So a few things between BoLS making statements, and nightfury on Natfka making some claims as well. (basically a big bag of rumors I wasn't sure how to best split up):
BoLS is making claims about Sisters again
Via Birds in the Trees Sororitas Rundown:
– R&D on the entire line is complete, and the range is all new in plastic.
– 5-model combo-unit Sisters infantry kit
– 3 model Sisters unit on 50mm bases kit
– 5 model Sisters unit on 32mm bases kit (different from the infantry unit listed above)
– Sororitas combo unit vehicle kit “A” kit
– Sororitas combo unit vehicle kit “B” kit
– Sororitas Walker/Monstrous Creature vehicle kit
– 3 clampack Sororitas characters
These are on ice and only await release scheduling by GW.
These rumors are rated: PROBABLE coming from known reliable sources.
And my $.02 on this in yellow:
Spoiler:
Via Birds in the Trees Sororitas Rundown:
– R&D on the entire line is complete, and the range is all new in plastic. No gak. With an army whose only all plastic model is a Rhino with an alternate options sprue this isn't a big shock. Anyone could have guessed this.
– 5-model combo-unit Sisters infantry kit Possible, but it'll need to come with a flamer, melta, storm bolter, heavy flamer, multi-melta, and heavy bolter to be worth the cost. Plus Superior upgrades. That's like 3-4 sprues depending on parts density and head options.
– 3 model Sisters unit on 50mm bases kit I can't think of anything that needs a 50mm base, unless Repentia become a swarm unit or something.
– 5 model Sisters unit on 32mm bases kit (different from the infantry unit listed above) Heavier armor Sisters or Seraphim perhaps?
– Sororitas combo unit vehicle kit “A” kit Exorcist could definitely be either this or B. Likely would have an alt build because that's how GW rolls.
– Sororitas combo unit vehicle kit “B” kit Hopefully an assault vehicle or a flyer. Likely this or A is a re-cut Immolator/Rhino kit for "reasons".
– Sororitas Walker/Monstrous Creature vehicle kit Penitent Engine? Pretty much an automatic addition since the metal model is officially the worst model to assemble in the entire game now that there are no metal Dreadnoughts or Thunderfire Cannons. I'd be surprised it it wasn't a dual kit to make 2 different models though.
– 3 clampack Sororitas characters Priest (who is available for 3 armies so is a big one to update), Canoness and either a new HQ option or an updated or new SC. I kind of want a SC Canoness, but a plastic Celestine could be awesome.
These are on ice and only await release scheduling by GW. So basically "whenever, I promise"
These rumors are rated: PROBABLE coming from known reliable sources.
Via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
* the next upcoming big release won't be Warhammer Fantasy but something set "in the 40k universe"
* Warhammer Fantasy isn't expected to be released until the summer like all major GW releases before
* there is no such a thing as "red dates where managers aren't allowed to take off-days". It's rather a recommendation by HQ to be there
nightfury wrote:Id expect the next campaign to start in may or kick off with the admech stuff it falling right on that 6 month curve the campaigns are supposedly following
nightfury wrote:I haven't heard or seen anything about plastic HH so i wouldn't expect it before the summer campaign which incidentally i haven't seen anything on yet either but i was specifically told last year that they have a campaign schedule to do one every 6 months which has held true so far with the insinuation that this summers campaign will be imperial vs chaos. The only thing i can confirm is the upcoming Skitarii release within the next few months with a codex/suppliment release. i was specifically told campaigns would be used to tie releases together like we've already seen so expect AdMech to be part of this next campaign. side note: i know for a fact that plastic Sisters are coming and sculpts/moulds are finished and pre productions are underway though a release date is still well off
If the Sisters are coming to plastic, that would be great news, of course. They were incidentally the only real 'power armor' army I've been interested in playing, but their cost has been the nail that kept me from opening my wallet.
BoLS is making claims about Sisters again (my $.02 in yellow):
Via Birds in the Trees Sororitas Rundown:
– R&D on the entire line is complete, and the range is all new in plastic. No gak. With an army whose only all plastic model is a Rhino with an alternate options sprue this isn't a big shock. Anyone could have guessed this.
– 5-model combo-unit Sisters infantry kit Possible, but it'll need to come with a flamer, melta, storm bolter, heavy flamer, multi-melta, and heavy bolter to be worth the cost. Plus Superior upgrades. That's like 3-4 sprues depending on parts density and head options.
– 3 model Sisters unit on 50mm bases kit I can't think of anything that needs a 50mm base, unless Repentia become a swarm unit or something.
– 5 model Sisters unit on 32mm bases kit (different from the infantry unit listed above) Heavier armor Sisters or Seraphim perhaps?
– Sororitas combo unit vehicle kit “A” kit Exorcist could definitely be either this or B. Likely would have an alt build because that's how GW rolls.
– Sororitas combo unit vehicle kit “B” kit Hopefully an assault vehicle or a flyer. Likely this or A is a re-cut Immolator/Rhino kit for "reasons".
– Sororitas Walker/Monstrous Creature vehicle kit Penitent Engine? Pretty much an automatic addition since the metal model is officially the worst model to assemble in the entire game now that there are no metal Dreadnoughts or Thunderfire Cannons. I'd be surprised it it wasn't a dual kit to make 2 different models though.
– 3 clampack Sororitas characters Priest (who is available for 3 armies so is a big one to update), Canoness and either a new HQ option or an updated or new SC. I kind of want a SC Canoness, but a plastic Celestine could be awesome.
These are on ice and only await release scheduling by GW. So basically "whenever, I promise"
These rumors are rated: PROBABLE coming from known reliable sources.
Melevolence wrote: If the Sisters are coming to plastic, that would be great news, of course. They were incidentally the only real 'power armor' army I've been interested in playing, but their cost has been the nail that kept me from opening my wallet.
Likewise - but such is the way of GW that IF they are released soon in spiffy new plastic they'll probably be more expensive than the metal range was a few years ago (when it was last properly available) so that the latter part will still be true.
Too little, too late for me. I don't think GW has made a reasonably priced kit since the 5th edition Dark Eldar release, so I know these are going to be so expensive they might as well have not bothered.
Won't believe it until I see the pics, as much as I want to...
And even if we have this, the post said 'R&D', which could just be 3D CAD models. Even if they're printed this year, we probably won't see them until sometime next year anyway.
drbored wrote: Won't believe it until I see the pics, as much as I want to...
And even if we have this, the post said 'R&D', which could just be 3D CAD models. Even if they're printed this year, we probably won't see them until sometime next year anyway.
nightfury said that was done and they were in pre-production now leading up to the release. No release date yet (that he knows of), but apparently they're actually being produced.
drbored wrote: Won't believe it until I see the pics, as much as I want to...
And even if we have this, the post said 'R&D', which could just be 3D CAD models. Even if they're printed this year, we probably won't see them until sometime next year anyway.
nightfury said that was done and they were in pre-production now leading up to the release. No release date yet (that he knows of), but apparently they're actually being produced.
Here's hoping. Still think that all of the other rumormongers saying 'not this year' is going to mean... not this year.
It is heartening that we're getting from multiple sources that the models are done and they're being made, so hopefully it's just a matter of waiting, but then, that's what we've been doing all along anyway.
Hmm. I've been telling my friends that the sisters will be my next army since the start of fifth edition, but that I was going to wait for a proper update. I've actually built and painted an Ork greentide (101 orks) in the meantime. Honestly, I'm more inclined to chip in for the Raging Heroes kickstarter in the next couple of weeks. At least then I would know I would be getting something in the next couple of years.
Sad that a Sisters box would be 5 models. I get that they could do a combined box for the different units, but it's going to be hard building an army out of 5-man boxes unless they're priced like GK's. Hell, they even put GK's into a 10 man box.
ImAGeek wrote: Please don't say things like that. They might hear you...
H.B.M.C. wrote: Sad that a Sisters box would be 5 models. I get that they could do a combined box for the different units, but it's going to be hard building an army out of 5-man boxes unless they're priced like GK's. Hell, they even put GK's into a 10 man box.
ImAGeek wrote: Please don't say things like that. They might hear you...
ClockworkZion wrote: Some of the Sisters rumors by BoLS were extrapolation, others strike me as a bit weird (the 32mm and 50mm base kits namely).
I could easily see Sisters getting some sort of Centurion equivalent.
Yo Dawg!
I heard you like penitent engines. So we dropped a penitent engine inside your penitent engine so your penitent engine pilot can pilot a penitent engine piloting a penitent engine
ClockworkZion wrote: Some of the Sisters rumors by BoLS were extrapolation, others strike me as a bit weird (the 32mm and 50mm base kits namely).
I could easily see Sisters getting some sort of Centurion equivalent.
Yo Dawg!
I heard you like penitent engines. So we dropped a penitent engine inside your penitent engine so your penitent engine pilot can pilot a penitent engine piloting a penitent engine
ClockworkZion wrote: Some of the Sisters rumors by BoLS were extrapolation, others strike me as a bit weird (the 32mm and 50mm base kits namely).
I could easily see Sisters getting some sort of Centurion equivalent.
Yo Dawg!
I heard you like penitent engines. So we dropped a penitent engine inside your penitent engine so your penitent engine pilot can pilot a penitent engine piloting a penitent engine
Are you Mat Ward's replacement?
No because I didn't mention penitent arms, penitent missiles oe engine engines
With the way 3d sculpting can be done these days, who knows how long the Sisters designs have been sitting in a computer until GW decides to actually make them?
ClockworkZion wrote: So a few things between BoLS making statements, and nightfury on Natfka making some claims as well. (basically a big bag of rumors I wasn't sure how to best split up):
BoLS is making claims about Sisters again (my $.02 in yellow):
Via Birds in the Trees Sororitas Rundown:
– R&D on the entire line is complete, and the range is all new in plastic. No gak. With an army whose only all plastic model is a Rhino with an alternate options sprue this isn't a big shock. Anyone could have guessed this. – 5-model combo-unit Sisters infantry kit Possible, but it'll need to come with a flamer, melta, storm bolter, heavy flamer, multi-melta, and heavy bolter to be worth the cost. Plus Superior upgrades. That's like 3-4 sprues depending on parts density and head options. – 3 model Sisters unit on 50mm bases kit I can't think of anything that needs a 50mm base, unless Repentia become a swarm unit or something. – 5 model Sisters unit on 32mm bases kit (different from the infantry unit listed above) Heavier armor Sisters or Seraphim perhaps? – Sororitas combo unit vehicle kit “A” kit Exorcist could definitely be either this or B. Likely would have an alt build because that's how GW rolls. – Sororitas combo unit vehicle kit “B” kit Hopefully an assault vehicle or a flyer. Likely this or A is a re-cut Immolator/Rhino kit for "reasons". – Sororitas Walker/Monstrous Creature vehicle kit Penitent Engine? Pretty much an automatic addition since the metal model is officially the worst model to assemble in the entire game now that there are no metal Dreadnoughts or Thunderfire Cannons. I'd be surprised it it wasn't a dual kit to make 2 different models though. – 3 clampack Sororitas characters Priest (who is available for 3 armies so is a big one to update), Canoness and either a new HQ option or an updated or new SC. I kind of want a SC Canoness, but a plastic Celestine could be awesome.
These are on ice and only await release scheduling by GW. So basically "whenever, I promise"
These rumors are rated: PROBABLE coming from known reliable sources.
Yeah, i've also been hearing that the "Plastic Sisters" have been done for a while. For any saying "they're still designing them", i think that the "Masters" are already made, they have the models, but they're just not going into production for "reasons". Any of these rumours come either from production actually starting, or the expectation of such...
As for the specifics above, I think you've pretty much got it Clockwork, i'll put it my way:
– R&D on the entire line is complete, and the range is all new in plastic. No news for me. When they start production (if they ever do?) is my concern. – 5-model combo-unit Sisters infantry kit Agreed on multi-weapons. Unless they play the SM Infantry trick: you get 1 melta and you need other boxes for the rest.... – 3 model Sisters unit on 50mm bases kit What is on 50mm? swarms are 40mm. New Nid warriors are 50mm right? So something of equal size. No idea... – 5 model Sisters unit on 32mm bases kit (different from the infantry unit listed above) could just be the Heavy squad, 32mm for the larger weapons / stances. Would remove the Heavy flamer, MM, Heavy bolter from the 1st Kit. – Sororitas combo unit vehicle kit “A” kit I'd say one is immolator, one is Exorcist – Sororitas combo unit vehicle kit “B” kit As above, but an new vehicle could always be an alternative... – Sororitas Walker/Monstrous Creature vehicle kit Penitent Engine is the most probable here. – 3 clampack Sororitas characters Priest, Canoness and Celestine (she's too iconic). Possibly Jacobus? although priest kit should make him. maybe a VSS with more options (Repentia mistress, etc)
Also, clockwork, the Combo-"A" Kit and Combo-"B" Kit to me clearly means 1 Kit, two option (A and B).
Tannhauser42 wrote: With the way 3d sculpting can be done these days, who knows how long the Sisters designs have been sitting in a computer until GW decides to actually make them?
In that case I hope they were done a while ago then, so there's less chance of them putting out some really stupid-looking models or concepts like they've been fond of doing here lately. Really don't want to see more stuff like centurions, Logan's sled, "Murderfang", every race getting a walker no matter how silly it looks or how much it breaks the fluff, same with flyers (which are almost all ugly except for the Eldar models, and the IG valkyrie which was technically FW), and let's not forget new weapon designs that are somehow more ridiculous than god-damned sword-chucks.
5 model box at $35? Check.
Ridiculous new units just for lulz? Check.
There are so many cool ideas and themes to expand on with Sisters, but GW always picks the low hanging fruit. Put it on a big base, make it a monstrous creature, give it a 2+ save and invul, et cetera, ad nauseum... I enjoy the game because of the fluff, often in spite of the models. But the more they butcher the background to shoehorn in models to sell, the further away they push me from the game.
ClockworkZion wrote: Some of the Sisters rumors by BoLS were extrapolation, others strike me as a bit weird (the 32mm and 50mm base kits namely).
I could easily see Sisters getting some sort of Centurion equivalent.
Please don't say things like that. They might hear you...
It's going to be a Sister sitting atop another Sister's shoulders while firing two bolters.
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BrookM wrote: Thanks for the compiling, though maybe next time keep the personal comments out of the OP and save those for a later post?
I can't double post on here to keep them separate, so I said "screw it" and just left them lumped in from where I'd done so for a normal post on another forum.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Sad that a Sisters box would be 5 models. I get that they could do a combined box for the different units, but it's going to be hard building an army out of 5-man boxes unless they're priced like GK's. Hell, they even put GK's into a 10 man box.
Even at 5 to a box, if the boxes are $30USD it's still be cheaper than currently (by $30 for a standard sized unit). GW would have to make an effort to price Sisters players out of plastics.
Yeah, i've also been hearing that the "Plastic Sisters" have been done for a while. For any saying "they're still designing them", i think that the "Masters" are already made, they have the models, but they're just not going into production for "reasons".
Any of these rumours come either from production actually starting, or the expectation of such...
As for the specifics above, I think you've pretty much got it Clockwork, i'll put it my way:
– R&D on the entire line is complete, and the range is all new in plastic. No news for me. When they start production (if they ever do?) is my concern.
– 5-model combo-unit Sisters infantry kit Agreed on multi-weapons. Unless they play the SM Infantry trick: you get 1 melta and you need other boxes for the rest....
– 3 model Sisters unit on 50mm bases kit What is on 50mm? swarms are 40mm. New Nid warriors are 50mm right? So something of equal size. No idea...
– 5 model Sisters unit on 32mm bases kit (different from the infantry unit listed above) could just be the Heavy squad, 32mm for the larger weapons / stances. Would remove the Heavy flamer, MM, Heavy bolter from the 1st Kit.
– Sororitas combo unit vehicle kit “A” kit I'd say one is immolator, one is Exorcist
– Sororitas combo unit vehicle kit “B” kit As above, but an new vehicle could always be an alternative...
– Sororitas Walker/Monstrous Creature vehicle kit Penitent Engine is the most probable here.
– 3 clampack Sororitas characters Priest, Canoness and Celestine (she's too iconic). Possibly Jacobus? although priest kit should make him. maybe a VSS with more options (Repentia mistress, etc)
Also, clockwork, the Combo-"A" Kit and Combo-"B" Kit to me clearly means 1 Kit, two option (A and B).
So no Flyer, unless you were thinking Grav-Rhino?
I don't read the vehicle that way as it sounds like two seperate kits that make different things. Interesting idea regarding the 32mm models. Putting heavy weapons on them is a possibility I hadn't considered.
32mm might be for seraphim. Emperor knows those girls are top heavy. And the posing on jump troops is different then foot units, so probably deserves it’s own box.
I don't read the vehicle that way as it sounds like two seperate kits that make different things. Interesting idea regarding the 32mm models. Putting heavy weapons on them is a possibility I hadn't considered.
And grav rhinos would be awesome.
How i'm seeing it: – Sororitas combo unit vehicle kit [comma] “A” kit – Sororitas combo unit vehicle kit [comma] “B” kit
Which would make a lot of sense: Rhino "Extended" Kit with Immolator or Exorcist options. I mean the Exorcist Kit is basically an Immo Kit without the clear plastic Cupola. If they added the clear cupola to the Exorcist kit, the above "rumour" would already exist lol...
"The Grav-Rhino was a variant of the standard Deimos Pattern Rhino."
"The Silent Sisterhood(...) also had access to the Grav-Rhino while they fought within the Imperial Webway."
And i'll never give up on my Sisters of Silence > Sisters of Battle link in the ages
We already have a Rhino/Immolator kit that's currently in a bag. So I'm not counting a rebox as a new kit. That means Exorcist + alt (because there seems to only be character models who don't get options anymore) and then something else.
Custodes have a Grav-Rhino too. Something that rare is perfect for Sisters.
Yeah, them and the Sisters of silence were the only ones to have it... But i GREATLY doubt a "new kit" is coming, of any kind.
How i'm seeing the SoB rumours: Just like any other year / rumour past.
GW is printing a new Codex, which was what the original rumours said. Extrapolation and wish-listing always brings up plastic. But the original rumours never mentioned models.
A New codex without any models would be strange, indeed, but last time these rumours happened we JUST got the Digital dex. The rumour of plastic was there back then too =P
I'm sure the plastic sisters rumors will never end they make excellent click bait and if they at least get the codex right they can say "oh well my sources say the plastic sisters were pushed back for now and they are just releasing the codex as i said they would" Whenever i see talk of this i just gloss over it until i see no real proof then dismiss it. Until people provide actual proof it's about as credible as the rest of the rumors over the last several years. I'll wait until we see WD spoilers with photos and stuff before i buy into anything even if the source has got a few hits out of 100 right.
BlackTalos wrote: Yeah, them and the Sisters of silence were the only ones to have it... But i GREATLY doubt a "new kit" is coming, of any kind.
How i'm seeing the SoB rumours:
Just like any other year / rumour past.
GW is printing a new Codex, which was what the original rumours said. Extrapolation and wish-listing always brings up plastic. But the original rumours never mentioned models.
A New codex without any models would be strange, indeed, but last time these rumours happened we JUST got the Digital dex. The rumour of plastic was there back then too =P
(Call me sceptic, but i won't get my hopes up...)
I think a new Rhino/Immolator kit is likely out of the question (though now I'm considering how to try and convert hover Rhinos), but my point about other possible vehicles stands.
The rumors here said nothing about the codex, so I'm considering this a different batch.
Revarien wrote: GW isn't getting a dime from me till they update my Sisters and I've been spurned by them more times than I care to count:
What makes this information any different than the last time?
Nightfury has a 100% accuracy rate right now?
Also that's the most specific I've seen for kits regarding model counts and base size.
Last time someone claimed to see models they made some claims about details on the models, but nothing about specific kits. The info about specific kits does give me hope that actual kits were seen, but then again it's BoLS so who knows if it's true or not. :/
And even if they did, what of it? All of these rumors have been stated a hundred times before, with a few insignificant tweaks to make them fit with recent trends. I'll believe it when I see the WD in my FLGS.
If GW does new Codexes the associated models will be Plastic.
That's GWs stated desire and the most recent releases would seem to confirm that they at that point.
I've no interest in boob-armoured-not-marines but I look forward to their release just to placate the most fervent of their fans. It will be like internet Tourette's is practically cured overnight!
Revarien wrote: GW isn't getting a dime from me till they update my Sisters and I've been spurned by them more times than I care to count:
What makes this information any different than the last time?
Nightfury has a 100% accuracy rate right now?
Also that's the most specific I've seen for kits regarding model counts and base size.
Last time someone claimed to see models they made some claims about details on the models, but nothing about specific kits. The info about specific kits does give me hope that actual kits were seen, but then again it's BoLS so who knows if it's true or not. :/
Nightfury isn't the one making the SOB claims, Larry Vela is. That means they are probably not true.
Larry Vela aka Big Red - Total rumors: (154 TRUE) / (339 FALSE) / (20 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
pretre wrote: Nightfury isn't the one making the SOB claims, Larry Vela is. That means they are probably not true.
Larry Vela aka Big Red - Total rumors: (154 TRUE) / (339 FALSE) / (20 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
*ahem*
From the first post, with large bold letters for emphasis:
nightfury wrote:I haven't heard or seen anything about plastic HH so i wouldn't expect it before the summer campaign which incidentally i haven't seen anything on yet either but i was specifically told last year that they have a campaign schedule to do one every 6 months which has held true so far with the insinuation that this summers campaign will be imperial vs chaos. The only thing i can confirm is the upcoming Skitarii release within the next few months with a codex/suppliment release. i was specifically told campaigns would be used to tie releases together like we've already seen so expect AdMech to be part of this next campaign. side note: i know for a fact that plastic Sisters are coming and sculpts/moulds are finished and pre productions are underway though a release date is still well off
So yes, nightfury is too making claims regarding Sisters as well.
Come on, I posted it for crying out loud. You think I'd get some credit for knowing what I put up there.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And if you don't like the comments, fine, I'll consider it for later threads. But I'm not going to change it now because it's pointless to.
I'm not ungrateful for the glimmer of hope on my army getting an update, but I've pretty much quit playing the game because of a serious lack of an update on their part (and I mean that in regards to their previous updates being pretty much jokes).
I'd start buying codices again, I'd buy terrain, I'd buy most everything to do with the army... but I doubt they understand I'm not alone in my feelings.
Azreal13 wrote: I bet she didn't want to put "Plastic Sisters" anywhere near a thread title!
Understandable, but still...
Plastic Sisters would lead to all the trolling but I'll clean it up when I'm in front of a PC.
And frankly if I do put a clean copy of that list in the first post I don't really feel like burying my thoughts on the 2+ pages back after they've been replied to and complained about. So they'll stay in the first post, though I may spoiler them.
And in all honesty this thread won't be a long term Sisters rumors thread. Or do you expect us to have enough breadcrumbs between now and whenever to keep it alive?
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notprop wrote: Well if Kronk Kronington is an Armoured boob-man, I may reconsider the whole affair!
I'd consider a small allied force. I like their fluff, and think they'd look awesome on the table next to a Black Templars army. Gimme good plastic models.
Azreal13 wrote: I bet she didn't want to put "Plastic Sisters" anywhere near a thread title!
Dicrel Seijin wrote: Hmm. I've been telling my friends that the sisters will be my next army since the start of fifth edition, but that I was going to wait for a proper update. I've actually built and painted an Ork greentide (101 orks) in the meantime. Honestly, I'm more inclined to chip in for the Raging Heroes kickstarter in the next couple of weeks. At least then I would know I would be getting something in the next couple of years.
Ouch! The burn!
Raging Heroes sisters will probably be cheaper than GW sisters as well....
Revarien wrote: I'm not ungrateful for the glimmer of hope on my army getting an update, but I've pretty much quit playing the game because of a serious lack of an update on their part (and I mean that in regards to their previous updates being pretty much jokes).
I'd start buying codices again, I'd buy terrain, I'd buy most everything to do with the army... but I doubt they understand I'm not alone in my feelings.
Well, have you tried Warmachine? I started a very cool Trollblood warband!
Raging Heroes sisters will probably be cheaper than GW sisters as well....
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Very much this. Just because GW may eventually deign to release plastic Sisters, does not mean that they will be any cheaper than metal ones. After all, if GW sells plastic Sisters for less $ than the current price of the metal models, they will be losing money ! Of course, that's not how it actually works, but that's how GW thinks. Expect plastic sisters to be priced to match metal ones, or to be priced higher.
No because I didn't mention penitent arms, penitent missiles oe engine engines
No, you're confusing Matt Ward with Phill Kelly. MURDERSWORD, Wolf-lord with wolf claws with wolf amulet with curse of the wulfen mcgreatwolf of the world wolf.
Heavens, Clockwork, stop taking the whole thing so serious!
Kronk is one of the warmest, fluffiest regulars on here, and you snap at him for teasing you for being uptight? (Which I'm afraid you are..)
timetowaste makes an obvious throwaway joke comment, yet you reply as if he was being literal!
I'm getting the sense recently of a certain weariness in your posts, plus an apparent inability to let anything pass without comment. It does not feel like you're enjoying being on Dakka, or perhaps real life is tough and that's coming through? Either way, it may be time to take some time away and try something to try and refresh things a bit?
No because I didn't mention penitent arms, penitent missiles oe engine engines
No, you're confusing Matt Ward with Phill Kelly. MURDERSWORD, Wolf-lord with wolf claws with wolf amulet with curse of the wulfen mcgreatwolf of the world wolf.
Many of Ward's transgressions were equally egregious, I direct you to Exhibit A, the Blood Angels 5th Ed Codex
ClockworkZion wrote: Plastics cost less than metal to make which means their return is actually likely to increase for GW.
You know that. I know that. But does GW? Seriously, look at their pricing model for the last three years and then look me in the eye and tell me, with a straight face, that GW wouldn't price plastic Sisters for as much or more than metal Sisters.
They got away with charging X for a model in metal, then they charged X+$ for that same model in crappy resin. So why wouldn't they charge X or X+$ for a similar model in plastic? They have to offset their R&D and mold costs somehow, right?
Azreal13 wrote: Heavens, Clockwork, stop taking the whole thing so serious!
How about you stop following me around in threads and trying to start arguments and then acting like it's my fault?
Azreal13 wrote: Kronk is one of the warmest, fluffiest regulars on here, and you snap at him for teasing you for being uptight? (Which I'm afraid you are..)
I'm not so new here people should mistake that for "snapping". Being annoyed that I'm getting crap for complaints about something I took my free time to do, sure. But full on snapping? Not a chance. Me "snapping" involves a lot more swearing and inventing creative ways to tell people to go fek themselves.
Azreal13 wrote: timetowaste makes an obvious throwaway joke comment, yet you reply as if he was being literal!
I was replying because I have no way to know if he (or anyone else) actually knew what was being referenced by "red dates". Yes, yes I got the menstruation joke, but I ignored the obvious low brow humor to answer what could have been a serious question. The fact that I did so just means I didn't find his joke funny. But go on, police my sense of humor while you're trying to instigate more gak.
Azreal13 wrote: I'm getting the sense recently of a certain weariness in your posts, plus an apparent inability to let anything pass without comment. It does not feel like you're enjoying being on Dakka, or perhaps real life is tough and that's coming through? Either way, it may be time to take some time away and try something to try and refresh things a bit?
The only thing I'm tired of is people taking the piss when I take the time to try and be helpful in sharing rumors, clarifying information or generally discuss things. You know, like you seem to enjoy doing anytime you don't agree with me.
Sure, I'm pretty fekking boring and I ignore most jokes on the internet because I don't find everything funny (save for puns, I love me some puns), but that's my business, not your's. So kindly shove off already and stop trying to bait me into arguments just because I didn't respond to everything in the tone and manner you wanted me to. Not everyone on the internet has to be "lol randumb" or slag GW every fekking post over every possible transgression, and just because I don't do those things doesn't mean I need you in my face tone policing me.
ClockworkZion wrote: Plastics cost less than metal to make which means their return is actually likely to increase for GW.
You know that. I know that. But does GW? Seriously, look at their pricing model for the last three years and then look me in the eye and tell me, with a straight face, that GW wouldn't price plastic Sisters for as much or more than metal Sisters.
They got away with charging X for a model in metal, then they charged X+$ for that same model in crappy resin. So why wouldn't they charge X or X+$ for a similar model in plastic? They have to offset their R&D and mold costs somehow, right?
Unless proven otherwise I'm not going to make the assumption that Sisters are going to cost more than they do now. They'd have to be over $45 USD for a box of 5 to exceed what they currently do to run an army and frankly I don't see GW doing that just yet.
Scions are $35 for 5. I'd expect Sisters to be at that price point or less honestly for a box of 5.
No because I didn't mention penitent arms, penitent missiles oe engine engines
No, you're confusing Matt Ward with Phill Kelly. MURDERSWORD, Wolf-lord with wolf claws with wolf amulet with curse of the wulfen mcgreatwolf of the world wolf.
Many of Ward's transgressions were equally egregious, I direct you to Exhibit A, the Blood Angels 5th Ed Codex
Yeah, I won't dispute that. I've seen his silly naming on WHFB Elves and the cartoonishly stupid "sinister" naming of units in the Newcrons dex.
I must admit that I have a beef with Phill Kelly and I hate all his grotesquely bad writing and crunching.
Anyways, back to the topic: New sisters? At this point I honestly won't believe anything before I see the pictures on online pre-order. It's like the plastic thunderhawk.
What's up with the 32-mm bases though? I perfectly understand marines and necron warrioris, who have been known for having feet that sticks out of the 25-mm base but SoB? What unit do they have that justifies an increase in base size?
Azreal13 wrote: It's amazing how persecuted one can feel once you've decided people are out to get you.
Thanks for putting words in my mouth. I don't think people are "out to get me". I think you like to start arguments though and then blame the other party for not agreeing with you.
Azreal13 wrote: I offered genuine advice in an honest fashion, and you decide I'm attacking you?
Considering you started gak in the fantasy thread and made a number of baseless accusations about me and what I actually thought about pretty much everything there, I have a hard time taking anything you say seriously. You make up pictures in your mind of what the other person is doing (most likely with them looking like some kind of raging idiot based on your posts) and then act like that is the only possible way that person can think and act.
Telling people to leave because you don't agree with their posts isn't "genuine advice" it's being an donkey-cave. Just because I don't laugh at every post, and slag GW every chance I get doesn't mean I'm always angry or can't see understand humor. If you can't understand that people can be different than you and still enjoy life then perhaps it's on you. Frankly I'm tired of your nonsense and am just going to start ignoring your posts unless I see something worth spending my time commenting on.
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Zewrath wrote: Anyways, back to the topic: New sisters? At this point I honestly won't believe anything before I see the pictures on online pre-order. It's like the plastic thunderhawk.
Can't blame you there. Personally the only reason I'm giving it the time of day is because of nightfury's current track record being as good as it is.
Zewrath wrote: What's up with the 32-mm bases though? I perfectly understand marines and necron warrioris, who have been known for having feet that sticks out of the 25-mm base but SoB? What unit do they have that justifies an increase in base size?
The only reason I can think of putting Sisters on 32mm bases is for Seraphim so the backpacks don't bump into anything else. Though I saw one person put the idea forth that Retributors could go on those bases.
What I'm most curious about is what could go on the 50mm bases. Considering it's a 3pk I think it's safe to say it's probably not a Sisters riding Sentinels or an Artillery Unit. Maybe some kind of unit with Sisters on mounts, like a Sisters variant of Rough Riders or Thunderwolf Cav?
I definitely got the sense you guys were piling on ClockworkZion when I read this earlier, for what it's worth. Maybe you should all leave eachother alone for once.
Bull0 wrote: I definitely got the sense you guys were piling on ClockworkZion when I read this earlier, for what it's worth. Maybe you should all leave eachother alone for once.
Always appreciate it when someone proves I'm not crazy by pointing out that I'm not the only one seeing it happen.
Seriously, I post in N&R to talk about the rumors, not people's jokes, nor their hyperbole about GW, or their random ideas of what I actually think so I have no complaints to being left alone if it means we can focus on the actual topic on hand instead of all the random bullgak that gets drudged up instead.
– 3 model Sisters unit on 50mm bases kit
This one is interesting. It's not terminators cause there is only 3 of them. Maybe something new and original?
Tangentially related, I've just started Sisters, and I bought up a load of the metal stock from GW. I got 6 of the three-model blisters, and disappointingly all 6 contained the same 3 models - all the same - so I've had to hit ebay to get enough poses to make the squads not look weird.
So, word to the wise for anyone considering doing the same thing. Scrub round GW and go straight to ebay, the price is about the same and you aren't going to get screwed over with the poses.
Bull0 wrote: I definitely got the sense you guys were piling on ClockworkZion when I read this earlier, for what it's worth. Maybe you should all leave eachother alone for once.
Always appreciate it when someone proves I'm not crazy by pointing out that I'm not the only one seeing it happen.
Seriously, I post in N&R to talk about the rumors, not people's jokes, nor their hyperbole about GW, or their random ideas of what I actually think so I have no complaints to being left alone if it means we can focus on the actual topic on hand instead of all the random bullgak that gets drudged up instead.
I thought it too, you aren't crazy.
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Bull0 wrote: Tangentially related, I've just started Sisters, and I bought up a load of the metal stock from GW. I got 6 of the three-model blisters, and disappointingly all 6 contained the same 3 models - all the same - so I've had to hit ebay to get enough poses to make the squads not look weird.
So, word to the wise for anyone considering doing the same thing. Scrub round GW and go straight to ebay, the price is about the same and you aren't going to get screwed over with the poses.
I phrased it really badly. I got six blisters that contained the same 3 unique poses - so I had 3 poses over 18 models, six of each pose. Still, "random from 9 possible poses" my arse.
Necrosis wrote: – 3 model Sisters unit on 50mm bases kit
This one is interesting. It's not terminators cause there is only 3 of them. Maybe something new and original?
I originally tossed out the idea of "swarm" Repentia (2 to a base with 2 wounds each?) but others have tossed out the idea of a Sisters Centurion.
But the other idea that has come to my mind has been a Sisters Cav unit like Thunderwolf cav. Only not wolves. If that's the case I want it to be mechanical Clydesdale horses.
I phrased it really badly. I got six blisters that contained the same 3 unique poses - so I had 3 poses over 18 models, six of each pose. Still, "random from 9 possible poses" my arse.
Bull0 wrote: Tangentially related, I've just started Sisters, and I bought up a load of the metal stock from GW. I got 6 of the three-model blisters, and disappointingly all 6 contained the same 3 models - all the same - so I've had to hit ebay to get enough poses to make the squads not look weird.
So, word to the wise for anyone considering doing the same thing. Scrub round GW and go straight to ebay, the price is about the same and you aren't going to get screwed over with the poses.
Is is the blister with one of the Sisters pulling a grenade pin with her teeth? Because that has been the one I've gotten the most often when I've bought blisters.
I'd say I assumed I wasn't crazy, but that'd be crazy.
Seriously though, I enjoy these topics a lot more when it's about the rumors instead of menstruation jokes, bitching about GW or people attacking each other because they don't agree with them.
I phrased it really badly. I got six blisters that contained the same 3 unique poses - so I had 3 poses over 18 models, six of each pose. Still, "random from 9 possible poses" my arse.
Yeah that's stll crazy haha.
The rage was strong, but ebay came to the rescue (and a few careful head swaps with wood elf glade guard... hard to say until they're painted up but I think it'll work)...
What was the previous Sisters rumor to this? I think it mentioned them being part of a summer campaign along with Tzeentch. And according to this that's still definitely possible which I guess is better than nothing.
As others have said, I think we might see some sort of codex and then a some plastic/resin releases spread out over a few months.
Necrosis wrote: – 3 model Sisters unit on 50mm bases kit
This one is interesting. It's not terminators cause there is only 3 of them. Maybe something new and original?
I originally tossed out the idea of "swarm" Repentia (2 to a base with 2 wounds each?) but others have tossed out the idea of a Sisters Centurion.
But the other idea that has come to my mind has been a Sisters Cav unit like Thunderwolf cav. Only not wolves. If that's the case I want it to be mechanical Clydesdale horses.
I'm hoping for something new, maybe a sister of battle holding a giant shield that has a gun in it or something. Or maybe a new type of artillery unit. Or both!
Is is the blister with one of the Sisters pulling a grenade pin with her teeth? Because that has been the one I've gotten the most often when I've bought blisters.
No, mine all contained two helmeted sisters, one holding bolter upwards, one downwards, and one unhelmeted holding bolter at the waist. x6. Felt like a real kick in the nuts. Seriously, anyone who's buying Sisters, straight to ebay, always ebay.
Necrosis wrote: – 3 model Sisters unit on 50mm bases kit
This one is interesting. It's not terminators cause there is only 3 of them. Maybe something new and original?
I originally tossed out the idea of "swarm" Repentia (2 to a base with 2 wounds each?) but others have tossed out the idea of a Sisters Centurion.
But the other idea that has come to my mind has been a Sisters Cav unit like Thunderwolf cav. Only not wolves. If that's the case I want it to be mechanical Clydesdale horses.
I'm hoping for something new, maybe a sister of battle holding a giant shield that has a gun in it or something. Or maybe a new type of artillery unit. Or both!
I considered the Arty idea, but no other Arty unit GW makes comes in a box of 3, they come in boxes of 1. Same reason I mentally tossed out the idea of a Sisters Sentinel.
Is is the blister with one of the Sisters pulling a grenade pin with her teeth? Because that has been the one I've gotten the most often when I've bought blisters.
No, mine all contained two helmeted sisters, one holding bolter upwards, one downwards, and one unhelmeted holding bolter at the waist. x6. Felt like a real kick in the nuts. Seriously, anyone who's buying Sisters, straight to ebay, always ebay.
Huh. I wonder if they're starting to run out of Battle Sisters these days.
Necrosis wrote: Alright, let us list all the units that come in a box of 3 that are 50mm base kit.
Cute. How about we just look at the kind of boxes that come in units of 3 instead, regardless of base size? I think it'd be more useful than looking at base size alone. You know, since 50mm is still pretty new.
Obliterators
Mutilators
Thunderwolf Calvary
Centurions
Meganobz/Big Mek in Mega armour
Killakanz (forgot about these honestly)
Space Marine Bikes
Dark Angels Bikes
Tomb Blades
Scout Bikes
Ork Warbikes
Windrider Jetbikes
Chaos Marine Bikers
Necron Destroyers
Reavers
Screamers of Tzeentch
EDIT: Forgot Warriors
So it seems we have 3 major categories and 1 odd outlier for things that get a 3 model box:
1. Bikes
2. Heavy Calvary/Large Beasts
3. Extra Bulky/Heavily Armoured Models (all of which are T4 or better)
4. Killakanz
My money is on it most likely being one of the first 2, but with it being a round base, I'm leaning more towards #2, especially for the base size.
ImAGeek wrote: I hope if they do a cavalry for them its either bikers or just horses. I dread to think what else they'll come up with.
Sisters riding on the shoulders of other Sisters with the bottom Sisters holding coconut halves? The accessory sprue could come with a swallow.
Seriously though, I wouldn't mind bikes or cav if they make them feel distinct enough. I'm partial to the large warhorse idea because outside of Rough Riders (who are OOP it seems) 40k hasn't really used that idea. Making them mechanical (say by putting a horse's brain into a mechanical housing servitor style) would give all the benefits of a horse with no drawbacks (no need for food, water, rest, air, and no poop!).
Plus it'd go with that Joan of Arc feel the army likes to tap into.
How about some kind of reliquary, a bit like what the bretonians got?
The rest of a saint being brought to battle, surrounded by a force field, and with tons of weapons strapped on it.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: How about some kind of reliquary, a bit like what the bretonians got?
The rest of a saint being brought to battle, surrounded by a force field, and with tons of weapons strapped on it.
If it was just one model, I could see that but the fact that it is three models makes me think other wise.
Eldarain wrote: Plastic Penitent Engines boxed like Killa Kans?
Except they listed a walker model kit separately which I'd honestly expect to be the Penitent Engine (plus whatever alternate model(s) it can build) instead.
Also Penitent Engines are a 60mm base model. I've seen GW scale bases up, but can't think of the last time they scaled them down.
Have to wonder if the 50mm bases might be slightly smaller Penitent engines, caught between Kan and Deff Dread size, and then the big kit is something new and totally over the top size wise?
ImAGeek wrote: I hope if they do a cavalry for them its either bikers or just horses. I dread to think what else they'll come up with.
Horses with bike wheels or tank treads for feet?
Plus skulls somewhere.
Although robotic steeds of some sort would be kind of cool, I doubt they'd do something so easy or normal.
Knowing GW if we get robot horses you'd have to build the skeleton separate from the outer shell so you could paint the inside detail (like the Centurion models). So forget "easy".
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Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Have to wonder if the 50mm bases might be slightly smaller Penitent engines, caught between Kan and Deff Dread size, and then the big kit is something new and totally over the top size wise?
It's not impossible, but I can't think of the last time something was scaled down in the game.
Oh I mean robot horses would be okay, because they're still horses and I agree they fit with the Joan of Arc type dealio, but I mean the Space Wolves got actual wolves, I hope they don't do something silly like that.
Aye, I generally can't eiher, but its just something that crossed my mind, focus the model on the entrapped sister, with the limbs not a great deal larger than her frame, slightly more compact and it'll fit nicely on a 50mm.
To be honest I'll take anything though, if this one is true I see two new armies in the household this year.. both SIsters for me and Aura and potentially some Dark Eldar down the road as well, as I'd need some of those Faith hunting Dark Eldar to take on her sisters.
ImAGeek wrote: Oh I mean robot horses would be okay, because they're still horses and I agree they fit with the Joan of Arc type dealio, but I mean the Space Wolves got actual wolves, I hope they don't do something silly like that.
I can't think of anything really more Sisters-ish for a steed than that unless you lashed a bunch of penitents together.
Hmm. But we do still have to consider the base size.
Attack Bikes could work, with one sister in a sidecar.
It could be a heavy weapons team.
It could be some heavily armored creation, like Terminators/Centurions, or some type of automaton.
But here's the thing. Let's look at some of the releases that have come to older factions..
Dark Eldar was really the first. The fluff stayed about the same, and most of the kits were the same too, but we saw a lot of change in aesthetic across the range. Same with Grey Knights.
Necrons were really the next big one, with their fluff changing dramatically from mindless robots to robots with a bit of personality (and more like Tomb Kings in Space). Their aesthetic didn't change, but their fluff sure did.
If Sisters of Battle do indeed get an update, I bet for one that they will look very different from what we have, and for another that their fluff is going to change. This really opens the door for things we simply can't imagine. There could be a lot of different ways they go with it.
All this guessing is pretty much shooting in the dark until we have something a little more concrete.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: To be honest I'll take anything though, if this one is true I see two new armies in the household this year.. both SIsters for me and Aura and potentially some Dark Eldar down the road as well, as I'd need some of those Faith hunting Dark Eldar to take on her sisters.
Ad mech and Sisters for me. But I know the feeling.
At least with Sisters I wouldn't need much to start playing a new army and could expand into new kits slowly.
ImAGeek wrote: Oh I mean robot horses would be okay, because they're still horses and I agree they fit with the Joan of Arc type dealio, but I mean the Space Wolves got actual wolves, I hope they don't do something silly like that.
I can't think of anything really more Sisters-ish for a steed than that unless you lashed a bunch of penitents together.
I can't either but if anyone could come up with a stupid concept for a Sisters cavalry it would be GW. But cavalry would be cool, like you say Rough Riders are the only example really, and it fits the theme.
I don't think so, unless they're replacing Retributors. I mean Power Armor is what keeps Sisters from needing 2 people to operate the heavy weapons.
drbored wrote: It could be some heavily armored creation, like Terminators/Centurions, or some type of automaton.
Automatons feels more Ad Mech to me, but yes a heavily armoured unit could be possible if given enough bulk.
drbored wrote: But here's the thing. Let's look at some of the releases that have come to older factions..
Dark Eldar was really the first. The fluff stayed about the same, and most of the kits were the same too, but we saw a lot of change in aesthetic across the range. Same with Grey Knights.
Necrons were really the next big one, with their fluff changing dramatically from mindless robots to robots with a bit of personality (and more like Tomb Kings in Space). Their aesthetic didn't change, but their fluff sure did.
If Sisters of Battle do indeed get an update, I bet for one that they will look very different from what we have, and for another that their fluff is going to change. This really opens the door for things we simply can't imagine. There could be a lot of different ways they go with it.
I can agree the look would be updated (I mean look at old DE vs current DE on how much the models improved asthetically), but I don't think fluff will change too much. Too much of a change and you get PA Storm Troopers or Diet Marines. There is a pretty fine line on what you can get away with regarding Sisters without wrecking them completely fluff wise.
drbored wrote: All this guessing is pretty much shooting in the dark until we have something a little more concrete.
True, but it's nice to actually discuss the possibilities instead of shooting them like a crippled race horse.
drbored wrote: If Sisters of Battle do indeed get an update, I bet for one that they will look very different from what we have, and for another that their fluff is going to change. This really opens the door for things we simply can't imagine. There could be a lot of different ways they go with it.
Well, the thing is: how many recent artworks was there featuring the old-aesthetic dark eldars when they released the new one? How many iconic artwork did they had?
Sisters had new artworks in Shield of Baal, and have tons of iconic artwork, so I expect them to change way less. Same for the fluff, the Necrons were really outsiders with very few links with the rest of the fluff, while Sisters have been an important part of the Imperium since 2nd edition!
drbored wrote: If Sisters of Battle do indeed get an update, I bet for one that they will look very different from what we have, and for another that their fluff is going to change. This really opens the door for things we simply can't imagine. There could be a lot of different ways they go with it.
Well, the thing is: how many recent artworks was there featuring the old-aesthetic dark eldars when they released the new one? How many iconic artwork did they had?
Sisters had new artworks in Shield of Baal, and have tons of iconic artwork, so I expect them to change way less. Same for the fluff, the Necrons were really outsiders with very few links with the rest of the fluff, while Sisters have been an important part of the Imperium since 2nd edition!
Earlier even. Honestly Sisters are one of those things that would make me but a full army from GW but it's not going to happen for 2 reasons
1. They think they won't sell because they don't sell now.
2. When I did have sources that were close to the design team Nobody, Nobody wanted to touch them.
drbored wrote: If Sisters of Battle do indeed get an update, I bet for one that they will look very different from what we have, and for another that their fluff is going to change. This really opens the door for things we simply can't imagine. There could be a lot of different ways they go with it.
Well, the thing is: how many recent artworks was there featuring the old-aesthetic dark eldars when they released the new one? How many iconic artwork did they had?
Sisters had new artworks in Shield of Baal, and have tons of iconic artwork, so I expect them to change way less. Same for the fluff, the Necrons were really outsiders with very few links with the rest of the fluff, while Sisters have been an important part of the Imperium since 2nd edition!
Earlier even. Honestly Sisters are one of those things that would make me but a full army from GW but it's not going to happen for 2 reasons
1. They think they won't sell because they don't sell now.
2. When I did have sources that were close to the design team Nobody, Nobody wanted to touch them.
Funny because Phil Kelly has shown an interest in them (and wrote their Shield of Baal fluff), and Jes Goodwin mentioned a couple years ago he wanted to work on the models.
Basically things change.
Also with a rules team it looks less like individual authors get to dictate updates now.
migooo wrote: 1. They think they won't sell because they don't sell now.
Not quite true. Their digital codex sold quite well, getting to a top spot on at least the German iBooks (and this is besides the sales on Black Library).
Granted, it's not model sales, but given the current state of the SoB models, I think them not selling too great is understandable.
ClockworkZion wrote: Funny because Phil Kelly has shown an interest in them (and wrote their Shield of Baal fluff), and Jes Goodwin mentioned a couple years ago he wanted to work on the models.
Robin Cruddace also said that he likes them, and IIRC Kelly said there's a few other developers within GW that mained them.
Hmmm... 3 unit box? I'm calling it. Dual kit with Arco-flagellants / Mini Penitent Engine. They can even make them cavalry unit to separate them further from Repentias. But who am I kidding they'll be awful like Mutilators. I'd still get them though as long as they looked cool. Also, at least one of the characters has to be an Imperial Priest mini. Hey, if they really are discontinuing some of the WF Empire models, maybe they can straight port the Empire Flagellant kit over to sisters.
Regardless, when they come I will by Sisters no matter the cost. They even have their own savings account setup. Of course its been accruing interest for a very long time now. So, here hoping right?
As cool as it would be to finally see some plastic Sisters, I think that we are as likely to see a relaunch of Necromunda or Mordheim, or even the rumored plastic Inquisition retinue box before that happens.
I've been seeing rumors off and on of plastic Sisters since before the Dark Eldar 5th edition release (for almost as long as those rumors persisted as well), and not a thing has come from it.
GW will probably just replace Sisters with another boring SM chapter.
I distinctly recall this same rumor popping up last year. While I want to believe it is based on more than wishful thinking, I can't help wondering: What lends this rumor any more credibility than it had in years prior?
Hive City Dweller wrote: I distinctly recall this same rumor popping up last year. While I want to believe it is based on more than wishful thinking, I can't help wondering: What lends this rumor any more credibility than it had in years prior?
I don't recall BoLS claiming anything about model kits and what kind of models are in them. I could be wrong.
Hive City Dweller wrote: I distinctly recall this same rumor popping up last year. While I want to believe it is based on more than wishful thinking, I can't help wondering: What lends this rumor any more credibility than it had in years prior?
I don't recall BoLS claiming anything about model kits and what kind of models are in them. I could be wrong.
I'm referencing the general "plastic sisters incoming" rumor that gets circulated ever so often. I've lurked around dakka even before I joined and I know I've seen it here.
Hive City Dweller wrote: I distinctly recall this same rumor popping up last year. While I want to believe it is based on more than wishful thinking, I can't help wondering: What lends this rumor any more credibility than it had in years prior?
I don't recall BoLS claiming anything about model kits and what kind of models are in them. I could be wrong.
I'm referencing the general "plastic sisters incoming" rumor that gets circulated ever so often. I've lurked around dakka even before I joined and I know I've seen it here.
"Incoming" is the wrong word for this batch, but frankly "plastic sisters" is always going to be mentioned anytime their are model rumors since 99% of the faction involves metal models.
pretre wrote: Plastic sisters have been a rumor since I started in 98 or so.
And have they ever mentioned specific model counts per kit before? Or base sizes?
Well I didn't start back that long ago, but I remember when I started Warhammer 40k back in 2008 plastic sisters of battle were always a rumor that would pop up time and time agien. Everytime their would be dates and other spefics offered but never happen. These new rumors realy aren't that diffrent in level of detail then anything that came before them.
For me after 7 years I'm prety jaded of the idea of sisters ever getting a plastic box set.
Not to mention that for me every time I ever heard of these rumours, was followed by being referred to read or linked to a BolS article. So it makes me double jaded at ever seeing it happen.
ClockworkZion wrote: Not as much as you want pretend. But sure, whatever floats your pretty little paddleboat.
Grammatical errors aside, I presume you only replied to maintain the "Every second post in any given thread must be from ClockworkZion" quota, yes?
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: How about some kind of reliquary, a bit like what the bretonians got?
The rest of a saint being brought to battle, surrounded by a force field, and with tons of weapons strapped on it.
Hmm... given what's been happening in Ye Olde Warhammer World, I don't think you want the Sisters emulating the Brettonians. "Be careful what you wish for" applies quite heavily here.
It's crazy to me that this seems to be such a sought after product and GW have not delivered it to their customers. I mean, 4 measly dual kits could get this force on solid ground and it sounds by all indications that plenty of people will commit to buying them.
pretre wrote: Plastic sisters have been a rumor since I started in 98 or so.
And have they ever mentioned specific model counts per kit before? Or base sizes?
Well I didn't start back that long ago, but I remember when I started Warhammer 40k back in 2008 plastic sisters of battle were always a rumor that would pop up time and time agien. Everytime their would be dates and other spefics offered but never happen. These new rumors realy aren't that diffrent in level of detail then anything that came before them.
For me after 7 years I'm prety jaded of the idea of sisters ever getting a plastic box set.
Not to mention that for me every time I ever heard of these rumours, was followed by being referred to read or linked to a BolS article. So it makes me double jaded at ever seeing it happen.
Hive City Dweller wrote: I distinctly recall this same rumor popping up last year. While I want to believe it is based on more than wishful thinking, I can't help wondering: What lends this rumor any more credibility than it had in years prior?
I don't recall BoLS claiming anything about model kits and what kind of models are in them. I could be wrong.
They have to add something each time or everyone figures out they are just cut and pasting
ClockworkZion wrote:I can agree the look would be updated (I mean look at old DE vs current DE on how much the models improved asthetically), but I don't think fluff will change too much. Too much of a change and you get PA Storm Troopers or Diet Marines. There is a pretty fine line on what you can get away with regarding Sisters without wrecking them completely fluff wise.
Iron Hands. Black Templars. Their fans may not have any happy endings for you on that count. I'd add in Space Wolves, but their fans seem blissfully unaware of the tragedy that has befallen them.
pretre wrote: Plastic sisters have been a rumor since I started in 98 or so.
And have they ever mentioned specific model counts per kit before? Or base sizes?
At least once or twice...
Fair enough. I was just honestly curious if it'd come up before. The first batch of Sisters rumors I ever saw involved claims that one head sculpt wore a wimple, but never talked about kit contents or anything.
ClockworkZion wrote:I can agree the look would be updated (I mean look at old DE vs current DE on how much the models improved asthetically), but I don't think fluff will change too much. Too much of a change and you get PA Storm Troopers or Diet Marines. There is a pretty fine line on what you can get away with regarding Sisters without wrecking them completely fluff wise.
Iron Hands. Black Templars. Their fans may not have any happy endings for you on that count. I'd add in Space Wolves, but their fans seem blissfully unaware of the tragedy that has befallen them.
Space Marines are Space Marines are Space Marines. It just depends if you want Cherry, Vanilla, Classic or Root Beer flavors. The point was that Sisters can't stray to far away from their fluff or they lose their only real reason to exist as a playable faction: to be a middle ground between Marines and Guard on the table for the Imperium.
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VorpalBunny74 wrote: Has the plastic Horus Heresy rumour been killed? I had high hopes
Not killed, it's just not in May. Rumors put it a bit of a ways out (6+ months), but there isn't a solid date being thrown around yet.
Id like to tell the sisters fans to go home or stay on topic, but realize its actually one of the sob threads this time
Seriously though, if there is a 50mm 3 model box, Im betting on dual kit arcoflagellants/superflagellant, like someone mentioned.
Sounds like the kind of thing GW designers would love to design these days.
(edit: including a new flagellant weapon superior to old models, in case someone has a flagellant army around)
a) 5-model combo-unit Sisters infantry kit
b) 3 model Sisters unit on 50mm bases kit
c) 5 model Sisters unit on 32mm bases kit (different from the infantry unit listed above)
d) Sororitas combo unit vehicle kit “A” kit
e) Sororitas combo unit vehicle kit “B” kit
f) Sororitas Walker/Monstrous Creature vehicle kit
g) 3 clampack Sororitas characters
a) bog standard set of 5 Sisters, HB, HF, MM; SB, flamer, melta; standard, VSS head w/ PW & Eviscerator.
b) Penitent Engine 2-in-1; same sprue layout as Sentinels, and also makes some sort of Rifleman
c) Seraphim, of course
d) NEW Flyer / Skimmer 2-in-1 kit with Sister pilot
e) Exorcist / AA 2-in-1 kit
f) NEW Dreadknight kit with a regular Sister pilot
g) Special Chracters
No Repentia, as those models are hideous and need to be completely reconcepted.
JohnHwangDD wrote: No Repentia, as those models are hideous and need to be completely reconcepted.
I've said it before, but a good approach to take with the Repentia would be to swap the current, dedicated uniform with torn tabards over their usual under-armour bodyglove. Wearing a subset of a Sister's usual kit would do a better job of conveying that they are unfit to wear the uniform of the Sisters of Battle (the power armour) than following it up with "...and here's your bondage gear."
Bull0 wrote: I definitely got the sense you guys were piling on ClockworkZion when I read this earlier, for what it's worth. Maybe you should all leave eachother alone for once.
Always appreciate it when someone proves I'm not crazy by pointing out that I'm not the only one seeing it happen.
Seriously, I post in N&R to talk about the rumors, not people's jokes, nor their hyperbole about GW, or their random ideas of what I actually think so I have no complaints to being left alone if it means we can focus on the actual topic on hand instead of all the random bullgak that gets drudged up instead.
I kinda liked the yellow comments between the Rumours, it was clear. I'd choose another colour though, cause the only annoying part about it was the eye pain
Not sure why this turned into a little verbal fist fight but i've seen nothing constructive out of this.
Eldarain wrote: Plastic Penitent Engines boxed like Killa Kans?
Except they listed a walker model kit separately which I'd honestly expect to be the Penitent Engine (plus whatever alternate model(s) it can build) instead.
Also Penitent Engines are a 60mm base model. I've seen GW scale bases up, but can't think of the last time they scaled them down.
Plastic penitents on 50mm in 3s did come to my mind. The only thing against it, as you say, is how they are mentioned separately in the "f) Sororitas Walker/Monstrous Creature vehicle kit "
Although, they could really do an Ork-style set: 3 Mini-penits on 50mm (a scaled down of the current) and the 1 big Max-penit Kit. Throne of Judgement comes to mind.... It would also match GW's current "everyone gets a MC or giant Walker" trend. Current Penitents (updated) might be too weak for the "new thrash-you-all Monstrous Creature style".
Having the current Penitents work as the 3 Mini-penits would also "Force" you to buy the "Maxi-Kit", cause you know that they want you to buy that one, and not stand-in your current models for it....
Hive City Dweller wrote: I distinctly recall this same rumor popping up last year. While I want to believe it is based on more than wishful thinking, I can't help wondering: What lends this rumor any more credibility than it had in years prior?
This rumour has been popping up for at least 3-4 years people always say towards the end of year x or beginning of the following one. That's why I'm very suspicious of this one.
migooo wrote: This rumour has been popping up for at least 3-4 years people always say towards the end of year x or beginning of the following one. That's why I'm very suspicious of this one.
It's the 'boy who cried wolf' problem. We've heard Sisters rumours so often, each one building upon the last, that it's difficult to take 'em seriously.
The red dates thing - it could be different countries have different policies on this. So "no such thing as red days" may be just as valid as "there are red days" from a rumour point of view, but only applicable to the US or the UK respectively for example.
JohnHwangDD wrote: No Repentia, as those models are hideous and need to be completely reconcepted.
I've said it before, but a good approach to take with the Repentia would be to swap the current, dedicated uniform with torn tabards over their usual under-armour bodyglove. Wearing a subset of a Sister's usual kit would do a better job of conveying that they are unfit to wear the uniform of the Sisters of Battle (the power armour) than following it up with "...and here's your bondage gear."
I always preferred the original (as far as I'm aware) concept of the Repentia as laid out in a Citadel Journal.
They were first envisaged as more of a lone wolf, free roaming penitent. The first representation was a converted Escher ganger with bolt pistol with additional armour bits glued on.
Just my opinion but far superior to a gang of whip driven, barely clothed nutters with big swords.
Hive City Dweller wrote: It's crazy to me that this seems to be such a sought after product and GW have not delivered it to their customers. I mean, 4 measly dual kits could get this force on solid ground and it sounds by all indications that plenty of people will commit to buying them.
What seems really strange to me is that no third party makers ever jumped on the opportunity (until Raging Heroes, very recently, to actually ship in a couple of years allowing for the usual insane KS over-optimism). But it's been all notGuard and notMarines, all the time.
For all GW's talk about inventing skulls and grenade launchers, the Sisters are actually pretty specific to them. Armed nuns not so much, but the look of the sisters is fairly unique.
H.B.M.C. wrote: For all GW's talk about inventing skulls and grenade launchers, the Sisters are actually pretty specific to them. Armed nuns not so much, but the look of the sisters is fairly unique.
H.B.M.C. wrote: For all GW's talk about inventing skulls and grenade launchers, the Sisters are actually pretty specific to them. Armed nuns not so much, but the look of the sisters is fairly unique.
No more so than Marines, surely? That hasn't stopped dozens of ranges of "space knights" from popping up.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Have to wonder if the 50mm bases might be slightly smaller Penitent engines, caught between Kan and Deff Dread size, and then the big kit is something new and totally over the top size wise?
It's not impossible, but I can't think of the last time something was scaled down in the game.
The Gorkanaut is a scaled down Stompa OR a scaled up deffdread, depending on your point of view.
Would the Sisters have any Ogrin Type or Sized Xenos in their employment? Would we see something new? Like new-new? The Heldrake didn't exist until it did. Same with the Centurions and the Gorkanauts. It isn't out of the realm of possibilities.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Have to wonder if the 50mm bases might be slightly smaller Penitent engines, caught between Kan and Deff Dread size, and then the big kit is something new and totally over the top size wise?
It's not impossible, but I can't think of the last time something was scaled down in the game.
The Gorkanaut is a scaled down Stompa OR a scaled up deffdread, depending on your point of view.
Would the Sisters have any Ogrin Type or Sized Xenos in their employment? Would we see something new? Like new-new? The Heldrake didn't exist until it did. Same with the Centurions and the Gorkanauts. It isn't out of the realm of possibilities.
Of course, but i'd flip that idea: the 50mm bases is just the current Penitent Engines. With the "Monstrous Creature / Walker" being the actual "New Kit"
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Have to wonder if the 50mm bases might be slightly smaller Penitent engines, caught between Kan and Deff Dread size, and then the big kit is something new and totally over the top size wise?
It's not impossible, but I can't think of the last time something was scaled down in the game.
The Gorkanaut is a scaled down Stompa OR a scaled up deffdread, depending on your point of view.
Would the Sisters have any Ogrin Type or Sized Xenos in their employment? Would we see something new? Like new-new? The Heldrake didn't exist until it did. Same with the Centurions and the Gorkanauts. It isn't out of the realm of possibilities.
“Blessed is the simple mind, for it is easily filled with faith” There are some older bits of fluff, I think from when they introduced Ogrins or commisars, about how much the ogrins love the Emperor. I could see them bringing them to the army as a holy henchmen. I wouldn’t like it, as it’s out of place unless they go back to a more mixed eclisiarchy list, but I could see GW doing what it takes to justify a larger kit.
kronk wrote: Would the Sisters have any Ogrin Type or Sized Xenos in their employment?
Absolutely not.
Nevelon wrote: “Blessed is the simple mind, for it is easily filled with faith” There are some older bits of fluff, I think from when they introduced Ogrins or commisars, about how much the ogrins love the Emperor. I could see them bringing them to the army as a holy henchmen.
I disagree with that. The Sisters of Battle should be about True Faith, not just some halfwit who easily falls into Emperor worship because he doesn't know any better and would just as easily fall out of it.
I just realised she was using a Squig as a pom-pom. Heh!
Elemental wrote: No more so than Marines, surely? That hasn't stopped dozens of ranges of "space knights" from popping up.
I'd argue yes. Futuristic army men in power armour isn't anything new. A religious Sorority of armoured women with that specific styling (the prominent fleur de lis, the braziers, and so on), that's GW's and GW's alone.
I was going to mention the hair, but my Aunt had that exact hair-cut for years so whenever I looked at Sisters all I saw were rows and rows of my Aunt!
I think it is worth noting that, as far as I can recall, there hasn't quite been a cluster of SoB rumours like this before. Previously, it's mostly been unreliable or unknown sources popping up and saying that plastic Sisters are soon. This time, it seems that the rumours are more consistent, and at least two of them are coming from seemingly reliable sources.
If anyone can point to another time like this then fair enough, but I have a fairly good knowledge of the SoB rumours, and I can't recall anything quite like this. I'll also acknowledge that, sure, these rumours aren't absolute proof or anything. But they seem better than the ones before.
bubber wrote: So no news of the Militia returning then?
Sisters need canon-fodder!
Hmm... a box of generic civilian-esque troops armed with basic slug-throwers (lasguns/pistols, autoguns/pistols, shotguns, the odd basic bigger gun like flamers or stubbers). Wouldn't that be fantastic.
a) 5-model combo-unit Sisters infantry kit
b) 3 model Sisters unit on 50mm bases kit
c) 5 model Sisters unit on 32mm bases kit (different from the infantry unit listed above)
d) Sororitas combo unit vehicle kit “A” kit
e) Sororitas combo unit vehicle kit “B” kit
f) Sororitas Walker/Monstrous Creature vehicle kit
g) 3 clampack Sororitas characters
a) bog standard set of 5 Sisters, HB, HF, MM; SB, flamer, melta; standard, VSS head w/ PW & Eviscerator.
b) Penitent Engine 2-in-1; same sprue layout as Sentinels, and also makes some sort of Rifleman
c) Seraphim, of course
d) NEW Flyer / Skimmer 2-in-1 kit with Sister pilot
e) Exorcist / AA 2-in-1 kit
f) NEW Dreadknight kit with a regular Sister pilot
g) Special Chracters
No Repentia, as those models are hideous and need to be completely reconcepted.
So, going with GW practices...
a) Will somehow manage to be more expensive than a bog standard set of 5 currently in metal/resin. And considering the average cost of a squad breaches the £50 mark for 10 this will indeed be something.
b) Sentinel with upgrade sprue c) Will also manage to be somehow more expensive.
d) Can you say upgrade sprue the return? e) You get a Whirlwind....with an upgrade sprue.
f) Milk the sprue.
g) Will cost twice as much as metal SOB characters despite being in plastic.
bubber wrote: So no news of the Militia returning then?
Sisters need canon-fodder!
Hmm... a box of generic civilian-esque troops armed with basic slug-throwers (lasguns/pistols, autoguns/pistols, shotguns, the odd basic bigger gun like flamers or stubbers). Wouldn't that be fantastic.
It'll never happen.
Considering how many redemptionists I still have? Oh man, would I love to have them back in the codex.
Plastic sisters, the rumor that won't die. I'm betting it's still just that, a rumor.
Personally I've always hated SoB with passion, and hope the range ultimately gets squatted. But on the off-chance these rumors have a grain of truth to them, I'll be happy if the Repentias have been knocked off the roster for good.
Olgerth Istaarn wrote: Plastic sisters, the rumor that won't die. I'm betting it's still just that, a rumor.
Personally I've always hated SoB with passion, and hope the range ultimately gets squatted. But on the off-chance these rumors have a grain of truth to them, I'll be happy if the Repentias have been knocked off the roster for good.
Well aren't we all sunshine and rainbows...
And this is exactly why we won't get sisters because GW listen to people like you. Hope you will like new ubermarines space marines in armour, within a tank within another suit of armour
Olgerth Istaarn wrote: Plastic sisters, the rumor that won't die. I'm betting it's still just that, a rumor.
Personally I've always hated SoB with passion, and hope the range ultimately gets squatted. But on the off-chance these rumors have a grain of truth to them, I'll be happy if the Repentias have been knocked off the roster for good.
Well aren't we all sunshine and rainbows...
And this is exactly why we won't get sisters because GW listen to people like you. Hope you will like new ubermarines space marines in armour, within a tank within another suit of armour
There's your mistake right there. GW don't listen to fans, whether they want a product or don't want a product. GW will get around to making Sisters when they've exhausted basically every idea they can think of, which means that there is a decent chance that Sisters are on the horizon with everything being up-to-date as it is and starting a new rules cycle a potentially suicidal move for 40k. But if they do make Sisters, none of us will have played a role in influencing the decision.
The idea someone mentioned about Repentia being more like Lone Wolves is something I can definitely get behind. Leave the frothing cannon fodder mobs to the zealots, and make Repentia something of actual value...I get that they're repentant, but throwing them literally into gunfire to just die in droves seems a bit silly for soldiers that have had such investment of resources.
Olgerth Istaarn wrote: Plastic sisters, the rumor that won't die. I'm betting it's still just that, a rumor.
Plastic SoB Rumor, 2001: http://www.warrealm.iwarp.com/rumors.html
That's great news! I can't wait for spring 2002.....
Andy Chambers said it too. Back when rumors came from the studio...
I'm guessing that was before the plastic casting issues started. I've got my fingers crossed that that is legitimately sorted and things are finally on their way.
Description
Tactical squads are the most numerous in a chapter and form the backbone of a fighting force. As their name suggests they are highly flexible having the tactical adaptability to deal with virtually any foe. Armed primarily with the holy bolter, some squad members carry more specialised weapons such as the plasma or meltagun.
These models have been specially designed to push-fit together and do not require glue for assembly. Ideal for adding additional models to a unit or for trying out new colour schemes, these are especially suitable for those new to modelling.
This box set contains three plastic Space Marines armed with bolters. Models supplied with 25mm round bases.
What I find most depressing about these Sisters rumors...
Once the new line hits, (whether this year or next or whenever), it will end up meaning that Chaos Marines will have become the outright gakkiest & most neglected model line in 40k.
Description
Tactical squads are the most numerous in a chapter and form the backbone of a fighting force. As their name suggests they are highly flexible having the tactical adaptability to deal with virtually any foe. Armed primarily with the holy bolter, some squad members carry more specialised weapons such as the plasma or meltagun.
These models have been specially designed to push-fit together and do not require glue for assembly. Ideal for adding additional models to a unit or for trying out new colour schemes, these are especially suitable for those new to modelling.
This box set contains three plastic Space Marines armed with bolters. Models supplied with 25mm round bases.
A Combat Squad box was the one with 5 marines in it, aka half a Tactical Squad set.
a) 5-model combo-unit Sisters infantry kit
b) 3 model Sisters unit on 50mm bases kit
c) 5 model Sisters unit on 32mm bases kit (different from the infantry unit listed above)
d) Sororitas combo unit vehicle kit “A” kit
e) Sororitas combo unit vehicle kit “B” kit
f) Sororitas Walker/Monstrous Creature vehicle kit
g) 3 clampack Sororitas characters
a) bog standard set of 5 Sisters, HB, HF, MM; SB, flamer, melta; standard, VSS head w/ PW & Eviscerator.
b) Penitent Engine 2-in-1; same sprue layout as Sentinels, and also makes some sort of Rifleman
c) Seraphim, of course
d) NEW Flyer / Skimmer 2-in-1 kit with Sister pilot
e) Exorcist / AA 2-in-1 kit
f) NEW Dreadknight kit with a regular Sister pilot
g) Special Chracters
No Repentia, as those models are hideous and need to be completely reconcepted.
So, going with GW practices...
a) Will somehow manage to be more expensive than a bog standard set of 5 currently in metal/resin. And considering the average cost of a squad breaches the £50 mark for 10 this will indeed be something.
b) Sentinel with upgrade sprue c) Will also manage to be somehow more expensive.
d) Can you say upgrade sprue the return? e) You get a Whirlwind....with an upgrade sprue.
f) Milk the sprue.
g) Will cost twice as much as metal SOB characters despite being in plastic.
I have so much faith for this release.
If upgrade sprues for Rhinos, Whirlwinds, Sentinels and Dreadknights are what it takes for Sisters to get plastic Immolators, Exorcists, Pengines & a Knight - bring on the upgrade sprues!
And no, it's not unreasonable. Also, the metal Pengine is oversized - make it Sentinel-sized (which really isn't that small), and add the Dreadknight-class model - at least it would be something NEW!
There's your mistake right there. GW don't listen to fans, whether they want a product or don't want a product. GW will get around to making Sisters when they've exhausted basically every idea they can think of, which means that there is a decent chance that Sisters are on the horizon with everything being up-to-date as it is and starting a new rules cycle a potentially suicidal move for 40k.
There's your mistake right there. GW don't listen to fans, whether they want a product or don't want a product. GW will get around to making Sisters when they've exhausted basically every idea they can think of, which means that there is a decent chance that Sisters are on the horizon with everything being up-to-date as it is and starting a new rules cycle a potentially suicidal move for 40k.
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Your right.
So basically after they release a ton of AdMech, Eldar and finish destroying WFB then they might do Sisters?
There's your mistake right there. GW don't listen to fans, whether they want a product or don't want a product. GW will get around to making Sisters when they've exhausted basically every idea they can think of, which means that there is a decent chance that Sisters are on the horizon with everything being up-to-date as it is and starting a new rules cycle a potentially suicidal move for 40k.
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Your right.
So basically after they release a ton of AdMech, Eldar and finish destroying WFB then they might do Sisters?
All this talk of ogryns has got me thinking - the existing forge world ogryn charonites might make good penitent engine stand-ins? Just daub them in some bling?
I really enjoyed pinning my Penitent Engine. Ended up pinning the central join both vertically (out the top of the ball joint & into the torso), and vertically (from the back of the torso, under the engine, through to the same ball joint). Did the same on the 'hip' joints, drilled straight through, pinned & green stuffed the legs. Had it a year or so now & it hasn't so much as wobbled once!
I glanced through the whole thread relatively quickly, so I may have missed it/ it may have been suggested already, but you don't think they'd use the 50MM base-3 model unit to do a Sisters version Special Character ala Logan Grimnar do you? I'm not sure I'd want a Sisters Sleigh, but I never really put anything past 'em. I mean, I'd take the Repentia Swarm idea (as unlikely as that is) or a heavy weapons unit any day, but Logans silly sleigh.... maybe, but only if it honestly looked really cool and didn't have that same 'feel' to it.
Also, thanks for posting up the details Clockwork, I was happy to see it even if we don't know how accurate the rumors are. Certainly gives me something to think about.
The worst that could happen is a new uglier, super expensive, super limiting, 40k-end-times-ushering, fluff-inverting, marine-replacing, GW-destroying plastic Sisters release.
Wouldn't have to buy the models and could just wait a decade for another revamp attempt.
I would be over the moon if SoB finally got a proper update with plastic/new kits.
Presumably if there's a new unit, we'll be getting a new, hopefully hardback dex.
Anyone have any thought on what might happen to the ecclesiarchy elements, looks like priests will be staying but I wonder if the new unit could be related to that rather than a new Sisters unit...
From what I see this might actually be your lucky chance, SoBs (man, that acronym...). With all other dexes up to speed and GW starting to releasing all sorts of exotic stuff (Harlequins, Mechanicus, Khorne-monoforce) it might actually mean that the sisters will see some love.
Pretty much the ONLY thing that would get me back into 40K is updated Sisters with quality models. I was so excited when I bought that issue of White Dwarf way back in the day and saw the very first Sisters of Battle models, and I've been waiting ever since then for the army to get the attention and treatment it deserves.
If these rumors are for real, I really hope that the releases focus on the Sisters themselves. I like priests (and love the old missionary models), but my interest in the army revolves around the Sisters, not militia, Imperial Guard add on units, Inquisitors, Assassins, penitent engines, or anything else. The 3rd edition codex felt like a slap in the face to me. After waiting so many years for more Sisters, getting a codex stuffed full of stuff I wasn't interested in while the actual Sisters seemed like an after thought was just painful.
The worst that could happen is a new uglier, super expensive, super limiting, 40k-end-times-ushering, fluff-inverting, marine-replacing, GW-destroying plastic Sisters release.
Wouldn't have to buy the models and could just wait a decade for another revamp attempt.
Well to go with the prevailing wishlisting that goes with every SoB "in plastic" rumor.
They could get a new codex that rips everything good in our codex to shreds, drops a new kit for an old unit that was subpar, but the new dex makes it worse. Then drops in a new kit for a new unit that completely destroys the feel of the army so many of us really do enjoy. Then proceed to make that one new kit that looks a bit like a hotdog restaurant mascot into the only way to play sisters competitively.
Throw in a sister psyker, give the faith rules a nerf disguised as a well intentioned rework. Then the only thing left out would be to jack up the prices on the kits we already have to match the scale of our new hotdog mascot unit.
If you put any stock in this rumor, buy your rhino/immo kits now. They will be going up in price if/when/maybe/yeah right whatever they do get an update.
I don't want new lightweight figs just to make me replace the stuff I have. I would rather have some dataslates or faq's to fix the broken units we already have then play codex roulette all over again.
The worst that could happen is a new uglier, super expensive, super limiting, 40k-end-times-ushering, fluff-inverting, marine-replacing, GW-destroying plastic Sisters release.
Wouldn't have to buy the models and could just wait a decade for another revamp attempt.
Well to go with the prevailing wishlisting that goes with every SoB "in plastic" rumor.
They could get a new codex that rips everything good in our codex to shreds, drops a new kit for an old unit that was subpar, but the new dex makes it worse. Then drops in a new kit for a new unit that completely destroys the feel of the army so many of us really do enjoy. Then proceed to make that one new kit that looks a bit like a hotdog restaurant mascot into the only way to play sisters competitively.
Throw in a sister psyker, give the faith rules a nerf disguised as a well intentioned rework. Then the only thing left out would be to jack up the prices on the kits we already have to match the scale of our new hotdog mascot unit.
If you put any stock in this rumor, buy your rhino/immo kits now. They will be going up in price if/when/maybe/yeah right whatever they do get an update.
I don't want new lightweight figs just to make me replace the stuff I have. I would rather have some dataslates or faq's to fix the broken units we already have then play codex roulette all over again.
Exalted.
As someone who plays Orks and Grey Knights, the 7th Edition updates did nothing but strip out options (Grey Knights) or shoe-horn in ugly and/or ridiculously expensive models into a list that simply needed some tweaks to bring it current with the times (Orks). I hope I'm wrong with Sisters, but I dread any update to the models or the codex. Be careful what you wish for...
I stopped wishing for anything a long time ago personally. I just anticipate the inevitable update and keep my fingers crossed that it isn't too awful.
This is not a rumour, but what would benefit the army, in my opinion, is this:
5 woman with special weapons sprue.
5 woman with heavy weapons sprue.
- These would cover the three basic infantry squads - put one of each in a Battle Sisters box, and sell pairs of one or the other direct only for Dominion and Retributor squads.
5 woman Repentia sprue.
- With the new, improved look I suggested earlier in the thread.
Plastic Exorcist.
- Can serve both anti-air and anti-tank roles.
Plastic Repressor.
- Sisters like short-ranged firefights, so having a transport they can shoot from is preferred. Plus, you'd have it on hand for a future Arbites mini-release.
Canoness/Celestian upgrade sprue.
- An upgrade sprue for the Battle Sisters box, with a complete Canoness and enough bits to turn the Battle Sisters into Celestians.
It occurred to me just now, that back when I first saw them, there were Death Cultists that I thought looked really cool, but I don't know what happened to them in the interim when I wasn't playing. In fact I can't even remember if those were part of Sisters, or if that was something in that first Inquisitor style Codex.
In any case, any chance we'd see those again? I'm still trying to imagine up things for that 50mm Base.
Phyrekzhogos wrote: It occurred to me just now, that back when I first saw them, there were Death Cultists that I thought looked really cool, but I don't know what happened to them in the interim when I wasn't playing. In fact I can't even remember if those were part of Sisters, or if that was something in that first Inquisitor style Codex.
In any case, any chance we'd see those again? I'm still trying to imagine up things for that 50mm Base.
Both Daemon and Witch Hunters had them, they're still found in the =I= codex, not sure about the current Sisters' book.
Phyrekzhogos wrote: It occurred to me just now, that back when I first saw them, there were Death Cultists that I thought looked really cool, but I don't know what happened to them in the interim when I wasn't playing. In fact I can't even remember if those were part of Sisters, or if that was something in that first Inquisitor style Codex.
In any case, any chance we'd see those again? I'm still trying to imagine up things for that 50mm Base.
Both Daemon and Witch Hunters had them, they're still found in the =I= codex, not sure about the current Sisters' book.
DCA are part of the Ecclesiarchy Battle Conclave, but on the website they're only under the Inquisition, but the URL says Grey Knights.
As much as I'd love to see it happen, I think I'm still with Lords of Wargaming on this one.
Lords of War Gaming
February 16 ·
People waiting for Sisters are going to be disappointed..
Lords of War Gaming Sisters of Battle are not coming out this year.
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Lords of War Gaming 9th Ed Fantasy, new 40k campaign stater, a couple of one off 40k board games, etc..
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All these rumor sites said Sisters of Battle in May and now it's Horus Heresy plastics. I wonder what they will say next?
So, still nothing new here? I guess we'll rather see the sisters of Silence before GW comes around with new SoB models. Though, since they ARE releasing mechanicus, nothing's off the table anymore I guess.
Kosake wrote: So, still nothing new here? I guess we'll rather see the sisters of Silence before GW comes around with new SoB models. Though, since they ARE releasing mechanicus, nothing's off the table anymore I guess.
Well, with Knights, AdMech, whatnot... they're running out of fluff to market.
Kosake wrote: So, still nothing new here? I guess we'll rather see the sisters of Silence before GW comes around with new SoB models. Though, since they ARE releasing mechanicus, nothing's off the table anymore I guess.
Well, with Knights, AdMech, whatnot... they're running out of fluff to market.
Sisters have to come some day.
Coming soon!
Dark Mechanicus!
Traitor Guard!
Legion books for Chaos Marines!
Ork Freebootas!
Kroot!
Demiurg!
6 new Space Marine supplements!
Seriously though, GW has been running wild with the unexpected and I won't expect Sisters to be something until we see them in the WD leaks showing new models. Sure, I want the rumors to be true, but I just don't expect them to be true.
Hurd/Space Skaven! ....no wait I WANT that one..^-^;
If they do release Sisters, my Blood Tigers Space Marines will go to swap in the blink of an eye. And my Chaos Army might follow. The only keeping me from Sisters is the asinine price for their current models. And a codex found only in WD.
Well that'd be nice if I had an e Reader. I thought the one in the WD was this book though?
That said, I want a physical book, I can trade stuff for. Or at least if I get the money to buy the book, I can have it in hand when the power goes out.
KingmanHighborn wrote: Well that'd be nice if I had an e Reader. I thought the one in the WD was this book though?
That said, I want a physical book, I can trade stuff for. Or at least if I get the money to buy the book, I can have it in hand when the power goes out.
You can open the BL on your PC, you'll just need a program that can read epubs (there are free ones online). You can also print the BL one for personal use (it's in the purchasing agreement).
Kosake wrote: So, still nothing new here? I guess we'll rather see the sisters of Silence before GW comes around with new SoB models. Though, since they ARE releasing mechanicus, nothing's off the table anymore I guess.
Well, with Knights, AdMech, whatnot... they're running out of fluff to market.
Sisters have to come some day.
Coming soon!
Dark Mechanicus!
Traitor Guard!
Legion books for Chaos Marines!
Ork Freebootas!
Kroot!
Demiurg!
6 new Space Marine supplements!
Seriously though, GW has been running wild with the unexpected and I won't expect Sisters to be something until we see them in the WD leaks showing new models. Sure, I want the rumors to be true, but I just don't expect them to be true.
Missed Genestealer Cult in that list, along with the Ork Klanz, and the Eldar Craftworlds...
Yeah, 'cause that joke hasn't been run into the ground or anything.
Not yet it hasn't.
Don't worry, when you get them they'll be in FinerCast, cost six times as much and require you to buy the new "Citadel Modeling Kit" which will consist of a gumball sized orb of pre-mixed greenstuff for the low price of $25.50. I hear it'll be exclusive to Australia and New Zealand.
It doesn't sound like Sisters are anywhere on the horizon (the horizon being anything this year). But at least the new Skitarii demonstrate that robes can be modeled in plastic effectively, which I know was the big hurdle GW sculptors had mentioned previously.
Guess it just seems like GW just doesn't want to make Sisters, considering they're now being supplanted by factions that haven't been present since 2nd edition.
IIRC, that is supposedly a specific timeframe in which GW store employees cannot be absent. Usually means a major product release.
Clarification: It's a date where employees are strongly discouraged from taking time off.
Rumored to not even exist, even by some GW employees, the mysterious 'Red Dates' seem to be most prevalent during the summertime when kids get out of school for a period of time and the chance to bring in new players over summer vacation is at its height. These dates may also coincide with Fiscal Year wrap-up, which means it's no surprise that GW releases some of their biggest stuff in the early Spring and Summer in order to make as much money as possible before their Accounts have to declare numbers for that year. New editions of games, Space Marine codices, and others are most often released during these periods of time.
Accolade wrote: It doesn't sound like Sisters are anywhere on the horizon (the horizon being anything this year). But at least the new Skitarii demonstrate that robes can be modeled in plastic effectively, which I know was the big hurdle GW sculptors had mentioned previously.
Guess it just seems like GW just doesn't want to make Sisters, considering they're now being supplanted by factions that haven't been present since 2nd edition.
Well, maybe one day.
The Robes thing is non-sense. They've been doing Dark Angels in robes, and other space marines in robe/toga/loincloths for years.
Accolade wrote: It doesn't sound like Sisters are anywhere on the horizon (the horizon being anything this year). But at least the new Skitarii demonstrate that robes can be modeled in plastic effectively, which I know was the big hurdle GW sculptors had mentioned previously.
Guess it just seems like GW just doesn't want to make Sisters, considering they're now being supplanted by factions that haven't been present since 2nd edition.
Well, maybe one day.
The Robes thing is non-sense. They've been doing Dark Angels in robes, and other space marines in robe/toga/loincloths for years.
The Dark Angels in robes have no sleeves, just a robed body. Same with the "other Space Marines in robe/toga/loincloths".
The statements made by Jes Goodwin were in the mid 2000's(I want to say 2007 or 2008) and had to do with the sleeves not hanging properly and causing an effect not unlike the Wood Elf Glade Guard/Glade Riders where it limits the posing you can effectively do switching parts between bodies.
Whether or not we'll see Sisters, who knows, but it's never been the robed bodies which were the issue. It was the sleeves.
Accolade wrote: It doesn't sound like Sisters are anywhere on the horizon (the horizon being anything this year). But at least the new Skitarii demonstrate that robes can be modeled in plastic effectively, which I know was the big hurdle GW sculptors had mentioned previously.
Guess it just seems like GW just doesn't want to make Sisters, considering they're now being supplanted by factions that haven't been present since 2nd edition.
Well, maybe one day.
The Robes thing is non-sense. They've been doing Dark Angels in robes, and other space marines in robe/toga/loincloths for years.
Then I guess they just don't want to do them period. /shrug
But the issue separating the Dark Angels from SoB was that their arms had no cloth. These new Skitarii do (in fact, in some ways they make me think of male SoB in a way), so now even that argument has to fall by the wayside.
Well, I think I recall that people in the know have said that we won't see Sisters this year and I think that will be the case. Maybe after Genestealers appear and any other old 2nd edition factions. Then GW will be sitting there trying to decide between Squats and Sisters, and I think by a thin margin Sisters will be chosen.
Accolade wrote: It doesn't sound like Sisters are anywhere on the horizon (the horizon being anything this year). But at least the new Skitarii demonstrate that robes can be modeled in plastic effectively, which I know was the big hurdle GW sculptors had mentioned previously.
Guess it just seems like GW just doesn't want to make Sisters, considering they're now being supplanted by factions that haven't been present since 2nd edition.
Well, maybe one day.
The Robes thing is non-sense. They've been doing Dark Angels in robes, and other space marines in robe/toga/loincloths for years.
Then I guess they just don't want to do them period. /shrug
But the issue separating the Dark Angels from SoB was that their arms had no cloth. These new Skitarii do (in fact, in some ways they make me think of male SoB in a way), so now even that argument has to fall by the wayside.
Well, I think I recall that people in the know have said that we won't see Sisters this year and I think that will be the case. Maybe after Genestealers appear and any other old 2nd edition factions. Then GW will be sitting there trying to decide between Squats and Sisters, and I think by a thin margin Sisters will be chosen.
Even if we assume that they've sorted the issue, it takes time to make models for an army (not to mention write the book). A minimum of 18 months (plus whatever time it sits before it gets into the release cycle) is generally the turn-around on these sorts of things, and who knows how long exactly they were working on the Ad Mech before we finally got them.
Between the Ad Mech sleeves and the Dark Eldar hair I think the things needed to make the release happen have fallen into place, we just need to be patient enough for that tree to bear fruit.
But then why not produce Sisters before this AM release or even the Harlequin releases? I personally think GW doesn't believe there is great enough interest in Sisters to warrant a significant release; they've become quite risk adverse (for good reason) and seem to see these other releases as having more potential than SoB.
Obviously I'm giving them time to produce the models, but then again I've kind of given up waiting since their models date back to 2nd edition so it doesn't really matter too much what I think. I do believe Sisters will eventually get released, but it will be after they've exhausted any of these other potentially more profitable lines. And whenever they do release them, it won't be because of anything the customers have done or said, it'll be management going "well, I guess we still have those battle nuns we never got around to authorizing."
I do however look forward to their eventual update if the new Skitarii are anything to go by (who make me think of some sort of male SoB).
Accolade wrote: But then why not produce Sisters before this AM release or even the Harlequin releases? I personally think GW doesn't believe there is great enough interest in Sisters to warrant a significant release; they've become quite risk adverse (for good reason) and seem to see these other releases as having more potential than SoB.
Obviously I'm giving them time to produce the models, but then again I've kind of given up waiting since their models date back to 2nd edition so it doesn't really matter too much what I think. I do believe Sisters will eventually get released, but it will be after they've exhausted any of these other potentially more profitable lines. And whenever they do release them, it won't be because of anything the customers have done or said, it'll be management going "well, I guess we still have those battle nuns we never got around to authorizing."
I do however look forward to their eventual update if the new Skitarii are anything to go by (who make me think of some sort of male SoB).
Ad Mech has been waiting since 2nd Ed to have rules to play with. I think the Solitaire has been waiting almost as long.
If you want to complain about anyone getting an update early, why not the Marines and Tau who are rumored for this year?
The Solitare had rules in the Citadel Journal as I remember so maybe a shorter time. The Skitari I'm not sure if they had anything in the Codex Imperialis.
The Solitare had rules in the Citadel Journal as I remember so maybe a shorter time. The Skitari I'm not sure if they had anything in the Codex Imperialis.
Either way they've been waiting longer than Sisters to be playable again. I'm all for an update but I won't knock others who deserve the love too.
Accolade wrote: But then why not produce Sisters before this AM release or even the Harlequin releases? I personally think GW doesn't believe there is great enough interest in Sisters to warrant a significant release; they've become quite risk adverse (for good reason) and seem to see these other releases as having more potential than SoB.
Obviously I'm giving them time to produce the models, but then again I've kind of given up waiting since their models date back to 2nd edition so it doesn't really matter too much what I think. I do believe Sisters will eventually get released, but it will be after they've exhausted any of these other potentially more profitable lines. And whenever they do release them, it won't be because of anything the customers have done or said, it'll be management going "well, I guess we still have those battle nuns we never got around to authorizing."
I do however look forward to their eventual update if the new Skitarii are anything to go by (who make me think of some sort of male SoB).
Ad Mech has been waiting since 2nd Ed to have rules to play with. I think the Solitaire has been waiting almost as long.
If you want to complain about anyone getting an update early, why not the Marines and Tau who are rumored for this year?
Complain? How am I complaining? I think you're missing the intention of my post.
I don't care if Harlequins, Space Marines, or any one else is released before Sisters, I am simply looking at the actions GW has taken over the last many years and projecting my interpretation of why Sisters have languished and their possible future.
There isn't some waiting/fairness competition going on at GW to determine when things should get released. GW releases things depending on how profitable they expect them to be and how they can grow the brand. It's just business straight-up. I have a strong feeling that their attempt to re-invigorate Sisters during the Witch Hunters era was an attempt to make their appeal more inclusive to customers (it's not just nuns with guns, it's also witch hunters and crusading Imperial forces!), but it did not work out anywhere near the level they had hoped for. Since then, GW has been cautious about doing the work required to release SoB kits since then. They still put Sisters in blurbs in the fluff because it costs absolutely nothing, but to re-do their metal kits is and start distribution is something that would require substantial investment.
Now, GW seems to have become okay with releasing these mini-codexes that we've seen with Knights, Harelquins and (probably) Skitarii, where the lists consists of a few units. Since they seem more interested in the fluff and universe than the gaming aspect of these books, it does seem like a prime point to re-introduce Sisters. I think someone at GW finally got wind of how popular AM is (or more likely saw the sales numbers from Mechanicum stuff) and thought that this project would be a greater venue generator than Sisters. The only thing I can't guess at is if there are other mini-factions that GW feels hold more popularity or if Sisters will be the next mini-codex to appear (after the reboots of the most popular lines that we have been hearing rumors about).
Now, I am certainly excited to see Sisters eventually get a release, they are one of the more interesting factions that exist in 40k. But I think that approaching this from a business perspective helps indicate why SoB have languished from updates for these many years. It's not like they are losing SoB customers due to time waiting, from what I've noticed those fans are so fervent in their attention to Sisters that they can wait however long it takes.
Azreal13 wrote: Or, to put it in GW speak and perspective, and more succinctly
"It's our fault for not buying more Sisters!"
I don't think you can fault larger trends to individual consumers. I am sure there are people out there still in love with New Coke, Deloreans and BlackBerrys. They just aren't the mainstream.
Accolade wrote: But then why not produce Sisters before this AM release or even the Harlequin releases? I personally think GW doesn't believe there is great enough interest in Sisters to warrant a significant release; they've become quite risk adverse (for good reason) and seem to see these other releases as having more potential than SoB.
Obviously I'm giving them time to produce the models, but then again I've kind of given up waiting since their models date back to 2nd edition so it doesn't really matter too much what I think. I do believe Sisters will eventually get released, but it will be after they've exhausted any of these other potentially more profitable lines. And whenever they do release them, it won't be because of anything the customers have done or said, it'll be management going "well, I guess we still have those battle nuns we never got around to authorizing."
I do however look forward to their eventual update if the new Skitarii are anything to go by (who make me think of some sort of male SoB).
Ad Mech has been waiting since 2nd Ed to have rules to play with. I think the Solitaire has been waiting almost as long.
If you want to complain about anyone getting an update early, why not the Marines and Tau who are rumored for this year?
Complain? How am I complaining? I think you're missing the intention of my post.
I don't care if Harlequins, Space Marines, or any one else is released before Sisters, I am simply looking at the actions GW has taken over the last many years and projecting my interpretation of why Sisters have languished and their possible future.
There isn't some waiting/fairness competition going on at GW to determine when things should get released. GW releases things depending on how profitable they expect them to be and how they can grow the brand. It's just business straight-up. I have a strong feeling that their attempt to re-invigorate Sisters during the Witch Hunters era was an attempt to make their appeal more inclusive to customers (it's not just nuns with guns, it's also witch hunters and crusading Imperial forces!), but it did not work out anywhere near the level they had hoped for. Since then, GW has been cautious about doing the work required to release SoB kits since then. They still put Sisters in blurbs in the fluff because it costs absolutely nothing, but to re-do their metal kits is and start distribution is something that would require substantial investment.
Now, GW seems to have become okay with releasing these mini-codexes that we've seen with Knights, Harelquins and (probably) Skitarii, where the lists consists of a few units. Since they seem more interested in the fluff and universe than the gaming aspect of these books, it does seem like a prime point to re-introduce Sisters. I think someone at GW finally got wind of how popular AM is (or more likely saw the sales numbers from Mechanicum stuff) and thought that this project would be a greater venue generator than Sisters. The only thing I can't guess at is if there are other mini-factions that GW feels hold more popularity or if Sisters will be the next mini-codex to appear (after the reboots of the most popular lines that we have been hearing rumors about).
Now, I am certainly excited to see Sisters eventually get a release, they are one of the more interesting factions that exist in 40k. But I think that approaching this from a business perspective helps indicate why SoB have languished from updates for these many years. It's not like they are losing SoB customers due to time waiting, from what I've noticed those fans are so fervent in their attention to Sisters that they can wait however long it takes.
I see Skitarii and Dark Eldar as the stepping stones to seeing a proper Sisters release. That's it.
Wait, so I ask you how I'm complaining and then say you misunderstood my intention, and you respond by saying I'm defensive and spend too much time on tumblr? Really?
EDIT: ah, you edited that bit out before I responded. Well, it's not worth getting into anyway.
Azreal13 wrote: Or, to put it in GW speak and perspective, and more succinctly
"It's our fault for not buying more Sisters!"
I don't think you can fault larger trends to individual consumers. I am sure there are people out there still in love with New Coke, Deloreans and BlackBerrys. They just aren't the mainstream.
I am not holding anyone at fault, I was, as I felt I had gone to pains to point out, merely phrasing it how GW would express it. It isn't the first time the sentiment of "it's the customers fault for not buying enough stuff" has come out of Lenton in one way or another.
I am not holding anyone at fault, I was, as I felt I had gone to pains to point out, merely phrasing it how GW would express it. It isn't the first time the sentiment of "it's the customers fault for not buying enough stuff" has come out of Lenton in one way or another.
Really? Link, Source, Quote?
If anything, GW's known for never saying anything, one way or the other.
Accolade wrote: Wait, so I ask you how I'm complaining and then say you misunderstood my intention, and you respond by saying I'm defensive and spend too much time on tumblr? Really?
EDIT: ah, you edited that bit out before I responded. Well, it's not worth getting into anyway.
I edited it out because I realized I was being too confrontational for something I'm tired of getting into. Just because GW hasn't put Sisters out proves nothing. It doesn't prove they are not working on them (or won't work on them) and any release that solves the problems that they stated concerns about in the past (hair, sleeves) only goes to show that solutions are being created and, in my opinion, the army will be better for it.
Frankly I want Sisters to be done right more than I want them to be done soon.
ClockworkZion wrote: I edited it out because I realized I was being too confrontational for something I'm tired of getting into. Just because GW hasn't put Sisters out proves nothing. It doesn't prove they are not working on them (or won't work on them) and any release that solves the problems that they stated concerns about in the past (hair, sleeves) only goes to show that solutions are being created and, in my opinion, the army will be better for it.
Frankly I want Sisters to be done right more than I want them to be done soon.
Right, which is why I said my thoughts were my opinion on the matter. GW could have been delaying Sisters this whole time because Tom Kirby had traumatic experiences with nuns in elementary school for all we know.
Well, one day Sisters will be released. I do hope that they look nice, and I really hope that GW hires someone who knows how to sculpt women's faces!
I am not holding anyone at fault, I was, as I felt I had gone to pains to point out, merely phrasing it how GW would express it. It isn't the first time the sentiment of "it's the customers fault for not buying enough stuff" has come out of Lenton in one way or another.
Really? Link, Source, Quote?
If anything, GW's known for never saying anything, one way or the other.
As with most things, it is anecdotal, I thought that was implied? Do keep up.
I am not holding anyone at fault, I was, as I felt I had gone to pains to point out, merely phrasing it how GW would express it. It isn't the first time the sentiment of "it's the customers fault for not buying enough stuff" has come out of Lenton in one way or another.
Really? Link, Source, Quote?
If anything, GW's known for never saying anything, one way or the other.
As with most things, it is anecdotal, I thought that was implied? Or aren't you good at keeping up?
I am good at spotting confirmation bias via people putting words into other people's (or companies') mouth.
[quote0=Accolade 640125 7705618 886d84101b52cf3a99472f31c4be1203.png]It doesn't sound like Sisters are anywhere on the horizon (the horizon being anything this year). But at least the new Skitarii demonstrate that robes can be modeled in plastic effectively, which I know was the big hurdle GW sculptors had mentioned previously.
Guess it just seems like GW just doesn't want to make Sisters, considering they're now being supplanted by factions that haven't been present since 2nd edition.
Well, maybe one day.
On the robes -- do you mean capes and hooded capes? There are so many (plastic) models with this sort of thing already. Space Marine Captain and Eldar Farseer come immediately to mind, and there's plenty of caped/robed terminators like in Space Hulk, Deathwing Knights, Karlaen. And of course the Harlequins that just came out have some capes. Dark Vengeance and the cheapo cultist box has some caped/hooded cultists, too, I think.
Hey Talys, I meant more the arms, which are positioned in different ways such that robes could look unnatural. GW's been doing hoods and capes forever now, it was just this one little issue that had been mentioned way back when that had always stuck.
I'd be willing to bet you a full army that the Sisters of Battle will get a release after Forgeworld does their take on the Sisters of Silence. Their Mechanicum stuff is very popular, and a few months later, a Mechanicus book comes out. I have no doubt that the 40k team looked at the success of FW's kits and "copied" it over, especially since the fluff is already there. The Sisters will go the same way.
Guildsman wrote: I'd be willing to bet you a full army that the Sisters of Battle will get a release after Forgeworld does their take on the Sisters of Silence. Their Mechanicum stuff is very popular, and a few months later, a Mechanicus book comes out. I have no doubt that the 40k team looked at the success of FW's kits and "copied" it over, especially since the fluff is already there. The Sisters will go the same way.
That's actually a really good point, FW seems to sometimes be the test-bed for niche products, and GW hasn't shied away from borrowing some of their best sellers. Are there any rumors about the Sisters of Silence currently?
The Solitare had rules in the Citadel Journal as I remember so maybe a shorter time. The Skitari I'm not sure if they had anything in the Codex Imperialis.
Either way they've been waiting longer than Sisters to be playable again. I'm all for an update but I won't knock others who deserve the love too.
I love SoB too it's just I can have cool new AM figures. And RH heroines that do look really cool. But yeah I really would go all out on a GWSoB army
Guildsman wrote: I'd be willing to bet you a full army that the Sisters of Battle will get a release after Forgeworld does their take on the Sisters of Silence. Their Mechanicum stuff is very popular, and a few months later, a Mechanicus book comes out. I have no doubt that the 40k team looked at the success of FW's kits and "copied" it over, especially since the fluff is already there. The Sisters will go the same way.
That's actually a really good point, FW seems to sometimes be the test-bed for niche products, and GW hasn't shied away from borrowing some of their best sellers. Are there any rumors about the Sisters of Silence currently?
All we know so far is that they will be in the Prospero book along with Space Wolves, Thousand Sons, and the Custodes.
Personally, I do not expect to see a full army of the Sisters of Silence or the Custodes in that book. I would expect something more along the lines of a single unit entry and/or character, something even more basic than the Ordo Reductor list in HH1.
Guildsman wrote: I'd be willing to bet you a full army that the Sisters of Battle will get a release after Forgeworld does their take on the Sisters of Silence. Their Mechanicum stuff is very popular, and a few months later, a Mechanicus book comes out. I have no doubt that the 40k team looked at the success of FW's kits and "copied" it over, especially since the fluff is already there. The Sisters will go the same way.
That's actually a really good point, FW seems to sometimes be the test-bed for niche products, and GW hasn't shied away from borrowing some of their best sellers. Are there any rumors about the Sisters of Silence currently?
All we know so far is that they will be in the Prospero book along with Space Wolves, Thousand Sons, and the Custodes.
Personally, I do not expect to see a full army of the Sisters of Silence or the Custodes in that book. I would expect something more along the lines of a single unit entry and/or character, something even more basic than the Ordo Reductor list in HH1.
Didn't they say recently it was unlikely that they would do them or have I got my wires crossed?
Guildsman wrote: I'd be willing to bet you a full army that the Sisters of Battle will get a release after Forgeworld does their take on the Sisters of Silence. Their Mechanicum stuff is very popular, and a few months later, a Mechanicus book comes out. I have no doubt that the 40k team looked at the success of FW's kits and "copied" it over, especially since the fluff is already there. The Sisters will go the same way.
That's actually a really good point, FW seems to sometimes be the test-bed for niche products, and GW hasn't shied away from borrowing some of their best sellers. Are there any rumors about the Sisters of Silence currently?
All we know so far is that they will be in the Prospero book along with Space Wolves, Thousand Sons, and the Custodes.
Personally, I do not expect to see a full army of the Sisters of Silence or the Custodes in that book. I would expect something more along the lines of a single unit entry and/or character, something even more basic than the Ordo Reductor list in HH1.
Didn't they say recently it was unlikely that they would do them or have I got my wires crossed?
Wires crossed. Sisters of Silence are going to be in Inferno.
"Red Date" is the name given to the little outings Khârn and Angron used to take together. It was a different time, a better time, but now Angron is a Daemon Prince he just doesn't have time for Khârn anymore. The Betrayer understands, but each week he lights a single candle and sheds a single tear in memory of the special bond they once shared.
I still think the plastic sleeves stuff is utter nonsense. If a product was going to be made and something so silly was the only barrier, either it would be solved (find a way to work it into the model) or removed (just don't give them the stupid sleeves, then).
Frozen Ocean wrote: "Red Date" is the name given to the little outings Khârn and Angron used to take together. It was a different time, a better time, but now Angron is a Daemon Prince he just doesn't have time for Khârn anymore. The Betrayer understands, but each week he lights a single candle and sheds a single tear in memory of the special bond they once shared.
I still think the plastic sleeves stuff is utter nonsense. If a product was going to be made and something so silly was the only barrier, either it would be solved (find a way to work it into the model) or removed (just don't give them the stupid sleeves, then).
Well, yeah, and since when has such a thing as a 'bad design' bothered GW, anyway
It's ancient history, anyways. The sleeves thing might have been an open question during that particular time in the design process, but they've had years to solve it. Not that it means that the Sisters are going to be released at any point, though - they might have done some concept/design work 'for later use' and it's sitting in the vault still.
Guildsman wrote: I'd be willing to bet you a full army that the Sisters of Battle will get a release after Forgeworld does their take on the Sisters of Silence. Their Mechanicum stuff is very popular, and a few months later, a Mechanicus book comes out. I have no doubt that the 40k team looked at the success of FW's kits and "copied" it over, especially since the fluff is already there. The Sisters will go the same way.
Yep, FW acts as a good 'tryout' market for GW - the whole point of FW is to make kits that might not sell enough to warrant a full GW development/manufacture investment. If something sells better than expected, they can then port it to 40k lineup. In fact, I think we can make some timeline estimations based on how AdMech went from FW->GW product line.. When did the first AdMech models by FW appear?
I am still of the opinion that, following the Chapterhouse debacle, GW is more-sensitive to the actions of other studios in the market than ever before, and the Sisters of Eternal Mercy are now a 3+ year-old rumor from Raging Heroes... and a rumor that is in the process of becoming reality.
You don't think people are forking over cash to RH for Dark Elves & Sisters? They damn sure are. If I had the scratch, I'd be pledging $200+ for the KS. I think the only reason TGG2 is not as big as TGG1 is that the latter has taken so very long to be completed that people (like me) are waiting on having all their models from the first KS before pledging to this one.
All that said, an SOB update rumor is... fairly viable. They're not doing it for the fans, of course, no, GW doesn't give a damn there... they're doing it because they've been watching other companies eat their lunch on both model and rules sales.
I know the aesthetic of RH doesn't appeal to people, but if another studio rolled out a less-cheesecake "NotSisters" line, I can guarantee you that you'd see lots of those on 40K tables. Pretty sure that GW is aware of this, too.
For me? At this point, while I hope GW rolls out an awesome Sisters update, I won't be buying it... not the models, anyway. It's been too long already, I'm not super-pleased with the latest book (it's alright, it's not terrible, but it's also not all that great) and I don't really want to reward GW for mediocrity.
If GW comes out with a cool new unit, something that I can't viably replace with products from another studio, like a cool Church-Walker or a War-Cathedral (on tracks), then I might pick those up, sure... but that's a big "might".
My view on this, and for the rumours in general, is that they might, *might* do a sensible thing, and bring out a new Codex first, with some pretty "decent" rules. Hopefully not pure OP, but this is GW....
Once that one is out, and they rules are quite OP, you'd get massive sale of any new plastic kit (if they did not sell-out already).
Not too Far-fetched as that is pretty much what they're doing with AdMech. Question is, will that port over to Adepta Sororitas?
If you think about it the sleeve going different directions can easily be explained away as too much hairspray used on their hair permanently locked the robes in odd positions. That or too much starch in the laundry, hence sister Olivia in the penitent engine .
The way they can pack sprues these days, there ought to be enough sleeve angles to satisfy any modelling need. Most of your S0B would be assembled with both hands holding that damn bolter, though, that takes care of most of your squads.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: The way they can pack sprues these days, there ought to be enough sleeve angles to satisfy any modelling need. Most of your S0B would be assembled with both hands holding that damn bolter, though, that takes care of most of your squads.
Exactly. Would anyone believe GW if they said they couldn't update Space Marines (but they really, really want to!) because they couldn't get the purity seals to hang realistically on a plastic model? They've had approximately twenty billion years to solve this issue and we're only (once again) at the tenuous rumour stage. They could have said "Sisters are not economically viable at this time" or something and everyone would have just accepted it, but nonsense excuses like plastic sleeves are just insulting if they're going to be used as a defense for why they, as much as they want to do Sisters, haven't in all this time.
I think more to the point Jes Goodwin (?) said the robes/hair was the issue when asked 7 or 8 years ago which may well have been the reason then,
there just hasn't been any other real info on why not subsequently so we (in the ill defined internet sense) keep repeating it
Looking at the Harlequins and now Ad Mech they have got flappy coats/robes with sleeves sorted out now, so from a technical point they are viable,
hopefully they also think they are from a financial point of view (or are desperate enough to roll the dice and see), but again with Miletarum Temerstus, Knights, Harlequins and Ad Mech they are willing to try stepping outside the traditional books things seem more positive for the chances of actual new sisters kit than they have since GW stopped doing new metal minis
Psienesis wrote: I am still of the opinion that, following the Chapterhouse debacle, GW is more-sensitive to the actions of other studios in the market than ever before, and the Sisters of Eternal Mercy are now a 3+ year-old rumor from Raging Heroes...
I know the aesthetic of RH doesn't appeal to people, but if another studio rolled out a less-cheesecake "NotSisters" line, I can guarantee you that you'd see lots of those on 40K tables.
Raging Heroes TGG2 is underway and funded. RH not-Sisters will be hitting the shelves a year (or two) from now.
DreamForge Games non-cheescake not-Sisters have shipped to backers, hitting retail April 2015:
GW scientists are still wrestling with the 'bob cut matrix'.
I think it's pretty clear that GW is more than capable of producing excellent SoB plastics. Other than female heads even just the Skitarii release covers most of the elements of a SoB model (mix of armor and cloth with undercuts).
The next big question is how much the RH TGG 2 kickstarter will effect the possibility of sob being released. As they are currently the closest not-sob there are out there.
Depends on how well-known their stuff actually is. Also, their aesthetics are different to sisters. They look more like female marines or nazi stormtroopers in space than war-nuns. Considering the ammount of conversion you'd have to do to get them looking more like sisters, you could start with pretty much any other human sci-fi model out there.
It wasn't just the sleeves it was the sleeves and the hair. The sculptor wanted to be able to mix any head and body and the problem was, IIRC, that some heads had hair going one way and others the other way but the sleeves could go either direction as well so that if you made the wrong/right combination you would have the hair going one way and the sleeves the other.
Leo_the_Rat wrote: It wasn't just the sleeves it was the sleeves and the hair. The sculptor wanted to be able to mix any head and body and the problem was, IIRC, that some heads had hair going one way and others the other way but the sleeves could go either direction as well so that if you made the wrong/right combination you would have the hair going one way and the sleeves the other.
And that is a problem exactly how? Hair blowing to the left while cape/sleeves blowing to the right or what? Geee... that obvious flaw would be the death of any 28mm infantry model...
fox-light713 wrote: The next big question is how much the RH TGG 2 kickstarter will effect the possibility of sob being released. As they are currently the closest not-sob there are out there.
"Currently" the closest? The stuff from kickstarter #1 isnt even delivered! Maybe in a few years they'll be the current not-sob
fox-light713 wrote: The next big question is how much the RH TGG 2 kickstarter will effect the possibility of sob being released.
It's showing GW that there is demand, but the thing is, it only looks like $100k out of $500k (because there are 5 armies). Even if it was $250k or $400k that we could count as notSisters, that's probably not a big number to GW. Why, that barely covers a tender for one of Tom Kirby's yachts.
fox-light713 wrote: The next big question is how much the RH TGG 2 kickstarter will effect the possibility of sob being released.
It's showing GW that there is demand, but the thing is, it only looks like $100k out of $500k (because there are 5 armies). Even if it was $250k or $400k that we could count as notSisters, that's probably not a big number to GW. Why, that barely covers a tender for one of Tom Kirby's yachts.
You forget, that is only what? A single kit? if GW does it, they can do a couple kits and a huge LoW monstertankflyer and they'll charge 250% of what any reasonable company would. That's not only a tender, that may be even the marina fee for a year right there!
Let's also not forget that this is just a KS, not people who are going to come along a year from now, see the sets and say "I want two boxes of those troops, those four Heroes, and six of those bikes" and so forth for whatever project they have going on.
For myself and my group, since we do a lot more RPGs than wargaming these days, the draw for us is mainly in the characters, while boxes of troops (regardless of source) are mostly used for nameless mooks that are supporting one faction or another in whatever RPG we're playing.
And, let me tell you, a lot of the TGG1 Troops work really well for Cyberpunk street-gangs, while the various Characters already have my group planning an Only War campaign.
Didn't the latest Sisters codex sell surprisingly well? It was at the top of the best seller list for a while, even (which normally isn't saying much but I'd think that's impressive for a niche gaming codex)
I always found the "There are modelling issues" thing from GW to be a rather dubious excuse. What's so different about the sisters that makes them harder to cast than anything else? The boobs? (can't be that or else they'd have that same issue with daemonettes and certain dark Eldar)
