Well, finally plastic DP is out...

Well, finally plastic DP is out...

It seems like a pretty good model. Should be very easy to convert and personalise too.

The only thing I would want to get is the plastic Bloodcrusher.

Im stunned.
Pics of a new release, and they dont all look like gak.

Granted, all the current slaanesh crap needs burning and starting over.
Plastic crushers? Where do i sign?
As with H. I fething hate them in metal, there is no stability.

Horrors: Again, where do i sign? these look great, and will mix in with the metal ones without looking too out of place.

Kairos: Plastic or metal, saves me buying 2 LOC's and cutting its fething head off.

Change: Not bad, may sculpt a cloak over his shoulder though to cover the flames and dodgy army.



All in all, nice one GW
Now have to wait for release XD

I'm liking it all!

Hoping its more than one bloodcrusher per box (assuming they are plastic), but I'm not counting on it.

The seekers are cool, might have to play around with those

The daemon prince is cool. Will work well with either marines or daemons

Fateweaver is awesome!

The horrors will work well with the current metal ones (need to buy some just for nostalgias sake before its too late!), heres hoping they're 22USD for 10 minis or better!

And then... changeling? looks pretty sweet too.

I like all of them but the horrors. I think the current ones fit the fluff of constantly changing little blobs better. The fingers are just wierd too.

Everything else is wonderful. Another DP is appreciated and needed. Seekers are the only thing iffy but hey the sculptor had to work with the current models and this isnt bad considering.

The crushers are indeed plastic and likely a single model set as they are now and like crisis suits.

There is nothing I see I don't like.

As for people saying Fateweaver is awesome, I say "Thank you." I love compliments.

People say the model is awesome, in game he is a prick

Fateweaver wrote:There is nothing I see I don't like.

As for people saying Fateweaver is awesome, I say "Thank you." I love compliments.

hahaha i lol'd at that one

he is a sweet model though

Yes, it's hard to look this good and not be a prick.

Thank goodness Fast attack sucks with the exception being Seekers. I'm thinking 3 packs of 10. I'm thinking 8 Bloodcrushers, Fateweaver, 3 Nurgle DP's and at least 1 Horror unit w/Changeling....the rest plaguebearers and bloodletters and daemonettes to take me to 2500.

Fast attack suck? :O
The flying meltabombs, erm, i mean screamers dont agree with you


also, i like the 4++ from tzeentch princes instead of that extra T.
also, its cheaper


Saying that though, i just dislike nurgle.

I'm liking the DP he looks pretty easy to convert, but I wish they gave him a weapon of some sorts.

FlammingGaunt wrote:I'm liking the DP he looks pretty easy to convert, but I wish they gave him a weapon of some sorts.

The set comes with an axe and a sword at least(if the previous fantasy version pictures are to be believed), and probably won't be hard to use those hands with the 40K parts.

۞ Jack ۞ wrote:Fast attack suck? :O
The flying meltabombs, erm, i mean screamers dont agree with you


also, i like the 4++ from tzeentch princes instead of that extra T.
also, its cheaper


Saying that though, i just dislike nurgle.

Screamers suck and a T6 DP will survive against the majority (non-ap2/ap3/ap1 guns) better than a 4++ save DP will.

I want that Lord of Change. Awesome model, period.

I can't hear you over how awesome I am.

I'm glad I picked this username. Now for the next few weeks people will be "Fateweaver is awesome", "I must have Fateweaver", "Fateweaver is the bees knees".

Yak: can we change Fate's name to "The Masque"?

Kanluwen wrote:Yak: can we change Fate's name to "The Masque"?

I love everything, even the seekers.(thought they don't compare to the older ones.) The horrors are just...wow!! I'm definatley starting a daemon army now! The only thing that I don't like is that all the daemon princes look like giant space marines. Definatley won't work as well in a daemons army( fantasy or 40k)

Found these on librariumonline. hope the pictures show up.

I don´t think it´s the changeling but a herald of tzeentch but it sure can be used as both ...

Those that I wanted the most were the daemonettes on steeds but now I don´t know ... They don´t look very fast to me , hopefully there´s a way to arrange that with posing ...

The new face on the DP look way better than both in the WoC book ...

And with the new rules in Fantasy it will be a blast with 10 or more bloodcrusher´s ( I hope )

Somebody is just jealous of my awesomeness. If you stand close enough some of it may just rub off on you.

I am so glad I hung on to some of my Daemons and didn't get rid of them all or buy a bunch of metals.

I'm guessing horrors will be 10 for $22; Changeling probably a $12-15 model; Seekers I'm guessing to be Knight prices; Fateweaver to be GD price ($45-50) and Crushers to be box of 3 for $45 (though even 1 for $20 wouldn't be awful).

I'm thinking I'm going to run 2 x 6 Crushers and 4 Fiends as Elite. So just need 11 more Crushers.


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Unskul wrote:I don´t think it´s the changeling but a herald of tzeentch but it sure can be used as both ...

Those that I wanted the most were the daemonettes on steeds but now I don´t know ... They don´t look very fast to me , hopefully there´s a way to arrange that with posing ...

The new face on the DP look way better than both in the WoC book ...

And with the new rules in Fantasy it will be a blast with 10 or more bloodcrusher´s ( I hope )

The model is the Changeling. Go to the 40K Daemon tactica section of the GW site; that is where all those images were taken from.

Fateweaver wrote:

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Unskul wrote:I don´t think it´s the changeling but a herald of tzeentch but it sure can be used as both ...

Those that I wanted the most were the daemonettes on steeds but now I don´t know ... They don´t look very fast to me , hopefully there´s a way to arrange that with posing ...

The new face on the DP look way better than both in the WoC book ...

And with the new rules in Fantasy it will be a blast with 10 or more bloodcrusher´s ( I hope )

The model is the Changeling. Go to the 40K Daemon tactica section of the GW site; that is where all those images were taken from.

That and it looks exactly like the Changeling art in the books...

I like it. It's too bad you can only have 1 per army.

Orkhead wrote:Found these on librariumonline. hope the pictures show up.

Those are awesome!

ya i find my self liking the fantasy version far better than the 40k version. might have to find a way to show iron hide on them.

Iron hide is described as being tougher skin, along with pieces of armor.

Just paint them to have a more leathery skin appearance.

Well that was an impressive find. Bet GW are spitting teeth about that leak Impressive models, especially the 40K Daemon Prince. Is that two headed Lord of Change plastic do we think? It looks a bit static IMO.

It's metal.

The Changeling and Kairos are metal. All others (even the Crusher) are plastic.

Spartacusbob wrote:

Saw this on the games workshop website in their daemons announcement and saw the new daemon prince hiding in the corner
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=8800001a

I'm not going through 11 pages to confirm that someone else said this already, so apologies to whomever has done so already...

That DP on the left is Belakor, and he's metal.

If the crushers are in fact plastic I'm prepped to pre-order 15 of them. A new army project has been chewing on the back of my grey matter, and those would very easily seal the deal.

One more thing to distract from the GDUS entries...

Thanks for the pics!

Ok, time to bite the bullet i guess
Been wanting to play daemons for a while, got the dex, now i may have to buy something lol.


big question is, what do i buy?
Im sure i can get £50 or so out of the bank and not miss it too badly until friday (payday!)

Also, what size bases are daemons princes?
on the GW site they use 40mm for basic prince and 60mm for nurgle one.
Tempted to buy the river trolls and use them for daemons princes of nurgle



so yea, want an all plastic daemon army (ill go as far as resin) so what to buy? (HQ wise ill have to go metal, but not until kairos comes out)

Oh, I am genuinely impressed by those models, they look awesome ! Blood crusher is now looking like the best thing for Thunder wolves now

so all these pics are coming from a tactica article? I'm assuming it's down by now...

Scottywan82 wrote:so all these pics are coming from a tactica article? I'm assuming it's down by now...

seems to be, but i could be wrong... tis a shame i kinda wanted to read it

Cant find it lol, im guessing they were making it ready, so they can just drop it on when they want to.
someone must have "accidently" clicked and uploaded it lol.


Im glad there are people who stalk the GW pages.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=cat1300072&pIndex=1&aId=6800025a&start=2

Starts here...works it's way through the selections.

Thanks

Looking at the size of that prince, he has to be on par with a thirster, meaning that with some plasticard and GS i could make a plastic daemon army

Also, any ideas on prince base size?
Im going to assume 60mm and get those trolls + 3 bases ordered lol.

Most MC's are on 60's. In fact I think all are. IG HW teams are on 60's as well.

40's are Terminator sized.

Fateweaver wrote:Most MC's are on 60's. In fact I think all are. IG HW teams are on 60's as well.

40's are Terminator sized.

The metal 40K non-Nurgle Prince comes(or used to) with a 40mm, though. See?

Thats what threw me and made me ask.
Checked the GW site 1st and saw him on a 40mm.


so 60mm it is, ill more than likely go with the 60mm dread bases since they cost the same and add some detail

So, any final thoughts or ideas before i order?
going with river trolls with a bit of converting for princes lol.

Hmm. I stand corrected. Though I'd put him on a 60. I think all MC's should be on 60's.

Just as I put non-TDA IC's on 40's.

I think I'm the only one here who likes the seekers. I'm glad they're finally coming out. It looks like I'll be adding to my nurgle army soon to make a Sick/feth army.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR POSTING THOSE PICTURES!

Now I can attempt to decide if I want to drop the 5 boxes of metal ones I have on the new plastics since they don't look TOO bad. As someone said, they do kind of look like squigs though,

Excitement!

Anti - Squigs are one of the best models and ideas GW have had, so thats a pretty fething good compliment

For some reason I thought the demon prince was supposed to be Skarbrand. I think it was the vestigial wings.

Noisy_Marine wrote:For some reason I thought the demon prince was supposed to be Skarbrand. I think it was the vestigial wings.

What Vestigial Wings?

Those are Chaos Marine Back Pack vents, just like the current metal model.

These new models look great. I won't be picking up Fateweaver as I already spent a good deal of time converting one, but I'll have to get the rest. I'm especially excited at finally getting plastic seekers.

Changeling's model looks pretty interesting. Of course, they come out with a Plastic DP just as I've put in god knows how much time and money into converting 2 daemon princes. Ah well. I'm still disappointed by the lack of plaguebearers, but everything else looks great.

Emperor's bowels!

Those seeker models are fething HORRIBLE.

Even worse than those god-awful piece of gak new Daemonette models...

Just LOOKING at the Seekers fills me with murderous intent for whoever sculpted them...

TempusCorvus wrote: I'm still disappointed by the lack of plaguebearers, but everything else looks great.

At least the current plaguebearer models look good, and aren't a pain to assemble like the current metal horrors. And if you don't want to use the current models, it's easy enough to "Nurgle-fy" other models.

The New Daemon Prince is likely 'upgraded' to a 60mm Large MC base:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=67883&d=1251096859
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=62851&d=1245307115

As annoying as it is, plagues will have to be converted to stay with my plastic theme lol.
I remember someone converting kroot on here going back 2-3 years 0_o

Failing that, ill go with zombies with large, rusty blades.
Still nurgle like, still diseased and still slow.
Works fine for me
and they are plastic.


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Abs: 1st pic would be angron im guessing? mainly due to his black blade.
Thats also a dreadnought base he's on (scenic one)


2nd pic is a nice find

I use Zombies as plaguebearers. Nobody in my group has complained and most say it looks better anyway.

Every time I whip out the zombie horde I immediately think "Night of the living dead". I've given them all bladed weapons and used rust pigments to make blades look rusty. That and I've read 40k novels that had Nurgles pestilence reviving corpses and creating zombies (there was an IG one released last fall that was something like that).

Absolutionis wrote:The New Daemon Prince is likely 'upgraded' to a 60mm Large MC base:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=67883&d=1251096859
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=62851&d=1245307115

That first one is actually a conversion from a World Eaters blog. But yes, I think it'll end up being on a 60mm base.

From what I can tell the legs on the plastic DP above are the same as the 40K one on page 9. Everything else is different.

I'm hoping that that won't make a difference though, with the giant mutated Marine backpack parts from the 40K version of this DP being swappable with the wings from the Warhammer bitz. And if the 40K DP's head is the only alternate head from those two shocking heads above, then good. The biggest drawback of the plastic Warhammer DP are the heads. The 40K one improves on that.

Plastic Plaguebearers exist, they're just called "Ghouls". and they're misfiled under the Vampire Counts.

NOOOOOOOOO,that daemon prince is the ugliest piece of trash I've ever had the misfortune of looking at!

If they get rid of the metal daemon prince, I swear, I'll freakin slash my wrists. That thing is Trash,utter trash. It retains none of the Chaotic Evil that the beautiful daemon Prince had.

Oh,and I'm talking about the one on page 9.The above one's sword and horns are meh,too exagerated

...
It's the exact same model, with a few details altered so it can be made in plastic.

Valhallan42nd wrote:Plastic Plaguebearers exist, they're just called "Ghouls". and they're misfiled under the Vampire Counts.

This man speaks the truth!

Samus_aran115 wrote:NOOOOOOOOO,that daemon prince is the ugliest piece of trash I've ever had the misfortune of looking at!

If they get rid of the metal daemon prince, I swear, I'll freakin slash my wrists. That thing is Trash,utter trash. It retains none of the Chaotic Evil that the beautiful daemon Prince had.

Oh,and I'm talking about the one on page 9.The above one's sword and horns are meh,too exagerated

We'll miss you.

Can we have your stuff?

Samus_aran115 wrote:Oh,and I'm talking about the one on page 9.The above one's sword and horns are meh,too exagerated

You mean the one that I just

bhsman wrote:That first one is actually a conversion from a World Eaters blog.

Kanluwen wrote:...
It's the exact same model, with a few details altered so it can be made in plastic.

What? It's obviously not the same as the metal Daemon Prince. It lost all of its charm and details with that trash on page 9. The best part about the metal CSM Daemon Prince is that wicked detailing on the left arm and those awesome ripples in the armor. That model is incredibly simplified, with no interesting details or worthwhile details. Terrible model. Seems incredibly out of place for games workshop..even for daemons..

bhsman wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:Oh,and I'm talking about the one on page 9.The above one's sword and horns are meh,too exagerated

You mean the one that I just

bhsman wrote:That first one is actually a conversion from a World Eaters blog.

Oh,sorry,didn't read your post. That makes sense.

You don't die if you slash your wrists..duh.

vs


Not seeing any difference worth getting upset about...

Then your obviously not a chaos player. Are you blind?

The new face is beyond stupid, it lost all evil-ness. The new one looks like some stupid ork face or something,those horns are trashy,and the general shape is very modular and boxie. AND that's just the face. I could point out numerous differences between them, but I'm too tired to type and more. Look a little closer there, bub.

WTH is up with it's hands? Is it a plant or something?
Its legs are that stupid horse variety crap, which is completely wrong for CSM
The lower torso is exposed, which looks terrible
Its armor lacks any depth or feeling. Its too clean and new looking
Not enough chains and skulls
The backpack looks beyond ridiculous,which also lost ANY personality it once had

And what cool its are lost (the leg armor, mostly) are worth to to never have to glue that fether together ever again.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Then your obviously not a chaos player. Are you blind?

The new face is beyond stupid, it lost all evil-ness. The new one looks like some stupid ork face or something,those horns are trashy,and the general shape is very modular and boxie. AND that's just the face. I could point out numerous differences between them, but I'm too tired to type and more. Look a little closer there, bub.

It's the exact same face.

Seriously. Tilt the picture a bit if you need to on the new one, but it's the same face.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:And what cool its are lost (the leg armor, mostly) are worth to to never have to glue that fether together ever again.

Agreed. Pain in the ass model to put together, and keep together.

As for the loss of the leg armor--it's probably so it can be easily made adaptable to both 40k and Fantasy.

Kanluwen wrote:

I broke a nail

Umm... the depth of detail on the metal one is superior and its backpack doesn't look like it was carved from pieces of foam. I think parts of the plastic one are good but its not as good. I think it will hinge on what other bits are included as to howl worth while it is.

i have to agree, the new one is different from the old metal one. Both are good though, just different

Kanluwen wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:Then your obviously not a chaos player. Are you blind?

The new face is beyond stupid, it lost all evil-ness. The new one looks like some stupid ork face or something,those horns are trashy,and the general shape is very modular and boxie. AND that's just the face. I could point out numerous differences between them, but I'm too tired to type and more. Look a little closer there, bub.

It's the exact same face.

Seriously. Tilt the picture a bit if you need to on the new one, but it's the same face.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:And what cool its are lost (the leg armor, mostly) are worth to to never have to glue that fether together ever again.

Agreed. Pain in the ass model to put together, and keep together.

As for the loss of the leg armor--it's probably so it can be easily made adaptable to both 40k and Fantasy.

I completely agree about putting and holding it together, It took me a couple hours, mainly because the arms cannot be pinned, and the leg is too massive to pin well. The shoulder pads and exhaust ports were even worse.

I tried your tip,only to realize even MORE differences. Seriously,do you need glasses or something?


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aka_mythos wrote:Umm... the depth of detail on the metal one is superior and its backpack doesn't look like it was carved from pieces of foam. I think parts of the plastic one are good but its not as good. I think it will hinge on what other bits are included as to howl worth while it is.

THANK YOU

I do like the right shoulder guard a lot on the new one,but that's about it... The hands are just too stupid looking for words. I'll prefer this one if the nurgle bits are really good, or maybe if it has good looking wings. I hate that nurgle daemon prince's sword,among other things

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:Then your obviously not a chaos player. Are you blind?

The new face is beyond stupid, it lost all evil-ness. The new one looks like some stupid ork face or something,those horns are trashy,and the general shape is very modular and boxie. AND that's just the face. I could point out numerous differences between them, but I'm too tired to type and more. Look a little closer there, bub.

It's the exact same face.

Seriously. Tilt the picture a bit if you need to on the new one, but it's the same face.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:And what cool its are lost (the leg armor, mostly) are worth to to never have to glue that fether together ever again.

Agreed. Pain in the ass model to put together, and keep together.

As for the loss of the leg armor--it's probably so it can be easily made adaptable to both 40k and Fantasy.

I completely agree about putting and holding it together, It took me a couple hours, mainly because the arms cannot be pinned, and the leg is too massive to pin well. The shoulder pads and exhaust ports were even worse.

I tried your tip,only to realize even MORE differences. Seriously,do you need glasses or something?

I wear glasses actually. And I can see just fine.

Maybe I need to get into the mind of someone who feels slighted enough about it to even joke about suicide over a model being "altered", then I'll see a difference worth caring about?

aka_mythos wrote:Umm... the depth of detail on the metal one is superior and its backpack doesn't look like it was carved from pieces of foam. I think parts of the plastic one are good but its not as good. I think it will hinge on what other bits are included as to howl worth while it is.

THANK YOU

I do like the right shoulder guard a lot on the new one,but that's about it... The hands are just too stupid looking for words. I'll prefer this one if the nurgle bits are really good, or maybe if it has good looking wings. I hate that nurgle daemon prince's sword,among other things

Gee, it's almost like a plastic kit wouldn't have more than one option that would allow you to pick and choose...

I like that DP. It's growing on me by the minute though it looks too Khornate. I'd hope to make a suitable looking Nurgle DP from the kit. Not necessarily a giant nurgling but something more akin to a PM turned DP.

If not I'll just model Nurglings at it's feet and say it's a DP of Nurgle.

I need a 3rd job.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:

Hello Thunderwolf conversion. Plastic jug is great news.

Hello 24 crushers in a single army. LOL.

I've seen you poo-pooing all over CSM on the forums,so really,I can't even argue with your obviously failed logic.

GW is terrible at making plastic kits that have actual versatility, so I seriously doubt there will be more 1 set of options for a Nurgle DP.Gee, I can't think of a single GW kit that represents anywhere near the diversity of 4 different factions in a single kit...huh.

Having competent options for all of the Chaos Gods is important, but could be avoided by just making 5 separate Dp kits. One for each god, and a chaos undivided DP.

And wow,that Jug looks great. Really nice to see a plastic one,finally!

Fateweaver wrote:Hello 24 crushers in a single army. LOL.

24? you think too small my friend. more like 88 crushers for apocalypse

MasterSlowPoke wrote:

Is it just me, or does it look like he's flipping someone off? Reminds me of that old snotling.

Nah, he saw Abaddon doing it once and thought it was cool.

I prefer the metal CSM DP, as he has much better detail and features. The upcoming plastic CSM DP is not a terrible model by any means, and it will probably be neat because it will be easier to work with.

The metal one is still a classy model though, and it will be a shame to see it go.

dietrich wrote:Is it just me, or does it look like he's flipping someone off?

You just know there are gonna be a million conversions of that. Each one thinking they're clever and unique for doing it.

and this picture is from one issue of White Dwarf...

My thoughts:
Changeling- meh. It is what it is. Nothing particularly wrong with it, but it does nothing for me.
Horrors- They look inferior to the current metal ones IMHO, but part of that may be the colour scheme.
2-Headed LoC- I like. Particularly the fish on his staff and the bird-skull loin cloth. Why do bird skulls always look weird?
Demon Prince- I can see merit to the metal 40K prince, particularly in its leg silhouette over this one. The new one is not that bad though. If I needed a DP for Fantasy, I'd probably try to adapt the 40K plastic bits though. The head is alright.
Seekers- as they contain elements of the new plastic Daemonettes, they are terrible. They mounts are OK. So they're diluted terrible, but still terrible. I kinda like the weapon on the one on the right though, just because it looks ridiculous and therefore appropriate as a daemon weapon.
Bloodcrusher- it is what it is. Nothing wrong with the model. My only question is, it looks pretty much exactly like the metal one, so what was the point of making both in such a short span of time? Indicative of poor planning on GW's part.

Not a bad set of releases TBH, certainly better than I expected. None are enough to make me want to start a Daemon army, but I wouldn't be hurt for seeing any of them opposite me on the table top. Except for the Daemonettes of course. But who knows, some enterprising Kroot or Exodite player might get some good use out of the Seeker bodies, so they may be worth something.

Samus_aran115 wrote:You don't die if you slash your wrists..duh.

The new daemon prince is really kinda iffy imo.

Head is okay, im not a fan of its angular nature, but it seems to work.
The backpack, is awful. Its far to large, and doesnt give me the daemon prince feel. The old backpack was fused with the flesh and this one just isnt giving the right feel.
Lack of leg armor makes me sadface but it does look descent and will grow on me.
It lacks legit chaos iconery. The symbols are like scratched into the armor, i wanna see at least one legit 8 pointed star like the old daemon prince.
It really really really needs a weapon. He looks so wimpy with his hands.

Overall, give him a weapon and he will look so much better and worthwhile.

My two favs I think:



And:



I think the horrors look a little silly.

It seems tzeench got the best of the new models.
Just as planned

I like all of them. I'm a little unsure about the Horrors, but then again, I'm not the biggest Tzeentch fan. Bloodcrusher a little too dog like for me. I'm with everyone who says the DP sucks, as well as the Seeker riders.

FlammingGaunt wrote:It seems tzeench got the best of the new models.
Just as planned

this made me smile and made me think of the quote " Change, Just as planned"

Plaguebearers conspicuous by their absence or maybe they weren't posted by the fool responsible for the leak.

I really don't get the hate for the Daemon Prince. Ok, it isn't one of those models I'd buy for the sake of owning (e.g. Slann Mage Priest, Deathmaster Snikch), but I'd be happy to put one in my army if I collected Daemons.

Kanluwen wrote:It's the exact same face.

It's not actually.

It's quite a bit different. Same style, but a different face. Certainly not the 'exact' same face by any means.

And in the end you and Samus are arguing over a subjective opinion, which is pointless.


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Samus_aran115 wrote:GW is terrible at making plastic kits that have actual versatility

What planet are you from? GW's plastic kits have been getting better and better every year.


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Samus_aran115 wrote:You don't die if you slash your wrists..duh.

That depends whether you go across the street or down the road...

wow wow WOW


who else thinks the new DP looks just...well just TERRIBLE!

Compared to the original pictures? He's awesome.

Great, so I sell my CSM army (that I was planning to add daemons too) a few weeks ago. Then they do THIS to me!!

Tzeentch greater daemon and DP =

H.B.M.C. wrote:Compared to the original pictures? He's awesome.

least the last one wasnt trying to do the splits with his legs.

I dig the daemon Prince i think he'll make a great leader for my chaos. But in a daemon army? i don't think he'd look that impressive compared to everything else.

IMHO BElakor will always be the perfect DP for WHFB or 40k

Kanluwen wrote:...
It's the exact same model, with a few details altered so it can be made in plastic.

Then we should be grateful that atleast the GW sculpt team is able to see the difference.

The 2 faces are significantly different , sure they are the "same" in the sense they both are painted red
with horns , but thats where the similarity ends.

The metal one have a way more sinister look , here are the main points:

Deeper eye socket
Sharper cheek bones
Sharper chin
more defined cheek muscle

In every sense it looks more like a skull compared to the plastic one which looks like a Diablo

Me loves dem!!!!!!!

well i'll be getting the new dp, not loving it 100% but it's plastic and looks versatile so it's a go.

As for the seekers, not as noce models as the last metal daemonettes, but i can't get hold of metal seekers, so they're a yes.

the others, well i've 20 horrors so no, and the changeling is nice so, yes. I've converted my own fate weaver so no, and plastic crushers? yes yes yes YES

Personally, I love the new dp, and I'm going to buy one for my 40k army to replace the metal one I have. i can't wait to see what new bits are in it

I rather like the Changeling model... I'll have to get that for sure. I've decided I don't really like the new Horrors and am quite pleased I stocked up on the old metal ones. The new ones just aren't tenticley enough. It does appear that they were trying to combine the two styles, but since I despise the really old hand waving douche-balloons, I don't really like the new ones that much either. Didn't this happen with the Daemonettes too? Ie the really old ones looked terrible, the boobie ones looked best (not because of boobs... well maybe a little), and the current ones look stupid.

Ahh well... I'm happy. The Fateweaver model is also quite nice, though I just picked up a normal LoC and that model isn't too bad.

I'm willing to wait until we've seen more of the Horrors before I pass judgement. Clearly they're going to come 10 to a box, so let's see what the rest of them look like and how modular the parts are (who knows - maybe there are loads of tentacles on the sprue), and what the Icons/etc. look like.

Flashman wrote:Plaguebearers conspicuous by their absence or maybe they weren't posted by the fool responsible for the leak.

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Plaguebearers aren't coming.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:

Flashman wrote:Plaguebearers conspicuous by their absence or maybe they weren't posted by the fool responsible for the leak.

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Plaguebearers aren't coming.

Really? If I was a Daemons player, I'd be like ?!*%#?!!!!, but I'm not so I will exhibit mild surprise instead

Nurgle's not allowed to have a plastic kit apparently - the only one I can think of is that old set of terrible looking plague marines.

WTH is up with it's hands? Is it a plant or something?
Its legs are that stupid horse variety crap, which is completely wrong for CSM
The lower torso is exposed, which looks terrible
Its armor lacks any depth or feeling. Its too clean and new looking
Not enough chains and skulls
The backpack looks beyond ridiculous,which also lost ANY personality it once had

Sorry, but had to quote this and disect it.

1: Its a daemon, not a plant, why would a daemon have basic human sized hands in comparison to the rest of it?
I think the look of sharp talons look pretty decent.

2: Thats good then about the legs, since its released for daermons, not SCM

3: So it should look like a giant marine instead of a daemon? buy the inquisitor model if you want that.

4: Its a daemon, the armour is daemonic.
Im pretty sure the armour would look new to some degree.
Thats like saying abaddons daemon weapon should have rust since its old.

5: Why chains and skulls? its an undivided prince, not khorne.
By staying undivided i like the way its plain, it allows for people to adapt to how they need it, being plastic makes this even better.

6: That would be because its part of a 2 part option.
You can have that or the wings, so a rough shape and design had to be used to allow both to fit.
Dont see why a daemon would need a pack anyway.

/Rant



Anywho, i think its alot better.
Being plastic and multi part it allows convertion to be made easy, rather than having to take a saw or snips to it.
Also means you can change it from undivided to a god with relative ease, where as the old one would be near on impossible (hence the release of the nurgle prince)

To make it better, the metal one comes with the wrong size base, as it should be a 60mm

wooohooo plastic seekers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Those models are just sick!

Fateweaver looks sweet, the horrors though...

How much the price of plastic DP would be, 25 pounds(about the price of a giant or a fex)?

I'd guess around the current price, give or take a few bucks.

IronfrontAlex wrote:wow wow WOW


who else thinks the new DP looks just...well just TERRIBLE!

Just a little reminder to everyone complaining about how the new DP looks...as this will be a plastic kit, there will undoubtedly be multiple head choices, armor/icons/skulls, and probably even different hands to choose from. So while it's valid to say you don't like that particular picture, it's a little early to start condemning the whole kit.

And one other caveat...most chaos players love to convert models. And a plastic model is a hell of a lot easier to assemble and convert than a metal one...

At the very least there's two torso options, two heads, an axe, a sword, wings, and something to replace the CSM backpack for fantasy players.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:At the very least there's two torso options, two heads, an axe, a sword, wings, and something to replace the CSM backpack for fantasy players.

3 Heads, there's 2 different heads on the Fantasy models shown so far, and I'd be willing to bet that the Torso options aren't just front, so no need for something to replace the backpack for the Fantasy models, although it looks like one is wearing some spikes on his back.

warriors of mayhem wrote:I dig the daemon Prince i think he'll make a great leader for my chaos. But in a daemon army? i don't think he'd look that impressive compared to everything else.

Check out page 11 I posted pics of the fantasy version of the DP

Plastic horrors are Pink Squig. And plastic. Meeeeeeeh
Kairos is nice. It has been sculpted since a while, but wasn't released due to casting problem.

Oh, and the tactica on the GW website (where the pics originally came from) has been deleted .

H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm willing to wait until we've seen more of the Horrors before I pass judgement. Clearly they're going to come 10 to a box, so let's see what the rest of them look like and how modular the parts are (who knows - maybe there are loads of tentacles on the sprue), and what the Icons/etc. look like.

You do have a very valid point, but I'm willing to be they are all going to be pretty similar. I mean look at the rest of the Daemon boxes... they're all pretty much the same (though granted they aren't Tzeentch Daemons). Pink squigs of Tzeentch, hah! .

From the looks of the horrors and the joints:

Body and legs are a single piece.

Head and neck section go over the top of the body, covering it up.

1 set of arms go onto that head section at the side.

2nd set go into a basic arm slot on the body section.


Just my guess from what looks to be joins in the models
Still want an army of pink squigs.

whoa, what's with the dp hate? It looks pretty awesome. The hands are a little iffy but that's easy to fix.Head and horse feet are cool. Only issue is that the claw things on the backpack look stupid.

Pics of the resin prototype of the seekers and the DP.

One of your pictures seems to not be working good sir Oliveraso_74.

IronfrontAlex wrote:wow wow WOW


who else thinks the new DP looks just...well just TERRIBLE!

I for one like it. Hate all you want but it looks good.

Best picture of that Daemon Prince I've seen yet. He looks alright. The new Bloodcrusher doesn't look as good as the not-very-old metal one. The Lord of Change/named Lord of Change looks pretty good. Horrors look like bubblegum as always.

Brother SRM wrote:Best picture of that Daemon Prince I've seen yet. He looks alright.

QFT

Brother SRM wrote: The new Bloodcrusher doesn't look as good as the not-very-old metal one.

This is right on. Hopefully there are different heads and ways to pose it.

Brother SRM wrote:
Horrors look like bubblegum as always.

Is this necessarilly a bad thing?

I like them. Already converted a fateweaver and changeling, so no need for them, and unless I need more than the Chester, I've got enough Bloodcrushers. I've also already got two princes, although I'm intrigued about the potential options with the Daemon Prince.

The seekers, on the other hand...I like the way they look. They will definitely go nicely with my army.

by any chance, are those daemonettes actually come stuck onto the seekers, or you can choose not to stick them on? had an idea for my EC army

StasisNid95 wrote:by any chance, are those daemonettes actually come stuck onto the seekers, or you can choose not to stick them on? had an idea for my EC army

Looking closely at the pictures, it appears there's a seam between the rider and mount.

yeah i can see a little gap, do you think the seekers will be good conversions for alternate bikers?

I just wanna know why theres a fish on top of Kairos' staff...

Obviously, he just got back from a trip to Mordheim.

Marushi wrote:I just wanna know why theres a fish on top of Kairos' staff...

The fish is a recurring symbol of Tzeentch.

Plus, bird-demons like to eat fish.

Brother SRM wrote:Best picture of that Daemon Prince I've seen yet. He looks alright. The new Bloodcrusher doesn't look as good as the not-very-old metal one. The Lord of Change/named Lord of Change looks pretty good. Horrors look like bubblegum as always.

Double QFT

Maybe the paintjob was what was bothering me, but the one at the top of this page looks good. The wings are pretty cool,and he still looks sinister enough there.

Marushi wrote:I just wanna know why theres a fish on top of Kairos' staff...

It's a hidden hint for the next army book, the fishmen

You mean Tau?

It's finally good to see that the plastic DP has been confirmed and the page 9 picture of it looks awesome. I hope that there are additional accessories in the kit that havn't been shown in the pictures of it we have seen so far.

Random duck skull is a perfectly good hat, apparently, eh lord of change?

I'm...very underwhelmed, and in the case of the DP just all around disappointed. Every possible configuration we've seen so far has looked like utter garbage, and that one is no exception. The metal one is far superior and I personally hope they keep selling it as a collector's model...

The only models I really like are Kairos and the bloodcrushers, everything else is just "meh" or crap (the crap being the DP and the horrors, whoever they have designing the new Chaos stuff now needs to be fired...it's all Saturday-morning-cartoon level villainy with huge, stupid grins, it just looks too damn "soft"). And the bloodcrushers just seem like a waste to me, they already took up a release slot the first time when they came out in metal, and while plastic is cheaper and usually better for stuff like that, it just makes me feel like the initial release was pointless as the model existed for only a couple of years before being replaced. It's like if, for the Tyranid second wave, instead of giving us a plastic kit we really needed and wanted (like the tyrannofex/tervigon), they just said screw it and released hive guard again, but in plastic (and since this is GW they would be about the same price as the metals and thus no one would give a gak anyway).

Another thing, anyone else think it's funny that the new DP actually has a disturbing lack of skulls on him? They stick skulls on every single other release, even the Lizardmen's dinosaur mounts have skulls strapped to them, but a DEMON doesn't have a single trophy (or the cool-looking skull-stalks on the "backpack" like the metal DP)? It's a demon, a former Marine who has no doubt killed millions during his long ascension to daemonhood, if anything deserves to be adorned with skulls then you'd think it would be a daemon prince. LOL NOPE. This guy never once kept the head of a slain champion or hated foe.

It just seems like GW is trying to piss off Chaos players as much as possible. Either that or they think everyone who plays a Chaos army is 12. And how appropriate that the DP is giving everyone the finger (sort of).

Over-generalize much? I think this newest pic makes the DP look better (though I liked it anyway when we first saw it and it being plastic makes it a no-brainer purchase).

I'm sure GW aren't purposely pissing in your corn flakes. At least you gave a good reason not to like it, even if you did make the blanket statement involving all Chaos players.

I like the new Daemon Prince. It's not better than the old one, but GW isn't going to send death squads to take away your metal Princes once it's released.

Plastic Daemon Prince looks AWESOME.

I'm really glad they made it so intimidating. I'll admit the old one was just as intimidating, but the new one is plastic.

My general thoughts...

1. DP: Oh boy, I love it. I might not play Chaos, but it looks beautiful.
2. Fateweaver: Beautiful, looks really detailed and not as spindly as the old Lord of Change.
3. Changeling: Lovely, looks really sinister.
4. Bloodcrusher: I like it, even if I would have preferred plastic plaguebearers.
5. Horrors: Ehh... Could be better. I'll admit, I actually like the metal ones looking like twisted taffy. Probably would look better with a different colorscheme.
6. Seekers: Ew. The steeds lost their sleekness and look a bit too much like Fleshhounds. The Daemonettes still look pretty bad in the face region.

Kanluwen wrote:...
It's the exact same model, with a few details altered so it can be made in plastic.

Different pose, different weapons, different hands, different armour, different face.

It looks like utter, utter crap. He looks like he's leaning over to give somebody a hug. Awful model.

Seekers are crap.

Changeling looks good.

Fateweaver is meh.

Horrors are meh, they're nice but I prefer the metal ones.

bloodcrusher is good and if in plastic that'll be the basis for my thunderwolves then.

Well, by being plastic, you could prolly pose the arms differently.

Kanluwen wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:Then your obviously not a chaos player. Are you blind?

The new face is beyond stupid, it lost all evil-ness. The new one looks like some stupid ork face or something,those horns are trashy,and the general shape is very modular and boxie. AND that's just the face. I could point out numerous differences between them, but I'm too tired to type and more. Look a little closer there, bub.

It's the exact same face.

Seriously. Tilt the picture a bit if you need to on the new one, but it's the same face.

No it isn't.
The horns are a different shape, the new ones are flattened out more and have different detailing on them.
the eyes are different.
the brow is different, the metal one has studded rivets, the new one has a confused furrow



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Munch Munch! wrote:Well, by being plastic, you could prolly pose the arms differently.

The one saving grace of this model is that it is plastic.

But "it won't be hard to make it better" does not mean it doesn't look crap.

I'm happy chaos players got an easily convertible DP, I'm sure it'll sell like hotcakes and some talented people will make stunning models based on it.

But the basic kit, IMHO, massive turd.

I personally like the new DP, though as to whether or not i pick one up will remain to be seen. I am quite content with my belakor and LoC as my Daemon princes. I think the new one though is needed for daemons as the old ones, both the generic and the nurgle, were too much like roided out Space Marines to really fit in a Chaos Daemons army.

Even though i dont typically run the Changeling i will probably be picking up that though as it is a rather good looking model.

The Horrors dont look too bad and if i need to get more to flesh out the ones i have they will do nicely.

A little disappointed that plaguebearers didnt make the cut but i will continue to use my Beastmen Pestigors as Plaguebearers.

And as much as the seekers dont seem to be getting any love at all, i for one am quite pleased to see them. What point was there in making them the best fast attack choice in the codex and then making it so you couldnt find any anywhere. I will definitely be picking up a box or two of them.

Just my two cents

mrwittwer wrote:One of your pictures seems to not be working good sir Oliveraso_74.

http://img59.imageshack.us/i/unreleasedresinplasticd.jpg/

Fixed .

Oliveraso_74 wrote:

Those look like Gummi Seekers, like something you could get at the movie theater.

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:I'm happy chaos players got an easily convertible DP, I'm sure it'll sell like hotcakes and some talented people will make stunning models based on it.

QFT

I'm going to

I go away for the weekend, someone puts up daemon pics and I CAN'T SEE THEM!!!! (stupid work computer).

Can anybody help me out??

that's actually killed any interest I may have had for another Daemon release.

who've they got sculpting those things? they all look terrible..

I blame all of you people who complain whenever something is released in metal on account of it being too difficult to assemble or convert. we used to have such beautiful models being released, but you've killed them.

Chimera_Calvin wrote:I'm going to

I go away for the weekend, someone puts up daemon pics and I CAN'T SEE THEM!!!! (stupid work computer).

Can anybody help me out??

wait until you get home

Orkhead wrote:Found these on librariumonline. hope the pictures show up.

there are good looking fantasy DP's

Great work with those pictures MasterSlowPoke.
I largely think they look good but I am very underwhelmed by that Daemon Prince, it just doesn't look right and not as dynamic as the current, I've been looking for one for a while now but it's just not as good as the current. I particularly dislike the face,legs and backpack...

I'm 'meh' about the horrors. Otherwise though, all good!

I think the only mistake with the DP is Trying to make it look like the metal one. Their plastic stuff tends to have less of the fine detail, so it just comes out looking inferior. I think once people get their hands on it, and can pose and model it however they want the kit will start to show it's shine.

I seriously dislike the seekers. The daemonettes riding them look so blah, there's no energy in the sculpts. Their legs are draped over the saddles like sandbags. For fast cavalry models, these look slow and plodding, very disappointing, especially considering how dynamically the old seeker riders were...

Everything else looks very nice, I can see myself picking up some of the new juggers to add variety to the ones I've already got (and as heralds to make my own chester ), and more daemon princes and MCs is never a bad thing.

Samus_aran115 wrote:
Its legs are that stupid horse variety crap, which is completely wrong for CSM

Just like the old "satan" looking daemon princes with horse legs and cloven hooves? This isn't the first time.

I'm with Redbeard on the subject of the new seekers. They look very flat. It's almost like they sculpted the steeds and then didn't have any idea what to do about the riders. The riders look like they just took some daemonettes, spread their legs and dropped them on the saddles.

I've been toying around with the idea of starting a Daemon army since I bought a bunch of them when I thought I might play WFB. Now I might just do that if only to showcase seekers whose sculpt actually suggest speed.

I like the look of the new horrors. If this is a plastic kit there is a lot of potential for good bits in the box - hopefully GW will take advantage of that.

Redbeard wrote:I seriously dislike the seekers. The daemonettes riding them look so blah, there's no energy in the sculpts. Their legs are draped over the saddles like sandbags. For fast cavalry models, these look slow and plodding, very disappointing, especially considering how dynamically the old seeker riders were...

Everything else looks very nice, I can see myself picking up some of the new juggers to add variety to the ones I've already got (and as heralds to make my own chester ), and more daemon princes and MCs is never a bad thing.

When GW made the seekers , they had the chance to give them a whole brand new look.
Instead they kept the fail plastic design -_-

Double post.

I wish they sold them in that transparent plastic/resin; it really suits their incorporeal natures.

I'm really loving everyone who says the new DP is crap. You guys are the wind beneath my wings =]

Aaanyway,I really want a plastic Juggernaut. That'll make it sooo much easier to convert and play around with. I've never considered using juggs, but the model has always been so tempting. Now I can put a chaos lord on top of it ^>^ (at least one that looks like it isn't 10+ years old,lol)

The horrors look basically the same, but I don't buy horrors,I make them with LoTR models and Green stuff, so I don't really care that much.

didnt we know that no daemonettes will compare to the diaz ones anyway?

you were bound to be disappointed regardless...

But there are levels of disappointment. We could have had the new style daemonettes, riding these same style seekers, but in active, dynamic poses, and I'd be okay with that. They wouldn't be the Diaz ones, but they'd be cool enough.

Instead we get a passable mount, and a daemonette stuck on top almost as a complete afterthought, with no flow, no motion.

Compare these to the new boar boy models. Even if you don't like the boar's faces, look at how they move. The riders are hanging on. They're barreling along at full speed ready to smash into something. Show me new style daemonettes riding in similar style, and I'll accept that they're not Diaz, and probably buy a couple of units. But these? If I want more seekers, I'd drop the penny on eBay before I buy these, they look like ass.

Redbeard wrote:Instead we get a passable mount, and a daemonette stuck on top almost as a complete afterthought, with no flow, no motion.

I completely ignored the Seekers because they don't hold a candle to the Diaz models.

If these were riding like a thoroughbred racing jockey, that'd have helped.

As it is, it is sad that the Bloodletter on Juggernaut is the most dynamic Daemonic cav.

Looking at the Seekers it looks like it shouldn't be too hard to assemble the riders in slightly more dynamic poses. They wouldn't be the first models to look awful in pictures, and work out well once the players get their hands on them.

@Nurgy: they're plastic, so yes, convertible. But holy crap, every model is going to need it.

If GW had just done a little better job sculpting, to make a nicely passable model (see Jugger & rider), then it'd be perfective rather than necessary.

Nurglitch wrote:I wish they sold them in that transparent plastic/resin; it really suits their incorporeal natures.

That would be awesome! GW once released a games day model of frodo with the one ring on like that and it worked out really well!

JohnHwangDD wrote:@Nurgy: they're plastic, so yes, convertible. But holy crap, every model is going to need it.

If GW had just done a little better job sculpting, to make a nicely passable model (see Jugger & rider), then it'd be perfective rather than necessary.

Agreed. By the way.....Where's your avatar from? Was it the 2008 Olympics?

Johnny:

I think you missed the second part of my post: it could be that they're just assembled and shot that way. They could look better in person, so to speak.

What would be more awesome in all of those awesome minis would be fateweaver made in plastic.
But I'm dreaming.

I don't think the new DP looks different enough from the old one to have warranted getting a new model. It looks like GW gave it a new model just for the sake of saying "Look! a new DP model!" When, in fact, it's so similar to the old that it's more like a redundancy.

Archonate wrote:I don't think the new DP looks different enough from the old one to have warranted getting a new model. It looks like GW gave it a new model just for the sake of saying "Look! a new DP model!" When, in fact, it's so similar to the old that it's more like a redundancy.

- It has been a very long time since GW has had a DP model out. The 40k Chaos DP is from 2002-2003 I believe, and Belakor is 2004. The other metal fantasy DP's have been around since the late 90's.
- Also, the current trend is to go towards plastic HQ boxes with multitudes of options.

So it follows that this way, GW kills two birds with one stone. We get a new plastic DP model, it has a whole bunch of bitz/options, and can be used for either 40k or Fantasy. It's really a no brainer.

Love the new DP. I'll be getting three of them to replace my current metal ones.

I'm probably going to get dragged into making some khorne demons if the price is right on the plastic bloodcrushers.

Really like the new horrors better than the current metal ones. I'll eventually get around to replacing my current horrors with the new. The changling fig. will make for nice tzeentch heralds.

I am disappointed to not see any plastic plaguebearers. Was really holding out hope for them.

Nurglitch wrote:it could be that they're just assembled and shot that way. They could look better in person, so to speak.

If you look at the girls, the legs are straight, and the body upright. Excellent posture, but not at all active or fighty. Boring, really. Now, how there's going to be any dynamism from those stiff legs and torso, I can't imagine. It's like the 3D sculptor forgot to pose the models, and we're stuck with the baseline static renders having been cut into the actual molds.

It's entirely possible that they're marginally less static, but any motion of the model comes from the mount, not the rider, which isn't even integrated with the mount.

However, it's not even remotely possible that changing the angle or paint job is going to make these into dynamic models that are worth buying.

I think you're mistaking your taste for fact. You don't like them. Okay. Other people do. I do, for one. I'm looking forward to picking up a few boxes.

JohnHwangDD wrote:If these were riding like a thoroughbred racing jockey, that'd have helped.

This.

If that was done (or converted, haha), they would look infinitely better.

JohnHwangDD wrote:


It's entirely possible that they're marginally less static, but any motion of the model comes from the mount, not the rider, which isn't even integrated with the mount.

i agree that the daemonettes are abit static compared to the seekers. however, the can be used as fiends of slannesh with minor converting.

@Nurglitch: Are we even looking at the same models? Those Daemonettes are just sitting there. They're completely static and lifeless.

That isn't an issue of taste.

whitedragon wrote:

Archonate wrote:I don't think the new DP looks different enough from the old one to have warranted getting a new model. It looks like GW gave it a new model just for the sake of saying "Look! a new DP model!" When, in fact, it's so similar to the old that it's more like a redundancy.

- It has been a very long time since GW has had a DP model out. The 40k Chaos DP is from 2002-2003 I believe, and Belakor is 2004. The other metal fantasy DP's have been around since the late 90's.
- Also, the current trend is to go towards plastic HQ boxes with multitudes of options.

So it follows that this way, GW kills two birds with one stone. We get a new plastic DP model, it has a whole bunch of bitz/options, and can be used for either 40k or Fantasy. It's really a no brainer.

I agree with everything you said... But if they're gonna go to the trouble of making a new model, they should make improvements. Make it look better somehow. This new DP is neither better nor worse... just different.

Nurglitch wrote:Johnny:

I think you missed the second part of my post: it could be that they're just assembled and shot that way. They could look better in person, so to speak.

I agree with Johnny for that though,

If you look at the riders , their legs should be attached to the saddle so no possibility it was assembled statically there.
Then we have torso and arm , you can rotate the arms 360 for all we know and it'll still look like its just hanging there...

Its still static,

something dynamic = that juggernaught , no to mention the sculptor for once did research on animal movement for a bull prancing around...

They should have just made the DP 40k centric and included double the bitz.. I have yet to see a DP be used in fantasy due to GW making it an awful choice in every army that can use one

Your personal anecdotes don't determine use, though.

Nurglitch wrote:I think you're mistaking your taste for fact. You don't like them. Okay. Other people do. I do, for one. I'm looking forward to picking up a few boxes.

I agree with you. I for one have always prefered the 'new' Daemonettes to the somewhat childish Diaz sculpts. Juan Diaz is no doubt the second best sculptor that GW has working for them and his Daemonettes didn't disappoint a lot of people but there was no real Slaaneshi feel to them. In my view the Daemonette models that replaced Diaz' models are excellent sculpts and fit the supposed alien appearance of Daemonettes better. I'm sure someone thinks that Daemonettes should look like naked Jessica Alba clones with pincers or crab claws or knives in both hands, but I don't. I'm also very satisfied with the new Daemonette cavalry sculpts. I think the mounts look great and their grace reminds me of the new Dark Elf Cold Ones (the best GW cavalry model to date).

As far as the seekers go I think we mostly agree that the Steeds are looking good. The issue that I (and many others it seems) have is that the riders have dropped the ball.

Now, I will point out that we are only looking at 3 of the possible riders and there are undoubtedly more possibilities especially if it a plastic kit. On the other hand, even if the others riders epitomize the speed and grace expected of Slaaneshi riders these 3 will stick out like a sore thumb.

Best case: GW has once again picked the worst sculpt/color scheme to advertise their kit and the others are OK.
Worst case: All the riders will look like this.

I'm not holding my breath.

My $0.02.

Not a fan of the Horrors. They look very cartoony to me, and that head spike/thing makes them look like "Buu" from Dragonball. Hmm...Buu Horrors, anyone?

Seekers are solid sculpts, but I agree the riders look like someone took the existing plastics, trimmed off the tab, then stuck them on the mount. They don't look like they're *riding*, at least not at any speed.

Fateweaver has a fairly static pose, but appears to be nicely sculpted.

The DP probably deserves a closer look at the sprue. As assembled and pictured, it doesn't look as nice as the metal version, but different bitz might improve things. And really, GW wasn't really out to make it "better", but to move it to plastic and allow it to serve both games.

i actually am glad about the horrors. i was really worried when i heard they were being made into plastics, as the metals are just so damn good. Now, ive never liked to bloodletters so the blood crushers dont really bother me whether its metal or plastic if im honest. What i really like about the currant incarnation of the horros, is the fact that they have feathers, and beaks amongst their number. I think its a really nice addition. Hello new tzeentch daemon army ^^

I still miss the old daemonettes though. I only managed to get one seeker and one daemonette before the new (well at the time) ones were released...

I can see it! I can see it all! The conversions oh Allfather the conversions. Christ on a crutch I don't even play chaos and I think I'm going to get one and go to town on it.

Therion wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:I think you're mistaking your taste for fact. You don't like them. Okay. Other people do. I do, for one. I'm looking forward to picking up a few boxes.

I agree with you. I for one have always prefered the 'new' Daemonettes to the somewhat childish Diaz sculpts. Juan Diaz is no doubt the second best sculptor that GW has working for them and his Daemonettes didn't disappoint a lot of people but there was no real Slaaneshi feel to them. In my view the Daemonette models that replaced Diaz' models are excellent sculpts and fit the supposed alien appearance of Daemonettes better. I'm sure someone thinks that Daemonettes should look like naked Jessica Alba clones with pincers or crab claws or knives in both hands, but I don't. I'm also very satisfied with the new Daemonette cavalry sculpts. I think the mounts look great and their grace reminds me of the new Dark Elf Cold Ones (the best GW cavalry model to date).

+1!!!

I have very rarely found fault with GW's sculpting, the exception being of course with the Biovore and some metal daemon sculpts (beast of Nurgle, Fiend of Slannesh, Greater Khrone Daemon, Lord of Change)

Klawz wrote:

I have very rarely found fault with GW's sculpting, the exception being of course with the Biovore and some metal daemon sculpts (beast of Nurgle, Fiend of Slannesh, Greater Khrone Daemon, Lord of Change)

The current metal daemon sculpts arent bad, they are just difficult. The lord of change model is a pain in the ass to assemble and get it standing on the base. And i happened to buy a rather old one off of ebay and it was an old style base which was completely flat. Made pinning a real bugger, but the models themselves look good imo.

mrwittwer wrote:

Klawz wrote:

I have very rarely found fault with GW's sculpting, the exception being of course with the Biovore and some metal daemon sculpts (beast of Nurgle, Fiend of Slannesh, Greater Khrone Daemon, Lord of Change)

The current metal daemon sculpts arent bad, they are just difficult. The lord of change model is a pain in the ass to assemble and get it standing on the base. And i happened to buy a rather old one off of ebay and it was an old style base which was completely flat. Made pinning a real bugger, but the models themselves look good imo.

IMO the model is too scrawny. The body is this tiny thing, completly out of proportion with the rest of it. I once made an awesome concept sketch for a new LoC, but the majority was covered in a long cloak that merged into its wings.

Klawz wrote:
I have very rarely found fault with GW's sculpting, the exception being of course with the Biovore and some metal daemon sculpts (beast of Nurgle, Fiend of Slannesh, Greater Khrone Daemon, Lord of Change)

The new metal Beast of Nurgle is ass.

It just needs a metal speech bubble that says "derp, derp"

The beast or nurgle looks like a model that just can't be depicted in a 2d image - hopefully it works in person.

Hopefully the soul grinder gets optional torso's.

Lol,just kidding. That'd be cool though. A keeper of secrets on top of a defiler would be awesome

What i was worried about when i heard a new wave of daemon releases were pending, was that they would remake the plague bearers and horros to hark back to their older models. I mean, im sure everyines noticed that the current daemonettes have a certain asthetic similar to the old 'big claws' daemonettes, and the same is with the blood letters. However, im glad they didnt do that with the horrors. I would have cried. Plague bearers (if they are to be rereleased) arent much of a change between the older versions, than with the currant ones.

Well the keeper of secerets is a big wuss, I think I have played one 40k game where I actually got to kill him. He almost always flies off after the first wound.

Lorne wrote:Well the keeper of secerets is a big wuss, I think I have played one 40k game where I actually got to kill him. He almost always flies off after the first wound.

I think you mean the Fateweaver, right?

lol wow I think its time for a coffee, I just re read, Yes I ment the special LOC model fateweaver as Klawz was commenting that it was too scrawny.

Next time I will rethink that one.

Monster Rain wrote:

Lorne wrote:Well the keeper of secerets is a big wuss, I think I have played one 40k game where I actually got to kill him. He almost always flies off after the first wound.

I think you mean the Fateweaver, right?

Lorne wrote:lol wow I think its time for a coffee, I just re read, Yes I ment the special LOC model fateweaver as Klawz was commenting that it was too scrawny.

Next time I will rethink that one.

I thought it was some crack about how the KoS has access to Hit & Run.

Speaking of, anyone else notice that Mephiston has nearly the same profile as a Keeper of Secrets?

WTF. The new horrors look like a cross between Majin Buu and Slimer from Ghostbusters. Just horrible.

Valhallan42nd wrote:The new metal Beast of Nurgle is ass.

It just needs a metal speech bubble that says "derp, derp"

Rob Schneider is... a Beast of Nurgle! Derp!

Therion wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:I think you're mistaking your taste for fact. You don't like them. Okay. Other people do. I do, for one. I'm looking forward to picking up a few boxes.

I agree with you. I for one have always prefered the 'new' Daemonettes to the somewhat childish Diaz sculpts. Juan Diaz is no doubt the second best sculptor that GW has working for them and his Daemonettes didn't disappoint a lot of people but there was no real Slaaneshi feel to them. In my view the Daemonette models that replaced Diaz' models are excellent sculpts and fit the supposed alien appearance of Daemonettes better. I'm sure someone thinks that Daemonettes should look like naked Jessica Alba clones with pincers or crab claws or knives in both hands, but I don't. I'm also very satisfied with the new Daemonette cavalry sculpts. I think the mounts look great and their grace reminds me of the new Dark Elf Cold Ones (the best GW cavalry model to date).

I completely agree, the new daemonettes capture the horror of chaos far better than the old ones. My only gripes with them is the fairly static poses they have.

tokugawa wrote:and this picture is from one issue of White Dwarf...

Last time I asked about that pic I was told it was a conversion and not the new plastic DP ...

Totally digging the plastic power armored DP, even if I have 3-4 of the metal one kicking around various armies. Here I have so much angst about 8th edition fantasy's still birth, and The Dub serves up such a nice tasty hunk of sci-fi demon

- Salvage

Hmmm....I don't see any atrocities. Actually, I like all those models.


The Seekers are what I'm waiting for. I'm not really keen on the current poses though. But, the riders are an easy fix. I've already converted some regular daemonettes into sexier diaz-nette inspired riding poses. Just cut them at the knee, plastic weld the lower legs at a new angle, apply putty. You shouldn't even need to pin them.

I'll be removing the saddles as well, though. My girls ride bare-back. I just hope we get a good number of alternate heads, as the new ones are pretty sweet. So, what do you think 5 seekers in a box for $25 like Cold Ones Knights. I sure hope so!

when would they release the new codex of chaos daemons >any rumors ? new miniatures...new codex...

usa_supersonic wrote:when would they release the new codex of chaos daemons >any rumors ? new miniatures...new codex...

Well Codex Chaos Daemons is actually fairly new, and with all of the GK, DE, and Necron rumors i would be quite shocked if Chaos Daemons were to be released any time soon.

usa_supersonic wrote:when would they release the new codex of chaos daemons >any rumors ? new miniatures...new codex...

My guess is that the next version of Codexaemons will be that wrapped into Codex:Chaos, when the pendulum swings back hard and regifts chaos space marines, renegades, mutants and their demonic allies one brutally awesome book to rule them all. ETA: 5-10

(Though in all seriousness I don't think a new C:CSM / Legions is too far out of line. Feels about time, and (dark) lord knows the current 'dex is a pile compared to the xenos and OMG 1337 MARINES books of late.)

These new daemon models are part of 'Wave 2' for the daemon line. I haven't quite figured out why The Dub chooses to release a second wave when they do - take the newest orc 'wave' (ripple more like) - but it doesn't have to do with new books.

- Salvage

Meh, a new CSM book would be okay,but I'm too lazy to change my black legionnaires into another army to accommodate new rules. I have a feeling that the legion system will be >9000 times better next codex

Sersi wrote:Hmmm....I don't see any atrocities. Actually, I like all those models.


The Seekers are what I'm waiting for. I'm not really keen on the current poses though. But, the riders are an easy fix. I've already converted some regular daemonettes into sexier diaz-nette inspired riding poses. Just cut them at the knee, plastic weld the lower legs at a new angle, apply putty. You shouldn't even need to pin them.

I'll be removing the saddles as well, though. My girls ride bare-back. I just hope we get a good number of alternate heads, as the new ones are pretty sweet. So, what do you think 5 seekers in a box for $25 like Cold Ones Knights. I sure hope so!

So I was right that they're easily converted. Thank you.

personaly i like the the deamon prince ecept his back pack but it a deamon release not a choas space marine release
also i realy hop the blood crusher is plastic it wounldnt make sence for gw to keep the current one but it is GW

No new codex, it's just new models, and let me tell you It's been a long time wait. Horrors were terrible models, and the Seekers, I'm tired of trying to find old school nipple models and then paying a lot of money to acquire. Other models I hope they replace other models or create some, specifically:
Unclean one, this is the cruddiest model ever, I said screw it a purchased the Forgeworld one.
Plaguebearers, I just want this to go plastic.
Releasing actualy individual specific models for Heralds. I don't like the kits that come with the troop models.
Nurglings
Blue Scribes, I had to make this from scratch but was never satisfied with the result.
Redo Epidemius.
finally all the named Greater Daemons.


I can't wait, super excited.

SLOW THREAD,HUH?oops,capslock.

Aaanyway, is anyone else hoping for another bloodthirster?

Yeah, I'm also hoping for other greater daemons that don't look like a bunch of arse nuggets with paint on them.

The flame grabbing thing going on with that Tzeench character is a bit goofy. I'm excited to pick up those bloodcrushers.

Munch Munch! wrote:Yeah, I'm also hoping for other greater daemons that don't look like a bunch of arse nuggets with paint on them.

The GW Lord of Change and Boodthirster really arent that bad looking. However the Great Unclean One and Keeper of Secrets could definitely use a nice upgrade, something similar to the style of the Forge World models.

Didn't read through whole thing but got the gist, and saw the pics and all the goodness.

IMO I think the new DP is a downgrade in the detail of the model, however, being as it is a plastic model, I'll have no problems picking one up dirt cheap and converting it to be what I want it to be, which will most definitely include a change of about 40% of the model. I think GW has caught on that a lot of people are still in crappy economic times and want cheaper minis if they are to keep buying, and by making the model cheaper and more accessible, it also allows people to more easily pickup the DP for conversions. Seeing as a huge draw of the game is the customization aspect, I think it was a very smart idea on their part.

The pros on the model are:
1. the armor seems a bit more ornate, which is a bonus even though its fairly the same thing as the old one.
2. open design which allows better display of any custom sculpting and conversion work that is done on it, and if you really want to change it, do so.

negs are:
legs and backpack look like trash, buuuuuutttt. seeing as its plastic and cheap you can either do some GS changes over it, or cut the parts off and do your own sculpt (as I'll most likely do on the legs, pack I'll rebuild with a trim)

Also I noticed someone had mentioned they were upset about the loss of the ripple effect from the old DP, if you really want that look I'd suggest doing some thin rolls of GS and then blending it against the armor. Wil give you the same raised look plus you can make any symbols or effects you want very easily. Anyway, thats my 2 cents. Complaining wont get you anything new, so you may as well figure out how to turn the neg into a positive and what benefits will come from a cheaper easier to work with model..... hrrrrmmmmm.

Looking forward to combining the DP & Blood Crusher models for a Khorne DP

I'm not sure if I love the new DP or hate it. The head is an improvement on the current one but I still dont know if its right

It still disgusts me, even after looking at it for so long. Uuuuuuuggly.

Cursed Clover wrote:

Munch Munch! wrote:Yeah, I'm also hoping for other greater daemons that don't look like a bunch of arse nuggets with paint on them.

The GW Lord of Change and Boodthirster really arent that bad looking. However the Great Unclean One and Keeper of Secrets could definitely use a nice upgrade, something similar to the style of the Forge World models.

Hoestly, other way around.

honestly klaws, your slight right, LoC and KoS are the best greater daemons.

Blegh, the new DP is just meh really. Some parts are a definite improvement to the old one, like the armor for instance.

But the face the backpack... the legs!?

But the Juggernauts and the seekers (they're the mounted ones right) look pretty cool too, I can see some awesome conversion coming with them.

Just a quick question. Is it confirmed that the leaked pictures (changeling, fateweaver, pink horrors, daemon princes, seekers and bloodcrushers) are the only models to be released? I want to purchase some plaguebearers and fiends, but not if there is a chance they will have plastic kits coming out in August. Any info would be helpful. Thank You.

Its about as confirmed as its going to get. So this is it.

All I want is those seekers. Call me sick in the head but i love the design. I have 30 of the metal ones, but I want... nay need more.

Bloodthirster looks like crap now. I just bought a balrog. Looks way better. It would be great to have a plastic Bloodthirster though, instead of that crap Dp.

I imagine the DP has multiple heads for you to customize with.. Regardless, plastic kit >>>>>> big metal model with 1 pose

Is this including a new Codex and Army book? One of the FLGS nearby swears that it is and the are expecting to get 12 of each. I hadn't heard that one yet, any confirmation or just some rampant misunderstanding of the order form?

I wonder if the Defiler masks will fit the new Daemon Prince heads as well as the metal one.

Hope so.I'm saving those masks for something good.

Guys, I think this release is finally being acknowledged by GW. It may be a small hint but it is there. http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=10500139a In the 'Creating your own battlefield' picture, down the the bottom on the right there's a daemon picture with the Seekers in it.

It's not just on the GW page: the new 8th edition book has pictures of the seekers, Kairos and the Changeling-all the same pics that were leaked. There were no pictures of the new horrors or bloodcrushers, but they probably want us to buy metal ones up until the plastics come out. The new July WD DOES have a picture of a plastic bloodcrusher though: skim through it, I promise it's there (no, I don't have a page number for you) but only confirmed pics of the horrors are missing at this point-no idea on plaguebearers or fiends

Well the old metal Horrors are far better than the new plastic ones anyways, so you should get them before they're all gone!

You can no longer order the old metal ones off the website.

Orion_44 wrote:Is this including a new Codex and Army book? One of the FLGS nearby swears that it is and the are expecting to get 12 of each. I hadn't heard that one yet, any confirmation or just some rampant misunderstanding of the order form?

no, just a second wave, even SM don't get a new codex that soon after the last one

Bhindi Bhaji wrote:

Orion_44 wrote:Is this including a new Codex and Army book? One of the FLGS nearby swears that it is and the are expecting to get 12 of each. I hadn't heard that one yet, any confirmation or just some rampant misunderstanding of the order form?

no, just a second wave, even SM don't get a new codex that soon after the last one

.....oh,I get it.

I like pretty much all the new models coming out, plastic DP is a bonus too, my only qualm is the DP's face

Really looking forward to the plastic Bloodcrushers. They will be perfect for my Khorne counts-as Space Wolves project as Thunderwolf calvary

Daemon Black Box models have shipped to stores. The new August Daemon release preview models will be on display in at least one of my local GW stores starting later today, Saturday, July 10.

Here's what plastic models are in the Black Box of Daemons:
- Daemon Prince, complete with Space Marine type pauldrons on the sprue
- Seekers of Slaanesh
- Bloodcrusher (Juggernaut)

I helped my local GW assemble the seekers today. Very nice.

They came 5 to a sprue, and each body has two seperate "wattles" for the seeker's head. I'm looking forward to picking up 10 of them.

Built a bloodcrusher this afternoon, excellent model.

Really? Do you have pics?

Munch Munch! wrote:Really? Do you have pics?

There are pics of the frames from a Black Box at BoLS Lounge.

Any idea on prices yet?

Yea, I definitely wanna know prices too-in US dollars

Ok...The demon prince can have weapons in both arms. I just joygasmed due to sheer awesome going to be added to my World Eater army.

Plastic Daemon Prince seems to be quite the success.

Way more options than i ever would have thought and i dont see any heads so it looks like there is another spure. I am excited.

Do we know if these are on sale yet?

Kurgash wrote:Ok...The demon prince can have weapons in both arms. I just joygasmed due to sheer awesome going to be added to my World Eater army.

Look again. All 3 weapons are for the right hand only

Is it just me, or are the Seeker sprues rather sparse in places compared to the other two kits? They could easily have fitted a sixth model on there.

lord_blackfang wrote:Is it just me, or are the Seeker sprues rather sparse in places compared to the other two kits? They could easily have fitted a sixth model on there.

Indeed, they could have, but then it's not like 6 has any particular meaning for Seekers, does it?

lord_blackfang wrote:

Kurgash wrote:Ok...The demon prince can have weapons in both arms. I just joygasmed due to sheer awesome going to be added to my World Eater army.

Look again. All 3 weapons are for the right hand only

Looks like Blood Crushers come 3 to a box and seekers come in 5s. I like the Daemon Prince kit, 3 head, weapon, and back options, nice, of course I can't imagine myself ever taking a DP without wings though.

this = sexy.

lord_blackfang wrote:

Is it just me, or are the Seeker sprues rather sparse in places compared to the other two kits? They could easily have fitted a sixth model on there.

The bloodcrusher sprue compared to the seeker one in the last picture makes me sad and proves you right. The seekers have very little on a sprue while the bloodcrushers use all the space nicely.

mrwittwer wrote:Plastic Daemon Prince seems to be quite the success.

Way more options than i ever would have thought and i dont see any heads so it looks like there is another sprue.

Nope, I can see the heads (which look crap and have all been seen already in model form) - bottom left sprue.

That plastic daemon prince looks like it has some great potential however, lots of converting possibility, shame about the lack of wings and attractive extra's such as different legs and backpack etc. can't have everything though.

The bloodcrusher sprue looks great - I think that could easily be one of the best received plastic models to come.

Just Dave wrote:

mrwittwer wrote:Plastic Daemon Prince seems to be quite the success.

Way more options than i ever would have thought and i dont see any heads so it looks like there is another sprue.

Nope, I can see the heads (which look crap and have all been seen already in model form) - bottom left sprue.

Now thats a bit disappointing, but could lead to some creative modeling.

mrwittwer wrote:

Just Dave wrote:

mrwittwer wrote:Plastic Daemon Prince seems to be quite the success.

Way more options than i ever would have thought and i dont see any heads so it looks like there is another sprue.

Nope, I can see the heads (which look crap and have all been seen already in model form) - bottom left sprue.

Now thats a bit disappointing, but could lead to some creative modeling.

Not for me, it's going to lead to the bin. The heads anyway. OK, maybe the bits box. None-the-less I don't plan on using them as anything other than trophies elsewhere.

Ohhhh why can't we have plastic greated demons, that'd make it so easy to build about 12 for apocalypse and not have stuff dropping off all the time!

On the other hand, darn, that demon prince looks like the next best thing!

Plastic juggers will be awfully handy for making robotic Thunderwolf stand-ins...

My thoughts exatly!

mrwittwer wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:

Is it just me, or are the Seeker sprues rather sparse in places compared to the other two kits? They could easily have fitted a sixth model on there.

The bloodcrusher sprue compared to the seeker one in the last picture makes me sad and proves you right. The seekers have very little on a sprue while the bloodcrushers use all the space nicely.

It looks like the last picture is the "command" for the Seekers.

Broken pics are broken

EDIT: NVM, computer was being slow for like 10 minutes.


I regret my earlier comments on the DP. It looks good! The wings are nice, and the kit's got multiple sword options, which I can use again later. Those backpack-things are ugly, but I always use wings anyway. I on't see the heads either, but I think I see them poking out somewhere.


Over all, Not bad! I hope they keep the metal prince too. They probably won't, mainly since they didn't keep the metal Ven Dread after the plastic kit came out. I can keep my hopes up though.

Mmmmm 3 Bloodcrushers per box. Very nice.

I really don't like how the legs of the daemonettes just sort of hang there. I really preferred the older version where their ankles were level with their knees.

Otherwise I rather like those kits. Fateweaver is a little static, but still pretty nice looking. Lots more plastic kits is always a pleasure to see Even the DP is looking decent.

I am totally happy that there isn't just the "WH40K" DP but also the "WHF" DP - I already was worried the WHF DP would never come out. But I will buy him, even as I will noe use him in my WHF WoC Army. But its an awesome model.

Kanluwen wrote:

mrwittwer wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:

Is it just me, or are the Seeker sprues rather sparse in places compared to the other two kits? They could easily have fitted a sixth model on there.

The bloodcrusher sprue compared to the seeker one in the last picture makes me sad and proves you right. The seekers have very little on a sprue while the bloodcrushers use all the space nicely.

It looks like the last picture is the "command" for the Seekers.

You are missing the point
A sprue been command sprue means they cant fit extras?

Lots of command sprue from other kits are filled with extra bits.

Like so many GW kits the Seekers are all on ONE sprue coming out of the mold with three sections that can be easily separated so it can be condensed into a standard sized GW unit box.

Are there any pictures of the new plastic horror sprues yet?

LunaHound wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

mrwittwer wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:

Is it just me, or are the Seeker sprues rather sparse in places compared to the other two kits? They could easily have fitted a sixth model on there.

The bloodcrusher sprue compared to the seeker one in the last picture makes me sad and proves you right. The seekers have very little on a sprue while the bloodcrushers use all the space nicely.

It looks like the last picture is the "command" for the Seekers.

You are missing the point
A sprue being a command sprue means they can't fit extras?

Or it means that they've got weirdly shaped bits on those command sprues. Look at what's taking up most of the space in the upper left corner.
An icon, and then a banner takes up most of the space in the lower right.

Lots of command sprues from other kits are filled with extra bits.

No, they're really not. Those "command sprues from other kits" are just command bits attached to the normal sprues.

Or y'know...they are nothing but an entire boxed set dedicated to a commander unit.

Nice looking sprues. Not impressed with the Seekers, but I wasn't planning on getting them anyway. Crushers and DP look great, but where are the Horrors?

Put me down for 3 boxes of Crushers and 2 DP's (to start with). (2 boxes of Horrors as well)

Thanks for the pics!

Ooh, I do want some of those. I just need a reason for a BT army to have Crushers in it...

Raptorkid wrote:Ooh, I do want some of those. I just need a reason for a BT army to have Crushers in it...

Wait for the next Codex.

Loving the crushers. My PH WEs will be using them as stand in T-wolves, unless I find something better before then.

I'll be getting atleast 1 DP kits as a basis for Post Heresy Angron. I'm happy to have these released soon.

Whooo plastic prince!

size comparison please
Old DP to New DP or DP to marine,

I like what I see so far, especially three crushers to a box, I May actually finish that Khorne Daemon army I started.

God, it's so bad...look at the fists holding the sword hilts, what the hell is that? He's got these comically huge arms and tiny little hands? And apparently yeah, this kit is only one sprue because all the variant heads are on there (just small and hard to see), and there's only three: goofy grin which no one liked, goofy beastman head which is uglier than sin, and the 40k-themed head which, while being arguably the best-looking head option, is still goofy compared to the old metal prince. And I hate those wings...they aren't really abysmal, but those extremely sharp angles make them look really cartoony in my opinion.

And that, overall, is my main complain about this kit and damn near every other Chaos kit GW has put out since 2007: too. Fething. Cartoony. I'm not asking for too much, I don't want ultra-realistic, super-violent minis that put the Rogue Trader fluff to shame or anything like that, but I definitely don't want the over-the-top, "MUA-HA-HA!", Saturday morning cartoon style villainy that GW is trying to go for. The coolest models in this update are the changling (it's so simple, but it still looks great) and the LoC character.

And of course everyone's going to rip my ass open because we're not allowed to criticize anything GW does, I'm just saying in my opinion, these models suck, and I hate the guy they have sculpting for Chaos now. If ANYTHING in 40k should be gritty and dark it should be Chaos, and they've got the most cartoony style compared to any other race in the game. I think I can take Orks more seriously than Chaos now.

Sidstyler wrote:God, it's so bad...look at the fists holding the sword hilts, what the hell is that? He's got these comically huge arms and tiny little hands? And apparently yeah, this kit is only one sprue because all the variant heads are on there (just small and hard to see), and there's only three: goofy grin which no one liked, goofy beastman head which is uglier than sin, and the 40k-themed head which, while being arguably the best-looking head option, is still goofy compared to the old metal prince. And I hate those wings...they aren't really abysmal, but those extremely sharp angles make them look really cartoony in my opinion.

And that, overall, is my main complain about this kit and damn near every other Chaos kit GW has put out since 2007: too. Fething. Cartoony. I'm not asking for too much, I don't want ultra-realistic, super-violent minis that put the Rogue Trader fluff to shame or anything like that, but I definitely don't want the over-the-top, "MUA-HA-HA!", Saturday morning cartoon style villainy that GW is trying to go for. The coolest models in this update are the changling (it's so simple, but it still looks great) and the LoC character.

And of course everyone's going to rip my ass open because we're not allowed to criticize anything GW does, I'm just saying in my opinion, these models suck, and I hate the guy they have sculpting for Chaos now. If ANYTHING in 40k should be gritty and dark it should be Chaos, and they've got the most cartoony style of any other race in the game. I think I can take Orks more seriously than Chaos now.

I Agree to the fullest, the only good "new" releases are the new terminators and terminator lord. I want more This than This

Sidstyler wrote:God, it's so bad...look at the fists holding the sword hilts, what the hell is that? He's got these comically huge arms and tiny little hands? And apparently yeah, this kit is only one sprue because all the variant heads are on there (just small and hard to see), and there's only three: goofy grin which no one liked, goofy beastman head which is uglier than sin, and the 40k-themed head which, while being arguably the best-looking head option, is still goofy compared to the old metal prince. And I hate those wings...they aren't really abysmal, but those extremely sharp angles make them look really cartoony in my opinion.

And that, overall, is my main complain about this kit and damn near every other Chaos kit GW has put out since 2007: too. Fething. Cartoony. I'm not asking for too much, I don't want ultra-realistic, super-violent minis that put the Rogue Trader fluff to shame or anything like that, but I definitely don't want the over-the-top, "MUA-HA-HA!", Saturday morning cartoon style villainy that GW is trying to go for. The coolest models in this update are the changling (it's so simple, but it still looks great) and the LoC character.

And of course everyone's going to rip my ass open because we're not allowed to criticize anything GW does, I'm just saying in my opinion, these models suck, and I hate the guy they have sculpting for Chaos now. If ANYTHING in 40k should be gritty and dark it should be Chaos, and they've got the most cartoony style of any other race in the game. I think I can take Orks more seriously than Chaos now.

I totally agree with you. Chaos should look like the forgeworld stuff, IMO. They do a great job of making things look actually chaotic.

However, I'm about 50% sure they'll keep the metal Daemon Prince, so I don't really care. I just want the option to be able to have both. I love the metal one with all my heart, but I also love plastic...soo...Yeah.

Although.....This bloodcrusher doesn't look very easy to convert at all....In fact it looks just as hard as the metal one..The legs are one piece, as is the body....Well, then again, it's better than metal


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I Agree to the fullest, the only good "new" releases are the new terminators and terminator lord. I want more This than This

I would be extremely surprised if they keep the metal demon prince in production. At best he'll be moved to the collectors section until they're out of stock.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:I would be extremely surprised if they keep the metal demon prince in production. At best he'll be moved to the collectors section until they're out of stock.

I are sad panda. Since the daemons are an official release now, I'll ask someone at my local GW. If it's not an official release, they play dumb. "Huh, what? We're getting plastic daemons? No way!"

Just saw the Tzeentchian Daemon pics, I squeed.

I can't wait to find out how much the prince kit will cost. If they want more than $20 for it I'm going to lol. It's so not worth it.

Seriously man, they call themselves the Lexus of miniature wargaming, and they put out crap like that? Lexus prices for Chevy quality.

Sidstyler wrote:I can't wait to find out how much the prince kit will cost. If they want more than $20 for it I'm going to lol. It's so not worth it.

Seriously man, they call themselves the Lexus of miniature wargaming, and they put out crap like that? Lexus prices for Chevy quality.

I would imagine way more than 20$ bro. If the terminator lord is 22, then I'm sure this will be at least 25, maybe 35.

Also, now that the kit is plastic, I can convert the left arm so it's got a sword also. Samurai Prince,lol

Oh don't get me wrong, I know this is gonna be like a $45 kit or more (or MORE), knowing GW. They hype the gak out of everything they sell even if it looks like garbage.

I'm just saying, to me, it's not worth more than $20. Not that sculpt, not that quality. They need to fire this guy that's doing all their new Chaos models and get someone on it who "gets it", because like I said, I take Orks more seriously than Chaos now. And that's just wrong, Orks are the freakin' comic relief of 40k and their models are more gritty and dark than ANYTHING available in the Chaos range?

IIRC it's about the same price as the current prince.

So when can we buy these bad boys? Early august or late july?

Sidstyler wrote:Oh don't get me wrong, I know this is gonna be like a $45 kit or more (or MORE), knowing GW. They hype the gak out of everything they sell even if it looks like garbage.

I'm just saying, to me, it's not worth more than $20. Not that sculpt, not that quality. They need to fire this guy that's doing all their new Chaos models and get someone on it who "gets it", because like I said, I take Orks more seriously than Chaos now. And that's just wrong, Orks are the freakin' comic relief of 40k and their models are more gritty and dark than ANYTHING available in the Chaos range?

do you have any idea of how much it costs to produce something as 'simple' as that model, im going to assume not.

gw is a BUSINESS they need to make money, nothing in the range is based on how good the sculpt is, it's all based on what it costs to make the model and what need to be added so that they can profit and grow as a business.

stop demanding that gw owe you bargain prices they don't.

Sidstyler wrote:God, it's so bad...look at the fists holding the sword hilts, what the hell is that? He's got these comically huge arms and tiny little hands? And apparently yeah, this kit is only one sprue because all the variant heads are on there (just small and hard to see), and there's only three: goofy grin which no one liked, goofy beastman head which is uglier than sin, and the 40k-themed head which, while being arguably the best-looking head option, is still goofy compared to the old metal prince. And I hate those wings...they aren't really abysmal, but those extremely sharp angles make them look really cartoony in my opinion.

And that, overall, is my main complain about this kit and damn near every other Chaos kit GW has put out since 2007: too. Fething. Cartoony. I'm not asking for too much, I don't want ultra-realistic, super-violent minis that put the Rogue Trader fluff to shame or anything like that, but I definitely don't want the over-the-top, "MUA-HA-HA!", Saturday morning cartoon style villainy that GW is trying to go for. The coolest models in this update are the changling (it's so simple, but it still looks great) and the LoC character.

And of course everyone's going to rip my ass open because we're not allowed to criticize anything GW does, I'm just saying in my opinion, these models suck, and I hate the guy they have sculpting for Chaos now. If ANYTHING in 40k should be gritty and dark it should be Chaos, and they've got the most cartoony style compared to any other race in the game. I think I can take Orks more seriously than Chaos now.

You are saying the JG Lord on Juggernaught is cartoony?

I hope not because if you have I think you need to put down the bottle. I have to assume you are blanketing all Chaos kits in with your feelings of the DP. Bloodletters and Daemonettes don't look cartoony.

Shame on you Sid. /rip

do you have any idea of how much it costs to produce something as 'simple' as that model

Oh dear, here we go.

im going to assume not.

I find it's always easier to make bs assumptions about people than to find out the truth, too.

gw is a BUSINESS they need to make money

HURR DURR

nothing in the range is based on how good the sculpt is, it's all based on what it costs to make the model and what need to be added so that they can profit and grow as a business.

So in other words, GW wasted thousands of dollars producing a crappy model that's not worth the price they have to sell it at to make a profit.

I know full well they don't set prices based on the quality of the sculpt (well, actually they kinda do since they think EVERYTHING they do is high quality [every single model in their catalog is a "finely detailed Citadel Miniature"]), but I really don't see why that's relevant. At the end of the day, what determines a sale is the quality of the sculpt. If a model looks like crap no one's going to buy it.

So I have no idea what you're trying to argue here. If you're telling me the sculpt doesn't matter then you're wrong, it does. GW may not give a damn but that's all that matters to a customer. We're not going to buy it just because GW sunk a lot of money into it's production, we're not obligated to buy crappy sculpts.

stop demanding that gw owe you bargain prices they don't.

Can you read? Where the hell did I "demand" anything? Quote me, I dare you.

I didn't say GW "owed me bargain prices", all I said was I wouldn't give more than $20 for this kit based on the quality of the sculpt. I'm seriously disappointed with the daemon prince, I think this was a big opportunity that they screwed up big time, and that they most likely wouldn't be getting a sale from me based on how the finished product looks and the inevitably ridiculous price that will go with it.

I can grumble and cough up $35 for a model that looks awesome. For this? Never.

Fateweaver wrote:I hope not because if you have I think you need to put down the bottle.

O_o *puts his water down*

Okay, allow me to correct myself: the only good kits that have come out of this whole thing are the bloodletters and juggers. That's about what I expect from GW: cool-looking models and sprues packed with parts. Everything else is disappointing.

Also, the Jes Goodwin model you're talking about is one of my favorite Warhammer models, so I'm not talking about that one, either. That's actually my point, that model screams Chaos to me, everything else doesn't.

3 Bloodcrushers per box? Wasn't expecting that. Quite nice.

Love the DP.

But you know that's going to be a $50 box though, right?

Well, considering they're pretty big models and they were like $25 each before, I guess that's not really so bad.

H.B.M.C. wrote:3 Bloodcrushers per box? Wasn't expecting that. Quite nice.

Love the DP.

I believe it, but I only see two

I can imagine three to a box would be 45$, following the trend of "Three bikes= 45$"

3 for $45 is better than 3 for $75.

It will allow me to make my Fatecrusher list.

Sidstyler wrote:

gw is a BUSINESS they need to make money

HURR DURR

LOL What a compelling and insightful statement. I think my baby cousin said something like this last night, turns out he had poop in his diaper. I can only assume the same goes for you.

Seriously, if you don't like the new prince model thats fine. You have made your point, don't pick fights with the people who like it.

In russian, "HURR DURR" means something along the lines of " I agree my friend, but somehow I can't help but ponder that Stalin would have done a quite better job"

Samus_aran115 wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:3 Bloodcrushers per box? Wasn't expecting that. Quite nice.

Love the DP.

I believe it, but I only see two

I can imagine three to a box would be 45$, following the trend of "Three bikes= 45$"

There's one Bloodcrusher on each section of sprue. The third is what looks to be a command model, and is by itself and displayed in the final picture with the Seeker Command that's on the previous page.

So what are our options for nurgle princes? Do we just have to convert until we get a good enough look? There's no nurgle bits on that sprue, as far as I can tell....Maybe they'll just keep the metal one for nurgle, or they'll force us to but the FW one.

Oh, and thank you, a command one would be awesome. Hopefully we can put marines on top of them.

H.B.M.C. wrote:3 Bloodcrushers per box? Wasn't expecting that. Quite nice.

I was.

3 plastic monsters for £27 is their new thing (see also Minotaurs, River Trolls & Raveners)

Samus_aran115 wrote:So what are our options for nurgle princes? Do we just have to convert until we get a good enough look?
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Take the model to your local fast-food joint four days a week, he'll fill out soon enough.

mousespook wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:So what are our options for nurgle princes? Do we just have to convert until we get a good enough look?
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Take the model to your local fast-food joint four days a week, he'll fill out soon enough.

You sir, are built upon win. Are you constructed using the latest synthetic materials known as wintanium? Because you seem to be strong with wins.

mrwittwer wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:

gw is a BUSINESS they need to make money

HURR DURR

LOL What a compelling and insightful statement. I think my baby cousin said something like this last night, turns out he had poop in his diaper. I can only assume the same goes for you.

Seriously, if you don't like the new prince model thats fine. You have made your point, don't pick fights with the people who like it.

First of all, I don't care if you do like the model. Good for you, doesn't bother me at all...I don't particularly understand why, but I don't care. I was just posting why I didn't like it, and how I think GW is screwing up most of the Chaos releases lately. We're in simple disagreement at best, no one's "picking fights" here...well, except you and twistinthunder.

Second, I responded to a "compelling and insightful" argument with one of my own. I don't like it when people insinuate that I'm fething stupid and don't understand the very basic fact that GW wants to make money. I'm sorry that I really don't have anything more to say to that than "NO gak?!". I don't know how many times I have to say that I understand that perfectly, but I'm getting tired of repeating myself.

The fact of the matter is that has nothing at all to do with my argument. I'm sure this model, like most, will have a premium price tag to go with it, but you know, if they're going to charge us that damn much then the LEAST I ask for is a good quality model for my money. This, in my opinion, is not good enough. The sculptor they have working on this and most other Chaos stuff has a style that I really am not fond of, and by the looks of things, I'm not alone!

If GW wants to make money so bad, then maybe they should invest in better sculptors, that's all I'm saying. If they want to hold to the idea that their product is a high-dollar luxury, if they want to compare themselves to Lexus or Porsche then they need to prove it, they need to earn it. Their models are usually pretty good, but they've been missing the mark a lot lately and that's going to hurt them eventually.

Thanks for posting the pics!

It doesn't look like those crushers will be too hard to de-chaosify. I'll definitely be joining the "counts as thunderwolf" club...