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 Ahtman wrote:
I haven't found to many that felt the prequels held up much beyond their childhood. I'm not saying they aren't out there, but I haven't run into them. The few I knew that liked Jar Jar et al when they were kids find the prequels painful to watch now.

Meh, I still enjoy the prequels, but then I went into them not really expecting anything more than a cool special effects fest. And they deliver that in spades.

Yes, the dialogue is corny (as was a lot of the original trilogy) and in some cases downright tragic (I love you because you're not like sand...) and the plot is somewhat swiss-cheese-like... but if you don't try to take them too seriously, they're a lot of fun.


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 Piston Honda wrote:
Still love the fight scene with Darth Maul, Obi Wan and qui gon jinn, I was recently told that the actor that played darth maul choreographed that fight scene,

Ray Park is a stuntman rather than an actor. That's why Darth Maul doesn't get to say very much . He also played the headless horseman in sleepy hollow (for the bits where he didn't have his head on) - no dialogue, and Toad in X-Men (who had, what, two lines?).

He's an outstanding martial artist, though. And yes, that fight still rocks.

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You can certainly watch the prequels, but I find myself skipping through the films rather than watching the full thing. Takes me about 30 minutes to run through Revenge of the Sith, if even that.

The original trilogy is much more watchable in that regard, although Jedi does have its wavering moments...

   
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This is my favourite part of The Phantom Menace.




And that's not just a snarky remark about it being the ending.

The other part of it.

That song, is The Emperor's Theme Tune.
   
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 insaniak wrote:
Meh, I still enjoy the prequels, but then I went into them not really expecting anything more than a cool special effects fest. And they deliver that in spades.


I found the fx not to hold up at all, and I can still watch the original King Kong and Godzilla without much concern; everything about them has aged very, very poorly in all departments; the acting and writing were awful to begin with, save Ewan McGregor.

Edit: I take that back, the music wasn't that bad.

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I think John Williams is probably the most consistent thing throughout the series.

Is he on board for Episode 7?

   
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 insaniak wrote:
 Ahtman wrote:
I haven't found to many that felt the prequels held up much beyond their childhood. I'm not saying they aren't out there, but I haven't run into them. The few I knew that liked Jar Jar et al when they were kids find the prequels painful to watch now.

Meh, I still enjoy the prequels, but then I went into them not really expecting anything more than a cool special effects fest. And they deliver that in spades.

Yes, the dialogue is corny (as was a lot of the original trilogy) and in some cases downright tragic (I love you because you're not like sand...) and the plot is somewhat swiss-cheese-like... but if you don't try to take them too seriously, they're a lot of fun.


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 Piston Honda wrote:
Still love the fight scene with Darth Maul, Obi Wan and qui gon jinn, I was recently told that the actor that played darth maul choreographed that fight scene,

Ray Park is a stuntman rather than an actor. That's why Darth Maul doesn't get to say very much . He also played the headless horseman in sleepy hollow (for the bits where he didn't have his head on) - no dialogue, and Toad in X-Men (who had, what, two lines?).

He's an outstanding martial artist, though. And yes, that fight still rocks.


Maul has like 2 lines, but they're redubbed by a different actor.

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They liked the new Tron movie, so Daft Punk are doing the score for E7.
   
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 d-usa wrote:
They liked the new Tron movie, so Daft Punk are doing the score for E7.


Please...

Please tell me you're joking.

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 Platuan4th wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
They liked the new Tron movie, so Daft Punk are doing the score for E7.


Please...

Please tell me you're joking.


John Williams is indeed back for Episode 7... though he's currently 82, so not sure he'll be around for Episodes 8 and 9 as well.

   
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Well, the only other option would be Hans Zimmer. Nobody else could replace John Williams.

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See, I'm not a fan of Hans Zimmer most of the time.

A lot of his music is just some bass rumbling with the occasional 'duh daaaah.'

It really would not surprise me that John Williams has a protege or two that he'll pass the torch on to.
   
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So why is there so much rage over Jacen Solo casting?

Granted he is not the greatest actor ever, but he is far better than some of the other people who were rumored to take the part.

 
   
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We should have had Justin Bieber play Jacen.

*runs from the entirety of Dakka chasing me with torches, pitchforks, and whippy sticks.

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 timetowaste85 wrote:
We should have had Justin Bieber play Jacen.

*runs from the entirety of Dakka chasing me with torches, pitchforks, and whippy sticks.


God choice, if he was younger and Disney had bought the rights earlier, JB could have played Aniken in the remake of EP1.



 
   
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 Piston Honda wrote:
So why is there so much rage over Jacen Solo casting?


We don't know the names of any characters in the film beyond those from the OT.

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really?

I thought it was confirmed Adam Driver was going to play Jacen Solo?

 
   
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I actually like my idea though. That way when he turns to the dark side and has to be slain, Star Wars nerds everywhere can say that Luke Skywalker killed Justin Bieber. It would be a day to live in infamy.

Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.

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Can you imagine Justin Bieber in Slave Leia's outfit?

Let that set in for a while.

 
   
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I think Hans Zimmer could do some solid work that would be befitting of Star Wars. Just look at the soundtrack to Gladiator. It's a great example of his work outside of the stuff we've seen for Inception & TDK Trilogy.

There are loads of great composers out there that could bring a twist to the Williams formula. I think some music more befitting TDK Zimmer would suit a film focused around Boba Fett, perhaps even the guy that did the soundtrack for Elysium, Ryan Amon.

Somebody posted this up on youtube. Obviouly it's from The Dark Knight Rises, but I feel this kind of soundtrack would go well in a Fett focused film.












   
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 Gitzbitah wrote:
It also serves as the antithesis of 'A New Hope'. There is a certain wonderful cycle here.
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Anyway ...

MoD raises a good point regarding Sith and lightsabers. Before Phantom Menace, lightsabers were Jedi weapons. The only Sith who had them were fallen Jedi. Darth Maul has a lightsaber for the sake of the fight scenes. Indeed, Darth Maul only exists because of the fight scenes. The Jedi/Sith lightsaber distinction of the Original Trilogy was one of a million subtle characterizations of the world of SW that got obliterated by the Search For More Money, a.k.a., the prequels and EU.

Frankly, the prequels entirely qualify as part of the EU.


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 -Shrike- wrote:
Well, the only other option would be Hans Zimmer.
You mean the guy who beats the pots and pans together for DC movies? That's not an option.

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Well there were two Sith in the original trilogy. One used a sabre in two movies, the iconic two movies I'll add. Da Spazz Emprah using purple gak was new. I'd hardly say there was some subtle change there with the prequels.

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It's hard to figure out what you mean. Could you rephrase?

   
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I really hope they consider the prequels as part of the EU. Would be great if they took the Sith and Jedi back in different directions rather being two sides of the same coin.

I agree that Zimmers new style should be left off of the new films, but still think he could pull it off if he was directed as such.

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Still very interested in whatever this Boba Fett film turns out being. I'd love to see a more spaghetti western style film. The grime of Tatooine, with scenes and characters reminiscent of this one.

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One last thing that is fairly interesting. I'd never noticed this subtle character building that was done in Empire...




He hears Luke unholstering his blaster... Now it could be him just checking the corridor, but considering it happens just as Luke takes his blaster out I have to believe it!

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SW scores are about themes.

Zimmerman scores are about volume of noise.

I would have said Howard Shore for SW but his Hobbit scores have been a bit disappointing.

The test is, can you hum the theme a year or more after seeing the film?

I can hum a ton of themes from LotR but nothing from the Hobbit movies. And there's no humming a recent Zimmerman score. The closest I can get is throwing a trash can full of dinner plates down some stairs and then auto tuning the crash.

   
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 Manchu wrote:
It's hard to figure out what you mean. Could you rephrase?

Sorry I was on a call at the same time.

In the original series there were two Sith bad guys. The one we saw and loved in the two first films used a saber, and there was no hint that that was out of place (only that the Sith themselves were out of place as part of a dead religion...) . The Jedi could do everything that the Bad Guy could do, and vice versa. It was only in ROTJ that a bad guy could do something different - of course we didn't know if Yoda or others could do such, or even if that purple gak was because of Da Schwartz.

So no, forget the EU or whatever, the prequels birthed many nightmares, but saber wielding Sith being wrong was not one of them.

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We learned that Vader was a fallen Jedi before we saw him pull out a lightsaber. We heard no such thing about the Emperor and therefore were not surprised that he didn't have one. As Obi-Wan (in ANH) and the Emperor (in RotJ) both mention, a lightsaber is the weapon of a Jedi. So when we see the Emperor shoot lightning around, we can surmise he does so rather than using a lightsaber because he is not a Jedi. He also narrates the lightning trick as the power of the dark side, which is something Jedi in good standing don't mess with according to Yoda.

It also pays to remember that we did not know the Emperor was Sith until long after RotJ. In fact, we had no idea what "Dark Lord of the Sith" meant until the mid-90s (largely thanks to Dark Horse comics).

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I would posit James Horner as a counterpoint to Zimmer.

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Battle of the Mutara Nebula is my favorite cue from any film score. Aliens also has some great cues (interestingly, it was extremely rushed). Not sure either qualify him to do SW, however. Plus it's been a long time since Wrath of Khan. Listen to the Avatar score.

   
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 Manchu wrote:
We learned that Vader was a fallen Jedi before we saw him pull out a lightsaber. We heard no such thing about the Emperor and therefore were not surprised that he didn't have one. As Obi-Wan (in ANH) and the Emperor (in RotJ) both mention, a lightsaber is the weapon of a Jedi. So when we see the Emperor shoot lightning around, we can surmise he does so rather than using a lightsaber because he is not a Jedi. He also narrates the lightning trick as the power of the dark side, which is something Jedi in good standing don't mess with according to Yoda.

It also pays to remember that we did not know the Emperor was Sith until long after RotJ. In fact, we had no idea what "Dark Lord of the Sith" meant until the mid-90s (largely thanks to Dark Horse comics).


Well I can certainly say it surprised hell out of me when I saw it.
Like the choking there's no reason to think he couldn't use a sword. But he's the emprah. he's got people for that.
Interesting that Yoda didn't warn him about that...minor detail.

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James Horner might be good. The soundtrack for Aliens, as Manchu said, had to be rushed out and it's simply one of the best action film soundtracks of all time... of all time.

Think you're being a bit harsh with the Auto-tuned trash comment there Manchu. His Gladiator score is divine!




Alan Silvestri has worked on The Avengers and is working on the next Avengers film. He might be in the running considering the Disney connection.

I'd actually like to see some collaberation between some big name composers to produce something new. It would be interesting to see Williams and Zimmer work together. It might be a complete disaster but it also might be a massive success.

The possibility of a Sith Theme with some added Zimmer makes me quite happy when you listen to some of the darker pieces that rumble along through the music in TDK Trilogy.

EDIT: Keep saying Zimmerman instead of Zimmer... facepalm.jpg also BINGO!

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