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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
A list of stuff they weren't going to ship to Austrailia?

Yeah, 'cause that joke hasn't been run into the ground or anything.

Not yet it hasn't.

Don't worry, when you get them they'll be in FinerCast, cost six times as much and require you to buy the new "Citadel Modeling Kit" which will consist of a gumball sized orb of pre-mixed greenstuff for the low price of $25.50. I hear it'll be exclusive to Australia and New Zealand.

Can we stop trying to troll H.B.M.C. and get back on topic?

 pretre wrote:
Can we stop trying to troll H.B.M.C. and get back on topic?

Yes, absolutely.

In fact, I insist...

What exactly is a Red Date ?

It doesn't sound like Sisters are anywhere on the horizon (the horizon being anything this year). But at least the new Skitarii demonstrate that robes can be modeled in plastic effectively, which I know was the big hurdle GW sculptors had mentioned previously.

Guess it just seems like GW just doesn't want to make Sisters, considering they're now being supplanted by factions that haven't been present since 2nd edition.

Well, maybe one day.

 adamsouza wrote:
What exactly is a Red Date ?

IIRC, that is supposedly a specific timeframe in which GW store employees cannot be absent. Usually means a major product release.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
What exactly is a Red Date ?

IIRC, that is supposedly a specific timeframe in which GW store employees cannot be absent. Usually means a major product release.

Clarification: It's a date where employees are strongly discouraged from taking time off.

Rumored to not even exist, even by some GW employees, the mysterious 'Red Dates' seem to be most prevalent during the summertime when kids get out of school for a period of time and the chance to bring in new players over summer vacation is at its height. These dates may also coincide with Fiscal Year wrap-up, which means it's no surprise that GW releases some of their biggest stuff in the early Spring and Summer in order to make as much money as possible before their Accounts have to declare numbers for that year. New editions of games, Space Marine codices, and others are most often released during these periods of time.

 Accolade wrote:
It doesn't sound like Sisters are anywhere on the horizon (the horizon being anything this year). But at least the new Skitarii demonstrate that robes can be modeled in plastic effectively, which I know was the big hurdle GW sculptors had mentioned previously.

Guess it just seems like GW just doesn't want to make Sisters, considering they're now being supplanted by factions that haven't been present since 2nd edition.

Well, maybe one day.

The Robes thing is non-sense. They've been doing Dark Angels in robes, and other space marines in robe/toga/loincloths for years.

Ralis wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
It doesn't sound like Sisters are anywhere on the horizon (the horizon being anything this year). But at least the new Skitarii demonstrate that robes can be modeled in plastic effectively, which I know was the big hurdle GW sculptors had mentioned previously.

Guess it just seems like GW just doesn't want to make Sisters, considering they're now being supplanted by factions that haven't been present since 2nd edition.

Well, maybe one day.

The Robes thing is non-sense. They've been doing Dark Angels in robes, and other space marines in robe/toga/loincloths for years.

The Dark Angels in robes have no sleeves, just a robed body. Same with the "other Space Marines in robe/toga/loincloths".

The statements made by Jes Goodwin were in the mid 2000's(I want to say 2007 or 2008) and had to do with the sleeves not hanging properly and causing an effect not unlike the Wood Elf Glade Guard/Glade Riders where it limits the posing you can effectively do switching parts between bodies.

Whether or not we'll see Sisters, who knows, but it's never been the robed bodies which were the issue. It was the sleeves.

Ralis wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
It doesn't sound like Sisters are anywhere on the horizon (the horizon being anything this year). But at least the new Skitarii demonstrate that robes can be modeled in plastic effectively, which I know was the big hurdle GW sculptors had mentioned previously.

Guess it just seems like GW just doesn't want to make Sisters, considering they're now being supplanted by factions that haven't been present since 2nd edition.

Well, maybe one day.

The Robes thing is non-sense. They've been doing Dark Angels in robes, and other space marines in robe/toga/loincloths for years.

Then I guess they just don't want to do them period. /shrug

But the issue separating the Dark Angels from SoB was that their arms had no cloth. These new Skitarii do (in fact, in some ways they make me think of male SoB in a way), so now even that argument has to fall by the wayside.

Well, I think I recall that people in the know have said that we won't see Sisters this year and I think that will be the case. Maybe after Genestealers appear and any other old 2nd edition factions. Then GW will be sitting there trying to decide between Squats and Sisters, and I think by a thin margin Sisters will be chosen.

 Accolade wrote:

Ralis wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
It doesn't sound like Sisters are anywhere on the horizon (the horizon being anything this year). But at least the new Skitarii demonstrate that robes can be modeled in plastic effectively, which I know was the big hurdle GW sculptors had mentioned previously.

Guess it just seems like GW just doesn't want to make Sisters, considering they're now being supplanted by factions that haven't been present since 2nd edition.

Well, maybe one day.

The Robes thing is non-sense. They've been doing Dark Angels in robes, and other space marines in robe/toga/loincloths for years.

Then I guess they just don't want to do them period. /shrug

But the issue separating the Dark Angels from SoB was that their arms had no cloth. These new Skitarii do (in fact, in some ways they make me think of male SoB in a way), so now even that argument has to fall by the wayside.

Well, I think I recall that people in the know have said that we won't see Sisters this year and I think that will be the case. Maybe after Genestealers appear and any other old 2nd edition factions. Then GW will be sitting there trying to decide between Squats and Sisters, and I think by a thin margin Sisters will be chosen.

Even if we assume that they've sorted the issue, it takes time to make models for an army (not to mention write the book). A minimum of 18 months (plus whatever time it sits before it gets into the release cycle) is generally the turn-around on these sorts of things, and who knows how long exactly they were working on the Ad Mech before we finally got them.

Between the Ad Mech sleeves and the Dark Eldar hair I think the things needed to make the release happen have fallen into place, we just need to be patient enough for that tree to bear fruit.

But then why not produce Sisters before this AM release or even the Harlequin releases? I personally think GW doesn't believe there is great enough interest in Sisters to warrant a significant release; they've become quite risk adverse (for good reason) and seem to see these other releases as having more potential than SoB.

Obviously I'm giving them time to produce the models, but then again I've kind of given up waiting since their models date back to 2nd edition so it doesn't really matter too much what I think. I do believe Sisters will eventually get released, but it will be after they've exhausted any of these other potentially more profitable lines. And whenever they do release them, it won't be because of anything the customers have done or said, it'll be management going "well, I guess we still have those battle nuns we never got around to authorizing."

I do however look forward to their eventual update if the new Skitarii are anything to go by (who make me think of some sort of male SoB).

 Accolade wrote:
But then why not produce Sisters before this AM release or even the Harlequin releases? I personally think GW doesn't believe there is great enough interest in Sisters to warrant a significant release; they've become quite risk adverse (for good reason) and seem to see these other releases as having more potential than SoB.

Obviously I'm giving them time to produce the models, but then again I've kind of given up waiting since their models date back to 2nd edition so it doesn't really matter too much what I think. I do believe Sisters will eventually get released, but it will be after they've exhausted any of these other potentially more profitable lines. And whenever they do release them, it won't be because of anything the customers have done or said, it'll be management going "well, I guess we still have those battle nuns we never got around to authorizing."

I do however look forward to their eventual update if the new Skitarii are anything to go by (who make me think of some sort of male SoB).

Ad Mech has been waiting since 2nd Ed to have rules to play with. I think the Solitaire has been waiting almost as long.

If you want to complain about anyone getting an update early, why not the Marines and Tau who are rumored for this year?

The Solitare had rules in the Citadel Journal as I remember so maybe a shorter time. The Skitari I'm not sure if they had anything in the Codex Imperialis.

migooo wrote:


The Solitare had rules in the Citadel Journal as I remember so maybe a shorter time. The Skitari I'm not sure if they had anything in the Codex Imperialis.

Either way they've been waiting longer than Sisters to be playable again. I'm all for an update but I won't knock others who deserve the love too.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
But then why not produce Sisters before this AM release or even the Harlequin releases? I personally think GW doesn't believe there is great enough interest in Sisters to warrant a significant release; they've become quite risk adverse (for good reason) and seem to see these other releases as having more potential than SoB.

Obviously I'm giving them time to produce the models, but then again I've kind of given up waiting since their models date back to 2nd edition so it doesn't really matter too much what I think. I do believe Sisters will eventually get released, but it will be after they've exhausted any of these other potentially more profitable lines. And whenever they do release them, it won't be because of anything the customers have done or said, it'll be management going "well, I guess we still have those battle nuns we never got around to authorizing."

I do however look forward to their eventual update if the new Skitarii are anything to go by (who make me think of some sort of male SoB).

Ad Mech has been waiting since 2nd Ed to have rules to play with. I think the Solitaire has been waiting almost as long.

If you want to complain about anyone getting an update early, why not the Marines and Tau who are rumored for this year?

Complain? How am I complaining? I think you're missing the intention of my post.

I don't care if Harlequins, Space Marines, or any one else is released before Sisters, I am simply looking at the actions GW has taken over the last many years and projecting my interpretation of why Sisters have languished and their possible future.

There isn't some waiting/fairness competition going on at GW to determine when things should get released. GW releases things depending on how profitable they expect them to be and how they can grow the brand. It's just business straight-up. I have a strong feeling that their attempt to re-invigorate Sisters during the Witch Hunters era was an attempt to make their appeal more inclusive to customers (it's not just nuns with guns, it's also witch hunters and crusading Imperial forces!), but it did not work out anywhere near the level they had hoped for. Since then, GW has been cautious about doing the work required to release SoB kits since then. They still put Sisters in blurbs in the fluff because it costs absolutely nothing, but to re-do their metal kits is and start distribution is something that would require substantial investment.

Now, GW seems to have become okay with releasing these mini-codexes that we've seen with Knights, Harelquins and (probably) Skitarii, where the lists consists of a few units. Since they seem more interested in the fluff and universe than the gaming aspect of these books, it does seem like a prime point to re-introduce Sisters. I think someone at GW finally got wind of how popular AM is (or more likely saw the sales numbers from Mechanicum stuff) and thought that this project would be a greater venue generator than Sisters. The only thing I can't guess at is if there are other mini-factions that GW feels hold more popularity or if Sisters will be the next mini-codex to appear (after the reboots of the most popular lines that we have been hearing rumors about).

Now, I am certainly excited to see Sisters eventually get a release, they are one of the more interesting factions that exist in 40k. But I think that approaching this from a business perspective helps indicate why SoB have languished from updates for these many years. It's not like they are losing SoB customers due to time waiting, from what I've noticed those fans are so fervent in their attention to Sisters that they can wait however long it takes.

Or, to put it in GW speak and perspective, and more succinctly

"It's our fault for not buying more Sisters!"

 Azreal13 wrote:
Or, to put it in GW speak and perspective, and more succinctly

"It's our fault for not buying more Sisters!"

I don't think you can fault larger trends to individual consumers. I am sure there are people out there still in love with New Coke, Deloreans and BlackBerrys. They just aren't the mainstream.

 Accolade wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
But then why not produce Sisters before this AM release or even the Harlequin releases? I personally think GW doesn't believe there is great enough interest in Sisters to warrant a significant release; they've become quite risk adverse (for good reason) and seem to see these other releases as having more potential than SoB.

Obviously I'm giving them time to produce the models, but then again I've kind of given up waiting since their models date back to 2nd edition so it doesn't really matter too much what I think. I do believe Sisters will eventually get released, but it will be after they've exhausted any of these other potentially more profitable lines. And whenever they do release them, it won't be because of anything the customers have done or said, it'll be management going "well, I guess we still have those battle nuns we never got around to authorizing."

I do however look forward to their eventual update if the new Skitarii are anything to go by (who make me think of some sort of male SoB).

Ad Mech has been waiting since 2nd Ed to have rules to play with. I think the Solitaire has been waiting almost as long.

If you want to complain about anyone getting an update early, why not the Marines and Tau who are rumored for this year?

Complain? How am I complaining? I think you're missing the intention of my post.

I don't care if Harlequins, Space Marines, or any one else is released before Sisters, I am simply looking at the actions GW has taken over the last many years and projecting my interpretation of why Sisters have languished and their possible future.

There isn't some waiting/fairness competition going on at GW to determine when things should get released. GW releases things depending on how profitable they expect them to be and how they can grow the brand. It's just business straight-up. I have a strong feeling that their attempt to re-invigorate Sisters during the Witch Hunters era was an attempt to make their appeal more inclusive to customers (it's not just nuns with guns, it's also witch hunters and crusading Imperial forces!), but it did not work out anywhere near the level they had hoped for. Since then, GW has been cautious about doing the work required to release SoB kits since then. They still put Sisters in blurbs in the fluff because it costs absolutely nothing, but to re-do their metal kits is and start distribution is something that would require substantial investment.

Now, GW seems to have become okay with releasing these mini-codexes that we've seen with Knights, Harelquins and (probably) Skitarii, where the lists consists of a few units. Since they seem more interested in the fluff and universe than the gaming aspect of these books, it does seem like a prime point to re-introduce Sisters. I think someone at GW finally got wind of how popular AM is (or more likely saw the sales numbers from Mechanicum stuff) and thought that this project would be a greater venue generator than Sisters. The only thing I can't guess at is if there are other mini-factions that GW feels hold more popularity or if Sisters will be the next mini-codex to appear (after the reboots of the most popular lines that we have been hearing rumors about).

Now, I am certainly excited to see Sisters eventually get a release, they are one of the more interesting factions that exist in 40k. But I think that approaching this from a business perspective helps indicate why SoB have languished from updates for these many years. It's not like they are losing SoB customers due to time waiting, from what I've noticed those fans are so fervent in their attention to Sisters that they can wait however long it takes.

I see Skitarii and Dark Eldar as the stepping stones to seeing a proper Sisters release. That's it.

Wait, so I ask you how I'm complaining and then say you misunderstood my intention, and you respond by saying I'm defensive and spend too much time on tumblr? Really?

EDIT: ah, you edited that bit out before I responded. Well, it's not worth getting into anyway.

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Or, to put it in GW speak and perspective, and more succinctly

"It's our fault for not buying more Sisters!"

I don't think you can fault larger trends to individual consumers. I am sure there are people out there still in love with New Coke, Deloreans and BlackBerrys. They just aren't the mainstream.

I am not holding anyone at fault, I was, as I felt I had gone to pains to point out, merely phrasing it how GW would express it. It isn't the first time the sentiment of "it's the customers fault for not buying enough stuff" has come out of Lenton in one way or another.

 Azreal13 wrote:


I am not holding anyone at fault, I was, as I felt I had gone to pains to point out, merely phrasing it how GW would express it. It isn't the first time the sentiment of "it's the customers fault for not buying enough stuff" has come out of Lenton in one way or another.

Really? Link, Source, Quote?

If anything, GW's known for never saying anything, one way or the other.

 Accolade wrote:
Wait, so I ask you how I'm complaining and then say you misunderstood my intention, and you respond by saying I'm defensive and spend too much time on tumblr? Really?

EDIT: ah, you edited that bit out before I responded. Well, it's not worth getting into anyway.

I edited it out because I realized I was being too confrontational for something I'm tired of getting into. Just because GW hasn't put Sisters out proves nothing. It doesn't prove they are not working on them (or won't work on them) and any release that solves the problems that they stated concerns about in the past (hair, sleeves) only goes to show that solutions are being created and, in my opinion, the army will be better for it.

Frankly I want Sisters to be done right more than I want them to be done soon.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I edited it out because I realized I was being too confrontational for something I'm tired of getting into. Just because GW hasn't put Sisters out proves nothing. It doesn't prove they are not working on them (or won't work on them) and any release that solves the problems that they stated concerns about in the past (hair, sleeves) only goes to show that solutions are being created and, in my opinion, the army will be better for it.

Frankly I want Sisters to be done right more than I want them to be done soon.

Right, which is why I said my thoughts were my opinion on the matter. GW could have been delaying Sisters this whole time because Tom Kirby had traumatic experiences with nuns in elementary school for all we know.

Well, one day Sisters will be released. I do hope that they look nice, and I really hope that GW hires someone who knows how to sculpt women's faces!

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:


I am not holding anyone at fault, I was, as I felt I had gone to pains to point out, merely phrasing it how GW would express it. It isn't the first time the sentiment of "it's the customers fault for not buying enough stuff" has come out of Lenton in one way or another.

Really? Link, Source, Quote?

If anything, GW's known for never saying anything, one way or the other.

As with most things, it is anecdotal, I thought that was implied? Do keep up.

 Azreal13 wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:


I am not holding anyone at fault, I was, as I felt I had gone to pains to point out, merely phrasing it how GW would express it. It isn't the first time the sentiment of "it's the customers fault for not buying enough stuff" has come out of Lenton in one way or another.

Really? Link, Source, Quote?

If anything, GW's known for never saying anything, one way or the other.

As with most things, it is anecdotal, I thought that was implied? Or aren't you good at keeping up?

I am good at spotting confirmation bias via people putting words into other people's (or companies') mouth.

You're good at disguises too.

[quote0=Accolade 640125 7705618 886d84101b52cf3a99472f31c4be1203.png]It doesn't sound like Sisters are anywhere on the horizon (the horizon being anything this year). But at least the new Skitarii demonstrate that robes can be modeled in plastic effectively, which I know was the big hurdle GW sculptors had mentioned previously.

Guess it just seems like GW just doesn't want to make Sisters, considering they're now being supplanted by factions that haven't been present since 2nd edition.

Well, maybe one day.

It was sleeves, not robes in general that was the problem. That and the hair.

Hey Talys, I meant more the arms, which are positioned in different ways such that robes could look unnatural. GW's been doing hoods and capes forever now, it was just this one little issue that had been mentioned way back when that had always stuck.

EDIT: Clockwork beat me to the punch!