I'm guessing in-store, in order to promote their brick n' mortar locations that no one really goes to.
I don't think it's Space Hulk, as someone here quoted that Jervis stated it wasn't (Though who knows, I don't)
What do I think it is? Maybe an Epic 40k Starter Box, maybe a Reaver Titan, may be a collection of really, really old mini's that GW want to maximize profits on before they destroy the old moulds. Who Knows?
BrookM wrote:I think you are confusing the mystery box with the black box.
BUT as said before, once it is revealed you will be able to pre-order it if you like.
And yes, the contents will be revealed.
Er, maybe I am then?
I wouldn't put it past me...!
So, what is the BLACK BOX then too?
Yes, apparently I am confused.
The black box is the box that stores get about a month in advance with the releases of the upcoming month. Usually just the sprues, no boxes or instructions included. For example: the Amsterdam store's Black Box for August contained two Demolisher kits, one Hellhound kit, one Planetary Empires kit plus two Hive City tiles and a how to paint tanks book.
For something they've never done before, it could be: Updated FAQs and Errata that fix real problems (like, do deffrollas ram, can you disembark from a Valkyrie, etc.).
Adding up all the information that I got the other day at the store and the context of that conversation, I'd say that it could very well indeed be a Warhammer Quest remake (like BrookM suggested in the other thread).
BrookM wrote:Well that or the oft hinted at Collectors Range of Primarchs and other Heresy models that have been mentioned at GDUK.
oooooo!! That is exciting if that was to happen. Not heard about that as a possibility. Can you imagine the number of purity seals and skulls you can fit on a primarch model to get patented GW GrimDark - hundreds?
Well, gotta give GW some credit for keeping it under lock and key for so long. I think it goes to show that GW could be intentionally leaking some things after all when they want to.
Its Space Hulk. Its been reported so many times on so many sites that its coming out again this year that for Jervis to say there are no plans to release it again should point you to the 'mystery box' that know one is allowed to talk about. If he had said yes it will be out before xmas I would still be racking my brain as to what the mystery box was...
Mick
Necros wrote:Every time I see a post about this thing I just keep thinking of brad pitt at the end of Seven... "Ahhhh... what's in the boxxxx??!?!??!!!112"
JD21290 wrote:nah, i think i give enough money away with all the crap i buy
so im guessing from what iev read is that its just a mystery box?
any idea on size or price so far?
Ok, I thought you were making a joke because everybody here has been speculating about it lately (I even hear some have sleepless nights).
The content of the secret box will be revealed mid August. Maybe at Games Day Germany, which is the 16th. After they reveal what will be inside you can pre-order it, and collect it at a GW store at the release date, which is september 6th if I'm not mistaken. Not sure if you can only pick it up at the store, but I think so.
I recently spoke to someone who claims to have seen the product inside (and the source was as credible as can be in cases like these), and he gave a few spoilers. Among other things he said the price will be about 90 Euros and there will be approx. 30 miniatures inside.
Sounds like Space Hulk, but GW has been denying it. So either they lie, or it is something else. I wouldn't rule out either possibility.
All will be revealed in Germany in 2 weeks, give or take...
It looks like you'll have to be 'in store' to get it though?
Now THAT is lame, if true...
Some of that info contradicts what I was told, like the price and their claim that it is something they have never done before (the employee said they did do this before, but not this good). I'm almost 100% sure he said I would be able to pre order it and pick it up the day it is released.
Of course we can't be sure if any of the info is correct until it is actually revealed, so who knows.
Hopefully, when you open the box, it'll have nothing but a piece of paper that says "You guessed it, we're lowering prices" and everyone will be so happy they won't give a s**t that they spent money on an empty box.
I've lost all interest in any future releases after GD Chicago where they showed us just how tight-lipped they had become. They apparently don't want me to get excited about their products, and it's working.
Sirius42 wrote:Well I have been informed that currently only 4 people in the company know what is in the box, Jervis being one of them.
I'm person number 3, and I know the answer.
It's a box full of new big hat stunties, and under the box is a sheet of paper that says: We've been working on this update for the past 3 years and none of you knew about it until now!
While the first slogan is most definitely from Inquisitor I'm not so sure where the second slogan is from. I haven't seen that one anywhere in the Inquisitor book.
Sidstyler wrote:I've lost all interest in any future releases after GD Chicago where they showed us just how tight-lipped they had become. They apparently don't want me to get excited about their products, and it's working.
Precisely how I feel. Part of me hopes this is just a phase that will pass once they see what a horrible marketing idea it is to utterly deprive your fans of anything they might possibly get excited about, and fire the genius responsible. But I get the sinking feeling they will ignorantly carry on like this. Shame really. I used to love talking about upcoming releases. GW has taken that away, effectively killing my enthusiasm for everything they do.
I think they have, or they just killed off all outgoing connections in the Studio and other departments. I find it amazing that there still isn't a leak or teaser of sorts going on. All we have is wild, wild speculation.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Though 28mm Inquisitor sounds sexy, here's hoping that the models will be spanking good and if it's a bit like the old 54mm stuff, my girl is bound to jump in again with both feet.
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They had the ability to literally swim though air by forcing air out from under themselves creating a area that propel them a small amount of the ground.
I feel the whole mess is idiotic. I'm not a child, and don't really appreciate a bit of fun at the hands of GW. I know they don't mean it like that, but They need to communicate a bit better with their customers, or not at all.
Its odd, I've played Warhammer for about seventeen years. I have no plans to stop anytime soon, and I imagine I'll play for seventeen more years.
However, between idiotic shenanigans like this, and their monstrous prices, I have not purchased any related GW products in about a year. I do have the luxury of a mountain of unpainted stuff, But I will not be buying anything new from them anytime soon.
Seventy to a hundred dollars for a board game? It would seem to me that's the real surprise.
pox wrote:I feel the whole mess is idiotic. I'm not a child, and don't really appreciate a bit of fun at the hands of GW. I know they don't mean it like that, but They need to communicate a bit better with their customers, or not at all.
Its odd, I've played Warhammer for about seventeen years. I have no plans to stop anytime soon, and I imagine I'll play for seventeen more years.
However, between idiotic shenanigans like this, and their monstrous prices, I have not purchased any related GW products in about a year. I do have the luxury of a mountain of unpainted stuff, But I will not be buying anything new from them anytime soon.
Seventy to a hundred dollars for a board game? It would seem to me that's the real surprise.
Right. For the last time (sorry to pick on you for this Pox. Isn't personal I assure you).
The mystery box isn't necessarly anything that has been rumoured. The only thing we know is that on 17th August 2009, a new item comes for advanced order. The staff don't know what this is any more than we do. We will not be ordering blind. The second it hits the pre-order section, it will cease to be a mystery.
It is not necessarily Space Hulk. It is not necessarily a Board Game. It is not necessarily something GW have never done before. BolS presented a round of up sorts, selected repeated grumblings from around the Web, none of which are necessarily true or related to one another.
Alpharius wrote:Anyway, I still don't think GW has 'figured out' the Internet yet...
Oh I'm positive they haven't. Does anybody remember when GW had their own official forums on their website? It was a great place to chat about news and rumors and your favorite armies, but, like every forum in existence, there was a lot of frustrated and negative commentary. I get the feeling that GW representatives like Jervis get all butt-hurt when they get wind of angry customers, so they bury their heads in the ground (by, say, annihilating their own forums and refusing to allow any hints to circulate so they can't be criticized?) They haven't yet reached the maturity to understand that even negative expression from fans is good and generates excited anticipation. It means people care. Yet GW is happily strolling down the road toward effectively preventing us from caring...
pox wrote:I feel the whole mess is idiotic. I'm not a child, and don't really appreciate a bit of fun at the hands of GW. I know they don't mean it like that, but They need to communicate a bit better with their customers, or not at all.
Its odd, I've played Warhammer for about seventeen years. I have no plans to stop anytime soon, and I imagine I'll play for seventeen more years.
However, between idiotic shenanigans like this, and their monstrous prices, I have not purchased any related GW products in about a year. I do have the luxury of a mountain of unpainted stuff, But I will not be buying anything new from them anytime soon.
Seventy to a hundred dollars for a board game? It would seem to me that's the real surprise.
Right. For the last time (sorry to pick on you for this Pox. Isn't personal I assure you).
The mystery box isn't necessarly anything that has been rumoured. The only thing we know is that on 17th August 2009, a new item comes for advanced order. The staff don't know what this is any more than we do. We will not be ordering blind. The second it hits the pre-order section, it will cease to be a mystery.
It is not necessarily Space Hulk. It is not necessarily a Board Game. It is not necessarily something GW have never done before. BolS presented a round of up sorts, selected repeated grumblings from around the Web, none of which are necessarily true or related to one another.
Me, I reckon it's Azhag The Slaughterer.
Welp, my bad, board games are that expensive. And I suppose Azhag does make sense, if they're finally going to launch their "master class" range of models. I just don't know why they would release it as a limited edition model.
BrookM wrote:Well, gotta give GW some credit for keeping it under lock and key for so long. I think it goes to show that GW could be intentionally leaking some things after all when they want to.
Of course, if it is Space Hulk then it was leaked, ages ago.
But I suppose it demonstrates that muddying the water works.
*** Second wave of Imperial Guard, with a limited/special edition boxed set of Lord Solar Macharius and command staff.*** (jk) I really wish they would.
But second wave of Imp Guard is to be released very soon, could be related...???
Sidstyler wrote:Maybe it's a box full of Germans! Which they're going to reveal...at Games Day Germany!
...I don't really get it. How have they been living in that box for so long?
why should we see us as highlight of the year?
Remember we dont have this box presented to us, our hints consist of dropping a bomb....
Maybe the british are jealous of the continentals getting all the sneak peeks ( france, spain, italy ) and try to erase all evidence
of GW's presence outside the UK?
The t-shirts are not necessarily related to the box. Didn't someone point out earlier in this thread that they are related to GW opening a new rumors section on their website? Or was that just a guess?
Didn't we have a thread on this Mystery Box topic already that got closed just before this thread got started because no one had any actual information to add and all the posts had become strictly jokes, opinion commentary or wishes? Isn't this thread now also exactly like that? MODS?
BrassScorpion wrote:Didn't we have a thread on this Mystery Box topic already that got closed just before this thread got started because no one had any actual information to add and all the posts had become strictly jokes, opinion commentary or wishes? Isn't this thread now also exactly like that? MODS?
Elessar wrote:I cannot show my proof - I do, however, know the contents of the box. As for the T-Shirt, well, that's just deductive reasoning.
And how do you know this? Only one way to prove it. PM me the night before it's announced, telling me what it is. Then I can verify to Dakka you weren't pulling our chain.
Oh arr, and do you know know whats inside it, as in first hand information, or have you been told by an assumingly good source as to what it is? Don't need to know your source if it's the latter!
BrassScorpion wrote:Didn't we have a thread on this Mystery Box topic already that got closed just before this thread got started because no one had any actual information to add and all the posts had become strictly jokes, opinion commentary or wishes? Isn't this thread now also exactly like that? MODS?
A mod made this thread.
Well...
While I did make this thread, and I am a Mod, it certainly doesn't mean anything other than just that.
I thought we were close enough to the launch that we might be able to 'figure this out'.
Either that or Philbrad, Brimstone, or someone else would drift by and drop a hint that would help us out.
If this thread doesn't just die out of its own lack on info, or drifts too far afield, I'm sure it will suffer the same fate of all such threads...
I just really hope that this box isn't a huuuuge let down. I mean all this built up and then if it were to just be some worthless statue or something.....
I dunno mate. All GW have said is that there is a release on the 16th, and thats it.
The rest as far as I can make it purely Interweb Speculation. As I said earlier, the BolS report is more a rumour consolidation than a single, cohesive rumour. All those things could have been mentioned individually...
Starwars has shown that people will buy empty boxes with the word "limited edition" on it.. Perhaps its just an empty box that GW is gonna charge 50$ for and give you a limited edition # to show you were a party of a short print run!
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:I dunno mate. All GW have said is that there is a release on the 16th, and thats it.
The rest as far as I can make it purely Interweb Speculation. As I said earlier, the BolS report is more a rumour consolidation than a single, cohesive rumour. All those things could have been mentioned individually...
Um, it wasn't quite as simple as that.
GW HAS hyped this a bit more than that, what with the "never been done before", "limted quantities, when they're gone they're gone!" and some strange "We're droppin' the bomb on the 16th" talk...
That's a tad more than "Stay tuned for...{yawn]...some odd release at GD Germany."
Colour me not that interested. Got plenty of stuff on the go at the moment and I'm not being dragged off in another direction (although I'll still want to know what the damn thing was).
The T-shirts sporting the "Everything you've been told is a lie" tag-line are promoting the re-launch of the GW website. They are not related to the "Mystery Box".
Well that's good... and also lame. They've launched the new website. It's clunky and slow has little in the way of 'hobby'. Why do you need T-shirts about it?
I spent all of yesterday playing with the new Bastion kit that a friend of mine brought over (and building a Shadowsword), seeing what it could do, what it's compatible with (ie. everything) and have myself to the fact that I'm going to buy another 10 Bastions to built this super-fortress thingy I want now.
So more terrain would be great, and I've heard more rumours about that Indomitable Fortress thing from the PS book actually being released... so who knows.
Probably none. I mean, it's not like GW supports their other games beyond 40K/Fantasy/Rings, so this would be no different.
And why must it be 'nerd rage'. Jesus fething Christ on a God-damned mother fething pogo-stick I hate that phrase.
It seems that anyone who isn't annoyed can simply class the people who are annoyed as 'nerd-raging', instantly trivialising their complaint. It's an institutionalised ad hominem attack and it needs to stop.
It's almost as annoying as that fething 'Speehs Mahreens' meme.
I hope they don't make it so limited that no one can actually get hold of it. I'm fed up of "limited editions" of just about anything, I just want to see miniatures in a catalog and be able to buy them. I don't have access to a GW store but would like a fair opportunity to have the chance to buy the contents of this "mystery box" if they interest me.
Kirasu wrote:Starwars has shown that people will buy empty boxes with the word "limited edition" on it.. Perhaps its just an empty box that GW is gonna charge 50$ for and give you a limited edition # to show you were a party of a short print run!
The staff at my local GW have started wearing new shirts that say "everything youve been told is a lie," when I asked the manager about it he said it was in reference to bell of lost souls and warseer spreading rumors about some mystery box.
Falconlance wrote:The staff at my local GW have started wearing new shirts that say "everything youve been told is a lie," when I asked the manager about it he said it was in reference to bell of lost souls and warseer spreading rumors about some mystery box.
and dakka! don't forget dakka! heck, we're gossiping just as much as much as those other old ladies!
Falconlance wrote:The staff at my local GW have started wearing new shirts that say "everything youve been told is a lie," when I asked the manager about it he said it was in reference to bell of lost souls and warseer spreading rumors about some mystery box.
That's my least favorite intenet meme right there, the GW approved almost-swear kiddy safe version of a popular epithet.
To be fair, HBMC did in fact use the real F-word, the Dakka filter simply bowdlerized him. Just quote his post and check the un-PC version of his post in the textbox.
Falconlance wrote:The staff at my local GW have started wearing new shirts that say "everything youve been told is a lie," when I asked the manager about it he said it was in reference to bell of lost souls and warseer spreading rumors about some mystery box.
I call BS. They were just messing with you.
No, it's the truth. I talked to a regional manager at the Seattle Battle bunker and he said the same thing about the new shirts. Apparently the studio doesn't like how far and wide the rumors are on sites like BoLS, etc (how wrong they are), so they had the shirts made.
However, that's a problem of their own making by choosing to keep their cards so close to their chest about unreleased product. Don't comment on things: people will speculate. Don't like it? Say something concrete. Or make a new shirt. Or whatever.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Probably none. I mean, it's not like GW supports their other games beyond 40K/Fantasy/Rings, so this would be no different.
If it is not something players/collectors/whatever group(s) feel is equal to Space Hulk (if it is not Space Hulk), there will be "raging" when the product is announced, even though GW itself has not directly claimed it will be Space Hulk in anyway.
H.B.M.C. wrote:And why must it be 'nerd rage'.
Sorry, I have not as yet heard a proper alternative term that accurately describes this phenomenon better than "nerd rage". If you have one, please share, we will try to not let it become a meme.
If it doesn't "measure" up I think that there won't be as much Raging but it will land with a 'thud' and then the sound of crickets chirping will take over.
Maybe if they get pissy enough about rumors they'll do something about it and actually tell us what's coming more than 1 month from now. Problem solved.
Moopy wrote:Apparently the studio doesn't like how far and wide the rumors are on sites like BoLS, etc (how wrong they are), so they had the shirts made.
I can see this being true... Only GW would deal with the problem with some vague, meaningless platitude on a T-shirt instead of actually opening their chubby fething yaps and communicating with their fans about upcoming releases.
It is an all new game, it's RC40K, with little mini robot army men that you still build and paint, but instead of rolling dice they can just walk across your kitchen table and beat the styrene out of the other guy's models.
Moopy wrote:Apparently the studio doesn't like how far and wide the rumors are on sites like BoLS, etc (how wrong they are), so they had the shirts made.
I can see this being true... Only GW would deal with the problem with some vague, meaningless platitude on a T-shirt instead of actually opening their chubby fething yaps and communicating with their fans about upcoming releases.
Trouble is, when we find out about stuff really early, we all want it there and then, and by the time it comes out, it's old hat as we are drooling over the next big thing due in three months time!
Tight Mouthed Larry can be a very good tactic.
Oh, and don't forget how often people hear rumours which are inaccurate, and judge the new model or book according to the wrong rumours, leading to disappointment and unfair rubbishing of a product!
No, it's the truth. I talked to a regional manager at the Seattle Battle bunker and he said the same thing about the new shirts. Apparently the studio doesn't like how far and wide the rumors are on sites like BoLS, etc (how wrong they are), so they had the shirts made.
However, that's a problem of their own making by choosing to keep their cards so close to their chest about unreleased product. Don't comment on things: people will speculate. Don't like it? Say something concrete. Or make a new shirt. Or whatever.
The manager I talked to said that people who register with the GW website and elect to get the newsletter will find out about these kinds of things sooner than someone who doesnt. Which still means its going to be up on BoLS, but its going to be from the horses mouth rather than speculation.
He also mentioned that the newsletter is going to go weekly rather than monthly. I hope thats not their "mystery box" right there.
What will just kill me is if it was just something silly and whimsical I bet it was just being released for a laugh and it has now been blown so out of proportion that the people who are in the know are looking in the box and just going "oh, shoot".
I bet you that this is something they didn't realize would get this out of control and take a life on of its own.
My bet is still a space marine bobble head.
The day the news is released I think I we will all hear "oh" followed by a big sigh. The posts on Dakka that day will be amusing no doubt.
fullheadofhair wrote:What will just kill me is if it was just something silly and whimsical I bet it was just being released for a laugh and it has now been blown so out of proportion that the people who are in the know are looking in the box and just going "oh, shoot".
I kind of agree. GW marketing tends to be ham-fisted at best. It may be something entirely uninteresting by the time it comes out, quite posibly something that is new for GW, but everyone else has been doing for years or something.
malfred wrote:I just hope it's something people actually want, and not just something GW wants to sell.
I know you do malfred, I know... That's what we all want, but everyone knows that GW doesn't care what we want. I guarantee that what tumbles out of that mystery box will be some gimmick that nobody asked for.
malfred wrote:I just hope it's something people actually want, and not just something GW wants to sell.
I know you do malfred, I know... That's what we all want, but everyone knows that GW doesn't care what we want. I guarantee that what tumbles out of that mystery box will be some gimmick that nobody asked for.
OK, you're on!
If you're wrong, per your guarantee, what do you plan to do/offer as compensation?
Well, whateve it turns out to be, its ona be one of 2 things, 1: its gona be smething packed with models and well worth the price, or 2: something really crap and bad , with people saying "why the hell would i pay 60 or 70 quid for that crap"
40K Blood Bowl would be awesome! And so would a new army, can be used in ANY of their 3 games . . . a whole army of intergalactic proton powered electrical tenticalled advertising droids . . . with Darth Harrington as their leader! That would be freaking awesome! =D
But seriously, no-one knows, and yes the T-shirts are about getting people to sign up to the website as this gives GW a better idea of how many hobbysits there are, and allows them to send info about new things to everyone, including people don't go into stores regularly.
Yes, Yes they do. and heaven forbid someone with their own mailserver, a.org domain, and a random name generator would so something uncouth with their system.
BrookM wrote:It's going to be unveiled on the 18th. Though there are some smuggies around who already know what it is and act all high and mighty about it. Gits.
malfred wrote:I just hope it's something people actually want, and not just something GW wants to sell.
I know you do malfred, I know... That's what we all want, but everyone knows that GW doesn't care what we want. I guarantee that what tumbles out of that mystery box will be some gimmick that nobody asked for.
OK, you're on!
If you're wrong, per your guarantee, what do you plan to do/offer as compensation?
I'll take your wager and raise you a testicle if I'm wrong.
GW has pretty much said "It's something completely new and absolutely unexpectable!!!" Which really means "We spent a bunch of time on something nobody asked for!!!"
I'm fine with GW churning out new 40k projects... AFTER they update 5th edition codices.
BrookM wrote:It's going to be unveiled on the 18th. Though there are some smuggies around who already know what it is and act all high and mighty about it. Gits.
The answer you are looking for is just a click away...This would not surprise me at all.
This clip was all I could think about when this topic comes to mind. I do hope it is cool and becomes the next, must have thing. Based on its own merit not this cloak and dagger advertising.
It really depends on presentation. I half expect them to just upturn the box, toss the sprues on a table and go "so yeah.." with a shrug while sipping coffee.
Still though...who CAN'T wait for the 18th? Even if it is just crap....hopefully something decent though. The whole Mystery Box thing sure as hell better mean something cool, because that's just so mystery box-like.
See you say it jokingly, but that would actually be quite cool . . . but yeah I love the fact that everyone saying they don't think this mystery box idea was good as it kills hype . . . but instead it made loads of hype about people trying to 2nd guess GW about what it is . . . but also it has built it so high that like 90% of people will be disappointed, whereas the 10% who were right will buy 10 each lol
Was in my local store earlier, and the staff were all wearing the 'Everything you have been told is a lie' T shirts, on the back was something about the emporers truth and the games workshop website.
The manager said it was basically 'stop reading the rumour websites, as the GW website will now have more news on'
Are they more defined Ringwraiths, or just new characters?
Speaking of which, is GW allowed to make up LOTR characters, or does everything they do have to come from Tolkien's stuff (no matter how obscure). How much creative lisence do they have?
H.B.M.C. wrote:I spent all of yesterday playing with the new Bastion kit that a friend of mine brought over (and building a Shadowsword), seeing what it could do, what it's compatible with (ie. everything) and have myself to the fact that I'm going to buy another 10 Bastions to built this super-fortress thingy I want now.
So more terrain would be great, and I've heard more rumours about that Indomitable Fortress thing from the PS book actually being released... so who knows.
The Indomitable Fortress can be easily made from two or more Bastion kits, a Razorback Twin lascannon Turret, and the Castellan missile noses from the Whirlwind or some other suitable missile system. It's so sweet how the Bastions and Aegis line are so compatible with existing turrets. I'm planning on buying a few more Bastion kits.
WarsmithMorgoth wrote:I bet its the long-rumored plastic Thunderhawk.
Years ago they released a metal thunderhawk in a wooden box for something like $1,000 as a special edition collectors dealie.
Yeah, they made three of them for a Gamesday during Second Edition days to complement their Chapter of the Ultramarines for one of their first huge dioramas. I guess they decided to put the molds to good use by cranking out 300 or so. They sold 250 of them to the public and gave away a bunch of them until they wore out the molds. I've also got the instruction manual for it. I can't imagine building a box out of pewter...I can't remember what they did for a flying base, but if a flying base can't handle Sammael on a jetbike, I'm sure it wouldn't last long with 25 pounds of pewter on top of it..
wittzo wrote:The Indomitable Fortress can be easily made from two or more Bastion kits, a Razorback Twin lascannon Turret, and the Castellan missile noses from the Whirlwind or some other suitable missile system. It's so sweet how the Bastions and Aegis line are so compatible with existing turrets. I'm planning on buying a few more Bastion kits.
I know you can do an approximation of the Indomitable Fortress using standard PS stuff, but I'm talking about the actual kit they showed in the PS book.
And yes, the compatabilty with current turrets is beyond awesome. You can take one of the ground-based Lascannons or Quad-Cannons and swap them with any Razorback TL-Las, HB or Assault Cannon. Instant Tarantulas!!!
H.B.M.C. wrote:Are they more defined Ringwraiths, or just new characters?
Speaking of which, is GW allowed to make up LOTR characters, or does everything they do have to come from Tolkien's stuff (no matter how obscure). How much creative lisence do they have?
Just new designs of GW's own hand to help and make the Nine more diverse. The novels only speak of the Witch King and Khamul the Easterling IRC, so GW did their own take on the other kings. They also made up the names for them along with the armour / clothing designs. The Tolkien foundation gave them a green light on these designs.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Are they more defined Ringwraiths, or just new characters?
Speaking of which, is GW allowed to make up LOTR characters, or does everything they do have to come from Tolkien's stuff (no matter how obscure). How much creative lisence do they have?
They can use any info about a character directly mentioned in the main texts and introductions of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings or added by the movies. They also have access to some of the stuff added by Iron Crown Enterprises when they had the license (even though Saul did not actually have those rights to give to New Line but the movies used elements that I.C.E. created anyway). They can add characters as they please (within limits and they still have to have approval) and can add new material to existing characters/creatures such as building up the Ringwraiths into actual characters instead of them staying nameless/backgroundless boogiemen. They do not have access to any material created by Christopher Tolkien (this includes Unfinished Tales and The Silmarillion) nor most of the info in the appendices of The Return of the King.
"They do not have access to any material created by Christopher Tolkien (this includes Unfinished Tales and The Silmarillion) nor most of the info in the appendices of The Return of the King."
H.B.M.C. wrote:"They do not have access to any material created by Christopher Tolkien (this includes Unfinished Tales and The Silmarillion) nor most of the info in the appendices of The Return of the King."
GW's license is through the movie release and they only bought the rights to the books previously mentioned. every book and/or country/region they release stuff in costs money.
Reaver83 wrote:Was in my local store earlier, and the staff were all wearing the 'Everything you have been told is a lie' T shirts, on the back was something about the emporers truth and the games workshop website.
The manager said it was basically 'stop reading the rumour websites, as the GW website will now have more news on'
I'd trust him on this, but hey ho.
Yeah right.
"Hey everyone, only read the propaganda on our internet store."
Like anyone is actually going to fall for that and stop reading the other sites. It's a waste of their effort.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Are they more defined Ringwraiths, or just new characters?
Speaking of which, is GW allowed to make up LOTR characters, or does everything they do have to come from Tolkien's stuff (no matter how obscure). How much creative lisence do they have?
I dunno, I always assumed there were nine ringwraiths, but now it seems like there's at least twice that number. Maybe they've just read a lot more Tolkien lore than I have or they're just pulling gak out of their ass to try and keep the game going.
There are 9 ringwraiths, it's just that GW has now given names to all 9, instead of just 2 of them. Also given them special rules etc. just added a bit more flavour to everything really.
Now these t-shirts are appearing at GW stores I'm starting to think there is no 'mystery box'. Can just see GW turning round on the day and saying 'We never said anything about a mystery box it was all on those rumour-mongering sites, stick with our official web-site and know the facts NOT rumours.' Or something along those lines...
Mick
Mystery box is probably just a fancy way of selling off all the returned vacuum formed terrain.
On a more serious note... I heard what I considered an unreliable rumor that sounds a bit like this. That GW was considereing bundling (in box) and selling as a pre-release a number of items set to come out in the month following the boxes sale. Making this a sem-regular occurance and a means to get some items early.
Wild sepculation... thunderhawk, because if we say we believe in a plastic thunderhawk it will come true.
what makes a plastic warhound so much easier to do than a plastic thunderhawk? I think they'd equally be a tough kit to make, especially because they might want to make a warhound a bit posable and that will require more pieces for joints, etc.
Although I do have a feeling one of the big reasons FW started selling weapons separately is so that they can be ordered for the plastic one some day
BrookM wrote:It's going to be unveiled on the 18th. Though there are some smuggies around who already know what it is and act all high and mighty about it. Gits.
Now I wish I hadn't been joking around again by saying thunderhawk. Coming from someone with background in plastic mould design, me, I can easily say a thunderhawk would be easier than a Warhound. That said I don't believe its anysort of large scale model. They would be hyping it 3 months ago if it were.
The mystery box just strikes me as something not all that worthwhile.
H.B.M.C. wrote:"They do not have access to any material created by Christopher Tolkien (this includes Unfinished Tales and The Silmarillion) nor most of the info in the appendices of The Return of the King."
What's the reason behind this?
Saul Zaentz bought most of the rights to The Hobbit/LotR in 1976, before Christopher started adding/adding to the other works. If I remember correctly, Chris did not like what happened with the Bakshi film and so would not sell rights to the new stuff.
The appendices were lost because of some goof up with rights before Tolkien died (if I remember correctly) and was part of why the copies of the LotR in the 70s have notices about buying official copies or similar (at work, so I can't get the actual text).
Some of the I.C.E. materials were "added" when Saul's group basically caused the old I.C.E. to go bankrupt to get back certain rights I.C.E. took over so the movies could be made.
I would love a plastic Thunderhawk . . . there has just been one of the metal ones on eBay for £175 . . . without the box and certificate etc . . . was kinda like what's the point? lol . . . but yeah a plastic one would rule, but won't be in the mystery box.
My money is on Space Hulk, or some new awesome boardgame . . . but I can see a boardgame being the way to go with it. Especially at £50 . . . the same as a starter box.
EDIT: Saying that, just as i clicked post a thought struck me . . . WOTR starter box anyone? They wouldn't sell very many though lol
Inside the box will be.....another box, and in that box will be.....another box, but inside that box will be.....wait for it.......wait for it.......a golden ticket that entitles the bearer for a free tour of GW. ---Oopa-loompa's dance in the background.
Alpharius wrote:No way is it a plastic Thunderhawk!
They absolutely would not limit themselves in selling that thing, as the cost to get it up and running would be rather high.
Which, in turn, is why I think well see a plastic Warhound before we see a plastic Thunderhawk.
Necros wrote:what makes a plastic warhound so much easier to do than a plastic thunderhawk? I think they'd equally be a tough kit to make, especially because they might want to make a warhound a bit posable and that will require more pieces for joints, etc.
Although I do have a feeling one of the big reasons FW started selling weapons separately is so that they can be ordered for the plastic one some day
I don't recall saying it would be harder to make a Thunderhawk, what I was saying is that, with all the time and investment that goes into developing it and the molds, I think they'd sell a hell of a lot more plastic Titans than Marine Super Heavy Flyers.
Not to mention, on top of that, this thing is supposed to be a 'limited edition' 'when it is gone it is gone' thing.
Does that really sound like "Plastic Thunderhawk" to you?
its going to be a box with a small bag of soil from gwhq, and will have a little note with it about how its infused with the gw mojo and merely rubbing a big on you will infuse you with their power.........
yea, i'm running on ideas of what it could be.......i know, a box of English air
All the even bigger plastics, like the game board set just show how big GW could really make components if they really wanted to. If nothing else proves the capability that does. Thunderhawk or Warhound, it'd likely be more $ than the Stompa.
Space Hulk with 2 'limited edition' metal figures. Metal figures are the only things GW have done as limited edition. After the initial run you will still be able to get Space Hulk but without the metal figures...
Mick
Mick A wrote:Space Hulk with 2 'limited edition' metal figures. Metal figures are the only things GW have done as limited edition. After the initial run you will still be able to get Space Hulk but without the metal figures...
Mick
I think you're probably right and this is what the "Mystery Box" will end up being...
Kinda of lame, but still, an 'official' unveiling of Space Hulk will still be cool enough.
On one hand - OMG! Space Hulk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 ZOMG!!!!!!!2
On the other hand - It probably won't be compatable with the previous two editions (ie. the tiles won't fit), meaning it won't work with what I want the game for.
On the other other hand - It'd be written by the current GWDev team... and that just fills me with dread.
El Taco Bell wrote:Folks in the Lounge are seeing movement regarding the Mystery Box.
Latest talk says:
"GW already offering preorder to the retail shops at at approx 50 GBP - It's Space Hulk with terrain , Terminators Genestealers and 2 metal miniatures. For now there are no plans to sell space hulk in more than 1 print - this is limited edition"
~It may only be available at Brick and Mortar stores and the GW Web Store, and supplies may be very limited. I don't know about you but this may be the "Tickle-me-ELMO" moment for Games workshop with hordes of old-timers pulling out the stops to lay their hands on the limited copies of this. I'm already working on my nefarious plans to secure one....How about you?
Should I post this as a new thread? That way Taco Bell can copypasta me in a week's time and post it as news?
I really hope that they've made enough for the demand if this is real.
It would indeed make the Tshirts rather stupid, and take the credibility away from their new rumor department on the site before it's even up.
Way too go GW
And for that price, will we get Black Reach quality Terminators? Otherwise the 2x Terminators + Genestealers box leaves little value left for the terrain. Or will it truly be a bargain and will it be the normal miniatures + 2 metal figures and quality terrain for the 90 euro/50 pounds?
Idk, unless the terrain is really really good it looks like this will save me some money.
Iorek wrote:Looks like everyone's going to try and order three boxes now.
One to play with, one to keep for later, and one to sell on eBay for $120 USD.
Except that when eBay gets glutted with a bunch of these all at once a lot of people selling them are going to be disappointed in the considerably lower amounts of money they are making than what they had hoped.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Well all the talk over at BoLS's new 'Lounge' (can we call it Warseer Mk.II and be done with it?) is pre-paints.
Not good.
Why is it that every time I've said that they're considering this for Space Hulk since January, everyone jumps down my throat and says that it will never happen, but once it comes from Taco BoLS, it's suddenly news?
H.B.M.C. wrote:Well all the talk over at BoLS's new 'Lounge' (can we call it Warseer Mk.II and be done with it?) is pre-paints.
Not good.
Why is it that every time I've said that they're considering this for Space Hulk since January, everyone jumps down my throat and says that it will never happen, but once it comes from Taco BoLS, it's suddenly news?
Sheeple are easily led by the big names. In their eyes "small fry" don't count, welcome to the club.
"Why the T-shirts?" Again, the T-shirts are promoting the GW website and have nothing directly to do with the "Mystery Box" any more or less than any other GW product.
BrassScorpion wrote:"Why the T-shirts?" Again, the T-shirts are promoting the GW website and have nothing directly to do with the "Mystery Box" any more or less than any other GW product.
Or is it just more misdirection? OOoo... The plot thickens.
Careful! Don't complain too much about the t-shirts. Next they'll just have hairy guys staffing the stores, shirtless, with "Seriously, you shouldn't have complained about the t-shirts" shaved into their chest and back hair.
Iorek wrote:Careful! Don't complain too much about the t-shirts. Next they'll just have hairy guys staffing the stores, shirtless, with "Seriously, you shouldn't have complained about the t-shirts" shaved into their chest and back hair.
duuuuuuuuude
...... that is just not right.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Anyway ... everything you have been told is a lie. Dark Angels worship the chaos gods.
It's an empty cardboard box with brown wrapping over it and a felt tip question mark drawn on it.
But really, he did say a couple of things.
He was saying it's not space hulk or the thunderhawk.
Believe that what you will. He did however repeat the 'its a brand new game' line but the actual possible 'new' information is.
They will have a couple of copies of the game in the store on August 17th and people will be able to play it. He also added, he was only told that on the phone on Tuesday
So that really does suggest to me at least, that it is a game, so at the very least HQ are phoning around to say, "hey, leave your calendar open for games that day."
My own theorizing says, it's probably "The Space Crusades of the Necromundian Inquisitor Kill Teams attacking Tyranids on Gorkamorkan hulks."
In other words, probably a kind of LOTR SBG style 40k
BrassScorpion wrote:"Why the T-shirts?" Again, the T-shirts are promoting the GW website and have nothing directly to do with the "Mystery Box" any more or less than any other GW product.
Yes, but I think you are missing the point.
They have those Tshirts to promote their website, including their supposedly new(?) news and rumors section, and they are using the slogans "Everything you've been told is a lie" and "The emperor (aka their website in this case) is the only truth" in an attempt to lure people from sites like this one to theirs because according to them the only truth can be found at their website.
In other words: everything we've been told (on sites like this one) is a lie and they are the only credible source.
But IF the mystery box really is Space Hulk then they have been the ones lying, and the rumor sites have been right all along, which would obviously make the whole idea behind the Tshirts quite a mockery. Thát is why the mystery box is being linked to the Tshirts.
