Sixty 32mm bases for £20. Forty 25mm and 40mm for £20. Eighteen 60mm, 75mm and 90mm bases for £20.
Those are all pretty damn cheap for moulded bases! The 32mm are 33p each! The last time I bought moulded bases were the resin 25mm bases from Anvil Industry which are £7 for 10 (70p) each.
Sixty 32mm bases for £20.
Forty 25mm and 40mm for £20.
Eighteen 60mm, 75mm and 90mm bases for £20.
Those are all pretty damn cheap for moulded bases! The 32mm are 33p each! The last time I bought moulded bases were the resin 25mm bases from Anvil Industry which are £7 for 10 (70p) each.
These aren't limited edition are they?
It doesn't sound like it, no. Smart move indeed, backed up by better pricing. Hard to not like these.
Sixty 32mm bases for £20.
Forty 25mm and 40mm for £20.
Eighteen 60mm, 75mm and 90mm bases for £20.
Those are all pretty damn cheap for moulded bases! The 32mm are 33p each! The last time I bought moulded bases were the resin 25mm bases from Anvil Industry which are £7 for 10 (70p) each.
These aren't limited edition are they?
& they're up on the gamingfigures site for pre-order at £17 each.
Speaking of bases, do we know any 40k model that uses 90mm oval base? Spawn of Cryptus and Deathwatch Biker come with 75mm oval. Ballistarii, Deathstorm Carnifex and Ghostkeel Battlesuit with 105mm oval. Even from Age of Sigmar range, I can't think of anything but Dracothian Cavalry (including the boss from Starter Set) and Khorgorath that come with 90mm oval base.
However, this would not be the first time that a base is available separately before any miniature uses it. 160mm round base was released separately before Archaon and I still don't know any miniature that uses 80mm round base (it looks lovely on Carnifex and Deff Dreads, though),
75mm oval base looks great on Space Marine and Ork Bikes, way better than the old bike base.
There's a distinct difference in finishes between glossy red and transparent red over a metallic base, have a look at many of the Khorne Daemon Engines from FW for examples of the latter. I'm pretty sure for display purposes you're still better off doing it the old fashioned way, but at an army painting level, coat of metallic, highlight, coat of gemstone will probably get a better effect vs time spent.
Yep. I'd guess the "gemstone" paints are basically red ink + glossy gel medium, the idea being to slap on a thick transparent coat and get a glass-like surface.
Too bad they didn't include a gemstone yellow, you could have used it as a highlight for red and green - you can of course mix your own, though.
Redemption wrote: The Leviathan and Deredeo Dreadnoughts come on 80mm bases, I believe.
Still no good base size for an Attack Bike though, I guess.
Normal dreadnought base should fit Attack Bikes just fine.. That's what I use for mine. I've started using the ovals for my Ravenwing and they look fantastic.
There's a distinct difference in finishes between glossy red and transparent red over a metallic base, have a look at many of the Khorne Daemon Engines from FW for examples of the latter. I'm pretty sure for display purposes you're still better off doing it the old fashioned way, but at an army painting level, coat of metallic, highlight, coat of gemstone will probably get a better effect vs time spent.
Yep. I'd guess the "gemstone" paints are basically red ink + glossy gel medium, the idea being to slap on a thick transparent coat and get a glass-like surface.
Too bad they didn't include a gemstone yellow, you could have used it as a highlight for red and green.
Redemption wrote: The Leviathan and Deredeo Dreadnoughts come on 80mm bases, I believe.
Still no good base size for an Attack Bike though, I guess.
Normal dreadnought base should fit Attack Bikes just fine.. That's what I use for mine. I've started using the ovals for my Ravenwing and they look fantastic.
They can be placed on it, but they really crowd the base. Now that marines are on 32mm and bikers appears to get the upgrade to the 75x46mm oval - which looks more better than the smaller base sizes I believe - it would have been nice to get a base size that fits the Attack Bike well. I might try an 80mm round one once I paint up mine though, see how that looks.
They can be placed on it, but they really crowd the base. .
Which is as it should be. The base is supposed to define the area occupied by the miniature on the tabletop. Making it substantially larger then the miniature's footprint works against that.
For the same reason, while the 32mm bases for infantry look pretty, they were the wrong way to go, IMO.
25mm bases are too small for a lot of models though. If I do a top down view of my Blood Angels Assault Marines on a 32mm base, they nicely fill the circle with little empty space and the only overhang is the occasional barrel or chainsword for the dramatic poses, which is as it should be imo.
On the opposite side of the spectrum, my Tyranid Genestealers are still on 25mm bases, and if they ever get into a massed close combat I need a crowbar to get them apart again, because all the overhanging arms and legs will be tangled up worse than a headphone cord storage place after an earthquake.
Sixty 32mm bases for £20.
Forty 25mm and 40mm for £20.
Eighteen 60mm, 75mm and 90mm bases for £20.
Those are all pretty damn cheap for moulded bases! The 32mm are 33p each! The last time I bought moulded bases were the resin 25mm bases from Anvil Industry which are £7 for 10 (70p) each.
These aren't limited edition are they?
It doesn't sound like it, no. Smart move indeed, backed up by better pricing. Hard to not like these.
The great irony is that we have gotten accustomed to super high prices for sculpted bases, presumably because they are relatively low volume (I think a lot of, or even a majority of, people don't even bother to dress bases up). I'd have to guess that I've spent a thousand bucks or more on sculpted bases in my lifetime, usually at around SWM prices -- something like US$1+ each for the smallest bases, and rapidly increasing in price for 40mm, 50mm, etc.
I am really happy about these being in plastic AND cheaper than the market price of bases. Plus, in intelligent quantities to be useful in GW-game size armies.
It's a very smart business move from GW (since they have the in house sculpting/tooling and production facilities that mean this is far cheaper for them than almost everybody else in the industry, and they're selling them at prices that undercut most of the alternatives
and it's actually going to do a bunch of damage to a lot of the smaller companies that also make lookey-likey stuff for gw minis that they would rather not exist (as steady sales of resin bases are a reliable income stream for a fair few of them)
so happy buyers as they get stuff that's easier to use than resin and cheaper than resin (and official for people stuck in the GW only meta)
and happy GW as they get sales, please the customers and give the minor industry players another subtle kick after the 32mm base change (as even if the change was not aimed at the resin base makers it will have annoyed GW seeing how fast 32mm resins appeared)
Redemption wrote: 25mm bases are too small for a lot of models though. If I do a top down view of my Blood Angels Assault Marines on a 32mm base, they nicely fill the circle with little empty space and the only overhang is the occasional barrel or chainsword for the dramatic poses, which is as it should be imo.
On the opposite side of the spectrum, my Tyranid Genestealers are still on 25mm bases, and if they ever get into a massed close combat I need a crowbar to get them apart again, because all the overhanging arms and legs will be tangled up worse than a headphone cord storage place after an earthquake.
This. Heck, I'm considering rebasing my Dark Eldar and Necrons too. The positioning of the legs on Necron Warriors and Kabalites in particular, is a pain in the bum. Models in running poses and jump pack guys on 25mm also annoys me, as more often than not, they fall over. Sometimes resulting in damaged models. 32mm bases are a good thing IMO.
Yeah, 32mm bases were a godsend in every respect imo. They look better, fit most GW miniatures better, keep models from falling over and play better with widely posed models that get tangled up in close combat. 25mm bases were fine for 25mm metal models from yesteryear with tight poses, but nowadays I don't see much need for them outside smaller models like small critters, dwarfs, smaller humans and possibly slender elves, although elves/eldar tend to have those wide poses I was talking about and so benefit from a wider base. The two eleven characters in Silver Tower are extremely small and slender yet look great on a 32mm base. Harlequins would probably benefit as well. I've also based my entire Inquisimunda Warband, which consists of man-sized models, on 32s.
I have all my Bloodletters and Plaguebearers on 32mm bases, but I'm keeping my Daemonettes and Pink Horrors on 25mm. And going by Silver Tower basing, GW seems to be in agreement on the horror's base!!
Re: gemstone paints; apparently you just put down a layer of silver (they specify the new silver, conveniently released at the same time, but you should be able to use p.much any white metal) then put the gem paint over the top (looks like a moderately thick layer) and it sets to a glossy gem-like finish.
The images on the site indicate they might have found a gel medium with a fairly high RI so you get close to the same pattern of light and dark within as you get in an actual transparent droplet if the light is right.
Anyway it seems that "what they're good for" is gemstones in two passes instead of half a dozen at least, which is a massive improvement for anyone who has an elf infestation.
Mr_Rose wrote: Re: gemstone paints; apparently you just put down a layer of silver (they specify the new silver, conveniently released at the same time, but you should be able to use p.much any white metal) then put the gem paint over the top (looks like a moderately thick layer) and it sets to a glossy gem-like finish.
The images on the site indicate they might have found a gel medium with a fairly high RI so you get close to the same pattern of light and dark within as you get in an actual transparent droplet if the light is right.
Anyway it seems that "what they're good for" is gemstones in two passes instead of half a dozen at least, which is a massive improvement for anyone who has an elf infestation.
It just looks similar to a clear to me, similar to Tamiya's clears. When you paint a clear over a metallic you get a candy effect, which when applied to a small convex surface tends to give a gem-like appearance.
RobertsMinis wrote: Is it just me or are the new paints unavailable to preorder in the UK from the GW website?
Stormhost Silver and gem paints are temporarily out of stock. The other two new metals are available.
I pre-ordered all the base kits but missed the paints. Given that they aren't released in several days anyway, I will just wait and see when they will be restocked.
timetowaste85 wrote: I have all my Bloodletters and Plaguebearers on 32mm bases, but I'm keeping my Daemonettes and Pink Horrors on 25mm. And going by Silver Tower basing, GW seems to be in agreement on the horror's base!!
Eh a lot of people on BGG though disagree, and our gaming group here also for the horrors. The ST book does have a lot of base misprints in it on what to use.
The pinks go on the 32mm provided as they fit much better. I would leave deamonettes on 25 though as they are thin
Love the look of the new paints. Have a lot of Khorne brass edging to paint and some nasty claggy brass paint I hate using. Will be snapping up the new brass asap. Also planning a Tau army and am thinking the blue gemstone paint will make for some quick and easy eye lenses.
Mr_Rose wrote: Re: gemstone paints; apparently you just put down a layer of silver (they specify the new silver, conveniently released at the same time, but you should be able to use p.much any white metal) then put the gem paint over the top (looks like a moderately thick layer) and it sets to a glossy gem-like finish.
The images on the site indicate they might have found a gel medium with a fairly high RI so you get close to the same pattern of light and dark within as you get in an actual transparent droplet if the light is right.
Anyway it seems that "what they're good for" is gemstones in two passes instead of half a dozen at least, which is a massive improvement for anyone who has an elf infestation.
Thank you very much for the explanation. Greatly appreciate it.
Yeah it's done with Angron Red, although they do pre-shading before doing the clear step (you can either use different shades of silver, or green and blue for this). Also keep in mind, FW's is an airbrush paint - I doubt you can use the new GW ones with an airbrush tbh.
Yeah it's done with Angron Red, although they do pre-shading before doing the clear step (you can either use different shades of silver, or green and blue for this). Also keep in mind, FW's is an airbrush paint - I doubt you can use the new GW ones with an airbrush tbh.
It would depend entirely upon the consistency of the gem effect stuff.
Washes go through the airbrushes just fine, provided you use the right needle/PSI.
Frozen Ocean wrote: The issue isn't in the wash, it's in the metallic base. Brushed paints just can't get a metallic finish like airbrush paints can.
The new gold, retributor armour, comes pretty close though, and the new metallics that are part of this release (which no-one seems to be talking about) appear to have the same basic formulation.
The metallic colors are not the problem, it's the layers of clear that require an airbrush to create extremely thin and even coats that you progressively build up. New metallics and clears are not going to make that any less miserable with a brush.
Frozen Ocean wrote: The issue isn't in the wash, it's in the metallic base. Brushed paints just can't get a metallic finish like airbrush paints can.
Well no, it depends entirely on brush, technique, and paint. Indeed, with good sable brushes and slightly-thinned Vallejo alcohol-based metallics, you'll get a metallic finish far superior to any airbrush. Even with more standard materials the difference isn't anywhere near as pronounced as you seem to be implying.
Airbrushes are a useful tool if you're willing to put in the money, time, and effort to own and learn to use & maintain it properly, but it's always dismaying to see people evangelising them to the point of denigrating what's achievable with trad brushes because I've met people in the past who've internalised that kind of nonsense and stopped bothering to improve their painting as a direct result(because they couldn't afford/use an airbrush and believed they'd never be able to be a properly good painter without one, so why bother going beyond base, drybrush, wash, edge highlight?).
EDIT: And Vhalyar, that seems to be rather the point of these new paints; by using a gel-based medium you can apply one or two coats with a brush and it will self-level to produce the appropriate finish. I'll be interested to see what uses it can be put to.
I replicated the ruby FW scheme with a brush on a small test model. Using the Tamiya produces a much darker red over Runefang steel though. I have the Angron Red from FW and using a painstaking layering process you can exactly replicate the FW models. I would not recommend this method in any way if an airbrush is available.
Highly recommend the FW paints though as they do work well with a brush. Better than you'd think they would.
Yeah it's done with Angron Red, although they do pre-shading before doing the clear step (you can either use different shades of silver, or green and blue for this). Also keep in mind, FW's is an airbrush paint - I doubt you can use the new GW ones with an airbrush tbh.
In the HH Masterclass book, there is a step by step of this very similarly colored Knight Styrix (at least for the red shoulders):
As Atia said, this is was done with silvers, greens and blues -- the basecoat is silver, then thinned green and blue paint preshades the darker areas on the red. Then, finally, a thin (translucent) coat of red covers it all, and the green areas become darker red, and the blue areas become even darker shadows. I tried it out with an airbrush on some models that didn't matter, and it works really well. I'd say the trickiest part is keeping the paint consistency the same, as you'll get different sorts of shading and different shades of red if your green, blue, and red aren't uniformly thinned. And, of course, you need to possess an airbrush skill level beyond "rattle can replacement" -- as do-overs are really time consuming, and may require stripping of a piece.
I've been experimenting with the Vallejo metallic medium to get a similar effect abit easier. It works quite nice with blues and purples but have hard a hard time with the reds. The Metallic Medium lightens the pigments of what ever paint you use. I haven't been able to find a dark enough red in any range that mixes "just right".
The best results I have gotten so to make a mix of 1:1 Vallejo Black-Red to Metallic Mediuem, and to them paint over it with Vallejo Transparent Red or a red ink. It's not the FW look 100%, but I think it would look close enough for most people. You could use a lighter red with more mediuem might get closer yet to the yet you see from FW.
I'm able to get quite a nice bright vibrant Purple with a 1:1 of Game-air hexed lichen and Mediuem.
Lockark wrote: I've been experimenting with the Vallejo metallic medium to get a similar effect abit easier. It works quite nice with blues and purples but have hard a hard time with the reds. The Metallic Medium lightens the pigments of what ever paint you use. I haven't been able to find a dark enough red in any range that mixes "just right".
The best results I have gotten so to make a mix of 1:1 Vallejo Black-Red to Metallic Mediuem, and to them paint over it with Vallejo Transparent Red or a red ink. It's not the FW look 100%, but I think it would look close enough for most people. You could use a lighter red with more mediuem might get closer yet to the yet you see from FW.
I'm able to get quite a nice bright vibrant Purple with a 1:1 of Game-air hexed lichen and Mediuem.
So it is the Engineseer that came bundled with the Lemans Russ and theven Spawn of Cryptus. I already own the Spawn of Cryptus(for a diorama either Captain Karlaen), so no need for him and don't have any desire to get the Engineseer. If it weren't for the shipping crates, this would be a pretty boring week. Unfortunately, this is probably the only 40K for a while.
Shipping containers are $50 USD. Still a pretty good deal since you get three of them.
RoninXiC wrote: 33€ for that Broodlord.. enlighten me again about the price of thatboard game it was included in?
No idea on the euro pricing but here in the states it was $125 USA and the Broodlord is $40. So you are paying a ton more for him individually, but the boxed sets were amazing deals anyway.
RoninXiC wrote: 33€ for that Broodlord.. enlighten me again about the price of thatboard game it was included in?
No idea on the euro pricing but here in the states it was $125 USA and the Broodlord is $40. So you are paying a ton more for him individually, but the boxed sets were amazing deals anyway.
Shield of Baal had a campaign booklet but wasn't really a board game, I don't think.
Kind of an odd choice selling the broodlord like this esp. when people are parting out Deathwatch Overkill's Patriarch for around $15US.
Yeah, I'm a little bummed by the price. I was hoping at most they would be $37, which is the price for the promethium relay pipes.
At $50, they went from probably would buy 2 sets for a big shipping depot terrain piece to I might buy 1 set once I can figure something else out.
They also had the potential to be space double wide and left open topped for some cool Zone Mortalis corridors, but that's pretty much an non-starter at the $50 price point. It's actually cheaper to just buy FW.
Holy christ that's unreal. That's...a unit upgrade. That's like, a step above an Ork Nob. Better not give them ideas. They'll remove character options from other units and sell them as £18-£20 clampacks.
Let's not forget the CSM Aspiring Champion exists already.
Holy christ that's unreal. That's...a unit upgrade. That's like, a step above an Ork Nob. Better not give them ideas. They'll remove character options from other units and sell them as £18-£20 clampacks.
Let's not forget the CSM Aspiring Champion exists already.
Used to be an HQ choice in 4th didn't it? Can also be used as the Spawn of Cryptus. May one day go back to being a Codex HQ choice too.
RoninXiC wrote: 33€ for that Broodlord.. enlighten me again about the price of thatboard game it was included in?
No idea on the euro pricing but here in the states it was $125 USA and the Broodlord is $40. So you are paying a ton more for him individually, but the boxed sets were amazing deals anyway.
Shield of Baal had a campaign booklet but wasn't really a board game, I don't think.
Kind of an odd choice selling the broodlord like this esp. when people are parting out Deathwatch Overkill's Patriarch for around $15US.
Deathstorm was a campaign box set (Part of the Shield of Baal campaign) like the Space Wolves & Orks campaign box set, Sanctus Reach: Stormclaw. I wouldn't rule out the Patriarch Broodlord coming out as a separate clamshell either.
Also, the Broodlord is a pretty large model. Hardly your average unit upgrade.
Why oh why did I allow myself to believe those containers would be reasonably priced? $100 NZ is damn near £50 or $70US (not to mention $94Oz)
I'm know it's popular to quote minimum wages/cost of shipping etc for Australasia, but that kind of mark up is frankly way out of kilter with any other consumer product in this market. I see the only GW store in Auckland is now in an out of the way location - I find their business strategy for this market baffling. Perhaps they have given up.
Gordy2000 wrote: Why oh why did I allow myself to believe those containers would be reasonably priced? $100 NZ is damn near £50 or $70US (not to mention $94Oz)
I'm know it's popular to quote minimum wages/cost of shipping etc for Australasia, but that kind of mark up is frankly way out of kilter with any other consumer product in this market. I see the only GW store in Auckland is now in an out of the way location - I find their business strategy for this market baffling. Perhaps they have given up.
So go buy some shipping containers from a company that sells stuff for a reasonable price (which is any company making terrain these days, everyone makes various flavours of shipping container for super reasonable prices) and glue some Storm Bolters on top?
60$ bucks for the container set....hummm I gotta check up the 3rd party prices. I would love to get a set or 5 of them but really 300$ 15 containers and a bunch of random stuff, I dunno.....
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Gordy2000 wrote: Why oh why did I allow myself to believe those containers would be reasonably priced? $100 NZ is damn near £50 or $70US (not to mention $94Oz)
I'm know it's popular to quote minimum wages/cost of shipping etc for Australasia, but that kind of mark up is frankly way out of kilter with any other consumer product in this market. I see the only GW store in Auckland is now in an out of the way location - I find their business strategy for this market baffling. Perhaps they have given up.
No doubt, we get the random "Screw you Canada" GW tax on prices...but I feel for my aussie and kiwi mates who buy GW stuff at retail...all 3 of you
Since trigger happy mods locked my thread and won't answer my pms I will share this here.The hint for the week AFTER the broodlord seems to suggest more Tyranids. Genestealer cult maybe?
Certainly! Here it is.To be absolutely crystal clear this is for the week after the broodlord. Preorder On June 11th. Released on June 18th. The week after the 40k scenery. The enginseer and the broodlord. The source is the spikey bits forums.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Yeah $50 hurts. If they were 33 to 40 I'd be getting 3. At this price I'll stick with 2.
I agree - 50 dollars takes it right out of impulse buy and into 'Planned scenery project." At 40 I would collect them and the would becoma random add on to a small purchase. Now I will limit myself on them.
Barzam wrote: Depending on how much my flgs charges, I may actually purchase a set.
Out of curiosity, did nobody around here purchase the Bones shipping containers? Those are only, like $8. How do you guys not already have a ton of those?
Not available here, and I haven't seen any real feedback on them. Are they hard plastic, or bendy PVC, or...? (And how well do they take sprays/paints?)
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notprop wrote: When I say affordable I mean £5 or so each, like these prepainted foamed plastic ones from Tablescapes. I have a load of these and none of the hassle or smell of MDF.
So for say £15-20 for 3 (+ crates/barrels), I'd be interested in a few of these kits from GW.
While pointing out similar products to a given release is reasonable, any extended discussion of said alternate products should really be held elsewhere, rather than clogging up the news thread...
£10 (~£8 from the usual discounters) for a container, four crates and three barrels seems pretty reasonable compared to the other hard plastic containers on the market.
£8.75 each for makitainers
£7.10 each (+ 20% tax) for Rust Forge containers
£15 each for Italeri containers
When I say affordable I mean £5 or so each, like these prepainted foamed plastic ones from Tablescapes. I have a load of these and none of the hassle or smell of MDF.
So for say £15-20 for 3 (+ crates/barrels), I'd be interested in a few of these kits from GW.
I added an erroneous 's' for some reason before and you found a similarly named US company.
This one is UK based with a US retailer; can't see anything that side of the Kraken sea though.
Pretty cool guy that makes it. I met him at Salute and he challenged me to stand on the containers to prove their durability. Suffice to say I'm no Size Zero and they're super durable!
Re the GW ones, I'm sad that I got the £30 price correct. At discount they're more attractive but still it makes it a one-off buy rather than 3-4.
Also remember that they come with barrels & ammo boxes too.
So £30 for 3 + extra bits means less then £10 each for each crate.
I do feel very sorry for those of you in NZ & Aus though.
Damn! I really wanted to get two boxes so I could use these as objectives, but not now, not at that price point. $66 would have been more than fair, I would have even paid $80, but I just cannot justify $100.
It still ends up at around 15 a crate and about 5 for the extra boxes and details.
and its not some really simple design modern shipping container that looks really off in 40k as is. and i know some of those containers in scale gets stupid expensive.
and this is before discounters so it will end up being 13-12 a container which is fine.
oni wrote: If they were big, sure, but they're not that big. They're about the size of a Coke can laying on its side.
You can buy nearly every other 40K terrain kit for less than $50.00 each.
The price point for this kit was correct at $33.00.
Most of the various shipping container options out there are around US$10-$15 each. So $50 for three with a bunch of other stuff is pretty much on the money.
Yeah, I don't think I can be mad at this price point. Solid cost for a solid release. Besides, all the cheap went into their bases at just over 50 cents each for the 32's
bubber wrote: Also remember that they come with barrels & ammo boxes too.
1. Never get between Dakka and a good witch burning.
2. I think everyone and their grandmother already has enough barrels and boxes to last a lifetime.
I think most people would get more value out of a full sized thunderhawk. That said, it would be nice if a potential plastic thunderhawk had some clamps to carry one or two of these things, like how the storm raven is supposed to carry a dreadnought.,
Knowing GW, they (or Forgeworld?) may even have a 'Cargo Flyer' kit planned - something small and lightly armoured, effectively a flying truck (as opposed to a Stormeagle or Thunderhawk). Fluff-wise, is there a suitable existing candidate?
Converting something suitable from Land Speeder bits wouldn't seem too hard. Even just as scenery, it would add visual interest to what would otherwise be just another pile of containers.
Knowing GW, they (or Forgeworld?) may even have a 'Cargo Flyer' kit planned - something small and lightly armoured, effectively a flying truck (as opposed to a Stormeagle or Thunderhawk). Fluff-wise, is there a suitable existing candidate?
Converting something suitable from Land Speeder bits wouldn't seem too hard. Even just as scenery, it would add visual interest to what would otherwise be just another pile of containers.
Well the Skytalon would seem to fit the bill as is:
Knowing GW, they (or Forgeworld?) may even have a 'Cargo Flyer' kit planned - something small and lightly armoured, effectively a flying truck (as opposed to a Stormeagle or Thunderhawk). Fluff-wise, is there a suitable existing candidate?
Converting something suitable from Land Speeder bits wouldn't seem too hard. Even just as scenery, it would add visual interest to what would otherwise be just another pile of containers.
Well the Skytalon would seem to fit the bill as is:
Knowing GW, they (or Forgeworld?) may even have a 'Cargo Flyer' kit planned - something small and lightly armoured, effectively a flying truck (as opposed to a Stormeagle or Thunderhawk). Fluff-wise, is there a suitable existing candidate?
Converting something suitable from Land Speeder bits wouldn't seem too hard. Even just as scenery, it would add visual interest to what would otherwise be just another pile of containers.
The SW storm wolf looks like a cargo ship. Guess it could be cut to make a big cargo lifter/dropper.
Sky talon's only reason to exist was to showcase Elysians. Other than that, it had absolutely terrible rules so it makes perfect sense why they never made more add-ons too it. Can't imagine it sold many models.
oni wrote: If they were big, sure, but they're not that big. They're about the size of a Coke can laying on its side.
You can buy nearly every other 40K terrain kit for less than $50.00 each.
The price point for this kit was correct at $33.00.
Yeah, I could have been persuaded to buy them at $30-ish, but not $50.
About the size of a Coke can laying on its side, you say? If I read that image correctly, the rules are included in WD 123. Cool. Sounds like a future scratch build. Slap some plasticard on a Coke can, add some rivets, and I've got some Orkified shipping containers.
Not that I think the Container Rules are a must - there's enough special rules and random tables without them. I'd probably just run them as a piece of terrain or a bunker.
I could see some papercraft hex-containers popping out soonish.. Corrugated texture with some x-shaped reinforcements, gothic vents and skull logos, done.
Insurgency Walker wrote: The containers look a little big to fit under a sky talon, but it would be nice if they did.
I was wondering this myself, so I measured mine. It's about 3.7cm between the clamp heads and has 1 - 1.5cm depth from the centre of the clamp to the shallow ceiling of the cargo space (Is that what you'd call it?).
"I saw a picture of an exclusive HH Space Marine, which will be available in GW stores the 25th June. It's a World Eater, with a long blade / short Spear, and Terminator armour. The price will be 35€, while stock last... "
As usual, take it with a bit of salt, I may get confirmation pics end of the day.
angelofvengeance wrote: Feels like the ones in the blog were a bit more rough arsed. The White Dwarf pics look like they were done a bit better.
To be honest, the half-arsed blog pics are probably a lot closer to what the average joe is going to get out of the paints. Call it truth in advertising.
Vhalyar wrote: Amusingly enough, the blue gem on the Wraithknight's chest looks considerably better than the red example.
Possibly something to do with the red/green being painted on copper/brass, instead of shiny silver. The bright yellow armour probably isn't the best contrast for bringing the shiny gems out, either.
Scott-S6 wrote: £10 (~£8 from the usual discounters) for a container, four crates and three barrels seems pretty reasonable compared to the other hard plastic containers on the market.
£8.75 each for makitainers
£7.10 each (+ 20% tax) for Rust Forge containers
£15 each for Italeri containers
Haven't ordered from them, but if I were looking for containers, I'd probably go with Ironheart...
"I saw a picture of an exclusive HH Space Marine, which will be available in GW stores the 25th June. It's a World Eater, with a long blade / short Spear, and Terminator armour. The price will be 35€, while stock last... "
As usual, take it with a bit of salt, I may get confirmation pics end of the day.
Well hearing the price for the containers puts me in the "maybe" category now. I was really thinking 2 bags of bases and scenery would fit my budget...
Oh, look at that, he won't be available when I am at a GW store. Oh well, I don't really like the sculpt. Helmetless Marines are fail to me. Though, if he is like BC Centos, perhaps he has options for both.
I like the model apart from the head, I just don't get what it's in aid of, and it seems weird for a forge world model to be limited edition in GW stores.
He could very well be a Terran veteran, who would sometimes sport such iconography to denote their involvement in the early days of Unification and the Great Crusade.
ImAGeek wrote: Well, it could be a loyalist, or it could be very early on in the heresy.
The only people who really wore that aquila were the EC and Garro, if I recall right.
It was rare outside the EC (if it even is a Paletine Aquila, it's quite hard to see well), but others did have it. Unification veterans mainly I think.
ImAGeek wrote: Well, it could be a loyalist, or it could be very early on in the heresy.
The only people who really wore that aquila were the EC and Garro, if I recall right.
It was rare outside the EC (if it even is a Paletine Aquila, it's quite hard to see well), but others did have it. Unification veterans mainly I think.
That was the raptor head thing (raptor imperialis?) with the lightning to mark a Unification Wars vet, I thought.
The EC and Garro sported the actual emblem of the Emperor. From the miserable circe 2000 cell phone camera picture we can see, it looks like this:
Which is the Palatine Aquila... which is again, pretty much not that common. Wonder if they will explain it at all or just handwave it.
Yeah. I'm pretty sure the palatine Aquila is used elsewhere rarely but I dunno where off the top of my head. Also, I don't think Garro has the Palatine Aquila, he just has an eagle on his armour.
ImAGeek wrote: I like the model apart from the head, I just don't get what it's in aid of, and it seems weird for a forge world model to be limited edition in GW stores.
The why is puzzling me as well. Especially as its a FWHH model not a main GW40k one. Could GW be finally releasing the Calth kits separately or/and a 2nd HH boxed game at the end of June?
ImAGeek wrote: I like the model apart from the head, I just don't get what it's in aid of, and it seems weird for a forge world model to be limited edition in GW stores.
The why is puzzling me as well. Especially as its a FWHH model not a main GW40k one. Could GW be finally releasing the Calth kits separately or/and a 2nd HH boxed game at the end of June?
Either of your scenarios would be great. I would love to get ahold of some of the models from Calth(Contemptor, Cataphractii, Chaplain-type dude), but I don't need Tacticals. If they did a box that was Imperial Fists vs. Iron Warriors in Mk. III armor, that would be awesome too.
ImAGeek wrote: I like the model apart from the head, I just don't get what it's in aid of, and it seems weird for a forge world model to be limited edition in GW stores.
Maybe he'll come with 2 head options. One can hope, at least...
ImAGeek wrote: I like the model apart from the head, I just don't get what it's in aid of, and it seems weird for a forge world model to be limited edition in GW stores.
The why is puzzling me as well. Especially as its a FWHH model not a main GW40k one. Could GW be finally releasing the Calth kits separately or/and a 2nd HH boxed game at the end of June?
Sad Panda mentioned the latter will be released end of 2016. The clampack re-release of the Assassins was 7 months after EF. So we could see the Betrayal at Calth miniatures like Mk4 released in boxes in June as the game came in November 2015.
Was really curious about the gemstone paints, and hadn't seen much review on them, so figured I'd post this here.
It's basically a thickened glossy translucent ink. Attached is a picture that shows the blue applied over a coat of a very light silver.
The effect works ok. I don't know that it makes a good gemstone effect though. The blue is a bit dark for a lenses effect, but still looks alright nonetheless.
A cleaner job can be done with a mixture of paint and a gloss coat, but if you want to save multiple steps, it works pretty well.
piperider361 wrote: Was really curious about the gemstone paints, and hadn't seen much review on them, so figured I'd post this here.
It's basically a thickened glossy translucent ink. Attached is a picture that shows the blue applied over a coat of a very light silver.
The effect works ok. I don't know that it makes a good gemstone effect though. The blue is a bit dark for a lenses effect, but still looks alright nonetheless.
A cleaner job can be done with a mixture of paint and a gloss coat, but if you want to save multiple steps, it works pretty well.
Yah seems to be okay for speed painting armies but by hand even relatively average/poor painter(like myself) can likely do better job by hand.
Could see that being a lifesaver with eldars though...If I ever get around building smallish eldar force(good thing smallish MEANS small in 2nd ed!) that MIGHT be handy.
Okay, I've got my hands on some and the new plastic bases GW is putting out are some of the best ever done. Not even white knighting here. These things are genuinely awesome. They're thicker than the standard plastic "blanks" and they're being sold very close to the same price. They also appear to offer greater variety of individual base designs than the 3rd party guys, with certain exceptions.
I don't know if GW will ever do xenos bases but they did release the Tau fort thing so I guess anything is possible.
Breotan wrote: ...They're thicker than the standard plastic "blanks"...
Hmmm, I'd expected them to be exactly the same. There'd presumably be no manufacturing difference, as the embossing would only be a fraction of a millimetre. Surely no accident though, so I wonder what the reason was.
DESCRIPTION
When the Blood Angels descended upon Phodia, its defences had all but been overrun. The Hive Mind had turned from conquest to consumption, and the ruins thronged with swarms of digestion organisms. However, broods of Tyranids still remained, hunting down and devouring the remaining survivors. The Blood Angels classified these beasts as the Phodian Annihilation Swarm, and it was these bio-horrors that gathered to repel their invasion… This dataslate provides a formation datasheet for the Phodian Annihilation Swarm, plus datasheets for the units that comprise it, along with all the special rules, psychic powers and wargear you need to use this formation in your games of Warhammer 40,000.
CONTENTS
3 datasheets: The Children of Cryptus, Phodian Hive Warriors and The Beast of Phodia
Phodian Annihilation Swarm formation datasheet
Rules for the weapons and biomorphs used by the models in the formation
Tyranids special rules and psychic powers
Are there more units/formations for nids you need to buy via microtransaction then are in their codex these days? How many little sumpliment/datasheet things they up to now?
(I know GW did give some out for free, it just seems there is more stuff out of their book then in these days)
There is. Between Shield of Baal and their 3-part series for tyranid formations yes, more of the tyranid stuff is out of codex than in now. Basically only normal units are in the codex. Everything else is out there in the wild across I want to say 6 different sources right now (3 Shield of Baal and 3 of the other series).
I picked up some of the new bases and yeah they are great. 60 bases with 15 unique designs, thicker plastic and a solid middle chunk that I'm assuming is there for pinning models.
Got a pot of the gemstone paint and it's okay. I'm going to see what it does through an airbrush on metallics, and see if it works as a replacement for those Forgeworld recipes.
I hope they FAQ the containers as they have toughness and wounds but no specific poison exemption rules. I can see the argument already. My splinter cannons wounded out your containers.
Me WTF?
Its RAW.
Me so you have metal killing poison crystals?
Umm..... yeh they are acidic.
Me why do you never playtest with donkey caves to jam this out GW!!!!!!!?
ThirstySpaceMan wrote: I hope they FAQ the containers as they have toughness and wounds but no specific poison exemption rules. I can see the argument already. My splinter cannons wounded out your containers.
Me WTF?
Its RAW.
Me so you have metal killing poison crystals?
Umm..... yeh they are acidic.
Me why do you never playtest with donkey caves to jam this out GW!!!!!!!?
Well don't expect GW rules(or fluff sometimes...How come things are sporting daemon heads as trophy when daemons vanish then they get beaten?). Poison against metal non living things? Poison against daemons?
Logically poison works against living organism only but theres already stuff against which poison makes no sense. So don't expect FAQ.
Imagine poison in bullets being swapped for super acid melting poison against containers like you are supposed to think bullets poison is some holy water or something against daemons
ThirstySpaceMan wrote: I hope they FAQ the containers as they have toughness and wounds but no specific poison exemption rules. I can see the argument already. My splinter cannons wounded out your containers.
Me WTF?
Its RAW.
Me so you have metal killing poison crystals?
Umm..... yeh they are acidic.
Me why do you never playtest with donkey caves to jam this out GW!!!!!!!?
Actually "poison" is indeed meant to represent things like corrosive ammunition, it's not just organic poison.
ThirstySpaceMan wrote: I hope they FAQ the containers as they have toughness and wounds but no specific poison exemption rules. I can see the argument already. My splinter cannons wounded out your containers.
Me WTF?
Its RAW.
Me so you have metal killing poison crystals?
Umm..... yeh they are acidic.
Me why do you never playtest with donkey caves to jam this out GW!!!!!!!?
Actually "poison" is indeed meant to represent things like corrosive ammunition, it's not just organic poison.
Logical problem with THAT is the huge number of different ammunitions they need to carry. Easily like 3 different types of ammuntion. With enough to sustain.
Either way it's illogical so just forget it and keep playing.
ThirstySpaceMan wrote: I hope they FAQ the containers as they have toughness and wounds but no specific poison exemption rules. I can see the argument already. My splinter cannons wounded out your containers.
Me WTF?
Its RAW.
Me so you have metal killing poison crystals?
Umm..... yeh they are acidic.
Me why do you never playtest with donkey caves to jam this out GW!!!!!!!?
Actually "poison" is indeed meant to represent things like corrosive ammunition, it's not just organic poison.
Logical problem with THAT is the huge number of different ammunitions they need to carry. Easily like 3 different types of ammuntion. With enough to sustain.
Either way it's illogical so just forget it and keep playing.
I guess my point is that yes acid rounds should feth up crons as they are mobile,have servos, chips needed to operate. Not unlike the T-800 it is designed after. Wait my bad wholly original GW space tomb kings. The splinter weapons don't work against vehicles perhaps because there isn't enough acid to eat through plating. So for ''Reasons'' the simple metal box is more a living being than say a sentinel. When will I be able to poison an ageis defense line? GW can't do apples to apples as all must be special snowflakes.
ThirstySpaceMan wrote: I guess my point is that yes acid rounds should feth up crons as they are mobile,have servos, chips needed to operate. Not unlike the T-800 it is designed after. Wait my bad wholly original GW space tomb kings. The splinter weapons don't work against vehicles perhaps because there isn't enough acid to eat through plating. So for ''Reasons'' the simple metal box is more a living being than say a sentinel. When will I be able to poison an ageis defense line? GW can't do apples to apples as all must be special snowflakes.
The Poison rule hasn't had that kind of granularity to it since 1998 and the final days of 2nd edition, so I really don't know what to tell you.
ThirstySpaceMan wrote: I hope they FAQ the containers as they have toughness and wounds but no specific poison exemption rules. I can see the argument already. My splinter cannons wounded out your containers.
Me WTF?
Its RAW.
Me so you have metal killing poison crystals?
Umm..... yeh they are acidic.
Me why do you never playtest with donkey caves to jam this out GW!!!!!!!?
Actually "poison" is indeed meant to represent things like corrosive ammunition, it's not just organic poison.
Logical problem with THAT is the huge number of different ammunitions they need to carry. Easily like 3 different types of ammuntion. With enough to sustain.
Either way it's illogical so just forget it and keep playing.
So my Necrons should be immune to poison? Cool!
Well when you think about it how does POISON affect non-living things made out of metal?
It's illogical but this way there's no need to make up tons of exceptions.
Poison is just a catch-all term for nasty substances that don't care how resilient and massive and tough you are, and just eat right through everything. So sure, they leave big smoking holes in a shipping crate, why not. And of all the races in the universe to complain about poisoning unlikely things, Dark Eldar are the last example to bring up. The entirety of their super-advanced technology has been turned to laser-focus on poisoning and maiming anything possible. They're the Holy Roman Empire of throwing acid in your face.
Badablack wrote: Poison is just a catch-all term for nasty substances that don't care how resilient and massive and tough you are, and just eat right through everything. So sure, they leave big smoking holes in a shipping crate, why not. And of all the races in the universe to complain about poisoning unlikely things, Dark Eldar are the last example to bring up. The entirety of their super-advanced technology has been turned to laser-focus on poisoning and maiming anything possible. They're the Holy Roman Empire of throwing acid in your face.
But on that logic they should be affecting vechiles as well. I mean if one can hurt necrons(super advanced robots) and containers(big solid metal buildings) what trouble say ramshackle ork buggy is going to be?
Between my Quake Cannon Craters, Imperial Defense Lines, and these shipping crates and their contents, I think I could make a good approximation of a drop point/landing site for a table. I envision it as the PDF setting up defense lines, then getting massacred. The Crimson Fists or Blood Angels then bombard the landing site from orbit. Shipping crates are then dropped in alongside Scout Squads in Land Speeder Storms in preparation for the primary force of Drop Pods.
I like making sense of stuff from a fluff perspective.
I'm not sure if anyone else in Australia has heard similar, but the manager at my local GW said that the LEFW Tataros event mini will be available for purchase Friday 24th.
It doesn't seem right to me but it's what he said... and the only posters in store don't have a date they just say 'Ask the staff for more details'.
Thank you, Internet, for reminding me how bad I am at painting. I think I need to add a few more coats of the gemstone paints. It does add a nice gloss to the eyepieces. I need to try it on my Blood Angels, I put more effort into their gems.
SickSix wrote: So are Armor Values just going to be completely done away with? Because at this point that would great.
Give vehicles a toughness value, but keep the facings and give each facing a save value. Might help balance out the difference between high strength low AP single shots and weap AP mid strength weight of fire. Grav would still be a problem though.
So I picked up one of the FW event minis earlier today.
He has his own set of rules. Can't easily take a picture of them currently so I'll just transcribe them here:
Legion Praetor Tribune - 180pts
WS 6|BS 5|S 4|T 4|W 3|I 5|A 4(5*)|Ld 10|Sv 2+
Unit Type: Infantry (Character)
Wargear: Master-crafted Paragon Blade
Iron Halo
Digital Lasers* (hence the 5 attacks)
Tartaros pattern Terminator Armour
Special Rules: Legiones Astartes
Master of the Legion
Independent Character
Exemplary Tribute
Exemplary Tribute: This profile represents a common pattern of deployment for the many lesser Praetors that existed during the glory days of the Space Marine Legions. A Legion Praetor Tribune may be included as a HQ choice in a Space Marine Legion army selected from the Legiones Astartes - Age of Darkness Army list, but may not be given any other options or wargear. It uses the same additional Legion rules as the other units of the detachment it is included in, as per the Legiones Astartes special rule.
A similarly armed Praetor costs about 15pts more but has a combi-bolter. Nothing too special overall.
He has his own set of rules. Can't easily take a picture of them currently so I'll just transcribe them here:
Legion Praetor Tribune - 180pts
WS 6|BS 5|S 4|T 4|W 3|I 5|A 4(5*)|Ld 10|Sv 2+
Unit Type: Infantry (Character)
Wargear: Master-crafted Paragon Blade
Iron Halo
Digital Lasers* (hence the 5 attacks)
Tartaros pattern Terminator Armour
Special Rules: Legiones Astartes
Master of the Legion
Independent Character
Exemplary Tribute
Exemplary Tribute: This profile represents a common pattern of deployment for the many lesser Praetors that existed during the glory days of the Space Marine Legions. A Legion Praetor Tribune may be included as a HQ choice in a Space Marine Legion army selected from the Legiones Astartes - Age of Darkness Army list, but may not be given any other options or wargear. It uses the same additional Legion rules as the other units of the detachment it is included in, as per the Legiones Astartes special rule.
A similarly armed Praetor costs about 15pts more but has a combi-bolter. Nothing too special overall.
Bummer. Nothing special. What a wasted opportunity, FW!
He has his own set of rules. Can't easily take a picture of them currently so I'll just transcribe them here:
Legion Praetor Tribune - 180pts
WS 6|BS 5|S 4|T 4|W 3|I 5|A 4(5*)|Ld 10|Sv 2+
Unit Type: Infantry (Character)
Wargear: Master-crafted Paragon Blade
Iron Halo
Digital Lasers* (hence the 5 attacks)
Tartaros pattern Terminator Armour
Special Rules: Legiones Astartes
Master of the Legion
Independent Character
Exemplary Tribute
Exemplary Tribute: This profile represents a common pattern of deployment for the many lesser Praetors that existed during the glory days of the Space Marine Legions. A Legion Praetor Tribune may be included as a HQ choice in a Space Marine Legion army selected from the Legiones Astartes - Age of Darkness Army list, but may not be given any other options or wargear. It uses the same additional Legion rules as the other units of the detachment it is included in, as per the Legiones Astartes special rule.
A similarly armed Praetor costs about 15pts more but has a combi-bolter. Nothing too special overall.
Bummer. Nothing special. What a wasted opportunity, FW!
Yet had he had something special there would have been a never ending tirade about how broken he is and why GW is always power creeping.
Yet had he had something special there would have been a never ending tirade about how broken he is and why GW is always power creeping.
Naw man, in 30k, the rules tend to be all crazy and fluffy and stuff. Nothing to fear there. Like how the exclusives they did a while back - the Praevian IW and the Delegatus AL - and all was fine there. This guy could have had some special rule, even if just a variant RoW or fluffy "Terminators as Troops" thing. Anything to make him more appealing than a build-your-own Praetor you can normally get. Sure, 15pt discount is great, but I still have no reason to run him as is.
Not that I won't get the model eventually just to paint and give him some kind of decent head-swap, too. That one is just awful.
MacMuckles wrote: Can't you just run him as a regular praetor and convert him? Use Pride of the Legion for troop termies, and done. It's what I plan to do.
Obviously you can. My point was that they didn't try to give him anything special, when they usually do. Just a wasted opportunity.
i'm off to get mine tomorrow...
love Tartaros armor, love the glaive, and love the head...
so stoked about this mini!!!
been waiting a few weeks for this weekend gonna be fun to paint...
The fact that he is wearing Tartaros is pretty nice. The fact he's a little cheaper is nice, too, so I won't feel so bad running him with Suzerains as I do with the BAC guy. Sweeping time!
just got my Legion Preator Tribune today...
very dynamic Termie model
i finally cracked open a box of the new Urban bases...
i have to say, the detail is perfect...
just flat enough to fit models on top of without any troubles, unlike my favorite resin bases, and just raised enough to take outlining with paint perfectly...
they may take a little getting used too, at first glance, if you are used to 3rd party resins, but they are really well designed for a combo of paintability and user friendly basing...
i didn't get a look at the walls and debris yet, but if that box is anything like the bases, i will be happy with it...
the base detail is just raised enough that it looks like they will take drybrushing and washing just fine...
i look forward to checking out the rubble...
The debris box is nice -- there are lots of familiar pieces that are cut on an angle so that when you lay it flat, one side is raised, while the other sinks into the ground, and other pieces that look like broken bits of the same larger model.
Nothing earth-shattering, and you can get much of the same look from other stuff, but it's very convenient and easy to use. There are some questionable bits, like the lamp stands -- I have like hundreds of those from Sector Imperialis kits, lol. But mostly, I'm pretty happy with the pieces.
I'm with you on the plastic bases. They're great to place models on, and they're a perfect match for sector imperialis.
jah-joshua wrote: i finally cracked open a box of the new Urban bases...
i have to say, the detail is perfect...
just flat enough to fit models on top of without any troubles, unlike my favorite resin bases, and just raised enough to take outlining with paint perfectly...
they may take a little getting used too, at first glance, if you are used to 3rd party resins, but they are really well designed for a combo of paintability and user friendly basing...
I like to take the position that if there is a problem with the bases, it's that the realm of battle board city tiles should have had similarly flat detail... I don't know about the rest of you but as cool as the city boards are lots of models fall over on it too easily.
If you want it to lay flat, you will need to cut the top 1/2' off the top were the hole is on the paper. Once cropped it will fit in this one flat with all the rules on one side.
http://www.ultrapro.com/product_info.php?products_id=1395
(As I side note, these cases are super usefull in warma-hoards and the full page sized ones in D&D since you can write on the bases with dry erase marker for tracking health points. )
