It would be kind of neat if it was the oft-rumored '40k advanced' ruleset that was whispered about aeons ago. Y haven't heard anyone mention that idea, and it would (in a way) fit the "everything is a lie" concept if it's essentially new rules for the existing setting. It is also a 'new game' in a way, and I don't think they've really done that before (New rules for existing models) unless you're counting the WHFB Skirmish push.
I'm doubtful of GW's ability to develop a full rule set that is flexible enough to fill this role in complete silence, however.
Doesn't the link to the Chaos In The Old World information belong in the Chaos In The Old World thread? This is the Space Hulk, ahem, I mean Mystery Box thread.
H.B.M.C. wrote:
I know you can do an approximation of the Indomitable Fortress using standard PS stuff, but I'm talking about the actual kit they showed in the PS book.
And yes, the compatabilty with current turrets is beyond awesome. You can take one of the ground-based Lascannons or Quad-Cannons and swap them with any Razorback TL-Las, HB or Assault Cannon. Instant Tarantulas!!!
Sorry to bug you about it..I read that the Dark Angels one in the book was scratchbuilt.
Has GW redone the old Mega Paint Set with the new paints? That would actually make for a nice holiday gift item, and would make sense as a one-off product.
Alpharius wrote:Imagine if you could actually THROW a grenade!
Imagine if fragmentation grenades were actually LETHAL.
You mean like 2nd edition 40K? If they're going to do an 'advanced' version, my guess is a repackaged 2nd edition rulebook/Necromunda rules. If that's the case, then it's not the mystery box, as that's been done before.
Btw, before you get all giddy about something like that, that system doesn't work too well with more than a dozen or so models per side, especially if they implement things like smoke, plasma, and blind grenades again.
hammerofulric wrote:GW have said that it has been done before, just not this good, ............
I am thinking chaos codex that is totally balanced, has daemons & all legion options with rules that add flavor whilst being balanced. Even options for lost and the damned.
Staff in Australia have been ordered not to speculate with customers what the mystery box is. They've also been specifically told not to discuss Space Hulk on threat of dismissal if it turns out to be Space Hulk.
I can just see the meeting now:
GW Sales Manager: The first rule of the mystery box is you do not talk about the mystery box! The second rule of the mystery box is that you do not talk about the mystery box.
hhe ^^ you do realise that if it is spacehulk its not gonna be a hit like the first one? i mean,all these new super special plastic bits n' pieces that will make it fancy are gonna cost money. imagine how much this game will cost? anything from 30 to 50 quid is my guess. i mean it will be awsome and i guess ill buy it for the tyranids (and i suppose the termies) but it wont be a hge hit.
ofc it might not be space hulk but instead the trolls in the pantry game GW indorsed eons ago ^^
NAVARRO wrote:And foreigners, with no GW,interested in the thing will not be able to get the space hulk.
Not quite sure how they are doing it yet. I've heard at times that you can pre-order off their website. Other rumors have been only actual GW stores. I was told that I would be able to get them for my independent game stores. (And no hints were given about what it is, just that I'll be able to get the 'mystery box'. Guess we'll know in a week.
Boxed games like Space Hulk and Advanced Space Crusade circa 1990 cost about $50 US. Expansion sets were $35 US (e.g., Dark Millenium for 2nd Edition 40K in 1993). Five to seven years later boxed game prices had crept up to $75 and then $85. The 3rd Edition 40K boxed set cost $85 when it was replaced by the Battle For Macragge starter set that initially cost $45 US.
If this Mystery Box is a boxed game, Space Hulk (or not), one can expect that it will cost at least as much as it would have ten years ago and perhaps more. In other words, don't be surprised if it costs at least $75 to $85 US or even more.
WarhammerTabletop wrote:Its space hulk go on over to bols con and go to older posts, its gonna have terrain,termies,genestealers and 2 metal miniatures, supposably.
typhus wrote:spoke to a staff member today he said it was NOT space hulk but was definatly a splash release and and a different game that was NOT space hulk
Yay! the black box of devouring! You put your models inside, it devours them, then you have to buy more models!
typhus wrote:spoke to a staff member today he said it was NOT space hulk but was definatly a splash release and and a different game that was NOT space hulk
The GW employee who claimed to have actually seen the product in China said it isn't Space Hulk as well.
If it does turn out to be Space Hulk I will rub their lying in their faces though.
typhus wrote:spoke to a staff member today he said it was NOT space hulk but was definatly a splash release and and a different game that was NOT space hulk
The GW employee who claimed to have actually seen the product in China said it isn't Space Hulk as well.
If it does turn out to be Space Hulk I will rub their lying in their faces though.
It's not Space Hulk.
It's a game called Hulks in Space. It comes with 10 Space Infantry and 20 Chromosome Thieves, as well as a full set of Space Corridors and Industrial Towers.
Well sence everything we've been told is a lie that includes that statement so the mystery box could be anything. so this will be my last post about trying to figure out what it is.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:I dunno mate. All GW have said is that there is a release on the 16th, and thats it.
The rest as far as I can make it purely Interweb Speculation. As I said earlier, the BolS report is more a rumour consolidation than a single, cohesive rumour. All those things could have been mentioned individually...
Um, it wasn't quite as simple as that.
GW HAS hyped this a bit more than that, what with the "never been done before", "limted quantities, when they're gone they're gone!" and some strange "We're droppin' the bomb on the 16th" talk...
That's a tad more than "Stay tuned for...{yawn]...some odd release at GD Germany."
It's a game called Hulks in Space. It comes with 10 Space Infantry and 20 Chromosome Thieves, as well as a full set of Space Corridors and Industrial Towers.
Truly, completely different, never-done-before-thingy!!! I'm hoping you ARE right, Platuan!!!!
Disjointed Entity wrote:
Alpharius wrote:some strange "We're droppin' the bomb on the 16th" talk...
Dropping the bomb thing...
Possibly a limited edition Deathstrike model?
Now THAT is an interesting theory..... Can I change my vote and choose "a Deathstrike model" from the poll?!?
jp400 wrote:Just throwing some more chum out in the sea of sharks....
Gorkamorka.
Enjoy.
That one has been thrown out there already a few weeks ago in the other thread
Whatever it is, it will be an actual game. That part has pretty much been confirmed by the letter GW sent out to employees, telling them to prepare for demo games, as has been posted earlier in this thread. So everyone who still thinks it will be one model like a Deathstrike... that is not going to be it.
I'm not familiar with all the old games they had:
- Space Hulk
- Gorkamorka
- Warhammer Quest
- Trolls in the pantry
... ?
I'm also still trying to figure out how they could fit the old Space Hulk content + enough (plastic) terrain into a 90,- Euro box and have it all be good quality. Normally those Terminators & Genestealers alone would be 90,-, and I refuse to believe GW will give us an actual bargain like that until I see it in from of me. This is probably the reason I'm still a bit sceptical about it being Space Hulk.
: Its a stand alone game that most likely will be compatable with current miniature range.
: Its been said several times that it isnt space hulk
: Its set in the 40k verse.
: Its something they have already done in the past.
............
Make sense to me as being a logical canadate.
So with rumors of it being a "new" game, who wants to take bets on GW not supporting for more than a year?
If the models aren't compatible with any other systems, GW will axe it in a year because of it. Relegating it to the defunct Specialist Games... (or as we call it, where the fun goes to die). If the models are compatible with one of the primary game systems, GW will axe it because it will either: A) be a cheaper and better source of miniatures which they will decide to fold into the core systems with recut and significantly marked up sprues; B) the models are redundant to models GW can get a better markup on.
NAVARRO wrote:And foreigners, with no GW,interested in the thing will not be able to get the space hulk.
Not quite sure how they are doing it yet. I've heard at times that you can pre-order off their website. Other rumors have been only actual GW stores. I was told that I would be able to get them for my independent game stores. (And no hints were given about what it is, just that I'll be able to get the 'mystery box'. Guess we'll know in a week.
Ussualy the independ store around here would be clueless about this, then customers like myself bug them to get the box... they spend a couple weeks digesting the thing... decide to call GW... tell us its ordered and should get at the store soon... one month later customers start to bug again about the box that doesnt arrive... they digest and a couple weeks later call GW... GW says they never aggreed to send the box in the first place and its a online store thing exclusive ( besides at this time its already out of stock)... and finally store tells customers they cant get the box because GW doest sent them.
Sorry for rant but even if it seems a parody its in fact a major pain in the ass and has cost me deals like apoc armies etc in the past, so even if GW makes this available I doubt I will get it since the limited time deals means a big no no around here.
TBD wrote:Why would they do us a favor by temporarily giving us a great deal when they have nothing to gain by it in the future?
What do you mean? Space Hulk was plenty of people's first intro into 40K the first two times, why would this time be necessarily any different?
Was it available for only a limited period back then? I don't even know which year Space Hulk was originally released and when they dropped it.
If it really is that limited this time around most of the boxes will probably be bought by current players, so I don't know about it being useful as an intro for new players.
Looking on the bright side, if the mystery box isnt Space Hulk that means we get whatever the mystery box is as well as Space Hulk as its def being released! Mick
Somewhere in an empty conference room in the bowels of GWHQ, the marketing intern that came up with this whole mystery box idea is cackling to himself with maniacal glee.
Maybe it's going to be a Space Hulkesque style boardgame, except instead of BAs vs. Genestealers on a space hulk, maybe it will be Tau vs. Tyranids onboard a hiveship, similar to Tyranid attack, or Dark Eldar raiding a Necron world engine for ancient technology.
Every once in a great while GW throws something at us that doesn't include SMs...
typhus wrote:spoke to a staff member today he said it was NOT space hulk but was definatly a splash release and and a different game that was NOT space hulk
The GW employee who claimed to have actually seen the product in China said it isn't Space Hulk as well.
If it does turn out to be Space Hulk I will rub their lying in their faces though.
It's not Space Hulk.
It's a game called Hulks in Space. It comes with 10 Space Infantry and 20 Chromosome Thieves, as well as a full set of Space Corridors and Industrial Towers.
Hm, do you know where I could just get some Space Corridors and Industrial Towers? I don't really want Space Infantry or Chromosome Thieves.......
Archonate wrote:Maybe it's going to be a Space Hulkesque style boardgame, except instead of BAs vs. Genestealers on a space hulk, maybe it will be Tau vs. Tyranids onboard a hiveship, similar to Tyranid attack, or Dark Eldar raiding a Necron world engine for ancient technology.
I like where this thread is going. Have you seen the new DE figures?
I guess that it's always a possibility. GW may simply have decided that Terminators in the required quantity was too good of a deal. Giving us standard marines maybe their alternative.
Scottywan82 wrote:You blaspheme sir! I loved Gorkamorka... Necron world, all ork on ork combat, humans dressing up as orks... What didn't that game have going for it?
It was the game that homogenised and bland-i-fied Orks. After Gorkamorka all Orks begame 'Generic Goffs'.
Why would GW re-release a game that wasn't successful in the first place? Gluttons for punishment?
You blaspheme sir! I loved Gorkamorka... Necron world, all ork on ork combat, humans dressing up as orks... What didn't that game have going for it?
Rules that differentiated the basic factions more. Vehicle Rules that made sense. A clear difference from the then fairly-well supported Necromunda game. The only thing GorkaMorka had going for it was the list of Glyphs and orky words at the end of "Da Uvver Book" Digganob might have improved it, I don't know. My group never bothered with it. But why did they make it Gorkas vs. Morkas when they already had fluff for the main Klans. Goffs vs. Blood Axes vs. Deathskulls vs. Snakebites vs. Evil Sunz vs. Bad Moons had so much more potential.
Why would GW re-release a game that wasn't successful in the first place? Gluttons for punishment?
You blaspheme sir! I loved Gorkamorka... Necron world, all ork on ork combat, humans dressing up as orks... What didn't that game have going for it?
Rules that differentiated the basic factions more. Vehicle Rules that made sense. A clear difference from the then fairly-well supported Necromunda game. The only thing GorkaMorka had going for it was the list of Glyphs and orky words at the end of "Da Uvver Book" Digganob might have improved it, I don't know. My group never bothered with it. But why did they make it Gorkas vs. Morkas when they already had fluff for the main Klans. Goffs vs. Blood Axes vs. Deathskulls vs. Snakebites vs. Evil Sunz vs. Bad Moons had so much more potential.
Thanks for that succinct recap of all that time ago. Are you one of the Stony Point Refugees, btw? Just curious if I should be looking for you on the other board, too.
But why did they make it Gorkas vs. Morkas when they already had fluff for the main Klans. Goffs vs. Blood Axes vs. Deathskulls vs. Snakebites vs. Evil Sunz vs. Bad Moons had so much more potential.
Presumably, Klans would be the obvious add-on expansion if Gorkamorka didn't suck. ____
Potentially, GW printed the entire batch, and is only now releasing it...
Scottywan82 wrote:Thanks for that succinct recap of all that time ago. Are you one of the Stony Point Refugees, btw? Just curious if I should be looking for you on the other board, too.
I've lurked a little on the Stony Point Refugees board, but not yet joined or attempted any gaming stuff through them (got personal, job & car issues to work out first.)
Scottywan82 wrote:Thanks for that succinct recap of all that time ago. Are you one of the Stony Point Refugees, btw? Just curious if I should be looking for you on the other board, too.
I've lurked a little on the Stony Point Refugees board, but not yet joined or attempted any gaming stuff through them (got personal, job & car issues to work out first.)
Wicked. Not much of a gamer with them either, but they're a pretty big group. A buddy of mine and I both work at the Gamestop up on Broad next to Walmart and we both play down at Hobbytown now. We ran into them there.
I've not kept upto date with this post, so sorry if this has been mentioned already. I was chatting to a mate last night and picked up the following information:
Apparently there are only 3 people at GW who know about it (as told to him by a GW worker). My mate was going to try a connetion, his mate's sister is Trish Morrison, but no go there.
We both were under the impression it was something that GW had done before, but this time it's going to be amazing.
GW staffer said it would be around £80
Our feeling is it's got to be Space Hulk. The reasoning behind this is:
Terminators are already out in a cheap form
Genestealers are in plastic as well
Only need a small size rulebook
If you can produce a 6 x 4 moulded board and sell it for £120, you can produce a plastic Space Hulk board that fits the £80 budget
All the above would make a £80 box set of Space Hulk with plastic scenery more than possible, plus Space Hulk would fly out of the door. This means even if sales dry up, they would of made a mint out of the original sales.
So three people in the whole company are going to control:
1. Finance for the project. 2. Sculpting the miniatures. 3. Writing the rules. 4. Layout and presentation for the rules. 5. Graphics and diagram creation. 6. Inventory and dealing with overseas manufacturers. 7. Packaging layout and graphics. 8. Colour photography for both the box and the included documentation. 9. Painting the minatures. 10. Distribution and inventory via the website and via stores worldwide.
It's not like it's the Coke recipie or the 7 secret herbs and spices. It's not like there's a piece of paper with 'Space Hulk' on it that was torn in half, one half kept in the US and the other in a vault beneath the Marine statue in Nottingham (although that would be kinda cool... if stupid).
H.B.M.C. wrote:... the 7 secret herbs and spices. It's not like there's a piece of paper with 'Space Hulk' on it that was torn in half, one half kept in the US and the other in a vault beneath the Marine statue in Nottingham (although that would be kinda cool... if stupid).
The secret is there are only 2 spices. Salt and pepper. They can only maintain the slogan because it was started before the laws that would put the smack down.
I imagine that somewhere in the UK is some one looking at a piece of paper that says "Space" going "this could be anything." And someone in the US looking at "Hulk"... wondering if GW's made some deal to take the loveable comic book character and adapt him as an ork or something.
Archonate wrote:Maybe it's going to be a Space Hulkesque style boardgame, except instead of BAs vs. Genestealers on a space hulk, maybe it will be Tau vs. Tyranids onboard a hiveship, similar to Tyranid attack, or Dark Eldar raiding a Necron world engine for ancient technology.
That's a theory I've had, although my guess is it would be IG vs. Nids as they generally want a human race to give people something to identify with and they can try to hitch a ride on the Aliens star, albeit a bit late...
H.B.M.C. wrote:... the 7 secret herbs and spices. It's not like there's a piece of paper with 'Space Hulk' on it that was torn in half, one half kept in the US and the other in a vault beneath the Marine statue in Nottingham (although that would be kinda cool... if stupid).
The secret is there are only 2 spices. Salt and pepper. They can only maintain the slogan because it was started before the laws that would put the smack down.
I imagine that somewhere in the UK is some one looking at a piece of paper that says "Space" going "this could be anything." And someone in the US looking at "Hulk"... wondering if GW's made some deal to take the loveable comic book character and adapt him as an ork or something.
Well my reckoning behind it (sorry if it has been mentioned before) is either BFG since there were rumors about its rerelease, thus making it 40k related in some sence.
Archonate wrote:
Every once in a great while GW throws something at us that doesn't include SMs...
That's true, but SMs is their bread-and-butter... if it's going to be Space Hulk, you've got to figure that Marines are going to be in there..
Absolutely. But some of us are clinging to the fine hope that it's got nothing to do with SMs. We cling to clues such as "never been done before" and "boardgame", hoping that SMs are left behind this time. My favorite is the dubious "it's not space hulk" clue...
Same for me, the link doesn't work anymore (limited to 10 views or sthg).... Could you upload it here on dakka?
FFG is supposed to produce some 40k-related Boardgames by now (read August WD issue, news section), but they're not real "GW products"...
The link didn't work for me either, so thanks for posting the picture right in this thread. That picture is quite enticing. Whether or not it's the Mystery Box product, I'm looking forward to seeing more.
There is no way that is the Mystery Box. For one, Dark Heresy is a FFG product, and GW is not going to take that over. I think those are purely for some Dark Heresy related board game or miniature tie-in.
Hence the stupidity of the 'mystery box', Now whatever it is loads of gamers are annoyed. If they had just announced the release like any other game company we could be excited instead. Whatever that Dark heresy thing is I'm intrigued much more than a Space Hulk re-release. Something genuinely new from GW would be nice IMO.
ya know the easyest arguement would be "well it's football...in fantasy, its just taking something and putting it somewhere else, i'm sure they would be the first to put fantasy alarm clock building as well if they wanted"
but that just sounds like an assholish argument.
ill clarafy what i said, what i meant was they have never had a COMPLETELY original idea. (not slowed "completely" as in nids arent original cause aliens arent) but what i mean is everything they have takes heavy refrence from something established. for example nids were changed as soon as starcraft came out.
I don't know, whatever this is, those space dwarfs in the picture don't appeal to me at all, and the man-boobed space ogre on the right looks like the average red shirt without his red shirt on.
My FLGS got an email from their GW rep today telling them they'll be able to order the mystery box on the 17th. That makes me hopeful that it won't be an in-store only release.
Alarms are still ringing after sleeping over it for a night. The more I look at that picture the more I get the feeling that it is a fan project of sorts. I mean, those power armoured midgets, are they Demiurg or something?
Which implies a level of duplication. Which therefore implies that it is unlikely to be a fan effort, especially when it's combined with hitherto unseen Dark Heresy material.
BrookM wrote:Still, I can't shake that feeling. Does the Creatures Anathema have an entry on Demiurg or other diminutive creatures.
I'm looking through CA at the moment oddly enough and no, there are no Demiurg in there, or anything else of that size/shape... but the right hand large creature looks suprisingly like the artwork for the Stenchbeast of Strank on page 66
Definitely no demiurg in the Creatures Anathema, and no other vertically challenged race either.
The stats are not DH related as far as I can tell, and reference cards for weapons would seem superfluous for that system as well.
Looks like over sized components for a new boardgame, probably by FFG since they have the rights to the DH line and I’m sure that GW producing their own DH boardgame would undermine that and not be permissible under any sensible licensing agreement.
I think the mystery box will be something else and am hoping that that this is a new product from FFG ala the Chaos in the Old World game. But I know no more than anyone else?
Right, there are the Enoulians, but they're listed as being thin and wiry - not Dwarvish at all. And they apparently react violently when they see symbols of the Imperium. Don't ask me why...
There's a Frankenstein Monster, things call Hullghasts (not Hellghasts), Plague Zombies, Robot-Frankenstein Monster, evil possessed Servitors (ie. Robo Zombies), False Men, Logi Daemonis... or something, Obliviates, which look like Robo-Robots with flesh, Techno-Cultists, Tech-Witches, Vore Weapons, Ripper Whip, Phyrr Cat, Osedex (Sandworm), Ambull (awesome!), Cruorian War Beast, Fenksworld Pit Thing, Gloomhaunt (Ripperjack), Maw-Flute, Boreworm, the Skin Taker, Stenchbeast, Verminspeaker, Blood Locust... holy gak... picture for that one's frightening, the Eldar, Enoulians, Enslavers, Genestealers, Lictors, Orks, Simulacra (shapeshifters), Assessor Cultists, Astral Spectres, The Burning One, Eye of the Abyss (very Lovecraftian), Flamers, Flesh Hounds, Juggers, Lady of the Void, Nurglings, Predators of the Starry Order, The Ruination of Imperfect Beauty.
I'd agree that I don't think this is going to be the mystery box.
There are rumours of WFRP moving in a direction that uses cards and miniatures to speed up game play... maybe this is a test run to move DH in the same direction? This seems unlikely though, given that books are still being released and RT comes out very soon.
If you look carefully at the one in front on the right you can see its not power armoured but short, fat, bald with beard wearing an open coat... SQUATS!!! Mick
BrookM wrote:Still, I can't shake that feeling. Does the Creatures Anathema have an entry on Demiurg or other diminutive creatures.
No there's not.
meanwhile... the guardsman character sheet in that snap looks to me like the sort of thing that would be of use in a demo game at gen con type affair and the closest big troll like monster looks to me like the Fenksworld pitbeast.
Well after messing with the picture in photoshop, I would have to guess those are squats. They have facial hair and human features or at least very very human like features, and clothing reminiscent of older squat models with updates. The other aliens described as possibles are quite far removed from humanity. They just look more serious then the previous incarnations of squats. Bringing back a dead race for a cameo in a small board game / collectible figures would be something that they have never done before. Or could very well be a part of a new campaign for DH. I would say that regardless of what the box is or will be the figures in the above picture, are squats. They just fit the profile TOO well to be anything but IMHO. If not they want to bring some of their favorite imagery about them back in another form. Just my 2 cents....
With regards to that picture. The model on the far left looks like the Inquisitor Covenant model (torso, legs with long coat). I remember that model well and it just seems too similar.
Makes me think it's a fan project to make mini's for the game too.
Sha1emade, I agree. The mini's look definitely looks squat/dwarf/demiurg like now you mention it.
The single/two piece cast of the mini's shouts boardgame and the bulky (lumpiness?) of the boots/legs/torso particularly suggests it is one made by someone other than GW. Plus GW don't make 3ups (?) anymore do they?
Your reasoning on the reintroduction of a dead/discontinued race also fits well (what better villain than a race of squats out for revenge after the Imperium abandons them!). Further I don’t think that FFG could produce mini's of existing races/lines (under the terms of their licence, therefore squats and inquisitors (LHS of photo), plus others from the CA would be perfect for a FFG Boardgame.
Of course the downside of this epiphany is that FFG tend to promote their products, so a glimpse like this probably wouldn't be their style? Maybe this is part of a viral ad campaign? Very non GW either way?
So what's the deal on the availability of the box then? Will it only be available for one day, or will it be revealed and then made available through mail order or something. I don't have access to a GW store but would quite like some Squats and other beasties if that's what it turns out to be.
So, if indeed we'll be seeing plastic Demiurg in the WTF Box, you can rest assured that when the Box is sold out you'll be able to stroll to your nearest GW shop and buy a box of crisp, freshly baked Demiurg there.
His Master's Voice wrote:So, if indeed we'll be seeing plastic Demiurg in the WTF Box, you can rest assured that when the Box is sold out you'll be able to stroll to your nearest GW shop and buy a box of crisp, freshly baked Demiurg there.
No plastic model will ever be a limited release.
While I would have to tend to agree with you, GW's willingness to go to China to get "things done" leaves this open to a little bit of wiggle room.
You watch. they'll be squats. Since GW refuses to acknowledge they ever existed, saying that its something they've never done before isn't exactly a lie to them, but at the same time, the "everything you've been told is a lie" shirts make sense to US because obviously, GW is lying. Then again, it may just be the Inquisitor tagline, so whatever.
I'll put a bold twist in there- a limited edition Space Hulk run entitled 'Squat Hulk- in space no one knows you no longer exist'. Swap the Terminator sprue for the Squat Demiurge sprue and you're set.
Demiurge aren't squats though, this is a GW fact. Furthermore, Squats never existed anyway. They have said this, Demiurge are a completely different race of vertically challenged people.
H.B.M.C. wrote:But there's a model attached to part of a sprue there. What is that???
Honestly, feth the mystery box - this picture, and the Dark Heresy connections has me far more intrigued than anything I've seen recently.
But look closely.. The grey(plastic?? mabye its resin, sortof looks like FW resin) of the mini.. is not the same color as the peice of sprue.. It looks to me like someone took a peice of sprue and just lay it around the mini...
Any remember about 8-10 years ago there was a small game GW was supposedly developing, I think more on the fantasy side, sort of as a gladatorial game. I think I remember something about in a WD and remember it was hex based movement. Just a thought.
Nicorex is right, it is just a sprue put around a figure... Also all the cards are laminated which makes it seem more like a demo game of some sort.
Just out of curiosity, could a totally new Marine chapter be counted as nothing to do with any current armies...? That way if it is Space Hulk it would confirm the no conection to current armies (ie Dark Angels, Ultra Smurfs etc)
Mick
The speculation will not end until the revelation. I for one am really hoping it's some type of Dark Eldar update, even though that is looking very, very unlikely from my point of view.
I think all of us are waiting for that fabled Dark Eldar update, but it's like trying to find the end of the rainbow. As soon as you think you're on top of it, it's all just a big lie and you're left alone, crying.
SargesSquad wrote:I think all of us are waiting for that fabled Dark Eldar update, but it's like trying to find the end of the rainbow. As soon as you think you're on top of it, it's all just a big lie and you're left alone, crying.
Railguns wrote:You watch. they'll be squats. Since GW refuses to acknowledge they ever existed,
GW have never really refused to acknowledge that squats ever existed.
The Ian Watson Inquisition War trilogy was published with Squat character intact. The blurb at the front explains why they're currently not present in the game. They've had no problem with Squat armies at GTs.
Squats were dropped from the game because the studio couldn't figure out what to do with their fluff to make them a worthwhile part of the background that was distinct from other, better selling, armies. Aside from occasionally getting exasperated at the same tired old questions at Games Days, GW have never, at least so far as I've heard, had a problem acknowledging them as a part of the game's history.
And for what it's worth, Demiurg aren't Squats reimagined. They're an alien race. The two are completely unrelated, aside from both being short.
May be GW are giving up doing gaming stuff? It would link 'dropping a bomb', 'never been done before', 'not linked to any army', 'limited print run' and they def would not want the staff to know before the announcement! On the other hand they could be releasing something at a price that relates to how much it really costs to produce rather than at a hyper inflated price, again covers all the above... Mick
Guys what came out last year at this time? It was 5th ed 40k
GW will have to match those numbers with a great release, a possible one-shot release...
So you have to ask yourself, Are they redoing "Fantasy" or "LoTR/WoTR"? The answer is no. So what can compete against those numbers of dollars made and units sold? It has to be big and encourage the masses to drop money to match if not exceed the last years release...
PS Remember that the last 3 years have seen new starters released in August/September...
Kinghammer- or more likely they haven't got anything they think will shift like 40k last year and Apocalypse the year before so they are trying a new marketing idea hoping it will generate interest and help shift something of a lesser game/supplement...
Another thought occurs to me as well, if its a board game and going to be 'limited edition' could that mean after the intial run it will be handed over to FFG as Dark Heresy was? So you will still be able to get it but with FFG stamped on it rather than GW. This could also link it to the Dark Heresy photo...
Mick
That only happen with Dark Heresy because GW didn't think an RPG's development made a big enough return. The books cost $50+ but for it to have been viable GW needed to make $80+. So they sold the licensing rights to FFG. The idea of GW handing anything over to FFG is unlikely. The only way FFG will take another GW proprty is if A) they are sharing the development costs for the new game, B) FFG is paying GW to develop a new game, C) GW develops the new game and determines it to be not viable, but offers a license to FFG and FFG buys it.
But what if FFG are the games developers under licence from GW? This could explain the 'only three people in GW know what it is' rumour and to stop FFG l etting the cat out of the bag they are told they will have the licence pulled if they reveal it. This way GW gets all this hype and interest, they release what ever it is as a 'limited edition/run', which it is for them, then let FFG release their edition of it after. Its a win, win situation for both companies...
Mick
Well, If we are looking for clues I may have found something rahter interesting, not sure if it has been said before and I'm just being slow , buw here it comes.
There has been word about these new Geedubya T-shirts, with "everything you have been told is a lie" on them, Now I was looking through the specialist games today, and was looking through the rule book for Inquisitor, and on one of the first few pages the exact same quote is there.
Now my guess would be these t-shirts may be pointing towards Inquistor, or something related to the Inquisition ? It's a possibility.
Wolf wrote:Well, If we are looking for clues I may have found something rahter interesting, not sure if it has been said before and I'm just being slow , buw here it comes.
There has been word about these new Geedubya T-shirts, with "everything you have been told is a lie" on them, Now I was looking through the specialist games today, and was looking through the rule book for Inquisitor, and on one of the first few pages the exact same quote is there.
Now my guess would be these t-shirts may be pointing towards Inquistor, or something related to the Inquisition ? It's a possibility.
You're actually about the 10,000th person to spot and point this out.
No.
The T shirts are purely to get people onto and registering on the GW site... just like the swanky competition which involves... being registered on the website.
Well then the likelyhood of someones testicles being spared I think are good. I really doubt its LotR.
Random thought: Not that anyone would want it, but I wonder if GW has considered releasing a miniature line for some other movie franchise (possibly scifi) to mirror what they've done with LotR...
aka_mythos wrote:I wonder if GW has considered releasing a miniature line for some other movie franchise (possibly scifi) to mirror what they've done with LotR...
Like, say, Starship Troopers? That should be a dirt cheap license to acquire.
i doubt this is going to be helpful, but earlier today i saw a poster for the mystery box, with blue harvest written underneath, wheter or not that is a clue of some description or not, i don't know
This misery box had better be something so special
that any GW fan will want to buy it up. If it turns out
to be something lack luster it will leave a sour taste
in the consumer base that's for sure. This "keep it a
secret" stand GW is taking can backfire-bad.
I sure do hope it's something I'm interested in and if so
something I can get my hands on.
statu wrote:i doubt this is going to be helpful, but earlier today i saw a poster for the mystery box, with blue harvest written underneath, wheter or not that is a clue of some description or not, i don't know
Blue Harvest was the fake working title for Return of the Jedi.
I am sure they will probably decide what it is they are putting in the boxes a couple of days before they have to send them out to the stores.
"Damn it! We have already used up all the post-it notes from accounting! Quick - someone go and see if any of the bathrooms still have toilet paper left... and someone start chopping up the tables from marketing into pieces small enough to fit in some more of these damn boxes!"
Necros wrote:I think it's going to be a great re-imagining of 40k, in Pogs!
How would you rep the Chaos Dread's frenzy rule in pogs?
Not the 40k chess set...? Everything I know is a lie...
Chaos Dread, frenzy, take pogs and throw them straight up into the air, anything it lands on dies? or maybe just laughs at you....
I suppose after 18 pages nothing can really be expected to stay on topic.
And, the 16th isn't so far away now...
I'm leaning more towards the FFG/GW Dark Heresy Board Game thing now.
Either that, or Space Hulk with limited edition models and/or terrain. Which won't be in the box later, thereby "justifying" the limited edition label...
Nicorex wrote:It looks to me like someone took a peice of sprue and just lay it around the mini...
Why on earth would anyone do that?
Well first thing to spring to mind is.. "HAHAHA Look at the photoshop job I did and it got EVERYONE! into a uproar.. hahah what a bunch of Mooks!"
or just to mabye hint that they will be in production at somepoint later.
also if you look closely at the upper right of the sprue, it looks like something has already been cut off of it.
JohnHwangDD wrote:
Star Wars would probably bankrupt the company.
WotC has the star wars license pretty much locked up, I think...
Indeed, this Star Wars licence is owned by Wizards of the Coast, who in turn are owned by Hasbro, who also have the licence to do most Star Wars toys, and finally George Lucas owns a number of shares in Hasbro, 10% or so I believe. This is why I believe that the rights to produce the card game were taken away from Decipher and awarded to Wizards of the Coast but would rather indicate that GW will *not* be getting a Star Wars licence.
Just me here, but I'm leaning to this board game as being the alleged mystery box. But who really knows outside of the supposed GW Triumverate.
GW has done board games before - but doesnt do much to support its specialist games (not allowing them in stores that are not 'battle bunkers').
FFG on the other hand likes to put out supplements/expansions to its boardgames. Look at Descent. Two expansions when I last checked with a large assortment of 'hero cards' (like character sheets) and correlating mini.
A game board that can be modified with stairwell tiles and terrain tiles etc...
Tie this in with their existing DH line and put it out in all those mall based non-wargaming game stores at the mall... it's the new GW gateway drug - if it works.
As for me, I have some of the DH books, but havnt invested much time in reading them. I also have the Descent game, and I enjoy that.
If this mystery box is this FFG game, I'll be happy. If its not, I won't be mad.
And no, I don't believe this will be a resurrection of Squats/Demiurg/Space Dwarves whatever... I think too many here are reading too much into someone elses speculative reasoning or hopeful delusion.
And seriously, I doubt it's Space Hulk... Even though that was my gateway drug into 40k, as I'm sure it was for many.
Could anyone check for info on FFG site? I unfortunately can't see their page as I'm on a gov network... and they think I should think about work and not gaming. (I have no clue how they havn't blocked this).
Are printing costs in the US cheaper than the UK? I ask because GW has had a problem for many years when it comes to doing card-stock and things like that (it's the reason things like the Necromunda and Mordheim games went away, and all the various cards in the core games as well).
If FFG is in the US and the US doesn't have the same problems, then we could be seeing a lot of card-based games from them using the GW lisence simply because GW couldn't afford to produce them themselves.
Personally though I now want it to be some sort of "Dark Heresy - Skirmish" style game, a bit I-Munda-ish its construction, with ways of tying it into Dark Heresy proper (and not a replacement).
Thats sort of what I'm hoping for... though when you have a whole card for a weapon like an autopistol; it doesn't comfort me into thinking that things will 'flow'.
As for printing. I wonder why GW does not have it done in the states - they make some of their miniatures here. IIRC they have a factory in TN. Not something I've seen them advertise, but they mentioned it at an assessment function I once attended.
But thinking further on that; printing in the states might take them outside their 'laddered' structure that helps them keep their costs down.
'Why pay someone else when we can pay ourselves'.
(That just sounds greedy, but it's good business sense).
JonnyDelta wrote:FFG on the other hand likes to put out supplements/expansions to its boardgames. Look at Descent. Two expansions when I last checked with a large assortment of 'hero cards' (like character sheets) and correlating mini.
i believe they're on their 5th expansion. all of them (including the starter) are very high quality and include lots of goodies. when i first say the prices, i balked but then my friend (and Descent GM) opened up his copies to show me just how much you get.
Or China, for crying out loud. They print their books there - I can't imagine cardstock would be much more expensive over there.
I am perfectly willing to be proven wrong by anyone who knows the prices of card-stock printing and the like.
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warboss wrote:i believe they're on their 5th expansion. all of them (including the starter) are very high quality and include lots of goodies. when i first say the prices, i balked but then my friend (and Descent GM) opened up his copies to show me just how much you get.
I don't think there's any question of FFG's quality or that they'd be ripping anyone off - I think most of us so far, myself included, have been very impressed by the production values of everything they've put out (odd exception - the black & white pamphlet that came with the DHGM shield). And I'm sure this new Fantasy RPG will be another high quality production with a hell of a lot of stuff in the box (in fact, having seen photos of its contents, you appear to get HEAPS in there).
We're just concerned about the direction its taking. It all seems very sudden. One moment we have the Fantasy RPG and then BANG - CARD GAME!!!!!! This is especially worrying for DH players who don't want to see their game revamped after such a short time and turned into something else that requires more material.
Didn't they (FFG) just make a big deal about taking DH 'outside the Empire'.
I interpreted this as an expansion of their current line of DH, and people have linked to the demo material related to some of this upcoming line. So I in no way think that this board game will be a replacement for the current DH line.
I would however highly doubt that the miniatures contained within are to scale with the current GW line, or the earlier ][nquisitor 54mm line.
If its not space hulk or bloodbowl I will be slightly unhappy, but only due to personal preference.
I'll buy it as long is it is not a tabletop game, or bloody star wars or more lotr stuff, not my cuppa chi. Boardgames from GW are just fantastic though. Love em! Viva BB!!
I think that dark heresy photo is some kind of fake, the sprue and the model look different shades of grey, and the sprue looks punched, as mentioned before, which does not make sense to me.
Here's hoping it's hulk, with a limited ed of plastic scenery (which would just kick ass)
The plastic scenery rumor is what makes me think it's not Space Hulk... Besides lots of corridor walls (which would make the game a bit of a fuss to play), what is there to make scenery for in that game?
I'm thinking it's a new boardgame. Possibly some kinda new Kill Team rules in a box set, or some other novel way to use our 40k minis...
One note about the picture... someone asked if those are 25mm bases - the one squat toward the center appears to be on a slotted base. So here's to hoping.
Okay, let's make this simpler. The "Mystery Box" is so named because it's supposedly a mystery. The Bugman's Game is not a mystery, it was already advertised in White Dwarf magazine with pictures. This, therefore, makes it unlikely to be the "Mystery Box" to be unveiled for the first time in Germany this coming Saturday.
BrassScorpion wrote:Okay, let's make this simpler. The "Mystery Box" is so named because it's supposedly a mystery. The Bugman's Game is not a mystery, it was already advertised in White Dwarf magazine with pictures. This, therefore, makes it unlikely to be the "Mystery Box" to be unveiled for the first time in Germany this coming Saturday.
So the mystery is that they're expanding the sales of the Bugman's game to Germany, which makes sense, given they love beer as well. I guess the next big thing will be bringing it to Australia, as we drink heaps of beer as well. America will have to wait though, I guess, as they drink expensive water that's coloured like beer.
This is all great stuff Scoprs. Keep us informed when you learn more.
Just so everyone knows, I was just kidding....Yes I have the White dwarf, that is why I was making fun of it.
It was clear that you were kidding. Some others, not so sure. Oh, and I'm not taking the bait from the troll above. Why does every forum have someone like that? I've never insulted anyone here or given anyone a hard time no matter what I thought of their posts here. Civil discussion on forums tends to attract jerks and bullies for some reason.
I guess it's partly frustration, but just like the thread on this topic before it and just as I posted early on in this thread, there has been virtually no useful information posted here. This thread has proven to be near useless as far as any real information appearing in it. Just jokes and idle speculation. Fortunately, this will likely end on Saturday.
H.B.M.C. wrote: America will have to wait though, I guess, as they drink expensive water that's coloured like beer.
You sir are out of line. Come to NorCal and I shall teach thee about the California micro brewery. Everything that's good about beer, plus Santa Claus on the label.
But seriously. I think the WTF box is going to be filled with new minis of female space marines, along with their own codex.
BrassScorpion wrote:It was clear that you were kidding. Some others, not so sure. Oh, and I'm not taking the bait from the troll above. Why does every forum have someone like that? I've never insulted anyone here or given anyone a hard time no matter what I thought of their posts here. Civil discussion on forums tends to attract jerks and bullies for some reason.
Get thicker skin Skorps.
I wasn't trolling, insulting you or doing anything in any way related to trying to attack you or anyone. I just wanted to lampoon the Chinese Whispers that usually take over threads such as this, and how once innocent bit of supposition can turn into the gospel truth a page later.
Or that we think they have. If it turns out to be Space Hulk it'll be just like everything else they do - we sorta knew about it, but weren't 100% sure.
Note that this applies to rumours and to official releases. GW gives so little away even when they're being transparent that them telling us what they're about to do sometimes feels like a stab in the dark.
I never got the Space Hulk love. It was a cheap way of acquiring minis but the rules weren't all that to me. If GW was doing a board/hybrid game thing, I would much rather see an update or re-release of Warhammer Quest, but that'll never happen.
Well Daemons Wave 2 is a complete mystery to everyone, so it fits. Also explains the "never done before", if that means "deliver on a promise" or perhaps "carry through with something right to the end".
And Brook - Get with the program man. This is fun!
It's past twelve o' clock where I am. Why isn't the world revolving around me? Why haven't I found out what the fabled Mystery Box holds? Why isn't Games Workshop pandering to my needs?! WHY ISN'T GERMANY CHANGING IT'S TIMEZONE TO MATCH MINE?!?
...I'm going to grow a neckbeard if this keeps up.
well this is one release i am going to miss out on. Given the predicted price theres not much chance of me buying it. Unless my friend grabs two copies of it.
Speaking of which. I know its being announced this weekend but is it hitting the stores the same day or a date further down the line?
This is very interesting to read, we all have good imaginations But I guess that's why we play wargames... Ok that's a bit moot, but you get what I mean.
statu wrote:i doubt this is going to be helpful, but earlier today i saw a poster for the mystery box, with blue harvest written underneath, wheter or not that is a clue of some description or not, i don't know
Blue Harvest was the fake working title for Return of the Jedi.
It is a clue. Good eyes. I'd keep that quite. about where you saw that perhaps.
A big clue.
..Blue Harvest was also the name of the Family Guy remake of Star Wars yes ?
Hey reds8n, got any info on that Dark Heresy-related pic? I don't think it has anything to do with the mystery box, but more to do with a DH 2nd Edition in the same style as the newly announced WFRPG 3rd Ed.
Sadly I agree with you on pretty much every level there.
I am sure that is nothing to do with the mystery box. Which, I still think, is Space Hulk.
My worry having seen that pic would that FFG would perhaps not see it as viable to support two pretty much identical versions of a game, especially if they have a fuller control over one of them, seeing as they have done all the design work etc for one of them rather than inheriting it as they did with DH.
I've noticed, as I'm sure you have too-- unless I'm confusing you with other posters on here-- that the PCs in RT seem much more powerful and competent than even fairly experienced PCs in DH.
Looking at the new WFRPG and other recent games the current trend in games design to my eyes is much more towards more powerful PCs even at lower levels. I haven't played it but I keep hearing things like 40 HP 1st level characters in D & D 4th edition. DH really does go against this, perhaps even too much, especially given the gakky weapons that a lot of the Pcs start off with.
I have also heard some complaints and grumblings that the current DH game doesn't quite do what a lot of people thought they'd be able to do : which is pretty much play Harlon Nayl or Patience Kys or other Inquisition novel characters straight away. And they do have kind of a point, I do think the psykers powers at lower levels are often almost useless and not helped by his crappy weapon options and so on.
I apologise for the way this rambles, bad hangover.
So... I'm wondering if we might see the DH books, ,post the ones they have said are coming out, maybe moved to electronic pdf format-- like the WFRPG stuff ( the last few releases of that delayed hugely too.. oh, like the DH books !) -- whilst a new DH box set descent type game is unveiled. Obviously as the original DH and the forthcoming RT -- an entire chapter on navigators ! -- systems are compatible they could then keep producing books for RT which would, handily, also be compatible for the DHRPG as well, whilst selling the new improved DH board game type affair as an introductory set.
I hope this isn't what happens, and the snap is merely some thing amateur thing for someone's own game or a demo maybe.
Necron world, all ork on ork combat, humans dressing up as orks... What didn't that game have going for it?
Squat Hearth Guard re imagined.
Why on earth would anyone do that?
