Got the new WD and was really excited to find out about the 40k planetary empires! Those small map tiles will be PERFECT for mapping out Rhisienne and tying the troops and units to different regions and inspiring basing and look etc.

After successful ending of Jade Vessel (report coming in a few days), a 40k campaign is looming in the horizon anyway.

Love the standing stone. Really good so far man.

I can honestly say this is one of the most impressive projects I have come across. The conversion work is top grade and on top of that your a master painter. The Valyrie looks amazing, I really like the battle damage on it.

I am definately going to keep an eye on this one.

I believe the Scenery piece is "Cathedral Ruins" by Armorcast. Awesome job dude.

Thanks lads.

The Ruin bit is from Hasslefree Miniatures.

Dune Twists - I managed to get 6 of the 9 solar worshipping, guerilla acting, Dune Twists ready for the final rag tag greenstuffing phase yesterday. Some really sweet poses in the mix and they are all true individuals. Here's to hoping the entire army has no repeat poses or two models who look the same. Apart from Aphariuses of course

Today, I finally made up my mind and gave myself permission to use metal miniatures in this project. Initially I wanted plastic only, but then the new IG metals are gorgeous, and finally:

New Straken looked mighty fine, and this guys is pure ace!



Now, there it is decided, my Legion project is going to use metal models after all!

The new IG metals are some of the best GW human models ever. I almost get Winged Vampire moments with the latest batch. I'm quite excited about this new possibility and also to do a few minor conversions and let the painting alone to do the talking.

Yes the new Harken(I think he is called)model looks awesome.Someone in the "news and rumours" section commented on what a perfect heavy he would make for Necromunda.Anyways I can't wait to see what you do with him and any other IG metals you decide to use.

23/September/09 Mig’s Legion goals for August:

Between friends we have the habit of listing out monthly goals and marking the achievements by turning the - into a +. I have been fairly disciplined and productive after getting back from the UK a year ago, and now that the end of short scandinavian summer is imminent, the long dark evenings will soon be utilised for grand schemes in the Legion road map.

Plans for August include:

finish converting and painting all 9 twists and their lead agent.

- paint Alpharius in desert gear.

- finish converting enough men for the Raging Bulldons command squad.

- finish painting the last of my great FW scenery buildings. Already started on this. After finishing, I will start working on the GW table, should I be able to acquire it for Rhisienne. I will use a new color + pigment mix to finish the "base" level/edge of all my FW buildings to match the new table finish. I have very ambitious plans for terrain, as even with the waaaayyyy old table and our incoherent mix of terrain, the games are already looking pretty cool.

- buy the new Leman Russ and Landing pad kits, and a host of metal character models for September. And prepare to do a second troop choice for gaming legal army

Wow,seems like you are going to have a busy month.Lets hope that nasty thing called real life doesn't get in the way.Can't wait for more of your stuff.

Still planning on coming over for GD as well mate?

Sounds like once heck of a challenge you have set yourself this month! Really looking forward to seeing you meet it.

Cheers,

Dante

GD is a huge question mark at the moment. I had been hoping for some of the other fins and some of the americans to travel as initially suggested, but if that isn't going to happen, traveling and staying at Bham alone is less appealing. I could as well come to Scotland to meet you and see places I haven't seen before than watch at the jungle that is Games day and go back home...when home is thousands of miles, tons of carbon emissions and several hundred euros away

Somehow winning more demons doesn't motivate me much - I do my minis, because I love it and winning a gd was fun and unique experience I had been thinking about since childhood.

I see a bromance developing,haha!'


Anywho how big is the gang going to be(the =I= munda one I mean)?

Dante is so hot

The gang will be a fluid affair, I think in many ways, I will have lot of gangs in the army. For example, the Desert Alpharius, the Agent and a few select Twists = instant =I=munda

I see.Well hope that and your bromance goes well!

migsula wrote:Dante is so hot

The gang will be a fluid affair, I think in many ways, I will have lot of gangs in the army. For example, the Desert Alpharius, the Agent and a few select Twists = instant =I=munda

Shucks! It's true, I am .

All kidding aside, having not yet won my own demon I am quite keen to give it a shot. I guess as a figure painter you have to at least try it once. I agree it is a little disappointing that more of the crew aren't planning on attending anymore. I think Jakob is still keen though is he not?

On topic:

Have the twists had much more conversion work done on them since we last saw them? Looking forward to seeing how the desert group turns out!

Cheers,

Dante

The twists have had quite a bit more conversion work on them. I think the going is pretty nice, each and everyone very different and I made most of them much more upright, so the few sneaky ones look extra feral. I'm not sure if some of the heads look too feral though, I may try to do something about that with GS. When I get back from Stockholm, I'll add some gs rags and take pics for you guys.

Getting back to the models tomorrow, with my head full of new ideas. It will be hard to decide whether to paint or gs stuff, but I'm resolved to finish the Twists before doing other studd.

Can't wait for it mate, the twists were always my favorite part of this whole project, the amount of character that you can convey with them is actually astounding. I'm also loving the OTT basing, and the posing of those new Guardsmen. It's really very human and quite shocking to see, you can mix kits like nobody else

Stay safe

sA

Ooh I can't wait to see some new stuff. Oh and i vote painting

Those guardsmen on that base look awesome a real touch of humanity coming through.

30/July/09 Lawrence of Arabia

From the dunes they strike - the twists will very soon get primer. I’m starting to feel quite up-beat about this project army scale. Looking forward to making some army lists soon and enjoying that side of things, which has always been a big slice of hobby fun for me. The new dex has so much count as potential. The twins will be Marbo, the Desert Alpharius fits Colonel Straken perfectly, which means I need to do some command squad/melta gun twists too! The gatling cannon Operator I already did will make perfect Harker, and a rag tag squad of legion agents will be his devils.

Speaking of devil, I have a devilish plan for Alpharius paint. I intend to paint him like the others, then apply chipping mask and repaint in desert camo +dust coating, and then chip out the original legion armour. Very ambitious and potentially too difficult, but could end up something really really fitting and realistic.

Soon.

I like the plan for Alpharius' armour a lot. That would be tremendous or a complete shambles, the way you do things probably the former

I love the twists, as ever. They're so characterful, deadly, and sinister.

sA

Agreed with the above,can't wait for more.

The idea on the new Alpharius sounds very promising and the twists are looking great! What more could a viewer ask for

You truly are the master of =I= munda here migs. For all your gangs my jaw just dropped.

I look forward to seeing your newest gang completed.

Well done!! Keep up the good work!

Cheers,

Jack.

Another brilliant =][=munda thread! This stuff is killin' me!

Wowzers. I've been asleep at the switch to miss this for so long. OTOH, if I were waiting real time for these installments, I'd want to kill you. Great work. Awesome colors and conversions.

Thanks guys!

Mannahnin, so good to see you sir! Wonderful to see some of the old cats around now and then.


As for updates - Ready for primer!

I made a real direction change at the last moment, thinking of army lists and =I=munda action, I wanted more special kit and individuality in - and since I intend to use Alpharius as count as Straken, this is now his command squad (heavy famer and plasmagun), with two bodyguards (the goggles guy + the agent), Astropath (shaman) and Naval Officer (totem bearer, still working on the totem, to incorporate some sinister tech). I will highlight the indviduality of the advisors with paint too. subtle, but distinctive.

All of them have tons of grenades, knives, water and other useful kit that doesn't show from the front (nor those the level of crookedness, so remind me to take pics from all angles when done)

Sweet! Now paint them!

Cheers,

Dante

My sentiments exactly ^



sA

i agree with what everyone thinks about your work .... simply amazing with a slight tinge of jealousy

The mutant command squad

Looking nice,coming along very well.Hope to see a coat of paint on 'em rather soon.

Very good work as usual, I love the little details and individuality of each twist.

They remind me of the artwork used in the =][= rulebook of various mutants with an archaic mish-mash of weapons and gadgetry (always a good thing in my books).

I fainted

A new course for the feast! Love seeing the new stuff. I really like the way your changes bring a 40K/Inquisitor/Necromunda/mutant vibe to the ghoul models. Very characterful and very distinct.

2/August/09 Evil weird vs. Funny has no place


Thanks for the comments! I was discussing some of the choises and thoughts behind this lot and thought I'd explain a bit here as well.

The Shaman is the eyeless guy.

I wanted to keep them as feral, native, almost animalistic looking things, and emphasize the fact they move at night, WHILE avoiding Alpharius looking like he was inspired by their gear or wise versa - hence no more shawls and goggles look! I also have a specific plan on painting the eyes, so those of them who have them need to show them. The one who has the turban, is the second BG and he also has a kroot shoulder armour, like the agent to mark him out as one

The palmtree camo was a deliberate challenge. These things end up humorous because the overall finish fails to convey a certain evil. If you do it right, the effect is twice as vicious. Like the yellow rain boots on "Ghost" of "Shaddes offe Greye".

I also want to try painting shadow as a very strong, stylistic effect - the leaves blocking out the moon light was a brilliant opportunity.

uh oh - August looking pretty busy with a bunch of traveling - but I still intend to do some serious work. Just heard that the Realm of Battle board has arrived!! I intend to use it to build a brand spanking characterful Rhisienne table that can stand for several of the areas on the planet.

Migsula,

I've spent more than an hour wandering through this thread, and it has to be the most jaw-dropping I have seen so far!!!

Your mutants are definitely tainted and wicked, your Alpharius'es are pure gems, and the Effrit cell is a marvel...

I think I won't be able to resist buying some Ghouls for many of my long term projects... Thanks for the idea!!!

I agree with you when you say Fantasy models should see more use in 40k projects... I'm using Flagellants parts for some IG right now, and they fit perfectly with the dark mood of the 41st millenium...

All in all, congratulations for all your work, I'll be keeping an eye on this thread for sure!!

Cheers,

They are sooooo evil. Nice work

These are, officially, the most beautiful models I have ever seen! And they're used in games, too . I would love to be able to paint to that standard, so do you have any tips and hints?

Thanks lads!

Horus Aximand - I think this whole Blog is in many ways about hints and tips I've even tried taking step by step shots of painting process at times and will continue to cover all manner of topics from inspiration to finish!


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10/August/09 Imagery concerns of the narrative nature.
(part 3 or so I think, having discussed similar issues as part of this and the Shaddes Offe Greye project too)

It with the what, why and how mantra that I approach my model making - like cooking, design, or even my sports activities. I always want to understand why and consider the triumvirate, usually in this particular order an easy mapping for “better” and more meaningful.

I’ve edited a small comment made to a good friend and one of the most talented hobbyists out there, with whom I like to spar things. He’s quite technical, scarily skilled and I think there’s a great deal of mutual respect between us. Yet as he tries to perfect his technique, I try to collect courage to forget about technique, and do everything to create emotional impact. There’s obviously no right or wrong here, but like I’ve stated in the past, if we are to see this as an art form, we certainly need to study a lot of different or lateral options on how we go on about it. And I don’t mean which brush brand you use.

So if you find yourself really enjoying the ramblings of this blog, or are curious to know, why this models might end up like they do - why I state my models will fight under moonlight in the beginning of the whole project - do read on. Otherwise, wait for the next batch of pics due in this weekend or so and hopefully they won’t disappoint.

But I know from the past that 75% of people just don't want to know or bother with extra consideration - period - they ask, or say, but really they don't - and it's sometimes hard to read online which is the case. One is free to initiate the discussion in his own blog, but to question the use of someone else’s reasoning, or indeed pose the question, “why” is very challenging.

I think miniature painters in general, but the awarded elite in particular are supremely concentrated on technique to improve and to "get" where you want. Better flow, better blend, better paint, smaller retinas, more breathtakingly tiny reflection in them etc. It's like the camera.

Only it isn't, because with Miniatures, we are in a tricky area, we cannot paint the surroundings, or choose the light that falls on them at the time of "judging" or viewing - yet we somehow need to convey the world they inhabit, the emotion, that drama the suspense... all by just painting the miniature. To me a lot of what is generally considered awesome in miniature standards, fails to do this totally. Yet it is very obvious even to an untrained eye, how much emotional kick can something like light source paint effect create - everyone absolutely adored those stalking Lictor, or burning stake dioramas from few years past.

It can be a very good idea to start a project with a collection of mood imagery and references outside of the miniature world. It gives you that leverage that incentive to go after something more than flawless execution that might not really serve a purpose.

Now, this is quite disturbing, eh? It was hard to read the text above even, without looking at the image the moment you scrolled down and it was even partly visible.



Would it actually benefit from all of Joker being rendered perfectly, in an accurate image!?!?

That to me is the core question we face.

AND IF they had no translucent glass to play/write on with, like a miniature might not have, what would you change/do to carry the same impact!?

Or how would you convey a moment, a direction and light - there is always Caravaggio for gothic contrast from a limited palette - on a miniature?



TBC

Errh...

I think you made your point... And I totally agree with you... It's no surprise dioramas appeal to us that much, for what makes us delve into The Hobby is much more than the minis by themselves, it's the background, history and emotions that they convey...

So thanks for putting what most of us (I guess) feel into words... I hope a lot of Dakkaites will take heed....

Cheers,

Raphaël

I think that post should be made mandatory reading for anyone who really takes the painting and modelling aspect of our hobby seriously.

It certainly opened my eyes to an aspect I think I've been aware of for a time, but never truly grasped with both hands or put enough consideration to.

I think this will be getting printed and put on my painting desk as a reminder.

Looking forward to the pics this weekend too!

Cheers,

Dante

Dante said everything I was going to say Especially the printing it and putting on my painting desk part

Migs,

Read your post then walked away for awhile, let it mull over in the back of my mind whilst working on some graphics.

I'm quite sure we covered the conflict between technical miniature painters and the emotive modeller. To be frank, I've felt more impact from a well painted conversion than any single GD entry.

It's like comparing a Caravaggio to a Degas. The former shows serious technical skills in producing near photo realistic results, the latter? Emotive, luminescence.. there's energy on the canvas, it's an expression of what the artist sees.



When I read about your intentions for the Twists.. I understand the need to control your palette and lighting, not unlike this Renoir I came across whilst hunting an image of Degas' Ballerina. You can see he wanted to capture motion of the scene but also convey the summer lighting, which gives us a sense of a relaxed early afternoon, even the palette choice aids this feeling;



If it wasn't for the light playing on the subjects.. this would be a pretty ordinary scene. If you want to consider miniature painting as art, which I feel is more accepted in Europe than elsewhere, one has to refer to these examples as a fairly visual way to reiterate your point, but show like the Joker above, that the more powerful is the emotive, not the technical. (Ferrari vs BMW? ... well, 135i Coupe me thanks! )

I do agree, and really encourage, modellers start their projects with a defined vision, and execute it emotively. I'm well over this cold, technical painting I've seen on the circuit these days. If the sheer energy and inspiration of the varied skill levels developing models for =I=Munda and all the variations about the forums don't get this across.. I really don't know what will.

All that said, I still have a hard time being emotive with my own painting, I like to define elements of the model.. so just like above you could compare any one of your Alpharius to my Scythes' Stavus, and you can see a marked difference in artistic approach. I mostly try to get some mood across via the pose and components of the model.

Interesting stuff..
~ Tael.

EDIT : Did you edit in that Caravaggio comment?? I swear it wasn't there when I read your post hahaha.. at least we're on the same wave length.

Tael, I edited the pic because it wasn't working. But the text was there

The Ballerina piece is a great example! Thanks for sharing.

I like to use "Goodbrush" as a reference a lot. His work being so current, digitally produced and somewhat futuristic and gothic, it's easy for people to get the point.

http://www.goodbrush.com/

HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!

Aye indeed, I have FlyBoy and Jungle Knight in my inspiration folders. Though obtained via random rather than through the website.

Lovely stuff. Particularly his mecha.

Await the results of your thoughts being put to brush upon the Twists!
~ Tael.

Your post has given me alot of thinking to do.Most of what I feel however Dante said.Lovely work,can't wait for more.

Back home - first to the gym and then some treatment on the dune twists. I want to have the whole squad and their lead agent painted by the end of the weekend, so I can move on to trying to do crazy things with the desert chipping Alpharius man.

Ahh migs your so mean. Stop teasing me like this it's killing me Just kidding looking forward to it Migs.

Just some comments of a disagreeable nature; I hope you don't mind. It seems you want people to write something and not just look at the pretty photos.

migsula wrote:
I’ve edited a small comment made to a good friend and one of the most talented hobbyists out there, with whom I like to spar things. He’s quite technical, scarily skilled and I think there’s a great deal of mutual respect between us. Yet as he tries to perfect his technique, I try to collect courage to forget about technique, and do everything to create emotional impact. There’s obviously no right or wrong here, but like I’ve stated in the past, if we are to see this as an art form, we certainly need to study a lot of different or lateral options on how we go on about it. And I don’t mean which brush brand you use.

The bolded part is where you have created a false dichotomy. You right term would probably be Unconscious competence whic need a lot of practice until the relevant skills become second nature which would be akin to the forgetting about technique part. If you were really to forget about technique you could start by poking your miniatures with the wrong end of a brush and see what happens.

I think miniature painters in general, but the awarded elite in particular are supremely concentrated on technique to improve and to "get" where you want. Better flow, better blend, better paint, smaller retinas, more breathtakingly tiny reflection in them etc. It's like the camera.

Well, yes, and no. And I won't touch the camera comment because there is a huge pile of discussions like photorealism versus realism versus hyperrealism, art versus not art, too easy versus it also need skill, that curiously tend to explode if one gets near them.

But to the point: The reliable execution of advanced techniques is needed because some traditional ones do not work on miniatures. When it comes to optical mixing there is more or less only glazing and washing, and to some degree underpainting. Thickly applied paint is at most used for weathering and has nearly no other application on a scale that small. A traditional (often much bigger) sculpture does not need to be rendered as it has a certain size that works with natural light to create highlights and shadings while a traditional painting needs highlights and shadings to imply a form that is not only two dimensional. Miniature painter need to work with both of these problems (and scale). A big amount of techical skill and attention to tiny details (and a lot of frustration) is just a prerequisite for good work in this medium.

And just because something moves from the realist representational towards the abstract does not mean that there is no need for a strong foundation and knowledge.

There are a lot of technically high quality miniatures that stop at this point. But if you look at the best (although a very subjective topic) miniatures then you will find a lot of them include varius storytelling elements, be it little conversion that add a certain charm or a base that includes the miniature instead of creating this feeling of the two being two seperate elements that just happen to be glued together by accident. And when it comes to colour there are various options, from implying different types of lighting or grisaille-like monochormatic colour palettes to affect the mood.

Only it isn't, because with Miniatures, we are in a tricky area, we cannot paint the surroundings, or choose the light that falls on them at the time of "judging" or viewing - yet we somehow need to convey the world they inhabit, the emotion, that drama the suspense... all by just painting the miniature. To me a lot of what is generally considered awesome in miniature standards, fails to do this totally. Yet it is very obvious even to an untrained eye, how much emotional kick can something like light source paint effect create - everyone absolutely adored those stalking Lictor, or burning stake dioramas from few years past.

Miniature painters finally "stole" source lighting from cinematgraphy/film but in the end you still need to know what you are doing (technical foundation) to create that effect. Like I wrote above, it is not either/or but use one to create the other.

Would it actually benefit from all of Joker being rendered perfectly, in an accurate image!?!?

That to me is the core question we face.

And to me it is not the right question. The poster shows a lot of techique and knowledge, not the lack thereof. The focus is on the foreground and the text (the Joker's motto and the film credits/identity). The Joker himself is in the middle distance with Gotham city in the background. The composition directs you and is nicely designed. There is no lack of technique, just a lack of sharpness in some elements.

Technique is not just about chromey bling perfection and sharpness as your post somewhat implies. It can be a sledgehammer brutally applied to get the desired effect, and is not just some abstract hunt for perfection.

And what techique could be used on miniatures to create a similar effect?
It depends. For the high impact of the first read you will need a contrast that disrupts the rest of the miniature or diorama. Something that wants attention and doesn't share it happily. High chroma/value (while the rest is of lower chroma/value), bigger size (while the rest stays small), different texture (if everything is in a toxic, bloody, and destroyed wasteland give the focus a clean oasis amidst all the carnage). Something like that could take the place of the text in the poster as the main focus of the first read. The next part would be the blurry Joker. In a diorama that would be the scondary characters, lighting conditions and other major elements secondary to the focus gizmo, or in an individual minature the base and some major equipment (for example). The city in the background would comparable to all these little tiny details, like a band-aid, a quirky element in the pose that is only visible from a specific point of view, and other minor elemenets that support/twist the main narrative element to your need.

Edit: Totally forgot that: Rally great work on your Incromunda gangs, the wall of text above disagreeing with you on this topic doesn't mean that I don't like your work.

your art is striking Migsula i must say, i really do enjoy it immensely.

(and yes art because thats what it is.)

Excellent work as always Migs, and I really appreciate the discussion of your thought process and approach.

I do tend to agree more with Mario, however, when it comes to the subject. Perhaps mainly because I really love renaissance art, though I can't spell it to save my butt. However, I think the dichotomy stems more from the order and progression of skills, both in history and individuals, than any true dichotomy.

It seems to me, in my humble, non-art student way, that the first step most people and most art history, has taken is ever towards skill and accuracy. As Mario describes, without technique to get a certain color or shape when desired there can be no transition from mind to medium. I can not express a sad girl holding a bolter in the snow if I can not draw something resembling a female, a bolter or snow.
After we learn to do such representation, we then learn to better choose what to represent. We realize what elements of the reality of said sad snow shooter sheila really click with our emotions and conception of the scene. We find that a five word alliteration, even though each word describes well enough the scene, really is jarring and annoying. We gain skill in choosing important elements, perhaps playing up the eyes and the tear splashes on the bolter, and play down the blemish on her cheek.

However, this often gets artists into trouble. Learning that humans respond to light and other notable features in a scene before soaking in details, they often consider the previous details unecessary or even childish, a lower form of "art." But just as the skills we learn as children are very important to our adult lives, that technical detail is important as well. Art that is striking upon first glance and really conveys the feeling of the moment is good. Art that does that, and then keeps displaying further detail and stories within as you examine it is better still.

So, anyway, that is my take on things. Personally, I think you have gotten so deep into unconscious competance that you do not realize just how skilled you are technically. Your ability to put a concept into plastic and paint is far beyond what any art student in another medium would be able to accomplish by picking up a pile of bitz and being told "have at it."

Mario wrote:Just some comments of a disagreeable nature; I hope you don't mind. It seems you want people to write something and not just look at the pretty photos.

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The bolded part is where you have created a false dichotomy. You right term would probably be Unconscious competence whic need a lot of practice until the relevant skills become second nature which would be akin to the forgetting about technique part. If you were really to forget about technique you could start by poking your miniatures with the wrong end of a brush and see what happens.
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Edit: Totally forgot that: Rally great work on your Incromunda gangs, the wall of text above disagreeing with you on this topic doesn't mean that I don't like your work.

Firstly, thanks for the reply Mario! I really appreciate it. Would be really nice to see some of your work too! Puts the discussion into so much more of a useful context.

My post is in NO WAY intended as a "fact", but a specific point of view of a personal journey that I hope makes people think - I think yours is the same?

I obviously disagree with some of what you are saying and even disagree that we actually disagree in parts, where I feel you just want to use another wording or to read my post in a manner that lets you describe it as black and white, or somehow dismissive of "skill" - which it isn't. I certainly do not look down on technique, when I've spent all of my time trying to get technically as adept as possible.

"Unconscious competence" to me is missing the point and as narrow a definition or a false dilemma, I really do not mean unconscious competence in my writing! - while I agree that it is achievable and important in a lot of things - take sports for example, like in figure skating. It's a good example actually, because it combines sport and art. There are some great painters who started doing some of their best work when losing some of their eye sight for example. That's a clear technical limitation, "less competence if you will" that has led to a very meaningful and different result.

In my personal opinion intention - even through an accidental process is crucial. If a technique becomes a given, to me it really leads to mannerism and stale, not some greater level of creation where I don't need to think of technique. Again, different to sports, when I play basketball, I don't think what I do next, it just happens through Unconscious competence.

So why do we have so little intentionally different approaches at the perceived top of our hobby?? Because large majority of those who have P&M ambitions of being significant in this field have technique as goal number one?

I don't know, but I intend to study a different path, deviating from my path towards the technical perfection, because I feel there can be more meaningful results else where. I welcome all different opinions and really want to underline - that ideally, we'd see them also as new blogs with work to go along the opinions. That would be truly interesting and beneficial to dakka as a community.

I do not see anything as a black and white question. It's a spectrum of grey, where I choose to make personal "positions" that even significantly change through time and experience. My previous project, "The Shaddes offe Greye" were a manifestation of consideration to this issue.

Thanks,

migs



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So, anyway, that is my take on things. Personally, I think you have gotten so deep into unconscious competance that you do not realize just how skilled you are technically. Your ability to put a concept into plastic and paint is far beyond what any art student in another medium would be able to accomplish by picking up a pile of bitz and being told "have at it."

Nicely written take at that, and highlights the majority opinion, I am sure. And thanks for the compliment.

I think my reply to Mario also replies to your post. But if it still remains somehow elusive, please let me know and I try to expand it.

Obviously we are at a level where we discuss: good + ? = great. So I take good craftsmanship/skill as a given. And not even the greatest artists or critics have ever totally agreed. My favorite definition is "Art is art and everything else is everything else", but it's fun and educational to try an frame an informed personal opinion.

I have to agree this thread has become very awesome for like minded painters , it has brought together most of the more active painters on here with ideas to mesh together .

migsula wrote:
Firstly, thanks for the reply Mario! I really appreciate it. Would be really nice to see some of your work too! Puts the discussion into so much more of a useful context.

Sorry I have no camera, and have not painted stuff in a few years. The last time was roughly when the new Grey Knights were releases.What year was that?
[edit]I just remembered this: Rackham were still making excellent metal miniatures at that time.

My post is in NO WAY intended as a "fact", but a specific point of view of a personal journey that I hope makes people think - I think yours is the same?

Actually I just picked the points of your post where I could complain the most. That makes for a livelier discussion than if our opinions were to asymptotically converge towards some point and a bunch of "I agree" posts would be boring.

In my personal opinion intention - even through an accidental process is crucial. If a technique becomes a given, to me it really leads to mannerism and stale, not some greater level of creation where I don't need to think of technique. Again, different to sports, when I play basketball, I don't think what I do next, it just happens through Unconscious competence.

That is, I think, were we are agreeing very much. Things like "one trick ponys" or people who focus on one element/technique exclusively. Although I would say that the same exists in sports too. In Basketball a player who, for example, is only good for rebounds and practically useless at any eveything else, or a little more generic example would be a tennis player who excells at one court type while more or less failing on any other court type.

So why do we have so little intentionally different approaches at the perceived top of our hobby?? Because large majority of those who have P&M ambitions of being significant in this field have technique as goal number one?

Because techique is a good foundation and you can see if a "top painter" is really good or just aping a bunch of techiques like a mindless brush machine (see (SE)NMM craze). And the funny thing is that it started with NMM (and was ridden to death) as a very specific form of to zenithal lighting (i.e. on metal parts) as well as source lighting which again led away from the whole idea of using highlights and shadings simply to emphasise the form and as an useful storytelling device.

You posted a link to Craig Mullins home page. His work (and brush economy), especially in his looser work, shows very much his mastery of techniques. The work of John Singer Sargent is one of his big influences (and it still shows in his brushwork, be it traditional or digital). In contrast with that you could put airbrush artist (non-miniature) that work on perfect renderings with a lot of templates and end up being prisoner of their own skills on the side of "technique as goal number one".

Give it some time, it's still in a growth process. Or just look around a bit more. There are painting competitions that are not GW sponsored and have more variety. These were traditionally historical competitions that in recent years added fantasy categories (also for SF material) and these have more variations as the rules are not that strict.

I do not see anything as a black and white question. It's a spectrum of grey, where I choose to make personal "positions" that even significantly change through time and experience. My previous project, "The Shaddes offe Greye" were a manifestation of consideration to this issue.

I know but I had to set up some point of view for my arguments and pinpoint your argument into something "attackable" to show another side because this type of discussion is one that repeats itself.

I think that technical excellence as an end in itself is only a local maximum. For example there was a recent (in the United States I think) Slayer Sword winner, some Forge World inquisitor with a lot off "freehand squigglies" on the robe, pants, and practically everywhere. It was probably very technical and took a lot of time to paint but did only have this one point (being technically very demanding) going for it (n my opinion).

Hello, I just read a whole bunch of your thread and I have to say that your work has really inspired me. I really am fascinated by the thin line detailing you do and the way you paint the armor on the Legionnairres.Now that I have said my piece, I now am wondering a few things. I have read the first post over and over and over, trying to absorb as much info from it as possible but I am still curious as to what the backround to this group is. Also, the different Alpharius' are different me right? Not the Primarch right? Thanks ahead.

---Ghaust Mortium

Ghaust to anyone out side of the Legion they are all called Alpharius. The legion used this tactic to psyche out there foees that would target the primarch. That is why no-one knows if Alpharius is dead or not, hope that helps

Yeah,

The Legion has been very busy operating underground - ie. swamped with work at the moment

Out of interest why did you chose Straken for the Desert Alpharius rather than Captain Al-Raheim? The latter just makes more sense to me. Or I just want to see a Shotgun wielding, cigar chomping, iron hand swinging, mean son of Alpharius one or the other!


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Oh yes and even for the technically incompetent members of this site this topic has been awe inspiring your forcing me to think about concepts, inspiration and ideas beyond the normal. Personally I find posting on the internet forces me to find out, work out and write out my unconscious and subconscious inspiration for a project which really helps. Actually thinking about inspiration works wonders. Also the idea and apparent simplicity of the dramatic basing meant I looked at it worked out how you did it and realised I could do elements as well.

Simple - look at Straken's stats He's in "power armour" and "space-marine" fit

Fair Enough guess thats logical.

30/August/09 Project considerations of the confusing kind - lateral paths: 1. artistic ambitions and 2. army scale realities.

Had a nice and welcome brake to this project and then had the opportunity to voice my thoughts and get feedback from my friends.

Every project brought into the public realm attracts critique and usually the publisher has a lot to do with the frame in which this is done.

So at this point, I’ve come to realize - that in order to actually get an army done, each and every single model cannot be a great statement of artistic intent - AND this has a lot more to do with myself than any of you and your comments that I will always welcome. I am super super harsh and ambitious about my own work and to move along, I need to loosen up a little and only occasionally really go crazy and make a point.

So with this in mind, I’m painting the Twists To add a great, characterful unit on to a gaming table .


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So, a small update. Very PIP of the Twists and new tweaks on the Obram twins. Notice the magnet mines on the base, the new pose on the right and the new "k"pattern sub-lasguns.



btw - I am now going to work on this lot until Space Hulk arrives! So the moment it does, expect another little brake as I will try to really effectively paint the content of the gorgeous new game as well as I can Challenging myself just to paint, not convert and still find a very unique look. I have a little trick and a vision in mind.

I think I said a while ago that it would be a highly ambitious (read - probably too ambitious!) to paint an army to your typical standard.

There are just too many figures and as the creative individual you are, focus and motivation can only be held for so long.

I'm glad you've decided to take a more realistic approach to the task and slacken your impeccable standards a little on some of the "grunts".

I'm sure they will still look great both up close and en-masse though.

Now where are those pics....?

Cheers,

Dante

Love the guns on the twins they look very Special Forces almost like a PPK!

CMDante wrote:I think I said a while ago that it would be a highly ambitious (read - probably too ambitious!) to paint an army to your typical standard.

I think I know what you meant, but it's not the standard that is the problem, so much as making everything an experiment. I've seen off armies to technically as high a standard as I can in the past (like a full army of biggerised, Crescent Guard marines, or indeed the TWAR). But they have been about perfecting same scheme rather than experimenting and always changing things that work in the first place.

So now I have to give myself permission to repeat and have phases of mannerism. (usually the very core of high standard)

So ironically, it's giving up of standards that is so bloody exhausting

Looking great Migsula a nice little treat after a very warm holiday!

14/March/10 Project not dead - breaking rust and then tackling new guys as individuals.

It's been tooooo long since working on this lot - the love of my modeling life. They are at the honor spot of my cabinet and I think of schemes way too wild for my time resources on a daily basis. As soon as I get some white marines done to brake the painting rust, I shall paint some of these guys individually to spice up life.

That makes me very happy to hear. Just don't stress over it :-)

16/March/10 Legion is dead - Long live the Legion! “ Tale of four gamers “

So from the beginning this project altered my perception on many things to do with modeling. I used it as a canvas for my thoughts and experience and directions were I want to go and take my “art” or what ever one likes to call it.

There were times were the project felt overbearing and way too big an undertaking - but then having returned to my older projects, the gap is vast and absolute. The old stuff up to Jade Vessel feels like nice, well converted models, compared to the Legion, my portrayal of a vision set in the 40k Imagery that just happens to use modeling as a medium.

Yesterday I was off to pick up my Crescent Guard from storage, to use in our tale of four gamers story - but having spent a few minutes with the models - well I didn’t.

The Legion it is.

I’ve come to realize that the bulk of points in this army will be armor, something I love to paint and is fairly straightforward to put together. That significantly lessens the fear of not carrying through to gaming goals.

I’ve recently purchased the Imperial Armour modeling book, and coupled with everything I learned with the TWAR project, this should lead to interesting vehicles, and I plan to add a lot of narrative detail. A lot.

Tweaking the sand twists ready and adding the final weathering detail to the Vendetta next.

Stay tuned.

So it will be an IG Armoured Company? Will you include more Alphariusses?

Looking good

Just ordered a top of the line airbrush and an automatic compressor!!!

HERE WE GO!

16/March/10 Viper


I finally finished the Viper (Vendetta, with six AA hellfire missiles instead of the two sponson lascannons)! No way the rest of the armor will copy the same process, but will be similar in style and greatly benefit from lessons learned and I always wanted this bird to be special - a legion bird.

Looking at my basing and terrain plans, I want more green hues to the main armor scheme, ironically to make them stand out a little + greens compliment the splashes of blue beautifully IMO.

Just need to splash some varnish, and get that new camera to share with you.

Glad to see you back. Now get that camera!

Hey Migs, how's it going? Oh that's nice, good to hear your wife's doing wel- GET A CAMERA!!!

Glad to see you back on modelling!

WOOO He's back! Great to read, and even better to gaze lovingly at pictures!
Hell, send me your address and I will mail you my old 3mp camera.

Glad to hear from you man

still with the old camera, and no time for comments, thought people want to see how the third Alpharius shapes up, as he will really be quite something painting project wise. Read the plan from earlier in the blog.

oh and a new larger picture canvas, in anticipation of the killer new camera.

You are one inspiring mofo... Stay on target though, I am smelling not enough hours in the day project syndrome coming on!

Would be awesome if you blogged your experience with the airbrush right from the start, to follow along as you learn everything and experiment.

Awesome stuff as always Mis -

Very Nice!!

WOW... that blue is a nice contrast to those earth tones...

how will you paint the bases? IMHO something yellowish would look great

All looks great. This was one of the logs which got me regularly visiting Dakka (actually, your Crescent Guard were another); I am happy to see some updates.

Resisting urge to go out and buy a load of stuff for a new Legion project.... Must stay on track with the Venator idea. Damm Migs your so inspiring, great work mate!

I've made significant progress! Amazing what half an hour hear and there can do if you do it daily.

I'm 90% finished with the twists and 70% with the Alpharius, with only fun stuff left to do for both! Kind of silly to be painting the Alpharius who won't feature in a long time, but hey, progress is great, and I'm already excited for what ever Legion stuff I'll do next.

pics please

I second that!

Thirded!

Fourthed?

Man, it might be too much to ask, but could you do some step by steps with an Alpharius and the air brush? I really want to see how you approach the armor in stages, as well as how you pull it off with the air brush. The whole air brush thing is sort of a forbidden and tantalizing art to me, and you are one of the few that I trust not to make them look like a wizard riding a unicorn on a rainbow in space styled on the side of a windowless van from the 80's.

Will do.

It will be a learning curve for me too, though back in highchool I spent all of my art lessons airbrushing graffiti and became quite adept I've been extensively trained by all manner of cool modeling mags and the Imperial armour though, so should pick up things pretty quick.


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Here's a quick shot, still with the old camera, of the progress. I'm shy of posting PIP these days, but you guys got me somewhere between the thirded and fourthed

As a reminder, this Alpharius gets the "black" stealth armour variant of the Legion, which will have heavily chipped desert came painted on top, peeling just enough to show enough narrative and legion markings! so quite a long way still to go. The muties still need extensive rust effects on their gear and strong dark shading to show the moonlight feel properly. I want to keep them really like a background, just a canvas for their super warrior leader. The two bodyguard models have hints of blue, and legion markings.

Woot! YAY!
So let me ask, how did you approach this? It looks like you started with a white/light grey primer, then a light spray of prussian blue, then shaded the bits in black leaving the lighter blue highlights. (The right knee looks awesome btw) Is that a correct assumption? How difficult to do you find doing the small bits with the airbrush like that?

Also, did you use a mask to get the sharp white line on the brown robed guy? Or was his robe done with a series of washes instead of the gun?

Migs, I don't know if you've already done a step by step for your Legion marines(if so, please link), but I realized I have a bunch of Termie legs and arms laying around, so I've decided I might have a go at some Biggerized Pre-heresy T. Sons, with the Vostroyans I have laying around as Prospero Spire Guard.

Just need some pointers on what you did to start.

Great to see more work on these. Whats with the Tale of 4 Gamers comment are there another 4 and are there specific deadlines?

Like a painting.. in 3d... WOW!

Llamahead wrote:Great to see more work on these. Whats with the Tale of 4 Gamers comment are there another 4 and are there specific deadlines?

Check out this: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/284367.page

some beautiful work so far, really really cant wait to see more, love the crispness of the paint finish so far too. Really gonna have to learn how to air brush soon. Any books/Mags you would recommend?

this has completely changed my beliefs on whats possible in 40k and i just have to say thank you

Cheesy enough for ya (blogs still awesome though)

CommissarKhaine wrote:Like a painting.. in 3d... WOW!

Thak you so much good sir! That is very much my purpose for this project!


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Wehrkind wrote:Woot! YAY!
So let me ask, how did you approach this? It looks like you started with a white/light grey primer, then a light spray of prussian blue, then shaded the bits in black leaving the lighter blue highlights. (The right knee looks awesome btw) Is that a correct assumption? How difficult to do you find doing the small bits with the airbrush like that?

Also, did you use a mask to get the sharp white line on the brown robed guy? Or was his robe done with a series of washes instead of the gun?

I start on white primer, and none of this is airbrushed - that is saved for the vehicles.

90% it's like painting watercolors, so using the white basecolor (paper) to do the HLs (by showing through what comes on top in thin layers) and darkening everyhting else. The final 10% is HLs, and I only use superlightgrey blue and mithril for these. As one of the running themes is moonlight, so I want the light to cast a really cold, dull sheen. Same with the metal areas. But as little HL as possible, preferably just white showing through as naturally as possible (so not always as smoothly as possible!)

Thanks for all the comments and support folks! It really keeps me motivated with the frequent updates here.

At the moment, the liquid mask is just drying! So basically the whole model is finished "just right" in comparison to the two previous guys (well, except darker stealth armour) and now on top goes the mask and then the desert scheme camo. I will then chip off the mask and finalize the model with a series of MIG pigment washes mixed with future+brown paint wash mix.

If I have the time tomorrow after work, I'm picking up the new camera

Ahh I see. I was doing something similar with my traitor boys, though using washes over a light color or gray base to get the highlights. I am still working on getting that water color look with a brush without having it flow all over the damned place. I usually get about 5-10 strokes in before I leave too much on the brush and make a
mess :(

Looks great, and I can't wait to see me!

STOP BEING SO EPIC!!!!

Nah, Just messing. Keep making me strive to be half as good!

28/March/10 the rewards of finishing stuff.

ALMOST there!

Everything didn't turn out quite as planned and I wasn't totally staisfied, but surprisingly, the end result is growing on me, despite not matching the intial plan for sand hues (I realised on the way, sand is too warm for the moon light feel, and used the base hues for the camo layer)

What feels VERY rewarding is that the finished model count for the army jumps from 6 to 16, in one smooth swing!!! well, in a few weeks of working every little moment of free time I've had anyway As ever, this rewarding time in the process is matched with the dread that something will go wrong with the Varnishing phase. Fingers and chapter symbols crossed for smooth and strong finish!

When finished with the squad, I have also finished the first batch of 500pts with models to spare, for my 500pts. I guess the rest of the allocated time (we have until the 15th of April) goes to the Campaign tiles and my last unpainted Forge World terrain piece.

It looks really great, with the Alpha Marines it must take you absolutely ages to paint them to that dark-ish finish considering you start with a white basecoat....dedication much!

Imperial Monkey wrote:It looks really great, with the Alpha Marines it must take you absolutely ages to paint them to that dark-ish finish considering you start with a white basecoat....dedication much!

It actually doesn't take that long! There are drying times of course, but other than that it goes pretty fluidly! Say 8 hours for the entire paintjob and base. What is ABSOLUTELY horrible though, is to then do the freehand markings on top, knowing that if you make a mistake, you can't fix it, as there is no way of replicating the base color effect. Thank god for steady hands and battle damage will come to rescue when future mishaps happen.

Agreed, such is the price of highly sophisticated paint jobs, BATTLE DAMAGE HOOOO!

migsula wrote:

There's now a super detailed compilation of the new rules at dakka news if someone hasn't seen it yet..

Where Where ? anyone got the link I can't find it

Mega awsome work, I've only just stumbled onto this thread, thought i'd wean myself off your work migsula, slowly withdrawing from the affections of your art, but it seems no amount of patches will keep me away, I'm addicted...

Love all the fluff and the way your trying to incorperate that in the army, but its more than just a army, like you said just paint it how you feel and see where it takes you, its better than a painting in a way, its like a portable painting where each model can move about and create a new sceen in a new frame, rather like a comic book I would say...

30/March/10 Themes within themes and conceptual dilemmas!

First I have pictures coming your way. Furthermore there is the most experimental unit I’ve ever painted, on a journey to truly “paint miniatures”, to find that area where someone like Paul Dainton creates gorgeous, raw, high impact imagery without photographic perfection. Now insert a brand spanking new camera into the equation and the dilemma is complete. Super closeups of material that is not meant to be picture perfect.

I’m not going to care. I want you to see all the detail and how I did it. The rough patches and the areas of immaculate detail, without forgetting the achieved levels of realism in weathering. I’m not 100% satisfied, but then I rarely am. What I like immensely is the overall imagery and how disticntly different he looks.

The Dune Twists and Alpharius are a theme within the army theme. The twists act as a canvas for the Alpharius, like that onslaught ow war around the hero in the painting, with the two bodyguards visually more tied to the hero. This is a unit not only operating in the same moonlight sheen, but also a narrative full of sand storms, rad showers and guerilla tactics. While there are levels to make them fit in the whole army, there are many conscious efforts to make them stand out. I’ll let you interpret the detail and story.

I’ve also taken some new sharp close ups of Alpharius and group shots of Alpharius, Alpharius, Alpharius and co. On the “Tale of four Finnish gamers”, I’m sort of ahead of the game, but as some of the Alpharius will be introduced much later on due to pt costs etc. I have plenty of work to do to stay in schedule. I tried taking pics of the Vyper (Vendetta version) but all of them sucked - so retrying later.

Enough and on to the pictures.

XX

Oh boy...you've given him an Ultramarines shoulderpad! Nice twist! I just love the weathering you've done to him, it's just...mindblowing, I'm drooling a little bit here!

How did you do it?

Stunning... I just spent half an hour of my work time looking at the minis

The weathering is great... I like how you left over just a few sparcs of his blue armor... You really can see how his armor got shaped by the sandstorms in the ash wastes... very beautyful.

Wowzer! The look and feel of these desert raiders is on the spot! I could very well imagine these guys coming out of a sand storm, all ready to spread some mayhem.

The weathering on the weapons looks superb and the paint chipping very realistic.

Our campaign armies got off a great start. Now I need to do something on my wolves to, if not to match this, at least not to put my minis in too much shame on the table beside these guys...

Stunning work.
I really like all the dirt. It reminds me of the book and how I imagined the Legion to look on the planet.

I have to say Migs you've out done yourself this time. Mind sharing your secret to painting that Desert Camo

I have to say, your minis are some of the best modeled, painted and inventive i have every seen, i really love then. The chipped camo looks great an is a great idea. I also like what looks the an Ultramarines U on his left pad.

Thank you so much guys! Really nice to hear your positive thoughts on a fairly experimental process and result.

The only non standard "trick" I've with the armor is a liquid latex mask that is stippled over the basepaint work with a sponge and the repainted over with the desert camo. I then carefully chip of the latex to reveal the base color. I will use this in some more suitable place for a tutorial type of thing and share it. (was my first time using it, so still learning)

As a side note - few comments on the "count as rules" that I will use for the campaign. (from a message to Hammer)

Thanks Marko!!

Codex IG allround +

This one is going to be Col Straken! Perfect match stats/rules-wise and hence the shotgun + plasma pistol. For home games I will pay 45pts extra to get +1ws and +2i to make him marine captain equivalent. His retinue is normal command squad, with shaman repping a psyker etc.

Heavy bolter Alpharius is Harker, home games for +15pts and power armour.

First Alpharius is Vulkan He'stan, with the army conferring abilities only affecting a squad he might join, so it should be fair.

I want them all to be individual heroes, so should I add much more, I like your suggestion a lot.


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Ultramarine insignia explanation

Good spot. I didn't want to make it the first thing one will notice, but yet something that sinks in.

The legion is really about deceit and tactical cunning, so in a universe where 99.9% have never seen a Space Marine, this guy will be a Hero of Legend (which he really is anyway you uneducated imperial fools!) - and I figured giving him the Sheriff's badge won't hurt either! I also remember some old / possible Forge World fluff about the Legionnaires posing as Ultramarines.

Does anyone know which Imperial Armor might have this fluff?? I think the one with traitor guard? which number was that?

cheers,

migs

Beautiful stuff, migsula

That fluff you're on about is in Index Astartes: Alpha Legion. Legionnaires pose as Ultramarines to outflank Guilliman before he kills 'Alpharius'

The one with that Fluff is in IA5, I'll see if I can dig it up for you Migs, what do you want to know?

I gotta say, my favorites out of the new set are definitely the twists with blue shoulder pads. The new Alphie is excellently done with the camo and the like, but I just don't find his aesthetic appealing for some reason. I guess I just don't like the desert or something. Amazing work, however. The two twists really hit the spot for me though, right where they should be I think. Lovely work!

Hey Migs I was just wondering how your going to be doing the standard guardsmen, not that they'll be anywhere near standard know you but hey Will they be, just normal Guardsmen, or full Legion Operatives, or maybe a bit between. Cheers, BT

Utterly cool you've got the whole Lawrence of Arabia vibe beautifully on the Apharius and they really do look like something from an impressionistic master work.

Its in the DoW books about them posing as ultramarines anyway! Good work tho, ithey look brilliant and the rules are perfect too

Fantastic work! Keep those pics coming.

Lol, those DoW books where so rubbish it's actually quite amusing The correct fluff is the Relic stuff according to GW. Anyways like I said it's in IA5

Absolutely awesome models man, some of the best true-scale marines I've seen in a while

Wow, I am truly stunned how the desert camo effect came out! The Vallejo liquid latex mask stuff sounds like a great tool for weathering/chipping effects.. Might give it a try sometime!

Great stuff as usual, Migs!

migsula wrote:Does anyone know which Imperial Armor might have this fluff?? I think the one with traitor guard? which number was that?

IA5 indeed, I think I sent you the fluff about a year ago? This was only about Arkos the Faithless IIRC..?
It should be somewhere in your PM inbox..

Cheers

The fluff behind the Alpha Legion posing as Ultramarines originally comes from their Index Astartes article. If my memeory serves me correctly, The Faithless (Arko's warband in IA5) disguised their heraldry to pass through the Imperial lines to reach Cardinal Xaphan.

Phew...

Anyway more on topic, outstanding work on the new Alpharius and his acolytes! A quick question (probably been asked before though), what colours / techniques do you use for the chipping and battle damage on your Legionnaires?

Sweet,

What a great start for your project! The legionnaire is the star of this update, like the two before him this guy is just awesome. The pose is great and that hanging shotgun is very nice pice of detail. And the muties are on the spot too, the big guy just stands out a bit more, but I think it's the way you wan't it

The weathering is top notch as usual. But the legionnaire's chipping camo IMO looks more painted than chipped on some parts like on the chest plate. But on some parts like the back of the legs and on the U shoulder pad the chipping looks super realistic. I am not saying it's bad, but caught my eye. Thou I am confident that you'll master this technique as well and we'll see some superb results.

Can't wait to get some painting done as well during the easter.

-cheers

Thanks for all the comments and answers to fluff location.

I'm really hoping for Plastic Storm troopers before too long (like in the spearhead book), as basis for conversion for most of my veteran squads. I will add more specialist legion operators in the mix of course. I'm buying another Empire wizard kit for example. The core retinue already has two!! I want to make that 4 and show how each look utterly different! It is such a great plastic kit.

And a new plastic Guard regiment would be equally welcome. I want to do a converted, but bulk regiment for the later stages of the campaign.

Next month are my "Rambo twins" you saw WIPs earlier. and a veteran squad. And what started as an ork trukk, now looks suspiciously like fodder for a TWIST Hydra, "Blackhawk down Somali Technical" style.

Wold that trukk be the thing I spotted in your Cresent Guard thread by any chance. (It was in the back of one of the pics) Looking forward to it!

That is the one

I've been working on the map tiles as of late. Quite a bit of fun!!! Will also have bearings on the actual terrain - this makes it fun actually. Adds much more narrative.

so my Necromunda PIP stuff will be expanded into an AM refinery and factor outskirts kind of theme, with the addition of paint and three large Oil dumps, some pipings and smaller gear. I will then have two, full, high quality terrain sets, with my FW building receiving desert touch ups when the airbrush arrives And Hammer is making a swamp themed kit! And Northen is at least painting the huge Marine castle.

Looking forward to it! I like the sound of this, on FW new board for IA8 they have some oil they heat was sending my camera funny. I only managed to get some pics at the end of the day (Open Day) when everyone had gone. Ahh I just want to it now!....

Juts got back from a hobby break and glad to see this is still going strong and looking super awesome .

Welcome back Slann!



I'm "stalling" a little, with no place to glue ATM. :lol:

I've been working on the map tiles, but now really have an urge to paint more. m you s t f i n d a w a y t o g l you e...

Weirdly, I now have three new ideas to use the empire Wizard kit. 8) I guess I just have to give in to the temptation. One is going to be a Mechanicus master, with a fighting mech built from a sentinel kit, one will be a new psyker and one a sniper.

I also need to find a moment to write a little about John Blanche and how inspirational his work truly is (despite all the matters of taste you might have, if you understand its point and truly analyze it).

and to tackle once more the dilemma to use metal minis (so far this project has been 100% plastic) as the human metals (the heads in particular) in the IG and DH range are way too nice to totally ignore!


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and I have to add, I bought the BA Codex which really is an inspirational book and a vast leap over the previous incarnation - and looks to me to be the Codex to beat now. Horrible AV13 spam with HeroHammer lords to abuse, or plenty of gorgeous and very powerful and flavorful combinations to build.

Same can be said of the Sanguinary Guard which will go into my bitz box, mostly for the dead masks!

Gah, I love the details in your bases! So much style on such a tiny platform. Particularly the lad conjuring the water jet with his left hand, how was that effect acheived?

He's actually dropping a bomb down the sewer The splash is achieved with "Vallejo Water effects" a medium that is semi-sticky and dries clear. Before that I applied GW water to create the base for the splash.

I missed him completely! What page is he on Migs?

in the middle of this pic, clicky:

How did you shape the water effect?

You never fail to please migs, it's particularly nice to create and view unique minis on top of your paintjobs. After going through my current project I can appreciate the amount of work it takes to pull this kind of project off, respect!

Ohh yep, I got him.
Great work there Migs, as on the rest of the boys in blue!

Wow, those are some fantastic looking models. They look and feel like they have been fighting without a days rest since the Heresy.

Is your Alpha legion traitor or just renegade? I couldn't really get it from the posts.

steempunk wrote:Is your Alpha legion traitor or just renegade? I couldn't really get it from the posts.

By the look of them the alpha legion marines are traitors that the heretics and traitors of whatever world they are on come to....possibly building up a rebellion, kinda like with how the fallen DA work!?! It seems like this to me anyway

The figures are brilliant tho, really nicely done but incredibly unique! Astounding work!!

Imperial Monkey wrote:

steempunk wrote:Is your Alpha legion traitor or just renegade? I couldn't really get it from the posts.

By the look of them the alpha legion marines are traitors that the heretics and traitors of whatever world they are on come to....possibly building up a rebellion, kinda like with how the fallen DA work!?! It seems like this to me anyway

The figures are brilliant tho, really nicely done but incredibly unique! Astounding work!!

What?

I don't get that at all from the models?

To me, the Alpha Legion have been loyal and still are, 10,000+ years later.

Now, their idea of Loyalty and how best to serve the Imperium of Man may differ than that of the current Powers That Be...

Indeed, according to the Books, the Alpha Legion have been shown visions of the failure of mankind unless it can be "cleansed" almost by the Chaotic powers that be. So they see themselves as loyal but the rest of the Imperium don't.

Or something like that...

Yes, what Alpharius said!

You might want to check out this discussion we've been having over at the Anargo Sector Project. Whilst a lot of it deals with how the Legion would operate in that part of the Imperium, there is also some more general stuff which might interest you and maybe give you an idea or two...

Those models look great.
Really nice modeling and painting!

Wondrous as always... I like the mutant w/ flamer, looks so creepy...

And nice bomb-dropping guy, he's awesome!!!

Cheers guys.

I did some more work on the final FW terrain piece, and have been collecting some more "oil refinery" materials.

For this months (15th of April to 15th of May) goals I have the Sly Twins and some armor and some map tiles And the Air Brush arrived And I should get some gaming with the legion at last

+ plenty of terrain work ahead through out the tale of four finnish gamers!

Will there be Terrain in this thread or have you got a seperate?
I've seen some of yours before and loved it, so I'm looking out for more you do

I'll include it here. As it's themed for the Rhisienne planet, and the map tiles I am making, so it is very much a part of this project

Ahh thank you my man!
Also, I've been looking around, but can't find any tips on painting realistic mirrored glass (I.E. visors), any tips?

So the Tale of Four Finnish games takes place on Rhisienne?

Yes, at least that is the true name of the planet, even if some Space Wolf pricks might think they are somewhere else

19th/April/10 Fluff race.

Today I realised I've been under the radar with the recent 40k RPG stuff and ordered a few books for inspiration. (Heretics handbook and the Rogue Trader main book)

I'm also slowly but surely building the first squad of Raging Bulldons and have done the bases for the Arch Magos and his Mechanical protector unit. The arch magos will be based on the Blanche art in the 5th ed book, which reminds me I've yet to write that letter of love about his work and its influence on 40k and myself.

...I wonder when I will have the time, so in the mean while, I will just say he is a genius, an inventor and a man of vision, when most of the supremely talented GW artists are just illustrators. Technically or stylistically more modern and superior as they might be - it’s like comparing ... no He is just the man.


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Disjointed Entity wrote:Ahh thank you my man!
Also, I've been looking around, but can't find any tips on painting realistic mirrored glass (I.E. visors), any tips?

I usually just look at real-life reference and paint something close. Let's see if there's an opportunity to try this.

Migs your stuff is amasing , a real insperation to anyone. On John Blanche being the man, i totally agree.

He has a brilliant way of art that is irrevocably branded as his own and we wouldn't have it any other way

This stuff is amazing, what, pray tell, is the large base for??

Imp. Monkey

Fantastic work as always Migs. It's good to see your getting some different poses in here.

I have to agree with on John Blanche. While I agree with some, that while his artwork may not look as beautiful at first as other artists. I think to truely understand the work of other GW artists, you have to look at John's work. Take the VC for example, before theree was not much to define them differently from Khemir skeletons IMO, John took that and thought up of how zombies fitted together and stuff ike that. I find that John lays down the stepping stones and other artists follow. I wish Blanche as a whole would get more credit for he has done, as to honest I think he has shpaed, and will go onto, shape the 40k and Fantasy worlds of today. To truely understand these two "worlds" is to understand what is at it's heart.

Sorry for the rant. Cheers BT.

Thanks buddy.
Alos, where do you get your basing gubbins? It always looks awesome yet I can never work it out

Imperial Monkey wrote:what, pray tell, is the large base for??

Imp. Monkey

The most sinister and outrageously dangerous Mechanicus construct of death. The smaller one linked to it is for the Arch Magos.


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Alos, where do you get your basing gubbins? It always looks awesome yet I can never work it out

Mostly from 1/35 military kits! You should find these pretty cheap, as the kit makes little difference. Just grab a few of the cheapest ones


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Bloodthirster, well said sir!

this is so cool! i love the space marines, they really look the way a space marine should!

Would love to See more!!

Aha, clever man!
Thanks for the info Migs

migsula wrote:Yes, at least that is the true name of the planet, even if some Space Wolf pricks might think they are somewhere else

19th/April/10 Fluff race.

Today I realised I've been under the radar with the recent 40k RPG stuff and ordered a few books for inspiration. (Heretics handbook and the Rogue Trader main book)

I'm also slowly but surely building the first squad of Raging Bulldons and have done the bases for the Arch Magos and his Mechanical protector unit. The arch magos will be based on the Blanche art in the 5th ed book, which reminds me I've yet to write that letter of love about his work and its influence on 40k and myself.

...I wonder when I will have the time, so in the mean while, I will just say he is a genius, an inventor and a man of vision, when most of the supremely talented GW artists are just illustrators. Technically or stylistically more modern and superior as they might be - it’s like comparing ... no He is just the man.


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Hi, those bases look great. What scale are the parts?

I've been looking for some stowage parts (rolls, barrelse, bags) for my IG tanks, but I don't know what scale to use, and with no local model shop it's kinda hard to judge from pics with no reference.

These are some I've looking at.

1:48
http://cgi.ebay.com/Verlinden-1-48-German-Military-Vehicle-Stowage-2238-/350132156463?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item518580b82f
1:35
http://cgi.ebay.com/Verlinden-1-35-Sd-Kfz-251-Half-track-Stowage-Set-2099_W0QQitemZ200280752839QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2ea1a9c2c7

Any ideas?

1/35

Migs you are truley inspiring. The level of detail that goes into all levels, of your hobbying is immense. It has to be said that someone who has the talent to enter GD events and dosn't as they prefer the flavor of working for their own satisfaction is again refreshing and good to see (for your adoring auidence anyways ).

I must say your desert weathering and sand effects are elite especially for your first true attempts. Most impressive although if i have one critic at this level is i would like to see more of the under layers of the model. I don't know wether this becasue i love looking at your beautifully painted clean minis (not that your 'textured' models are bad by any means) or that i am unsure whether in a sandstorm would the sand bind in such away to armour like that? It seems almost too clumpy to me. I don't mean to bitch about your model but at this standard there is little negative feed back people can give. It simply seems to me that the sand is bunching in palces where there are no natural nucks and crannies for the sand to hold and build up in, especially considering the moving of the character and the wheather at the same time.

Saying all that, you work is staggeringly good and i truly hope this project and your others, continues to grow at such an impressive rate and i think the simple number of hits your topics gets and the level of conversation and discussion in your threads is a testament to you. Well done Sir and all the best.

Legion will be watching their greatest Son!

Thank you sir!

I whole heartedly agree on the sand weathering issues. In retrospect, testing it out first might've been a grand idea, but it's more fun this way and the imperfections sort of lend it a charm that technically more adept solution might not. This project is about raw emotion, textures, material feels and light - in an OTT way

It has to be said that someone who has the talent to enter GD events and dosn't as they prefer the flavor of working for their own satisfaction is again refreshing and good to see (for your adoring auidence anyways ).

I entered the UK Daemon once with a piece about Einsenhorn, and was lucky enough to win gold. It was a childhood dream to get a daemon, but with that sorted I simply rather spend the traveling and other resources on the hobby or a proper holiday somewhere else than Birmingham. (Nothing wrong with birmingham though)

Well im glad to here that i am from around Birmingham

I remember that GD and In one of your other threads it came up that that was your work and from the quality i see through out your work i am not surprised as that GD definatly went to a worthy man. Anyways I know that it was your first attempt at sanding/dusting like that and dont get me wrong the result is still brilliant but i did try and say something constructive

Good luck man.

uh oh - quick update - had some drama with the map tiles (glue and varnish reacted weirdly for some of my water containing tiles), but finally they are getting some paint. That should be my next update, with May being a very challenging month for any hobby related time. (business trip to NYC and an exhibition starting 1st of June)

Migsula,
I have been following this thread for awhile and have to say that your minis are awe inspiring. It has inspired me to take up a more intense project and put the effort into making a unique force with fluff and all included.

Emperor Protects

Ditto Major.

Am in a good position in as much as I can take my time on the concept and modelling now. Not like you guys with D@*$@L*&@£S to finish by.
Boy do I not like the DL word- too much pressure!

Started following this post recently, and all I can say is WOW, most impressive. Migsula any chance of a tutorial on how you painted your Alpha Legion marines?

Disjointed Entity wrote:Ahh thank you my man!
Also, I've been looking around, but can't find any tips on painting realistic mirrored glass (I.E. visors), any tips?

I only just saw this and have a simple answer. If you have any or can find any get a Black INk (whether from GW or another source) and use this straight out of the pot over a black visor, since the ink dries gloss then it looks like a visor, you can then use Skull White to make a more realistic reflection if you want but it isn't necessary. Hope this helps.

Migs, your stuff looks great man, but we need some more pics

Imp. Monkey

Sorry for being away for so long! Real-life just took over, with our first award/major exhibition, business trips to NYC and London and too many other things. It still looks quite hectic, but hopeful

For those of you interested about product design: http://www.designforum.fi/youngdesigner2010

Anyway, hoping to get some modeling time to go with the World Cup from telly Go ENGLAND!

Thanks ImpMonkey, really helpful!
Good to see you back Migs

Yay Migs is back! On the topic of England. I'm not saying a word

We're so facepalming at the moment....

In other news, i cant wait to see what you come up with migs, your a real inspiration

Incredible stuff as usual! Can't wait to see the progress on the new stuff!

Yeah! never mind wasting your time watching that rabble
We are eagerly awaiting updates

(bouncing up and down in anticipation!!)

This is inspiring to the Nth degree, where N is an extremely large number... I'm going to have to try and make some of those left over bits of space marines i have into true scalers...

And I completely agree about Blanche. His style may be slightly alienating, but there are very few who can consistently make something that could only be their own, and could only be of a specific world, in the way that Blanche is always so clearly himself, and so encapsulates a world unlike our own...

Insane work there mate.

Still holding out for the Imperial Lada......

Hi guys,

Got some work done finally -nothing much yet, but progress on Marbo twins- but the camera is being repaired and possible replaced.

It's been a brilliant summer weather-wise, but with the cold and dark autumn ahead in a month or so, this project will heat up again. All of "tale of four finnish gamers" has been totally planks for the summer, but lets see what happens in a few weeks

Just read through the last 16 pages and boy was it worth it, love the models and background, and the paintings very impresive good job

This is incredible, inspiring work. So much character! Can't wait to see what you produce when you get back into it

Had a meeting with the tale of four finnish gamers crew yesterday (really its three of us though) and we are setting up schedules and some regime to move the project along now that the gorgeous summer is soon at an end.

As much as I want you to enjoy the weather, I find myself hoping for an early winter for you and your crew!

Hey im new to the thread so i thought i'd say amazing models and any progress on the Alpharius legion models? im currently in the planning stages of a Pre heresy true scale fluff accurate Alpha legion army for when i move to the states so any hints tips and inspiration is appreciated.

10th/August/10 At a Junction of sorts.

This week I’ve spent a lot of time discussing and thinking about this project, It's a weird situation - I absolutely love the Legion, I will do more of them, but the paint scheme is so challenging and time consuming and the concept fits better with a handful of marines. The plastic guard kits I've gone through too many times already, and the "new" Leman Russ was a HUGE disappointment to me. The things I really want to do have very little rules, the whole project having a strong =I=muna ideology. I will still add stuff to them for years to come, but until new guard infantry and a proper fun LATD style list happens, making a full army can be less rewarding than it should.

AND I want a full, fun army that I can take to tournaments too.

I would have to do a realistically scaled marine force now that I know the formula. An army that is fast and fun to paint and awesome to play with. There's one concept I love tremendously, my first proper 40k army, and part of me would really want to show my way and grown ability to interpret that concept. But it's rather crowded round Fenris ATM

So I'm thinking of doing an entire army of my artscale, terminator originating space marines - very seriously - as part of a group of design industry friends who each wish to embark on individual hobby/art project of some what crazy aspiration. We have a really suitable space were all the projects could stay ready for a weekly and serious session.

For the wolves I have an airbrush scheme that would look great and be super fast compared to Legionnaires, and all the minor gaps in converting can be covered with fur, hair, talismans, gear,.. rather than smooth power armor surface that needs to make sense. + they have a list I like tremendously. I've never ever liked any army as much as my SWs and Iron Warriors, the latter list I built like wolves with artillery. With the current list I’m confident I can do a tight, individualistic band of tough and cunning warriors - and do well with out massive numbers.

Anyway - this is one of the topics of conversation for me and my friends this week.

Sounds interesting, and quite promising

...but it also sounds like the end of the Legion, at least for now!

So are the eldar also done for now? :(

Well in any case something inspiring should come out in the end and that's all that counts. And space wolves are cool to boot.

I was bit disappointed that the lecture/discussion thing in Ropecon that you, Tube etc. were holding was at the same time with the second round of 40k tournament. I would have wanted to hear your thoughts but I was busy chasing razorbacks with my daemons. At least I got to chat some time with Northern on sunday.

Well in any case, I'm waiting eagerly for whatever is coming.

This is a sad day for the Alpha Legion.

Actually it is not. After much soul searching and hobby consideration, I will continue fully with this project and in a much more regular and productive pace come September. I will make my own rules for the time being and hope for an official LATD style list or at least an update CSM list at some point to pair with codex ig. The Alpha Legion simply is my favorite legion, storyline and project.

Jamo - next time! The Eldar are on the self, but a good starting force already and a handy project for when I need something totally different and bright to paint.

A-ha!

The power of the Legion - on display and triumphant!

Glad to see you're staying true to purpose...

For the Emperor! (Of course!)

Migsula, these have to be the wo... wors... w...

Gah! It's true! It actually IS impossible to criticise your work!

(not that I wanted the criticise it, I just had to see if it was possible, good work sir!)

Oh WOW... I just stumbled onto this thread by accident (fan of SMs) and saw the art/true-scale Marines... now I find myself looking through the pages during my lunch break at work... I'm addicted!

At first I thought you were using Inquisitor bodies, but your conversions are just... inspiring.

Kudos, man!

12th/August/10 Imperial Minerals

So, lets kick start the party again.

In the Rhisienne system, there are several formidable institutions, but none wields as much power and resources as the Imperial Minerals Extraction Alliance, the Mechanicus and thus God Emperor chartered mining and logistics operation. IMEA is the sole authority on the mineral world of Renor and the armorer of the infamous Renor Grenadiers, the famed Imperial Guard regiment raised on Rhisienne.

On Rhisienne itself Imperial Mineral has vast energy harvesters and refineries, and several remote crystal extraction bases. The bases are scattered sparsely in the equatorial plains, amidst nothing but sand storms, desolation, dune twists, and wild beasts. Such is the level of automation that only one employee, Fabricator Captain Siimon, runs the operation. Against the local hardships and any other conceivable threat he has 24 units of Mars Pattern Skitari Cyclops.

In the =I= rulebook there is a painting of mechanicus thing that was inspiring. I haven’t looked at it for years, but how I remember it was an inspiration. I wanted to build something bigger and badder though, to finally test out the spanking new airbrush. Here’s a wip picture - sans a layer of 40k-fying detail work. The small base is for the Fabricator Captain. I have a very clear visual idea for the paint job, that will make the volumes and details work in harmony. I have a themed terrain set of refineries and storage silos also waiting for paint.

I guess, somewhere in this project Codex Alpha Legion awaits.

Awesome! Nice to see new stuff from you too.

Great start for the contraption. Like you said there's quite a nice blank canvas for all sorts of detail work. Waiting to see what happens.

Thanks mate! And thanks for being such an inspiration with your fast evolving and great looking Red Wolves army. It has kept me constantly hoping for a few hours to work on my own stuff.

Soon we should have enough stuff for games too!

Holy crap! You're back! And you don't disappoint!

As always, Very impressive, keep it up.

I am pleased you are staying the course and in crazily awesome style! The Paladin-like cyclops is a very cool build so far; I cannot wait to see it to its eventual completion.

I must ask what it is made out of: I see the sentinel parts in it, but pray tell what the body is, and where I've seen those missile pods before, unless the body should be of defiler origin. And very certainly keep on your own tangent with 'rules' and other such silly things not holding you back-- a true creator can stretch the lines of his drawing as much as he wants. To this end, I hope you keep stretching (for legion)! !

Many thanks Gentlemen.

PARTS:
sentinel legs, ork truk engine, ork kan body, ork kan hip, ork kan arms, valkyrie missile pods, iron clad dread chain saw, and lots of odd bits and pieces.

I like it. The missile pods look ace. I’m really looking forward to seeing what colours you choose since its Mechanicum or is it going to have duel purpose and be compatible with your T.W.A.R ?

Is Fabricator Captain Siimon a legion agent or just being duped?

Peter

I was thinking about doing some sort of machanicus walker using the deff dread as a base. Looks good, those arms are perfect. I'm no fan of the head, it looks like some kind of robot and the imperium isn't to keen on robots.

Please keep the inspiration flowing.

Very nice man. The new ork kits have been nothing short of awesome, and this really puts the new 'kans through their paces. Glad to see you are back and cranking out new stuff!

IronBars wrote:I was thinking about doing some sort of machanicus walker using the deff dread as a base. Looks good, those arms are perfect. I'm no fan of the head, it looks like some kind of robot and the imperium isn't to keen on robots.

Please keep the inspiration flowing.

The Imperium, and more specifically the more puritan elements of the Adeptus Mechanicus, aren't too keen on artificial intelligence (eventhough the Machine Spirit in Land Raiders, Titans, etc could be seen as AI). However, robots are there though, just look at the Legio Cybernetica. I guess there would also be a non-military version of this branch, meaning that robots could also be used for civilian applications. Perhaps the Skitarii Cyclops is a retrofitted civilian robot?

Malika2: I never looked in to the legio cybernetica before and a quick scan of the lexicanum ofcourse didn't really answer any questions. Where could I find some more fluff on them?

BTW where in the Netherlands do you live? I'm also from the Netherlands.

Thanks!

I am aware and agree about the issue of robotics - but recently getting in touch with some of the Heresy that has changed. In a number of Horus Heresy novels there are mind impulse and otherwise controlled robots, or ai. equivalent systems. With the paint job, I will have hints of red, with worn of desert scheme on top, lots of weathering effects, and a very red scheme for the Fabricator.

It will be a minor theme within the theme, something I wanted to build and something to add variety and sense of suitable oddness to the army as a whole.

IronBars wrote:Malika2: I never looked in to the legio cybernetica before and a quick scan of the lexicanum ofcourse didn't really answer any questions. Where could I find some more fluff on them?

There is not much info on the Legio Cybernetica out there, only some old info from the Rogue Trader era. You might want to check out this link, I don't know how official the info is though. You might want to look into this thread for some of the older Epic background, I think it also included the Legio Cybernetica, but I'm not 100% sure though...

I am aware and agree about the issue of robotics - but recently getting in touch with some of the Heresy that has changed. In a number of Horus Heresy novels there are mind impulse and otherwise controlled robots, or ai. equivalent systems. With the paint job, I will have hints of red, with worn of desert scheme on top, lots of weathering effects, and a very red scheme for the Fabricator.

I was almost worried that you were actually going to build 24 of them!

Lunch brake painting.



I am introducing these concepts to create small islands of time for the project. Today I painted the Obram Twins up to detailing phase. So only fun bitas left. Hopefully finished by weekend I am going with a second ed-esque camo scheme and otherwise very muted and project+moonlight fitting palette.

migs

Fantastic work, so much detail in your mini's!

Can't wait to see some pictures man!

By the way, will you ever revive your TWAR project?

absaloutly awesome

I really like what you did there

Malika2 wrote:
By the way, will you ever revive your TWAR project?

very much planning to - at least for gaming. I've posted an updated list at the armylists a few weeks ago. Thing is, there is very limited free time available for me now - and that is shared with sports, leaving little time for modeling - which is passionately ruled by this project.

You are a fantastic painter.

By the way, call the robot GERTY!

I've managed to purchase some more bitz and pieces and boxed sets to get some new units done. Another wizard kit, to the fabrcator and a sniper conversion I have in mind, chaos hounds to do some dune wolves, and some more terrain kits to finish the full two sets of terrain that pretty much only need a date with the airbrush now.

Still trying to fix me a nice, proper hobby place and some time to work on the models

I've also been lovingly staring at my airbrush... (that I bought months ago but have not had the time or space to use yet)

Unfortunately September is scheduled to be super busy, with lots of travel, so I have to wait a little bit longer before properly getting the project going again.

...soon.

Can't wait for more... As we all are...

Would it be possible to have a tutorial for the skin on the Alpharius legion guys as i need a similar skin tone for my current Alpha legion project and my second true scae project, Thanks!

You need to start painting immediately.

Signed,

Everyone

Who me or misgula?

Misgula. But thanks for killing the funny lol

R3DM0H4WK wrote:Who me or misgula?

You must be new here; no one really cares what anyone is doing other than Migs, for good reason Hell, I am often less interested in my own projects than his! :-P

Wehrkind wrote:Hell, I am often less interested in my own projects than his! :-P

QFT : so, I guess I'm not the only weirdo out here

No i find myself staring at this thread for hours on end admiring the work and time he puts into his projects

I love these guys, i have been waiting for you to post new things

Wow, the alpha legion on the first page is amazing.

C'mon Migs
we are running out of popcorn waiting for an update
Never mind the "Life getting in the way" excuse.
We wanna see some more piccies!

Soon!

Finally October looms large and I will have the odd moment for modeling. Pics coming this weekend! I am REALLY thankful for your appreciation of the blog and looking forward to delivering new surprises on the subject matter,

The new Dark Eldar pics have been a welcome source of excitement. While I see half a dozen things I would do differently - I am very impressed with the overall quality of design and really excited about all the new conversion fodder my project will get (and great new armies we will all see).

October is a great month! hopefully updates from you! as well as my bday!

Finally I get a chance to achieve some hobby goals:

- finish the twins (after my first paint session in months the twins are an hour or so from completion and another to finish their base. Pics this weekend)
- prime the AMech Fighting System
- build and prime the fabricator captain
- base, build and gs, then prime 10 dune wolves
- test drive the airbrush

That should be entirely realistic and leave me with really nice and varied stuff to paint in November. I then need a troop unit or two to get gaming. ...and obviously to come up with some rules for some of the units.

I should get a good core by January and then spend the next year expanding with all sorts of coolness

I'm eager to see them Migsula, especially since I've just finished reading Legion, and I'm still aghast at the outcome of the book... I was awe-struck at the genius required to spawn such a twist in the Alpha Legion history!!!

We want to see more!!!!

The progress of this project could significantly impact my weekend plans. I may have to reserve some time.

Inspiring as always, anxiously awaiting new updates.

I love this thread. I just love it.

Dune wolves? Intriguing...

R3DM0H4WK wrote:No i find myself staring at this thread for hours on end admiring the work and time he puts into his projects

This sounds strangly familiar, I found myself staring at the first page of this thread for what felt like a few hours recently just absorbing the sheer dedication and potential. A big boost in creativity followed.

Looking forward to seeing what your up to Migsula.

3rd/October/10 One man army.

Now that I finally had time to paint again (and tale of four gamers is tale of one, Jussi has moved to Kyoto to study and Hammer has changed his mind again and doing skaven), I did two things. I read this entire blog and was absolutely inspired by your support and enthusiasm and a little bit surprised how well it started and how many have continued to follow it. I also went down memory lane looking back to second edition and some memorable IG armies and battle reports with IG and Space Marines in the same army. They had something genuine, something truly Warhammer 40000 in their dna. Less about how modern day armies can be replicated as sci-fi miniatures and more about the weirdness that is the design of a Leman Russ tank or the grandness of the Golden Throne.

I need to dig up some of those old WDs and scan some pics.

Painting was a pleasure - but it took some time to brake of rust and to go small and sharp enough in the scale of things, while maintaining the free flowing, almost watercolorish painting process. This has always been the trickiest part, but it’s coming back now and I started to experiment with additional stylistic touches. I used cast shadows for example. Lending this piece a fitting extra contrast, being in the shadows and all.

The One man army.

There is a legend. Of a man so fast he can be at two places at the same time. Of such cunning that entire campaigns swing from collapse to conquest with his combat blades. Of a hideously scarred shadow of muscle and high explosives.

The one man army he is called. None know which of the Rhisienne Regiments he belongs to, but several have recorded his actions as part of their campaigns. Several also insist he has been trained and made within their ranks.

The truth remains in the shadows. Dictated by gods of war.


Here’s a few pics / 95% finished / I’ve since toned down the rust effect quite a bit, applied a few more shadow washes and made sure it fits the rest of the force.





Next up I want to paint the Grenadier sgt. To nail the scheme I will be using for them and to see how the paint behaves now without the rust. I will then build the Fabricator Captain and take the airbursh on a spin on him and his battle system - the Cyclops. Stay tuned.

Right Migs, this just has to stop.
You are just showing off now


Can't type what I'm thinking coz the cussfilter would go into overload and burn out!

Well hot damn, he's back!

That is some awesome work. Such a beautiful piece.

Just lovely, great job. The whole concept is just so original, thought out and well executed. I love the "drab-ness" of the colour pallet, really works. My only crit is the left arm of the standing guy on the right, it doesn't look completely natural to me, but thats only if i'm being picky.

Incredible, I have great appreciation for a piece that hits all the notes - conversion, painting and story all done incredibly well... You are one talented bastard my friend, thanks for sharing!

Agree with Hits though, the left arm looks a little... double jointed? Could just he then angle tho, on the other pic it looks good. As he said, only if you wanna be ultra nit-picky, it's still an A+++

It only looks a tad unnatural to me in the centre pic.
The detail of the gun makes the arm look sort of locked.
I am assuming, judging from the other pics that it is a trick of the light and the way that the gun's detail loses definition on the photo.

Nothing short of a masterpiece!

I love it, the fact you've taken the Alpha Legion trait of twins and duplicates and applied it in such an unique and beautifully-pulled off fashion.

Gah, stop giving me inspiration!

Looking amazing dude! You're looking for older edition pics and info? Anything specific you want? I've been looking around for old Ultramarines stuff for Doghouse and Apologist in the past, let me know...I've been getting bored at work lately!


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Ok dude! Check out the 2nd edition Imperial Guard stuff LINK.

Gothic and Eldrich review

Star Child/Sensei artwork:
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2nd Edition Black Codex review

Speaking of 2nd edition IG, I always loved this diorama.

Thanks guys.

I forgot to mention, the idea was also to have the focus at the shoulder guard and hence the two faces, with everything else slightly blurring.

I agree about the left arm. The shoulder guard is twisted a few degrees back, so the arm looks a tad dodgy from that angle now that the paint work highlights it. Otherwise it's a "good one" as the entire arm is from a flagellant and well sculpted - just the shoulder guard is hanging a bit.

Next up is a standard infantry model on a normal base, so something more straightforward and crisp

Cheers,

Malika - I remember fondly a few reader IG armies from like 97-98ish. WD. Need to dig them up at some point. The old dex I have obviously

Absolutely fantastic! What else can I say!

You should also perhaps try to get your hands on the 2nd edition Sisters of Battle codex, there is some interesting informations and artwork on Imperial religion. Might provide some cool inspiration for some of the infiltrators. Besides...how can you not love the Frateris Militia?

Good to see you painting again Migs, amazing as always, look forward to more.

Cheers

Sheep

migsula wrote:
Next up is a standard infantry model on a normal base, so something more straightforward and crisp

Straightforward from you is still miles better than most people in peak form.

The twins look great too btw.

Damn skippy that is pretty The way you use pale colors is really an inspiration, something I keep working towards myself. Not that I am anywhere close to being able to pull it off as well, but I try

A mighty shame the Tale of Four Finnish Gamers turned into Broodhiem Everyone one had some mighty fine stuff. I once tried to start fantasy with a friend...one unit a month and no games until it was all painted, to keep me motivated. Well one month in my mate had a whole army that was never going to get painted. So I am the proud owner of one painted fantasy unit and a lack of motivation to play fantasy. I was pleased to read that you are keeping this going because its all amazing.

Wow. Your Eldar Pathfinders camo was an inspiration and yet again you knock it for six. The way you do camo is just plain sweet....they blend in (except for the shoulder pads) perfectly. Any tips you fancy sharing on painting camo? The pose doesn't bother me as I look at miniatures as snap shots of time. Its like pressing pause on a dvd and peoples poses look odd but press play and it blends together.

I'm really looking forward to seeing your rank and file guys. So ETA of January.....hmmmmm......please give us something jaw dropping for Christmas

Thanks

Peter

No, I promise pics by the end of the week

If course Migsula, we want to see some more!!!

Your mini-diorama is really neat, and the "twin" concept so Alpha Legion-esque! I do not see any issue with their pose, moreover...

Cheer up, and as PDH said, keep up your motivation, that's a ongoing source of amazement for us down here!

It's been a good long while since I've posted in one of your threads, Migs. Usually, I'm too busy picking my jaw up off the floor to post anything coherent. Your blogs are not only a great source of inspiration when it comes to modeling but also in terms of making the hobby your own. This is something not often seen these days and it's really a shame.

Anyway, as I'm preparing myself for my first miniature project in over a year I've found myself not just looking at your models once again but really studying them, your techniques, design - everything. It's a huge inspiration and a driving force for me in my current Necromunda project. Not just the Necromunda gang I'm building, but also developing a campaign to fit the models. Really building a background and story to add to their character. I've managed to drag in a few friends who haven't played Necromunda many years (I haven't either, actually, but I've kept playing 40k where they have not.) It's not =I=munda really, just plain Necromunda with what I hope will be a cool story but none-the-less I owe alot of my effort to your wonderful contributions here on Dakka.

Well I won't ramble on any longer than I have but thanks again for all the inspiration you've given me and I can't wait to see what you show us next!

Thank you sir!

I've jsut recently come back to Dakka after a 5 year absence. I'm looking forward to seeing you progress. I remember your name from before I left. Keep up the outstanding work. You are an inspiration to many of us.

I'm about 50% through the guard sgt, that is also the test model for the scheme.

It's funny how the painting only becomes fun after the half way mark. Such a dualistic hobby really.

I am going for a muted enough scheme, to let the Legion and agents shine from the ranks, but otherwise including a lot of 2nd ed feel, like warning chevron's on guns. I've come to love this kind of stuff as genuinly 40k imagery. Too much of the guard stuff have turned into modernday military references. I want my Guard with horns and striped guns

I should have a pic by sunday evening.

Looking forward to it man

85% done.

Playing with ai and bull logos. I need to make the same "bulldon" animal work as a simple shoulder symbol and a more elaborate, two color thing that will go on the nose & cockpit of their Vendettas. It's trickier than I thought. Hopefully pics tomorrow. Sorry about the delay.

AAAAH!!! I had thought I could see some wonders before I got to bed (it's 1 am in France uh), but I guess I'll have to wait some more...

If I have a bad night, I'll charge you Migsula!!!

OK

WE NEED a dakkadakka iPhone App!!

It would take a minute to take a few pics and bang have them here for you.


Good news:
I really nailed the IG scheme! May sound like smug, over confident blurp, but I think we all know the feeling when you get something just right. I feel like the first Alpharius was just right; 7' Warrior God right - just what I wanted for my vision of a Space Marine, in the colors of my fave chapter and with a very novel execution and painting style - well now I have just as good a Guardsman. And only 3-4 hours total painting time. What I've done in between Marine and Man, has been very interesting experiments that really expand the imagery, but getting the two core typologies right (in my own opinion) is fundamental to this project and what it is all about. I can't wait to finish building the rest of the squad and painting the whole lot.

I really feel the hobby is coming full circle for me. I'm reaching some of the bizarre magic of nearly 20 years ago that was lost somehow in learning to paint, having this goals like a demon etc. But that is for a proper blog entry with a bit of time.

Bad news:
No iPhone app, no pics before I have time to take out the camera and do it properly. Hopefully tomorrow though

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm now REALLY looking forward to seeing the pics!

I've known that smug feeling on occasion. I get the feeling a smug Migsula is something reassuring when it comes to miniatures and I'm looking forward to tomorrow night.

Having seen the stuff you post on here and on your pbase (yes over the last few months I've miniature stalked you ) I would like to see some of the stuff you don't feel smug about!

Peter

How can you tease us that much without any small picture for us to drool upon?!?

You need an Old Spice style commercial for yourself.

"Look at your models. Now look at mine. Back to yours. Now back at mine. End thyself, and rejoice that in your last dying moments your eyes will be filled, not with the meaningless slurry you produce, but with the glory your models will never have."

Followed by "Ooops, no pictars LOL! Just be dead and sad!"

:-P

12th/October/10 Serge and Musings

This project was very much a spin off of the “Imunda” adventure - the desire to try portraying GW art and Legion the book, in a single concept Marine. Painted for impact not technical perfection. The result was something of a revelation and sparked something I had been long searching. Bit of magic.

It all started 20 years ago for me, playing the game with my friends. I was naturally the most able with technique, but one of the kids was really doing his own thing. While all the others were admiring my freehand flames on a DA Captain’s cape, I was in awe of these bright green, loosely painted marines mixing bitz from RT era and other model kits. What I remember very fondly from second edition was the mix and match imperial allies. Marines and guard standing side by side. The first Leman Russ demolisher kit was just released, so that will also feature.

Stupendous amounts of hard work later - I’m a master of arts from the royal college of art in london, and the hobby remains an unrestricted canvas were to just have fun, explore and enjoy, without the pressures and budgets of real world.

Having nailed the marine, I really hoped to get a similar reaction i my own mind for the Guard. I designed a regiment that would typify some of the silliness of 40k in comparison to modern military. I mixed bits and sculpted some additions and went for a cinematic, arrogant posture.

But I was a little intimidated to start painting. They should look:

a mass canvas bringing out the marines and esoteric agents
good on their own
fit in with the existing palette
not be too drab and sink in terrain totally like my previous guard.

here it is:

The concept guard man - gunnery sergeant Ruggert - soon to be followed by his nine grenadiers.



"You never walk alone..."

*wind sighing*
silence of awe struck reverence

a mass canvas bringing out the marines and esoteric agents
good on their own
fit in with the existing palette
not be too drab and sink in terrain totally like my previous guard.

Thats a lot to achieve, I'm not too sure of the green, its technically very good but just doesn't make me dumbstruck like some of your other pieces. Its an odd thing, one part of me quite likes the outrageous green but I think it dominates the figure, the armour is brilliant, especially the weathering and the freehand, and the green for me just distracts from that. Stiil nice as the brief you set yourself was hard and to find another 'bright' colour to match the rest of your force would have been difficult.

model collector wrote:

Thats a lot to achieve, I'm not too sure of the green, its technically very good but just doesn't make me dumbstruck like some of your other pieces. Its an odd thing, one part of me quite likes the outrageous green but I think it dominates the figure, the armour is brilliant, especially the weathering and the freehand, and the green for me just distracts from that. Stiil nice as the brief you set yourself was hard and to find another 'bright' colour to match the rest of your force would have been difficult.

That is a good assessment! And how I look at it too. The bright green was only natural "zang" to add - similar to 2nd ed cadians. I could've chosen a nice muted olive, but it would not fit my overall equation.

That is a good assessment! And how I look at it too.

The bright green was only natural "zang" to add - similar to 2nd ed cadians. I could've chosen a nice muted olive, but it would not fit my overall equation.

Thanks, my guess is that this shade of green will look nice and uniform across the squad and allow the eye to be drawn towards the armour and specific markings and details, it is also refreshing to see some old school style mixed into your work as quite alot of it I would describe as having a 'modern' feel to it and alot of thought behind the process, nice to see the stripes for the dsake of stripes

As per norm, fantastic work. I really do love you painting style. Could you enlighten us on the colour build ups of that cream/white?

Looking at him on his own the green made me go...... hmmm! But next to the agent and Alpharius he works, especially next to the Alpha Legion blue. I don't think the white background in the picture works in his favour. Any chance of a look at him on some terrain? Armour looks good and the bolt pistol is making me reminisce. I forgot to say I really like the Bulldon emblem.

Will the whole squad be getting horns or is it just for the sergeant?

What I remember very fondly from second edition was the mix and match imperial allies. Marines and guard standing side by side.

I remember the wonderful days of imperial allies. You should have a few games of 2nd edition with this army. I am sure the Inquisitor Lords stats would show a space marine off in all its warrior god glory. Need some wargear?... www.gobiel.com/sonsofruss/wargear.htm

The first Leman Russ demolisher kit was just released, so that will also feature.

Are you going to use the original tank commander?

Thanks for sharing

Peter

OMG he's amazing!

Though I'm not sold on the horns, I do realize they fit perfectly with Bulldons...

As for the green, my hobbyist buddy keeps on criticizing my "too bright" colours, especially when it comes to the greens, so you can guess I love it!!!

To the wonders that will always bewilder me, I could mention the chippings, armour, stripes, face, base, THE "Legion" blue which ties it so well to the rest of the minis...

You're a genius!

Hits: Thanks,
White prime - diluted pale light green - diluted pale light green to shadows - diluted devlan mud liberal, but avoiding top light areas - diluted baback black to recesses - very dark brown chipping with sponge and brush - diluted orange to some chips - brown ink spills and leaks.

PDH:
I had to auto level the pics because of mixed light - criminal, I know. I'll paint the squad and then take natural light pics. It should show the green like it is IRL.

And a group pic of what will by then look like a proper mini army I've been waiting for that moment.

Horns for everyone, but much smaller ones for troopers.

Thanks for the comments!

K, I'm gonna need to bill you for my medical bills migsula. I think I broke my jaw when it hit the floor.

Oh, if you really want that 2nd edition feel you should go for red guns!

Great, thanks for the colours, will have to give that a go on a test mini. (i'm currently looking for the most effective way to paint whites)

for any one looking at inspiration and a study on Imperial Space Marine subject, be sure to check out this thread:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/322183.page

Had a quick session yesterday. Started the Fabricator Captain, and two dune wolves for desert Alpharius. All three will require quite a bit of work and GS, so pics when I have something more meaningful to share

Cheers Migs....ah group shot.... (I should have a group shot for you at the weekend....Sunday night )

Had a quick session yesterday. Started the Fabricator Captain, and two dune wolves for desert Alpharius. All three will require quite a bit of work and GS, so pics when I have something more meaningful to share

I love the way you've gone from squad sergeant test theme.... to painting the squad.... to actually I think I'll build a character. LMAO that's the reason I don't have a painted army, painting troops is mind numbing. I'm looking forward to seeing what you do with another empire wizard, so I'm not complaining

Peter

ps thanks for linking to JRN...I don't really look in that part of the site and would have missed it.

Glad to see you back at it, things look great. I love the large terrain base, very cool feature. As for the Serg's green I like it, it's a little sickly against the white, but no different then say this green http://mpmuseum.org/securuniform/cadpat/cadpat.jpg

Quick pick. Wip Fabricator Captain (FC), rest of spades and two dune wolves. I have fun plans for the FC. I will make him absolutely full of detail - purposefully one of the busiest models I've done and then use a scheme of red, red, red to tone it down. Lets see how I get the moonlight feel without turning pink

looking good migsula! what heads you plan on using with this squad

note about the green fatigues that have aroused a healthy conversation:

Vallejo uniform green:

http://www.acrylicosvallejo.com/pdf_web/MC_CC070-rev04.pdf

Check out the link to see the truer shade of green. New pics when I'm home during proper daylight

Looking good, cant wait to see them painted up.

Really love the FC'S pose and parts, the piece oozes grimdark character, the dune wolves look very dynamic, however i feel they would look better with more fur towards the hind quarters.
Still waiting to see the entire group painted, the loveliest shade of green.

neil101 wrote:looking good migsula! what heads you plan on using with this squad

Not sure yet, I am looking for small, characterful faces and will sculpt the helmets myself.

Looking very nice! I particularly like the kneeling standard bearer. A very nice human touch.

Migsila=God. I can't wait to see more stuff.

I'm subscribing! - I wouldn't want to miss anything.

Your bases really impress me. On the squad its the little details that make them for example: adding knee pads alters the Cadian look drastically. As for finding heads good luck. I imagine not having heads has slowed this project down?

At the moment the Fabricator Captain is looking a heck of a lot like a wizard, bar the ridiculously smooth gs work. I look forward to seeing him mechanised up. So will this be your third character using the wizard kit?

I like the dune wolves..a good use of lotr models. Since you said you were making up rules for them... I think Seekers of Slaanesh would be appropriate, appearing out of no where, catching the enemy off guard and attacking ferociously (daemonic deployment, cavalry, rending claws and aura of acquiescence (defensive and assault grenades).

Peter

Mmmmm, i love the continual awesome use of the Empire wizard kit by you migs, its inspiring!!

I was also wondering a few things:

1 - How on earth do you do the off-white coloured weapons such as that on Alpharius?

2 - Do you still have plans for an all encompassing campaign on Rhisenne?

As always, keep up the absolutely beautiful and inspiring work

Have you thought about GW's IG heads? They are quite good, and have a nice range of character: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440336a&prodId=prod40009a

Those heads look awfull on the website, but there actually pretty nice. I have them at home for the veteran squad I'm working on.

Hey, I just spent a long time looking through your plog. I have to say everything is great, i love your painting style and the kit bashes are fantastic. Have you thought about maybe doing a terminator inquisitor lord at all? perhaps as just a display piece if it has no place in your gaming list?. I think with your style of both modelling and painting you could put together something great.

anyways keep up the good work

All of your guys look... evil... Awesome.

Vitruvian XVII wrote:Mmmmm, i love the continual awesome use of the Empire wizard kit by you migs, its inspiring!!

I was also wondering a few things:

1 - How on earth do you do the off-white coloured weapons such as that on Alpharius?

2 - Do you still have plans for an all encompassing campaign on Rhisenne?

As always, keep up the absolutely beautiful and inspiring work

1: jut a few thin washes really.

2: yes, dreams at least


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there will be zero metal parts in this army Extra challenge I've bestowed upon myself.


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PDH wrote: As for finding heads good luck. I imagine not having heads has slowed this project down?

At the moment the Fabricator Captain is looking a heck of a lot like a wizard, bar the ridiculously smooth gs work. I look forward to seeing him mechanised up. So will this be your third character using the wizard kit?

I like the dune wolves..a good use of lotr models. Since you said you were making up rules for them... I think Seekers of Slaanesh would be appropriate, appearing out of no where, catching the enemy off guard and attacking ferociously (daemonic deployment, cavalry, rending claws and aura of acquiescence (defensive and assault grenades).

My reallife is the one slowing things down But heads are a good excuse.

Yes, and fourth and fith ones I already have ideas for. Looking at the first three - it is very hard to realize they are from the same kit

They are actually fantasy battle Chaos hounds! I am thinking of using them as command squad bodyguards. I like the idea of the desert Alpharius flanked by two giant wolves.

Yes, and fourth and fith ones I already have ideas for. Looking at the first three - it is very hard to realize they are from the same kit

I agree, you've really made them your own. My fav is your Legion demolition expert. You'll really have to do some thinking for the 6th one...well they come in packs of two.

They are actually fantasy battle Chaos hounds! I am thinking of using them as command squad bodyguards. I like the idea of the desert Alpharius flanked by two giant wolves.

Well stone me. I would have sworn they were Wargs. You did well dechaosing them. Your idea of bodyguards is much less drastic than my idea and Alpharius flanked by two giant wolves looks fantastic in my head.

Having read this thread I think I understand the overarching design concept behind this army: having fun painting and collecting something lavish. But I was wondering where you stand thematically with the Legion... Are they a force for the good of humanity or have they succumbed to chaos? (though I get the feeling being how you are a Legion agent your answer, if any, will be cryptic).

Cheers

Peter

I'll miss the 'Allies' rules when the new GK Codex is released as it was the best (only?) way to represent the Legion working amongst its human operatives.

Now, I'm not sure how we'll pull it off, at least in terms of rules on the tabletop.

Still, fantastic stuff in here, as always!

I plan to use Codex IG for 90% of stuff, and introduce a few special characters and two new units (Legion operative cell, and the AM Cyclops). That's all for now. And I can go to tournaments with IG only and still look good with only the desert Alpharius representing. (he was built to fit Draken stats and equipment)

As to thematic and dogmatic considerations, "I am Alpharius, we are Legion" I am thinking this issue a lot, and will let my models and campaigns/stories communicate my take.