Hordini wrote: If they're not a military force, then Earth has no military force, which certainly is not true.
Earth has no military force. Roddenberry meant for that specifically to be true. He wrote the Federation to be a utopian society : post-scarcity with no need for a military. In the original, the fleet purely exists in an exploratory, scientific function.
More accurately it should be said(thanks to DS9 and later series), Earth/the Federation has no permanent military force. In events such as the Dominion War, the fleet is recalled to act as a military.
At the very least, they could be classified as an armed paramilitary force whose primary function is exploration. Even if that makes Roddenberry fans uncomfortable, that is pretty much how they operate.
Apparently we now know the working Title. "The Ancient Fear"
Thoughts?
Sith, always with the sith with you people, getting rid of the EU to replace it with... exactly the same plot devices the EU used (random sith lord of the week)
Still going to see it, love it, buy it, think its the best ever (probably)
EmilCrane wrote: exactly the same plot devices the EU used (random sith lord of the week)
Xizor, Thrawn, Daala, Isard, Zsinj, Yuuzhon Vong.
Sith were far from Plot A for most the EU. Even then, most of the force villains tended to be Dark Jedi in the middle of their fall more than actual Sith.
EmilCrane wrote: exactly the same plot devices the EU used (random sith lord of the week)
Xizor, Thrawn, Daala, Isard, Zsinj, Yuuzhon Vong.
Sith were far from Plot A for most the EU. Even then, most of the force villains tended to be Dark Jedi in the middle of their fall more than actual Sith.
Right, instead of a new Sith every week, they just recycled the old ones
Because why come up with an original design concept when you can just clone Sidious
From the looks of it, he hasn't acted since the late 80s. I'll bet they could squeeze him into an orange jumpsuit. Very odd call though. I can't imagine ever having the nerve to be too big for Star Wars, especially if you were one of the heroes.
Perhaps he was a fan of the EU and didn't approve of the direction they've taken? Or maybe he got to see the script and thought it was bs like most of us seem to think it will be?
chaos0xomega wrote: Perhaps he was a fan of the EU and didn't approve of the direction they've taken? Or maybe he got to see the script and thought it was bs like most of us seem to think it will be?
More likely he read the script and the part was just throwing a bone to the EU fans and thus uninteresting and boring. Probably just Wedge being a general and giving a briefing or just making small talk with Luke and some of the new kids. Small part, nothing interest, so he passed.
Well, due to the destruction of the EU, there presently is no such thing as Rogue Squadron (aside from the use of the callsign 'Rogue Leader' in The Empire Strikes Back, otherwise the designation used throughout is 'Red Squadron'.
chaos0xomega wrote: Well, due to the destruction of the EU, there presently is no such thing as Rogue Squadron (aside from the use of the callsign 'Rogue Leader' in The Empire Strikes Back, otherwise the designation used throughout is 'Red Squadron'.
The team is actually referred to as Rogue Group in the script for Empire.
I for one, will not be able to cope. No Wedge? No point. This is me bowing out of Star Wars fandom, folks. I'll send a bouquet and letter of condolence to my D6 Star Wars RPG group and I'll cancell my SWTOR subscription.
It's a good thing I have my Blake's 7 fandom to fall back on.
chaos0xomega wrote: interesting, i dont believe they ever say that out loud?
Nope, it's only referenced through using the call signs.
Here's some of the movie's actual dialogue:
Luke: Rogue Three? Wedge: Copy, Rogue Leader. Luke: Wedge, i've lost my gunner. You're going to have to take the shot. I'll cover for you. Set your harpoon, follow me on the next pass. Wedge: Coming around, Rogue Leader.
I don't remember if Zev is actually referred as Rogue Two when he finds Han and Luke found, but I think he is.
So, without the script, we know they're Rogues the same way we know Wedge is in Red in ANH and RotJ.
If you're interested, you can find all of Wedge's lines here:
chaos0xomega wrote: Huh, for some reason I always thought the line was 'red squadron, lock s-foils in attack position'. Guess you're right.
It is. In ANH they are Red (X-Wing) and Gold (Y-wing) squadrons (originally Blue and Red, but the fx department told George to change it because the models wouldn't show up properly against the bluescreen if they had blue markings on them) and in RoTJ they were Red (Wedge and his dudes) Gold (Lando and his dudes) Green (some A-wing pilot and his dudes) and Gray (some Y-wing dude who showed up a lot in the Rogue Squadron novels and his dudes).
Script-wise and on-screen they were only Rogues in Empire Strikes Back. The EU explained this by saying that after the Battle of Yavin Wedge and Luke formed a squadron of badass badasses and named it "Rogue Squadron". From that point on, Wedge and Luke were always in Rogue Squadron and the Rogues were just temporarily re-named Red Squadron for the assault on the second Death Star because nostalgia. After that, they were back to being the Rogues again.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/richardhjames/wife-buys-husband-the-greatest-anniversary-present-of-all-ti The clip by the CGI visual effects company based in Kansas City shows the man giving his wife increasingly elaborate gifts on their special day. When it’s his turn to receive his present, the result is a little underwhelming… Until his real present is revealed. Every boy’s dream – the Millennium Falcon from Star Wars.
Here’s a kind of convoluted rumor for you to chew on as we continue to wait for no news about Star Wars: Episode VII. According to an interesting e-mail we’ve intercepted, and which purports to come from within Disney’s marketing department, the studio are planning to re-release A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi on DVD/Blu-Ray/On Demand in their original form, without all the things George Lucas changed for the “Special Edition” releases back in 2004.
The new trilogy is going to be very closely tied to the original (and not so much the prequels, if you’re reading between the lines) and will be marketed as a direct sequel to those, so this particular re-release strategy makes a certain sense.
Going forward and looking at the much bigger picture, there are more dubious rumors to consider, like Disney potentially phasing out the prequel trilogy by lumping them in with the “Legends” non-canon fodder. This has apparently been the subject of gossip near Disney, though it’s very possibly just that – gossip amongst the worker bees. Anyway, it would allow for a reboot of sorts, with new prequel movies featuring Yoda, Darth Vader, etc.
But like I said, that rumour is much more dubious. Sure, they probably don’t want people to think too closely how disappointing the last three Star Wars films were in the run up to a new release, but to erase them from canon… would be a totally different story.
For now, though, there is room to remain hopeful about a new original trilogy re-release.
Can't see them ignoring the 3 prequels at all honestly, could see some extra spin off films set between III and IV easily enough though.
Yeah I have no problem with them sharpening up detail and perhaps tweaking colours to make them more vibrant just don't edit how the scenes play out or add new crap in.
I'd like to see em release the original series like the original series.. but they can't abandon the prequels.. There's a whole generation of 10-12 year olds that grew up loving Jar Jar and Little Orphan Anie.. and if the prequels go away they'll end up hating Disney for ruining Star Wars the same way us older kids hate Lucas for ruining Star Wars. So since Disney wants everyone to love them, I don't see this happening.
I haven't found to many that felt the prequels held up much beyond their childhood. I'm not saying they aren't out there, but I haven't run into them. The few I knew that liked Jar Jar et al when they were kids find the prequels painful to watch now.
It would be an exceptionally bold move to invalidate the prequels entirely. Then again, we live in a world that has had 2 alternative Spiderman franchises within a decade, has another version of Batman in progress not 5 years after the last version ended, and reboots of just about anything in being talked about (A slight exaggeration, but not far off).
There's certainly a precedent for throwing out a whole load of stuff, although I do appreciate that SW is the source material rather than a version of it while the comic movies are simply interpretations of a source, which complicates the matter.
It'll either be a hidden Sith Lord, which as Manchu points out will be too close to the Phantom Menace, or perhaps they'll introduce something new.
I wonder if they'll change it back to how the Emperor was in the original trilogy with Lightsabers being Jedi weapons and the Sith really just tapping into the Dark Side for all their power. Obviously Vader retained his as he was a fallen Jedi.
The prequels having lightsabers being able to absorb force lightning really neutered the potency of the power.
Well I guess it's the same point but replace "Prequels" with "EU"
My point being that in the original trilogy it is referred to as a Jedi weapon. Palpatine never gave the impression of being a Jedi at any point. It might make the Sith more interesting if they weren't just evil Jedi... don't get me wrong, I love Vader but the Emperor was a completely different kind of evil.
Yeah, the origin of the Sith, coming out of the Manadlorian War and with whole Revan/Malak thing is pretty cool, I hope they don't lose that. The Sith being fallen Jedi, a direct counterpart, actually makes things pretty interesting; they are what any Jedi could become.
"A holocron uncovered on a dark planet references an enemy that came a devastated the Old republic, over 1000 years ago. And they are prophesied to return....the Yuuzang Vong come again...."
Manchu wrote: Ancient Fear sounds bit too much like Phantom Menace, both as a title and considering the likely plot implications.
It also serves as the antithesis of 'A New Hope'. There is a certain wonderful cycle here. Use episode 7 to destroy the Galactic Alliance or Rebellion, then have the new organization formed in 8 and triumph in 9. This could be left with a much murkier ending, since Disney knows that they will continue to use this universe for tie ins. A galaxy in flux, with all of the major Lucas powers (Empire, Rebels) destroyed would be a blank slate for writers to play in.
Platuan4th wrote: I'd be OK with the ANH Jabba scene being left in, too, since it was supposed to be there.
I'm not posting a facepalm image right now--not even a Picard Facepalm--because I'm too busy swallowing back my vomit.
And that's assuming you mean the scene with the human actor and not the abomination with the Nar Shaddaan version of the uncanny valley and the 'comedy' tail-stepping Solo. I--I couldn't imagine what I would do if you meant that.
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Grey Templar wrote: Keep in mind they aren't totally destroying the EU, merely saying they have the right to change/ignore it as they see fit.
Which could mean its nothing more than a cover, but it could also be the real title.
It is a rumored working title based on Harry Knowles repeating an anonymous source. There is no official information or release at this point. It is likely true, but an anonymous source to an internet fan isn't the same as a press release.
If they wipe the slate clean with the prequels, I'll forgive them for cutting out more of the good EU stuff. I know that's wishful thinking, of course.
Honestly, just releasing the original theatrical cut of the trilogy on Blu-Ray/DVD would build a lot of good will, I think - I hope they actually do that.
I remember seeing episode 1 in theaters for the first time, I was 11 or 12 and loved. I saw 3 times.
Saw many moons later and did not have the same reaction to it or the other 2 movies. Either I'm getting old and grumpy or they were not all that.
my friends and I had a star wars marathon of all 6 movies. I can't help but think that all the bad aspects of the prequel trilogy should have seemed obvious. The list is short, but they are big issues.
Still love the fight scene with Darth Maul, Obi Wan and qui gon jinn, I was recently told that the actor that played darth maul choreographed that fight scene,
I just don't want this new trilogy to suck, I want a new scifi film to be good, have substance and an engaging dialog to it. Is that too much to ask?
Piston Honda wrote: Still love the fight scene with Darth Maul, Obi Wan and qui gon jinn, I was recently told that the actor that played darth maul choreographed that fight scene,
He did. He did the choreography and they liked him so much, they gave him the role.
Still love the fight scene with Darth Maul, Obi Wan and qui gon jinn, I was recently told that the actor that played darth maul choreographed that fight scene,
Yeah, that fight almost makes the first film worth watching. Almost. I hate the fights in II and III as they are too jumpy-flippy-showy-offy, but the end of TPM, regardless of the plot being poor, finds that right balance between visual impressiveness and a degree of character that makes the Luke/Vader fights in V and VI so great.
As to your other point, I agree the prequels are fine when you see them as a kid, which is why I won't entirely dismiss them. Poor films or not, episodes 1-3 pretty much defined my childhood from the ages of 4-10, and I owe them for that.
Still love the fight scene with Darth Maul, Obi Wan and qui gon jinn, I was recently told that the actor that played darth maul choreographed that fight scene,
Yeah, that fight almost makes the first film worth watching. Almost. I hate the fights in II and III as they are too jumpy-flippy-showy-offy, but the end of TPM, regardless of the plot being poor, finds that right balance between visual impressiveness and a degree of character that makes the Luke/Vader fights in V and VI so great.
Once in a blue moon I youtube just to watch it,
my friends and I got in trouble when we were doing a piss poor job of recreating that scene during recess with baseball bats.
Platuan4th wrote: I'd be OK with the ANH Jabba scene being left in, too, since it was supposed to be there.
I'm not posting a facepalm image right now--not even a Picard Facepalm--because I'm too busy swallowing back my vomit.
And that's assuming you mean the scene with the human actor and not the abomination with the Nar Shaddaan version of the uncanny valley and the 'comedy' tail-stepping Solo. I--I couldn't imagine what I would do if you meant that.
Especially as everything of importance was moved to the Greedo scene making it redundant as well as poorly done.
Ahtman wrote: I haven't found to many that felt the prequels held up much beyond their childhood. I'm not saying they aren't out there, but I haven't run into them. The few I knew that liked Jar Jar et al when they were kids find the prequels painful to watch now.
Meh, I still enjoy the prequels, but then I went into them not really expecting anything more than a cool special effects fest. And they deliver that in spades.
Yes, the dialogue is corny (as was a lot of the original trilogy) and in some cases downright tragic (I love you because you're not like sand...) and the plot is somewhat swiss-cheese-like... but if you don't try to take them too seriously, they're a lot of fun.
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Piston Honda wrote: Still love the fight scene with Darth Maul, Obi Wan and qui gon jinn, I was recently told that the actor that played darth maul choreographed that fight scene,
Ray Park is a stuntman rather than an actor. That's why Darth Maul doesn't get to say very much . He also played the headless horseman in sleepy hollow (for the bits where he didn't have his head on) - no dialogue, and Toad in X-Men (who had, what, two lines?).
He's an outstanding martial artist, though. And yes, that fight still rocks.
You can certainly watch the prequels, but I find myself skipping through the films rather than watching the full thing. Takes me about 30 minutes to run through Revenge of the Sith, if even that.
The original trilogy is much more watchable in that regard, although Jedi does have its wavering moments...
insaniak wrote: Meh, I still enjoy the prequels, but then I went into them not really expecting anything more than a cool special effects fest. And they deliver that in spades.
I found the fx not to hold up at all, and I can still watch the original King Kong and Godzilla without much concern; everything about them has aged very, very poorly in all departments; the acting and writing were awful to begin with, save Ewan McGregor.
Edit: I take that back, the music wasn't that bad.
Ahtman wrote: I haven't found to many that felt the prequels held up much beyond their childhood. I'm not saying they aren't out there, but I haven't run into them. The few I knew that liked Jar Jar et al when they were kids find the prequels painful to watch now.
Meh, I still enjoy the prequels, but then I went into them not really expecting anything more than a cool special effects fest. And they deliver that in spades.
Yes, the dialogue is corny (as was a lot of the original trilogy) and in some cases downright tragic (I love you because you're not like sand...) and the plot is somewhat swiss-cheese-like... but if you don't try to take them too seriously, they're a lot of fun.
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Piston Honda wrote: Still love the fight scene with Darth Maul, Obi Wan and qui gon jinn, I was recently told that the actor that played darth maul choreographed that fight scene,
Ray Park is a stuntman rather than an actor. That's why Darth Maul doesn't get to say very much . He also played the headless horseman in sleepy hollow (for the bits where he didn't have his head on) - no dialogue, and Toad in X-Men (who had, what, two lines?).
He's an outstanding martial artist, though. And yes, that fight still rocks.
Maul has like 2 lines, but they're redubbed by a different actor.
I actually like my idea though. That way when he turns to the dark side and has to be slain, Star Wars nerds everywhere can say that Luke Skywalker killed Justin Bieber. It would be a day to live in infamy.
I think Hans Zimmer could do some solid work that would be befitting of Star Wars. Just look at the soundtrack to Gladiator. It's a great example of his work outside of the stuff we've seen for Inception & TDK Trilogy.
There are loads of great composers out there that could bring a twist to the Williams formula. I think some music more befitting TDK Zimmer would suit a film focused around Boba Fett, perhaps even the guy that did the soundtrack for Elysium, Ryan Amon.
Somebody posted this up on youtube. Obviouly it's from The Dark Knight Rises, but I feel this kind of soundtrack would go well in a Fett focused film.
Gitzbitah wrote: It also serves as the antithesis of 'A New Hope'. There is a certain wonderful cycle here.
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Anyway ...
MoD raises a good point regarding Sith and lightsabers. Before Phantom Menace, lightsabers were Jedi weapons. The only Sith who had them were fallen Jedi. Darth Maul has a lightsaber for the sake of the fight scenes. Indeed, Darth Maul only exists because of the fight scenes. The Jedi/Sith lightsaber distinction of the Original Trilogy was one of a million subtle characterizations of the world of SW that got obliterated by the Search For More Money, a.k.a., the prequels and EU.
Frankly, the prequels entirely qualify as part of the EU.
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-Shrike- wrote: Well, the only other option would be Hans Zimmer.
You mean the guy who beats the pots and pans together for DC movies? That's not an option.
Well there were two Sith in the original trilogy. One used a sabre in two movies, the iconic two movies I'll add. Da Spazz Emprah using purple gak was new. I'd hardly say there was some subtle change there with the prequels.
I really hope they consider the prequels as part of the EU. Would be great if they took the Sith and Jedi back in different directions rather being two sides of the same coin.
I agree that Zimmers new style should be left off of the new films, but still think he could pull it off if he was directed as such.
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Still very interested in whatever this Boba Fett film turns out being. I'd love to see a more spaghetti western style film. The grime of Tatooine, with scenes and characters reminiscent of this one.
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One last thing that is fairly interesting. I'd never noticed this subtle character building that was done in Empire...
He hears Luke unholstering his blaster... Now it could be him just checking the corridor, but considering it happens just as Luke takes his blaster out I have to believe it!
I would have said Howard Shore for SW but his Hobbit scores have been a bit disappointing.
The test is, can you hum the theme a year or more after seeing the film?
I can hum a ton of themes from LotR but nothing from the Hobbit movies. And there's no humming a recent Zimmerman score. The closest I can get is throwing a trash can full of dinner plates down some stairs and then auto tuning the crash.
Manchu wrote: It's hard to figure out what you mean. Could you rephrase?
Sorry I was on a call at the same time.
In the original series there were two Sith bad guys. The one we saw and loved in the two first films used a saber, and there was no hint that that was out of place (only that the Sith themselves were out of place as part of a dead religion...) . The Jedi could do everything that the Bad Guy could do, and vice versa. It was only in ROTJ that a bad guy could do something different - of course we didn't know if Yoda or others could do such, or even if that purple gak was because of Da Schwartz.
So no, forget the EU or whatever, the prequels birthed many nightmares, but saber wielding Sith being wrong was not one of them.
We learned that Vader was a fallen Jedi before we saw him pull out a lightsaber. We heard no such thing about the Emperor and therefore were not surprised that he didn't have one. As Obi-Wan (in ANH) and the Emperor (in RotJ) both mention, a lightsaber is the weapon of a Jedi. So when we see the Emperor shoot lightning around, we can surmise he does so rather than using a lightsaber because he is not a Jedi. He also narrates the lightning trick as the power of the dark side, which is something Jedi in good standing don't mess with according to Yoda.
It also pays to remember that we did not know the Emperor was Sith until long after RotJ. In fact, we had no idea what "Dark Lord of the Sith" meant until the mid-90s (largely thanks to Dark Horse comics).
Battle of the Mutara Nebula is my favorite cue from any film score. Aliens also has some great cues (interestingly, it was extremely rushed). Not sure either qualify him to do SW, however. Plus it's been a long time since Wrath of Khan. Listen to the Avatar score.
Manchu wrote: We learned that Vader was a fallen Jedi before we saw him pull out a lightsaber. We heard no such thing about the Emperor and therefore were not surprised that he didn't have one. As Obi-Wan (in ANH) and the Emperor (in RotJ) both mention, a lightsaber is the weapon of a Jedi. So when we see the Emperor shoot lightning around, we can surmise he does so rather than using a lightsaber because he is not a Jedi. He also narrates the lightning trick as the power of the dark side, which is something Jedi in good standing don't mess with according to Yoda.
It also pays to remember that we did not know the Emperor was Sith until long after RotJ. In fact, we had no idea what "Dark Lord of the Sith" meant until the mid-90s (largely thanks to Dark Horse comics).
Well I can certainly say it surprised hell out of me when I saw it. Like the choking there's no reason to think he couldn't use a sword. But he's the emprah. he's got people for that. Interesting that Yoda didn't warn him about that...minor detail.
James Horner might be good. The soundtrack for Aliens, as Manchu said, had to be rushed out and it's simply one of the best action film soundtracks of all time... of all time.
Think you're being a bit harsh with the Auto-tuned trash comment there Manchu. His Gladiator score is divine!
Alan Silvestri has worked on The Avengers and is working on the next Avengers film. He might be in the running considering the Disney connection.
I'd actually like to see some collaberation between some big name composers to produce something new. It would be interesting to see Williams and Zimmer work together. It might be a complete disaster but it also might be a massive success.
The possibility of a Sith Theme with some added Zimmer makes me quite happy when you listen to some of the darker pieces that rumble along through the music in TDK Trilogy.
EDIT: Keep saying Zimmerman instead of Zimmer... facepalm.jpg also BINGO!
Manchu wrote: Not sure either qualify him to do SW, however.
I'm not saying that, just comparing him to Zimmer as far as establishing theme. With his vast catalog it isn't really a surprise that Horner would have some clunkers. I would like to hear someone new take a crack at adapting the Star Wars motif, from an audio standpoint, than get a retread of an entrenched composer I think.
I didn't see the Clone Wars either. I watched the original Genndy Tartakovsky series and watch the feature length episode of the Clone Wars, but didn't really enjoy it that much.
The only problem with trying to take a new spin on something that's already established is that it can go completely wrong.
Somewhat shooting my own argument in the foot, Hans Zimmers Superman theme was not the rousing, heroic piece that Williams produced.
Obviously Williams has a lot of recurring elements throughout his pieces, but they are genuinely memorable.
ET, JAWS, Star Wars, Superman, Indiana Jones, Jurassic Park. Surely most people will be able to hum along to at least one of the musical elements in each of those films.
Manchu wrote: I mean the CGI ones, not the Samurai Jack ones.
The CGI ones are on balance pretty outstanding (although there are problems, too) and superior in just about every way to the prequels.
Can't agree more. Once you get past the animation (and for clone/droid/space scenes with no faces even this isn't an issue) then the writing and stories are incredible. The film, I admit, was poor in comparison, but the series is waaay ahread, especially series 4-5 (not seen 6 yet, waiting for a non-Netflix release if that ever happens). The return of Darth Maul did so much more justice to the character than the films did, as did the use of General Grevious.
And the "film" is okay once you watch it like what it is, a few episodes edited together. Trying to watch it from start to finish requires the "okay, I am going to binge on this show" mentality, which is not what people are expecting due to the movie packaging. Bad choice on Lucas's part but add it to the pile I guess.
Manchu wrote: Did you really not watch the Clone Wars?
I did not. The prequels killed much of any love I had for the series. I understand they are better, but the damage has been done; I am dead inside now.
Manchu wrote: And the "film" is okay once you watch it like what it is, a few episodes edited together. Trying to watch it from start to finish requires the "okay, I am going to binge on this show" mentality, which is not what people are expecting due to the movie packaging. Bad choice on Lucas's part but add it to the pile I guess.
Binging CW is something I'm all too familliar with, but I do find that watching the film again highlighted how much better things get later on. Ashoka goes from annoying (in the film) to a good character (by series 2+), the greater focus on Clones in the series was great, and the writing just generally feels better. I also didn't like the baby-Hutt, which might have a lot to do with it.
It's certainly no worse than episodes 1-3, just not as good as the series in my opinion.
Manchu wrote: Did you really not watch the Clone Wars?
I did not. The prequels killed much of any love I had for the series. I understand they are better, but the damage has been done; I am dead inside now.
Manchu wrote: Did you really not watch the Clone Wars?
I did not. The prequels killed much of any love I had for the series. I understand they are better, but the damage has been done; I am dead inside now.
Though I'm surprised there hasn't been a female Fett.... I know that Jango was the original, and that Boba was a clone..... but you wouldn't think it would be beyond the scope of cloning technology to make a female one too.
Though I'm surprised there hasn't been a female Fett.... I know that Jango was the original, and that Boba was a clone..... but you wouldn't think it would be beyond the scope of cloning technology to make a female one too.
A female clone of a male doner isn't possible I think. At the very least, it wouldnt be a clone. It would just be a test tube baby with 2 identicle X chromosomes.
You'd need another x chromosome to make a stable pair, and then you just have a normal human.
Knockagh wrote: Whats the animosity towards boob plates? They are pretty slick, think SOB or the princess. Great asset protectors!
In a setting like 40k, where it's all over the top, not much is wrong with Boob plates.
But they are terrible at protecting you (it slants TOWARDS the center mass, meaning ricochets go there), and if you fall on them they go straight into your ribcage, most likely killing the female in the process.
kronk wrote: "I hope we get another 15 minute pod race!"
Said no one, ever.
I'm no prequel apologist, but the Pod race was one of the Phantom Menace's few redeeming sequences. It was also one of the few scenes that wasn't recycled from the original trilogy.
That said, I don't need to see another one, so yes, I guess I concur with the sentiment.
kronk wrote: "I hope we get another 15 minute pod race!"
Said no one, ever.
I'm no prequel apologist, but the Pod race was one of the Phantom Menace's few redeeming sequences. It was also one of the few scenes that wasn't recycled from the original trilogy.
I can respect that. Different strokes for different folks.
d-usa wrote: You just like Ben Hur because you were an extra...
No, he was an actual Roman.
I AM SAYING THAT FRAZZ IS SO OLD THAT HE MET AND KILLED THE FICTIONAL CHARACTER BEN HUR!
kronk wrote: "I hope we get another 15 minute pod race!"
Said no one, ever.
I'm no prequel apologist, but the Pod race was one of the Phantom Menace's few redeeming sequences. It was also one of the few scenes that wasn't recycled from the original trilogy.
That said, I don't need to see another one, so yes, I guess I concur with the sentiment.
I loved that scene when I was younger. Now I've grown up (a bit ) I can't stand Anakin's voice. Everything else in that scene is cool, but if I could just cut out Anakin's dialogue, it would be so much better.
d-usa wrote: You just like Ben Hur because you were an extra...
I was the third horse, to the left.
EDIT: the only time we should see Tatooine is if: 1. Fremen appear riding freaking sandworms and start wasting the galaxy. 2. Someone glasses the planet exterminatus style.
Medium of Death wrote: I wonder if we'll get some Sand People time. See them beyond the shrieking monsters they were made out to be.
*snip*
You see a decent amount of them in Episode 2.
True, but it is them being murdered and if I can believe in the slim chance that they are ignoring the prequels then it won't count.
I'd like to know why they don't really like the others on Tatooine. I have to imagine it's something to do with the land being sacred and that they are trespassing as described in the first KOTOR game.
Flashman wrote: the Pod race was one of the Phantom Menace's few redeeming sequences
Disagree. As a plot device, it established Anakin as a Mary Sue. As spectacle, it was a lot of the same images and shots again and again. The N64 pod racing game was prettier.
Medium of Death wrote: I'm getting horrible Phantom Menace flashbacks seeing that market.
Same here! Hopefully this is misdirection.
d-usa wrote: You just like Ben Hur because you were an extra...
Playing himself no less. Or did we already do a Frazzled is old joke?
During the Clone Wars cgi series, several times clones get shot and not killed thanks to their armor. Mos tof the time, they aren;t even central clones.
However, their are many more times they get shot and die/put out of action.
Dangit, you ninjaed me. I was just getting ready to post this news up.
I'm pretty excited to see what Gwendoline Christie and Lupita Nyong'o will bring to the screen. Maybe Gwendoline will be cast as an antagonist? She can be quite imposing as Brienne.
How does that work? Light has momentum (and thus mass), but it does not have rest mass, and would be much too small in any case (photons are smaller than electrons).
Co'tor Shas wrote: How does that work? Light has momentum (and thus mass), but it does not have rest mass, and would be much too small in any case (photons are smaller than electrons).
My own personal explanation of this (backed up in some places of the fluff, which we all know is inconsistent) is that 'laser' is simply a catch-all term for energy weapon, and most 'lasers' are actually 'plasma' weapons.
Clone Trooper DC-15/DC-17 rifles are explicitly stated in some sources to fire plasma, which makes sense given that the 'laser' bolt is neither a consistent beam nor flies at anywhere near the speed of light, so I figure that if it is plasma, not laser, then that's unbonded protons and electons rather than photons, which might explain it.
Lasers would be the things like the ball turrets on LAAT gunships and IFX/T tanks, a continuous beam that connects almost instantly to the naked eye.
That said, this is a franchise where FTL travel is used to fly across interstellar distances to hit people with swords. I wouldn't over-analyse anything too much.
Co'tor Shas wrote: How does that work? Light has momentum (and thus mass), but it does not have rest mass, and would be much too small in any case (photons are smaller than electrons).
My own personal explanation of this (backed up in some places of the fluff, which we all know is inconsistent) is that 'laser' is simply a catch-all term for energy weapon, and most 'lasers' are actually 'plasma' weapons.
Clone Trooper DC-15/DC-17 rifles are explicitly stated in some sources to fire plasma, which makes sense given that the 'laser' bolt is neither a consistent beam nor flies at anywhere near the speed of light, so I figure that if it is plasma, not laser, then that's unbonded protons and electons rather than photons, which might explain it.
Lasers would be the things like the ball turrets on LAAT gunships and IFX/T tanks, a continuous beam that connects almost instantly to the naked eye.
That said, this is a franchise where FTL travel is used to fly across interstellar distances to hit people with swords. I wouldn't over-analyse anything too much.
I guess that makes sense. I have always been irritated by people dodging lasers.
Co'tor Shas wrote: How does that work? Light has momentum (and thus mass), but it does not have rest mass, and would be much too small in any case (photons are smaller than electrons).
Because Blasters are not laser weapons. They fire bolts of plasma(which does have mass)
And even if they didn't, the localized explosion caused by the heat vaporizing the area it hit would still cause the application of some kinetic force. the same reason an egg explodes if you microwave it.
It is definitely moving forward, its to be set 30 odd years on from ROTJ. The xwing I have seen looks sharper at the front, I wonder if its supposed to be a newer model, or it could be luke's personal X-wing he has kept.
The Falcon was obviously going to appear as it features the Solo's, Han and The Falcon are like Han and Chewie, they come as a package. I get the feeling people are getting too worked up about it being a re-boot when its in fact just the new kids having their own adventures but the old gand still have their old 'cars' Like a dad with a classic he kept for ever.
Stoked about real sets being made in the soundstages.
That's not an X-Wing, Frazz. The nose is too short, and X-wings have intakes on both of their wings, not one large intake. It looks like someone took an X-wing and advanced it. Their wings also meet flush not the one blaster in front, one behind overlap that this ship displays.
Good catch! I didn't look too closely until you said something. That is very big news indeed, much larger than the Ubiquitous Falcon!
Gitzbitah wrote: That's not an X-Wing, Frazz. The nose is too short, and X-wings have intakes on both of their wings, not one large intake. It looks like someone took an X-wing and advanced it. Their wings also meet flush not the one blaster in front, one behind overlap that this ship displays.
That new ship (the X-Wing Mk.II?) looks pretty cool actually, it follows the same lines as the X-Wing whilst being notably more advanced.
Gitzbitah wrote: That's not an X-Wing, Frazz. The nose is too short, and X-wings have intakes on both of their wings, not one large intake. It looks like someone took an X-wing and advanced it. Their wings also meet flush not the one blaster in front, one behind overlap that this ship displays.
Good catch! I didn't look too closely until you said something. That is very big news indeed, much larger than the Ubiquitous Falcon!
X wings had one round intake that split when the wings split. Its an X wing. It may not be 1976 X Wing but its an X wing.
However, as you note it may be X Wing 2.0 or someone's old jallopy brought out (I like that idea, the old guys keep their old cool rides). I hope you're right.
In addition to the episodes of a new Star Wars trilogy, Lucasfilm and Disney continue development of multiple stand-alone movies that will offer new stories beyond the core Saga. The newest director to come on board is Josh Trank.
"We're thrilled to welcome Josh into the family," says Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy. "He is such an incredible talent and has a great imagination and sense of innovation. That makes him perfectly suited to Star Wars, and for this new slate of movies that reach beyond the core characters and storylines of Episodes I through IX."
Trank states, "The magic of the Star Wars Universe defined my entire childhood. The opportunity to expand on that experience for future generations is the most incredible dream of all time."
Trank captured imaginations worldwide with his critically lauded directorial debut Chronicle, a fresh and engaging take on the superhero genre. Trank is currently at work on The Fantastic Four for 20th Century Fox.
Gitzbitah wrote: That's not an X-Wing, Frazz. The nose is too short, and X-wings have intakes on both of their wings, not one large intake. It looks like someone took an X-wing and advanced it. Their wings also meet flush not the one blaster in front, one behind overlap that this ship displays.
Good catch! I didn't look too closely until you said something. That is very big news indeed, much larger than the Ubiquitous Falcon!
X wings had one round intake that split when the wings split. Its an X wing. It may not be 1976 X Wing but its an X wing.
However, as you note it may be X Wing 2.0 or someone's old jallopy brought out (I like that idea, the old guys keep their old cool rides). I hope you're right.
Xwings had an intake on each wing. The pre-production artwork by Ralph McQuarrie showed one intake which split in two, but the actual models had two seperate intakes on each side. The pre-production artwork has since been retconned into the Z-95 Headhunter, which is the precursor ship to the X-wing in the SW universe. So this prop they've worked up looks like a Z-95 (engine intakes, short nose length) had sex with an X-wing (canopy window shape, design of the guns) and this was the result.
I enjoyed the two Star Trek films, so I had no issue with Abrams being on this film anyway, but its also nice to see he has a sense of humour about the leaks and not shutting it all down, getting angsty with the fans.
Makes sense. If this works for him it's bank. He'll officially be the go-to director for the two largest sci-fi brands. That's pretty crazy huge.
And yeah, i liked the new Star Treks so I'm happy to see him on this too. It might not be deep but it'll be a fun movie. Which is pretty much most of what I want from my action/sci-fi films.
He kept a tight lid on Star Trek. But there have been many Star Treks so I think it was more important to keep "his interpretation" secret.
I'm hoping that being so open with his leaks shows that there is a healthy respect to the source material and an acknowledgement that the fan base is worried.
Badass Digest claims to have details about the plot of Episode VII, and, if true, it's going to have a ridiculous MacGuffin. So, spoilers if you chose to read on.
Let's preface this with the standard disclaimer: This could all be fake, so take everything with an entire box of Morton's kosher salt.
According to the article, the thing that sets the whole plot in motion is: Luke Skywalker's hand and lightsaber from The Empire Strikes Back. The hand's apparently been chilling in space for a few decades and now is falling to a desert planet.
There, the new heroes of the trilogy find it: Daisy Ridley and John Boyega. The two decide to return it — it's unclear if "it" is just the lightsaber or the hand and the lightsaber — to the proper people. They run into Han and Chewie, who recognize it as Luke's, but they haven't seen him since Return of the Jedi. Which, seriously? They haven't seen Luke in 30 years?
I really hope they ditch the hand and just keep the lightsaber, otherwise this is A) going to be unintentionally hilarious and B) be very reminiscent of Doctor Who. So the whole quest of the film is a search for Luke.
Other details include an ice planet where evil people are building a weapon that can destroy whole solar systems. (Of all the things that survived the great EU purge, I was not expecting the Suncrusher to be one of them).
Badass Digest says the whole structure of Episode VII is intentionally designed to mimic that of A New Hope:
In many ways this plot of Episode VII is an echo of A New Hope. Instead of R2 coming to Tatooine it's a hand falling from the sky, but the basic sweep of the story is similar, and intentionally so. But things that seem familiar may not be as familiar as you think - don't assume that every ice or desert planet in the galaxy has already been visited, if you know what I'm saying.
The initial report was followed up by a second, clarifying article which stated that the sources of the first report have been reliable in the past. It also contained the detail that Boyega's character is a Stormtrooper who switches sides, which Badass Digest's Devin Faraci says is "the single most confirmed piece of news I've ever written about in terms of sheer volume of independent sources who agree." He also says that all the desert filming that people have assumed is Tatooine is actually a different planet.
soo ..... yeah
Quest to look for Luke/whomever I'm probably alright with ...
.... the rest .. well ...... we'll see I guess.
Didn't get Lynch to direct Episode VI so seems they've homaged Blue Velvet in VII then ?
LoL, someone is totally trolling. That sounds like a peculiar mix of Wall-E, and Star Wars. Plus, Hna was marrying Luke's sister, who he just discovered. Luke's not going to pull a Yoda without some serious impetus.
I would be more willing to believe a story about our Force sensitive street urchin mastering the Force, turning to evil, and accidentally unleashing the Sith, then attempting to help everyone else destroy them in order to redeem herself.
New X-wing looks pretty cool, I like the fact it's clearly a progression of the original in the same way that the ARC 170 was a predecessor of it or the Jedi Fighter was of the TIE fighter.
I have a feeling this will be like ROTS: Visually stunning and poorly written/performed.
Medium of Death wrote: Well that's a lot better looking than that market scene. Don't think it's wings will open though.
Still hoping that the hand thing is BS.
With the inclusion of that droid at the end we can assume they'll still be remaining Imperial forces. Perhaps get to see Star Destroyers again.
Assuming the New Republic keep a standing military, is there any reason they wouldn't assimilate Imperial ships and fleets rather than scuppering them? If the enemies are the remnant of the Empire, now functionally a rebel alliance (see what I did there?) that could be an interesting take on things.
Paradigm wrote: I have a feeling this will be like ROTS: Visually stunning and poorly written/performed.
So I'm not the only one dreading this new film?
No. I want to be excited, but I just can't be, given a) how sickeningly bad Into Darkness was, I don't want JJ killing Wars as well as Trek, and b) the prequels were poor and sold, so there's no reason for them to change the formula, which means we're going to get more jar-jar like antics and dialogue so cheesy it could give a Wave Serpent a run for its money.
On a side note, I'm also dreading Rebels. Everything so far suggests it's going to be a Disney-fied kid's series, which Clone Wars really wasn't, especially in the later series. I mean, a Mandalorian whose favourite past-time is doing graffiti on Imperial property? Really?
Paradigm wrote: New X-wing looks pretty cool, I like the fact it's clearly a progression of the original in the same way that the ARC 170 was a predecessor of it or the Jedi Fighter was of the TIE fighter.
I have a feeling this will be like ROTS: Visually stunning and poorly written/performed.
Kanluwen wrote: I can't help but wonder if the reason he's saying "The new X-Wing" is just because it is going to fill the same 'slot' so to speak.
Because that clearly is a Z95 Headhunter.
That's what I was thinking. If that's not a Z-95, then I don't know what is.
Z-95's only have one Laser per wing.
See, I didn't watch the video. I was busy doing other stuff so didn't want to watch the video.
From the image on the 'front' of the video it looked like just a single laser set into the side of the wings not a double.
That design matches the "improved" X-Wing description from "The New Rebellion" though.
Kanluwen wrote: I can't help but wonder if the reason he's saying "The new X-Wing" is just because it is going to fill the same 'slot' so to speak.
Because that clearly is a Z95 Headhunter.
That's what I was thinking. If that's not a Z-95, then I don't know what is.
Z-95's only have one Laser per wing.
See, I didn't watch the video. I was busy doing other stuff so didn't want to watch the video. From the image on the 'front' of the video it looked like just a single laser set into the side of the wings not a double.
That design matches the "improved" X-Wing description from "The New Rebellion" though.
I thought so at first, too. Towards the end it zooms out and shows the near wing clearer and that it has 2 lasers. I hadn't seen the picture Compel shows, however, so I got really excited for seeing a Headhunter.
But yeah, it really does look like the design described in New Rebellion.
1) I quite liked Darkness
2) The hand thing is ridiculous but I have faith that this won't totally suck since it's not Lucas. And if I watched those god awful prequels in theatres I can at least sit through this. Since Abrams at least makes fun movies (to me).
The best thing about the originals, in my opinion was the lack of CGI. Its the same reason I like the original Planet of the Apes etc etc. I personally feel like movies that reduce CGI have a longer life span than CGI heavy ones and turn out to be pretty good.
So im very excited to see this movie have sets and model aircraft etc. I personally hope they rely a lot on these sets and models to keep things looking somewhat real.
This is my second time actually looking at these rumors, but does anyone have a good link to a site which has all the rumors etc and updates of the film so far?
I can feel my enjoyment of the Star Wars Trilogy coming back to me again...
Disney won't be releasing the original trilogy on blu-ray BEFORE 2020 - and that's only if Fox lets them have epIV (Fox retains the film rights to 4-5-6 until 2020 - and 4 for perpetuity - or until they wish to dispose of them).
A new SW movie without the fox fanfare won't be the same. Saying that, though - it's pretty certain that these new ones ALSO won't have the disney logo (not if the marvel crapola* is anything to go by. They are also wholly owned by da mouse, after all).
*no, I'm not a fan of marvel movies (or DC for the most part) - apart from the first two BLADE movies.
Troy wrote: The top one looks less like stormtrooper helmet and more like a ski helmet for some reason.
I guess this answers the question of will there be stormtroopers. Then the question arises, why are there stormtroopers?
Well, the rumor is that...
Spoiler:
...in the new canon, the Empire never completely collapsed after the destruction of the second Death Star. There is no New Republic.
I think that might be a fairly realistic take. A galaxy is a big place, and if you figure that Palpatine installed handpicked regional governors all over, it could take a very long time to eliminate all those pockets of the Empire.
Seems far more reasonable than all those very ambitious and ruthless leaders suddenly forgetting how to do anything and throwing in the towel until a blue dude shows up and shows them what's up.
I mean, wasn't Endor every ship the Rebellion could scrape together while it was maybe a 10th of the imperial fleet? It's been a long time so I can't remember the cannon numbers.
Hulksmash wrote: Seems far more reasonable than all those very ambitious and ruthless leaders suddenly forgetting how to do anything and throwing in the towel until a blue dude shows up and shows them what's up.
I mean, wasn't Endor every ship the Rebellion could scrape together while it was maybe a 10th of the imperial fleet? It's been a long time so I can't remember the cannon numbers.
As cool as the Thrawn series was, I also like the new idea more (if that's what is going on).
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Hulksmash wrote: Seems far more reasonable than all those very ambitious and ruthless leaders suddenly forgetting how to do anything and throwing in the towel until a blue dude shows up and shows them what's up.
I mean, wasn't Endor every ship the Rebellion could scrape together while it was maybe a 10th of the imperial fleet? It's been a long time so I can't remember the cannon numbers.
I never read much of the EU books other than the ones with the blue guy. But my impression was that the EU stuff kept scrambling to find new villains, most of whom were more-or-less recycled concepts from the original films. So rather than spend time digging up ex-Imperial Admirals or dark Jedi or Sith or whatever, why not just keep the original baddies around?
I also think that with the new approach -- if true -- they could bring in some interesting real-world themes and metaphors if they chose. The original trilogy didn't have much of that, but the prequel trilogy did, if in a simplistic, ham-handed way at times.
Just something to point out for the new X-Wing: Disney seem really focused on trying to more closely achieve Ralph McQuarrie's original concept art, both for ep VII and in Rebels. Compare the following concept art for the X-Wing to what we see in the Force for Change video:
That last picture makes me insanely happy. As much as Lucas did cool things with CGI sets in the prequels, it's awesome to see actual, physical things.
Co'tor Shas wrote: Does anybody know if the story is based on Lucas's idea for where it was going to go.
Last I heard, Lucas had spent the last 10 years or so denying that there were ever any plans to go past RotJ.
There were vague, ancient rumours about it originally being planned as a 9-part series, but that was way before he even started on the prequels. Once it became all about Vader, RotJ was the 'end' of the story so far as Lucas was concerned.
Lucas wrote a lot of material, including some scattered stuff for events beyond Return of the Jedi, but nothing as concrete as a storyboard or screenplay or anything- just notes.
And no, the writing for this movie, from the characters to the plot, is completely indepedent of any of Lucas' ideas for a sequel trilogy.
Going by all the "Making of..." documentaries of the original trilogy it was the cast and other directors that made the movies what they were. He has good ideas (sometimes) but the man can't write for gak. I'm fine with Lucas having little to do with the new ones.
Ahtman wrote: Going by all the "Making of..." documentaries of the original trilogy it was the cast and other directors that made the movies what they were. He has good ideas (sometimes) but the man can't write for gak. I'm fine with Lucas having little to do with the new ones.
I think Lucas' strength is probably more as a producer, rather than a director. The prequel trilogy probably would have been significantly better if he had just been more of a general idea man and producer and allowed someone else to take the reigns and direct.
Conceptually, the prequel trilogy wasn't bad. The overarching idea that the Republic BECAME the Empire through Sith manipulation is something that I think most fans kinda understood, but maybe hadn't fully thought through. And obviously there was TONS of potential in Anakin's Skywalker's fall from grace. The ideas were there for some kick-*** films, they just didn't materialize through horrid execution.
Although to be fair, I think the prequels merely picked up where RotJ left off...bad dialogue, wooden acting, shameless merchandising to children, etc.
His Gladiator score is divine!
