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However, I heard a rumor that they're fired the entire wrinting staff....not sure what to make of that.
yeah i think that's true, i read an article yesterday about it.
I looked it up. It was just a rumor. The truth is the actual filming of the show wrapped quite a long time ago so writers have just moved on cuz they need to eat. No firings per se.
Also apparently we won;t get anymore TWD for like 10 months! BOOO!!!
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Well then I afraid I must recommend TWD the comic then! Available in TPBs at all fine funny book establishments right now.
Ha, I just noticed your location is exactly were TWD is set! Watch out for the exploding CDC!
Yes,I'm right outside Atlanta...like 5 minutes away, which is also where the filming for TWD takes place (Atlanta and various rural areas in GA.),my Missus keeps telling me to try to get on as an extra,since she fully embraces my love of all things zombie...but given the fact that I'm built like an NFL linebacker,I don't believe I fit the shows "emaciated zombie" criteria.
Back OT I'd like to say TWD has the best Zombie makeup I've ever seen. That half-women in the first episode: that was sick. They need to work on their exploding zombie head effects though.
Back OT I'd like to say TWD has the best Zombie makeup I've ever seen. That half-women in the first episode: that was sick. They need to work on their exploding zombie head effects though.
Stands to reason that the make up in TWD is so good, Greg Nicotero is in charge of Make up and effects for TWD, and he got his start under Tom Savini working on Romero's "Dead" films.
The doc whispered in his ear. I'm guessing he told Rick that the blood test came up with Rick's Wife being pregnant. Watch the fun filled antics ensue!!!
Ooooo, good call Fraz. I didn't even think about that. That'll really make next season interesting.
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I was wondering when they were gonna bring back the grenade that Rick found in the first episode. It sort of bothered me that he picked it up and then it wasn't mentioned again. I thought it was an item that was gonna be forgotten about.
I think he told Rick what Bill Murray said at the end of Lost In Translation. No reason to go through the zombie apocalypse with that hanging over your head.
The doc whispered in his ear. I'm guessing he told Rick that the blood test came up with Rick's Wife being pregnant. Watch the fun filled antics ensue!!!
Frazz...I believe you just hit the nail squarely on the head.
The doc whispered in his ear. I'm guessing he told Rick that the blood test came up with Rick's Wife being pregnant. Watch the fun filled antics ensue!!!
Frazz...I believe you just hit the nail squarely on the head.
Ive been wondering since I saw that, and I agree, I think you guessed it. Its perfect drama for next season anyways. I also think Shane will go strait bananas and he will probably get some people killed. The guy is just losing it.
Thats ashame he's losing it. I personally think it'd be better if he wasn't. That way any confrontation would be more difficult for the audience. Its easy to hate the raving loon. Its more difficult to hate the other hero who is equally valid and, frankly has better freaking ideas than the main hero.
There has also been speculation that the main character did actually die on the hospital bed but that for some reason his brain did a total reboot instead of just the brain stem.
Ahtman wrote:Here are the things left unsaid/undone:
There has also been speculation that the main character did actually die on the hospital bed but that for some reason his brain did a total reboot instead of just the brain stem.
No, its just Shane's not a doctor and he was in a hurry. Rick is normal.
Ahtman wrote:Here are the things left unsaid/undone:
There has also been speculation that the main character did actually die on the hospital bed but that for some reason his brain did a total reboot instead of just the brain stem.
No, its just Shane's not a doctor and he was in a hurry. Rick is normal.
Proof or just a feeling? Remember, this isn't the comic so whatever happened in the comic may not happen here.
Ahtman wrote:Here are the things left unsaid/undone:
There has also been speculation that the main character did actually die on the hospital bed but that for some reason his brain did a total reboot instead of just the brain stem.
No, its just Shane's not a doctor and he was in a hurry. Rick is normal.
Proof or just a feeling? Remember, this isn't the comic so whatever happened in the comic may not happen here.
that may be true, but if Rick has Super-Undead-Powers then I'm going to stop watching.
I wouldn't say he has super powers but either he has an immunity of sorts, or a more powerful strain. Maybe that is what he told him: You are an infected but you didn't die.
Ahtman wrote:I wouldn't say he has super powers but either he has an immunity of sorts, or a more powerful strain. Maybe that is what he told him: You are an infected but you didn't die.
at your 4444th post's entry. should be more epic than this!
Ahtman wrote:I wouldn't say he has super powers but either he has an immunity of sorts, or a more powerful strain. Maybe that is what he told him: You are an infected but you didn't die.
at your 4444th post's entry. should be more epic than this!
Ahtman wrote:I wouldn't say he has super powers but either he has an immunity of sorts, or a more powerful strain. Maybe that is what he told him: You are an infected but you didn't die.
The show might be good and all, but come on.. this is hollywood we're talking about. They won't do something cool like Rick really being infected. They want drama thats the same as every other show, so rick's wife is preggo. I assumed that was gonna happen all along as soon as they showed Shane gettin busy with her.
Something cool like Rick being a super fething zombie? How in the name of Christ is that cool? You like Uwe Boll movies dont you?
I too would drop this show so friggin fast my TV would vomit if that happens. Its suppose to be a drama, not some stupid Saturday morning cartoon show. His wife is preggers with Shanes baby, Shane is getting loopy, and I agree that sucks, because the fall would be WAY better if he wasnt a crack pot loosing his grip. The lolli copter is going to shed more light in season 2 for sure. And you know Merle will be stalking the group as well. He is going to be the antagonist in season 2 as well. Also, I hope he hates his broskee as well. Thatll make it even better for the whole his brother has to choose sides, the group, to which you can tell he is growing into liking, or his brother, and you know they dont have the best of relationships
How come being infected but not dieing turned into super zombie with magic powers every time? No super powers were mentioned or brought up, just that he might have an immunity of sorts.
Ahtman wrote:How come being infected but not dieing turned into super zombie with magic powers every time? No super powers were mentioned or brought up, just that he might have an immunity of sorts.
I actually could see that,Rick having some sort of immunity to the virus could make for an interesting addition to the series storyline, considering his desire to "save" everyone,having some sort of resistance to the virus could lead him to attempt to discover a way to pass on his immunity....just a thought.
I've also been thinking about who some new characters in season two may be.
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I'm sure "the Governor" will appear,but I'm wondering if the producers of the show will attempt to merge the governor and Meryl's character together,
I'd also expect Tyrese (the football player from the comics) to be appearing ,as well as the chick with the swords...who's name I can't recall at the moment,also wondering if the survivors will end up taking refuge in the prison.
Ahtman wrote:How come being infected but not dieing turned into super zombie with magic powers every time? No super powers were mentioned or brought up, just that he might have an immunity of sorts.
I actually could see that,Rick having some sort of immunity to the virus could make for an interesting addition to the series storyline, considering his desire to "save" everyone,having some sort of resistance to the virus could lead him to attempt to discover a way to pass on his immunity....just a thought.
I've also been thinking about who some new characters in season two may be.
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I'm sure "the Governor" will appear,but I'm wondering if the producers of the show will attempt to merge the governor and Meryl's character together,
I'd also expect Tyrese (the football player from the comics) to be appearing ,as well as the chick with the swords...who's name I can't recall at the moment,also wondering if the survivors will end up taking refuge in the prison.
Michonne. She will definately be in the next season. So you have read the comic?
Ahtman wrote:How come being infected but not dieing turned into super zombie with magic powers every time? No super powers were mentioned or brought up, just that he might have an immunity of sorts.
I actually could see that,Rick having some sort of immunity to the virus could make for an interesting addition to the series storyline, considering his desire to "save" everyone,having some sort of resistance to the virus could lead him to attempt to discover a way to pass on his immunity....just a thought.
I've also been thinking about who some new characters in season two may be.
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I'm sure "the Governor" will appear,but I'm wondering if the producers of the show will attempt to merge the governor and Meryl's character together,
I'd also expect Tyrese (the football player from the comics) to be appearing ,as well as the chick with the swords...who's name I can't recall at the moment,also wondering if the survivors will end up taking refuge in the prison.
Michonne. She will definately be in the next season. So you have read the comic?
I've read some of them at a friends,but don't own any myself ( a situation I plan to rectify the next time I visit my local comics shop),I have a basic understanding of the story and characters (as it/they are presented in the comics) but certainly not a complete recollection of the material.
Incidentally,IIRC TWD comics are now available in "collectors volumes",collections of the comic gathered in various books,if that's the case.I definitely plan to pick them up.
yes, Trade paper backs is the best way to collect them now and they've gone into overdrive in producing them. They're actually as up to date as the monthly issues which is almost unheard of.
Anyway, The poducer of the show has said Michonne is one of his favorites and wants to get her in there as soon as possible so I wouldn't be surprised if she we actually to debut in the season 2 premiere.
Whatever the hell happened with the helicopter in like episode two, right before Rick crawled into the tank?
ANyway I liked the sixth episode..... Makes me wonder what the scientist said into Rick's ear. Like is the zombie disease airborne or something?
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Frazzled wrote:Guessing the future:
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The doc whispered in his ear. I'm guessing he told Rick that the blood test came up with Rick's Wife being pregnant. Watch the fun filled antics ensue!!!
Frazz...I believe you just hit the nail squarely on the head.
Oh come on.... It seemed more ominous than that when the scientist whispered in Rick's ear. The look on his face seemed like "oh frikking gak!".
(Put into spoilers by Weiner Legion's foul minion)
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Wow... Okay, why does everyone think the scientist whispered that Rick's wife was pregnant(What evidence is there to support this?) Why the hell would he tell him that, in a time like that? It's something bad I bet. Real bad.
I'm not arguing that she is pregnant, which she may be, but why the hell would the doctor tell Rick that in that situation?
GalacticDefender wrote:I'm not arguing that she is pregnant, which she may be, but why the hell would the doctor tell Rick that in that situation?
Becuase bringing a child into the world during a zombie apocolypse is a tough row to hoe. Think being a parent is difficult now? Wait till it starts screaming at night in the camp. Pregnancy in that situation isn't a happy surprise.
I would say the theme of that episode was "screw it we're all gonna die anyway as per mad scientitst guy". So when Rick choose life The scientist was like well I better let him know he's bring a baby into this mess.
If the CDC was going to self destruct, then why did the Doc ever consider shooting himself in the morning after the samples were destroyed if he was just going to get blown up anyway?
If the CDC was going to self destruct in 24 hours then why would he bother to do a blood test on everyone? How long would it take to run the blood tests anyway and what would he even be looking for since he said they didn't know what caused reanimation? And what in the blood test for "Walkers Disease"would have indicated Lori was pregnant (as some speculate)?
If the CDC was going to self destruct why even bother letting everyone in? And once in why not just tell everyone that the place is going to blow up so they can stay and die or resupply and leave? Was he that far depressed and resigned to death? (I guess so...)
In regards to arguing about source material. Remember Kirkman is writing some of the episodes, so just like Hitchhikers guide and it's parallel universes I consider the tv show just as much canon as the books just a different version of the canon.
It's it own thing for sure but with the Comic you've got one writer making a tightly controlled universe whereas the show has many writers with producers and directors also screwing with the consensus plot. It's just the nature of the business.
In other news rumors about the mass firings of the writing staff have resurfaced. It appears the reason I gave earlier about the writers needing to move on wasn't exactly true according to several of the writers themselves.
One or more of the writers has been hired to do another comic book TV show in the works that I can't seem to recall right now....Wonder Woman maybe?
If I may, some justifiable thread necromancy. Was planning on bringing it back when the show returned from its ridiculous 10-month off season but some news: http://tv.ign.com/articles/118/1187232p1.html The fact that there is so much behind the scenes drama from a show that has only aired 6 episodes is not a good sign for its longevity.
Also the fact he might have been fired for having too many zombies on his zombie show:
Necros wrote:Was the guy that was fired the main star?
I guess they could always CGI his face onto an extra like they did with Tony's Mom in the Sopranos... but I hope they don't...
Darabont wasn't one of the actors, he was one of the "show runners" ( producers) of the series...basicly he was a major player in getting the show on the air in the first place.
It is a bit of a let down that he was fired (particularly due to some of the reasons cited)...but I remain optimistic about the shows future.
Oh man, this makes things a bit shakey. Im sure season 2 will still be good, but I hope they can hold it together after that. And sadly, it sounds like the execs at AMC are a bunch of dicks, on other shows as well. WTH AMC? And cutting down on, on screen zombies? Really?!?! Did they forget its a fething show.....about FETHING ZOMBIES?!
When the network starts interfering with the creative direction of a show it always equals disaster. And what's with this budget cutting rumor? TWD was breaking viewship records iirc.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:When the network starts interfering with the creative direction of a show it always equals disaster. And what's with this budget cutting rumor? TWD was breaking viewship records iirc.
I've been digging around for more info...found this...
After reading this thread, I regard it as the resident evil series, excellent games, fething awful movies. I love the walking dead comics, and the series was ok, but, it seems that making live action isn't always a good idea.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:When the network starts interfering with the creative direction of a show it always equals disaster. And what's with this budget cutting rumor? TWD was breaking viewship records iirc.
I've been digging around for more info...found this...
Well there you go. I've never followed Madmen. I know a lot of people like it but damn you 60s advertising! You've ruined my Zombie Apocalypse!
Anyways, maybe something good will come out of this and Kirkman will get more input into the show.
Well that was some damn fine Zombie killing. Screwdriver in the eye! I still so impressed by the zombies themselves. They look as disgusting as ever. I've come to accept that this has diverged from the comic 100% now and enjoy it more because of that. Just like everyone else I have no idea what's going to happen next.
WARORK93 wrote:Having read the comics I cant say that the ending surprised me...but it was well done nevertheless...
Lots of drama, I guess that's to be expected in such a high stress situation...one thing though...
How the hell did they miss so many zombies coming up the highway?
More importantly, how'd all the zombies miss them? I thought you need to cover yourself in zombie guts so they couldn't smell you. Maybe there was so many dead people on the highway they made a really good stench to mask them?
WARORK93 wrote:Having read the comics I cant say that the ending surprised me...but it was well done nevertheless...
Lots of drama, I guess that's to be expected in such a high stress situation...one thing though...
How the hell did they miss so many zombies coming up the highway?
More importantly, how'd all the zombies miss them? I thought you need to cover yourself in zombie guts so they couldn't smell you. Maybe there was so many dead people on the highway they made a really good stench to mask them?
A decent question...they could have easily fixed that by having the zombies come from ahead of them instead of behind them to...
Anyone know if they'll make the episode available on the internet? We got rid of expanded cable a few months ago so I'm not sure how I'll get to see it.
Thought it was a good opener episode. I was thinking the same thing about zombies smelling clean people .. thought they talked about that in the first season?
who's the guy that got fired from the show? The main guy with the state trooper hat?
No, that was Frank Darabout (sp?) he was like the Boss of the show. Actually if you go back a few pages on this thread we cover it as much we can considering it's mostly rumors still at this point.
Necros wrote:Thought it was a good opener episode. I was thinking the same thing about zombies smelling clean people .. thought they talked about that in the first season?
who's the guy that got fired from the show? The main guy with the state trooper hat?
No, there were some writers fired, followed by showrunner Frank Darabont...none of the cast was fired afaik.
There was also some mention made to the zombie smelling humans question in the after show ( Talking Dead) last night...in that, while the zombies could be confused by a human smearing themselves with "zombie stench" and walking past them, the zombies themselves are not " Bloodhounds" who'd be able to sniff out hidden humans..plus we did see Daryl and T-Dog ( dumb name) hide under ( what is to be assumed ) stinking corpse when the zombies got near.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Honestly my biggest gripe with the show last night was that it felt padded, there was no reason for much of what was happening to really be happening...
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...By this I mean, there really didn't appear to me to be a reason why Rick left the little girl at the creek to begin with, he could have easily dispatched the two zombies that were following them with out running off, and then the two could have simply returned to the group.
It just seemed to me to be a bit of a contrived plot device to give the cast something to do ( in searching for the girl) rather than a legitiment piece of storytelling...but meh, the episode was still a fun watch.
Daryl's the most capable so far. He's got tracking skills, can skin and gut zombies, shoot a crossbow, got some hand-to-hand combat skills, etc. I'm sure his brother will reenter the show and some point. Hopefully, they won't lose him at that point.
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Necros wrote:
Automatically Appended Next Post: Honestly my biggest gripe with the show last night was that it felt padded, there was no reason for much of what was happening to really be happening...
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...By this I mean, there really didn't appear to me to be a reason why Rick left the little girl at the creek to begin with, he could have easily dispatched the two zombies that were following them with out running off, and then the two could have simply returned to the group.
It just seemed to me to be a bit of a contrived plot device to give the cast something to do ( in searching for the girl) rather than a legitiment piece of storytelling...but meh, the episode was still a fun watch.
Yes, I agree. I guess one way to explain it is I'm used to Rick being a proficient zombie killing expert because of the comic (don't know if you've read them) but at this point he's still a bit of zombie slaying rookie. Perhaps he's not that confident in his ability to dispatch them yet, especially since he didn't want to fire his gun and that's all he had.
I wish the majority of zombies looked as scary as the one's they feature in key scenes (The one that came into the RV, etc.).
Some of the zombie "extras" look like really bad attempts with discount halloween makeup...
As for the zombie horde: My guess was that the the harley had attracted the zombies (they might have been off the highway in the woods, etc.) who followed the noise tbh.
I think it might be a bad idea to have the guy scouting your route for you riding a motorcycle that can be heard for miles...
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Daryl's the most capable so far. He's got tracking skills, can skin and gut zombies, shoot a crossbow, got some hand-to-hand combat skills, etc. I'm sure his brother will reenter the show and some point. Hopefully, they won't lose him at that point.
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Necros wrote:
Automatically Appended Next Post: Honestly my biggest gripe with the show last night was that it felt padded, there was no reason for much of what was happening to really be happening...
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...By this I mean, there really didn't appear to me to be a reason why Rick left the little girl at the creek to begin with, he could have easily dispatched the two zombies that were following them with out running off, and then the two could have simply returned to the group.
It just seemed to me to be a bit of a contrived plot device to give the cast something to do ( in searching for the girl) rather than a legitiment piece of storytelling...but meh, the episode was still a fun watch.
Yes, I agree. I guess one way to explain it is I'm used to Rick being a proficient zombie killing expert because of the comic (don't know if you've read them) but at this point he's still a bit of zombie slaying rookie. Perhaps he's not that confident in his ability to dispatch them yet, especially since he didn't want to fire his gun and that's all he had.
That makes some sense, plus I considered that perhaps he opted to lead the zombies away for " safeties sake"...but it still felt...well...padded. Though...as I said, not a bad opener...I still enjoyed it, particularly some of the more subtle aspects ...the relation between Dale and Andrea...and the potential for her "joining" Shane, as well as the dynamics between Daryl and T-Dog (bleh)...it seems he may have either forgiven him for leaving his brother on the roof...or...well..who knows.
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CT GAMER wrote:I wish the majority of zombies looked as scary as the one's they feature in key scenes (The one that came into the RV, etc.).
Some of the zombie "extras" look like really bad attempts with discount halloween makeup...
As for the zombie horde: My guess was that the the harley had attracted the zombies (they might have been off the highway in the woods, etc.) who followed the noise tbh.
I think it might be a bad idea to have the guy scouting your route for you riding a motorcycle that can be heard for miles...
That's typical in pretty much any zombie film though, you have your " hero make ups" who are going to get a bit of up close screen time and your fillers who just make up the horde.
If the FX guys had to do hero make up for every zombie it would take forever to get a horde " set ready".
...And I'd suppose the zombies would hear any engine...so the Harley, even though it's a bit louder really wouldn't matter that much...other than perhap the fact that the sound might carry a bit further, but then it would probably be dificult for the zombies to get an " exact fix" on where the sound was coming from...maybe?
Ya, now that you mention a badass chopper is not the best scouting vehicle. No complaints about the zombies for me. I loved that zombie that got screwdrivered in the eye. No lips! That female one in the church too. Pretty distrubing. Could have done without all the praying. Supposed to be doing a search and rescue, not having an hour long church break. Don't really recall Rick ever being that religous in the comic either.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Ya, now that you mention a badass chopper is not the best scouting vehicle. No complaints about the zombies for me. I loved that zombie that got screwdrivered in the eye. No lips! That female one in the church too. Pretty distrubing. Could have done without all the praying. Supposed to be doing a search and rescue, not having an hour long church break. Don't really recall Rick ever being that religous in the comic either.
Again, that would be part of the padding I was talking about...though I did like the tie in between Rick asking god for a " sign" and the episodes ending...be careful what you ask for... ...And, it's pretty much established that the series and the comic are going to differ on a lot of things...even Kirkman stated that.
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KamikazeCanuck wrote:Ya, now that you mention a badass chopper is not the best scouting vehicle.
I can't hear the average car one block over from my house. I can hear the average chopper across town...
Granted.. , but could you tell exactly where that chopper was?...other than " somewhere that way"?
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Ya, now that you mention a badass chopper is not the best scouting vehicle. No complaints about the zombies for me. I loved that zombie that got screwdrivered in the eye. No lips! That female one in the church too. Pretty distrubing. Could have done without all the praying. Supposed to be doing a search and rescue, not having an hour long church break. Don't really recall Rick ever being that religous in the comic either.
Again, that would be part of the padding I was talking about...though I did like the tie in between Rick asking god for a " sign" and the episodes ending...be careful what you ask for... ...And, it's pretty much established that the series and the comic are going to differ on a lot of things...even Kirkman stated that.
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KamikazeCanuck wrote:Ya, now that you mention a badass chopper is not the best scouting vehicle.
I can't hear the average car one block over from my house. I can hear the average chopper across town...
Granted.. , but could you tell exactly where that chopper was?...other than " somewhere that way"?
Myself a single person in a fixed location? perhaps not.
This setting has large numbers of zombies roaming about 24 hours a day and are virtually everywhere.
It is very likely that no matter where he rides that thing that a sizable number of zombies will be close enough to notice and close in on it.
In fact if the proximity and numbers of zombies wasn't such a concern then why would the humans normally be tip-toeing around otherwise?
In a setting in which everyone constantly needs to be sneaky and stealthy (at least as has been presented thus far) and we are led to believe that hordes of zombies may be lurking around every corner the choice of a Harley as a scout vehicle seems a rather silly/obvious oversight...
@ CT... Agreed, I think it's clearly to show that Daryl is a " bad ass" for the most part.
Though, in most cases when the humans are tippy toeing about they're on foot...and not mobile...perhaps the thought with him on the bike is " screw it...even if they hear us we'll be long gone by the time they get to us.."
Dale is too soft, plus, he let those teleporting Zs get right on top of them.
Shane would be okay, I guess, but I'd prefer to not be worrying about whether or not the guy I'm on patrol with is going to shoot me and dump the body for the walkers.
Nerivant wrote:Dale is too soft, plus, he let those teleporting Zs get right on top of them.
Shane would be okay, I guess, but I'd prefer to not be worrying about whether or not the guy I'm on patrol with is going to shoot me and dump the body for the walkers.
Which is why I said if they got over their " women issues".. ...Dale seems soft because he's too concerned with Andrea ...and Shane is " wacky" due to the whole Lori BS...
But, Bar That..I think Dale would be an asset , he bright, and improvising...knows vehicles..seems like a handy sort to have around.
And Shane, being a cop, will have a fair knowledge of how to handle himself tactically and already know how to handle weapons/ fire fights/etc...
Ya, mechanical knowledge is always good to have. No one thinks having Rick around is a plus? He killed a zombie with a rock....it only cost him a little girl in the process...
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Ya, mechanical knowledge is always good to have. No one thinks having Rick around is a plus? He killed a zombie with a rock....it only cost him a little girl in the process...
Rick isn't a bad guy...but his constant moral dilemmas do tend to create problems for the group as a whole, every time his conscience starts up the whole party ends up at risk.
Kirkman explained a couple of things going on in the show on Talking Dead, then the other guys brought up some good points about the show. Interesting stuff.
As far as the motorcycle. I think the idea is that they can outrun zombies in vehicles, so no worry. It also doesn't seem like an exceptionally loud motorcycle, just from what I heard on the show. Not one I could hear across town. Still a motorcycle, not bad on gas and he can get places they cant. Still an asset to scouting.
I personally thought the episode was great, not very many gripes. Daryl is still the best character and I agree with him being the one that I would like to have by my side in the thick of a zombie outbreak. He is ready to do whatever it takes, but he seems to be growing a heart. Saving others and being willing to track down the little girl, when he should be more worried about getting the group moving.
I think really some kind of trail bike would be 100 times better! You could go offroad easily, make less noise, and also not have to do a 15 point turn in the road considering something like that chopper's turning circle. But, Dale is the combination of bad-ass and scumbag (or though definitely redeemed in that episode, saving the crappily named T-Dog) that means he doesn't give a damn
I do love some of the characters in this show, there was a little bit too much soul-searching in it, but I'm starting to really feel some attachment to them. It will make it all the more powerful when some of them inevitably become zombie chow!
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Next week looks like they find some kind of isolated family in a big house. Also, some military stuff flying overhead! Who else is hoping for some nutty cigar-chewing general with a power trip, who looks like he might be their saviour but in fact is the most dangerous thing they have met so far? In the long run, does anyone think they will actually end up going to France (where the doctor who blew himself up at the end of the last series said the scientists may have been on to something?) I admit pretty unlikely..
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Well some of us know but we won't spoil it for you.
How can you know?
Well the series is somewhat following the story line of the comic. For instance I bet I can tell you the names of the characters in the isolated house and I could probably place some bets about a future relationship between one of them and another character.
The series has deviated somewhat from the comics but so far it has been reasonable. For example, the CDC was new but Kirkman has stated that he would have had that scene in the comic if he would have realized that the CDC was in Atlanta. France could be a possibility if the series decided to completely bail on the comic story line. Of course I don't mind a scenery change, as long as the stick to the themes of the comic. Carl and Rick evolve in a certain way. Andrea should become a badass character overtime. Certain people should die.
If however certain things occur like Shane and Andrea departing the main group, I feel a lot of the evolution of the characters will not occur. Certain events shape the characters into what they will become. Deviating too much from this will change them to the point that they will be unrecognizable as the characters they should be. Check out the canceled TV series The Legend of the Seeker for a prime example of deviating too much.
Now as for the season opener, I have to say I was a little disappointed. I didn't like the Teleporting zombies. That could have been easily fixed by having a large group wander out of a nearby forest. Dale was up on the roof watching and ten seconds later there was hundreds of zombies way too close to have not been seen earlier.
I didn't care for all the long winded speeches. Rick is known for them, but he shouldn't be making several of them in one episode especially when another character has one in the same episode.
I thought it was a a pretty good opener myself. I do agree with FITZZ that parts did seem a bit random. The old guy taking the chicks handgun was annoying to me, and not only seemed like an unnecessary argument, but didnt really make any sense to me as far as driving the story either.
The wife and I also thought the motorcycle was a little loud for "scouting" as well. Sure in most cases youd be gone before zombies show up, but what if it breaks down? What if you stop like in the show, what about the human element? They arnt the only ones alive, and Im pretty sure there are groups of humans out there that arnt willing to help out, and are more willing to just kill and take. And that bike is a pretty good giveaway. And sure you could argue that you wont here exactly where a bike is at, but you can definitely get a decent enough general idea, I can do that rather easily. If a group of "bad guys" hears that bike, and are familiar with the area around them (which you should be in a survival situation) they can easily get a just location and go out after them.
But like anything you can pick it completely apart if you wanted to. It was a good start, and Im glad to have it back! Nice replacement for BreakingBad
fire4effekt wrote:Oh season 2 started? I forgot to care...
Well isn't that interesting...apparently you didn't " forget" to convince yourself that anyone in a thread discussing this series would be particularly interested in your oh so clever quip..
I got no problem with the so-called "teleporting" Zombies. That's the way Zombie stories work. Sometimes they seem to come out of no where but its just that you didn't hear them or see them that time. It happens at least 25 times in the comic and it'll happen a bunch more in this show. That's how people get eaten in zombie apocalypses! The aforementioned on-ramp plus motorcycle/zombie-attraction-device seems like a perfectly reasonable explanation to me.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:I got no problem with the so-called "teleporting" Zombies. That's the way Zombie stories work. Sometimes they seem to come out of no where but its just that you didn't hear them or see them that time. It happens at least 25 times in the comic and it'll happen a bunch more in this show. That's how people get eaten in zombie apocalypses! The aforementioned on-ramp plus motorcycle/zombie-attraction-device seems like a perfectly reasonable explanation to me.
As far as " teleporting zombies"...I really just chalk it up to the fact that there's more going on than what we " see" on the screen...Dales distracted with his concerns about Andrea and the needed repairs, he lets his guard down for a moment and ...here come the zombies...who very well could have come from the woods or the off ramp ...clearly...since there was a church around...it would indicate that there would be some " nearby population"...I would assume these particular zombies didn't come from very far away.
I think i is a pretty safe assumption that they came up out of the woods attracted by the noise (its the chopper I tell you) since we have churches and camp sites and so forth shown right off the route and they showed zombies in that same proximity to the highway via the search for the girl and the fight with them.
I think they should build a "crows nest" or a railing around the top of the RV and have a constant lookout on duty in rotating shifts, but hey, what do I know...
KamikazeCanuck wrote:I got no problem with the so-called "teleporting" Zombies. That's the way Zombie stories work. Sometimes they seem to come out of no where but its just that you didn't hear them or see them that time. It happens at least 25 times in the comic and it'll happen a bunch more in this show. That's how people get eaten in zombie apocalypses! The aforementioned on-ramp plus motorcycle/zombie-attraction-device seems like a perfectly reasonable explanation to me.
As far as " teleporting zombies"...I really just chalk it up to the fact that there's more going on than what we " see" on the screen...Dales distracted with his concerns about Andrea and the needed repairs, he lets his guard down for a moment and ...here come the zombies...who very well could have come from the woods or the off ramp ...clearly...since there was a church around...it would indicate that there would be some " nearby population"...I would assume these particular zombies didn't come from very far away.
Oh I am completely for that explanation, even with what FITZZ said as well. What I am referring to is Dale looking back and forth between his binoculars and one maybe two zombies. Then he sees like 10. When the screen pans back you see hundreds maybe a hundred feet away. He was looking long before that and should have seen them a lot sooner.
The shots below are literally like 7-10 seconds after Dale saw the first few. He had been looking plenty of times before this and should have seen all the zombies shambling up the road probably like 10 minutes before. Now if they all popped out of that trailer from the overturned 18 wheeler then I could probably believe what happened.
Maybe the bulk of them come from the forest lines. Youd figure with all those cars and dead bodies there, some of them would of became zombies. Maybe they were just barely in the tree line when they heard all the commotion. I dunno, just trying to defend it
KingCracker wrote:Maybe the bulk of them come from the forest lines. Youd figure with all those cars and dead bodies there, some of them would of became zombies. Maybe they were just barely in the tree line when they heard all the commotion. I dunno, just trying to defend it
Believe me I want to defend the show. I love the comics and the show is pretty damn awesome. The only thing better on TV is Dexter and A Game of Thrones.
As for the forest lines, that does seem plausible. I could picture a hundred of them shambling through the forest and the climbing up that slight slope that the girl slid down later on. Like they said, there is another road off past the forest. They could have easily came from there. Plus the tall grass would have concealed a lot of them if they were there.
Well if you recall they did spot one, then two, then three. I think it was just a case of those first few lulling them into a sense of security. Like, 'Oh, one Zombie, I got this. Oh, two. No problem. Three? Hmmm. Oh, there's a hundred. Ah, feth."
Thats kind of what I was thinking as well. Infact when Rick drew on that one I was thinking "man dont do that, any zombie near there will be hauling ass to your location" and then he saw the other, then another, then 5
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Well if you recall they did spot one, then two, then three. I think it was just a case of those first few lulling them into a sense of security. Like, 'Oh, one Zombie, I got this. Oh, two. No problem. Three? Hmmm. Oh, there's a hundred. Ah, feth."
I just can't help but look at that shot and think how in the hell someone with binoculars could miss a herd of zombies until they were right up on them. The scene isn't really set up to hide all of that. Dale goes to almost crapping his pants in like 7 seconds and the first wave of the herd is less than 20 feet away. If he would have been scanning the other direction or something then I would have been okay with it.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Well if you recall they did spot one, then two, then three. I think it was just a case of those first few lulling them into a sense of security. Like, 'Oh, one Zombie, I got this. Oh, two. No problem. Three? Hmmm. Oh, there's a hundred. Ah, feth."
I just can't help but look at that shot and think how in the hell someone with binoculars could miss a herd of zombies until they were right up on them. The scene isn't really set up to hide all of that. Dale goes to almost crapping his pants in like 7 seconds and the first wave of the herd is less than 20 feet away. If he would have been scanning the other direction or something then I would have been okay with it.
...I'm still going to say that the zombies managed to get that close because Dale was preoccupied with thoughts of Andrea and not staying focused on his job. I'm sure all of us have, at some point, had our minds just " wander" to the point that we weren't aware/paying attention to anything that was going on around us...even when we should have been.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Well if you recall they did spot one, then two, then three. I think it was just a case of those first few lulling them into a sense of security. Like, 'Oh, one Zombie, I got this. Oh, two. No problem. Three? Hmmm. Oh, there's a hundred. Ah, feth."
I just can't help but look at that shot and think how in the hell someone with binoculars could miss a herd of zombies until they were right up on them. The scene isn't really set up to hide all of that. Dale goes to almost crapping his pants in like 7 seconds and the first wave of the herd is less than 20 feet away. If he would have been scanning the other direction or something then I would have been okay with it.
...I'm still going to say that the zombies managed to get that close because Dale was preoccupied with thoughts of Andrea and not staying focused on his job. I'm sure all of us have, at some point, had our minds just " wander" to the point that we weren't aware/paying attention to anything that was going on around us...even when we should have been.
It makes sense, but not with hundreds of zombies shambling up the highway. I could believe it if it was like 50 or less maybe. These people are supposed to be more alert than any of us. Letting a herd wander up the highway and not notice it till it is like 20 feet away just doesn't make sense. Dale would have to have been deliberately not paying attention and using his binoculars to stare at Andrea's cleavage to let a herd that size get that close.
You obviously dont have children. I can tell you, that even as obvious as children can be, they will still show up right in front of you, with a dumb smile on their faces, and holding the sharpest chefs knife in the drawer. It happens, if your not "looking" sometimes its pretty damn hard to see
KingCracker wrote:You obviously dont have children. I can tell you, that even as obvious as children can be, they will still show up right in front of you, with a dumb smile on their faces, and holding the sharpest chefs knife in the drawer. It happens, if your not "looking" sometimes its pretty damn hard to see
Yeah but that is reinforcing what I am saying even more. I am OK with some teleporting zombies. It is part of how it works in horror. But hundreds? Your analogy works for a few zombies, but I can guarantee if you had 300 children show up in front of you with that dumb smile you would have seen them up to something long before that.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Well some of us know but we won't spoil it for you.
How can you know?
Well the series is somewhat following the story line of the comic. For instance I bet I can tell you the names of the characters in the isolated house and I could probably place some bets about a future relationship between one of them and another character.
The series has deviated somewhat from the comics but so far it has been reasonable. For example, the CDC was new but Kirkman has stated that he would have had that scene in the comic if he would have realized that the CDC was in Atlanta. France could be a possibility if the series decided to completely bail on the comic story line. Of course I don't mind a scenery change, as long as the stick to the themes of the comic. Carl and Rick evolve in a certain way. Andrea should become a badass character overtime. Certain people should die.
If however certain things occur like Shane and Andrea departing the main group, I feel a lot of the evolution of the characters will not occur. Certain events shape the characters into what they will become. Deviating too much from this will change them to the point that they will be unrecognizable as the characters they should be. Check out the canceled TV series The Legend of the Seeker for a prime example of deviating too much.
Now as for the season opener, I have to say I was a little disappointed. I didn't like the Teleporting zombies. That could have been easily fixed by having a large group wander out of a nearby forest. Dale was up on the roof watching and ten seconds later there was hundreds of zombies way too close to have not been seen earlier.
I didn't care for all the long winded speeches. Rick is known for them, but he shouldn't be making several of them in one episode especially when another character has one in the same episode.
Heh, forgot I posted in this thread. Anyways.....
Kirkman said that he did not want the show to be like the comic. The story will be very different, I expect he will use some of the characters from the comic in the show, just to give fans of the show some familiarity.
But so far, look at it. The CDC, Shane, Darryl, Tbone. The show is completely different. They are going to familiar places in the show, but I really doubt that it will be as close as you think it is.
But, I really don't think they will try to go to France. Not because of the comic, but because crossing the Atlantic in a Zombie Apocalypse with people who probably have no clue how to navigate in the open ocean? Ridiculous.
But, that would be pretty sweet, they get a boat and just travel from port to port, getting gear and moving on? Would be a pretty good move as far as safety goes.
KingCracker wrote:You obviously dont have children. I can tell you, that even as obvious as children can be, they will still show up right in front of you, with a dumb smile on their faces, and holding the sharpest chefs knife in the drawer. It happens, if your not "looking" sometimes its pretty damn hard to see
Yeah but that is reinforcing what I am saying even more. I am OK with some teleporting zombies. It is part of how it works in horror. But hundreds? Your analogy works for a few zombies, but I can guarantee if you had 300 children show up in front of you with that dumb smile you would have seen them up to something long before that.
Well think for a moment of how the bend in that highway looks. On either side, is a high bank and nothing but forest. The road is covered with cars. Now Im not saying they wouldnt of saw 100 zombies walking around, but if you look, there are about 20 out in front of the main body of zombies. Now those zombies could/can easily be hidden by the embankment/cars easily enough, specially if his attention was else where. I think what it really came down to, is they didnt do a very good job shooting it like that. It seemed like they saw 5 and then POOF its over 100 zombies. They should of really added only a couple seconds onto the shot and showed them pouring out from the forest. The way your looking at it is that ALL of the zombies were right there instantly.
Last one was ok I guess. Some other major thematic changes from the source material I've noticed are 1) the use of flashbacks. There's no flashbacks in the book because it helps keep the in the moment feel. I'm fine with it for the show. More backstory is good but my only concern is it really slowing down the speed of the overall story.
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Pretty sure they won't even make it to the prison this season its going so slow.
2) Nobody dies in this show. In the comic people die every other issue. Seriously somebody better die next episode!
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Last one was ok I guess. Some other major thematic changes from the source material I've noticed are 1) the use of flashbacks. There's no flashbacks in the book because it helps keep the in the moment feel. I'm fine with it for the show. More backstory is good but my only concern is it really slowing down the speed of the overall story.
Spoiler:
Pretty sure they won't even make it to the prison this season its going so slow.
2) Nobody dies in this show. In the comic people die every other issue. Seriously somebody better die next episode!
Remember last year when I predicted that the producers would utilize flashback sequences in the series... ...I'd assumed it would be done to A) provide backstory and further character development and B) as a simple plot device to "pad" episodes and familurize those who haven't read the source material with the characters ( even if the flashbacks didn't appear in the comics)...it's a quick and easy way for the home viewers to get to " know" more about what makes the characters tick...and who they were before the situations they are now in occured..I'd expect more of them as season 2 moves on.....
2) Again...it's a simple plot device, you can hold a viewers attention for a longer period of time if you place characters in peril rather than just killing them off willy nilly...particularly if you've established the fact that characters will die
TWD will have viewers tuning in just to see what happens to Carl and to find out if Sophie is ever found...
Though I do predict a "character death" soon...just to satisfy the " comic base" and to keep the viewing public aware of the fact that "characters can die here".
last night's episode was pretty good. I liked the flashbacks, maybe you don't need em in a comic book but a TV show is a different animal.. helps add back story and character development and all that stuff.
I'm also lookin forward to the wild west show they've been advertising too.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Last one was ok I guess. Some other major thematic changes from the source material I've noticed are 1) the use of flashbacks. There's no flashbacks in the book because it helps keep the in the moment feel. I'm fine with it for the show. More backstory is good but my only concern is it really slowing down the speed of the overall story.
Spoiler:
Pretty sure they won't even make it to the prison this season its going so slow.
2) Nobody dies in this show. In the comic people die every other issue. Seriously somebody better die next episode!
Remember last year when I predicted that the producers would utilize flashback sequences in the series... ...I'd assumed it would be done to A) provide backstory and further character development and B) as a simple plot device to "pad" episodes and familurize those who haven't read the source material with the characters ( even if the flashbacks didn't appear in the comics)...it's a quick and easy way for the home viewers to get to " know" more about what makes the characters tick...and who they were before the situations they are now in occured..I'd expect more of them as season 2 moves on.....
2) Again...it's a simple plot device, you can hold a viewers attention for a longer period of time if you place characters in peril rather than just killing them off willy nilly...particularly if you've established the fact that characters will die
TWD will have viewers tuning in just to see what happens to Carl and to find out if Sophie is ever found...
Though I do predict a "character death" soon...just to satisfy the " comic base" and to keep the viewing public aware of the fact that "characters can die here".
For whatever reason flashbacks work for TV. I blame Lost.
On the second point. I don't feel it's been established that characters can die. One comment Kirkman made that worried me was it's a lot harder to kill people off in a TV show than a comic because actors are real people who rely on their paycheque. Well I don't care about that honestly. As the series changes this is becoming a major thematic change. I don't have that fear that anyone can die at any moment. Is this The Walking Dead or isn't it? Somebody better get dead stat!
They had a few character deaths in season 1, including 2 (IIRC) of the " established cast"...and that was in six episodes.
...So I don't think that we wont be seeing other characters die off...now, we may not see any of the " Main" characters drop for a while...I'd say Rick,Lori, Daryl, Dale, Andrea and Glenn are all probably " Safe"....but as for any of the others...I get the feeling that they're all pretty expendable as far as the story goes and could get done in at any minute.
bbb wrote:Flashbacks are probably cheaper to produce since you don't need special effects or zombie ravaged settings.
Yeah, that too...given the fact that there have been some budget cuts to the series ,doing a " pre-outbreak flashback" helps stretch the resources available while still keeping things interesting ( to a degree)...the "Lori" flashback last night took up five minutes of showtime, gave everyone a peek at some of the dynamics of her and Shane's relationship ( and the stress that was there between her and Rick) prior to /just after Rick was shot...and definitely didn't cost anywhere near what it would have cost to do a " zombie scene/action scene".
That fat man needs no cardio, hes Pruitt Taylor Vince, a fething awesome actor, AND that crazy killer fruit basket in Identity. I too liked the show the other night, it was pretty good. Im thinking they are going to kill off the kids for some reason, maybe so they arnt shown being eaten by zombies later on or something. But uh yea, looking forward to next weeks show for sure. Hopefully since its the night before Halloween, itll be extra good
Just finished watching Season 1 of The Walking Dead with the gf last night. I was pretty impressed with the show. As with Fitzz's lady,
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The moment I saw the zombie attack on the camp I thought of Merl, he stole a moving/shipping van and could have probably lured some zombies inside with another survivor, maybe a partially uneaten body, then closed the door with a pulley from the top of the van.
The part I find interesting right now is how the d-bag brothers will clash when there is a reunion. If my theory is correct I want to see how Darryl reacts. It's clear he's always looked up to Merl for his toughness and hasn't grown out of the little brother role yet. However, his sympathy and more tolerant attitude point to the idea that he might not always accept his brothers horrible behavior and may even turn against him later in the show. Honestly I was surprised he was Merl's brother. He may have a bad temper but other than that he's a much more reasonable person. I thought the wife beater guy who's name I didn't even bother learning was Merl's brother when they first introduced him.
Also I was really looking forward to adding a doctor to the surviving party, guess I'll just have to wait for my favorite archetype to hopefully appear later. We'll have to see if
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the doctor told Rick that his wife was pregnant(with Shane's baby considering the timeframe)
which was my first thought on seeing that scene. Maybe they'll pull a Bebop with it and Rick will wake up back in the hospital and everything will be back to normal
Im really hoping the doc didnt say she was pregnant, but found something "interesting" and felt the need to tell Rick, as hes the obvious leader. I like my shows/movies not being obvious
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Soooo. You guys still want Shane in your survival party? I'm sticking with Rick.
Nerivant wrote:
Shane would be okay, I guess, but I'd prefer to not be worrying about whether or not the guy I'm on patrol with is going to shoot me and dump the body for the walkers.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Soooo. You guys still want Shane in your survival party? I'm sticking with Rick.
...Here we go..I for one perfectly understand Shane's actions...yes they were harsh...but..
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Had he not shot Otis and left him for the Walkers ,both of them would have probably died...and Carl as well most likely.
His actions may have seemed cruel....but they allowed two people to go on living.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Soooo. You guys still want Shane in your survival party? I'm sticking with Rick.
...Here we go..I for one perfectly understand Shane's actions...yes they were harsh...but..
Spoiler:
Had he not shot Otis and left him for the Walkers ,both of them would have probably died...and Carl as well most likely.
His actions may have seemed cruel....but they allowed two people to go on living.
Good point, but I doubt he was thinking that far ahead. Too busy limping.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Soooo. You guys still want Shane in your survival party? I'm sticking with Rick.
...Here we go..I for one perfectly understand Shane's actions...yes they were harsh...but..
Spoiler:
Had he not shot Otis and left him for the Walkers ,both of them would have probably died...and Carl as well most likely.
His actions may have seemed cruel....but they allowed two people to go on living.
Good point, but I doubt he was thinking that far ahead. Too busy limping.
I don't think he was thinking ahead at all, no way was the action premeditated ...rather I believe Shane simply ( and quickly) realized what needed to be done in the situation and then did it.
FITZZ wrote:
I don't think he was thinking ahead at all, no way was the action premeditated ...rather I believe Shane simply ( and quickly) realized what needed to be done in the situation and then did it.
FITZZ wrote:
I don't think he was thinking ahead at all, no way was the action premeditated ...rather I believe Shane simply ( and quickly) realized what needed to be done in the situation and then did it.
And for the record, I loved it.
I like Shane. I just wouldn't like him around.
... I can definitely see your point, what makes Shane " dangerous" to the rest of the group is that they are unaware of the fact that he's prepared to do whatever it takes to survive and accomplish goals...they have no way of knowing where his " line" is...since they don't know it exist.
But from an " informed outsider" perspective....I'd have no problem having Shane along, knowing he could handle making " tough" choices that might go against what the " Normal world" would consider....moral or " right".
...Of all the characters in the show, I'd opt to have Shane, Daryl , Dale....and possiably Andrea ( now that she seems to be toughening up) on my " team".
Honestly, I think the next episode would be better if someone else was there to witness what Shane did to Otis.
It was important for his character, but it didn't really create any conflict. A "whose life was worth more, Otis' or Carl's" situation would add some tension to the boring-as-feth farmhouse scenes.
Nerivant wrote:Honestly, I think the next episode would be better if someone else was there to witness what Shane did to Otis.
It was important for his character, but it didn't really create any conflict. A "whose life was worth more, Otis' or Carl's" situation would add some tension to the boring-as-feth farmhouse scenes.
That could be interesting...but I doubt it will happen, I think the angle in the show will be slightly more " Hitchcock", in that we the viewers will be aware of the " ticking bomb" ( Shane)...but those in the situation won't be.
I thought it was great. And the fact that the episode ended with him shaving his head to avoid what almost happened happening again if he had to make that decision in the future was awesome. I'd also point out that he doesn't seem to have realized how far he would go until that moment.
They also departed pretty heavily from the comic. Otis, if I remember right, was suppose to last quite a bit longer. Granted they added Darryl, Shane, and T-Dog so I guess it has to balance out a bit.
As far as the farmhouse at the current pacing they should only be there for 3-4 more episodes tops before they have to move on.
Necros wrote:I kinda took Shane's offing Otis as "I'm nuts and maybe this will get rick's wife to wanna love me up"
... While perhaps wanting to show Lori that he's a better choice in this " brave new world" than Rick is could have been part of his motivation...I'd see it as a rather minor thing...I think Shane genuinly cared about saving Carl ( and himself).
Walking Dead Survival Party: Daryl, Rick, Dale, Glen (Asian Dude?).
Its like building a balanced DND party. Daryl is your Ranger/survivalist/tracker. Rick is your fighter/frontliner. Dale is the team lookout and knowledge guy/car fixer. Glen is the rogue of the group and helps gather supplies unseen while also being awesome.
All they need now is a dedicated and more youthful healer type and they'll be set.
Shane is a loose cannon. Although I understand his actions and motives, he's a very selfish and self centered person. We're seeing the Lord of the Flies effect on the group right now. The constant stress to survive is starting to make the civilized parts of the group void and the animalistic survivalist within them emerge. Shane is the extreme example of this but also Rick's wife and Andrea as well.
Im siding with FITZZ alot on where I stand with Shane. I wont lie, in an APOC situation, its going to be me safe guarding my family first. Ill play nice and all that, if its beneficial to my owns survival, but if anything happens that can put them in danger, Im sorry but I would do the same fething thing, but I would of shot him in the gut instead of the leg. Stomach wounds are terrible, you bleed like crazy, and its crippling, he probably wouldnt of really had the strength to hold on like that with a bullet in his belly.
Its like building a balanced DND party. Daryl is your Ranger/survivalist/tracker. Rick is your fighter/frontliner. Dale is the team lookout and knowledge guy/car fixer. Glen is the rogue of the group and helps gather supplies unseen while also being awesome.
All they need now is a dedicated and more youthful healer type and they'll be set.
Shane is a loose cannon. Although I understand his actions and motives, he's a very selfish and self centered person. We're seeing the Lord of the Flies effect on the group right now. The constant stress to survive is starting to make the civilized parts of the group void and the animalistic survivalist within them emerge. Shane is the extreme example of this but also Rick's wife and Andrea as well.
VIP of the group: Daryl by a long shot.
Agreed, and hes REALLY growing on me. At first I wasnt sure about him, but hes starting to do helpful things for the group, and hell he even went out at night to look for that ladies daughter. Sure he said it was because he couldnt sleep and all that, gotta keep his image going, but that guy would be an extremely helpful person to have around
Funny, on another site I'm in a big debate where the most vocal people are condemning Shane's actions while not really offering any other alternatives besides both him and Otis dying because that would be the moral thing to do.
Shane is a loose cannon. He's not dealing well with the happy little family he was building coming apart. Leaving actually wouldn't be a horrible thing aside from the party losing someone who's good with a gun (these people's abilities to get head shots are down right supernatural) but losing someone who's mental stability is really in question.
I think Dale had a very small moment of gigantic character development when T-Dog called him out on not really doing anything to the van while everyone was gone. His little almost off the cuff comment about trying to delay the inevitable "Needs of the many," discussion revealed a ton about him and how good a hand he has on the situation but also how he's trying to preserve some semblance of civilization in a situation where it's all too easy, arguably necessary, to be rid of it.
FITZZ wrote:
I don't think he was thinking ahead at all, no way was the action premeditated ...rather I believe Shane simply ( and quickly) realized what needed to be done in the situation and then did it.
And for the record, I loved it.
I like Shane. I just wouldn't like him around.
... I can definitely see your point, what makes Shane " dangerous" to the rest of the group is that they are unaware of the fact that he's prepared to do whatever it takes to survive and accomplish goals...they have no way of knowing where his " line" is...since they don't know it exist.
But from an " informed outsider" perspective....I'd have no problem having Shane along, knowing he could handle making " tough" choices that might go against what the " Normal world" would consider....moral or " right".
...Of all the characters in the show, I'd opt to have Shane, Daryl , Dale....and possiably Andrea ( now that she seems to be toughening up) on my " team".
....what if he shoots you in the leg and then you get eaten by zombies?
FITZZ wrote:
I don't think he was thinking ahead at all, no way was the action premeditated ...rather I believe Shane simply ( and quickly) realized what needed to be done in the situation and then did it.
And for the record, I loved it.
I like Shane. I just wouldn't like him around.
... I can definitely see your point, what makes Shane " dangerous" to the rest of the group is that they are unaware of the fact that he's prepared to do whatever it takes to survive and accomplish goals...they have no way of knowing where his " line" is...since they don't know it exist.
But from an " informed outsider" perspective....I'd have no problem having Shane along, knowing he could handle making " tough" choices that might go against what the " Normal world" would consider....moral or " right".
...Of all the characters in the show, I'd opt to have Shane, Daryl , Dale....and possiably Andrea ( now that she seems to be toughening up) on my " team".
....what if he shoots you in the leg and then you get eaten by zombies?
Tyyr wrote:Funny, on another site I'm in a big debate where the most vocal people are condemning Shane's actions while not really offering any other alternatives besides both him and Otis dying because that would be the moral thing to do.
Ok, here's my thing Shane didn't shoot Otis to save Carl he did it to save himself. Yes, Otis if fat but he could have made it. He put himself in danger a few times to save Shane. He showed he's capable. Shane shot Otis because he hurt his ankle jumping out of a window. It's like that joke where I don't have to run faster than the bear I just have to run faster than you. Apparently Shane remembered that joke in mid run and realized he wasn't going as fast as the fat guy.
Ok, here's my thing Shane didn't shoot Otis to save Carl he did it to save himself. Yes, Otis if fat but he could have made it. He put himself in danger a few times to save Shane. He showed he's capable. Shane shot Otis because he hurt his ankle jumping out of a window. It's like that joke where I don't have to run faster than the bear I just have to run faster than you. Apparently Shane remembered that joke in mid run and realized he wasn't going as fast as the fat guy.
Except Otis hurt his leg jumping off the stands. The show went out of its way to demonstrate that they were both equally hobbled by their injuries. Otis wasn't leaving Shane, they were both staggering as quick as they could on their bum legs but the zombies were shambling faster. If he didn't do something they were both dead.
Otis hopped off the bleachers, there's one of TWD's wonderful sound effects *crunch* and he staggers for the locker room limping and grunting in pain the whole way.
Ok, here's my thing Shane didn't shoot Otis to save Carl he did it to save himself. Yes, Otis if fat but he could have made it. He put himself in danger a few times to save Shane. He showed he's capable. Shane shot Otis because he hurt his ankle jumping out of a window. It's like that joke where I don't have to run faster than the bear I just have to run faster than you. Apparently Shane remembered that joke in mid run and realized he wasn't going as fast as the fat guy.
Except Otis hurt his leg jumping off the stands. The show went out of its way to demonstrate that they were both equally hobbled by their injuries. Otis wasn't leaving Shane, they were both staggering as quick as they could on their bum legs but the zombies were shambling faster. If he didn't do something they were both dead.
Exactly...and I still say Shane popped Otis not only to save his own backside, but to save Carl as well...Shane knew that he and Otis would both die and thus Carl would die as well ( making the whole trip to the high school a waste...three lives lost for no gain)...so he made the choice to sacrifice Otis.
IIRC they've skipped Tyresse's (sp?) intro too. Hopefully, they still bring him in afterwards. Sorry, T-Dog....you suck. You need to be eaten immediately.
See, they should have brought Glen with them. The asian dude would have got the stash in two trips and never been seen, all ninja status. And they should have saved a few of those flares, maybe it could have been used on the way out, hard to say. Or even do what they did in the first season and got all zombified and walked in unnoticed.
Also, when he shot him, they were on the ground struggling for a long time. They might have JUST made it if they helped each other out. Or thrown the gear to the side, ran to the car and come back for it once it cleared out a bit. Or better yet, drop the stuff, run those zeds over with the truck and pick up the gear. Either way, I don't think he had to shoot him. He just took the easy way out cause Shane's a jerk.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:IIRC they've skipped Tyresse's (sp?) intro too. Hopefully, they still bring him in afterwards. Sorry, T-Dog....you suck. You need to be eaten immediately.
Oh god yes, the guy is a fumbling idiot! Oops I dropped the keys to the cuffs! ARRRRrrrrrrr. OH NO! ZOMBIIIIIIIIES!!!!!!!!!!!!! ACK! sliced my arm randomly on this car door ARRRrrrrrrrrrr. Im feeling sorry for myself cmon dood, lets get out of here we suck. Nope, Im secretly a badass, and know exactly what IM doing, sorry Tdog, you suck. Hey your RIGHT! AAARRRrrrrrrr
In my group, he would be reserved for zombie bait. As soon as the gak hit the fan, he would have a bullet in his belly. Thanks Tdog, you finally were of some use
I really wouldnt care WHAT he was thinking of when the shamblers were eating him. He can be comfortable knowing that Ill be thinking "Thanks Tdog, you finally did something I didnt want to shoot you for........well.....not counting the time I shot you and left you there for the shamblers that is"
So, I re-watched episodes 2 and 3...and I'm starting to think that Shane shooting Otis was not only an act of " I just gotta outrun you to get away/ these supplies have to get back to save Carl"...but also revenge motivated...a bit of " We wouldn't be in this mess if your dumb ass hadn't shot Carl to begin with...so ...you get to die...and BTW..you shot Carl...so feth you anyway."
KingCracker wrote:Havnt thought of that angle yet, you might be right FITZZ, he does seem like the type that would go off and do that.
Just makes sense to me, Otis had pretty much served his purpose in collecting the exact materials/supplies needed , Shane had previously mentioned he had no idea what he'd be looking for, which is why Otis went along, well that and he felt bad for shooting Carl, But...after everything had been gathered ...and they were headed back to the truck...Shane really didn't "need" Otis anymore...so...Pow!
...Besides, in the scenes at the opening of episode 2, right after Carl's been shot and Rick is freaking out, Shane keeps eyeballing Otis like he want's to kill him right there and then...
Ma55ter_fett wrote:Kinda hope the next episode has a little more action in it.
I'm tired of seeing rick and lori wandering around looking like they are haveing the worlds worst case of hay fever.
I'd actually expect the next episode to be more drama less action...less zombies.
Remember TWD took some budget cuts , so there having to spend more time focusing on the " human" element of the story...not that that's a bad thing.
Nerivant wrote:The human element has been very... lackluster for me.
Really?...I think there doing a pretty good job with character development/ non-zombie elements of the show...with the exceptions of T-Dog and the woman who's kids been running around in the woods since episode 1.
Really?...I think there doing a pretty good job with character development/ non-zombie elements of the show...with the exceptions of T-Dog and the woman who's kids been running around in the woods since episode 1.
The only developments relating to character for me has been slapping the "DEAD WEIGHT" label on each and every one of them except Daryll.
Three women who by all appearances seem to be coming apart at the seams at any given moment, to say nothing of the eyebrow raising dialogue at times. "This is a graveyard...I'm not comfortable with this." "DEAL WITH IT LADY!" and all of them worthless in a fight. (And this is supposed to be Georgia? Clearly some producer has no experience with southern women.)
One old guy who seems to be one of the last people left alive who can actually think remotely clearly in crisis...Now if only he wasn't a manipulative old bat.
Glen: He comes very close to being useful. Seems to sneak around pretty good. Isn't actively breaking down..which is an achievement with this group. Carries out whatever crap job needs to be done without much apparent complaint, and hasn't really managed to massively screw anything up. Unfortunately, he also seems to be a lot like Frodo Baggins in that he has three options: "Scream" "Run" and "Look sad/bored."
T-Dog. The useless, counter-productive, and ugly bag of mostly water. There need be no further explanation.
Two cops, both of which also seem to be coming apart at the seams (With different manifestations.) Rick seems to be simply strung out. Decent shot. Ain't too bright, but for better or worse seems like he's trying to preserve everyone he can. Could be salvageable depending on coming episodes.
Shane on the other hand...Well, I had the donkey-cave alarm blaring on this one since early season 1, but it didn't go overboard till the Otis incident. If he will leave shoot one man and leave him to die (Who is already risking himself to repay a -bad- mistake, and also saved his life once already.) there are absolutely no mental safeties left for the rest of em. Can't depend on him, and more risky than not to try. He needs to go, or he needs to die. Quickly, while he sleeps. Less ammunition expended than fighting it out. He is a really piss poor liar too, which makes the whole thing even more hilarious/sad/rage inducing.
At least the children have somewhat valid excuses for being useless. They're children. They do only as well as they are taught, and it seems the instruction was poor.
Long story short? "Oh my Christ, you morons are going to get me eaten or shoot me in the back while I am covering you. I'm going inna-woods. Cya. Try not to die!"
Really?...I think there doing a pretty good job with character development/ non-zombie elements of the show...with the exceptions of T-Dog and the woman who's kids been running around in the woods since episode 1.
The only developments relating to character for me has been slapping the "DEAD WEIGHT" label on each and every one of them except Daryll.
Three women who by all appearances seem to be coming apart at the seams at any given moment, to say nothing of the eyebrow raising dialogue at times. "This is a graveyard...I'm not comfortable with this." "DEAL WITH IT LADY!" and all of them worthless in a fight. (And this is supposed to be Georgia? Clearly some producer has no experience with southern women.)
One old guy who seems to be one of the last people left alive who can actually think remotely clearly in crisis...Now if only he wasn't a manipulative old bat.
Glen: He comes very close to being useful. Seems to sneak around pretty good. Isn't actively breaking down..which is an achievement with this group. Carries out whatever crap job needs to be done without much apparent complaint, and hasn't really managed to massively screw anything up. Unfortunately, he also seems to be a lot like Frodo Baggins in that he has three options: "Scream" "Run" and "Look sad/bored."
T-Dog. The useless, counter-productive, and ugly bag of mostly water. There need be no further explanation.
Two cops, both of which also seem to be coming apart at the seams (With different manifestations.) Rick seems to be simply strung out. Decent shot. Ain't too bright, but for better or worse seems like he's trying to preserve everyone he can. Could be salvageable depending on coming episodes.
Shane on the other hand...Well, I had the donkey-cave alarm blaring on this one since early season 1, but it didn't go overboard till the Otis incident. If he will leave shoot one man and leave him to die (Who is already risking himself to repay a -bad- mistake, and also saved his life once already.) there are absolutely no mental safeties left for the rest of em. Can't depend on him, and more risky than not to try. He needs to go, or he needs to die. Quickly, while he sleeps. Less ammunition expended than fighting it out. He is a really piss poor liar too, which makes the whole thing even more hilarious/sad/rage inducing.
At least the children have somewhat valid excuses for being useless. They're children. They do only as well as they are taught, and it seems the instruction was poor.
Long story short? "Oh my Christ, you morons are going to get me eaten or shoot me in the back while I am covering you. I'm going inna-woods. Cya. Try not to die!"
You see, you are thinking about this in a ridiculous way. You think they should have buckled down and function like a Military unit. What do we have here in this group? A rag tag group that probably survived on pure luck so far?
Yeah, you are asking a lot in this situation. Seems to me they are doing pretty well with what they got. None of them had "Zombie Survival Guides" and such before any of this happened. I am sure none of these people even thought about a "Zombie Apocalypse" before any of this started. They might have watched a few horror movies with zombies in them, but they were no experts.
Ma55ter_fett wrote:Kinda hope the next episode has a little more action in it.
I'm tired of seeing rick and lori wandering around looking like they are haveing the worlds worst case of hay fever.
More action? Wasnt there a huge Zombie scene, with shamblers everywhere? And people being eaten, and zombies being shot? I thought there was enough action in it. And I agree, I bet itll be drama next time around, carl healing up and the group figuring out what to do next
You think they should have buckled down and function like a Military unit.
Are you also detecting lottery numbers, while reading my thoughts? Let's go with a couple things off the top of my head:
Hey, the two cops and guy who is actually useful: You, more than most, have the ability to teach these people how to defend themselves and the people around them. Might just be a good idea to start trying, for a variety of reasons.
Here's another idea: Why don't we actually ask the people in this group if any of them have medical supplies of any sort? Ammunition? Bandaids? Batteries? Freakin toilet paper? Apparently that just slipped all the minds involved too, evidenced by the little experience with the antibiotics.
Heck, Mr. Badgewearer, let your son go on over to that deer. Nevermind that this is the deep south, and in a situation where the grocery stores might be...an unavailible option. Nah, nobody would ever go deer hunting in that situation. Heck, you and your partner both have probably gone hunting a couple times and know this to be the case! Couldn't happen. Nah, don't take off your jacket that happens to be the exact same shade as the animals pelt. What could possibly go wrong?
You are holding them to some silly standards.
No, I am holding them to using basic logic. I am holding them to the standard of: "Well, ya know, it's part of the country where you get the aftershocks from several different kinds of natures dispeasure, and the policemen leading the whole affair (To say nothing of the others following them) are probably not inexperienced with disasters, and though this is slightly different in the particulars the basics still apply."
There is suspension of disbelief, and then there is "I want to hit my face on the desk now." and while it is still good TV, the characters have more than a couple instances of jumping right past the former and into the latter.
Ma55ter_fett wrote:Kinda hope the next episode has a little more action in it.
I'm tired of seeing rick and lori wandering around looking like they are haveing the worlds worst case of hay fever.
More action? Wasnt there a huge Zombie scene, with shamblers everywhere? And people being eaten, and zombies being shot? I thought there was enough action in it. And I agree, I bet itll be drama next time around, carl healing up and the group figuring out what to do next
Well yeah, but it was only two guys. Not a lot of suspense there seeing as one was a series regular who has shown that he can handle himself, and the other was just some over weight dude who may as well have been wearing a red shirt and been named "ensign 1"
SOFDC wrote:
Are you also detecting lottery numbers, while reading my thoughts? Let's go with a couple things off the top of my head:
Hey, the two cops and guy who is actually useful: You, more than most, have the ability to teach these people how to defend themselves and the people around them. Might just be a good idea to start trying, for a variety of reasons.
Okay, the first thing these cops need to do is get everybody to safety while protecting them. As you can tell by how the show has been going, they have yet to reach any sort of safety. They just now got to the farm where it is even remotely safe for them. They have not even had time to teach other people to defend themselves while they have been trying to get scavenge and make sure everybody is alright and accounted for.
SOFDC wrote:Here's another idea: Why don't we actually ask the people in this group if any of them have medical supplies of any sort? Ammunition? Bandaids? Batteries? Freakin toilet paper? Apparently that just slipped all the minds involved too, evidenced by the little experience with the antibiotics.
They were scavenging for these things. They really do not have a whole lot hidden from each other. Darryl had his own supply of antibiotics because of his own issues. T-Dog did not get his little issue until after they had left in search of the girl. Easily explained. Again, silly standards.
SOFDC wrote:Heck, Mr. Badgewearer, let your son go on over to that deer. Nevermind that this is the deep south, and in a situation where the grocery stores might be...an unavailible option. Nah, nobody would ever go deer hunting in that situation. Heck, you and your partner both have probably gone hunting a couple times and know this to be the case! Couldn't happen. Nah, don't take off your jacket that happens to be the exact same shade as the animals pelt. What could possibly go wrong?
When you see a deer, do you immediately run because you expect somebody to be out hunting it? These people haven't seen any other survivors really. All the people they have run across have "Opted Out" of the whole situation. Why would they expect somebody to be hunting that specific deer?
SOFDC wrote:No, I am holding them to using basic logic. I am holding them to the standard of: "Well, ya know, it's part of the country where you get the aftershocks from several different kinds of natures dispeasure, and the policemen leading the whole affair (To say nothing of the others following them) are probably not inexperienced with disasters, and though this is slightly different in the particulars the basics still apply."
Has most of the nation ever been wiped out by a plague that causes the dead to rise and kill you? Is this something that regularly happens in Georgia that the Police down there train for? No?
That would be something for the Army and the CDC to handle. Both of those were wiped out, if you recall. These guys have no clue what they are doing. They are just surviving right now. Trying to keep their group together and alive. Saying they should know what to do in this situation is ludicrous.
Ma55ter_fett wrote:Kinda hope the next episode has a little more action in it.
I'm tired of seeing rick and lori wandering around looking like they are haveing the worlds worst case of hay fever.
More action? Wasnt there a huge Zombie scene, with shamblers everywhere? And people being eaten, and zombies being shot? I thought there was enough action in it. And I agree, I bet itll be drama next time around, carl healing up and the group figuring out what to do next
Well yeah, but it was only two guys. Not a lot of suspense there seeing as one was a series regular who has shown that he can handle himself, and the other was just some over weight dude who may as well have been wearing a red shirt and been named "ensign 1"
I loled. Nicely done. Poor fella......Im saddened more by the fact that most of you guys have no real clue who that "fat guy" is! He is an awesome actor DAMMIT!!!
While I see what your getting at, you have to keep in mind that most of the group are just civilians , all of them going through very traumatic situations...with no real prior knowledge of " what a zombie is"...so it's understandable that in some cases they'd seem/ act pretty " useless"...make dumb choices/mistakes..etc.
With the exception of Daryl, most of these folks ( including Shane and Rick..who are just Country Cops...not S.W.A.T or some Spec Ops) were living pretty " normal/boring" lives before the outbreak...they're in a transistional/ developmental stage now...learning to cope and survive in the " new world".
Three women who by all appearances seem to be coming apart at the seams at any given moment, to say nothing of the eyebrow raising dialogue at times. "This is a graveyard...I'm not comfortable with this." "DEAL WITH IT LADY!" and all of them worthless in a fight. (And this is supposed to be Georgia? Clearly some producer has no experience with southern women.)
Blondie... whatever he name is, doesn't seem to be quite useless. What happened in the RV was her fumbling in a very high stress situation. Once she had a weapon she just up and killed the zombie no problem. So I'm not willing to completely write her off. Lori... I can't recall if she's had an opportunity to prove to be more than dead weight. Right now she's been wrapped up as the pivot point in the triangle with her, Shane, and Rick which has really not given her much time to shine. Crew cut mom, yeah she's pretty useless.
One old guy who seems to be one of the last people left alive who can actually think remotely clearly in crisis...Now if only he wasn't a manipulative old bat.
Manipulative sure but what has he really done? Convinced Blondie (I've really gotta learn her name) not to off herself and faked the RV being worse than it was to prevent people from having the "Needs of the many" conversation in relation to Sophie. So I'm willing to give him a pass on the manipulation since he seems to have his gak together overall.
Glen: He comes very close to being useful. Seems to sneak around pretty good. Isn't actively breaking down..which is an achievement with this group. Carries out whatever crap job needs to be done without much apparent complaint, and hasn't really managed to massively screw anything up. Unfortunately, he also seems to be a lot like Frodo Baggins in that he has three options: "Scream" "Run" and "Look sad/bored."
He seemed pretty jazzed when he stole the Charger. Frankly he's spent most of his time in action and they really could be using to have some drama with him. Unfortunately he hasn't really developed many hooks with the rest of the group which means they have no real way to integrate him into the current drama. Which sucks because he's one of the most competant characters in the show.
T-Dog. The useless, counter-productive, and ugly bag of mostly water. There need be no further explanation.
I give him a pass on the car door as it was a total accident and it happened as everyone was diving for cover from the walker herd. Over all though he has proven to not be worth the effort to keep him alive. Dropping the key (though Merle's an donkey-cave so whatever), being convinced he's going to be left to die because he's black (even though no one has shown the least hostility towards him and they've got a far better reason in him being dead weight), and overall him really not doing much of anything ever does mean that you could just forget to include him in an episode or two and I doubt anyone would notice.
Two cops, both of which also seem to be coming apart at the seams (With different manifestations.) Rick seems to be simply strung out. Decent shot. Ain't too bright, but for better or worse seems like he's trying to preserve everyone he can. Could be salvageable depending on coming episodes.
Rick has several very good reasons for being like his is. First, he woke up in the middle of the zombie apocalypse. That'll feth anyone up. Then he has to find his family and amazingly enough does. He's thrown into a leadership role he doesn't really want but has forced upon him. They've lost people while ostensibly under his command. His family is in mortal danger. They've had their best hope for salvation blown up right under them. He is probably dealing with the fact that his wife is pregnant by his best friend. Now his son has been gut shot by another regular human and he's spent two episodes borderline delirious from blood loss. The guy has proven to be quite competant and is far from a drag he's just had a rather rough run of it the last two or three episodes.
Shane on the other hand...Well, I had the donkey-cave alarm blaring on this one since early season 1, but it didn't go overboard till the Otis incident. If he will leave shoot one man and leave him to die (Who is already risking himself to repay a -bad- mistake, and also saved his life once already.) there are absolutely no mental safeties left for the rest of em. Can't depend on him, and more risky than not to try. He needs to go, or he needs to die. Quickly, while he sleeps. Less ammunition expended than fighting it out. He is a really piss poor liar too, which makes the whole thing even more hilarious/sad/rage inducing.
Again, not useless. Dangerous but not useless. The downside is that after Daryl he's probably the most competant survivalist in the group. More than likely when he leaves they'll lose him, a car, and a significant number of weapons. They might also lose blondie but at this point I'd call that a net positive. The biggest issue the group has is that at this moment NONE of them are aware of the issues with Shane save Lori which means they'll most likely try hard to keep him around.
Long story short? "Oh my Christ, you morons are going to get me eaten or shoot me in the back while I am covering you. I'm going inna-woods. Cya. Try not to die!"
Funny thing is that I'd quite happily go through the zombie apocalypse with Daryl, Rick, Glen, and Old Dude. T-Dog and Crew Cut mom are the only ones I'd be adamant about dumping.
You see, you are thinking about this in a ridiculous way. You think they should have buckled down and function like a Military unit. What do we have here in this group? A rag tag group that probably survived on pure luck so far?
I'd give them more than luck. Much of the group in the beginning was useless, abusive Dad, T-Dog, the black lady, crew-cut mom, or unproven, blondie and her sister, hispanic family, etc. But I think Shane, Old Dude, Daryl (and to a degree Merele probably), Jim, and Glen were smart enough and competant enough to survive, meet up with the other people and to get everyone somewhere safe. I think attributing it all to luck is harsh. Abusive dad and his brood probably survived totally on luck but I wouldn't throw the entire group under the RV like that.
Yeah, you are asking a lot in this situation. Seems to me they are doing pretty well with what they got. None of them had "Zombie Survival Guides" and such before any of this happened. I am sure none of these people even thought about a "Zombie Apocalypse" before any of this started. They might have watched a few horror movies with zombies in them, but they were no experts.
The producers have explicitly stated that in this world no one has ever heard the word zombie before. No books, no movies, no survival guide, nothing. I guess George Romero made convention pieces of satire or something in this world. So everyone is going into this fresh with no real idea of how it all worked.
I'm liking the mix of action and drama this season. I wouldn't mind more action but building up the characters isn't wasted time. We've been getting some decent action set pieces and zombies staggering around. I'm ok with it. Now I hope AMC pulls its head out of its ass and gives the show its budget back so we can get even more zombies but whatever, it's all good.
Ma55ter_fett wrote:Kinda hope the next episode has a little more action in it.
I'm tired of seeing rick and lori wandering around looking like they are haveing the worlds worst case of hay fever.
More action? Wasnt there a huge Zombie scene, with shamblers everywhere? And people being eaten, and zombies being shot? I thought there was enough action in it. And I agree, I bet itll be drama next time around, carl healing up and the group figuring out what to do next
Well yeah, but it was only two guys. Not a lot of suspense there seeing as one was a series regular who has shown that he can handle himself, and the other was just some over weight dude who may as well have been wearing a red shirt and been named "ensign 1"
I loled. Nicely done. Poor fella......Im saddened more by the fact that most of you guys have no real clue who that "fat guy" is! He is an awesome actor DAMMIT!!!
I remember him from Deadwood. And it was a surprise actually because that wasn't "supposed" to happen.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Anyways, this show is breaking all kinds of ratings records despite the fact it isn't supposed too. Rumor is they've already renewed for season 3. (hopefully take some of that MadMen money back)
I think with the numbers they are pushing ratings wise, they HAVE to get a better budget, because its proof right there, that people are sticking around and watching this show. Cant wait for tomorrow!
The last minute or so of the last episode was intense...can't say I blame Shane but it was still a dastardly thing to do...
I'll bet Shane was hoping to get away cleanly...that was a low blow bashing a guy with no legs over the head...though Otis made a pretty derp move too...using his last bullet to try to kill Shane...hate to say it but at that point I'd rather have reserved it for myself instead of getting ripped to pieces...
Big problem there, your grenade could easily cause the death of a few other APOC survivors. How? It will probably kill a couple shamblers, but the majority will just lose limbs, and those bastards that drag themselves around without legs are the really deadly ones, because you just dont see them under cars and such.
Bullets, best way to go for everybody
KingCracker wrote:Yup, thats one sad fact about the Z APOC. Always keep 1 bullet for that very reason. Quick way out instead of being torn apart
That is what grenades are for! If I am going out, I am taking some of them with me!
Well, you might "take some with you" and then again you might not...grenades kill ( smoke and chem excluded) by producing high velocity fragments which cause massive trauma to the victim(s), most often to their bodies.
As damage to internal organs doesn't result in a zombie kill, and unless some of the grenade fragments were to penetrate the zombie(s) skull and destroy the brain within...you'd most likely just leave this world with a big boom...surrounded by a few shredded ..but otherwise unaffected ,zombies.
Explosives are pretty piss-poor weapons to use against zombies. Non-fragmenting grenades and conventional explosives could be used to destroy parts of structures to create chokepoints, and they can all find use against hostile humans.
Nerivant wrote:Explosives are pretty piss-poor weapons to use against zombies. Non-fragmenting grenades and conventional explosives could be used to destroy parts of structures to create chokepoints, and they can all find use against hostile humans.
Well yes, for their conventional use ( taking out humans) grenades are a handy ( ) tool to have....and I could see how they'd be worthwhile as far as use in demolition...or even improvised traps.
But as far as " pull the pin...toss at zombies"...well, you may slow them down...but your "kill" ratio isn't going to be that high.
KingCracker wrote:Big problem there, your grenade could easily cause the death of a few other APOC survivors. How? It will probably kill a couple shamblers, but the majority will just lose limbs, and those bastards that drag themselves around without legs are the really deadly ones, because you just dont see them under cars and such.
Bullets, best way to go for everybody
Assuming I am in the situation where I would be willing to kill myself, I would have told my fellow survivors to move on and leave me. But, as for Grenades and killing Zombies, Grenades have a pretty wide kill zone, and while the shrapnel needs a hit in the head to kill, the odds of it taking out even one zombie is pretty good. Which means that it has a higher chance of killing a zombie than just shooting myself, which makes it the better way to go. Take some with me when I go. But really, the odds of taking multiple zombies out from shrapnel and the pressure from the explosion itself incapacitating them, really helpful way to go.
On top of that, while my fellow survivors are making a run for it, Zombies will be drawn to my location because of the explosion and the sound of it. Really, all in all, a much better decision.
Yea, zombies will be coming to the sound for sure, better hope that while your friends are running, ALL the zombies infront of them have a sudden case of no hearing. Really I think using a grenade in that way is just bad all around. But you go ahead and have one with your name scratched itno it. If our parties ever meat, Ill make sure Im never on patrol with you thats all
well, as expected...a very character focused episode last night..not that that's a bad thing, and the " well zombie" was sort of cool ( even if the entire scene was a bit predictable in it's outcome).
Spoiler:
Clearly Lori has turned out to indeed be pregnant...which was no big surprise ( and I'm willing to bet that Rick already knows thanks to the Dr. back at the CDC, so the "reveal" should be amusing).
Also betting that there's going to be at least a nod to the comics as to why Hershel doesn't want Rick's group carrying their guns on his property, and why he didn't want them near the barn..( Might explain "well zombie" as well).
Glenn and Maggie's hook up again was no surprise, though the brief " condom" discussion was good for a laugh...expect tension between Hershel and Maggie in the next episode.. , actually expect conflict between most of the Rick group/Hershel group if things turn out as I suspect they will...I believe we may be seeing the end of " good guy" Rick soon...about fething time he realizes that he's not a cop anymore.
...Oh, and of course the " Sophie's lost" BS continues...though due to Daryl's discoveries at the abandoned house it would seem that she may still be alive ( or at least that's whats implied)...bit of a tough call as to what's going to happen with that story line, we could see a " happy reunion"...but I hope not.
... Also, the previews for next weeks show seem to indicate that Daryl will be getting into a pretty tight spot, and as he's a " non comic" character...that of course could go anyway...though I'd hate to see him die off.
It also appears that Meryl might be making a return as well...which should be very interesting...if he pop's back up I hope he kills T-Dog.
...All in all a " bridge episode"...not bad, but not much " action"....well, unless you count Glenn and Maggie's pharmacy romp.
KingCracker wrote:Yea, zombies will be coming to the sound for sure, better hope that while your friends are running, ALL the zombies infront of them have a sudden case of no hearing. Really I think using a grenade in that way is just bad all around. But you go ahead and have one with your name scratched itno it. If our parties ever meat, Ill make sure Im never on patrol with you thats all
If I were to be able to choose a way to go out it would involve a lot more explosives than just a grenade...of course the odds of having access to a large amount of explosives upon your untimely demise is very negligible, it would still make for a pretty awesome last hurrah...a big fireball being the legacy of Warork...
and possibly everyone with me at the time...
Blast...did not catch last episode...must track it down and watch it...as well as the premiere of Hell on wheels...
FITZZ wrote: well, as expected...a very character focused episode last night..not that that's a bad thing, and the " well zombie" was sort of cool ( even if the entire scene was a bit predictable in it's outcome).
Spoiler:
Clearly Lori has turned out to indeed be pregnant...which was no big surprise ( and I'm willing to bet that Rick already knows thanks to the Dr. back at the CDC, so the "reveal" should be amusing).
Also betting that there's going to be at least a nod to the comics as to why Hershel doesn't want Rick's group carrying their guns on his property, and why he didn't want them near the barn..( Might explain "well zombie" as well).
Glenn and Maggie's hook up again was no surprise, though the brief " condom" discussion was good for a laugh...expect tension between Hershel and Maggie in the next episode.. , actually expect conflict between most of the Rick group/Hershel group if things turn out as I suspect they will...I believe we may be seeing the end of " good guy" Rick soon...about fething time he realizes that he's not a cop anymore.
...Oh, and of course the " Sophie's lost" BS continues...though due to Daryl's discoveries at the abandoned house it would seem that she may still be alive ( or at least that's whats implied)...bit of a tough call as to what's going to happen with that story line, we could see a " happy reunion"...but I hope not.
... Also, the previews for next weeks show seem to indicate that Daryl will be getting into a pretty tight spot, and as he's a " non comic" character...that of course could go anyway...though I'd hate to see him die off.
It also appears that Meryl might be making a return as well...which should be very interesting...if he pop's back up I hope he kills T-Dog.
...All in all a " bridge episode"...not bad, but not much " action"....well, unless you count Glenn and Maggie's pharmacy romp.
Ya, that was pretty awesome when the well zombie split in two. Totally gross. TWD still leading the world in gross zombie technology! Kind of a slow episode otherwise.
When I first heard about this show I figured each episode would cover multiple comic book issues. However, in season 1 each episode was like one issue. Now somehow each episode isn't even one issue. It's like 5 pages of a comic book somehow
At least Glenn got to shine this episode. both with Zombie wrangling and...other stuff.
Its obvious to me now that Tdog is going to die at the hands of Meryl. But at least Tdog said something that I finally agreed with and laughed at. After he beat the hell out of that zombie, and then said something like "yea, sure glad we spared a bullet for damn thing" hilarious.
I hope Darrel doesnt die, honestly hes such a badass! I hope he ends up killing his own brother or something awesome cool. It would fit his character. Hell, maybe Meryl has the girl, and thats how Darrel finds her
Also, am I the only one that thinks the group abuses/uses Glenn?
KingCracker wrote:Its obvious to me now that Tdog is going to die at the hands of Meryl. But at least Tdog said something that I finally agreed with and laughed at. After he beat the hell out of that zombie, and then said something like "yea, sure glad we spared a bullet for damn thing" hilarious.
I hope Darrel doesnt die, honestly hes such a badass! I hope he ends up killing his own brother or something awesome cool. It would fit his character. Hell, maybe Meryl has the girl, and thats how Darrel finds her
Also, am I the only one that thinks the group abuses/uses Glenn?
Ya, for some reason when they say "we need some live bait" they all immediately looked at Glenn.
Poor Glenn, dont they realize that his skills, are an important skill set to have in a group? Sheesh, lets just waste the good shooter as well, I mean, surely anyone can be a good shot when it counts
Frazzled wrote:Not that keen on seeing Meryl show up. This could get soap operaish.
Merle popping back up is almost a certainty at some point this season
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I'd say it's a forgone conclusion that there will be some sort of conflict between Merle and Daryl revolving around Daryl's " loyalty" to the group and "loyalty" to his brother
...And I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to discover that Merle has Sophie.
What ever happens, it's a sure bet that TWD producers didn't hire a talent like Michael Rooker and set up the whole "He cut off his own hand to escape" bit just to have Merle fade away with out a whimper
...He'll definitely be back.
...Soap opera...yeah, but then again the whole series has been a bit of a "dark soap opera" from it's start.
Frazzled wrote:Not that keen on seeing Meryl show up. This could get soap operaish.
Merle popping back up is almost a certainty at some point this season
Spoiler:
I'd say it's a forgone conclusion that there will be some sort of conflict between Merle and Daryl revolving around Daryl's " loyalty" to the group and "loyalty" to his brother
...And I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to discover that Merle has Sophie.
What ever happens, it's a sure bet that TWD producers didn't hire a talent like Michael Rooker and set up the whole "He cut off his own hand to escape" bit just to have Merle fade away with out a whimper
...He'll definitely be back.
...Soap opera...yeah, but then again the whole series has been a bit of a "dark soap opera" from it's start.
That whole "cut off his hand" thing annoys me.
The metal that the cuffs were attached to was as thick around as a pensil.
If the blade was to dull to cut through that little bit of metal then he would have had a heck of a time cutting through the bone.
Exactly. Its a soap, with zombies, death, and bullets, but its still a soap
But yea, Im wondering if Meryl is going to be closer to the end of the season though, I think the mystery at the homestead is going to take up a few episodes, I mean the old man, doesnt want anyone armed on his property, and he has mentioned he lost a few of his own to the plague, or whatever you want to call the Zombie epidemic, AND not wanting them near the barns. I think they kept them in there, and hes trying to maybe find a cure for it, and doesnt want them to get shot
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FITZZ wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Not that keen on seeing Meryl show up. This could get soap operaish.
Merle popping back up is almost a certainty at some point this season
Spoiler:
I'd say it's a forgone conclusion that there will be some sort of conflict between Merle and Daryl revolving around Daryl's " loyalty" to the group and "loyalty" to his brother
...And I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to discover that Merle has Sophie.
What ever happens, it's a sure bet that TWD producers didn't hire a talent like Michael Rooker and set up the whole "He cut off his own hand to escape" bit just to have Merle fade away with out a whimper
...He'll definitely be back.
...Soap opera...yeah, but then again the whole series has been a bit of a "dark soap opera" from it's start.
That whole "cut off his hand" thing annoys me.
The metal that the cuffs were attached to was as thick around as a pensil.
If the blade was to dull to cut through that little bit of metal then he would have had a heck of a time cutting through the bone.
Not necessarily, just because the metal was thin, doesnt mean it wasnt a dense metal like carbon steel or something similar. And even a dull saw has a better chance of hacking through bone then metal, all you really need is some nubs like a butter knife, to saw through bone. Besides, Meryl was about the be eaten alive, that fear/panic kicks in, he would of gnawed the damn hand off
Frazzled wrote:Not that keen on seeing Meryl show up. This could get soap operaish.
Merle popping back up is almost a certainty at some point this season
Spoiler:
I'd say it's a forgone conclusion that there will be some sort of conflict between Merle and Daryl revolving around Daryl's " loyalty" to the group and "loyalty" to his brother
...And I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to discover that Merle has Sophie.
What ever happens, it's a sure bet that TWD producers didn't hire a talent like Michael Rooker and set up the whole "He cut off his own hand to escape" bit just to have Merle fade away with out a whimper
...He'll definitely be back.
...Soap opera...yeah, but then again the whole series has been a bit of a "dark soap opera" from it's start.
That whole "cut off his hand" thing annoys me.
The metal that the cuffs were attached to was as thick around as a pensil.
If the blade was to dull to cut through that little bit of metal then he would have had a heck of a time cutting through the bone.
Perhaps so...but, the scene was played for dramatic effect...and clearly it's much more of a "holy gak" moment for the group to have discovered Merle's severed hand rather than discovering half a set of handcuffs dangling from a pipe.
... And it of course set's up the whole previously mentioned " Revenge of the one handed Red neck" story line as well...a man's going to be much more vicious when doling out " justice" if those he's after placed him in a position in which he had to grieviously injure himself to escape.
KingCracker wrote:Agreed, I know if I were in Merles situation, and wanted revenge, Id be 10x more dangerous, specially at that group, just for pure vengeance sake
... My Missus still speculates that it was Merle who led the walkers back to the groups first base in season one, which makes some sense to me...
If I were an injured and pissed off one handed red neck, with no weapons and an ax to grind...bread crumbing a group of zombies to where I knew the people I was miffed at where camped would be at the top of my " ways to extract revenge" idea list.
KingCracker wrote:And before that "Hey we need supplies, GLENN!!! Get over here your going to town" Seriously?! Dont even ask the fething guy
Well...being the "go to town" guy has been shown to have the added perk of...privacy...
*coughcough*
I could have easily seen a guy in a suit come onto the screen after the scene with the pregnancy test and say "You see kids, this is what happens when you don't use protection, remember, only you can prevent unwanted apocalypse pregnancy."
KingCracker wrote:And before that "Hey we need supplies, GLENN!!! Get over here your going to town" Seriously?! Dont even ask the fething guy
Well...being the "go to town" guy has been shown to have the added perk of...privacy...
*coughcough*
I could have easily seen a guy in a suit come onto the screen after the scene with the pregnancy test and say "You see kids, this is what happens when you don't use protection, remember, only you can prevent unwanted apocalypse pregnancy."
This message brought to you by Trojan...
Ahn, but Glenn did have a box of condoms in his hand...in fact it was the package ( ) that sparked the whole " Apoc bop" lead in conversation between him and Maggie to begin with, so the " commercial" would have been more like...
" That's right kids...the last thing you need during the zombie apocalypse is a screaming brat giving away your hiding place to a swarm of hungry walkers...so, the next time you reach for that special someone to provide a few moments of comfort and pleasure in a world gone mad...make sure to reach for Trojans first."
I think everyone on dakka has a first class ticket to hell...-shakes head-
Its people like us that are going to be left after the world ends and thats even more scary than the end of the world itself...
Hey.......my ticket says coach! What a fething rip off!
... Looks like you got a bit more sinning to do then...c'mon KC...you'll love it up here in first class....we have BarBQ, Free drinks and devil women on rollerskates...
Well I thought that one was a lot more entertaining than last week. Some Zombie survival action, they finally got that barn open, and even the flashback was cool. They should firebomb a city in every flashback.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Well I thought that one was a lot more entertaining than last week. Some Zombie survival action, they finally got that barn open, and even the flashback was cool. They should firebomb a city in every flashback.
Agreed, much better. Whats her name with the rifle needs to die now. If I were Daryl she'd be roast toast when I get on my feet.
The old vet needs to bite the farm too. Its freaking Lord of the Flies time, and he has no boomsticks.
Pretty solid week. It's good to see that Daryl, who remains the only character on the show who is even remotely interesting and competent at this point, still gets crapped on by very nearly the entirety of the rest of the group at every available opportunity.
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Dude gets shot, and they best you've got is "well, who hasn't wanted to shoot him at one point or another?" - Yeah, right, geezer. He's out risking his ass for that kid while you and Calamity Jane are safely chilling back at the RV. DIAF.
I am ready for the vast majority of characters on this show to get eaten, frankly. And this subplot with the little lost kid has really been stretched out like 3 episodes longer then it should have.
Yea I will agree on the lost child plot being dragged out too long. These little tidbits of "LOOK!!! We found some evidence maybe!" Cmon, either find her, or leave her, Im getting annoyed of this. And seriously, Rick.... Ive heard he becomes a badass and all that, but why in the blue feth! is he wasting so much energy and time looking for her? Its been days, with nothing more then some random bedding, and a doll that could of been washed down stream days ago. Im sorry to her mom, but in a situation like that, after so many days with nothing to show for it, shes gone. Plain and simple. A world like that, hard decisions have to be made.
But yea, it was a good show, and Im also glad that Meryl was all in Daryls head. Im glad it showed that hes still conflicted, but showed that he doesnt really care for his brother either. And yes, the chick with the gun, is exactly why the group shouldnt have weapons until trained (again, a fact that would of been taken care of it they werent out risking their lives/supplies looking for a dead girl)
... Have to admit I was a bit disappointed that Merle turned out to be a hallucination ....I'd really hoped he'd popped back up to rock the boat a bit..meh...perhaps by the end of the season the " real" Merle will make an appearance.
Andrea shooting ( sort of) Daryl...completely understandable...for two reasons..first Andrea is a bit short circuited ...sister died and she had to kill her, suicide attempt prevented by Dale, almost getting ripped apart twice in so many days, attempting to "prove her worth" and no longer be a " victim"...she pulled that trigger not to put down a walker...but to prove herself, to instill some self confidence...perhaps even to get some pay back and feel more in " control"...stupid...yeah, a bit...but understandably so.
Second, it was simply Daryl's turn to be the " popular character in peril/ barely escaping death"...producers attempts to keep the show " tense" and show that even the " main characters" could die at any time ( which of course probably won't happen...at least until the end of the 2nd season, until then...only 2nd tier characters are in any real danger)
And, Sophia in the woods....yeah...it's become more about showcasing Rick's " morals " as far as the show goes, I figure she will A) be found ( at the cost of another characters life) in some " bitter sweet" crew cut mom reunion...or B) Will be found either bitten or dead and walking around, thus further dividing the group and breaking Rick down even more....I'm hoping for B.
Nerivant wrote:I'm hoping they find Sophia, the mom goes to embrace her, and then she rips a chunk out of her neck.
Yeah...that would work nicely..
Camera spots Sophia, covered in mud and filth, walking with her back facing the group...
Crew cut mom, overcome with joy and relief ,rushes to her daughter...
Sophia turns, snarls and bites crew cut moms face off...
Shane steps forward...Bang!...Bang!!...turns to Rick " Told ya so."
Nerivant wrote:I'm hoping they find Sophia, the mom goes to embrace her, and then she rips a chunk out of her neck.
Yeah...that would work nicely..
Camera spots Sophia, covered in mud and filth, walking with her back facing the group...
Crew cut mom, overcome with joy and relief ,rushes to her daughter...
Sophia turns, snarls and bites crew cut moms face off...
Shane steps forward...Bang!...Bang!!...turns to Rick " Told ya so."
I don't think I would miss the girl or her mom either...besides the emotional toll it might take on the group by losing them...I don't see them contributing much to the group...
Yeah, when Andrea shot Daryl I remember saying to myself..."Stupid blonde, whines for a gun and then goes and kills the best character!"
Of course, Daryl in his awesomeness didn't die but I can't help but remember Dale saying "Don't make me regret this" when he gave the chick her gun back...well Dale...regretful now?
WARORK93 wrote:I don't think I would miss the girl or her mom either...besides the emotional toll it might take on the group by losing them...I don't see them contributing much to the group...
Yeah, when Andrea shot Daryl I remember saying to myself..."Stupid blonde, whines for a gun and then goes and kills the best character!"
Of course, Daryl in his awesomeness didn't die but I can't help but remember Dale saying "Don't make me regret this" when he gave the chick her gun back...well Dale...regretful now?
All together a top notch episode...
The only thing that crew cut mom and her kid really contribute to the group is a " I can run while the zombies eat them both" factor...oh, and doing the laundry...I guess that's slightly important as well....can't fight zombies in stinky socks now can we?
EDIT: I completely get Shane's point of view, the whole group is taking risk for little more than some vague " moral" reasons that, in all honesty, isn't worth the trade off.
FITZZ wrote: EDIT: I completely get Shane's point of view, the whole group is taking risk for little more than some vague " moral" reasons that, in all honesty, isn't worth the trade off.
I think it is understandable, but I think in the case of Shane it is part of his slow burn meltdown that will probably not be very good for anyone involved. Sure it starts as "we've spent to much time looking for one person" but it leads to "we spend no time looking for anyone, and why are you walking so slow? *BLAM* More ammo for me" and the like.
Still, overall one of my least favorite episodes for several reasons:
Stupidity for stupidities sake. Much of it felt forced in and was done poorly. If they had Andrea shoot Daryl right off becuase she thought he was a walker I would have believed that more than waiting till her friends were within 5 feet to then try to play sniper.
Who waits so long to read a note to find out where to go for a rendezvous? She knows the area and he doesn't but he is picking the spot and then they artificially delay her reading of the note to build tension. Glen went from scavenger supreme to 13 year old idiot in the blink of an eye. Most of his reactions and dialogue seemed to be written by someone who has never met a human being. I get that he is young and inexperienced, but it seemed like they had no idea how to write frustrated young man, but they knew how to write petulant teenager. It just didn't fit and the whole thing felt very contrived even by zombie standards. I mean, passing notes within 2 feet of the person you are trying to hide them from? Lazy lazy lazy writing.
On the good side though, Daryl once again proves to be a bad ass that gets gak done.
I also suppose it says something about the characterizations going on that I have read and heard the phrase (or close approximation) "If Darly had been killed, I'd stop watching the show" quite a few times. He is one of the few likeable characters that actually has people engaged and he is a hillbilly with a racist, Nazi brother. It is a situation where I think the writers are disconnected from the audience about what they want to see.
FITZZ wrote: EDIT: I completely get Shane's point of view, the whole group is taking risk for little more than some vague " moral" reasons that, in all honesty, isn't worth the trade off.
I think it is understandable, but I think in the case of Shane it is part of his slow burn meltdown that will probably not be very good for anyone involved. Sure it starts as "we've spent to much time looking for one person" but it leads to "we spend no time looking for anyone, and why are you walking so slow? *BLAM* More ammo for me" and the like.
Still, overall one of my least favorite episodes for several reasons:
Stupidity for stupidities sake. Much of it felt forced in and was done poorly. If they had Andrea shoot Daryl right off becuase she thought he was a walker I would have believed that more than waiting till her friends were within 5 feet to then try to play sniper.
Who waits so long to read a note to find out where to go for a rendezvous? She knows the area and he doesn't but he is picking the spot and then they artificially delay her reading of the note to build tension. Glen went from scavenger supreme to 13 year old idiot in the blink of an eye. Most of his reactions and dialogue seemed to be written by someone who has never met a human being. I get that he is young and inexperienced, but it seemed like they had no idea how to write frustrated young man, but they knew how to write petulant teenager. It just didn't fit and the whole thing felt very contrived even by zombie standards. I mean, passing notes within 2 feet of the person you are trying to hide them from? Lazy lazy lazy writing.
On the good side though, Daryl once again proves to be a bad ass that gets gak done.
Have to agree with most of your points man, TWD has taken a bit of a turn towards " plot convenience playhouse", and I wonder just how much that has to do with many of the previous writers and Darabont being canned.
Honestly, Daryl should get his own spinoff where he travels the country in a pickup truck, beating the living gak out of everything and screwing around Zombieland style.
I would probably enjoy it more than TWD at this point.
EDIT: Bit of mixed feelings about this one, I like the concept of a comedy/drama based of the film, and it's always nice to see " new" zombie films/shows..etc come out..but..I'm cautious about most " new' zombie material, with the success of WWZ and TWD there's been somewhat of a glut in people rushing to cash in on the genre and most of the stuff coming out has been pretty piss poor IMO.
I try not to read into the intentions or shortcomings of the writers too much...I'm sure you can find things wrong with even the best TV series out there if you put your mind to it...I just try to enjoy the ride despite some rather predictable or poorly written parts...
Gotta admit...its a lot better than whatever's playing on MTV...
Also have mixed feelings about a Zombieland themed show...its seems like one of those things that sounds like a good idea on paper but does horribly in practice...
Andrea - Useless in a fight, completely emo, selfish, not overly useful up to this point, suicidal, is a complete capital B, and now because she's all into trying to prove herself she shoots Daryl.
Uh, yeah, she's Walker food to me. She'd have her gun taken away AGAIN. Seriously Dale, you're gonna take all that crap she's been shoving at you and then comfort her for shooting Daryl after everyone said NOT to shoot?
Feth that B, and Feth Dale for comforting her.
On a brighter note, Daryl is still alive which pleases me. The only Characters I care about at all at this point are Rick and his son (notice I did not include his wife), Daryl, Glenn and his new woman (), and usually Dale, although he annoyed me this episode.
My Zombie Feed List:
1. Andrea for shooting Daryl and being a super B.
2. Herschel for being an uptight self-righteous A-hole.
3. Crew cut mom for being a pile of useless.
4. Shane because he's a loose cannon/liability.
5. T-Dog, bleh
Everyone else I'm still pretty ok with. Lori could go and I wouldn't shed a tear to be honest, but how that would affect Rick and the kid is the problem.
Frazzled wrote:So how has Hershel's group survived this long in Zombieland?
They've been pretty isolated out on the farm, and Otis had a gun so probably delt with the random walker ( with some help from Maggie and her baseball bat of doom)...plus it seems that Hershel has nost of his zombie neighbors and family locked up in his barn.
So in other words, most of flyover country is doing just fine? East Texas doesn't look so bad after all. Who'm I kidding, you still wouldn't go to East Texas...
I guess when the Zombie games begin I'll have to change my name from Frazzled to SpaZ Emprah of Liberty Hill!
Frazzled wrote:So in other words, most of flyover country is doing just fine? East Texas doesn't look so bad after all. Who'm I kidding, you still wouldn't go to East Texas...
I guess when the Zombie games begin I'll have to change my name from Frazzled to SpaZ Emprah of Liberty Hill!
Depending on how long a place could go without having to go get supplies, I imagine that ranches and remote areas probably are doing ok, generally.
Frazzled wrote:So in other words, most of flyover country is doing just fine? East Texas doesn't look so bad after all. Who'm I kidding, you still wouldn't go to East Texas...
I guess when the Zombie games begin I'll have to change my name from Frazzled to SpaZ Emprah of Liberty Hill!
I already plan on changing mine to Fitzzo the Clown Commissar of Canal Street...before my minions gun/beat down walkers they will be required to pelt them with pies and spritz them with seltzer bottles while ridding by on unicycles or in very small cars....hell, it's the apocalypse ...might as well have some chuckles.
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KamikazeCanuck wrote:Farmland is obviously a lot safer than the cities. They just straight up bombed Atlanta it was so bad.
Oddly they could do that right now all things considered...
Frazzled wrote:So in other words, most of flyover country is doing just fine? East Texas doesn't look so bad after all. Who'm I kidding, you still wouldn't go to East Texas...
I guess when the Zombie games begin I'll have to change my name from Frazzled to SpaZ Emprah of Liberty Hill!
I already plan on changing mine to Fitzzo the Clown Commissar of Canal Street...before my minions gun/beat down walkers they will be required to pelt them with pies and spritz them with seltzer bottles while ridding by on unicycles or in very small cars....hell, it's the apocalypse ...might as well have some chuckles.
I imagine when the apocalypse comes, Fitzz will become something akin to Sweet Tooth from Twisted Metal...
y'know...riding around in an armored clown ice cream truck and what not...
KamikazeCanuck wrote:I was wondering if you'd be pro-firebombing Atlanta Fitzz. You're ready to do it today!
..Man, I've got really mixed feelings about that...There's a lot I like about Atlanta, some really cool people...some good restaurants , clubs...music...but...on the other hand...there's a lot about it that I'd happily see napalmed.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:I was wondering if you'd be pro-firebombing Atlanta Fitzz. You're ready to do it today!
..Man, I've got really mixed feelings about that...There's a lot I like about Atlanta, some really cool people...some good restaurants , clubs...music...but...on the other hand...there's a lot about it that I'd happily see napalmed.
We could set up a grid, you know, try and preserve the good parts.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:I was wondering if you'd be pro-firebombing Atlanta Fitzz. You're ready to do it today!
..Man, I've got really mixed feelings about that...There's a lot I like about Atlanta, some really cool people...some good restaurants , clubs...music...but...on the other hand...there's a lot about it that I'd happily see napalmed.
We could set up a grid, you know, try and preserve the good parts.
...Maybe... In the situation occurring in TWD...I'd be the first person to advocate burning Atlanta to the ground...I live 5 minutes from downtown and that's just to close to were loads of zombies would be...fry it and I have more time to head West..
Quite enjoyed last nights episode, lot's of issues seem to be coming to a head and it should be interesting to see how things play out.
Expecting some major character confrontations soon.
I'm getting really frustrated with the pace of this show. There doesn't seem to be any of the intensity from the first season, and I have no invested emotion in ANY of the characters...
What kind of Zompocalypse™ doesn't have Zombies?
Last night's episode had zombies. Honestly for the first time last night I actually felt a little bit of energy out of the show. The "Coversation" between Rick and his lady finally happened which means at least some of the ridiculous angst can fade. Oh, and Shane and Dale's conversation had me chuckling like crazy.
Dale has observation super-powers. He definately didn't play that Shane situation right. He was on a bit of a roll there with Glenn, Lori and Hershel but dropped the ball on the most important one.
Hulksmash wrote:Last night's episode had zombies. Honestly for the first time last night I actually felt a little bit of energy out of the show. The "Coversation" between Rick and his lady finally happened which means at least some of the ridiculous angst can fade. Oh, and Shane and Dale's conversation had me chuckling like crazy.
Yeah, Shane definitely shut Dale down for the moment...made me laugh a bit as well, Dale's usual " angle's" aren't going to work with a guy like Shane.
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Lint wrote:I'm getting really frustrated with the pace of this show. There doesn't seem to be any of the intensity from the first season, and I have no invested emotion in ANY of the characters...
What kind of Zompocalypse™ doesn't have Zombies?
There's zombies...two encounters in last nights show alone, three if you count the ones in the barn...but the show is also about the human element and the dynamics of how the group interacts with one another and the situations they're in...
If I just wanted to watch zombies getting shot...I guess I'd go play a video game of something.
To be fair to Dale Shane just bopped his.....daughter?....crush?...something. And it wouldn't have been hard to tell from their action and looks. That could throw anyone off their game.
Hulksmash wrote:To be fair to Dale Shane just bopped his.....daughter?....crush?...something. And it wouldn't have been hard to tell from their action and looks. That could throw anyone off their game.
True...and I think Dale is definitely more interested in Andrea in a " non daughterly" way. ...So yeah, seeing that Shane got what he wants probably did through him off a bit.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Dale has observation super-powers. He definately didn't play that Shane situation right. He was on a bit of a roll there with Glenn, Lori and Hershel but dropped the ball on the most important one.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Dale has observation super-powers. He definately didn't play that Shane situation right. He was on a bit of a roll there with Glenn, Lori and Hershel but dropped the ball on the most important one.
Ayah the one that could put him in a ditch.
Oh definitely...Shane would obviously have no qualms about bumping Dale off...like I said I expect lots of character confrontation in the near future.
FITZZ wrote: There's zombies...two encounters in last nights show alone, three if you count the ones in the barn...but the show is also about the human element and the dynamics of how the group interacts with one another and the situations they're in...
If I just wanted to watch zombies getting shot...I guess I'd go play a video game of something.
Don't get me wrong, I love the human element. I just feel like there was a better balance in S1. I don't particularly want to just watch zombies getting shot, in fact I found last nights scene with Shane and Blondie a boring cameo for the undead. Yes I get that it was more about Blondie and Shane, but they keep forgetting about "Zack."
I crave the running, hiding, sweating bullets intensity - which you'd think there'd be more of in a show about the Zompocalypse.
Sidenote: My gf and I have taken to calling Dale "Dr. Phil" now. What a tool.
I've had enough of the old man. Time to reinstute some time honored traditions.
Rick/Shane. WE want to stay.
Old guy. no
Rick/Shane, pulling out guns. We insist.
Old guy. I find your argument quite convincing, now that I think about it.
FITZZ wrote: There's zombies...two encounters in last nights show alone, three if you count the ones in the barn...but the show is also about the human element and the dynamics of how the group interacts with one another and the situations they're in...
If I just wanted to watch zombies getting shot...I guess I'd go play a video game of something.
Don't get me wrong, I love the human element. I just feel like there was a better balance in S1. I don't particularly want to just watch zombies getting shot, in fact I found last nights scene with Shane and Blondie a boring cameo for the undead. Yes I get that it was more about Blondie and Shane, but they keep forgetting about "Zack."
I crave the running, hiding, sweating bullets intensity - which you'd think there'd be more of in a show about the Zompocalypse.
Sidenote: My gf and I have taken to calling Dale "Dr. Phil" now. What a tool.
... ...The title fits his personality to an extent though, seems he's always popping up with some " advice", best retort ( besides Shane's last night) was when Daryl told him to "Shut up and Take his hat back to on Golden Pond"... I think old Dale needs to start worrying about his own skin and worrying less about being in everyones business.
....As for the Running, hiding ,sweating bullets...I would speculate that they'll be more to come.
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Frazzled wrote:I've had enough of the old man. Time to reinstute some time honored traditions.
Rick/Shane. WE want to stay.
Old guy. no
Rick/Shane, pulling out guns. We insist.
Old guy. I find your argument quite convincing, now that I think about it.
...Won't surprise me if something along those lines does happen...in fact I would hazard to say that if Shane was in charge then the old guy ( Hershel) would already have been read the riot act ( at the very least)...
Rick is just to caught up in doing what's " right" and not what's in they're best interest.
I know that this has been brought up before, but the continuing problem with Sophia is really starting to become a major distraction. I came along and started watching right at the end of season 1 and fell in love with the show. Since then I have been following the show and I have been loving it all the way.... with the exception of this subplot. With the season finale coming up soon, it feels like the Sophia sub-plot has almost totally consumed the show and virtually become the center piece of the season. Although the last episode was more concentrated around what was going on at the farm, the fact is that saving Sophia is still the "driving force" of the group.
Yep, that's exactly what I figured was going to happen, as the " find Sophie" plot has been such an pivot point in the show, I assumed when they found her she'd be a walker, thus further polarizing the group...
Shane will have a major " I told you so" moment...and Crew cut mom may be on her way out.
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Lint wrote:Oh yeah what's with the whole "Mid-Season" finale? Sounds like a contrived effort to drum up DVD sales...
Maybe...or it could have something to do with the whole off season balls up with the writers and Darabont.
@ Manstein...I really think the " we have to find Sophia" story line is more or less plot device to keep the group stationary for a bit while other developments occur.
@ Manstein...I really think the " we have to find Sophia" story line is more or less plot device to keep the group stationary for a bit while other developments occur.
I can see and understand that, as right now seems to be the part of the series where a lot of inter-character relation building (or tearing apart) takes place. My only concern is that they won't balance it all out soon enough.
well looks like Shane gets to the barn. Evidently the zombies including the little girl get out. Sounds like mayhem time. Most of the farm's occupants will get wacked as we've barely seen them. I wonder if the girl will go with the crew.
@ Manstein...I really think the " we have to find Sophia" story line is more or less plot device to keep the group stationary for a bit while other developments occur.
I can see and understand that, as right now seems to be the part of the series where a lot of inter-character relation building (or tearing apart) takes place. My only concern is that they won't balance it all out soon enough.
Guess we'll have to wait and find out.
Given the budget cuts and internal problems that the show had to deal with I believe they've done a pretty good job keeping things interesting.
Be warned, my spoiler also contains references to the comics and may contain general spoilers of the show's direction (or not, depending on the writing as they've already demonstrated). You have been warned.
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Ohhhh, that's nice. If it's true I'm all for it. The little girled lived quite a bit longer in the comics (pretty sure she ate it some point at the prison) but I can see it working as a plot device to push the group away from the farm or allow Rick to have a justification for doing something less than white knight-ish. Would also explain why Herschel is always on about them leaving when they are all up and about but never speaks about finding the little girl. Also why he's so against his family helping look for her. But it does make you wonder how she wound up in the barn since you'd think the younger kids wouldn't be to keen to look for someone they know is already in the barn. Still, interesting if it pans out.
I'm looking forward to them getting off the farm honestly. A little bit more traveling to expand the world and the eventual settling in for a time in the prison would be good. You'd think they'd be encouraged to get there as production costs would drop except for a few random episodes.
well looks like Shane gets to the barn. Evidently the zombies including the little girl get out. Sounds like mayhem time. Most of the farm's occupants will get wacked as we've barely seen them. I wonder if the girl will go with the crew.
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Maggie?...The girl with Glenn?...well, if they take what happened in the comics into consideration she will.
Its quite interesting to see how different the comic and show are - and quite intrigued to see how it continues and changes.
Daryl is def one of the best additions - maybe he will turn up in the comic - be a cool addiiton given where they are at at the moment.
I must re-read the comics to see if Andrea was the same at the start of the comics as she is sooo very different later in them....Andrea is one of my fav characters in the comic...
Sophia and her mother are very different.....
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Sophia is still alive and a friend of Carls, whilst her mother gave up and let herself get eaten after being cheated on
Is she still around? I haven't read much after meeting the Govenor since I left the job where we all pooled and read the comics. I keep meaning to pick up the trade paperbacks but it keeps getting put off
I'm still waiting for Mearl's triumphant return, and not in a dream.
I think out of all the farm folks I like, maggie is the only one .. took me all season so far to try and figure out who the hell she was, bugged me so much I had to finally hit up IMDB, she was Volkoff's daughter from Chuck
The old doctor guy can go, since he's getting looney and he served his purpose healing everyone. And the rest of the Featured Extras in his house can go too. Dale doesn't bug me so much, he's old and he think's he's the father figure of the whole group. I don't think he can help getting in everyone's business just because he's nosy.
Which she do you mean ? - I'll update below on Andrea /Sophia etc:
Enjoying the comics alot - I buy them as Tpbks
In the Comic:
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Andrea is still going and still a sexy and hardcore sniper - last issue had a her snogging Rick!
Sophia is being looked after by Maggie - she may have a crush on Carl.
Carole died as noted previously when cheated on
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Dale has observation super-powers. He definately didn't play that Shane situation right. He was on a bit of a roll there with Glenn, Lori and Hershel but dropped the ball on the most important one.
Ayah the one that could put him in a ditch.
Oh definitely...Shane would obviously have no qualms about bumping Dale off...like I said I expect lots of character confrontation in the near future.
Yep, should have kept his cards closer to the vest on that one. Like others said though he was emotional at that moment.
Man this show might as well be called The Crawling Dead.
I love the comic and the first season was pretty decent. This second season feels like the second season of Heroes and Season 5 of Lost. I wanted to like those shows at that time but like TWD I feel like the show is dropping off a bit. I want to like it, I really do but damn.
Daryl is pretty awesome and Rick is starting to grow some balls. If they kill off some characters and get Frank back I think they might be able to make a pretty good show out of it. I am not very optimistic about all that though...
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Dale has observation super-powers. He definately didn't play that Shane situation right. He was on a bit of a roll there with Glenn, Lori and Hershel but dropped the ball on the most important one.
Ayah the one that could put him in a ditch.
Oh definitely...Shane would obviously have no qualms about bumping Dale off...like I said I expect lots of character confrontation in the near future.
Yep, should have kept his cards closer to the vest on that one. Like others said though he was emotional at that moment.
Why? Its the law of the gun now. Shane could walk up and cap in front of everyone yelling "whats the frequency Kenneth!" So what?
on the positive I'd like to see more back story on other events and persons. And more firebombing! There are avenues where they can always liven things up with a flashback based purely on a location and with none of the characters. I think they even did a webisode like that.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Dale has observation super-powers. He definately didn't play that Shane situation right. He was on a bit of a roll there with Glenn, Lori and Hershel but dropped the ball on the most important one.
Ayah the one that could put him in a ditch.
Oh definitely...Shane would obviously have no qualms about bumping Dale off...like I said I expect lots of character confrontation in the near future.
Yep, should have kept his cards closer to the vest on that one. Like others said though he was emotional at that moment.
Why? Its the law of the gun now. Shane could walk up and cap in front of everyone yelling "whats the frequency Kenneth!" So what?
....I don't know that reference but no. He couldn't just execute Dale. He'd have to do it all sneaky like with Otis. This is still a morale group.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Dale has observation super-powers. He definately didn't play that Shane situation right. He was on a bit of a roll there with Glenn, Lori and Hershel but dropped the ball on the most important one.
Ayah the one that could put him in a ditch.
Oh definitely...Shane would obviously have no qualms about bumping Dale off...like I said I expect lots of character confrontation in the near future.
Yep, should have kept his cards closer to the vest on that one. Like others said though he was emotional at that moment.
Why? Its the law of the gun now. Shane could walk up and cap in front of everyone yelling "whats the frequency Kenneth!" So what?
....I don't know that reference but no. He couldn't just execute Dale. He'd have to do it all sneaky like with Otis. This is still a morale group.
Or what? Shane has the gun. Rick is a shooter and future crazy girlfiriend is a shooter but she'd just as likely go his way.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Dale has observation super-powers. He definately didn't play that Shane situation right. He was on a bit of a roll there with Glenn, Lori and Hershel but dropped the ball on the most important one.
Ayah the one that could put him in a ditch.
Oh definitely...Shane would obviously have no qualms about bumping Dale off...like I said I expect lots of character confrontation in the near future.
Yep, should have kept his cards closer to the vest on that one. Like others said though he was emotional at that moment.
Why? Its the law of the gun now. Shane could walk up and cap in front of everyone yelling "whats the frequency Kenneth!" So what?
....I don't know that reference but no. He couldn't just execute Dale. He'd have to do it all sneaky like with Otis. This is still a morale group.
Or what? Shane has the gun. Rick is a shooter and future crazy girlfiriend is a shooter but she'd just as likely go his way.
No, if Shane murders someone that will be the end of his tenure with zombie survival club especially over something that petty.
Frazzled wrote:Or what? He who has the gun makes the rules.
Or they won't listen to him....Lots of people have guns.
Not in that group actually. Only about half. Of those I'd proffer the wussy factor is extreme except for Daryl.
So either he kills eveyone or they kill him. I think there's an acronym for that: MAD.
Who's going to kill him again? Daryl won't. He'd just book off, maybe with crew cut chick. Crazy girl is actually with Shane and no friend RV hat guy (I like RV hat guy by the way). Wade (?) is weak and would do what he is told or stay with cowgirl. Rick would be conflicted. He gets conflicted a lot but would be the most threat as Shane did boink his wife. I'd take issue with that. Who else?
Frazzled wrote:Or what? He who has the gun makes the rules.
Or they won't listen to him....Lots of people have guns.
Not in that group actually. Only about half. Of those I'd proffer the wussy factor is extreme except for Daryl.
So either he kills eveyone or they kill him. I think there's an acronym for that: MAD.
Who's going to kill him again? Daryl won't. He'd just book off, maybe with crew cut chick. Crazy girl is actually with Shane and no friend RV hat guy (I like RV hat guy by the way). Wade (?) is weak and would do what he is told or stay with cowgirl. Rick would be conflicted. He gets conflicted a lot but would be the most threat as Shane did boink his wife. I'd take issue with that. Who else?
Oh, you keep watching Mr. Frazzled. Let's just say Machoness is not the determining factor in who can kill whom.
Frazzled wrote:Maybe so. but I don't think the kid's going to shoot Shane in the series.
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He definately is. They've foreshadowed it so much. Way more than in the comic. They're laying the groundwork to crank the irony to 11. Shane has already saved Carl's life (by killing) and Shane has now taught Carl how to fire a gun. The only reason Shane is staying is because of Lori and Carl. All this will lead to his downfall.
Frazzled wrote:Maybe so. but I don't think the kid's going to shoot Shane in the series.
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He definately is. They've foreshadowed it so much. Way more than in the comic. They're laying the groundwork to crank the irony to 11. Shane has already saved Carl's life (by killing) and Shane has now taught Carl how to fire a gun. The only reason Shane is staying is because of Lori and Carl. All this will lead to his downfall.
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I'm inclined to agree with Kamikaze here, the groundwork for Carl to shoot Shane has definitely been laid ...in fact it wouldn't surprise me if it's the mid season " cliff hanger".
Now, Carl may not kill Shane when he shoots him...but I do believe he will shoot him."
Frazzled wrote:Maybe so. but I don't think the kid's going to shoot Shane in the series.
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He definately is. They've foreshadowed it so much. Way more than in the comic. They're laying the groundwork to crank the irony to 11. Shane has already saved Carl's life (by killing) and Shane has now taught Carl how to fire a gun. The only reason Shane is staying is because of Lori and Carl. All this will lead to his downfall.
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I'm inclined to agree with Kamikaze here, the groundwork for Carl to shoot Shane has definitely been laid ...in fact it wouldn't surprise me if it's the mid season " cliff hanger".
Now, Carl may not kill Shane when he shoots him...but I do believe he will shoot him."
I think It'll be the actual season finale.
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Frazzled wrote:Mayhaps its just that thats from the comic and very open. I forget most viewers have not followed the comic in any manner. It seems almost too easy.
Easy? You already bought your ticket for the Shane vs. Dale Steel Cage Match with folding chairs and ladders and everything.
Frazzled wrote:Mayhaps its just that thats from the comic and very open. I forget most viewers have not followed the comic in any manner. It seems almost too easy.
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I'd think that like many things in the series they'll put a "spin" on what happens in the books...but the " Carl shoots Shane" storyline ( from the comic) is almost certain to crossover into the series in some form .
Frazzled wrote:Maybe so. but I don't think the kid's going to shoot Shane in the series.
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He definately is. They've foreshadowed it so much. Way more than in the comic. They're laying the groundwork to crank the irony to 11. Shane has already saved Carl's life (by killing) and Shane has now taught Carl how to fire a gun. The only reason Shane is staying is because of Lori and Carl. All this will lead to his downfall.
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I'm inclined to agree with Kamikaze here, the groundwork for Carl to shoot Shane has definitely been laid ...in fact it wouldn't surprise me if it's the mid season " cliff hanger". Now, Carl may not kill Shane when he shoots him...but I do believe he will shoot him."
I think It'll be the actual season finale.
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Frazzled wrote:Mayhaps its just that thats from the comic and very open. I forget most viewers have not followed the comic in any manner. It seems almost too easy.
Easy? You already bought your ticket for the Shane vs. Dale Steel Cage Match with folding chairs and ladders and everything.
It seems to predictable. Shane is too much of a potential bad guy now, but frankly he's 100% right. Its too easy. If it were more ambiguous it would be harder. Now if Rick went over and capped him for banging the wife, that would be unexpected, and so cool.
Frazzled wrote:Maybe so. but I don't think the kid's going to shoot Shane in the series.
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He definately is. They've foreshadowed it so much. Way more than in the comic. They're laying the groundwork to crank the irony to 11. Shane has already saved Carl's life (by killing) and Shane has now taught Carl how to fire a gun. The only reason Shane is staying is because of Lori and Carl. All this will lead to his downfall.
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I'm inclined to agree with Kamikaze here, the groundwork for Carl to shoot Shane has definitely been laid ...in fact it wouldn't surprise me if it's the mid season " cliff hanger".
Now, Carl may not kill Shane when he shoots him...but I do believe he will shoot him."
I think It'll be the actual season finale.
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Frazzled wrote:Mayhaps its just that thats from the comic and very open. I forget most viewers have not followed the comic in any manner. It seems almost too easy.
Easy? You already bought your ticket for the Shane vs. Dale Steel Cage Match with folding chairs and ladders and everything.
Oh...I'd count on a Dale vs Shane event to occur ...
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In fact it may even serve as the catalyst for Carl to shoot Shane...
Shane goes ape gak and goes after Dale, Rick white knights into the middle of it...Shane turns on Rick...Carl pops one in Shane's ass to protect his dad.
I could see that.
Frazzled wrote:Maybe so. but I don't think the kid's going to shoot Shane in the series.
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He definately is. They've foreshadowed it so much. Way more than in the comic. They're laying the groundwork to crank the irony to 11. Shane has already saved Carl's life (by killing) and Shane has now taught Carl how to fire a gun. The only reason Shane is staying is because of Lori and Carl. All this will lead to his downfall.
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I'm inclined to agree with Kamikaze here, the groundwork for Carl to shoot Shane has definitely been laid ...in fact it wouldn't surprise me if it's the mid season " cliff hanger".
Now, Carl may not kill Shane when he shoots him...but I do believe he will shoot him."
I think It'll be the actual season finale.
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Frazzled wrote:Mayhaps its just that thats from the comic and very open. I forget most viewers have not followed the comic in any manner. It seems almost too easy.
Easy? You already bought your ticket for the Shane vs. Dale Steel Cage Match with folding chairs and ladders and everything.
It seems to predictable. Shane is too much of a potential bad guy now, but frankly he's 100% right. Its too easy. If it were more ambiguous it would be harder. Now if Rick went over and capped him for banging the wife, that would be unexpected, and so cool.
No...that would predictable. You've got it backwards. You're saying the cliche thing is unpredicatable whereas the unpredicatable thing (which even after you've been told it was going to happen didn't see coming) is predicatable.
Automatically Appended Next Post: ANYWAYS forget about all that! Something just dawned on me. Mad Scientist guy in season one obviously didn't tell Rick Lori is pregnant. He said something completely different!
at your 4444th post's entry. should be more epic than this!
In the long run, does anyone think they will actually end up going to France (where the doctor who blew himself up at the end of the last series said the scientists may have been on to something?) I admit pretty unlikely..
