1: Lack of dentistry - I have caps on my front teeth and one falls off every couple of years (it broke sunday night). Noone to fix them would be a real downer.


People always look at the short term survival aspect but not the long term annoyances (becoming a zombie in not planned)

2: Medication is a big one. Even if you're able to scrounge some, it'd run out fairly quickly.

Zombie attacks aside, the mortality rate among the elderly -- and infants, for that matter -- would skyrocket.

My major thing would be tooth paste. Sure Id be pretty well off for awhile. But after a few years...then what? Im crazy anal about my teeth.

Also food supply. If more people survive then the movies show, the wild life wont be able to sustain a huge group of people. What if they themselves get infected? How the hell are we going to eat?

5: Lack of clothes making ability. Once they are worn out they are gone for good. I don't know how to spin wool (the only viable option, apart from skins post the stone agification of tech levels). And I have a rough idea how to prepare a skin, but not sure if will get a decent finish to it.

Clothes last for a really long time, and department stores clothes racks were probably not looted if the buildings are intact and not taken over by zombies. The biggest problem would be finding the right sizes I guess.

Making repairs.

You'd have to scavange for replacement parts, and if it's anything more complicated than say, a bicycle, you'll need speacialized tools and someone with the training to make the repair.

666. Conformity- I would simply find the nearest zombie and join the latest fad.

42. Reading- Less time for reading when fearing for life.

13. No more Bruce Campbell movies- And yet watching his movies about zombies garners no useful information to fight them. :(

The biggest problem I could see would be medical needs beyond simple broken bones,stitches and such.
No matter how well armed or well stocked you are,if your appendix ruptures,and you don't have a trained Doctor on hand your pretty much JWF.

I'd think it'd be a temporary event, like a really bad hurricane worldwide. Again, the ferocity of shambling zombies that can be defeated by cricket bats has been severely overestimated.

Frazzled walks in and "deals with" the local DMV with a 5 iron and bucket of golf balls.
Passer by: "Wow thats a lot of zombies!"
Frazzled: "They were zombies?"

Passer by runs away very quickly.

Frazzled wrote:I'd think it'd be a temporary event, like a really bad hurricane worldwide. Again, the ferocity of shambling zombies that can be defeated by cricket bats has been severely overestimated.

Frazzled walks in and "deals with" the local DMV with a 5 iron and bucket of golf balls.
Passer by: "Wow thats a lot of zombies!"
Frazzled: "They were zombies?"

Passer by runs away very quickly.

You forgot the obligatory weiner dog.

WarOne wrote:

Frazzled wrote:I'd think it'd be a temporary event, like a really bad hurricane worldwide. Again, the ferocity of shambling zombies that can be defeated by cricket bats has been severely overestimated.

Frazzled walks in and "deals with" the local DMV with a 5 iron and bucket of golf balls.
Passer by: "Wow thats a lot of zombies!"
Frazzled: "They were zombies?"

Passer by runs away very quickly.

You forgot the obligatory weiner dog.

Who do you think catches the passer by?

Frazzled wrote:

WarOne wrote:

Frazzled wrote:I'd think it'd be a temporary event, like a really bad hurricane worldwide. Again, the ferocity of shambling zombies that can be defeated by cricket bats has been severely overestimated.

Frazzled walks in and "deals with" the local DMV with a 5 iron and bucket of golf balls.
Passer by: "Wow thats a lot of zombies!"
Frazzled: "They were zombies?"

Passer by runs away very quickly.

You forgot the obligatory weiner dog.

Who do you think catches the passer by?

Texas?

WarOne wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

WarOne wrote:

Frazzled wrote:I'd think it'd be a temporary event, like a really bad hurricane worldwide. Again, the ferocity of shambling zombies that can be defeated by cricket bats has been severely overestimated.

Frazzled walks in and "deals with" the local DMV with a 5 iron and bucket of golf balls.
Passer by: "Wow thats a lot of zombies!"
Frazzled: "They were zombies?"

Passer by runs away very quickly.

You forgot the obligatory weiner dog.

Who do you think catches the passer by?

Texas?

Ancient Buddha say: Beware of states chasing you!

Frazzled wrote:I'd think it'd be a temporary event, like a really bad hurricane worldwide. Again, the ferocity of shambling zombies that can be defeated by cricket bats has been severely overestimated.

Frazzled walks in and "deals with" the local DMV with a 5 iron and bucket of golf balls.
Passer by: "Wow thats a lot of zombies!"
Frazzled: "They were zombies?"

Passer by runs away very quickly.

I think your underestimating how many zombies the world would be faced with,if you look at the geometric nature with which the virus spreads,there could easily be over 200 million zombies with in a months time,at the end of the second month...well,I don't know that all the wiener dogs in Texas would be able to help you.

FITZZ wrote:

Frazzled wrote:I'd think it'd be a temporary event, like a really bad hurricane worldwide. Again, the ferocity of shambling zombies that can be defeated by cricket bats has been severely overestimated.

Frazzled walks in and "deals with" the local DMV with a 5 iron and bucket of golf balls.
Passer by: "Wow thats a lot of zombies!"
Frazzled: "They were zombies?"

Passer by runs away very quickly.

I think your underestimating how many zombies the world would be faced with,if you look at the geometric nature with which the virus spreads,there could easily be over 200 million zombies with in a months time,at the end of the second month...well,I don't know that all the wiener dogs in Texas would be able to help you.

Geometric number based on...what?

Viral and becteriologic spreads are substantially lower. As noted I can't wack the ebola vvirus with a shotgun. Further, to spread the disease you have to survive being eaten. If the zombies are so badass how does it spread when they literally eat the carriers?

Geometric numbers based on bite=infected.

For example,if you take a penny and double it geometrically for a month,at the end of that month you'd have over a Million dollars.
So,if you use the same formula for the spread of infection via bite,1 person bites another,they each go on to bite one person,those four go on to make eight..etc,you have a fair amount of zombies pretty quickly.
That is of course if you operate from the premise that there would be more than one " initial host" or "patient zero".
But even if there was simply one initial host,the chances of infection going unchecked remain fairly high.

FITZZ wrote: Geometric numbers based on bite=infected.

For example,if you take a penny and double it geometrically for a month,at the end of that month you'd have over a Million dollars.
So,if you use the same formula for the spread of infection via bite,1 person bites another,they each go on to bite one person,those four go on to make eight..etc,you have a fair amount of zombies pretty quickly.
That is of course if you operate from the premise that there would be more than one " initial host" or "patient zero".
But even if there was simply one initial host,the chances of infection going unchecked remain fairly high.

Then you're assumptions are way way off.

1. It wouldn't be geometric, it would be curve. Steep initially, then flattening rapidly, then declining, probably with a moderately long tail.
2. Your baseline 1 bite doubly time frame is clearly off.
3. Lagging factors are not accounted for.

Plumbing. I'd miss plumbing...

While not a zombie apocalypse, Book of Eli painted a nice portrait of how difficult life would get once society as a whole falls, including the lack of indoor plumbing.

Frazzled wrote:

FITZZ wrote: Geometric numbers based on bite=infected.

For example,if you take a penny and double it geometrically for a month,at the end of that month you'd have over a Million dollars.
So,if you use the same formula for the spread of infection via bite,1 person bites another,they each go on to bite one person,those four go on to make eight..etc,you have a fair amount of zombies pretty quickly.
That is of course if you operate from the premise that there would be more than one " initial host" or "patient zero".
But even if there was simply one initial host,the chances of infection going unchecked remain fairly high.

Then you're assumptions are way way off.

1. It wouldn't be geometric, it would be curve. Steep initially, then flattening rapidly, then declining, probably with a moderately long tail.
2. Your baseline 1 bite doubly time frame is clearly off.
3. Lagging factors are not accounted for.

Hmm, you have some good points Frazz...further research will be required on my part.

FITZZ wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

FITZZ wrote: Geometric numbers based on bite=infected.

For example,if you take a penny and double it geometrically for a month,at the end of that month you'd have over a Million dollars.
So,if you use the same formula for the spread of infection via bite,1 person bites another,they each go on to bite one person,those four go on to make eight..etc,you have a fair amount of zombies pretty quickly.
That is of course if you operate from the premise that there would be more than one " initial host" or "patient zero".
But even if there was simply one initial host,the chances of infection going unchecked remain fairly high.

Then you're assumptions are way way off.

1. It wouldn't be geometric, it would be curve. Steep initially, then flattening rapidly, then declining, probably with a moderately long tail.
2. Your baseline 1 bite doubly time frame is clearly off.
3. Lagging factors are not accounted for.

Hmm, you have some good points Frazz...further research will be required on my part.

I recommend Zombie:CSU by Jonathan Maberry.

I would hate the eventual lack of everything...especially losing the internet as a resource to learn how to do stuff would be a major blow.

Gavin Thorne wrote:Plumbing. I'd miss plumbing...

While not a zombie apocalypse, Book of Eli painted a nice portrait of how difficult life would get once society as a whole falls, including the lack of indoor plumbing.

+

Any other problems need solving? I went with the fun turtle seat, simply because in a world that gakky, you need something to make you smile. Even if its just before the foul order hits you from the previous 3 days use

Well, I was referring to (relatively) clean running water or "indoor plumbing" - of which the flush toilet is obviously difficult to use without. Without the infrastructure being maintained, water will stop flowing in and out, making the prospect of finding safe drinking, washing, and cooking water in Zombieland significantly more difficult...

Ok add 2x4 boards over a water fall. There running water


Yea I know its fun to imagine what you would do in zombieland and all but in all honesty, it would be HORRIBLY bad. Like you said, something as simple as drinking water would become hard to come by. It would also be alot more effort to make usable water drinkable.

Good thread.

1.Lack of proper sleep. How can I sleep knowing that a zombie could just eat my face off in my sleep?

2. Lack of washing machines. Sure you can just steal clothes from the remnants of strip-malls, but what about your favorite shirt? Those nice colorful socks you wore to prom?

3. Scarcity of booze. I'd probably need a bottle of jack every couple hours to keep me from killing myself, so unless I lived next to a JD factory, I'd be gak out of luck.

4. No internet. If I can't post on dakka and watch corn, I have no reason to live, much less kill zombies.

5. Music. I'd have to use a car or something to charge my ipod. That blows.

A couple more that I don't need to explain:

Lack of new clothes
Lack of fourchin
lack of communication
lack of a guitar amp
lack of fettuccine alfredo

Samus_aran115 wrote:
lack of a guitar amp

Acoustics are better anyways.


Also Id like to add the fact that I would never know what time or day it actually is. I know that sounds weird, but it bothers me when I forget, and just not knowing would be bad for me

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:5: Lack of clothes making ability. Once they are worn out they are gone for good. I don't know how to spin wool (the only viable option, apart from skins post the stone agification of tech levels). And I have a rough idea how to prepare a skin, but not sure if will get a decent finish to it.

Its the apocalypse... who is going to care if you're running around in the buff?

KingCracker wrote:Ok add 2x4 boards over a water fall. There running water


Yea I know its fun to imagine what you would do in zombieland and all but in all honesty, it would be HORRIBLY bad. Like you said, something as simple as drinking water would become hard to come by. It would also be alot more effort to make usable water drinkable.

I've thought of this one actually, as long as there is some form of electricity (gas generator/wind/solar) then dehumidifiers are the way to go

Ma55ter_fett wrote:

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:5: Lack of clothes making ability. Once they are worn out they are gone for good. I don't know how to spin wool (the only viable option, apart from skins post the stone agification of tech levels). And I have a rough idea how to prepare a skin, but not sure if will get a decent finish to it.

Its the apocalypse... who is going to care if you're running around in the buff?

You list your location as Minnesota. If that's true, I suggest you strip down and sleep outside tonight.

(Make sure to have 911 already queued up on your cell phone. Your hands will be too numb to work those tiny little buttons.)

Grakmar wrote:

Ma55ter_fett wrote:

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:5: Lack of clothes making ability. Once they are worn out they are gone for good. I don't know how to spin wool (the only viable option, apart from skins post the stone agification of tech levels). And I have a rough idea how to prepare a skin, but not sure if will get a decent finish to it.

Its the apocalypse... who is going to care if you're running around in the buff?

You list your location as Minnesota. If that's true, I suggest you strip down and sleep outside tonight.

(Make sure to have 911 already queued up on your cell phone. Your hands will be too numb to work those tiny little buttons.)

Never said "I" was going to run around in the buff.

Just suggesting to Waaagh_Gonads that running around northern Australia in naught but what you were born in doesn't sound like the most terrible of fates.

Yeah, it totally depends on the style of zombie. "Infected" type ala 28 days later, it would be a hold up til it blows over situation - by the way, was anyone else super pissed off at the second one and them "looking for a cure". The cure was lots of bullets and fire, and don't let it spread.

If it's like the new Dawn of the Dead - runners that are fully dead, we could have some problems.

Shamblers, I just don't see as being able to overwhelm the world at large, unless a whole lot of people make a whole lot of incredibly stupid decisions. That's been my problem with The Walking Dead, much as I love the show so far. How do they spread from city to city in large enough numbers quickly enough to overcome all resistance? All it takes is a good chain link fence to stop anything except overwhelming hordes.

Bromsy wrote:Yeah, it totally depends on the style of zombie. "Infected" type ala 28 days later, it would be a hold up til it blows over situation - by the way, was anyone else super pissed off at the second one and them "looking for a cure". The cure was lots of bullets and fire, and don't let it spread.

If it's like the new Dawn of the Dead - runners that are fully dead, we could have some problems.

Shamblers, I just don't see as being able to overwhelm the world at large, unless a whole lot of people make a whole lot of incredibly stupid decisions. That's been my problem with The Walking Dead, much as I love the show so far. How do they spread from city to city in large enough numbers quickly enough to overcome all resistance? All it takes is a good chain link fence to stop anything except overwhelming hordes.

First part, yes. The 2nd wasnt a horrible movie, but yea there were parts that annoyed me about it. Yea I too would just hold up like a hermit forawhile and let it die out.

Yes

Really? You are letting the fact that they are slow cloud how dangerous they are. Also a scratch or bite can infect you. Youve ALSO got to remember that in a situation like that, the military will set up "safe zones" where they will be taking people in at first. Thats where the zombie infection will breed like crazy. Then people will run away from there to hide, and naturally there will be people that are infected and either not know it at first, or wont tell anyone. BAM POW!!!!! Another small out break. And so on and so on and so on.

Sure we will be able to run past them if they are in small numbers, but in big groups man, its been said many times.

Yes, during the Zombie Apocalypse, the Zombies themselves would be quite problematic.

That and having no guns.

Medium of Death wrote:Yes, during the Zombie Apocalypse, the Zombies themselves would be quite problematic.

That and having no guns.

Well...yes..the zombies in a zombie apocalypse would be very problematic.
But,it is my steadfast belief that it is the humans in a zombie apocalypse that would be our undoing,people don't cooperate in large groups under the best conditions...throw in an army of walking corpses intent on eating everyone and spreading the virus with every bite,and I doubt humanity will suddenly start pulling together.

Another zombie thread!?

Stormrider wrote:Another zombie thread!?

Yes...obviously the threads spread faster than the zombie virus.

FITZZ wrote:

Medium of Death wrote:Yes, during the Zombie Apocalypse, the Zombies themselves would be quite problematic.

That and having no guns.

Well...yes..the zombies in a zombie apocalypse would be very problematic.
But,it is my steadfast belief that it is the humans in a zombie apocalypse that would be our undoing,people don't cooperate in large groups under the best conditions...throw in an army of walking corpses intent on eating everyone and spreading the virus with every bite,and I doubt humanity will suddenly start pulling together.

Unless you have the biggest stick.



Nobody is messing with her anytime soon.

#1 problem with the zombie apocalypse is that I live in a very dense metro area.

Medium of Death wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Medium of Death wrote:Yes, during the Zombie Apocalypse, the Zombies themselves would be quite problematic.

That and having no guns.

Well...yes..the zombies in a zombie apocalypse would be very problematic.
But,it is my steadfast belief that it is the humans in a zombie apocalypse that would be our undoing,people don't cooperate in large groups under the best conditions...throw in an army of walking corpses intent on eating everyone and spreading the virus with every bite,and I doubt humanity will suddenly start pulling together.

Unless you have the biggest stick.



Nobody is messing with her anytime soon.

Dear lord...If the zombies ever do show up,I definitely want her on my team.


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agroszkiewicz wrote:#1 problem with the zombie apocalypse is that I live in a very dense metro area.

True..I lived in San Francisco for a few years,your pretty much fethed...
Of course since I now reside five minutes outside of one of the largest cities in the South,which also happens to house the CDC,I guess I'd be fethed as well.

FITZZ wrote:

Medium of Death wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Medium of Death wrote:Yes, during the Zombie Apocalypse, the Zombies themselves would be quite problematic.

That and having no guns.

Well...yes..the zombies in a zombie apocalypse would be very problematic.
But,it is my steadfast belief that it is the humans in a zombie apocalypse that would be our undoing,people don't cooperate in large groups under the best conditions...throw in an army of walking corpses intent on eating everyone and spreading the virus with every bite,and I doubt humanity will suddenly start pulling together.

Unless you have the biggest stick.



Nobody is messing with her anytime soon.

Dear lord...If the zombies ever do show up,I definitely want her on my team.


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agroszkiewicz wrote:#1 problem with the zombie apocalypse is that I live in a very dense metro area.

True..I lived in San Francisco for a few years,your pretty much fethed...
Of course since I now reside five minutes outside of one of the largest cities in the South,which also happens to house the CDC,I guess I'd be fethed as well.

You do have Coca Cola, no apocalypse is complete without a refreshing soft drink!

@ Stormrider.

Why yes, we do have Coca Cola,in fact I live about ten miles from one of their bottling plants.
Actually,on the street that I live on there is not only a Coca Cola plant,but 2 Wal-Marts,a sporting goods shop,3 pawn shops,2 Army/Navy surplus stores and about five hundred car dealerships,all with in ten miles,all headed AWAY from Atlanta...maybe I would make it.

one thing that has bugged me for as long as ive known how many people work on an aircraft carrier... what happens to them?

think about it. the US has at least 3 carriers deployed at any given time, with support ships, thats well over 20K people, with a very male heavy gender ratio. They could EASILY survive a 28 days infection, and the genetic diversity is such that humanity will not die off due to lack thereof. they are fairly well organized, and well armed. and even in port, there are very few ways on or off the ship.

Big Mek Dattrukk wrote:one thing that has bugged me for as long as ive known how many people work on an aircraft carrier... what happens to them?

think about it. the US has at least 3 carriers deployed at any given time, with support ships, thats well over 20K people, with a very male heavy gender ratio. They could EASILY survive a 28 days infection, and the genetic diversity is such that humanity will not die off due to lack thereof. they are fairly well organized, and well armed. and even in port, there are very few ways on or off the ship.

I'd imagine they'd be fairly well off,at least as far as initial outbreak is concerned,of course there may be some problems with some crew members concerns for their families who would not be on ship,but actually an organized,combat prepared group on a floating,well stocked "island" would have a great chance of survival.

Bromsy wrote:Yeah, it totally depends on the style of zombie. "Infected" type ala 28 days later, it would be a hold up til it blows over situation - by the way, was anyone else super pissed off at the second one and them "looking for a cure". The cure was lots of bullets and fire, and don't let it spread.

They explained that it was important, because the virus could mutate or otherwise get into the population, so it was important to understand what allowed some people to survive, to innoculate everyone. Which was an alright explanation, considering everything else in the movie made little to no sense (what kind of a quarantine involves locking everyone in a single room, with a single locked door as the only barrier to the outside, and then not even bothering to guard that door?)

In a zombie apocalypse, the zombies are a short-term problem. They'll all rot soon enough.

My main problem with it is there would only be six episodes of it and then we'd have to wait for months to find out what happened.

After an initial outbreak (first couple years) scavenging is an ideal and obvious survival technique.

But when stuff runs out and you have to make/build/grow everything yourself you'll be kept very busy and so tied down to the one area, a sweep through of more zombies through the area would laeve you stuffed.

1. Other people.
2. Dentists.
3. Opticians.
4. Plumbers.

I know that 1 contradicts the other 3, but other people are the cause of most concerns, but can we live without the other 3?

Cheers

Andrew

To all the people complaining about plumbing, Id like you to answer me how the rest of our civilization has survived pre toilet invention? Ive never seen a cave painting of the almighty throne is all Im saying. Infact compare the time we HAVE had working plumbing, to how long we HAVNT had working plumbing. Youll realize its not that important.

My main problem with zombie apocalypse in the US is that people might not actually notice.

Milions of Americans becoming braindead? Dubya got elected, so did Obama. Perhaps it's already happened.

Orlanth wrote:My main problem with zombie apocalypse in the US is that people might not actually notice.

Milions of Americans becoming braindead? Dubya got elected, so did Obama. Perhaps it's already happened.

Hey hey hey! This isnt a Mr Mystery thread about hatin some Americuns. Im a bit insulted there

KingCracker wrote:To all the people complaining about plumbing, Id like you to answer me how the rest of our civilization has survived pre toilet invention? Ive never seen a cave painting of the almighty throne is all Im saying. Infact compare the time we HAVE had working plumbing, to how long we HAVNT had working plumbing. Youll realize its not that important.

Spend some time with an open sewer and you may change your mind........

or at least your sinuses.

Andrew

How did civilization survive pre plumbing? We didn't. Look at the aftermath in New Orleans after the flooding, now imagine living in it with no-one to clean it up.

Now you know why plumbing is important.

Orlanth wrote:Milions of Americans becoming braindead? Dubya got elected, so did Obama.

cf. British politics

tbh, zombie apocalypse, why not just shoot yourself in the head? (or another quick, painless suicide method?)
You will either end up living so uncomfortably if you managed to survive, or get eaten by zombies......

I'd miss beer, and ciggarettes. All of the smokes would go stale after a few years, and unlike my friends across the pond I do not like my beer warm and pissy.
I think I'd be able to get by once I got outside of the city, but finding/hunting/scavenging food would be a definite learning curve. I can barely feed myself without the missus and/or microwave as it is.

AndrewC wrote:

KingCracker wrote:To all the people complaining about plumbing, Id like you to answer me how the rest of our civilization has survived pre toilet invention? Ive never seen a cave painting of the almighty throne is all Im saying. Infact compare the time we HAVE had working plumbing, to how long we HAVNT had working plumbing. Youll realize its not that important.

Spend some time with an open sewer and you may change your mind........

or at least your sinuses.

Andrew

How did civilization survive pre plumbing? We didn't. Look at the aftermath in New Orleans after the flooding, now imagine living in it with no-one to clean it up.

Now you know why plumbing is important.

Oh dear, I disagree with that very much. But yea I go camping a few times a year, and I mean camping, not sitting around in a $100k hotel on wheels. The smell is bad yes, but totally not the end of the world if it doesnt work.


Speaking of, would the horrible stench of rotting human flesh give US a huge advantage when they are around though? Ive never smelled human flesh rotting, but I have smelled farm animals rot (grew up around farms alot) and that is something you smell from a LONG distance away. Oddly Ive never thought of that aspect until thinking about poop. Its true, the best thoughts DO come when on the john....or speaking about it anyways lol

Manchu wrote:

Orlanth wrote:Milions of Americans becoming braindead? Dubya got elected, so did Obama.

cf. British politics

Agreed. Which is why I have had a metaphorical 'shoot them in the head' policy on neo-socialism through the New Labour years.

rodgers37 wrote:tbh, zombie apocalypse, why not just shoot yourself in the head? (or another quick, painless suicide method?)
You will either end up living so uncomfortably if you managed to survive, or get eaten by zombies......

Not much chutzpah in you is there? Would you really rather off yourself rather than attempt to survive without a few modern creature comforts?
Sure...the zeds might get you in the end...but I can't see just giving up.

KingCracker wrote:Oh dear, I disagree with that very much. But yea I go camping a few times a year, and I mean camping, not sitting around in a $100k hotel on wheels. The smell is bad yes, but totally not the end of the world if it doesnt work.

In that case, you are the minority to the majority of people who live in their air-conditioned coccoon of microwave meals and daytime TV. The smell is not really the problem it's the lack of sanitation, cholera etc. Most people are completely ignorant of that.

Speaking of, would the horrible stench of rotting human flesh give US a huge advantage when they are around though? Ive never smelled human flesh rotting, but I have smelled farm animals rot (grew up around farms alot) and that is something you smell from a LONG distance away. Oddly Ive never thought of that aspect until thinking about poop. Its true, the best thoughts DO come when on the john....or speaking about it anyways lol

Would they? The classical zombie does, but with the exception of 28 days I've never seen a decaying zombie. The process of 'turning' them always seems to preserve them.

Cheers

Andrew

@ AndrewC

In most zombie films that I'm familiar with,the zombies continue to rot,the process is simply slower than it would be with an uninfected/unanimated body.

FITZZ wrote:

rodgers37 wrote:tbh, zombie apocalypse, why not just shoot yourself in the head? (or another quick, painless suicide method?)
You will either end up living so uncomfortably if you managed to survive, or get eaten by zombies......

Not much chutzpah in you is there? Would you really rather off yourself rather than attempt to survive without a few modern creature comforts?
Sure...the zeds might get you in the end...but I can't see just giving up.

If there was any hope of actually being able to do something, but just living to survive seems a bit pointless, it might be 'fun' for a while...If there was nothing, what would you be fighting for?

AndrewC wrote:

KingCracker wrote:Oh dear, I disagree with that very much. But yea I go camping a few times a year, and I mean camping, not sitting around in a $100k hotel on wheels. The smell is bad yes, but totally not the end of the world if it doesnt work.

In that case, you are the minority to the majority of people who live in their air-conditioned coccoon of microwave meals and daytime TV. The smell is not really the problem it's the lack of sanitation, cholera etc. Most people are completely ignorant of that.

Speaking of, would the horrible stench of rotting human flesh give US a huge advantage when they are around though? Ive never smelled human flesh rotting, but I have smelled farm animals rot (grew up around farms alot) and that is something you smell from a LONG distance away. Oddly Ive never thought of that aspect until thinking about poop. Its true, the best thoughts DO come when on the john....or speaking about it anyways lol

Would they? The classical zombie does, but with the exception of 28 days I've never seen a decaying zombie. The process of 'turning' them always seems to preserve them.

Cheers

Andrew

My point is, if people cannot live with out a potty then they deserve to be zombie food. Plain and simple.

And obviously I was talking about the classic zombie. 28Days later "zombies" were just people that were infected by a virus.

Not about zombies, but a book about dealing with loss of civilization as we know it: One Second After http://www.amazon.com/One-Second-After-William-Forstchen/dp/0765317583/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1291855382&sr=8-1

This lays out a lot of the issues folks would face. THis book scares me. It deals with a small US town after an EMP strike. Add in zombies and boy do you have trouble.

Jake

@Fitzz and KingCracker. I suppose that I am limited in what zombie movies that I've seen, there are a fair few of them afterall. The main characters never survive long enough to worry about decay. My main assumtion on the point of rot was taken from the Brooks book in which the process 'preserves' the body. Even the last Romero film seemed to have long 'living' zombies, bar the initial damage, biting etc, they seemed remarkably well preserved.

Cheers

Andrew

OP had a good point: Dentistry! Eventually we'll be knocking our own teeth out with rocks like in Castaway!

Won't zombies be easier to deal with than other humans after an apocalypse, especially if the population is armed. Zombies won't attack you at range and they won't loot the supermarket before you or steal your car.

Yep. Humans: they're always ruining a good zombie apocalypse.

George Spiggott wrote:Won't zombies be easier to deal with than other humans after an apocalypse, especially if the population is armed. Zombies won't attack you at range and they won't loot the supermarket before you or steal your car.

Agreed,

In practically every Romero zombie film,it's humans turning against one another that leads to disaster,the zombies are just there to "clean up" the mess the humans make.

Other people's stupidity would kill us all. Says zombieland

Why is everyone so worried about Dentistry? Folks survived before Dental was offered as a Job Benefit, I'm sure we could afterwards.

Only problem I would have would be the people around where I live, it's already pretty lawless around here, I don't want to know what it would be like with absolutely NO law.

I would have a problem with Dentistry as I'd lose my job and then I wouldn't then have the job benefits to keep my teeth clean.

I think law would be last as we don't need law to live (though I would miss the Law of Physics).

Slarg232 wrote:Why is everyone so worried about Dentistry?

Medium of Death wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:Why is everyone so worried about Dentistry?

Bamn! Was waiting for someone to post that. Thanks Medium. British smiles: uglier than Zombies.

Medium of Death wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:Why is everyone so worried about Dentistry?

gak!

I stand corrected

Biggest issue is traveling. Streets would be crowded and you'd be forced to walk. It takes a while to get used to walking 10-20 miles a day while carrying weapons and supplies. Fatigue would be a big issue.

Amaya wrote:Biggest issue is traveling. Streets would be crowded and you'd be forced to walk. It takes a while to get used to walking 10-20 miles a day while carrying weapons and supplies. Fatigue would be a big issue.

dont forget ammo & weight of your weapon can contribute to fatigue as well

I'd be worried about plumbing. The worst thing ever is to be squatting behind a bush and end up getting surrounded by zombies.

I have diabetes. Would run out of insulin at some point... I'd propably get killed before that though. And with my luck my death would not involve zombies. Some other... very... very... VERY unusual thing.

If I didn't get to my uncles manor in northern Sweden where literally nobody lives but him and his wife and a gakload of pets, I'd probably kill myself...I live in the very dense city known as Chicago, I'd just be chased down by the superhuman black zombies (like they weren't already before)

In such a scenario I'd be more worried about other survivors. Random people can be rude as it is. And likely dangerous during a breakdown of society. Second would be reliably growing food for years to come that doesn't risk you getting killed. And your up a creek without a paddle if you don't stock up on antibiotics and medical supplies.

kids crying. stupid little thing would cause you so much trouble.but most people just couldnt leave them their to die...well i would,but most wouldn't.

gaovinni wrote:I have diabetes. Would run out of insulin at some point... I'd propably get killed before that though. And with my luck my death would not involve zombies. Some other... very... very... VERY unusual thing.

+1

Althou I would be more concerd about my neighbours...... I have a few that already looks zombish, I would hate to see them after they have been turned. I would need a termonuclear weapon to kill those whales. Oh and I would definitly hate getting eaten while answering the call of nature, that wjould be a REALLY gakky way to die, in more ways than one

No one seems to fully understand the zombie pocalpyse anymore

lord commissar klimino wrote:kids crying. stupid little thing would cause you so much trouble.but most people just couldnt leave them their to die...well i would,but most wouldn't.

I actually think it would be much easier to get kids ( younger ones) to adapt than it would be to get most teens/ adults.
Children. once they get past the initial shock of " dead people trying to eat them", would probably be less of a problem than most " creature comfort" addicted teens/adults.

zxwarrior wrote:No one seems to fully understand the zombie pocalpyse anymore

I get it, but since we seem to be having a lack of walking dead Im not sure how I would react to said things

another thing is pets. sorry,but i need mah meat.

lord commissar klimino wrote:another thing is pets. sorry,but i need mah meat.

...I agree with this.
Having a good guard dog or two might be handy in some situations, but as for most dogs ( cats)...they're stew.

I need my hair cut every 3 months like clockwork, or else it turns into a mighty Jewfro of evil.

Also, I need to take a crap every two to three hours. That may be a problem.

Chowderhead wrote:I need my hair cut every 3 months like clockwork, or else it turns into a mighty Jewfro of evil.

Also, I need to take a crap every two to three hours. That may be a problem.

Razor shave your head, do this every week...problem one solved.
Learn A) crap fast in the woods or B) Balance your rear out of a high window...problem two solved.

FITZZ wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:I need my hair cut every 3 months like clockwork, or else it turns into a mighty Jewfro of evil.

Also, I need to take a crap every two to three hours. That may be a problem.

Razor shave your head, do this every week...problem one solved.
Learn A) crap fast in the woods or B) Balance your rear out of a high window...problem two solved.

But I look horrible in a buzz cut!

Chowderhead wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:I need my hair cut every 3 months like clockwork, or else it turns into a mighty Jewfro of evil.

Also, I need to take a crap every two to three hours. That may be a problem.

Razor shave your head, do this every week...problem one solved.
Learn A) crap fast in the woods or B) Balance your rear out of a high window...problem two solved.

But I look horrible in a buzz cut!

well its that or being blind and dead.choose wisely.

Chowderhead wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:I need my hair cut every 3 months like clockwork, or else it turns into a mighty Jewfro of evil.

Also, I need to take a crap every two to three hours. That may be a problem.

Razor shave your head, do this every week...problem one solved.
Learn A) crap fast in the woods or B) Balance your rear out of a high window...problem two solved.

But I look horrible in a buzz cut!

But you'd look even worse being torn to pieces by a bunch of zombies because you were wandering through the rubble hunting for an open barber shop.
Besides, short hair is better in combat situations, harder to grab.

KingCracker wrote:

Bromsy wrote:Yeah, it totally depends on the style of zombie. "Infected" type ala 28 days later, it would be a hold up til it blows over situation - by the way, was anyone else super pissed off at the second one and them "looking for a cure". The cure was lots of bullets and fire, and don't let it spread.

If it's like the new Dawn of the Dead - runners that are fully dead, we could have some problems.

Shamblers, I just don't see as being able to overwhelm the world at large, unless a whole lot of people make a whole lot of incredibly stupid decisions. That's been my problem with The Walking Dead, much as I love the show so far. How do they spread from city to city in large enough numbers quickly enough to overcome all resistance? All it takes is a good chain link fence to stop anything except overwhelming hordes.

First part, yes. The 2nd wasnt a horrible movie, but yea there were parts that annoyed me about it. Yea I too would just hold up like a hermit forawhile and let it die out.

Yes

Really? You are letting the fact that they are slow cloud how dangerous they are. Also a scratch or bite can infect you. Youve ALSO got to remember that in a situation like that, the military will set up "safe zones" where they will be taking people in at first. Thats where the zombie infection will breed like crazy. Then people will run away from there to hide, and naturally there will be people that are infected and either not know it at first, or wont tell anyone. BAM POW!!!!! Another small out break. And so on and so on and so on.

Sure we will be able to run past them if they are in small numbers, but in big groups man, its been said many times.

See, the assumption made in a show like The Walking Dead is that prior to the Necropocalypse nobody had ever heard of a zombie. In our world, we have quite a lot of theoretical discussion on the very subject, my guess is that if (somehow) a zombie plague were to hit the world, it wouldn't take us very long to figure out what we're dealing with as well as how to effectively deal with the situation.

I think a zombie apocalypse is extremely improbable. Not that a virus/infection/what have you can't ever exist to replicate the symptoms, but because of how it's spread. Only spreads by bites? That's not going very far. If I was father Nurgle, it would be spread in the air/water as well as bites. Then I am satisfied.

Goddard wrote:I think a zombie apocalypse is extremely improbable. Not that a virus/infection/what have you can't ever exist to replicate the symptoms, but because of how it's spread. Only spreads by bites? That's not going very far. If I was father Nurgle, it would be spread in the air/water as well as bites. Then I am satisfied.

exactly. if it is ever anything,it will be rabies.

http://www.zombiewaffe.com/index.htm

like in this.

chaos0xomega wrote:

KingCracker wrote:

Bromsy wrote:Yeah, it totally depends on the style of zombie. "Infected" type ala 28 days later, it would be a hold up til it blows over situation - by the way, was anyone else super pissed off at the second one and them "looking for a cure". The cure was lots of bullets and fire, and don't let it spread.

If it's like the new Dawn of the Dead - runners that are fully dead, we could have some problems.

Shamblers, I just don't see as being able to overwhelm the world at large, unless a whole lot of people make a whole lot of incredibly stupid decisions. That's been my problem with The Walking Dead, much as I love the show so far. How do they spread from city to city in large enough numbers quickly enough to overcome all resistance? All it takes is a good chain link fence to stop anything except overwhelming hordes.

First part, yes. The 2nd wasnt a horrible movie, but yea there were parts that annoyed me about it. Yea I too would just hold up like a hermit forawhile and let it die out.

Yes

Really? You are letting the fact that they are slow cloud how dangerous they are. Also a scratch or bite can infect you. Youve ALSO got to remember that in a situation like that, the military will set up "safe zones" where they will be taking people in at first. Thats where the zombie infection will breed like crazy. Then people will run away from there to hide, and naturally there will be people that are infected and either not know it at first, or wont tell anyone. BAM POW!!!!! Another small out break. And so on and so on and so on.

Sure we will be able to run past them if they are in small numbers, but in big groups man, its been said many times.

See, the assumption made in a show like The Walking Dead is that prior to the Necropocalypse nobody had ever heard of a zombie. In our world, we have quite a lot of theoretical discussion on the very subject, my guess is that if (somehow) a zombie plague were to hit the world, it wouldn't take us very long to figure out what we're dealing with as well as how to effectively deal with the situation.

I can partially agree with this, given the amount of "common" zombie knowledge there could be an effective cut in the " What the feth is going on" factor...but...just because people/ Gov. Agencies/ Law enforcement..etc know what's happening in a crisis doesn't mean they still won't botch how they handle things.

Another problem I'd have during a zombie Apocalypse would be that I wouldn't get to talk to FITZZ about the zombie apocalypse.

/sadface

Chowderhead wrote:Another problem I'd have during a zombie Apocalypse would be that I wouldn't get to talk to FITZZ about the zombie apocalypse.

/sadface

Wait, weren't you numbered amongst those who were planning to head to the shelter JP and I had discussed?
I could have sworn you were.

FITZZ wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:Another problem I'd have during a zombie Apocalypse would be that I wouldn't get to talk to FITZZ about the zombie apocalypse.

/sadface

Wait, weren't you numbered amongst those who were planning to head to the shelter JP and I had discussed?
I could have sworn you were.

shelter? already? but i havent released my super rabies yet

FITZZ wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:Another problem I'd have during a zombie Apocalypse would be that I wouldn't get to talk to FITZZ about the zombie apocalypse.

/sadface

Wait, weren't you numbered amongst those who were planning to head to the shelter JP and I had discussed?
I could have sworn you were.

I was! Right!

Sucks that I'm underag- Wait, no gov't. Booze for all!

Goddard wrote:I think a zombie apocalypse is extremely improbable. Not that a virus/infection/what have you can't ever exist to replicate the symptoms, but because of how it's spread. Only spreads by bites? That's not going very far. If I was father Nurgle, it would be spread in the air/water as well as bites. Then I am satisfied.

In most zombie fiction the virus is spread not only via bite ( primary means) , but also through contact with tainted fluids ( blood,saliva,etc) entering the healthy blood stream, so scratches, certain blood splashes ( in the eyes etc) can also lead to spreading the virus.
Not to mention, when those carrying the virus tend to be very " bitey"...transferance of the virus via bite can be very effective.


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lord commissar klimino wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:Another problem I'd have during a zombie Apocalypse would be that I wouldn't get to talk to FITZZ about the zombie apocalypse.

/sadface

Wait, weren't you numbered amongst those who were planning to head to the shelter JP and I had discussed?
I could have sworn you were.

shelter? already? but i havent released my super rabies yet

...Release away.
I've been planning for the zombie apocalypse since I first saw Dawn of the Dead back in 1978.


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Chowderhead wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:Another problem I'd have during a zombie Apocalypse would be that I wouldn't get to talk to FITZZ about the zombie apocalypse.

/sadface

Wait, weren't you numbered amongst those who were planning to head to the shelter JP and I had discussed?
I could have sworn you were.

I was! Right!

Sucks that I'm underag- Wait, no gov't. Booze for all!

Underage ?...I would care less if you drank...the world is over run by the walking dead...normal rules do not apply.
However, get drunk while your on watch...or let your drinking endanger others...and I'll shoot you myself.

Chowderhead wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:Another problem I'd have during a zombie Apocalypse would be that I wouldn't get to talk to FITZZ about the zombie apocalypse.

/sadface

Wait, weren't you numbered amongst those who were planning to head to the shelter JP and I had discussed?
I could have sworn you were.

I was! Right!

Sucks that I'm underag- Wait, no gov't. Booze for all!

Underage ?...I would care less if you drank...the world is over run by the walking dead...normal rules do not apply.
However, get drunk while your on watch...or let your drinking endanger others...and I'll shoot you myself.

Chowderhead wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:Another problem I'd have during a zombie Apocalypse would be that I wouldn't get to talk to FITZZ about the zombie apocalypse.

/sadface

Wait, weren't you numbered amongst those who were planning to head to the shelter JP and I had discussed?
I could have sworn you were.

I was! Right!

Sucks that I'm underag- Wait, no gov't. Booze for all!

Underage ?...I would care less if you drank...the world is over run by the walking dead...normal rules do not apply.
However, get drunk while your on watch...or let your drinking endanger others...and I'll shoot you myself.

I'm one of those "Happy Drunks". I'd be laughing when you killed me.

Chowderhead wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:Another problem I'd have during a zombie Apocalypse would be that I wouldn't get to talk to FITZZ about the zombie apocalypse.

/sadface

Wait, weren't you numbered amongst those who were planning to head to the shelter JP and I had discussed?
I could have sworn you were.

I was! Right!

Sucks that I'm underag- Wait, no gov't. Booze for all!

Underage ?...I would care less if you drank...the world is over run by the walking dead...normal rules do not apply.
However, get drunk while your on watch...or let your drinking endanger others...and I'll shoot you myself.

I'm one of those "Happy Drunks". I'd be laughing when you killed me.

Hows about you just don't get drunk when there's business to handle...that way you stay alive and I keep my comedian...win/win.

Besides, I have no idea how much you actually know how to do.
We may have to teach you a whole lot, how to shoot, fix cars, clean game, clean weapons...lots.
You may not have a hell of a lot of time to get drunk.

lord commissar klimino wrote:

Goddard wrote:I think a zombie apocalypse is extremely improbable. Not that a virus/infection/what have you can't ever exist to replicate the symptoms, but because of how it's spread. Only spreads by bites? That's not going very far. If I was father Nurgle, it would be spread in the air/water as well as bites. Then I am satisfied.

exactly. if it is ever anything,it will be rabies.

http://www.zombiewaffe.com/index.htm

like in this.

Nice web comic. can't believe i haven't seen that before now.

Goddard wrote:I think a zombie apocalypse is extremely improbable. Not that a virus/infection/what have you can't ever exist to replicate the symptoms, but because of how it's spread. Only spreads by bites? That's not going very far. If I was father Nurgle, it would be spread in the air/water as well as bites. Then I am satisfied.

My Answer:

Firstly, are there any mathematic majors out there? No. Well I hope, my fellow survivalists, you all gain a shred of knowledge from this document. Just know that your brain will fry by page three. If not, then something is seriously wrong with you and I advise you see a doctor A.S.A.P.

http://mysite.science.uottawa.ca/rsmith43/Zombies.pdf

Well, according to the article which I viewed, this document, summed up, is an actual thesis which primarily stats the chances of a zombie epidemic engulfing the wold. It also stats various statistics surrounding the epidemic, including global food rationing and infection rate.

I'm glad to see use Canadians are prepared.

I must be sick and twisted, because i actually understood some of that. I couldn't understand the formulas, but I could understand how it worked. And Im still in grade 9...
They didn't take the chance of immunity into consideration however, what if somebody was immune to the virus in the first place? Like in "I am Legend". What if they couldn't be infected, and once dead were dead? Forever?

I just find it unlikely that every human on Earth will have become a zombie having been infected by a bite and/or fluids. For this plague to spread over-seas, you'd have to have some really stupid people for it to take a foot hold there too.

Goddard wrote:I just find it unlikely that every human on Earth will have become a zombie having been infected by a bite and/or fluids. For this plague to spread over-seas, you'd have to have some really stupid people for it to take a foot hold there too.

QFT

If the whole zombie thing came about I'd do the smart thing and turn the game of life off. I'm sorry but that's just bs. Life itself is an obnoxiously difficult game, and if wants to go and be even more cheap and difficult, than I'm not playing. feth that.

DickBandit wrote:If the whole zombie thing came about I'd do the smart thing and turn the game of life off. I'm sorry but that's just bs. Life itself is an obnoxiously difficult game, and if wants to go and be even more cheap and difficult, than I'm not playing. feth that.

so...suicide? lame'o.

lord commissar klimino wrote:

DickBandit wrote:If the whole zombie thing came about I'd do the smart thing and turn the game of life off. I'm sorry but that's just bs. Life itself is an obnoxiously difficult game, and if wants to go and be even more cheap and difficult, than I'm not playing. feth that.

so...suicide? lame'o.

Got to admit, that is some pretty dark thinking there man.

Sabet wrote:
They didn't take the chance of immunity into consideration however, what if somebody was immune to the virus in the first place? Like in "I am Legend". What if they couldn't be infected, and once dead were dead? Forever?

Even though the very though of multiples and dirigibles scares the living crap out of me, I can tell you that the document does take into correlation the chance of an immune individual, or a "survivor", if you will, surviving in a post-apocalyptic, zombie-infested world. Although, these individuals are usually factored out as a result of other life-threating variables, such as starvation, sickness and infection (other then the so-called zombie plague), and yes, severe depression which may lead to other things.

DickBandit wrote:If the whole zombie thing came about I'd do the smart thing and turn the game of life off. I'm sorry but that's just bs. Life itself is an obnoxiously difficult game, and if wants to go and be even more cheap and difficult, than I'm not playing. feth that.

Same here.

Karon wrote:

DickBandit wrote:If the whole zombie thing came about I'd do the smart thing and turn the game of life off. I'm sorry but that's just bs. Life itself is an obnoxiously difficult game, and if wants to go and be even more cheap and difficult, than I'm not playing. feth that.

Same here.

if it comes to that,i can help turn it off for you.

but seriously? suicide?

Alot of the things people are mentioning can be avoided with a little bit of preparation now, and it's useful in the more likely event of a natural disaster. Food can be stored for up to 10yrs with the right methods (though bean and rice get mighty old), water for a good long while if using food/medical grade containers and a bit of bleach. If your Doc/Insurance allows it, it's nice to have a 3 months supply on hand and cycle it out, ask them, you may be surprised. Smokes are easy if your a smoker, pipe tobacco and empty tubes with a packing machine, I rolled my own for years before switching to a pipe.

I just wouldn't count on being able to go steal crap from people, looters tend to get shot rather quick, and people will get a tad defensive of what they do have.

I love end of the World movies and stuff like that, just got done watching Jericho, but I tend to think things will be more like "The Road", and I gotta admit my will to live would plummet really damn fast in that situation, just so...bleak.

And as a after thought, if the Just in time system ever gets interrupted, watch how fast the supermarkets run out of food, during Hurricane Katrina, I think it was less than 12hrs before the stores were stripped bare (and more so in some situations). Got a bit under 1mil people in my city, think I'd rather deal with zombies than a bunch of people rioting for food...

Sckitzo wrote:Alot of the things people are mentioning can be avoided with a little bit of preparation now, and it's useful in the more likely event of a natural disaster. Food can be stored for up to 10yrs with the right methods (though bean and rice get mighty old), water for a good long while if using food/medical grade containers and a bit of bleach. If your Doc/Insurance allows it, it's nice to have a 3 months supply on hand and cycle it out, ask them, you may be surprised. Smokes are easy if your a smoker, pipe tobacco and empty tubes with a packing machine, I rolled my own for years before switching to a pipe.

I just wouldn't count on being able to go steal crap from people, looters tend to get shot rather quick, and people will get a tad defensive of what they do have.

I love end of the World movies and stuff like that, just got done watching Jericho, but I tend to think things will be more like "The Road", and I gotta admit my will to live would plummet really damn fast in that situation, just so...bleak.

mine would get stronger lets just say id be the one shooting looters

lord commissar klimino wrote:

Sckitzo wrote:Alot of the things people are mentioning can be avoided with a little bit of preparation now, and it's useful in the more likely event of a natural disaster. Food can be stored for up to 10yrs with the right methods (though bean and rice get mighty old), water for a good long while if using food/medical grade containers and a bit of bleach. If your Doc/Insurance allows it, it's nice to have a 3 months supply on hand and cycle it out, ask them, you may be surprised. Smokes are easy if your a smoker, pipe tobacco and empty tubes with a packing machine, I rolled my own for years before switching to a pipe.

I just wouldn't count on being able to go steal crap from people, looters tend to get shot rather quick, and people will get a tad defensive of what they do have.

I love end of the World movies and stuff like that, just got done watching Jericho, but I tend to think things will be more like "The Road", and I gotta admit my will to live would plummet really damn fast in that situation, just so...bleak.

mine would get stronger lets just say id be the one shooting looters

Don't get me wrong, I take self defense seriously, and your not taking what I own without a fight, but wanton murder of people looting Walmart for made in china crap is not my concern, not to mention, you know, it's murder still. And no matter how big of a dog you think you are, there is always a bigger one, like the National Guard.

Unless your implying you are in the National Guard, and look forward to shooting looters....

Sckitzo wrote:

lord commissar klimino wrote:

Sckitzo wrote:Alot of the things people are mentioning can be avoided with a little bit of preparation now, and it's useful in the more likely event of a natural disaster. Food can be stored for up to 10yrs with the right methods (though bean and rice get mighty old), water for a good long while if using food/medical grade containers and a bit of bleach. If your Doc/Insurance allows it, it's nice to have a 3 months supply on hand and cycle it out, ask them, you may be surprised. Smokes are easy if your a smoker, pipe tobacco and empty tubes with a packing machine, I rolled my own for years before switching to a pipe.

I just wouldn't count on being able to go steal crap from people, looters tend to get shot rather quick, and people will get a tad defensive of what they do have.

I love end of the World movies and stuff like that, just got done watching Jericho, but I tend to think things will be more like "The Road", and I gotta admit my will to live would plummet really damn fast in that situation, just so...bleak.

mine would get stronger lets just say id be the one shooting looters

Don't get me wrong, I take self defense seriously, and your not taking what I own without a fight, but wanton murder of people looting Walmart for made in china crap is not my concern, not to mention, you know, it's murder still. And no matter how big of a dog you think you are, there is always a bigger one, like the National Guard.

Unless your implying you are in the National Guard, and look forward to shooting looters....

err..nope,not in the guard here. as for the bigger dog,i know when i cant win,thats why ill always have a plan b.

that does bring up the quesion. the hell is wrong with the military in zombies things? they always get over run very...easily in my opinion.

Breaking the quote tree

Yes, they do, but it would make for bad cinema if half way through the movie they military rolled in and won the fight , that and guys like Romero likes showing the "evils of mankind" through his movies, meh.

Though I did 8yrs in the military, I honestly wonder how many of my former coworkers, across all branches, would really stick around and fight it out and not bail and run for home to protect their families.

Sckitzo wrote:
Though I did 8yrs in the military, I honestly wonder how many of my former coworkers, across all branches, would really stick around and fight it out and not bail and run for home to protect their families.

this.THIS. this answered the question how the military would ever loose. cause instead of sticking as a powerful group and fighting til them undead be dead,the men run home to defend the useless civilians.

never thought of that as a reason before. thanks

Goddard wrote:I just find it unlikely that every human on Earth will have become a zombie having been infected by a bite and/or fluids. For this plague to spread over-seas, you'd have to have some really stupid people for it to take a foot hold there too.

Don't get out in traffic much do you? Stupid people are everywhere.

I wouldn't say useless... but the military is just a section of society as a whole compressed down into groups and given the same clothes to wear, folks from every walk of life. I've ran into rabid liberals, gang-bangers, folks who I'm pretty sure had parents with a little bit to narrow of a genepool to work with and everything in between.

But at the end of the day, their still people, and since families follow, their close by. Now those living on base may have it a bit different, their family is already there. But those who's family are hundreds/thousands of miles away have to make a real hard choice. Those like me, who lived about 12mi from base, I had alot of options.

Though, knowing my luck it would happen while I was working and would have gotten munched breaking up what I thought was yet another fight between drunk idiots

Who cares about warhammer during and/or after a zombie plague? No one. And that's my problem. I did not spend hundreds of dollars on a hobby to have a zombie apoc ruin it all.
Also, toilet paper. Seriously guys, anyone here ever wiped his ass with leaves? I did once on a hiking trip and I'm never doing it again.. unless I have to. Also I had explosive diarrhea that time too so my stack of whatever dried leaves I could find ended up being inadequate.

Mostly....Well, I don't think I would miss much.

I've lived from rural Mississippi to Alaska, i've been through natures wierdness from a volcanic eruption (which was kinda cool) to hurricanes (much less cool.)...Living without the little things like electricity, hot water, a functioning toilet, climate control beyond "MOAR BLANKETS!" and basic human contact doesn't bother me a whole lot anymore. I'd rather not go through the like again, but it's not world shattering for me if I have to.

The sight of people fighting over bags of Doritos in prep for a hurricane leaves one with the thought of "There is not going to be a next time where I am in this situation." and one amasses a bit of food, ammunition, weaponry, and whatever medical supplies that are deemed to be required/obtainable. More or less good to go. If nothing else, I have the knowledge to take an M16 down to its component screws and springs, and in a movie-esque zombie apocalypse, there are going to be plenty for me to grab and get spare parts from. Same for the 92F that I am quite familiar with, not much of a leap to go from that to an M9.

My biggest issue would likely be that I wear glasses, and without a lenscrafters things are going to suck in a few years, even if I don't break the things. That's what rifle optics, peep sights and binoculars are for though. Trying to drive around with gridlocked roads and gas stations sucked clean would be such a pain.

Come to think of it, I don't work well with groups either. I tend to either wind up leading or leaving. Preferably leaving.

If I were a "lone survivor" as in 99.9999% (which would leave about 7000 people out of 7bn) of humanity had died off due to some plague or zombie infection I would probably try to have as much fun as possible for a few years before I got bored and topped myself.

7000 people is too few scattered over too much area to make a particularly viable society. Not to mention they would probably be people I didn't like

In terms of things I would miss during the few years - on a day to day, I would probably miss the internet - it would contain enough ready information so I could make, or find pretty much anything I would ever need.

In the day to day - probably free time, as I would have to either live off canned or "disaster" style foods, or spend a lot of time growing and caring for my own crops/veg/etc. Not to mention time spent repairing/finding machines/fuel/etc.

Longer term I would probably miss human interaction most, followed by medical care if anything happened to me, followed by day to day products like toothpaste (which would eventually go off) and toliet paper, which I would eventually run out of/it will eventually decompose before I can locate it.

If I were to live out my "natural life" (which could be up to another 50-70 years), I would say that companionship would be the biggest hardship

And if there are zombies/etc around, a lot of time spent ensuring they didn't eat me.

Trying to find a place to create a cure for the plague and look awesome giving it to a fellow survivor and running into a horde with a grenade to save all of humanity...

DickBandit wrote:If the whole zombie thing came about I'd do the smart thing and turn the game of life off. I'm sorry but that's just bs. Life itself is an obnoxiously difficult game, and if wants to go and be even more cheap and difficult, than I'm not playing. feth that.

You mean if people want to go and cheat the game of life, and take a second turn after they fethed up first, then you're turning it off. Lets not kid ourselves, zombieism is a cheat code...

Sckitzo wrote:Breaking the quote tree

Yes, they do, but it would make for bad cinema if half way through the movie they military rolled in and won the fight , that and guys like Romero likes showing the "evils of mankind" through his movies, meh.

Though I did 8yrs in the military, I honestly wonder how many of my former coworkers, across all branches, would really stick around and fight it out and not bail and run for home to protect their families.

In this case a Necropocalypse wouldn't be that much different than any invasion of a nation in history. History has shown us that a well trained army will usually stick together as a cohesive fighting force, even under the worst of circumstances, because the men in that military formation will typically acknowledge that they stand a better chance of protecting their families if they remain a part of the whole rather than an individual.

Oh, and screw the M16, if the Necropocalypse hits, I'm making for the nearest AK. I'd be lucky if I had the time to break the damn thing down to its component parts so I could clean it every time the fething piece of crap breaks down.

terranarc wrote:Also, toilet paper. Seriously guys, anyone here ever wiped his ass with leaves? I did once on a hiking trip and I'm never doing it again.. unless I have to. Also I had explosive diarrhea that time too so my stack of whatever dried leaves I could find ended up being inadequate.

I really don't want to be known as the "expert" on ass-wiping on the forums, but from personal experience I can tell you that it will get a lot worse before it gets better. I mean even when I camp now, I usually bring a roll just in case. That being said as long as you know which leaves your using, your good. If not, then you'll probably whip your ass with poison ivy or something.

Okay, enough talk on the wiping of one's ass. On to a different topic.

To be honest, water would probably be the biggest issue in a post-apocalyptic, zombie-infested world. A good majority of all the remaining fresh water based sources in the world have some sort of harmful, life-threating impurities in them. Pre-packaged bottle water would become a rarity as well, seeing as that would probably be the first products to go at the start of major, world disaster. Not to mention that many, dis-illusioned individuals would waste countless gallons of water on more insignificant needs.

chaos0xomega wrote:
In this case a Necropocalypse wouldn't be that much different than any invasion of a nation in history. History has shown us that a well trained army will usually stick together as a cohesive fighting force, even under the worst of circumstances, because the men in that military formation will typically acknowledge that they stand a better chance of protecting their families if they remain a part of the whole rather than an individual.

Oh, and screw the M16, if the Necropocalypse hits, I'm making for the nearest AK. I'd be lucky if I had the time to break the damn thing down to its component parts so I could clean it every time the fething piece of crap breaks down.

Fired some old Soviet 47's in 'Stan, was not that impressed with them, some people swear by the platform, others by the AR, FAL or even Mini, there has been so much done to the AR series of rifles though it's become like Barbie for grownups. Hell you can even throw on of those nifty zerofail BCG's in it.

But don't want to turn this in to a whole cake vs pie thing.

I think your right for the most part, most people would stick around, but then again, it depended on the type of ZPAW, was their warning? Did the outbreak happen over weeks or months? Or was it a overnight thing, like DOTD04 or 28Days. If it's one of those super fasting moving ones, I see everything going to hell rather quick like.

Hell, the guys on the Aircraft Carriers mentioned early stand the best chance most likely, as long as they don't dock.

terranarc wrote:Who cares about warhammer during and/or after a zombie plague? No one. And that's my problem. I did not spend hundreds of dollars on a hobby to have a zombie apoc ruin it all.
Also, toilet paper. Seriously guys, anyone here ever wiped his ass with leaves? I did once on a hiking trip and I'm never doing it again.. unless I have to. Also I had explosive diarrhea that time too so my stack of whatever dried leaves I could find ended up being inadequate.

Hundreds of dollars? Your worrying about hundreds of dollars, on plastic, in a zombie apoc? Your kidding me. Ive bought a house, spent thousands just to keep my YARD well groomed over the years, I have a car thats bought and paid for, and your complaining about PLASTIC! IM COMPLAINING ABOUT MY HOME OWNERS INSURANCE! THEY WONT PAY gak FOR A ZOMBIE OUTBREAK

KingCracker wrote:

terranarc wrote:Who cares about warhammer during and/or after a zombie plague? No one. And that's my problem. I did not spend hundreds of dollars on a hobby to have a zombie apoc ruin it all.
Also, toilet paper. Seriously guys, anyone here ever wiped his ass with leaves? I did once on a hiking trip and I'm never doing it again.. unless I have to. Also I had explosive diarrhea that time too so my stack of whatever dried leaves I could find ended up being inadequate.

Hundreds of dollars? Your worrying about hundreds of dollars, on plastic, in a zombie apoc? Your kidding me. Ive bought a house, spent thousands just to keep my YARD well groomed over the years, I have a car thats bought and paid for, and your complaining about PLASTIC! IM COMPLAINING ABOUT MY HOME OWNERS INSURANCE! THEY WONT PAY gak FOR A ZOMBIE OUTBREAK

Oh snap your rigth, would they pay if it where BURNING zombie outbreak? Fire in on the dance floor would get a whole new meaing, and imagien the unpleasnet jobb of cleaning up after a Z - apocaclypse.

I have to admit I'm a bit amused at the "toilet paper" worries, though I suppose if one plans to take shelter in the woods some sort of "sanitary product" is a concern.
Though I would hypothosize that their would still be plenty of " paper products" for your wiping needs to be stockpiled.
Even in emergency situations ( Katrina for example) food,water and batteries/flashlights were the main "grab" items before the storm hit, and though paper products were depleted, there was still a lot left.
Not to mention alternitives...your average fast food place contains pallets of napkins ( and there are plenty of those in isolated ares), and of course...since " normal rules" don't apply, you could wipe with a silk tie or a mink coat.

Now, fresh water I can see as a real concern, my family goes through about a case a day, so even a large stockpile won't last long..
Purification pills, bleach and boiling collected water would be manditory, as would the means to collect rain water/dew.
Properties with wells/near streams, would also be good, so long as they were defendable.

@ KC, that's were giving up "creature comforts" comes in, when the gak hit's the fan...screw the house,the big screen TV and the collection of Warbarbies.

Or just use your hand, some water and a bit of camp soap if you have it, or you use *shudder* reusable toilet paper, be like washable diapers, both of these ideas make me want to throw up in my mouth a little bit, especially when you factor in all the GI issues everyone would be having in the ZPAW, but their alternatives.

Sckitzo wrote:Or just use your hand, some water and a bit of camp soap if you have it, or you use *shudder* reusable toilet paper, be like washable diapers, both of these ideas make me want to throw up in my mouth a little bit, especially when you factor in all the GI issues everyone would be having in the ZPAW, but their alternatives.

Both are acceptable if need be, my main point is that the world is filled with paper, so I don't see "what to wipe with" being a huge issue.
Now...where to gak...that's the issue, some form of sanitation (if occupying an area for a long term) must be kept up, can't let waste pile up in the corner.
Of course, utilizeing waste as fertilizer would be an option.

FITZZ wrote:

Sckitzo wrote:Or just use your hand, some water and a bit of camp soap if you have it, or you use *shudder* reusable toilet paper, be like washable diapers, both of these ideas make me want to throw up in my mouth a little bit, especially when you factor in all the GI issues everyone would be having in the ZPAW, but their alternatives.

Both are acceptable if need be, my main point is that the world is filled with paper, so I don't see "what to wipe with" being a huge issue.
Now...where to gak...that's the issue, some form of sanitation (if occupying an area for a long term) must be kept up, can't let waste pile up in the corner.
Of course, utilizeing waste as fertilizer would be an option.

fertilizer?!?!? ewww.....human crap isnt good for that stuff,at least not as much as cow and other animals...

lord commissar klimino wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Sckitzo wrote:Or just use your hand, some water and a bit of camp soap if you have it, or you use *shudder* reusable toilet paper, be like washable diapers, both of these ideas make me want to throw up in my mouth a little bit, especially when you factor in all the GI issues everyone would be having in the ZPAW, but their alternatives.

Both are acceptable if need be, my main point is that the world is filled with paper, so I don't see "what to wipe with" being a huge issue.
Now...where to gak...that's the issue, some form of sanitation (if occupying an area for a long term) must be kept up, can't let waste pile up in the corner.
Of course, utilizeing waste as fertilizer would be an option.

fertilizer?!?!? ewww.....human crap isnt good for that stuff,at least not as much as cow and other animals...

Not as good, but can be utilized for compost...have to work with what you have, and the ability to grow ones food as well as hunt/fish are going to be extreamlly important skills when all the super markets are swarming with dead folk.

FITZZ wrote:

lord commissar klimino wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Sckitzo wrote:Or just use your hand, some water and a bit of camp soap if you have it, or you use *shudder* reusable toilet paper, be like washable diapers, both of these ideas make me want to throw up in my mouth a little bit, especially when you factor in all the GI issues everyone would be having in the ZPAW, but their alternatives.

Both are acceptable if need be, my main point is that the world is filled with paper, so I don't see "what to wipe with" being a huge issue.
Now...where to gak...that's the issue, some form of sanitation (if occupying an area for a long term) must be kept up, can't let waste pile up in the corner.
Of course, utilizeing waste as fertilizer would be an option.

fertilizer?!?!? ewww.....human crap isnt good for that stuff,at least not as much as cow and other animals...

Not as good, but can be utilized for compost...have to work with what you have, and the ability to grow ones food as well as hunt/fish are going to be extreamlly important skills when all the super markets are swarming with dead folk.

true...but if your in the city or some place tight in space,you dont have room/time for growing stuff.

That's why the idea is to get out of the City at the very first indication of trouble.
Have your exit and alternitive routes planned out, avoid freeways and major highways.
Make sure your "escape gear" is ready, guns,ammo, enough food and water for several days travel.
And above all have at least two fortified "fall back" areas that your heading to...don't just run blind, these areas should be rural, near streams and supplied.

You cannot use human feces for compost piles without a certain method being done, you should never uses the feces from anything that eats meat, so dogs, cats, people, ect.

As to where to gak, IIRC, make sure it's at least 100ft away from water source, cooking area, horse stables (How we got Cholera), and living areas, may be a few others.

I do agree about having a plan, one is none, two is one ect, ect.

Don't count on hunting, during great depression we almost exterminated the deer population in the US, why I stock pile food now, not for zombies, but real life scenarios.

Ohh and as for the paper, some stuff works, but stuff like magazines don't really, their to glossy, and sometimes the inks on certain types of papers will cause irritation.

Sckitzo wrote:You cannot use human feces for compost piles without a certain method being done, you should never uses the feces from anything that eats meat, so dogs, cats, people, ect.

As to where to gak, IIRC, make sure it's at least 100ft away from water source, cooking area, horse stables (How we got Cholera), and living areas, may be a few others.

I do agree about having a plan, one is none, two is one ect, ect.

Don't count on hunting, during great depression we almost exterminated the deer population in the US, why I stock pile food now, not for zombies, but real life scenarios.

Ohh and as for the paper, some stuff works, but stuff like magazines don't really, their to glossy, and sometimes the inks on certain types of papers will cause irritation.

Seems I read somewhere about detoxifying human waste for use as fertilizer...have to check up on that.
Defiantly agree that any " Privy" should be well away from dwelling areas.

I also agree that stockpiling foods ( in your secured location) is a good idea, caned goods, MREs, etc...but but still believe that hunting and fishing ould be viable as well, your not going to face a vast depleted animal population, simply because there won't be that many humans left to hunt them...now, diesease might depleate their number and pose a problem.

...Yeah, I figured glossy magazines would be bad for "wiping" needs...

True, I tend to think of things that won't kill everyone else off, I need to learn to package animals to preserve them, still need that skill set.

You CAN detoxify human feces, it's just a PITA. I can't find the method to do it anymore. But IIRC, it takes upwards of a year to make nightsoil safe. So if your living in your fort made of shipping containers in the ruins of Detroit or some such, it may work.

Really don't want that job though.

Sckitzo wrote:True, I tend to think of things that won't kill everyone else off, I need to learn to package animals to preserve them, still need that skill set.

You CAN detoxify human feces, it's just a PITA. I can't find the method to do it anymore. But IIRC, it takes upwards of a year to make nightsoil safe. So if your living in your fort made of shipping containers in the ruins of Detroit or some such, it may work.

Really don't want that job though.

Still, thinking long term, which you'd have to, converting solid waste to fertilizer would be a " must do", crappy job, but beats starving.
You do bring up an interesting question concerning storage of game though, if you find yourself in a situation with out generators/electricty for cold storage...one would have to either cook and " pioner preserve" their kills, or waste a lot of food, unless of course you have a fairly large group that could consume a buck over a short period of time.

FITZZ wrote:

Sckitzo wrote:True, I tend to think of things that won't kill everyone else off, I need to learn to package animals to preserve them, still need that skill set.

You CAN detoxify human feces, it's just a PITA. I can't find the method to do it anymore. But IIRC, it takes upwards of a year to make nightsoil safe. So if your living in your fort made of shipping containers in the ruins of Detroit or some such, it may work.

Really don't want that job though.

Still, thinking long term, which you'd have to, converting solid waste to fertilizer would be a " must do", crappy job, but beats starving.
You do bring up an interesting question concerning storage of game though, if you find yourself in a situation with out generators/electricty for cold storage...one would have to either cook and " pioner preserve" their kills, or waste a lot of food, unless of course you have a fairly large group that could consume a buck over a short period of time.

Sure hope people like salt...and you have a healthy supply of it. I know there is a few ways to chill food, bury it deep, soak it in water, and read a few others, but given the Arizona environment I hope we find alot of solar panels....

Mom's Journal of the Zombie Years That's a story that has been going on for a while, zombie survival but the girl that writes it, Kathy, doesn't focus on the guns and killing of zombies as much as how people can adapt and such, some really interesting ideas, if you have alot of hours to kill it's worth reading over.

Well to list a couple-

Lack of talking to live/uninfected people(Id be a shut-in)

Run out of ammo eventually. Then have to resort to just running away or close combat which is not viable for groups of them.

Lack of food. Living in CA I have no hunting experience so I would have to forage and eventually try to hunt/make a garden.

NO TV/INTERNET, Id be the person that wrote "I miss the internet" on the wall in LFD

All in all though, In my plan I would stay at my house till everyone was dead or left. I have enough food for a month and solar panels for electricty. After that I would leave and find civilization, hopefully. The only problem I would have with this though is all of the body-born diseases like typhoid.

On a side note I recommend watching "Survivors" on netflix it is a post-apoc series (No zombies but a disease wipes out 97% of britian) Pretty good for ideas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivors

Going off topic for a moment and looking on the bright side...

At least you won't have to worry about burying the dead.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Going off topic for a moment and looking on the bright side...

At least you won't have to worry about burying the dead.

QFT

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Going off topic for a moment and looking on the bright side...

At least you won't have to worry about burying the dead.

Wrong, Once you cap them, if they are any where near where you intend to stay, you are going to have to bury then for sanitary purposes. Leaving them out to rot would not be a good thing.

Jake

Sckitzo wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Sckitzo wrote:True, I tend to think of things that won't kill everyone else off, I need to learn to package animals to preserve them, still need that skill set.

You CAN detoxify human feces, it's just a PITA. I can't find the method to do it anymore. But IIRC, it takes upwards of a year to make nightsoil safe. So if your living in your fort made of shipping containers in the ruins of Detroit or some such, it may work.

Really don't want that job though.

Still, thinking long term, which you'd have to, converting solid waste to fertilizer would be a " must do", crappy job, but beats starving.
You do bring up an interesting question concerning storage of game though, if you find yourself in a situation with out generators/electricty for cold storage...one would have to either cook and " pioner preserve" their kills, or waste a lot of food, unless of course you have a fairly large group that could consume a buck over a short period of time.

Sure hope people like salt...and you have a healthy supply of it. I know there is a few ways to chill food, bury it deep, soak it in water, and read a few others, but given the Arizona environment I hope we find alot of solar panels....

Mom's Journal of the Zombie Years That's a story that has been going on for a while, zombie survival but the girl that writes it, Kathy, doesn't focus on the guns and killing of zombies as much as how people can adapt and such, some really interesting ideas, if you have alot of hours to kill it's worth reading over.

Thats one benefit of Arizona actually, solar panels everywhere. Just hope that someone with some electrical know how survives. Which shouldn't be to hard this is AZ afterall everyone knows how to shoot. Also lots of mountains, just go to your local friendly mountain top and watch and laugh as zombies try to scale the mountain

Did consider that Captain Jake, but deemed it more amusing to ignore such inconveniences.

Those first few summers will be brutal though, it will kill off tons of survivors that the zeds didn't, unless people make it up to the Flag area. Me I'm shooting for Heber/Overgaard my self. I'm trying to learn a bit about wiring solar panels up, one was given to me by a friend along with the...err stuff for it, ya, I need to research this a bit better. But I know I can use it to charge some 12v stuff like in the car, should prove useful for burning man at least.

I'll have to look into that TV show, I just recently got Netflix, it's pretty awesome so far.

Here is a interesting bit, did you know that the Amoxicillin that you buy for fish, is the exact same type that they manufacture for human consumption? Well certain brands at least. Compare the markings on the pills, now I really don't recommend self medicating, even antibiotics as you can do far more damage than good, but if you have a Doc/RN in your group, might be useful to know. Hopefully I make it through my RN school, got the guns,ammo,food and water now and 8 years of Security/Law Enforcement work under the belt, figure tack on a BSN and people will damn near have to take me along

Sckitzo wrote:Those first few summers will be brutal though, it will kill off tons of survivors that the zeds didn't, unless people make it up to the Flag area. Me I'm shooting for Heber/Overgaard my self. I'm trying to learn a bit about wiring solar panels up, one was given to me by a friend along with the...err stuff for it, ya, I need to research this a bit better. But I know I can use it to charge some 12v stuff like in the car, should prove useful for burning man at least.

I'll have to look into that TV show, I just recently got Netflix, it's pretty awesome so far.

Here is a interesting bit, did you know that the Amoxicillin that you buy for fish, is the exact same type that they manufacture for human consumption? Well certain brands at least. Compare the markings on the pills, now I really don't recommend self medicating, even antibiotics as you can do far more damage than good, but if you have a Doc/RN in your group, might be useful to know. Hopefully I make it through my RN school, got the guns,ammo,food and water now and 8 years of Security/Law Enforcement work under the belt, figure tack on a BSN and people will damn near have to take me along

One other thing about AZ, mormans. We've got tons of them and they all are religiously obligated to have a one years supply of food. I think Heber/Overgard is probably one of the better places to stake your claim, decent weather and lots of opportunities for hunting and fishing

Not Mormon my self, but if any ever get interested in learning how to stock food and water and basic prep stuff, check out some of their resources, its a vault of information.

I imagine I'm gonna die in the first few hours of the outbreak anyway since I'll be working in a hospital...

FITZZ wrote: I have to admit I'm a bit amused at the "toilet paper" worries, though I suppose if one plans to take shelter in the woods some sort of "sanitary product" is a concern.
Though I would hypothosize that their would still be plenty of " paper products" for your wiping needs to be stockpiled.
Even in emergency situations ( Katrina for example) food,water and batteries/flashlights were the main "grab" items before the storm hit, and though paper products were depleted, there was still a lot left.
Not to mention alternitives...your average fast food place contains pallets of napkins ( and there are plenty of those in isolated ares), and of course...since " normal rules" don't apply, you could wipe with a silk tie or a mink coat.

Now, fresh water I can see as a real concern, my family goes through about a case a day, so even a large stockpile won't last long..
Purification pills, bleach and boiling collected water would be manditory, as would the means to collect rain water/dew.
Properties with wells/near streams, would also be good, so long as they were defendable.

@ KC, that's were giving up "creature comforts" comes in, when the gak hit's the fan...screw the house,the big screen TV and the collection of Warbarbies.

Oh I agree. When Zday comes I honestly wont give a hoot about my house, itll be a temporary bunker until I can move to my zombie fortress. I was mainly putting in perspective of how silly it was worrying about loosing some plastic minis


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Sckitzo wrote:Not Mormon my self, but if any ever get interested in learning how to stock food and water and basic prep stuff, check out some of their resources, its a vault of information.

I imagine I'm gonna die in the first few hours of the outbreak anyway since I'll be working in a hospital...

Ohhhhhhhhh you are screeeeeeeeeewed

Sckitzo wrote:
I imagine I'm gonna die in the first few hours of the outbreak anyway since I'll be working in a hospital...

My younger Brother, Little Sister, two Cousins and an Aunt all currently work in various E.Rs, They're my "Early warning system".

FITZZ wrote:

Sckitzo wrote:
I imagine I'm gonna die in the first few hours of the outbreak anyway since I'll be working in a hospital...

My younger Brother, Little Sister, two Cousins and an Aunt all currently work in various E.Rs, They're my "Early warning system".

Wow...

Well going for ER myself, or life flight, but don't worry dakka, you will be one of my first messages out that "they" are coming

I'm with the OP. A lack of dentists would be a huge problem. It's all fun and games until you have to perform a tooth extraction with nothing more than an ice skate and a rock.

Hey you dont have to use a skate and a rock....... a hammer and a butter knife works too

KingCracker wrote:Hey you dont have to use a skate and a rock....... a hammer and a butter knife works too

Set of channel locks and a lot of whiskey.

Need a semi strong friend, but at least with the whiskey you wont give a gak about it hurting or not

KingCracker wrote:Need a semi strong friend, but at least with the whiskey you wont give a gak about it hurting or not

Exactly, biggest worry would be post extraction infection, but so long as the individule isn't allergic to antibiotics it shouldn't pose a problem.

Now though, that does lead to yet another issue, aquiring either your own, or some one with, the knowledge to replicate various needed medicines.

I can produce aspirin given the right components, turns out chemistry is a really useful skill in a zombie apocalypse.

corpsesarefun wrote:I can produce aspirin given the right components, turns out chemistry is a really useful skill in a zombie apocalypse.

*Cough* Loot Houses *Cough*

corpsesarefun wrote:I can produce aspirin given the right components, turns out chemistry is a really useful skill in a zombie apocalypse.

great! now i know who to kidnap

lord commissar klimino wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:I can produce aspirin given the right components, turns out chemistry is a really useful skill in a zombie apocalypse.

great! now i know who to kidnap

"Chowderhead, gimme chemicals! I wanna make asprin!"

"Look, Corpses. Last time we gave you chemicals, you leveled the city of Detroit. So no."

"But Chowder, I wanna make aaassssppprrriiinnnn!"

Chowderhead wrote:

lord commissar klimino wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:I can produce aspirin given the right components, turns out chemistry is a really useful skill in a zombie apocalypse.

great! now i know who to kidnap

"Chowderhead, gimme chemicals! I wanna make asprin!"

"Look, Corpses. Last time we gave you chemicals, you leveled the city of Detroit. So no."

"But Chowder, I wanna make aaassssppprrriiinnnn!"

just so you know id somehow do that with my luck.

Nah I don't THINK I can make any explosives from the aspirin components...

*goes to check for potential explosives*

Also the diamond pick and 1179 clay is in the chest at mine.

corpsesarefun wrote:I can produce aspirin given the right components, turns out chemistry is a really useful skill in a zombie apocalypse.

Now, if you can cultivate the proper mold spores and make antibiotics we're in good shape.

FITZZ wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:I can produce aspirin given the right components, turns out chemistry is a really useful skill in a zombie apocalypse.

Now, if you can cultivate the proper mold spores and make antibiotics we're in good shape.

Due to the rampant overuse of antibiotics by the Western world, the inferior form of Penicillin you would get from mold spores would likely be very ineffective, but, beats dying from a rusty nail so worth a shot.

Thing with looting houses is, that stuff has a shelf life, and alot of the "good" stuff requires refrigeration or it spoils.

I was reading a interesting way on how to make insulin via pig pancreases, but like most drugs, our bodies may not react very well to these weaker forms.

Sckitzo wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:I can produce aspirin given the right components, turns out chemistry is a really useful skill in a zombie apocalypse.

Now, if you can cultivate the proper mold spores and make antibiotics we're in good shape.

Due to the rampant overuse of antibiotics by the Western world, the inferior form of Penicillin you would get from mold spores would likely be very ineffective, but, beats dying from a rusty nail so worth a shot.

Thing with looting houses is, that stuff has a shelf life, and alot of the "good" stuff requires refrigeration or it spoils.

I was reading a interesting way on how to make insulin via pig pancreases, but like most drugs, our bodies may not react very well to these weaker forms.

True, but at least it's something.
I was musing earlier that the mortality rate due to disease ( non zombie), injury, required surgery and misadventure would be catastophic....
I may be able to hunt and fish, I may be a damn good shot, I may be able to keep the engines running and even sew you up , splint a broken bone or remove a bullet,but I'd hate to have to attempt to perform an apendix operation.

Sckitzo wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:I can produce aspirin given the right components, turns out chemistry is a really useful skill in a zombie apocalypse.

Now, if you can cultivate the proper mold spores and make antibiotics we're in good shape.

Due to the rampant overuse of antibiotics by the Western world, the inferior form of Penicillin you would get from mold spores would likely be very ineffective, but, beats dying from a rusty nail so worth a shot.

Thing with looting houses is, that stuff has a shelf life, and alot of the "good" stuff requires refrigeration or it spoils.

I was reading a interesting way on how to make insulin via pig pancreases, but like most drugs, our bodies may not react very well to these weaker forms.

yeah,america does over use that crap. in bad ways to. druggies! already some of those old ones dont work and scientists have to come out with new ones. also now a days evry drug seems to have sevral side affects that if they happen,you might as well of not taken it in the 1st place.

I think infection will be the big killer, common cuts, scrapes and basic things that may at most required a couple stitches in the past will lay people up for weeks and most likely kill em. It's scary to think about how dependent we are on modern medicine. Why it doesn't hurt to keep your shots up to date, and tuck away a few extra pills from your meds when you can.

Though keeping the wounds clean will go along ways to helping, but ya...hope that mold works better than I think.

For dentistry they make quick fix kits, and certain plants can be used as a quasi tooth paste, I know soap can be made from lye and fat and stuff.

If you guys want a couple good resources, check these out

Where There Is No Doctor

Where There Is No Dentist

Both are available as free downloads, though Hesperian are good folks, so if your wanting to purchase a dead tree copy that money goes to do good stuff.

What they are is pretty much medical/dental books meant for villages in extreme rural/poor/underdeveloped areas, sound familiar? There are tons of different ones offered, midwifery and stuff like that even.

Which brings up a interesting one, child birth. It's actually fairly *easy* (don't tell that to your woman) but we've bred into our bloodlines narrow hips so much that more and more women are requiring a breech birth, and when something goes wrong, it goes really damn wrong. Infant and Mother mortality rate will sky rocket, but beyond that, just remember to catch and don't drop the football. Or as my EMT instructor said "If you do drop the baby, fake a seizure"

Not much we can do though, childbirth just becomes a super risky thing again, and given that birth control won't last forever... there are different forms and methods you can use, but I won't go into them given how Dakka has a pretty mixed age range (and may violate some rules?)

Lucky for me, Ive never take antibiotics unless Im dying. They work fantastically on me because of that. But yea, I try to tell my kids doctors to not give them the stuff unless its absolutely needed, Im sorry but you dont need those if youve got a common cold, or the flu thats going around, unless they get real bad.


Also, Ill offer my services for lobbing off body parts if infections set in. I can whittle a mean peg leg

KingCracker wrote:Lucky for me, Ive never take antibiotics unless Im dying. They work fantastically on me because of that. But yea, I try to tell my kids doctors to not give them the stuff unless its absolutely needed, Im sorry but you dont need those if youve got a common cold, or the flu thats going around, unless they get real bad.


Also, Ill offer my services for lobbing off body parts if infections set in. I can whittle a mean peg leg

Only if you make me a wood parrot that has a shotgun in it's mouth.

Sckitzo wrote:

KingCracker wrote:Lucky for me, Ive never take antibiotics unless Im dying. They work fantastically on me because of that. But yea, I try to tell my kids doctors to not give them the stuff unless its absolutely needed, Im sorry but you dont need those if youve got a common cold, or the flu thats going around, unless they get real bad.


Also, Ill offer my services for lobbing off body parts if infections set in. I can whittle a mean peg leg

Only if you make me a wood parrot that has a shotgun in it's mouth.

ahmen.

You might have a great deal of whittling to do KC, as Amputation seems to be the "approved method" of preventing infection from zombie bites.
Of course the person who was bitten ( at least according to fiction) more often than not dies anyway, even when the infected area is amputated (shock trauma,non zombie related infection...etc)...but for those who actually survive, a fine KC sculpted leg will be the reward.

FITZZ wrote: You might have a great deal of whittling to do KC, as Amputation seems to be the "approved method" of preventing infection from zombie bites.
Of course the person who was bitten ( at least according to fiction) more often than not dies anyway, even when the infected area is amputated (shock trauma,non zombie related infection...etc)...but for those who actually survive, a fine KC sculpted leg will be the reward.

Start making them now while you access to tools!

Ok, that's a little morbid.

Honey is a good way to pack wounds also to prevent infection believe it or not.

Sckitzo wrote:

FITZZ wrote: You might have a great deal of whittling to do KC, as Amputation seems to be the "approved method" of preventing infection from zombie bites.
Of course the person who was bitten ( at least according to fiction) more often than not dies anyway, even when the infected area is amputated (shock trauma,non zombie related infection...etc)...but for those who actually survive, a fine KC sculpted leg will be the reward.

Start making them now while you access to tools!

Ok, that's a little morbid.

Honey is a good way to pack wounds also to prevent infection believe it or not.

Here's another prevention method that caught my eye...

http://proceedings.jbjs.org.uk/cgi/content/abstract/87-B/SUPP_III/251-c

FITZZ wrote:

Sckitzo wrote:

FITZZ wrote: You might have a great deal of whittling to do KC, as Amputation seems to be the "approved method" of preventing infection from zombie bites.
Of course the person who was bitten ( at least according to fiction) more often than not dies anyway, even when the infected area is amputated (shock trauma,non zombie related infection...etc)...but for those who actually survive, a fine KC sculpted leg will be the reward.

Start making them now while you access to tools!

Ok, that's a little morbid.

Honey is a good way to pack wounds also to prevent infection believe it or not.

Here's another prevention method that caught my eye...

http://proceedings.jbjs.org.uk/cgi/content/abstract/87-B/SUPP_III/251-c

Repulsive, but I can see it working, may have to research this a bit more.

Some interesting stuff here as well...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1385918/

http://journals.lww.com/academicmedicine/Citation/1956/31110/A_Method_of_Teaching_Combat_Surgery.6.aspx


... It's funny as I'm the sort of guy who won't go near a Hospital unless I absolutely have no choice, Butterfly stitched / duct taped and super glued many an injury on myself (which drives the Missus nuts).
So the "idea" of emergency field surgery doesn't bother me...though I'm sure if it ever came down to doing it for real I wouldn't be so non chalant...still...if push came right down to shove...I'd try.

Well, at least my summer home will be safe from zombies!

Take a look at this awesome house!

I wonder how much stockpiling could be done in the basement....

micahaphone wrote:Well, at least my summer home will be safe from zombies!

Take a look at this awesome house!

I wonder how much stockpiling could be done in the basement....

oh wow...i want that house...i mean,i want it,how much? give me it now!

micahaphone wrote:Well, at least my summer home will be safe from zombies!

Take a look at this awesome house!

I wonder how much stockpiling could be done in the basement....

Ha, Not bad at all, I'd imagine you'd be able to stockpile quite a bit there as well.

I still prefer the " bunkers" KC found, but the house isn't bad.

To much glass. Hundreds of Zeds would have no issue smashing through that.

Chowderhead wrote:To much glass. Hundreds of Zeds would have no issue smashing through that.

The glass gets covered by retractable barriers.

FITZZ wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:To much glass. Hundreds of Zeds would have no issue smashing through that.

The glass gets covered by retractable barriers.

Oh. Well, then.

Where do I buy one?

Chowderhead wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:To much glass. Hundreds of Zeds would have no issue smashing through that.

The glass gets covered by retractable barriers.

Oh. Well, then.

Where do I buy one?

Still think the underground bunkers are better, the "zombie proof" house is nice, but offers little in the way of protection from " non-zombie" threats ( unless I'm missing something).
A few hostiles with RPG's could prove problematic...and serious explosives may bring the whole structure down.

FITZZ wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:To much glass. Hundreds of Zeds would have no issue smashing through that.

The glass gets covered by retractable barriers.

Oh. Well, then.

Where do I buy one?

Still think the underground bunkers are better, the "zombie proof" house is nice, but offers little in the way of protection from " non-zombie" threats ( unless I'm missing something).
A few hostiles with RPG's could prove problematic...and serious explosives may bring the whole structure down.

I mean, yeah. I would be in the bunker with you guys, but to have that home as a nice shack in case of being stranded? That would be nice.

It defianitly would appear to have more in the way of "creature comforts" that's for sure, with it's "shields" down, a reliable power source and a well stocked pantry, one could almost forget the " troubles" out side.
Of course that in itself could become a problem.

EDIT:...Now here's a zombie proof home.

http://www.silohome.com/underground_bunker_ultimate_survival_shelter_2012_shelter_.htm

FITZZ wrote: It defianitly would appear to have more in the way of "creature comforts" that's for sure, with it's "shields" down, a reliable power source and a well stocked pantry, one could almost forget the " troubles" out side.
Of course that in itself could become a problem.

EDIT:...Now here's a zombie proof home.

http://www.silohome.com/underground_bunker_ultimate_survival_shelter_2012_shelter_.htm

Ooooo I want one, are they for export?

FITZZ wrote: It defianitly would appear to have more in the way of "creature comforts" that's for sure, with it's "shields" down, a reliable power source and a well stocked pantry, one could almost forget the " troubles" out side.
Of course that in itself could become a problem.

EDIT:...Now here's a zombie proof home.

http://www.silohome.com/underground_bunker_ultimate_survival_shelter_2012_shelter_.htm

WANT!

You know, if you attached the " zombie proof" house to the "silo home", and added a few features ( connected gun/look out towers, underground escape routes...) you'd really have the perfect " Zombie fort".
Anyone want to get in on the ground floor of development?

FITZZ wrote: You know, if you attached the " zombie proof" house to the "silo home", and added a few features ( connected gun/look out towers, underground escape routes...) you'd really have the perfect " Zombie fort".
Anyone want to get in on the ground floor of development?

ill get the shovels!

lord commissar klimino wrote:

FITZZ wrote: You know, if you attached the " zombie proof" house to the "silo home", and added a few features ( connected gun/look out towers, underground escape routes...) you'd really have the perfect " Zombie fort".
Anyone want to get in on the ground floor of development?

ill get the shovels!

Well..I was thinking more in the lines of investors ...but hell..your zeal is noted.

A couple big guns, a few tonnes of supplies, and:

Mobile fortress...nice.

i-im in love...

It's beautiful

What is it?

corpsesarefun wrote:It's beautiful

What is it?

*slaps* you monster!

mobile fort.

M-must not fapp....! I WANT ONE! NOW And oh Im game for diggin when it concers the zombie fort

lord commissar klimino wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:It's beautiful

What is it?

*slaps* you monster!

mobile fort.

Yes but what is it called and what is it actually used for?

Or is it just one of DARPA's crazy plans.

corpsesarefun wrote:

lord commissar klimino wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:It's beautiful

What is it?

*slaps* you monster!

mobile fort.

Yes but what is it called and what is it actually used for?

Or is it just one of DARPA's crazy plans.

I belive its used to move space rockets/ Space shuttells to and from the launch pad. but I migth be mistaken

Trondheim wrote:M-must not fapp....! I WANT ONE! NOW And oh Im game for diggin when it concers the zombie fort

*hands shovel* welcome to the team!

I know that when we were shutting down our Atlas missile silos, one man bought the land it was on, excavated out the main tunnel/first room (they were filled in), then built a little bungalow over it. He lives in a silo for the main portion of his house.

Well me and FITZZ already agreed to start funding back when I posted the missile silos , and they are HUGE so Im sure theres plenty of room for other investors.






Any and all investors acknowledge the fact that KC can and will eat any/all of the investors/tenets of said silo when all food rations runs out, or he becomes mildy to severely insane from lack of sleep/40k/crazy sex. Youve been warned.


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That house seems pretty cool, but if the power goes out, your screwed. I wouldnt want to swing those big ass concrete doors or pull down that big ass shutter dealy by myself, with hundreds of hungry flesh eaters running/scampering/walking to me

lord commissar klimino wrote:

Trondheim wrote:M-must not fapp....! I WANT ONE! NOW And oh Im game for diggin when it concers the zombie fort

*hands shovel* welcome to the team!

Thank you, Il provide the music to our work.

AT AN AMAZING 2-3 MILES PER HOUR!

Personally, I like the looks of these MINING MONSTROSITIES:

By the Throne...those mobile facilities are epic. That's it, I'm going to have to build a mobile fortress for my Imperial Guard....then after that, build a Imperial Guard for my mobile fortress.

lol
my zombie survival profile:
Eagle Scout: Knows how to survive on own and has many basic survival skills
Excellent Shot with rifles and shotguns!(i shoot alot)
Intelligent: am a pretty smart person who is adaptable
Diabetes: lack of insulin will suck, will probably die after around 20-30 years due to lack of treatment :(

Kasrkai wrote:

AT AN AMAZING 2-3 MILES PER HOUR!

Personally, I like the looks of these MINING MONSTROSITIES:

I say take all the beams and crap off of the mining one and turn it into a baneblade or something.

at any rate good luck getting fuel for the "mobile" bit in "Mobile fort"

ok,if you want to be safe,you do this.

stay out of cities and towns.

go deep into a large forest/jungle.

go to a place only accessible by water.

try to do these thing,although most likely cant do all. if these rules dont keep you safe,your most likely screwed anyways.

OT Ive always wanted to take this one, and just run that saw thingy down a street and into buildings. Just wanted to share that

KingCracker wrote:OT Ive always wanted to take this one, and just run that saw thingy down a street and into buildings. Just wanted to share that

...can i help?please?

ur not alone KingCracker... but alas it can be nothing more than a dream...

Sabet wrote:ur not alone KingCracker... but alas it can be nothing more than a dream...

HERESY! The zombie apoc IS comming, repent for the end is near!

A dream? Says you buddy. When the gak hits the fan, Im hitting the pedal on that puppy and leaving m mark on the world.


lord commissar klimino - It looks rather big, and Im sure theres something on there that needs more then 2 hands, sure, just dont interrupt the awesome display of building sized saw smashing things! Or youll become lunch

those things remind me of the salt digger in Borderlands, or the crawler in fallout 3 expansion! both great games

KingCracker wrote:A dream? Says you buddy. When the gak hits the fan, Im hitting the pedal on that puppy and leaving m mark on the world.


lord commissar klimino - It looks rather big, and Im sure theres something on there that needs more then 2 hands, sure, just dont interrupt the awesome display of building sized saw smashing things! Or youll become lunch

when the zombies come,ill be away from my family before they know whats going on. only me and my brother even have a chance of living in one

and dont worry,i wont.ill just scream and woot as we cut stuff up

Good, Il provide the Black metal vocal and heandbanging then, and oh I also bring beer... cases of beer

How about building an airship from old looted fabric and camping equipment and travel the world for loot?
no zombies improvise toilet and a team of hunters should do it, (plus a doctor)
awesome?

Juniperius wrote: How about building an airship from old looted fabric and camping equipment and travel the world for loot?
no zombies improvise toilet and a team of hunters should do it, (plus a doctor)
awesome?

would be...if you could find the fuel.plus if you have a malfunction,you better have parachutes. and then there goes your lootin.

darn.....
forgot that, probably just played too many final fantasy. (there healing kills zombies)

Juniperius wrote:darn.....
forgot that, probably just played too many final fantasy. (there healing kills zombies)

never fear! *hands shovel* join us in digging a zombie fort! we know all you need to survive. say...how many people have joined are digging team so far?

Well thinking bout it, perhaps a ramshackle steam-engine powered by wreckage my do the job?
plus i'm thinking low altitude flight, just out of harms way.
add a ladder and you could drop a scavenging team down grab stuff and quickly depart.


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after the base is done i will lead a scavenging team form the airship while you have a base add a farm and a ramshackle wall and we might even survive in a cute community!?

Juniperius wrote:Well thinking bout it, perhaps a ramshackle steam-engine powered by wreckage my do the job?
plus i'm thinking low altitude flight, just out of harms way.
add a ladder and you could drop a scavenging team down grab stuff and quickly depart.


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after the base is done i will lead a scavenging team form the airship while you have a base add a farm and a ramshackle wall and we might even survive in a cute community!?

better yet. fething huge helicopter. the fort sounds good,just have to be thick walled and make sure no nut jobs let them in as part of some cult

Juniperius wrote: How about building an airship from old looted fabric and camping equipment and travel the world for loot?
no zombies improvise toilet and a team of hunters should do it, (plus a doctor)
awesome?

Zombies and airships? i know a book that might be right up your alley... read Boneshaker by Cherie Priest(not sure if spelled her name right)

anywho... im an introvert so running out of people to talk to won't bother me to much, the town I live in has barely seven hundred people at an given time so i hve a better chance of getting away than someone in say..Dallas. As long as i build my knowledge of survival skills i will be fine.

Skycrawler wrote:

Juniperius wrote: How about building an airship from old looted fabric and camping equipment and travel the world for loot?
no zombies improvise toilet and a team of hunters should do it, (plus a doctor)
awesome?

Zombies and airships? i know a book that might be right up your alley... read Boneshaker by Cherie Priest(not sure if spelled her name right)

anywho... im an introvert so running out of people to talk to won't bother me to much, the town I live in has barely seven hundred people at an given time so i hve a better chance of getting away than someone in say..Dallas. As long as i build my knowledge of survival skills i will be fine.

ill live.why?

1.ill grab some food and weapons to whake the zombies.
2.ill leave my family for dead.
3.i have an insane friend who i know will survive for a long time.
4.i wont be careless.
5.wont stay in fort worth.
6.i will do more than just this stuff.

Helicopter would need petrol, a simple woood burning engine, (or a reserve storage of lightweight gas even though it would be irreperably broken when leaky.)
could find supplies just around everywhere pluys if divert some through a windmill coupled to a rear propellar you might even get some speed.
The hull could be assambled from rudementary wood constructs with synthetics and elastics added as cabling and a big homessembled piece of cloth as durigable with additional piping from scavenged metal.
it'd be ramshackle but doable?

Sining up now join the crew!!!

nice....so a blimp? cause unfortunately those dont exist

Challenge accepted

BTW you found the insane friend. (or the insane part for that matter)

errrm is that a LEGO star wars piece i see near the front of the airship? At any rate the airship sounds likea decent idea. as for the location of the fort i say put it on the top of a mountain where the only way up is with climbing gear. It would make it difficult for any humans to raid and nigh imposible for zombies. I would also reccomend making safe houses in the general scavenging areas for those long distance raids.

Juniperius wrote:Challenge accepted

if you make one that works and all that,ill gladly hand you the

Won't do.....yet
Perhaps when i am older. (and still geeky and insane )
Got the picture of the internet don't know where the parts are from.

Skycrawler wrote:

Juniperius wrote: How about building an airship from old looted fabric and camping equipment and travel the world for loot?
no zombies improvise toilet and a team of hunters should do it, (plus a doctor)
awesome?

Zombies and airships? i know a book that might be right up your alley... read Boneshaker by Cherie Priest(not sure if spelled her name right)

anywho... im an introvert so running out of people to talk to won't bother me to much, the town I live in has barely seven hundred people at an given time so i hve a better chance of getting away than someone in say..Dallas. As long as i build my knowledge of survival skills i will be fine.

Actually a town with a population of only 700 people would be great place to set up operations near, there would be a minimal of zombies to deal with , with a few people sniping and clearing, the town could be secure in a short time, at which point you'd have the entire contents of the towns supplies at your disposal.
Even small towns have Hospitals (medical centers), grocery stores...perhaps a Wal-Mart, sporting goods/Hunting stores...the place could be a gold mine of needed items.

Juniperius wrote:Won't do.....yet
Perhaps when i am older. (and still geeky and insane )
Got the picture of the internet don't know where the parts are from.

if you want geeky and insane check out the SG&CF section great stuff.

Lol thanks

FITZZ wrote:

Skycrawler wrote:

Juniperius wrote: How about building an airship from old looted fabric and camping equipment and travel the world for loot?
no zombies improvise toilet and a team of hunters should do it, (plus a doctor)
awesome?

Zombies and airships? i know a book that might be right up your alley... read Boneshaker by Cherie Priest(not sure if spelled her name right)

anywho... im an introvert so running out of people to talk to won't bother me to much, the town I live in has barely seven hundred people at an given time so i hve a better chance of getting away than someone in say..Dallas. As long as i build my knowledge of survival skills i will be fine.

Actually a town with a population of only 700 people would be great place to set up operations near, there would be a minimal of zombies to deal with , with a few people sniping and clearing, the town could be secure in a short time, at which point you'd have the entire contents of the towns supplies at your disposal.
Even small towns have Hospitals (medical centers), grocery stores...perhaps a Wal-Mart, sporting goods/Hunting stores...the place could be a gold mine of needed items.

so....move are shovel business to a less populated area? ok guys,move out!

lord commissar klimino wrote:nice....so a blimp? cause unfortunately those dont exist

Wut?

Blimps don't exist?

corpsesarefun wrote:

lord commissar klimino wrote:nice....so a blimp? cause unfortunately those dont exist

Wut?

Blimps don't exist?

no air ships dont. his picture was of an air ship and-just re read the conversation...

ok,so a problem i would have with the Apocalypse is chocolate stores having no power. all that chocolate...melted!

lord commissar klimino wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:

lord commissar klimino wrote:nice....so a blimp? cause unfortunately those dont exist

Wut?

Blimps don't exist?

no air ships dont. his picture was of an air ship and-just re read the conversation...

ok,so a problem i would have with the Apocalypse is chocolate stores having no power. all that chocolate...melted!

Meh, even in a store with no air conditioning the chocolate won't melt, it'll just get soft...Much like GW's new Finecast minis ...
You'll still have plenty of chocolate to eat..even if you have to suck it off the wrapping.

FITZZ wrote:

lord commissar klimino wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:

lord commissar klimino wrote:nice....so a blimp? cause unfortunately those dont exist

Wut?

Blimps don't exist?

no air ships dont. his picture was of an air ship and-just re read the conversation...

ok,so a problem i would have with the Apocalypse is chocolate stores having no power. all that chocolate...melted!

Meh, even in a store with no air conditioning the chocolate won't melt, it'll just get soft...Much like GW's new Finecast minis ...
You'll still have plenty of chocolate to eat..even if you have to suck it off the wrapping.

WOOHOO! *raids chocolate store* oh,what? i was suppose to wait til the zombies come? lame.

No chocolate Noooooooooooooooooooooo

Go to a small town near a military base, that way you can raid the base for munitions and supplies (which they have lots of) and wont have to worry about zombie soldiers shooting you because they dont use guns, clear out the town of zombies, then clear the base of zombies, and you are set for a long time.

lord commissar klimino wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:

lord commissar klimino wrote:nice....so a blimp? cause unfortunately those dont exist

Wut?

Blimps don't exist?

no air ships dont. his picture was of an air ship and-just re read the conversation...

ok,so a problem i would have with the Apocalypse is chocolate stores having no power. all that chocolate...melted!

Airships don't exist either?

corpsesarefun wrote: Airships don't exist either?

well not the kind he was talking about.and that looks more like a blimp to me but whatever.

Blimps aren't rigid, airships are, there's your difference.

iproxtaco wrote:Blimps aren't rigid, airships are, there's your difference.

not much of a difference,but im sure theres a reason

Blimps have no internal structure to them, airships do. In terms of design, it's a pretty big difference.

was the hindenburg a blimp or airship, airship correct?

dajobe wrote:was the hindenburg a blimp or airship, airship correct?

Correct, it was an airship...filled with Hydrogen, which is very explosive under the right (wrong) circumstances.


EDIT:...Though the idea of using blimps/airships to " rise above" ground bound zombies has it's appeal, I personaly don't really see the point...living on a blimp is impractical and there would be much easier means of air travel available.

FITZZ wrote:

dajobe wrote:was the hindenburg a blimp or airship, airship correct?

Correct, it was an airship...filled with Hydrogen, which is very explosive under the right (wrong) circumstances.

This is something that the Hindenburg proved....

sillyboy wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

dajobe wrote:was the hindenburg a blimp or airship, airship correct?

Correct, it was an airship...filled with Hydrogen, which is very explosive under the right (wrong) circumstances.

This is something that the Hindenburg proved....

Exactly, the Hindenburg disaster was the chief reason " lighter than air" travel was scrapped for the most part.
Though now modern Blimps/Airships don't use Hydrogen for lift.

FITZZ wrote:
Though now modern Blimps/Airships don't use Hydrogen for lift.

Correct.

Modern Blimps/Airships are now powered by the faith of the people in me, the Immortal Emperor of Humanity.

WarOne wrote:

FITZZ wrote:
Though now modern Blimps/Airships don't use Hydrogen for lift.

Correct.

Modern Blimps/Airships are now powered by the faith of the people in me, the Immortal Emperor of Humanity.

i gave up on you long ago

lord commissar klimino wrote:

WarOne wrote:

FITZZ wrote:
Though now modern Blimps/Airships don't use Hydrogen for lift.

Correct.

Modern Blimps/Airships are now powered by the faith of the people in me, the Immortal Emperor of Humanity.

i gave up on you long ago

Oh...well the good news is is that the blood of the nonbelievers is used as fuel for clean energy cars.

Everyone helps in their own way during these economic hardships.

WarOne wrote:

lord commissar klimino wrote:

WarOne wrote:

FITZZ wrote:
Though now modern Blimps/Airships don't use Hydrogen for lift.

Correct.

Modern Blimps/Airships are now powered by the faith of the people in me, the Immortal Emperor of Humanity.

i gave up on you long ago

Oh...well the good news is is that the blood of the nonbelievers is used as fuel for clean energy cars.

Everyone helps in their own way during these economic hardships.

*munch munch* oh,sorry,i was just eating this marines head. use my blood as fuel,nah,ill pass.but hey,theirs a group of chaos losers over at that taco bell.

lord commissar klimino wrote:

WarOne wrote:

lord commissar klimino wrote:

WarOne wrote:

FITZZ wrote:
Though now modern Blimps/Airships don't use Hydrogen for lift.

Correct.

Modern Blimps/Airships are now powered by the faith of the people in me, the Immortal Emperor of Humanity.

i gave up on you long ago

Oh...well the good news is is that the blood of the nonbelievers is used as fuel for clean energy cars.

Everyone helps in their own way during these economic hardships.

*munch munch* oh,sorry,i was just eating this marines head. use my blood as fuel,nah,ill pass.but hey,theirs a group of chaos losers over at that taco bell.

Oh, well then let me get in my CRASSUS ARMORED ASSAULT TRANSPORT PRIUS and pay a visit to those heretics.

WarOne wrote:

FITZZ wrote:
Though now modern Blimps/Airships don't use Hydrogen for lift.

Correct.

Modern Blimps/Airships are now powered by the faith of the people in me, the Immortal Emperor of Humanity.

But surely Blimps/ Airships powered by faith in you would be so powerful...so " uplifting" that they would escape Earths atmosphere and begin crashing into the moon.

FITZZ wrote:

WarOne wrote:

FITZZ wrote:
Though now modern Blimps/Airships don't use Hydrogen for lift.

Correct.

Modern Blimps/Airships are now powered by the faith of the people in me, the Immortal Emperor of Humanity.

But surely Blimps/ Airships powered by faith in you would be so powerful...so " uplifting" that they would escape Earths atmosphere and begin crashing into the moon.

That's why I chained every heretic I could find to the moon. Their collective, seething hatred compels anything that is powered by love for me to stay within the atmosphere of the planet.

WarOne wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

WarOne wrote:

FITZZ wrote:
Though now modern Blimps/Airships don't use Hydrogen for lift.

Correct.

Modern Blimps/Airships are now powered by the faith of the people in me, the Immortal Emperor of Humanity.

But surely Blimps/ Airships powered by faith in you would be so powerful...so " uplifting" that they would escape Earths atmosphere and begin crashing into the moon.

That's why I chained every heretic I could find to the moon. Their collective, seething hatred compels anything that is powered by love for me to stay within the atmosphere of the planet.

define heretic. cause i hate chaos. and am not a hater.

lord commissar klimino wrote:

WarOne wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

WarOne wrote:

FITZZ wrote:
Though now modern Blimps/Airships don't use Hydrogen for lift.

Correct.

Modern Blimps/Airships are now powered by the faith of the people in me, the Immortal Emperor of Humanity.

But surely Blimps/ Airships powered by faith in you would be so powerful...so " uplifting" that they would escape Earths atmosphere and begin crashing into the moon.

That's why I chained every heretic I could find to the moon. Their collective, seething hatred compels anything that is powered by love for me to stay within the atmosphere of the planet.

define heretic. cause i hate chaos. and am not a hater.

Step into my CRASSUS ARMORED ASSAULT TRANSPORT PRIUS and we'll "discuss" what these chains and never-run-out-of-oxygen space suits are for.

WarOne wrote:Step into my CRASSUS ARMORED ASSAULT TRANSPORT PRIUS and we'll "discuss" what these chains and never-run-out-of-oxygen space suits are for.

sorry,ill pass. im just gonna go finish that experiment with rabies i was workin on. just hope fluffy didnt knock its case over....

dajobe wrote:Go to a small town near a military base, that way you can raid the base for munitions and supplies (which they have lots of) and wont have to worry about zombie soldiers shooting you because they dont use guns, clear out the town of zombies, then clear the base of zombies, and you are set for a long time.

Yeah, because none of it will have been issued out to trained soldiers and or guarded by trained soldiers who may not like looters. If the troops are gone (say deployed to fight the undead somewhere, or to control looters), what are the chances they left a lot of weapons and ammo laying about when they left?

Additionally, unless you have a good deal of explosives and the knowledge on how to prepare and set breaching charges, good luck opening the arms rooms and ammo storage bunkers. You'll have better luck looting pawn and gun shops and WalMart for your ammo and guns.


Jake (who happens to live near a couple bases, and has lived near or on bases for the last 20 some years).

corpsesarefun wrote:I can produce aspirin given the right components, turns out chemistry is a really useful skill in a zombie apocalypse.

This is why if I had the chance and knew a zombie breakout happened. I would be staying near my friends who went to uni to study various sciences or engineering. I'm more of a hands on practical type that can move heavy loads.

Otherwise if I was in a city I would be grabbing as much non perishable food as possible then making for a farm somewhere. Or an island community.

You think you have a problem? My flat looks out over a Victorian Graveyard.

When it all kicks off, I'll be knee deep in impeccably mannered stiffs before you can say Jack Robinson!

CptJake wrote:

dajobe wrote:Go to a small town near a military base, that way you can raid the base for munitions and supplies (which they have lots of) and wont have to worry about zombie soldiers shooting you because they dont use guns, clear out the town of zombies, then clear the base of zombies, and you are set for a long time.

Yeah, because none of it will have been issued out to trained soldiers and or guarded by trained soldiers who may not like looters. If the troops are gone (say deployed to fight the undead somewhere, or to control looters), what are the chances they left a lot of weapons and ammo laying about when they left?

Additionally, unless you have a good deal of explosives and the knowledge on how to prepare and set breaching charges, good luck opening the arms rooms and ammo storage bunkers. You'll have better luck looting pawn and gun shops and WalMart for your ammo and guns.


Jake (who happens to live near a couple bases, and has lived near or on bases for the last 20 some years).

Have to chime in with my fellow Captain here, attempting to "loot" a military base would fall into a "last resort, only if unpopulated" plan...
If the base was still maned one should either avoid it (plenty of ammo/weapons/etc still laying about in small civilian areas) or offer to assist the soldiers already present ( depending on the situation).

Raiding an unsupported base would most likely be a more effort than return situation, as Capt. Jake pointed out.

we talked about this kinda earlier. if the soldier has family nearby when the zombies come,most likely they will leave to go help them so the base will be less defended. just wait. as they send party's out to find food,watch as they loose men or help them loose men. after awhile you will have enough stuff to were you dont need to raid it,or it will be weak enough to.

Actually, local families will most likely be brought onto base. Non-local families will be encouraged to make it to the nearest base andtaken in there.

You have obviously never lived near an an Army base that had active duty units stationed there and or tried to get onto base when there was some type of security alert going on. I guarantee Ft Hood, Bragg, Lewis, Stewart, Campbell, Drum, Bliss, et al will not be places you want to go uninvited. Maybe several years after a breakout when civilization is completely Tango Uniform, but the first year or two at least, those places will not be worth your effort.