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Mr.75hastings wrote:To clarify....

Books.

CSM
WoC
DoC
Chaos Daemons

All will be realeased within 4-5 months of the CSM codex hitting (sep afaik)

Allied contingents rumour - cack
This release list leak - also cack (to the best of my knowledge ) for example the tau on that list aren't the tau that are getting released.

Sorry to piss on everyone's collective chips :(

Very soon ALL releases will complete army entries within 2 waves (and maybe a splash release of characters in finecrap) so look out for your favourite armies getting updated and actually being able to physically field every model from that book within 6-8 months of release. Necrons are the first example of this

I think DA are also in the mix here too.

I'll pop over and add that to the Ongoing Accuracy list.

I suspected Daemons wouldn't be too far away. Releasing non-codex models with WD rules and then following up the official army book some months down the line is exactly what they did with Vampires last summer i.e. the Terrorgheist was released in August 2011 and the book arrived in January 2012.

GW don't like army rules spread out across different publications.

Anyway, kind of pleased, because I've started with some Plaguebearers and they could do with a decent codex, hopefully with some sort of "Nullify all Grey Knights' special rules" special rule

Hastings wrote on warseer:

75hastings69 wrote:Oooooops!

Just noticed I made a little boob!

I meant to say 4 out of the next 5 books are chaos! After WoC and before the Deamon Codex & army book comes the Dark Angel Codex. Apologies to everyone.

Minx wrote:Hastings wrote on warseer:

75hastings69 wrote:Oooooops!

Just noticed I made a little boob!

I meant to say 4 out of the next 5 books are chaos! After WoC and before the Deamon Codex & army book comes the Dark Angel Codex. Apologies to everyone.

He then goes on to say that after the 5 books come Lizardmen, and hints that they come out in March, further reinforcing that CSM, WoC, DA, DoC and CD will all be out by then.

Wow so 5 books before March?

So do DoC and CD get released at the same time considering it is the same army for both systems? Is that what happened last time?

So we have Hastings saying the list is crap.
Harry saying the list is real.


Oh yeah. This is really useful...

hastings wrote:Allied contingents rumour - cack
This release list leak - also cack (to the best of my knowledge ) for example the tau on that list aren't the tau that are getting released.

BOOM! Consider that battleship sunk


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H.B.M.C. wrote:So we have Hastings saying the list is crap.
Harry saying the list is real.


Oh yeah. This is really useful...

When there is a disagreement, Harry tends to bow to Hasting.

Hmmm, so if we're back to "this was a hoax", why put such a coherent list together just to troll the gaming community? This is too much of an effort to go through just for the lulz.

Grimtuff wrote:Hmmm, so if we're back to "this was a hoax", why put such a coherent list together just to troll the gaming community? This is too much of an effort to go through just for the lulz.

Pancake Edition? The fake Tyranid Codex?... Ghost 21? Some people do have that much time on thier hands and they do get enjoyment from watching others take the bait.

Here's the breakdown of armies at the Golden Throne GT from a couple of weeks ago.
http://www.goldenthronegt.com/?page_id=364

Tyranids and Dark Eldar were the two best performing armies (with the exception of that one guy who brought Dark Angels and finished 8th). That Tyranids were the top army at a tourney that was unanimously criticized for not having enough terrain should be fairly strong evidence against your claim. Admittedly, one data point isn't conclusive, but it's better than a raw assertion.

I don't see how you can say Tyranids were one of the best preforming armies, when they didn't even make it in the top 10. Also, almost all of the top Dark Eldar armies were all done with Eldar Allies. I do think that Tyranids came out positive from the results of 6th though.

Well done in 4th place, btw. I kinda spoiled myself with JY2s batrep results as well, looking at the list.

Hasting's rumours translate into this prediction:

Sept: CSM
Oct: WoC
Next: Dark Angels
Next (Febr latest): Codex Chaos Daemons, Daemons of Chaos armybook.
March: Lizardmen armybook.

wyomingfox wrote:

Grimtuff wrote:Hmmm, so if we're back to "this was a hoax", why put such a coherent list together just to troll the gaming community? This is too much of an effort to go through just for the lulz.

Pancake Edition? The fake Tyranid Codex?... Ghost 21? Some people do have that much time on thier hands and they do get enjoyment from watching others take the bait.

Only Pancake wasn't a hoax.

H.B.M.C. wrote:So we have Hastings saying the list is crap.
Harry saying the list is real.


Oh yeah. This is really useful...

To be fair, Harry said it fits with what he knows to be real. All that really means is someone could be collecting all the rumors and parroting the same info. I wonder...I mean, I can't think of anyone specifically just compiling rumors... but if there was such a person...it might be them.


Anyway, we'll see how it all shakes out. I don't doubt Harry's genuine in anything he posts, but he will be the first to admit he knows little about 40k, being a Fantasy player, and typically doesn't know specific info on release schedules.

His Master's Voice wrote:

wyomingfox wrote:

Grimtuff wrote:Hmmm, so if we're back to "this was a hoax", why put such a coherent list together just to troll the gaming community? This is too much of an effort to go through just for the lulz.

Pancake Edition? The fake Tyranid Codex?... Ghost 21? Some people do have that much time on thier hands and they do get enjoyment from watching others take the bait.

Only Pancake wasn't a hoax.

That's my thinking too. Hastings is pretty much infallible, but he was adamant that pancake edition was rubbish, when I think it's pretty clear that came from within GW. Given how far out this stuff is, and keeping in mind that it relates to packaging rather than concrete releases, Hastings may simply be unaware of this stuff, or not willing to confirm something that is clearly harmful to GW (the Hobbit leaks). I'm not expecting this list to pan out exactly as shown, but I'm pretty much convinced that it is what it purports to be.

Sorry to be slow on the update take here, but WTF is/was 'Pancake Edition'?

D

It was the allegedly leaked rulebook from 6 months to a year ago. It was pretty conclusively debunked by a lot of folks and had really no resemblance to 6th edition beyond the 40,000 lavbel.

Nice to see lots of new Tyranid Flyers being released. Not to mention the abundance of models that don’t exist in the codex yet. LOL!

pretre wrote:It was the allegedly leaked rulebook from 6 months to a year ago. It was pretty conclusively debunked by a lot of folks and had really no resemblance to 6th edition beyond the 40,000 lavbel.

IIRC, Beasts of War (who seem to have some pretty good sources) said it was an early playtest document. So your perspective on whether it was a hoax depends on whether you viewed it to be a final document or not.

Back OT, I think it's the Hobbit part of the release list that seems to lend the whole thing authenticity. You can kinda figure out what holes exist in 40K model lines and then make up some new kit names to compile a phony release list. The Hobbit stuff seems oddly detailed and isn't as much of a no brainer.

Also, I don't want to get into this much, but there are certain clues in the list and in the rumored descriptions of new Eldar models that fit together and point to a particular source for both. And while that may all be part of the hoax, it makes it a pretty good hoax, LOL. You'd think that if you were creating a hoax, you'd invent a different type of source with access to slightly different information.

Even with Hastings' comments, this list still sits comfortably in rumorland for me -- not necessarily true, but not necessarily false either.

gorgon wrote:

pretre wrote:It was the allegedly leaked rulebook from 6 months to a year ago. It was pretty conclusively debunked by a lot of folks and had really no resemblance to 6th edition beyond the 40,000 lavbel.

IIRC, Beasts of War (who seem to have some pretty good sources) said it was an early playtest document. So your perspective on whether it was a hoax depends on whether you viewed it to be a final document or not.

Except even if it was early playtest, it has less in common with 6th and 5th than it does with 2nd.

gorgon wrote:

pretre wrote:It was the allegedly leaked rulebook from 6 months to a year ago. It was pretty conclusively debunked by a lot of folks and had really no resemblance to 6th edition beyond the 40,000 lavbel.

IIRC, Beasts of War (who seem to have some pretty good sources) said it was an early playtest document. So your perspective on whether it was a hoax depends on whether you viewed it to be a final document or not.

True but Hastings and Tastytaste said it was fake. So 2 out of 3 reliable rumor bearers. Plus it has no semblance to 6th edition, so I have a hard time even taking it for an early, early play test.

Ah yeah I remeber that. It had the evasion rules and stuff, it didn't look like a bad rule set to be honest... Just remembered the password to download the file was pancake! It all slots into place now.

Cheers for the clarification.

D

[waves hand] "These are not the droids you are looking for".

Could well be that the friend of a friend was pulling the old "everything you have been told is a lie routine". But I guess we will see. Since GW believe (rightly or wrongly) that this information could effectively curtail sales of the lines on the list: basically GW will say its a hoax no matter what the truth is.

I hope that clears everything up for everyone.

Grimtuff wrote:Hmmm, so if we're back to "this was a hoax", why put such a coherent list together just to troll the gaming community? This is too much of an effort to go through just for the lulz.

There is nothing a sufficiently determined 40k troll won't resort to, in my experience. This is certainly within the bounds of reasonable behavior

wyomingfox wrote:

gorgon wrote:

pretre wrote:It was the allegedly leaked rulebook from 6 months to a year ago. It was pretty conclusively debunked by a lot of folks and had really no resemblance to 6th edition beyond the 40,000 lavbel.

IIRC, Beasts of War (who seem to have some pretty good sources) said it was an early playtest document. So your perspective on whether it was a hoax depends on whether you viewed it to be a final document or not.

True but Hastings and Tastytaste said it was fake. So 2 out of 3 reliable rumor bearers. Plus it has no semblance to 6th edition, so I have a hard time even taking it for an early, early play test.

The other way to look at it was that 3 out of 3 rumormongers said it was fake, but only one elaborated on where it came from. *shrug*

Look, regarding the list, I really don't think you can go wrong trusting Hastings. But either way it's all just a bunch of rumors being electronically written by anonymous persons, and as such I'm never going to treat any of it as absolute gospel or completely false. Rumors exist in a grey area until we get official confirmation.

Fair enough

What will amuse me (if it is fake) is that GW are so bad at coming with names for new units these days that few people raised an eyebrow at Gale Claw.

If these rumors are true I cannot wait for plastic sisters of battle!!!

Jes Goodwin confirmed working on Plastic Sisters, whether this list is true or not.

He was working on them right after he did the DE
Back in GD 2010 he said he needed a break for a bit then would work on something a bit less masculine,clearly hinting he was doing the Sisters