Sasa0mg wrote:she gets an extra d6 to armor pen?

I missed that...
Seems a bit unfair really...

AtoMaki wrote:

felixander wrote:
..... Charge out of Marbo style deployment with 7 attacks of WS8 S6 I9 power weapons that insta kill and roll 2d6 for armour pen? For 165?!!?!?!?

With T3 and a 3+ invu, nearly anything that comes in numbers can butcher her rather easily. Azure is best used against big targets... But you know what? She pops in, kills her target and then dies from enemy shooting. Other characters that do something similar usually cost around 140 points, and either considered overpriced and trash (The Decapitator) or gives something nasty over their attack capabilities (Deathleaper). +25 points seems reasonable for me for the extra kick she can deliever, and you must also paid extra points for the required models to bring her.

The difference is that she has Hit and Run and can deploy whereever she likes. So she can simply decide not to charge horde units, hit and run out and then go back into reserve without being shot at. And when you start defending 3+ invuln as a "weakness" clearly you aren't thinking clearly haha butane I'll agree that T3 is weak, but most Eldar, DE, and IG characters get along ok. And later you said your enemies didn't mind her because they were too worried about everything else, which just means your Fandex is underpriced and over powered

felixander wrote:The difference is that she has Hit and Run and can deploy whereever she likes. So she can simply decide not to charge horde units, hit and run out and then go back into reserve without being shot at.

You can't go back into reserve in the enemy's turn.

felixander wrote:And when you start defending 3+ invuln as a "weakness" clearly you aren't thinking clearly haha butane I'll agree that T3 is weak, but most Eldar, DE, and IG characters get along ok.

I'll give you a cookie if you find out where your thinking fails (a little help: characters).

AtoMaki wrote:

felixander wrote:The difference is that she has Hit and Run and can deploy whereever she likes. So she can simply decide not to charge horde units, hit and run out and then go back into reserve without being shot at.

You can't go back into reserve in the enemy's turn.

felixander wrote:And when you start defending 3+ invuln as a "weakness" clearly you aren't thinking clearly haha butane I'll agree that T3 is weak, but most Eldar, DE, and IG characters get along ok.

I'll give you a cookie if you find out where your thinking fails (a little help: characters).

Yes but the goal is to get something that takes 2 rounds to kill, if you don't then bounce outta combat and find another target or go into reserve. And your second comment doesn't seem to make much sense. Nevertheless good luck with your characters.

felixander wrote:Yes but the goal is to get something that takes 2 rounds to kill, if you don't then bounce outta combat and find another target or go into reserve. And your second comment doesn't seem to make much sense. Nevertheless good luck with your characters.

Because of her hitting power, she pretty much kills everyting within one round. Thats her whole point. With my second comment, i tried to point out that she isn't an IC, so she cannot hide in a unit for ablative wounds. And thanks, i'm trying !

AtoMaki wrote:

felixander wrote:Yes but the goal is to get something that takes 2 rounds to kill, if you don't then bounce outta combat and find another target or go into reserve. And your second comment doesn't seem to make much sense. Nevertheless good luck with your characters.

Because of her hitting power, she pretty much kills everyting within one round. Thats her whole point. With my second comment, i tried to point out that she isn't an IC, so she cannot hide in a unit for ablative wounds. And thanks, i'm trying !

Well it doesn't help in Melee anyways since she'll be able to be targeted just as easily as an IC. Those extra wounds wont mean jack since an IC can be targeted.

felixander wrote:

AtoMaki wrote:

felixander wrote:Yes but the goal is to get something that takes 2 rounds to kill, if you don't then bounce outta combat and find another target or go into reserve. And your second comment doesn't seem to make much sense. Nevertheless good luck with your characters.

Because of her hitting power, she pretty much kills everyting within one round. Thats her whole point. With my second comment, i tried to point out that she isn't an IC, so she cannot hide in a unit for ablative wounds. And thanks, i'm trying !

Well it doesn't help in Melee anyways since she'll be able to be targeted just as easily as an IC. Those extra wounds wont mean jack since an IC can be targeted.

Is it my imagination, or is this character basically an interesting and nice idea, but had the stats built up wrong? Question is... what would be a more appropriate build?

Go with me on this, a lot of you may not know the character, but for those that do, I believe no fluff is required. Except for...
A rift in the warp pulled out an individual spirit, a warrior born ages ago during an unkown time of man, but upon his extraction unto the 40k Universe,
this warriors...personalities, became truly endeavored with the very powers he had always envisioned them having, and his sanity,
had been left with his life before. In short, any armada may randomly find this enduringly tough individual fighting alongside them for any
random battle, or worse, against them. He is...

Mic Foley (Cue entrance music) ...60pnts May join any army.
Type: Infantry
Force Organization: Mic Foley does not take up a slot on the force organization chart.
WS 4 BS 3 S 3 T 5 W 4 I 3 A 3 Ld 10 Sv --

Wargear: Wrestling Boots, Ring Attire, Random Weapon.
Ring Attire: This Wargear may come in three fasions, each fasion will change the way Mic Foley is used in the game. You must choose and paint him as the one chosen. They will each grant a different unique special rules when wearing one of the following...


Random Weapon: Roll a 1d6 at the start of the game. (Unless Cactus Jack Ring Attired.)

Special Rules: Eternal Warrior, Independant Character, Unique, Truly Fearless, Hardcore Legend, Psychic Powers (If certain Ring Attire has been chosen.)
Hardcore Legend: Mic Foley gets a 4+ FnP roll against all wounds, no matter the strength or AP unless the profile of the weapon targeting him says no saves aloud.
Truly Fearless: Mic Foley never has to take any leadership/morale test, he always counts as having passed. In combat this means he does not suffer wounds when he loses combat, he merely just keeps fighting. This does not apply to his unit or his Psychic tests.
Dude Love Psychic Powers: Roll 1D3 when using this, it may be used only at the beginning of your shooting phase before other shots are made.

Mankinds Psychic Powers: Use no more than one per game turn and always during your turn, but you MUST use one. They count as a shooting attack.

Runna wrote:Go with me on this,

Ok

Spoiler:

a lot of you may not know the character, but for those that do, I believe no fluff is required. Except for...
A rift in the warp pulled out an individual spirit, a warrior born ages ago during an unkown time of man, but upon his extraction unto the 40k Universe,
this warriors...personalities, became truly endeavored with the very powers he had always envisioned them having, and his sanity,
had been left with his life before. In short, any armada may randomly find this enduringly tough individual fighting alongside them for any
random battle, or worse, against them. He is...

Mic Foley (Cue entrance music) ...60pnts May join any army.
Type: Infantry
Force Organization: Mic Foley does not take up a slot on the force organization chart.
WS 4 BS 3 S 3 T 5 W 4 I 3 A 3 Ld 10 Sv --

Wargear: Wrestling Boots, Ring Attire, Random Weapon.
Ring Attire: This Wargear may come in three fasions, each fasion will change the way Mic Foley is used in the game. You must choose and paint him as the one chosen. They will each grant a different unique special rules when wearing one of the following...
[spoiler]Dude Love Ring Attire: Mic Foley is now Dude Love, All friendly units within 6" of Mic Foley are counted as passing any leadership/morale tests. Mic Foley also gains the Dude Love Psychic Powers as listed in his Special Rules. +40pnts
Mankind Ring Attire: Mic Foley is now Mankind. He gains the Regeneration USR and confers a -1 Ld to all enemy units who have Line of Site to him. During your assault phase, if Mic Foley misses one of his attacks (This does not stack) and he is attached to an infantry unit, he will cause a 'savable wound' to one model in his unit. This wound counts at the strength Mic Foley had during his current assault phase. You may choose which model. He also gains Mankinds Psychic Powers as listed in his Special Rules. +55pnts
Cactus Jack Ring Attire: Mic Foley is now Cactus Jack. He gains +1 to his Wounds, Toughness and Weapon Skill. He counts as having Prefered Enemy against any opponent he is in Close Combat with. Any unit he is attached to gains, Furious Charge if they did not already have it. He also gains the Furious Charge USR. His Random Weapon is now ALWAYS a Barb-wired Bat, and he may re-roll failed wounds. +100pnts.

Random Weapon: Roll a 1d6 at the start of the game. (Unless Cactus Jack Ring Attired.)

Spoiler:

1- no weapon. Mic Foley comes with his fists and he thinks it's enough.
2- Kendo Stick. +1 I
3- Trash Can. +1 A
4- Steel Chair. +1D3 St during Combat. Roll at the start of each Combat.
5- Led Pipe. +1 St
6- Barb-Wired Bat. -Wounds on a 4+, does not count as poison.

Special Rules: Eternal Warrior, Independant Character, Unique, Truly Fearless, Hardcore Legend, Psychic Powers (If certain Ring Attire has been chosen.)
Hardcore Legend: Mic Foley gets a 4+ FnP roll against all wounds, no matter the strength or AP unless the profile of the weapon targeting him says no saves aloud.
Truly Fearless: Mic Foley never has to take any leadership/morale test, he always counts as having passed. In combat this means he does not suffer wounds when he loses combat, he merely just keeps fighting. This does not apply to his unit or his Psychic tests.
Dude Love Psychic Powers: Roll 1D3 when using this, it may be used only at the beginning of your shooting phase before other shots are made.

Spoiler:

1 - Spread the Love man. Effects all units within 6" of Mic Foley, including your own. For this players turn and the following players turn, units effected by this cannot shoot or assault or use psychic powers that target enemy models. This includes Mic Foley.
2- Psychidellic. Any enemy unit Mic Foley charges counts as going last in Combat regardless of their own special rules until the end of your turn.
3- Trippin. Mic Foley and his Unit gain Fleet and count as rolling sixes for any movement/run roll they make until the following turn, in addition they all get +1 A.

Mankinds Psychic Powers: Use no more than one per game turn and always during your turn, but you MUST use one. They count as a shooting attack.

Spoiler:

Poetry- All units with 12" of Mic Foley including your own with the exception of Mic Foley, lose the Fearless special rule, (No matter the reason they have it.) They also take all Leadership/Morale tests (Not psychic tests) at LD 6 until your following turn.
Cry of Pain- Mic Foley inflicts one wound upon himself, this is an unsavable wound, and from the wound he lashes out a psychic wave of pain. Any model within a (fire) template arch from your chosen direction off of Mic Foley's base, takes a Leadership Test with a +2 to their roll. Should they fail said leadership test they suffer one unsavable wound. Models with Psychic powers who are within this arch automatically fail this test.
Mrs. Foley's little boy- Foley sits down and is no longer attached to any unit nor can he be until your following turn. If any model would target him during this period, they would suffer a Psychic Wound that can only be saved by a FnP roll. Foley Regenerates a wound on a 5+ during this time. He cannot assault during this time. If he is assaulted he will count as going first and having +3 Attacks. Your units, who have line of site with him, also recieve a -1 to their Ld now. (In short, it's best to just let him sit.)

[/spoiler]

So had to google him and while I dislike WWF style "wrestling" I would agree he's a good character because of the goofiness, though a T6 W5 with unending FnP dude sounds tough.... Does he really have no armor. Ither way, yes he'd be an interesting WWAAAAAGGHHH!!!!! leader or confusing Eldar choice haha

Posted this is another thread a while back, thought I would post it again, one of my favorite home-brewed units I have been working on. It is based on the M18 Hellcat TD the allies used during WWII.

Fast Attack
Warp Lion Tank Destroyer Squadron...115pts



Constructed to provide fast response anti-tank support to the Imperial Guard, it was built using the easily constructed Chimera chassis and salvaged Vanquisher turrets. The engines where heavily modified in the same fashion as on the Hellhound, but the chassis was striped of armor to off set the extra wight of the vanquisher cannon. The tank is a glass cannon in every since of the term, and the crew of these lethal machines have learned to take full advantage of the tank's speed to shoot-and-scoot.

BS Armor F S R
3 10 10 10

Type: Vehicle(Tank, Fast, Open-Topped)
Unit: 1-3 Warp Lion TDs
Wargear: Vanquisher Battle Cannon, Heavy Stubber, Searchlight.
Special Rules: Scout
Options:
Pintle-mounted Heavy Stubbber or Storm Bolter +10pts
HK Missile +10pts
Dozerblade +10pts
Camo Netting +20pts

Er.... how is a tank a character?

felixander wrote:

Runna wrote:Go with me on this,

Ok

Spoiler:

a lot of you may not know the character, but for those that do, I believe no fluff is required. Except for...
A rift in the warp pulled out an individual spirit, a warrior born ages ago during an unkown time of man, but upon his extraction unto the 40k Universe,
this warriors...personalities, became truly endeavored with the very powers he had always envisioned them having, and his sanity,
had been left with his life before. In short, any armada may randomly find this enduringly tough individual fighting alongside them for any
random battle, or worse, against them. He is...

Mic Foley (Cue entrance music) ...60pnts May join any army.
Type: Infantry
Force Organization: Mic Foley does not take up a slot on the force organization chart.
WS 4 BS 3 S 3 T 5 W 4 I 3 A 3 Ld 10 Sv --

Wargear: Wrestling Boots, Ring Attire, Random Weapon.
Ring Attire: This Wargear may come in three fasions, each fasion will change the way Mic Foley is used in the game. You must choose and paint him as the one chosen. They will each grant a different unique special rules when wearing one of the following...
[spoiler]Dude Love Ring Attire: Mic Foley is now Dude Love, All friendly units within 6" of Mic Foley are counted as passing any leadership/morale tests. Mic Foley also gains the Dude Love Psychic Powers as listed in his Special Rules. +40pnts
Mankind Ring Attire: Mic Foley is now Mankind. He gains the Regeneration USR and confers a -1 Ld to all enemy units who have Line of Site to him. During your assault phase, if Mic Foley misses one of his attacks (This does not stack) and he is attached to an infantry unit, he will cause a 'savable wound' to one model in his unit. This wound counts at the strength Mic Foley had during his current assault phase. You may choose which model. He also gains Mankinds Psychic Powers as listed in his Special Rules. +55pnts
Cactus Jack Ring Attire: Mic Foley is now Cactus Jack. He gains +1 to his Wounds, Toughness and Weapon Skill. He counts as having Prefered Enemy against any opponent he is in Close Combat with. Any unit he is attached to gains, Furious Charge if they did not already have it. He also gains the Furious Charge USR. His Random Weapon is now ALWAYS a Barb-wired Bat, and he may re-roll failed wounds. +100pnts.

Random Weapon: Roll a 1d6 at the start of the game. (Unless Cactus Jack Ring Attired.)

Spoiler:

1- no weapon. Mic Foley comes with his fists and he thinks it's enough.
2- Kendo Stick. +1 I
3- Trash Can. +1 A
4- Steel Chair. +1D3 St during Combat. Roll at the start of each Combat.
5- Led Pipe. +1 St
6- Barb-Wired Bat. -Wounds on a 4+, does not count as poison.

Special Rules: Eternal Warrior, Independant Character, Unique, Truly Fearless, Hardcore Legend, Psychic Powers (If certain Ring Attire has been chosen.)
Hardcore Legend: Mic Foley gets a 4+ FnP roll against all wounds, no matter the strength or AP unless the profile of the weapon targeting him says no saves aloud.
Truly Fearless: Mic Foley never has to take any leadership/morale test, he always counts as having passed. In combat this means he does not suffer wounds when he loses combat, he merely just keeps fighting. This does not apply to his unit or his Psychic tests.
Dude Love Psychic Powers: Roll 1D3 when using this, it may be used only at the beginning of your shooting phase before other shots are made.

Spoiler:

1 - Spread the Love man. Effects all units within 6" of Mic Foley, including your own. For this players turn and the following players turn, units effected by this cannot shoot or assault or use psychic powers that target enemy models. This includes Mic Foley.
2- Psychidellic. Any enemy unit Mic Foley charges counts as going last in Combat regardless of their own special rules until the end of your turn.
3- Trippin. Mic Foley and his Unit gain Fleet and count as rolling sixes for any movement/run roll they make until the following turn, in addition they all get +1 A.

Mankinds Psychic Powers: Use no more than one per game turn and always during your turn, but you MUST use one. They count as a shooting attack.

Spoiler:

Poetry- All units with 12" of Mic Foley including your own with the exception of Mic Foley, lose the Fearless special rule, (No matter the reason they have it.) They also take all Leadership/Morale tests (Not psychic tests) at LD 6 until your following turn.
Cry of Pain- Mic Foley inflicts one wound upon himself, this is an unsavable wound, and from the wound he lashes out a psychic wave of pain. Any model within a (fire) template arch from your chosen direction off of Mic Foley's base, takes a Leadership Test with a +2 to their roll. Should they fail said leadership test they suffer one unsavable wound. Models with Psychic powers who are within this arch automatically fail this test.
Mrs. Foley's little boy- Foley sits down and is no longer attached to any unit nor can he be until your following turn. If any model would target him during this period, they would suffer a Psychic Wound that can only be saved by a FnP roll. Foley Regenerates a wound on a 5+ during this time. He cannot assault during this time. If he is assaulted he will count as going first and having +3 Attacks. Your units, who have line of site with him, also recieve a -1 to their Ld now. (In short, it's best to just let him sit.)

[/spoiler]

So had to google him and while I dislike WWF style "wrestling" I would agree he's a good character because of the goofiness, though a T6 W5 with unending FnP dude sounds tough.... Does he really have no armor. Ither way, yes he'd be an interesting WWAAAAAGGHHH!!!!! leader or confusing Eldar choice haha

That actually brings up an interesting question. If a character doesn't have any armour, would FnP be canceled by 'any weapon that ignores their armour' like it does? Or is that even a rule...

No, fnp is cancelled by AP 1 and 2 or an attack that ignores ALL armour, like a power weapon or fist. I have talked to people about this, it would make fnp orks like Nobz MUCH worse, also, fnp is taken off by 2x toughness like instant death.

There is a man, a wanderer, lost in time. Stuck in the 41st millennium, he travels from planet to planet, learning all that he can and in return teaching those who he encounters a fraction of his knowledge. He possesses advanced technology that makes the Necrons, and all of their technology, look like a middle school science project. He is the master of science, the great teacher, and to some, he is known simply as the science guy.

His name is Bill Nye, and he will end all who stand in opposition him. With science.

Bill Nye, the Science Guy...............1000 points
WS:7 BS:7 S:5 T:5 W:2 I:3 A:3 Ld:10 Sv: 3+
FOC: Bill Nye counts as an HQ unit and two Troops choices, all at the same time. However, Nye can act as any one of the three if taken in a complete army. The owning player must decide which slot Bill Nye takes up.
Unit Type: Beast (Unique)
Wargear: Teleporter, Phase Gauntlets, Kinetic Barrier, Slow Field, Nanotech, Particle Accelerators, Quantum Armor

Teleporter: While teleporters are common in the 41st millennium, there are none that can compare to Bill Nye's. His ultra-precise teleporter is capable of placing where he wants, when he wants. Bill Nye may start the game in reserve and enter play by Deep Strike, even in mission that do not use reserves or deep strike. During the movement phase, he may deep strike instead of moving normally. Bill Nye may also assault after deep striking, teleporting directly in front of his enemy, but he may not deep strike within 2" of any enemy models. Bill Nye does not scatter when entering play for the first time. However, if he deep strikes in the movement phase instead of moving normally, he scatters 1d6-1". If he scatters onto an enemy unit or dangerous or difficult terrain, he reduces his scatter until he is not in terrain or within 2" of the enemy unit.

Phase Gauntlets: Phase Gauntlets are a pair of twin gauntlets that are holographic, but are as solid as the hardest material. They can manifest a menagerie of different weapons, each with their own properties. Before assault moves are made, roll a d6.
1- Phase Blades- Bill Nye creates a pair of blades, capable of cutting through even the thickest armor with ease. Bill Nye gains +1 attack, and the weapons are power weapons that wound on a 3+ and roll an additional d3 for armor penetration.
2- Disruption Cleaver- He manifests a single massive blade, comparable in strength to Imperial Chainfists. This weapon counts as a Chainfist that hits in initiative order.
3- Energy-whips- Two long whip-like weapons appear, and Nye wields them with the skill of a master. Bill Nye gains +2 attacks. These are close combat weapons that have the Rending special rule, but Rend on a 5+ rather than a 6.
4- Dispersion Gauntlets- The Gauntlets begin to glow as its micro-fabricators speed into overdrive. Nye gains +1 attack and any model hit does not suffer a wound, but is instantly teleported 3d6 inches away from Nye.
5- Cryo Blades- A pair of blades sprout from Nye's gauntlets, but these exude a light blue mist. Any model hit is snap-frozen in place, and counts as having gone to ground. For the remainder of the game, they have -2 WS and -2 I, to a minimum of 1. If a vehicle is hit, Nye hits the vehicle on the side facing him, rather than the rear armor (unless, of course, he is in base contact with the rear armor). The vehicle counts as having -4 to that faces armor value for the next game turn, as the armor has become as brittle as ice.
6- Inferno Blades- The gauntlets sprout flame, and any touched by it are given the gift of fire all over them. The fire can spread if others who are not on fire get too close, as the heat can easily cause other material to catch fire. Inferno blades are close combat weapons that wound on a 4+. Any model hit is then on fire. For every phase after, any model (friendly or enemy) that gets within 2" of models that are on fire also catch fire. All models that are on fire take damage each turn, and must roll a d6 every player turn, taking a single wound on a 4+.

Kinetic Barriers: While energy shields are quite prevalent, Kinetic Barriers are not. A kinetic barrier instantly react to any impact, stopping it in its tracks and diverting the energy into either a capacitor or around the person within the barrier. With the proper energy source, this barrier could theoretically be maintained forever, regardless of what hits it. It is a good thing, then, that Bill Nye has the proper energy source. The only problem is that it only reacts to things moving at extreme speed. Bill Nye has a 2+ Invulnerable save in the shooting phase and against models with Initiative 7 or higher in close combat.

Slow Field: When in close combat, Nye surrounds himself with a slow field, which basically slows down time a bit around Bill Nye. He counts as having both Assault and Defensive Grenades, has the Counter-Attack special rule, and always strikes first when charging into combat or piling in.

Nanotech: Using his vast knowledge of science, Nye devised nanobots that will repair his wounds should he get injured. Nye has the Feel No Pain special rule, however for Nye it negates a wound on a 3+.

Particle Accelerators: Bill Nye uses twin Particle accelerator weapons located on each arm. They fire with one of the following profiles, once per Nye's shooting phase: R: 30" S:5 AP:3 Assault 6 or R: 48" S:8 AP:1 Assault 1, Lance.

Quantum Armor: Bill Nye's Quantum armor is an engineering marvel. Not only does it massively increase the strength of the wearer, but also allows them to shrug off blows that would normally kill lesser creatures. The armor increases Bill Nye's strength and toughness by 2 and confers a 3+ armor save to Bill.

So... what'cha think?

McNinja wrote:

Spoiler:

There is a man, a wanderer, lost in time. Stuck in the 41st millennium, he travels from planet to planet, learning all that he can and in return teaching those who he encounters a fraction of his knowledge. He possesses advanced technology that makes the Necrons, and all of their technology, look like a middle school science project. He is the master of science, the great teacher, and to some, he is known simply as the science guy.

His name is Bill Nye, and he will end all who stand in opposition him. With science.

Bill Nye, the Science Guy...............400 points
WS:7 BS:7 S:3 T:3 W:2 I:3 A:2 Ld:10 Sv: 6+
FOC: Bill Nye counts as an HQ unit and two Troops choices, all at the same time. However, Nye can act as any one of the three if taken in a complete army. The owning player must decide which slot Bill Nye takes up.
Unit Type: Beast (Unique)
Wargear: Teleporter, Phase Gauntlets, Kinetic Barrier, Slow Field, Nanotech, Particle Accelerators

Teleporter: While teleporters are common in the 41st millennium, there are none that can compare to Bill Nye's. His ultra-precise teleporter is capable of placing where he wants, when he wants. Bill Nye may start the game in reserve and enter play by Deep Strike, even in mission that do not use reserves or deep strike. During the movement phase, he may deep strike instead of moving normally. Bill Nye may also assault after deep striking, teleporting directly in front of his enemy, but he may not deep strike within 2" of any enemy models. Bill Nye does not scatter when entering play for the first time. However, if he deep strikes in the movement phase instead of moving normally, he scatters 1d6-1". If he scatters onto an enemy unit or dangerous or difficult terrain, he reduces his scatter until he is not in terrain or within 2" of the enemy unit.

Phase Gauntlets: Phase Gauntlets are a pair of twin gauntlets that are holographic, but are as solid as the hardest material. They can manifest a menagerie of different weapons, each with their own properties. Before assault moves are made, roll a d6.
1- Phase Blades- Bill Nye creates a pair of blades, capable of cutting through even the thickest armor with ease. Bill Nye gains +1 attack, and the weapons are power weapons that wound on a 3+ and roll an additional d3 for armor penetration.
2- Disruption Cleaver- He manifests a single massive blade, comparable in strength to Imperial Chainfists. This weapon counts as a Chainfist that hits in initiative order.
3- Energy-whips- Two long whip-like weapons appear, and Nye wields them with the skill of a master. Bill Nye gains +2 attacks. These are close combat weapons that have the Rending special rule.
4- Dispersion Gauntlets- The Gauntlets begin to glow as its micro-fabricators speed into overdrive. Nye gains +1 attack and any model hit does not suffer a wound, but is instantly teleported 3d6 inches away from Nye.
5- Cryo Blades- A pair of blades sprout from Nye's gauntlets, but these exude a light blue mist. Any model hit is snap-frozen in place, and counts as having gone to ground. For the remainder of the game, they have -2 WS and -2 I, to a minimum of 1. If a vehicle is hit, Nye hits the vehicle on the side facing him, rather than the rear armor (unless, of course, he is in base contact with the rear armor). The vehicle counts as having -4 to that faces armor value for the next game turn, as the armor has become as brittle as ice.
6- Inferno Blades- The gauntlets sprout flame, and any touched by it are given the gift of fire all over them. The fire can spread if others who are not on fire get too close, as the heat can easily cause other material to catch fire. Inferno blades are close combat weapons that wound on a 4+. Any model hit is then on fire. For every phase after, any model (friendly or enemy) that gets within 2" of models that are on fire also catch fire. All models that are on fire take damage each turn, and must roll a d6 every player turn, taking a single wound on a 4+.

Kinetic Barriers: While energy shields are quite prevalent, Kinetic Barriers are not. A kinetic barrier instantly react to any impact, stopping it in its tracks and diverting the energy into either a capacitor or around the person within the barrier. With the proper energy source, this barrier could theoretically be maintained forever, regardless of what hits it. It is a good thing, then, that Bill Nye has the proper energy source. The only problem is that it only reacts to things moving at extreme speed. Bill Nye has a 2+ Invulnerable save in the shooting phase and against models with Initiative 7 or higher in close combat.

Slow Field: When in close combat, Nye surrounds himself with a slow field, which basically slows down time a bit around Bill Nye. He counts as having both Assault and Defensive Grenades, has the Counter-Attack special rule, and always strikes first when charging into combat or piling in.

Nanotech: Using his vast knowledge of science, Nye devised nanobots that will repair his wounds should he get injured. Nye has the Feel No Pain special rule, however for Nye it negates a wound on a 3+.

Particle Accelerators: Bill Nye uses twin Particle accelerator weapons located on each arm. They fire with the following profile: R: 36" S:7 AP:2 Assault 2.

So... what'cha think?

Sorry, no. For several reasons:
1/ Assault 2 AP2 that will wound anything from any MEQ dex on a 2+? That should always be in range unless Night fighting is on? Drop strength & range

2/ A one man basic army? He needs to be one or the other

3/ 2++. not a chance. Nuff said.

4/ 400pts? F*ck off. If nothing changes stats & gear wise, try 650pts

I was waiting to see how long it would take for the hate to start pouring in onto this character...

Cameron Baum wrote:I was waiting to see how long it would take for the hate to start pouring in onto this character...

Is 23 mins a record then?

You do know who Bill Nye the science guy is, right?

I'm asking because it seems like you're taking a (hopefully) joke character too seriously.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Nye

Avatar 720 wrote:You do know who Bill Nye the science guy is, right?

I'm asking because it seems like you're taking a (hopefully) joke character too seriously.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Nye

The true question is... do we care? :@P

And he looks like Egon Spengler's brother...

By the Emperor! He knows not who the fabled Bill Nye, the original prophet of the Omnissiah is! A heretic to the Machine Cult.

moom241 wrote:By the Emperor! He knows not who the fabled Bill Nye, the original prophet of the Omnissiah is! A heretic to the Machine Cult.

*Shrugs*

Still looks like Egon Spengler's brother...

Cameron Baum wrote:Er.... how is a tank a character?

Still an origal model so I'm happy with it, even if others arent. From a LR Vanquisher you loose a lot of armor and the Heavy bolter and gain the fast ability. For 40 points it sounds good to me!

felixander wrote:

Cameron Baum wrote:Er.... how is a tank a character?

Still an origal model so I'm happy with it, even if others arent. From a LR Vanquisher you loose a lot of armor and the Heavy bolter and gain the fast ability. For 40 points it sounds good to me!

I'm not attacking it, Just amused by a tank being a character. Maybe it's like Knight Rider? ;@)

I'm not good with Vehicles, so I can't personally comment.

Bjorn the Fell Handed is a Special Character that's a vehicle.

I vaguely remember a fancy tank (land raider from memory..) that had a more advanced machine spirit, closer to the AI core of a Titan that was a character.

I also remember seeing a vehicle special character that was special because of its famous crew.

It's not unprecedented.

Ovion wrote:Bjorn the Fell Handed is a Special Character that's a vehicle.

I vaguely remember a fancy tank (land raider from memory..) that had a more advanced machine spirit, closer to the AI core of a Titan that was a character.

I also remember seeing a vehicle special character that was special because of its famous crew.

It's not unprecedented.

In my experience, Ovion has proven to have deep, insightful and detailed knowledge on 40K. If he says it is so, then I believe him.

So I happily stand corrected. :@)

Well it's 1-3 per unit Fast Attack choice so it isn't a character he just wanted to share a special unit. And considering its one of the few things posted here that isn't op or underpriced I'm glad he did ;D

Cameron Baum wrote:

Ovion wrote:Bjorn the Fell Handed is a Special Character that's a vehicle.

I vaguely remember a fancy tank (land raider from memory..) that had a more advanced machine spirit, closer to the AI core of a Titan that was a character.

I also remember seeing a vehicle special character that was special because of its famous crew.

It's not unprecedented.

In my experience, Ovion has proven to have deep, insightful and detailed knowledge on 40K. If he says it is so, then I believe him.

So I happily stand corrected. :@)

I just read 'dexes / take the crap other people have pointed out to me and filter it through where required, and in turn you (and others) will probably do the same.
A good chunk of my own knowledge is from people pointing out where I'm wrong + me doing further research to verify, and thus expanding my own knowledge.

But I appreciate the sentiment

felixander wrote:Well it's 1-3 per unit Fast Attack choice so it isn't a character he just wanted to share a special unit. And considering its one of the few things posted here that isn't op or underpriced I'm glad he did ;D

Well, I have to admit that it didn't scream out at me like half of the posted items on this thread have....

Cameron Baum wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:You do know who Bill Nye the science guy is, right?

I'm asking because it seems like you're taking a (hopefully) joke character too seriously.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Nye

The true question is... do we care? :@P

And he looks like Egon Spengler's brother...

I all seriousness, you should. The character I made was indeed a joke (I got the idea to make a character Bill Nye from a joke), but Bill Nye taught me more about science in elementary school than any teacher I had did. His series of video are very well done, very informative (if basic, they are made for younger kids), and the videos quickly became something to look forward to in science class. It was a dark day when Bill Nye videos were booted off of the teaching schedule (it was bright outside, but if you can image two dozen angry sixth graders about 12 years old mumbling and cursing to themselves, some even whining to the teacher about how much better Bill Nye is than this POS video we had to watch).

In all fairness, both Cameron and HateNids are from the UK, where if you ask "Do you know who Bill Nye is?" you'll get the reply "Of course I know who Bill Nighy is, he's an actor and was in things like Love Actually and Underworld.".

I only know who Nye is from conversations with Americans, else i'd have been clueless too, since he's unheard of over here.

IHateNids wrote:

McNinja wrote:

Spoiler:

There is a man, a wanderer, lost in time. Stuck in the 41st millennium, he travels from planet to planet, learning all that he can and in return teaching those who he encounters a fraction of his knowledge. He possesses advanced technology that makes the Necrons, and all of their technology, look like a middle school science project. He is the master of science, the great teacher, and to some, he is known simply as the science guy.

His name is Bill Nye, and he will end all who stand in opposition him. With science.

Bill Nye, the Science Guy...............400 points
WS:7 BS:7 S:3 T:3 W:2 I:3 A:2 Ld:10 Sv: 6+
FOC: Bill Nye counts as an HQ unit and two Troops choices, all at the same time. However, Nye can act as any one of the three if taken in a complete army. The owning player must decide which slot Bill Nye takes up.
Unit Type: Beast (Unique)
Wargear: Teleporter, Phase Gauntlets, Kinetic Barrier, Slow Field, Nanotech, Particle Accelerators

Teleporter: While teleporters are common in the 41st millennium, there are none that can compare to Bill Nye's. His ultra-precise teleporter is capable of placing where he wants, when he wants. Bill Nye may start the game in reserve and enter play by Deep Strike, even in mission that do not use reserves or deep strike. During the movement phase, he may deep strike instead of moving normally. Bill Nye may also assault after deep striking, teleporting directly in front of his enemy, but he may not deep strike within 2" of any enemy models. Bill Nye does not scatter when entering play for the first time. However, if he deep strikes in the movement phase instead of moving normally, he scatters 1d6-1". If he scatters onto an enemy unit or dangerous or difficult terrain, he reduces his scatter until he is not in terrain or within 2" of the enemy unit.

Phase Gauntlets: Phase Gauntlets are a pair of twin gauntlets that are holographic, but are as solid as the hardest material. They can manifest a menagerie of different weapons, each with their own properties. Before assault moves are made, roll a d6.
1- Phase Blades- Bill Nye creates a pair of blades, capable of cutting through even the thickest armor with ease. Bill Nye gains +1 attack, and the weapons are power weapons that wound on a 3+ and roll an additional d3 for armor penetration.
2- Disruption Cleaver- He manifests a single massive blade, comparable in strength to Imperial Chainfists. This weapon counts as a Chainfist that hits in initiative order.
3- Energy-whips- Two long whip-like weapons appear, and Nye wields them with the skill of a master. Bill Nye gains +2 attacks. These are close combat weapons that have the Rending special rule.
4- Dispersion Gauntlets- The Gauntlets begin to glow as its micro-fabricators speed into overdrive. Nye gains +1 attack and any model hit does not suffer a wound, but is instantly teleported 3d6 inches away from Nye.
5- Cryo Blades- A pair of blades sprout from Nye's gauntlets, but these exude a light blue mist. Any model hit is snap-frozen in place, and counts as having gone to ground. For the remainder of the game, they have -2 WS and -2 I, to a minimum of 1. If a vehicle is hit, Nye hits the vehicle on the side facing him, rather than the rear armor (unless, of course, he is in base contact with the rear armor). The vehicle counts as having -4 to that faces armor value for the next game turn, as the armor has become as brittle as ice.
6- Inferno Blades- The gauntlets sprout flame, and any touched by it are given the gift of fire all over them. The fire can spread if others who are not on fire get too close, as the heat can easily cause other material to catch fire. Inferno blades are close combat weapons that wound on a 4+. Any model hit is then on fire. For every phase after, any model (friendly or enemy) that gets within 2" of models that are on fire also catch fire. All models that are on fire take damage each turn, and must roll a d6 every player turn, taking a single wound on a 4+.

Kinetic Barriers: While energy shields are quite prevalent, Kinetic Barriers are not. A kinetic barrier instantly react to any impact, stopping it in its tracks and diverting the energy into either a capacitor or around the person within the barrier. With the proper energy source, this barrier could theoretically be maintained forever, regardless of what hits it. It is a good thing, then, that Bill Nye has the proper energy source. The only problem is that it only reacts to things moving at extreme speed. Bill Nye has a 2+ Invulnerable save in the shooting phase and against models with Initiative 7 or higher in close combat.

Slow Field: When in close combat, Nye surrounds himself with a slow field, which basically slows down time a bit around Bill Nye. He counts as having both Assault and Defensive Grenades, has the Counter-Attack special rule, and always strikes first when charging into combat or piling in.

Nanotech: Using his vast knowledge of science, Nye devised nanobots that will repair his wounds should he get injured. Nye has the Feel No Pain special rule, however for Nye it negates a wound on a 3+.

Particle Accelerators: Bill Nye uses twin Particle accelerator weapons located on each arm. They fire with the following profile: R: 36" S:7 AP:2 Assault 2.

So... what'cha think?

Sorry, no. For several reasons:
1/ Assault 2 AP2 that will wound anything from any MEQ dex on a 2+? That should always be in range unless Night fighting is on? Drop strength & range

2/ A one man basic army? He needs to be one or the other

3/ 2++. not a chance. Nuff said.

4/ 400pts? F*ck off. If nothing changes stats & gear wise, try 650pts

1-3. Bill Nye's science is better than everyone else's by a longshot.

4. Easy, there, this guy is a joke, although it would be hilarious to see this guy fielded as an entire army. I should make him 1000 points and give him some better gear At any rate, I just made a post in response to Cameron, hopefully you'll see it too. His videos are a bit cheesy, but they are some of the best memories I had of school. You knew it would be a freakin' awesome day when the teacher rolled out the TV and threw on some Bill Nye.


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Avatar 720 wrote:In all fairness, both Cameron and HateNids are from the UK, where if you ask "Do you know who Bill Nye is?" you'll get the reply "Of course I know who Bill Nighy is, he's an actor and was in things like Love Actually and Underworld.".

I only know who Nye is from conversations with Americans, else i'd have been clueless too, since he's unheard of over here.

It's a shame that's his videos were only shown in the States. They're pretty good. Bill Nye's, that is, not Bill Nighys.

McNinja wrote:

Cameron Baum wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:You do know who Bill Nye the science guy is, right?

I'm asking because it seems like you're taking a (hopefully) joke character too seriously.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Nye

The true question is... do we care? :@P

And he looks like Egon Spengler's brother...

I all seriousness, you should. The character I made was indeed a joke (I got the idea to make a character Bill Nye from a joke), but Bill Nye taught me more about science in elementary school than any teacher I had did. His series of video are very well done, very informative (if basic, they are made for younger kids), and the videos quickly became something to look forward to in science class. It was a dark day when Bill Nye videos were booted off of the teaching schedule (it was bright outside, but if you can image two dozen angry sixth graders about 12 years old mumbling and cursing to themselves, some even whining to the teacher about how much better Bill Nye is than this POS video we had to watch).

Since this is OT, I shall put my reply in a spoiler, to respect the main topic...



And he still looks like Egon Spengler's brother...

Cameron Baum wrote:

Since this is OT, I shall put my reply in a spoiler, to respect the main topic...

Spoiler:

I live in a different country to you, so my "Elementary School" period would be Primary School, and the first year of Secondary. We never really had science in Primary, it all came along in Secondary school. And we never had videos in my classes. I remember being very confused and annoyed with it all, We would have entire afternoons and stuff, all dedicated to Science, and it was an utter mistake having double lessons of anything. Still, if anything, it showed me how limited and short-sighted the subject is, so I will have to make sure my children know things better, like the Universe being created by the Divine, and animals were created by them. Which is a religious truth I have grown to realise and embrace.

At best Science is the beginnings of things, not the be-all and end all.

And he still looks like Egon Spengler's brother...

If they are brothers, it would seem that Science would run in the family. OT response spoiler'd, but I think I might change Bill Nye into a 1000 point one-man army. It'll be awesome.

McNinja wrote:
4. Easy, there, this guy is a joke, although it would be hilarious to see this guy fielded as an entire army. I should make him 1000 points and give him some better gear At any rate, I just made a post in response to Cameron, hopefully you'll see it too. His videos are a bit cheesy, but they are some of the best memories I had of school. You knew it would be a freakin' awesome day when the teacher rolled out the TV and threw on some Bill Nye.


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Avatar 720 wrote:In all fairness, both Cameron and HateNids are from the UK, where if you ask "Do you know who Bill Nye is?" you'll get the reply "Of course I know who Bill Nighy is, he's an actor and was in things like Love Actually and Underworld.".

I only know who Nye is from conversations with Americans, else i'd have been clueless too, since he's unheard of over here.

It's a shame that's his videos were only shown in the States. They're pretty good. Bill Nye's, that is, not Bill Nighys.

You forgot he was also in Shaun of the Dead... and I happen to like Bill Nighy.

I get it. Egon Spengler's brother is America's answer to Johnny Ball. And lets not forget David Bellamy, who was brilliant with Botany, Ecology and Biology... Bill Nye probably tapped into his territory, too...

What schools failed to do, Children's television more than made up for. Such as life...

I couldn't mention all of the films he was in, I just picked two of my favourites (yes, I like Love Actually, watchagunnado? )

Avatar 720 wrote:I couldn't mention all of the films he was in, I just picked two of my favourites (yes, I like Love Actually, watchagunnado? )

Not give three brass monkeys on an Arabian stall, to be honest..You enjoy it, and that's great for you. I've never watched it. Pretty Woman, on the other hand...

Lord Magnus wrote:No, fnp is cancelled by AP 1 and 2 or an attack that ignores ALL armour, like a power weapon or fist. I have talked to people about this, it would make fnp orks like Nobz MUCH worse, also, fnp is taken off by 2x toughness like instant death.

Yes, this.
I also took it upon myself to write in the hardcore rule that he will recieve it against all wounds unless the source of the wound specifically states no saves aloud. Otherwise, you don't need armor for FnP, just with armor you get two rolls. I feel, as much as I love running nobz w/painboy, that in many cases, TWO saves against a wound is a bit much. So in most cases, unless one wound or Very Special models. I try not to give out that double chance to stave a wound. I did that when writing my dex the first time, and playtesting showed me the error of my ways.
Granted, the Cactus Jack version is ridiculously nasty, but he can't shoot, and he is only going to help a Close Combat Squad out. So...I think maybe 160pnts is ok, might even be a bit much as he doesn't give much to the overall portion of the army, but I've learned that people find ways to utilize little buffs and make characters you initially think are well priced prove to be underpriced.
Honestly, I just remembered that Mic Foley continued wrestling after being blown up by a mine, having his ear ripped off, falling from a ladder into barbwired ring ropes and that nearly dying when being chokeslammed through a Cell, which was not meant to break but poor heinsight and bam, man blacked out, kicked off a stretcher, and finished a match. He has no memory of the match. I thought to myself, that man is superhuman tough, literally, how freaking tough would he be in a video game...and then I remembered this thread, and bam, there it was. Also had a vision of a miniature with him and his random weapons lacing the base around his feet. Dude love shirt hanging over his back, Wearing his Cactus Jack shirt, Mankind mask on, hands doing the "Bang! Bang!" thing. Hardcore Legend
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On a side note, also grew up with Bill Nye the Science Guy, loved that show. I think he was doing another science show somewhere not that long ago.

felixander wrote:Well it's 1-3 per unit Fast Attack choice so it isn't a character he just wanted to share a special unit. And considering its one of the few things posted here that isn't op or underpriced I'm glad he did ;D

Oops, I guess I missed the point a little, but thanks everyone for the feedback none the less!

I know he occasionally shows up as a Science Consultant on a certain news station- don't remember which it is, though. But this is big-time, adult oriented news, which is awesome. They guy's actually rather brilliant.

This started out as a VDR vehicle for my harlequins. Its what you would get if a craftworld nightspinner and a dark elder raider had offspring.

Grand Chariot:
Grand Chariot is a universal title that applies to the multiple of variants of battle tanks the Harlequins employ. The vehicle plays the primary role of armored transport, but is often customized to the desires of the Grand Harlequin.

BS 4
Armour: 11, 11, 10
Traits: tank, fast, skimmer, open-topped, transport 12, holofield
Cost: 120

Extra Platform: The grand chariot possesses a raised surface as addition troop storage. Two separate units may board and dismount this vehicle. The platform has a capacity of 6 that allows the vehicle to contain one unit up to 12 models and another up to 6 to board and dismount the vehicle.

Shrieker Cannons: The Grand Chariot can have up to two shrieker cannons mounted on to its body and one mounted onto its extra platform. The guns are fired by the crew and a member of the boarded party must be assigned to the gun in order to fire it. These guns are treated as being fired from the crew and not the vehicle itself. Cost per gun 15 points.

doomweaver: The grand platform can upgrade its extra platform to a doomweaver. If this upgrade is taken the addition platform is removed and the tank losses it’s increased troop capacity.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Image:Grunt13-Harlequin-VDR

My primary issues are the cost, and the troop capacity.
The Doomspinner is 115pts on its own, I reckon you can happily trade the reduced AV value for the 6 man transport cap.
But Holo-Fields are 35pts alone according to the Nightspinners rules, then with +1 BS and open topped and an extra 12 man capacity, it's a lil underpriced.
+1 BS is probably offset by the lack of twin-linkage on the doomweaver, but the extra 12 man cap is probably worth at least 20pts.

Rambling aside, it probably want's to be at least 150pts... if not more.

When used as a heavy support unit, providing barrage strikes from a sheltered distance, the chariot basically waste its role as a troop transport; and when dropping off harlequins in front of the enemy the doomweaver would be under utilized and over threaten compared to other sheltered barrage units used in the game.

The twin linked night spinner gets a reroll on its scatter which is much better for a barrage weapon than an increased BS; when firing blind the BS is disregarded, negating that advantage altogether. As a transport the chariot cost the same as two darklance equipped raiders and more than two flicker field venoms. As a heavy support unit it under performs compared to the night spinner.

The holofields are a 35 point upgrade in codex eldar, but because of its harlequin nature I made it a fixture on the vehicle and judged the overall game capability of the tank at 120 points. It should be considered that it is an armor 11, 11, 10 open topped vehicle so its ability to tolerate damage is pretty reduced when compared to craftworld tanks. As a transport it runs the risk of being shot out of the sky when loaded with two units of high priced harlequins, doesn’t possess any starting weaponry, and the purchased guns require harlequins to be aboard the tank in order to be used. I have played tested this vehicle pretty extensively in my harlequin codex and feel it is about right it terms of pricing. Certain traits possessed by the tank might seem like they require a higher cost, but the tank's actual game performances have not been overly impressive.

Ovion wrote:My primary issues are the cost, and the troop capacity.
The Doomspinner is 115pts on its own, I reckon you can happily trade the reduced AV value for the 6 man transport cap.
But Holo-Fields are 35pts alone according to the Nightspinners rules, then with +1 BS and open topped and an extra 12 man capacity, it's a lil underpriced.
+1 BS is probably offset by the lack of twin-linkage on the doomweaver, but the extra 12 man cap is probably worth at least 20pts.

Rambling aside, it probably want's to be at least 150pts... if not more.

Sad to say I agree :( It seems too much like a mixture of a gunship and Transport though... 3 Shrieker Camnons and Doomweaver on a 18 man transport? That's a lot of pinning shots for a transport (though they've been appropriately priced). I doubt many people would spend that much on an AV 11 open top but still... Give it one built in Shrieker and the option to buy a Doomweaver


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Grunt13 wrote:When used as a heavy support unit, providing barrage strikes from a sheltered distance, the chariot basically waste its role as a troop transport; and when dropping off harlequins in front of the enemy the doomweaver would be under utilized and over threaten compared to other sheltered barrage units used in the game. .

Didn't notice it was a HS choice, maybe make it only have one available if it's a dedicated transport and when a HS its able to get everything? And you mention open topped like its a bad thing... It offers huge flexability for a Harlequin army with a possible 24" charge range. I wouldn't let you field it without a small price hike. But an interesting unit, do you have a model?

felixander wrote:
Sad to say I agree :( It seems too much like a mixture of a gunship and Transport though... 3 Shrieker Camnons and Doomweaver on a 18 man transport? That's a lot of pinning shots for a transport (though they've been appropriately priced). I doubt many people would spend that much on an AV 11 open top but still... Give it one built in Shrieker and the option to buy a Doomweaver

I wouldn't let you field it without a small price hike. But an interesting unit, do you have a model?

The weapon layout you describe is not possible. The tank starts without any guns and can purchase three shrieker cannons at 15 points per gun and one of those would go on the platform. Taking the doom weaver removes the platform dropping the transport limit to 12.

Link to image is in the post introducing the vehicle.

I like the concept, I do.
I play Dark Eldar, I love Harlequins and Eldar are pretty high on the list.

However, coming from the perspective of someone familiar with all the races, their codexes, rules and points I can comment on the points.

Look at it this way - this thing is the equivalent of a Ravager, with an 18 man troop capacity, with the option to drop it by 6pts.
The base Ravager is 105pts base, and that has no transport capacity.
The Base Raider is 60, with a Transport capacity of 10 (but 1 less AV at front and sides).
So if you assume the reduction in lances, replaced with the 12 man transport that goes for 105 base on the 12 man transport, being nice throw in the second squad + 6 men for 10pts... so there's your 120.
Giving it a 35pt upgrade for free is in and of itself a bit much.

I mean, for 120pts for a harder raider that can carry 10 wracks and 1-2 characters / 5 Grotesques + 1-2 characters, along with an insane ordnance weapon that can still fire when it moves its 12" to drop off its cargo... I'd *always* be taking at least one.

The Dais of Destruction is close to that... but it's 200pts, and only carries 10 men. Oh, and it doesn't have the Holo-Field.

150pts base is being generous.
Drop the Holo-fields and make it an option, and 120pts is perfectly fine.

Okay here's a character I started making for my Renegade Space Marine Chapter I'm making. They're not Chaos but they're also not Imperium. Not quite finished yet but I thought I'd submit it here for review and any ideas. Still working on the fluff but I'll post it when it's done.
Veranius Calcipher, Master of the Amethyst Acolytes- 200 Points (Sound alright?)
Stat Line:
Ws Bs S T W I A Ld Sv
6 5 4 4 3 5 3 10 2+
Unit Type: Infantry
Unit Composition: One (Unique)
Wargear: Artificer Armour, Corporeal Blade (basically a Relic Blade, not sure if should be master crafted or something), Combi-Plasma, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Iron Halo.
Special Rules: Fearless or ATSKNF (not sure which I should use yet since he's a renegade), Combat Tactics, Chapter Tactics, Independent Character, Possibly another rule to round him off.
Chapter Tactics: Basically gives one Tactical Squad Infiltrate and maybe there should be something else.
They're meant to be stealthy so maybe he should have Infiltrate or Stealth or something. Trying not to make him too OP or anything like that.
So yeah, lemme know what you think.

Commander Derf!


Instead of selecting a dedicated transport you may instead select 1 Commander Derf per army.

Commander Derf! counts as a scoring unit as long as the unit he is purchased for is a scoring unit regardless if they are embarked or not so long as the unit has at least 1 model other than Commander Derf alive.

WS:4 BS:4 S:4 Front armor:11 Side Armor:11 Rear Armor:10 I:4 A:2* Points: 85

Wargear:
Twin Linked Heavy Bolter
Storm Bolter
Psybolt ammunition
Nemisis Force Sword
Frag Grenades
Krak Grenades
Psyk Out Grenades

Special Rules:
The Aegis
Preferred Enemy (Daemons)
Preferred Enemy (Melta)

Try that again! - In a battle long ago Commander Derf got hit by a Melta shot. The extreme temperatures melted Derf into the port and he can not leave. As the damage is done Melta shots do not get the extra penetration as per the cremite plating rule. Also due to the fear he strikes into units using melta it denotes the Ulumeathi Plasma Syphon benefits but replacing the word "Plasma" with "Melta"

Drive me closer! - Being stuck in a tank for the remainder of his long life Commander Derf lusts for battle. On turns he is assaulted he gains the counter attack special rule. If Commander Derf charges he gains the Hit and Run special rule and Commander Derf gains attacks equal to the number of enemies "Tank shocked."

No Glory for You! - Any attempt to Death or Glory is instantly responded with 1 full round of shooting and 1 full attack by Commander Derf.

Hey watch where you point that thing! - Commander Derf can't get back in the tank. Any attempt to shoot the Twin Linked Heavy Bolter in the tanks frontal 45 degree arc grants the enemy a 3+ cover save, on a roll of 6 on this save Derf suffers a penetrating hit (3+ save allowed) as per Gets Hot!

Melted Power Armor - Due to the heat of the first melta blast Commander Derf's sword is welded to his hand, as such this weapon may never be removed due to a weapon destroyed result.

Psychic Powers:
Fortitude
Hammer Hand
Warp Quake

Transport Capacity: 5

Let me try again, more in the spirit of the thread...

Master Sergent Edmund Blackarrow and his tank, Emperor's Reach...290pts

BS Armor F S R
4 14 13 10

Unit: Emperor's Reach (Destroyer Tank Hunter)

Wargear: Laser Destroyer, Searchlight, Smoke Launcher, Enhanced Camo Netting, Pintle Mounted Sniper Rifle.

Special Rules:
"Hold Her Steady Boys, Lining Up!"
Blackarrow knows that when sniping, patience a virtue, and carefully lines up every shot before he takes it. If the tank did not move in the previous movement phase, add +1 to its ballistic score till the end of the shooting phase

"There's the Weak Spot!"
Blackarrow is a master tank hunter and knows the venerable spots of dang near every armored vehicle the enemies of the Imperium have. If the tank did not move in the previous moment phase, add +1 to the rolls on the vehicle damage charts.

Enhanced Camo Netting
Blackarrow and his crew carefully study the environments they will be fighting in and choose their camo netting accordingly, sometimes carrying more then one set just to be sure. Enhanced Camo Netting functions just like regular camo netting, except it gives a +2 bonus to cover saves opposed to the standard +1.

Bex wrote:

Spoiler:

Commander Derf!


Instead of selecting a dedicated transport you may instead select 1 Commander Derf per army.

Commander Derf! counts as a scoring unit as long as the unit he is purchased for is a scoring unit regardless if they are embarked or not so long as the unit has at least 1 model other than Commander Derf alive.

WS:4 BS:4 S:4 Front armor:11 Side Armor:11 Rear Armor:10 I:4 A:2* Points: 85

Wargear:
Twin Linked Heavy Bolter
Storm Bolter
Psybolt ammunition
Nemisis Force Sword
Frag Grenades
Krak Grenades
Psyk Out Grenades

Special Rules:
The Aegis
Preferred Enemy (Daemons)
Preferred Enemy (Melta)

Try that again! - In a battle long ago Commander Derf got hit by a Melta shot. The extreme temperatures melted Derf into the port and he can not leave. As the damage is done Melta shots do not get the extra penetration as per the cremite plating rule. Also due to the fear he strikes into units using melta it denotes the Ulumeathi Plasma Syphon benefits but replacing the word "Plasma" with "Melta"

Drive me closer! - Being stuck in a tank for the remainder of his long life Commander Derf lusts for battle. On turns he is assaulted he gains the counter attack special rule. If Commander Derf charges he gains the Hit and Run special rule and Commander Derf gains attacks equal to the number of enemies "Tank shocked."

No Glory for You! - Any attempt to Death or Glory is instantly responded with 1 full round of shooting and 1 full attack by Commander Derf.

Hey watch where you point that thing! - Commander Derf can't get back in the tank. Any attempt to shoot the Twin Linked Heavy Bolter in the tanks frontal 45 degree arc grants the enemy a 3+ cover save, on a roll of 6 on this save Derf suffers a penetrating hit (3+ save allowed) as per Gets Hot!

Melted Power Armor - Due to the heat of the first melta blast Commander Derf's sword is welded to his hand, as such this weapon may never be removed due to a weapon destroyed result.

Psychic Powers:
Fortitude
Hammer Hand
Warp Quake

Transport Capacity: 5

I think he's like Pask, in that when the tank dies, so does he (he can't disembark like Chronus since he is fused...atleast thats what I assumed)

motyak wrote:I think he's like Pask, in that when the tank dies, so does he (he can't disembark like Chronus since he is fused...atleast thats what I assumed)

Correct

Ovion wrote:I like the concept, I do.
I play Dark Eldar, I love Harlequins and Eldar are pretty high on the list.

However, coming from the perspective of someone familiar with all the races, their codexes, rules and points I can comment on the points.

Look at it this way - this thing is the equivalent of a Ravager, with an 18 man troop capacity, with the option to drop it by 6pts.
The base Ravager is 105pts base, and that has no transport capacity.
The Base Raider is 60, with a Transport capacity of 10 (but 1 less AV at front and sides).
So if you assume the reduction in lances, replaced with the 12 man transport that goes for 105 base on the 12 man transport, being nice throw in the second squad + 6 men for 10pts... so there's your 120.
Giving it a 35pt upgrade for free is in and of itself a bit much.

I mean, for 120pts for a harder raider that can carry 10 wracks and 1-2 characters / 5 Grotesques + 1-2 characters, along with an insane ordnance weapon that can still fire when it moves its 12" to drop off its cargo... I'd *always* be taking at least one.

The Dais of Destruction is close to that... but it's 200pts, and only carries 10 men. Oh, and it doesn't have the Holo-Field.

150pts base is being generous.
Drop the Holo-fields and make it an option, and 120pts is perfectly fine.

The ravager is a dedicated vehicle hunter who is able to move and fire all three of its heavy weapons due to its special rule and has the addition benefit of acute senses. The chariot starts off as a weaponless troop transport at 120 points. Using the ravager and VDR:

value of dark lances: 35 points each
value of transport capacity: 1 point per model.
value of holofields: 35 points.

Going just by the equipment and not game mechanics ; to change the ravager into the chariot 105 points of weaponry is removed and replaced with 18 points of transport capability and an over priced (for a chariot) 35 point upgrade. Looking just at the wargear it should be cheaper than the ravager not more expensive as I have it. Also, as I stated above the chariot doesn’t really compete with two raiders or two venoms in terms of being able to transport units; despite it equaling or exceeding their value - the chariot also removes a heavy slot from the FOC whereas the raiders/venoms are dedicated transports.

Twin linked doom weavers are given to the night spinners that cost 115 points, so its hardly that insane considering that the craftworld tank is more resilient than the chariot and would likely be concealed at a respectful distance rather than braving enemy fire to drop off troops; an action that would likely have the tank traveling too fast to fire the doom weaver. Giving the chariot a doom weaver turns the tank into a troop transport / artillery piece which are generally completely contrary roles. Also taking the doom weaver removes the platform preventing the extra unit from being transported - a chariot with the doom weaver is only able to transport one unit of 12 - the same capacity as wave serpents and chimeras. Having two units aboard the vehicle plus the doom weaver as you describe is not possible.

The Dais on the other hand is a 13/13/13 raider transport with 3 dark lances, costing 200 points. Much better equipped and protected when compared to the chariot which can be gunned out of the sky by heavy bolters and pulse rifles. Working backwards and lowering the armor and dropping the dark lances would significantly drop the Dais’s price even when adding the extra transport capacity and holofields.

He's funny, whatever else he is. And it's interesting to have a Tank that's nigh unkillable (or at least very, very tough) against melee, but can be easily popped with ranged.

And Tankbusta Bombs aren't Melta! Nyah!

Fatty boom boom
This rather overweight gaursdmen ate too many pies!
WS BS S T W I A LD SV
* 0 * 8 4 * * 10 2+
* Fatty is so fat instead of attacking he squishes people he always strikes first when charging an last when charged. to show his incredible weight he wounds on a 2+ and ignores armour save if a multiple wound model is wounded roll a D6 if there is a 6 he lives if not he dies. When fatty boom boom attacks because of his size they are automatically hit . agaist veichles he is strength ten and auto his with 3 attacks.
Points 350
I mean no offense by this

Oddly enough that might be one of the more balanced suggestions in the last few pages.

Anvildude wrote:Oddly enough that might be one of the more balanced suggestions in the last few pages.

REALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, yeah. Always strikes first when charging, that's something. But then, to balance it, he always strikes last when getting charged. That's a good balance. Means there's a situation where his incredible CC prowess is negated, if an opponent is clever enough. He's murder to vehicles, but only moves at a regular infantry pace, and is deployed regularly- if you can't get a vehicle out of the way, then, well, that's your problem. He has, from what I can tell, either no shooting at all, or nothing more than a lasgun. However, if he manages to get the charge, he'll either wreck a vehicle (possibly- no more dangerous than a Tankbusta with Tankhamma, really) or deal quite a bit of damage to infantry. He's got high Toughness, but only 4 wounds, and no Invuln save or FnP or anything, so he's subject to the same weaknesses as most other Monstrous Creatures.

This is for 350 points. That's a fair price to pay for a model with those strengths and weaknesses, really.

Bex wrote:Commander Derf!

Spoiler:

Instead of selecting a dedicated transport you may instead select 1 Commander Derf per army.

Commander Derf! counts as a scoring unit as long as the unit he is purchased for is a scoring unit regardless if they are embarked or not so long as the unit has at least 1 model other than Commander Derf alive.

Commander Derf! and Mortis

WS:4 BS:4 S:4 Front armor:11 Side Armor:11 Rear Armor:10 I:4 A:2* Points: 90

Unit Type:
Vehicle(Tank)

Wargear:
Twin Linked Heavy Bolter
Storm Bolter
Psybolt ammunition
Nemisis Force Sword
Frag Grenades
Krak Grenades
Psyk Out Grenades
Smoke Launcher

Special Rules:
The Aegis
Preferred Enemy (Daemons)
Preferred Enemy (Melta)

Stuck! - In a battle long ago Commander Derf got hit by a Melta shot. The extreme temperatures melted Derf into the port and he can not leave. When Mortis is destroyed so is Commander Derf!

Try that again! - As the damage is done Melta shots do not get the extra penetration as per the cremite plating rule. Also due to the fear he strikes into units using melta it denotes the Ulumeathi Plasma Syphon benefits but replacing the word "Plasma" with "Melta"

Drive me closer! - Being stuck in a tank for the remainder of his long life Commander Derf lusts for battle. On turns he is assaulted he gains the counter attack special rule. If Commander Derf charges he gains the Hit and Run special rule and Commander Derf gains attacks equal to the number of enemies "Tank shocked."

No Glory for You! - Any attempt to Death or Glory is instantly responded with 1 full round of shooting and 1 full attack by Commander Derf.

Hey watch where you point that thing! - Commander Derf can't get back in the tank. Any attempt to shoot the Twin Linked Heavy Bolter in the tanks frontal 45 degree arc grants the enemy a 3+ cover save, on a roll of 6 on this save Derf suffers a penetrating hit (3+ cover save allowed) as per Gets Hot!

Melted Power Armor - Due to the heat of the first melta blast Commander Derf's sword is welded to his hand, as such this weapon may never be removed due to a weapon destroyed result.

Psychic Powers:
Fortitude
Hammer Hand
Warp Quake

Transport Capacity: 5

Edited the stats/rules, changes are in Green wrapped in Spoiler so not to take up entire page.

Imperial Guard Company Commander HQ Upgrade

Baron Patterson VI

Bio: Baron Patterson VI comes from a wealthy family who for generations have engaged in the follies of the upper class. Horse riding, fencing, public speaking etc. The Patterson's have been known for years for their affinity for cavalry charges in battle. Whilst the success on the field of cavalry tactics is debatable the Patterson family outright refuse to modernise. At the age of forty seven he finally inherited his father's vast estates and command of the late Baron's regiment.

Ws 4
BS4
S3
T3
W3
I 3
A3
LD9
SV5+

Trusty Steeds: Baron Patterson and his command squad are all on horseback. They are given treated as cavalry for all purposes and have the USR Fleet of Hoof.
Tally Ho!: An Imperial Guard army with Baron Patterson VI as their Company Commander may field Rough Riders as troops.

Points cost: Normal cost of Company Command Squad + Whatever upgrades you wish to add on + 95 points.

(Sorry if the points cost section reads badly, I'm trying to avoid giving away the price of things from the Imperial Guard codex. I know you can get banned for that.)

EDIT: TYPO

Marsden wrote:Imperial Guard Company Commander HQ Upgrade

Baron Patterson VI

Bio: Baron Patterson VI comes from a wealthy family who for generations have engaged in the follies of the upper class. Horse riding, fencing, public speaking etc. The Patterson's have been known for years for their affinity for cavalry charges in battle. Whilst the success on the field of cavalry tactics is debatable the Patterson family outright refuse to modernise. At the age of forty seven he finally inherited his father's vast estates and command of the late Baron's regiment.

Ws 4
BS4
S3
T3
W3
I 3
A3
LD9
SV5+

Trusty Steeds: Baron Patterson and his command squad are all on horseback. They are given treated as cavalry for all purposes and have the USR Fleet of Hoof.
Tally Ho!: An Imperial Guard army with Baron Patterson VI as their Company Commander may field Rough Riders as troops.

Points cost: Normal cost of Company Command Squad + Whatever upgrades you wish to add on + 95 points.

(Sorry if the points cost section reads badly, I'm trying to avoid giving away the price of things from the Imperial Guard codex. I know you can get banned for that.)

EDIT: TYPO

Cool idea and good cost. Maybe let platoons take mounts for 5 points each? Power blob on horseback sounds interesting! Maybe for another 5 points a guardsman can trade in his lasgun for a lance!

Either way, just incase you haven't seen these:
http://www.victorialamb.com/store.html

Perfect for these guys if you sink the money in to actually do it!

NEW HQ: BAD DOC! Codex makes mentiones of them so why not? 120 points.

WS: 4 BS: 2 S: 4 T: 4 W: 2 I: 2 A: 3 LD: 6 SV: 4+

The Eccentricity of the bad doks far exceeds that of painboys. These exiled boyz are outcasts from their tribes but on some occasions have been known to accompany waaaghs and other ork invasions.
Their patients or "victims" can find themselves with mechanical lungs, Missing or sporting an extra head or limb or the dreaded squig brain transplant.

A Few Runts short of a herd.
They are Crazy and their cooky, They are positivily all but the mad doc himself, bat feces insane beyong all others. But trust me, unless yor ahn ork. Its really ard ta tell da difference.
Bad docs are so insane they lack the basic concepts of fear or even self preservation. Thus can never be pinned or run away from combat and pass all morality tests.

Bad Docs twisted experiments - May Select one unit in the army list and give them any of the following. But not special characters or HQ. Cannot be vehicle or walker either.

1. Meks Lungs - +2 to movement. They dont run outa breath and since it be easier to breath they can run faster and longer.
2. Extra Eads - An extra ead - One wants to go one way, Other wants other. +1 Leadership
3. Extra Arm - +1 attack
4. Eavy Body - Replaces who or most skeleton with eavy armor ork skeleton - Why? Well...why not?! Gains slow but purposeful and +1 T
5. Squig Brain Transplant - Model has -4 leadership to min of 1 and cannot use normal wargear and can only attack in CC. Must always assault and run towards nearest enemy unit. Attacks count as rending
due to the Squigs savage nature in the ork body as the body is outftted with sharp clawed gauntlets in the feet and hands too






AND!



DA KAN MEK - NEW HQ!

WS: 4 BS: 2 ST: 4 T: 4 W: 2 I:2 A: 2 LD:8 SV: 6

Independant char, Mod rule, Furious charge, Waaagh! , Da Mek's Kans

Basically I am tired of writting now so it can make one squad his own personal killa kans.
Its em front and side armor of 12. He would be like 100-150 points or so and he has a Eavy Wrench which is a hand held Hydroloc wrench that counts as a power weapon.

So one squad of Kans would give like extra armor to them..


Other ideas I had are here which is a copy paste from my notepad.

Nobs - Nob bikers may be taken at 20 points per model if Wazdakka is a part of your army list.
Bikers may now be 3-15 models in a squad. Basic WarGear is now big choppa and slugga instead of choppa, Bikers have learned how carry the big choppa with one hand instead of two and while riding. Bikers gain a 4+ save so eavy armor is not needed.

Exhaust cloud now also makes it so that in Close combat the cloud is blurring the vision of those attacking the nobs. Results to hit the nob bikers due to the dark oily and toxic exhause clouds must be made at a +1 higher than normal. So for example to hit the nob vs its WS would normally be a 4 it is now a 5 to hit! A roll to hit on a 6 always hits.

Killa Kans - Elite Choice now and two new weapons including a Additional CC weapon for 20 or two Twin Linked Big Shoota for 20 points. Two big shootas that are twin linked instead of normal big shoota. Kans can also now have a squadren of up to 5 instead of 3.

Telly Portas - May enter the field Via Deep Strike rules. But always scatters

Deff Dread - Drops 5 points. Is still heavy choice but has the additional weapon options.
Mounted Shock Attack Gun. A Mek has planted a Mounted Shock Attack gun onto the Deff Dreads arms. 50 Points. The Dread cannot move and shoot. Must remain stationary in order to fire the gun. Results vary slightly when rolling the dice.
1's - Melt Down - Deff Dread suffers a Vehicle Explosion Result
2's - Malfunction Gun Malfunctions and shoots nearest Target closest to the Deff Dread. Be friend or foe.
3's - Grrr - Portal opens in Wrong place. Fires at closest unit at intended target. Be friend or foe
4's - Sploosh - The snotlings exit the tunnel in an explosive array of bone and gore. Resolve the attack upon the target, but use the small blast template and any hits are Str and ap of 6.
5's - Kapow - The Deff Dreads Shock attack gun fires the dread at the target. Resolve this as if it moved the distance from where the dread left and into base to base contact with the first model of the squad or into contact with the hull of the vehicle it shot using the tank shock or ramming rules as it crashes into the squad and or tank. The model is assumed to be moving in a straight line.
5-6 - Bzzap - Shock attack Guns Field collapes, Only the model under the template hole is hit. Shot is Str 10. Gun may not fire next turn.
6's - RARRGH - A Portal Hole is opened into the warp and all those underneath the large blast template is sucked into the warp never to be seen again. Remove all models under that template from the game without any kind of saves allowed. Vehicles take a auto penetratng hit.

Telly Portas - May enter the field Via Deep Strike rules. But always scatters

Thanks Felixander! I'm definitely considering them as a possible new army. (I'm also looking at fantasy battle horse units for cheap rough riders.)

Hmm... I wonder what Veteran Rough Rider stats and rules would be...

A whole Rough Rider codex would be fun.

Vasarto wrote:NEW HQ: BAD DOC! Codex makes mentiones of them so why not? 120 points.

WS: 4 BS: 2 S: 4 T: 4 W: 2 I: 2 A: 3 LD: 6 SV: 4+

Spoiler:

The Eccentricity of the bad doks far exceeds that of painboys. These exiled boyz are outcasts from their tribes but on some occasions have been known to accompany waaaghs and other ork invasions.
Their patients or "victims" can find themselves with mechanical lungs, Missing or sporting an extra head or limb or the dreaded squig brain transplant.

A Few Runts short of a herd.
They are Crazy and their cooky, They are positivily all but the mad doc himself, bat feces insane beyong all others. But trust me, unless yor ahn ork. Its really ard ta tell da difference.
Bad docs are so insane they lack the basic concepts of fear or even self preservation. Thus can never be pinned or run away from combat and pass all morality tests.

Bad Docs twisted experiments - May Select one unit in the army list and give them any of the following. But not special characters or HQ. Cannot be vehicle or walker either.

1. Meks Lungs - +2 to movement. They dont run outa breath and since it be easier to breath they can run faster and longer.
2. Extra Eads - An extra ead - One wants to go one way, Other wants other. +1 Leadership
3. Extra Arm - +1 attack
4. Eavy Body - Replaces who or most skeleton with eavy armor ork skeleton - Why? Well...why not?! Gains slow but purposeful and +1 T
5. Squig Brain Transplant - Model has -4 leadership to min of 1 and cannot use normal wargear and can only attack in CC. Must always assault and run towards nearest enemy unit. Attacks count as rending
due to the Squigs savage nature in the ork body as the body is outftted with sharp clawed gauntlets in the feet and hands too






AND!



DA KAN MEK - NEW HQ!

WS: 4 BS: 2 ST: 4 T: 4 W: 2 I:2 A: 2 LD:8 SV: 6

Independant char, Mod rule, Furious charge, Waaagh! , Da Mek's Kans

Basically I am tired of writting now so it can make one squad his own personal killa kans.
Its em front and side armor of 12. He would be like 100-150 points or so and he has a Eavy Wrench which is a hand held Hydroloc wrench that counts as a power weapon.

So one squad of Kans would give like extra armor to them..


Other ideas I had are here which is a copy paste from my notepad.

Nobs - Nob bikers may be taken at 20 points per model if Wazdakka is a part of your army list.
Bikers may now be 3-15 models in a squad. Basic WarGear is now big choppa and slugga instead of choppa, Bikers have learned how carry the big choppa with one hand instead of two and while riding. Bikers gain a 4+ save so eavy armor is not needed.

Exhaust cloud now also makes it so that in Close combat the cloud is blurring the vision of those attacking the nobs. Results to hit the nob bikers due to the dark oily and toxic exhause clouds must be made at a +1 higher than normal. So for example to hit the nob vs its WS would normally be a 4 it is now a 5 to hit! A roll to hit on a 6 always hits.

Killa Kans - Elite Choice now and two new weapons including a Additional CC weapon for 20 or two Twin Linked Big Shoota for 20 points. Two big shootas that are twin linked instead of normal big shoota. Kans can also now have a squadren of up to 5 instead of 3.

Telly Portas - May enter the field Via Deep Strike rules. But always scatters

Deff Dread - Drops 5 points. Is still heavy choice but has the additional weapon options.
Mounted Shock Attack Gun. A Mek has planted a Mounted Shock Attack gun onto the Deff Dreads arms. 50 Points. The Dread cannot move and shoot. Must remain stationary in order to fire the gun. Results vary slightly when rolling the dice.
1's - Melt Down - Deff Dread suffers a Vehicle Explosion Result
2's - Malfunction Gun Malfunctions and shoots nearest Target closest to the Deff Dread. Be friend or foe.
3's - Grrr - Portal opens in Wrong place. Fires at closest unit at intended target. Be friend or foe
4's - Sploosh - The snotlings exit the tunnel in an explosive array of bone and gore. Resolve the attack upon the target, but use the small blast template and any hits are Str and ap of 6.
5's - Kapow - The Deff Dreads Shock attack gun fires the dread at the target. Resolve this as if it moved the distance from where the dread left and into base to base contact with the first model of the squad or into contact with the hull of the vehicle it shot using the tank shock or ramming rules as it crashes into the squad and or tank. The model is assumed to be moving in a straight line.
5-6 - Bzzap - Shock attack Guns Field collapes, Only the model under the template hole is hit. Shot is Str 10. Gun may not fire next turn.
6's - RARRGH - A Portal Hole is opened into the warp and all those underneath the large blast template is sucked into the warp never to be seen again. Remove all models under that template from the game without any kind of saves allowed. Vehicles take a auto penetratng hit.

Telly Portas - May enter the field Via Deep Strike rules. But always scatters

Bad Dok was interesting. Everything after that is "make all the Orcs best units better AND cost less" derpiness.

Adrianus the flame watcher. 340p
Adrianus is the current chapter master of the Rising sun, and he’s been so for 300 years. hes waged countless battles against the orks that infest a quarter of his sector. the war
is never ending, and so is Adrianus. no one will stand in his way to clear the sector from the orc scum
Bs ws s t w I a ld
6 5 4 4 3 5 4 10

War gear: Armor of flame, Dawn, frag grenades,


Special rules: Shining omen, Fiery charades

Armor of flame:
The chapter most prized relic, forged on mars during the Dark Age. This suit of armor has been passed down from chapter master to chapter master, for countless years. When the wearer of this armor step out during dawn or dusk it shines with the Fury of the morning sun.
Confers a 2+ armor save and provides the Shining omen and eternal warror.

Shining omen
The armor of flame Lights up with such vigor that the enemies tremble in fear.
During the 2 first rounds of Dawn of war or any mission with the Night fighting special rule, any models within 8” of Adrianus gains a 4+ cover save. After the 2 rounds IF the missions got Night fighting special rule then the armor of flame shines less brightly and the cover save disappears in exchange for acting as a Beacon, making everything within 8” visible and no night fighting test is required to target Adrianus or any unit within 8”
IF the mission is dawn of war the effect simply disappears on round 2




Dawn:
Adrianus acquired this weapon after intense fighting on the world of Maria II, after 2 weeks of battling the orks, he stumbled upon an old chapter keep lost for millennia in the dense Jungle. In this keep they retrieved several of the chapter’s relics this was one of them. This holy flamer was given to Adrianus for finding some of the chapters lost relics. It’s a Flamethrower of immense power capable of melting tanks and fiends alike.

Dawn has 2 fiering modes.

melta s8 ap1 12"
Flamer s7 ap3

Fiery charades:
If the Army includes Adrianus then each squad must take a heavy flamer for 15 points

what yah think?

So his weapon is a 12" the template like a Hellhound? I know he's highly priced but if so that lines up all kinds of crazy shots, hitting multiple tanks. Perhaps it should either be the flamer as you said or an 18" Melta weapon S8 AP1 saying the weapon shoots a concentrated beam.

Ps - what army is he for and maybe you need to reword it, an IC is a unit of one, so all ICs get heavy flamers too?

Its a range 12 melta vs vehicles and a flamer temp if you choose to fire against infantry( no melta on template ) and yes i need to reword it hehe.

Not sure it's too important but maybe write in Unique in the special rules.
Is Dawn an assault or a heavy weapon?
And believe it or not, i think he's overpriced. With the exception of the heavy flamer rule, but honestly, that means non of those squads will get to use that heavy flamer unless they are not moving. Which I guess can be built around, but I'd say as is, knock him down about 100pnts or more, what's his name, Mephiston, is like 240pnts or something, and he would massacre your guy. So would Ghaz. And Ghaz's Special Rules have proven VERY useful for the whole ork army. Or look at what the mad dok does, cybork armor for any one just 5points. AP 1 means nothing. AP 3 means nothing. He's way cheaper. You can cut the price down and specify Dawn a bit more, call him an independant character or an upgrade, if he's traveling by himself and can't join a unit, make him cost even less. 200pnts the minimum I'd guess, as again, i'm not sure how good taking heavy flamers for 15pnts and I'm assuming his melta is a one shot at 12".
Sounds like a cool guy though.

Warboss Madruuk

WS7 BS2 S5 T5 W4 I5 A5 Ld9 Sv4++

Once upon a time, there was a mighty Waaagh! hurtling through the warp in search of their next great conquest. When they emerged from the Immaterium intent on crushing whatever planetary systems may be nearby, they found themselves faced with an enormous Imperial fleet. As battle was joined, a broadside from the Imperial flagship tore a chunk of the rok fortress free, sending it spinning away from the conflict. The debris tumbled endlessly through the void for several months before finally crashing on the Imperial colony of Thakeus, a rural world largely untouched by war for over five centuries. Emerging from the shattered wreck in the lonely mountains of the west on the main continent was a small mob of boyz, their dense yet brutal nob leader Krakzog, and a clumsy yoof everyone named Gub Gub.

Gub Gub was the youngest and a runt to boot. Neither was Gub Gub very smart; he was famously duped into drinking an entire can of trukk gas because "it makes your aim bettah!" Not only did it not make his aim better, even his hearty fungoid constitution was upset by both the toxic fumes of the fuel and the raucous laughter of his fellows. He was not violently inclined (at least by Ork standards) and thus was tasked with all of the menial duties of survival in the first several weeks on Thakeus as the Orks began to settle in the uninhabited wilderness.

With twenty boyz, a handful of gretchin and snotlings, a couple herds of squigs, and "Boss Krakzog da Krusha" (as he now styled himself) the Orks went about their lives blissfully unaware that a detachment from the local Planetary Defense Force was searching for them. This abruptly changed when a platoon of militiamen descended on the unsuspecting encampment. What was supposed to be a quick and dirty ambush of the Orks became a bloody mess as the PDF militamen, themselves inexperienced in war, lost their composure in the face of their alien foe and the fighting quickly devolved into a chaotic scrum. Surrounded by bodies, Boss Krakzog laid lifeless, himself krushed by the blows of lasgun butts. The PDF returned to the capital bringing news of their victory and the people rejoiced that all of the Orks were dead.

All except Gub Gub. Wounded, terrified, confused, alone, he fled into the wilderness, aimlessly dragging his battered body through forests, hills, deserts, and tundra's until finally he could flee no more and collapsed in exhaustion. It was here that Gub Gub died and it was here that Madruuk was born. Freed of the influence of his fellows, the survival instinct of the Ork species took over and Madruuk flourished. Wandering the world, he became bigger, stronger, and meaner, shedding his oafish and reticent persona. He stalked the native fauna for meat and learned the ways of the wild.

Spores of his fallen brethren soon matured into yet more Orks and, as the eldest and the biggest, Madruuk became their nob. True to Ork physiology, the necessity of fighting and leading a band of bloodthirsty Orks made him even more powerful. Rival bosses rose from the various tribes and Madruuk stomped them each in turn. As their numbers multiplied, he began conducting guerrilla warfare against the Imperials. A convoy here, a farmstead there, a fueling station over there.

Decades passed.

Thakeus is now the battleground of Warboss Madruuk and his Mobstah's, it's once peaceful fields pocked with craters and the wreckage of war, its clean rivers now choked with pollutants and corpses. Several regiments of Imperial Guardsmen and even the Space Marine Chapter Fleet of the Emperor's Blades have been diverted to the system in an effort to stem the tide of greenskins, but there seems to be no end to the war as the Orks numbers swell with each passing year. Now almost sixty, Madruuk rules over his army with an iron fist, orchestrating his war against the Imperium with the uncommon intelligence of a seasoned general.

EQUIPMENT - Stikkbombz, 'Eavy armor, Bosspole, The Axe of Mork, kustom twin-linked shoota

The Axe of Mork - A large, gold-plated chain axe that once belonged to Krakzog, it has been extensively modified to serve as an exstension of the will of its master. Covered in Ork glyphs that glow with menacing power, it is believed by his boyz to be handed down from Mork himself and capable of killing the gods themselves. Whether or not this is true is of no concern to Madruuk; it's dead killy. It is the same as a Big Choppa in all respects, with the addition of the rending special rule. It also may be used once per game as a force weapon.

SPECIAL RULES - Independent Character, Mob Rule, Furious Charge, Waaagh!, Infiltrate, Lucky, Ah've Got Skillz, Deadeye Shot, Kunnin' Plans, Man Killer, Duelist, Merciless, Unorky Prejudice

Lucky - Having cheated death on countless occasions, Madruuk firmly believes that he cannot die. As such, he follows all the rules for Eternal Warrior.

Ah've Got Skillz - Blessed with great reflexes, supreme fighting skills, and a form-fitted suit of armor crafted by his most skilled Big Meks, Madruuk has an invulnerable save of 4+.

Deadeye Shot - Madruuk fancies himself a mean hand with a shoota. Although his aim is as atrociously bad as the rest of his ilk, he has a knack for hitting the foe "right where it 'urts." Madruuk's twin-linked shoota has the rending special rule.

ADVANTAGES

Kunnin' Plans - An experienced guerrilla leader, Madruuk can take either one unit of Kommando's or Nobz as a Troop choice and adds plus one to both Steal Initiative tests and reserve rolls to a maximum of 2+.

Man Killer - Madruuk has spent a lifetime fighting soldiers of the Imperium of Man. As such, any unit he leads gains the Preferred Enemy special rule against human and super/ab-human infantry.

Duelist - Like most warbosses, Madruuk has the megolomaniac tendency of believing he is the toughest warrior of them all. Whenever assaulting a unit containing an Independent Character, he must attempt to move into base to base contact with the character and resolve all attacks against them as per Initiative. Furthermore, neither he nor the character can be attacked by other members of either squad until one of them dies or one side loses the combat and flees.

DISADVANTAGES

Merciless - Madruuk has a reputation amongst his boyz for being utterly intolerable of retreat or surrender. Any nob who's lived long enough to become one of his lieutenants has been raised to reflect that idiom. As such, any retreating unit that attempts a leadership reroll with a bosspole must inflict d6 wounds instead of the usual single wound.

Unorky Prejudice - Living for years alone in the wilderness has made Madruuk deeply suspcious of the common Ork practice of integrating machine parts into their bodies. As such, an army led by him cannot have units of Meganobz or Deff Dreads (Killa Kan gretchin don't count -- they're beneath his notice). Further, if Madruuk is joined with a unit containing models with the cybork upgrade, roll a leadership test at the beginning of the controlling players assault phase; if he fails, inflict d6 total hits against models equipped with cybork. Such is his hatred, this rule ignores special circumstances such as pinning, retreating, or embarked in a vehicle and is only superseded if the unit is already locked in combat. The leadership test cannot be retaken, the attacks are resolved using the Axe of Mork as if he charged, and he and any unit he is attached to cannot assault this turn. Allocate and resolve wounds and saves as normal.

POINT VALUE: 200.

So that's my idea, a Kommando-style warboss with a couple tricks up his sleeve and serious close combat ability. His main focus would be as a character-hunter and close combat monster just slightly short of Ghaz, making up for lack of powerklaw and Prophet of the Waaagh with sheer canny and staying power. He includes fun strategic subtleties that I feel Ork characters lack in the current iteration of the codex. I tried to include drawbacks as well as perks. The cost would make him prohibitive to lower point games unless you were really smart with him. Over priced? Under priced? Totally, ridiculously overpowered? Let me know what you guys think!

points :450

Name: Avalka
Race: Grey knights
Rank: Grandmaster

ws bs s t wo I A LD sv
7 6 6 6 6 5 5 10 2+

Wargear: Heavy psycannon, heavy incintor, storm sheild, Nemisis Dread knight Armor, NGS, Personal telaporter, frag grenades

Special rules:
fearless, enterial warrior usr, acute senses, grand strat. reinforced agries, agreis, psyker level 2

Bringer of the light:
If the game is useing night fighting rules. You may opt to use this rule. when it is used for 3 of your controling turns you need not to rule for night fighting rules. Note: your oppent still dose though.

dread knights may be taken as squads if you have this character


master of the Armory:
up to 2 squadsDreadknights may be taken as troops in squads of 2 to 3

Psyic powers:
pshyic communion, Hammerhand, Dark excumication, santuary and shourding.

Remove EW and SS. Even Grand Master mordrak isn't EW. He doesn't have a free hand to carry a SS. Replace with Iron Halo.

storm shield makes no sense, this is true.

Also unsure if being able to take 16 dreadknights is a good thing or not...

Sergeant Darleth: +25pts
WS BS S T W I A LD SV
4 4 5 4 1 4 2 10 3+

Sergeant Darleth replaces a unit's sergeant if taken. If taken in a terminator squad, he wears Terminator Armour for no additional cost.

Wargear: Power Armour, Power Axe, Multi-laser, frag+krak grenades.

Special rules: ASTKNF, Relentless, Stubborn

Darleth is a character for my homebrew codex, the Purgators. Space marines with a penchant for multi-lasers and eviscerators.

From C.S. Goto?

Never got that reference. Could you explain it to me?

That C.S really likes his multi-lasers..

In which books?

Basically C.S. Goto did wierd Gak withSMs. I have never read his stuff.but I here of Multilaser Marines, Backflipping Terminators. Also Rhinos from Cybertron.


For those that don't know Cybertron is transformers' homeworld.

Ok then...

I got multilaser marines on my own, but seeing as everyone seems to leap straight to Goto, that might change...

Deadshot wrote:Also Rhinos from Cybertron.

I'm sure if you gave enough bitz of rhino and deff dreads to a mad Mek (and I mean mad), he would make a transformer and call it a Supa-Stompa (or something)

As far as fluff goes anyway...

I do have to say, I'd rather love to see that. Though they'd actually get Wound Allocation shenanigans, too. Which is nasty.

But then again, it's Grey Knights. That's to be expected.

Ezreal the crusader wrote:
Adrianus the flame watcher. 340p
Adrianus is the current chapter master of the Rising sun, and he’s been so for 300 years. hes waged countless battles against the orks that infest a quarter of his sector. the war
is never ending, and so is Adrianus. no one will stand in his way to clear the sector from the orc scum
Bs ws s t w I a ld
6 5 4 4 3 5 4 10

This guy seems awfully high priced for his ability. The flamer/melta sounds nasty, yes, but he has no invulnerable save, no real close combat ability, only toughness four for easy instant kill...granted, stick him with some deep striking units and he can become a vehicle/infantry killer as long as you keep him wrapped in units. Still, seems pricey. I agree with Runna that even a generic warboss would eat him right up, if he could get up on him. Big if with that melta weapon, though.

Big Mek Blayze – Firestarta, Da Pyromek - 110pts
WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
4 2 4 4 2 3 3 8 4+
Composition:
• 1 (Unique)

Unit Type:
• Infantry (Character)

Wargear:
• Burna
• Slagga
• Mek’s Tools
• Burny-Proof Plating

Special Rules:
• Independent Character
• Furious Charge
• Mob Rule
• Waaagh!
• Pyromek
• “I’z a Firestarta!”
• “Ignite the tanks!”

Slagga –

Burny-Proof Plating –

Pyromek –

“I’z a Firestarta!” –

“Ignite da tanks!” –

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Big Mek w/ Burna, 'Eavy Armour = 60pts
+ 5pts for the increase to 2+ against a certain set of weaponry
+ 10pts for Slagga owing to his Orky BS rendering it less of a threat - Used BA Infernus Pistols as a comparison.
+ 10pts for Pyromek
+ 10pts for re-rolls to wound with shooting and chance of hitting own side in combat.
+ 15pts for "Ignite da tanks!" owing to it requiring him to not only lose combat and fail a morale check, but also to be sweeping advanced, as well is it having a 33% chance of nuking any Orks left in the unit or indeed any others in the combat, rendering the saving them from being swept rather moot if they die to the explosion - Based somewhat off the Tau Failsafe Detonator, which is the same points, activates when the team falls back and disallows sweeping advances altogether, is S8 but only AP-.

Total - 110pts

Fluff

Rules
Skribnit, "Da Big Kan" 120pts (155)

Front: 12
Side: 11
Rear: 11
WS: 2
BS: 3
S: 5
I: 5
LD: 6

Wargear: Grot riggers, armor plates, Twin linked Grotzooka.

Special Rules: Skrews and Takks, Da Big Kan, Not Built For this, Independent Character (see below)

SKREWS AND TAKKS: Skribnits Grotzookas are loaded, in addition to the usual scraps, with numerous pins, needles, and other small pointy objects. This drastically increases the Volume of dakka each shot produces, at the cost of strength. any model under the template takes an additional hit at S3.

Da Big Kan: Skribnit can be taken as part of a unit of Killa Kans. he takes the place of one Kan in the unit. if Not Built for This would cause Skribnit to break unit coherency, he becomes an Independent Character, but may only join a unit of kans.

Not Built for This: Skribnits Kan is armored above and beyond what its frame was meant to handle. at the beginning of each movement phase, roll 1d6. on a 1, skribnits may not move. on a 6, he developes to much momentum, and moves 6+1d3 inches, and must move in a perfectly straight line. On 2-5, he moves as normal.

Avatar 720 wrote:Big Mek Blayze – Firestarta, Da Pyromek - 110pts

This guy is fantastic! Great for a pyromaniac army. I've still got one of the old Gorkamorka meks with the burna and he could be converted for this swimmingly.

I decided to keep in spirit with some of the characters here (though not the awesome Pyromek)

Supreme Grand Overlord Awesomius

Pts: 15
type: monstrous creature (character)

WS10 BS10 S10 T10 W10 I10 A10 LD10 SV10+
Wargear: none

Special rules:
Ridicolous


Ridicolous: Awesomius allows all your units to choose whether to pass or fail any LD tests. Awesomius' attacks automaticlly removes any enemies upon wounding, with no saves or way of surviving allowed! He can teleport up to 30" every Movement phase, in addition to moving normally. He also has a 2+ invulnerable save, which can be rerolled if failed. He is also immune to any effects that causes you to be removed from the battlefield instantly, such as Jaws of the World Wolf.


On a more serious note, here is another character: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/411484.page

10+ save is terrible (technically it is impossible to successfully roll a save), I think you mean 1+ save.

Why not a 0+. Still fails on a 1. Can't ignore saves, from AP 1.

Brother Awesomius should be a troop choice with squads of thirty.

warboss_grimjaw wrote:Brother Awesomius should be a troop choice with squads of thirty.

Squads should be of unlimited size, 1-infinity. Also, he should be armed with a lascannon that is heavy 10 twin-linked, and a multi-melta that is heavy 10 twin-linked.

Both of which are 10 shot pistols that count as power fists that strike in Int order and ignore invulnerables, and count as ordinance when shooting a vehicle, even if they moved.

Sounds like a Grey Knight.

R'ylitan, the Decayer - 250pts

References to the name R'ylitan have appearred across the entire galaxy since the first days of Man. Whilst initially disputed as legends passed though time, it has been made clear by more recent Explorator expeditions that there is a degree of truth behind this being which has appeared in many civilisations. Depictions of him ranging from the ancient hierogplyths of the Gyptian Pharoahs, to the wondrous Greekian temples, to the far more recent white noises transmissions from the abandoned Persecutor-Class Fleet, R'ylitan has swayed the course of time on thousands of occasions, with only one certain consequence: the complete destruction of those who are unfortunate to witness his presence.

WS4
BS4
S5
S5
W3
I2
A3
Ld10
Sv3+

Wargear
Timesplitter Blade
Entropy Orb

Special Rules
Ever Living
Resurrection Protocols
Shifter of Civilisation

Timesplitter Blade: Said to contain the essence of a C'tan, those struck such a weapon begin to phase out of existence, doomed to roam until the end of time while their physical existence is obliterated.
The Timesplitter Blade counts as a Power Weapon. Any models wounded by it but not killed must take a Leadership Test. Any model which fails is immediatly removed from play at the end of the Assault Phase.

Entropy Orb: The antithesis of the works of the Crypteks, the Entropy Orb was created as a by-product of the technology used to create the Resurrection Orbs. While Resurrection Orbs are able to knit minerals and, to a much lesser extent flesh, back into their component forms, the Entropy Orb works in the opposite way, annihilating the bonds beween atoms the same way as the more common Voidblades and Scarabs do.
The Entropy Orb counts as a ranged weapon with the following profile:
Range: Template
SX (always wounds on 4+)
Ap1
Assault 1, Entropic Strike

Shifter of Civilisation: Before deployment, all players must roll a single D6, which may not be influenced by any way. Add all the results together and consult the following chart, the effects of which will remain in place for the rest of the game.

2: Cataclysm - Comets impact into the ground, throwing up plumes of fire which can be seen for hundreds of miles.
All players choose a medium-sized terrain feature (up to 12" x 12") and roll a D6 for their chosen terrain. On a 2+ the feature is removed from play, whereas on a 1, it is unaffected.

3-5: Eternal Night - Wherever from a volcanic event or an eclipse, darkness enshrouds the battlefield. The Night Fighting rules are in place for the first three turns of the game.

6-8: Sandstorm - Dust, ash and powdered remains are lifted into the atmosphere, obsuring targeting systems and Auspex matrices. Any unit wishing to fire over 36" subtracts 1 from their BS value (to a minimum of 2)

9-11: Radiation Purge - Local solar activity irradiates the area, causing withering effects on organic life, while artificial lifeforms are less affected.
Roll a D6 for every unit in the game. On a 5+, the unit takes D6 S5 Ap- hits. Tyranids have been observed to be more vulnerable to these effects, they are affected on a 4+, whereas Necron units as well as any model with a 2+ save are only affected on a 6. Vehicles are unaffected.

12 or above: Divine Judgement: Perceived by previous cultures as the wrath of a celestial being, R'ylitan is able to unleash horrific powers contained within the world upon the enemy. After all forces are deployed and Scout and Infiltration effects have been made, the controlling player may place D6 5" Blast Markers on the battlefield, scattering them 3D6". Any model hit takes a wound on a 4+ with the Rending rule. However, this effect is non-discriminatory, as a result, after the controlling player has made these attacks, each enemy player may also place D6 markers in the same way as above.

Valkyrie wrote:R'ylitan, the Decayer - 200pts

References to the name R'ylitan have appearred across the entire galaxy since the first days of Man. Whilst initially disputed as legends passed though time, it has been made clear by more recent Explorator expeditions that there is a degree of truth behind this being which has appeared in many civilisations. From the ancient hierogplyths of the Gyptian Pharoahs, to the wondrous Greekian temples, to the far more recent white noises transmissions from the abandoned Persecutor-Class Fleet, R'ylitan has swayed the course of time on thousands of occasions, with only one certain consequence: the complete destruction of those who are unfortunate to witness his presence.

WS4
BS4
S5
S5
W3
I2
A3
Ld10
Sv3+

Wargear
Timesplitter Blade
Entropy Orb

Special Rules
Ever Living
Resurrection Protocols
Shifter of Worlds

Timesplitter Blade: Said to contain the essence of a C'tan, those struck such a weapon begin to phase out of existence, doomed to roam until the end of time while their physical existence is obliterated.
The Timesplitter Blade counts as a Power Weapon. Any models wounded by it but not killed must take a Leadership Test. Any model which fails is immediatly removed from play at the end of the Assault Phase.

Entropy Orb: The antithesis of the works of the Crypteks, the Entropy Orb was created as a by-product of the technology used to create the Resurrection Orbs. While Resurrection Orbs are able to knit minerals and, to a much lesser extent, flesh back into their component forms, the Entropy Orb works in the opposite way, annihilating the bonds beween atoms the same way as the more common Voidblades and Scarabs do.
The Entropy Orb counts as a ranged weapon with the following profile:
Range: Template
SX
Ap1
Assault 1, Entropic Strike

This guy is cool...
Seems good all round

I read that as Ritilin.
But looks alright xD

Updated with Shaper of Civilisation rule, thanks for the feedback

One thing; you don't mention what the Entropy Orb wounds on.

Warboss Skullsmasha



Even by Orkish standards, Skullsmasha is one thick . His brain is said to be so underdeveloped that he doesn't even know he exisits, he simply follows his Orkoid instincts and doesn't feel pain from half thatb shots that penetrate his leathery hide. His Waaagh! was a force of nature, much like the brute himself.

His Waaagh! started when, as a mere Nob of the Bad Moons, he marched to war under Gutrencha da Ork-iarch. His mob of no less than a dozen Nobs, led by Gutrencha himself, with a Wierdboy as his second in command, led a full force rampage into the battlelines of the Mordian 5th. The Ork race is noted for its massive impact when it gets a charge in, but Skullsmasha made even his Warlord's berserk rampage look like a toddler throwing a fit. He smashed into the enemy with a fury that could make Gork himself hesitate before following, hurtling headfirst into a Chimera and tearing it asunder before laying waste to the occupants, include what was assumed to be Lord Commissar Van Helford. They couldn't identify the body. Or what was left as it were. Soon after he was found tearing apart Leman Russ Battle Tanks with his bare hands and hurling Guardsmen so far up into the sky it is said Mork had to move out of the way to avoid being splattered with Guardsmen.


Gutrencher da Ork-iarch died in that battle, though it required serveral Leman Russ Squadrons to bring him to his end. After that though, Skullsmasha took over. He didn't exactly lead the Orks, he just kinda went stompin' off to battle with some Lackeys at his heels. his Nobs and lesser Bosses say he is dumb as a Bull Squig and as strong as a really strong Warboss (they're Nobs, they don't understand, "thinking").


When Skullsmasha gathers momentum, no creature on Terra save the Emperor, could hope to withstand they beast's impact. This seems to be magnified by the number of larger Orks in his company. On his own he is a force to be reckoned with. As the leader of the mob of boys and their Nob-Boss, he is deadly. Heading a Meganob Mob, he is a Daemon... That said, his low intelligence capacity makes his reactions increbly slow. Except when rampaging through a frenzied melee, in which case he is a quick as a whip.


Warboss Skullsmasha 210

WS5
BS 1
S 5
T5
W 3
I 1
A 4
Ld 9
Sv 5+/5++


Wargear
Thick Skin
5+ save and FNP
Slugga
Cybork Body
'Uge Choppa
-2 handed Power Weapon.
Stikk Bombs


Special Rules
Waaagh!
Independent Character
Furious Charge

Unstoppable Rampage
For each Character( including independent characters, Upgrade Characters and Special Characters) other than himself, or Meganob in a unit joined by Skullsmasha, you may addd +1 to his Int and Str when charging, which stacks with FC. Note this only applies to Skullsmasha himself.


So, at the head of a 30 strong Boys Mob with a Nob, he would gain +2 Str and Int.

Joined to a unit of Flashgits with Painboy, Kaptain Badrukk and also joined by a Warboss, he would gain +4 Int and Str ( one of which comes from Furious Charge)

Leading a 10 man MANz unit his is Str and Int 10 on the charge.

Avatar 720 wrote:One thing; you don't mention what the Entropy Orb wounds on.

Oops, forgot that SX isn't always 4+, fixed.

Fluffy the Cowboyfex - 450pts

Unit Type: Monstrous Creature

WS 6
BS 3
S 6
T 6
W 5
I 3
A D6+2
LD 10
Sv 3+/5++

Equipment: Mega Uber Giga Blasta, Da Grimsaw, Bionik Gubbinz

Mega Uber Giga Blasta: The Mega Uber Giga Blasta may fire in three different ways. Declare which way you will fire it before you roll to hit. Note that due to the constantly wavering frequencies, you may not pick the same mode twice in a row.

Fokused Blast: Str 6 AP 3 Assault 2, Blast

Killa Beam: Str 8 AP 1 Assault 1, Lance, Gets Hot!

Unfokused wave: Str 5, AP 5, Assault 1, Template

Da Grimsaw. This is a Close Combat weapon with the Rending Special rule

Bionik Gubbinz: These give Fluffy a 5++ and Feel No Pain

Special Rules:

Uncontrollable Rage: Fluffy, despite his name, is a furious hurricane in a close bloody assault. He gets D6 +2 attacks in assault. He also has the Furious Charge and Rage USRs.

Towering Behemoth: Any enemy unit within 6" of Fluffy must pass a Morale check or they will be pinned. If a unit that is charged by Fluffy fails a morale check, every model loses 1 attack to a minimum of one, and 1 WS to a minimum of 1.

Fearless: Fluffy is a massive lumbering Behemoth that is all but immune to the most devastating of attacks. Fluffy is Fearless.

Old Champion: Fluffy is a symbol of all Orkdom, a direct conduit of Gork and Mork. All units in an army that includes Fluffy gain +1 Strength and +1 Initiative until he is slain.


After the attack of a Tyranid Hive Fleet on the world of Fervin, several Tyranid Organisms lay scattered on the planet. One of these happened to be a Carnifex. Warboss Blackgob ordered his Boyz to clear the world of, as he put it, "Dese filthy squishy scum once and fer all!". One curious Ork Boy had managed to find the Carnifex in a cave, waiting to find it's prey. Fortunately, all connections with the Hive Mind had been severed, and it was left mindless. As the Ork boy looked upon the blue carapace, he thought more and more about how lucky it must be. After all, it survived the wrath of the entire Ork populace of the planet. The Boy decided to spare the Carnifex. He named it Fluffy, as that was a traditional 'oomie name to use. He put chain around his neck and led him to the village. Several Orks looked in disbelief, others in awe as they saw the great lumbering beast being led by the Boy. "Look at the size of dat!" was one of the many exclamations of the Ork townspeople who saw Fluffy. The Meks and Doks swarmed around him, offering the Boy free Bioniks and Dakka for the creature. He simply punched them to the ground, got Fluffy to crack their skulls open, and move on. He was headed to Warboss Blackgob's Deff Castle, where he would ask for teef to spend on "custumizin'" Fluffy. Blackgob laughed at him, and said "You really think that me money is best spent on dat gribbly?!" The boy said he would give him as a personal mount, then quickly proceeded to crush his head into submission using Fluffy once negotiation failed. Fearing a similar fate, the Meks and Doks that were once hassling the Boy were now fixing up Fluffy good an' propa. They attached a massize saw onto one arm, and a humungous cannon onto another. Various bitz were added to him, until the Boy that found him now had a saddle and reins to mount him with. And this is the beginning of the legend of Fluffy.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no!


Carnifexes are not passive lurkers, like gaunts or Lictors. Once Hive Mind connections are severed, it goes into an unstoppable rampage that only a Baneblade or Fortress could withstand. Maybe. And a Boy could never in a million, trillion, a killion years would ever be able to kill, let alone chain up and lead around, a carnifex. I don't care how much jest or alcohol went into this. This is idiotic.

TBH, it's not impossible. If it got smacked in the head in the right way and was basically turned dumb, or some psychic power / backlash / whatever...

Unlikely, impropable, but It's hardly the worst thing I've seen.

Say it had a hangover... XD

Ovion wrote:TBH, it's not impossible. If it got smacked in the head in the right way and was basically turned dumb, or some psychic power / backlash / whatever...

Unlikely, impropable, but It's hardly the worst thing I've seen.

Just because you see it happen all the time on TV doesn't make it true. Gilligan might simply need a slight coconut bonk to clear his noggin but something that is bred, created, and so closely tethered to the hive mind would probably loose most function aside from violence. And even then only because only because it is created to be like that.

But sadly most of these are opinions as we don't right the fluff for 'em. GW said that when they loose contact with the hive mind they go ape until they die. The flipside of that is that the fluff for a creature doesn't have to be bullet proof, just needs to be enough to let someone else field it against them.

I wouldn't.

AND +1 STR and I to everything in the army is bonkers. You're telling me then the orcs are as fast as an Eldar Howling Banshee?

IHateNids wrote:Say it had a hangover... XD

This makes more sense then most of the fluff on this thread though but your name automatically shows your bias

General mael radec commander of the helghan imperial guard
Radec was just a child when his people were exiled from the paridise world of vekta 13 in the eastern fringe. The tau had conquered his world and forced the ideals of the greater good upon the people. A resistance formed and began gathering momentum radecs parents became involved believing they could throw off the chains of tau opression they made contact with the imperium and requested aid the imperium said they would come however the movement was betrayed from the inside and all those involved were arrested radecs parents didnt despair believeing the imperium would save them however upon hearing of the movements demise and suffering several defeats at the hands of the tau the impetium abandoned vetka 13 to its fate the tau commander soa'vre decided to make an example of the prisoners and exiled them and every member of their families. Abandoned by the imperium and exiled from vetka the exiles were forced to settle on the deathworld helghan. Full of ash clouds lightening storms and mutated carnivores helghan began to destroy the exiles those without reabreathers died within weeks of lung rot including radecs father however the exiles adapted their bodies growing stronger they took to calling themselves the helghast as they believed they were now more tan human. Eventually the planet began to thrive as a natural mineral in th planets crust was a potent source of energy cities emerged and trade began however many stil dreamed of vetka. 2 decades later the invasion of vetka began radec then a lieutenant in the helghast army was amongst the invasion force however they were constantly beaten back by the tau during the battle for vetka city radecs superior was killed the tau sensing weakness pushed forward men falling back around him radec took command and began an offensive that pushed right into the heart of the city where he met the tau commander the very one who had exiled him all those years ago his bodyguards fell to plasma fire but his sheild drones absorbed the damage he lept at radecs squad crushing the plasma gunner gutting radecs bodyguards radec lept foward power sword in hand to decapitate him but a shield drone lept in the way the tau commander swung his armored fist breaking radecs sword arm picking radec up.he prepared to finish him however radec pulled the pin on a krak grenade and and jammed it between the armour plates on his shoulder the blast severed the commanders arm fortunatly radecs rebreather saved him from the brunt of the blast he crawled toward the downed commander seeing he was still alive radec pulled his combat knife out and jammed it in his eye socket the tau leaderless fell back and were eventually driven off planet.

Mael radec WS 4 BS 5 S 3 T 3 I 3 W 3 Ld10 Sv 4+
Wargear power sword, carapace armour force field Reaver
Reaver: Radecs personal revolver gifted to him after the battler of vetka city this poweful handgun fires hollowpoint rounds with a plasma core capable of rending the thickest armour useless
Reaver: S4 Ap 2 pistol 12inch
Special rules. Senoir officer hero of helghan old wounds master tactician
Hero of helghan: all units within 12 inch of radec are fearless
old wounds: radec has never trusted the imperium since they abondoned him lord commisars may not be used in an army with radec
Master tactician: after both players have set up the IG player may re posistion D3 + 1 units if fighting tau it becomes D3+2
Eternal hatred: Radec despises the tau his unit and all those within 24 inch have the prefered enemy special rule (tau)

Massive killzone rip i know but i do love radec

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Anyways I hate to lay down hate on fluff two times in a row but the Tau are a very young race who has evolved very, very quickly. It is highly unlikely that from the time they took the world to what we consider "present time" in 40k that they would be able to rebuild. Let alone have the tools to build much of anything. Also, the time it takes humans to evolve or adapt to certain drastic changes, such as the ash you mentioned, would most likely kill them hundreds of years before they could adapt. Although I will admit that it is more original than most of the fluff here. "Commander blahblah was Chapter Master at age 5 and killed Gre ater Daemons barehanded while still in his diapers" seems like a familiar story from most of the other characters. I'd patch it up by saying the Imperium sent supplies but never any military aide. Perhaps?

And most of all.... Why even bother with Prefered Enemy: Tau? Even a basic guardsman can probably take out a squad of fire warriors!
I know, I know. Kroot and Battlesuits can kill stuff in melee, but I can still jest at it, no?

How many points is radec meant to be?
Is he an independant Character or an upgrade of some sort?
Depending on points, one assumes that the entire force will be Helghastian renegades, and in that case simply confering Prefered Enemy: Tau Empire to your whole force may not be unreasonable (especially being as guard, facing tau, neither of you are likely to be charging the enemy).
I'd also remove 'Eternal Hatred', having 'Old Wounds' confer the Perfered Enemy: Tau Empire rule as well as prohibiting the use of commisars.

Also - Tau oppression? I suppose from the view of radical imperials it would be... but nevermind. Tau tend not to live all that long, generally not for more than 40ish years, and it'll take them at least 30 years to make it to the rank of O (commander), then only a few years after that they can retire, so 20 years later he's probably retired or dead. Also only 20 years is a really fast pace for cities to be made, and enough infrastructure to send ships and armies on a full blown invasion (unless those terrible Tau sent them off with enough base resources / prefab to get going )

ANYWAY:
Updated version of my Tau Commander Sorrow, including fluff, rules and a picture

O'R'ashmya - Commander Mourning Sorrow

Id have him as an upgrade in a CCS i not sure on points like id probs say between kell and straken. The history is dicey like i wanted o make him an original exile but i could just have him born on helghan a hunndred or so years later and be taught to hate the tau i suppose the eternal hatred thing does not work i might give him a unique order instead just not sure what yet


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Also i can explain all the plot holes warp storms for the win :-D

IMO, There's nothing wrong with giving Prefered Enemy: Tau Empire, especially being both forces shy from CC.

I like the grotesque theme excellent idea but why bother with th 6+ save when he has 3+ and 5++ ?

one's default gear, the other is wargear, it'll matter against entropic strike and shieldbreaker rounds! XD

Since none of you fools can make a decent character I have decided to grace you with my special character:

Imperial Guard

5 points. HQ selection, does not take up FOC space but may be taken as the mandatory HQ choice, and does not count towards kill points.

Commander All Y'all
WS: 6 BS: 4 S: 4 T:5 W: 4 I: 6 A: 1 LD: 11 SV: -

Wargear: The Emperor's Twinkie, Customized Pintle Hand, Lasgun crotch, close combat weapon, frag grenades, Ed hardy tshirt.

The Emperor's Twinkie: Works just like the Deathstrike missile found on page 55 of the codex except that it may be fired once every turn with unlimited shots. It also is Barrage, Pinning, Rending, Assault 1. In addition to these effects, whenever an opponent looses a model to this attack you may give him a wedgie (Once per turn)

Customized Pintle Hand: Having the amazing ingenuity that he does he insisted that the Techpriest Engineseers must graft the excess pintle-mounted weapons from a Chimera onto his hand. The adepts of Mars did so at once, seeing the ingenuity of doing so and crafted it the most powerful ammunition available. This weapon may be fired in addition to all other weapons:
Range: 0.5" to 120" S: 6 AP: 1 Melta, Pistol 6

Lasgun Crotch: Commander All Y'all also wanted everyone to know he has the biggest "gentlemen parts" in the solar system, so he has secured a genital mounted lasgun. This weapon has the profile of a normal lasgun from the Imperial Guard Codex but everytime it is fired the controlling player must also mention about how big own junk is. If your opponent or any observers make comments such as "You wish!" or "You're just compensating!" you have the right to hit him in the head with a pipe wrench (which has been included in the kit when purchased).

Ed Hardy Tshirt: this does not confer an armor save, but rather gives all of your opponent(s)'s models Preferred Enemy: Commander All Y'all

Special Rules: Feel No Pain, Independent Character, Fleet, Fearless, Eternal Douchebag (See: Eternal Warrior),
UHMURICA! YEAH!: At anytime the controlling player may insist that all people in the immediate vacinity stop and listen to him as he sings a song about the amazingness of Commander All Y'all's home country, Uhmurica.

Screw this! I'm too cool for this ! I'M OUT!: At no point in the game may Commander All Y'all be deployed onto the field of play

I wear my sunglasses at night: Commander All Y'all does not suffer any penalties from Night Fighting.

"This is like, top secret man.": You may choose to not show or explain any of these rules to your opponent. If he keeps asking, make sure that you call him a pussy and make him drink one can or bottle of the worst, watered down beer available lest his manhood be in question.


Fluff:


Picture here, if you're man enough to look. Still a WIP.


don't get too jelly.

Deadshot wrote:No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no!


Carnifexes are not passive lurkers, like gaunts or Lictors. Once Hive Mind connections are severed, it goes into an unstoppable rampage that only a Baneblade or Fortress could withstand. Maybe. And a Boy could never in a million, trillion, a killion years would ever be able to kill, let alone chain up and lead around, a carnifex. I don't care how much jest or alcohol went into this. This is idiotic.

But I already have a WIP model...

felixander wrote:

Spoiler:

Commander All Y'all
WS: 6 BS: 4 S: 4 T:5 W: 4 I: 6 A: 1 LD: 11 SV: -

Wargear: The Emperor's Twinkie, Customized Pintle Hand, Lasgun crotch, close combat weapon, frag grenades, Ed hardy tshirt.

The Emperor's Twinkie: Works just like the Deathstrike missile found on page 55 of the codex except that it may be fired once every turn with unlimited shots. It also is Barrage, Pinning, Rending, Assault 1. In addition to these effects, whenever an opponent looses a model to this attack you may give him a wedgie (Once per turn)

Customized Pintle Hand: Having the amazing ingenuity that he does he insisted that the Techpriest Engineseers must graft the excess pintle-mounted weapons from a Chimera onto his hand. The adepts of Mars did so at once, seeing the ingenuity of doing so and crafted it the most powerful ammunition available. This weapon may be fired in addition to all other weapons:
Range: 0.5" to 120" S: 6 AP: 1 Melta, Pistol 6

Lasgun Crotch: Commander All Y'all also wanted everyone to know he has the biggest "gentlemen parts" in the solar system, so he has secured a genital mounted lasgun. This weapon has the profile of a normal lasgun from the Imperial Guard Codex but everytime it is fired the controlling player must also mention about how big own junk is. If your opponent or any observers make comments such as "You wish!" or "You're just compensating!" you have the right to hit him in the head with a pipe wrench (which has been included in the kit when purchased).

Ed Hardy Tshirt: this does not confer an armor save, but rather gives all of your opponent(s)'s models Preferred Enemy: Commander All Y'all

Special Rules: Feel No Pain, Independent Character, Fleet, Fearless, Eternal Douchebag (See: Eternal Warrior),
UHMURICA! YEAH!: At anytime the controlling player may insist that all people in the immediate vacinity stop and listen to him as he sings a song about the amazingness of Commander All Y'all's home country, Uhmurica.

Screw this! I'm too cool for this ! I'M OUT!: At no point in the game may Commander All Y'all be deployed onto the field of play

I wear my sunglasses at night: Commander All Y'all does not suffer any penalties from Night Fighting.

"This is like, top secret man.": You may choose to not show or explain any of these rules to your opponent. If he keeps asking, make sure that you call him a pussy and make him drink one can or bottle of the worst, watered down beer available lest his manhood be in question.


Fluff:
Commander All Y'all is awesome.

Picture here, if you're man enough to look. Still a WIP.


don't get too jelly.

For those of you who cant understand this:
Pretty much an Imperial Guard Commissar who is tougher than usual but has no save and has some wierd wargear.

Deadshot wrote:No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no!


Carnifexes are not passive lurkers, like gaunts or Lictors. Once Hive Mind connections are severed, it goes into an unstoppable rampage that only a Baneblade or Fortress could withstand. Maybe. And a Boy could never in a million, trillion, a killion years would ever be able to kill, let alone chain up and lead around, a carnifex. I don't care how much jest or alcohol went into this. This is idiotic.

Actually, what if something came between the Hive Mind and the Carnifex, both severing it's link and replacing it with its own? Something like this was done in Starcraft with Hive Mind Emitters. It basically replaces the Overmind/Kerrigans link to that Zerg creature and allow the controller of the Emitter to command the Zerg creature.

Considering how random the Orks are, I wouldn't be surprised if this both happened on accident and worked because the orks believed it would.

Fluffy could quite easily be controlled by "Da 'Ive Mind!" courtesty of large metal probes being inserted into its brain, and the other end into a Mek (or Doc)'s Brain, mounted on its back with some gubbinz! In a beautiful mashing of Ork and Beast that no mother could love. Not that either has an excess of brain matter to share but combined it'd be deadly (or eat alot of fungus)

or orks...

Fluffy's mind: "I wunda wot a ork taste like wen av shot it wiv ma shooty-fing?"

Thats all part of the fun, lose 12 boyz but wipe out the enemy? All's good.

Melcavuk wrote:Fluffy could quite easily be controlled by "Da 'Ive Mind!" courtesty of large metal probes being inserted into its brain, and the other end into a Mek (or Doc)'s Brain, mounted on its back with some gubbinz! In a beautiful mashing of Ork and Beast that no mother could love. Not that either has an excess of brain matter to share but combined it'd be deadly (or eat alot of fungus)

I just got a mental picture of a Carnifex with a hat and a large antenna sticking out of it, and a Mekboy riding it with a similar hat and antenna.

IHateNids wrote:

felixander wrote:

Spoiler:

Commander All Y'all
WS: 6 BS: 4 S: 4 T:5 W: 4 I: 6 A: 1 LD: 11 SV: -

Wargear: The Emperor's Twinkie, Customized Pintle Hand, Lasgun crotch, close combat weapon, frag grenades, Ed hardy tshirt.

The Emperor's Twinkie: Works just like the Deathstrike missile found on page 55 of the codex except that it may be fired once every turn with unlimited shots. It also is Barrage, Pinning, Rending, Assault 1. In addition to these effects, whenever an opponent looses a model to this attack you may give him a wedgie (Once per turn)

Customized Pintle Hand: Having the amazing ingenuity that he does he insisted that the Techpriest Engineseers must graft the excess pintle-mounted weapons from a Chimera onto his hand. The adepts of Mars did so at once, seeing the ingenuity of doing so and crafted it the most powerful ammunition available. This weapon may be fired in addition to all other weapons:
Range: 0.5" to 120" S: 6 AP: 1 Melta, Pistol 6

Lasgun Crotch: Commander All Y'all also wanted everyone to know he has the biggest "gentlemen parts" in the solar system, so he has secured a genital mounted lasgun. This weapon has the profile of a normal lasgun from the Imperial Guard Codex but everytime it is fired the controlling player must also mention about how big own junk is. If your opponent or any observers make comments such as "You wish!" or "You're just compensating!" you have the right to hit him in the head with a pipe wrench (which has been included in the kit when purchased).

Ed Hardy Tshirt: this does not confer an armor save, but rather gives all of your opponent(s)'s models Preferred Enemy: Commander All Y'all

Special Rules: Feel No Pain, Independent Character, Fleet, Fearless, Eternal Douchebag (See: Eternal Warrior),
UHMURICA! YEAH!: At anytime the controlling player may insist that all people in the immediate vacinity stop and listen to him as he sings a song about the amazingness of Commander All Y'all's home country, Uhmurica.

Screw this! I'm too cool for this ! I'M OUT!: At no point in the game may Commander All Y'all be deployed onto the field of play

I wear my sunglasses at night: Commander All Y'all does not suffer any penalties from Night Fighting.

"This is like, top secret man.": You may choose to not show or explain any of these rules to your opponent. If he keeps asking, make sure that you call him a pussy and make him drink one can or bottle of the worst, watered down beer available lest his manhood be in question.


Fluff:
Commander All Y'all is awesome.

Picture here, if you're man enough to look. Still a WIP.


don't get too jelly.

For those of you who cant understand this:
Pretty much an Imperial Guard Commissar who is tougher than usual but has no save and has some wierd wargear.

And has a Deathsrike missile with unlimited shots...
I don't think so...

In regards to Fluffy, perhaps that boy had just a smidgin of psychic power, manifesting in the form of a very weak synapse-like aura. to weak to take a nid away from the hivemind, but strong enough to hold on to one who was already disconnected?

purplefood wrote:

IHateNids wrote:

felixander wrote:

Spoiler:

Commander All Y'all
WS: 6 BS: 4 S: 4 T:5 W: 4 I: 6 A: 1 LD: 11 SV: -

Wargear: The Emperor's Twinkie, Customized Pintle Hand, Lasgun crotch, close combat weapon, frag grenades, Ed hardy tshirt.

The Emperor's Twinkie: Works just like the Deathstrike missile found on page 55 of the codex except that it may be fired once every turn with unlimited shots. It also is Barrage, Pinning, Rending, Assault 1. In addition to these effects, whenever an opponent looses a model to this attack you may give him a wedgie (Once per turn)

Customized Pintle Hand: Having the amazing ingenuity that he does he insisted that the Techpriest Engineseers must graft the excess pintle-mounted weapons from a Chimera onto his hand. The adepts of Mars did so at once, seeing the ingenuity of doing so and crafted it the most powerful ammunition available. This weapon may be fired in addition to all other weapons:
Range: 0.5" to 120" S: 6 AP: 1 Melta, Pistol 6

Lasgun Crotch: Commander All Y'all also wanted everyone to know he has the biggest "gentlemen parts" in the solar system, so he has secured a genital mounted lasgun. This weapon has the profile of a normal lasgun from the Imperial Guard Codex but everytime it is fired the controlling player must also mention about how big own junk is. If your opponent or any observers make comments such as "You wish!" or "You're just compensating!" you have the right to hit him in the head with a pipe wrench (which has been included in the kit when purchased).

Ed Hardy Tshirt: this does not confer an armor save, but rather gives all of your opponent(s)'s models Preferred Enemy: Commander All Y'all

Special Rules: Feel No Pain, Independent Character, Fleet, Fearless, Eternal Douchebag (See: Eternal Warrior),
UHMURICA! YEAH!: At anytime the controlling player may insist that all people in the immediate vacinity stop and listen to him as he sings a song about the amazingness of Commander All Y'all's home country, Uhmurica.

Screw this! I'm too cool for this ! I'M OUT!: At no point in the game may Commander All Y'all be deployed onto the field of play

I wear my sunglasses at night: Commander All Y'all does not suffer any penalties from Night Fighting.

"This is like, top secret man.": You may choose to not show or explain any of these rules to your opponent. If he keeps asking, make sure that you call him a pussy and make him drink one can or bottle of the worst, watered down beer available lest his manhood be in question.


Fluff:
Commander All Y'all is awesome.

Picture here, if you're man enough to look. Still a WIP.


don't get too jelly.

For those of you who cant understand this:
Pretty much an Imperial Guard Commissar who is tougher than usual but has no save and has some wierd wargear.

And has a Deathsrike missile with unlimited shots...
I don't think so...

To be honest, if you notice it has a rule that says it cannot be deployed. Being its rules make it a 5pt penalty in a model taht cannot be placed on the field... xD

felixander wrote:Since none of you fools can make a decent character I have decided to grace you with my special character:

Imperial Guard

5 points. HQ selection, does not take up FOC space but may be taken as the mandatory HQ choice, and does not count towards kill points.

Commander All Y'all
WS: 6 BS: 4 S: 4 T:5 W: 4 I: 6 A: 1 LD: 11 SV: -

Wargear: The Emperor's Twinkie, Customized Pintle Hand, Lasgun crotch, close combat weapon, frag grenades, Ed hardy tshirt.

The Emperor's Twinkie: Works just like the Deathstrike missile found on page 55 of the codex except that it may be fired once every turn with unlimited shots. It also is Barrage, Pinning, Rending, Assault 1. In addition to these effects, whenever an opponent looses a model to this attack you may give him a wedgie (Once per turn)

Customized Pintle Hand: Having the amazing ingenuity that he does he insisted that the Techpriest Engineseers must graft the excess pintle-mounted weapons from a Chimera onto his hand. The adepts of Mars did so at once, seeing the ingenuity of doing so and crafted it the most powerful ammunition available. This weapon may be fired in addition to all other weapons:
Range: 0.5" to 120" S: 6 AP: 1 Melta, Pistol 6

Lasgun Crotch: Commander All Y'all also wanted everyone to know he has the biggest "gentlemen parts" in the solar system, so he has secured a genital mounted lasgun. This weapon has the profile of a normal lasgun from the Imperial Guard Codex but everytime it is fired the controlling player must also mention about how big own junk is. If your opponent or any observers make comments such as "You wish!" or "You're just compensating!" you have the right to hit him in the head with a pipe wrench (which has been included in the kit when purchased).

Ed Hardy Tshirt: this does not confer an armor save, but rather gives all of your opponent(s)'s models Preferred Enemy: Commander All Y'all

Special Rules: Feel No Pain, Independent Character, Fleet, Fearless, Eternal Douchebag (See: Eternal Warrior),
UHMURICA! YEAH!: At anytime the controlling player may insist that all people in the immediate vacinity stop and listen to him as he sings a song about the amazingness of Commander All Y'all's home country, Uhmurica.

Screw this! I'm too cool for this ! I'M OUT!: At no point in the game may Commander All Y'all be deployed onto the field of play

I wear my sunglasses at night: Commander All Y'all does not suffer any penalties from Night Fighting.

"This is like, top secret man.": You may choose to not show or explain any of these rules to your opponent. If he keeps asking, make sure that you call him a pussy and make him drink one can or bottle of the worst, watered down beer available lest his manhood be in question.


Fluff:

Spoiler:

Commander All Y'all is awesome.

Picture here, if you're man enough to look. Still a WIP.


don't get too jelly.

lol

Allright im new to this (and 40k as a whole) so bear with me if this doesnt make sense and or it just plain sucks.

Captain Crimson Novem of the ranger division, 5th company, Blades of the wasteland chapter.

WS BS S T W I A LD SV
6 5 4 4 3 5 2 10 +3


Wargear: Powerfist, iron halo, "Red Death" custom Storm bolter.
Special Rule's: And they shall know no fear, Combat tactics, independent character, Open fire, Rangers lead the way, Company tactics


Red Death bolter: A special bolter that the ranger company had passed down from captain to captain. Novem can fire the bolter on the run in the heat of battle or slow practised shots with a high rate of fire that forces him to use his power fist to control well.

It is fired with the following profile:

Range Str AP type
Red Death: assault: 24" 4 4 Assault 4
Red Death Heavy 30" 4 4 Heavy 6

Special rule: Open fire: Once per game, Novem can direct the fire of his astartes. Take a leadership test, and if sucessful, place a large blast template over the target, any astartes shooting at that unit can either fire at ballistic skill 5

Company tactics: The 5th company is largely composed of sternguard as shock troopers. They count as scouring units.

Rangers lead the way: if Novem is with a sternguard squad, they all gain an extra shot in rapid fire, Vengance rounds do not get hot.


Hope this isnt OP

1: No points value. It needs one.

2: The Storm Bolter there seems a bit much, Making it straight Assault 3 / Heavy 4 would probably be better.
(Also, slow practiced shots at a high rate of fire makes little sense, spray and pray OR slow targeted.)

3: +1 shot in rapid fire range is... ok if pointed well enough, but removing gets hot? that seems a bit much.

4: Does the large blast scatter? the unit shooting can either fire at BS5 or?? and I assume it's only for that turn, not 'any unit under the template permamently has a target on his forehead'?

Colonel Abrick Knells of the 182nd Ebon Hawks Regiment, commander of an urban Harkoni Warhawks detatchment. **Drop Troops Only; Please consult Imperial Armor 8 for the Drop Troops Army List**

Colonel Abrick Knells inherited the 182nd Ebon Hawks after a bitter loss of their previous commander and his command staff, when they had landed in a Necrontyr Minefield. While familiar with the Phantine Regiments of reknown, Knells maintains a grasp of battlefield command, and possess a quick mind required when dropping into enemy held territory.

His tactical acumen became famous among Imperial Generals during the invasion of Mordia, when three platoons under his command destroyed the ammunition dumps feeding the traitors defense at the Tetrarcal Palace, allowing the Mordians to storm the battlements. He avenged his predecessors deaths by aiding Grand Marshal Helbrecht in eradicating a Necron Tomb World. For his valour and dedication to eradicate the xenos, Helbrecht gifted Knells the Black Talon; a Master-Crafted Storm Bolter that became synonymous with the Colonels growing reputation.

Colonel Knells - 70 Points, Replaces the Company Commander of a Company Command Squad. The Company Command Squad can purchase upgrades for the Squad as normal. Colonel Knells cannot purchase additional wargear.

He can issue up to two orders and has access to all the Senior Officer's Orders. Get back in the fight! is replaced by Covering Fire!

WS: 4, BS: 5, T: 3, I: 3, W: 3, Ld: 9, Sv: +4

Wargear: The Black Talon: A Master-Crafted Storm Bolter, Chainsword, Carapace Armor, Refractor Field, Homing Beacon, Melta Bombs.

Special Rules:

Covering Fire! - Colonel Knells' had commanded hundreds of drops into ruined and besigned cities and fortifications and his experience in covering his troopers as they land is second to none.

If the order is successful, choose an enemy unit visible to Colonel Knells. The ordered unit gains the Pinning Special rule for the current Shooting Phase and immediately shoots the nominated target. The target suffers a -1 to their pinning check, demonstrating the enemy becoming overwhelmed by massed gunfire.


Master Vox Network - Colonel Knells' Regiment is supported by a massive array of Vox Nets both in space and using enemy Vox Towers for their own personal use, creating a reliable communication array for the Regiment.

If Colonel Knells Command Squad has a Vox Set, Colonel Knells can issue orders up to 36" regardless of line of sight, if the unit recieving the order also has a Vox Set.


The first wave: Colonel Knells Command Squad and a Troop Choice of your choosing must deep strike first turn, even if their embarked in a vehicle. If Colonel Knells is on the battlefield, add +1 to your reserve rolls.

Actually this idea is kind of interesting. I making this up as I go. Tell me what you guys think. If I can balance right I maybe to use him in purely friendly games with a few of my friends.

Anyways he is based off an upgraded Lord Commissar (he himself is not a Lord though)


Commissar Galdos is an orphaned Cadian who went through the Schola Progenium and learned under the Hero of the Imperium, Ciaphas Cain. Cain taught his cadets the value of keeping one's men alive, a lesson Galdos took to heart. Galdos prefers to appeal to the soldiers sense of Duty and Honor instead of harsh punishments. Galdos shows his loyalty to his men by treating every soldier as a valued warrior of the Imperium. Believing strongely in the Imperial Guard's duty to defend the Imperium, Galdos has led more rescue missions than any other officer in the army group he is attached too. The knowledge that Galdos will return for anyone, soldier or civilian, has inspired the men and caused them to put great trust in the Commissar.

He understands the difference of holding the line through soldier sacrifice and wasting the lives of soldiers. As such Galdos has no trouble in ordering a retreat knowing that he will simply be falling back to prepare for a different way to achieve victory. Having been attached to the 812th Cadian Infantry Regiment and its "sister" regiment the Cadian 317th Armoured Regiment for his entire career, Galdos has earned a tight bond with the soldiers of the brigade. His very presence on the front line is enough to inspire his soldiers to continue fighting all that much harder knowing that this is the critical location of the battle.

Through the course of his career, Galdos has seen officers of the reigment fall, either wounded or killed in action. In each case Galdos will immediately step up and take command of the force before a break down in the chain of command is noticed. Galdos has stepped up and take command of everything from an Armoured Fist Squad to the 812th Regiment on one occasion when Eldar warriors were able to critical injure the commander and kill several members of his command squad.

Commissar Galdos
WS 5
BS 5
S 3
T 3
W 3
I 3
LD 10
SV 5+


Wargear:
Flak Armor, Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Frag and Krak Grenades, Refractor Field (May Upgrade To Carapace Armor for +10, Power Sword for +10, Power Fist for +15, or a Plasma Pistol for +10 points)

Special Rules:
Independent Character
Inspirational Hero (Yarrick's move)
Aura of Discipline
Officer Material - Galdos has an excellent understanding of combat tactics having proven himself countless times when he has taken the place of fallen or wounded officers inside of the regiment. After all other orders have been issued, Galdos can attempt to issue a single order. He can use "Bring it Down!" and "Fire on my Target" as well as "FRFSRF", "Incoming!" and "Move! Move! Move!" with a 6" Command Radius

I am taking Command - Should the Company Commander be removed as a casulty for any reason, Galdos takes command of the Company replacing his "Officer Material" Special Rule with "Senior Officer" as found in the Imperial Guard Codex


Now is where Im having trouble, points. He is literally a Lord Commissar with Yarricks Inspirational Hero and the ability to be a slightly better junior officer or be a senior officer if I lose mine.
A Lord Commissar is 70 pts
Yarrick 185

Im thinking between 90 and 120?

I don't play Guard but 130pts sounds about right (going along with the slightly overcosted and underpowered approach that will get you able to use him more often)

Ovion wrote:1: No points value. It needs one.

2: The Storm Bolter there seems a bit much, Making it straight Assault 3 / Heavy 4 would probably be better.
(Also, slow practiced shots at a high rate of fire makes little sense, spray and pray OR slow targeted.)

3: +1 shot in rapid fire range is... ok if pointed well enough, but removing gets hot? that seems a bit much.

4: Does the large blast scatter? the unit shooting can either fire at BS5 or?? and I assume it's only for that turn, not 'any unit under the template permamently has a target on his forehead'?

In response to this I'll change it around to make sense.

Allright im new to this (and 40k as a whole) so bear with me if this doesnt make sense and or it just plain sucks.

Captain Crimson Novem of the ranger division, 5th company, Blades of the wasteland chapter. 200pts

WS BS S T W I A LD SV
6 5 4 4 3 5 2 10 +3


Wargear: Powerfist, iron halo, "Red Death" custom Storm bolter.
Special Rule's: And they shall know no fear, Combat tactics, independent character, Open fire, Rangers lead the way, Company tactics


Red Death bolter: A special bolter that the ranger company had passed down from captain to captain. Novem can fire the bolter on the run in the heat of battle or make better shots with a high rate of fire that forces him to use his power fist to control well.

It is fired with the following profile:

Range Str AP type
Red Death: assault: 24" 5 4 Assault 3
Red Death Heavy 30" 5 4 Heavy 4

Special rule: Open fire: Once per game, Novem can direct the fire of his astartes. Take a leadership test, and if sucessful, place a large blast template over the target, any astartes shooting at that unit can fire at ballistic skill 5 for one turn, template doesnt scatter.

Company tactics: The 5th company is largely composed of sternguard as shock troopers. They count as scouring units.

Rangers lead the way: if Novem is with a sternguard squad, they all gain an extra shot in rapid fire. If facing the forces of chaos or other space marines, All of thier special ammunition dops by one AP point (I.E. kraken rounds drop from ap 4 to ap 3 and vengance rounds drop from ap 3 to ap 2)



hope this is better

I've worked on some new background for Fluffy.

After a monumental defeat of a Tyranid Hive Fleet on the Orkoid planet of Fervin, many Tyranid Organisms still remained in the various manufactorums and refineries of the ex-Forge world. Amongst these was a massive Carnifex, kept in an entranced state by the powerful fields generated by "Da Big 'Un", a huge plasma generator that powered the gargant fields where Meks built gigantic idols of Gork and Mork, complete with all the dakka they could fix on. By all normal logic, the generator should have killed everything within a 50 mile radius in an earth-shaking explosion. Nevertheless, Ork ingenuity had surpassed this minor difficulty somehow.

One day, an Ork named Deffgob stumbled across the giant Tyranid. After poking it several times with a stick and feeding it a passing Squig, he chained him up and led him to his ranch, where he intended to train him as a Mek-Pit Brawler. The tradition of Mek-Pit Brawling had long been part of the culture of the planet, seeing it's abundance of Meks and bits to be looted. The sport involved pretty much welding pieces of metal and other gubbinz together to make a walker body for an Ork, which is then used to beat other such creations into a pile of scrap metal. The main economy of teef thrived around the sport, and there was one particular event , "Da Crumper Cup", which often ended with a big payout for the battered and bruised winner, and several broken bones and torn organs for the losers.

After a few "modifikations", Deffgob's Carnifex was ready. He had named it Fluffy, as that was a traditional 'umie name for a pet. The beast managed to kill several Ork pilots during his brawls, and had earned Deffgob several hundred teef in a week. Deffgob rode on the back of Fluffy, controlling him using the reins that Deffgob had bolted to the walls of his mouth. Pretty soon Fluffy was out performing every other Mek fighter in the area. However, Deffgob still wanted more teef.

After major kustomization, Fluffy was entirely different. No longer did he fight with the massive claws that he was found with, rather he had a massive, serrated saw fused into his arm. Another was replaced with a large cannon that pulsed with unknown powers. He had a power unit implanted into his spine, and various gubbinz and wires protruded from his carapace. The most important piece of all was a device that produced waves like "Da Big 'Un", which could be switched off at the rider's will should he want to let loose all hell. After this, Fluffy went to "Da Crumper Cup". Unsurprisingly, the sheer power of Fluffy helped win many brawls, but now that the enthralling waves were gone, he was practically unstoppable. He destroyed several fighters in a lance of green light. He cleaved others in two with a Buzzsaw. All that remained after the Cup was Fluffy, Deffgob, scrap metal and sand.

Fluffy is now being used in the Waaaaagh! of Mek Grimtoof. And if you ever find yourself in his sights, you'd better pray. Because no weapon, human or alien, can stay his wrath.

I dunno, a railgun would still give him a headache

IHateNids wrote:I dunno, a railgun would still give him a headache

I didn't stay he was unstopable. Wrath = Angry. Headache = Angry = Wrath

Alright, why not:

Warboss RahRut , Uniter of the Waaaaagh!

WS/5 BS/2 S/5 T/5 W/3 I/4 LD/9 SV/4+ PTS/165

Wargear:
Da FlameBelcha
Da Excalibah!
Eavy armour

Special Rules:
The united Waaaagh!!

FlameBelcha: The flamebelcha (Designed by Remnil himself) is a powerful handheld flame cannon, it releases a large, powerful blast that showers the enemy in debris, but at a very short distance.
The flame belcha has the following stats
S/5 AP/- Range/10" Assault 1, blast

Da Excalibah!: RahRut claims that the Excalibah was a gift from Gork and Mork himself. It is an all-powerful, monstrously large chainsword.
Da Excalibah! is a Power weapon that gives RahRut an bonus attack and +2 strength

Special Rules:
The United Waaagh!
The orks in RahRut's Waaagh are so dedicated to what they belive in, a united Clan that they are blind of any previous dedications, life means nothing! For Gork 'n Mork!
The united Waaagh! May be called once per game, it gives all ork units (including grots) the fearless rule


Remnil, The Brain of Gork and Mork

WS/2 BS/4 S/2 T/3 W/2 I/2 LD/9 SV/- PTS/175 (stats not including the DCA)

Wargear:
Protective shields
Obliterator cannon
Staff of conquest
The DCA (Defensive Combat Armour)

Special rules:
Ready, Aim, Fire!


Protective shields: Desiged by Remnil, and crafted on an alien world, these shields are able to deflect even the most mighty of weapons
The protective shields confer to a 3+ invulnerable save
The obliterator cannon: crafted by over 50 meks and Remnil himself is a deadly cannon of destruction, it has been known to slay entire platoons of imperial guard in a few minutes
The obliterator cannon is a piece of artillery with the following stats:
S/5 AP/2 Range/45" Heavy1 Large blast

Staff of conquest: The staff is a strange, unknown device, it was uncovered by Remnil on a dead world during his voyages with Rahrut. It causes powerful hallucinations in non-ork species
To use the staff of Conquest, choose any unit within 12" of Remnil, any model firing at Remnil or his squad must take a leadership test, if failed, the unit is brought down to BS2. It may be used only once per turn

DCA: The DCA is a thick suit of armor, similar to those donned by space marines
It gives a +1 strength to both strength and toughness and gives Remnil a +2 save

Ready, Aim, Fire:
Remnil is a Master tactician able to sway stupidity out of a mere ork's head, should he try.
Remnil may issue the command once per turn. In the movement phase, Do a leadership test on the model with the highst LD besides remnil, should he past, the unit he is with may not move. The following shooting phase, all guns in his unit are heavy 1, but all models gain +1 BS. Since grots and RahRut are slightly more reverent towards Remnil, he does not have to do a leadership test to issue the order.

Remnil does not take up an HQ slot should he be taken with RahRut, since the two almost always fight together



Gonna write fluff later, basically its a supersmart grot and his best friend, a warboss, who seek to unite all the clans under a single Waaagh

drop the 2+ or the grot down to a 5+ and then I'd happily fight against the duo

DAWARBOSS wrote:Alright, why not:

Warboss RahRut , Uniter of the Waaaaagh!

Spoiler:

WS/5 BS/2 S/5 T/5 W/3 I/4 LD/9 SV/4+ PTS/165

Wargear:
Da FlameBelcha
Da Excalibah!
Eavy armour

Special Rules:
The united Waaaagh!!

FlameBelcha: The flamebelcha (Designed by Remnil himself) is a powerful handheld flame cannon, it releases a large, powerful blast that showers the enemy in debris, but at a very short distance.
The flame belcha has the following stats
S/5 AP/- Range/10" Assault 1, blast

Da Excalibah!: RahRut claims that the Excalibah was a gift from Gork and Mork himself. It is an all-powerful, monstrously large chainsword.
Da Excalibah! is a Power weapon that gives RahRut an bonus attack and +2 strength

Special Rules:
The United Waaagh!
The orks in RahRut's Waaagh are so dedicated to what they belive in, a united Clan that they are blind of any previous dedications, life means nothing! For Gork 'n Mork!
The united Waaagh! May be called once per game, it gives all ork units (including grots) the fearless rule


Remnil, The Brain of Gork and Mork

WS/2 BS/4 S/2 T/3 W/2 I/2 LD/9 SV/- PTS/175 (stats not including the DCA)

Wargear:
Protective shields
Obliterator cannon
Staff of conquest
The DCA (Defensive Combat Armour)

Special rules:
Ready, Aim, Fire!


Protective shields: Desiged by Remnil, and crafted on an alien world, these shields are able to deflect even the most mighty of weapons
The protective shields confer to a 3+ invulnerable save
The obliterator cannon: crafted by over 50 meks and Remnil himself is a deadly cannon of destruction, it has been known to slay entire platoons of imperial guard in a few minutes
The obliterator cannon is a piece of artillery with the following stats:
S/5 AP/2 Range/45" Heavy1 Large blast

Staff of conquest: The staff is a strange, unknown device, it was uncovered by Remnil on a dead world during his voyages with Rahrut. It causes powerful hallucinations in non-ork species
To use the staff of Conquest, choose any unit within 12" of Remnil, any model firing at Remnil or his squad must take a leadership test, if failed, the unit is brought down to BS2. It may be used only once per turn

DCA: The DCA is a thick suit of armor, similar to those donned by space marines
It gives a +1 strength to both strength and toughness and gives Remnil a +2 save

Ready, Aim, Fire:
Remnil is a Master tactician able to sway stupidity out of a mere ork's head, should he try.
Remnil may issue the command once per turn. In the movement phase, Do a leadership test on the model with the highst LD besides remnil, should he past, the unit he is with may not move. The following shooting phase, all guns in his unit are heavy 1, but all models gain +1 BS. Since grots and RahRut are slightly more reverent towards Remnil, he does not have to do a leadership test to issue the order.

Remnil does not take up an HQ slot should he be taken with RahRut, since the two almost always fight together

Gonna write fluff later, basically its a supersmart grot and his best friend, a warboss, who seek to unite all the clans under a single Waaagh

Isn't that just Ghrazkull from 2nd Edition? He had an awesome gretchin (yes Gretchin, not Grot!) buddy with a 2++ from being extra lucky. Though the gretchin lacked the supersmart wargear, so definitely not a ripoff, just struck a familiar cord.

As for wargear I think S8 Power on the charge is a bit much, but he has only a 4+ with no ++. Maybe for fluffiness make a rule that on a Big Mek or Weirdboy may take the other HQ slot to show his push to reunite the clans (where as Ghaz is all about conquering the galaxy and all the orks just so happen to want to follow him). It would make it more fluffy, I guess it depends on how important your fluff is. I know in the character I posted it's very important that I follow the fluff to a T.

Overall I think the grot is pretty crazy, though I'm assuming they're both supposed to be ICs, but so long as the DCA is wargear his ID is against S6 weapons, which aren't that uncommon to one shot him. Even so, two bolter rounds can clear him. I think his gun should be watered down as he is a grot and shouldn't be able to move a gun that would be that devastating. Maybe make it S4 AP4 Barrage (as you mentioned it being Artillery) at MOST. I think S4 AP4 would be very surprising for a grot to be able to handle (Imperial guard Manticores fire missiles 3 times the size of a grot and are only AP4, as are Griffons, SM Whirlwinds, etc) and to have a higher AP I would expect it to need either a larger shell or a more technilogically advanced one (fitted with plasma/warp/etc). If you're going to model him as an artillery unit with a immobile gun to have it be reasonably stronger then he should be fielded with an AV like Big Gunz, which would be terribly unbenificial for him. With this you can obviously bring down his cost a good bit.

I like the Grot as he is more unique and makes Flash Gitz viable! I'm all for a character who sincerely makes other styles of play viable and gunline orks are something I'd love to see!

BA only
Captain malgus, the executioner

200 points

WS BS S T W I A LD SV
7 5 4 4 3 5 4 10 2+

Wargeer= Artificer armour, hand flamer, frag and krak grenades, iron halo, jump pack and
Widowmaker- master crafted power weopon.
Special rules = atsknf, unique charecter, fearles, furious charge,
Surgical strike - malgus and his unit do not scater when deep strikng,
8 company captain - Malgus may only join squads with jump packs.
and
Execution - once per asualt phase malgus can sacrfise all his atacks to make one atack with the intant death special rule at WS 8. Malgus picks the target of the atack.

fluf not writen yet.


What do you think? Is he to OP?

it's 'furious' charge, and he has no points vaue. I'm saying no he isn't OP, but I need a points value before I say for definate

He's 200 points.

definatly not OP for 200pts, although now I'm thinking a DS Terminator squad that dosen't scatter is a bit much. possibly make it scatter a d6, like DoA

Doesn't seem OP by any means, but the points cost is what will determine that. Perhaps give him the option to allocate the execution wound. Seems extra fluffy as it would be him picking out the target he deems unworthy and also makes him useful against squads like Ork boyz to take out that Nob or Paladin squads with an Apothecary in it etc

I changed him so he can only join jump pack squads.


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felixander wrote:Doesn't seem OP by any means, but the points cost is what will determine that. Perhaps give him the option to allocate the execution wound. Seems extra fluffy as it would be him picking out the target he deems unworthy and also makes him useful against squads like Ork boyz to take out that Nob or Paladin squads with an Apothecary in it etc

Edit made. Should i reduce the points or keep it the same?

ok then, no scatter it is. I would actually like to face this guy

This guy can be used in any sm force but only one in each army. he has the normal captain options unles stated otherwise.
10th company captain 110 points

WS BS S T W I A LD SV
6 5 4 4 3 5 3 10 4+
Wargeer - the same as normal except scout armour instead of power armour, shotgun instead of boltgun and combat knife instead of bolt pistol and chainsword.
Options -
may exchange shotgun for
boltgun, sniper rifle or bolt pistol. free.
may exchange scout armour for power armour 25 points
may take
camo cloak 3 points
locator beacon 25 points
may NOT take
jump pack
terminator armour


Special rules - all normal and scout, infiltrate, move through cover and

10th company captain - one squad of scouts may be taken for 50 points.

what do you think? is the point cost ok?

yes, but why no upgrades on the 50pt scout squad?

IHateNids wrote:yes, but why no upgrades on the 50pt scout squad?

It was origanaly it doesnt take up foc slot so 10 scouts with power fist, 2 heavy bolters, locator becon, melta bombs and camo cloaks along with 6 other squads felt a bit over the top and i forgot to change it. anyway the edit is made

two characters made, and only minor changes needed on both. You've got a good record so far mate

This is the same using rules as 10th company.

9th company captain 150

WS BS S T W I A LD SV
4 6 4 4 3 4 2 10 3+
Wargear - same as normal but with signum
options
may take any devastator marine weoponry.

special rules - all same except
9th company captain - one squad of devastors can be taken as a troop choice.

Devestators as troops?

You may be pushing it slightly there mind...

IHateNids wrote:Devestators as troops?

You may be pushing it slightly there mind...

Should i up th point cost or change th rule?
150 points or discounted devastators?

150 pts if you want the Devastators as troops

My own Character for my homebrew chapter for deathwatch.

Supreme Grand Master Thanatos-220pts
WS-6 BS-5 S-4T-4 W-4 I-5 A-4 Ld-10 Sv2+/4++

Wargear: Frag & Krak Grenades, Artificer armour, Iron Halo, Mastercrafted storm bolter, The sword of retribuition, Cloak of the Lion.

Special rules: Independent Character, Stubborn, Eternal Warrior, Rites of battle.

The sword of retribution- suitable impressive fluff Is a power weapon that wounds MC on a 4+.

Cloak of the Lion- Made from the silk of super space silk worms it makes the wearer impervious to all but the heaviest weapons, so grants the bearer eternal warrior. Also looks quite good.

And in the spirit of suitable impressive fluff, Thanatos is the current Supreme grand master of the Oracles of Retribution. plans battles with the usually brutal efficiency of those in similar positions as well as having amzing martial prowess.
On a side note, he wrote the beginners guide to surviving the warp, thus far there has only been one purchaser.

IHateNids wrote:150 pts if you want the Devastators as troops

Edit made

The 10th Captain, what most people don't realise, is not an inferior scout. He is more expierianced than any other cause he needs to train and oversee scouts.

Deadshot wrote:The 10th Captain, what most people don't realise, is not an inferior scout. He is more expierianced than any other cause he needs to train and oversee scouts.

I did not realize. I have boosted his stats and increased the points now.

I retooled my FK special character, Making his weapon a bit like GK Halberds and the Chapter Tactics more awesome.


Archknight Arakor, Chapter Master of the Forge Knights..........................................................200 points
Arakor has major two qualities: his almost unnatural affinity for technology and his size. Arakor was almost turned into a servitor shortly after becoming a scout, as he seemed to skinny and weak to be of any use as a soldier. Most of the implants Space Marines receive had been well received by Arakors body, although his musculature and bone structure did not change accordingly, although it did change slightly. What did happen, however, was a slight mental uptick; over time, rather than simply increasing his physical strength, it increased his mental capacity and his reflexes far beyond normal, human limits. Arakor swiftly proved himself to be one of the sharpest and quickest scouts in the Chapter, out-thinking even the Scout Captain on a few occasions. Because of his mental acuity, he was selected to be part of a mission to the Imperial World of Holthar to determine to reason for a sudden communications blackout on a remote testing facility.

It did not take long for the scouts to discover the reason for the blackout. A Dark Eldar raid was in progress, and the Scouts could do nothing about it. They were outnumbered 100 to 1, so all they could do was report what they saw and wait for reinforcements. However, by the time reinforcements arrived, all of the facility workers and scouts were gone.

Arakor and the scouts, being obvious warriors, were sold as slaves to die in the arenas. And die they did, for the most part. At first, the slaves were pitted against each other, the Scouts mercilessly slaughtered the weaker, normal humans that were thrown against them. Arakor, however, held back and attempted to unify the slaves, guessing that this was just one of many trials. After fighting each other, they were set upon by the wyches.

The Wyches tore them apart, as they did with all other slaves they were set against. Arakor fought for what seemed like hours, and in the end, only the Wyches and Arakor remained. Arakor was dragged away and thrown into a cell with a dozen other slaves, where he promptly passed out.

He awoke the next morning (at least, it felt like morning), feeling sore, but also thrilled. Usually, fights ended quickly with Arakor as the victor. But here? Not even close. He finally had a real challenge in his hands. Eventually, Arakor started to keep a mental journal of his fights, noting his performance and how exciting the fight was.

-Day 4- I fought a dozen of these "wyches" today. I also finally found someone who speaks both the Dark Eldar language and high gothic, a inquisitors servant named Phillip. The Wyches died easily, not expecting a human to be on their level. I think they also expect me to know fear, but I don't.

-Day 8- The Arena master threw a dozen more Wyches at me. I wonder if I'm thinning out those Wych Cults as all, since all they seem to do is die. This is boring.

-Day 12- Finally! A new challenge! I am told they are called Hellions, and I am picking up some of their language on my own. I think today's fight would have gone in the Hellions favor had the audience not been so close. The audience seemed to be as thrilled as I was, although the Hellions were less so. I also managed to take one of their weapons. I think I'll keep it, study it's workings.

-Day 16- More beasts, more slaves. Nothing new, nothing fun. It felt like a day off. for one of the fights, I put a blind fold on.

-Day 20- I've picked up more of their language. The Dark Eldar really seem to despise me. Today's fights were against some dishonored Kabalites accused of treason. They seemed better trained than others that I've fought.

-Day 24- They've moved me to a new arena. Something about an Archon getting in good with the Wych Cults. I also spooked the audience today when I began taunting them in their own language. They began throwing things at me, mostly bladed objects. What is it with these people and blades? The arena master tried to throw the chains back on me. I sliced his face open.

-Day 28- I think I'm getting better at this game. The world seems to be moving in slow motion, almost like I'm making time slow down. I'm told that the Cult of Strife will be sending a few members my way.

-Day 32- One month in, first draw. It's a bit of a bummer, but let me say that Lelith Hesperax is attractive, though that's not why there was a draw.

-Day 36- After the fight with Hesperax, it all seems so boring now. To spice things up, I managed to steal a Hellion's Skyboard, rode it up to the Reaver Arena, jacked a Reaver's Jetbike, and left. It was a bit more difficult than I thought it would be, but Commoragh from a distance is quite something to behold. It feels good to be away from the arena.

After stealing the Reaver Jetbike, Arakor spent the next week attempting to gain entrance back into realspace. Finally, he found it, in the form of a Haemonculi's webway portal. Through cunning and the use of many disguises, Arakor made his way back to the Forge Knights and after extensive purity shenanigans, Arakor was allowed back into the ranks of the Chapter. It was only a matter of time and a few defeated Dark Eldar raids that Arakor rose to the rank of Chapter Master.
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WS:7 BS:5 S:3 T:3 W:3 I:7 A:4 Ld:10 Sv: 3+
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Composition: 1 (Unique)
Unit Type: Infantry (Character)
Wargear: The King of Death, Voidforged Armor

The King of Death: Made from the remnants of a Hellion's Hellglaive and some spare parts, the King of Death is a Relic Blade that rolls an extra d3 when rolling to penetrate vehicle armor. Due to both Arakor’s skill and the style of the weapon, Arakor strikes at +2 Initiative.

Voidforged Armor: This special suit of armor is similar to the Ghostplate Armor used by the Dark Eldar. It produces an effect similar to (but not exactly like) a Grey Knight's Shrouding power. Any model or unit attempting to shoot at Arakor or his unit must do so with -1 to their BS. Units or model attempting to shoot at Arakor from a rage greater than 36" must do so with -2 to their BS. Arakor’s armor is also equipped with a miniature Locator Beacon.

Special Rules: Counter-Attack, Agile, Fleet, Move Through Cover, Independent Character, Combat Tactics, Chapter Tactics, And They Shall Know No Fear, Orbital Locator Drop

Agile:Arakor is an incredibly speedy individual, able to dodge blows, and on occasion bullets, with ease. He has a 4+ Invulnerable save when being shot at and a 3+ Invulnerable save in close combat, neither of which can be removed or re-rolled (they represent him dodging blows, not an energy shield). In addition, Arakor counts as having Defensive Grenades and he counts Dangerous Terrain as Difficult Terrain. Also, due to his incredible speed, Arakor gains +2 Attacks when he charges or Counter-Attacks. If Arakor is taken and is not part of any unit, he may assault after Deep Striking.

Chapter Tactics: If you include Arakor in your army, all of the units in your army lose the Combat Tactics special rule. Instead, all units (including Arakor) gain the Deep Strike special rule, and may Deep Strike even if the mission being played normally does not allow it.

Orbital Locator Drop: Since collateral damage means something to the Forge Knights, they have opted for a much more precise tactic: shooting Locator Beacons onto the surface of the planet and teleporting troops in. Once per turn, during the shooting phase, Arakor may command a Locator Beacon to be placed anywhere on the field. A Locator Beacon may not land within 4" of an enemy unit. Keep in mind that Locator beacons must be on the field before their effects come into play. Arakor does not have to be on the field to activate this ability. Locator Beacons that come into play in this manner do not scatter.

I'd say because he can give an entire army deepstike no matter the mission type and drop locator beacons each turn to assist this he becomes an entire army buff he may be worth a bit more.

Then again, because he doesn't have Eternal Warrior, I'd gather 200pnts may be just right.

Toughness 3 makes him a bit too easy to kill even, hell, the only reason he's worth that much is because of his armywide buff.

Why does he have combat tactics if your going to take combat tactics away from him?

I'd actually say give him a toughness 4 and then playtest him. If he's too good like that knock him down to T 3. I'd gather you'll be ok with him at T 4 at 200pnts.
Otherwise T 3 off the top of my playtest experience I'd knock him down to 180-175.

Deep Strike won't be very good if he's dead and T 3 invulnerable save or not his life span in high point games is very limited, he's high priority in a bad way. If he dies, your whole army really would suffer if you went deepstiking. Otherwise your only paying money for a guy you should stick in a heavy troop squad to go hunting, and space marines are filled with good armor saves but not enough wounds to make him untargetable even in their squads.

If you make him Eternal Warrior, than easily 240-250pnts.

Also, he's already Initiative 7, does he need to strike at +2 Initiative?

Why T 4 even with the bit about his not having so and so muscular what have you, because he was in a friggin arena and toughened up, right? Toughness and Strength are not always hand in hand. Many strong men are not tough, many not physicall imposing men are dirt tough.

(Perfered Enemy: Dark Eldar maybe???)

I hope.his +2 Int is already.included in his profile.

Big Mek Dattrukk wrote:In regards to Fluffy, perhaps that boy had just a smidgin of psychic power, manifesting in the form of a very weak synapse-like aura. to weak to take a nid away from the hivemind, but strong enough to hold on to one who was already disconnected?

You have been disconnected from the server

Fluffy: FUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Deadshot wrote:I hope.his +2 Int is already.included in his profile.

^---- This. Also, this fool is as skilled in combat as Draigo?? I have to disagree with Runna and say that he has a ton of USR...

Fluffwise it's another ridiculous heap to add to the pile. "Oh yeah I was captured by Dark eldar, but no biggie, I beat the pants off of everything they threw at me, learned their language, and then when I was bored I escaped in a way that Rambo would call shenanigans on." and honestly I find the diary silly.

But that's just an opinion.

The guy's fluff is funny, because lets face it, it doesn't make any sense and the fact he killed a dozen wyches in CC is unjustifiable.
But as a unit to work, the dude is easy to kill.
I really just wanted to drop hints to the guy who wrote it that he needed to re-work it.
I digress.

General Fat back.- Hq, Chaos space marines

Ws Bs S T W A I LD S
5 5 3 6 6 3 2 7 3+/4+

War gear
Power armor, Big fist of Doom, Frag and krak grenades, Hat of Fat, Spoon of soup.

Rules
Independent Character-as per the rule book.

Winded- Fat back can't be on the move for long amounts of time. To show this He rolls 2 d6 for movement keeping the highest. (this isn't slow and prop) In any turn Fat back runs, He runs an extra d-3 inches because of his momentum. This doesn't apply to any squad he is with, and can force him to leave the squad. He must move full d-3 extra.

Hat of Fat- This under sized hat is from his child hood. It grants Fat back a 4+ invl save. If a physic power is used with in 2d6 of a model wearing the hat of fat, both players roll a d6 and add it to their leader ship. If Fat back wins the roll. The enemy physic takes one wound with no saves allowed of any kind.

Fat-Because of his huge size, Fat back takes up 2 spots in any transport that would allow infantry to be carried.

Hey you kinda smell- If Fat back is not in a squad he is counted as being armed with defensive grenades.



Spoon of soup- Is a Large spoon that is used to hurl soup great distances, Or very short distances. The spoon is a deadly weapon when used right. This is a shooting attack with the following profile.
R-4d6" S-5 AP- Assault 2
The Spoon of soup is fired in a straight line hitting the first model in the line, and moves to the next in the same line. until the max range is hit or until no more hits where scored. This includes friendly models and models in close combat.
Big Fist of Doom-Is a master crafted power fist, That gives 2d6 armor pen against vehicles.

Just to lazy to run away- General Fat Back is fearless and turns any unit is joins fearless. Its just easier to fight to the death than it is to run away.

Fat Back- 165 points
Nose picker-50 points
Dolka dot pot-20 points

Faithful steed- Fat back is often seen riding his faithful steed. A smaller than normal donkey. Nose picker, his faithful steed will come to Fat backs aid when in need. If Fat back is riding Nose picker, He gains the FNP universal rule and can't be transported in a vehicle. Because of Nose picker being so faithful, Fat back can no longer join units. Nose picker gives Fat back a sense of command and raises Fat back's leadership to 10.

Dolka dot pot- This master crafted soup pot was made to be used with the spoon of soup. It increases the number of shots allowed by the spoon to assault d6. It also allows hotter soup to be carried, giving the spoon an ap of 4. Changing the Spoon of Soup to the following profile
R-4d6 S-5 Ap-4 assault d6

OK, I'm going to assume, you don't really know all that much about the Dark Eldar from this... So I'll point out the.. shall I say flaws. I'll try and.. help where I can.

McNinja wrote:I retooled my FK special character, Making his weapon a bit like GK Halberds and the Chapter Tactics more awesome.

Archknight Arakor, Chapter Master of the Forge Knights..........................................................200 points
Arakor has major two qualities: his almost unnatural affinity for technology and his size. Arakor was almost turned into a servitor shortly after becoming a scout, as he seemed to skinny and weak to be of any use as a soldier. Most of the implants Space Marines receive had been well received by Arakors body, although his musculature and bone structure did not change accordingly, although it did change slightly. What did happen, however, was a slight mental uptick; over time, rather than simply increasing his physical strength, it increased his mental capacity and his reflexes far beyond normal, human limits. Arakor swiftly proved himself to be one of the sharpest and quickest scouts in the Chapter, out-thinking even the Scout Captain on a few occasions.

I admittedly don't know huge amounts about space marines, but if the muscle grafts didn't take, wouldn't that be viewed as a failiure? I don't know what the response to that would be.

Because of his mental acuity, he was selected to be part of a mission to the Imperial World of Holthar to determine to reason for a sudden communications blackout on a remote testing facility.

It did not take long for the scouts to discover the reason for the blackout. A Dark Eldar raid was in progress, and the Scouts could do nothing about it. They were outnumbered 100 to 1, so all they could do was report what they saw and wait for reinforcements. However, by the time reinforcements arrived, all of the facility workers and scouts were gone.

Considering how long it would take for them to notice a comms blackout from a regular facility, decide to investigate, and get there, for them to notice comms blackout from a remote facility, even considering it would be important enough to require instant mobilisation (and if it was, why ONLY a single scout squad?), the raid would be over. Dark Eldar run lightning strikes, if they're raiding a facility it would be stripped within a day or so at the most, more likely only a few hours. I mean, it took them less than a day to strip the Tau world of Rubikon during the War of Dark Revelations. But even my character who's dedicated to responding will only rarely make it to the scene in time, and his ship is specifically rigged to get him there within hours. I'm thinking of having a Kroot Shaman that is able to give premonitions allowing him to be there already.

A more logical reason is they happened to be there. A layover after another mission, coincedence, something, but they wouldn't find anything other than ghosts if they're traveling to it .

Arakor and the scouts, being obvious warriors, were sold as slaves to die in the arenas. And die they did, for the most part. At first, the slaves were pitted against each other, the Scouts mercilessly slaughtered the weaker, normal humans that were thrown against them. Arakor, however, held back and attempted to unify the slaves, guessing that this was just one of many trials. After fighting each other, they were set upon by the wyches.

Why will the scouts mercilessly slaughter? I'd have thought they'd try to protect or save, rally against their captors...

The Wyches tore them apart, as they did with all other slaves they were set against. Arakor fought for what seemed like hours, and in the end, only the Wyches and Arakor remained. Arakor was dragged away and thrown into a cell with a dozen other slaves, where he promptly passed out.

He awoke the next morning (at least, it felt like morning), feeling sore, but also thrilled. Usually, fights ended quickly with Arakor as the victor. But here? Not even close. He finally had a real challenge in his hands. Eventually, Arakor started to keep a mental journal of his fights, noting his performance and how exciting the fight was.

-Day 4- I fought a dozen of these "wyches" today. I also finally found someone who speaks both the Dark Eldar language and high gothic, a inquisitors servant named Phillip. The Wyches died easily, not expecting a human to be on their level. I think they also expect me to know fear, but I don't.

looking at his current statline, a dozen wyches would kill him now though it's possible it's wych acolytes fighting...

-Day 8- The Arena master threw a dozen more Wyches at me. I wonder if I'm thinning out those Wych Cults as all, since all they seem to do is die. This is boring.

-Day 12- Finally! A new challenge! I am told they are called Hellions, and I am picking up some of their language on my own. I think today's fight would have gone in the Hellions favor had the audience not been so close. The audience seemed to be as thrilled as I was, although the Hellions were less so. I also managed to take one of their weapons. I think I'll keep it, study it's workings.

Hellions wouldn't care about a close spectators. Hellions are street gangs, they might fight in the arenas for a giggle. Keeping a hellglaive isn't likely though, they'd likely shoot him rather than let him keep it. Learning the eldritch that Dark Eldar speak isn't entirely unreasonable, but isn't it heresy?

-Day 16- More beasts, more slaves. Nothing new, nothing fun. It felt like a day off. for one of the fights, I put a blind fold on.

-Day 20- I've picked up more of their language. The Dark Eldar really seem to despise me. Today's fights were against some dishonored Kabalites accused of treason. They seemed better trained than others that I've fought.

Wyches and beasts will be a much better fight than kabalite warriors. Warriors are soldiers, specialising in firearms, while capable of CC, it's not their primary ability.

-Day 24- They've moved me to a new arena. Something about an Archon getting in good with the Wych Cults. I also spooked the audience today when I began taunting them in their own language. They began throwing things at me, mostly bladed objects. What is it with these people and blades? The arena master tried to throw the chains back on me. I sliced his face open.

Again, put down with fire. Either sedated or dead.

-Day 28- I think I'm getting better at this game. The world seems to be moving in slow motion, almost like I'm making time slow down. I'm told that the Cult of Strife will be sending a few members my way.

-Day 32- One month in, first draw. It's a bit of a bummer, but let me say that Lelith Hesperax is attractive, though that's not why there was a draw.

Lelith is the single crazy fastest CC warrior ever. Against full blown marines she simply toys with them... but hey.

-Day 36- After the fight with Hesperax, it all seems so boring now. To spice things up, I managed to steal a Hellion's Skyboard, rode it up to the Reaver Arena, jacked a Reaver's Jetbike, and left. It was a bit more difficult than I thought it would be, but Commoragh from a distance is quite something to behold. It feels good to be away from the arena.

Taking a Skyboard up to the reaver tracks is reasonably suicidal, assuming you'd be able to learn how to fly the skyboard before it crashes, then not only fighting your way out of the arena, past the guards, through the hellion gangs outside, not getting shot out of the air or ripped apart by the scourges, etc, then fighting his way into the reavers playground past their guards, survivng the insane bladevane passes and insane flying they make, knocking off the rider who's probably stapled to the seat, learning how to ride the bike in mid-air, while it's spiraling out of control at almost supersonic speeds before it splats into a wall / outcrop all the while holding onto a hellglaive..., then managing to fight his way back out past the other reavers, then survive the inevitable Razorwings sent to put down the trouble if he did make it that far...

After stealing the Reaver Jetbike, Arakor spent the next week attempting to gain entrance back into realspace. Finally, he found it, in the form of a Haemonculi's webway portal. Through cunning and the use of many disguises, Arakor made his way back to the Forge Knights and after extensive purity shenanigans, Arakor was allowed back into the ranks of the Chapter. It was only a matter of time and a few defeated Dark Eldar raids that Arakor rose to the rank of Chapter Master.

Wait, waaaaait.... so on top of the above, he just somehow strolls into the lair of a coven, where dozens of the dark eldar that make other dark eldar wet themselves live in the dozens, steals a webway portal, figures out how to use it, calibrates it to open into realspace (which is a trick, as a webway portal opens a link between Commoragh and where ever it is set, so going through it would just lead back to the city, so this parts even more impressive...), then makes the casual stroll back to his chapter.

BTW - carrying that hellglaive would cripple any disguise...

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WS:7 BS:5 S:3 T:3 W:3 I:7 A:4 Ld:10 Sv: 3+
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Composition: 1 (Unique)
Unit Type: Infantry (Character)
Wargear: The King of Death, Voidforged Armor

The King of Death: Made from the remnants of a Hellion's Hellglaive and some spare parts, the King of Death is a Relic Blade that rolls an extra d3 when rolling to penetrate vehicle armor. Due to both Arakor’s skill and the style of the weapon, Arakor strikes at +2 Initiative.

Assuming that he made it through all the crap with the reaver bike, him somehow keeping hold of the Hellglaive that he would have to have stolen when he escaped (no way he'd have kept the earlier one.) is... almost reasonable the +2 Initiative is not. +2 Str is.. ok, the +D3 to pen is even getawayable, but with a big heavy modified 2 handed power weapon, +2 inititiave is silly. MAYBE +1 on the charge.

Voidforged Armor: This special suit of armor is similar to the Ghostplate Armor used by the Dark Eldar. It produces an effect similar to (but not exactly like) a Grey Knight's Shrouding power. Any model or unit attempting to shoot at Arakor or his unit must do so with -1 to their BS. Units or model attempting to shoot at Arakor from a rage greater than 36" must do so with -2 to their BS. Arakor’s armor is also equipped with a miniature Locator Beacon.

Ghostplate is a tough armour plate, that is thin to enable free movement. it grants a 4+ save and a 6+ invun. If he's wearing something that light, he probably shouldn't have a 3+ save.
And if his armour somehow obscures HIM, how does it make the whole unit shrouded? that doesn't make much sense tbh.

Special Rules: Counter-Attack, Agile, Fleet, Move Through Cover, Independent Character, Combat Tactics, Chapter Tactics, And They Shall Know No Fear, Orbital Locator Drop

I'd remove Move Through cover (IC gives it anyway, and he'll lose it when joining a squad that doesn't have it regardless, so giving it twice is redundant)

Agile:Arakor is an incredibly speedy individual, able to dodge blows, and on occasion bullets, with ease. He has a 4+ Invulnerable save when being shot at and a 3+ Invulnerable save in close combat, neither of which can be removed or re-rolled (they represent him dodging blows, not an energy shield). In addition, Arakor counts as having Defensive Grenades and he counts Dangerous Terrain as Difficult Terrain. Also, due to his incredible speed, Arakor gains +2 Attacks when he charges or Counter-Attacks. If Arakor is taken and is not part of any unit, he may assault after Deep Striking.

Copying Leliths Quicksilver Dodge (which she gets for being about the fastest damn eldar ever.) for a human is a bit crazy, mayhaps a 4+/5+ invun?

Chapter Tactics: If you include Arakor in your army, all of the units in your army lose the Combat Tactics special rule. Instead, all units (including Arakor) gain the Deep Strike special rule, and may Deep Strike even if the mission being played normally does not allow it.

Orbital Locator Drop: Since collateral damage means something to the Forge Knights, they have opted for a much more precise tactic: shooting Locator Beacons onto the surface of the planet and teleporting troops in. Once per turn, during the shooting phase, Arakor may command a Locator Beacon to be placed anywhere on the field. A Locator Beacon may not land within 4" of an enemy unit. Keep in mind that Locator beacons must be on the field before their effects come into play. Arakor does not have to be on the field to activate this ability. Locator Beacons that come into play in this manner do not scatter.

Ultimately, if his fluff is redone a little for him not to be a magical combination of Macguyver and Chuck Norris that can hide a 6-8 foot long hellglaive in his coat (i.e. make sense ) I could live with it.

felixander wrote:

Deadshot wrote:I hope.his +2 Int is already.included in his profile.

^---- This. Also, this fool is as skilled in combat as Draigo?? I have to disagree with Runna and say that he has a ton of USR...

Fluffwise it's another ridiculous heap to add to the pile. "Oh yeah I was captured by Dark eldar, but no biggie, I beat the pants off of everything they threw at me, learned their language, and then when I was bored I escaped in a way that Rambo would call shenanigans on." and honestly I find the diary silly.

But that's just an opinion.

It's supposed to be. If I wanted it to be taken seriously, I wouldn't have spent 20 minutes writing it. Actual fluff that wouldn't be silly would be about a page long, much like how in order to make Draigo's fluff seem reasonable, a ton of more explanation would have needed to go into his whole "I cut open a daemon primarchs chest and carved my name and my mentors name into it. Then I roflstomped my way through the warp and wrecked the chaos gods' gak." I anyone cares to see it, I'll be happy to put it up. It'd take place over the span of a year, rather than a month, though.

Also, Drazhar has 5 USRs, plus 3 other special rules. The Decapitator has ten special rules. Also, yes, he is as skilled in CC than Draigo (perhaps more skilled, even). His mind and reflexes work faster than even the Supreme Grand Master of the Grey Knights.

Ovion wrote:OK, I'm going to assume, you don't really know all that much about the Dark Eldar from this... So I'll point out the.. shall I say flaws. I'll try and.. help where I can.

McNinja wrote:

Spoiler:

I retooled my FK special character, Making his weapon a bit like GK Halberds and the Chapter Tactics more awesome.

Archknight Arakor, Chapter Master of the Forge Knights..........................................................200 points
Arakor has major two qualities: his almost unnatural affinity for technology and his size. Arakor was almost turned into a servitor shortly after becoming a scout, as he seemed to skinny and weak to be of any use as a soldier. Most of the implants Space Marines receive had been well received by Arakors body, although his musculature and bone structure did not change accordingly, although it did change slightly. What did happen, however, was a slight mental uptick; over time, rather than simply increasing his physical strength, it increased his mental capacity and his reflexes far beyond normal, human limits. Arakor swiftly proved himself to be one of the sharpest and quickest scouts in the Chapter, out-thinking even the Scout Captain on a few occasions.

I admittedly don't know huge amounts about space marines, but if the muscle grafts didn't take, wouldn't that be viewed as a failiure? I don't know what the response to that would be.

Because of his mental acuity, he was selected to be part of a mission to the Imperial World of Holthar to determine to reason for a sudden communications blackout on a remote testing facility.

It did not take long for the scouts to discover the reason for the blackout. A Dark Eldar raid was in progress, and the Scouts could do nothing about it. They were outnumbered 100 to 1, so all they could do was report what they saw and wait for reinforcements. However, by the time reinforcements arrived, all of the facility workers and scouts were gone.

Considering how long it would take for them to notice a comms blackout from a regular facility, decide to investigate, and get there, for them to notice comms blackout from a remote facility, even considering it would be important enough to require instant mobilisation (and if it was, why ONLY a single scout squad?), the raid would be over. Dark Eldar run lightning strikes, if they're raiding a facility it would be stripped within a day or so at the most, more likely only a few hours. I mean, it took them less than a day to strip the Tau world of Rubikon during the War of Dark Revelations. But even my character who's dedicated to responding will only rarely make it to the scene in time, and his ship is specifically rigged to get him there within hours. I'm thinking of having a Kroot Shaman that is able to give premonitions allowing him to be there already.

A more logical reason is they happened to be there. A layover after another mission, coincedence, something, but they wouldn't find anything other than ghosts if they're traveling to it .

Arakor and the scouts, being obvious warriors, were sold as slaves to die in the arenas. And die they did, for the most part. At first, the slaves were pitted against each other, the Scouts mercilessly slaughtered the weaker, normal humans that were thrown against them. Arakor, however, held back and attempted to unify the slaves, guessing that this was just one of many trials. After fighting each other, they were set upon by the wyches.

Why will the scouts mercilessly slaughter? I'd have thought they'd try to protect or save, rally against their captors...

The Wyches tore them apart, as they did with all other slaves they were set against. Arakor fought for what seemed like hours, and in the end, only the Wyches and Arakor remained. Arakor was dragged away and thrown into a cell with a dozen other slaves, where he promptly passed out.

He awoke the next morning (at least, it felt like morning), feeling sore, but also thrilled. Usually, fights ended quickly with Arakor as the victor. But here? Not even close. He finally had a real challenge in his hands. Eventually, Arakor started to keep a mental journal of his fights, noting his performance and how exciting the fight was.

-Day 4- I fought a dozen of these "wyches" today. I also finally found someone who speaks both the Dark Eldar language and high gothic, a inquisitors servant named Phillip. The Wyches died easily, not expecting a human to be on their level. I think they also expect me to know fear, but I don't.

looking at his current statline, a dozen wyches would kill him now though it's possible it's wych acolytes fighting...

-Day 8- The Arena master threw a dozen more Wyches at me. I wonder if I'm thinning out those Wych Cults as all, since all they seem to do is die. This is boring.

-Day 12- Finally! A new challenge! I am told they are called Hellions, and I am picking up some of their language on my own. I think today's fight would have gone in the Hellions favor had the audience not been so close. The audience seemed to be as thrilled as I was, although the Hellions were less so. I also managed to take one of their weapons. I think I'll keep it, study it's workings.

Hellions wouldn't care about a close spectators. Hellions are street gangs, they might fight in the arenas for a giggle. Keeping a hellglaive isn't likely though, they'd likely shoot him rather than let him keep it. Learning the eldritch that Dark Eldar speak isn't entirely unreasonable, but isn't it heresy?

-Day 16- More beasts, more slaves. Nothing new, nothing fun. It felt like a day off. for one of the fights, I put a blind fold on.

-Day 20- I've picked up more of their language. The Dark Eldar really seem to despise me. Today's fights were against some dishonored Kabalites accused of treason. They seemed better trained than others that I've fought.

Wyches and beasts will be a much better fight than kabalite warriors. Warriors are soldiers, specialising in firearms, while capable of CC, it's not their primary ability.

-Day 24- They've moved me to a new arena. Something about an Archon getting in good with the Wych Cults. I also spooked the audience today when I began taunting them in their own language. They began throwing things at me, mostly bladed objects. What is it with these people and blades? The arena master tried to throw the chains back on me. I sliced his face open.

Again, put down with fire. Either sedated or dead.

-Day 28- I think I'm getting better at this game. The world seems to be moving in slow motion, almost like I'm making time slow down. I'm told that the Cult of Strife will be sending a few members my way.

-Day 32- One month in, first draw. It's a bit of a bummer, but let me say that Lelith Hesperax is attractive, though that's not why there was a draw.

Lelith is the single crazy fastest CC warrior ever. Against full blown marines she simply toys with them... but hey.

-Day 36- After the fight with Hesperax, it all seems so boring now. To spice things up, I managed to steal a Hellion's Skyboard, rode it up to the Reaver Arena, jacked a Reaver's Jetbike, and left. It was a bit more difficult than I thought it would be, but Commoragh from a distance is quite something to behold. It feels good to be away from the arena.

Taking a Skyboard up to the reaver tracks is reasonably suicidal, assuming you'd be able to learn how to fly the skyboard before it crashes, then not only fighting your way out of the arena, past the guards, through the hellion gangs outside, not getting shot out of the air or ripped apart by the scourges, etc, then fighting his way into the reavers playground past their guards, survivng the insane bladevane passes and insane flying they make, knocking off the rider who's probably stapled to the seat, learning how to ride the bike in mid-air, while it's spiraling out of control at almost supersonic speeds before it splats into a wall / outcrop all the while holding onto a hellglaive..., then managing to fight his way back out past the other reavers, then survive the inevitable Razorwings sent to put down the trouble if he did make it that far...

After stealing the Reaver Jetbike, Arakor spent the next week attempting to gain entrance back into realspace. Finally, he found it, in the form of a Haemonculi's webway portal. Through cunning and the use of many disguises, Arakor made his way back to the Forge Knights and after extensive purity shenanigans, Arakor was allowed back into the ranks of the Chapter. It was only a matter of time and a few defeated Dark Eldar raids that Arakor rose to the rank of Chapter Master.

Wait, waaaaait.... so on top of the above, he just somehow strolls into the lair of a coven, where dozens of the dark eldar that make other dark eldar wet themselves live in the dozens, steals a webway portal, figures out how to use it, calibrates it to open into realspace (which is a trick, as a webway portal opens a link between Commoragh and where ever it is set, so going through it would just lead back to the city, so this parts even more impressive...), then makes the casual stroll back to his chapter.

BTW - carrying that hellglaive would cripple any disguise...

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WS:7 BS:5 S:3 T:3 W:3 I:7 A:4 Ld:10 Sv: 3+
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Composition: 1 (Unique)
Unit Type: Infantry (Character)
Wargear: The King of Death, Voidforged Armor

The King of Death: Made from the remnants of a Hellion's Hellglaive and some spare parts, the King of Death is a Relic Blade that rolls an extra d3 when rolling to penetrate vehicle armor. Due to both Arakor’s skill and the style of the weapon, Arakor strikes at +2 Initiative.

Assuming that he made it through all the crap with the reaver bike, him somehow keeping hold of the Hellglaive that he would have to have stolen when he escaped (no way he'd have kept the earlier one.) is... almost reasonable the +2 Initiative is not. +2 Str is.. ok, the +D3 to pen is even getawayable, but with a big heavy modified 2 handed power weapon, +2 inititiave is silly. MAYBE +1 on the charge.

Voidforged Armor: This special suit of armor is similar to the Ghostplate Armor used by the Dark Eldar. It produces an effect similar to (but not exactly like) a Grey Knight's Shrouding power. Any model or unit attempting to shoot at Arakor or his unit must do so with -1 to their BS. Units or model attempting to shoot at Arakor from a rage greater than 36" must do so with -2 to their BS. Arakor’s armor is also equipped with a miniature Locator Beacon.

Ghostplate is a tough armour plate, that is thin to enable free movement. it grants a 4+ save and a 6+ invun. If he's wearing something that light, he probably shouldn't have a 3+ save.
And if his armour somehow obscures HIM, how does it make the whole unit shrouded? that doesn't make much sense tbh.

Special Rules: Counter-Attack, Agile, Fleet, Move Through Cover, Independent Character, Combat Tactics, Chapter Tactics, And They Shall Know No Fear, Orbital Locator Drop

I'd remove Move Through cover (IC gives it anyway, and he'll lose it when joining a squad that doesn't have it regardless, so giving it twice is redundant)

Agile:Arakor is an incredibly speedy individual, able to dodge blows, and on occasion bullets, with ease. He has a 4+ Invulnerable save when being shot at and a 3+ Invulnerable save in close combat, neither of which can be removed or re-rolled (they represent him dodging blows, not an energy shield). In addition, Arakor counts as having Defensive Grenades and he counts Dangerous Terrain as Difficult Terrain. Also, due to his incredible speed, Arakor gains +2 Attacks when he charges or Counter-Attacks. If Arakor is taken and is not part of any unit, he may assault after Deep Striking.

Copying Leliths Quicksilver Dodge (which she gets for being about the fastest damn eldar ever.) for a human is a bit crazy, mayhaps a 4+/5+ invun?

Chapter Tactics: If you include Arakor in your army, all of the units in your army lose the Combat Tactics special rule. Instead, all units (including Arakor) gain the Deep Strike special rule, and may Deep Strike even if the mission being played normally does not allow it.

Orbital Locator Drop: Since collateral damage means something to the Forge Knights, they have opted for a much more precise tactic: shooting Locator Beacons onto the surface of the planet and teleporting troops in. Once per turn, during the shooting phase, Arakor may command a Locator Beacon to be placed anywhere on the field. A Locator Beacon may not land within 4" of an enemy unit. Keep in mind that Locator beacons must be on the field before their effects come into play. Arakor does not have to be on the field to activate this ability. Locator Beacons that come into play in this manner do not scatter.

Ultimately, if his fluff is redone a little for him not to be a magical combination of Macguyver and Chuck Norris that can hide a 6-8 foot long hellglaive in his coat (i.e. make sense ) I could live with it.

His coat's bigger on the inside Actually, I meant to remove the armor save. Also, the fluff is being rewritten to be less magical. I'll put it up when I finish it up.

As to the +2 I on the weapon: I'm not sure if you've ever seen a professional wield a Bo Staff, but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxFEsLtdNfs and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wc1QENR-Hk&feature=relmfu Just put blades on the ends and there you go.

I know you can do crazy things with a Bo Staff, but a Hellglaive, especially one modified (which would make it even heavier) is significantly bigger, significantly heavier, and has 2 whacking great swords on the ends. Its use will be a lot closer to a twin-ended polearm, imagine a Bardiche or something, but with even more weight at the back end. These things are REALLY large and unwieldy.

Using a shortstaff like that - yes.
Using a twinbladed polearm that's twice as long like that, you'll lose a leg, get it stuck in the ground etc.

And measuring the Hellglaive against a kroot, DE and marine, the Hellglaive is infact, 10-12ft long.

I would say have EITHER the +2 Str -or- +2 Ini, not both.

I would agree. I'll solidify this idea later, but I might just do normal hellglaive stats (+1 S and +1 A) and keep his Initiative high. It won't be an actual hellglaive, but It'll be fairly close.

McNinja wrote:

felixander wrote:

Deadshot wrote:I hope.his +2 Int is already.included in his profile.

^---- This. Also, this fool is as skilled in combat as Draigo?? I have to disagree with Runna and say that he has a ton of USR...

Spoiler:

Fluffwise it's another ridiculous heap to add to the pile. "Oh yeah I was captured by Dark eldar, but no biggie, I beat the pants off of everything they threw at me, learned their language, and then when I was bored I escaped in a way that Rambo would call shenanigans on." and honestly I find the diary silly.

But that's just an opinion.

It's supposed to be. If I wanted it to be taken seriously, I wouldn't have spent 20 minutes writing it. Actual fluff that wouldn't be silly would be about a page long, much like how in order to make Draigo's fluff seem reasonable, a ton of more explanation would have needed to go into his whole "I cut open a daemon primarchs chest and carved my name and my mentors name into it. Then I roflstomped my way through the warp and wrecked the chaos gods' gak." I anyone cares to see it, I'll be happy to put it up. It'd take place over the span of a year, rather than a month, though.

Also, Drazhar has 5 USRs, plus 3 other special rules. The Decapitator has ten special rules. Also, yes, he is as skilled in CC than Draigo (perhaps more skilled, even). His mind and reflexes work faster than even the Supreme Grand Master of the Grey Knights.

felixander wrote:

Well you could have simply posted it in a "spoiler" tag (like I did above! So easy!) and mention what is in the text. And then next post you said you were rewritting it. It's ok, not everyone is an author. I'd rather see a short run down than a story that makes people roll their eyes. You could even say something like "Was captured and enslaved by the Dark Eldar for a standard month. He managed to escape with his life and Technology. Then he ate a brownie sundae." and I'd believe it and love the happy ending. As for the most important feedback you can get ("Would you let me field him in a friendly game?") I'm gonna say no for silly stat, wargear, special rules, and the fluff. It's rare but sometimes I wouldn't let someone field a character just because his background story is so derpy it makes me want to punt a puppy.

Ok, I know what's wrong with the fluff, what about the statline, wargear, and rules?

WS: 1 BS: 3 S: 3 T: 3 (4) W: 1 I: 1 A: 1 LD: 2 Sv:-

G00fy smiley leads the army from off of the table, he does no damage of his own, he's not kidding himself he's probably stronger than average human but would die in a heartbeat in the 40k universe as a biker he rides away from combat as quickly as possible

Iron Captain Victor Velikor of the Iron Hands 5th Company

(I did counts as Space Wolves army) Captain Velikor uses Logan Grimnars rules. I also used the Carab Culn model to represent him, which was perfect.

My second army is Necrons so...

Anaxes the Voidmaster, Overlord of Coreworld Onuris and surrounding fringeworlds of the Ogdobekh Dynasty

I just use Imotekh's rules, as not bringing Imotekh always seems like a bad idea.

Archknight Arakor, Chapter Master of the Forge Knights..........................................................210 points

Stats
Not sure how much of a bad thing Rage is. If Eternal Warrior automatically adds points to a models cost, how much dies Rage take away, if any?


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TheCrazyCryptek wrote:Iron Captain Victor Velikor of the Iron Hands 5th Company

(I did counts as Space Wolves army) Captain Velikor uses Logan Grimnars rules. I also used the Carab Culn model to represent him, which was perfect.

My second army is Necrons so...

Anaxes the Voidmaster, Overlord of Coreworld Onuris and surrounding fringeworlds of the Ogdobekh Dynasty

I just use Imotekh's rules, as not bringing Imotekh always seems like a bad idea.

It is. Every game I've used him in he always kills at least his point cost in enemy models with his storm alone.

McNinja wrote:

felixander wrote:. As for the most important feedback you can get ("Would you let me field him in a friendly game?") I'm gonna say no for silly stat, wargear, special rules, and the fluff..

Ok, I know what's wrong with the fluff, what about the statline, wargear, and rules?

OK, initiative 6 is insane to give anything outside of Eldar, Dark Eldar, and Slaanesh. 7 is down right derptastic and 9 with his weapon is downright stupid. Gonna agree with Ovion that 3+ armor doesn't seem to fit, and neither does the 3++/4++ without some points tuning. I know that T3 without EW is good for the opponent, but inside a Landraider or drop pod it's not going to matter much as you'll need to tear through all the troops he's with first. And anything shooting at him prefers to aim at the dirt. Charges on Deep Strike. Oh and +2 attacks on the charge.


As to your modified profile I think 230 as a minimum would be more accurate. It is good to see an original character, you just need to account for everything he gets to do. 6 power attacks that wound even Swarmlords on 3+ after charging from Deepstrike. Oh and he can only be hit on a 5+ instead of a 3+. I know he can get 1 shotted, but he gets to pick who he fights, so it doesn't really matter too much. And he's a Beast (????) so he has a 12" charge range with fleet so he's even less likely to get caught

I have to agree about him not being able to assault after deepstriking, but for middle ground, how about he can choose to assault but not shoot, or shoot but not assault. Or be really ridiculous and say may choose to deepstrike into combat if there is one taking place and be treated as charging for this turn of assault. That's a bit OP but it's cool, and it fits his flipping into stuff fluff, which made me laugh by the way.

Everything needs a 5+ to hit him, not neccessary, he already has a high WS, a dodge invulnerable save, and a high initiative. It belittles the point I made earlier about why he was playable, he needs to be vulnerable in some for or area of the game, or he needs to be slow and unable to do mass damage, which he isn't either of. He is fast, pretty damn safe, and able to kill anything walking.

The best way to write a characters statline is to see if you have to actually utilize strategy to get him to do what you want him to do, or if you can just go ahead and do it because he can do that.

If you don't have to use some strategy, your not making your opponents want to play against him.

I had the first write-up of Forling as a monster, he was the descendant of the God that cracked a planet I thought, I needed to show it. Granted he was point heavy, but it didn't change the fact that my opponent was getting tired of wasting shots and losing men trying to kill him. My whole army had lost, but Forling had 2 wounds left and he was still going. Even though I lost the game, the playtest helped me realize two things, too much is too much even if it's point effecient, and balance requires to consider playing against the units you are writing about, and trying to defeat them. The subsequent playtest after re-write, both me and my 40k crowd at that time were happy. (Oh, how I miss playing.)

As much as we don't want our characters to die, even when they are fun, we should remember to keep that chance that the enemy may spit in our cereal by killing them quick when we make a bad move.

He's a beast??? No man, no way. Sorry, I just can't go with you on that one.

If you are going to make him so fast, less armor is more reliable. You're worried about things that ignore invulnerable saves, that's good, he should have worries on the field. It means he's playable. Right now, he's not really worried about much except bad luck.

Why not sacrifice two attacks for the Initiative 10 strike, otherwise who would ever not do that?

Rage in the form of only Dark Eldar when also getting to re-roll attacks against them would actually be a slight increase in points because of his other stats. But only slight.

Wounding on a 3+ is also a bit much. You had a good idea with just giving him a +1 to strength and maybe attack. Or make it more unique.
(Idea for you.)
Say...he may sacrifice one point of his initiative to gain +1 strength with this weapon during an assault phase to a maximum of +3. He may instead choose to do this to gain +1 attacks to a maximum of 2. He cannot do this if you have chosen to attack at initiative ten this combat phase and he cannot do both. Still a power weapon of course, that can be any of the three morphs. +st is the sword, +att the whip, normal the staff. Right? Now capable of wrecking small vehicles and fighting monstrous creatures. But heavy vehicles he should avoid.

An idea for you anyways.

If you really enjoy that armor, have the enemy take a leadership test, if they fail, then they need 5's. It won't effect the points much, keeps his armor, and doesn't means the enemy has to be unlucky to not shoot him down in most cases where they had to be lucky to do it before.

I agree with 230pnts also.

felixander wrote:

McNinja wrote:

felixander wrote:. As for the most important feedback you can get ("Would you let me field him in a friendly game?") I'm gonna say no for silly stat, wargear, special rules, and the fluff..

Ok, I know what's wrong with the fluff, what about the statline, wargear, and rules?

OK, initiative 6 is insane to give anything outside of Eldar, Dark Eldar, and Slaanesh. 7 is down right derptastic and 9 with his weapon is downright stupid. Gonna agree with Ovion that 3+ armor doesn't seem to fit, and neither does the 3++/4++ without some points tuning. I know that T3 without EW is good for the opponent, but inside a Landraider or drop pod it's not going to matter much as you'll need to tear through all the troops he's with first. And anything shooting at him prefers to aim at the dirt. Charges on Deep Strike. Oh and +2 attacks on the charge.


As to your modified profile I think 230 as a minimum would be more accurate. It is good to see an original character, you just need to account for everything he gets to do. 6 power attacks that wound even Swarmlords on 3+ after charging from Deepstrike. Oh and he can only be hit on a 5+ instead of a 3+. I know he can get 1 shotted, but he gets to pick who he fights, so it doesn't really matter too much. And he's a Beast (????) so he has a 12" charge range with fleet so he's even less likely to get caught

You would have loved my first iteration of this guy. He was base Initiative 8. He is supposed to be extremely quick, though. Far moreso than any normal Space Marine. As for Beast... well, he is a beast in close combat, right? I'm still debating whether or not he should stay Beast, as he would get the charge, but I'll also change some other stuff around so he can't move then run then charge after DSing.


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His new stuff:
-5+ to hit him requires activation and is only used in shooting or assault phase rather than permanently.
-Changed from Beast to Infantry, and acts normally after DSing alone. and fleet.

Lord Castellan, Knight of Slaanesh - 400pts

WS: 6
BS: 5
S: 5
T: 5
W: 4
I: 8
A: 4
Ld: 10
Sv: 2+/3++

Composition: 1 (Unique)
Unit Type: Cavalry

Wargear: Shield of Darkness: This gives Castellan a 4++, Armour of Lust: This gives Castellan a 2+, Halberd of Unearthly Pleasure: This is a Master Crafted Power Weapon which adds 1 Attack and 1 Initiative (Already included in profile) to Lord Castellan's profile, Warp Portal: Gives Castellan the Deep Strike special rule.

Special Rules: Fearless, Fleet, Daemonic Assistance: This rule gives Castellan Eternal Warrior

Castellan is considered one of the most devoted worshipers of Slaan ever known. He is a legend amongst legends, bursting into the middle of the battlefield in a hail of warp fire, bursting through a gaping hole in the fabric of reality, charging straight towards the stunned enemy on his daemonic steed. His ancient armor proves a match for almost all small arms fire, and his shield can deflect almost all blows that come into contact with it. His presence will give the soldiers under his command a new energy inside of them, allowing them to move across the battlefield at uncanny speed. When Castellan finally ascends to Daemonhood, the galaxy is doomed. He shall command his armies, wiping all traces of the Imperium of Man, and of the Eldar as he begins his unholy crusade.

I will produce Knights for the other gods soon.

I was reading taht thinking 'Ok, it's a bit powerful, but hardly 300pts worth'.
Then I saw it gave the whole army fleet.

1: Why is it cavalry?
2: What codex is it for? C:SM or DoC?

Codex CSM, and Cavalry fits into the whole Slaaneshi theme (Swift and Deadly)


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Lord Pestilus, Warden of Nurgle - 500pts
Unit Type: Infantry
Composition: 1 (Unique)

WS: 5
BS: 5
S: 6
T: 6
W: 5
I: 2
A: 3
Ld: 10
Sv: 2+/3++

Wargear: Plagued Armor: This gives Pestilus a 2++ and a 3++, Master Crafted Bolt Pistol, Axe of the Grandfather: This is a 2 Handed Close Combat Weapon that inflicts Instant Death and adds 2 Strength in an assault (Not included in profile)

Special Rules: Fearless, Daemonic Assistance: This rule gives Pestilus Eternal Warrior

Pestilus is a half man, half daemon monster that plagues the minds and bodies of all those who fight his legions. Where he treads, the plants die, the animals perish and the air fills with a cloud of flies. He is a master in the art of Necromancy, bringing mortally wounded and dead soldiers back into the fray. He wields a massive axe, which will cut most enemies into two pieces , and will infect and destroy almost all others that still stand. He is the immense guard of Nurgle, and he shall destroy all that threaten the work of the Grandfather.

EDIT: It would seem that I cannot read.

Just found the Perfect Model for Castellan:



Just slap on a 40mm base and it's 40K legal!


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Lord Azephael, Herald of Tzeentch - 450pts
Unit Type: Jump Infantry
Composition: 1 (Unique)

WS: 5
BS: 5
S: 4
T: 4
W: 4
I: 5
A: 3
Ld: 10
Sv: 2+/4++

Wargear: Enchanted Armour: This gives Azephael a 2+/4++, Disk of Tzeentch: This makes Azephael Jump Infantry, Force Weapon, Plasma Pistol

Psychic Powers: Azephael has all powers from Codex:CSM, and may use up to 3 a turn

Special Rules: Fearless, Daemonic Assistance: This rule gives Azephael Eternal Warrior

Azephael is a horrifying creature, once a proud member of the Thousand Sons Legion, now a twisted conduit of raw psychic power that radiates with the change of many worlds. He floats above the battlefield on a glowing disk of blue fire, casting great arcs of lightning and turning proud warriors into husks of black ash. He can bring down the mightiest hero, turning them into huffs of black smoke, or possessing them, turning them against their own men. Many people have tried to eradicate Azephael, but only a few have weathered the magical storms that storm the battlefield, and even less have actually managed to strike him. All those that have were veiled in black smoke, then revealed, paralysed corpses that lay twisted in agony. Where Azephael treads, your demise will come.


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Lord Exscarburus, Executioner of Khorne - 450pts
Unit Type: Cavalry
Composition: 1 (Unique)

WS: 9
BS: 5
S: 6
T: 5
W: 5
I: 5
A: 5
Ld: 10
Sv: 2+/3++

Wargear: Armour of Skulls: this is a suit of armor that gives a 2+, Shield of Blood: Gives the bearer a 3++, Glaive of Khorne: This is a Master Crafted Power Weapon that may make another attack for each unsaved wound it causes. These may not generate further attacks.

Special Rules: Fearless, Daemonic Assistance: This rule gives Exscarburus Eternal Warrior

Exscarburus is the mightiest mortal warrior that Chaos has to offer, able to destroy regiments of Imperial Guard in a single devastating assault: He can take on even the greatest monster, cutting them in half. It is rumored that Exscarburus is truly at one with Chaos, that he has taken place alongside Khorne personally in the battle for Chaos. He can destroy monuments and level mountains at a single command. Even the Daemons obey his commands. It takes but a single word for the armies of chaos to burn and purge the inhabitants of the world under his command. Exscarburus is the nigh on unstoppable, and when he attacks, you are finished.


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Lord Pestilus



Again, a 25mm round base to make it 40K legal.



Flying Base to make it Legal

Edited: I said things that came across as being mean for the sake of being mean. Sorry.

I'm going to assume you're a herald of Khorne sent to simply to make people angry and spread rage so that they will spill more blood for the blood god. Nothing else seems like a logical explanation.

All of the above characters are over powered and undercosted. Some more so than others. Let's look at Tzeentch's pal, the least of the overpowered ICs.
He's 50 points more than Ahriman, has a 2+ armor save, plasma pistol, Disk, +1 wound, Eternal Warrior, more powers to choose from, and Eldar's Runes of Warding.

Do you REALLY think all of that is only worth 50 points? Because I definitely don't and I think anyone else you show him will agree with that.


Now let's look at debatably the most OP one, Nurgle. So there isn't much of anything close to what he is so let's compare him to Typhus.
+2 S, +1 T, +1 W, -3 I, and gains 3++. Now I'll admit that the -3 Initiative is a big thing. Going AFTER most mech instead of before is hard. But considering what he gains on the statline alone it's definitely a huge gain.
Now he looses the Psychic powers which are another loss to consider, as well as grenades. So definitely have to keep that in mind. BUT. He becomes an Eternal Warrior. That's a big points hike. He becomes S8 in melee... So you can wound Trygons on a 2+ and ID them? No. Just no. OH and he gives THE ENTIRE ARMY Feel No Pain? That is absolutely ridiculous. Remove the FNP army and he'd still be OP.
S8 T6 2+/3++ FNP are the kind of things that make these characters you posted unplayable. And honestly. I think that a lot of players would simply refuse to play you at all after even requesting to play one of these.

Please put more thought into whether an IC is fun to play against too. You might enjoy having an unbeatable behemoth, but if no one will play you how fun is that?

That khorne guy...and my 50 guard blob... Saturday at dawn...

The Vessel of Fury/Excess/Decay/Change......................... 200 points or so.

As the Chaos gods are the manifestations of the emotions of an entire galaxy, so is the Vessel of Fury the manifestation of the collective chaos of the battlefield. At first, it is little more than a resonant wind of energy, but if left unmolested on the battlefield, it rapidly grows into an nigh-unstoppable horror as it focuses the tainted magic and unrepentant slaughter of the enemy into itself, taking on the purest form of whatever magic is causing the most chaos.

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WS:2 BS:2 S:2 T:1 W:2 I:1 A:1 Ld:10 Sv: -
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Unit Type: Infantry (Unique)
Wargear: Ethereal hands
Special Rules: All variants of the Vessel have the Daemon special rule as per Codex: Daemons

The powers of the Vessel change according to whichever god's presence is most felt on the field:
Vessel of Fury: If the majority of the models in your army follow Khorne (i.e. Bloodletters, Juggernaughts, Bloodcrushers, etc make up more than 50% of the models in your army), the Vessels Unit Type Changes to Monstrous Creature. Keep tally of how many whole squads have been destroyed completely, both friendly and enemy. For each whole squad that has been destroyed, increase all of the Vessels stats by 1 (with the exception of Ballistic Skill and Leadership), including the save (since the save is currently -, the first unit destroyed would increase the save to 6+, then the next to 5+, and so on). The Vessel also gains the Furious Charge special rule and the Unholy Strength gift. All models, both friendly and enemy, within 12" of the Vessel of Fury gain the Rage special rule. Once per game, all friendly models may make a single bonus attack at the Vessels current Strength. This does not have to be all at the same time.

Vessel of Excess: If the majority of the models in your army follow Slaanesh (i.e Fiends of Slaanesh, Seekers, Daemonettes, etc), then the Vessel's Unit Type changes to Beast. For each enemy squad that has come under the effects of any Gifts of Slaanesh, with the exception of Aura of Aquiscence, increase the all of the stats by by 1, with the two exceptions of Weapon Skill and Initiative, which increase by two. The Vessel of Excess also has the Aura of Aquiescence and Rending claws daemonic gifts. Once per game, the Vessel of Excess may move up to D3+1 units, following the normal rules for the Pavane of Slaanesh (this power does not count towards stat increases) If a squad that came under the effects of any of Slaanesh's gifts is wiped out entirely, the Vessels stats remain and are not reduced.

Vessel of Decay: If the majority of the models in your army follow Nurgle, then keep track of how many units have taken wounds from any of the Gifts of Nurgle that can wound. For each enemy squad that has at least three models that have taken a wound from any of Nurgle's gifts, increase the Vessel of Decay's stats by 1. For the first enemy squad that takes a wound from any of Nurgle's gifts, increase the Vessel's Toughness by 2. Once per game, at the beginning of the shooting phase, the Vessel of Decay may create a rainstorm of the most foul and toxic rain imaginable, as if Nurgle himself was pouring out the contents of his cauldron over the battlefield. All enemy units take one S2 AP - hit for each member of their unit. After activating this power, all Nurgle daemons gain +1 Toughness until the end of the next player turn. The Vessel of Decay also has the Breath of Chaos Daemonic Gift.

Vessel of Change: If the majority of the models in your army follow Tzeentch, then add +1 to all of the Vessel of Change's stats (except for Ballistic Skill, which is increased by 2) for every game turn that has passed, meaning that once game turn 1 has concluded, the Vessel gain +1 to all stats (except Leadership, of course), and so on. The Vessel of Tzeentch has all of the Gifts of Tzeentch. Once per game turn at the beginning of the movement phase, and only after game turn 1 has concluded, the Vessel may choose D3 friendly units or D3 pieces of terrain. If D3 units have been selected, the owning player may move them up to 6" in any direction. This does not count as moving for the purposes of firing weapons and the units may move again after this move has been completed. Alternatively, if D3 pieces of terrain are selected instead, roll the scatter die and a single d6 for each piece of terrain. Each piece of terrain then scatters the direction the scatter die indicates and the distance the D6" indicates.

There we go! Now that is a very interesting and original character. I'd say give it Eternal Warrior lest it get one shot by a bolter =P

My biggest problem would be against the Nurgle one, as he'll gain a wound for each wound dealt making him pretty stinking powerful. But I'm not familiar enough with Daemons codex to say whether or not it's OP.

Okay, that sounds Interesting...

Quintus Licinius Cartarch, Legion Champion XX Legio, Killer of All

500 points

Quintus Cartarch was a student of swordplay for his entire life. Born into an unknown aristocratic house on an unknown planet in an unknown system, Quintus and his brother Quetzal were trained from birth in aristocratic pursuits of the nobility. Recruited together into the Alpha Legion, he quickly became renowned in the Legion as second to none when it came to swordsmanship, rivalling even the twin Primarchs. Virtually unknown outside of his Legion, he often masqueraded as Alpharius as a matter of standard practise. His tenure as Champion came to an end on Eskrador, where as fate would have it, he and his retinue were cornered by the Ultramarines, and despite his formidable skills, he fell to the vengeful gladius of Robute Guilliman.

Type: Infantry (unique)

WS8 BS6 S4 T4 W4 I7 A5 Ld10 Sv2+

Wargear: artificer armour, frag and krak grenades

Bane-of-men: Bane-of-men is Quintus Cartarch's master crafted power sword. with a long, two handed grip and a short leaf shaped blade, it makes for an unusual yet highly lethal weapon. Bane-of-men is a Master-crafted Relic Blade that inflicts Instant Death. Unlike normal Storm shields and Relic Blades, Quintus gains an extra attack for wielding 2 weapons.

Invidiosa: Invidiosa is a shield that Quintus uses in conjuncture with Bane-of-men, in the manner of champions of old. WHat his opponents don't realise, however, is that the shield is razor edged and enclosed by a power field, effectively doubling as an extra power weapon. Invidiosa is a Storm Shield. Unlike normal Storm shields and Relic Blades, Quintus gains an extra attack for wielding 2 weapons.

Special Rules: Independent Character, Fearless, Eternal Warrior

I am Alpharius: Even other Alpha Legionaries can be fooled into thinking Cartarch is the Primarch. All Friendly units are Ld10 and gain Furious Charge and Counter attack.

Blade Lord: Quintus' highly unusual combination of a storm shield strapped to his fore-arm in addition to a 2 handed short sword makes him a nightmare opponent to face. His entirely unpredictable and broken rhythm of stabs, slashes, hacks and thrusts, each capable of taking an enemy's life, makes it impossible to dodge or parry his attacks. Quintus always hits on a 2+ in combat against opponents with a WS, regardless of what that WS is. Furthermore, if fighting the same opponent, Quintus gains Preferred Enemy against that opponent from the 2nd round of combat onwards.

felixander wrote:There we go! Now that is a very interesting and original character. I'd say give it Eternal Warrior lest it get one shot by a bolter =P

My biggest problem would be against the Nurgle one, as he'll gain a wound for each wound dealt making him pretty stinking powerful. But I'm not familiar enough with Daemons codex to say whether or not it's OP.

Actually, the Daemon special rule includes Eternal Warrior. And the Save value is Invulnerable. So yeah. pretty powerful. Basically, this guy is extremely weak the first game turn. Then, he starts getting better, until game turn 5, where he's the equivalent of a Greater Daemon, or perhaps even more powerful.

EDIT: After looking at the Nurgle one again, I changed it so at least three models in a unit must have wounds from any of Nurgle's gifts. Against Horde armies, this guy will be a pain.

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Anvildude wrote:Okay, that sounds Interesting...

in a good or bad way?

felixander wrote:Edited: I said things that came across as being mean for the sake of being mean. Sorry.

I'm going to assume you're a herald of Khorne sent to simply to make people angry and spread rage so that they will spill more blood for the blood god. Nothing else seems like a logical explanation.

All of the above characters are over powered and undercosted. Some more so than others. Let's look at Tzeentch's pal, the least of the overpowered ICs.
He's 50 points more than Ahriman, has a 2+ armor save, plasma pistol, Disk, +1 wound, Eternal Warrior, more powers to choose from, and Eldar's Runes of Warding.

Do you REALLY think all of that is only worth 50 points? Because I definitely don't and I think anyone else you show him will agree with that.


Now let's look at debatably the most OP one, Nurgle. So there isn't much of anything close to what he is so let's compare him to Typhus.
+2 S, +1 T, +1 W, -3 I, and gains 3++. Now I'll admit that the -3 Initiative is a big thing. Going AFTER most mech instead of before is hard. But considering what he gains on the statline alone it's definitely a huge gain.
Now he looses the Psychic powers which are another loss to consider, as well as grenades. So definitely have to keep that in mind. BUT. He becomes an Eternal Warrior. That's a big points hike. He becomes S8 in melee... So you can wound Trygons on a 2+ and ID them? No. Just no. OH and he gives THE ENTIRE ARMY Feel No Pain? That is absolutely ridiculous. Remove the FNP army and he'd still be OP.
S8 T6 2+/3++ FNP are the kind of things that make these characters you posted unplayable. And honestly. I think that a lot of players would simply refuse to play you at all after even requesting to play one of these.

Please put more thought into whether an IC is fun to play against too. You might enjoy having an unbeatable behemoth, but if no one will play you how fun is that?

I don't actually play CSM, I just tried to make a theme. Just going to edit it and +100 pts to everyone.

Sergeant Bilko

Bilko is an upgrade character for any unit of Ratling snipers. He costs +5 points and has the following special rules and stats:


WS – 2 BS – 4 S – 2 T – 2 W – 1 I – 4 A – 1 Ld – 6 Sv – 5+ infantry, upgrade character
flak armour, sniper rifle, laspistol
Black Marketeer, Naturally Cautious, Nervous in the Service, Infiltrate, Stealth


Black Marketeer: Bilko is a scrounger without equal. Sadly this works to the detriment of his army but more happily Bilko's unit tend to benefit. At the start of the player’s deployment roll d6 and consult the following table: Any equipment Bilko’s unit has ‘acquired’ may be used by them, and only by them, in the game:

1 – What? No loot? Sometimes even Bilko comes up short...
2 – Dig In! Bilko has snaffled another unit’s petrol and rations. Randomly select a unit from the army. If it is a vehicle or squadron then it must roll d6 every time it moves, on a roll of 1 it runs out of petrol and is immobilised (this is done before rolling for difficult or dangerous terrain); infantry are fainting with hunger and so treat clear terrain as difficult and difficult terrain as dangerous. If an infantry unit has a dedicated transport, both suffer! Bilko’s men, however, are living the life of Riley. They may not move voluntarily during the game but, if deployed in cover ,they count as being in a fortification. Also, they can use the petrol for Molotov cocktails and so count as having defensive grenades if charged.
3 – Those schmucks! Short of cash, Bilko has been playing cards for ammo. Randomly select a unit of troops. That unit must now re-roll successful all to-hit rolls, Bilko’s unit may re-roll any failed to-hit rolls.
4 – Nice Duds! Bilko has acquired extra camouflage for his men, adding one to their cover save and allowing them a 6+ cover save even in the open. Sadly he has had to sell another unit’s armour to get this gear. Randomly select one unit of troops: the selected unit lose their armour save for the duration of the game.
5 – Taxi! Randomly select a transport vehicle from amongst the army (this may be a dedicated transport). The owning unit lose it; Bilko’s squad now treat this vehicle as their dedicated transport (even if it is not normally designated as such) and must be deployed inside it or enter play inside it. No other unit may enter this vehicle unless Bilko’s squad are destroyed.
6 – Ooh, Shiny! Randomly select a unit of troops. All the unit’s weapon and equipment upgrades (even if unusable by Bilko’s men) are transferred to Bilko’s squad and assigned amongst them as the player chooses.

Naturally Cautious: If Bilko takes an unsaved wound, his unit scatters in panic and is destroyed. But Bilko has an uncanny knack of surviving due to his extreme caution (unkind people call it cowardice). Every turn, at the start of the Guard player’s turn, roll d6. On a roll of 1, Bilko may be placed anywhere on the battlefield more than 12” from an enemy unit.

Nervous in the Service: Bilko dislikes combat. If his unit is charged, they will automatically fall back 2d6” before the enemy makes contact unless they are in a fortification (including benefiting from Dig In!) or are in a vehicle. If his unit goes to ground, they may re-roll any failed cover save.

Captain Sendroth, Master of Sieges - 350pts
Unit type: Infantry
Unit Compostion: 1 (Unique)

WS 6
BS 5
S 4
T 4
W 3
I 5
A 3
Ld 10
Sv 2+/4++

Wargear:
Artificer Armour: Sendroth wears a suit of ancient, unique armour that can turn aside even the harshest of blows. Incarael has a 2+ armour save.
Tesla Field: Sendroth has a device fitted into his armour that creates a personal shield of electricity that can deflect almost all blows. Incarael has a 4+ invulnerable save.
Plasma Pistol
Sanguine Halberd: As a captain of the 9th company, Sendroth is the bearer of the Sanguine Halberd, a fabled weapon that consists of a massive chain blade attached to the end of a staff. This weapon is dangerous in the hands of any person. In the hands of a veteran, however, it becomes truly lethal. The Sanguine Halberd is a 2 handed close combat weapon which adds 2 Initiative to the bearer in combat, and has the Rending special rule.
Bloodstrike Storm: Sendroth has many weapons of war at his disposal. Foremost amongst these is the Bloodstrike Storm, a hail of Bloodstrike missiles launched by high flying Stormraven Gunships. Once per battle, Sendroth may forsake all other actions except fighting to launch a Bloodstrike Storm, using the following profile: Str 8, AP 1, Large Blast, Ordnance D3.

Special Rules:
Independent Character: Sendroth is an Independent Character as stated in the Warhammer 40,000 Rulebook
Fearless: Sendroth is a veteran of many wars. He has become used to the heat of battle, and therefore has the Fearless Special Rule as detailed in the Warhammer 40,000 Rulebook.
Master of Sieges: Sendroth is the captain of the 9th company and a master of siege warfare, preferring to fight from afar rather than in a close, bloody assault. In an army that includes Incarael, 1 Devastator Squad counts as a Troops choice.

Fluff coming soon.

So after going over C:SM and C:GK, I realized that Arakor has far more in common with Imperial Assassins than anything else. He's not the CM anymore, he's the Master at Arms. This new guy is the Chapter Master.

FK fluff:


Arakor, Master at Arms of the Forge Knights..........................................................200 points

Fluff
Stats
Pyralis, Chapter Master of the Forge Knights.............................................190 points
Upon the creation of the Forge Knights, Pyralis was named Chapter Master. Since then, he and his chapter have done much to earn the ire of the Adeptus Mechanicus. Aside from promoting individual ingenuity, one of Pyralis’ first acts as Chapter Master was to get rid of all suits of Tactical Dreadnaught Armor by means of trading them to other chapters or breaking them down for parts and materials. This act stunned many, as Terminator Armor is widely considered an honor to wear or even possess, and marked the beginning of his long and interesting career.

Artificer Company: There are no Terminators in the Forge Knights. Instead, all members of the Forge Knights 1st company wear Artificer armor. If Pyralis is leading the army, Terminators may not be taken. Instead, up to three units of Honor Guard may be taken as Elites in addition to the unit of Honor Guard Pyralis may take. They use the following profile: