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As long as Ponda Boba get's his redemption, I'm fine with this turn of events. Poor walrus face!

It took a planet (moon) to kill Chewie. That's one tough Wookie.

Chewie is alive at the end of Episode 6, therefore he never died.

NEVER DIED!!!

Kronk, the dude in that meme picture looks uncannily like a guy I went to high school with. I don't think it actually is, but the resemblance is pretty striking.

I know it'll never happen because LIGHTSABER BATTLES ... but I'd like Jedi to go back to being mysterious, wise dudes who go around solving problems instead of LIGHTSABER BATTLING everything.

Plus retcon some of the 'we take kids from their parents when they are like three and train them to never ever feel emotion or have human connections because we are a creepy ass cult' vibe that the prequels gave them.


.... actually now that I think about it, I just want movies that don't completely revolve around a jedi. Make the jedi an ancillary character or something.

Palpatine....The Early Years

 LordofHats wrote:
It would actually be a decent time to put the origin of the Fett Solo rivalry on film, have Han be a supporting character for whoever the antagonist is who screws Fett over by dumb luck and starts a decades long feud

No, the EU is OUT. GONE. Shot twice in the head and dumped in a river.

They are not avoiding the EU by placing the film before Jedi. They are avoiding the EU by wiping it from (G level?) canon. The toilet's been flushed. Enjoy the clear air.

There is no more layered canon hierarchy.
No more G: canon, S canon, P, Q or V canon.

There will JUST be "canon".

Some of the old stuff might reappear with a new look - and THEN be canon (but only THAT iteration).

Leland Chee has been doing this shizz for over a decade, looking after canon. They're just making his job easier.

But then how will we know whether the Executor is 5 miles long or 11 miles long?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
But then how will we know whether the Executor is 5 miles long or 11 miles long?

Its as long as the Lusankya ... duh!

I think the EU does have its gems ... so killing it all does make me a bit sad. The X-Wing series, Republic Commandos, etc.
As for the movie, theres still plenty of possible settings and main characters to chose from. Ill be happy as long as we dont get any more of that slapstick Droid/Gungan crap and the world returns to its grimy original state where strarships dont get polished all day long ...

 Bromsy wrote:
I know it'll never happen because LIGHTSABER BATTLES ... but I'd like Jedi to go back to being mysterious, wise dudes who go around solving problems instead of LIGHTSABER BATTLING everything.

Plus retcon some of the 'we take kids from their parents when they are like three and train them to never ever feel emotion or have human connections because we are a creepy ass cult' vibe that the prequels gave them.


.... actually now that I think about it, I just want movies that don't completely revolve around a jedi. Make the jedi an ancillary character or something.

Agreed. SW movies were best when "jedi" were just one story among many. Less is more.
Star Wars - Jedi fight without a lot opf flash and of course "trust your feelings Luke"
TESB - some training and epic cool fight at the end but only one story of effectively three.
ROTJ - editing out the furbies and most of the movie is a 1930s serial action.

Lets go back to that.

Six movies? I'm pretty sure we all know that there are seven.



It's still canon, melon-fethers!

As canon as the Wookie short film?

Frankly, I find the existence of the truly deplorable films as more hopeful for the franchise than the wholesale removal of the EU. If a franchise can retain fans after producing material that bad, it will be able to survive JJ Abrams' tender touch.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

No, the EU is OUT. GONE. Shot twice in the head and dumped in a river.

It's not from the EU, it comes from the films production materials and commentaries. Though I guess it is never explicitly stated on screen XD

 djones520 wrote:
I find the Yhuuzan Vong hate interesting. That was actually where I started reading EU, and it's what got me hooked into it. It caused me to go back and read previous books because I wanted to know more about the characters.

And I'm not mad at Salvatore about killing Chewie. It wasn't his choice, he was told he had to do it.

For me, the YV bit (and basically everything after) was the 'jump the shark' moment for the EU. I could tolerate even some of the most extremely silly stuff they put out up to that point (like the never-ending parade of evil clones and the sudden existential one-time threat that was the Ssi-Ruuvi Imperium that everyone completely forgot about for the next 40 years until they popped up again for like 5 minutes during the YV invasion and then suddenly went back to being irrelevant and entirely forgotten again), because hey its a big galaxy and next to anything is possible I suppose, but the extragalactic invaders trope (besides being overdone) just doesn't fit. The concept of the YV and all that is too unrealistic and alien in a galaxy thats full of really weird unrealistic aliens, particularly a galaxy in which about 1/3rd of space is basically completely unexplored and therefore full of room for something more interesting and out there without being TOO out there.

Beyond that, in my (unprofessional opinion), Star Wars was up until that point this sort of epic saga of good ultimately prevailing over evil (keeping with GL's original vision), and a new generation atoning for the sins of their fathers and making the world (galaxy) a better place, etc. In my mind, Star Wars, had it continued on that path, would have become the foundation for a legitimate religious belief system within a few centuries (similar to what Scientology attempted to do but far less cult-like, and absolutely unintentionally (unlike Scientology)) and Star Wars would have become this true mythos along the lines of the Norse Sagas, the Kalevala, and ancient Greek mythology, to the point that if at some point in the future all mankind ceased to exist, then whatever intelligent lifeform that succeeded us might one day discover evidence of Star Wars and assume it was our own religious belief system. With the implementation of the YV (and everything thereafter) we once again plunge the Star Wars galaxy into a cycle of destruction and bloodshed, the galaxy goes from being GL's place of hope for a brighter future to this dark, decrepit, unforgiving place. The same mistakes that were made to lead the galaxy to the point it was at when A New Hope began are repeated again, the sins of the father that were paid for with the blood and sweat of their children are the same sins committed by their grandchildren. The New Hope that we promised with the Return of the Jedi is dashed away, the hope for a peaceful and happy future for the heroes who spent their entire lives fighting to make the world a better place is crushed, its undone.

Think about it, Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, Lando, etc. spend their entire youth, their entire adult lives basically fighting to bring peace, happiness, and freedom to the peoples of the galaxy. They spend 30 friggin years trying to do it, they grow to be old in the process, and though before the YV invasion it isn't perfect, its a better place than it was when Palpatine was running the show, that Hope is still there and within reach. By this point their old, they have been fighting for their WHOLE lives, and these are our heroes, we want them to be able to retire from the business, y'know? We want there to be some 'rest for the wicked', we went them to settle down, find happiness, love, live out the rest of their days in peace, and pass on into the next life knowing that they left the world better than it was when they entered it. What happens? Their best friend Chewie gets smashed by a friggin planet, Luke loses (yet another, he really gets the raw end of the stick a few times in the EU in this regard) his wife and love of his life, the Solos have one son turn into an absolute monster not unlike his grandfather and another son basically sacrifices himself to save everyone else, etc. This isn't the future they were promised, it wasn't what we want for them, it isn't what we hoped for, its not what anyone hoped for, and again just plunges what is supposed to be a hopeful, promising place, a hopeful promising future, right back into this cycle of death, darkness, and drudgery.

I will give the YV bit some credit though, it was really cool how they tied them into some previous loose ends (presuming they didnt have this planned out years in advance), even incorporating something as silly as The Great Heep into their history.

 chromedog wrote:
There is no more layered canon hierarchy.
No more G: canon, S canon, P, Q or V canon.

There will JUST be "canon".

Some of the old stuff might reappear with a new look - and THEN be canon (but only THAT iteration).

Leland Chee has been doing this shizz for over a decade, looking after canon. They're just making his job easier.

Debatable. I'd say they made his job irrelevant. What was the point of him being the keeper of the Holocron for all those years to meticulously record every name, character, event, object, location, etc. and to try to ensure internal consistency as best as possible and retcon any inconsistencies for all those years (and in the process forming the most consistent and complete mythos the world has possibly ever known) if they were just going to throw it out the window? They basically just killed part of what makes Star Wars Star Wars.

Also, I would say it was unnecessary. The important bits of the core characters story that Lucas wanted us to know has already been told via the films, and what wasn't in the films was told in the EU (much of it adapted from GL's own notes). Their story is over, but its a big galaxy, and while a lot of events are 'locked' in place by honoring the EU, there is still PLENTY of room to tell parallel stories of new characters working within the established framework. For all we know about Boba Fetts activities for example, there is still PLENTY of room to write new material about him within the timeline established by the EU. There is plenty of room to tell the story of entirely new characters - in parallel to the established EU - with the existing characters taking on more minor supporting roles, and still feature great storylines about major life-altering events that could have a major impact on the setting.

There are PLENTY of characters shown on screen or mentioned in EU sources that have PLENTY of room for expansion without stepping over established ground and which fans would LOVE to know more about, and could easily be tied into what only the casual Star Wars fan (read: only seen the movies) knows about the setting. Dash Rendar anyone? Boba Fett obviously... how about some more about Bossk or Dengar? Bib Fortuna? How bout some more about the Max Rebo Band? Ponda Baba?

And lets not forgot all the possible EU works that could have easily been adapted to film: Shadows of the Empire as a one-off (possibly room to make it a two-parter), the Thrawn trilogy, etc.

In my opinion, they are taking a completely wrong direction with their management and handling of the EU and the canon.

Honestly the issue for the EU is probably that its got a massive amount of material spread over 30+ years and the Disney guys are probably completely unaware of 90% of it. Rather than spend all their time catching up on all that material its insurmountably easier to just dump it all and move on.

Add in that the fan base has splintered 3 times in the last decade alone and you have a fanbase that is very bitter and divided over the current EU content.

The only tragedy for me, is that Darkhorse has lost their license. Besides being very successful in the Star Wars imo overall, it also means that they'll never freaking finish Legacy

IIRC, there are 8 films. Let's not forget the FUN that was The Clone Wars, as we watched monstrous caricatures of awful prequel trilogy characters waltz around the galaxy, saving Jabba the Hutt's son!

Well i dont think the EU could be any worse than half the crap that was put into the movies

With Lucasfilm, Disney also inherited many of Lucas's employees, including Leland Chee who is very much aware of ALL of it. If they were intelligent, they would have instead approached Chee to direct them to a good place to start with a film adaptation of something already published (like say Shadows of the Empire or the Thrawn trilogy) to buy themselves time (and some serious goodwill, JJ Abrams wouldn't mess something like that up) while he tracks down a GOOD screenwriter and briefs him on the setting and situation and advises him on whats good and what aint, and who would remain faithful to the canon and read through enough of it to comfortably write new screenplays that fit into the overall framework... instead they gave serious fans the finger and basically destroyed everything that a not insignificant amount of what the Star Wars fanbase knows and loves.

On the flip side, apparrently episode 7 will pick up around 34ABY, so its entirely possible that they're leaving most of the stuff up to around the YV issue intact... but I dont hold out much hope for it.

It also means that Marvel is writing Star Wars comics... they don't have a very good track record of maintaining continuity themselves....

 -Shrike- wrote:
IIRC, there are 8 films. Let's not forget the FUN that was The Clone Wars, as we watched monstrous caricatures of awful prequel trilogy characters waltz around the galaxy, saving Jabba the Hutt's son!

Don't just Clone Wars on the movie (which was admittedly poor). The rest of the series was waaay better than anything in the Prequels, and some arcs (Carnage of Krell, Return of Darth Maul, Domino Squad) are in my opinion as good story-wise as the Original Triligy

mitch_rifle wrote:Well i dont think the EU could be any worse than half the crap that was put into the movies

You would be wrong. So painfully wrong. Some of it was better, to be sure, but a lot of it was also just incredibly horrible.

chaos0xomega wrote:They basically just killed part of what makes Star Wars Star Wars.

They killed the part of Star Wars that made people think there was something wrong with Star Wars fans, and justifiably so. It was also the completely unnecessary part of the Star Wars universe. Sure some of it was fun, but was still basically pre-internet fan faction for the most part.

chaos0xomega wrote:If they were intelligent, they would have instead approached Chee to direct them to a good place to start

Or they could take control and forge their own path. If he had any special insight he should have shared it with Lucas during the prequels. Instead he debates the number of toes on Yoda. If he was going to create content instead of catalog it he could have done so a long time ago. Still:

After The Walt Disney Company's acquisition of Lucasfilm, Chee was assigned a job within the newly formed Lucasfilm Story Group, whose main purpose is to eliminate the Star Wars franchise's current canon hierarchy and create one cohesive canon.

Outside of KotOR 1/2 (and the background fluff that makes up that setting), the Thrawn Trilogy and Duology, and maybe a handful of other works there is really nothing of value in the EU. Sadly, most of it is just a rehash of the OT and lacks any real imagination or creativity. The Vong had potential, but poor writing kept that series from being great.

 Ahtman wrote:

mitch_rifle wrote:Well i dont think the EU could be any worse than half the crap that was put into the movies

You would be wrong. So painfully wrong. Some of it was better, to be sure, but a lot of it was also just incredibly horrible.

Your opinion.

chaos0xomega wrote:They basically just killed part of what makes Star Wars Star Wars.

They killed the part of Star Wars that made people think there was something wrong with Star Wars fans, and justifiably so. It was also the completely unnecessary part of the Star Wars universe. Sure some of it was fun, but was still basically pre-internet fan faction for the most part.

What do you mean 'wrong with Star Wars fans'? And I disagree with the fact that it was completely unnecessary, without the EU material, Star Wars would literally just be three movies with a bunch of unexplained continuity gaps. As for fanfic, it was licensed, and a lot of the early works had guidance from GL himself.

chaos0xomega wrote:If they were intelligent, they would have instead approached Chee to direct them to a good place to start

Or they could take control and forge their own path. If he had any special insight he should have shared it with Lucas during the prequels. Instead he debates the number of toes on Yoda. If he was going to create content instead of catalog it he could have done so a long time ago. Still:

After The Walt Disney Company's acquisition of Lucasfilm, Chee was assigned a job within the newly formed Lucasfilm Story Group, whose main purpose is to eliminate the Star Wars franchise's current canon hierarchy and create one cohesive canon.

Right, they took Chee and are completely misusing all his skills and knowledge to destroy everything he knows, etc. instead of building upon it further. As for sharing it with Lucas during the prequels, I would argue that he did, given that those films really didn't tread too heavily on the established EU material, and in fact meshed with them fairly well.

Your opinion.

It's a pretty decent one. Mara Jade? Awesome. Thrawn? Awesome. Darth Bane? Super awesome.

Constant clones of the Emperor? Lame. Constant attempts by writers to turn Palpatine into the misunderstood hero? Creepy. Constant stream of Mary Sue characters? Typical of Star Wars' fan fiction writing quality and constant bickering between it's content makers. I think you wrote a decent, if lengthy, bit on why the Vong just don't fit well into Star Wars but they're there now.

There's great stuff in the EU, but there's a lot of trash too. One of the major reasons Knights of the Old Republic caught on so well with fans, was because it completely detached itself from so many of the story elements many fans came to hate in the ABY timeline (it's why Drew Karpyshyn wrote in that time period, because he wanted to avoid all of that stuff).

What do you mean 'wrong with Star Wars fans'? And I disagree with the fact that it was completely unnecessary, without the EU material, Star Wars would literally just be three movies with a bunch of unexplained continuity gaps. As for fanfic, it was licensed, and a lot of the early works had guidance from GL himself.

It's not really a secret that huge sections of the Star Wars fan base hates George Lucas (and that George Lucas hates his fans). Why do they hate George Lucas? No one really knows, unless they're a Star Wars fan and are aware of his constant interference and screwing with EU material that fans are attached to.

It made fans seem baffling and crazy to people who weren't that dedicated.

Personally out of the EU I'd like to see a Darth Bane trilogy but it has to sell to the general public and after TDKR it'd be harder to sell

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
Personally out of the EU I'd like to see a Darth Bane trilogy but it has to sell to the general public and after TDKR it'd be harder to sell

There's room for it, as the Prequels did establish Bane as the originator of the Rule of Two on film.

 Sturmtruppen wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
I actually disliked everything in the EU.

But... but... the Republic Commando game is technically in the EU

P.S. Whenever we're talking about Star Wars rather than politics, I need to keep reminding myself that EU doesn't mean European Union in the context.

Yeah, that confused me too!

 LordofHats wrote:

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
Personally out of the EU I'd like to see a Darth Bane trilogy but it has to sell to the general public and after TDKR it'd be harder to sell

There's room for it, as the Prequels did establish Bane as the originator of the Rule of Two on film.

It's just non-SW fans may think it's a bit of a rip-off of TDKR because that Bane was very (in)famous

I don't know what all the hate on Yuuzhen Vong is, in the comic series 'Invasion' They are AWESOME. Seriously. Read it.

I dislike most of the star wars Novels. But I love the comics. I was kinda hoping the new trilogy would be about Cade Skywalker. But alas, it seems not to be.

And yes Boba Fett is alive. His armor protected him from the Sarlacc (Well what do you expect, it's Mando Iron) And I know he lived to be at least 70.

I'm actually hoping it'll be Yuuzhen vong as the baddies. Beating up Imps has been done. As well as Battle droids.

It could have also been good if they had done a Old Republic trilogy. Like Mando wars and all that stuff