494
Post by: H.B.M.C.
But if there's a Neophyte plastic kit, as there is on that list, it would imply that they are not (or are no longer) regular Scouts with a different paint-job.
They could be scouts with lots of BT bling going on.
7361
Post by: Howard A Treesong
stinkyjunk wrote:Also, if this messes with the GW finances in a negative light (lawsuit), we will be the ones paying even higher prices for all this wonderful stuff. I hope we didn't just bring this on ourselves for wanting rumors so badly.
It's a bit like the beaten spouse syndrome again, when the customers get punished, it must be their fault.
The GW secrecy just pisses people off. The problem is that GW are so expensive, that people want to plan their purchases to some degree. GW seem to want to work a strategy against that and aim to get lots of impulse purchases by making everything a surprise. But I think their stuff is just too expensive for that. The other problem is that they seem to confuse secrecy with not building any hype. Simply revealing stuff in their magazine and having it available in the shops is no way to build hype, where's the pomp and circumstance that surrounds each release to turn it into a memorable event?
I'll just quote what I said in a similar thread which has been locked because I think I summed my feelings there,
Getting into Magic the Gathering shows me quite a contrast in approaches. When there's a new release coming for Magic there's a date set well in advance and some little spoilers, and a few weeks before hand the cards for the new set are gradually revealed a few each day. Then a week before the release they support pre-release events in stores everywhere so you can get a few packs of the new set and promotional cards for that specific event. Then they do something similar for the actual release.
GW do none of this. They clamp down on all information until they decide to put it in their monthly sales catalogue. Then the stuff is available on the day if you want to go and buy it.
GW just don't manage any hype or try to engage their customers. Each event from Magic is memorable, they make it eventful and you feel part of something when getting involved, and you get some promotional bits and pieces as extra reward. GW simply don't foster any community with their releases, their White Dwarf is about as exciting as the new Argos catalogue.
31545
Post by: AlexHolker
stinkyjunk wrote:Also, if this messes with the GW finances in a negative light (lawsuit), we will be the ones paying even higher prices for all this wonderful stuff. I hope we didn't just bring this on ourselves for wanting rumors so badly.
Or maybe the executives who think the solution to all problems are "Higher prices!" and "More secrecy!" will be among the casualties, bringing about a Golden Age for the company.
25200
Post by: Temujin
1hadhq wrote:Jadenim wrote: I joked that they were going to be rolled into the main codex, but it looks like I might have been right...
What is this obseession with rolling things into a codex they don't belong in?
Would this leaked list contain scouts and neophytes if they were in the same codex? Would it? You know, models that aren't different, just another name and color.. 
We can only speculate, but the names and codes applied to the Black Templar releases suggest that GW considers them to be Space Marine releases. That could mean nothing, or it could hint at changes to come.
24567
Post by: Kroothawk
Stormtrooper520 wrote:If black templars are rolled into the SM codex. I'm quitting 40k man.
First Black Templar to introduce Furious Retreat
BTW pathtyphon of BoK thinks, this list is made up:
I do want to comment on another rumor that just floated out there day. Someone posted a list of all the new releases GW will be having in the next year. I want to let you know that it is complete bull pucky. Of course, the list does have some truth to it especially when you just re-list the entire GW line of models that doesn’t have newish models! I am also going out on a limb and say that CSM codex is going to be Sept not just the starter set.
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2012/08/10/rumor-has-it-want-round-2-of-csm-rumors/
On the other side:
Neat wrote:Something interesting in regards to creditability, If you look at the Hobbit releases, there are several names units and characters that do *not* exist in the Tolken mythology, yet I know from my work sources exist in the New Line/Peter Jackson Mythology that have not yet been announced and you will not find any hits for on Google.
Make of that what you will.
Harry wrote:Yup. There is stuff in there that I have heard that I wouldn't think is very widely known.
The same is true of some of the 40K stuff. You couldn't guess at this stuff.
If it is a hoax it is a well informed hoax.
Stickmonkey wrote:Not that it matters but I'll second this with Harry. There is a lot of stuff here that jives with what I have seen and heard, and posted. Maybe not in the same timeline and I expected, but certainly the same order.
In addition, with WFB finally getting their digital army books, it just so happens that throws in just enough additional releases into my digital schedule to put SoB late next year/early 2014.
Now, if I can just get the list for 2012-13 into the right hands... oh my, did I say that out loud? 
Avian over at Warseer posted this speculative list, based on the sequence in the list (assuming no Fantasy releases though):
Avian wrote:Making some assumptions (each block = 1 month, 1st month is jun 2013), here's a release list:
Jun13: Codex SoB / Deathwatch + misc
Jul13: more SoB / DW
Aug13: Misc (fantasy month?)
Sep13: Tau add. releases
Oct13: Codex Eldar
Nov13: More Eldar
Dec13: Yet more Eldar
Jan14: CSM add. releases
Feb14: SM terrain
Mar14: Eldar add. releases
Apr14: Codex Space Marines / Black Templars
May14: Black Templar add. releases
Jun14: Yet more marines
Jul14: Codex Orks + DE / IG /CD add. releases
Aug14: More Orks
Sep14: Yet more Orks
Oct14: Even more Orks
Nov14: Space Marine add. releases
Des14: A couple of Daemons
what's your methodology?
The entries alternate between 40K and the Hobbit game. If you delete all the Hobbit stuff you are left with 19 blocks of 40K releases. At a glance, each block looks big enough to be one month's releases, so I'll make a guess and assume it is. One of the notes at the bottom says to not expect this before June 2013 at the earliest, so just to have a starting point, I set the first month as June 2013. I assume that when there are several months in a row with one army's releases, the first month has the codex. If there is just a single month for one army, I assume it's a 'wave' release.
Now, there is a huge Hobbit release in block 14, which could correspond to July 2014, and just in time for movie #3, which is out about that time. It would also mean an Ork release in July, though, which is out of character for GW. So I wouldn't bet a lot of money on the starting month being exactly June next year, but somewhere around there is probably likely, I think.
4001
Post by: Compel
This is definitely not a plan. Wouldn't you think that New Line would want to be the first to reveal that:
Arwen and Aragorn are part of the White Council
That the Beornings have a large role in the story.
Galadriel uses a 'watersteed' - It either being a power ala Flight to the Ford, or something else...
The story of Turin will be retold in some form.
Sauron will be present as a 'Flesh Avatar'
Saruman will battle some Ringwraiths
Radagast may ride a chariot.
Female Dwarves will be present.
There will be a cameo from Gimli and Sam.
They will depict Gollum's escape at the end.
4875
Post by: His Master's Voice
Kroothawk wrote:BTW pathtyphon of BoK thinks, this list is made up
Who to believe - Harry, who mentioned the list fits with info he has from other sources, or a guy who doesn't even realize the list starts about halfway through 2013...
39827
Post by: scarletsquig
Compel wrote:This is definitely not a plan. Wouldn't you think that New Line would want to be the first to reveal that:
Arwen and Aragorn are part of the White Council
That the Beornings have a large role in the story.
Galadriel uses a 'watersteed' - It either being a power ala Flight to the Ford, or something else...
The story of Turin will be retold in some form.
Sauron will be present as a 'Flesh Avatar'
Saruman will battle some Ringwraiths
Radagast may ride a chariot.
Female Dwarves will be present.
There will be a cameo from Gimli and Sam.
They will depict Gollum's escape at the end.
Yes, you would expect New Line to be the first, and so would New Line themselves, which is why this represents a *serious* problem for GW, they just screwed up their NDA with New Line cinema by allowing this to be leaked.
7801
Post by: Mick A
Has anyone concidered that these leaks and rumours might be from GW themselves? Since they changed to the week before release way of doing things they have still had the same amount of hype etc from 'leaks' for a long time beforehand and it hasn't cost them a penny...
46636
Post by: English Assassin
Helveticus the Ancient, Bearer of Honour
Whether this list is genuine or not, somebody - whether they're a GW writer or a fantasist on the internet - doesn't realise that in this context "ancient" is a rank - an old-fashioned English corruption of "ensign" - not an epithet for an old man; he should be "Ancient Helveticus", just as Sicarius is "Captain Cato Sicarius", not "Cato Sicarius the Captain".
59491
Post by: d3m01iti0n
Previous Black Templars Finecast minis have always had "Space Marine" on their base tab. The SM listing means absolutely nothing at this point.
60576
Post by: tyrant of loserville
AlexHolker wrote:stinkyjunk wrote:Also, if this messes with the GW finances in a negative light (lawsuit), we will be the ones paying even higher prices for all this wonderful stuff. I hope we didn't just bring this on ourselves for wanting rumors so badly.
Or maybe the executives who think the solution to all problems are "Higher prices!" and "More secrecy!" will be among the casualties, bringing about a Golden Age for the company.
I like the way you think, but more of a Grey Age for GW. As in grey plastic for everyone, the streets will be lined with the stuff.  One thing is for sure, someones getting canned. 
61627
Post by: KalashnikovMarine
Well that whole someone getting canned thing will be the canary to let us know if this is real or not I suppose.
41664
Post by: ShatteredBlade
Plastic Sisters of Battle? My dream kit!? Yeah, won't happen.
123
Post by: Alpharius
Kroothawk wrote:Stormtrooper520 wrote:If black templars are rolled into the SM codex. I'm quitting 40k man.
First Black Templar to introduce Furious Retreat
Now that is one of the funniest things I've read on Dakka Dakka in a long time - thank you for the good laugh Kroot!
62507
Post by: Akisame
Guys, with all respect, this is clearly made up, grab a couple of GW boxsets, or head over to the online store and fill a cart with a few marine kits, a generic daemon kit or two, a codex and a bit of terrain, and a couple of fine cast kits from the same range.
Now look at the 11 digit codes for all of them, you'll start to notice that they make a sort of sense, the codes actually mean something...
Unlike all the ones in that list.
8926
Post by: BladeWalker
If it's real or not, I don't know. But, if GW were to give us a tentative release schedule for 40k like this I can honestly say I would spend MORE money on GW. I could plan and save for each major release rather than having to just rat hole money and hope something more tempting does not come along first. Speaking real, if GW had let me know ahead of time about the newest Daemon releases I would have saved money for them... but instead I spent it on some Kickstarters and some other gaming stuff. Secrecy is keeping them from getting my money the past year... and only my own research and hopes have got me saving up for the Chaos release this fall. If it comes later than expected due to misinformation then GW will again be losing my money as it goes toward other gaming companies that want to let me know ahead of time what this holiday season might hold...
When they let us know a month ahead of time I always bought GW stuff pre-ordered and full retail from my FLGS or GW store. With the secrecy and ambush marketing I only purchase online at a discount... so GW is motivating me to not only buy less products with secrecy but they are literally helping to nail the coffin closed on retailers (including their own stores). Seems bass ackwards to me but oh well.
16233
Post by: deleted20250424
Akisame wrote:Guys, with all respect, this is clearly made up, grab a couple of GW boxsets, or head over to the online store and fill a cart with a few marine kits, a generic daemon kit or two, a codex and a bit of terrain, and a couple of fine cast kits from the same range.
Now look at the 11 digit codes for all of them, you'll start to notice that they make a sort of sense, the codes actually mean something...
Unlike all the ones in that list.
You have to appreciate the value brought by a persons first post claiming that this is bunk.
Smells like GW rat trying to difuse the situation!
Where's my tinfoil hat?
Admit it, YOU were the one that leaked this and are trying to do damage control to save your job.
53128
Post by: shamroll
Maybe I missed something but I don't see a single piece of Tyranids. This makes me a sad panda but at least I know I will get some longevity out of my Harpies I'm building.
37700
Post by: Ascalam
The list is supposed ton be from about a year hence on.
If it's real that could mean that your Nids will all be released before then 
The Voidraven isn't on there either, after all
43757
Post by: BlackRaven1987!!
I have looked over this list maybe a dozen times and something about it just doesn't feel right, the lack of fantasy stuff I have brought up in previous posts granted there may be other pages, but there just seems to be so many holes. There is no logic to the groups of models (granted not a strong argument when discussing GW's release strategy). That and why would we get the release schedule starting a year from now, we have no idea what is releasing a month from now but now have this magical list to tell us what is coming a year and further from now, no I am sorry makes no sense....as much as I would like some of this list to be true, my gut tells me that this list is not what it seems to be.
44272
Post by: Azreal13
Akisame wrote:Guys, with all respect, this is clearly made up, grab a couple of GW boxsets, or head over to the online store and fill a cart with a few marine kits, a generic daemon kit or two, a codex and a bit of terrain, and a couple of fine cast kits from the same range.
Now look at the 11 digit codes for all of them, you'll start to notice that they make a sort of sense, the codes actually mean something...
Unlike all the ones in that list.
I'll echo the fact that one post undermines any credibility you bring, along with a number of recognised authorities appearing to endorse it.
As for the codes, it could well be manufacturing references and not sales SKUs, which may be allocated further down thebline.
Not saying you're wrong, just pointing out why you may be.
494
Post by: H.B.M.C.
Akisame wrote:Guys, with all respect, this is clearly made up
So it's "clearly" made up? Well after 11 pages of discussion we should thank you for clearing that up. Hey everyone - one-post Akisame says that this is clearly made up. Speculation over. We can all go home now!
55015
Post by: The Shadow
Oooh, lots of Eldar stuff <3
Very excited about these. And quite proud of my predictions of what they'll release (assuming this is right).
518
Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Lots of interesting stuff.
I noted the Kroothawks are listed as 'Kroot' which implies they may be out of the Tau book and will be their own list.
62507
Post by: Akisame
No problem, glad I could help.
1084
Post by: Agamemnon2
H.B.M.C. wrote:Akisame wrote:Guys, with all respect, this is clearly made up
So it's "clearly" made up?
Well after 11 pages of discussion we should thank you for clearing that up.
I don't think we should be getting complacent one way or another. We simply cannot be sure yet and blind faith in this list is ill-advised.
54120
Post by: Jacobshepard
'Ork Grot Nurses', don't know how I'd feel about seeing that
I've not hedging any bets on this being truthful or not, on one hand I've seen more than a fair share of Warhammer 40,000 rumors come true, and on the other hand who knows the true source of the list
Would love to see some plastic Sisters of Battle stuff! Definitely will buy it, but if Games Workshop is going the route of releasing new SoB material, I would at least like a dedicated effort; a new codex, a battleforce, new units, all released at about the same time
Determine it as you will
29408
Post by: Melissia
Jun13: Codex SoB / Deathwatch + misc
Please reassure me that this is not intended to be the same codex. Because there is already enough hate in the world. It would be bad form of me to generate enough hate to double the rate of global warming.
61627
Post by: KalashnikovMarine
Merrrr sadly I see that as likely if they're actually going to give the Sisters a codex.
"Damn, they /still/ like those gorram nuns, what do we do?"
"Make another daemonhunters type codex with some other inquisition stuff and shove'em in there, it'll shut them up at least"
They've done it before, and given how little that army occupies the thoughts of any one in GW HQ (except your spiritual liege, but he's just writing snuff fanfics) marginalizing us is perfectly believable. Especially when you look back at the folks who organized the stuff by code number at the front revealing SoB to be in the "80s" range which other worthies have inferred to be the "Purpose Built Allies" section.
7782
Post by: Tresson
stinkyjunk wrote:Just a thought...if we start to infer about what is not on the list, and we believe that the final wave of Chaos releases are being listed, then we get the following:
Last Chaos Wave will have:
206305211440303 Chaos Noise Marines PL a14 Len_A 03 cc
206304811440300 Chaos Thousand Sons PL a14 Len_A 03 cc
We will soon see:
New Khorne Berserkers in plastic
New Plague Marines in plastic
Put this in our collective pipes and smoke it.
Also, if this messes with the GW finances in a negative light (lawsuit), we will be the ones paying even higher prices for all this wonderful stuff. I hope we didn't just bring this on ourselves for wanting rumors so badly.
Yes because GW only beats us because we do things that sets him off so it's completely our fault.
722
Post by: Kanluwen
KalashnikovMarine wrote:Merrrr sadly I see that as likely if they're actually going to give the Sisters a codex.
"Damn, they /still/ like those gorram nuns, what do we do?"
"Make another daemonhunters type codex with some other inquisition stuff and shove'em in there, it'll shut them up at least"
There is, at this moment, no other Inquisition stuff beyond the Deathwatch. The Inquisition is in the Grey Knights book, represented with all three of the major Ordos having a character.
And if the idea of "Sisters and Ecclesiarchy" is offensive, then you really don't know your own army's background.
They've done it before, and given how little that army occupies the thoughts of any one in GW HQ (except your spiritual liege, but he's just writing snuff fanfics) marginalizing us is perfectly believable.
They've done it once before with the "Witchhunters" book--which, if you'll recall, was the second of what was to be three books each representing a specific branch of the Inquisition and its Chamber Militant.
Each of the books could effectively field a force with no Inquisitorial involvement, or a combination force. The death knell however was the abuse that the Allies rules perpetrated, as the codices which could ally with the "Hunters" got better and eventually the Hunters books became a place to get some cheap retinues with some pretty spiffy abilities.
For the record, I'd also like to note that Phil Kelly made it clear that after the Dark Eldar he was in fact working with Jes Goodwin on the Sisters. The fact that Cruddace wrote the list from WD(which anyone with a lick of common sense realizes was only released to finally kill off the Allies system) means absolutely nothing.
And if you can't contribute to a discussion without coming off like a petulant child, I'd suggest you step away from the keyboard and give yourself some time before replying again to this thread.
Especially when you look back at the folks who organized the stuff by code number at the front revealing SoB to be in the "80s" range which other worthies have inferred to be the "Purpose Built Allies" section.
Sorry, since when is inference a fact?
These code numbers are likely for manufacturing purposes, not actual distribution purposes.
59491
Post by: d3m01iti0n
Ive been hearing on "another site" I frequent, from somebody who apparently has inside info, that this list is shockingly accurate to what he's been hearing. I guess a lot of the brand new unit names match up with what he's been told.
Salt salt salt, I know.
24567
Post by: Kroothawk
Melissia wrote:Jun13: Codex SoB / Deathwatch + misc
Please reassure me that this is not intended to be the same codex.
Because there is already enough hate in the world. It would be bad form of me to generate enough hate to double the rate of global warming.
Forget Global Warming: That disturbance of the warp would dwarf the creation of Slaanesh
That said, this line is a deduction by Avian, based on the fact that Deathwatch and Sororitas share the same code in that list. Nothing more, nothing less.
53595
Post by: Palindrome
Melissia wrote:
Then leave Sisters their own codex...
they are unlikely to lose any unit choices so what difference does it make?
29408
Post by: Melissia
Because with the codex focusing on them, they'll get more of the proper expansion that they deserve.
53595
Post by: Palindrome
Melissia wrote:Because with the codex focusing on them, they'll get more of the proper expansion that they deserve.
They are getting at least 2 new units. Whats the issue?
51344
Post by: BlapBlapBlap
Where does it say that?
34419
Post by: 4oursword
Palindrome wrote:Melissia wrote:Because with the codex focusing on them, they'll get more of the proper expansion that they deserve.
They are getting at least 2 new units. Whats the issue?
Probably their lack of definition and background. They've never had a full codex to themselves and most of their units are barely explained. Of all the armies in 40k, SoB are the ones I deem to need a new book. Even before the DE got their new one a few years ago, they didn't need it as bad as the Sisters. Their units were clearly different, and their background was well established and different. SoB are just another army of holy nutters right now, just like... Well, most of the Space Marines. And the Imperial Guard.
29408
Post by: Melissia
BlapBlapBlap wrote:Where does it say that?
There are two new unit names, although they're just conversions of seraphim and exorcists, respectively.
722
Post by: Kanluwen
4oursword wrote:Palindrome wrote:Melissia wrote:Because with the codex focusing on them, they'll get more of the proper expansion that they deserve.
They are getting at least 2 new units. Whats the issue?
Probably their lack of definition and background. They've never had a full codex to themselves and most of their units are barely explained. Of all the armies in 40k, SoB are the ones I deem to need a new book. Even before the DE got their new one a few years ago, they didn't need it as bad as the Sisters. Their units were clearly different, and their background was well established and different. SoB are just another army of holy nutters right now, just like... Well, most of the Space Marines. And the Imperial Guard.
Codex: Sisters of Battle would like a word with you.
And no. SoB are nothing like Space Marines or Imperial Guard, in terms of their background and playstyles.
Melissia wrote:There are two new unit names, although they're just conversions of seraphim and exorcists, respectively.
This is assumption. The fact that they are a dual kit does not mean they're "conversions".
54729
Post by: AegisGrimm
They've never had a full codex to themselves and most of their units are barely explained. Of all the armies in 40k, SoB are the ones I deem to need a new book.
I thought they had one at the end of 2nd edition.
34419
Post by: 4oursword
Kanluwen wrote:
And no. SoB are nothing like Space Marines or Imperial Guard, in terms of their background and playstyles.
Sorry, I meant in terms of their general aesthetic. When was their Codex? I didn't know about it. I had assumed they went Chapter Approved, Witchhunters, WD 'dex, though feel free to inform me otherwise.
25300
Post by: Absolutionis
Melissia wrote:BlapBlapBlap wrote:Where does it say that?
There are two new unit names, although they're just conversions of seraphim and exorcists, respectively.
Considering the fact that Immortals are quite different than Deathmarks and Lootas are quite different than Burna Boyz, this isn't too much of a bad thing. Keeping the same general SoB body while varying the head and arms does a good job at differentiating everything.
For all we know, there may even be unmarked other units in those kits. The Ork Bommer, the Blood Angels Furioso, and the Eldar Fire Prism had other unlisted variants that the kit could make.
45888
Post by: Lokas
No Dark Eldar releases?
Has to be legit.
53595
Post by: Palindrome
AegisGrimm wrote:They've never had a full codex to themselves and most of their units are barely explained. Of all the armies in 40k, SoB are the ones I deem to need a new book.
I thought they had one at the end of 2nd edition.
They did, with quite detailed fluff as I recall.
34419
Post by: 4oursword
Did not know, will look into it. The point about not being individual still stands.
29408
Post by: Melissia
Lokas wrote:No Dark Eldar releases?
Has to be legit.
Huh, really? I didn't even notice that...
16233
Post by: deleted20250424
Melissia wrote:TalonZahn wrote:Hey look, it's devolving into a SoB thread!
You mean because there's been a few posts about Sisters in twelve pages, it's now a sisters thread?
16 posts from you, 7 directly about the SoB codex, 1 close enough in reference to it, 1 comment about someone's Avatar, 4 about the rumors, 2 random comments, and 1 response to me. So *you* aren't talking about the rumors much. Mostly just complain, as usual, about the lack of Sisters, what's wrong with them, what GW better/better not do to SoB, etc... etc...
I'm not the only one that gets sick of it.
So, let's talk about;
The Black Warden
Phoenix Lord Kyme'doc, The Planetwister
Space Marine Land Avenger
Space Marine Land Raider Medusa
Ork Squiggotaur
Let's rejoice that there's new terrain listed for all! Battlefields should start looking a lot nicer when everyone army specific stuff to go along with hoime-made jobs.
[Edit] As for lack of certain items or even WHFB, multiple people (including myself in a repost) have indicated that they very well could be farther down in numbers and their "codes" just got cut off at the bottom of the list.
49272
Post by: Testify
It does seem like a lot of threads turn into SOB whinge-fests. This isn't /tg/...
Anyway, anyone notice this?
Imperial Guard Storm Troopers / Iron Cloak Veterans
Iron Cloak Veterans...the hell does that mean?
722
Post by: Kanluwen
Testify wrote:It does seem like a lot of threads turn into SOB whinge-fests. This isn't /tg/...
Anyone, anyone notice this?
Imperial Guard Storm Troopers / Iron Cloak Veterans
Iron Cloak Veterans...the hell does that mean?
Rumor held awhile back that we were going to see a Stormtrooper/Carapace Veteran kit.
49272
Post by: Testify
That's pretty sweet. Would never use them as carapace vets, since it's over-priced, but I can imagine they look pretty badass.
25300
Post by: Absolutionis
"Iron Cloak" may also hint that we're finally getting plastic greatcoats.
51344
Post by: BlapBlapBlap
Maybe they're making an Armageddon IG range? Probably not, but it could be...
11558
Post by: Uriels_Flame
12 pages, but really just waiting to see it before I believe. I don't think most of these items will see release. Nice wish list though.
41472
Post by: kenzosan
Kettu wrote:kenzosan wrote:280000111440201 Sisters of Battle Battle Sisters PL a14 Len_A 02 cc
Plastic Sisters. Nothing else on this list is more important than the fact you can afford a Sisters of Battle army.
Remember when Empire Great Swords went plastic and the price remained the same as their metal counterparts?
Honestly, if this is true and correct, the I wouldn't be at all surprised to find the price remaining pretty much where it is.
Fair point, but then why would they do that when these plastic Sisters are coming out when the codex is supposed to. Why would Sisters still be the only army where you cant field a troop choice with 1 box? Especially if that's when the codex comes out and they want people to buy them.
Even if the box costs the same, you can't tell me they wouldn't increase the number of models per box in a plastic kit. GW does some weird things, but so far every time they've done things it seems more like it's to get new players into the game and keeping a box at three models for a nine model unit is keeping new players away.
24567
Post by: Kroothawk
Lokas wrote:No Dark Eldar releases?
Has to be legit.
All units released, rest of special characters rumoured to be releeased this year. What's the problem?
Next time people complain that every Necron unit has been releeased.
722
Post by: Kanluwen
Kettu wrote:kenzosan wrote:280000111440201 Sisters of Battle Battle Sisters PL a14 Len_A 02 cc
Plastic Sisters. Nothing else on this list is more important than the fact you can afford a Sisters of Battle army.
Remember when Empire Great Swords went plastic and the price remained the same as their metal counterparts?
Honestly, if this is true and correct, the I wouldn't be at all surprised to find the price remaining pretty much where it is.
The price might stay the same, but there's no guarantee the points cost or effectiveness of the unit would.
Comparing Greatswords and Sisters of Battle is a hamhanded attempt at complaining about GW's prices. Greatswords are not a core Troop choice, nor were they ever really an "essential" part of an Empire army. They're one of a few Special choices, and what's more, the shift from the metal to the plastic resulted in a change of how you actually build the unit as well.
It used to be you would buy the Command separately from the actual unit. Now, those 10 models are used however you want them to be...and even at the current $41.25/10 cost it's still cheaper than a metal set.
Are they still expensive to make a fair sized unit of them? Gods yes. It's why I find it inane that they removed them from the Empire Battalion. But it's still a slightly misleading comparison.
A better one would have been the Grey Knights conversion from metal to plastic...and even then, I can't think of too many people who would be upset about the change in prices.
Fair point, but then why would they do that when these plastic Sisters are coming out when the codex is supposed to. Why would Sisters still be the only army where you cant field a troop choice with 1 box? Especially if that's when the codex comes out and they want people to buy them.
Even if the box costs the same, you can't tell me they wouldn't increase the number of models per box in a plastic kit. GW does some weird things, but so far every time they've done things it seems more like it's to get new players into the game and keeping a box at three models for a nine model unit is keeping new players away.
It depends on how they set the Codex up, I'd wager.
If we see them doing something similar to Grey Knights, where a box can build one unit OR another and has options for both...I can see them doing a 5 model/$33 box.
38154
Post by: Astroman
Grot nurses?! Hot!
29408
Post by: Melissia
Battle Sisters, however, are unlikely to be only five models simply because they are a troops choice. It'd be like selling a five model Boyz squad and then saying "well, sure you have to buy two boxes of Boyz to make a minimum sized squad, but it's okay because you can use the five boyz to make our new heavy weapons squad too!" I don't see that going over very well.
Having to buy five boxes of models just to play a minimalist army is something even the Imperial Guard doesn't have to do.
Edit: off-topic digression redacted by Mannahnin.
25300
Post by: Absolutionis
People constantly seem to forget that there are many models that went from metal to plastic and went down in price.
Tyranid Gargoyles aren't troops, but at 6pt each in the Codex, they're meant to be taken in large quantities. In metal, they were $16.50 for a pack of two. In plastic, they're $30 for a pack of ten. Their price went from $8.25 each to $3.00 each.
Their codex role as a nearly-disposable Jump Troop gaunt didn't change.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1050169
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod350002a
Similarly, the metal Dark Eldar Wyches went from $5 each to $3 each; and these are troops:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1130416
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod900152a
Considering the fact that Battle Sisters go for $5.75 each in a pack consisting of plain bolters:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat660008a&prodId=prod1300021a
It's likely that they won't stay this expensive in the shift to plastic.
Not even the 'basic' Space Marine pack goes for that much:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440273a&prodId=prod1060074
29408
Post by: Melissia
I concur with Absolutionis' statement.
Doomsaying over costs seems even more premature than my doomsaying over the codex itself.
16233
Post by: deleted20250424
Melissia wrote:Battle Sisters, however, are unlikely to be only five models simply because they are a troops choice. It'd be like selling a five model Boyz squad and then saying "well, sure you have to buy two boxes of Boyz to make a minimum sized squad, but it's okay because you can use the five boyz to make our new heavy weapons squad too!" I don't see that going over very well.
Having to buy five boxes of models just to play a minimalist army is something even the Imperial Guard doesn't have to do.
They did it with Death Company, and with PAGK.
So there is precedent and with current SoB you get what? 3 Minis together or buy them individually. It is obviously competely viable they will come 5 to a box with multiple options.
Melissia wrote:Yes, I'm talking about Sisters. In a thread with rumors about Sisters. And not exclusively Sisters, either. Quit your pointless, off-topic whining already.
Actually you are spending more time, as I pointed out, complaining about the SoB Codex. I, and others in this thread and other threads, are tired of it.
Now I recall why I had you on ignore. Welcome back to Ignore.
We can continue via PM if you'd like.
29408
Post by: Melissia
TalonZahn wrote:They did it with Death Company, and with PAGK.
Death Company are a troops choice, but they aren't the basic one for BA. Also, Marines CAN form squads of five, so a five model squad is just fine. Battle Sisters cannot for ma squad of five, therefor a five model squad is not fine. As for PAGK, they come in a five model box. Unless you're referring to previous codices, but that doesn't indicate a modern trend. TalonZahn wrote:[more pointless off-topic ramblings about my posts]
I'm perfectly okay with you ignoring me. Go ahead.
56780
Post by: Spectral Dragon
The Mechanicus/Khorne release could be reffering to Dark Mechanicus not the imperial mechanicus.
29408
Post by: Melissia
Though given that it could be used for both, I'm betting that the alliance book that was mentioned earlier in this thread is likely.
22150
Post by: blood reaper
This looks quite interesting, the LOTR stuff looks legit, not sure on all of the other stuff though.
45888
Post by: Lokas
Melissia wrote:Huh, really? I didn't even notice that...
I take that back. We do get the 'Grotesque squad'
Which I have absolutely no hope for being worthwhile, considering the current models.
Kroothawk wrote:All units released, rest of special characters rumoured to be releeased this year. What's the problem?
Next time people complain that every Necron unit has been releeased.
I haven't heard a single reliable rumor about Dark Eldar getting any releases this year, and the Necron codex is younger and has all its models.
In spite of this, I was actually more poking fun than legitimately complaining. I wouldn't use the actual special characters models even if they did exist, the only unit I wish currently had a model is the Voidraven bomber.
29833
Post by: The Dwarf Wolf
If true, this means next codex Orkz will bring the exact changes i was expecting: Meganobz and Flashgitz turned great, Painboyz more common, and wartracks/bug like things getting the fast attack for once...
Ireally doubt it, but i wish it to be true o.O
58317
Post by: tuiman
Lokas wrote:Melissia wrote:Huh, really? I didn't even notice that...
I take that back. We do get the 'Grotesque squad'
Which I have absolutely no hope for being worthwhile, considering the current models.
Kroothawk wrote:All units released, rest of special characters rumoured to be releeased this year. What's the problem?
Next time people complain that every Necron unit has been releeased.
I haven't heard a single reliable rumor about Dark Eldar getting any releases this year, and the Necron codex is younger and has all its models.
In spite of this, I was actually more poking fun than legitimately complaining. I wouldn't use the actual special characters models even if they did exist, the only unit I wish currently had a model is the Voidraven bomber.
There were rumours for another wave of flyers this year including the voidraven, which is why its not listed here
37667
Post by: tkrettler91
tau, black templars, orks all the armys i play will have so many new models.. time to get a second job and hit the street corners... im guessing orks wont be until 2014 though maybe space marines too?
5344
Post by: Shep
This theory is all predicated on these rumored releases being accurate.
But one thing I'm noticing is the pattern of "one unit, one independent character"
Cult hybrids + Patriarch
deathwatch kill team + deathwatch librarian
Harlequin solitaire (to go with pre-existing harlequins)
Freebooter captain (to go with pre-existing 'blood axe' orks)
Cypher (to go with pre-existing 'fallen' marines)
the ork, eldar, marine, tau and chaos marine realeses seem big enough to merit a wave, but I'm fairly sure that these releases will coincide with some white dwarf allies contingents.
I feel like the allies system was about the smartest thing I've ever seen GW do. Not only does it encourage mono-codex gamers to do a little bit of branching out without a huge buy-in, but it allows GW the freedom to do a release that doesn't really warrant a full codex, something like deathwatch for example. You could print a 'contingent' ruleset digitally and in white dwarf, sell a single plastic box and a pair of resin characters, and call it quits.
The follow up question is very interesting. If GW sticks with this model. Does kroot even make it into the tau codex? Do harlequins not show up in the next eldar book? Do inquisitors fall out of the next grey knights book?
I really love the allies system and the opportunities it builds into the game. I'm also really looking forward to future codecies with more purity, now that they could just introduce an allied contingent later down the line. You could print an abhuman contingent, and then yank ogryns and ratlings out of the main IG codex, you could print an ecclesiarchy contingent and yank priests out of IG and sisters. etc, etc.
20774
Post by: pretre
Melissia wrote:I concur with Absolutionis' statement.
Doomsaying over costs seems even more premature than my doomsaying over the codex itself.
And yet both are premature... Especially when based on a list of dubious provenance.
53116
Post by: helium42
Melissia wrote:Because with the codex focusing on them, they'll get more of the proper expansion that they deserve.
Grey Knights share a codex with Inquisitorial forces and nobody can argue that they didn't get the proper expansion that they deserved. It's still much too early to begin feeling that the sky is falling once again for the SOB.
29408
Post by: Melissia
helium42 wrote:Melissia wrote:Because with the codex focusing on them, they'll get more of the proper expansion that they deserve.
Grey Knights share a codex with Inquisitorial forces and nobody can argue that they didn't get the proper expansion that they deserved. It's still much too early to begin feeling that the sky is falling once again for the SOB.
Given what happened wit hour last codex, it is NEVER too early. That said, Grey Knights grew far more than a mere two units. GKs needed far more growth than Sisters do, as well.
20774
Post by: pretre
Melissia wrote:helium42 wrote:Melissia wrote:Because with the codex focusing on them, they'll get more of the proper expansion that they deserve.
Grey Knights share a codex with Inquisitorial forces and nobody can argue that they didn't get the proper expansion that they deserved. It's still much too early to begin feeling that the sky is falling once again for the SOB.
Given what happened wit hour last codex, it is NEVER too early.
Can we save the sisters whining for another thread?
494
Post by: H.B.M.C.
Yeah. It's been done.
29408
Post by: Melissia
I've been talking about things other than Sisters in this thread. But people keep responding to my posts on Sisters. So I respond back. If people are tired of talking about rumors of Sisters in a thread that contains rumors about SIsters, they can always stop responding to my posts.
But you know, at least I'm staying on topic. Your incessant complaints about my posts are off topic.
So, back on topic-- is this the first time Cypher was made as a model? I seem to remember seeing models of him before, but it might have just been conversions.
494
Post by: H.B.M.C.
The old model of Cypher was kinda dippy. He was just a dude with two pistols, a hood, no helmet and a sword on his back.
I think having his face visible kinda ruined the mystique about him. He should be more mysterious than that.
20774
Post by: pretre
There's a previous cypher model from 3rd.
40581
Post by: TzeentchNet
29408
Post by: Melissia
Geeze, that really is bad.
Well, GW's sculpting has gotten better since then, so hopefully his new model will give the converters something great to play with.
48239
Post by: Xeriapt
I thought Cypher had a model at some point.
Cant be sure though.
Edit: Nvm lol
29408
Post by: Melissia
Also, the Ork Klan Fort-- think that'll be for an existing supplement, or for a new one? Or does sixth have rules for that kind of thing?
Of the three armies I'm interested in (orks / guard / sisters), Orks really got the best of this update heh.
494
Post by: H.B.M.C.
It'll get WD rules no doubt, along with all the other new terrain pieces. It just means that Orks (and Tau, and apparently Chaos if you read that list) will be able to take fortifications that aren't "looted/subverted" Imperial ones.
20774
Post by: pretre
Melissia wrote:Also, the Ork Klan Fort-- think that'll be for an existing supplement, or for a new one? Or does sixth have rules for that kind of thing?
There are currently no rules for most of the terrain pieces. Try cracking open the new rulebook. It is enjoyable and will give you some perspective.
45888
Post by: Lokas
tuiman wrote:There were rumours for another wave of flyers this year including the voidraven, which is why its not listed here
Which one was that? The one that said it was due in February? Then March? Then the end of August? Or this latest one saying November? 
48239
Post by: Xeriapt
I can see there being WD updates for more fortifications to use in games.
Its not like they need alot of rules to go with the terrain pieces.
29408
Post by: Melissia
I don't have a copy, but I'll try to borrow a friend's.
Been kinda out of the loop for 40k for a while.
20774
Post by: pretre
Melissia wrote:I don't have a copy, but I'll try to borrow a friend's.
Been kinda out of the loop for 40k for a while.
That explains it. Yeah, I'm sure you'll find it a nice change of pace.
50315
Post by: Dr. Delorean
Having rules in WD seems quite likely, given that sales of that magazine when it doesn't have such items are pretty abysmal. We saw it a lot, if there was just a "splash" release of a few models, maybe a battle report, there'd be the hardcore crowd who would buy it anyway, but no one else did. Put a preview of a new rules set in there, however...
494
Post by: H.B.M.C.
... and it sells out in the blink of an eye, leaving most people without access to the rules (unless they download illegal scans).
54729
Post by: AegisGrimm
Rules solely in White Dwarf is the stupidest smart thing GW ever did. Sells their $10 ad magazine like hotcakes, but screws people at the same time.
I am bummed that the Eldar don't seems to be "getting" their Knight-level walker that was rumored. The Dreadknight makes no sense whatsoever, but I would buy an Eldar Knight in a second.
I'd like to get excited about the Eldar releases, but who knows what year they will even come out in. In the order I have seen some rumors put them, it could be friggin' 2014, afte two more price hikes. And if that's the case, I will just take a Razorwing fighter as DE allied unit, and convert my own Shining Spears and Nuadhu Fireheart, and maybe get some FW Hornets or Warp Hunters.
48239
Post by: Xeriapt
AegisGrimm wrote:Rules solely in White Dwarf is the stupidest smart thing GW ever did. Sells their $10 ad magazine like hotcakes, but screws people at the same time.
I am bummed that the Eldar don't seems to be "getting" their Knight-level walker that was rumored. The Dreadknight makes no sense whatsoever, but I would buy an Eldar Knight in a second.
I'd like to get excited about the Eldar releases, but who knows what year they will even come out in. In the order I have seen some rumors put them, it could be friggin' 2014, afte two more price hikes. And if that's the case, I will just take a Razorwing fighter as DE allied unit, and convert my own Shining Spears and Nuadhu Fireheart, and maybe get some FW Hornets or Warp Hunters.
Ive always thought that having a FW eldar pirate list would be cool, that way you can use the FW models/rules, DE and then Eldar as allies.
41203
Post by: Insurgency Walker
FW did a pirate list in one of the last IA books.
48239
Post by: Xeriapt
Insurgency Walker wrote:FW did a pirate list in one of the last IA books.
Yes this is what I am refering to, I beleive it has a mix of FW corsair units as well as options to take warriors from codex DE, using the allies rules you can then use units from codex Eldar as well. Would make for a cool Eldar army.
25200
Post by: Temujin
AegisGrimm wrote:I am bummed that the Eldar don't seems to be "getting" their Knight-level walker that was rumored. The Dreadknight makes no sense whatsoever, but I would buy an Eldar Knight in a second.
The spirit walker is a land raider sized kit. Supposedly a giant wraithlord. Sounds Knight-ish.
48239
Post by: Xeriapt
Giant wraithlord? Geez the wraithlord is big enough lol.
494
Post by: H.B.M.C.
But everyone's gotto get their big oval base kit! Sometimes more than one!
50315
Post by: Dr. Delorean
It's a pretty awkward position, really, since putting the rules out for free simultaneously obviously reduces the necessity of buying the magazine, so they can't do that. As such, their only real option is to make sure the supply of WDs is higher than usual, and then release the rules as a free PDF once the WDs have sold out.
Assuming that they want to make money out of the new rules they put out, unless they just put it up for free, which frankly, is not going to happen, maintaining availability is all they can do.
48239
Post by: Xeriapt
I doubt they would make the rules free, they would likely put new rules for fortifications and maybe some more unit updates into WD here and there, then later down the track release them for paid download.
...only on Ipad though.
41111
Post by: Daston
Have you not seen the price of the Dakkajet rules? It's like £4 to download! Sod that would rather just look at a scanned Whitedwarf.
19636
Post by: Alkasyn
Daston wrote:Have you not seen the price of the Dakkajet rules? It's like £4 to download! Sod that would rather just look at a scanned Whitedwarf.
Where can you purchase the rules from GW?
54468
Post by: yukihyou
Alkasyn wrote:Daston wrote:Have you not seen the price of the Dakkajet rules? It's like £4 to download! Sod that would rather just look at a scanned Whitedwarf.
Where can you purchase the rules from GW?
iBooks store for ipad 2
24567
Post by: Kroothawk
H.B.M.C. wrote:... and it sells out in the blink of an eye, leaving most people without access to the rules (unless they download illegal scans).
For GW managers, it is a huge success, if your complete stock lasts only two days. I am expecting the next starter box to be 5000 boxes worldwide
Alkasyn wrote:Where can you purchase the rules from GW?
On the Apple apps website. Oh, don't forget to add a 400$ IPad so you can read the files
46636
Post by: English Assassin
H.B.M.C. wrote:The old model of Cypher was kinda dippy. He was just a dude with two pistols, a hood, no helmet and a sword on his back.
I think having his face visible kinda ruined the mystique about him. He should be more mysterious than that.
Funny you should say that; the original (rejected) sculpt for Cypher was wearing a mask.
Also,I'm surprised to see people grumbling about his sculpt; it's not at all bad for its time, and certainly no worse that many (Ragnar, Dante, Azrael) of that era that are still on general release for £12 each.
494
Post by: H.B.M.C.
English Assassin wrote:Funny you should say that; the original (rejected) sculpt for Cypher was wearing a mask.
I have seen that before. I guess it's the hair. It was just a 'dirty' detail that didn't fit the mystique surrounding Cypher.
English Assassin wrote:Also,I'm surprised to see people grumbling about his sculpt; it's not at all bad for its time, and certainly no worse that many (Ragnar, Dante, Azrael) of that era that are still on general release for £12 each.
Rags, Dante and Az were all 2nd Ed models, and have the limitations of 2nd Ed models (mostly 2D simply due to the way spincasting is done). Cypher was a 3rd Ed model, and doesn't improve upon the 2nd Ed style. I think that's the bigger problem.
54468
Post by: yukihyou
[quote=Kroothawk.
I am expecting the next starter box to be 5000 boxes worldwide
Less than, though there are two apparently a ltd and regular.
37505
Post by: Nagashek
Kroothawk wrote:Lokas wrote:No Dark Eldar releases?
Has to be legit.
All units released, rest of special characters rumoured to be releeased this year. What's the problem?
Next time people complain that every Necron unit has been releeased.
The problem is that nearly every army that is getting new models already has its catalogue finished, too. Don't even get me started on all the new Marine releases, though most of those are likely to coincide with DA. But Tau, Chaos, Orks, and others are all getting new models. It's worth commenting on, at the very least.
As far as what to do about rules for units that they release in WD. Here's a fun idea: start printing the rules for units on a flyer and include said flyer in the box. That way they can release new flyers or forts or whatever, stick the rules in WD (so I know what the rules are BEFORE I buy it to help me in the buying process) and if I just read my friend's WD (because they all sold out) and it got me salivating to own the latest fort/flyer/unit whatever, I can just buy the thing and blam! I has the rules! Now GW doesn't have to distribute CRAP for free. You want the rules? You buy the model, suckah!
52201
Post by: evildrcheese
By the throne!
If this is true, 2013 will be a good year for 40k (but perhaps a bad one for my wallet).
Top of the list for me is plastic sisters (finally!), and some exciting sounding stuff for SM, Orks and Eldar.
Fingers crossed this is true, might have to start working on a time machine.
D
26238
Post by: Semper
interesting list actually. Seems indicative of a Chaos, Eldar and Space Marine release for 40k, with the odd update for Imp Guard and Tyranids.
All makes sense ima.. aside from the rumous that they're only doing Chaos before christmas.. it seems difficult to believe they'd all of a sudden put their flag ship Space Marines on the back burner and Eldar are also way out of date.. and it fits with Dark Angels being put back to after christmas.
58411
Post by: RogueRegault
Nagashek wrote:Kroothawk wrote:Lokas wrote:No Dark Eldar releases?
Has to be legit.
All units released, rest of special characters rumoured to be releeased this year. What's the problem?
Next time people complain that every Necron unit has been releeased.
The problem is that nearly every army that is getting new models already has its catalogue finished, too. Don't even get me started on all the new Marine releases, though most of those are likely to coincide with DA. But Tau, Chaos, Orks, and others are all getting new models. It's worth commenting on, at the very least.
As far as what to do about rules for units that they release in WD. Here's a fun idea: start printing the rules for units on a flyer and include said flyer in the box. That way they can release new flyers or forts or whatever, stick the rules in WD (so I know what the rules are BEFORE I buy it to help me in the buying process) and if I just read my friend's WD (because they all sold out) and it got me salivating to own the latest fort/flyer/unit whatever, I can just buy the thing and blam! I has the rules! Now GW doesn't have to distribute CRAP for free. You want the rules? You buy the model, suckah!
You're seriously complaining that armies that haven't seen a release in 8 years are getting new models?
At least the DE have special characters they want released. Tau get Space Pope, Commander ID'd by Plasma, and Commander Assault in a Shooting Army.
37505
Post by: Nagashek
No complaint. Just explaining why people mentioned the lack of DE models. That's all. I'm interested to see what these new Tau pieces look like and what they do. I've already stopped playing 40k though, so curiousity is the only sensation I really have about it.
20774
Post by: pretre
I never understood the "I don't play but here's my opinion on it" crowd. Not like I pop into the WMH forums to complain about their release schedule.
29408
Post by: Melissia
I play FFG's rpgs probably several thousand times more, in terms of time spent, than I do tabletop... but I think I still have a stake in it cause any changes to tabletop lore still effect my roleplaying 
20774
Post by: pretre
Melissia wrote:I play FFG's rpgs probably several thousand times more, in terms of time spent, than I do tabletop... but I think I still have a stake in it cause any changes to tabletop lore still effect my roleplaying
Affect. And there's not really much fluff in a release list...
29408
Post by: Melissia
Sure there is. There's brand new units to talk about, which did not exist before.
34906
Post by: Pacific
pretre very nearly invoked Godwin's law, but it's important that everyone stays calm and doesn't say it...
I guess in a roundabout way, there is some fluff that gets retroactively inserted into the background.. The Stormraven being used in about 75% of background actions of the Blood Angels for instance, upon release of the new kit and codex.
37505
Post by: Nagashek
pretre wrote:I never understood the "I don't play but here's my opinion on it" crowd. Not like I pop into the WMH forums to complain about their release schedule.
Because I played 40k until 6th came out? To head off the inevitable "if you don't like it go play something else!" response by mentioning I do, in fact, now play another game. And also the sort of soul sucking amusement I derive from these discussions.
There is, of course, the vain hope that GW is coming to its senses. That the game is improving. That the emotional stock I have had invested in this game because of the summer campaigns of a decade back will be vindicated. I can still be swayed to play, but not by anything less than a campaign rule set. I don't see what's wrong with checking in on something you care about from time to time. This game is like the girlfriend you once loved who made a string of bad decisions. Maybe it was drugs. Maybe it was cheating on you. For whatever reason, you had to let her go because your love and words of encouragement were not enough to fix the problem. She continued to make mistakes, and holding onto her was poisonous to you. You never stopped loving her. And though you've let her go and moved on, you check in on her from time to time just to see how she's doing. You pray that she has become a better person over the years, and you just shake your head in sadness when you see her repeating the same mistakes all over again, and all her friends keep insisting that she's doing "so much better now than before!" and "she's changed!" but you know better. She's not the girl you fell in love with, and it grieves you that she may never be that again.
Understand?
20774
Post by: pretre
Pacific wrote:pretre very nearly invoked Godwin's law.
You must bethinking of a very different Godwin.
494
Post by: H.B.M.C.
Pacific wrote:pretre very nearly invoked Godwin's law, but it's important that everyone stays calm and doesn't say it...
I don't know ward you're talking about... I mean what you're talking about. Ahem.
20774
Post by: pretre
Oh that's draigos law not Godwin's.
19636
Post by: Alkasyn
Kroothawk wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:... and it sells out in the blink of an eye, leaving most people without access to the rules (unless they download illegal scans).
For GW managers, it is a huge success, if your complete stock lasts only two days. I am expecting the next starter box to be 5000 boxes worldwide
Alkasyn wrote:Where can you purchase the rules from GW?
On the Apple apps website. Oh, don't forget to add a 400$ IPad so you can read the files
That's a pretty hefty price tag for a few pages
56780
Post by: Spectral Dragon
That is not a terrible model. That is, however, a fairly terrible paint job considering it was done as a display piece.
518
Post by: Kid_Kyoto
H.B.M.C. wrote:... and it sells out in the blink of an eye, leaving most people without access to the rules (unless they download illegal scans).
But we would never do that.
54470
Post by: DxM Scotty MxD
Would be cool if this rumour was true, so I think I am going to be cautiously optimistic like a few others in the thread.
16689
Post by: notprop
Kid_Kyoto wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:... and it sells out in the blink of an eye, leaving most people without access to the rules (unless they download illegal scans).
But we would never do that.
.......Buy White Dwarf you mean?
10093
Post by: Sidstyler
pretre wrote:I never understood the "I don't play but here's my opinion on it" crowd.
Hit "Ignore". Problem solved.
You say you don't understand, but you must understand completely because you're doing the exact same thing. It would be so much easier to just ignore a person when they keep talking about something and you disagree or otherwise don't want any part of it, but you don't: instead you complain about it publicly, drawing attention to the "problem" and hoping that by calling them out on it they'll stop doing it. Same thing with us and 40k, I used to play the game and now that GW have taken huge steps backwards with the core rules and completely invalidated two armies I really liked (Tyranids and Dark Eldar) while leaving the only other army I have without an update through an entire edition (still more playable than the two I mentioned, but boring as feth because only a few units in the book work and everything else is garbage, especially now with allies so I can spend those points on better units from a Space Marine book instead of taking the crap from my own), I've just about lost all interest in doing anything 40k related, except bitch about how GW has wasted my time and money in the vain hope that someone, somewhere will be reading this gak and something may come of it (some of you seem to believe GW is doing some kind of "market research" with the rumor blackout crap, reading wishlists on forums and crap, so if that's the case then maybe someone will be reading this and pass the gak along... GW won't listen or care, but still). Also, the reason I'm not bitching as hard about WM/H is obviously because I haven't played the game yet and don't have a strong opinion about it one way or another, unlike 40k where I played for years and got "forced" to stop by GW's constant bs.
It would be easier for me to just ignore GW and every GW-related post from now on and start spending all my money on Dropzone Commander (I finally got the rulebook, debating about whether or not to run out and buy a UCM starter right now or hold off and order some things later), but I don't. And I'm not going to. Because this is a discussion forum and I'm specifically allowed to "discuss" things without always having to take your side on things. If you don't like that you're free to hit that stupid button and censor me and everyone else who disagrees with you, but you're not going to convince me what I'm doing is stupid or wrong.
16689
Post by: notprop
You can take my dollies but you'll never take my freedom eh Sid. Do you paint yourself blue for those posts?
Seriously though how has DE and Tyranids been killed off?
37700
Post by: Ascalam
Not killed off, invalidated.
The DE playstyle doesn't mesh with 6th at all well, and the codex rewrite for Nids was half-assed at best.
47148
Post by: redkommando
What I find funny is that people say that the Hobbits is all under wraps and stuff...
Here in NZ the are FILMING IT RIGHT NEXT TO A STATEHIGHWAY!!
10093
Post by: Sidstyler
notprop wrote:Seriously though how has DE and Tyranids been killed off?
...do you not know what the word "invalidated" means?
In the context I was using it "invalidated" is entirely correct, I was accusing GW of leaving Tyranids and Dark Eldar "in poor or weakened condition". Not "killed off", though in the state they're in they might as well be. Next time you get in a hurry to make someone look foolish you might do well to avoid making yourself look like a fool, too.
56373
Post by: Doomhunter
redkommando wrote:What I find funny is that people say that the Hobbits is all under wraps and stuff...
Here in NZ the are FILMING IT RIGHT NEXT TO A STATEHIGHWAY!!
This is NZ man, they can do these sorts of things because were so laid back.
46636
Post by: English Assassin
redkommando wrote:What I find funny is that people say that the Hobbits is all under wraps and stuff...
Here in NZ the are FILMING IT RIGHT NEXT TO A STATEHIGHWAY!!
Well, whatever you do, don't give away the ending...
40581
Post by: TzeentchNet
41203
Post by: Insurgency Walker
English Assassin wrote:redkommando wrote:What I find funny is that people say that the Hobbits is all under wraps and stuff...
Here in NZ the are FILMING IT RIGHT NEXT TO A STATEHIGHWAY!!
Well, whatever you do, don't give away the ending...
Wow the funny thing is that I also assume everyone knows the story. But how many people will buy tickets that have no idea what is going on. And have already watched the "Lord of the rings"
I'll bet we have folks upset that someone made a Lotr prequel 
And to get back on topic, ya can't make everyone happy all the time, but if GW makes half that list I'm looking forward to it.
I also hope the ork buggys are more like the FW art.....
Automatically Appended Next Post:
You made me snarf my beer!!!
46630
Post by: wowsmash
Nagashek wrote:pretre wrote:I never understood the "I don't play but here's my opinion on it" crowd. Not like I pop into the WMH forums to complain about their release schedule.
Because I played 40k until 6th came out? To head off the inevitable "if you don't like it go play something else!" response by mentioning I do, in fact, now play another game. And also the sort of soul sucking amusement I derive from these discussions.
There is, of course, the vain hope that GW is coming to its senses. That the game is improving. That the emotional stock I have had invested in this game because of the summer campaigns of a decade back will be vindicated. I can still be swayed to play, but not by anything less than a campaign rule set. I don't see what's wrong with checking in on something you care about from time to time. This game is like the girlfriend you once loved who made a string of bad decisions. Maybe it was drugs. Maybe it was cheating on you. For whatever reason, you had to let her go because your love and words of encouragement were not enough to fix the problem. She continued to make mistakes, and holding onto her was poisonous to you. You never stopped loving her. And though you've let her go and moved on, you check in on her from time to time just to see how she's doing. You pray that she has become a better person over the years, and you just shake your head in sadness when you see her repeating the same mistakes all over again, and all her friends keep insisting that she's doing "so much better now than before!" and "she's changed!" but you know better. She's not the girl you fell in love with, and it grieves you that she may never be that again.
Understand?
I believe they call that stalking
10093
Post by: Sidstyler
I believe you don't know what "stalking" is then if that's the case, speaking as someone who's still currently friends with a girl that got involved with drugs and hated seeing what it did to her.
494
Post by: H.B.M.C.
Thanks Sid. I didn't think we were off-topic enough. You've helped fix that.
10093
Post by: Sidstyler
Okay then.
I think the release list is stupid because GW is stupid.
Actually, come to think of it, I was wondering if the "Ork klan fort" would just be a "counts-as" Fortress of Redemption for Orks. So they would be doing race-specific terrain, but it would still use the same rules as the Imperial-themed stuff in the core rules and just have a different name.
686
Post by: aka_mythos
Im just betting whatever supplement that includes these allies are going to add more in the way of faction specific terrain... and that many of these kits will be meant to additionally allow one to make the generic terrain more racially appropriate.
494
Post by: H.B.M.C.
It'd be nice if the new terrain rules came out in the allies book and not WD.
54729
Post by: AegisGrimm
Spectral Dragon wrote:
That is not a terrible model. That is, however, a fairly terrible paint job considering it was done as a display piece.
I say meh. I can make a very nice Cypher for about 50% the price of any actual one by using plastic robed Dark Angel parts, and it's unique to me.
46630
Post by: wowsmash
How are you supposed to get the rules if white dwarf sells out and you don't have an iPad anyway?
48239
Post by: Xeriapt
You cant unless its an illegal download or such.
At this point.
23979
Post by: frozenwastes
pretre wrote:I never understood the "I don't play but here's my opinion on it" crowd. Not like I pop into the WMH forums to complain about their release schedule.
According to Jervis (in 2008), the majority of GW's customers do not play their game. He called them "craft hobbyists." They buy miniatures to collect, build and paint. I have 40k & WFB miniatures (some daemons, some metal space marine scouts, some wood elves, etc.,) but I don't play the game.
Why should someone have to play the game to have an opinion on when models come out and what models? Most of GW customers fit into that category.
494
Post by: H.B.M.C.
pretre wrote:I never understood the "I don't play but here's my opinion on it" crowd.
To be fair, some of us keep up with things for other (completely legitimate) reasons. I haven't played a game of 40K using GW's rules since 4th Ed was released, but I have to keep up with what's going on because it could directly impact some of the work I do for FFG.
10093
Post by: Sidstyler
frozenwastes wrote:According to Jervis (in 2008), the majority of GW's customers do not play their game.
I still think that's bs. I'd accuse him of lying outright if I had even the barest scrap of proof.
Or maybe it is true, the majority of their customers may be strictly hobbyists who don't play games...who buy one model here or there just to collect. But I'd bet on the fact that the majority of their money comes from people who collect entire armies to play the game with, and royalties from licensing.
It just seems like common sense to me. Why would they waste their time and money developing game rules if most of their money comes from "craft hobbyists" who don't like the game? Why make all those changes to 6th edition that were done purely for money, like purchasable terrain or allies, if they expect people to buy every new release regardless because they just want to collect the models?
16689
Post by: notprop
Simple; The hhhobby types will buy whatever cool models are released, the rules let them rinse the players too.
All bases covered that way.
I do find the gripes about how the rules are released a silly critisism of a production list particularly where those that are complaining then go on to say they don't play (too cool for school I suspect).
The commonality for all of us is the models, this list therefore can only be good news simply for the breadth of new releases on it.
8230
Post by: UltraPrime
notprop wrote:Simple; The hhhobby types will buy whatever cool models are released, the rules let them rinse the players too.
All bases covered that way.
I do find the gripes about how the rules are released a silly critisism of a production list particularly where those that are complaining then go on to say they don't play (too cool for school I suspect).
The commonality for all of us is the models, this list therefore can only be good news simply for the breadth of new releases on it.
I've asked before, but not got a satisfactory answer. Why do people here spell 'hobby' with three 'h's. I assume you do know, and haven't just been caught up in a sheep mentality.
32186
Post by: Vain
UltraPrime wrote:I've asked before, but not got a satisfactory answer. Why do people here spell 'hobby' with three 'h's. I assume you do know, and haven't just been caught up in a sheep mentality.
Google is your friend and mine, oh and it links to Dakka.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/120/456081.page#4414194
8230
Post by: UltraPrime
Well, that answers that. It means nothing, and, as I suspected, is a 'sheep mentality' issue.
23979
Post by: frozenwastes
Sidstyler wrote:frozenwastes wrote:
It just seems like common sense to me. Why would they waste their time and money developing game rules if most of their money comes from "craft hobbyists" who don't like the game? Why make all those changes to 6th edition that were done purely for money, like purchasable terrain or allies, if they expect people to buy every new release regardless because they just want to collect the models?
The idea of a game is what's needed to sell miniatures to most of the craft hobbyists, not the actual game.
I imagine the majority of the craft hobbyists still think of the idea of the game and may even use the force org chart to guide their collections.
So they have a game that a third to a half of their customers play, another large portion collect towards as an idea (or even think that one day, they will play) and probably a smaller minority who just buy for painting.
34906
Post by: Pacific
UltraPrime wrote:
Well, that answers that. It means nothing, and, as I suspected, is a 'sheep mentality' issue.
It's a reference to the comedy show 'Fist of Fun' and this guys 'Hobbies'. I see you are in GB so you might recognise the guy from 'Big Train' which he was probably better known for.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHDCSIJiWCM
53595
Post by: Palindrome
UltraPrime wrote:
Well, that answers that. It means nothing, and, as I suspected, is a 'sheep mentality' issue.
Why would that be a sheep mentality issue?
52163
Post by: Shandara
It's like the Finecrap/cost crowd, repeating the same tired phrase over and over even though hardly anyone cares about it?
Talking about the Hhhobby is pretty pointless. I'm sure we're all intelligent enough to seperate the GW marketing spiel from the reality of the wargaming hobby.
53595
Post by: Palindrome
Shandara wrote:
Talking about the Hhhobby is pretty pointless. I'm sure we're all intelligent enough to seperate the GW marketing spiel from the reality of the wargaming hobby.
Unless, for example, I find it offensive that any company which comprises a small part of a larger hobby pretends that it is in fact the whole. GW gets away with this as its audience is captive, relatively speaking, but Battlefront has now started to try this and it has gone down extremely poorly with historical gamers. The more people who take vocal issue with this then the more likely it is that GW will move away from their ridiculus stance, not that I think thats likely. It has nothing what so ever to do with a herd mentality.
Doubtless there there are other threads about this topic though.
494
Post by: H.B.M.C.
And here we go:
Shandara wrote:It's like the "GW is great" crowd, repeating the same tired praises over and over even though hardly anyone cares about it?
Shandara wrote:It's like the Tournament/WAAC crowd, repeating the same tired complaints over and over even though hardly anyone cares about it?
Shandara wrote:It's like the Casual Gamer/Comp Nazi crowd, repeating the same whining complaints over and over even though hardly anyone cares about it?
Ad Hominem 101.
Why bother debating the merits of reasoning of something when you can just attack the people making the statements?
24567
Post by: Kroothawk
H.B.M.C. wrote:And here we go:
Shandara wrote:It's like the "GW is great" crowd, repeating the same tired praises over and over even though hardly anyone cares about it?
Shandara wrote:It's like the Tournament/WAAC crowd, repeating the same tired complaints over and over even though hardly anyone cares about it?
Shandara wrote:It's like the Casual Gamer/Comp Nazi crowd, repeating the same whining complaints over and over even though hardly anyone cares about it?
Ad Hominem 101.
Why bother debating the merits of reasoning of something when you can just attack the people making the statements?
It's like Shandara, repeating the same whining complaints over and over even though hardly anyone cares about it.
Back to topic now:
Archibald_TK wrote:To add a little credibility to the rumour, about removing the list of leaked Hobbit releases from its blog, Faeit just posted:
So no, GW did not contact me about the Hobbit information.
New Line Cinema on the other hand. Well enough said.
(...)
Just to be clear, New Line Cinema is very protective of their Hobbit product. They did not contact me directly telling me to remove the post.
With my past experiences with the movie industry, and a brief conversation that occurred shortly after I put up the post, I decided that I did not want the additional drama.
Vovin from Warseer wrote:I spend some hours to analyze the numerical codes in the list to find out if they are nonsensical or if there is a recognizable system behind them. Short answer: the code makes sense and isn’t very hard to decipher. Here’s what I have found out. Unfortunately, there are no release dates hidden in the codes. Basically the numerical code contains the same information as the affixes behind the product names plus the game system, the army and a four digit number. I do not know if these kinds of code make sense in a business environment and if they are commonly used. But from a mathematical standpoint, the numbers are consistent and not random at all.
First digit: game system
1 = Fantasy
2 = 40k
5 = Hobbit
9 = White Dwarf + Frodo + Turin, coincidentally miniatures with the pr affix
Second+third digit: army
00 = Space Marines or Dwarfs in the LotR system
and so on
71 = Daemons in 40k
86 = Daemons in Fantasy
The Adventures have the same codes as the armies, for example The Fall of Dale has the code 508 which stands for Hobbit + Grey Mountain Dragons, which makes sense because Dale was destroyed by dragons. But the entry is duplicated and has the code 506 = Humans as well. Dale was a human city. I dare say it is likely that adventure sets contain miniatures from more than one range, like mini starter-boxes. Some adventures have only one code and apparently belong only to a single range.
4th-7th digit: box number
I think these digits have to be interpreted as a single unique number from 0000 to 9999 for each release (together with digits 1-3). There are no releases with the exact same first seven digits. There are some code that only differentiate in a single of these digits (and the last, this is later explained), however, which let me believe that these digits are one entity.
There are huge gaps between some releases. They are not just counting continuously from 0000 to 9999. For example, one release has the number 2004625x and the next higher is 200428x instead of 2004626x. However, some items are grouped together without these gaps, for example the space marine fortress that consists of three boxes with the numbers 2004623x, 2004624x and 2004625x. There are more of these grouped entries.
The order of these numbers do not correlate with the order in which the items appear in the original list.
8th digit: material
This one is easy. Exactly every finecast release has a 3 at this position, every plastic release has a 1.
9th + 10th digit: box
a10 = 10
b07 = 07
and so on
11th digit: Len_X, Xian, Sou
Len_A= 4
Len_B= 1
Len_C= 5
XianD= 8
Sou= 7
12th + 13th digit:
these are the two digits that come before the cc column
02: This is the most common entry in these columns.
03: exactly the Tau, Chaos SM and Daemon (40k and fantasy codes) releases
11: Grotesques, Avatar of Khaine, Imperial Guard releases
04: only Phoenixlord Kymedoc
What’s so special about these products?
14th digit: cc
cc= 0
another product code = 9
li=7
pr=8
mf=1
I don’t know what this means. The majority of the releases has a cc entry here. Only the squiggotaur has mf. Only the 999 releases Frodo, Turin and the White Dwarves have pr. Gwethil and the two Space Marine upgrade packs have li. Someone else in this thread already stated that boxes that are released for two different armies have the other product code in this column.
I don’t understand why there are only two letter abbreviations in this column when it can clearly carry a much longer string.
15th digit: checksum
I am really proud of myself for deciphering this. Thanks to Halva at gw-fanworld.net for putting me on the right track.
This digit is a checksum that is used to make it easy for a machine to recognize if a wrong number is entered. This is used in almost every numerical code like EANs, bank account numbers, etc. There are many different methods. This code uses the most standard variant. Take every odd digit and every even digit multiplied by 3. Add all these number for the first 14 digits. Than choose the 15th so that if you add it to the sum, the total can be divided by 10 without fractions. See wikipedia for details, it is quite easy.
This method holds true for every single entry in this list! This cannot be coincidence. Either the one who faked the list has not only deep knowledge of both the hobbit and 40k, but also of mathematical verification methods or the list is genuine. In the end, this convinces me that the list is the real thing.
Questions:
Why are there gaps between the individual product numbers?
What does mf, li and pr mean?
What does column 12 & 13 mean?
19970
Post by: Jadenim
Just speculation, but I work in engineering and it's quite common to leave large gaps in blocks of numbers when assigining them to parts, drawings, etc, so that if you want to add a related item at a later date you can give it an adjacent number. I'd guess GW would do something similar.
For example, if they have currently planned three SM fortress kits (2004623x, 2004624x and 2004625x from above) then they might want to reserve 2004626 for a future, as yet unplanned release.
494
Post by: H.B.M.C.
What does mf, li and pr mean?
Pr is associated with Turin (a character that as far as I know can't be in The Hobbit), Frodo (someone who has a minor role in The Hobbit), and the two White Dwarves. What are White Dwarf models? Models that usually come with anniversaries or White Dwarf subscriptions or to celebrate something. In other words they are promotional models. Remember Invisible Frodo? I'm betting that was a promotional model as well. The li code? Maybe limited release? The mf code? I have no mf'ing idea!
7361
Post by: Howard A Treesong
Was invisible Frodo really that limited? I bought it off the shelf.
20774
Post by: pretre
Sidstyler wrote:pretre wrote:I never understood the "I don't play but here's my opinion on it" crowd.
Hit "Ignore". Problem solved.
You say you don't understand, but you must understand completely because you're doing the exact same thing.
You're missing the point. I am not saying that you don't have the right to bitch about it. I'm saying that bitching about something that you have no investment in because you don't play the game is silly. I have investment in this thread because I do play the game. Hence when players come in and say "I haven't read the book, so I have no real idea" or "I haven't played 40k in 2 years, so here's my uneducated opinion", it can be a bit annoying.
Ignoring is saved for the truly repugnant anyways. It wasn't meant to be used on people you disagree with exclusively.
494
Post by: H.B.M.C.
pretre wrote:I'm saying that bitching about something that you have no investment in because you don't play the game is silly.
Doesn't that make the assumption that in order to have an investment in you therefore need to play the game?
20774
Post by: pretre
H.B.M.C. wrote:pretre wrote:I'm saying that bitching about something that you have no investment in because you don't play the game is silly.
Doesn't that make the assumption that in order to have an investment in you therefore need to play the game?
To an extent, yes. Although I even gave credit for playing FFG and therefore having investment in the universe previously, although I still think complaining about fluff in a alleged release thread is silly.
What I really don't enjoy is people who pop in and say 'You know who doesn't have this problem? Warmachine. You guys should go play that.' or 'I haven't read a rulebook for 6th, or I've played one game, but here is why 6th is a giant piece of garbage.' or 'I stopped playing 40k because of price rises a year ago and I came in here to bitch about GW all over this release thread.' They are all off topic and not really helpful (not that this is on topic, other than to respond to your inquiry).
Back on topic, I think the product code analysis was very insightful and pushes me back towards wanting to believe. I told my wife that our bank account may take a hit when sisters come out and she asked 'Don't you have enough? How many points of sisters do you need???'
52163
Post by: Shandara
pretre wrote:
... and she asked 'Don't you have enough? How many points of sisters do you need???'
Is this some sort of code?
20774
Post by: pretre
Shandara wrote:pretre wrote:
... and she asked 'Don't you have enough? How many points of sisters do you need???'
Is this some sort of code?
Not sure what you're going for.
It was literally, "Don't you have enough sisters models...?"
29408
Post by: Melissia
Obviously the answer is "all of them".
20774
Post by: pretre
Melissia wrote:Obviously the answer is "all of them".
My bank account and storage space cannot support that answer.
45888
Post by: Lokas
Then clearly you need more money and storage.
I'd suggest robbing a bank. Steal literally the whole vault. Bury it in your back yard. Can you say hobby den?
29408
Post by: Melissia
Then you have failed.
46570
Post by: nolzur
AegisGrimm wrote:Spectral Dragon wrote:
That is not a terrible model. That is, however, a fairly terrible paint job considering it was done as a display piece.
I say meh. I can make a very nice Cypher for about 50% the price of any actual one by using plastic robed Dark Angel parts, and it's unique to me.
I actually really like that model...
57210
Post by: DemetriDominov
Anyone notice the comments about the movies?
54729
Post by: AegisGrimm
To be fair, some of us keep up with things for other (completely legitimate) reasons. I haven't played a game of 40K using GW's rules since 4th Ed was released, but I have to keep up with what's going on because it could directly impact some of the work I do for FFG.
To each his own. I actually buy the new models to play with 4th edition rules. Counts-as (Rifle-armed Scourges as Swooping Hawks, ok!) and VDR (any kind of flier) are my best friend for being able to use the latest cool models without the rules and codex updates.
I can guarantee there are plenty of hobbyists out there who collect, convert, and paint the models for an army, with much less emphasis on playing. Why? Because I'm one of them, for more than 15 years. I am halfway through a 2000pt. Eldar army right now, with two variant 2000pt Space marine armies, 1000pts of Chaos marines, 1500pts of Sisters of Battle, a Kroot Merc army, 2,000pts of Necrons, and 2000pts of yet to be painted Space Wolves.
I also have three Necromunda gangs, two Gorkamorka gangs, and two fleets of BFG.
And I haven't played more than a half-dozen games in 8 years due to a lack of interest in the area. Last game was in 3rd edition. I have played a ton of games of AT43 and Confrontation: Age of Ragnorok, though. i finally found a buddy to play 40K with, and it will be with 4e rules.
7222
Post by: timd
Werewargs!
Re: 504018111870208 Wargs: The Werebeast PL a18 Sou_A 02 cc
Found these pics posted on http://www.ucforums.com in the Hobbit thread:
http://heirsofdurin.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/vlog1-20-copy.jpg
http://heirsofdurin.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/vlog1-18-copy.jpg
Edited to correct links.
Photos apparently confirm that there is a upright Warg, quite possibly a Warg version of a Werebeast.
52201
Post by: evildrcheese
Links to the pics don't seem to be working for me?
Big tease or user error?
D
58317
Post by: tuiman
Not working for me either
29408
Post by: Melissia
No, and there's no reason they would work. They aren't complete links.
20774
Post by: pretre
They have nothing to do with the minis.
494
Post by: H.B.M.C.
Yeah. Looks like mokap tests. Meh.
20774
Post by: pretre
Yeah, I spoilered them to keep them from clogging us up.
7222
Post by: timd
evildrcheese wrote:Links to the pics don't seem to be working for me?
Big tease or user error?
D
User error...
Links are now fixed.
Photos apparently confirm that there is a upright Warg, quite possibly a Warg version of a Werebeast...
39666
Post by: GiraffeX
Just noticed the Deathwatch metal kit is no longer on GW's site, was there last week.
20774
Post by: pretre
That's weird, but probably unrelated as the DW stuff under this rumor is not set until after June 2013.
7728
Post by: stinkyjunk
I too just noticed that the Chaos Greater Daemon of Nurgle, Chaos Greater Daemon Slaanesh, Plaguebearers of Nurgle Command (as expected), Plaguebearers of Nurgle (as expected since old metals ones), and the Pack of Skulls are no longer available to be added to the cart on the US GW site.
Does this mean that these 2 Greater Daemons are actually right around the corner and this list is suddenly in doubt?
53180
Post by: Rivet
stinkyjunk wrote:I too just noticed that the Chaos Greater Daemon of Nurgle, Chaos Greater Daemon Slaanesh, Plaguebearers of Nurgle Command (as expected), Plaguebearers of Nurgle (as expected since old metals ones), and the Pack of Skulls are no longer available to be added to the cart on the US GW site.
Does this mean that these 2 Greater Daemons are actually right around the corner and this list is suddenly in doubt?
They are in Finecast (for the Greater Daemons) and plastic (for the Plaguebearers and pack of skulls) under new releases. Most likely they have not updated the Chaos Space Marine Summoned Daemons page because CSM are probably losing Summoned Daemons in their new codex.
39666
Post by: GiraffeX
Dark Angel terminators can no longer be added to the basket.
Edit: Also some of the Eldar Jetbikes as well
20774
Post by: pretre
Also not something that would be part of this list, since this list is post June 2013.
55956
Post by: Lt.Soundwave
We can hope : /
32545
Post by: Element206
holy crap! What a list of stuff! Makes me feel better now that I had to sell off half of my unpainted unassembled eldar....
24567
Post by: Kroothawk
Guess this also belongs here (first posted by Brometheus here):
Faeit 212 wrote:"Those aren't product codes, they're image serials which are later used to print the boxes / blisters.
This gives the model names credibility, but not necessarily the dates.
GW Packaging is produced (graphically, not physically printed) for the most part, well in advance, to make sure that there's always room "last minute" if there are changes to codexes and a new model package is needed.
Bear in mind, that some instances of "produced" mean nothing more than an original photo of a model being photoshoped onto a new background and formatted for one of several standard dimensions. I'm not suggesting custom oil paintings done or anything.
So to summarize:
All of those items are in the pipeline to get Imagery of some kind produced and formatted for the appropriate box/blister it will appear in. Like the Eldar from 2010 though (which still haven't seen the light of day), that in no way means much when it comes to release dates, beyond the vague promise of "sometime in the future."
Talks for the summer campaign are beginning though, so I'll keep you in the loop for those as it unfolds -- and yes, some of the models from that list would make a lot of sense with what's in the works so far."
Explains the odd number code.
686
Post by: aka_mythos
Not to draw too much attention to it, but that implicates the source as being someone in packaging production.
8907
Post by: cadbren
H.B.M.C. wrote:I kinda like Gale Claw... but given the track record with GW's plastic SM flyers, it'll probably get its own nickname soon after release.
They'll call it 'The GC' and people will either love it or hate it.
494
Post by: H.B.M.C.
Well the Chibi-Hawk has no body. The Space-Guppy has no wings. I predict the Gale Claw will have no cockpit!
49827
Post by: MajorWesJanson
cadbren wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:I kinda like Gale Claw... but given the track record with GW's plastic SM flyers, it'll probably get its own nickname soon after release.
They'll call it 'The GC' and people will either love it or hate it.
I plan to call it the Dorothy.
As for it being a packaging list, perhaps mf is multi-function, or that that model will be direct only, and use one of the plain white boxes?
36940
Post by: Anvildude
The Gale Claw shall have no Tail!
48239
Post by: Xeriapt
I reckon it will be a special stealthing flyer, will be sold as a flight stand and some imagination in a box.
16689
Post by: notprop
My money's on no engines, just extra skull ports.
686
Post by: aka_mythos
Random thought...
999030630110287 White Dwarf 6 RE c01 Len_B 02 pr
...place holder for White Dwarf subscription model?
181
Post by: gorgon
aka_mythos wrote:Not to draw too much attention to it, but that implicates the source as being someone in packaging production.
If you closely read the previous set of rumors describing the models, you'll find some clues.
16689
Post by: notprop
On the basis that these shock release leaks tend to get done between 9am and 4pm Monday to Friday, I'd say it's bob from the marketing and promotion department.
20774
Post by: pretre
Or the fact that a lot of us surf the internet at work.
18228
Post by: Amerikon
Sidstyler wrote: I used to play the game and now that GW have taken huge steps backwards with the core rules and completely invalidated two armies I really liked (Tyranids and Dark Eldar)
(Sorry to dredge this back up, but I just got around to reading the back half of this thread.) Here's the breakdown of armies at the Golden Throne GT from a couple of weeks ago. http://www.goldenthronegt.com/?page_id=364 Tyranids and Dark Eldar were the two best performing armies (with the exception of that one guy who brought Dark Angels and finished 8th). That Tyranids were the top army at a tourney that was unanimously criticized for not having enough terrain should be fairly strong evidence against your claim. Admittedly, one data point isn't conclusive, but it's better than a raw assertion. It looks like Tyranids were the best average army (based on Battle Points) at a recent fairly large RTT in Pasadena as well. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/90/465077.page#4653405
57715
Post by: Darklight
Has the Void Raven Bomber been cancelled? I didn't see it on the list, and thought it was coming out shortly.
17796
Post by: Slinky
This list supposedly shows things after June next year - please read thread more carefully
686
Post by: aka_mythos
That list is all for this time next year... So it means it's either due out sooner or later.
59515
Post by: gingerchris
I emailed a friend in gw hq regarding the apparent "leaked" document and was rewarded with the following reply,
"Hi Chris,
Yes, we've seen this - unfortunately for all the hobbyists out there that want to know what is coming it isn't real! "
this leads me to beleive that clearly some one is geting fired or was and had sent out a rather sensetive email on their last day in the ofice
20774
Post by: pretre
Wait, what?
So they denied it and that means that it was clearly an internal leak and someone got fired? Rather big leap there.
No answer you got out of a GW employee would have illuminated you any more than you already were.
4001
Post by: Compel
They could be telling the truth, from a certain point of view. Like the leaked ruleset.
"This is not the upcoming release list." - True
If it is, as people have been discussing, box size allocations for packaging... Which could mean that it's done a long time before maybe the models are finished. For example, a lot of the hobbit stuff could be for the second and third films....
20774
Post by: pretre
They could also be lying. The point is that it doesn't help to ask them. No answer they give is going to give any clarity unless they suddenly press release and say 'Yeah, that list is totally true. Here's our copy with official letterhead.'
5394
Post by: reds8n
Mr.75hastings wrote:To clarify....
Books.
CSM
WoC
DoC
Chaos Daemons
All will be realeased within 4-5 months of the CSM codex hitting (sep afaik)
Allied contingents rumour - cack
This release list leak - also cack (to the best of my knowledge ) for example the tau on that list aren't the tau that are getting released.
Sorry to piss on everyone's collective chips :(
Very soon ALL releases will complete army entries within 2 waves (and maybe a splash release of characters in finecrap) so look out for your favourite armies getting updated and actually being able to physically field every model from that book within 6-8 months of release. Necrons are the first example of this
I think DA are also in the mix here too.
20774
Post by: pretre
I'll pop over and add that to the Ongoing Accuracy list.
9892
Post by: Flashman
I suspected Daemons wouldn't be too far away. Releasing non-codex models with WD rules and then following up the official army book some months down the line is exactly what they did with Vampires last summer i.e. the Terrorgheist was released in August 2011 and the book arrived in January 2012.
GW don't like army rules spread out across different publications.
Anyway, kind of pleased, because I've started with some Plaguebearers and they could do with a decent codex, hopefully with some sort of "Nullify all Grey Knights' special rules" special rule
62229
Post by: Minx
Hastings wrote on warseer:
75hastings69 wrote:Oooooops!
Just noticed I made a little boob!
I meant to say 4 out of the next 5 books are chaos! After WoC and before the Deamon Codex & army book comes the Dark Angel Codex. Apologies to everyone.
5269
Post by: lord_blackfang
Minx wrote:Hastings wrote on warseer:
75hastings69 wrote:Oooooops!
Just noticed I made a little boob!
I meant to say 4 out of the next 5 books are chaos! After WoC and before the Deamon Codex & army book comes the Dark Angel Codex. Apologies to everyone.
He then goes on to say that after the 5 books come Lizardmen, and hints that they come out in March, further reinforcing that CSM, WoC, DA, DoC and CD will all be out by then.
58317
Post by: tuiman
Wow so 5 books before March?
So do DoC and CD get released at the same time considering it is the same army for both systems? Is that what happened last time?
494
Post by: H.B.M.C.
So we have Hastings saying the list is crap.
Harry saying the list is real.
Oh yeah. This is really useful...
8723
Post by: wyomingfox
hastings wrote:Allied contingents rumour - cack
This release list leak - also cack (to the best of my knowledge ) for example the tau on that list aren't the tau that are getting released.
BOOM! Consider that battleship sunk Automatically Appended Next Post: H.B.M.C. wrote:So we have Hastings saying the list is crap.
Harry saying the list is real.
Oh yeah. This is really useful...
When there is a disagreement, Harry tends to bow to Hasting.
664
Post by: Grimtuff
Hmmm, so if we're back to "this was a hoax", why put such a coherent list together just to troll the gaming community? This is too much of an effort to go through just for the lulz.
8723
Post by: wyomingfox
Grimtuff wrote:Hmmm, so if we're back to "this was a hoax", why put such a coherent list together just to troll the gaming community? This is too much of an effort to go through just for the lulz.
Pancake Edition? The fake Tyranid Codex?... Ghost 21? Some people do have that much time on thier hands and they do get enjoyment from watching others take the bait.
7637
Post by: Sasori
Here's the breakdown of armies at the Golden Throne GT from a couple of weeks ago.
http://www.goldenthronegt.com/?page_id=364
Tyranids and Dark Eldar were the two best performing armies (with the exception of that one guy who brought Dark Angels and finished 8th). That Tyranids were the top army at a tourney that was unanimously criticized for not having enough terrain should be fairly strong evidence against your claim. Admittedly, one data point isn't conclusive, but it's better than a raw assertion.
I don't see how you can say Tyranids were one of the best preforming armies, when they didn't even make it in the top 10. Also, almost all of the top Dark Eldar armies were all done with Eldar Allies. I do think that Tyranids came out positive from the results of 6th though.
Well done in 4th place, btw. I kinda spoiled myself with JY2s batrep results as well, looking at the list.
24567
Post by: Kroothawk
Hasting's rumours translate into this prediction:
Sept: CSM
Oct: WoC
Next: Dark Angels
Next (Febr latest): Codex Chaos Daemons, Daemons of Chaos armybook.
March: Lizardmen armybook.
4875
Post by: His Master's Voice
wyomingfox wrote:Grimtuff wrote:Hmmm, so if we're back to "this was a hoax", why put such a coherent list together just to troll the gaming community? This is too much of an effort to go through just for the lulz.
Pancake Edition? The fake Tyranid Codex?... Ghost 21? Some people do have that much time on thier hands and they do get enjoyment from watching others take the bait.
Only Pancake wasn't a hoax.
6515
Post by: Starfarer
H.B.M.C. wrote:So we have Hastings saying the list is crap.
Harry saying the list is real.
Oh yeah. This is really useful...
To be fair, Harry said it fits with what he knows to be real. All that really means is someone could be collecting all the rumors and parroting the same info. I wonder...I mean, I can't think of anyone specifically just compiling rumors... but if there was such a person...it might be them.
Anyway, we'll see how it all shakes out. I don't doubt Harry's genuine in anything he posts, but he will be the first to admit he knows little about 40k, being a Fantasy player, and typically doesn't know specific info on release schedules.
25200
Post by: Temujin
His Master's Voice wrote:wyomingfox wrote:Grimtuff wrote:Hmmm, so if we're back to "this was a hoax", why put such a coherent list together just to troll the gaming community? This is too much of an effort to go through just for the lulz.
Pancake Edition? The fake Tyranid Codex?... Ghost 21? Some people do have that much time on thier hands and they do get enjoyment from watching others take the bait.
Only Pancake wasn't a hoax.
That's my thinking too. Hastings is pretty much infallible, but he was adamant that pancake edition was rubbish, when I think it's pretty clear that came from within GW. Given how far out this stuff is, and keeping in mind that it relates to packaging rather than concrete releases, Hastings may simply be unaware of this stuff, or not willing to confirm something that is clearly harmful to GW (the Hobbit leaks). I'm not expecting this list to pan out exactly as shown, but I'm pretty much convinced that it is what it purports to be.
52201
Post by: evildrcheese
Sorry to be slow on the update take here, but WTF is/was 'Pancake Edition'?
D
20774
Post by: pretre
It was the allegedly leaked rulebook from 6 months to a year ago. It was pretty conclusively debunked by a lot of folks and had really no resemblance to 6th edition beyond the 40,000 lavbel.
15804
Post by: Klueless
Nice to see lots of new Tyranid Flyers being released. Not to mention the abundance of models that don’t exist in the codex yet. LOL!
181
Post by: gorgon
pretre wrote:It was the allegedly leaked rulebook from 6 months to a year ago. It was pretty conclusively debunked by a lot of folks and had really no resemblance to 6th edition beyond the 40,000 lavbel.
IIRC, Beasts of War (who seem to have some pretty good sources) said it was an early playtest document. So your perspective on whether it was a hoax depends on whether you viewed it to be a final document or not.
Back OT, I think it's the Hobbit part of the release list that seems to lend the whole thing authenticity. You can kinda figure out what holes exist in 40K model lines and then make up some new kit names to compile a phony release list. The Hobbit stuff seems oddly detailed and isn't as much of a no brainer.
Also, I don't want to get into this much, but there are certain clues in the list and in the rumored descriptions of new Eldar models that fit together and point to a particular source for both. And while that may all be part of the hoax, it makes it a pretty good hoax, LOL. You'd think that if you were creating a hoax, you'd invent a different type of source with access to slightly different information.
Even with Hastings' comments, this list still sits comfortably in rumorland for me -- not necessarily true, but not necessarily false either.
20774
Post by: pretre
gorgon wrote:pretre wrote:It was the allegedly leaked rulebook from 6 months to a year ago. It was pretty conclusively debunked by a lot of folks and had really no resemblance to 6th edition beyond the 40,000 lavbel.
IIRC, Beasts of War (who seem to have some pretty good sources) said it was an early playtest document. So your perspective on whether it was a hoax depends on whether you viewed it to be a final document or not.
Except even if it was early playtest, it has less in common with 6th and 5th than it does with 2nd.
8723
Post by: wyomingfox
gorgon wrote:pretre wrote:It was the allegedly leaked rulebook from 6 months to a year ago. It was pretty conclusively debunked by a lot of folks and had really no resemblance to 6th edition beyond the 40,000 lavbel.
IIRC, Beasts of War (who seem to have some pretty good sources) said it was an early playtest document. So your perspective on whether it was a hoax depends on whether you viewed it to be a final document or not.
True but Hastings and Tastytaste said it was fake. So 2 out of 3 reliable rumor bearers. Plus it has no semblance to 6th edition, so I have a hard time even taking it for an early, early play test.
52201
Post by: evildrcheese
Ah yeah I remeber that. It had the evasion rules and stuff, it didn't look like a bad rule set to be honest... Just remembered the password to download the file was pancake! It all slots into place now.
Cheers for the clarification.
D
16689
Post by: notprop
[waves hand] "These are not the droids you are looking for".
Could well be that the friend of a friend was pulling the old "everything you have been told is a lie routine". But I guess we will see. Since GW believe (rightly or wrongly) that this information could effectively curtail sales of the lines on the list: basically GW will say its a hoax no matter what the truth is.
I hope that clears everything up for everyone.
1084
Post by: Agamemnon2
Grimtuff wrote:Hmmm, so if we're back to "this was a hoax", why put such a coherent list together just to troll the gaming community? This is too much of an effort to go through just for the lulz.
There is nothing a sufficiently determined 40k troll won't resort to, in my experience. This is certainly within the bounds of reasonable behavior
181
Post by: gorgon
wyomingfox wrote:gorgon wrote:pretre wrote:It was the allegedly leaked rulebook from 6 months to a year ago. It was pretty conclusively debunked by a lot of folks and had really no resemblance to 6th edition beyond the 40,000 lavbel.
IIRC, Beasts of War (who seem to have some pretty good sources) said it was an early playtest document. So your perspective on whether it was a hoax depends on whether you viewed it to be a final document or not.
True but Hastings and Tastytaste said it was fake. So 2 out of 3 reliable rumor bearers. Plus it has no semblance to 6th edition, so I have a hard time even taking it for an early, early play test.
The other way to look at it was that 3 out of 3 rumormongers said it was fake, but only one elaborated on where it came from. *shrug*
Look, regarding the list, I really don't think you can go wrong trusting Hastings. But either way it's all just a bunch of rumors being electronically written by anonymous persons, and as such I'm never going to treat any of it as absolute gospel or completely false. Rumors exist in a grey area until we get official confirmation.
8723
Post by: wyomingfox
Fair enough
9892
Post by: Flashman
What will amuse me (if it is fake) is that GW are so bad at coming with names for new units these days that few people raised an eyebrow at Gale Claw.
32802
Post by: wickedcarrot
If these rumors are true I cannot wait for plastic sisters of battle!!!
24567
Post by: Kroothawk
Jes Goodwin confirmed working on Plastic Sisters, whether this list is true or not.
4271
Post by: Eisenhorn
He was working on them right after he did the DE
Back in GD 2010 he said he needed a break for a bit then would work on something a bit less masculine,clearly hinting he was doing the Sisters
57235
Post by: Daemonhammer
200462312010203 Space Marine Astartes Battle Fortress Defence Wall PL a20 Len_B 02 cc
200462412010202 Space Marine Astartes Battle Fortress Tower / Pillar of Heroes PL a20 Len_B 02 cc
200462512340209 Space Marine Astartes Battle Fortress Monastery PL a23 Len_A 02 cc
42176
Post by: kitch102
 Flashman wrote:What will amuse me (if it is fake) is that GW are so bad at coming with names for new units these days that few people raised an eyebrow at Gale Claw.
Sounds like some dodgy prime time news reporter
"Thanks Tom, and now we go live to Gale Claw whose bringing us the whole scoop, live from the scene..."
lolz
52201
Post by: evildrcheese
 Kroothawk wrote:Jes Goodwin confirmed working on Plastic Sisters, whether this list is true or not.
This is news to me, did this confirmation happen recently?
If I remember correctly plastic Sisters have been rumoured since the eighteen-hundreds. I can never tell if Sisters rumours are new or just having a spell of resurrection.
D
4001
Post by: Compel
The last story I heard, was that he was working on plastic sisters but he was having major problems with the plastic technology doing all the fancy undercuts and stuff.
Though that was at least a year ago.
Still, if this is just a list of packaging sizes etc, it could be things that are planned and not necessarily imminent.
53595
Post by: Palindrome
I suspect that a large part of this is correct, I doubt that it will be exactly right but the core sounds quite plausable. If not someone did a vast amount of work on a hoax.
After all the 'pancake' edition wasn't quite as much of a hoax as it was claimed to be.
17796
Post by: Slinky
I'm coming down on the side of "this leaked list is real".
Time will tell
29194
Post by: Luco
Plastic sisters? Eldar stuffs? My poor wallet being beaten even after the new starter set has killed it already.
44255
Post by: Rayvon
 Slinky wrote:I'm coming down on the side of "this leaked list is real".
Time will tell
There is always hope..
36535
Post by: Midnightdeathblade
Oh my god... Chapter Master Tu'shan...Ive died and gone to Nocturne....
Space Marine stuff sounds incredible! Imma be broke!
518
Post by: Kid_Kyoto
 kitch102 wrote: Flashman wrote:What will amuse me (if it is fake) is that GW are so bad at coming with names for new units these days that few people raised an eyebrow at Gale Claw.
Sounds like some dodgy prime time news reporter
"Thanks Tom, and now we go live to Gale Claw whose bringing us the whole scoop, live from the scene..."
lolz
Just to spite us GW will change the name on the final product.
Get ready for the Windy Hand!
24567
Post by: Kroothawk
75hastings69 wrote:I always know more than I post
I KNOW what's getting released beyond 2014 so a list that allegedly starts 10 months from now really isn't a problem
Not trying to show off just trying to make people's understanding of my "rumours" a little easier.
I actually think Harry and I are at a similar standpoint on this list..... we've both heard "similar" bits to "some" parts of the list, but some parts are ( IMO) pure fabrication.
Yep, you missed it. Tau are apparently not out early next year. Well, not as early as you seem to think at least.
Yes they are. Theyre the first 40k release of next year (after the Deamons which release for both at the same time) and before Eldar.
So does that mean DA this year?
Yes, after CSM and before CD. Last codex of 2012.
(...)
Should look something like... Sep CSM, Oct WoC, Nov DA, beginning Dec Hobbit, busy few months eh and next year looks likely to continue the pace
51194
Post by: meh_
I know I am late to the party, but ... PLASTIC SISTERS!
56307
Post by: unmercifulconker
I guess I can hold out till end September then for csm, gives me a challenge to get my current warband all painted up.
53362
Post by: caminacambob
Oh please let Hastings be right! Been waiting patiently for Tau and each time we are dissapointed....
24567
Post by: Kroothawk
More by Hastings:
75hastings69 wrote:Well September isn`t going to be CSM. Unless youe counting the WD release on the last weekend of the month of September as the September Dwarf?
I am. I believe CSM will be in the WD after the starter box issue and release end sep/begin oct. then same pattern for WoC, DA & Hobbit. Does seem a lot to cram in before the end of the year but I'm reliably informed this is what's happening........
of course I could be wrong
(it's happened before - I'm sure Harry or Avian will tell you!)
The current issue of the UK WD is 392, the August issue, released on the 28th of July,
The next one is 393, the September issue, to be released on the 25th of August.
Yep you got it. I'm going with:-
393 starter
394 CSM
395 WoC
396 Hobbit
(...)
No SoB for a long time yet that ok?
DA are the last available for pre-orders in 2012. So in some sense a 2012 release. I agree that it's confusing, but that seems to be the formula Hastings has been using for some time.
Exactly this ^
Apologies for any confusion.
For clarity running order for 40k & wfb =
40k starter
CSM
WoC
DA
CD/ DoC
Tau
HE
Eldar
LM
That little lot should take us to around this time next year or a couple of months after (plus waves of models in between the codex/army book releases.... oh and the hobbit stuff).
drbored wrote:I'm just getting frustrated at people that have a list of months with a major codex release in every single one when it's clear that GW has no interest in doing that.
How is it clear GW have no interest in doing it? Haven't they actually stated they plan to increase the frequency of codex/army book updates AND that they intend every army to have each unit represented on the tabletop by an actual model within 6-12 months of the army book release? This would require an increased output, which is exactly what ALL of my sources are telling me is the case.
61627
Post by: KalashnikovMarine
Heh, "no SoB for a long time yet" hell why not? What's another year?
29408
Post by: Melissia
Or three.
*imagines them as yet another end-of-edition release, just before seventh*
42470
Post by: SickSix
Well, I wish hastings would say which items in the list are 'plausible' and which are not.
If the Chapter Master Tu'Shan is a fabrication, I'd like to know sooner than later.
64194
Post by: commander astelan
not that im holding out too much hope of this being true, but with sword brethren and neophytes being in this list...but nothing else...no mention of a codex or any other new kits it could mean Templars are getting some love BEFORE june 2013...and the SB and neo's and just a late release ...one can always dream... Automatically Appended Next Post: unless of course all of the above is correct and im actually in the matrix.... Automatically Appended Next Post: Just to spite us GW will change the name on the final product.
Get ready for the Windy Hand!
prepare yourselves for the "blustery with a chance of snow kestrel!"
16387
Post by: Manchu
Please let dead threads rest in peace, especially in the News & Rumors forum.
2764
Post by: AgeOfEgos
Thread is being locked due to thread necromancy.
|
|
