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Samus_aran115 wrote:mousespook wrote:Samus_aran115 wrote:So what are our options for nurgle princes? Do we just have to convert until we get a good enough look?
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Take the model to your local fast-food joint four days a week, he'll fill out soon enough.
You sir, are built upon win. Are you constructed using the latest synthetic materials known as wintanium? Because you seem to be strong with wins.
I'm just new to these here forums, and am looking forward to getting this daemon prince. This is all.
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Post by: Fateweaver
Sidstyler wrote:mrwittwer wrote:Sidstyler wrote:
gw is a BUSINESS they need to make money
HURR DURR
LOL What a compelling and insightful statement. I think my baby cousin said something like this last night, turns out he had poop in his diaper. I can only assume the same goes for you.
Seriously, if you don't like the new prince model thats fine. You have made your point, don't pick fights with the people who like it.
First of all, I don't care if you do like the model. Good for you, doesn't bother me at all...I don't particularly understand why, but I don't care. I was just posting why I didn't like it, and how I think GW is screwing up most of the Chaos releases lately. We're in simple disagreement at best, no one's "picking fights" here...well, except you and twistinthunder.
Second, I responded to a "compelling and insightful" argument with one of my own. I don't like it when people insinuate that I'm fething stupid and don't understand the very basic fact that GW wants to make money. I'm sorry that I really don't have anything more to say to that than "NO gak?!". I don't know how many times I have to say that I understand that perfectly, but I'm getting tired of repeating myself.
The fact of the matter is that has nothing at all to do with my argument. I'm sure this model, like most, will have a premium price tag to go with it, but you know, if they're going to charge us that damn much then the LEAST I ask for is a good quality model for my money. This, in my opinion, is not good enough. The sculptor they have working on this and most other Chaos stuff has a style that I really am not fond of, and by the looks of things, I'm not alone!
If GW wants to make money so bad, then maybe they should invest in better sculptors, that's all I'm saying. If they want to hold to the idea that their product is a high-dollar luxury, if they want to compare themselves to Lexus or Porsche then they need to prove it, they need to earn it. Their models are usually pretty good, but they've been missing the mark a lot lately and that's going to hurt them eventually.
The looks of the DP are subjective. Just because a handful of dakkaites don't like the new DP model doesn't mean the vast majority of chaos players don't like it either. Dakka user base is NOT the only people on the planet who play 40k. You might not like it, a handful of others may not like it but that doesn't mean that the modeling quality is gak. To you it is but you do not represent the voice of the people.
I happen to think it's a fine model. It doesn't hold a candle to the FW DP but it will also be around 1/2 the price of the FW Khornate DP (or that Nurgle dude from FW). But plastic will NEVER get that kind of detail and sexiness so that's rather a moot point comparing the two (three).
Sales will tell a good tale but I have a feeling lots of the new plastic DP's will move, same goes for the "OMG THE SEEKERS LOOK FAKE" plastic Seekers and the apparently Horribad Horrors.
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Post by: Samus_aran115
mousespook wrote:Samus_aran115 wrote:mousespook wrote:Samus_aran115 wrote:So what are our options for nurgle princes? Do we just have to convert until we get a good enough look?
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Take the model to your local fast-food joint four days a week, he'll fill out soon enough.
You sir, are built upon win. Are you constructed using the latest synthetic materials known as wintanium? Because you seem to be strong with wins.
I'm just new to these here forums, and am looking forward to getting this daemon prince. This is all.
That was a compliment 
As am I.
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Post by: LunaHound
Kanluwen wrote:LunaHound wrote:Kanluwen wrote:mrwittwer wrote:lord_blackfang wrote:
Is it just me, or are the Seeker sprues rather sparse in places compared to the other two kits? They could easily have fitted a sixth model on there.
The bloodcrusher sprue compared to the seeker one in the last picture makes me sad and proves you right. The seekers have very little on a sprue while the bloodcrushers use all the space nicely.
It looks like the last picture is the "command" for the Seekers.
You are missing the point 
A sprue being a command sprue means they can't fit extras?
Or it means that they've got weirdly shaped bits on those command sprues. Look at what's taking up most of the space in the upper left corner.
An icon, and then a banner takes up most of the space in the lower right.
Lots of command sprues from other kits are filled with extra bits.
No, they're really not. Those "command sprues from other kits" are just command bits attached to the normal sprues.
Or y'know...they are nothing but an entire boxed set dedicated to a commander unit.
There is absolutely nothing stopping them to have a different standard Icon , or different arm , or diferent looking musician arm
beacuse you know , incase someone want to field more than one unit and they would have 2 different looking commands EASILY.
But then you say they dont even have space for that .... right.
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Post by: Kanluwen
There are two different icons in the Seeker sprues. One's on the "main" sprue, the other is on the "command" sprue.
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Post by: LunaHound
Still the sprue can easily be utilized for more bits. There isnt really much to argue about there.
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Post by: Kanluwen
What other bits are there to add?
None. Really, there's not.
Daemon units can't really take that much to begin with for upgrades, which is where a lot of sprue space on other armies is used up, and the fact that they look compatible with the standard Daemonette box means there's really no reason to use up all the space.
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Post by: Mattlov
I don't play daemons at all, and I'm going to try to pick up one of those Daemon Princes.
Looks like a very solid model.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I like them. The two non- 40K heads for the DP are gak, but otherwise I think it's a cool model. No interest in the Seekers 'cause I already have 18 of the far superior previous sculpts. Really want to see the Horrors now. 
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Post by: twistinthunder
Sidstyler wrote:
no one's "picking fights" here...well, except you and twistinthunder.
woah woah now, i made a point you made a point and then i dropped the argument, if i was starting a fight i would have kept it going by myself.
yes i realised that this may sound like im starting fight.
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Post by: Sidstyler
I don't even care anymore, let's just drop it.
All I'll say is that my first impressions of the DP kit aren't very good. Maybe when I start seeing more finished models and what other people can do with them it might help sell me on it, but I doubt it.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Sidstyler wrote:All I'll say is that my first impressions of the DP kit aren't very good.
I have to wonder where you're getting the ' comically small hands' angle. One of them looks small to me, the other two in normal proportion to the arm. This is of the arms holding weapons, not the big mutated ones.
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Post by: Sidstyler
I looked at the sprue pic and the hands holding weapons looked really tiny in comparison to their huge arms. I mean no gak, if you're a hulking behemoth with biceps the size of tree trunks your hands are probably going to look smaller anyway, but they just don't look "right" if you know what I mean. It might just be the pics.
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Post by: SpitfireArsonist
Glad the stupid arguing ended before the thread was locked due to lack of civility.
Annnyyywhooo... loving the new models. Wtb some new plague bearers though.
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Post by: Cardinal Xaphan
WOW this is epic. I might need to start a chaos daemons army now. All i hope is that they make a decent looking bloodthirster sculpt.....
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Post by: Jackal
The changeling and kairos will make my army for sure.
Getting ready to order 12 crushers (if they are under £35 per box of 3)
The seekers though, as many people have said, great mount, poor model.
But since im running wych elves as daemonettes, i can allways convert them onto the seeker i guess.
Failing that, bit of work and you have cheap plastic fiends.
In love with the daemon prince though, and i see this being the base of alot of convertions.
Need atleast 2 so i can make a skarbrand lol, then 3 more for HS.
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Post by: Mosg
The new plastic Horrors replaced the new plastic Bloodletters as my favorite plastic kit of all time. I think they look 10x better than the metal ones... And those're still great models.
3x Crushers for ~50 bucks? Sounds like a bargain to me.
I dislike all of the heads for the new Daemon Prince but the rest of him/her/it looks fine to me.
I think everyone's just spoiled by how awesome the Diaz Daemonettes and Seekers are. These seeks look great. The riders could use some work but it's nothing that some green stuff won't fix.
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Post by: TempusCorvus
Definitely going to have to get one of the metal princes while I still can. I don't love the model, but I would still like to have one. The New prince...Heads are far too cartoony, but other than that it's fine. I think I'll just use one of the defiler masks for the head, actually.
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Post by: Starfarer
I think the new Daemon models overall are really well done. The Horrors aren't really my cup of tea, but I've never really liked the Tzeentch stuff. I think the Crushers and Seekers are top notch. It's been covered previously that the Seekers riders don't really flow with the rest of the model, and I agree, but he mounts and the riders themselves look very good.
The Daemon Prince I'm not thrilled about. There had been some rumors ahile back that it would have god-specific parts and I assumed this would be the case, but it is obviously pretty generic. I do agree with Sidstyler that a number of the Chaos releases in the past few years have been pretty cartoony and not very sinister looking, the daemon prince included.
That being said, I am excited about the DP model simply because plastic offers alot more options in terms of modifying and converting the model. I expect to see some fantastic conversions based off of this new kit. I'm still on the fence about getting it myself. I had planned to get several boxes for a daemon army, but now I'm not so sure.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
I think the new Daemon models overall are really well done.
I agree. I have no complaints about any of them at all except maybe the continually rising prices. I'm sure the Bloodcrusher box will be at least $44.50 US based on similar releases this year, but they look great, are cheaper, lighter and easier to build per model than metal and eaiser to maintain after painting than metal. I'll definitely get some and all the other plastics too. In fact I sold my old metal Seekers last year to replace them with new plastics this year.
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Post by: Rbb
Metal bloodcrushers are $30 US. If the plastic kit is 3 for $45 then I will definitely be getting some. If the dp costs more than the spawn kit it might be hard convincing myself to get one of those. But spawn parts kitbashed with dp parts will be cool. The spawn has god specific parts.
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Post by: Samus_aran115
Rbb wrote:Metal bloodcrushers are $30 US. If the plastic kit is 3 for $45 then I will definitely be getting some. If the dp costs more than the spawn kit it might be hard convincing myself to get one of those. But spawn parts kitbashed with dp parts will be cool. The spawn has god specific parts.
I was thinking this too. Maybe I can fit that extra torso on a spawn somewhere, and those weapons. So!
WHEN ARE THESE AVAILABLE?
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Post by: Munch Munch!
Read the topic title. They are coming out in August.
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Post by: Fateweaver
August 7th and August 21st. As to which kits take which slot is not known yet, only the dates.
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Post by: Sersi
Man that seeker sprue is looking pretty sweet. So, we get 5 extra heads it appears. Wait are those fins on three of the heads? I didn't see that one coming, in fact I can't recall any previous daemonettes sculpts or art having fins. Would it have killed them to throw in some tentacle hair instead? I need to see the other side of the sprue, but are the missing their tails as well?
Well at least fixing the poses on the riders will be easy.
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Post by: SpitfireArsonist
This game needs more tentacles... Not sarcasm btw.
That sounds a bit weird in hindsight.
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Post by: reds8n
The rest are released a fortnight later so should follow in a week or two.
£15 for 5 seekers is a bargain, be getting some of those.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
As is often the case the web team has failed to post the pricing for some of the new Advance Orders on the US GW web store. This not only means one can't tell what the prices are, but one cannot actually order those items either until prices are finally posted. Hopefully they won't take too long to fix this.
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Post by: Samus_aran115
Munch Munch! wrote: Read the topic title. They are coming out in August.
Nooo, what time in august? Early, late, middle? Automatically Appended Next Post: Fateweaver wrote:August 7th and August 21st. As to which kits take which slot is not known yet, only the dates.
Thanks that was I was looking for.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
New releases are nearly always the first Saturday of the release month with additional items exactly two Saturdays later. This is neither a secret nor too hard to figure out, they've been doing it that way for quite a while now.
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Post by: Samus_aran115
BrassScorpion wrote:New releases are nearly always the first Saturday of the release month with additional items exactly two Saturdays later. This is neither a secret nor too hard to figure out, they've been doing it that way for quite a while now.
I haven't been buying from GW long enough to know, sorry. Automatically Appended Next Post:
Thanks for the post. This is a slight hint that they might keep the metal daemon prince..I hope. Come to think of it, this new prince looks better in fantasy, so they might still sell the other one for Chaos Space marines.
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Post by: Samus_aran115
I sent GW a polite email asking them if they'll be keeping the metal prince for a while. I'll let you guys know when I get a reply.
I love that you can give the prince trophy racks. That's awesome!
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Post by: Rymafyr
Overall, I'm not too impressed w/ the look of the new plastic Daemon Princes. I'm certainly impressed w/ all the options available but the sculpt...not so much. I'd take the old metal DP for CSM any day over using one of these for that role. However, I usually just use the old metal DP for a Greater Daemon anyway as a DP w/o wings is Dead on Arrival. Seriously considering converting a Balrog from the LoTR line for a new DP.
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Post by: Samus_aran115
Actually, a balrog is a great model to use. It's got great wings and has plenty of options (well, a sword and a fisty-thing).
I've considered this too. It's cheaper than a bloodthirster!
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Post by: Aduro
I can't decide if I like the Horrors or not.
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Post by: Just Dave
Personally I still can't get over how bad so much of that Daemon Prince looks.
I agree with Aduro though, I'm undecided on the horrors, they seem good, but not 'kerazy' enough IMHO...
May have found me a Daemon Prince replacement however:
http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.php?act=pro&pre=prp_hrd_loe_wlk_211_000#
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Post by: Samus_aran115
I'm sorry to say, but that doesn't really look like it fits in a 40k army. It's too bulky and fleshy. It's not a bad model, but it just doesn't seem like it would look right..
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Post by: Just Dave
Samus_aran115 wrote:
I'm sorry to say, but that doesn't really look like it fits in a 40k army. It's too bulky and fleshy. It's not a bad model, but it just doesn't seem like it would look right..
I don't know, I think it COULD, Slaanesh particularly. Maybe chuck some armour parts on it?
I think those seekers look really good however, particularly for their price.
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Post by: Samus_aran115
Just Dave wrote:Samus_aran115 wrote:
I'm sorry to say, but that doesn't really look like it fits in a 40k army. It's too bulky and fleshy. It's not a bad model, but it just doesn't seem like it would look right..
I don't know, I think it COULD, Slaanesh particularly. Maybe chuck some armour parts on it?
I think those seekers look really good however, particularly for their price.
Maybe at a different posture, like standing up.
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Post by: Skarboy
The Pink Horrors are BEGGING to be redone as California Raisins.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
I'm looking at the Daemons stuff, and wonder:
Daemon Prince
- do the Daemon Prince and Soulgrinder have interchangeable torso, arm, and heads?
- are the CCW arms at least posed differently?
- how come the Daemon Prince doesn't have a left CCW arm?
- with the amount of space on the sprue, would it have killed GW to add a couple extra legs for those who'll field *multiple* Daemon Princes?
Pink Horrors
- is it just me, or are these overly spazzy?
- how come they all have 5 limbs?
- do NOT like the beaks - style-wise the metal Horrors are *far*better.
Seekers
- ugly.
- should have used the space to give a proper 6 models
Overall, I'm not hugely impressed by the plastics here.
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Post by: solkan
If there were actual prices listed on the US store (Yes, I know they're listed in the U.K. store. But I'm waiting for them to finish the job...), I'd place my order a Daemon Prince, the Changeling, a box of Horrors and two boxes of Seekers. Obligatory snarky modeling comments:
Daemon Prince
Someone gave me two plastic Spawn. That means that'll be able to make an extra Daemon Prince, and can try for a He-Man themed conversion. 
Pink Horrors
One of the first conversions that I did as a kid involved using a lighter to melt a plastic figure's arms. I'm looking at the plastic horrors and thinking that some of the figures could definitely benefit from some extra melting.
Seekers
I'm planning on selling off some of my metal seekers to finance buying the plastic ones. So that'll be more Seekers for everyone, right?
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Post by: Samus_aran115
JohnHwangDD wrote:I'm looking at the Daemons stuff, and wonder:
Daemon Prince
- do the Daemon Prince and Soulgrinder have interchangeable torso, arm, and heads?
- are the CCW arms at least posed differently?
- how come the Daemon Prince doesn't have a left CCW arm?
- with the amount of space on the sprue, would it have killed GW to add a couple extra legs for those who'll field *multiple* Daemon Princes?
Pink Horrors
- is it just me, or are these overly spazzy?
- how come they all have 5 limbs?
- do NOT like the beaks - style-wise the metal Horrors are *far*better.
Seekers
- ugly.
- should have used the space to give a proper 6 models
Overall, I'm not hugely impressed by the plastics here.
No
Yes
They do, they're just hands though
I wish. I hate those "Horsy" legs, where the knees fold backwards.Bleck
I'd assume that's what makes the horrible
Dunno, should've made them all have 9 limbs
Me neither, but it shows that they're tzeetch minions, which makes sense
I agree.
Sure. An extra body would be nice
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Post by: Munch Munch!
Aduro wrote:I can't decide if I like the Horrors or not.
QFT. The changeling is nice though.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Those Seeker sprues sure are sparse.
The Horrors I'm... not sure on yet.
Prince is ace, 'cept for the two WFB heads that are complete gak.
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Post by: Kirasu
Not like anyone uses WFB demon princes anyway so the bad heads arent a big deal
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Post by: Teek
That DP trophy rack is the poster child for brass rod replacement. Those bits are so spindly, one trip to a con or a tourney will leave them a bundle of sticks at the bottom of your case.
I see lots of brass rod and paperclips in their future...
Otherwise, the bit looks great!
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Post by: Samus_aran115
Teek wrote:That DP trophy rack is the poster child for brass rod replacement. Those bits are so spindly, one trip to a con or a tourney will leave them a bundle of sticks at the bottom of your case.
I see lots of brass rod and paperclips in their future...
Otherwise, the bit looks great!
Paperclips indeed! That's a good idea, since I can just heat up the paper clip and stab through the bits I want on it. It's like a bits-shish-kabob!
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Post by: TempusCorvus
After taking another look at the DP's sprue pics, I noticed something. While they do have the fantasy and 40k torsos, all the arms are clearly designed with 40k in mind. cables, tubes, battery pack or something on the sword...That's kinda irritating to be honest.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Pricing just appeared on GW US web store as follows:
Daemon Prince $33.00
Seekers $24.75
Horrors $24.75
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Post by: Rbb
Plastic dp is $2 cheaper than the metal one. You win GW. I will buy your new daemon prince.
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Post by: Samus_aran115
TempusCorvus wrote:After taking another look at the DP's sprue pics, I noticed something. While they do have the fantasy and 40k torsos, all the arms are clearly designed with 40k in mind. cables, tubes, battery pack or something on the sword...That's kinda irritating to be honest.
Look closer. There's one that should look good for WHFB 
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Post by: Teek
Upon closer inspection, I think the horrors are still salvageable. They need some serious tongue pruning. The fact is, seemingly every body on the sprue is vomiting forth a tongue the size of a brisket. Looking at them again and mentally clipping those tongues off 80%-90% of the unit manages to improve the aesthetic.
Interesting, indeed...
Also, the price point isn't half bad for a box of ten, I'm almost impressed.
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Post by: Ktulhut
Horrors:
Oh man. Oh man. As a Tzeentch player, I was super excited about fateweaver and especially the changeling, but... The **** were they thinking with these? Jewellery? Feathers and beaks?
Not to mention the fact that they ALL seem to be pulling the horns. It looks like they got summoned to a metallica concert or something. :/
Dissapointed. Will be filling out my troops with metal Horrors before these hit the shelves.
Plus, they got the same sculptor who did the astoundingly cartoony Possessed Marines. Chaos is meant to be SCARY, not like seasame st mixed with dodgy hallucinogens.
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Post by: sharkticon
What? No bloodcrushers? I guess that means I won't be doing that space wolves army.
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Post by: Samus_aran115
..They're coming out a couple weeks afterwards
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Post by: sharkticon
Oh, ok then. When I didn't see them on advance order with the rest of the demons, I thought they had been shelved. Crazy GW and their need to "surprise" us.
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Post by: Munch Munch!
The most irratating thing about the horrors is the design. It was so easy not to screw these up. And what's up with the super muscular arms? They should be skinny and spindly. But, instead they're ripped! They look like a mix between khorne and bubblegum. plus I hate the massive eyes. They do look cartoony.
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Post by: Starfarer
Rbb wrote:Plastic dp is $2 cheaper than the metal one. You win GW. I will buy your new daemon prince.
I'm a bit surprised at the price for this one. I was expecting around $40 for the box. As much as I said previously that I wasn't a huge fan of the DP earlier in this thread, the khorne one on the GW site does go to show even a little conversion work can really improve the look of the model. I'm still not sure it's enough to get me back into the hobby and buy a new army, but I may just pick one of these up for a fun modelling project. The Daemon Prince has always been one of my favorite characters in 40k, and after browsing through Liber Chaotica I've got some crazy conversion ideas brewing. Damn you, GW.
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Post by: Ktulhut
Munch Munch! wrote:They look like a mix between khorne and bubblegum.
QFT.
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Post by: Nofasse 'Eadhunta
Got an email from GW. You can now advance order some of the new stuff!
The email told me to 'lick on the images for more info'. No joke.
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Post by: Gathering Storm
After seeing the new plastic Daemon Prince I'm glad I asked my friendly GW staff to keep a metal model for me so that I can get it when when I get some more money. Interesting that the Plastic DP is $2 less than the metal one on the US site but is £2 more than the metal DP on the UK site.
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Post by: MajorTom11
I don't mind most aspects of the Daemon prince, the only thing I find really dissapointing is the lack of leg options, I'm not digging the double jointed only thing...
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Post by: Ouze
I'm not a chaos player, but I think I'll buy the Daemon prince. I like the model quite a bit.
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Post by: bhsman
Munch Munch! wrote:The most irratating thing about the horrors is the design. It was so easy not to screw these up. And what's up with the super muscular arms? They should be skinny and spindly. But, instead they're ripped! They look like a mix between khorne and bubblegum. plus I hate the massive eyes. They do look cartoony.
Almost as though they were the servants of a god of change or something.
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Post by: Ktulhut
Servant of the god of change:
GTFO with the fail:
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I must be rare in the fact that I really like all the new Daemon releases (except for the Seekers - but that's a given - all the NuDaemonettes are gak). The biggest disappointment for me is actually the fact that aside from the big 40K arms, the Daemon Prince has exactly one left arm, and it has no weapon. You think they could have made one of the weapon arms for the left arm. TempusCorvus wrote:After taking another look at the DP's sprue pics, I noticed something. While they do have the fantasy and 40k torsos, all the arms are clearly designed with 40k in mind. cables, tubes, battery pack or something on the sword...That's kinda irritating to be honest.
The big armour-clad arms have the cables, in a style that mimics the current metal 40K one. The other arms do not have cables, and are not specifically 40K like the other ones.
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Post by: tokugawa
GW did not put the plastic bloodcrusher on their website yet...
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Post by: Munch Munch!
I took a closer look at the horror models and I noticed something weird. All of them have bling, and are flailing their arms and tongues, as if they should be attending a rock'n'roll concert. Photo evidence below. Especially the horror on the right.(the first pic) Looks lie he's sayin' "rock on y'all!1!11!!!"
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Post by: wuestenfux
DPs and Seekers:
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Post by: Ktulhut
Munch Munch! wrote:I took a closer look at the horror models and I noticed something weird. All of them have bling, and are flailing their arms and tongues, as if they should be attending a rock'n'roll concert. Photo evidence below. Especially the horror on the right.(the first pic) Looks lie he's sayin' "rock on y'all!1!11!!!"
My sentiments entirely. They look like they're screaming "METALLICA!!!!!!!"
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Post by: The_Hunter
I realy like the new deamon prince kit altho i can agree the legs would have looked better if there were closer to that of the orginal deamon prince.
But that aside we now have some nice bits to put wings on rather than having to buy those seperately using something from a different kit.
Even tho i allready have the metalic prince I'll defently pick up box or 2 of those to make different style deamon princes for different chaos gods
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Post by: IronfrontAlex
anyone have any ideas if it would be easy to convert the legs to look as though they are running? any ideas? the DP kit is decent but excellent for its price, if i can get it to have an action pose it'll make the model excellent! p.s where is the crusher set and its price? anyone with a decent ammount of bits will totally be able to make quite a few converions with the new DP, maybe even 2!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Munch Munch! wrote:... flailing their arms and tongues, as if they should be attending a rock'n'roll concert.
If you were a Horror, wouldn't you?
We need a headbanging emORKticon...
BYE
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Post by: Scottywan82
H.B.M.C. wrote:Those Seeker sprues sure are sparse.
The Horrors I'm... not sure on yet.
Prince is ace, 'cept for the two WFB heads that are complete gak.
I actually love the way someone converted the WFB head with Bloodletter horns though. Looked really good!
WAIT! Spoke too soon, it's the 40K head, lmao!
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Post by: ceorron
I don't even play deamons and I want that DP model. Sigh. Think i'm starting a deamons army.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
... the legs would have looked better if there were closer to that of the orginal deamon prince
The legs on the new plastic Daemon Prince model are similar to the look of the original Daemon Prince. The Daemon Prince model that is currently for sale is NOT the original Daemon Prince model produced by GW. The older, "original" Daemon Prince model had legs similar to the new plastic one.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Yeah, and no one likes the original DP models. They were junk.
And besides, we know he's talking about the current 40K Daemon Prince, so nitpicking his choice of words hardly helps anything.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
no one likes the original DP models
I'm not sure one person's opinion qualifies to say that "no one" liked it. we know he's talking about the current 40K Daemon Prince
As many users point out here all the time, they are new to Warhammer and Games Workshop and they would have no familiarity with the history of the model range going back that far. Just because the long-time GW customers know that doesn't mean that everyone does. My post was informative without being provocative. so nitpicking his choice of words
Irony here. Since I joined Dakkadakka a year ago I see certain users complain about and nitpick virtually everything, something I'm hardly known for given my low post count and generally positive or neutral posts. If I have something negative I generally keep it to myself. Personally, I've liked all the Daemon Prince models they've done over the years. I still use the wings from the oldest version for conversions occasionally. The Azazel version of the old Daemon Prince is still hot at flea markets when people are lucky enough to find one. The new plastic kit is versatile and can look dedicated to 40K if desired or not out of place in either game without the 40K specific looking parts. At $33, a surprise as I was expecting it to be more than the current metal kit, I think it's a winner.
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Post by: LunaHound
I liked the original 40k DP's amount of detail , in that sense it looks like a real Chaos DP of 40k.
but it had a really bad pose , and having multiple of it looks just plain silly in the same army.
New one... less detail , looks less sci fi , the pose is still bland , but atleast its generic enough to not look bad if field more than one.
New Horrors , the way i see it , i guess "it cant be helped"
The previous metal ones were truly work of art , the sculptor captured them in mid morphing , duplicating perfectly. Very deserving of both the name
"Chaos" and "Horror"
However , turning them into plastic... i guess it cannot be helped... i guess in the transition of materials used they had to go a with a simple design.
( actually no , im not going to sugar coat this -_- , we can all see the lvl of detail plastic can do , look at Space Hulk )
I will however give them a chance , and will purchase them as Vampire Count Ghouls if i ever decide to finish that army.
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Post by: Ktulhut
Another good looking shot of the new DP: 
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Ktulhut wrote:Another good looking shot of the new DP:
Too bad it looks like that's the only good combination of bitz...
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Post by: Daemon-Archon Ren
Am I the only one to notice the DP's base has Doubled in size (40mm base, or "Termie Base" to 80mm Base, or "Dred Base")?
It may be on one of the other 20 some pages, but I am surprised its not getting more talk, as it effects the DPs Melee ability (as far as "Defenders react" is concerned and will be more frustrating to some people then the whole "I'm using old Termies/Oblits, I can use 20mm bases rite guiz?" fiasco...
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Post by: MasterSlowPoke
It's a 60mm base, and the metal Nurgle DP has had one for as long as he's been out.
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Post by: Soup and a roll
Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:"I'm using old Termies/Oblits, I can use 20mm bases rite guiz?" fiasco...
Doesn't GW force them to do this with their ridiculous rules? (I'll go search this- Not trying to start an argument  )
Is anyone disappointed by how static the new DP is? It took a lot of blood (literally- stupid spikes!) sweat and tears to chop and bend my Khorne DP to look like it was moving forward. I know GW would never release two sets of legs for a model like this (to force people buy separate kits) but the "I'm going to stand here going 'Mwahahahaha!' rather than coming to get you" pose is a bit too subtle.
Also, I'd like to share my annoyance at the lack of duel close combat weapon options. It was similar for the (otherwise excellent) Termilord kit. You want a gun? Have a gun! You want a CC weapon? Have one! You want two cc weapons that aren't lightning claws?! Sorry!
All that said, however, lots of potential with this kit. You could combine it something like Belakor if you want it a wee bit more sinister.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:Am I the only one to notice the DP's base has Doubled in size (40mm base, or "Termie Base" to 80mm Base, or "Dred Base")?
"I'm using old Termies/Oblits, I can use 20mm bases rite guiz?" fiasco...
Is the Dread base really "only" 80mm? It seems bigger...
Dunno about old Oblits, but old Termies were on 25mm bases, not 20mm squares.
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Post by: MasterSlowPoke
No. The Dreadnought base is 60mm.
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Post by: skrulnik
The Dreadnought base is 60mm. Not 80mm.
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Post by: Daemon-Archon Ren
MasterSlowPoke wrote:It's a 60mm base, and the metal Nurgle DP has had one for as long as he's been out.
either way, its a size increase, which is the main point.
However, if you are saying that "Because the Metal Nurgle DP has a 60mm base, people should have either all been using Nurgle DPs (even if they weren't using Marks of Nurgle) or they should have just used 60mm bases regardless of the base rule in the 40k rule book" then thats another topic entierly...
Old Oblits use the standard cut bases as most other metal models. Its actually quite funny how many times my "old" oblits have dodged a deep strike Mishap solely for the fact that they have are the smaller models.
As a joke, I sometimes take out my "Epic" Lord of Change and threaten to use it as a Summoned Greater Daemon (as no SPECIFIC model for this unit currently exists).
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Post by: Samus_aran115
I'm not really sure what you're talking about. A base size increase is BETTER for Assault. It lets you get into assault faster on some occasions, and gives the DP more targets.
There's basically no downside to having a 60mm base, especially for a creature like the daemon prince, which excels in assault. People have been asking for a 60mm base on the prince for a long time, and now they finally got it.
The old obliterators are a bad example. They didn't even appear to have terminator armor, which doesn't constitute a 40mm base ( IMO, those models were so ugly, I don't know why you'd even use them )
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Post by: Daemon-Archon Ren
Yeah, I agree the increase is a GOOD thing for CSM/CD players (like myself) which is why I was surprised that more people AREN'T complaining about it (or praising it, depending on your perspective).
As far as why I use the Old Oblits... I mean, I pretty much say why I use them in my post... incase you missed it:
Its actually quite funny how many times my "old" oblits have dodged a deep strike Mishap solely for the fact that they have are the smaller models.
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Post by: skrulnik
That was at the heart of the 'Ardboyz controversy last year, wasn't it? Besides the deployment issue.
Bloodcrushers with 40mm bases being easier to deep strike than those on a 60mm.
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Post by: Samus_aran115
Oh, okay. Sorry
Yeah, that's a good idea
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Post by: Jackal
Rather than throwing away my hard earned money, ill cash in my change jar lol, got £250 or so in there.
Waiting to see the crusher prices before i do anything though.
If they are £30 for 3, then ill be taking:
Daemon prince x3 - £60
Crusher box x6 - £180
Should give me a nice boost, may add in 2 more box's of crushers if needs be to max out.
Just forked out for GD tickets for me and my brother though, so wont be buying just yet. (going simply for the golden daemon, not the games)
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Post by: Samus_aran115
Hey jack, how'd you get those symbols in your name? 
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Post by: Munch Munch!
@Jack: 6 boxes? You're planning to add 18 bloodcrushers to your army? That's crazy, dude!
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Post by: Ktulhut
Crazy AWESOME!
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Post by: Lorne
Going to second that awesome. Must be for appoc, I see no other need for them.
Now if I can only figure out how to mesh the powerplant with the wings.
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Post by: Scottywan82
Wait, HOW big is the dread base? 80mm?
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Post by: Samus_aran115
60mm......
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Post by: skkipper
depending on the plastic crusher prices, I may have to go from 18 crushers to the max of 28 for a 40k army.
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Post by: Jackal
Samus: There arent any blocked characters on dakka, so typeface works fine.
Munch: 6 box's to start with, want to run 3 units of 8 to start with, and as i work more towards apoc ill focus on some insane sized units.
Nothing wrong with large elite units.
Ill throw some pics into the gallery later of my units of beasts of nurgle, got 3 maxed units of those so far (using the spawn models)
Will also be converting some fiends from seekers once i get the crushers painted and done with.
For the record: I will be running the crushers in 3x6 in basic games (dont want mishaps) the extra ones will be for show, or bigger games.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Scottywan82 wrote:Wait, HOW big is the dread base? 80mm?
By the pics, it looks like it's closer to 100mm..
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Post by: Samus_aran115
Oh, and thank you john, that's pretty neat
I might start using lots of umlauts now I've got some macros set up for them
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Post by: jaweyermuller
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Post by: Jackal
Thanks jaweye.
That pretty much summed the model up well.
Still going to order 3, but will be posing them myself with alot of cut joints and GS.
Been waiting for ages now for this "fabled" model to come out, so after that waiting i want something from it lol.
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Post by: Starfarer
۞ Jack ۞ wrote:
Still going to order 3, but will be posing them myself with alot of cut joints and GS.
Been waiting for ages now for this "fabled" model to come out, so after that waiting i want something from it lol.
Yeah that's pretty much how I feel. I've been waiting 2+ years for this kit, and even though I don't currently have an army I'm pretty much set to buy and convert one just because I've waited so long for it. Plus a dual chainaxe wielding Khornate DP just sounds like fun to me! I'm just contemplating whether or not to try sculpting more marine like legs or repose the ones in the set. That guide was pretty helpful in getting an idea of how the model is pieced together, but I can't wait to get my hands on it and start hacking it up!
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Post by: Samus_aran115
I'm going to get 1, maybe even two. Love the model. It seems way bigger than the metal one, honestly. I was glad there was dread comparison, that really put it into perspective for me.
Seriosly, I'm not a fan of the heads, but really, there are plenty of good heads in my bits box, so whatever. I love the extra bits in this set also. I'm considering a chaos dreadnought conversion using the left over arms and heads.
I've got a question though. Can you use the trophy racks with the wings? I want both, honestly. I like those trophy racks.
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Post by: sonofruss
No there is a choice wings rack or marine vent things you could modify them tho.
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Post by: Samus_aran115
I might just put some copper wire into his back, and stick skeletons and marine heads onto them
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Post by: Munch Munch!
Hey I just noticed something weird in the email that shows the new daemons. The email was entitled "New Horrors from The Realm of Chaos." Ironically, they didn't show the new horrors kit in the email.
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Post by: Lorne
Yeah when I was opening the email I was expecting to see horrors and there were none. Must not have warped in yet.
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Post by: jaweyermuller
Hey I just found pics of the new bloodcrushers on Capture and Control! Check it out!! Capture and Control: Preview: NEW PLASTIC BLOOCRUSHERS!!!
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