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AvatarForm wrote:t-hawk wrote:I just received my Thunderhawk from FW today. I had only one part that was messed up and needs to be replaced. Almost the entire kit was straight without any warping. Overall, I'm very impressed with the quality. I'm wondering if they recently made a new mold....
Reported as troll account.
"t-hawk" commenting on his FW Thunderhawk
4 posts total.
Joined today.
Yeh... either a FW employee or someone attempting to be smart.
Sorry to disappoint you, but I've had this logon name for over 5 years on other forums before deciding to finally buy a Thunderhawk. I'd suggest you switch to decaf and remember it's a hobby....
Back on target, the summer of fliers would be great and I'm looking forward to getting flyers integrated into the game. If my usual luck holds, now that I did purchase a FW Thunderhawk, it means the plastic one is sure to be released later this year. Had I waited another 5 years, it would have continued to be the most discussed 40k rumor. 
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Post by: Praxiss
TBD wrote:How concrete are the rumours about all those huge flyers then?
If they have a release full of 100,- Euro models I'm inclined to think they would not sell enough of them to make back their investment, to be honest. They have only released two (three if you count the two Guard tanks as separate) such kits yet, and not at the same time. I don't think it would be a wise economic decision to release three or more of these things at the same time. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
The thing with plastic t-hawks is that, as both SM and CSM can use them, they could produce one kit and just chuck in a couple of chaos behicle sprues to sell it as a "Chaos Thunderhawk".. not ideal by any means but i can see them doing it.
Afterall, it works for tanks.
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Post by: t-hawk
I agree. I'd buy a plastic one for both my BA and CSM armies. I'd do it now, but I can't afford another $600+ model.
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Post by: Illumini
I would easily buy a 200$ plastic thunderhawk. It isn't just the price which is detering with FW, resin is also not exactly awesome to work with, and as others have said, the casting quality is very uneven. My krieg commissar is an awesome cast, while my BA termie shoulder pads were pretty bad casts
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Post by: TBD
Note that I didn't say it is impossible there will be a Thunderhawk, but the people expecting one will more than likely be disappointed (and blame GW on the internetz).
And if we do get one, and no big expensive flyers for several other (xenos) armies, then the Marine-hater posse will rage (and blame GW on the internetz).
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Post by: Praxiss
I'm pretty that whatever happens, GW will get the blame.
Even if they do make a platic t-hawk, and it comes with free chapter sepcific doors and a free titan, there'll be something not quite right and the interweb will blame GW.
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Post by: Lord Scythican
Praxiss wrote:I'm pretty that whatever happens, GW will get the blame.
Even if they do make a platic t-hawk, and it comes with free chapter sepcific doors and a free titan, there'll be something not quite right and the interweb will blame GW.
If it doesn't come with Ork Glyphs, I will probably complain some...
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Post by: BrookM
Gentlemen, this is Dakka Dakka, where someone, somewhere always finds something to bitch about. 
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Post by: TBD
Imagine the nerdrage we'll get if a Thunderhawk does indeed come out, and it's almost an exact (but bigger) copy of the Stormraven 
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Post by: BrookM
Applying reverse logic, the Chibi-hawk is for the most part a scaled down Big Bird.
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Post by: Kroothawk
TBD wrote:How concrete are the rumours about all those huge flyers then?
Most flyers discussed are smaller than a Valkyrie, only the (not so likely in the near future) Thunderhawk is bigger.
There are several independent sources who have seen flyers, but only one source speaks of the "Wartornj Skies" WD supplement.
Kanluwen wrote:Thunderhawk, as it stands, is the "best option" for the Astartes factions. Everyone, even Chaos, can use them.
When everyone else gets a fighter aircraft, a Space Marine dropship would look stupid in dogfights 
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Post by: Kanluwen
Kroothawk wrote:TBD wrote:How concrete are the rumours about all those huge flyers then?
Most flyers discussed are smaller than a Valkyrie, only the (not so likely in the near future) Thunderhawk is bigger.
There are several independent sources who have seen flyers, but only one source speaks of the "Wartorn Skies" WD supplement.
Kanluwen wrote:Thunderhawk, as it stands, is the "best option" for the Astartes factions. Everyone, even Chaos, can use them.
When everyone else gets a fighter aircraft, a Space Marine dropship would look stupid in dogfights
Thunderhawk isn't a "dropship". It's a gunship.
Now, if it was a Thunderhawk Transporter--then yes, it'd look stupid. But the Thunderhawk? Nah.
But if everyone's getting fighters(which doesn't look entirely like it's the case, considering the Harridan is in there--and it's far closer to being a "dropship" than the Thunderhawk is--along with its suitability at attacking and destroying ground targets)--then it'll likely be the Marines getting the Land Speeder Tempest or something entirely pulled out of their collective bums. Automatically Appended Next Post: And for that matter:
The Eldar & Tyranid flyers that have been mentioned are bigger than Valkyries. The Harridans that we saw in IA4 picked up and dropped Valkyries to destroy them.
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Post by: ChrisWWII
Kroothawk wrote:
When everyone else gets a fighter aircraft, a Space Marine dropship would look stupid in dogfights
Not to mention that in BFG, Thunderhawks are able to stand up to enemy fighters and interceptos pretty damn well.
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Post by: Kroothawk
I own the Eldar and Tau fighters and they are about the same size as a Valkyrie. The Tyranids will get a Harpy that is rumoured to be Valkyrie sized and having the Valkyrie base. Noone said that Tyranids will get a Harridan ("gargantuan") in the near future which is considerably larger than a Harpy ("monstrous").
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Perhaps I posted about inexpensive model cases convenient for larger models just at the right time:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/355056.page
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Post by: t-hawk
Wallyworld also sells a Sterilite footlocker that is great for storing minis and vehicles. It even has wheels and a padlock mount for Con use. GW trays also fit three wide inside - enough space for an entire weekend of gaming!
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Post by: SonicPara
Praxiss wrote:The thing with plastic t-hawks is that, as both SM and CSM can use them.
Actually Chaos has never formally been allowed to have a Thunderhawk, Chaos players who want one have just taken the "Hey Chaos, take Imperial tanks you like and use them too" note in there and ran with it. Of course there is nothing restricting Chaos from using any vehicle as Apocalypse allows you to use any blend of models you would like, but Chaos has never been formally given the Thunderhawk.
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Post by: Alphacerberus
SonicPara wrote:Praxiss wrote:The thing with plastic t-hawks is that, as both SM and CSM can use them.
Actually Chaos has never formally been allowed to have a Thunderhawk, Chaos players who want one have just taken the "Hey Chaos, take Imperial tanks you like and use them too" note in there and ran with it. Of course there is nothing restricting Chaos from using any vehicle as Apocalypse allows you to use any blend of models you would like, but Chaos has never been formally given the Thunderhawk.
well chaos legions never used them as they wasn't around ( well the design they use now) but traitor chapters has nothing in fluff to say they can't
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Post by: Jackal
Who needs a platsic Thunderhawk, or even resin?
Got the ancient metal block floating about somewhere still in its crate.
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Post by: SonicPara
Alphacerberus wrote:well chaos legions never used them as they wasn't around ( well the design they use now) but traitor chapters has nothing in fluff to say they can't
Exactly, any "Chaos Thunderhawk" that surfaces is just a Chaos player taking anything imperial that they want and using the rules for it because that vague little note says they can with Imperial tanks. It is the same thing as when you see Chaos players playing Apocalypse games with Land Speeders. There are no Chaos rules for them, they are just playing SM alongside their CSM but dressing everything up the same.
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Post by: Kanluwen
SonicPara wrote:Alphacerberus wrote:well chaos legions never used them as they wasn't around ( well the design they use now) but traitor chapters has nothing in fluff to say they can't
Exactly, any "Chaos Thunderhawk" that surfaces is just a Chaos player taking anything imperial that they want and using the rules for it because that vague little note says they can with Imperial tanks. It is the same thing as when you see Chaos players playing Apocalypse games with Land Speeders. There are no Chaos rules for them, they are just playing SM alongside their CSM but dressing everything up the same.
Actually, no it's not.
The background has had the Legions operating Thunderhawks that they've stolen/looted from the Loyalists for quite a while now.
Why?
It's a simple frame to work from. The Thunderhawk is brutally utilitarian, much like the Rhino and Land Raider chassis are. The "Stormbird" that the original Legions would have had was as much a piece of art as it was a functioning craft.
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Post by: AdeptArtificer
In the fluff Chaos legions have had t-hawks since before the Heresy. Look up; Thousand Sons, Horus Rising, and Fulgrim.
From a game perspective you are correct in that Chaos has never had rules for a thunder hawk or even a standard drop pod that can't take off after landing.
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Post by: alphaomega
AdeptArtificer wrote:In the fluff Chaos legions have had t-hawks since before the Heresy. Look up; Thousand Sons, Horus Rising, and Fulgrim.
Just a good example of "Fluff is fluid" there.
The Thunderhawk in other (older pieces of fluff) came about after the heresy and replaced the much larger Stormbird.
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Post by: Kanluwen
alphaomega wrote:AdeptArtificer wrote:In the fluff Chaos legions have had t-hawks since before the Heresy. Look up; Thousand Sons, Horus Rising, and Fulgrim.
Just a good example of "Fluff is fluid" there.
The Thunderhawk in other (older pieces of fluff) came about after the heresy and replaced the much larger Stormbird.
Point it out for me then, because the fluff I've got shows AdeptArtificer to be right.
Why? Because as early as "Horus Rising", we've been seeing the Thunderhawk present and how it's gradually replacing the Stormbird.
Prior to that, there's no mention whatsoever of the Thunderhawk being a "replacement" for anything.
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Post by: alphaomega
3rd ed codex has something about it I am sure.
Where my copy has vanished I am not too sure :/
But I believe it was in the part discussing the fleet organisation, as a fluff style report.
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Also no mention in BFG, Previous Chaos Codex, 3rd or 4th Edition Rule book about Chaos Marines having Thunderhawks. That was first done in Horus Rising, but in none of the other Fluff. Or book series.
They mention drop ships and the like, but never mention the Thunderhawk.
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Post by: winnertakesall
Flyers would be amazing, although it would probably have to be apoc only, otherwise things get stupid, and I think it will be difficult to impliment them, the rules will be hard to write, dogfights ect. and suddenly when you have this sort of thing battlefields seem far too small.
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Post by: Praxiss
Teh flyer rules in apoc are pretty straighforward. Move a min of 36". When shooting at it you measure to the base and add 12" to take into account the height. And non-pintle or AA mounted weapons can only hit on a 6.
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Post by: tetrisphreak
The harpy needs something to make it more survivable in standard games. Autocannons wound on a 2+ and ignore it's save, railguns and conversion beamers (and deffrollas,haha) insta-kill it. Its gun, which is only good for suppression at best, isn't reliable (even with being twin-linked). I haven't yet found a good niche for the flying beast, which sucks because I have two really cool looking ones I modeled from trygon kits with balrog wings and some other resin bits.
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Post by: Small, Far Away
This will be really cool or very bad. I hope it's good, because air support for my guys is just what I need. Because it would look cool.
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Post by: VermGho5t
Kilkrazy wrote:If true, the Summer of Fliers is going to be more like a Summer of Damp Squibs.
It's Damp Squids.
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Post by: Skinnereal
It's you're after the term for a bit of a letdown, it's squibs. Look for Filch in Harry Potter for a quick check, but squibs are used for cleaning IIRC.
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Post by: Alpharius
Damn - this thread just won't stay dead!
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Post by: Skinnereal
But, is it still just a rumour?
I might have time to get my Eldar painted up, and get some swooping pew pew.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Skinnereal wrote:But, is it still just a rumour?
And it'll always stay just a rumour
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Post by: deleted20250424
Alpharius wrote:Damn - this thread just won't stay dead!
I was thinking the same thing.
Is it time to mention the Plastic Thunderhawk yet?
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Post by: Miraclefish
Apparently Grey Knights are getting a giant walker thing too....
Sorry, I thought we were playing unsubstantiated rumour game. If I pretend hard enough, Ward hasn't ruined my favourite army yet...
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Post by: Gavin Thorne
Skinnereal wrote:It's you're after the term for a bit of a letdown, it's squibs. Look for Filch in Harry Potter for a quick check, but squibs are used for cleaning IIRC.
You're right, it is squib, but the terminology refers to a small explosive, most commonly used in the movie industry to simulate the effects of gunfire on a variety of surfaces, including humans when combined with a plastic bag of special effects blood. A damp squib would be a letdown because it will fail to explode. Back on topic, though. I find it interesting, slightly disappointing, but also enlivening that there's no anticipated SM release other than the Stormraven for the Summer of Flyers. You'd think the posterboys would get a little sumfin-sumfin, even if it's just hard-top speeders...
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Post by: Ascalam
Like they need sumfin
They'll probably get new look GK rhinos that are in blue plastc, look like a Police Box and come with a sound chip
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Post by: deleted20250424
Gavin Thorne wrote:
Back on topic, though. I find it interesting, slightly disappointing, but also enlivening that there's no anticipated SM release other than the Stormraven for the Summer of Flyers. You'd think the posterboys would get a little sumfin-sumfin, even if it's just hard-top speeders...
It will be an AA turret for the Whirlwind.
It will be retconned into Heresy fluff where it was last seen aiding Sanguinius fighting the demon.
It was actually the flak from the AA that broke the demons' back.*
* Idea and rhyme not to be stolen by Matt Ward.
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Post by: bigmek35
agnosto wrote:
GW Management: Hey guys, I've got it; let's create micro-releases that only do something nice for 1 to 3 armies, people will love it. You know, instead of doing something for every army and selling a great deal more merchandise, we don't want that now do we?
GW Sycophant: Fantastic idea! I've got another great idea! Let's make a big deal about allowing people to "showcase" their armies. Maybe they'll run out and buy all new models like a teenage girl on her first date buys a whole new wardrobe.
GW Management: I'm glad we're so smart. Let's hold hands!
That my friend is geting siged!
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Post by: porkuslime
Games Workshop wrote:Incoming: Storm of Magic
Storm of Magic - when the eight winds howl...
The Winds of Magic are tumultuous. Drawn by Morrslieb, they are prone to rise from a strong gale into a howling tempest. And when they do no kingdom or realm is safe.
Monsters awaken from their slumber and are summoned from their lairs at the bidding of sorcerous masters. Armies assemble, ready to defend their borders or seize the opportunity to gain limitless power. It is in these desperate times tenuous pacts between wizards and creatures of darkness are sealed to create alliances never thought possible.
A time of doom and great deeds is at hand. Will you rise to meet the storm?
Announcing the impending arrival of Storm of Magic, the latest and largest Expansion for Warhammer, the Game of Fantasy Battles. Launched in July 2011, Storm of Magic describes what happens when great eldritch maelstroms roil across the lands. Magic becomes far more powerful and there is a whole range of Cataclysm spells to cast, unleashing untold devastation on the enemy. Arcane Fulcrums burst from the ground, not only acting as loci for the swirling energies that pervade a battle fought amidst the Storm of Magic, but changing the way a Warhammer tabletop looks and interacts with your armies. With such things so crucial to your Storm of Magic games a new range of Warhammer scenery and Wizards will soon be released in time for you to wage cataclysmic battles.
Then there are the monsters. When the Winds of Magic blow with such strength, the fell creatures of the world gravitate towards the tempest, slithering from deep tunnels or emerging from mountain lairs.
With the new Expansion allowing you to use so many different creatures there are a whole host of new monstrous plastic kits on their way. Citadel's queen of creatures, Trish Morrison, has spent the last few years in her own lair preparing for the new monsters to be unleashed upon the world and you can see two brief glimpses of what is to come below:
July is still a few months away; we are in the calm before the storm so now is the time to prepare. Bolster your forces, prepare your regiments and summon your wizards in time for the ultimate war. Keep checking White Dwarf and the website for updates, for when the storm hits nowhere will be safe!
New Incoming article.. which implies that THIS is the big summer doo-hickey... will they do 2 things?
-P
EDIT: better thread for this specific expansion here.. (sorry Yggs)
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/360231.page
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Post by: Leggy
There's still a chance the flyer expansion could come in august. GW's idea of summer is typically quite vague. However with the stormraven out, and the Dark Eldar Flyers rumoured to be due in June, I'm not sure there's any product releases for the event to push. IG Hydras, maybe?
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Post by: BrassScorpion
I was just about to say, here's your "Summer Of Fliers" with regard to Storm Of Magic, but I see someone already posted it just a little bit before me. Unless by "fliers" people meant dragons and griffins (or gryphonnes in the proprietary GW spelling) and the like, Summer Of Fliers would appear to be a bust.
Summer Of Fliers, killed before it had a chance to live. Farewell, Summer Of Fliers, you will be missed, if it's possible to miss something that never happened in the first place. Maybe another year you'll get to ravage the war-torn 41st Millennium. Bye-bye.
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Post by: Kroothawk
It's Wartorn Skies. And I still think it is coming ... in August.
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Post by: evilsponge
Stickmonkey'ed again
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Post by: BrassScorpion
I'm sure every time GW announces something else for one more month then the following month will be the one rumored to have the "Summer Of Fliers", even if we're into next February. And even if this materializes in August it's a Summer Of Fliers not even in the strictest seasonally literal sense. Summer begins in the northern hemisphere June 21 and the recreational summer is over these days in a lot of places before August is even over. So what is the new nomenclature on this? How about the "Highly Abbreviated Summer Season Of Flyers"? Stickmonkey'ed again
That sounds uncomfortable, you might want to have a doctor look at that.
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Post by: Brother SRM
BrassScorpion wrote: So what is the new nomenclature on this? How about the "Highly Abbreviated Summer Season Of Flyers"?
Wartorn Skies. Posted two posts above yours.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Yes, I saw that. I was making a point, which I believe still stands.
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Post by: Savnock
Kroothawk wrote:It's Wartorn Skies. And I still think it is coming ... in August.
I'm with Kroothawk, and willing to place a small wager on a flyers-oriented release by end of August. Forget the timing, BrassScorpion: if it's for flyers and in the summer at all I'll be happy, and the naysayers would be wrong. Care to place a friendly bet on this?
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Post by: BrassScorpion
How about everyone bet on how many NEW model kits are being released with the "Highly Abbreviated Summer Season Of Flyers" since nearly everything that started out in this rumor clearly had little veracity? Even if this materializes, this is a lot different than the original "Summer Of Fliers" chatter which was so persistent until THIS MORNING's announcement of Storm Of Magic that this thread is named Summer Of Fliers. Or did everyone suddenly forget that this started out as a supposed early summer promotion with rumored new fliers for virtually every army in 40K? LOL. It really doesn't matter much to me, I'm happy to see new kits whenever they are released and however many there are. I just find it amusing how short the memory can be for many Warhammer "enthusiasts". If someone has something about what kits are being released, then that would be news I'd like to hear. Unfortunately, unlike with the Dreadknight, I don't have anything in advance to share on this one.
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Post by: Kanluwen
BrassScorpion wrote:How about everyone bet on how many NEW model kits are being released with the "Highly Abbreviated Summer Season Of Flyers" since nearly every thing that started out in this rumor clearly had little veracity? Even if this materializes, this is a lot different than the original "Summer Of Fliers" chatter which was so persistent until THIS MORNING's announcement of Storm Of Magic that this thread is named Summer Of Fliers.
Who's to say it can't still be the Summer of Fliers though?
If they're both going to be White Dwarf articles, one gets one month and the other gets another--fwabam. Problem solved.
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Post by: Worglock
BrassScorpion wrote:How about everyone bet on how many NEW model kits are being released with the "Highly Abbreviated Summer Season Of Flyers" since nearly everything that started out in this rumor clearly had little veracity? Even if this materializes, this is a lot different than the original "Summer Of Fliers" chatter which was so persistent until THIS MORNING's announcement of Storm Of Magic that this thread is named Summer Of Fliers. Or did everyone suddenly forget that this started out as a supposed early summer promotion with rumored new fliers for virtually every army in 40K? LOL.
How about we bet on how interested I'll be in this if it doesn't contain 40K version of the old Tzeentch Flying Daemon Engines from Epic.
I'll start off by betting 1 Billion Dollars on "Not interested at all."
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Savnock wrote:Kroothawk wrote:It's Wartorn Skies. And I still think it is coming ... in August.
I'm with Kroothawk, and willing to place a small wager on a flyers-oriented release by end of August. Forget the timing, BrassScorpion: if it's for flyers and in the summer at all I'll be happy, and the naysayers would be wrong. Care to place a friendly bet on this?
It's a done deal that the Dark Eldar airplanes will get released sooner or later. Anything else is a pipe dream until it's printed in a Codex, IMHO. "Flyers" (that aren't, really) for one faction do not an expansion make.
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Post by: Kroothawk
BrassScorpion wrote:How about everyone bet on how many NEW model kits are being released with the "Highly Abbreviated Summer Season Of Flyers" since nearly everything that started out in this rumor clearly had little veracity? Even if this materializes, this is a lot different than the original "Summer Of Fliers" chatter which was so persistent until THIS MORNING's announcement of Storm Of Magic that this thread is named Summer Of Fliers. Or did everyone suddenly forget that this started out as a supposed early summer promotion with rumored new fliers for virtually every army in 40K? LOL.
It really doesn't matter much to me, I'm happy to see new kits whenever they are released and however many there are. I just find it amusing how short the memory can be for many Warhammer "enthusiasts".
If someone has something about what kits are being released, then that would be news I'd like to hear. Unfortunately, unlike with the Dreadknight, I don't have anything in advance to share on this one.
Counterquestion: Is the rumour about a 2nd Dark Eldar wave in June negated now that we know of the release of Tomb Kings in May?
If you follow rumours, then you see that both rumours are independent, that's why I made one thread for each. The Fantasy rumour turned out true, that doesn't make the other one false. Maybe I got both right, we will see in 4 weeks.
Is August in Summer? Yes. Summer ends 23rd September. August is also rarely used for Codex/army book releases due to many people being on holidays and/or not playing indoor tabletops that much. So GW often uses it for campaigns, supplements and such.
Will we get flyers? Before 2011 we had basically only one, the Valkyrie. Now we have the Storm Raven for Blood Angels and Grey Knights. In June we will get at least another one for Dark Eldar, similar to the Eldar Phoenix (combo kit?), with several others in the works, as seen by several posters.
But I will bookmark this page for future reference
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Post by: MikeMcSomething
Every time I see this thread pop up to the top I think it's going to have news but it just turns out to be someone talking about how ''awesome'' a plastic thunderhawk would be or something equally news-like.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
This thread reminds me of when a "psychic" gets one prediction right out of hundreds by pure chance and all the believers proclaim them "authentic". So far every rumor about this has turned out to be blatantly untrue, but when some version or part of this whole idea finally does happen there will be people that will conveniently forget all the false rumors they proclaimed as being for certain and then claim they were correct all along.
Every time I see this thread pop up to the top I think it's going to have news but it just turns out to be someone talking about how ''awesome'' a plastic thunderhawk would be or something equally news-like.
Every time? Now that is THE definition of optimism!
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Post by: MajorTom11
Plastic Thunderhawk??? No ways!!!!
Anyone have pics?
I also heard a rumor the Golden Throne is actually a toilet. With wings.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
I also heard a rumor the Golden Throne is actually a toilet. With wings.
Any chair one never gets out of eventually doubles as a toilet. I will be happy to see what kits are finally being released for this promotion and supposed expansion whenever it does come along. With the variety of my 40K collection there's bound to be something fun for me in there.
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Post by: ChrisWWII
I'm still crossing my fingers for a plastic Hydra.  Unlikely to happen, but a man can dream, can't he?!
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Post by: Captain Jack
Meh, I'll go back to playing more Aeronautica then...
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Post by: Leggy
I can see you're getting defensive Kroothawk, but don't left the frustration upset you. For the most part, I suspect that most people believe there'll be some kind of Wartorn skies expansion. However we've been so let down by all the blatantly nonsensical hyperbole that it'll be near impossible for the release to fulfil our expectations.
Lets face it, best we're likely to get is a White Dwarf article, and releases for the Hydra and one of the DE flyers. Medium odds say we might get the nid harpy. Anything more (Thunderbolt, tau flyer, Eldar Falcon/vampire, Thunderhawk) are longshots.
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Post by: Scarey Nerd
I wouldn't be particularly impressed if Wartorn Skies was the equivalent of DoW: Soulstorm... Necron scarabs becoming airborne was just bad...
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Post by: Brother SRM
Scarey Nerd wrote:I wouldn't be particularly impressed if Wartorn Skies was the equivalent of DoW: Soulstorm... Necron scarabs becoming airborne was just bad...
Considering they can't really sell scarabs as a "flyer" kit, I don't see that happening.
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Post by: logg_frogg
lol. My bet is that they will do it but it will be as well supported as appocalypse lol
Seriously folks, an Ork Stomppa and a Baneblade in plastic... like WTF happened to the rest of the armies
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Post by: Savnock
BrassScorpion wrote:I also heard a rumor the Golden Throne is actually a toilet. With wings.
Any chair one never gets out of eventually doubles as a toilet.
Heh heh heh...
Look, if they're going to give something nifty to the xenos, you KNOW there's going to be an Imperial counter to it released right away. And even with only the Dildar flyers, a Thunderbolt and a Hydra releaseed plus a set of rules, you've got a decent release. After all, converting Ork and 'Nid fliers isn't exactly the hardest thing on earth. A few WWII kits murderously plated up and a few Spawn kits debased and you've got fliers for half the armies out there (including Eldar who will just de-spike the Dildar kit).
Anyways, to return to the original bet-suggestion, it sounds like you're a bit more optimistic about a set of Flyers rules than kits, BrassScorpion. I'll bet you a Land Raider kit that the rules come out by the end of August. Whaddaya say?
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Post by: MasterSlowPoke
BrassScorpion wrote:This thread reminds me of when a "psychic" gets one prediction right out of hundreds by pure chance and all the believers proclaim them "authentic". So far every rumor about this has turned out to be blatantly untrue, but when some version or part of this whole idea finally does happen there will be people that will conveniently forget all the false rumors they proclaimed as being for certain and then claim they were correct all along.
That seems to be Stickmonkey's MO.
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Post by: evilsponge
I get all my rumors on upcoming releases from my ouija board.
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Post by: HoverBoy
evilsponge wrote:I get all my rumors on upcoming releases from my ouija board.
OMG its stickmonkey in disguise!!!!
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Post by: Kroothawk
Just to keep this thread updated, here some quotes from another thread:
The Decapitator wrote:Whilst @ Warhammer World, GW's Head Office in Lenton, Nottingham yesterday I managed to get a brief look at the upcoming May issue of White Dwarf. I didn't get to look for a long time however, so the information is pretty sporadic and somethings are already known to us or just go without saying. It's also limited to what I can remember, as I couldn't exactly sit down and take notes, although I do have a couple of very interesting tidbits that are very interesting.
(...)
Finally, and to me the best and most interesting part of the fleeting glimpse I got of the latest issue, was when I turned to the inside of the back page (which I will admit was the first thing I did! ) The artwork is of either a Razorwing Jetfighter or a Voidraven Bomber, however it looks more like the Voidraven in my opinion. And the text reads "Next Month - Wartorn Skies! The Dark Eldar descend from the Skies in a raid on Realspace!" Im pretty sure there words were to that effect, if not then they are pretty close.
So that's everything I can remember, I hope that's of interest to the Dakka community. The 'Next Month' part confirming Wartorn Skies is very interesting, whether it's referring to the possible Summer of Flyers expansion and confirming the name, or whether it's just a teaser for the upcoming DE releases on the 10th and the 24th June is anyones guess. Although I would be surprised if they advertised Summer of Flyers with just DE artwork and a DE release, even if it is a Flyer. However I guess it does confirm 1 thing, the upcoming DE waves will contain either a Voidraven or a Razorwing, possibly both! Stranger things have happened!
Picture posted by Corrode:
ATM we can't be sure that this is the rumoured "Wartorn Skies" WD supplement, but it could be.
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Post by: Sarigar
Seems like it is just a Dark Eldar skimmer release for June if you just look at the advertisement at face value.
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Post by: Alpharius
This thread still isn't dead - amazing!
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Post by: Kroothawk
I still hope it is dead on
But this announcement could still be just 2nd wave Dark Eldar (which is confirmed for June), even if announcing Wracks, Grotesques and a Chronos Walker as "Murderous Skies" seems a bit weird!
At least I get a flyer/skimmer for my army and am happy (esp. when I compare it with the new Space marine flyer, the Storm Raven )
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Post by: Padre
Thank you for all the work you're putting into this Kroothawk...keep it up!
Padre^.
PS Personally love flyers...am watching with interest...
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Post by: Alpharius
I too hope it is the rumored Flyers expansion, whatever it ends up being called.
This looks like it might just be the Dark Eldar 'next wave' too though...!
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Post by: ChrisWWII
It seems weird to call it 'Murderous Skies' if it's just Wave 2 Dark Eldar...unless it's just the Dark Eldar flyers. Hell, at this point I'd be happy with just some flyers rules. I'm still longing for my plastic Hydras and Thunderbolts, but I can live.
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Post by: Alpharius
"Murderous Skies" says more like a Dark Eldar thing than a "Summer of Flyers for Everyone" thing!
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Post by: ChrisWWII
Yeah, it sounds like the only models being released will be Dark Eldar ones...but we still may get flyer RULES though!
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Post by: Mar
The Dark Eldar encounters 'tend' to be real space raids or in other words 'attacks from the sky/ web way entry' thats what I get from the codex anyways. also they could just name it murderous skies because the highlight of this Dark Eldar wave would be the Razorwing/Voidraven. All in all I really get a Dark Eldar wave vibe from this rather then flyer expansion vibe.
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Post by: redeyed
Would love to see Flyer rules to, even if its just a WD article (itd mean I would actually be inclined to buy it to lol)
Voidraven, isnt that a normal Eldar thing to or am I getting mixed up?
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Post by: MasterSlowPoke
June is a Dark Eldar wave release. Nothing more. We got an Incoming article about it months ago. There is literally no reason to think that ad refers to anything else.
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Post by: Kroothawk
The incoming article only covers the first week release, there often is a silent third week release.
In this case, the Dark Eldar release could be big enough to cover both weeks though.
But announcing Wracks, Grotesques and a Chronos walker as "Murderous Skies" is a bit weird.
We will see.
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Post by: Ouze
I greatly enjoy these threads, even if they don't turn out to be true, because speculation is delicious. Thanks, Kroothawk, for compiling them.
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Post by: angelshade00
No Necron release? Again? Figures...
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Post by: Kroothawk
The last four Codices had a flyer entry (Harpy, Razorwing/Voidraven, Storm Raven), actually all Codices since 2009 except Space Wolves, maybe a trend, maybe not
And someone claimed to have seen models in the works for all armies.
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Post by: Ascalam
None of these are flyers, they are either skimmers or winged (moves as jump infantry) semantics, i know... I'll go slap myself now
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Post by: ChrisWWII
Don't forget the Valk and Vendetta.
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Post by: MadCowCrazy
Ascalam wrote:None of these are flyers, they are either skimmers or winged (moves as jump infantry) semantics, i know... I'll go slap myself now
That's only because there is no fliers entry in the 5ed rulebook. I'm betting my entire GK collection that in 6ed there will be a new unit type called Flier. If it will be the same as in Apocalypse who knows, some changes will have to be made to facilitate normal gameplay.
Btw, I've sold/selling my entire GK collection after reading the GK codex and it's gakky rules. I only liked the Inquisitorial part of it and they ruined that for me since special characters arn't allowed at our local club (which is getting shut down as well) so no point in my collecting GKs. Might be selling off all my armies if we can't get a new club location.
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Post by: MasterSlowPoke
Kroothawk wrote:The incoming article only covers the first week release, there often is a silent third week release.
In this case, the Dark Eldar release could be big enough to cover both weeks though.
But announcing Wracks, Grotesques and a Chronos walker as "Murderous Skies" is a bit weird.
We will see.
I'd say an expansion and multiple large plastic kits for multiple armies would not be done as a quiet release. Has one ever? Battle Missions and Spearhead both got tons of press. They're not just going to sneak in your beloved Summer of Flyers.
If it exists, then it's coming August or later.
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Post by: Corrode
Kroothawk wrote:The incoming article only covers the first week release, there often is a silent third week release.
In this case, the Dark Eldar release could be big enough to cover both weeks though.
But announcing Wracks, Grotesques and a Chronos walker as "Murderous Skies" is a bit weird.
We will see.
That's because only one of those things is in this release. Frgt/10 confirmed the following:
Talos/Cronos
Scourges
Venom
Razorwing*
Voidraven*
All of the above in plastic, although I think he later said they'd pushed the Voidraven back as they'd had trouble with it. It's easy to see why a Razorwing, Scourges and Venom would be 'Murderous Skies.' He also suggested that Wracks, Grotesques and the Court of the Archon had been done in metal and then cancelled with this rumoured resin/metal switchover though I'm going off memory there and can't verify since Warseer is down.
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Post by: Monk1junk1
a few weeks ago, i would have been estatic about a Hydra kit. now, i'm not. I had an AWESOME IDEA! a little while ago. i'm going to buy two tauros venators from forgeworld and stick four autocannons on them. poroblem solved in a stylish way
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Post by: BrookM
You mean the autocannon arrays that come with the planet strike terrain?
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Post by: Kroothawk
Corrode wrote:Kroothawk wrote:The incoming article only covers the first week release, there often is a silent third week release.
In this case, the Dark Eldar release could be big enough to cover both weeks though.
But announcing Wracks, Grotesques and a Chronos walker as "Murderous Skies" is a bit weird.
We will see.
That's because only one of those things is in this release. Frgt/10 confirmed the following:
Talos/Cronos
Scourges
Venom
Razorwing*
Voidraven*
All of the above in plastic, although I think he later said they'd pushed the Voidraven back as they'd had trouble with it. It's easy to see why a Razorwing, Scourges and Venom would be 'Murderous Skies.' He also suggested that Wracks, Grotesques and the Court of the Archon had been done in metal and then cancelled with this rumoured resin/metal switchover though I'm going off memory there and can't verify since Warseer is down.
I still assume that there will be a metal/whatever release for Dark Eldar, and that it will include wracks and Grotesques and the retinue.
AFAIK the first whatever miniatures will be released in July for the magic expansion.
But we will see.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Kroothawk wrote:But announcing Wracks, Grotesques and a Chronos walker as "Murderous Skies" is a bit weird.
We will see.
The Chronos is as much a flyer as the Razorwing is. Just sayin'
As far as metal Wracks and Grotesques... if Tomb Kings were getting any metals they'd have been announced by now, right?
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Post by: Hokiecow
Corrode wrote:
That's because only one of those things is in this release. Frgt/10 confirmed the following:
....
He also suggested that Wracks, Grotesques and the Court of the Archon had been done in metal and then cancelled with this rumoured resin/metal switchover though I'm going off memory there and can't verify since Warseer is down.
The other models are coming out at the end of summer; confirmed by another rumor monger...(can't remember his name)
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Post by: Kroothawk
lord_blackfang wrote:The Chronos is as much a flyer as the Razorwing is. Just sayin'
According to rules, both Talos and Chronos are non-flying, non-skimming monstrous creatures, although according to background text the Talos is mostly skimming and the Chronos seems to be mostly a walker (insekt like). BTW ever seen an aircraft "move through cover"?
And I think, we will get metal blisters for Tomb Kings with 2 weeks preorder announcement, the ones featured in the army book (characters and possibly Ushabti).
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Post by: megamarines
Woo!
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Post by: redeyed
looking @ that
I would say its just Dark Eldar vehicles getting released sadly rather than "summer of flyers" :(
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Post by: Monk1junk1
BrookM wrote:You mean the autocannon arrays that come with the planet strike terrain?
I was going to use them, but i found that they were going to be to big and make it top heavy so i'll use something smaller, along the lines of sentinel autocannons ar stubbers.
back ontopic, i wonder what the kits will look like? i hope GW didn't mess them up to bad :S
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Thanks for the pic. Clearly "Murderous Skies" is NOT "Wartorn Skies" and the advert clearly refers to the Dark Eldar releases in June which GW already announced in teasers several weeks ago. Finally, here's an ad that hints possibly about at least some of the specific models included in that release. Perhaps conversation on that White Dwarf ad should be in the Dark Eldar thread from this point forward.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Kroothawk wrote:Picture posted by Corrode:
ATM we can't be sure that this is the rumoured "Wartorn Skies" WD supplement, but it could be.
BrassScorpion wrote:Thanks for the pic. Clearly "Murderous Skies" is NOT "Wartorn Skies" and the advert clearly refers to the Dark Eldar releases in June which GW already announced in teasers several weeks ago.
You're welcome
And certainly "Murderous Skies" is a hint on ground troops being released
Just in case it has to do with things in the sky, I posted it here
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Post by: Kroothawk
Taken from the Necron thread:
ghost21 wrote:i had heard the fliers thing was due as a wd release with a few flyers here n there ,
but honestly ive only seen very early prototypes of a figter bommer , thunderblot n harpy (and tbh the version of the harpy i saw was goddamn but ugly)
i dont see how they will slot in unless its jully thats the only time i can see it
i can do some digging n report back
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Post by: penek
From new pic of DE flyer it looks like it will be different kits (according to their images in fluff, vr and rw pretty different)
ps. oh snap just found its scratchbuild.
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Post by: creeping-deth87
Wait, so.... is there NO summer of fliers now???? I was REALLY banking on a plastic Hydra kit.
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Post by: zanzibarthefirst
There should be another Incoming arriving in a couple of weeks which might say Wartorn skies is due in August. I think ghost21 has already suggested its still on its way as a WD article... We shall wait and see
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Post by: Farmer
Am i the only one thinking why would GW do all these releases in one go and not just spread them out?
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Post by: BrassScorpion
You gotta marvel at the endless optimism and undying hope which constantly springs eternal in this thread.
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Post by: Iamjack42
BrassScorpion wrote:You gotta marvel at the endless optimism and undying hope which constantly springs eternal in this thread.
"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment."
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Post by: BrassScorpion
You know, I was originally going to just post that same quote.
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Post by: 40,000 Reasons Why
I get the feeling that GW's market research budget allows them to pay one flunky to start rumors on various free forums, then track the comments and report back to GW HQ on what would be popular.
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Post by: redeyed
does that guy usually not bother though. I bet he just writes in his email reports "THEY WANT MOAR SPACE MARINES!!!"
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Post by: zanzibarthefirst
40,000 Reasons Why wrote:I get the feeling that GW's market research budget allows them to pay one flunky to start rumors on various free forums, then track the comments and report back to GW HQ on what would be popular.
If that was the case, we would have our rending ponies and thunderhawks
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Post by: Vaktathi
creeping-deth87 wrote:Wait, so.... is there NO summer of fliers now???? I was REALLY banking on a plastic Hydra kit.
Likewise... 
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Post by: ChrisWWII
I should buy a Fluttershy toy to use as a rending pony.
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Post by: Praxiss
Everyone looking for a plastic Hydra kit....
Coudln't you mount the gun turret from the bastion kit on a Chimera and get the same result?
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Post by: Therion
Praxiss wrote:Everyone looking for a plastic Hydra kit....
Coudln't you mount the gun turret from the bastion kit on a Chimera and get the same result?
Don't mount them on a Chimera, mount them on a Manticore for a much better result. It has the correct turret afterall, just the wrong weapon system.
This guy didn't do a perfect job either, but you get the idea. I would mount the guns vertically on the sides of the turret, instead of somewhat horizontally as this guy's done.
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Post by: Praxiss
That looks good! I bet if you're doing that you could make the Eagle rockets and the hydra guns interchangable as well.
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Post by: ChrisWWII
Great, now I'm going to have to buy more Manticore launcher pieces, because that is one sick looking Hydra conversion. I want one.
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Post by: Death By Monkeys
Wow, Therion! That is a brilliant conversion. And I imagine Praxiss is right - you could totally use some magnets to make it hot-swappable with the rockets.
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Post by: Brother SRM
40,000 Reasons Why wrote:I get the feeling that GW's market research budget allows them to pay one flunky to start rumors on various free forums, then track the comments and report back to GW HQ on what would be popular.
If that were the case then "What the people want" would come out about 3 years down the road. It takes a long time to get this stuff out; a lot of the Dark Eldar concept art says "2007" at the bottom of it. Also, if GW catered to every whim we'd have titmarines, and that's literally the worst thing.
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Post by: Savnock
BrassScorpion: I call you out on that bet, again. Flyer rules by end of August. One $35 boxed set. What do you say?
EDIT: That's a _friendly_ bet, btw! It just seems more fun to raise the stakes between the optimistic believers (like me) and the more vociferous naysayers (like yourself).
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Post by: wyomingfox
Brother SRM wrote:Also, if GW catered to every whim we'd have titmarines, and that's literally the worst thing.
You mean they don't have those already 
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Post by: Kroothawk
Small update by ghost21 on Warseer:
I've heard all races getting a flyer whether in their books or separately
He also dismissed plastic Hydras being close.
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Post by: ceorron
That sounds more believable, kroothawk.
My only question, being an ork player is, isn't the ork Warkopter the ork flyer?
IDK but a fighterbomber just seems too apocalypse to me to be included in 40k.
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Post by: Brother SRM
ceorron wrote:That sounds more believable, kroothawk.
My only question, being an ork player is, isn't the ork Warkopter the ork flyer?
IDK but a fighterbomber just seems too apocalypse to me to be included in 40k.
The Fighta-bomma is about the same size as a Valkyrie from what I can tell.
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Post by: HoverBoy
Kroothawk wrote:He also dismissed plastic Hydras being close.
So GW really are marketing morons then.
I mean they made the rules fior that unit so good and now they don't sell a model for it. Not everyone is a converter you know.
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Post by: ceorron
Brother SRM wrote:
The Fighta-bomma is about the same size as a Valkyrie from what I can tell.
If you have a good look at the forgeworld one they are bigger.
Maybe it will simply be the ork fighter, with maybe a bomb option, that would be smaller.
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Post by: Lord Scythican
ceorron wrote:Brother SRM wrote:
The Fighta-bomma is about the same size as a Valkyrie from what I can tell.
If you have a good look at the forgeworld one they are bigger.
Maybe it will simply be the ork fighter, with maybe a bomb option, that would be smaller.
I thought the fighta bomma only had a few extra pieces on it compare to the Valkyrie? I know there are some bits about two inches wide that go on the wing tips and there is a different tail. But it is still a lot smaller than the Valkyrie.
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Post by: Mike Noble
As much as I'd like to see an Ork flyer (Looted Valkyrie ftw) I have to say, it seems odd that GW would release a model without any rules.
I guess there's always Apocalypse.
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Post by: Alpharius
Non-transport flyers in 40K are a bit silly.
Actually, even transport capable flyers in 40K are silly.
Apocalypse?
Sure!
40K?
Ack!
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Post by: ceorron
Alpharius wrote:Non-transport flyers in 40K are a bit silly.
Actually, even transport capable flyers in 40K are silly.
Apocalypse?
Sure!
40K?
Ack!
Agreed but the DE getting (at least) one next month and SM and IG already have one each, seems likely that the slow trickel of apoc to 40k continues.
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Post by: wyomingfox
Alpharius wrote:Non-transport flyers in 40K are a bit silly.
Actually, even transport capable flyers in 40K are silly.
I would tend to agree. But the Harpy is currently a mediocre unit (and even that is arguable in many circles). Plus, GW is likely to make it comically huge, reducing its tactical ability even further. Therefore, granting it the "Flyer" rule may be its only saving grace when 6th edition comes around next summer (assuming that Flyers are introduced in 6th edition and that the rules are even similar to Apoc).
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Post by: Kroothawk
HoverBoy wrote:So GW really are marketing morons then.
Tell me something I don't know
BTW I play Tyranids: Where is the must have unit Tervigon?
Concerning flyers as well, there are rumours from all sides that GW works for flyers for all armies (with every army since January 2009 except Space Wolves getting a potential flyer). Even rumours for flyer rules in 6th edition. So flyers might make sense then ... or not
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Post by: bhsman
wyomingfox wrote:Brother SRM wrote:Also, if GW catered to every whim we'd have titmarines, and that's literally the worst thing.
You mean they don't have those already
I'd make a joke here about how you'd know those were men if you'd work out more...
...but I just did! 
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Post by: wyomingfox
Curse you but that burns
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Post by: MajorTom11
SNAP!
You just got TOLD lol!
Btw, slightly OT but still relevant, are we entirely sure that 6th will come out next summer? I have seen that chucked around a lot lately, but what makes you so sure?
From what I can tell, there are still at least 8 codexes to go (Tau, Eldar, Chaos, Daemons, BT, DA, Necrons, Sisters), and although I know they usually leave 4 or 5 out per edition, that is still quite a bit. Also, their new wave release model could logically extend an addition by providing tentpole releases more frequently to sustain sales?
Just wonderin...
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Post by: AlexHolker
MajorTom11 wrote:Btw, slightly OT but still relevant, are we entirely sure that 6th will come out next summer? I have seen that chucked around a lot lately, but what makes you so sure?
I believe the primary source is Blood of Kittens and their "No SM, no IG, no xenos" rumour.
From what I can tell, there are still at least 8 codexes to go (Tau, Eldar, Chaos, Daemons, BT, DA, Necrons, Sisters), and although I know they usually leave 4 or 5 out per edition, that is still quite a bit. Also, their new wave release model could logically extend an addition by providing tentpole releases more frequently to sustain sales?
I'd call that 5: CSM and Daemons really need to be reintegrated into a single good codex, and BT and DA don't need a 5th edition codex, even if GW insists on continuing their current SM codex policy.
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Post by: ceorron
I have also been thinking about the edition update. I really doubt it is required as early, 40k is boyant at the moment. It really really doesn't need an update. I'd say it would likely damage the hobby by releasing a new one right now.
We really need to just keep updating the ranges. This widens the span of the hobby, i'd say. Apealling to more people through the varied armies on offer.
If I had to have a guess at who they were leaving out/keep in this edition i'd have to go with Eldar, Chaos, Necrons, Sisters for the update. That would be before GW goes for a new edition.
Thats really based on who really needs a new codex (chaos, necrons and sisters) and those that are popular armies (chaos and eldar).
Though those really are guesses.
That might leave BT or DA for the poster boys for the new edition of 40k against maybe Tau in the box? Maybe/maybe not.
Hopefully this is way too early to tell.
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Post by: MadCowCrazy
If you think about it isn't fliers one of the few areas without models so far?
Every Fantasy army and many 40k armies are getting MCs and Fliers, what else is there for GW to give us?
Lets say they had not given us the Valkyrie, Stormraven or the DE fliers. What would they have given us instead?
Would IG have received a super ogryn MC?
Aren't fliers the only reasonable choice left? If they wouldn't give us fliers what would they give us? MCs is the second option that remains but it doesn't make much sense for IG or SM based armies (yet the GKs still received one, should it have been a walker? I'm sure the only reason it's a MC is because if it was a walker MCs would simply annihilate it in CC since walkers suck vs MCs).
What's left? New patterns of the Rhino chassi and LR chassi? A new chimera chassi unit for IG? or another Leman Russ based one?
What's left after fliers? Seabased warfare? Battleships in 40k? 28mm scale BFG? With 300£ models?
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Post by: Kirika
imo they should make a flier supplement that integrates into the main rules for 6th edition. Don't see too many people playing any planetstrike or spear head.
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Post by: bhsman
wyomingfox wrote:Curse you but that burns
It's how I roll 
I wouldn't be surprised to see flyers get an expansion eventually, but it doesn't look to be in the cards this year.
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Post by: AlexHolker
MadCowCrazy wrote:If you think about it isn't fliers one of the few areas without models so far?
Every Fantasy army and many 40k armies are getting MCs and Fliers, what else is there for GW to give us?
Plastic troops. Between metal units like Aspect Warriors and ugly units like the new Empire State Troops, there's plenty of room to improve the foundations before you start worrying about the window dressing.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
I've heard all races getting a flyer whether in their books or separately
Now we're back to the original Summer Of Fliers rumor from back in December or so that nearly every army would get a new flier model. Amazing. BoLS ran the same thing earlier today. So the latest rumor is also a rehash of the oldest rumor, the one that was pervasive six months ago about the coming summer of 2011. Since then, that rumor has alternately died and been heavily modified. We've been from "everyone gets a flier" to "just the fliers in the Codex books are coming" and back again. For weeks now the modified and greatly reduced version of the supposed "Summer of Fliers" has been that only Codex fliers that don't have models yet would get them, other fliers that come from Forge World would be included in the new rules set but not get new plastic polystyrene models. Now suddenly the original "everyone gets a flier" rumor from last winter is all the rage again. At this point it's less about excitement over new models and more about curiosity for me to see what part of this if any of it comes true. This rumor has changed so much so many times at this point I don't see any reason to get excited about it till something worth getting excited about is CONFIRMED by GW.
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Post by: LavuranGuard
MajorTom11 wrote:SNAP!
You just got TOLD lol!
Btw, slightly OT but still relevant, are we entirely sure that 6th will come out next summer? I have seen that chucked around a lot lately, but what makes you so sure?
From what I can tell, there are still at least 8 codexes to go (Tau, Eldar, Chaos, Daemons, BT, DA, Necrons, Sisters), and although I know they usually leave 4 or 5 out per edition, that is still quite a bit. Also, their new wave release model could logically extend an addition by providing tentpole releases more frequently to sustain sales?
Just wonderin...
Assuming 6th is out in July 2012, that's enough time to get out Necrons, Sisters and Tau before then, and fits with other rumours we've heard. If you then assume other rumours are true and 6th comes with BT and CSM, and will presumably get a codex at the same time then that only leaves Daemons, Eldar and DA waiting, which is more believable I think - however that's a lot of assumptions so will probably be totally wrong!
Meanwhile, back to flyers, and back to the Orks ... a version of the "Chinork" would fit with the other 40k flyers in that it's got weapons and transport capacity, and already has rules from FW - so less development time. Releasing this would get me collecting Orks pronto as I'd do an "Orkpocalypse Now" army with Chinorks and Deffkoptas.
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Post by: Kroothawk
BrassScorpion wrote: Now we're back to the original Summer Of Fliers rumor from back in December or so that nearly every army would get a new flier model. Amazing. BoLS ran the same thing earlier today.
Actually, no. You mix up two rumours.
One says we get a WD expansion called Murderous Skies with some flyers and rules for more.
Another one by several rumour posters says that flyers for all fractions are in the works and will eventually be released, not necessarily in one month or even this year.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Actually, no. You mix up two rumours.
I've done nothing of the sort, I'm just summarizing the goofiness I keep seeing here. I am well aware of what the rumors are. If people are back to saying every army is going to get a flier, that's a rehash of the original summer of fliers rumor, regardless of when they are supposedly coming. Though you still have people here and elsewhere insisting this will somehow materialize after the DE Murderous Skies this year. In other words, no one really knows, the poop is flying, and everyone is prevaricating to ensure they don't look bad if and when they turn out to be incorrect. As for me, I only insist I know something when I actually do. This is not one of those instances. And with that, I'm unsubscribed again for at least a while.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Well, the poster of the rumours doesn't think you summarized them correctly.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Someone has an inflated view of his contributions methinks. There's a lot more in this thread than one person's usual attention seeking by spending all day getting everything they can from other forums and then regurgitating it here. http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2011/05/40kwfb-rumors-summer-rumor-omnibus.html Warhammer 40k
Remember that Murderous Skies release mentioned in this month's White Dwarf? Latest chatter is that it is not only a Dark Eldar release as people are starting to think. The Dark Kin will be getting all of the earlier mentioned items but almost every race in 40k will also be getting a flyer model. Word on the street says that the Ork flyer has been pushed back though it will still be released soon enough.
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Post by: MadCowCrazy
AlexHolker wrote:MadCowCrazy wrote:If you think about it isn't fliers one of the few areas without models so far?
Every Fantasy army and many 40k armies are getting MCs and Fliers, what else is there for GW to give us?
Plastic troops. Between metal units like Aspect Warriors and ugly units like the new Empire State Troops, there's plenty of room to improve the foundations before you start worrying about the window dressing.
But GW dont make money turning metal kits into plastic, they make money from getting new units on the market and giving them codex rules that make them far superior to anything else in the same slot, Valk and Trygon anyone?
I'm sure they have such a slow release schedule as they do simply to drag out on their product range for as long as they can, where will we be in 20 years? Will GW be reduced to selling 3d models for your home 3D printer? Will it all be online? on top of a huge ipad thing?
If GW turned every single metal kit into plastic the only ones who would be happy are the gamers but that's not what GW focus is on, their focus is pleasing their stock owners.
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Post by: Kroothawk
I talked about the rumours I posted: ghost21 speaks of all races getting a flyer EVENTUALLY.
BoLS is not a trusted rumour poster. It might be right, it could be wrong, we will see.
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Post by: MajorTom11
BrassScorpion wrote:Someone has an inflated view of his contributions methinks. There's a lot more in this thread than one person's usual attention seeking by spending all day getting everything they can from other forums and then regurgitating it here.
That's a more than a little rude Brass. Some of us really appreciate his efforts, and frankly he has never come off as attention seeking to me at least. In any case, just because he disagreed with you doesn't mean you had to go there.
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Post by: TyraelVladinhurst
MadCowCrazy wrote: Will it all be online? on top of a huge ipad thing?
GW doesn't believe in the internet, they see it as a "passing phase that will eventually disappear"
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Post by: Leggy
Kroothawk wrote:I talked about the rumours I posted: ghost21 speaks of all races getting a flyer EVENTUALLY.
BoLS is not a trusted rumour poster. It might be right, it could be wrong, we will see.
At what point did Ghost21 become a trusted poster? He's still very very new AFAIK. I'm not tracking the rumourmongers like I used to, but from what I've seen so far he's another Stickmonkey. High volume of chatter, but as of yet very little confirmed.
BoLS does a very similar job to yourself. They gather up the chatter from their own forums (usually cut&pasted from other places) and summarize it on their site for the convenience of others. They're very rarely the OP.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Accusing Kroothawk of being an attention seeker is fairly off-base. It's a service to the rest of us TBH, and I think most of us would prefer that he keeps in doing it.
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Post by: Praxiss
A couple of peopel have said that flyers without transport capacity woudl not be good.
What about CSM? The only flyers i am aware of for them are the Hellblade and Helltalon, neither of which trasnport. Coudl this be the opening for the fabled Dreadclaw plastic kit?!?!?!?!
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Post by: BrookM
The Dreadclaw is a drop pod variant though.
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Post by: Praxiss
I thought was a weird sort of 'pod/flyer hybrid. It could land adn then take off and fly around again couldn't it? I am going off the Forgeworl Renegade rules so they might be out of date.
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Post by: BrookM
From what I recall it was a drop pod that doubled as a boarding pod, but I could be wrong, as I'm relying on really, really old fluff here.
But I doubt they'd use that model, aside from a feth-ton of skulls everywhere it lacks guns.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
They are flyers though. They can take off again. It's very weird.
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Post by: Monk1junk1
MadCowCrazy wrote:
What's left? New patterns of the Rhino chassi and LR chassi? A new chimera chassi unit for IG? or another Leman Russ based one?
What's left after fliers? Seabased warfare? Battleships in 40k? 28mm scale BFG? With 300£ models?
Well, by the time every army has a flying transport, it can be assumed that GW will move on to more flying vehicles: fighters, bombers, more transports. By the time they're done with that, it can also be assumed tue infantry will need redoing, then the walkers and then the tanks.
It all works out for GW, slowly introduce more game elements to keep your audience entertained while also redoing old models. Looks like they've got thier plates full for now.
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Post by: Padre
MajorTom11 wrote:BrassScorpion wrote:Someone has an inflated view of his contributions methinks. There's a lot more in this thread than one person's usual attention seeking by spending all day getting everything they can from other forums and then regurgitating it here.
That's a more than a little rude Brass. Some of us really appreciate his efforts, and frankly he has never come off as attention seeking to me at least. In any case, just because he disagreed with you doesn't mean you had to go there.
What happened there?
Straight from "minor disagreement" to "personal attack"...I think that shot at Kroot was a bit uncalled for.
Padre^.
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Post by: Apostle Pat
H.B.M.C. wrote:Accusing Kroothawk of being an attention seeker is fairly off-base. It's a service to the rest of us TBH, and I think most of us would prefer that he keeps in doing it.
agreed! 
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Post by: MadCowCrazy
Leggy wrote:At what point did Ghost21 become a trusted poster? He's still very very new AFAIK.
He's not, he just so happens to be one of the few people posting new rumours regularly and the more trusted rumour mongers like Harry for instance has indicated that what he is posting could be true. As for now he has 0 credibility as nothing he has posted yet has come true (since it hasn't been released yet) but once we see the codex and if it proves that allot of his rumours are accurate then I will place allot more faith in him. As for the fliers I read a rumour some months ago that only 3 fliers would be introduced first wave, I think it was IG, SM and Ork. The rest would be introduced together with codex updates. Then again this is a very old rumour that started when it was said a few of the fliers were put on hold because there were problems with the models. Apostle Pat wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:Accusing Kroothawk of being an attention seeker is fairly off-base. It's a service to the rest of us TBH, and I think most of us would prefer that he keeps in doing it.
agreed!
Exactly, it's our job to go out and find rumours and then bring them back to our lair. If we dont go out and look for rumours or talk to people who post rumours then there wouldn't be much to report on. We would basically have to wait weeks for something new to pop up and allot of the stuff out there would simply be missed. I spend allot of time searching many forums, blogs etc for rumours each day. Kroothawk and me provide a service, free of charge too , and allot of people like what we do. If we did not do it you would have to visit the many forums and blogs out there and then try to puzzle it all together yourself. I started my compilation threads over at Heresy simply because I was tired of not having everything in one place, I'm sure Kroothawk has similar reasons.
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Post by: TyraelVladinhurst
BrookM wrote:The Dreadclaw is a drop pod variant though.
the drop pod is a simplified Dreadclaw actually when they began malfunctioning during the heresy many loyalist captains ditched them in the warp
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Post by: Praxiss
Wow, this thread has really taken a turn.
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Post by: Kanluwen
That's a very simplistic explanation of the Dreadclaw v. Drop Pod issue.
The Dreadclaw was meant to be a multi-role assault boat which is evidenced in the fact that its disembarking point is ringed with 'meltaguns' to burn through an opposing ship's hull and establish a tight seal for Astartes to come through.
At the same time, it can be used as a drop pod that can self-recover since it can take back off after impact.
The reason they were 'ditched' by all acounts, however, isn't that "they malfunctioned". The Loyalists felt that the machine-spirit within was corrupted and was what was causing the malfunctions.
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Post by: Just Dave
Btw, Yak's new Necron rumours suggest 2(?) flyers for the 'crons, so there may be further support for the whole Wartorn skies shibbang...
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Post by: Kroothawk
Just to keep this thread updated:
Here the pic of the new Dark Eldar Razorwing to be released in June:
Either it IS already a double kit or you can easily transform this to an Eldar flyer by just filling the small dents in the wings.
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Post by: DarthSpader
where did this pic come from? if its acurate it looks kick butt!
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Post by: Kroothawk
Just look at the Dark Eldar preview thread. Taken from a GW facebook page, first reposted on Warseer..
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Post by: DarthSpader
im gonna be SOOOOO broke this summer.
probally cause ill be spending all my monies on new DE...then my wife will divorce me cause i spended all the monies, and take half my models so ill have to use whatever i have left to buy moar modelz.
oy.
i wonder if they painkillers for bank accounts?
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Post by: warspawned
Don't know if it's on here already but I just found this link in Beasts of War:
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/226376_129464840463384_108119429264592_203828_348148_n.jpg
Mmmmm
Don't know if it's on here already
Oh it is
Nevermind...
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Post by: Kroothawk
Well, at least we now know that you don't have a look at the threads you post in
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Post by: warspawned
Well, at least we now know that you don't have a look at the threads you post in
It wasn't there before I posted, I swear 
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Post by: LavuranGuard
it's a sweet looking model!
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Post by: MajorTom11
I really think it is a double kit. Honestly, a diff paintjob, weapon swap to CW and there is nothing screaming at me that it isnt CW or DE specific. Hell, there are even gemstones all over it, they just happen to be painted the same color as the hull!
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Post by: Kroothawk
Gemstones is a good point!
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Post by: Sasori
Kroothawk wrote:Gemstones is a good point!
It also looks like the EML on the left picture under the wing as well.
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Post by: LavuranGuard
Gemstones is no clue at all, the Raider/Ravager has loads on the sail and gun rack as do the Helion's boards. That said I still think that there will be an Eldar version, maybe not in the same kit, but another box with a different wing sprue with new weapons etc.
I spotted the EML, too, maybe that's on the common sprue?
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Post by: ph34r
Therion wrote:Don't mount them on a Chimera, mount them on a Manticore for a much better result. It has the correct turret afterall, just the wrong weapon system.
This guy didn't do a perfect job either, but you get the idea. I would mount the guns vertically on the sides of the turret, instead of somewhat horizontally as this guy's done.
Not really. No anti-air vehicle would ever have a weapon that could not rotate on the xy plane.
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Post by: kevlar'o
razorwing is awesome!!!!!
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