TiamatRoar wrote:
Didn't the latest Sisters codex sell surprisingly well? It was at the top of the best seller list for a while, even (which normally isn't saying much but I'd think that's impressive for a niche gaming codex)

I always found the "There are modelling issues" thing from GW to be a rather dubious excuse. What's so different about the sisters that makes them harder to cast than anything else? The boobs? (can't be that or else they'd have that same issue with daemonettes and certain dark Eldar)

Nonono, they just can not find a way to cover the sisters in enough fleur de lis AND skulls. You see, they have a minimum quota of skulls per model, but since the sisters are smaller and require some iconography of their own, they just can not find a good way to add enough skulls.

As to the suggestion of Azrael, I'm going to post this here. I heard a little tidbit that contradicts some information I posted earlier.

Next 3 releases are still Eldar, DA, Tzeentch.

I've now heard the DA Tac. Squad isn't coming with this release. (Which in no way means the release list has changed, the release dates do NOT change. If isn't coming it simply isn't coming.)

The Chaplain I heard about is also apparently going to be released separately rather than in a box set as I thought originally.

It was specifically titled a "Interrogator Chaplain" rather than just DA Chaplain ala the Blood Angel Libarian.

So as far as I know the release will just be a new Chaplain and Codex.

Release date May.

Huh. Well alright then.

Still a lot of conflicting stuff about whether or not the Eldar Codex is going to be a replacement. If it isn't, will the Dark Angels get their Codex replaced? If so, the only thing they're getting is a Chaplain? Sounds like the same kind of treatment Dark Eldar and Necrons got when they got their new 7th ed. Codices.

The most telling bit of info we'll get will be when the Codex Eldar: Craftworlds drops. If it replaces Codex: Eldar, then all bets are off as to what else could get replaced, and I'd be that the Dark Angels Codex would be next. I'm sure the'll rename it Codex Adeptus Astartes: Dark Angels, to fit with the Blood Angels one.

However, if the Codex Eldar: Craftworlds works ALONGSIDE Codex: Eldar, then it maintains that GW considers all 6th and 7th ed. Codices to be 'done', and therefore nothing might get replaced. This idea is already supported a bit by Khorne Daemonkin, where many entries were copy-pasted right out of the current Chaos Marine and Chaos Daemon Codices, even though Chaos Marines was one of the first of 6th ed to get the hardback treatment.

drbored wrote:
Huh. Well alright then.

Still a lot of conflicting stuff about whether or not the Eldar Codex is going to be a replacement. If it isn't, will the Dark Angels get their Codex replaced? If so, the only thing they're getting is a Chaplain? Sounds like the same kind of treatment Dark Eldar and Necrons got when they got their new 7th ed. Codices.

I heard it was a full new dex with a spotlight on the 5 major Craftworlds and some formations to represent some of their battle tactics. Whether the Craftworlds themselves will get anymore rules than that I don't know.

I heard new DA dex originally, but since this new tidbit I'm not 100%. I'm going to keep digging for new info.

drbored wrote:
Huh. Well alright then.

Still a lot of conflicting stuff about whether or not the Eldar Codex is going to be a replacement. If it isn't, will the Dark Angels get their Codex replaced? If so, the only thing they're getting is a Chaplain? Sounds like the same kind of treatment Dark Eldar and Necrons got when they got their new 7th ed. Codices.

The most telling bit of info we'll get will be when the Codex Eldar: Craftworlds drops. If it replaces Codex: Eldar, then all bets are off as to what else could get replaced, and I'd be that the Dark Angels Codex would be next. I'm sure the'll rename it Codex Adeptus Astartes: Dark Angels, to fit with the Blood Angels one.

However, if the Codex Eldar: Craftworlds works ALONGSIDE Codex: Eldar, then it maintains that GW considers all 6th and 7th ed. Codices to be 'done', and therefore nothing might get replaced. This idea is already supported a bit by Khorne Daemonkin, where many entries were copy-pasted right out of the current Chaos Marine and Chaos Daemon Codices, even though Chaos Marines was one of the first of 6th ed to get the hardback treatment.

You're aware the book has been taken off the site?

WhispererofTruth, you are my light in the darkness for Tzeentch rumors.

I... I want to believe that these extra discs of tzeentch and sorcerers are sitting here for a reason on my work bench.

 Brometheus wrote:
WhispererofTruth, you are my light in the darkness for Tzeentch rumors.

I... I want to believe that these extra discs of tzeentch and sorcerers are sitting here for a reason on my work bench.

Then you'll be a happy bunny this yr. Hehe bunny, Easter...

I'll show myself out.

 WhispererofTruth wrote:
As to the suggestion of Azrael, I'm going to post this here. I heard a little tidbit that contradicts some information I posted earlier.

Next 3 releases are still Eldar, DA, Tzeentch.

I've now heard the DA Tac. Squad isn't coming with this release. (Which in no way means the release list has changed, the release dates do NOT change. If isn't coming it simply isn't coming.)

The Chaplain I heard about is also apparently going to be released separately rather than in a box set as I thought originally.

It was specifically titled a "Interrogator Chaplain" rather than just DA Chaplain ala the Blood Angel Libarian.

So as far as I know the release will just be a new Chaplain and Codex.

Release date May.

Any idea when we will see the DA tactical box?

 Azreal13 wrote:

drbored wrote:
Huh. Well alright then.

Still a lot of conflicting stuff about whether or not the Eldar Codex is going to be a replacement. If it isn't, will the Dark Angels get their Codex replaced? If so, the only thing they're getting is a Chaplain? Sounds like the same kind of treatment Dark Eldar and Necrons got when they got their new 7th ed. Codices.

The most telling bit of info we'll get will be when the Codex Eldar: Craftworlds drops. If it replaces Codex: Eldar, then all bets are off as to what else could get replaced, and I'd be that the Dark Angels Codex would be next. I'm sure the'll rename it Codex Adeptus Astartes: Dark Angels, to fit with the Blood Angels one.

However, if the Codex Eldar: Craftworlds works ALONGSIDE Codex: Eldar, then it maintains that GW considers all 6th and 7th ed. Codices to be 'done', and therefore nothing might get replaced. This idea is already supported a bit by Khorne Daemonkin, where many entries were copy-pasted right out of the current Chaos Marine and Chaos Daemon Codices, even though Chaos Marines was one of the first of 6th ed to get the hardback treatment.

You're aware the book has been taken off the site?

I'm aware of that, and it certainly bodes well for the 'replacement' camp, but things have been taken off of the site before, only to reappear at random times.

I'm not entirely sure if this is right, but I think I found a working redirect for a Interrogator.

dark-angels-interrogator-chaplain

It changes ala the Skitarri and Eldar ones. Couldn't find one for a new codex though...

 WhispererofTruth wrote:

 Brometheus wrote:
WhispererofTruth, you are my light in the darkness for Tzeentch rumors.

I... I want to believe that these extra discs of tzeentch and sorcerers are sitting here for a reason on my work bench.

Then you'll be a happy bunny this yr. Hehe bunny, Easter...

I'll show myself out.

..........please don't. from where will I get my dreams of magic and hopes of new psychic power goodness?

 Brometheus wrote:

 WhispererofTruth wrote:

 Brometheus wrote:
WhispererofTruth, you are my light in the darkness for Tzeentch rumors.

I... I want to believe that these extra discs of tzeentch and sorcerers are sitting here for a reason on my work bench.

Then you'll be a happy bunny this yr. Hehe bunny, Easter...

I'll show myself out.

..........please don't. from where will I get my dreams of magic and hopes of new psychic power goodness?

Rumours are more complicated than a Rubic Cube. I mean Rubix. I'm always leaving mine out in the summer.

Edit: @Junior- No idea yet unfortunately.

 Bloodthirster wrote:
I'm not entirely sure if this is right, but I think I found a working redirect for a Interrogator.

dark-angels-interrogator-chaplain

It changes ala the Skitarri and Eldar ones. Couldn't find one for a new codex though...

This is news!

$ curl --head http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/dark-angels-interrogator-chaplain HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently Location: http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Dark-Angels-Interrogator-Chaplain

 WhispererofTruth wrote:
As to the suggestion of Azrael, I'm going to post this here. I heard a little tidbit that contradicts some information I posted earlier.

Next 3 releases are still Eldar, DA, Tzeentch.

I've now heard the DA Tac. Squad isn't coming with this release. (Which in no way means the release list has changed, the release dates do NOT change. If isn't coming it simply isn't coming.)

The Chaplain I heard about is also apparently going to be released separately rather than in a box set as I thought originally.

It was specifically titled a "Interrogator Chaplain" rather than just DA Chaplain ala the Blood Angel Libarian.

So as far as I know the release will just be a new Chaplain and Codex.

Release date May.

somebody pm me to remind me about this?

Done

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 fox-light713 wrote:
The next big question is how much the RH TGG 2 kickstarter will effect the possibility of sob being released.

It's showing GW that there is demand, but the thing is, it only looks like $100k out of $500k (because there are 5 armies). Even if it was $250k or $400k that we could count as notSisters, that's probably not a big number to GW. Why, that barely covers a tender for one of Tom Kirby's yachts.

Even if it was the whole 600K that the first one brought it, that isn't even 1% of GW's yearly revenue.

I think people underestimate just how much money Games Workshop brings in, even when they are "declining". It's a lot of money. And in the end, they're going to prioritize their projects based on what they think will make the most money, not just "some money". They have a product where they need to prioritize how they sell it, and to what target segments. A lot of their game is seeing what kind of crossover they can get. Why are so many new Imperial factions released? Because Space Marines sell really well, so they can be a gateway drug to "Hey look, I should buy this new Knight model".

So when people make snarky comments about the how and why of Games Workshop's strategy on selling (or more accurately, not selling Sisters models, realize that they make those snarky comments because they don't really understand the intricacies of how a large retail business is run. Especially a publically traded one more concerned with bottom line than top line.

That said, honestly at this point I'd be fairly surprised if the Sisters don't at least get a handful of kits (probably multi-purpose affairs since they're fairly generic like Space Marines). The rate at which GW is churning out new products has really surprised me. The investment they made in hiring new design staff in 2013-14 has translated into quite a few releases. And it really looks like there has been a philosphy shift over there at GW. Which, for anyone who has worked for a large, established company, you know how uncommon that can be.

axisofentropy wrote:

 Bloodthirster wrote:
I'm not entirely sure if this is right, but I think I found a working redirect for a Interrogator.

dark-angels-interrogator-chaplain

It changes ala the Skitarri and Eldar ones. Couldn't find one for a new codex though...

This is news!

$ curl --head http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/dark-angels-interrogator-chaplain HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently Location: http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Dark-Angels-Interrogator-Chaplain

If this holds true, they already have a mold cut for a Interrogator Chaplain from the DV Limited Edition box. I wouldn't put it past them to rerelease it as an individual model with a ramped up price.

 Whumbachumba wrote:

axisofentropy wrote:

 Bloodthirster wrote:
I'm not entirely sure if this is right, but I think I found a working redirect for a Interrogator.

dark-angels-interrogator-chaplain

It changes ala the Skitarri and Eldar ones. Couldn't find one for a new codex though...

This is news!

$ curl --head http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/dark-angels-interrogator-chaplain HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently Location: http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Dark-Angels-Interrogator-Chaplain

If this holds true, they already have a mold cut for a Interrogator Chaplain from the DV Limited Edition box. I wouldn't put it past them to rerelease it as an individual model with a ramped up price.

Ramped up price compared to what?

Unless it's a higher price than Dark Vengeance was, I can't really see how you could get a ramped up price...

Is there any actual rumors on the Tzeentch book, or are people just speculating because Nurgle and Khorne have gotten the love lately ?

 Bloodthirster wrote:
I'm not entirely sure if this is right, but I think I found a working redirect for a Interrogator.

dark-angels-interrogator-chaplain

It changes ala the Skitarri and Eldar ones. Couldn't find one for a new codex though...

Could be because they're just being rolled into the upcoming SM codex

 Kosake wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:
Didn't the latest Sisters codex sell surprisingly well? It was at the top of the best seller list for a while, even (which normally isn't saying much but I'd think that's impressive for a niche gaming codex)

I always found the "There are modelling issues" thing from GW to be a rather dubious excuse. What's so different about the sisters that makes them harder to cast than anything else? The boobs? (can't be that or else they'd have that same issue with daemonettes and certain dark Eldar)

Nonono, they just can not find a way to cover the sisters in enough fleur de lis AND skulls. You see, they have a minimum quota of skulls per model, but since the sisters are smaller and require some iconography of their own, they just can not find a good way to add enough skulls.

They should consider covering them in skulls then the skulls in Fleurs de lys.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Unless it's a higher price than Dark Vengeance was, I can't really see how you could get a ramped up price...

The standardly available chaplain model that is $16. I would imagine a new kit, whether completely new or a rerelease of Seraphicus, will be priced around $30 like the Sanguinary Priest kit.

i wonder if CSM is going to get an update with all of these god-specific supplements being thrown around the place

 adamsouza wrote:
Is there any actual rumors on the Tzeentch book, or are people just speculating because Nurgle and Khorne have gotten the love lately ?

There have been rumours of Tzeentch getting models. Hastings on warseer mentioned it during a long thread/post of what will be coming this year/early next.

 Jadenim wrote:

 Bloodthirster wrote:
I'm not entirely sure if this is right, but I think I found a working redirect for a Interrogator.

dark-angels-interrogator-chaplain

It changes ala the Skitarri and Eldar ones. Couldn't find one for a new codex though...

Could be because they're just being rolled into the upcoming SM codex

That could well be, or it could just be because the new dex. hasn't been put on the website yet.

I have a theory on WoT's conflicting information. Someone found a 2nd redirect on faeit: dark-angels-space-marines

That struck me as being remarkably similar to the space wolf pack box, so what I think we'll see is a repacking of the Vet. box to 10men to represent tac squads. That would go some lengths to explaining why Whisperer originally thought their would be a new tac. box of some kind. There will be in essence, but it won't "new new", nor will a full new box all BA be released. Just a repackaging of an old kit to represent one

Azreal13 wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Or, to put it in GW speak and perspective, and more succinctly

"It's our fault for not buying more Sisters!"

I don't think you can fault larger trends to individual consumers. I am sure there are people out there still in love with New Coke, Deloreans and BlackBerrys. They just aren't the mainstream.

I am not holding anyone at fault, I was, as I felt I had gone to pains to point out, merely phrasing it how GW would express it. It isn't the first time the sentiment of "it's the customers fault for not buying enough stuff" has come out of Lenton in one way or another.

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:


I am not holding anyone at fault, I was, as I felt I had gone to pains to point out, merely phrasing it how GW would express it. It isn't the first time the sentiment of "it's the customers fault for not buying enough stuff" has come out of Lenton in one way or another.

Really? Link, Source, Quote?

If anything, GW's known for never saying anything, one way or the other.

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:


I am not holding anyone at fault, I was, as I felt I had gone to pains to point out, merely phrasing it how GW would express it. It isn't the first time the sentiment of "it's the customers fault for not buying enough stuff" has come out of Lenton in one way or another.

Really? Link, Source, Quote?

If anything, GW's known for never saying anything, one way or the other.

As with most things, it is anecdotal, I thought that was implied? Or aren't you good at keeping up?

I am good at spotting confirmation bias via people putting words into other people's (or companies') mouth.

Azreal13 wrote:You're good at disguises too.

I could've sworn I read something about it on Pins of War, or maybe somewhere here, in something that Zweischneid posted?

Anyway, it is certainly something I've seen before - GW will 'Squat' things for not selling more - many times not appearing to realize that not releasing new things for Faction (X) tends to lower sales for that same Faction...

 Bloodthirster wrote:

 Jadenim wrote:

 Bloodthirster wrote:
I'm not entirely sure if this is right, but I think I found a working redirect for a Interrogator.

dark-angels-interrogator-chaplain

It changes ala the Skitarri and Eldar ones. Couldn't find one for a new codex though...

Could be because they're just being rolled into the upcoming SM codex

That could well be, or it could just be because the new dex. hasn't been put on the website yet.

I have a theory on WoT's conflicting information. Someone found a 2nd redirect on faeit: dark-angels-space-marines

That struck me as being remarkably similar to the space wolf pack box, so what I think we'll see is a repacking of the Vet. box to 10men to represent tac squads. That would go some lengths to explaining why Whisperer originally thought their would be a new tac. box of some kind. There will be in essence, but it won't "new new", nor will a full new box all BA be released. Just a repackaging of an old kit to represent one

I don't know, could go either way. I was about to order the chapter upgrade sprue before, went for something to eat, came back and it was listed as no longer available. New kit replacing it? I don't know if they'd throw the sprue in to make the numbers up on the vets, would be too many duplicate parts like the terminator bits. Either way its out my conversion project on hold because its not available :-/

From the bowels of the internet, comes.. something

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
That said, honestly at this point I'd be fairly surprised if the Sisters don't at least get a handful of kits

That is… pretty new.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
That said, honestly at this point I'd be fairly surprised if the Sisters don't at least get a handful of kits

I would be more surprised if they did. Sisters get no love from GW, and Eldar popping up out of nowhere kind of seals things.

Maybe a halfhearted something to fill the dead time just before 9E releases.

Are we due for 9th? I thought we were on 7th? But that's almost 2 years old so...

9th Ed Fantasy.

Sisters missed 40k 6E, no reason they can't miss 7E, too.

But sisters had new codex not so long before. But it is digital only.

 Haljin wrote:
From the bowels of the internet, comes.. something

With the usual masterful photography skills of rumour-mongers. Guys, you just need to hold the camera STILL these days, and it'll do most of the work for you.

It's hilarious, isn't it?

Earthquakes must be far more common than we think.

Still... *crosses fingers that the turret will work with the other big bunker GW makes... whatever it's called... that HBMC bought ages ago but still hasn't built...*

Giant plasma? I must have it for my DA then)))

Another d weapon fort? What're the stats on the Titan plasma cannon?

Bigger than this. It's not D though. It's S7 AP2. It's literally a Plasma Cannon just with a MUCH bigger blast.

It's probably the plasma blastgun from the Stormblade, so two firing modes:

Rapid fire - 72" 8/2 2x 7" blast

Overcharge - 96" 10/2 10" blast

edit.

Though come to think, these stats are from the fourth Horus Heresy book, so probably this variant is far more powerful than the 40k equivalent.

I heard it's a S7 AP2 Massive Blast with Gets Hot and when it gets hot, the occupying unit suffer d3 wounds.

Ahhh, well ignore my post then, sounds like it's not as excitingly powerful as FW's variant.

 Elemental wrote:

 Haljin wrote:
From the bowels of the internet, comes.. something

Spoiler:

With the usual masterful photography skills of rumour-mongers. Guys, you just need to hold the camera STILL these days, and it'll do most of the work for you.

I think it's all that minecraft going around

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
That said, honestly at this point I'd be fairly surprised if the Sisters don't at least get a handful of kits

I would be more surprised if they did. Sisters get no love from GW, and Eldar popping up out of nowhere kind of seals things.

Maybe a halfhearted something to fill the dead time just before 9E releases.

The thing is, what had probably always held Sisters back in the past was that the release schedule was much slower, and thus projects would have to be prioritized based on projected sales.

As in: "Will Sisters sell models?" Yes. "Will they sell more models than something else?" Well, probably not. In the end, retail isn't about figuring out what will simply sell. It's about figuring out what will sell best with limited resources.

But at this rate, we're seeing new model kits pretty much constantly, and GW hired a ton of new design staff in 2013-2014, which means they were anticipating this rush of releases. It seems fairly certain that part of what dropped GW's profits was investing in all these new products (the release pipeline appears to be just over a year from model completion to product release). This represents a pretty significant shift in what their old philosophy appeared to be. Despite the naysayers, GW has been investing a lot of money back into the business in the last couple years. And that means new models.

I don't think Eldar have popped up "out of nowhere" at all. This is a model line that is still around 2/3rds Finecast and it's one of the oldest factions in the game. If any range needed an update, it's the Eldar, given their combination of "tier" and age. I'd say the Eldar were long overdue for a new model release, not that they are getting an unexpected one.

A year ago, I'd have said the chance of Sisters ever getting models would be about zero, because of the prioritization process. But GW's release schedule has picked up tremendously. They've literally turned around every codex in the game in 2 years and released several new ones. The release rate of new models is significantly higher than it's been in the past too. If they've redone the Stormtroopers and Harlequins, and introduced the AdMech, it looks like the company certainly has an appetite for producing niche armies, which is what Sisters have always been.

Our towers now have plasma obliterators? Somewhere a Dark Angel just got a massive purity seal.

Emperor help that building if it gets hot; which if ya let a Dark Angel near the building, might be a problem.

It has always been possible for GW to push more new product, but things like AdMech and Knights are new, niche lines that might drive big future sales, whereas Sisters are an old, niche line that failed more than once. That's the problem.

Somewhere in GW, their management is saying that it's the Sisters players fault for not buying more in 3E / 4E, so now GW needs to pursue the other niche things to make up for the obvious financial disaster that Sisters have been, compounded by previous GW statements that they won't cancel any army lines. GW undoubtedly sees Sisters as an albatross about their necks that they have to work around with other stuff.

Sure, the future could be rosier, but my history of Sisters pessimism and negative expectations has rarely been proven wrong. To me, the best thing is that Sisters haven't yet been Squatted.

Easiest solution is to release a Sisters codex and new models, "accidentally" make the book ridiculously overpowered, and then watch as people gobble them up on principle. With multiple detachments, how many Imperial player wouldn't buy at least an HQ and a few Troops if they were point for point better than their own?

But that's not going to happen. Not this side of 2018 anyway. GW has been hit by let's call it people who think they know what's good for you when they really have no interest in it. Before

They see sisters as a bum start and hope Mechanicus, Genestealer Cult, and other mini Armies will palm us off. But even if it won't they will never listen to public demand period.

Well... aren't Mechanicus, Genestealers, Harlequins, etc already public demand? We've seen people wanting these either as options for existing armies or as standalone armies for a while. People converting their Guard to be Genestealer cults or painting up their Craftworld Eldar to be more Harlequin-esque. The popular demand has already been there to create these standalones. It's not like they're making up a brand new army or dredging up factions that no one cares about.

Requizen wrote:
Well... aren't Mechanicus, Genestealers, Harlequins, etc already public demand? We've seen people wanting these either as options for existing armies or as standalone armies for a while. People converting their Guard to be Genestealer cults or painting up their Craftworld Eldar to be more Harlequin-esque. The popular demand has already been there to create these standalones. It's not like they're making up a brand new army or dredging up factions that no one cares about.

Yes, but all of those niche armies can be built from already existing kits with some judicious kitbashing, converting and painting. You can't really do that with Sisters.

Peredyne wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Well... aren't Mechanicus, Genestealers, Harlequins, etc already public demand? We've seen people wanting these either as options for existing armies or as standalone armies for a while. People converting their Guard to be Genestealer cults or painting up their Craftworld Eldar to be more Harlequin-esque. The popular demand has already been there to create these standalones. It's not like they're making up a brand new army or dredging up factions that no one cares about.

Yes, but all of those niche armies can be built from already existing kits with some judicious kitbashing, converting and painting. You can't really do that with Sisters.

Then it makes even more sense to produce the product.

The Dark Eldar came into existence because every year at Games Day there would be Chaos Eldar armies.

From bolterandchainsword:

$ curl --head http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/dark-angels-space-marines HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently Location: http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Dark-Angels-Space-Marines
so new tactilol marines?

It's been rumoured, but recently the rumour source said they'd heard the release had been pushed back.

We're not "at the End of summer" yet, but i never really trusted the Sisters rumours..... It only always seemed like a possible codex though (like the last one).

Just a "here, have a codex", and then nothing for another year or 2..... Just so we're in the 7th Ed pile too...

 BlackTalos wrote:
We're not "at the End of summer" yet, but i never really trusted the Sisters rumours..... It only always seemed like a possible codex though (like the last one).

Just a "here, have a codex", and then nothing for another year or 2..... Just so we're in the 7th Ed pile too...

You're right, we're not at the end of summer. We're not even in summer. The first day of summer is not for more than two months.

It's a bit early to be decrying things that won't pan out for another ~5 months.

Isn't that our speciality?

In the Sob tactics, some one brought up the plasma fort with dominions inside.

 pretre wrote:
In the Sob tactics, some one brought up the plasma fort with dominions inside.

It would need to be dominions, with a simulacrum, with jacobus....

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
It has always been possible for GW to push more new product, but things like AdMech and Knights are new, niche lines that might drive big future sales, whereas Sisters are an old, niche line that failed more than once. That's the problem.

Somewhere in GW, their management is saying that it's the Sisters players fault for not buying more in 3E / 4E, so now GW needs to pursue the other niche things to make up for the obvious financial disaster that Sisters have been, compounded by previous GW statements that they won't cancel any army lines. GW undoubtedly sees Sisters as an albatross about their necks that they have to work around with other stuff.

Sure, the future could be rosier, but my history of Sisters pessimism and negative expectations has rarely been proven wrong. To me, the best thing is that Sisters haven't yet been Squatted.

The thing that gets me with this?

There's very little difference between being Squatted and having your entire army reduced down to a single unit in a combined list somewhere (like what is rumoured to be going on with WFB 9th). And I'm very much afraid that GW wouldn't see it that way. They'd probably see Sisters being reduced to a single unit or 2 in some sort of odd combined list as them upholding their promise and would care very little for the fact that people have existing armies with markings, units and the like. Heck, the Exterminatus campaign supplement had the Sisters presented in a mish-mash fashion with their logic being 'Oh, they've combined their forces'. I'm always on edge when I see that because it suggests that they didn't care about the existing armies and would take the same approach if your army got condensed - oh, just mix them.

As a Dogs of War player, I think there's a pretty clear difference between being neglected, reduced and actually Squatted. Trimming the Sisters back to 1 or 2 units a la Arbites and Kroot is different from GW saying you don't exist any more.

JohnHwangDD is right.

Sisters are still in the cannon, in the last campaign book, and they bothered to update the digital codex for 7th.

I say it's only a matter of time before they are transitioned into plastic, and when that day comes they'll get their new codex.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
As a Dogs of War player, I think there's a pretty clear difference between being neglected, reduced and actually Squatted. Trimming the Sisters back to 1 or 2 units a la Arbites and Kroot is different from GW saying you don't exist any more.

Not really. If you cannot realistically field your existing army as just that...an army then you've gone and joined the Squats for what it's worth. Support for your range will be minimal and that stagnation is pretty much what people have been wanting to avoid for years now. I feel really bad for the Kroot Mercenary players out there as they've essentially had an entire army they would have converted up reduced to a single unit in a codex that would require them to purchase other distinctly non-Kroot units in order to field. Not to mention that they'd be forcing a playstyle that just doesn't fit into this codex which will of course lead to the army faceplanting in games just due to not being effective. The Kroot Mercenary list actually had upgrades and wargear that benefited the aggressive playstyle that the Tau codex simply does not have.

If your army is reduced to a single unit in another list altogether then you are not in a healthy place at all. If you are reliant on fan publications (Dogs of War) for your army to function in the current edition of the game...well, you've been squatted. Sorry.

Now, perhaps if GW does go that derpy direction Forge World will pick the girls up and give them something worthwhile. Considering that FW publications have been considered tournament legal for the past few years that could be a good sign for them. They already have a few Forge World only vehicles and I think Forge World would actually like to expand the range and could do them justice.

And heck, pricewise it'd probably be cheaper than the current metal/finecast extortion. (£50+ for a squad of ten SoBs. What the absolute hell GW.)

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
As a Dogs of War player, I think there's a pretty clear difference between being neglected, reduced and actually Squatted. Trimming the Sisters back to 1 or 2 units a la Arbites and Kroot is different from GW saying you don't exist any more.

Having a DoW and a Squat army myself I kinda have to say that shrinking an army is just the first stage in the whole removal process.

I guess you could do an Arbites Army Via the MT Codex but it wouldn't be the same.

I would not be surprised to see Kroot Mercs get a list before Sisters receive core plastics. Which is only possible because Kroot haven't been Squatted.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I would not be surprised to see Kroot Mercs get a list before Sisters receive core plastics. Which is only possible because Kroot haven't been Squatted.

It already happened once.

 pretre wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I would not be surprised to see Kroot Mercs get a list before Sisters receive core plastics. Which is only possible because Kroot haven't been Squatted.

It already happened once.

And then the list (but not the models) was squatted.

 adamsouza wrote:
JohnHwangDD is right.

Sisters are still in the cannon, in the last campaign book, and they bothered to update the digital codex for 7th.

I say it's only a matter of time before they are transitioned into plastic, and when that day comes they'll get their new codex.

Indeed. Even the new Skitarii Codex makes a small mention of the Skitarii working with the Adepta Sororitas.

drbored wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
JohnHwangDD is right.

Sisters are still in the cannon, in the last campaign book, and they bothered to update the digital codex for 7th.

I say it's only a matter of time before they are transitioned into plastic, and when that day comes they'll get their new codex.

Indeed. Even the new Skitarii Codex makes a small mention of the Skitarii working with the Adepta Sororitas.

Tyranid codexes and the 40k rulebook mention Zoats all the damn time.

Do you see any Zoats?

 warboss wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I would not be surprised to see Kroot Mercs get a list before Sisters receive core plastics. Which is only possible because Kroot haven't been Squatted.

It already happened once.

And then the list (but not the models) was squatted.

Yeah it was an interesting List too, but according to some we may get a kroot mercs list at some point.

Just wanted to say that I like how WhispererofTruth's rumors are starting to fall into place... The only thing is that she listed the Assassins boxed set after Dark Angels (I think?).

In any case, I would not have guessed when she said it all that Eldar would start popping up, and then this Assassins boxed set. Bring on the Tzeentch!

She has been silent for a while..... I hope she comes back.



She has reiterated in a private message to me that Tzeentch will certainly be getting models, as she said earlier in this thread.

I am excited.. but I know GW hates Tzeentch CSM so we shall see

It's way early to declare WoT a success.

Yes, eldar and assassins were correct but the details of the eldar release were incorrect. Right now, we've got hardly 5 rumors actually tested and almost half are partially true(which was generous).

Yes of course, that's fair.

Time will tell.. It does make me wonder what they would fill June/July with if not Tzeentch.

Dark Angels?

WFB 9E?

About five years ago I started to save up money to start a sister of battle army whenever it released. I was so sure that it'd be so long that I only set aside a few dollars a month. Well we shall see if I am ever going to finally empty that box of waded up cash or not.