well, i was thinking of not casting my vote untill the second dayphase but i guess your plan works as well.
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Post by: Fifty
So go on then, do it.
I was about to change my vote to Drk_O or Vulkan, but hell, maybe I'll leave it on you for another day or two and see if you figure out how to vote.
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Post by: Thor665
Fifty's post is an example good post because he just justified his vote.
I will agree that I now support a shas'o lynch on the general principal of that; if he's town he's non-helpful town and also I definitely don't want him around at the endgame as he'll probably look fairly scummy since lack of voting and lack of opinions means he's trying to avoid giving us anything to read him by.
I'm not sure about the Vulkan wagon I see forming, as I legitimately feel he was town (though that may have now changed with that random promotion Gornall handed out) is there any case anyone has other then his lurking? shas'o has also been lurking (via lack of content rather then lack of posts) and actually I feel Arheiner is about equal with both of them in that regard as well.
I will say I am more content with the Vulkan vote over a BishopGore vote now, as BG has at least been working hard and if he is scum he'll be easier to read later.
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Post by: BishopGore
After that half page of back and forth rambling instigated by Shas'O I'm not really feeling like he's going to be adding much. As in other threads he seems to be filling up space to hear himself talk. This is not a good choice of play style in the game, though it is marginally better than not posting at all.
I'm joining with the others (DDRE, Fifty and Thor), Shas'O, make a vote of some kind. Lay out your ideas in at least a vague form and be prepared to put your money where your mouth is. Don't sit on the fence.
I'm going to keep my vote on the_ferrett for now as I don't think he's even spoken since my vote, but I'm going to put my vote into a Shas'O lynch if he can't explain himself (especially since he suddenly started posting plenty after the revelation of a pro-town being turned to the dark side).
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
Well, apart from Vulkan lurking, I must present old evidence as a justification for the vote. Much like I feel Stynier voted for Drk_O because of what happened last game, so to am I voting for Vulkan because of past experience. So far he has exhibited much the same play style as he did last game, darting in, infrequently, to post nothing of real value and lay down an ill explained vote before disappearing for a page or two. I find it slightly scummy, perhaps not Genestealer scummy(more in line with NLA scummy). Yet, I wouldn't like him kept around just because he is in the back of everyone's mind. He doesn't as such help play, nor even really share his opinions as Shas'O is trying to do. He just seems to be here, a rather easy target come end game for the stealers and perhaps easy to manipulate as last game he generally followed the common vote.
I would otherwise go for Drk_O, however he seems to be doing things in a now logical way or Shaso'O whom at least is attempting to do something. Perhaps I would have even voted Arheiner, yet I can't get a proper read off him. So I'll stick with my current vote until something(or someone)does something to change my opinion(It would take something rather extremely scummy though).
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Post by: Mekboy
Ever so sorry I haven't been posting, my internets screwed up majorly and I haven't been able to get online. Tonight I'll read through this thread and put in some meaningful posts.
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Post by: BishopGore
Mekboy wrote:Ever so sorry I haven't been posting, my internets screwed up majorly and I haven't been able to get online. Tonight I'll read through this thread and put in some meaningful posts.
Sorry man, you were modkilled for inactivity.
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Post by: Vulkan_He'stan
vote: shas'o
as at the moment he is the only one I can find suspicious
After the pro town switch he has been very active,
compared to before.
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Post by: Mekboy
Damn, and my first game as a non-citizen. Accursed internets!  P.S. Viva la Hivemind!
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Post by: the_ferrett
*rubs eyes and rolls over* Apologies for silence. Thor still seems overbearing to me. Bishop still seems a pain in the ass for voting for me although I have no logical rebuttal, I was at a low net LAN last night and now I'm going to sleep, sorry.
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Post by: SagesStone
OOC: 3 way capped 64kbps net ftl atm >_>
roughly 16.67kbps because the net is connected to a wireless hub. My point is if I can do it anyone can
IC:
UNVOTE: THAT GUY I VOTED FOR BUT FORGOT HIS NAME
Yep Ferret that's basically how it goes.
As for my vote I've looked over it a bit and I guess I will
VOTE: VULKAN
(easier to see, huh?)
Because we're still in Day Phase One (right?).
He's basically lurking. Also he finally shows up doesn't answer any questions presented to him and changes his vote with little more than two lines to go with it. Protown switch? What?
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Post by: Lord-Loss
I think we should stop the votes for Vulkan and wait for him to explain himself, or play a more active role.
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Post by: Thor665
the_ferrett wrote:*rubs eyes and rolls over* Apologies for silence. Thor still seems overbearing to me.
I see that you are very much against my style of actually explaining the logic of your vote - but to my mind that doesn't make me the most scummy one here. Way to dodge my question.
@Lord-Loss - I agree with you in the most general sense, but will note that waiting for Vulkan to actually make a comment is what got him in this situation to begin with. Out of curiosity; how long do you feel is appropriate to allow him to 'have time' to respond? I'll point out that I believe we have a fairly solid lynch option between shas'o and Vulkan. With the way they are attacking each other and for what only one of them is likely to be a Genestealer - so if we lynch one and get scum we're pretty safe in knowing the other is innocent. Other then that I'm more lukewarm towards the entire case (though apparently cannot convince anyone of how scummy I believe Drk_O is and how he needs some more votes.)
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Post by: the_ferrett
I think noone gets eliminated unless we get a majority vote.
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Post by: the_ferrett
*squints at Thorr* What was the question again?
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Post by: Thor665
Thor665 wrote:I've only got 'control' if the rest of the town sits there in odd silence waiting for me to declare who they should scumhunt on. I am in absolute favor for more people to scumhunt more. Is there more to your accusation then that I am actively working for a lynch (which we do need to do) and most everyone else is being relatively quiet (which I am arguing loudly against)?
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Post by: the_ferrett
Short answer: Nope
Long answer: No and I'll forget the question before the morning. *smiles tiredly* That said, people do need to talk more and c ould possibly feel threatened with your "choose my way or appear scummy" logic.
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Post by: Thor665
If you agree that people need to talk more and you agree that my style puts pressure on people to talk more or appear scummy then why do you think my method makes me appear scummy?
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Post by: the_ferrett
No, I'm saying your method scares people into chosing your method or becoming potential *blah word meaning guilty*.
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Post by: Thor665
Do you think people who stay silent should not be suspected of being Genestealers?
If you think they should - what's wrong with my methods?
If you think they shouldn't - why not?
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Post by: Vulkan_He'stan
What questions have been asked at me???
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Post by: Gornall
Current Vote Count:
1- Thor..................(Ferret)
0- DDRE
0- Lord-Loss
1- Fifty...................(Arheiner)
3- Vulkan_Hestan....(Dark_O, DDRE, Not_U)
0- Arheiner
0- BishopGore....
0- Brother Stynier
2- Drk_Oblit............(Thor, Brother Stynier)
1- Shas O'vera........(Fifty)
1- Ferret.................(Bishop Gore)
1- Not U.................(Vulkan)
With 12 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
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Post by: BishopGore
the_ferrett seems to have joined Shas'O and Vulkan in rambling randomly.
I'm now feeling like putting my vote back on Vulkan. If he can't be bothered to actually read back through a few pages of notes to discuss his innocence or guilt then he should be thrown out. However I don't know if lynching him for being an idiot will help the town.
Unvote: the_ferrett
VOTE: VULKAN
the_ferrett is not working out ways to discuss things rationally, he's adding his rambling lack-of-content posts to the thread, same as Shas'O. But at least they read rather than just asking over and over to be told what to say. Sorry Vulkan, I no longer know that you're innocent, so I feel you should be lynched today.
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Post by: Lord-Loss
Vote: The_Ferret
A pressure vote on Ferret to stop his rambling.
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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch
Ferret does seem to be doing a lot of that talking and saying nothing I hit Drk_O so hard over. Perhaps it would be wise to hit Ferret over it as well, he did a lot of this the last time as well.
For now I will, UNVOTE: Drk_O and VOTE:The_Ferret. Know Drk_O that this doesn't mean I'm done with you yet, only that I am assisting in getting another to try and actually say something when he talks.
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Post by: Vulkan_He'stan
well ive read the last day pages and dcan't find any questions aimed at me
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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch
Most of the questions you avoided were asked much earlier in the thread.
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Post by: Vulkan_He'stan
I still find no questions??
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Post by: Lord-Loss
We want you to play an active role in the Game, whats your opinion on Bishop, Drk_Oblit and The_Ferret?
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Post by: Thor665
@Lord-Loss - good posting
@Vulkan - the general gist of people's issues with you is your lack of expressed opinions. Responding to LL's question would be a good idea of where to start.
@BishopGore - There are certain strategic advantages to lynching certain players early, not so much for being idiots but for acting in a way that is non-conducive to town winning. That said, if you happen to find anyone scummy I would certainly advocate voting for them over someone who is just not providing much content (if you find the lack of content providing guy otherwise less scummy then someone else).
That's why I'm pulling for Drk_O over Vulkan, shas, or ferret because I actually feel like Drk_O has been specifically trying to duck being assertive and opinionated and he has never had a problem with that in the past.
I (unfortunately) consider both ferret and Vulkan's actions to be in line with the way they play when they are town (though I'll admit Vulkan feels a touch extra lurky, but that's a hard value call). I've never played with shas before, but my current read is of a townie who isn't sure how to help. If he can follow the 4 point advice thing I gave him earlier or come up with his own system I'll have less issues with him. So to sum up;
I support a Drk_O lynch most of all.
I'm acceptable to the idea of lynching Vulkan especially since BG is in support of it because it's a not bad information lynch and Vulkan has been pretty lurky thus far so is an acceptable policy lynch for me.
I've changed my mind on BG, if he's scum he's playing it pretty smartly and at the moment looks overall townish, so I don't support a lynch there anymore.
At the moment I'm against the ferret and shas'o wagons as my current read is that they are playing to their usual play style.
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Post by: the_ferrett
Answering Thor. Yes, people who say nothing look guilty, but your previous method (Which is now moot due to my 'ramblings') relied too much on you highlighting people's weaknesses for everyone to see. I was stating that I prefered a more pack mentality to a president and congress type system, especially as we require 7 (6?) votes this time.
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Post by: the_ferrett
Ammendment: My play style is to tell the truth no matter how disjointed or out of it I may feel at the time. My play style also kinda sucks at self-defense, as I try to work on proof, and just as there is very little proof to find a lynch, there is less to proove anyone innocent.
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Post by: Gornall
Current Vote Count:
1- Thor..................(Ferret)
0- DDRE
0- Lord-Loss
1- Fifty...................(Arheiner)
4- Vulkan_Hestan....(Dark_O, DDRE, Not_U, BishopGore)
0- Arheiner
0- BishopGore
0- Brother Stynier
1- Drk_Oblit............(Thor)
1- Shas O'vera........(Fifty)
2- Ferret.................(Lord Loss, Brother Stynier)
1- Not U.................(Vulkan)
With 12 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch
Thor665 wrote:
At the moment I'm against the ferret and shas'o wagons as my current read is that they are playing to their usual play style.
But one of your primary reasons for going after Drk_O is his usual play style. Why do you find it acceptable for Ferret to continue along with his ways, but not Drk_O? They both have a similar manner of operating.
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Post by: the_ferrett
Mr Stiener, What would you ask of me such that I conform with your ways of how it should be done? Hm?
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Post by: Drk_Oblitr8r
Vulkan_He'stan wrote:vote: shas'o
as at the moment he is the only one I can find suspicious
After the pro town switch he has been very active,
compared to before.
Vulkan, do you know how else has gotten more active since the switch?
Your posts have doubled since the switch (More than 5 pages posts in 2 pages).
So by that logic, You yourself are suspicious, at least to yourself.
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Post by: Thor665
the_ferrett wrote:but your previous method (Which is now moot due to my 'ramblings') relied too much on you highlighting people's weaknesses for everyone to see
...this is called scumhunting. We *should* be pointing out weaknesses and inconsistencies in others. That's how you find scum and prevent bad town play.
I was stating that I prefered a more pack mentality to a president and congress type system
For us to avoid a "president" (which I strongly agree we should try to avoid, by the by) is for other people to start scumhunting and not letting me control the conversation by dint of being the only person talking. Again, this is something I've been supporting since the beginning which is why I've been pointing out when people are not scum hunting and demanding that they offer commentary and opinions.
Why are you voting for me again? I'd like to hear your reasons re-stated. Also, after me, whom do you find the next most scummy and why?
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Post by: Thor665
BrotherStynier wrote:But one of your primary reasons for going after Drk_O is his usual play style. Why do you find it acceptable for Ferret to continue along with his ways, but not Drk_O? They both have a similar manner of operating.
To clarify one of my initial reasons for going after him was playstyle.
My initial random quote cited his playstyle as one I found personally hard to read. I have since then pointed out his specific act of dodging giving his opinion when he is more then experienced and intelligent enough to understand the reason to give opinions. I feel that action is specifically scummy and that is my primary reason for voting for him at the moment. I'm also not sure how I feel about how Drk_O ended up on the Vulkan wagon. It's possible he just suddenly got fed up with Vulkan's quietness but it's also possible he smelled an easy to push wagon. It also reminds me a bit of Genestealer 3 where Drk_O was scum, spouted nothing, and then when he got closer to a lynch suddenly became much more helpful and started scumhunting.
Overall the single scumtell is about the best evidence I've seen today and is why I'm still voting Drk_O. If shas or ferret had actually committed something I considered a scumtell I'd be much more content with their wagons. Do you think I'm missing something there?
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Post by: the_ferrett
You know what? Stuff it.
Unvote: Thorr
My second most guilty would be not_u. This is his least active game yet and for no particularly valid reason that's ben stated. Not that he doesn't have one, just that we haven't been informed.
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Post by: SagesStone
Well I had a big 5 paragraph, going through my suspicions of everyone, post ready to go but the computer crashed so instead icbf typing it up again >_>
The reason I'm less active is that my net is capped and I have to use a netbook because my PC died, that leads to me being able to type faster than the letters appear on screen a fair bit
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Post by: the_ferrett
And now we are informed and I am completely without someone to suspect. I suppose I could always jump on a bandwagon and vote myself.
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Post by: Thor665
the_ferrett wrote:And now we are informed and I am completely without someone to suspect. I suppose I could always jump on a bandwagon and vote myself.
If you are a townie then this is a dumb idea, because town should never knowingly vote for town. Pick a bandwagon that isn't you because then it might be scum.
Quite frankly, if you did suspect n0t_u I'm surprised his single post there convinced you not to. He could be lying, yes? It's the same with how you unvoted me - you suspected me of...something(?)....but as soon as I got even slightly standoffish about it all of a sudden your suspicion seemingly went away in a flash. Again, I could be lying about stuff and in my case you ought to be willing (capable) of saying why you suspect me. Right at the moment you are looking very much like either bumbling and confused town or uncertain scum who is trying to find a way out of the spotlight he currently finds himself in.
Check back a few pages; I have provided a 4 step process for uncertain town.
Use it.
Do not ever self-vote.
IMHO, doing otherwise cannot help town.
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Post by: the_ferrett
I was making a joke due to the other bandwagon being just as flimsy to vote for. I unvoted you because not only was voting for you flimsy (although it was all I had) but it was becoming unpopular to the detriment of my survival. Sure, the goal is for town to survive, but self preservation is a pretty nice thing.
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Post by: Fifty
I am torn between voing for Drk_0 and Shas'o vera at the moment. If Shas would just do something to justify me switching, I might switch, but right now it seems like Shas is just hiding without saying much and hoping that my one vote doesn't snowball into a lynch. I honestly think a few more votes on Shas and we would see him look very different.
Vulkan, it is very hard to say. I don't get a good vibe from him, but he is not as high up there as Drk_0 and Shas, for my money.
I'd encourage more people to vote for Shas, but if that is not happening near the deadline, I will switch to Drk_O.
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Post by: Vulkan_He'stan
well Bishop im getting a townie read, to be honest I see why he voted me
the ferett is a bit suspicios no real reson just a feel
and dark o i dont find suspisious as he is playing different from when he was bad ie he makes sense
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Post by: Fifty
Vulkan, I know you were asked about those people in particular, but could you not give us a bit more thought about each of them, and maybe volunteer some thoughts on some other people.
For example, do you feel Thor has been the same since the switch? Maybe he is now a 'stealer? Maybe he was a 'stealer all along. Personally, I think Thor has avoided any suspicion by taking a lead, but that does not make him a 'stealer either... I certainly woudn't say he is an innocent, but he is not at the top of my list yet.
What about Brother Stynier and Arheiner? Why not have a look back through their posting history and feed back to everyone on what you find.
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
Vulkan_He'stan wrote:well Bishop im getting a townie read, to be honest I see why he voted me
the ferett is a bit suspicios no real reson just a feel
and dark o i dont find suspisious as he is playing different from when he was bad ie he makes sense
This I see as a rather excellent example of why to vote for Vulkan. Rather ill explained, Bishop is a townie, yet his thoughts on the matter never really go deeper then that. The Ferrett is suspicious simply because of a feeling, and Dark_O is suspicious as he is trying to make sense. While it might not seem like an overly suspicious thing, it doesn't add much to anything as to why he finds them suspicious, nor does it properly explain why he finds them suspicious. At least I think so.
Vulkan do you care to explain in a bit more detail whom you find suspicious and whom you think is a townie?
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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch
the_ferrett wrote:Mr Stiener, What would you ask of me such that I conform with your ways of how it should be done? Hm?
Change your play style, it didn't work for you last time. Why would it this time.
Thor665 wrote:BrotherStynier wrote:But one of your primary reasons for going after Drk_O is his usual play style. Why do you find it acceptable for Ferret to continue along with his ways, but not Drk_O? They both have a similar manner of operating.
To clarify one of my initial reasons for going after him was playstyle.
My initial random quote cited his playstyle as one I found personally hard to read. I have since then pointed out his specific act of dodging giving his opinion when he is more then experienced and intelligent enough to understand the reason to give opinions. I feel that action is specifically scummy and that is my primary reason for voting for him at the moment. I'm also not sure how I feel about how Drk_O ended up on the Vulkan wagon. It's possible he just suddenly got fed up with Vulkan's quietness but it's also possible he smelled an easy to push wagon. It also reminds me a bit of Genestealer 3 where Drk_O was scum, spouted nothing, and then when he got closer to a lynch suddenly became much more helpful and started scumhunting.
Overall the single scumtell is about the best evidence I've seen today and is why I'm still voting Drk_O. If shas or ferret had actually committed something I considered a scumtell I'd be much more content with their wagons. Do you think I'm missing something there?
But the playstyle was the first thing cited and then you went on to his dodging, which leads back to his playstyle, he always dodges. I understand your intent on voting for him, I am with you on that, but no one else seems to believe that stance. So why sit on him when currently its not going to accomplish anything? Don't you want us to make votes that will matter?
You feel reminded of Drk_O's actions in game 3 well they are quite similar, you and I have hounded him and now he begins trying to scum hunt, if today we are unable to lynch him than should I be alive tomorrow I will assist you more in seeing to it that he is lynched.
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Post by: Thor665
BrotherStynier wrote:But the playstyle was the first thing cited and then you went on to his dodging, which leads back to his playstyle, he always dodges. I understand your intent on voting for him, I am with you on that, but no one else seems to believe that stance. So why sit on him when currently its not going to accomplish anything? Don't you want us to make votes that will matter?
I do want us to make votes that matter and I do not think my current sitting on him is accomplishing nothing.
I will note that I have been active both in re-stating my desires to see Drk_O lynched, and why I feel that way, while at the same time questioning the current top wagon of Vulkan (which though I am not fully against I still don't understand why so many other people seem to be so for it). I will admit that unless someone comes swinging in on a chandelier screaming "hai guyz, I am t3h Genstealeorzz!!1!" that I expect it's already pretty obvious that Vulkan is going to be the lynch target this day phase. But he just looks more like an easy target rather then a scummy target in my opinion. We have multiple players here who have expressed as much as Vulkan or less - I will cite Arheiner who is probably the current king of the lurkers right now, and will add in ferret and shas also. All three of those players are equal or inferior to Vulkan in content provided and yet for some reason Vulkan is #1 on lots of players radars all of a sudden? That sounds to me like scum smelling blood in the water and helping to get the wagon rolling.
The best we'll get from Vulkan methinks is an info lynch. Players who defend and persecute him will have made those stances and that might help us be a little more accurate Day 2, and much more accurate Day 3. And sometimes, unfortunately, that's what Day 1 is about - just getting an ifo lynch.
You feel reminded of Drk_O's actions in game 3 well they are quite similar, you and I have hounded him and now he begins trying to scum hunt, if today we are unable to lynch him than should I be alive tomorrow I will assist you more in seeing to it that he is lynched.
That just seems like a good reason to lynch him today rather then tomorrow. Why would you want to help me lynch him then and not lynch him today? If you agree with me that he's acting in a mode similar to his usual scum meta then why are you voting ferrett? Do you find your current target more scummy - why? I think ferret hasn't been helpful - but he's playing identical to the last time he played that I saw (was that Drk_O's first time as game mod? I forget) and he was town that time.
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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch
I already assisted you with lynching him (Drk_O) today, and the efforts seemed futile as we were unable to convince the others removing him was a wise choice, instead I was challenged from aggressively targeting him and you were targeted for being too assertive.
I'm not planing on leaving my vote with Ferret, the vote for him was simply to help LL put pressure on him. And what we've gathered is that he is playing how he always does and little else other than him asking how we feel he should play.
UNVOTE:Ferret
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Post by: Thor665
BrotherStynier wrote:I already assisted you with lynching him (Drk_O) today, and the efforts seemed futile as we were unable to convince the others removing him was a wise choice, instead I was challenged from aggressively targeting him and you were targeted for being too assertive.
Did you really consider the pressure put on you and I as a reason to unvote Drk_O?
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Post by: Gornall
Current Vote Count:
0- Thor
0- DDRE
0- Lord-Loss
1- Fifty...................(Arheiner)
4- Vulkan_Hestan....(Dark_O, DDRE, Not_U, BishopGore)
0- Arheiner
0- BishopGore
0- Brother Stynier
1- Drk_Oblit............(Thor)
1- Shas O'vera........(Fifty)
1- Ferret.................(Lord Loss)
1- Not U.................(Vulkan)
With 12 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch
Thor665 wrote:BrotherStynier wrote:I already assisted you with lynching him (Drk_O) today, and the efforts seemed futile as we were unable to convince the others removing him was a wise choice, instead I was challenged from aggressively targeting him and you were targeted for being too assertive.
Did you really consider the pressure put on you and I as a reason to unvote Drk_O?
No I did not, I was simply stating that we were getting nothing but resistance. Which makes me more suspicious of certain people.
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Post by: SagesStone
OOC: Thor I really wish I was lieing about the capped net and dead PC thing
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Post by: Arheiner
OOC: I might not be on much in the next week as internet is near capacity, unlikely but maybe will happen.
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
Arheiner, I must agree with Thor's earlier statements about you being one of the chief lurkers this round. As is, my suspicions are starting to turn toward you, so even if your cap is almost reached, would you care to explain whom you find suspicious or even just justify your vote for fifty?
Gornall, when is this day phase's deadline?
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Post by: Thor665
Gornall wrote:The deadline will be 1800 EST on Monday, April 19th. Sunday afternoon was basically a freebie.
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Post by: Fifty
As Drk_O seems like a better candidate for lynching than Vulkan, and as there is little sign of movement towards Shas, I am going to switch my vote from Shas to Drk_O in an attempt to keep pressure on Drk_O and maybe get a vote I believe in more.
Unvote: Shas'o Vera
Vote: Dark_Obliterator
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Post by: shas'o vera
hmm, by the looks of things, everyone seems to be going to lynch Dark_O personally i woulud vote for him because he hardily tries to contribute to the disscussion at all, and because he hardily ever posts anyway. but i only wish for him to explain himself, nothing more.
Vote: Dark_Obliterator
but on one condision, that my vote doesn't lead to his lynching.
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Post by: Thor665
shas'o vera wrote:personally i woulud vote for him because he hardily tries to contribute to the disscussion at all, and because he hardily ever posts anyway
Pot, meet kettle.
but i only wish for him to explain himself, nothing more.
Vote: Dark_Obliterator
but on one condision, that my vote doesn't lead to his lynching.
"Hey guys, I'm going to vote for Drk_O because EVERYONE is doing it, and by everyone I mean Fifty and Thor (and maybe Stynier if he changes his vote?). Oh man, he needs to explain himself more - so I'll vote him so he does that. But hey, just so you know, even though I am voting him I don't want to lynch him, okay? So, like, if somehow this lynches him and he flips town, it's not because I'm a Genestealer trying to lynch someone, it's only because I wasn't quick enough to take my vote off of him, okay? In fact, later in the game this vote shouldn't even really be counted for anything because I put a lot of disclaimer language all over it...but Drk_O *really* needs to contribute to the discussion even though this vote clearly doesn't!"
Did I sum that up wrong in any way?
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Post by: Lord-Loss
Lets lay off Drk_Oblit and let him explain himself a bit guys.
Unvote: The_Ferret
Vote: Shas'O
So basically Shas just told us he is bandwagoning. This combinded with the fact that he rarely contributes to the general discussion and will just confuse and disrupt our scum hunting. Into someone I feel is more scummy then Shas arises I support a Shas lynch.
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Post by: Thor665
Lord-Loss wrote:Lets lay off Drk_Oblit and let him explain himself a bit guys.
I'll open by saying I understand and support your shas'o vote, but what I don't get is the above.
Lay off Drk_O? He has three votes on him...Vulkan has four why are you trying to protect Drk_O now but had nothing to say about Vulkan when he was getting more votes faster then this? Also, why are you worried that Drk_O has three votes (oooh, only four more to lynch, he's so close to being dead) and what makes you feel like he hasn't had (or won't have) time to defend himself especially considering how wimpy shas' vote on Drk_O is?
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Post by: Lord-Loss
I just think we should let him explain himself before anyone else casts a vote on him. It can snowball easily and turn into a bandwagon, we don't want that. I understand he's far away from an lynch
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Post by: Thor665
Why did you not feel this way about Vulkan?
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Post by: Lord-Loss
Vulkan had a chance to be involved, I asked him personally what his thoughts were on several of the current, or previously suspicous characters in the game but he failed to give a proper, well thought out response.
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Post by: Fifty
I would say that Dark_O has had the same opportunities, but has just waffled.
I am, I admit, tempted to rejoin the Shas vote now, but I can't flip back-and-forth endlessly or Gornall's head will explode trying to keep track of it all.
Shas, don't think you are off the hook with me, that is all.
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Post by: Thor665
Lord-Loss wrote:I think we should stop the votes for Vulkan and wait for him to explain himself, or play a more active role.
Okay, I went back and looked and I'd forgotten this from LL. That makes his defense of Drk_O here appear less scummy to my eyes (and I really do need a few more players to manage to do this). I disagree with his method of decrying any movement towards consensus but will at least admit I was incorrect in thinking he was being more defensive of Drk_O then he had been of Vulkan. In any case this does appear to be a general pattern of LL's attitude towards any wagon movement as opposed to a specific read I can infer on his attitude towards Drk_O/Vulkan.
Lord-Loss - for the record, I do disagree that Drk_O has had a lack of time to express his beliefs and thoughts in this thread. Also, with basically a week left we *should* be seeing more movement towards a lynch. There's no explicit need to go to deadline every Day Phase if we think we've found scum. Arheiner has admitted he'll be checked out, and I personally don't expect the other recalcitrant posters to suddenly have an epiphany about why talking is helpful to town. Therefore, I would be content to have a lynch within the next few real-life days so we can assess that information.
Do you have any direct feelings for or against the Drk-O wagon? Would you put Drk_O in the top half of your suspect list of being scum?
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Post by: Lord-Loss
I honestly can't understand why Drk_Oblit seems to be scummy. Is it because he wasn't scum hunting? He wasn't being sensible and posting strange?
He seems to be posting sensible, scum hunting stuff since his first post and Styniers pressure.
Could you show me some quotes that make Drk_Oblit suspicous?
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Post by: Thor665
It is difficult to point out a single post to explain my scummy read of Drk_O so please bear with me on this.
Drk_O's first posts were basically a lot of 'here I am and I am active' without actually offering any opinions on anyone or their actions (and by this point we had the BishopGore/Vulkan thing going on which was well worth weighing in on).
I request him to provide opinions. Brother Stynier agrees with me and puts pressure on him as well to provide content and not his usual joking distractions. Drk_O responds;
Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:BrotherStynier wrote:I feel Drk_O will do what he usually does, cloud the discussion with a high level of comments that mean absolutely nothing. So from your statement about comments with out content assisting the 'stealers, if he's a loyalist his death will assist us in another manner. It will cut the amount of clutter the genestealers will be able to hide in.
Absolutely nothing? I'm not sure what to tell you, most of what I say means something. Maybe you don't see it, maybe I'm not clear enough. I'm not sure. I'll try and focus more. I want to be more help...
Congratulations Drk_O you just responded to a request for opinions by saying you provide opinions without actually providing any opinions. He's also promising help (Yeah guys, I'll do some really good scumhunting...just not right now).
I call him on this and point out my issues with his post above.
He posts this (link will include my commentary against him as he quotes it)
He's "unaware" he wasn't offering opinions on other players? I don't buy that, Drk_O may be difficult to read but he's a poltroon by choice not because he's stupid. That set off my scumdar a bit because clearly he's aware and he's trying to play some sort of "aw, shucks, I'm a newbie sorta guy and didn't realize I wasn't helping" card. Moving on from this he then goes into a lengthy spate of offering his opinions...and what are these opinions?
1. He supports n0t_u's vote on BishopGore (n0t_u had voted based off an RVS joke reason of calling BG a Slaanesh worshiper. He had already admitted this and that his reasoning was not to be taken seriously but here's Drk_O taking it seriously).
2. That BishopGore is more likely a Night Lords Aspirant then a Genestealer (!?!) First off he can't even know if there is one (unless Drk_O is that one and this is a cover attempt) or this is just more random hot air blasted at BG in an attempt to look involved and scumhunting.
3. N0t_u is either the Inquisitor, a Genestealer, or the Night Lord (again with the Night Lord thing and also - wow, he narrowed n0t_u down a *lot* right there. That isn't an opinion, that is a list of every possibility that is out there).
4. He is getting "vibes" from Vulkan but basically says he thinks they're town vibes (y'know, Vulkan, the guy Drk_O is trying to help lynch right now)
5. He is getting "vibes" from Stynier (doesn't say what they are) and that he respects him. (aka I respect you dude, please leave me alone!)
6. Unvotes Thor (aka - please stop pressuring me, look, I stopped voting you, leave me alone!)
I pressure him yet again to offer opinions.
He manages this post which, if you look at the end, again offers up the "hey, I'll scumhunt lots...just not right now, please be patient with me" commentary yet again. By this point I feel he's by far the scummiest looking player and have been campaigning for him solidly since then.
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@Lord-Loss - As a reverse of your question. You have stated that you feel Drk_O is posting sensible scumhunting ever since his first post and Stynier's pressure (two different points in time in my mind, but whatever). Could you please show me this sensible scumhunting that clears him in your mind?
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Post by: Lord-Loss
Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:Thor665 wrote:Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:Absolutely nothing? I'm not sure what to tell you, most of what I say means something. Maybe you don't see it, maybe I'm not clear enough. I'm not sure. I'll try and focus more. I want to be more help...
As I noted earlier - there is a difference between a post and a post with content. Your post here is a great example.
You have lots of discussion, are responding to a few posters, and are working hard at looking helpful and having a general dialogue about the flow of the game.
However, when someone actually looks at the post what do they see? Is there any information in there that is relevant to the game discussion? Do I know your attitude towards any of the other players better now then I did before? Did you make a case against anyone, or discuss anything that looked scummy or townish to you? Did you offer a plan or concept that will help town find scum or discern a better voting strategy?
You have posted a post that suggests activity without actually giving away any reads or doing anything that will generate game related content. Each post you make ought to at least be answering/questioning/analyzing/pressuring one of the players/actions in the game in order for it to help us find scum. (of course if you can come up with something that is not on that list and showcase how it helps find scum I am good with that too - but if you're not helping town find scum then you are more likely to be scum yourself, or a player who is not helping his team)
I am happier with my Drk_O vote now, if anyone is not happy with their vote we could do with another 1-2 over here. If you disagree with me calling Drk_O for this or find another player more scummy then say so and explain why
I was actually unaware I wasn't doing any of those things you listed. I do like to think that I offer my opinnion, which could shed some light on someone that someone may not have had. I did also ask Vulkan why he didn't explain why he didn't vote for Bishop, so I'm not %100 pointless
I'll have to let you know though, while I appreciate you helping me just now, I completely disagree with you calling on me. You're continuing to vote for me because you beleive I wasn't helping. While it's deffinately true, I think you're voting for me because you think I have/was doing it on purpose. I didn't realise I wasn't actually helping until now.
However, I'm going to Unvote: Thor665, because an eye for an eye, and you gave me my over one back.
I'll go over what I think about who I find suspicious so far :
Bishop, as MR INQUISITOR so elegantly pointed out, has shown evidence of Slanesh worship. However, I remember someone had almost died from talking about a certain ab-human in their first post. So, I would think I should let it slide. However, Gornall did say
Gornall wrote:There may also be a "loose cannon" role of Assassin and/or Night Lord... or there may not. Basically, you cannot assume anything.
The very moment you're told not to assume anything, you can always assume that it's true. So it may be that if there would be a Night Lords Assailant, that it may indeed be Bishop who could be a NLA. Only time will tell.
n0t_u (hereby refered to as MR INQUISITOR) There are three possibilities.
1. He is an Inquisitor, (and deserves the nick name I have given him) trying to proove there is no good time to say "Hey, I am the Inquisitor"
2. He is a Genestealer, hoping that there is no Inquisitor, meaning that there would be a Psyker who will now protect him every NightPhase from Bish-- I mean a NLA
3. He is the NLA, hoping for the same thing as my second outlined possibilty, and also to put some fear in the Genestealers.
I'm getting vibes from Vulkan, but they're the normal vibes I get from Vulkan. Easily frustrated, possibly disinterested in the game. I'm probibly wrong, but I know what my spidey sense is telling me.
I'm also getting Vibes from Stynier, but it's probibly just a knee jerk reaction. Easily ignored for now, because I respect what he was getting at.
I'm not sure I should vote for anyone at the moment, I need to think things over.
He seems fairly clear here, he states his opinion about certain scenario's and told us of the certain feelings he gets from players.
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Post by: Thor665
You actually posted the exact post I linked to where I was ripping him apart for his "scumhunting"
Could you please go and reference my post and explain to me how I'm wrong on how I'm breaking down his efforts in this post?
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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch
Okay like Thor has said, we've got a week to decide on someone. I' deciding that I'm gonna go back to Drk_O, looking back over his posts only strengthens my belief that he is either the genestealer or some other anti-town role.
EDIT Forgot my vote, how silly of me.
VOTE: Drk_O
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Post by: Gornall
Current Vote Count:
0- Thor
0- DDRE
0- Lord-Loss
1- Fifty...................(Arheiner)
4- Vulkan_Hestan....(Dark_O, DDRE, Not_U, BishopGore)
0- Arheiner
0- BishopGore
0- Brother Stynier
4- Drk_Oblit............(Thor, Fifty, Shas'O, Brother Stynier)
0- Shas O'vera........(Lord Loss)
0- Ferret
1- Not U.................(Vulkan)
With 12 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
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Post by: BishopGore
I think you're twisting some of Drk_O's words from his posts Thor. He says I'm acting wacky and random (which I was) and that those are the hallmarks of the NLA in-game. However he's not accusing me, he's trying to get people thinking.
Talking of vibes is not helpful, but on Day 1, with all the Random that floats around you often have to go from vibes, because you've read lots of posts and you start to form opinions, not ones that you want to go back and search through all the posts for quotes of, but opinions none the less.
I believe that following the death of Mekboy, Vulkan's playstyle changed. He started to care a little more about his character, offering up opinions, badly thought out and phrased as they were
I believe a lynch of Vulkan will reveal as much as a lynch on Drk_O.
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Post by: the_ferrett
Does that mean you think they are both guilty or both innocent? Or does that mean you're watching the reactions of a specific person and you can guess how they will react?
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Post by: Drk_Oblitr8r
Thor665 wrote:
I request him to provide opinions. Brother Stynier agrees with me and puts pressure on him as well to provide content and not his usual joking distractions. Drk_O responds;
Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:BrotherStynier wrote:I feel Drk_O will do what he usually does, cloud the discussion with a high level of comments that mean absolutely nothing. So from your statement about comments with out content assisting the 'stealers, if he's a loyalist his death will assist us in another manner. It will cut the amount of clutter the genestealers will be able to hide in.
Absolutely nothing? I'm not sure what to tell you, most of what I say means something. Maybe you don't see it, maybe I'm not clear enough. I'm not sure. I'll try and focus more. I want to be more help...
Congratulations Drk_O you just responded to a request for opinions by saying you provide opinions without actually providing any opinions. He's also promising help (Yeah guys, I'll do some really good scumhunting...just not right now).
I thought it was meant in general, like my playstyle or something.
I call him on this and point out my issues with his post above.
He posts this (link will include my commentary against him as he quotes it)
He's "unaware" he wasn't offering opinions on other players? I don't buy that, Drk_O may be difficult to read but he's a poltroon by choice not because he's stupid. That set off my scumdar a bit because clearly he's aware and he's trying to play some sort of "aw, shucks, I'm a newbie sorta guy and didn't realize I wasn't helping" card.
That's not what I was trying to say at all.
I thought I was doing ok
I was told early on in the game that I really wasn't by both you and Styner
I was all like "Ohh? You sure? I thought I was though.."
I don't really think through what I say, and pretty much assume it's useful. So it was more of a "Ohh, thats what I was doing?"
Moving on from this he then goes into a lengthy spate of offering his opinions...and what are these opinions?
4. He is getting "vibes" from Vulkan but basically says he thinks they're town vibes (y'know, Vulkan, the guy Drk_O is trying to help lynch right now)
I'm voting for Vulkan, because I don't feel he's going to be helpful in the long run. He's barely doing anything now.
5. He is getting "vibes" from Stynier (doesn't say what they are) and that he respects him. (aka I respect you dude, please leave me alone!)
I explained that they weren't very strong vibes, and I put them to a reflex, and decided to ignore them.
6. Unvotes Thor (aka - please stop pressuring me, look, I stopped voting you, leave me alone!)
I undid my RVS vote, because I'm was 80% sure you're town.
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Post by: Thor665
BishopGore wrote:I think you're twisting some of Drk_O's words from his posts Thor. He says I'm acting wacky and random (which I was) and that those are the hallmarks of the NLA in-game. However he's not accusing me, he's trying to get people thinking.
NLAs do X
BishopGore does X
Do you guys think because of X BishopGore is a NLA?
That looks like an accusation to me whether or not you think it gets conversation going. It's also a very weird accusation - as I have noted - since there is no evidence to suggest we even have a NLA at this point nor is there evidence to suggest the NLA acts 'wacky'. Why would Drk_O accuse you of being a NLA instead of a Genestealer? That's really the focused point I want you to consider. Do you think he legitimately believes that those with the NLA role act 'wacky' while Genestealers do not? Or do you think he is making NLA accusations because he has inside knowledge of the presence of a NLA?
I believe a lynch of Vulkan will reveal as much as a lynch on Drk_O.
Other then your own interactions with Vulkan (which came before Mekboy's death) I don't think there's a lot coming from that lynch. What do you see as the best piece of information it is likely to provide us?
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Post by: Lord-Loss
No one else apart from Fifty supports a Shas'O lynch? He hasn't been scum hunting, aswell as being pretty scummy.
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Post by: Thor665
Lord-Loss wrote:No one else apart from Fifty supports a Shas'O lynch? He hasn't been scum hunting, aswell as being pretty scummy.
You missed my question to you above (immediately after your last post)
I agree with you that shas hasn't been scumhunting. My personal read is a bit more of "townie who doesn't know how to scumhunt" then "scum who is intentionally being unhelpful"
I don't recall him doing anything I would specifically call 'scummy' thus far - what's twigged you on him?
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Post by: Lord-Loss
Thor665 wrote:1. He supports n0t_u's vote on BishopGore (n0t_u had voted based off an RVS joke reason of calling BG a Slaanesh worshiper. He had already admitted this and that his reasoning was not to be taken seriously but here's Drk_O taking it seriously).
2. That BishopGore is more likely a Night Lords Aspirant then a Genestealer (!?!) First off he can't even know if there is one (unless Drk_O is that one and this is a cover attempt) or this is just more random hot air blasted at BG in an attempt to look involved and scumhunting.
3. N0t_u is either the Inquisitor, a Genestealer, or the Night Lord (again with the Night Lord thing and also - wow, he narrowed n0t_u down a *lot* right there. That isn't an opinion, that is a list of every possibility that is out there).
4. He is getting "vibes" from Vulkan but basically says he thinks they're town vibes (y'know, Vulkan, the guy Drk_O is trying to help lynch right now)
5. He is getting "vibes" from Stynier (doesn't say what they are) and that he respects him. (aka I respect you dude, please leave me alone!)
6. Unvotes Thor (aka - please stop pressuring me, look, I stopped voting you, leave me alone!)
1. I guess that's pretty suspicous, but he is still scum hunting, but looking pretty scummy while doing it.
2. I think Drk_Oblit was reading too much into BG saying "I like to be the only player to know" thing, or whatever he said. ( )
3. Well I very much doubt N0t_u is a townie pretending to be an Inqusitior.
4. He could have changed his mind on Vulkan, just a possibilty here, I don't know.
5. I got no idea.
6. Was a RVS vote, not sure how to take of him responding to your RVS vote with a vote though..
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Post by: Thor665
Lord-Loss wrote:1. I guess that's pretty suspicous, but he is still scum hunting, but looking pretty scummy while doing it.
I've got some personal disagreements with how you're reading my reads, but since I don't think you're scum at the moment there's no reason to dwell on them and really this is the important one. You asked me why I thought he was scummy, and here you're admitting you can see him as "pretty scummy." Done deal. You don't need to agree with every one of my reads if you can see that. I do disagree that he has been offering helpful scumhunting as well, but clearly our reads on that are opposite and I doubt we'll be convincing the other one anytime soon.
What is it you see as the scummiest thing shas has done?
@ARHEINER - (presuming you have internets) what is the scummiest thing Fifty has done?
@VULKAN - your vote on n0t_u is terrible, please move it.
It looks like the option is a Vulkan or Drk_O lynch. If Lord-Loss comes up with something interesting I could entertain the shas lynch, but at the moment am against it because my read there is just a newbie player. The worst thing I see against Vulkan is that "mood shift" that BishopGore has been talking about, which isn't a totally unreasonable scum tell but I do believe that someone said the same thing about shas...
@BISHOPGORE - how do you see Vulkan's "shift" in playing style after Mekboy's death to be different then shas' "shift" after the same?
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Post by: Vulkan_He'stan
unvote:not_u
forgot about that one
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
Vulkan would you perhaps care to explain your unvote a little more? I seriously hope you weren't still voting for Not_U because you had forgotten you had voted in the first place. Would you also care to perhaps explain in more detail whom you find suspicious?
Edited to add punctuation.
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Post by: BishopGore
I think either Drk_O or Vulkan COULD be genestealers. Of the two it is more likely statistically that Drk_O is a genestealer than Vulkan is, but I believe Vulkan's change in play style is more to work from than Drk_O's comments. Vulkan was almost definitely not a genestealer when the game started, going from what I saw of his post edit, hence why I say statistically it is less likely that he was randomly chosen after Mekboy's death than before (2/13 at game start vs 1/8 or 1/9 from the pro-towners who could be elevated to genestealer role).
Thor, I agree that Shas'O and Vulkan changed at the same time, but Shas'O quickly lost interest again (he posted for a few hours then went to play in the daisies again) whilst Vulkan has kept up at least a shaky presence here. Maybe Shas'O did come back because he was given an anti-town role and nobody was paying attention to him so he got bored, but maybe it was just bad timing on his part to get interested then.
Looking at the post again, as you point out, it is quite accusatory. I guess I can see that this is a bit suspicious, like trying to hide an attack on me behind the thoughts about potential other roles in the game because I was receiving so much heat at the time.
Every post by Vulkan has some new and interesting comment to muse over. It's almost educational.
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Post by: shas'o vera
may i ask, what exactly leads you to believe that i have an anti-town role in all this? for all you know i could be the inquisitor or another one of those type of roles.
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Post by: Thor665
shas'o vera wrote:may i ask, what exactly leads you to believe that i have an anti-town role in all this? for all you know i could be the inquisitor or another one of those type of roles.
Oh dear gawd, sir.
If you are one of those roles - why would you reveal it this way?
If you are not one of those roles why would you try to suggest to the other town players that you are?
@Lord-Loss - I retract my request for you to point out something scummy that shas has done. I'll simply re-word it to a request of what scummy thing you think he's done prior to his last post
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Post by: Drk_Oblitr8r
Thor665 wrote:shas'o vera wrote:may i ask, what exactly leads you to believe that i have an anti-town role in all this? for all you know i could be the inquisitor or another one of those type of roles.
Oh dear gawd, sir.
If you are one of those roles - why would you reveal it this way?
If you are not one of those roles why would you try to suggest to the other town players that you are?
I'm not sure he was suggesting he was any such role. I think he meant you can never be sure who you are suspecting due to the anonymous nature of the game.
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Post by: Thor665
Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:I'm not sure he was suggesting he was any such role. I think he meant you can never be sure who you are suspecting due to the anonymous nature of the game.
If he wasn't claiming a power role (and ye gawds I would prefer that) then...well...he has brilliantly established that he could be a power role, scum, or town. Whoop- de-dah, he has just described every player here.
I'll also note he apparently posted that in response to BishopGore...who was actually kinda defending him (and at the very least was certainly not attacking him, BG was attacking Vulkan). I'll also note again that I asked him why he was saying what he was saying and now I have you answering for him....why did you answer for him, are you that sure of your read of his actions?
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Post by: Drk_Oblitr8r
Thor665 wrote:Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:I'm not sure he was suggesting he was any such role. I think he meant you can never be sure who you are suspecting due to the anonymous nature of the game.
If he wasn't claiming a power role (and ye gawds I would prefer that) then...well...he has brilliantly established that he could be a power role, scum, or town. Whoop- de-dah, he has just described every player here.
I'll also note he apparently posted that in response to BishopGore...who was actually kinda defending him (and at the very least was certainly not attacking him, BG was attacking Vulkan). I'll also note again that I asked him why he was saying what he was saying and now I have you answering for him....why did you answer for him, are you that sure of your read of his actions?
I was when I said so. I remember saying something similar in a previous game, (I think it was in Game 2) which I meant this. Although, I did say it to cast abit of doubt...
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Post by: the_ferrett
I wonder what makes either more guilty than the other. As the only person not with a vote down at last tally... What makes either team Edward or Jacob .... I mean Dark_O or Vulkan think that their suspicion is more valid than the other. Not why you think he's guilty, but why he's MORE guilty. (The prior joke is not meant to offend.)
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Post by: Thor665
the_ferrett wrote:What makes either team Edward or Jacob .... I mean Dark_O or Vulkan think that their suspicion is more valid than the other. Not why you think he's guilty, but why he's MORE guilty. (The prior joke is not meant to offend.)
In the final analysis - gut. Both sides have presented their cases and both cases are not horribly bad, but I don't like the logic of the Vulkan case and my gut says to suspect Drk_O (of course it always says that). I'm also now curious about Drk_O's minor defense towards shas'o which only reaffirms me in my selected course.
What's your gut say? Why are you holding back on your vote right now?
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Post by: Thor665
Also, just as a general note - in my opinion most good conversation has dried up right now. I'm fine with a lynch within the next few days, how about we pretend deadline is Friday or something? I see no reason to drag this out for six more days unless we have good conversation going. It's pretty obvious what the choices are right now, everyone should choose and say why they chose that way.
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Post by: Lord-Loss
I think I'm fine with a Vulkan lynch, not sure about a Drk_Oblit lynch.
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Post by: Thor665
I'd say vote him then, then all the Vulkan wagon has to do is convince two of the Oblit wagon to float over.
@FERRETT - vote.
@ARHEINER - (if you're around) your current vote is meaningless, please pick a real wagon.
@VULKAN - why are you not voting for Drk_O at this point?
LL, you clearly prefer Vulkan. Unless Vulkan is suicidal he'll end up preferring the Drk_O wagon. That puts both wagons at 5 votes each.
@EVERYBODY VOTING DRK_O AND VULKAN!
I want you to list your top two lynches (really just your second lynch since I'll presume you're voting your top). we need to figure out which of these wagons is going forward this phase.
By anytime Friday if Vulkan's wagon has six votes I will hammer him because I think we're not getting any more worthwhile conversation today and also because I find Vulkan a reasonable lynch target.
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
Well, my number 1 for a lynch today is Vulkan(rather obvious, but still, you did say two lynches). He has acted in the manner I had expected him to, random votes, or unvotes. Coupled with ill explained reasons for these, he also shows disinterest in the game, IMHO.
My second for lynch would be Shas'O, the rubbish(sorry to be a bit harsh)he has been posting, doesn't help anyone. I feel this could be a deliberate scummy ploy, to generally muck up conversation now and again.
The only reason why Drk_O isn't on my list is actually because I am half way to believing he is scum. I feel it better to keep him around and affirm my suspicions, and just perhaps find his partner before moving to lynch him.
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Post by: Thor665
Deff Dread red Edition wrote:The only reason why Drk_O isn't on my list is actually because I am half way to believing he is scum. I feel it better to keep him around and affirm my suspicions, and just perhaps find his partner before moving to lynch him.
::insert shocked wide-eyed emoticon here::
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
A face like this perhaps....
I realize that was quite badly worded, I meant that he was indeed on my list of those whom I suspect, and he ranks fairly high. However, it helps nothing to simply lynch him and still be left with no clue as to who his partner is. Then again, I'm all for lynching him and finding that out through more discussion.
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Post by: Lord-Loss
unvote: Shas'O
Vote: Vulkan
I've made my decision, Shas is second on my suspects list.
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Post by: the_ferrett
Insofar the likelihood of guilt of both of both parties is the same. Why should I vote one over the other?
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Post by: Thor665
the_ferrett wrote:Insofar the likelihood of guilt of both of both parties is the same. Why should I vote one over the other?
Because we need a full simple majority to have a lynch, otherwise we have no lynch which is not good for town. If we lynch we have a chance of lynching scum, if we do not lynch then we have no chance of that happening.
Insofar as you feel they are both of absolute equal guilt - why is it so difficult just to pick one and vote for them?
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Post by: BishopGore
Vulkan has become my top suspect due to his change in play style. I would list Ferrett as my second highest suspect, he won't vote for anyone and he's dancing around most of the questions asked.
Sorry for the short post just spent 3 hours going through another mafia game and now my brain is deep fried *sizzle*
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Post by: the_ferrett
Because I will not throw good salt after bad.
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Post by: Thor665
the_ferrett wrote:Because I will not throw good salt after bad.
Okay, so basically you're saying you don't believe either of them are worth voting for at all? If you had to pick someone to vote for who would it be?
Also, how do you think your methods in the game thus far will help us catch Genestealers?
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Post by: the_ferrett
I don't. I understand my methods thus far have been... sub-par. Mainly its fear of you tbt. And I would be sitting on someone if I had a suspect. Any suspect.
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Post by: Lord-Loss
But if we think as the rest of the town as using the normal scum hunting technique and then compare it to yours. Our's is alot more succesful, you're only making yourself seem suspicous.
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Post by: Thor665
If you fear me then shouldn't you be voting Vulkan since I seem to want Drk_O lynched?
If you have no suspects do you at least have a player(s) you trust (like at least maybe n0t_u who is an uncontested claimed Inquisitor?). You can vote with them the way they're voting in the hopes their suspicions are more accurate then yours.
Heck, even if for some insane reason you refuse to vote at least explain *why* you don't think either Vulkan or Drk_O is worth voting.
The worst thing you can do is clam up and not offer thoughts. There are multiple examples of people trying this in Genestealer games here and they almost always end up lynched for it.
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Post by: the_ferrett
Fear makes me hesitate rather than act irrationally, Who do I trust? Usually noone. I usually ask enough questions to elliviate my fears. Its not that neither of them is worth voting for. Indeed the evidence for both side is compelling and I suspect both will be dead come morn, its just... neither side is more compelling than the other. And no that doesn't mean you just randomly bandwagon. That means you ask more questions. Like why is Drk_O MORE guilty than Vulkan and visa versa.
(BBL Classes)
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Post by: Thor665
...or it means you flip a coin.
I have presented my case on Drk_O and it includes why I am voting him over Vulkan - you either buy into it or you do not. LL and Bishop Gore have done the same for Vulkan, again, you either buy it or you do not.
Also, if your solution is a need to ask questions why in the universe am I having to chase you around the yard with a stick demanding info? Shouldn't our positions be reversed?
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Post by: the_ferrett
*Shakes head* I have no idea.
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Post by: Thor665
I now strongly support a ferret lynch.
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Post by: the_ferrett
I now firmly believe you're wrong.
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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch
Wrong in what way? Is he wrong simply because he feels that you along with Drk_O and Vulkan are prime candidates to be lynched? From the looks of things a couple people agree with him that you should be lynched, you're certainly stammering about rather uselessly, cluttering the thread with posts that can only act as a smoke screen for the genestealers. Similarly to what Drk_O does, something that earns you no points with me.
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Post by: SagesStone
Second on my list is Drk_O.
But being the Inquisitor my list is a bit longer than that, as I have to think of who would be a good target for investigation and would have to go through everything to figure that out
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Post by: Thor665
Voting consideration
n0t_u lists second as Drk_O
BishopGore lists ferret as his.
LL & DDRE list shas'o as their second.
Thor665 & Brother Stynier list Vulkan (though at least for me both ferret and DDRE are now in hot contention too, but I don't see us getting either of those wagons.)
At least half of the current Drk_O wagon sees Vulkan as a reasonable lynch. I'd like to hear from shas'o and Fifty on this question as well but it doesn't look like any of the Vulkan wagon (besides n0t_u) are down with the Drk_O wagon whereas the reverse is not true.
Vulkan - if you are town please vote for Drk_O (heck, if you are scum you should vote for Drk_O as well, as it's the only thing likely to save you at this point)
shas'o & Fifty - please weigh in on the 2nd preference question.
n0t_u - If Vulkan shows up and votes Drk_O would you change your vote to lynch Drk_O?
If Vulkan hasn't voted by tomorrow I will change my vote - as I've said, we're going nowhere right now so we might as well lynch and get some new info on the table.
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Thor's Last Will & Testament
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If I am not around tomorrow due to horrible death these are some things I wish considered.
ferret - why will this bum not vote? Find out, and force him to give opinions.
n0t_u - you *must* discern if he is the real Inquisitor. DEMAND a counter claim from everyone else (if you get one then you know you've got a real Inquisitor and a real scum - lynch one of them, and if you're wrong lynch the other next Day). Also, DEMAND his investigation results. If there is no counter claim I would reasonably trust him (90%), but keep an eye on him (especially by Day 3-4) as it might be a scum trick.
DDRE - "I want to keep Drk_O alive because he's scum and I want to find his partner" WTF! Keep an eye on him.
Vulkan/Drk_O - whichever isn't lynched is *not* cleared, keep pressure on them. Demand opinions.
BishopG - if we lynch Vulkan and Vulkan flips scum I will not be in support of a BishopG lynch, if Vulkan flips town I think BishopG will need more looking at. A weak read, but I want it out there, the above reads are all stronger.
shas'o - personally I think everyone who wants to lynch him is reading him wrong. Still, force him to keep talking and offering opinions so maybe you can decide if I'm just being dumb or not.
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Post by: Deff Dread red Edition
I think your twisting my words there a bit mate. The above message was meant to convey that he was high on my list of suspects and not actually scum. It, in all honesty, was a post born of a tired mind still coping with doing English homework.
What I said was that I was half way to believing he was scum, and that I thought that before putting in a vote for him, it would be better to actually get more evidence to validate my suspicions.
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Post by: Fifty
((Sorry, been trying to balance working, socialising and filling in job applications... Not been reading this as a result, but hopefully people still feel my average posting throughout the thread so far has been of sufficient quantity))
My first preference is currently Drk_O. I see Vulkan as a reasonable alternative. Shas'o is also a decent alt.
I also feel a Friday lynch would be reasonable.
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Post by: Gornall
Current Vote Count:
0- Thor
0- DDRE
0- Lord-Loss
1- Fifty...................(Arheiner)
5- Vulkan_Hestan....(Dark_O, DDRE, Not_U, BishopGore, Lord Loss)
0- Arheiner
0- BishopGore
0- Brother Stynier
4- Drk_Oblit............(Thor, Fifty, Shas'O, Brother Stynier)
0- Shas O'vera
0- Ferret
0- Not U
With 12 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
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Post by: Gornall
I just prodded Arheiner. If he hasn't posted by Friday at 6:00 PM EST, then he'll be removed.
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Post by: Lord-Loss
I'm voting Vulkan Gornal.
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Post by: the_ferrett
That puts Vulk at 5. 2 left to lynch.
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Post by: Lord-Loss
Going to vote yet Ferret?
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Post by: the_ferrett
I spent 2 hours considering the differences in.... oh wait, there were no differences in arguament. Noone has a scrap of evidence, even a strong gut comment that is more outstanding than the other team. Indeed, both sides are only so highly populated due to Thorr's strong-arming. Oh whoops, I'm not supposed to mention that or Thorr will bring up how I keep sitting on the fence due to not enough evidence.
If I haven't asked enough questions, Lord, tell me this. Can you see any difference in the arguaments of either side?
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Post by: Drk_Oblitr8r
My first choice of a lynch is now strongly for the_ferrett. He talks alot, but doesn't really do anything. I would vote for him, but I don't feel it'd take today, so I'll put more effort into that in DayPhase2.
My second is Vulkan, he didn't say much until the switch, as I said when I voted for him, he doubled his posts in two pages than the 5 pages before the switch. Gornal said that a civillian was changed to a Genestealer, and I think it was obvious that he was/is a civillian.
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Post by: Lord-Loss
We can never be 100% that someone is a Genestealer Ferret, we just work off what we have. If you feel that Drk_Oblit is more suspicous then vote him. If you feel that Vulkan is more suspicous then vote him. Vote for the person you feel is most likely a Genestealer, your play style has got us zero suspects, we have pegged two people who most of the town feel are most probally Stealers.
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Post by: Arheiner
I'm sorry I haven't been active lately, been sleeping all day as it's the holidays. Will read the last couple of pages to catch up on what's happening.
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Post by: the_ferrett
The irony is I have been sure in my previou games. I knew where I stood. And mr Drk_O. Is it better to do what others do? Switching "Oh I feel likes" like nothing on earth? What I think is that Vulkan will win by a margin of 3 and that this will likely happen during my lab time. I also suspect Drk_O will survive to minimum phase 4, as he's the kind of body you suspevct but don't really act on as its always a chance he's just grandstanding. Thorr will be kept alive merely for his outstanding leadership skills *sarcasm*. Lemme see what else I can glimmer. Mr Loss will make it to phase 5, when his logic is mistaken for something scummy and the town turns on him. Is that enough 'doing' for you Drk_O? Or do you need me to add wood to either of the pyres?
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Post by: Lord-Loss
Ferret will make it to Phase 2, where he will be lynched for making bad theories on when everyone will die.
Are you trying to draw Stealers out by apearing scummy Ferret?
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Post by: Drk_Oblitr8r
the_ferrett wrote:The irony is I have been sure in my previou games. I knew where I stood. And mr Drk_O. Is it better to do what others do? Switching "Oh I feel likes" like nothing on earth? What I think is that Vulkan will win by a margin of 3 and that this will likely happen during my lab time. I also suspect Drk_O will survive to minimum phase 4, as he's the kind of body you suspevct but don't really act on as its always a chance he's just grandstanding. Thorr will be kept alive merely for his outstanding leadership skills *sarcasm*. Lemme see what else I can glimmer. Mr Loss will make it to phase 5, when his logic is mistaken for something scummy and the town turns on him. Is that enough 'doing' for you Drk_O? Or do you need me to add wood to either of the pyres?
Want to know whats really ironic. In trying to prove you were doing anything, you didn't do anything.
I didn't say you didn't say anything. You say alot, and you mean alot. But you still aren't really doing anything.
My problem is, you fail to act. Do something!
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Post by: Thor665
Deff Dread red Edition wrote:I think your twisting my words there a bit mate. ....was a post born of a tired mind still coping with doing English homework.
Am I twisting your words or was it a post that was worded strange because you were tired. If the post was worded strange, am I really twisting it? If I am twisting it, why do you say the post was worded strange?
I think I am twisting nothing and I think you are nervous because I caught you saying something really scummy and you're trying a double-barreled defense in the hope something clicks.
@ferret
:  :
Okay, so by your last couple of posts you feel I am strong-arming people and being a horrible leader of the town (despite this it's pretty apparent that who I want to lynch will not be lynched). If I am indeed such a scary, strong-arming trouble maker for the town - why aren't you voting me and trying to point out to other people how I'm wrong?
Unvote: Drk_O
Vote: Vulkan
Vulkan is a solid second for multiple people voting Drk_O (myself included) and I'm reasonably sold by BG's case on him that I'm comfortable with this vote. It just bugs me I'm on a wagon with both Drk_O and DDRE now, as both are looking pretty scummy to me. That said, this is pretty clearly the vote that will happen today, and I see no valid reason to wait longer for it.
Next vote will lynch Vulkan. I am content to wait through Friday to see if we get *anything* out of Arheiner, but by late Friday I'm all for someone to drop the hammer.
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Post by: the_ferrett
It seems that DO=Vote then.
And Thorr, the crap thing is. No matter how much I feel you are guilty.... you haven't done anything guilty. "Strongarming" while usuable for scum, can be used for good. And thus without secondary info all I have to work with is gut. As you lot seem to want me to trust my gut.....
Vote:Thorr
....and I return back to finding him guilty. What a surprise.
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Post by: Thor665
the_ferrett wrote:And Thorr, the crap thing is. No matter how much I feel you are guilty... you haven't done anything guilty.
There are not enough palms to hold my face.
I will point out this would have been more useful from you a week ago when you initially expressed doubt about me and then dropped it. Even if your suspicion is just gut you should be willing to work at it. In any case, if all you have is gut my suggestion to you is to re-read my posts in the thread. A gut read usually comes from somewhere and maybe you'll spot whatever you think it is I did that looked scummy to you. That way you can, y'know, try to help town by showing them how scummy I am so I can be lynched. That is the job of the town.
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Post by: the_ferrett
See?! There you go being unscummy by trying to help me?!? Every suspicion of guilt I could have of you is tempered by a kind act.
Oh and for the record, your scummy thing seems to be starting with Drk_O then in your description you drop a name of someone else who exhibits this behaviour. Which is what the masses pick up on. Mainly because Drk_O plays the fool so well. But if someone not the fool acts like the fool - well that's suspect behaviour. I'll find a quote after my labs.
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Post by: Thor665
the_ferrett wrote:See?! There you go being unscummy by trying to help me?!? Every suspicion of guilt I could have of you is tempered by a kind act.
Every game of Genestealer I've played on this board has included me offering my opinions, thoughts, and advice of how to play to others. Sometimes in a nice way and sometimes more shrill. In and of itself it doesn't prove me town. I'll await your quote, because I do not think I understand what you're saying (I accused Drk_O but mentioned someone else who did the same thing and that's what everyone else picked up on?)
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Post by: Drk_Oblitr8r
the_ferrett wrote:It seems that DO=Vote then.
And Thorr, the crap thing is. No matter how much I feel you are guilty.... you haven't done anything guilty. "Strongarming" while usuable for scum, can be used for good. And thus without secondary info all I have to work with is gut. As you lot seem to want me to trust my gut.....
Vote:Thorr
....and I return back to finding him guilty. What a surprise.
I'm debating within myself the difference between doing nothing and doing domething that isn't useful...
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Post by: the_ferrett
Sorry, this may make me a prick, but your scare tactics and your requirements that I save my own skin aint going to push me into voting either of them. You want to lynch them you can do it the hard way.
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Post by: Thor665
the_ferrett wrote:Sorry, this may make me a prick, but your scare tactics and your requirements that I save my own skin aint going to push me into voting either of them. You want to lynch them you can do it the hard way.
I will again note, people have said why they feel both Vulkan and Drk_O *should* be lynched. It is intrinsic upon you to express why you feel they *shouldn't* be lynched (please note shas'o and my own efforts in that regard. I disagree with that wagon, have said why, and have attacked the logic of those who want him lynched). If you're town waiting till effectively the 11th hour and then saying "you fools are all wrong!" may or may not later prove that you are correct in your thoughts - but it certainly doesn't help the rest of us assess whether or not we are correct. So even if you're dead-on right on everything you've said, you're failing at your job of getting scum lynched and town not lynched. If you're scum, please continue doing what you've been doing.
Also, I'm still waiting for the quotes from me and hopefully a clarification of what it was you thought I did (as far as I can tell you're accusing me of expressing suspicion of someone and having other people agree with me)
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Post by: BishopGore
This is a very quiet first day so far. If you factored out all the posts Thor has made anyway
I am really enjoying seeing the Logic at work, pinning people down, forcing them to take stock of what is going on. Of course at this stage it is as likely pinning those who are innocent as those who are guilty, but nonetheless it is providing plenty to talk about.
I hope you don't get night killed Thor, you're providing a great deal of forward momentum for the group.
Ferrett is reading as either massively unhelpful or someone trying to confuse the issue. I don't agree about there being nothing to choose between Vulkan and Drk_O, since I see Drk_O as being a sensible and useful member of this group so far, whilst Vulkan has changed since Mekboy's death. But we all see different things from similar events. The arguing against having to get involved was just a bit useless.
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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch
Can we just get on with it really? Its the last day of the week, if no one will do what needs be done than I will.
UNVOTE: Drk_O
VOTE:Vulkan
If he's a townie, well I'm sorry but you'll have narrowed down the suspect list.
Drk_O this next day phase I feel as though I would be doing you a disservice if I didn't hound Ferret for the things I have hounded you for, he's going right up on my suspect list next to you.
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Post by: Gornall
The votes are in and Vulkan is officially lynched and may no longer contribute to the conversation.
The survivors may continue to discuss amongst themselves while I write up a quick story post.
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Post by: Gornall
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End of Day 1: Story Post
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In this metal coffin, surrounded by thousands of miles of polluted, brackish water, madness was beginning to take hold. With Stynier's final vote, the pent up stress and fear finally had an outlet.... Vulkan.
Vulkan stands there frozen, a blank, hollow stare on his face as he stares into nothingness. After the disaster of the morning, he had started breaking down, and as more attention turned to him as a suspect, his withdrawl into himself accelerated.
The group advances on the catatonic Vulkan, bloodlust in their eyes. If anyone is to survive this nightmare, sacrifices must be made. The survivors knock Vulkan to the floor, kicking him, and pummeling him with their fists. Even as the first blows begin to land, Vulkan doesn't make so much as a sound. Each blow becomes stronger and stronger, as any hesitation quickly fades. Within a few moments, Vulkan is hardly recognizable beyond a broken, bleeding body, his blood mingling with the leaking water on the floor. The beating continues long past Vulkan's death... he's little more than a punching bag for everyone to vent their frustration on.
Slowly, the survivors come to their senses, and survey the terrible consequences of their wrath. Vulkan hadn't fought back, hadn't tried to defend himself, hadn't done anything that a genestealer would have done when cornered... he simply had died:
Vulkan was a loyal Imperial Citizen!!!! 
With the knowledge that they had mercilessly beat an innocent, defenseless man to death, the survivors retreated to their quarters to pray that their dreams are not haunted by their actions... and that they do not wake to find themselves facing a similarly gruesome death....
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Night Phase 1:
Please everyone send me your Night Phase Actions before 6:00 PM EST on Tuesday. If night actions are sent earlier, then I will start the next day phase before then. Also, feel free to send me PMs with guesses of the culprits and whatnot, so I can have a private chuckle at what everyone is thinking and so you can show everyone that you "knew it all along!" (I won't reply to any of them, simply to avoid giving out any sort of tells)
Friendly reminder, don't PM anyone during the Night Phase unless your role specifically allows it.
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Post by: Vulkan_He'stan
ooooowwwww you fools on my death bed I say............
KILL THOR
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Post by: Drk_Oblitr8r
Vulkan_He'stan wrote:ooooowwwww you fools on my death bed I say............
KILL THOR
I suspect Vulkan, thy bed he speaks does not exist!
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Post by: shas'o vera
Drk_O, how would you know such a thing?
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Post by: Drk_Oblitr8r
Are we, or are we not, underwater? I beleive it would indeed be too soggy to be of much use, or working order for very long.
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Post by: Fifty
((It is still night time, guys))
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Post by: Gornall
It is indeed still nighttime. As a reminder, no one is to post in this thread until it transitions back into the day phase NTL 6 PM EST on Tuesday. Anyone still having remaining night actions must get them in to me before that time.
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Post by: Gornall
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Beginning of Day 2: Story Post
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You spend the long night wide awake, imagining every creak and drip to be the sounds of the genestealers coming to murder you in your sleep. Even when the complex is mercifully silent, your thoughts are haunted by the actions at the close of the previous day. Eventually, the shift change signal indicates that it's time to leave your quarters and return to the mess hall to face another perilous day. As the group gathers, you hope to find some comfort in the face of the claimed Inquisitor, as if anyone could stand against the might of the devious Xenos, it would be him. However, he never arrives in the mess hall. With heavy hearts, you open the door to his quarters to find him gagged and tied to his bed, a soaking-wet cloth on his head. Above him, a leaky pipe slowly drips water onto the cloth. You realize that it probably took all night for him to slowly and painfully drown alone in the dark...
Ironically, you find a book under his bed titled "Imperial Interrogation Techniques".
Not_U was an Inquisitor 
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Day 2 has begun. With 10 Alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Let the games begin again.
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Post by: Thor665
That ranks up there as one of the meaner deaths I've seen in a Genestealer game, nice fluff.
Okay, first order of the day for me is consideration of the Vulkan wagon. There was without a question scum on it as Vulkan was a tasty enough option.
I personally also believe there is a fair chance scum was on the Drk_O wagon as well (unless I was right about Drk_O and he is scum, in which case both scum are probably on the Vulkan wagon)
The Vulkan Wagon: Dark_O, DDRE, Not_U, BishopGore, Lord Loss, Thor665, Brother Stynier.
Looking at that list I will rule out myself, since I know my role, we can also rule out our dearly departed Inquisitor.
My reads on both Lord-Loss and BishopGore are that they are town and that I don't really suspect them at this point - does anyone have an opinion about this?
That leaves;
Dark_O (claimed second desired lynch as shas'o)
DDRE (claimed second desired lynch as shas'o - and included that 'I think Drk_O is scum commentary)
Brother Stynier. (Drk_O as second lynch - well, first really)
Could each of you restate why you were voting for Vulkan?
I'd like to point out that both DDRE and Drk_O were selling shas'o (a wagon I'm quite against) as their second favorite wagon and now we have the connection between DDRE and Drk_O through DDRE's weird commentary near the end of Day 1.
Also, sadly enough, n0t_u's death suggests either we have no Doc or that the Doc is an idiot who thought he was smarter then he was when he didn't protect n0t_u.
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Post by: the_ferrett
Okay, I can logically admit you have a point if you were to make these assumptions. But then again that assumes that all the genestealers were working in concert. A good stealth would be for LL, Bishop or yourself to be highly pro-town and guide the group while the others worked on claiming innocents or pro-town roles.
Between the two that you suggested I'd be more likely to believe in DDRE more than Drk_O though. Is there any secondary proof to back up this logic?
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Post by: Thor665
Well, I have my previously stated scum suspicions on Drk_O which you tend to dismiss.
Why would you believe it is more likely that DDRE is scum?
Also, what is your logic for LL or BG to be scum (I think I've heard everything you have on me, but if you have anything new I'd love to hear that too)
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Post by: the_ferrett
I'm just using logic. The more 'pro-town' you are the more you are in the spotlight directing the questions, essentially LL or BG could keep themselves safe by drowning themselves in attention.
DDRE is more suspicious to me based on his relative silence.
And yes, I realise that what I'm saying is middle ground posting is the least guilty looking based on my experience.
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