Guys I'm making a new thread for this. I'll post a link soon.
Here's the link. If you want to discuss the fluff, you do it there.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/465664.page

So what's this thread for?

purplefood wrote:So what's this thread for?

Trying to escape criticism.

No, the title says it all.
Discussion on whether the IoM would use xenos. Not necessarily for my race.

After 11 pages it's far too late to suddenly totally change the topic, I'd suggest a lock.

Forget this post.

Ok, I pulled myself together after last night's episode.
I know I've been doing it all wrong. So... I propose...
I make this a collaboration. I have the basic codex layout on publisher 2010. It just needs fluff. I did the army list absolutely ages ago. I will need to edit the army list according to the fluff we decide on.
Invited persons, you say?
blood reaper (yes, surprisingly. He has helped point out the holes in my current fluff, so it would be great if he could be on team and helped to edit them out.)
Trondheim (if you still want to... Of course, this applies to everyone on this list)
purplefood
TheCaptain
Makarov
The Obsidian King (I do believe he posted on a previous topic, not sure which. But he's nice, so he's in!)
Matapata98 (a trusted friend of mine. I've recently moved to the UAE. I'm gonna miss him )
Matsa13 (recently joined, also a fried from England)
The only way I'm ever going to give this race even the slightest chance of being published is if I have older, more experienced members who do know all the facts in 40k helping me. Sure, I have read the main pages of the 40k wiki, but some things aren't on there which you guys have said to me in previous topics.
I'll make it an article. That way anyone can edit it. Or I could make it friends only.
You don't need to help if you really don't want to, but I would be mega grateful if you did.
Kind regards,
Mynameisalie.

Anyone willing to take me up on the offer?
Hello? Anyone? Come on guys!

Mynameisalie wrote:Ok, I pulled myself together after last night's episode.
I know I've been doing it all wrong. So... I propose...
I make this a collaboration. I have the basic codex layout on publisher 2010. It just needs fluff. I did the army list absolutely ages ago. I will need to edit the army list according to the fluff we decide on.
Invited persons, you say?
blood reaper (yes, surprisingly. He has helped point out the holes in my current fluff, so it would be great if he could be on team and helped to edit them out.)
Trondheim (if you still want to... Of course, this applies to everyone on this list)
purplefood
TheCaptain
Makarov
The Obsidian King (I do believe he posted on a previous topic, not sure which. But he's nice, so he's in!)
Matapata98 (a trusted friend of mine. I've recently moved to the UAE. I'm gonna miss him )
The only way I'm ever going to give this race even the slightest chance of being published is if I have older, more experienced members who do know all the facts in 40k helping me. Sure, I have read the main pages of the 40k wiki, but some things aren't on there which you guys have said to me in previous topics.
I'll make it an article. That way anyone can edit it. Or I could make it friends only.
You don't need to help if you really don't want to, but I would be mega grateful if you did.
Kind regards,
Mynameisalie.

to be honest, i think its a pipedream that GW will publish your race in their universe. Sometimes they will acknowledge the input of players (for example, the ork "green kroosade" fluff from the Eye of Terror campaign a few years back was named from an ork player group of the same name who did rather well in the overall standings), and some players (i know some personally) get their names in the special thanks sections of the various codices for their input , but in terms of accepting your work on an entirely new race and making it an official part of the 40k lore? Im sorry mate, but that isnt going to happen - GW have enough trouble dealing with their own races. hundreds of thousands of people have sent in their stuff, and nothing has come out of it. thats reality mate. thats simply how it is. that said, this project is important to you. Im happy yo lend a hand, where possible, and help bring this race to life, even if its only in your head and your close friends, but you need to understand my POV on your races place in the universe (both in our reality, GW corporate reality, and the "reality" of the 40kiverse)

And by the way, one big help/suggestion is for you to go and read the 40k lore. the main pages on the 40k wiki isnt enough, if you ask me. read as much as you can. try an understand what the universe is, and what its underlying themes are. not for this project necessarily, but just because so much of the lore is really cool.

This thread is really something. I haven't been so amused in a long time. I feel my inner sadist breaking free.

Kid, I was like you once. I seriously recommend taking some time off, maybe even years, and looking at this again at a later point. You'll be sickened by what you've created. I guarantee it.

Which is hardly anything currently.
I scrapped all previous fluffs. I started again. And what I actually managed to put together was quite coherent. And mostly fits with the fluff. A few holes, yes, but I can't figure out how to plug them.
I have reasons for why they are the way they are.
Name? Ok, that was just the first thing that came into my head. It was mostly linked to their anatomy. Which was a feline biped, humanoid in stature, but cat-like in appearance. That was also the first thing that came into my head. That and no matter how hard I tried to think, there was no other form I could come up with that I thought wasn't a copy of another race I knew at the time.
Ok, I like psykers. So what? It makes them much harder to write, but the fluff I'm still trying to develop explains how they became psykers. Inn a strange way, yes, but it still manages to explain how they become psykers in a coherent manner.
Technology. Damn it, I love tech as well. They have tech, but the fluff I've written explains they have got most of it from the Tau, so most of the tech they have doesn't fit with the race. That sounds stupid, yes, but the Tau have no psykers whatsoever. They can't just "know" how to make tech for psykers, so the Lynx have had to develop some of their own.
Alliances. IoM? No way. They're xenos psykers that may (potentially) worship a benign daemon. A fething daemon. Before you say anything against that I have made a thread that has got me a lot of support for that possibility. Hence, the benign daemon acts as their goddess, the Artaich. She's a young daemon (or rather an angel) of Tzeentch, or another God I still haven't considered. Tzeentch is the one that is most likely to create a benign daemon, so he's just the one I picked. Which explains the Lynx's psychic powers. They get them from a daemon of Tzeentch!
I strayed off the alliances. As I have made it clear, they are allied with the Tau, and have shaky relationships with the Eldar, who they met when they stepped through a Warp Portal/Webway Gate at the centre of their planet. No other races have really even seen them.
That's most of the explanation done. Some things I am still mulling over in my head. So I'm not asking for patronisation on what I haven't written. That's actually what I have been getting. I have got a half-formed fluff; it's not finished; it's going to have holes in it.
If I sound aggressive, I don't mean to. If I sound harsh, I don't mean to, OK? I have a bit of a temper problem, which causes a lot of what I say to sound as if I want to hit something. My friends back in England can attest to that.
That's is quite possibly that longest post I have ever made.

Benign demons are totally possible, demons are just manifestation of emotion in the warp. Benign demons of Tzeentch however are not really possible, Tzeentch is an donkey-cave.

My suggestion would be to get into DnD, you seem to be be a very creative young person so a setting with more flexible rules with more emphasis on creating a story would probably suit you better.

Corpsesarefun wrote:Benign demons are totally possible, demons are just manifestation of emotion in the warp. Benign demons of Tzeentch however are not really possible, Tzeentch is an donkey-cave.

My suggestion would be to get into DnD, you seem to be be a very creative young person so a setting with more flexible rules with more emphasis on creating a story would probably suit you better.

Already done something like that. The book is called dungeoneer. It's a multiplayer version of Fighting Fantasy, I think.
I have let my entire imagination off the leash for that. The story I wrote, when I read it back to myself, my head very nearly exploded. I don't mean to brag or anything, it's just I found it totally annd utterly amazing.
No joke.
I have an insanely huge imagination. It's bigger than the Milky Way, I'll give you that. But that's the thing, isn't it? Imagination is one of the greatest gifts of mankind. It's just lucky I got the lion's share
Tzeentch is an donkey-cave. But still, I like psychic powers, and the daemon of Tzeentch thing explains the psychic talent a bit better than any other theory I have come up with.
And anyone who ever wants to write a story or any piece of fluff, I recommend following these tips:
Open this link:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCEAD7F4AE1961A8B&feature=mh_lolz
Click on play all. Shuffle.
Write.
4 steps is all it takes. I write everything to this. I know what I write for 40k sucks, but seriously, the gak I put together on that playlist works wonders.

Psychic powers don't have to be Tzeentchian, they just normally are. In the somewhat disused Sensei fluff there are psychic abilities that draw power from the warp presence of the Emperor, so it would follow that a strongly psychic benign race could create a very minor (greater demon level) warp god.

And just a helpful hint, never describe your own work as amazing, ever.

Hold on a sec, you're saying my race should gain their power from the Emperor?
That would be pretty cool.
And, yeah sorry. I have a tendency to just let myself go when I write, so it's not me writing. I'm just watching the story come to life. My fingers have minds of their own. Ever had a feeling like that? It's better than anything you can ever imagine.

No damnit! The Emperor also dislikes xenos.

What I'm saying is that while a benign warp power source is possible, a chaos god acting benign isn't.

Sorry, I didn't fully understand what you meant.
What I was trying to say earlier, is that the Lord Of Change is cut off from Tzeentch; the crystal is a containment unit for the daemon. It will never escape. Tzeentch can't get into the crystal either. How the daemon got there I'm still trying to figure out. But, when the Lynx began worshipping the crystal, the positive emotion (hope, faith etc) inverted the daemon; it is ow the Lynx's goddess.

Again, it would be much easier to just go the traditional route and have the god be a warp reflection of the race...

Before creating Slaanesh the Eldar created a dozen lesser gods (Khaine, Isha, Vaul, etc) that served as their pantheon, the Orks have Gork and Mork, the Imperium has the Emperor.

Ok, yeah sure.
I still think the daemon thing would add more depth. However, having the deity trapped inside the crystal anyway would be quite ominous; a crystal not native to the galaxy, containing a deity of untold power, and unknown intent...

The daemon thing wouldn't make sense.
They do not change nature.
They do no 'invert'.
In fact it's more likely that would corrupt the entire race if they were worshiping it while it was trapped in the crystal...
Say it's a warp entity they have worshiped since the dawn of their race and now it's powerful in the warp to the point where it can shield the psykers of your race provided they bond to the crystal via an imprinting.
An imprinting is where the psyker in question remains by the crystal for days at a time focusing on becoming one with the entity inside until they share a common consciousnesses. This eventually fades for all but the most powerful psykers (I'm talking like 1 in a trillion).
What is left is a slightly weakened but controllable and safer psychic ability to be used in combat or for more mundane uses.
The creature inside the crystal only communicates with the highest in the order of whoever is looking after it (Priests priestesses etc) and they are in charge of the spiritual guidance of the race and act as advisers to the race's leaders.
It's origins and intentions are as of yet unknown to all but those who remain in contact with its consciousness.

As for rules, counts as eldar would work REALLY well.

You could have an avatar of this god using the rules of an avatar of khaine for example.

Counts as Eldar mostly, but there are a few unique things I've already kitted them out with.

In fact, a LOT of unique things.

Double post.

purplefood wrote:The daemon thing wouldn't make sense.
They do not change nature.
They do no 'invert'.
In fact it's more likely that would corrupt the entire race if they were worshiping it while it was trapped in the crystal...
Say it's a warp entity they have worshiped since the dawn of their race and now it's powerful in the warp to the point where it can shield the psykers of your race provided they bond to the crystal via an imprinting.
An imprinting is where the psyker in question remains by the crystal for days at a time focusing on becoming one with the entity inside until they share a common consciousnesses. This eventually fades for all but the most powerful psykers (I'm talking like 1 in a trillion).
What is left is a slightly weakened but controllable and safer psychic ability to be used in combat or for more mundane uses.
The creature inside the crystal only communicates with the highest in the order of whoever is looking after it (Priests priestesses etc) and they are in charge of the spiritual guidance of the race and act as advisers to the race's leaders.
It's origins and intentions are as of yet unknown to all but those who remain in contact with its consciousness.

May I use that?

That's why i posted it.

Mynameisalie wrote:In fact, a LOT of unique things.

Like what?

Their entire army layout, for one. Unfortunately, I lost the digital copy of the army list. I had a lot of stuff on it too. Most of the wargear, psychic powers etc is another. All on the digital copy.

purplefood wrote:That's why i posted it.

But she can assume a physical form for a very limited time. Only a few seconds, most of the time, but sometimes up to an hour.

Mynameisalie wrote:

purplefood wrote:That's why i posted it.

But she can assume a physical form for a very limited time. Only a few seconds, most of the time, but sometimes up to an hour.

Lets not.
Because having a god appear in the material realm is gonna just be silly.
If you want an avatar-esque creature then just say it can project its will through a willing recipient but it needs to have a strong connection to them in the first place, so it must be a strong psyker who had a strong connection during the imprinting ceremony and after they have been possessed as it were the psyker is totally disconnected from the warp. No connection at all.
Some go on to be regular fighters or commanders, other return home to live a regular life, others join the Order and help guide their species.

Having the psyker die would probably make more sense, a mortal body can older act as a vessel for so long.

I was thinking that but then it sounds a lot like the Eldar...
If it is a kinder god then in theory it wouldn't consume the host like Khaine would.
Khaine is inevitably destructive so destruction is the only result for his host.
Maybe a kinder god would limit the strain or at least try to make it so there is a lesser chance of the host dying...

It does anyway, may as well embrace it...

I didn't mean as a combatant. I meant as an illusion, like a hologram.

Well basically any decent psyker could probably do that...
Some are much better at it than others admittedly but most could do it pretty easily.
What would be the point?

She's stuck in the crystal. Permanently. It's a one way trip. So she can't get back out. So instead, she creates an illusion and speaks through that, instead of possessing a psyker.

We were thinking of combat applications...

Yeah, communication would be fairly easy.
There's not much point possessing a psyker just to have a chat...

Practically no combat applications. The crystal completely restricts the entities trapped within from assuming any sort of physical form outside of it. She can do things from within the crystal, e.g. create psychic barriers and such. That's where the lance thing came in. Yes it's mary sue, but it's the Lynx's last planet they actually have any right to. More commonly know as a home planet. Terra's defended just as well.
Does that clear up a few things, including my chain of thought? I confuse myself sometimes. Bet Tzeentch does too. I wouldn't be surprised, with that much plotting going on.

So, this is a benign Chaos God?

What emotions does it represent?

Chaos gods don't have to represent an emotion per say, more of a concept.

The emotions?
The concept?
Light. The belief in that all that is good will prevail. It's one of the Lynx's strongest beliefs.
God, I was listening to that playlist again. So that's why it probably will sound: A. bad and B. cheesy.

It's not hope, it's not courage. I can't describe the emotion properly.

Mynameisalie wrote:Practically no combat applications. The crystal completely restricts the entities trapped within from assuming any sort of physical form outside of it. She can do things from within the crystal, e.g. create psychic barriers and such. That's where the lance thing came in. Yes it's mary sue, but it's the Lynx's last planet they actually have any right to. More commonly know as a home planet. Terra's defended just as well.
Does that clear up a few things, including my chain of thought? I confuse myself sometimes. Bet Tzeentch does too. I wouldn't be surprised, with that much plotting going on.

then how is this warp entity trapped at all if it can destroy fleets of ships and shield an entire planet by itself?

it's not like if an enemy ship gets near Terra the Emperor wakes up and pukes a laser beam at them, there's an entire fleet of ships (half of the Imperial Navy, i think) and a moon covered in guns that take care of that.

and it's not just Terra -- all of Sol is defended, seeing as how Jupiter is where they churn out a ton of their warships and Saturn is Inquisition Central.

Light isn't a concept, the belief that good will prevail is though. Though that opens the morality can of worms, what do they think is good?

Drakmord wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:Practically no combat applications. The crystal completely restricts the entities trapped within from assuming any sort of physical form outside of it. She can do things from within the crystal, e.g. create psychic barriers and such. That's where the lance thing came in. Yes it's mary sue, but it's the Lynx's last planet they actually have any right to. More commonly know as a home planet. Terra's defended just as well.
Does that clear up a few things, including my chain of thought? I confuse myself sometimes. Bet Tzeentch does too. I wouldn't be surprised, with that much plotting going on.

then how is this warp entity trapped at all if it can destroy fleets of ships and shield an entire planet by itself?

it's not like if an enemy ship gets near Terra the Emperor wakes up and pukes a laser beam at them, there's an entire fleet of ships (half of the Imperial Navy, i think) and a moon covered in guns that take care of that.

--->and it's not just Terra -- all of Sol is defended, seeing as how Jupiter is where they churn out a ton of their warships and Saturn is Inquisition Central.<---

That's the point. That much protection for a tiny group of planets? Sheesh!
Ok, she actually can't make a form in the Warp or in realspace. The crystal is almost like a 3rd dimension, that can affect the other two, but nothing can affect it. Using that, the Artaich can cause a multitude of things to happen in the Warp that in turn affect realspace; hence the laser beam.
It's not really a laser. More of a beam of pure energy.
The moon covered with massive guns, and half of the Imperial Navy protects Terra. That's also the point. And here's the thing: would you like to be trapped in a dimension that is collapsing in on itself, with no way to get out? No? Didn't think so. The Artaich will defend Melarift with all the power she is capable of mustering. Which is a hell of a lot.

Mynameisalie wrote:

Drakmord wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:Practically no combat applications. The crystal completely restricts the entities trapped within from assuming any sort of physical form outside of it. She can do things from within the crystal, e.g. create psychic barriers and such. That's where the lance thing came in. Yes it's mary sue, but it's the Lynx's last planet they actually have any right to. More commonly know as a home planet. Terra's defended just as well.
Does that clear up a few things, including my chain of thought? I confuse myself sometimes. Bet Tzeentch does too. I wouldn't be surprised, with that much plotting going on.

then how is this warp entity trapped at all if it can destroy fleets of ships and shield an entire planet by itself?

it's not like if an enemy ship gets near Terra the Emperor wakes up and pukes a laser beam at them, there's an entire fleet of ships (half of the Imperial Navy, i think) and a moon covered in guns that take care of that.

--->and it's not just Terra -- all of Sol is defended, seeing as how Jupiter is where they churn out a ton of their warships and Saturn is Inquisition Central.<---

That's the point. That much protection for a tiny group of planets? Sheesh!
Ok, she actually can't make a form in the Warp or in realspace. The crystal is almost like a 3rd dimension, that can affect the other two, but nothing can affect it. Using that, the Artaich can cause a multitude of things to happen in the Warp that in turn affect realspace; hence the laser beam.
It's not really a laser. More of a beam of pure energy.
The moon covered with massive guns, and half of the Imperial Navy protects Terra. That's also the point. And here's the thing: would you like to be trapped in a dimension that is collapsing in on itself, with no way to get out? No? Didn't think so. The Artaich will defend Melarift with all the power she is capable of mustering. Which is a hell of a lot.

what point? The Imperium is defending the system that their species originated from -- an entire system, not just one planet. is the point that you're trying to justify your Sue Cannon by using the Imperium's military as an example?

Necron Crown/Tomb Worlds don't transform in to Unecron when they're threatened. Orks don't combine in to a Hyper Nob to punch battlebarges out of orbit. and so on.

with all preexisting fluff regarding dimensional containers, whatever is put inside is in there basically for good -- unless someone opens the door for you. bound greater daemons -- Ulkair, for example -- need help to get out, and they can't do anything except communicate and try to push people toward that goal.

for this entity to be trapped and still be able to say "what luck! i'm untouchable and i can destroy everything!" is silly. do you want your race to be Codex: Bound Superdaemon and Friends, or Codex: Lynx?

give them a way to defend themselves instead of relying on this deity.

So, its a god of hope, kinda like Tzeentch.

LoneLictor wrote:So, its a god of hope, kinda like Tzeentch.

Exactly like Tzeentch.

blood reaper wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:So, its a god of hope, kinda like Tzeentch.

Exactly like Tzeentch.

funny how that goes.


also, if nothing can affect it while it's trapped in that crystal, how is it drawing strength from worship? or connecting to the Warp to use its powers?

I have a suggestion for the race as a whole.

So, 40k is purposefully and ludicrously grimdark. The universe is doomed and everything is bad. Now you may say that, "The Eldar are good." First and foremost, the Eldar are a dying race. Secondly, they would gladly sacrifice a million humans to save one of their own kin. In any other setting besides 40k, the Eldar would be baaaaad. And as for the Tau, it's heavily hinted that the Ethereals use mind control. Plus, they're the smallest and weakest faction.

Your faction can't be 100% morally in the right. And a society run by a Chaos God can't be 100% stable and happy.

Drakmord wrote:

Necron Crown/Tomb Worlds don't transform in to Unecron when they're threatened.

you just won the internet.

I prefer Megacron tbh

Drakmord wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:

Drakmord wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:Practically no combat applications. The crystal completely restricts the entities trapped within from assuming any sort of physical form outside of it. She can do things from within the crystal, e.g. create psychic barriers and such. That's where the lance thing came in. Yes it's mary sue, but it's the Lynx's last planet they actually have any right to. More commonly know as a home planet. Terra's defended just as well.
Does that clear up a few things, including my chain of thought? I confuse myself sometimes. Bet Tzeentch does too. I wouldn't be surprised, with that much plotting going on.

then how is this warp entity trapped at all if it can destroy fleets of ships and shield an entire planet by itself?

it's not like if an enemy ship gets near Terra the Emperor wakes up and pukes a laser beam at them, there's an entire fleet of ships (half of the Imperial Navy, i think) and a moon covered in guns that take care of that.

--->and it's not just Terra -- all of Sol is defended, seeing as how Jupiter is where they churn out a ton of their warships and Saturn is Inquisition Central.<---

That's the point. That much protection for a tiny group of planets? Sheesh!
Ok, she actually can't make a form in the Warp or in realspace. The crystal is almost like a 3rd dimension, that can affect the other two, but nothing can affect it. Using that, the Artaich can cause a multitude of things to happen in the Warp that in turn affect realspace; hence the laser beam.
It's not really a laser. More of a beam of pure energy.
The moon covered with massive guns, and half of the Imperial Navy protects Terra. That's also the point. And here's the thing: would you like to be trapped in a dimension that is collapsing in on itself, with no way to get out? No? Didn't think so. The Artaich will defend Melarift with all the power she is capable of mustering. Which is a hell of a lot.

what point? The Imperium is defending the system that their species originated from -- an entire system, not just one planet. is the point that you're trying to justify your Sue Cannon by using the Imperium's military as an example?

Necron Crown/Tomb Worlds don't transform in to Unecron when they're threatened. Orks don't combine in to a Hyper Nob to punch battlebarges out of orbit. and so on.

with all preexisting fluff regarding dimensional containers, whatever is put inside is in there basically for good -- unless someone opens the door for you. bound greater daemons -- Ulkair, for example -- need help to get out, and they can't do anything except communicate and try to push people toward that goal.

for this entity to be trapped and still be able to say "what luck! i'm untouchable and i can destroy everything!" is silly. do you want your race to be Codex: Bound Superdaemon and Friends, or Codex: Lynx?

give them a way to defend themselves instead of relying on this deity.

As I said before, the Artaich can't escape physically. I'm guessing you guys have read the GK codex? Well, Inquisitor valeria: Hyperstone Maze. Traps one independent character within it for the entire game? Nearly the same thing, except there is absolutely no way out of it physically. The Artaich can still, like I said before, affect the other two dimensions psychically, and vice versa. And psyker could effectively communicate with the Artaich, but only the Lynx understand what she means. Any other psyker that listens to it just hears code. And regarding the defences, she can only affect realspace in a small radius around the planet. I'm just trying to ensure if the IoM does find my race it has a way of repelling most of what is flung at it. And it should really have a last resort kind of thing. Not anything like a self-destruct.
Erm, regarding the Tzeentch thing, I'm not 100% sure on what emotion I can base it on. Yes, you're right, it is, base line, hope, but I'm not sure on what emotion/concept I should base it on.
100% morality. Yes, that makes more sense than I initially thought. I don't know how to corrupt them. I understand the Chaos God thing, but I'm not sure what to do with either of them.

Alright, here's my suggestion.

The Artaich was a god of ambition and hope (which are quite intertwined, hope is the belief in a better future (for you at least) and ambition is striving for it), meaning it overlapped with Tzeentch's domain. Tzeentch is not one who likes sharing psychic energy with upstarts like the Artaich. If the opportunity had presented itself, Tzeentch would've simply devoured the Artaich's essence and that would've been the end of it. But that wasn't the case.

The Artaich arranged his own imprisonment on a world populated by the most faithful of his worshipers, the Lynx. Though it limited his power greatly and cut him off from the psychic realm, it gave him a degree of protection from Tzeentch. He acts as a sort of overlord to the Lynx, building up their society and armies in his image. In the process, many of the Lynx begin to question the Artaich. They don't like his selfish philosophy and the greed it breeds amongst the Lynx. After all, part of ambition is wanting better gak for yourself. A civil war breaks out and those Lynx who aren't loyal to the Artaich are purged. There ya go, now they aren't 100% in the right.

The Lynx society works like free market capitalism with everyone attempting to claw their way to the top. If you break your back, lose your job and end in the slums, tough luck. Occasionally they conquer other planets for their spoils, but they're walking on a thin line; take too much and they'll earn the ire of the Imperium. Even its crumbling state, the Imperium is still a grave threat to the relatively tiny Lynx empire.

But you've said that you don't want to make them too evil. So, they aren't unnecessary cruel like the Imperium. Their society has a few restrictions against more heinous crimes, like rape, slavery and murder. Furthermore they don't brainwash people like the Tau. And Lynx aren't creations of pure ambition. Some are generous and kind (just not most). So morally, they're on about the same level as the Eldar.

Never forget though, the most important rule of Lynx society is 'look out for number one'.

There's a good idea.

LoneLictor has some awesome ideas. but, i don't think that the Artaich's imprisonment should be an easy feat. in the fluff, Tesseract Labyrinths (the devices developed by the Necrons and given to the Grey Knights at some point) don't work very well on Greater Daemons. they also had to shatter the C'tan in order to trap them.

a lesser Chaos God would require something fairly extensive to keep itself bound -- a coven of minders, for instance, charged with the constant upkeep of its physical shell.

their capitalist bent would also work wonders in dealing with the Tau, as they could get their hands on that sweet Tau tech through trade or contract. then instead of having a god-laser, the Lynx could point a few guns at the sky like the rest of the galaxy. to say nothing of whatever the Lynx navy may be comprised of.

LL, thank you.
One point, the Artaich is female.
Drakmord, the Priestesses take care of the Animatrix Crystal that contains the Artaich. However, there is a prophecy that one day, maybe sometime in the near future, the Animatrix Crystal will shatter, and Tzeentch will finally be able to bring down his fury upon the Artaich, and consequently, the Lynx race.
Does that help make it a bit more GRIMDARK?

Mynameisalie wrote:LL, thank you.
One point, the Artaich is female.
Drakmord, the Priestesses take care of the Animatrix Crystal that contains the Artaich. However, there is a prophecy that one day, maybe sometime in the near future, the Animatrix Crystal will shatter, and Tzeentch will finally be able to bring down his fury upon the Artaich, and consequently, the Lynx race.
Does that help make it a bit more GRIMDARK?

Now it's grimdark!

It's a doomed society that was only slightly better than the Imperium in the first place.

Thanks!

And this is what I meant by a collaboration

Warps gods don't really have a gender as such...

That fluff sounds good though, I'd give you reason for the lynx to go out and fight.

The Artaich prefers a female form. The Lynx find it more relaxing and comfortable.
Do you mean you'd play them?

And now all I have to do is give them a goal...
I actually have a short film documented somewhere in my head that takes you on a bit of a run-through of the Lynx's home planet. It doesn't have any words. What's even stranger is that it's based off one of my dreams.
I think I have a hyperactive imagination. Not sure whether that's a good thing or a bad thing.

That's pretty normal tbh, most young people have very active imaginations and pretty much everyone dreams about what's on their minds.

Before the horus heresy the emperor did not approve of him being worshipped as a god and he also accepted humanoid aleins that were not hostile. The first book in the horus heresey series by black library provides lots of information about this adn it points out that it was only after the emperor was injured that the imperium became so hostile and intolorant of xenos.

matsa13 wrote:Before the horus heresy the emperor did not approve of him being worshipped as a god and he also accepted humanoid aleins that were not hostile. The first book in the horus heresey series by black library provides lots of information about this adn it points out that it was only after the emperor was injured that the imperium became so hostile and intolorant of xenos.

That was 10,000 years ago.

It wouldn't fly now. (Also you missed like 13 pages of a new topic)

Elector wrote:

matsa13 wrote:Before the horus heresy the emperor did not approve of him being worshipped as a god and he also accepted humanoid aleins that were not hostile. The first book in the horus heresey series by black library provides lots of information about this adn it points out that it was only after the emperor was injured that the imperium became so hostile and intolorant of xenos.

That was 10,000 years ago.

It wouldn't fly now. (Also you missed like 13 pages of a new topic)

Cut him some slack. He's real new, can't you see that? I was like that when I first joined.

I...don't usually check people's post count before reading what they have to say and responding? Sorry about that. Welcome to dakka!

But the general idea is that if a thread goes past like 2-3 pages, read before replying. Topics will shift and your post might no longer be as relevant to the conversation.

(Also, alie, the date joined doesn't necessarily mean you're young or inexperienced with the fluff, I just operate under the assumption that we're all adults, and treat people as such.)

Elector wrote:I...don't usually check people's post count before reading what they have to say and responding? Sorry about that. Welcome to dakka!

But the general idea is that if a thread goes past like 2-3 pages, read before replying. Topics will shift and your post might no longer be as relevant to the conversation.

(Also, alie, the date joined doesn't necessarily mean you're young or inexperienced with the fluff, I just operate under the assumption that we're all adults, and treat people as such.)

Ill have you know that when I post in a thread, I only read the the thread title. Not even the OP.

I use my psychic abilities to predict where the conversation will be by the time I post.

Elector wrote:I...don't usually check people's post count before reading what they have to say and responding? Sorry about that. Welcome to dakka!

But the general idea is that if a thread goes past like 2-3 pages, read before replying. Topics will shift and your post might no longer be as relevant to the conversation.

(Also, alie, the date joined doesn't necessarily mean you're young or inexperienced with the fluff, I just operate under the assumption that we're all adults, and treat people as such.)

Matsa13 and I are both the same age. Well, he's a year older than me anyway. Anyway, back to what is now the topic i.e. my codex that people really don't like.

The Animatrix Crystal found on the Lynx's main planet, Melarift, contains a benign Warp entity who the Lynx call the Artaich. She was formerly an entity that existed in the Warp, and was derived from the positive aspects of all 4 of the ruinous powers. Of course, the other Gods DID NOT like sharing their domains with her, and attempted to destroy her and absorb the essence. Ever resourceful, the Artaich organised her imprisonment inside of a crystal of unknown origin. The only way she did find it was through the fact it had a remarkably strong psychic signature, so she imprisoned herself there, where the other chaos Gods could not touch her. The ruinous powers then threw a temper tantrum that sparked off several catastrophic Warp Storms in an area of the Ghost Stars, the area in which the then non-psychic Lynx had built a relatively small empire using stealth, guile and intelligence. The Warp Storms exterminated every Lynx that lived on a planet, for those were sucked into the Warp. A small fleet of ships that housed only a few million Lynx survived.
Meanwhile, the Artaich had managed to direct the crystal to a nearby planet. It is sheer coincidence that the remaining Lynx managed to get a glimpse of this crystal smashing down onto and seemingly through the planet, spearing it through at the poles. Over the next few days, the Lynx watched in awe as the Artaich worked her energy terraforming the planet for the arrival of the Lynx. She knew they were there, of course, and needed a source of energy. Worship from the Lynx was a suitable option.
A scout team of Lynx touched down on the planet soon after this event. They found a small growth of crystal in a forest clearing. There, the Artaich appeared to the terrified Lynx (they did not even know there was another dimension at the time) and explained her predicament and asked for help. Convinced the Artaich was a God of prophecy, the Lynx immediately pledged their full support and unflinching loyalty towards the Artaich for evermore. In return, the Artaich then caused a rapid mutation of the Lynx's base gene code to allow them to channel the powers of the Warp far more effectively than any other mortal could. However, in her relief, she forgot to mention the drawbacks of such power...
The Lynx began to settle on the planet in relative comfort. They began to experiment with the crystal, and found it was extremely psycho-reactive. They could channel a tiny portion of their energy into it, and it would do practically anything. Emit light, store energy, make sound, particularly a silvery bell like chime. However, simple energy changing practices such as these became more complex and powerful manipulations and castings. Then, the hammer blow. One Lynx was twisting a raging inferno of psychic fire into interesting shapes, when they exploded in a fountain of blood, bones, flesh and out-of-control psychic energy. Nearby spectators collapsed in fits of agony, their minds seemingly destroyed at another psyker's death. Fortunately, they recovered, but were still very badly shaken up.
Unbeknownst to the Lynx, the Artaich had witnessed this horrific spectacle. She had forgotten to tell the Lynx of the dangers of psychic powers, and especially on how theirs are substantially more dangerous. In her fear that she would lose her devout followers, she immediately appeared at a public ceremony and told the Lynx they must bond with her essence within the crystal. To do this, the Lynx had to sit near a crystal for a week, to attain mental and psychic stability and to bond with the Artaich. This period of silence that fell over the planet for that single week is remembered still by all Lynx, and is honoured every Melarift year by a week where Lynx will repeat this ceremony with their planet's crystal.
This bonding process results in a Lynx being tied to a personal crystal, gifted to them at birth by either a Preistess or a Metapsyker, and is conducted when the child ages 13, the age at which they can begin to learn about their powers. The personal crystal leeches energy that may be fatal to the Lynx and stores it. The oldest Lynx have crystals which are so full of psychic energy they generate an intelligent consciousness, which sometimes take physical form. These "daemons" are also tied to the crystal, and bring with them several benefits to the owning Lynx. Firstly, the "daemon pact" allows the Lynx a type of immortality, in which they become eternally young. Secondly, the daemon will act as a bodyguard which cannot truly die, and a powerful one at that. There are other minor benefits which are not really worth knowing about, so I won't go into them.
That is what I have so far. I think it's original, fits with the fluff and explains quite a lot about the Lynx.

It is plausible, Rogue traders are allowed to work with any alien race they come into contact with.

The Obsidian King wrote:It is plausible, Rogue traders are allowed to work with any alien race they come into contact with.

Rogue Traders are allowed a lot of leeway in their practice...

purplefood wrote:

The Obsidian King wrote:It is plausible, Rogue traders are allowed to work with any alien race they come into contact with.

Rogue Traders are allowed a lot of leeway in their practice...

Not all Rouge Traders are considered loyal I'll also add.

You know, with the rouge and the 'tradin?

lol! yes, i agree. But they draw the maps of the imperium so the ones that are loyal might use the aid of Alien races for exploring.

I just have to make sure the Ordo Malleus doesn't find out about my race...

Mynameisalie wrote:I just have to make sure the Ordo Malleus doesn't find out about my race...

Then they can't have any contact with the Imperium.

I mean, none.

Definitely.