'Cause recent wars have lead to us using some interesting tech...
Jake
Sound triangulation is very useful
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FITZZ wrote:I understand what Jake is saying, especially as a Father myself...protecting my family and any with me would be of the utmost importance...any who would attempt to endanger those with me would be neutralized with extreame prejudice.
Just a shame we are on the other side of a giant ocean, as I would very much to be with guys such as yourselves during the zombie uprising
While not particularly skilled I am a quick and willing learner and would do as much as I could for the group... so long as you helped me look after the wife anyway
Having read ( and agreed) with many of your post concerning "Zombie outbreaks" in the past Silver, I'd more than welcome you and yours, seems to me you'd be an asset...and I'm pretty sure I could quickly teach you how to shoot accurately.
I've thought the disaster apocalypse thing through a little. We live in a rural area, but near military bases and a decent sized city (Savannah is about 20 miles away).
Neighbor has a big front end loader and a backhoe, berms could be put up overnight and improved barriers built as time allowed. We are on wells, so water should not be an immediate issue. We also have ponds and a stream (lots of fish in our ponds). Keeping the horses fed turns difficult within a month. One neighbor grows 2-3 acres of high yield vegetable gardens. Crap loads of deer and other game (as well as cows and goats within a mile). Arms and ammo are common and on hand. I have a very good deal of training in a lot of useful skills, and the tools on hand to make use of them. From advanced first aid training and kits to field sanitation, I'm not too worried. We could hold out here for a while. The neighbors would definitely band together, probably collapse onto one or two houses. I could move horse fencing/use on hand excess materials to reinforce barriers if needed.
The downside is with my wife deployed or stationed at Bragg when 'home' the odds of us not being togther initially are good. Daughter stays with me. During the school year son is up in Dahlonega, but the Corps of Cadets which he is a member of could easily get to the Ranger camp up there (they have a well stocked arms room, way better than I had in ROTC!) I have faith the Ranger camp stays secure and the mountains allow good people to feed themselves pretty easily. During the summer he is here, and is big enough and smart enough to be good help no matter what.
Heck, Fitzz could probably fight his way down here to get away from the hellhole hotlanta would turn into.
FITZZ wrote: Having read ( and agreed) with many of your post concerning "Zombie outbreaks" in the past Silver, I'd more than welcome you and yours, seems to me you'd be an asset...and I'm pretty sure I could quickly teach you how to shoot accurately.
Woo
And I was OK with the ol' air pistol when I was younger. If I ever go back to America I am going to see if I can find a range and shoot a few guns. Always wanted to see what it felt like (and if I would be any good ).
We have plenty of local indoor ranges/gunshops that allow you to rent all kinds of cool guns and fire them. You have to use their ammo which is an additional cost, but it can make for a fun day.
sillyboy wrote:One step ahead of you Silver, i already figured out how to get to England.
...Maybe we can team up to find a way to America.
Sounds good
I'm right in the middle of England, but there is a major river just down the road so I can get to the sea reasonably easily. Though as I have said before, I would try and hold out in my flat for as long as possible to let the initial panic die down before moving, and also to see if it is just a "minor" outbreak, or the end of the world
Just noticed your location Jake, Believe me Atlanta is no where I want to be during an outbreak ( it's bad enough under "normal" conditions) and I had planned to bail from my area at the first signs of trouble anyway...
Plans were to head for rural MS,as my Brothers girlfriends Father has a very "well stocked" farm just outside of Hatisburg...but hell I'm fluid...pushing for your local may be a good idea.
CptJake wrote:We have plenty of local indoor ranges/gunshops that allow you to rent all kinds of cool guns and fire them. You have to use their ammo which is an additional cost, but it can make for a fun day.
Jake
I wasn't sure about how it would work for non-Americans being allowed to play with guns, but it would certainly be cool to shoot a few targets. I'd start with something small and move up in size so that I didn't just go for some kind of shooty cannon and break myself with unexpectedly hard recoil
CptJake wrote:We have plenty of local indoor ranges/gunshops that allow you to rent all kinds of cool guns and fire them. You have to use their ammo which is an additional cost, but it can make for a fun day.
Jake
I wasn't sure about how it would work for non-Americans being allowed to play with guns, but it would certainly be cool to shoot a few targets. I'd start with something small and move up in size so that I didn't just go for some kind of shooty cannon and break myself with unexpectedly hard recoil
AFAIK there are no laws against taking you ( as a visitor from another country) target shooting.
Though as you said, you should most likely start " small" ( 9MM) until you get accustomed to recoil...though honestly IMO .223/ 7.62x39 don't have much recoil respectively.
lack of sanitation technology would kill off most survivors, that is if they actually lived long enough for it to kick in. No more clean water, antiseptic, so on and so forth
FITZZ wrote:AFAIK there are no laws against taking you ( as a visitor from another country) target shooting.
Though as you said, you should most likely start " small" ( 9MM) until you get accustomed to recoil...though honestly IMO .223/ 7.62x39 don't have much recoil respectively.
As much as I do like that we don't have guns in our society, it is a shame that we have closed all the shooting clubs and so on.
Crom wrote:lack of sanitation technology would kill off most survivors, that is if they actually lived long enough for it to kick in. No more clean water, antiseptic, so on and so forth
go live on a mountain or something. and there are plenty of ways to sanitize water.
Crom wrote:lack of sanitation technology would kill off most survivors, that is if they actually lived long enough for it to kick in. No more clean water, antiseptic, so on and so forth
If you live somewhere relatively sunny, solar distilleries create clean water from pretty much any water source. Though distilled water does lack many of the minerals and so on that are contained in "tap" or bottled water which have to be replaced in other ways. Also tastes pretty foul if you are not used to the taste
Antiseptics can be reasonably easy to create - if you have a still for creating alcohol, you have a means of creating antiseptics
Explain? One can boil water to drink, assuming that the contamination isn't something along the lines of Intesto-destroyer 5000 brand Radioactive Sludge.
One can still make soap ye olde fashioned way.
I agree with the lack of antibiotics far more than sanitation. Not hard to get that one right once you know you need it.
Crom wrote:lack of sanitation technology would kill off most survivors, that is if they actually lived long enough for it to kick in. No more clean water, antiseptic, so on and so forth
If you live somewhere relatively sunny, solar distilleries create clean water from pretty much any water source. Though distilled water does lack many of the minerals and so on that are contained in "tap" or bottled water which have to be replaced in other ways. Also tastes pretty foul if you are not used to the taste
Antiseptics can be reasonably easy to create - if you have a still for creating alcohol, you have a means of creating antiseptics
I am going to assume that in a zombie apocalypse you won't have the luxury of settling down and creating a distillery. The worst threat is the living and the undead will eventually find you. I am not saying that there aren't ways, I was a scout as a kid (well for a while) and I remember learning things like certain tree saps act as a natural antiseptic.
With out sanitation your risk for infection goes way up and with the lack of antibiotics it will really limit you. Sanitation is the key to combating infections in many cases as a preventive measure.
Crom wrote:lack of sanitation technology would kill off most survivors, that is if they actually lived long enough for it to kick in. No more clean water, antiseptic, so on and so forth
If you live somewhere relatively sunny, solar distilleries create clean water from pretty much any water source. Though distilled water does lack many of the minerals and so on that are contained in "tap" or bottled water which have to be replaced in other ways. Also tastes pretty foul if you are not used to the taste
Antiseptics can be reasonably easy to create - if you have a still for creating alcohol, you have a means of creating antiseptics
I am going to assume that in a zombie apocalypse you won't have the luxury of settling down and creating a distillery. The worst threat is the living and the undead will eventually find you. I am not saying that there aren't ways, I was a scout as a kid (well for a while) and I remember learning things like certain tree saps act as a natural antiseptic.
With out sanitation your risk for infection goes way up and with the lack of antibiotics it will really limit you. Sanitation is the key to combating infections in many cases as a preventive measure.
While sanitation could present some issues I don't know that we'd be pressed to using tree sap as antiseptics...
Your average small town drug store shelves are teaming with bottled antiseptics and medicinal Alcohols...with a substatial shelf life.
...And it's not like we exist in the dark ages where the knowledge to replicate these ( and other items) don't exist..it what be a matter of locating the needed chemicals and the know how to do it.
As for water purification...boiling/ a bit of bleach...and that's after surplus bottled supplies are exuahsted or become unobtainable.
Crom wrote:lack of sanitation technology would kill off most survivors, that is if they actually lived long enough for it to kick in. No more clean water, antiseptic, so on and so forth
Crom wrote:lack of sanitation technology would kill off most survivors, that is if they actually lived long enough for it to kick in. No more clean water, antiseptic, so on and so forth
Surface shers and looters will be shot on sight!
...I think we covered the need for sanitized/ safe "waste management" a few pages back...but yes...common sense dictates you don't gak where you eat.
Crom wrote:I am going to assume that in a zombie apocalypse you won't have the luxury of settling down and creating a distillery. The worst threat is the living and the undead will eventually find you. I am not saying that there aren't ways, I was a scout as a kid (well for a while) and I remember learning things like certain tree saps act as a natural antiseptic.
A still can be as simple as 2 containers and a length of pipe/tube and a heat source
Crom wrote:I am going to assume that in a zombie apocalypse you won't have the luxury of settling down and creating a distillery. The worst threat is the living and the undead will eventually find you. I am not saying that there aren't ways, I was a scout as a kid (well for a while) and I remember learning things like certain tree saps act as a natural antiseptic.
A still can be as simple as 2 containers and a length of pipe/tube and a heat source
True, if you have an established base of operation building a still would be a rather simple matter.
EDIT:...It actually amuses me that " rural folk" ( at least in America) would be far better prepared for a "zombie apocalypse" then their " City dwelling" counter parts ...
Crom wrote:I am going to assume that in a zombie apocalypse you won't have the luxury of settling down and creating a distillery. The worst threat is the living and the undead will eventually find you. I am not saying that there aren't ways, I was a scout as a kid (well for a while) and I remember learning things like certain tree saps act as a natural antiseptic.
A still can be as simple as 2 containers and a length of pipe/tube and a heat source
True, if you have an established base of operation building a still would be a rather simple matter.
finding a place safe from zombies wouldnt really be hard. its the humans you need to avoid.
Crom wrote:I am going to assume that in a zombie apocalypse you won't have the luxury of settling down and creating a distillery. The worst threat is the living and the undead will eventually find you. I am not saying that there aren't ways, I was a scout as a kid (well for a while) and I remember learning things like certain tree saps act as a natural antiseptic.
A still can be as simple as 2 containers and a length of pipe/tube and a heat source
True, if you have an established base of operation building a still would be a rather simple matter.
finding a place safe from zombies wouldnt really be hard. its the humans you need to avoid.
I agree that humans would present a serious " unknown" factor as far as threat...
Zombies are fairly simple to figure out...they move about, and will attack the living on contact, being bit=death sentence....pretty easy to understand.
Humans on the other hand...there are no "absolutes" here...any contact could result in an entire series of problems or result in new found allies.
OK well I think we need to define 'apocalypse' then. My definition means all is gone, barely anyone else left. All infrastructure is gone, all supplies you found at stores are now depleted, looted, etc. You are on your own with whatever you can carry with you. No place is safe, only safer and no place is permanent. The walking dead are all over and have left the cities in search for food and the remaining living fight and kill each other over the scraps that are left.
If you get injured, you're dead. If you get sick, you're probably dead. If you get cornered you will eventually die. If survival is the main goal here I think that the biggest problem you would have surviving is clean drinking water (hence my sanitation comment). People say, head to the mountains, boil it, distill water, etc. What if during the apocalypse nuclear/chemical warfare was used as a lats ditch effort to kill the zombies?
Just recently where I live a water treatment plant failed and they put a whole county on a water boil alert. You want to set up camp, a fire, and all of that to clean some water, go ahead. I probably will just stalk places and steal people's water with my guns since structures, fires, smoke signals, etc not only attract the undead but they also attract the more dangerous opponent - the living.
Crom wrote: You want to set up camp, a fire, and all of that to clean some water, go ahead. I probably will just stalk places and steal people's water with my guns since structures, fires, smoke signals, etc not only attract the undead but they also attract the more dangerous opponent - the living.
With an attitude like that, I suspect you would be one of the first ones put down. You'll never have an trust worthy partner because folks who act like that cannot trust nor be trusted. Operating like that alone will get you hunted and capped by a group that does cooperate and trust each other.
Crom wrote: You want to set up camp, a fire, and all of that to clean some water, go ahead. I probably will just stalk places and steal people's water with my guns since structures, fires, smoke signals, etc not only attract the undead but they also attract the more dangerous opponent - the living.
With an attitude like that, I suspect you would be one of the first ones put down. You'll never have an trust worthy partner because folks who act like that cannot trust nor be trusted. Operating like that alone will get you hunted and capped by a group that does cooperate and trust each other.
Jake
You actually think you can trust humans in an apocalyptic scenario? If it is a life long friend, sure I can trust them, some random person hell no I am not trusting them. I have had enough bad experiences with humans in our current society let alone one post apocalypse....
You go ahead and trust them, then they run off with all your supplies while you sleep, or worse cut your throat.
Raiding an unoccupied base is either pointless or suicide as the base is either deserted and thus the deserting soldiers took the supplies or the base was overrun and is full of enough zombies to take down a base full of fully armed and well trained soldiers.
Crom wrote: You want to set up camp, a fire, and all of that to clean some water, go ahead. I probably will just stalk places and steal people's water with my guns since structures, fires, smoke signals, etc not only attract the undead but they also attract the more dangerous opponent - the living.
With an attitude like that, I suspect you would be one of the first ones put down. You'll never have an trust worthy partner because folks who act like that cannot trust nor be trusted. Operating like that alone will get you hunted and capped by a group that does cooperate and trust each other.
Jake
You actually think you can trust humans in an apocalyptic scenario? If it is a life long friend, sure I can trust them, some random person hell no I am not trusting them. I have had enough bad experiences with humans in our current society let alone one post apocalypse....
You go ahead and trust them, then they run off with all your supplies while you sleep, or worse cut your throat.
I think that if I have made it to the point you describe that I will have gathered a group that I do trust, which is why we will have made it that far. Working alone with no one to pull security would never work.
Having about three years of platoon leader time and 2.5 years of company command time, I think I have a tiny understanding of what it means to build a coherent group.
I also think that having been exposed to the very best and some of the vey worst humanity has to offer that I can figure out which category to put folks into pretty quickly.
Crom wrote: You want to set up camp, a fire, and all of that to clean some water, go ahead. I probably will just stalk places and steal people's water with my guns since structures, fires, smoke signals, etc not only attract the undead but they also attract the more dangerous opponent - the living.
With an attitude like that, I suspect you would be one of the first ones put down. You'll never have an trust worthy partner because folks who act like that cannot trust nor be trusted. Operating like that alone will get you hunted and capped by a group that does cooperate and trust each other.
Jake
You actually think you can trust humans in an apocalyptic scenario? If it is a life long friend, sure I can trust them, some random person hell no I am not trusting them. I have had enough bad experiences with humans in our current society let alone one post apocalypse....
You go ahead and trust them, then they run off with all your supplies while you sleep, or worse cut your throat.
Hmm. Well...having actually gone through a post disaster situation ( Katrina), I will attest that there are ample amounts of people on both sides of the fence...
Quite a few folks who will come together and look out for one another and quite a lot of self serving, all about me, get what I can take, opertunist ( who should be shot)...
Now, while the situations may be a bit a different, I do feel that enough people will have a " cover my ass and I'll cover yours" frame of mind to make finding workable " survival groups" possiable.
corpsesarefun wrote:To be honest, we will all die eventually in a zombie invasion.
I would rather be in a mildly populated zone so I can have some fun before I die.
Oh C'mon corpses, no need to feel like we couldn't survive...rise from and eventualy come away better from a zombie apocalypse...look at it as a great purging.
Nah, for me the point in zombies is the inescapable threat.
The slow, easily avoidable but inescapable death that comes due to your own mistakes that zombies bring is a beautiful metaphor for life and so nobody should survive it.
You can't escape death, if you are naive enough to believe you can then you have totally missed the point in zombie films and I blame you for the recent rash of zombie media with happy endings.
Crom wrote: You want to set up camp, a fire, and all of that to clean some water, go ahead. I probably will just stalk places and steal people's water with my guns since structures, fires, smoke signals, etc not only attract the undead but they also attract the more dangerous opponent - the living.
With an attitude like that, I suspect you would be one of the first ones put down. You'll never have an trust worthy partner because folks who act like that cannot trust nor be trusted. Operating like that alone will get you hunted and capped by a group that does cooperate and trust each other.
Jake
You actually think you can trust humans in an apocalyptic scenario? If it is a life long friend, sure I can trust them, some random person hell no I am not trusting them. I have had enough bad experiences with humans in our current society let alone one post apocalypse....
You go ahead and trust them, then they run off with all your supplies while you sleep, or worse cut your throat.
Hmm. Well...having actually gone through a post disaster situation ( Katrina), I will attest that there are ample amounts of people on both sides of the fence...
Quite a few folks who will come together and look out for one another and quite a lot of self serving, all about me, get what I can take, opertunist ( who should be shot)...
Now, while the situations may be a bit a different, I do feel that enough people will have a " cover my ass and I'll cover yours" frame of mind to make finding workable " survival groups" possiable.
Again I think this is not going to be the case. I mean we are talking about post apocalypse right? The land is barren, people are almost dead, think "The Road," where you can trust NO ONE. We aren't talking about some disaster where only a small portion of a country or even the world is affected, we are talking about global apocalypse correct?
This is different than war, different than disasters, this is the end, as in the end of anything. You aren't fighting for your country, an idea, freedom, revolution, etc. You are fighting to survive. Betrayal is unfortunately a human condition that all of us possess, and all of us have a breaking point. Some of us that breaking point is death, we would die before we betray someone else, but other people not so much. When you have nothing to look forward to, I bet a lot of people would just go bat-gak crazy. Then what? Do you kill your friend before they cause irreversible damage to your group if they go crazy? You going to be able to put your best buddies down when they get bitten? What happens when no rations are left to be evenly distributed, you going to all suffer together or is someone going to volunteer to get shafted? You put humans in life or death situation and you will get a dynamic set of results. Some will just keel over and accept death, others will resist, some will go to extreme measures to killing everyone else to save their own skin. No matter how well you know someone, you will not know how they will react in such a situation.
I admit I am playing a devil's advocate role, but I think it is very naive to assume you have this ultimate group that you can just blindly trust, because given the opportunity that person could leave, steal, betray you, or worse if it benefits them in a manner that would ensure their survival.
corpsesarefun wrote:Nah, for me the point in zombies is the inescapable threat.
The slow, easily avoidable but inescapable death that comes due to your own mistakes that zombies bring is a beautiful metaphor for life and so nobody should survive it.
Well...of course ultimantly no one will make it out alive, but that's life isn't it?
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Again this is situational, of course everyone has their breaking point, and of course if you get down to ten people with one can of beans left between them your going to see a lot of ut throat mentality develop...
My perspective is to attempt to not find myself in those situations, ensuring a group is capable of sustaining itself ( Hunting/fishing/growing food) and consisting of those who would be assets rather than burdens...
But of course, if any situation becomes bleak enough I suppose anyone would revert to reptilian thinking.
Reading this thread, made me realize that FITZZ has a wealth of zombie APOC knowledge. Which made me realize that he obviously things about it more then I do (which is alot) So naturally this little skit popped into my head
FITZZ band member 1 : Aww damn guys.... Ive been writing for days and STILL cant think of any good tunes FITZZ strums a guitar : Well when Zdaaaaaaay comes.... Ill be ready, because Ill have a silo in the grouuuuuuund FITZZ band member 2 : Christ not this again
FITZZ mom at family get together: Dammit, we burned the hotdogs, anyone got a FITZZ : Its ok ma, Ive got plenty of those in my Zombie APOC storage locker, I can spare some FITZZ mom : christ not this again FITZZ girlfriend : Seriously FITZZ....... I think we should have more kids..... FITZZ : Yea we do, I wasnt sure who to trust manning the shotgun with door breacher rounds, nice one hunny FITZZ g/f : christ not this again
Funny how fast things like that go through your head
KingCracker wrote:Reading this thread, made me realize that FITZZ has a wealth of zombie APOC knowledge. Which made me realize that he obviously things about it more then I do (which is alot) So naturally this little skit popped into my head
FITZZ band member 1 : Aww damn guys.... Ive been writing for days and STILL cant think of any good tunes
FITZZ strums a guitar : Well when Zdaaaaaaay comes.... Ill be ready, because Ill have a silo in the grouuuuuuund
FITZZ band member 2 : Christ not this again
FITZZ mom at family get together: Dammit, we burned the hotdogs, anyone got a
FITZZ : Its ok ma, Ive got plenty of those in my Zombie APOC storage locker, I can spare some
FITZZ mom : christ not this again
FITZZ girlfriend : Seriously FITZZ....... I think we should have more kids.....
FITZZ : Yea we do, I wasnt sure who to trust manning the shotgun with door breacher rounds, nice one hunny
FITZZ g/f : christ not this again
Funny how fast things like that go through your head
oh man thats funny. i can see him doing that to after everything ive seen in this thread. also funny how he runs a RP about undead to.
Yea hes got the sickness there. But thats a good thing. I thought my brothers and I have thought of everything so far, but thanks to his wizardry, Ive learned more, which will only prolong my life
KingCracker wrote:Yea hes got the sickness there. But thats a good thing. I thought my brothers and I have thought of everything so far, but thanks to his wizardry, Ive learned more, which will only prolong my life
Exactly...
What's funny is that your skits weren't to far from true...I've found myself involved in " zombie conversations" and mussing over different " What if's" at some very odd times...at work with co-workers, Thanksgiving diner...once while waiting to board a plane ( this was with a complette stranger.)....yeah, I suppose zombies do factor heavily in my thought process....
Also, My Missus and I actually have had a " Zombies and the kids" talk...which started because I want to teach my Son how to shoot...
Her: He's to young...
Me: I was younger than he is when my Uncle first taught me to shoot a gun..
Her: I don't care...he's still to young.
Me: Fine...when the zombies show up don't say I didn't try to prepare him...
Her: You need therapy...
EDIT:....
The Missus and I also had a fairly interesting " discussion" over these...
Her: " You want to spend almost three hundred dollars for zombie Barbie dolls..?"
Me : " They're not Barbie dolls...look at them...they're cool as hell."
Her : " it's a bunch of dead Ken dolls...overpriced dead Ken dolls."
Me: " You just don't get it..."
Her: " I get that you need therapy...forget about the dead Barbies...go paint some of your little men."
corpsesarefun wrote:Nah, for me the point in zombies is the inescapable threat.
The slow, easily avoidable but inescapable death that comes due to your own mistakes that zombies bring is a beautiful metaphor for life and so nobody should survive it.
Well...of course ultimantly no one will make it out alive, but that's life isn't it?
Automatically Appended Next Post: @ Crom...
Again this is situational, of course everyone has their breaking point, and of course if you get down to ten people with one can of beans left between them your going to see a lot of ut throat mentality develop...
My perspective is to attempt to not find myself in those situations, ensuring a group is capable of sustaining itself ( Hunting/fishing/growing food) and consisting of those who would be assets rather than burdens...
But of course, if any situation becomes bleak enough I suppose anyone would revert to reptilian thinking.
Yeah that is why I said we need to define apocalypse, since in the sense of the word it means the end of everything. No resources abundant and/or clean for you to use/consume. The places that are able to sustain life are either going to be very harsh, remote, or possibly already claimed. Zombies will eventually be everywhere, according to the zombie survival guide.
You find a fishing pond and you fish on it with out over fishing it. That way the fish reproduce and you can live and the fish can sustain, but other survivors also find it or the undead show up. I mean I can think of 100s of places to go to fish and live off the land with in a 300 mile radius of where I live, which means there are thousands, or tens of thousands (perhaps 100s of thousands) of people besides me that also know this.
Then again when the gak hits the fan, most likely most giant cities will succumb.
corpsesarefun wrote:Nah, for me the point in zombies is the inescapable threat.
The slow, easily avoidable but inescapable death that comes due to your own mistakes that zombies bring is a beautiful metaphor for life and so nobody should survive it.
Well...of course ultimantly no one will make it out alive, but that's life isn't it?
Automatically Appended Next Post: @ Crom...
Again this is situational, of course everyone has their breaking point, and of course if you get down to ten people with one can of beans left between them your going to see a lot of ut throat mentality develop...
My perspective is to attempt to not find myself in those situations, ensuring a group is capable of sustaining itself ( Hunting/fishing/growing food) and consisting of those who would be assets rather than burdens...
But of course, if any situation becomes bleak enough I suppose anyone would revert to reptilian thinking.
Yeah that is why I said we need to define apocalypse, since in the sense of the word it means the end of everything. No resources abundant and/or clean for you to use/consume. The places that are able to sustain life are either going to be very harsh, remote, or possibly already claimed. Zombies will eventually be everywhere, according to the zombie survival guide.
You find a fishing pond and you fish on it with out over fishing it. That way the fish reproduce and you can live and the fish can sustain, but other survivors also find it or the undead show up. I mean I can think of 100s of places to go to fish and live off the land with in a 300 mile radius of where I live, which means there are thousands, or tens of thousands (perhaps 100s of thousands) of people besides me that also know this.
Then again when the gak hits the fan, most likely most giant cities will succumb.
Yeah, perhaps an exact definition is in order, as for the most part the discussion is centering around " outbreak/ uprising" and not a total " everything is gone/collapse."..
Now, having read ZSG and WWZ repeatedly, it seems to me that both books , though " Apocalyptic", focus a great deal on mankind overcoming and surviving the hordes of zombies ( though of course much of humanity doesn't make it.)...
In most of the scenerios I muse about, I think along lines of survival...what would be the best way(s) of ensuring existance, both of myself and family, and of the species as well....
But again, even I'll admit that of course situations may arise in which your simply damned if you do and damned if you don't....in which case ..I'd opt to go out fighting.
Hooah. When it comes down to that, how many of them can I make die will be the number that counts. The lives of my family and myself (and I include close friends as family) are not cheap. I'm going to get a high price if at all possible. The trick is to make that price too high to be worth while.
I really do recommend staying the hell away from bases, if the bases don't get overrun their most likely going to be packed to the brim with families of those stationed there. And not to mention, your not getting into one of those Armories/Arms Rooms. Even if you knew where to look.
There is a reason every building looks the same (and is normally that ugly shade of brown) it's so people don't know where the important buildings are at, or where items are kept.
You'd be better off with a Police Station, though I don't really condone looting unless everyone is really and truly dead (like say 28 Days) and not to mention, once the initial shock is over the Federal .Gov will have their plans.
Though, be for I got out of the military I actually created a Zombie Outbreak checklist, we use them for everything (I was a Cop/Security) I named it something ridiculous like NecoRegenerative Viral Containment Failure I slipped it in the book my last day right near the ones on what to do if a Nuke get's stolen and things like that.
Army bases will be more likely to attract zombie swarms due to all the noise they will be making, meaning the surrounding area will be much more dangerous. If you have an urban base, you could perhaps use this to your advantage by making shelter in the surrounding buildings and hope that the noise and activity of the base covers your of your own.
Though this is obviously a dangerous tactic.
And that if you get found you can get help from the base/seek shelter there
I still think we should build an airship and a fortified camp, i even thought about water, we dig abig well
we need:
5 farmers to maintain the Farm within the walls
1 leader/lead engineer to manage the whole thing
3 builders/engineers to build the houses and the airship
5 good shooters for true soldiering the rest can act as militia
1 teacher to teach new kids everything
1 docter (duh)
about 5 airship crew to man the Blimp/airship for supplies unobtainable at farm
law enforcement
and 20 versatile people to help with whatever's neccesary.
then we need:
a wall
Police/headquarters
landing pad
airship
housing/huts/shelter
big farmfields
well(s)
the plan is to build this in a big open area build from local scrap, rig tents and metal to an airship we can use for travel and looting neccesary supplies without getting overzombied(see earlier post)
then get farms with seeds to start new food production build housing from wood/scrapmetal and stones and a townhall for registering storing and law enforcement.
plus a landing zone for the airship.
And I have 8 years of Military doing Law Enforcement, did Perimeter Security and Construction (weird I know) in Afghanistan, ran Convoys in Iraq, and am now a Nursing student. I also reload my own ammo and shoot alot in my free time which slot do I get to fill?
And I have 8 years of Military doing Law Enforcement, did Perimeter Security and Construction (weird I know) in Afghanistan, ran Convoys in Iraq, and am now a Nursing student. I also reload my own ammo and shoot alot in my free time which slot do I get to fill?
I suppose I better pick, otherwise I'll show up and you guys are gonna go
"Wait, ain't you that cocky prick?"
"Ermm, no no, you see what happened was..."
"Your the new outhouse cleaner! Here is your tooth brush, ohh and tonight is chili night"
Sckitzo wrote:I suppose I better pick, otherwise I'll show up and you guys are gonna go
"Wait, ain't you that cocky prick?"
"Ermm, no no, you see what happened was..."
"Your the new outhouse cleaner! Here is your tooth brush, ohh and tonight is chili night"
Juniperius wrote:I still think we should build an airship and a fortified camp, i even thought about water, we dig abig well
we need:
5 farmers to maintain the Farm within the walls
1 leader/lead engineer to manage the whole thing
3 builders/engineers to build the houses and the airship
5 good shooters for true soldiering the rest can act as militia
1 teacher to teach new kids everything
1 docter (duh)
about 5 airship crew to man the Blimp/airship for supplies unobtainable at farm
law enforcement
and 20 versatile people to help with whatever's neccesary.
then we need:
a wall
Police/headquarters
landing pad
airship
housing/huts/shelter
big farmfields
well(s)
the plan is to build this in a big open area build from local scrap, rig tents and metal to an airship we can use for travel and looting neccesary supplies without getting overzombied(see earlier post)
then get farms with seeds to start new food production build housing from wood/scrapmetal and stones and a townhall for registering storing and law enforcement.
plus a landing zone for the airship.
Still not convinced about the usage of airships, seems like more trouble than their worth, a few transport helicopters could be used for much of the same things you'd utilize airships for, with out all the hassle...but that's just my opinion.
As far as your " duty rouster", I personally believe that everyone within the "complex/base" should have a working knowledge of farming/hunting/fishing/ shooting/ engine repair/ construction/ basic first aid, then you would have your specialist who oversee each needed posistion ( Doctor(s).Mechanics,Farmers, etc).
Don't see much use for a "police force", though a security team makes sense.
Still not convinced about the usage of airships, seems like more trouble than their worth, a few transport helicopters could be used for much of the same things you'd utilize airships for, with out all the hassle...but that's just my opinion.
As far as your " duty rouster", I personally believe that everyone within the "complex/base" should have a working knowledge of farming/hunting/fishing/ shooting/ engine repair/ construction/ basic first aid, then you would have your specialist who oversee each needed posistion ( Doctor(s).Mechanics,Farmers, etc).
Don't see much use for a "police force", though a security team makes sense.
And I have 8 years of Military doing Law Enforcement, did Perimeter Security and Construction (weird I know) in Afghanistan, ran Convoys in Iraq, and am now a Nursing student. I also reload my own ammo and shoot alot in my free time which slot do I get to fill?
good here's a gun, now get to work!!
guess what job i would like?
If it has engines to spin props to guide it it makes noise. Or are you intending to be completely at the mercy of the wind and weather? If so, you are gonna be screwed.
If it has engines to spin props to guide it it makes noise. Or are you intending to be completely at the mercy of the wind and weather? If so, you are gonna be screwed.
Jake
Sorry i typed that wrong i meant it is relatively more silent than a helicopter.
CptJake wrote:In a post apocalyptic world, any engine running is gonna be noticed. In a world where folks shoot at you, an airship makes a big, slow target.
I think I would prefer to stay on foot or on the horses.
Jake
people don't shoot at you for random reasons, why would they?
but against gunfire it's quite weak, I must agree.
You have just been promoted to head master of the cavalry.
you canm get lightweight supplies,
Just now thought it, our airship could also fly on garbage
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
— Robert A. Heinlein
As for Helo's, I disagree, a small commercial bird, takes about $1,000 USD to operate, per hour. And not to mention, the insane amount of maintenance one takes to run, even assuming you had a pilot. You start getting into military class birds such as the Pave-Low, your talking about $10,000 per flight hour.
And, fuel will be worthless 3-6mo after it's produced, you may get 12, 18 at the most with a stabilizer such as Stabil. Alternate fuels are going to be a must unless you plan on refining your own crude.
And I have 8 years of Military doing Law Enforcement, did Perimeter Security and Construction (weird I know) in Afghanistan, ran Convoys in Iraq, and am now a Nursing student. I also reload my own ammo and shoot alot in my free time which slot do I get to fill?
You get to fill the swiss army knife slot. The guy that can and does everything, even open cans.................OF WHOOP ASS!
Somebody fell asleep on guard duty..?...Sckitzo???
I was on Guard Duty? I thought I was doing Surgery tonight?!
Surgery? YOUR NOT A DOCTOR
Tell that to my Patient!
What Patient??!
*hold up a coyote head sewn to baby Seal* This Patient, his name is Bill
Somebody fell asleep on guard duty..?...Sckitzo???
I was on Guard Duty? I thought I was doing Surgery tonight?!
Surgery? YOUR NOT A DOCTOR
Tell that to my Patient!
What Patient??!
*hold up a coyote head sewn to baby Seal* This Patient, his name is Bill
hey! give me back bill! hes my brother,so i should be the one taking care of him!
Somebody fell asleep on guard duty..?...Sckitzo???
I was on Guard Duty? I thought I was doing Surgery tonight?!
Surgery? YOUR NOT A DOCTOR
Tell that to my Patient!
What Patient??!
*hold up a coyote head sewn to baby Seal* This Patient, his name is Bill
Somebody fell asleep on guard duty..?...Sckitzo???
I was on Guard Duty? I thought I was doing Surgery tonight?!
Surgery? YOUR NOT A DOCTOR
Tell that to my Patient!
What Patient??!
*hold up a coyote head sewn to baby Seal* This Patient, his name is Bill
Somebody fell asleep on guard duty..?...Sckitzo???
I was on Guard Duty? I thought I was doing Surgery tonight?!
Surgery? YOUR NOT A DOCTOR
Tell that to my Patient!
What Patient??!
*hold up a coyote head sewn to baby Seal* This Patient, his name is Bill
Patient..?...I thought you were making lunch.
Lunch?
*hands you Bill*
...As I've stated in many a thread, I'm a certified coonass....you put enough hot sauce on it...I'll eat it.
Solar charged by panels on the upper surface, electric motors for propellers, wing shape for extra lift, better maneuvering, etc, central hold for stability.
Solar charged by panels on the upper surface, electric motors for propellers, wing shape for extra lift, better maneuvering, etc, central hold for stability.
I was acyually meaning a more fantasylike wood-metal type airship build form materials that can be scavenged from a wall-mart.
equipped with an steamboler engine, coupled to a small turbine and gear shitfts to the propeller, this allows it to run on random flammable stuff.
Solar charged by panels on the upper surface, electric motors for propellers, wing shape for extra lift, better maneuvering, etc, central hold for stability.
Interesting, assume they have a fuel backup?
I need to get more solar panels, where I live we could run the entire state most likely almost year round...
Juniperius wrote:I was acyually meaning a more fantasylike wood-metal type airship build form materials that can be scavenged from a wall-mart.
equipped with an steamboler engine, coupled to a small turbine and gear shitfts to the propeller, this allows it to run on random flammable stuff.
The problem with "hot air" style craft is that they are usually slow, hard to maneuver and are generally a right pain in the ass. A steam boiler of sufficient output to power a hot air balloon (assuming you are using some of the heat/energy generated to keep the craft aloft) would be prohibitively large, heavy, and too dangerous. Not to mention the mass and space required for the fuel.
Your best bet would be electric motors powered by solar or wind up mechanisms and a battery pack to drive propellers, and either alcohol burners or a lighter than air gas bags to produce lift.
Regards the solar powered air ships - I don't know about their backups. I know Lockheed Martin have a prototype but I've not been keeping up with it. I understand this kind of concept has been around for a while - I'm sure I heard about it as a serious design about 10 years ago?
Juniperius wrote:I was acyually meaning a more fantasylike wood-metal type airship build form materials that can be scavenged from a wall-mart.
equipped with an steamboler engine, coupled to a small turbine and gear shitfts to the propeller, this allows it to run on random flammable stuff.
The problem with "hot air" style craft is that they are usually slow, hard to maneuver and are generally a right pain in the ass. A steam boiler of sufficient output to power a hot air balloon (assuming you are using some of the heat/energy generated to keep the craft aloft) would be prohibitively large, heavy, and too dangerous. Not to mention the mass and space required for the fuel.
Your best bet would be electric motors powered by solar or wind up mechanisms and a battery pack to drive propellers, and either alcohol burners or a lighter than air gas bags to produce lift.
Regards the solar powered air ships - I don't know about their backups. I know Lockheed Martin have a prototype but I've not been keeping up with it. I understand this kind of concept has been around for a while - I'm sure I heard about it as a serious design about 10 years ago?
Juniperius wrote:good luck finding that during an apocalypse!!
Haha! I did engineering at university... give me some good local knowledge of where to find materials, a workshop and a couple of mechanics and I could probably rig something up.
iproxtaco wrote:I think the guy in UP had the right idea.
I really don't
Anyone wanting more info on airships can check out this PDF. Not amazing, but the last few pages show a few of the technical issues in crayon level explanation
That guy has a better chance of survival than anyone. As well as having a flying house, he has a boyscout with nigh unlimited survival knowledge, and a crafty street-smart talking dog to help him if he were ever to run in to other survivors.
Solar charged by panels on the upper surface, electric motors for propellers, wing shape for extra lift, better maneuvering, etc, central hold for stability.
I was acyually meaning a more fantasylike wood-metal type airship build form materials that can be scavenged from a wall-mart.
equipped with an steamboler engine, coupled to a small turbine and gear shitfts to the propeller, this allows it to run on random flammable stuff.
So not only are you going with the airship idea which is at best impractical but you also thow any attempts at making an airship vaguely realistic, or even possible, out of the window.
Juniperius wrote:
good luck finding that during an apocalypse!!
Then you say someone else is being unrealistic, I genuinely lol'd.
Well, after quickly re-skimming The Zombie Survival Guide it would seem as though Airships do indeed get the thumbs up as viable transportation..( Page 119 for those of you with a copy).
Perhaps I may have to re-think my initial resistance to the idea..but it still seems like a great deal of effort to me.
FITZZ wrote: Well, after quickly re-skimming The Zombie Survival Guide it would seem as though Airships do indeed get the thumbs up as viable transportation..( Page 119 for those of you with a copy).
Perhaps I may have to re-think my initial resistance to the idea..but it still seems like a great deal of effort to me.
to be honest i can see why....kinda. it would be less loud than a helicopter and possibly more room. other than that not much i can think of.
and why am i not surprised you have a book like that...you probably own several.
FITZZ wrote: Well, after quickly re-skimming The Zombie Survival Guide it would seem as though Airships do indeed get the thumbs up as viable transportation..( Page 119 for those of you with a copy).
Perhaps I may have to re-think my initial resistance to the idea..but it still seems like a great deal of effort to me.
to be honest i can see why....kinda. it would be less loud than a helicopter and possibly more room. other than that not much i can think of.
and why am i not surprised you have a book like that...you probably own several.
Well, yes..my "Zombie Library" wouldn't be complete without a copy of The Zombie Survival Guide"...in fact..if you don't own a copy I suggest you go out and purchase one...the life you save may be your own.
FITZZ wrote: Well, after quickly re-skimming The Zombie Survival Guide it would seem as though Airships do indeed get the thumbs up as viable transportation..( Page 119 for those of you with a copy).
Perhaps I may have to re-think my initial resistance to the idea..but it still seems like a great deal of effort to me.
to be honest i can see why....kinda. it would be less loud than a helicopter and possibly more room. other than that not much i can think of.
and why am i not surprised you have a book like that...you probably own several.
Well, yes..my "Zombie Library" wouldn't be complete without a copy of The Zombie Survival Guide"...in fact..if you don't own a copy I suggest you go out and purchase one...the life you save may be your own.
zombie library? dang... and id go buy it if i could,but i dont even know were a local book store is. ill get it when i can though.
anyways,what would you do if you came face to face with someone you cared about,but they were now a zombie?
id blow their brains out and laugh all the while...then spit on their corpse.
ZSG is a fun read, but the authors understanding of weapons made my brain hurt. Especially the bit about Thermobarics and how they don't work or the "hurp depr a .22 is the bestest gun!" Ya, it is for shooting vermin.
For those of you that can, go shoot a coconut with a .22, next have someone throw the coconut at you and try to shoot it, you'll see what I mean
It also doesn't help that most of the book is basically "get lots of gunz!"
Thanks for that - a country where guns are reasonably hard to come by.
Regards the airship thing - it has limited uses, but is not useless. It would certainly not be my first "must have" project. Indeed, I would not recommend it unless you were with a sizable group of people (say, 50-100?) where supplies are likely to be stretched more, and where you are more likely to have people skilled in areas you need and so some kind of quiet, reliable craft for flying out to get supplies or looking at the surrounding area would be handy.
SilverMK2 wrote:It also doesn't help that most of the book is basically "get lots of gunz!"
Thanks for that - a country where guns are reasonably hard to come by.
Regards the airship thing - it has limited uses, but is not useless. It would certainly not be my first "must have" project. Indeed, I would not recommend it unless you were with a sizable group of people (say, 50-100?) where supplies are likely to be stretched more, and where you are more likely to have people skilled in areas you need and so some kind of quiet, reliable craft for flying out to get supplies or looking at the surrounding area would be handy.
Yeah, ZSG does have a decidedly "American" slant to it, and as Sckitzo pointed out some of Brook's research could have been a bit better....but,still a fun read.
@ Commissar Klimino... ...Internet Bravado aside...I find it difficult to believe you would shoot a loved on in the head and then laugh about it and spit on their remains, and if you actually could...then clearly you'd be a liability to have around.
If faced with the situation of having to destroy a loved one/ friend who's become infected ...I'd have no choice but to put them down, both out of self preservation and due to the fact I'd not want them to continue in such a state,but I'm sure it would deeply effect me...there's no way I could terminate a family member and not go a bit crazy.
FITZZ wrote: @ Commissar Klimino... ...Internet Bravado aside...I find it difficult to believe you would shoot a loved on in the head and then laugh about it and spit on their remains, and if you actually could...then clearly you'd be a liability to have around.
If faced with the situation of having to destroy a loved one/ friend who's become infected ...I'd have no choice but to put them down, both out of self preservation and due to the fact I'd not want them to continue in such a state,but I'm sure it would deeply effect me...there's no way I could terminate a family member and not go a bit crazy.
No crap. Putting down one of our pets and then digging the hole and burying it gets to me. I can, and have done it, and will again, but hate it. To do that to a human family member or buddy would just suck.
An idea I have been kicking around with the whole zombie thing is renewable energy. Solar panels, wind mills, etc. Granted things like batteries and capacitors have a short life span and technology wise they really aren't anywhere they should be for a long duration of our main power sources. Though, if you could have it set up you could have heating and AC, hot running water, and basically have the greatest set up post apocalypse.
Though I am still a fan of not staying in any one place too long. Eventually the living or the undead will find you and if you become too dependent on one specific place it will be your undoing. Unless you outlast the apocalypse and then need to rebuild society.
dajobe wrote:Go to a small town near a military base, that way you can raid the base for munitions and supplies (which they have lots of) and wont have to worry about zombie soldiers shooting you because they dont use guns, clear out the town of zombies, then clear the base of zombies, and you are set for a long time.
Yeah, because none of it will have been issued out to trained soldiers and or guarded by trained soldiers who may not like looters. If the troops are gone (say deployed to fight the undead somewhere, or to control looters), what are the chances they left a lot of weapons and ammo laying about when they left?
Additionally, unless you have a good deal of explosives and the knowledge on how to prepare and set breaching charges, good luck opening the arms rooms and ammo storage bunkers. You'll have better luck looting pawn and gun shops and WalMart for your ammo and guns.
Jake (who happens to live near a couple bases, and has lived near or on bases for the last 20 some years).
Have to chime in with my fellow Captain here, attempting to "loot" a military base would fall into a "last resort, only if unpopulated" plan...
If the base was still maned one should either avoid it (plenty of ammo/weapons/etc still laying about in small civilian areas) or offer to assist the soldiers already present ( depending on the situation).
Raiding an unsupported base would most likely be a more effort than return situation, as Capt. Jake pointed out.
i was assuming the base would be empty, if it is still manned, then of course offer to help or just stay nearby, i left certain parts of my thinking out of text...srry, was not clear enough.
SilverMK2 wrote:Regards the airship thing - it has limited uses, but is not useless. It would certainly not be my first "must have" project. Indeed, I would not recommend it unless you were with a sizable group of people (say, 50-100?) where supplies are likely to be stretched more, and where you are more likely to have people skilled in areas you need and so some kind of quiet, reliable craft for flying out to get supplies or looking at the surrounding area would be handy.
Yay that's what i was thinking and you got it, oh and thanks for the enlightning info.
CptJake wrote:That's okay. I'm sure the troopers at the base you try to loot will split up anything of value you had.
like i said,i wont raid a base until its weak. or ill kill them from the shadows when they exit there lil base
you're not right...in the head...are you...?
For the first time I agree with you Frazzled. That was just....disgusting.
ok i can understand stupid for going up against armed trained military soldiers,but disgusting? even not right in the head makes more since to me. i just dont see how that was disgusting. stupid,idiotic,etc i can understand.
Waiting until people are weak then backstabbig them is pretty disgusting behavior to be honest.
You also seem to forget about the actual zomies... as soon as the military base is weak enough for you to somehow defeat them (how will you prevent yourself from becoming just as weak by the way? as they have many times more training, supplies and weapons than you it seems that it is unlikely they would give first...) the zombies will overrun the base and it will be useless to you.
corpsesarefun wrote:Waiting until people are weak then backstabbig them is pretty disgusting behavior to be honest.
You also seem to forget about the actual zomies... as soon as the military base is weak enough for you to somehow defeat them (how will you prevent yourself from becoming just as weak by the way? as they have many times more training, supplies and weapons than you it seems that it is unlikely they would give first...) the zombies will overrun the base and it will be useless to you.
1st. ill admit it is cowardly,but its nothing people today dont do, and its the Apocalypse,ill do anything to survive.
2nd. most bases have a ground gate and a big yard area. ill be up on a roof or something using ladders and the such so ill be able to keep a few more supplies and a home base. while bases also might have high areas to that ground area is were the zombies will come from anyways.
3rd.you got me there.but it wont be that useless. zombies can easily be drawn out. use a dog or loud noise at the gate to draw most of tem out,then swoop in and loot whats left,which most likely will be something.
corpsesarefun wrote:Waiting until people are weak then backstabbig them is pretty disgusting behavior to be honest.
You also seem to forget about the actual zomies... as soon as the military base is weak enough for you to somehow defeat them (how will you prevent yourself from becoming just as weak by the way? as they have many times more training, supplies and weapons than you it seems that it is unlikely they would give first...) the zombies will overrun the base and it will be useless to you.
2nd. most bases have a ground gate and a big yard area. ill be up on a roof or something using ladders and the such so ill be able to keep a few more supplies and a home base. while bases also might have high areas to that ground area is were the zombies will come from anyways.
3rd.you got me there.but it wont be that useless. zombies can easily be drawn out. use a dog or loud noise at the gate to draw most of tem out,then swoop in and loot whats left,which most likely will be something.
2. You are aware that a military base will have guards right? you cant just hide on their roof and live there...
3. You also underestimate how many zombies there would be in this level of invasion, we are talking total infrastructure collapse and the death of the majority of humans (who will mostly turn into zombies), you cannot distract hundreds of zombies with a dog and even if you did then what? you still have hundreds of zombies to deal with...
corpsesarefun wrote:Waiting until people are weak then backstabbig them is pretty disgusting behavior to be honest.
You also seem to forget about the actual zomies... as soon as the military base is weak enough for you to somehow defeat them (how will you prevent yourself from becoming just as weak by the way? as they have many times more training, supplies and weapons than you it seems that it is unlikely they would give first...) the zombies will overrun the base and it will be useless to you.
2nd. most bases have a ground gate and a big yard area. ill be up on a roof or something using ladders and the such so ill be able to keep a few more supplies and a home base. while bases also might have high areas to that ground area is were the zombies will come from anyways.
3rd.you got me there.but it wont be that useless. zombies can easily be drawn out. use a dog or loud noise at the gate to draw most of tem out,then swoop in and loot whats left,which most likely will be something.
2. You are aware that a military base will have guards right? you cant just hide on their roof and live there...
3. You also underestimate how many zombies there would be in this level of invasion, we are talking total infrastructure collapse and the death of the majority of humans (who will mostly turn into zombies), you cannot distract hundreds of zombies with a dog and even if you did then what? you still have hundreds of zombies to deal with...
2.nononono,i mean not on the base,far (ish) away on roofs of normal houses or business building. or just 2nd floor of a house with the stairs removed or overly barricaded.
3.true,lots of zombies,so big distration and cause all the guards are dead id be scalling the walls or something. fast and easy. not like im expecting to find a minigun lying around at this point anyways.
I think the disgusting comment was more directed towards your flippant attitude towards murder of people who are just trying to their job and overall, are on the same side as you. Were talking about Zombies here, not some one man terrorist/insurgent army fighting off a evil empire/invading force/Aliens.
Also, and I'd like to point out, most of today's armed forces are USED to fighting against those sorts of attacks, it's what we know and do for a job. Unless you have some training in a Al Qaeda/Chechnyan/IRA/Whatever camp your not telling us about, you stand a snowballs chance in hell of doing anything besides pissing off a few people before you get smoked.
Sckitzo wrote:I think the disgusting comment was more directed towards your flippant attitude towards murder of people who are just trying to their job and overall, are on the same side as you. Were talking about Zombies here, not some one man terrorist/insurgent army fighting off a evil empire/invading force/Aliens.
Also, and I'd like to point out, most of today's armed forces are USED to fighting against those sorts of attacks, it's what we know and do for a job. Unless you have some training in a Al Qaeda/Chechnyan/IRA/Whatever camp your not telling us about, you stand a snowballs chance in hell of doing anything besides pissing off a few people before you get smoked.
meh.its the end of the world. limited supplies. dont know them. understand? even a little?
oh i wish.dont we all wish to have training like that? and hence the wait part ive said before and all that.
Sckitzo wrote:I can follow your train of thought, I don't agree with it, but I understand it.
I think your just massively underestimating what your proposing.
But still, there will always be Raiders and Looters in every PAW situation, so I can't say I'm surprised.
ok. i understand how you would be against it. when the end comes about,good luck to you and your base full of soldiers ill be out with my little group probably annoying you guys to the limit with all are looting.
Sckitzo wrote:Ohh and as for training (since I think everyone can benefit) look into companies like McMillian, Blackwater, Front Sight, Gun Site, ect ect.
Their pricey as hell though, but if you look hard enough, you may have a local company.
huh,cool.ok. i have shot gun training,so ill be good when it comes to close zombie attacks. well,as good as you can get when they are that close.
You ain't gonna annoy me man, I'm done with that stuff.
Just be careful who your stealing from though, especially here in the States, I know I'll protect me and mine, but I have the equipment to do it, and the supplies set up where I won't need to attack random groups of people for a can of spam.
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lord commissar klimino wrote:
Sckitzo wrote:Ohh and as for training (since I think everyone can benefit) look into companies like McMillian, Blackwater, Front Sight, Gun Site, ect ect.
Their pricey as hell though, but if you look hard enough, you may have a local company.
huh,cool.ok. i have shot gun training,so ill be good when it comes to close zombie attacks. well,as good as you can get when they are that close.
Define "training" have you taken a professional level course geared towards Military/LEO/PMC? Or did you go to the range/woods and fire off a few shells with some buddies?
Both have their merit, I go out in the desert and shoot about 500 rounds a month (not lately...as it's a 115 out) to try and keep fresh a bit, saving up the cash for some real courses though, but their normally a few grand, plus a few grand worth of ammo...then travel cost.
Sckitzo wrote:You ain't gonna annoy me man, I'm done with that stuff.
Just be careful who your stealing from though, especially here in the States, I know I'll protect me and mine, but I have the equipment to do it, and the supplies set up where I won't need to attack random groups of people for a can of spam.
hu? you wouldnt be at a military base if it all happens...wait thats smart,nevermind
and i will. come on end times,im kinda but not to sure but still think im sorta ready! bring on the zombies!
Automatically Appended Next Post: oh,shooting with buddies more like it. got decent before i stopped going regularly. im 16,not way id be in the military...if i was im sure you would start questioning America alot more.
Hah, not surprised, yet, but don't want to go into a paranoid rant so leave it at that.
I'm not even sure if I would have went to base when I was Active Duty, sure as the hell wouldn't now. I'll take my chances with the preps I've made and the people I know.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Though for fun, here is a pic of my anit-Zed load out (it's also my range time fun )
Sckitzo wrote:Hah, not surprised, yet, but don't want to go into a paranoid rant so leave it at that.
I'm not even sure if I would have went to base when I was Active Duty, sure as the hell wouldn't now. I'll take my chances with the preps I've made and the people I know.
yeah,i live very near my 2 best friends. one is an insane freak who know lots of helpful stuff...along with stuff that makes me kinda sick. but he will be a good person to be around. my other friend might be a liability cause if you think im bad (as in zombie knowledge wise and guns and all that) then you will facepalm at him. he is ok with melee weapons though,so maybe not worthless.
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Though for fun, here is a pic of my anit-Zed load out (it's also my range time fun )
Ever since I have psychological training i would survive, because my friends and i have developed a plan, we are going to use the park in our area which has a giant water tower and its 70 miles away from the city and 3 miles away from the towns. And is completely surrounded by forests and plains. basically all open lands there.
A few of my friends are hot shot hunters. so they plan on completey destroying parts of the forest and building a fort. Suprising one of them has already started..... Hes very paranoid he is a black smith. He is a Red Neck, he has shown me his armory.... Omg it is huge. And this IS NORTHERN ILLIONIS!
Asherian Command wrote:Ever since I have psychological training i would survive, because my friends and i have developed a plan, we are going to use the park in our area which has a giant water tower and its 70 miles away from the city and 3 miles away from the towns. And is completely surrounded by forests and plains. basically all open lands there.
A few of my friends are hot shot hunters. so they plan on completey destroying parts of the forest and building a fort. Suprising one of them has already started..... Hes very paranoid he is a black smith. He is a Red Neck, he has shown me his armory.... Omg it is huge. And this IS NORTHERN ILLIONIS!
good plan. like mine only less work.and you alreay have a ledder...and good shots who know who to use a rifle....
Sckitzo wrote:No, Arizona
dang,stereotype didnt pull though for me.
coolyo294 wrote:There's summer in Alaska? Then screw it, I'm going to Antarctica.
coolyo294 wrote:There's summer in Alaska? Then screw it, I'm going to Antarctica.
good luck freezing your *ss off
Dude, I live in Minnesota. I'm an expert at freezing my ass off.
yeah,but thats nothing compared to Antarctica. hope you like having your frozen penguin stew stolen by polar bears. err,wait,i might be getting the poles mixed up. still, have fun in the cold to cold.
coolyo294 wrote:There's summer in Alaska? Then screw it, I'm going to Antarctica.
good luck freezing your *ss off
Dude, I live in Minnesota. I'm an expert at freezing my ass off.
yeah,but thats nothing compared to Antarctica. hope you like having your frozen penguin stew stolen by polar bears. err,wait,i might be getting the poles mixed up. still, have fun in the cold to cold.
while I was playing devil's advocate earlier about human nature, there are some basic points I would like to make about an apocalyptic even. In this case we need to assume that no place is going to be safe forever, and that no food source is going to be constant. Setting up a compound, farm, or whatever will draw attention and may not even be viable. Like if you are planning on living in a flood zone area, etc.
so the points:
-gun fire attracts zombies, stealth and avoidance is your best weapon
-stealth and avoidance is your best weapon against the living as well
-any government facility be it city hall, military base, schools, hospitals, etc are not going to be good safe houses
-Never let your guard down, even around those you believe you can trust this is the sad truth when it comes to survival in a post apocalypse world
-massing together is not really a good idea, the more people the larger the foot print, thus the more attraction you will gain
-technology that requires power is useless
-many common illnesses and injuries will equal death that normally would be easily treated
In the event of something so catastrophic as say an apocalypse scenario, the government will fall, once that is gone there is no longer a chain of command. The military will cease to exist, plus let's face it, the military will give up their duty and take care of their loved ones in that case. During such an event there are outside factors you should consider, is the zombie virus spreading to other animals, how does it affect the eco system? Everything is in tight balance and a drastic change to the ecosystem could produce all sorts of unwanted results.
So, you should probably plan for the absolute worst and hope for the best. If you aren't quite post apocalypse yet, you could probably get away with having your own compound or base of operations or what not, but come post apocalypse when all the damage is done that may not be there.
-gun fire attracts zombies, stealth and avoidance is your best weapon
-stealth and avoidance is your best weapon against the living as well
-any government facility be it city hall, military base, schools, hospitals, etc are not going to be good safe houses
-Never let your guard down, even around those you believe you can trust this is the sad truth when it comes to survival in a post apocalypse world -massing together is not really a good idea, the more people the larger the foot print, thus the more attraction you will gain
-technology that requires power is useless
-many common illnesses and injuries will equal death that normally would be easily treated
So here's my points that I would miss/would bone me over
-Not many pretty ladies at
-New books(Seriously I would hate never knowing how jim butcher would end the dresden files)
-Lack of refrigeration and salinization plants(would make food storage a b***h
-My inability to repair anything(I am one of those guys who couldnt fix 2 cogs and a rod)
-On that note how many of you know how to reload ammo,not me(I dont mean reload a gun, I mean making bullets etc.)
-Lack of showering(I hate feeling dried sweat)
Things that I would love:
Lack of decency-I feel like going out in nothing but a kilt, oh well its not like anyones going to see me
The ability to garner power-I'm a leo
Ability to test myself in the wilds
I wonder what the military would do ? Line everyone up against a wall and shoot them or try to help out? I think World War z portrayed the military pretty well.
Finding gas for my post apoc badass truck would be kinda hard. I've got all the guns I need (I live in the south, though I am not a redneck. I happen to have a bumper sticker that says "Liberals With Guns!". ) Also I have a reloader for shotgun shells, but not bullets.
I know a lot of plants and a few mushrooms that are edible, so food would be difficult, but not impossible to come by.
The biggest thing I would have trouble with I think is what the world had come to. I think I wouldn't have that much trouble actually surviving, really. I'd look around for bits of tech and stuff and store it away for when humanity came back
corpsesarefun wrote:Waiting until people are weak then backstabbig them is pretty disgusting behavior to be honest.
You also seem to forget about the actual zomies... as soon as the military base is weak enough for you to somehow defeat them (how will you prevent yourself from becoming just as weak by the way? as they have many times more training, supplies and weapons than you it seems that it is unlikely they would give first...) the zombies will overrun the base and it will be useless to you.
1st. ill admit it is cowardly,but its nothing people today dont do, and its the Apocalypse,ill do anything to survive.
2nd. most bases have a ground gate and a big yard area. ill be up on a roof or something using ladders and the such so ill be able to keep a few more supplies and a home base. while bases also might have high areas to that ground area is were the zombies will come from anyways.
3rd.you got me there.but it wont be that useless. zombies can easily be drawn out. use a dog or loud noise at the gate to draw most of tem out,then swoop in and loot whats left,which most likely will be something.
4th. Punctuation is not your enemy. You two can be friends!
corpsesarefun wrote:Waiting until people are weak then backstabbig them is pretty disgusting behavior to be honest.
You also seem to forget about the actual zomies... as soon as the military base is weak enough for you to somehow defeat them (how will you prevent yourself from becoming just as weak by the way? as they have many times more training, supplies and weapons than you it seems that it is unlikely they would give first...) the zombies will overrun the base and it will be useless to you.
1st. ill admit it is cowardly,but its nothing people today dont do, and its the Apocalypse,ill do anything to survive.
2nd. most bases have a ground gate and a big yard area. ill be up on a roof or something using ladders and the such so ill be able to keep a few more supplies and a home base. while bases also might have high areas to that ground area is were the zombies will come from anyways.
3rd.you got me there.but it wont be that useless. zombies can easily be drawn out. use a dog or loud noise at the gate to draw most of tem out,then swoop in and loot whats left,which most likely will be something.
4th. Punctuation is not your enemy. You two can be friends!
i have bad grammar and all that yes. im never going to. sorry.
corpsesarefun wrote:Corpseicles that freeze and then thaw to no ill effect... good luck for the summer mr coolyo, you will need it.
I know me some bears and wolves that are going to get damn fat from eating zombie burgers then.
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Frazzled wrote:
lord commissar klimino wrote:
corpsesarefun wrote:Waiting until people are weak then backstabbig them is pretty disgusting behavior to be honest.
You also seem to forget about the actual zomies... as soon as the military base is weak enough for you to somehow defeat them (how will you prevent yourself from becoming just as weak by the way? as they have many times more training, supplies and weapons than you it seems that it is unlikely they would give first...) the zombies will overrun the base and it will be useless to you.
1st. ill admit it is cowardly,but its nothing people today dont do, and its the Apocalypse,ill do anything to survive.
2nd. most bases have a ground gate and a big yard area. ill be up on a roof or something using ladders and the such so ill be able to keep a few more supplies and a home base. while bases also might have high areas to that ground area is were the zombies will come from anyways.
3rd.you got me there.but it wont be that useless. zombies can easily be drawn out. use a dog or loud noise at the gate to draw most of tem out,then swoop in and loot whats left,which most likely will be something.
4th. Punctuation is not your enemy. You two can be friends!
i have bad grammar and all that yes. im never going to. sorry.
According to the majority of the fiction the consumption of zombie flesh is leathal to most forms of life...
So any animal ( carrion) who eats zombie flesh would be dead in a matter of hours..
This condition is also used to explain a zombies longevity ...as most parasitic life forms ( who would under normal conditions reduce a corpse to bone in a matter of days/weeks) avoid consuming zombie flesh due to it's toxic nature.
FITZZ wrote: According to the majority of the fiction the consumption of zombie flesh is leathal to most forms of life...
So any animal ( carrion) who eats zombie flesh would be dead in a matter of hours..
This condition is also used to explain a zombies longevity ...as most parasitic life forms ( who would under normal conditions reduce a corpse to bone in a matter of days/weeks) avoid consuming zombie flesh due to it's toxic nature.
i was thinking along those line.thanks. also it seems zombies would eat animals to.
FITZZ wrote: According to the majority of the fiction the consumption of zombie flesh is leathal to most forms of life...
So any animal ( carrion) who eats zombie flesh would be dead in a matter of hours..
This condition is also used to explain a zombies longevity ...as most parasitic life forms ( who would under normal conditions reduce a corpse to bone in a matter of days/weeks) avoid consuming zombie flesh due to it's toxic nature.
i was thinking along those line.thanks. also it seems zombies would eat animals to.
Meh I don't recognize zombie "literature." If it didn't star Ving Rhames, begin with "they're coming to get you Barbara," or involve the efficacious use of a kricket bat it aint .
Besides with the new virus zombies they are just people and therefor more for the eating!
FITZZ wrote: According to the majority of the fiction the consumption of zombie flesh is leathal to most forms of life...
So any animal ( carrion) who eats zombie flesh would be dead in a matter of hours..
This condition is also used to explain a zombies longevity ...as most parasitic life forms ( who would under normal conditions reduce a corpse to bone in a matter of days/weeks) avoid consuming zombie flesh due to it's toxic nature.
i was thinking along those line.thanks. also it seems zombies would eat animals to.
Again, that depends on the fiction you read/watch...in some cases zombies will ignore any living thing that isn't human...in other films/books they will attack any living animal they can get hold of.
I lean towards the train of thought that zombies would attempt to consume any living flesh the come in contact with..but that the transferance of the virus only occurs in humans...for example, a dog that has been fed upon will simply die...whereas a human who has been fed upon would reanimate.
FITZZ wrote:Again, that depends on the fiction you read/watch...in some cases zombies will ignore any living thing that isn't human...in other films/books they will attack any living animal they can get hold of.
I lean towards the train of thought that zombies would attempt to consume any living flesh the come in contact with..but that the transferance of the virus only occurs in humans...for example, a dog that has been fed upon will simply die...whereas a human who has been fed upon would reanimate.
FITZZ wrote:Again, that depends on the fiction you read/watch...in some cases zombies will ignore any living thing that isn't human...in other films/books they will attack any living animal they can get hold of.
I lean towards the train of thought that zombies would attempt to consume any living flesh the come in contact with..but that the transferance of the virus only occurs in humans...for example, a dog that has been fed upon will simply die...whereas a human who has been fed upon would reanimate.
FITZZ wrote: According to the majority of the fiction the consumption of zombie flesh is leathal to most forms of life...
So any animal ( carrion) who eats zombie flesh would be dead in a matter of hours..
This condition is also used to explain a zombies longevity ...as most parasitic life forms ( who would under normal conditions reduce a corpse to bone in a matter of days/weeks) avoid consuming zombie flesh due to it's toxic nature.
i was thinking along those line.thanks. also it seems zombies would eat animals to.
Meh I don't recognize zombie "literature." If it didn't star Ving Rhames, begin with "they're coming to get you Barbara," or involve the efficacious use of a kricket bat it aint .
Besides with the new virus zombies they are just people and therefor more for the eating!
The flesh of the "new infected/not zombies but plague people" would still probably be toxic...look how fast the "Rage Virus" in 28 Days/Weeks later spread..it would stand to reason that " infected Humans" ( from that genre) would be unsafe for consumption.
Ving Rhames...?...C'mon...the man was in two zombie films, the fairly decent remake of Dawn of the Dead, and the Someone should be shot for making this remake of Day of the Dead...though I will agree with most " there coming to get you Barbara" referances...as well as the fantastic use of cricket bats..
Everyone is in agreement, so next year on Dec 21, 2012, a zombie apocalypse will occur and the zombies will be able to infect humans, and will just eat animals!!!
FITZZ wrote: According to the majority of the fiction the consumption of zombie flesh is leathal to most forms of life...
So any animal ( carrion) who eats zombie flesh would be dead in a matter of hours..
This condition is also used to explain a zombies longevity ...as most parasitic life forms ( who would under normal conditions reduce a corpse to bone in a matter of days/weeks) avoid consuming zombie flesh due to it's toxic nature.
i was thinking along those line.thanks. also it seems zombies would eat animals to.
Again, that depends on the fiction you read/watch...in some cases zombies will ignore any living thing that isn't human...in other films/books they will attack any living animal they can get hold of.
I lean towards the train of thought that zombies would attempt to consume any living flesh the come in contact with..but that the transferance of the virus only occurs in humans...for example, a dog that has been fed upon will simply die...whereas a human who has been fed upon would reanimate.
Some even turn animals into the zombie versions of themselves. I guess it depends on what is causing the zombie outbreak. Virus? Alien bacteria? Tiny nano machines (technology), or perhaps some sentient being that uses our bodies as a shell for it's existence.
Then what happens if you have a robot uprising along side a zombie uprising?
FITZZ wrote: According to the majority of the fiction the consumption of zombie flesh is leathal to most forms of life...
So any animal ( carrion) who eats zombie flesh would be dead in a matter of hours..
This condition is also used to explain a zombies longevity ...as most parasitic life forms ( who would under normal conditions reduce a corpse to bone in a matter of days/weeks) avoid consuming zombie flesh due to it's toxic nature.
i was thinking along those line.thanks. also it seems zombies would eat animals to.
Again, that depends on the fiction you read/watch...in some cases zombies will ignore any living thing that isn't human...in other films/books they will attack any living animal they can get hold of.
I lean towards the train of thought that zombies would attempt to consume any living flesh the come in contact with..but that the transferance of the virus only occurs in humans...for example, a dog that has been fed upon will simply die...whereas a human who has been fed upon would reanimate.
Some even turn animals into the zombie versions of themselves. I guess it depends on what is causing the zombie outbreak. Virus? Alien bacteria? Tiny nano machines (technology), or perhaps some sentient being that uses our bodies as a shell for it's existence.
Then what happens if you have a robot uprising along side a zombie uprising?
Yeah...when we start to delve into the "Resident Evil" genre..your facing zombie dogs, infected birds...all sorts of ...critters.
..And I would guess a zombie/robot apocalypse would be pretty much "Game Over"....I'd still try to fight...but hell...even I know my limits.
FITZZ wrote: According to the majority of the fiction the consumption of zombie flesh is leathal to most forms of life...
So any animal ( carrion) who eats zombie flesh would be dead in a matter of hours..
This condition is also used to explain a zombies longevity ...as most parasitic life forms ( who would under normal conditions reduce a corpse to bone in a matter of days/weeks) avoid consuming zombie flesh due to it's toxic nature.
i was thinking along those line.thanks. also it seems zombies would eat animals to.
Again, that depends on the fiction you read/watch...in some cases zombies will ignore any living thing that isn't human...in other films/books they will attack any living animal they can get hold of.
I lean towards the train of thought that zombies would attempt to consume any living flesh the come in contact with..but that the transferance of the virus only occurs in humans...for example, a dog that has been fed upon will simply die...whereas a human who has been fed upon would reanimate.
Some even turn animals into the zombie versions of themselves. I guess it depends on what is causing the zombie outbreak. Virus? Alien bacteria? Tiny nano machines (technology), or perhaps some sentient being that uses our bodies as a shell for it's existence.
Then what happens if you have a robot uprising along side a zombie uprising?
Yeah...when we start to delve into the "Resident Evil" genre..your facing zombie dogs, infected birds...all sorts of ...critters.
..And I would guess a zombie/robot apocalypse would be pretty much "Game Over"....I'd still try to fight...but hell...even I know my limits.
Yeah in Resident Evil the T-Virus affects all living things, even plants. However, it was designed as a bio weapon, so that is probably different when comparing the rest of the zombie outbreaks which simply seem to mutate the human body to resist decay and preserve muscle-skeletal structure and activate very basic instincts from the brain. Then again in some zombie flicks some zombies show higher functions (Romero zombies) and they show that they can also retain memories of what they once were. In that regard you could argue zombies could be domesticated....perhaps
As for giant robots, at least I got computer skills and maybe could hack some and make my own robot army....well if they run off Windows based Operating Systems it will be easy to hack them!
FITZZ wrote: According to the majority of the fiction the consumption of zombie flesh is leathal to most forms of life...
So any animal ( carrion) who eats zombie flesh would be dead in a matter of hours..
This condition is also used to explain a zombies longevity ...as most parasitic life forms ( who would under normal conditions reduce a corpse to bone in a matter of days/weeks) avoid consuming zombie flesh due to it's toxic nature.
i was thinking along those line.thanks. also it seems zombies would eat animals to.
Again, that depends on the fiction you read/watch...in some cases zombies will ignore any living thing that isn't human...in other films/books they will attack any living animal they can get hold of.
I lean towards the train of thought that zombies would attempt to consume any living flesh the come in contact with..but that the transferance of the virus only occurs in humans...for example, a dog that has been fed upon will simply die...whereas a human who has been fed upon would reanimate.
yea tbut that blows the whole zombie theory though, as the zombies would literally eat each other and boom! plague over.
FITZZ wrote: According to the majority of the fiction the consumption of zombie flesh is leathal to most forms of life...
So any animal ( carrion) who eats zombie flesh would be dead in a matter of hours..
This condition is also used to explain a zombies longevity ...as most parasitic life forms ( who would under normal conditions reduce a corpse to bone in a matter of days/weeks) avoid consuming zombie flesh due to it's toxic nature.
i was thinking along those line.thanks. also it seems zombies would eat animals to.
Again, that depends on the fiction you read/watch...in some cases zombies will ignore any living thing that isn't human...in other films/books they will attack any living animal they can get hold of.
I lean towards the train of thought that zombies would attempt to consume any living flesh the come in contact with..but that the transferance of the virus only occurs in humans...for example, a dog that has been fed upon will simply die...whereas a human who has been fed upon would reanimate.
yea tbut that blows the whole zombie theory though, as the zombies would literally eat each other and boom! plague over.
...How so?...zombies would have no interest in eating each other as they are not " living flesh" but reanimated corpses.
FITZZ wrote: According to the majority of the fiction the consumption of zombie flesh is leathal to most forms of life...
So any animal ( carrion) who eats zombie flesh would be dead in a matter of hours..
This condition is also used to explain a zombies longevity ...as most parasitic life forms ( who would under normal conditions reduce a corpse to bone in a matter of days/weeks) avoid consuming zombie flesh due to it's toxic nature.
i was thinking along those line.thanks. also it seems zombies would eat animals to.
Again, that depends on the fiction you read/watch...in some cases zombies will ignore any living thing that isn't human...in other films/books they will attack any living animal they can get hold of.
I lean towards the train of thought that zombies would attempt to consume any living flesh the come in contact with..but that the transferance of the virus only occurs in humans...for example, a dog that has been fed upon will simply die...whereas a human who has been fed upon would reanimate.
yea tbut that blows the whole zombie theory though, as the zombies would literally eat each other and boom! plague over.
...How so?...zombies would have no interest in eating each other as they are not " living flesh" but reanimated corpses.
And yet they are always seen tearing their victims apart? How do they know the manwich they are eating isn't a zombie? How do they distinguish zombies from animals?
FITZZ wrote: According to the majority of the fiction the consumption of zombie flesh is leathal to most forms of life...
So any animal ( carrion) who eats zombie flesh would be dead in a matter of hours..
This condition is also used to explain a zombies longevity ...as most parasitic life forms ( who would under normal conditions reduce a corpse to bone in a matter of days/weeks) avoid consuming zombie flesh due to it's toxic nature.
i was thinking along those line.thanks. also it seems zombies would eat animals to.
Again, that depends on the fiction you read/watch...in some cases zombies will ignore any living thing that isn't human...in other films/books they will attack any living animal they can get hold of.
I lean towards the train of thought that zombies would attempt to consume any living flesh the come in contact with..but that the transferance of the virus only occurs in humans...for example, a dog that has been fed upon will simply die...whereas a human who has been fed upon would reanimate.
yea tbut that blows the whole zombie theory though, as the zombies would literally eat each other and boom! plague over.
...How so?...zombies would have no interest in eating each other as they are not " living flesh" but reanimated corpses.
And yet they are always seen tearing their victims apart? How do they know the manwich they are eating isn't a zombie? How do they distinguish zombies from animals?
And yet they are always seen tearing their victims apart? How do they know the manwich they are eating isn't a zombie? How do they distinguish zombies from animals?
How often do you see animals eating decayed, rotten and diseased flesh in the wild?
FITZZ wrote: According to the majority of the fiction the consumption of zombie flesh is leathal to most forms of life...
So any animal ( carrion) who eats zombie flesh would be dead in a matter of hours..
This condition is also used to explain a zombies longevity ...as most parasitic life forms ( who would under normal conditions reduce a corpse to bone in a matter of days/weeks) avoid consuming zombie flesh due to it's toxic nature.
i was thinking along those line.thanks. also it seems zombies would eat animals to.
Again, that depends on the fiction you read/watch...in some cases zombies will ignore any living thing that isn't human...in other films/books they will attack any living animal they can get hold of.
I lean towards the train of thought that zombies would attempt to consume any living flesh the come in contact with..but that the transferance of the virus only occurs in humans...for example, a dog that has been fed upon will simply die...whereas a human who has been fed upon would reanimate.
yea tbut that blows the whole zombie theory though, as the zombies would literally eat each other and boom! plague over.
...How so?...zombies would have no interest in eating each other as they are not " living flesh" but reanimated corpses.
And yet they are always seen tearing their victims apart? How do they know the manwich they are eating isn't a zombie? How do they distinguish zombies from animals?
Frazz...you really should give Max Brook's a read my friend.
Basicly ( and this is Romero/Brooks type zombies) the dead can sense necrotic flesh ( either through smell or by some other means as of yet unknown) and will not attempt to consume it.
So, they won't attack each other, since they are already dead, nor will they eat the flesh of a body that has been dead for longer than 10-12 hours.
dajobe wrote:my dogs eat disgusting crap in my backyard all of the time...even though i think one of them is a little "different"
my dog has killed 2 rabbits.one was a pet. the 1st one was wild and he dropped it at my dads feet all proud like. lets hope zombies are slow like they should be.
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Frazzled wrote:
FITZZ wrote:
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lord commissar klimino wrote:
FITZZ wrote: According to the majority of the fiction the consumption of zombie flesh is leathal to most forms of life...
So any animal ( carrion) who eats zombie flesh would be dead in a matter of hours..
This condition is also used to explain a zombies longevity ...as most parasitic life forms ( who would under normal conditions reduce a corpse to bone in a matter of days/weeks) avoid consuming zombie flesh due to it's toxic nature.
i was thinking along those line.thanks. also it seems zombies would eat animals to.
Again, that depends on the fiction you read/watch...in some cases zombies will ignore any living thing that isn't human...in other films/books they will attack any living animal they can get hold of.
I lean towards the train of thought that zombies would attempt to consume any living flesh the come in contact with..but that the transferance of the virus only occurs in humans...for example, a dog that has been fed upon will simply die...whereas a human who has been fed upon would reanimate.
yea tbut that blows the whole zombie theory though, as the zombies would literally eat each other and boom! plague over.
...How so?...zombies would have no interest in eating each other as they are not " living flesh" but reanimated corpses.
And yet they are always seen tearing their victims apart? How do they know the manwich they are eating isn't a zombie? How do they distinguish zombies from animals?
Frazz...you really should give Max Brook's a read my friend.
Basicly ( and this is Romero/Brooks type zombies) the dead can sense necrotic flesh ( either through smell or by some other means as of yet unknown) and will not attempt to consume it.
So, they won't attack each other, since they are already dead, nor will they eat the flesh of a body that has been dead for longer than 10-12 hours.
i think its more of the smell. zombies can tell if your a zombie by if you smell like a rotting maggot sack or not. thats why in some versions humans can rub zombies guts on their clothing and not get attacked. ps if this works id so do it.
FITZZ wrote: According to the majority of the fiction the consumption of zombie flesh is leathal to most forms of life...
So any animal ( carrion) who eats zombie flesh would be dead in a matter of hours..
This condition is also used to explain a zombies longevity ...as most parasitic life forms ( who would under normal conditions reduce a corpse to bone in a matter of days/weeks) avoid consuming zombie flesh due to it's toxic nature.
i was thinking along those line.thanks. also it seems zombies would eat animals to.
Again, that depends on the fiction you read/watch...in some cases zombies will ignore any living thing that isn't human...in other films/books they will attack any living animal they can get hold of.
I lean towards the train of thought that zombies would attempt to consume any living flesh the come in contact with..but that the transferance of the virus only occurs in humans...for example, a dog that has been fed upon will simply die...whereas a human who has been fed upon would reanimate.
yea tbut that blows the whole zombie theory though, as the zombies would literally eat each other and boom! plague over.
...How so?...zombies would have no interest in eating each other as they are not " living flesh" but reanimated corpses.
And yet they are always seen tearing their victims apart? How do they know the manwich they are eating isn't a zombie? How do they distinguish zombies from animals?
FITZZ wrote: According to the majority of the fiction the consumption of zombie flesh is leathal to most forms of life...
So any animal ( carrion) who eats zombie flesh would be dead in a matter of hours..
This condition is also used to explain a zombies longevity ...as most parasitic life forms ( who would under normal conditions reduce a corpse to bone in a matter of days/weeks) avoid consuming zombie flesh due to it's toxic nature.
i was thinking along those line.thanks. also it seems zombies would eat animals to.
Again, that depends on the fiction you read/watch...in some cases zombies will ignore any living thing that isn't human...in other films/books they will attack any living animal they can get hold of.
I lean towards the train of thought that zombies would attempt to consume any living flesh the come in contact with..but that the transferance of the virus only occurs in humans...for example, a dog that has been fed upon will simply die...whereas a human who has been fed upon would reanimate.
yea tbut that blows the whole zombie theory though, as the zombies would literally eat each other and boom! plague over.
...How so?...zombies would have no interest in eating each other as they are not " living flesh" but reanimated corpses.
And yet they are always seen tearing their victims apart? How do they know the manwich they are eating isn't a zombie? How do they distinguish zombies from animals?
very true,otherwise a zombie will be dropping my arm at the feet of some super zombie and the super zombie will say "silly zombie, that was mean...oh, i cant stay mad at you!"
Smell is considered to be a primary factor in how zombies " Hunt"...but again the fiction doesn't always agree on it's importance overall.
In some cases, smearing zombie internals on ones self can "camoflage" the fact your a human ( as seen in the Walking Dead)..but in other works of fiction ( WWZ/ZSG) this technique doesn't work and the zombies are still able to spot the living even if the living " smell" like the dead.
FITZZ wrote: According to the majority of the fiction the consumption of zombie flesh is leathal to most forms of life...
So any animal ( carrion) who eats zombie flesh would be dead in a matter of hours..
This condition is also used to explain a zombies longevity ...as most parasitic life forms ( who would under normal conditions reduce a corpse to bone in a matter of days/weeks) avoid consuming zombie flesh due to it's toxic nature.
i was thinking along those line.thanks. also it seems zombies would eat animals to.
Again, that depends on the fiction you read/watch...in some cases zombies will ignore any living thing that isn't human...in other films/books they will attack any living animal they can get hold of.
I lean towards the train of thought that zombies would attempt to consume any living flesh the come in contact with..but that the transferance of the virus only occurs in humans...for example, a dog that has been fed upon will simply die...whereas a human who has been fed upon would reanimate.
yea tbut that blows the whole zombie theory though, as the zombies would literally eat each other and boom! plague over.
...How so?...zombies would have no interest in eating each other as they are not " living flesh" but reanimated corpses.
And yet they are always seen tearing their victims apart? How do they know the manwich they are eating isn't a zombie? How do they distinguish zombies from animals?
smell.zombies smell bad.
Worse than teenagers?
yes. i do not smell like a rotting maggot sack.
You positive on that? I really should be asking yur parents. I've found most teenagers smell like sweaty gym shorts and desperation. Zombies are worse? You mean like wiener dog breath worse? Before his surgery TBone's breath smelled like a combination of decaying meat and wet old man ass. Now his breath just smells like wet old man ass.
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And yet they are always seen tearing their victims apart? How do they know the manwich they are eating isn't a zombie? How do they distinguish zombies from animals?
How often do you see animals eating decayed, rotten and diseased flesh in the wild?
A lot. They're called vultures if they have wings, wiener dogs if they don't.
FITZZ wrote: Smell is considered to be a primary factor in how zombies " Hunt"...but again the fiction doesn't always agree on it's importance overall.
In some cases, smearing zombie internals on ones self can "camoflage" the fact your a human ( as seen in the Walking Dead)..but in other works of fiction ( WWZ/ZSG) this technique doesn't work and the zombies are still able to spot the living even if the living " smell" like the dead.
from what i hear and read. smell bad,but dont get close enough for them to see you arnt truly rotting.
CptJake wrote:So do bums, meth addicts, and soldiers who are deployed and haven't had a shower in a month.
Will that keep them safe from zombies?
hopefully none of them are rotting and/or filled with maggots,so they wont smell like a zombie...so no,they will not be safe.
In the vast majority of zombie fiction, zombies aren't filled with maggots either...as the toxic nature of zombie flesh causes maggots and other organisms that would cause rapid decomposistion to avoid them.
By the way, since maggots eat the rotten meat, they may help mask the smell. There is even some use of maggots medically to eat away dead flesh around wounds to keep gangrene down.
And yet they are always seen tearing their victims apart? How do they know the manwich they are eating isn't a zombie? How do they distinguish zombies from animals?
How often do you see animals eating decayed, rotten and diseased flesh in the wild?
A lot. They're called vultures if they have wings, wiener dogs if they don't.
FITZZ wrote: According to the majority of the fiction the consumption of zombie flesh is leathal to most forms of life...
So any animal ( carrion) who eats zombie flesh would be dead in a matter of hours..
This condition is also used to explain a zombies longevity ...as most parasitic life forms ( who would under normal conditions reduce a corpse to bone in a matter of days/weeks) avoid consuming zombie flesh due to it's toxic nature.
i was thinking along those line.thanks. also it seems zombies would eat animals to.
Again, that depends on the fiction you read/watch...in some cases zombies will ignore any living thing that isn't human...in other films/books they will attack any living animal they can get hold of.
I lean towards the train of thought that zombies would attempt to consume any living flesh the come in contact with..but that the transferance of the virus only occurs in humans...for example, a dog that has been fed upon will simply die...whereas a human who has been fed upon would reanimate.
yea tbut that blows the whole zombie theory though, as the zombies would literally eat each other and boom! plague over.
Word. What about rage virus?
...How so?...zombies would have no interest in eating each other as they are not " living flesh" but reanimated corpses.
And yet they are always seen tearing their victims apart? How do they know the manwich they are eating isn't a zombie? How do they distinguish zombies from animals?
Frazz...you really should give Max Brook's a read my friend.
Basicly ( and this is Romero/Brooks type zombies) the dead can sense necrotic flesh ( either through smell or by some other means as of yet unknown) and will not attempt to consume it.
So, they won't attack each other, since they are already dead, nor will they eat the flesh of a body that has been dead for longer than 10-12 hours.
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dajobe wrote:my dogs eat disgusting crap in my backyard all of the time...even though i think one of them is a little "different"
my dog has killed 2 rabbits.one was a pet. the 1st one was wild and he dropped it at my dads feet all proud like. lets hope zombies are slow like they should be.
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Frazzled wrote:
FITZZ wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
FITZZ wrote:
lord commissar klimino wrote:
FITZZ wrote: According to the majority of the fiction the consumption of zombie flesh is leathal to most forms of life...
So any animal ( carrion) who eats zombie flesh would be dead in a matter of hours..
This condition is also used to explain a zombies longevity ...as most parasitic life forms ( who would under normal conditions reduce a corpse to bone in a matter of days/weeks) avoid consuming zombie flesh due to it's toxic nature.
i was thinking along those line.thanks. also it seems zombies would eat animals to.
Again, that depends on the fiction you read/watch...in some cases zombies will ignore any living thing that isn't human...in other films/books they will attack any living animal they can get hold of.
I lean towards the train of thought that zombies would attempt to consume any living flesh the come in contact with..but that the transferance of the virus only occurs in humans...for example, a dog that has been fed upon will simply die...whereas a human who has been fed upon would reanimate.
yea tbut that blows the whole zombie theory though, as the zombies would literally eat each other and boom! plague over.
...How so?...zombies would have no interest in eating each other as they are not " living flesh" but reanimated corpses.
And yet they are always seen tearing their victims apart? How do they know the manwich they are eating isn't a zombie? How do they distinguish zombies from animals?
Frazz...you really should give Max Brook's a read my friend.
Basicly ( and this is Romero/Brooks type zombies) the dead can sense necrotic flesh ( either through smell or by some other means as of yet unknown) and will not attempt to consume it.
So, they won't attack each other, since they are already dead, nor will they eat the flesh of a body that has been dead for longer than 10-12 hours.
i think its more of the smell. zombies can tell if your a zombie by if you smell like a rotting maggot sack or not. thats why in some versions humans can rub zombies guts on their clothing and not get attacked. ps if this works id so do it.
Rodney is like an eight inch tall nervous angel of death as far as snakes are concerned. That dog is a snake killing machine.
Y'know Frazz, that's another reason you should read World War Z, in the segments discussing the use of dogs against zombies...Weiner dogs figure highly as very useful.
I know what you mean frazzled, i dont know how, but my jack russel terrier has the WORST breath EVAR! i dont know how there is not some rotting carcass filled with essense of stink inside of her, because her breath is death. I imagine her breath is what all of hell smells like...
dajobe wrote:I know what you mean frazzled, i dont know how, but my jack russel terrier has the WORST breath EVAR! i dont know how there is not some rotting carcass filled with essense of stink inside of her, because her breath is death. I imagine her breath is what all of hell smells like...
another wiener I dogsit has breath that could knock an ox on its ass
CptJake wrote:By the way, since maggots eat the rotten meat, they may help mask the smell. There is even some use of maggots medically to eat away dead flesh around wounds to keep gangrene down.
And yet they are always seen tearing their victims apart? How do they know the manwich they are eating isn't a zombie? How do they distinguish zombies from animals?
How often do you see animals eating decayed, rotten and diseased flesh in the wild?
Well, if you've evr played resident evil games, or have seen the second and third film, the birds who ate the flesh of the infected became infected themselves. That being said, they'd attack other animals, alongside animals like ants and flies, who also feed on carrion,which will in turn attack animals who would never themselves eat rotting tissue. So, in the end, animals might as well eat the rotting flesh, they'll all be infected anyway.
And yet they are always seen tearing their victims apart? How do they know the manwich they are eating isn't a zombie? How do they distinguish zombies from animals?
How often do you see animals eating decayed, rotten and diseased flesh in the wild?
Well, if you've evr played resident evil games, or have seen the second and third film, the birds who ate the flesh of the infected became infected themselves. That being said, they'd attack other animals, alongside animals like ants and flies, who also feed on carrion,which will in turn attack animals who would never themselves eat rotting tissue. So, in the end, animals might as well eat the rotting flesh, they'll all be infected anyway.
....wait wouldnt we all become infected from ants?
I'd imagine it would be.
Seems I recall recently seeing something on some medical program in which a homeless man came into the ER with his entire leg covered in maggots.
The ER Doctor, after the paitent had been showered, stated the maggots did more good than harm in that they had eaten away a lot of gangrenous flesh.
i was talking about the dog breath...but i have heard of maggots being used for medicinal purposes, as well as leeches and many other natural oddities!
dajobe wrote:i was talking about the dog breath...but i have heard of maggots being used for medicinal purposes, as well as leeches and many other natural oddities!
Ah, my mistake, thought you were commenting on the effectiveness of using maggots as treatment.
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remilia_scarlet wrote:
Crom wrote:
And yet they are always seen tearing their victims apart? How do they know the manwich they are eating isn't a zombie? How do they distinguish zombies from animals?
How often do you see animals eating decayed, rotten and diseased flesh in the wild?
Well, if you've evr played resident evil games, or have seen the second and third film, the birds who ate the flesh of the infected became infected themselves. That being said, they'd attack other animals, alongside animals like ants and flies, who also feed on carrion,which will in turn attack animals who would never themselves eat rotting tissue. So, in the end, animals might as well eat the rotting flesh, they'll all be infected anyway.
....wait wouldnt we all become infected from ants?
Agian, concerning the transferance of the virus via animal/insect bite...it depends largely on the fiction.
As I said, in the majority of "zombie fiction" insects and animals avoid injesting zombie flesh/contact with zombie blood so the danger of infection through any means other than direct contact with a zombie ( or mishandling/misadventure involving a zombies "fluids") is minimal.
I suppose in fiction in which the virus is carried by animals the danger of infection drasticly rises.
I find rotting animals to smell worse then rotting people, and most dogs will eat dead crap.
I watched a dog step OUT of a horses chest cavity in Iraq, it was July and like 130F out, I damn near lost my lunch when we drove by that. Just imagine this bloated, decaying horse with it's legs sticking straight out, and as you drive by it this mutt steps out, all slicked down with gore, munching away happily with his tail wagging.
In my top 5 nastiest things ever seen. That smell still haunts me. Though I don't think we'll see maggots on Zombies, because maggots means things can survive eating them, and if that is the case they should decay pretty damn fast.
And, just to play Devils Advocate, what if their not Shamblers (Romero) but Ragers (28Days/Weeks).
Lately the zombie trend has been going away from magic/radiation/cosmic influence and into Bio Weapons and Chemical leaks. At first I sorta despised that part of the Genre, and refused to admit the Ragers from 28 Days were zombies, but I suppose I can work with it now, especially after playing so much L4D and L4D2....
Sckitzo wrote:I find rotting animals to smell worse then rotting people, and most dogs will eat dead crap.
I watched a dog step OUT of a horses chest cavity in Iraq, it was July and like 130F out, I damn near lost my lunch when we drove by that. Just imagine this bloated, decaying horse with it's legs sticking straight out, and as you drive by it this mutt steps out, all slicked down with gore, munching away happily with his tail wagging.
In my top 5 nastiest things ever seen. That smell still haunts me. Though I don't think we'll see maggots on Zombies, because maggots means things can survive eating them, and if that is the case they should decay pretty damn fast.
And, just to play Devils Advocate, what if their not Shamblers (Romero) but Ragers (28Days/Weeks).
Lately the zombie trend has been going away from magic/radiation/cosmic influence and into Bio Weapons and Chemical leaks. At first I sorta despised that part of the Genre, and refused to admit the Ragers from 28 Days were zombies, but I suppose I can work with it now, especially after playing so much L4D and L4D2....
i dont think zombies will mutate as in L4D. i think its gonna be a form of rabies.
coolyo294 wrote:My Dachshund, Lilly, kills mice like it's no one's business. She's also been known to attack the UPS guy.
Team Wienie supports any and all attempts to take down the UPS guy. He's going down!
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FITZZ wrote: Y'know Frazz, that's another reason you should read World War Z, in the segments discussing the use of dogs against zombies...Weiner dogs figure highly as very useful.
Sckitzo wrote:I find rotting animals to smell worse then rotting people, and most dogs will eat dead crap.
I watched a dog step OUT of a horses chest cavity in Iraq, it was July and like 130F out, I damn near lost my lunch when we drove by that. Just imagine this bloated, decaying horse with it's legs sticking straight out, and as you drive by it this mutt steps out, all slicked down with gore, munching away happily with his tail wagging.
In my top 5 nastiest things ever seen. That smell still haunts me. Though I don't think we'll see maggots on Zombies, because maggots means things can survive eating them, and if that is the case they should decay pretty damn fast.
And, just to play Devils Advocate, what if their not Shamblers (Romero) but Ragers (28Days/Weeks).
Lately the zombie trend has been going away from magic/radiation/cosmic influence and into Bio Weapons and Chemical leaks. At first I sorta despised that part of the Genre, and refused to admit the Ragers from 28 Days were zombies, but I suppose I can work with it now, especially after playing so much L4D and L4D2....
That's...pretty damn foul, though I to have witnessed dogs do some nasty gak...still...your story tops anything I've seen.
As for " running" zombies, I'm firmly in the "dead things don't run" camp...but, if it's Infected people , like 28 Days/Weeks later or Qaurintine..then the battle plan is drasticly altered...stand and shoot plans are out the window and emphasis would have to be on run and gun/ high level sniping.
On the upside, with "Infected" your not limited to head shots for the kill...and anti- personal weapons become increasingly effective.
Sckitzo wrote:I find rotting animals to smell worse then rotting people, and most dogs will eat dead crap.
I watched a dog step OUT of a horses chest cavity in Iraq, it was July and like 130F out, I damn near lost my lunch when we drove by that. Just imagine this bloated, decaying horse with it's legs sticking straight out, and as you drive by it this mutt steps out, all slicked down with gore, munching away happily with his tail wagging.
In my top 5 nastiest things ever seen. That smell still haunts me. Though I don't think we'll see maggots on Zombies, because maggots means things can survive eating them, and if that is the case they should decay pretty damn fast.
And, just to play Devils Advocate, what if their not Shamblers (Romero) but Ragers (28Days/Weeks).
Lately the zombie trend has been going away from magic/radiation/cosmic influence and into Bio Weapons and Chemical leaks. At first I sorta despised that part of the Genre, and refused to admit the Ragers from 28 Days were zombies, but I suppose I can work with it now, especially after playing so much L4D and L4D2....
That's...pretty damn foul, though I to have witnessed dogs do some nasty gak...still...your story tops anything I've seen.
As for " running" zombies, I'm firmly in the "dead things don't run" camp...but, if it's Infected people , like 28 Days/Weeks later or Qaurintine..then the battle plan is drasticly altered...stand and shoot plans are out the window and emphasis would have to be on run and gun/ high level sniping.
On the upside, with "Infected" your not limited to head shots for the kill...and anti- personal weapons become increasingly effective.
I'm ok with infected version. They get sick and die quickly. Illnesses will run rampant through them, and if you don't eat you starve. There's a reason rabies is so rare, its just not a very effective vector.
Sckitzo wrote:I find rotting animals to smell worse then rotting people, and most dogs will eat dead crap.
I watched a dog step OUT of a horses chest cavity in Iraq, it was July and like 130F out, I damn near lost my lunch when we drove by that. Just imagine this bloated, decaying horse with it's legs sticking straight out, and as you drive by it this mutt steps out, all slicked down with gore, munching away happily with his tail wagging.
In my top 5 nastiest things ever seen. That smell still haunts me. Though I don't think we'll see maggots on Zombies, because maggots means things can survive eating them, and if that is the case they should decay pretty damn fast.
And, just to play Devils Advocate, what if their not Shamblers (Romero) but Ragers (28Days/Weeks).
Lately the zombie trend has been going away from magic/radiation/cosmic influence and into Bio Weapons and Chemical leaks. At first I sorta despised that part of the Genre, and refused to admit the Ragers from 28 Days were zombies, but I suppose I can work with it now, especially after playing so much L4D and L4D2....
That's...pretty damn foul, though I to have witnessed dogs do some nasty gak...still...your story tops anything I've seen.
As for " running" zombies, I'm firmly in the "dead things don't run" camp...but, if it's Infected people , like 28 Days/Weeks later or Qaurintine..then the battle plan is drasticly altered...stand and shoot plans are out the window and emphasis would have to be on run and gun/ high level sniping.
On the upside, with "Infected" your not limited to head shots for the kill...and anti- personal weapons become increasingly effective.
I'm ok with infected version. They get sick and die quickly. Illnesses will run rampant through them, and if you don't eat you starve. There's a reason rabies is so rare, its just not a very effective vector.
Yes, aside from the " running" aspect, infected humans would be preferable to actual "Zombies", infected humans would starve eventually, zombies won't.
Infected Humans still have all of our "weakness", an anti-personal mine blowing their legs off will eventually kill them, instead of just leaving a legless zombie...
Napalm and gas attacks would kill infected humans, not so with the actaul "Walking Dead"..
Yeah, Infected Humans would clearly be preferable ...even if they could run.
So when the gak hits the fan we can all blame Toshiba and milk
That commercial makes my kids laugh every time it comes on, they call it "Daddy's Commercial".
...Strange that my offspring would identify me with zombies...
So when the gak hits the fan we can all blame Toshiba and milk
That commercial makes my kids laugh every time it comes on, they call it "Daddy's Commercial".
...Strange that my offspring would identify me with zombies...
It would be strange if they didn't. FITZZ, you are the KING of the zombies.
So when the gak hits the fan we can all blame Toshiba and milk
That commercial makes my kids laugh every time it comes on, they call it "Daddy's Commercial".
...Strange that my offspring would identify me with zombies...
It would be strange if they didn't. FITZZ, you are the KING of the zombies.
all hail FITZZ,king of zombie knowledge!
remilia_scarlet wrote:I find the T-virus to be neat, it reanimates dead tissue, and mutates living tissue.
If you watch one the 28's, there is a scene where a infected is walking around missing a arm, which leads to believe they don't bleed out for some weird reason.
Sckitzo wrote:If you watch one the 28's, there is a scene where a infected is walking around missing a arm, which leads to believe they don't bleed out for some weird reason.
I noticed that as well, along with many of the "infected" taking rounds that would drop a "normal" human yet they kept coming...which I attributed to the virus effects, sort of like trying to put down an individule on PCP.
...As for why the Infected with the missing arm hadn't bled out..???...recent wound, virus alters metabolism,...???
corpsesarefun wrote:Yeah I recall the pcp analogy being made in 28 weeks (I may be wong).
As for the arm, the blood had probably clotted.
Quick search ...It seems that the "Rage Virus" shuts down all parts of the infected brain with the exception of those pertaining to violence and aggresion (?), furthermore it constantly pumps adrenaline into the host body,resulting in it's ability to shrug off many wounds.
Rabies does cook your brain more or less (well causes the body to cook it via fever) and PCP is a hell of a drug, I think you would need to treat ragers like that, a shot to the CNS or destroy a joint, massive blast trauma would do it also.
I mean, which would you rather have, slow shamblers that don't rot, but are fairly mindless but require a head shot to destroy.
Or fast ragers, that will eventually starve to death (in a few months IIRC?) that can be killed easier (but not that much)
I'm sorta going with the hope it's shamblers my self...
Sckitzo wrote:Rabies does cook your brain more or less (well causes the body to cook it via fever) and PCP is a hell of a drug, I think you would need to treat ragers like that, a shot to the CNS or destroy a joint, massive blast trauma would do it also.
I mean, which would you rather have, slow shamblers that don't rot, but are fairly mindless but require a head shot to destroy.
Or fast ragers, that will eventually starve to death (in a few months IIRC?) that can be killed easier (but not that much)
I'm sorta going with the hope it's shamblers my self...
Or Thriller zombies, they dance, I run.
Did it take months for the "Ragers" to starve?...well, yes...I suppose for all of them to eventualy starve it did, but still...that's not a terribly long time overall, when compared to several years or better for decay to immobilize a zombie.
Overall I can see both pros and cons to each, my leaning towards "ragers" simply hinges on the easier to kill factor...
And no Thriller Zombies...I see a horde of dancing zombies with Mikey Jackson leading them...I'm nuking everything.
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corpsesarefun wrote:To be honest my main problem in the event of a zombie invasion would be what to do with my guinea pigs.
Sckitzo wrote:Rabies does cook your brain more or less (well causes the body to cook it via fever) and PCP is a hell of a drug, I think you would need to treat ragers like that, a shot to the CNS or destroy a joint, massive blast trauma would do it also.
I mean, which would you rather have, slow shamblers that don't rot, but are fairly mindless but require a head shot to destroy.
Or fast ragers, that will eventually starve to death (in a few months IIRC?) that can be killed easier (but not that much)
I'm sorta going with the hope it's shamblers my self...
Or Thriller zombies, they dance, I run.
Did it take months for the "Ragers" to starve?...well, yes...I suppose for all of them to eventualy starve it did, but still...that's not a terribly long time overall, when compared to several years or better for decay to immobilize a zombie.
Overall I can see both pros and cons to each, my leaning towards "ragers" simply hinges on the easier to kill factor...
And no Thriller Zombies...I see a horde of dancing zombies with Mikey Jackson leading them...I'm nuking everything.
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corpsesarefun wrote:To be honest my main problem in the event of a zombie invasion would be what to do with my guinea pigs.
Hmm...pan fried or stew?...JK corpses JK.
Oh admit it, you werent joking. I was thinking the same thing. Keep those pigs alive long enough to be a decent food source for a few days. And after that, they are big enough to make gloves or socks out of!
Sckitzo wrote:Rabies does cook your brain more or less (well causes the body to cook it via fever) and PCP is a hell of a drug, I think you would need to treat ragers like that, a shot to the CNS or destroy a joint, massive blast trauma would do it also.
I mean, which would you rather have, slow shamblers that don't rot, but are fairly mindless but require a head shot to destroy.
Or fast ragers, that will eventually starve to death (in a few months IIRC?) that can be killed easier (but not that much)
I'm sorta going with the hope it's shamblers my self...
Or Thriller zombies, they dance, I run.
Did it take months for the "Ragers" to starve?...well, yes...I suppose for all of them to eventualy starve it did, but still...that's not a terribly long time overall, when compared to several years or better for decay to immobilize a zombie.
Overall I can see both pros and cons to each, my leaning towards "ragers" simply hinges on the easier to kill factor...
And no Thriller Zombies...I see a horde of dancing zombies with Mikey Jackson leading them...I'm nuking everything.
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corpsesarefun wrote:To be honest my main problem in the event of a zombie invasion would be what to do with my guinea pigs.
Hmm...pan fried or stew?...JK corpses JK.
Oh admit it, you werent joking. I was thinking the same thing. Keep those pigs alive long enough to be a decent food source for a few days. And after that, they are big enough to make gloves or socks out of!
Well...true, I hate to admit it...but if an animal doesn't serve any purpose other than being cute, once Z-Day is upon us...I'm going to be thinking of recipes.
I think its funny how some of the people on here think of the Zombie Outbreak..thing as a fun time.
It would be the end of the world as we know it, I can't even imagine it. Just having to live in a world like that..its mind boggling, really.
I wouldn't be escaping Chicago, not a chance in hell. Anyone that is outside of a city is has a chance, but the cities will basically turn into a bigass rock with a gakload of fire ants all over it.
Only if I found myself outside of the city would I even consider going on and trying to survive. I just can't handle the thought of being eaten alive and hunted by such beings, I still wince at that scene of Shaun of the Dead where the guy with the glasses is in the pub and is all like "feth YOU GUYS I'LL GO KILL ALL THE ZOMBIES MYSELF" and breaks the window and gets his stomach ripped open and eaten.
One shot to the head hopefully takes me out without any pain, always wondered how that would feel.
Karon wrote:I think its funny how some of the people on here think of the Zombie Outbreak..thing as a fun time.
It would be the end of the world as we know it, I can't even imagine it. Just having to live in a world like that..its mind boggling, really.
I wouldn't be escaping Chicago, not a chance in hell. Anyone that is outside of a city is has a chance, but the cities will basically turn into a bigass rock with a gakload of fire ants all over it.
Only if I found myself outside of the city would I even consider going on and trying to survive. I just can't handle the thought of being eaten alive and hunted by such beings, I still wince at that scene of Shaun of the Dead where the guy with the glasses is in the pub and is all like "feth YOU GUYS I'LL GO KILL ALL THE ZOMBIES MYSELF" and breaks the window and gets his stomach ripped open and eaten.
One shot to the head hopefully takes me out without any pain, always wondered how that would feel.
A. hell yeah it would be fun! screw this world of war and jobs and politics!
B. suicide? really? only as a last resort would i even possibly think of that. guess the zombie Apocalypse just isnt for everyone.
I can actually understand where Karon is coming from to a degree.
I live five/ten minutes from Atlanta ( can see the city from my window) and I know damn good and well should a zombie apocalypse ever happen that city is going to be a nightmare...pretty much every man, woman and child inside the city limits is going to die...and those that do survive are going to be surrounded by several million zombies...
Which is why at the first sign of trouble I plan to get as far from Atlanta as I can...
I would imagine for someone who's been trapped inside a major urban area, with perhaps a few weeks worth of food ( if that) and millions of flesh hungry dead just outside the door...the idea of just " cashing out" would begin to look more and more appealing with each passing day.
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" A. hell yeah it would be fun! screw this world of war and jobs and politics!"
...None of these things would be gone in a zombie Apoc situation...if anything they would be much much harsher...
War would be every where...in many cases War would be day to day survival.
Jobs?...If you hate flipping burgers just think how much your going to hate digging gak holes, or clearing dead bodies for burning...or the multitude of other dirty jobs you'll have to do to survive..
Politics...again, they won' t go anywhere...just alter form, you may find groups who operate diplomaticly ( though very rarely I'd suspect)...and your sure to find many who's politics is to shove a pistol into your face , cock the hammer and tell you it's their way or ..bang.
lord commissar klimino wrote:
A. hell yeah it would be fun! screw this world of war and jobs and politics!
B. suicide? really? only as a last resort would i even possibly think of that. guess the zombie Apocalypse just isnt for everyone.
A: Sure it may be fun untl you have to kill a relative or a friend. Jobs would only go from office to labor, and it would become more or less tribal with one guy on top who keeps his rule because he is the best man in the group or the strongest
B:Well if I got to the point where I only had a few rounds left the barrel of my gun would look awfully tasty......
lord commissar klimino wrote:
A. hell yeah it would be fun! screw this world of war and jobs and politics!
B. suicide? really? only as a last resort would i even possibly think of that. guess the zombie Apocalypse just isnt for everyone.
A: Sure it may be fun untl you have to kill a relative or a friend. Jobs would only go from office to labor, and it would become more or less tribal with one guy on top who keeps his rule because he is the best man in the group or the strongest
B:Well if I got to the point where I only had a few rounds left the barrel of my gun would look awfully tasty......
A: sounds fun. ps i hate most of my family,so not much of a problem.
B: if you look even i aid if its that or become lunch,no other option,id do it to. only then. and id try to escape til the last possible second too.
FITZZ wrote: I can actually understand where Karon is coming from to a degree.
I live five/ten minutes from Atlanta ( can see the city from my window) and I know damn good and well should a zombie apocalypse ever happen that city is going to be a nightmare...pretty much every man, woman and child inside the city limits is going to die...and those that do survive are going to be surrounded by several million zombies...
Which is why at the first sign of trouble I plan to get as far from Atlanta as I can...
I would imagine for someone who's been trapped inside a major urban area, with perhaps a few weeks worth of food ( if that) and millions of flesh hungry dead just outside the door...the idea of just " cashing out" would begin to look more and more appealing with each passing day.
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" A. hell yeah it would be fun! screw this world of war and jobs and politics!"
...None of these things would be gone in a zombie Apoc situation...if anything they would be much much harsher...
War would be every where...in many cases War would be day to day survival.
Jobs?...If you hate flipping burgers just think how much your going to hate digging gak holes, or clearing dead bodies for burning...or the multitude of other dirty jobs you'll have to do to survive..
Politics...again, they won' t go anywhere...just alter form, you may find groups who operate diplomaticly ( though very rarely I'd suspect)...and your sure to find many who's politics is to shove a pistol into your face , cock the hammer and tell you it's their way or ..bang.
Pretty much, Zombie Apocalypse is fun to joke about as a sort of escapism, and I use it as a funny way to prep for real world disasters, but in all reality any PAW situation is going to be freaking horrible.
Watch the movie and/or read the book "The Road" I think the end of the world is going to be more like that than anything else...
FITZZ wrote: I can actually understand where Karon is coming from to a degree.
I live five/ten minutes from Atlanta ( can see the city from my window) and I know damn good and well should a zombie apocalypse ever happen that city is going to be a nightmare...pretty much every man, woman and child inside the city limits is going to die...and those that do survive are going to be surrounded by several million zombies...
Which is why at the first sign of trouble I plan to get as far from Atlanta as I can...
I would imagine for someone who's been trapped inside a major urban area, with perhaps a few weeks worth of food ( if that) and millions of flesh hungry dead just outside the door...the idea of just " cashing out" would begin to look more and more appealing with each passing day.
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" A. hell yeah it would be fun! screw this world of war and jobs and politics!"
...None of these things would be gone in a zombie Apoc situation...if anything they would be much much harsher...
War would be every where...in many cases War would be day to day survival.
Jobs?...If you hate flipping burgers just think how much your going to hate digging gak holes, or clearing dead bodies for burning...or the multitude of other dirty jobs you'll have to do to survive..
Politics...again, they won' t go anywhere...just alter form, you may find groups who operate diplomaticly ( though very rarely I'd suspect)...and your sure to find many who's politics is to shove a pistol into your face , cock the hammer and tell you it's their way or ..bang.
Pretty much, Zombie Apocalypse is fun to joke about as a sort of escapism, and I use it as a funny way to prep for real world disasters, but in all reality any PAW situation is going to be freaking horrible.
Watch the movie and/or read the book "The Road" I think the end of the world is going to be more like that than anything else...
to both.
i dont fully care. im all for the "freedom" it would give me. and if you really need me to say something to 'end this'. if you look im not exactly normal,now am i? i agree those things would still be around,just id enjoy it cause of the "simple things". no more annoying family. no more obama and other annoying politicians. im hanging out with my friends more often,and if their dead more supplies for me. id be less lazy. id get to (re) kill stuff. the only people who are going to boss me around are probably other humans who are going to kill me anyways so i might as well not obey and fight til the bitter end. id get vto fight every day almost to.
FITZZ wrote: I can actually understand where Karon is coming from to a degree.
I live five/ten minutes from Atlanta ( can see the city from my window) and I know damn good and well should a zombie apocalypse ever happen that city is going to be a nightmare...pretty much every man, woman and child inside the city limits is going to die...and those that do survive are going to be surrounded by several million zombies...
Which is why at the first sign of trouble I plan to get as far from Atlanta as I can...
I would imagine for someone who's been trapped inside a major urban area, with perhaps a few weeks worth of food ( if that) and millions of flesh hungry dead just outside the door...the idea of just " cashing out" would begin to look more and more appealing with each passing day.
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" A. hell yeah it would be fun! screw this world of war and jobs and politics!"
...None of these things would be gone in a zombie Apoc situation...if anything they would be much much harsher...
War would be every where...in many cases War would be day to day survival.
Jobs?...If you hate flipping burgers just think how much your going to hate digging gak holes, or clearing dead bodies for burning...or the multitude of other dirty jobs you'll have to do to survive..
Politics...again, they won' t go anywhere...just alter form, you may find groups who operate diplomaticly ( though very rarely I'd suspect)...and your sure to find many who's politics is to shove a pistol into your face , cock the hammer and tell you it's their way or ..bang.
Pretty much, Zombie Apocalypse is fun to joke about as a sort of escapism, and I use it as a funny way to prep for real world disasters, but in all reality any PAW situation is going to be freaking horrible.
Watch the movie and/or read the book "The Road" I think the end of the world is going to be more like that than anything else...
I read "The Road" a few years ago...thought it was pretty good haven't seen the film.
Obviously, I spend a lot of time musing about Apoc situations...and the one thing that always amuses me is hearing about how much "fun" it would be.
I often wonder how much " fun" these same people will be having when they have to have a bullet dug out of their body with out benefit of anistetic...or have to have their leg removed with a hacksaw because it's gone gangrenous.
Life and death situations, particularly on a global scale aren't /wouldn't be "fun"...it would be harsh and unforgiving....with no "Restart button" when you die.
FITZZ wrote: I can actually understand where Karon is coming from to a degree.
I live five/ten minutes from Atlanta ( can see the city from my window) and I know damn good and well should a zombie apocalypse ever happen that city is going to be a nightmare...pretty much every man, woman and child inside the city limits is going to die...and those that do survive are going to be surrounded by several million zombies...
Which is why at the first sign of trouble I plan to get as far from Atlanta as I can...
I would imagine for someone who's been trapped inside a major urban area, with perhaps a few weeks worth of food ( if that) and millions of flesh hungry dead just outside the door...the idea of just " cashing out" would begin to look more and more appealing with each passing day.
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" A. hell yeah it would be fun! screw this world of war and jobs and politics!"
...None of these things would be gone in a zombie Apoc situation...if anything they would be much much harsher...
War would be every where...in many cases War would be day to day survival.
Jobs?...If you hate flipping burgers just think how much your going to hate digging gak holes, or clearing dead bodies for burning...or the multitude of other dirty jobs you'll have to do to survive..
Politics...again, they won' t go anywhere...just alter form, you may find groups who operate diplomaticly ( though very rarely I'd suspect)...and your sure to find many who's politics is to shove a pistol into your face , cock the hammer and tell you it's their way or ..bang.
Pretty much, Zombie Apocalypse is fun to joke about as a sort of escapism, and I use it as a funny way to prep for real world disasters, but in all reality any PAW situation is going to be freaking horrible.
Watch the movie and/or read the book "The Road" I think the end of the world is going to be more like that than anything else...
I read "The Road" a few years ago...thought it was pretty good haven't seen the film.
Obviously, I spend a lot of time musing about Apoc situations...and the one thing that always amuses me is hearing about how much "fun" it would be.
I often wonder how much " fun" these same people will be having when they have to have a bullet dug out of their body with out benefit of anistetic...or have to have their leg removed with a hacksaw because it's gone gangrenous.
Life and death situations, particularly on a global scale aren't /wouldn't be "fun"...it would be harsh and unforgiving....with no "Restart button" when you die.
Put simply I would become a russian(Hey I have an SKS and a Ushanka all I need is more vodka)
FITZZ wrote:
Life and death situations, particularly on a global scale aren't /wouldn't be "fun"...it would be harsh and unforgiving....with no "Restart button" when you die.
FITZZ wrote:
Life and death situations, particularly on a global scale aren't /wouldn't be "fun"...it would be harsh and unforgiving....with no "Restart button" when you die.
FITZZ wrote:
Life and death situations, particularly on a global scale aren't /wouldn't be "fun"...it would be harsh and unforgiving....with no "Restart button" when you die.
normal life dosent have that either dude.
NOT IF YOU ARE DUNCAN MacCleod!!!!!!!!!
sorry dude,but no he dosent. *throws dust of reality in your eyes.*
FITZZ wrote:
Life and death situations, particularly on a global scale aren't /wouldn't be "fun"...it would be harsh and unforgiving....with no "Restart button" when you die.
normal life dosent have that either dude.
No, of course it doesn't...but you stand a much greater chance of getting your clock punched when most of the world is now trying to turn you into a buffet, and there are various groups running about with an " I'll take what I want and kill whoever get's in my way" frame of mind.
I'm simply saying I don't see a lot of " fun" going on, and perhaps that's where we differ...
In a situation like the one we've discussed my objective wouldn't be " fun" it would be survival...pure and simple.
FITZZ wrote:
Life and death situations, particularly on a global scale aren't /wouldn't be "fun"...it would be harsh and unforgiving....with no "Restart button" when you die.
normal life dosent have that either dude.
No, of course it doesn't...but you stand a much greater chance of getting your clock punched when most of the world is now trying to turn you into a buffet, and there are various groups running about with an " I'll take what I want and kill whoever get's in my way" frame of mind.
I'm simply saying I don't see a lot of " fun" going on, and perhaps that's where we differ...
In a situation like the one we've discussed my objective wouldn't be " fun" it would be survival...pure and simple.
survival would be fun for me...unless i got bored of it. then i would find new entertainment.maybe go hide in the forests or something.but i understand
and also apparently the dust of reality is LSD,so watch out.
FITZZ wrote:
Life and death situations, particularly on a global scale aren't /wouldn't be "fun"...it would be harsh and unforgiving....with no "Restart button" when you die.
normal life dosent have that either dude.
No, of course it doesn't...but you stand a much greater chance of getting your clock punched when most of the world is now trying to turn you into a buffet, and there are various groups running about with an " I'll take what I want and kill whoever get's in my way" frame of mind.
I'm simply saying I don't see a lot of " fun" going on, and perhaps that's where we differ...
In a situation like the one we've discussed my objective wouldn't be " fun" it would be survival...pure and simple.
survival would be fun for me...unless i got bored of it. then i would find new entertainment.maybe go hide in the forests or something.but i understand
and also apparently the dust of reality is LSD,so watch out.
...I'm familar with the effects of " the dust of reality"...so long as trees don't begin to uproot themselves and walk away...I'll be fine...
true but still dont like him. maybe its just cause im from the south.
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FITZZ wrote: ...I'm familar with the effects of " the dust of reality"...so long as trees don't begin to uproot themselves and walk away...I'll be fine...
no offense meant but your one strange role model for your kids.
this is what it seems like to me that they might think:
we should be a zombie expert who goes on the computer a fairly good amount and act very strange and be layed back about worries like the effects of reality dust.
id be worse though i go on the computer a very good amount and know all kinds of strange stuff and am lazy and only kinda layed back and not too right in the head
No offense taken, my kids are happy, healthy and doing fine..
I don't BS my kids ( well not much), they know about sex, they know about drugs (and that I've done them...so I know what I'm talking about when I tell them what problems they can cause) and they know what's expected from them.
They get that Daddy likes zombie films and books, and that those books/films are works of fiction...they understand Fantasy/ real world..
Also, as I've noted several times in the past...though my computer has me "logged in" a lot of that time I'm doing other stuff...playing with the kids, talking with the Missus...walking the dog..etc,etc...I just stay logged in and check up from time to time.
No offense taken, my kids are happy, healthy and doing fine..
I don't BS my kids ( well not much), they know about sex, they know about drugs (and that I've done them...so I know what I'm talking about when I tell them what problems they can cause) and they know what's expected from them.
They get that Daddy likes zombie films and books, and that those books/films are works of fiction...they understand Fantasy/ real world..
Also, as I've noted several times in the past...though my computer has me "logged in" a lot of that time I'm doing other stuff...playing with the kids, talking with the Missus...walking the dog..etc,etc...I just stay logged in and check up from time to time.
awesome. not kidding,thats awesome parenting and i agree with some other posters here.lots of the stuff you learn from zombie stuff is useful in a real disaster or in other similar situations. revolving it around zombies is just a way to make it fun and stick better to be honest.
Honestly, if you think the end of the world is going to be a awesome fun time, go spend some time in a third world nation, you'll get a nice up close view of what life is going to be like.
I'm in the minority. I thought The Road sucked. Decent (but not great story) very, very poorly written. The style of writing just annoyed me to no end. I finished it because I have a 'Start it, Finish it' policy on books, but that was one I wanted to put down.
I just finished Metro 2033 over the weekend. Same thing. A book that all the Cool Kids love I found was just torturous to plow through.
Karon wrote:I think its funny how some of the people on here think of the Zombie Outbreak..thing as a fun time.
It would be the end of the world as we know it, I can't even imagine it. Just having to live in a world like that..its mind boggling, really.
I wouldn't be escaping Chicago, not a chance in hell. Anyone that is outside of a city is has a chance, but the cities will basically turn into a bigass rock with a gakload of fire ants all over it.
Only if I found myself outside of the city would I even consider going on and trying to survive. I just can't handle the thought of being eaten alive and hunted by such beings, I still wince at that scene of Shaun of the Dead where the guy with the glasses is in the pub and is all like "feth YOU GUYS I'LL GO KILL ALL THE ZOMBIES MYSELF" and breaks the window and gets his stomach ripped open and eaten.
One shot to the head hopefully takes me out without any pain, always wondered how that would feel.
Thats because you Illinois types are wussies. In contrast a country boy can survive. A couple of sheriff posse's later and there will be no zombie problem in Texas. If we can turn rounding up and killing thousands of deadly rattlers into an annual fair, I think we can deal with shambling road rage opportunities.
I just thought of another Zombie games event, this one for the kiddies. At the Zombie rodeo, instead of trying to pull the ribbon off the calf, we can give the kids golf clubs and play "brain the zombie."
Oh another one. Instead of bull riding we can put four or five zombies in with a nice pissed off bull. This is getting better and better.
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Sckitzo wrote:Honestly, if you think the end of the world is going to be a awesome fun time, go spend some time in a third world nation, you'll get a nice up close view of what life is going to be like.
See thats the problem.
1. We're talking about shambling undead. There's no seriousness involved. This is strictly Shaun of the Dead. Remember, we're on a board that plays games of toy soldiers...
2. some of us disagree it would be Zombiepocalypse. Some realize it would just be the Zombie Games, and a chance to take a much needed one week vacation. Where I work I pretty much need a zombie outbreak to get an honest day off.
Up at school, we have a name for people from Illinois...FIB's...which stands for Fething Illinois Bast**ds! plus, i didnt get into UofI, so i will eternally hate them...
I'd try to go to national parks, empty national parks! come on, that would be sweet, could take my mini's with me and play 40k at Grand Canyon or Zion! not really realistic, but considering the fact this is a thread about zombie apocalypse, i think it will slide. Who else wants to join the Grand canyon 40k club! you know you want to!
Sckitzo wrote:Honestly, if you think the end of the world is going to be a awesome fun time, go spend some time in a third world nation, you'll get a nice up close view of what life is going to be like.
you confuse me. i said that zombies is just a way to make those helpful things you can learn for actual situations fun and stick in your mind better.i never said it would be fun itself. or are you talking about something from a different post?
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dajobe wrote:Up at school, we have a name for people from Illinois...FIB's...which stands for Fething Illinois Bast**ds! plus, i didnt get into UofI, so i will eternally hate them...
I'd try to go to national parks, empty national parks! come on, that would be sweet, could take my mini's with me and play 40k at Grand Canyon or Zion! not really realistic, but considering the fact this is a thread about zombie apocalypse, i think it will slide. Who else wants to join the Grand canyon 40k club! you know you want to!
definitely, my goal would be to acquire so many minis that i could have a full scale epic game in a parking lot using the 40k minis! that would quite literally be EPIC, lol
dajobe wrote:definitely, my goal would be to acquire so many minis that i could have a full scale epic game in a parking lot using the 40k minis! that would quite literally be EPIC, lol
a parking lot...dang that alot. who you gonna play against,a zombie? if you win he leaves,if he wins he eats you. oh cool,were now betting on 40k games. my tunas on-wait,what army do you have?
Wardragoon wrote:Hmm here is a problem....what about erm sex
What about it?..it's not as though humans are going to stop having sex.
Depending on how many people are left and what kind of knowledge base remains you could have a lot of issues with various aspects of sex and reproduction. Many women find menstruation painful and so take either pain killers or pills/injections/etc to take away the pain or to halt the menstruation cycle. You also don't want to run the risk of getting a mini-person every time you have sex
Not to mention potentially going back to the dark ages in terms of child birth, etc.
Though I would agree with you that people are almost certainly not going stop a-humpin' given half the chance
Really? Most people will be armed. I suspect a chick with a 12 gauge who is not scared to use it kind of turns off the douchebags that prey on the weak and helpless.
Sex and reproduction are ( obviously) natural human functions, so of course they'd continue.
I don't see a regression to the dark ages concerning the aspect of child birth ( at least not in most cases) as due to simple advancements in knowledge most people have a working understanding of how the birth process works, now of course the instances of child birth related death would probably increase due to complications that, while in a hospital are no big deal, would be problematic in say a bomb shelter or a warehouse..
Also, concerning the discomfort from menstruation...I would assume that pain killers (in some form or other) will still be available/ stockpiled....but yes I'd imagine it could be a problem for some.
And , as in current times, you won't get a mini-you everytime you have sex...just when the conditions are right, and of course condoms will still be hanging in every drugstore to aid in preventing unwanted pregnacy.
CptJake wrote:Really? Most people will be armed. I suspect a chick with a 12 gauge who is not scared to use it kind of turns off the douchebags that prey on the weak and helpless.
true but there will be lots who wont. it could go either way i guess. its not like i want it to happen,but im saying it probably will. not everyone will have a gun,and if that douche bag puts a gun to the back of your head,your not gonna have a choice. if i could id go around and get rid of scum like that,but if we are ever in a zombie situation,ill be to busy trying to live myself.
dajobe wrote:definitely, my goal would be to acquire so many minis that i could have a full scale epic game in a parking lot using the 40k minis! that would quite literally be EPIC, lol
a parking lot...dang that alot. who you gonna play against,a zombie? if you win he leaves,if he wins he eats you. oh cool,were now betting on 40k games. my tunas on-wait,what army do you have?
if i found a zombie that was willing to play, yes, luckily, zombies are newbs at 40k by nature. They all play as the IG and only have normal guardsman with lasguns, so i think i could take them DOWN because i will have gathered 50 titans by the time i got there(stole them from dead people!). I have an IG army, Ultramarine army, Tau army and Necron. But i have always wanted to play orks, or Dark angels...or any army.
and if i win, then he has to jump off the grand canyon ridge. If he wins, i whip out my shotgun and shoot him in the face!
dajobe wrote:definitely, my goal would be to acquire so many minis that i could have a full scale epic game in a parking lot using the 40k minis! that would quite literally be EPIC, lol
a parking lot...dang that alot. who you gonna play against,a zombie? if you win he leaves,if he wins he eats you. oh cool,were now betting on 40k games. my tunas on-wait,what army do you have?
if i found a zombie that was willing to play, yes, luckily, zombies are newbs at 40k by nature. They all play as the IG and only have normal guardsman with lasguns, so i think i could take them DOWN because i will have gathered 50 titans by the time i got there(stole them from dead people!). I have an IG army, Ultramarine army, Tau army and Necron. But i have always wanted to play orks, or Dark angels...or any army.
and if i win, then he has to jump off the grand canyon ridge. If he wins, i whip out my shotgun and shoot him in the face!
im going to get an IG army.have it planned out. just dont have money....and i think he would win. all that red beams would slowly melt them from the constant heat or just blind them so they cant see. then again you can just trample them.
dajobe wrote:NEVAR! the void shields on my titans can take INFINITE las bolts!
the zombie gets angry and throws them off the grand canyon.
but being in the canyon would be good place to be. most zombies will fall in and die,very few would make it alive plus people wouldn't think to go their so you would have good isolation.
You still make some valid points, with out modern conveniences such as Hospitals the simple act of child birth becomes much more dangerous....hell even a broken bone becomes problematic with out someone knowledgeable in the process of setting .
This is why people with medical knowledge will be extreamlly important.
I think there are parts from every aspect of life that would change beyond all recognition if our technology were lost. Something as simple as aspirin is made in labs with raw materials from all over the world.
When the machine of society breaks down, you lose not only the end product, but in many cases the means of acquiring the raw materials, and eventually the means of making the equipment to get the raw materials, etc, etc... In a couple of generations we could essentially be back in the dark ages.
While not a zombie apocalypse, Book of Eli painted a nice portrait of how difficult life would get once society as a whole falls, including the lack of indoor plumbing.
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Any other problems need solving? I went with the fun turtle seat, simply because in a world that gakky, you need something to make you smile. Even if its just before the foul order hits you from the previous 3 days use
The turtle seat is sear win!
Yes eventually toliet paper would run out and life wouldn't be as nice...
leaves are not bad, ive used them in boy scouts before(because of bad planning) and its all about finding the right kind before you...go. also never ever ever ever, use dry dead leaves, pick em fresh!
dajobe wrote:leaves are not bad, ive used them in boy scouts before(because of bad planning) and its all about finding the right kind before you...go. also never ever ever ever, use dry dead leaves, pick em fresh!
yeah...and im pretty sure you dont want to use spiky or poisony leaves
Sckitzo wrote:Honestly, if you think the end of the world is going to be a awesome fun time, go spend some time in a third world nation, you'll get a nice up close view of what life is going to be like.
you confuse me. i said that zombies is just a way to make those helpful things you can learn for actual situations fun and stick in your mind better.i never said it would be fun itself. or are you talking about something from a different post?
For the about fun part
lord commissar klimino wrote:
survival would be fun for me...unless i got bored of it. then i would find new entertainment.maybe go hide in the forests or something.but i understand
and also apparently the dust of reality is LSD,so watch out.
That was more directed at the general attitude that a complete collapse of society would be a fun time free of responsibilities and having to do "stuff"
I haven't read The Road yet, so can't comment on the book, but I will say, when your in laws come up, don't suggest it as a movie to watch, I think we all wanted to suck start a pistol by the end of it
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Sckitzo wrote:Honestly, if you think the end of the world is going to be a awesome fun time, go spend some time in a third world nation, you'll get a nice up close view of what life is going to be like.
Frazzled wrote:
See thats the problem.
1. We're talking about shambling undead. There's no seriousness involved. This is strictly Shaun of the Dead. Remember, we're on a board that plays games of toy soldiers...
2. some of us disagree it would be Zombiepocalypse. Some realize it would just be the Zombie Games, and a chance to take a much needed one week vacation. Where I work I pretty much need a zombie outbreak to get an honest day off.
I'm just a kill joy is all, no worries. Maybe it comes from spending to much time on ZS but I tend to get defensive when folks sound like their looking forward to murder and theft, even in a silly joking manner like a ZPAW.
And as for sex, I mentioned this earlier, but their are lots of forms of Birth Control (if your religion allows it) that do not require a trip to the pharmacy or gas station. Though we will be back in the days of child birth being a dangerous and potentially fatal situation, for both mother and child. It also doesn't help that we've deemed narrow hips as "attractive" so we've been slowly breeding out the genetics in women to make child birth easier for the last hundred or so years.
But yeah, give people nothing else to do in a high stress situation and their going to be at it like rabbits, it's hard wired into us everything else has gone to crap, do something life fulfilling before you die.
1)Ammo will run out someday
2)there are more of them then you
3)forgetting too double tap
how ill counter those when they come.
1)use melee weapons.and make those acturally very deadlt cannons that use hair spray and stuff.although you only got one shot really.
2)they are slower.they are dumber.dont get backed into a corner and you will be ok.
3)dont forget.and be fast on your feet.
1)Ammo will run out someday
2)there are more of them then you
3)forgetting too double tap
1. team up with someone who knows how to make improvised weapons or use blunt objects as melee weapons
2. unavoidable really, mobs will kill most of us.
3. tbh double tapping is really over emphasised thanks to zombieland, it just wastes ammo most of the time.
1)Ammo will run out someday
2)there are more of them then you
3)forgetting too double tap
Not sure about your country, but I would speculate that in the U.S there is enough readily available ammunition to put a round through the head of every man, woman and child in the country...repeatedly.
Now of course that doesn't mean one would have access to all of it, and of course location will also determine availability...however, in less than a ten mile radius from where I live there is a Military base, several pawn shops that sell guns and ammo, 2 Wal-marts loaded with weapons and two ( maybe three) " Hunting/outdoor" stores...ammo is everywhere...getting it would be the issue.
2. You may be outnumbered...but you have intelligence on your side.
3. Despite what the movies may say...one clean head shot will suffice...anything more is a waste of ammo.
Wardragoon wrote:Hmm here is a problem....what about erm sex
What about it?..it's not as though humans are going to stop having sex.
...i bet rape will go up though....
Rape isn't sex, it's a despicable act perpetrated by the lowest form of human filth...
true...but it still will be a problem.even more than now probably. when there is no law,filth comes out to play.
I think rape wont happens as much as youd think. Most people will be flesh eaters......and the living will be in smaller pockets. And if there is any type of order then the chances of rape happening would be even lower
Wardragoon wrote:Hmm here is a problem....what about erm sex
What about it?..it's not as though humans are going to stop having sex.
...i bet rape will go up though....
Rape isn't sex, it's a despicable act perpetrated by the lowest form of human filth...
true...but it still will be a problem.even more than now probably. when there is no law,filth comes out to play.
I think rape wont happens as much as youd think. Most people will be flesh eaters......and the living will be in smaller pockets. And if there is any type of order then the chances of rape happening would be even lower
Add to that that anyone caught engaging in sexual assault isn't going to have the benefit of trail and prison ( at least as far as I'm concerned) ...that sort of "instant justice" should serve as a deterrent ....or at least get rid of some of the vermin.
I agree with Fitzz in that while there would be a lack of public law system, i think that most people of the zombie wasteland would lighten their ammo load just a little for the rapists(shoot them).
dajobe wrote:I agree with Fitzz in that while there would be a lack of public law system, i think that most people of the zombie wasteland would lighten their ammo load just a little for the rapists(shoot them).
Personally it would depend, if they were a convicted rapist I probably wouldnt waste a bullet on them, however if they got surrounded by zombies I would happily turn and whistle, but middle of the act or someone in my 'party' then ya I would be inclined to waste them(though if they have a gun then I probably would just shoot em either way)
Sckitzo wrote:It also doesn't help that we've deemed narrow hips as "attractive" so we've been slowly breeding out the genetics in women to make child birth easier for the last hundred or so years.
Deeming something attractive doesn't mean that the genetics are changing. While we may find narrow hips attractive, what matters is whether these narrow-hipped women are procreating.
I would wager that throughout most of the world where population growth is occurring, narrow hips aren't high on the list of "potential mates" (China notwithstanding).
dajobe wrote:I agree with Fitzz in that while there would be a lack of public law system, i think that most people of the zombie wasteland would lighten their ammo load just a little for the rapists(shoot them).
Personally it would depend, if they were a convicted rapist I probably wouldnt waste a bullet on them, however if they got surrounded by zombies I would happily turn and whistle, but middle of the act or someone in my 'party' then ya I would be inclined to waste them(though if they have a gun then I probably would just shoot em either way)
i didnt mean convicted ones, i meant ones caught in the act, or someone comes up and tells you what they did and they are covered in bruises and the creep is right there...i think most people in a zombie wasteland would look at the rapist and go BAM
1)Ammo will run out someday
2)there are more of them then you
3)forgetting too double tap
Not sure about your country, but I would speculate that in the U.S there is enough readily available ammunition to put a round through the head of every man, woman and child in the country...repeatedly.
Now of course that doesn't mean one would have access to all of it, and of course location will also determine availability...however, in less than a ten mile radius from where I live there is a Military base, several pawn shops that sell guns and ammo, 2 Wal-marts loaded with weapons and two ( maybe three) " Hunting/outdoor" stores...ammo is everywhere...getting it would be the issue.
2. You may be outnumbered...but you have intelligence on your side.
3. Despite what the movies may say...one clean head shot will suffice...anything more is a waste of ammo.
Yes, I think you are right. There is an ammunition plant near me as well as a gun plant, and last I heard from someone who had worked there before at any given time they have around 20 million bullets in the warehouse. Of course they are making ammunition for both the military and the consumer. However in an apocalypse I doubt these factories will be readily available. Many of them will probably explode from some idiot raiding them with a cigarette and flicking it near the powder kegs. Plus, assuming we are in post apocalypse the military may do an executive order and clean out all ammo warehouses for their use only. I mean hell with the way the USA's government works our military could be fighting on 3 war fronts when the zombies hit, and then could take all supplies for the war effort.
I think we need to assume that no matter what, ammunition is a limited resource in a zombie apocalypse, and every round counts. I bought some of those zombie targets gonna take them to the range later on to see how well I can head shot them with my pistols from 30 yards out. At least that way I will know my abilities and the most optimal range to fire, thus being more efficient and thus wasting less ammo.
1) No Music
2) No Sleep
3) Lack of Food
4) Having MPD means my alter might say hello a little more often.
5) Lack of Smokes and Booze
6) I have a reason to use my Dad's Hunting Rifle
What is ok:
1) In some places peace and quiet.
2) Some people I'll never have to talk to again.
Sckitzo wrote:It also doesn't help that we've deemed narrow hips as "attractive" so we've been slowly breeding out the genetics in women to make child birth easier for the last hundred or so years.
Deeming something attractive doesn't mean that the genetics are changing. While we may find narrow hips attractive, what matters is whether these narrow-hipped women are procreating.
I would wager that throughout most of the world where population growth is occurring, narrow hips aren't high on the list of "potential mates" (China notwithstanding).
What I learned in one of my medical classes, more and more women are having trouble with child birth due to selective breeding.
And yes, America has tons and tons and tons of ammo sitting around, but it doesn't hurt to plan on it running out. Because you will run out, maybe you'll find more later, maybe not, but a backup plan helps.
And yes, America has tons and tons and tons of ammo sitting around, but it doesn't hurt to plan on it running out. Because you will run out, maybe you'll find more later, maybe not, but a backup plan helps.
True, even with the massive amounts of ammunition available on American soil, the knowledge and ability of re-loading ones own ammo will be a huge plus....
coolyo294 wrote:FITZZ! Would a national park like Zion be a good place to escape to in case my genius plan to get to Antarctica fails?
While I'm not familiar with Zion National Park, I do believe that many National Parks would make good defensiable locations to hold up in.
Being that many parks are located a fair distance from major population centers, are not easy to access by foot ( mountian areas) , have many open field to provide clear kill zones as well as elevation for survaliance, tend to be set up for camping and often have genorators, living/staff/ guest qaurters, medical set ups and other stocked matierials ( food and supplies in some cases)...I would think that some National Parks would make ideal compounds...with a bit of fortification and preping ( perhaps some sweep and clear).
coolyo294 wrote:FITZZ! Would a national park like Zion be a good place to escape to in case my genius plan to get to Antarctica fails?
While I'm not familiar with Zion National Park, I do believe that many National Parks would make good defensiable locations to hold up in.
Being that many parks are located a fair distance from major population centers, are not easy to access by foot ( mountian areas) , have many open field to provide clear kill zones as well as elevation for survaliance, tend to be set up for camping and often have genorators, living/staff/ guest qaurters, medical set ups and other stocked matierials ( food and supplies in some cases)...I would think that some National Parks would make ideal compounds...with a bit of fortification and preping ( perhaps some sweep and clear).
I'd personally look over the area, see what's there and where the nearest towns are, check the population of the towns and average population of the park itself...
Learn the lay of the land, access points...everything you can possiable learn about it...then ask yourself...is it viable?
If you have a group that could protect the area and keep it secure ( as secure as possiable) and still be able to aquire needed resources...then plan around it.
Well also to add to the discussion of Ammo. Like I mentioned earlier there is both an ammunition factory and a gun factory in my city, however they don't advertise their address. You cannot look them up, you cannot google map them. It is somewhat common knowledge to what part of town the factories are in. However, they conceal themselves from the public. You would have to go over the district they are in to find them, and the district they are in is very industrial and there are a lot of warehouses in the area.
So, yes, ammo will be available because there is a ton in the US, but that doesn't mean we can access it during a crisis. Plus, the owners of said companies will probably horde it the second things go wrong because they know how valuable it will be. Think about it, during an apocalypse type situation just imagine the value of ammo?
Remember the biggest problem on ammo would be people who would hoard it and then get turned, so unless they didnt hide it very well or you get lucky that ammo may as well be considered lost.
coolyo294 wrote:Actually, if the Survivalist is anyone to go by, one man and a gun can successfully defend themselves for a very, very long time in Zion.
Yeah and when the Russians tried to invade Finland in WWII they got their asses handed to them because they got bottle necked alongside some mountains, and it was during the winter on Finland's home front. However, in this day and age, if the end of days happens, just think of everyone current in service will have access to when all the world governments fall. Sure, a trained person with a gun in a fortified position with enough ammo can defend them self, that I agree with you. Given an apocalypse situation I don't think that would be such a good idea. I think a mobile survivalist would have better chances than a guy held up somewhere. There very well be some ex military people well armed that will RPG your strong hold.
I am not saying this will happen, but I still think you need to always assume the worst in an apocalypse sort of situation. Zombies, not very smart, you can hold yourself up and pick them off. Granted you have the fortifications and ammo to do so, the living are much more cunning.
Crom wrote:Well also to add to the discussion of Ammo. Like I mentioned earlier there is both an ammunition factory and a gun factory in my city, however they don't advertise their address. You cannot look them up, you cannot google map them. It is somewhat common knowledge to what part of town the factories are in. However, they conceal themselves from the public. You would have to go over the district they are in to find them, and the district they are in is very industrial and there are a lot of warehouses in the area.
So, yes, ammo will be available because there is a ton in the US, but that doesn't mean we can access it during a crisis. Plus, the owners of said companies will probably horde it the second things go wrong because they know how valuable it will be. Think about it, during an apocalypse type situation just imagine the value of ammo?
I agree that private/military ammo manufaction facilities wouldn't be easy to locate ( and may be emptied if you did find them, though I doubt the military would bother with taking Civ. ammo stockpiles), and of course ammo along with food.water and "know how" will be the new "coin of the realm"...though I'd hope a single individule sitting on several million rounds would have enough foresight to understand that the distribution of those rounds benifits him more than simply hording them...but of course humans are human and could very well miss the larger picture in favor of " look at all the stuff I have that you need"...if you follow.
Now, as for "civilian" distributors ( Wal-Mart, Gun stores, etc), I speculate that many will be depleated, many won't...it would be hit and miss on supply searches...
Again, stockpiling ones own ammo cache prior to crisis ( I have 2,000 + rounds, various calibers ATM, and hope to double that by summers end) and knowing how to re-load ammo ( most people will be grabbing shells, not re-loading supplies in the initial panic) will help insure you have adequet ammunition.
Ammo won't be an issue. In fact, I can't really see how it would be a problem at all. I don't see military forces being beaten by zombies anytime soon.
Crom wrote:Well also to add to the discussion of Ammo. Like I mentioned earlier there is both an ammunition factory and a gun factory in my city, however they don't advertise their address. You cannot look them up, you cannot google map them. It is somewhat common knowledge to what part of town the factories are in. However, they conceal themselves from the public. You would have to go over the district they are in to find them, and the district they are in is very industrial and there are a lot of warehouses in the area.
So, yes, ammo will be available because there is a ton in the US, but that doesn't mean we can access it during a crisis. Plus, the owners of said companies will probably horde it the second things go wrong because they know how valuable it will be. Think about it, during an apocalypse type situation just imagine the value of ammo?
I agree that private/military ammo manufaction facilities wouldn't be easy to locate ( and may be emptied if you did find them, though I doubt the military would bother with taking Civ. ammo stockpiles), and of course ammo along with food.water and "know how" will be the new "coin of the realm"...though I'd hope a single individule sitting on several million rounds would have enough foresight to understand that the distribution of those rounds benifits him more than simply hording them...but of course humans are human and could very well miss the larger picture in favor of " look at all the stuff I have that you need"...if you follow.
Now, as for "civilian" distributors ( Wal-Mart, Gun stores, etc), I speculate that many will be depleated, many won't...it would be hit and miss on supply searches...
Again, stockpiling ones own ammo cache prior to crisis ( I have 2,000 + rounds, various calibers ATM, and hope to double that by summers end) and knowing how to re-load ammo ( most people will be grabbing shells, not re-loading supplies in the initial panic) will help insure you have adequet ammunition.
All of my guns are chambered in military rounds.
5.56
7.62
7.62x54R
then my hand guns
9
40
357
and I really want to buy a .44 mag but that will be down the road I also want a .45acp as well
coolyo294 wrote:Actually, if the Survivalist is anyone to go by, one man and a gun can successfully defend themselves for a very, very long time in Zion.
Yeah and when the Russians tried to invade Finland in WWII they got their asses handed to them because they got bottle necked alongside some mountains, and it was during the winter on Finland's home front. However, in this day and age, if the end of days happens, just think of everyone current in service will have access to when all the world governments fall. Sure, a trained person with a gun in a fortified position with enough ammo can defend them self, that I agree with you. Given an apocalypse situation I don't think that would be such a good idea. I think a mobile survivalist would have better chances than a guy held up somewhere. There very well be some ex military people well armed that will RPG your strong hold.
I am not saying this will happen, but I still think you need to always assume the worst in an apocalypse sort of situation. Zombies, not very smart, you can hold yourself up and pick them off. Granted you have the fortifications and ammo to do so, the living are much more cunning.
Everything is really situational, a static defense ( fort/ stronghold) has it merits in that, once secured and stocked, your "zombie concerns" are fairly limited, so long as supplies hold out, and if your in an area with limited zombie presence...forays into small civilian centers to search for supplies could be achieved with minimal risk ( though emphasis should be placed on trying to remain self sufficent...growing ones own food, etc)
And of course the human threat is ever present, the ability to repel/ hold off invading groups of scavengers would be nesacary ...off course you'd have the advantage of being inside a secured area...while they wouldn't,nearby zombies drawn by the sounds of combat may arrive and actually help you in this situation.
Of course if your breached, having an way out/fall back posissition is imperative....
Mobile Survivalist have the advantage in that being mobile leads to less chance of discovery ( other than by being spotted on the go), but has the huge drawback of always being out in the open, having to locate safe shelter daily ( you will have to sleep) and having to constantly forage for supplies.
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FITZZ wrote:
Crom wrote:Well also to add to the discussion of Ammo. Like I mentioned earlier there is both an ammunition factory and a gun factory in my city, however they don't advertise their address. You cannot look them up, you cannot google map them. It is somewhat common knowledge to what part of town the factories are in. However, they conceal themselves from the public. You would have to go over the district they are in to find them, and the district they are in is very industrial and there are a lot of warehouses in the area.
So, yes, ammo will be available because there is a ton in the US, but that doesn't mean we can access it during a crisis. Plus, the owners of said companies will probably horde it the second things go wrong because they know how valuable it will be. Think about it, during an apocalypse type situation just imagine the value of ammo?
I agree that private/military ammo manufaction facilities wouldn't be easy to locate ( and may be emptied if you did find them, though I doubt the military would bother with taking Civ. ammo stockpiles), and of course ammo along with food.water and "know how" will be the new "coin of the realm"...though I'd hope a single individule sitting on several million rounds would have enough foresight to understand that the distribution of those rounds benifits him more than simply hording them...but of course humans are human and could very well miss the larger picture in favor of " look at all the stuff I have that you need"...if you follow.
Now, as for "civilian" distributors ( Wal-Mart, Gun stores, etc), I speculate that many will be depleated, many won't...it would be hit and miss on supply searches...
Again, stockpiling ones own ammo cache prior to crisis ( I have 2,000 + rounds, various calibers ATM, and hope to double that by summers end) and knowing how to re-load ammo ( most people will be grabbing shells, not re-loading supplies in the initial panic) will help insure you have adequet ammunition.
All of my guns are chambered in military rounds.
5.56
7.62
7.62x54R
then my hand guns
9
40
357
and I really want to buy a .44 mag but that will be down the road I also want a .45acp as well
All of my current firearms are civilian...
.12 Gauge
9.MM .45 ACP
.357 Magnum
Sold my SKS a while back.
Next purchase will be a Ruger Mini-14
I believe, and this is just my opinion, that it's best to stick with Civ. weapons, or weapons that can eat civ. ammo.
Kasrkai wrote:Ammo won't be an issue. In fact, I can't really see how it would be a problem at all. I don't see military forces being beaten by zombies anytime soon.
the military will run out of ammo real fast cause most likely they will be held up in their bases. and even if they try to do something like go out to kill all the zombies, by the time there a problem they will just get overrun.
Kasrkai wrote:Ammo won't be an issue. In fact, I can't really see how it would be a problem at all. I don't see military forces being beaten by zombies anytime soon.
the military will run out of ammo real fast cause most likely they will be held up in their bases. and even if they try to do something like go out to kill all the zombies, by the time there a problem they will just get overrun.
Again, military response is speculative...
I would guess it would be a combination of Defend/ Engage.
I don't see the military running out of ammunition,at least not on a grand scale...but I do see problems ( potentialy) with how they may engage undead "forces"...
A great deal of modern military ofencive tactics are geared towards "shock and awe" ( bombing the gak out of an area), zombies wouldn't succumb to " shock and awe" as they can't be demoralized, and many modern " anti-personal" weapons would, in theory, have little affect on a horde of undead...a zombie with it's insides blown out, or limbs blown off...is still an active combatant ( if slightly debilitated).
The Military would have to re-think how it engages an undead enemy.
odd question; do you think the fact that their zombies instead of humans would make us adapt less. humans are always thinking of new ways to kill each other or if being invaded find ways to survive or escape. yet would them being zombies affect this.
the thing is you would think it wouldnt.you would think we could kill dumb things as well as we kill each other,yet people have tried to wipe out certain species of pests before and been unsuccessful.
lord commissar klimino wrote:odd question; do you think the fact that their zombies instead of humans would make us adapt less. humans are always thinking of new ways to kill each other or if being invaded find ways to survive or escape. yet would them being zombies affect this.
the thing is you would think it wouldnt.you would think we could kill dumb things as well as we kill each other,yet people have tried to wipe out certain species of pests before and been unsuccessful.
I don't believe it would make us adapt " less", in fact I believe it would give us no choice other than to adapt to a completely new set of " rules'...in virtually all aspects.
I agree with you on all levels, but I think the fundamental difference between us is that I have little faith in humanity coming together to help one another come post apocalypse, all the nice and helping people will be killed by the greedy thoughtless people. I agree with you on a strong hold, but man, fire can be an end all situation for your strong hold.
When I look at it as an against all odds, survive at no costs scenario I think about everything I could possibly do (with out bringing in ethics or morals here) to survive. Now would I do the lowest of the low to survive? I say no, that I would not, but I have never been in a situation where it is literally kill or be killed. I think that is the big x factor, and when looking into zombie culture/literature/film there is always a constant human element that betrays other humans, and sometimes for the most petty of things.
So, I say be mobile, stay low, steal if you have to, avoid all confrontation, avoid everything until it passes over to a point where you can settle down, then maybe band with people and start over. I can hunt, fish, start a fire, etc, but I am not really a ranger or out door person. I am city folk who just happen to have some rednecks in my family that taught me such things.
Otherwise I think your logic is sound and your ideas are good, and I would be all aboard if we had to team up in the zombie apocalypse, but I am a very skeptical person by nature and I would always keep an eye on everyone around me at all times, and make the hard decisions if needed with out a second thought. My intentions would be for the greater good for the most part, but like you and I both already know it is all situational.
I agree with you on all levels, but I think the fundamental difference between us is that I have little faith in humanity coming together to help one another come post apocalypse, all the nice and helping people will be killed by the greedy thoughtless people. I agree with you on a strong hold, but man, fire can be an end all situation for your strong hold.
When I look at it as an against all odds, survive at no costs scenario I think about everything I could possibly do (with out bringing in ethics or morals here) to survive. Now would I do the lowest of the low to survive? I say no, that I would not, but I have never been in a situation where it is literally kill or be killed. I think that is the big x factor, and when looking into zombie culture/literature/film there is always a constant human element that betrays other humans, and sometimes for the most petty of things.
So, I say be mobile, stay low, steal if you have to, avoid all confrontation, avoid everything until it passes over to a point where you can settle down, then maybe band with people and start over. I can hunt, fish, start a fire, etc, but I am not really a ranger or out door person. I am city folk who just happen to have some rednecks in my family that taught me such things.
Otherwise I think your logic is sound and your ideas are good, and I would be all aboard if we had to team up in the zombie apocalypse, but I am a very skeptical person by nature and I would always keep an eye on everyone around me at all times, and make the hard decisions if needed with out a second thought. My intentions would be for the greater good for the most part, but like you and I both already know it is all situational.
Honestly, I don't have a great deal of faith in humanity, and readily agree with you that there would be a vast amount of remaining humans who would simply be reduced to " survive at others expense" mentality.
However, I also believe in the human condition to " bond", to seek out and join " like minded individules" ...which is why I think you'd find groups of humans banding together for survival as well...
Really, the only thing remotely like a " zombie apocalypse situation" that I base my belife on, is my post Katrina experiance ...and of course that was no where near the same thing, however...the mind set amongst those in the effected area were simalar in that you had groups who basicly took on a " get what I can...feth everyone else" mind set, and groups that sort of looked out for each other/ banded together.
Now, of course the situation was very different, we didn't have to contend with walking corpses trying to eat us....and most of us knew that "help" was coming ( sooner or later), but it did give me the oppertunity to witness first hand how people will behave when the "machine" breaks down...and in many cases ..it wasn't pretty.
I just hope...and in fact it is hope, that in a apoc situation...I would be able to conduct myself in a manner that, while ensuring my own survival, would also benifit those around me...at least those deserving of benifit.
lord commissar klimino wrote:odd question; do you think the fact that their zombies instead of humans would make us adapt less. humans are always thinking of new ways to kill each other or if being invaded find ways to survive or escape. yet would them being zombies affect this.
the thing is you would think it wouldnt.you would think we could kill dumb things as well as we kill each other,yet people have tried to wipe out certain species of pests before and been unsuccessful.
I don't believe it would make us adapt " less", in fact I believe it would give us no choice other than to adapt to a completely new set of " rules'...in virtually all aspects.
but now that i think on it more thats why more of us would die. humans have been killing each other for a long time,so we know how to change to situations like that. but zombies would be a whole new ball game. yeah,there would be survivors,and those who die just cause they were caught off guard. im mean if i saw a bunch of zombie,id be shocked,you would be shocked,we would just be able to snap to action sooner cause we have embedded it in us what to do in that situation while most people haven't. i think it will just depend. most people dont think about it,so they dont have the mind set to really even think of the world ending,let alone changing for it. they just wouldn't know how to adapt like us. there would be a few who do adapt just cause they are just fast thinkers,but most wouldn't. so i in summary more think most wouldn't adapt.
lord commissar klimino wrote:odd question; do you think the fact that their zombies instead of humans would make us adapt less. humans are always thinking of new ways to kill each other or if being invaded find ways to survive or escape. yet would them being zombies affect this.
the thing is you would think it wouldnt.you would think we could kill dumb things as well as we kill each other,yet people have tried to wipe out certain species of pests before and been unsuccessful.
I don't believe it would make us adapt " less", in fact I believe it would give us no choice other than to adapt to a completely new set of " rules'...in virtually all aspects.
but now that i think on it more thats why more of us would die. humans have been killing each other for a long time,so we know how to change to situations like that. but zombies would be a whole new ball game. yeah,there would be survivors,and those who die just cause they were caught off guard. im mean if i saw a bunch of zombie,id be shocked,you would be shocked,we would just be able to snap to action sooner cause we have embedded it in us what to do in that situation while most people haven't. i think it will just depend. most people dont think about it,so they dont have the mind set to really even think of the world ending,let alone changing for it. they just wouldn't know how to adapt like us. there would be a few who do adapt just cause they are just fast thinkers,but most wouldn't. so i in summary more think most wouldn't adapt.
I don't think there's really any way to determine how people ( overall) would react...I mean, there would obviously be panic,and a break down of order...but if it's one thing I've figured out where people are concerned...you can never be "sure" of how they'll act/ re-act.
One thing I have wondered about is, given the general public's knowledge of zombies ( inasmuch as most people know what a zombie is), would it serve as an asset should an actual zombie outbreak occur..
Think about it, in the books/ films...no one ever has a clue ( at first) just what in the hell they're dealing with, they're always like " People have gone crazy and are eating each other"...or what have you...no one ever stands up and say's " Yeah...those are zombies...shoot them in the head and whatever you do...don't get bit."
So, given that a fair amount of the population know about zombies ( at least on a base level) would that serve as an advantage to mankind...I mean after the initial " Holy Gak...this is really happening!" factor wore off...
I tend to believe it would.
I don't think there's really any way to determine how people ( overall) would react...I mean, there would obviously be panic,and a break down of order...but if it's one thing I've figured out where people are concerned...you can never be "sure" of how they'll act/ re-act.
One thing I have wondered about is, given the general public's knowledge of zombies ( inasmuch as most people know what a zombie is), would it serve as an asset should an actual zombie outbreak occur..
Think about it, in the books/ films...no one ever has a clue ( at first) just what in the hell they're dealing with, they're always like " People have gone crazy and are eating each other"...or what have you...no one ever stands up and say's " Yeah...those are zombies...shoot them in the head and whatever you do...don't get bit."
So, given that a fair amount of the population know about zombies ( at least on a base level) would that serve as an advantage to mankind...I mean after the initial " Holy Gak...this is really happening!" factor wore off...
I tend to believe it would.
i think it would be overall. i also think it would make some people freak out even more. i also think that cause we know about it we might have a small chance of stopping it from b=getting bad cause everyone knows what to do instead of not having any clue.
Exactly, knowing what they are from the onset provides one with the knowledge of how to destroy your targets and avoid becoming infected in the first place.... both of which would be key to halting an outbreak while it is still in the early stages...
Now, of course in the cases such as those depicted in " 28 days/weeks later" containment becomes much more dificult...as the virus spreads/ infected become active combatants much faster.
I honestly believe that if humanity ever faces hordes of flesh eating monsters...it will be in the form of infected humans rather than the re-animated dead....and of course since I live scant moments from the CDC..I'll probably have front row seats.
FITZZ wrote: Exactly, knowing what they are from the onset provides one with the knowledge of how to destroy your targets and avoid becoming infected in the first place.... both of which would be key to halting an outbreak while it is still in the early stages...
Now, of course in the cases such as those depicted in " 28 days/weeks later" containment becomes much more dificult...as the virus spreads/ infected become active combatants much faster.
I honestly believe that if humanity ever faces hordes of flesh eating monsters...it will be in the form of infected humans rather than the re-animated dead....and of course since I live scant moments from the CDC..I'll probably have front row seats.
i live in suburbs,so to be honest i wont be seeing a giant *ss horde of zombies anytime soon. that will be the cities. and as ive said,rabies.modified rabies.it just seems the most like what we imagine zombies to be like.except to whole 'dieing of brain melt' after a few days or whatever.
Your still going to have people refusing to believe, but I do sorta laugh in the movies when everyone is going "WTF IS GOING ON OMG!!!!" given the saturation zombie movies and books has reached.
Hopefully people will have a clue. Though to be honest, the head is a mighty small target to be aiming for.
Sckitzo wrote:Your still going to have people refusing to believe, but I do sorta laugh in the movies when everyone is going "WTF IS GOING ON OMG!!!!" given the saturation zombie movies and books has reached.
Hopefully people will have a clue. Though to be honest, the head is a mighty small target to be aiming for.
whet else are we going to shoot at anyways? shooting the body dosent kill them. and the legs are even harder to shoot then the god d*mn head! we have no were else to even shoot! thats probably why it became 'shoot the head!' cause its easier than trying to shoot and disable the other limbs!
Sckitzo wrote:Your still going to have people refusing to believe, but I do sorta laugh in the movies when everyone is going "WTF IS GOING ON OMG!!!!" given the saturation zombie movies and books has reached.
Hopefully people will have a clue. Though to be honest, the head is a mighty small target to be aiming for.
It really is...and will take people getting used to shooting before they get hits..
True story, my Brother and I, a few years ago, were trying to perfect our " zombie head shot" skills...
We gathered a bunch of those styrofoam heads, the kind used for holding wigs, and headed to my Uncles farm ( which is where we often did our target shooting)...
We set up the heads ( on rebar) at various distances and started taking shots with various firearms...shotguns, no problem, pistols and rifles ...took a while...and of course these targets didn't move.
The funny thing was, a Sheriff's Deputy showed up to investigate all the shooting...after a quick check on papers, he asked why we were shooting at the styrofoam heads...the look on his face when my Brother told him it was in case of a Zombie outbreak was priceless..
ers and looters will be shot on sight! 
...Internet Bravado aside...I find it difficult to believe you would shoot a loved on in the head and then laugh about it and spit on their remains, and if you actually could...then clearly you'd be a liability to have around.
erm,ive got to go...
...I'm familar with the effects of " the dust of reality"...so long as trees don't begin to uproot themselves and walk away...I'll be fine...
