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Although the new paints may well work well enough for it,

a fair number of the new technical look to have been introduced to replicate stuff the studio and FW have previously been doing with competitors stuff

 rollawaythestone wrote:
Is this the same paint-effect as the colored metallic armor used for 30k Alpha Legion and Thousand Sons?

That, I believe, is done with FW's Angron Red clear, which again probably behaves much the same as other clears on the market.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-FR/Forge-World-Airbrush-Paint?s=99189987018

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 rollawaythestone wrote:
Is this the same paint-effect as the colored metallic armor used for 30k Alpha Legion and Thousand Sons?

That, I believe, is done with FW's Angron Red clear, which again probably behaves much the same as other clears on the market.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-FR/Forge-World-Airbrush-Paint?s=99189987018

Yeah it's done with Angron Red, although they do pre-shading before doing the clear step (you can either use different shades of silver, or green and blue for this). Also keep in mind, FW's is an airbrush paint - I doubt you can use the new GW ones with an airbrush tbh.

The issue isn't in the wash, it's in the metallic base. Brushed paints just can't get a metallic finish like airbrush paints can.

 Atia wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 rollawaythestone wrote:
Is this the same paint-effect as the colored metallic armor used for 30k Alpha Legion and Thousand Sons?

That, I believe, is done with FW's Angron Red clear, which again probably behaves much the same as other clears on the market.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-FR/Forge-World-Airbrush-Paint?s=99189987018

Yeah it's done with Angron Red, although they do pre-shading before doing the clear step (you can either use different shades of silver, or green and blue for this). Also keep in mind, FW's is an airbrush paint - I doubt you can use the new GW ones with an airbrush tbh.

It would depend entirely upon the consistency of the gem effect stuff.

Washes go through the airbrushes just fine, provided you use the right needle/PSI.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
The issue isn't in the wash, it's in the metallic base. Brushed paints just can't get a metallic finish like airbrush paints can.

The new gold, retributor armour, comes pretty close though, and the new metallics that are part of this release (which no-one seems to be talking about) appear to have the same basic formulation.

The metallic colors are not the problem, it's the layers of clear that require an airbrush to create extremely thin and even coats that you progressively build up. New metallics and clears are not going to make that any less miserable with a brush.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
The issue isn't in the wash, it's in the metallic base. Brushed paints just can't get a metallic finish like airbrush paints can.

Well no, it depends entirely on brush, technique, and paint. Indeed, with good sable brushes and slightly-thinned Vallejo alcohol-based metallics, you'll get a metallic finish far superior to any airbrush. Even with more standard materials the difference isn't anywhere near as pronounced as you seem to be implying.

Airbrushes are a useful tool if you're willing to put in the money, time, and effort to own and learn to use & maintain it properly, but it's always dismaying to see people evangelising them to the point of denigrating what's achievable with trad brushes because I've met people in the past who've internalised that kind of nonsense and stopped bothering to improve their painting as a direct result(because they couldn't afford/use an airbrush and believed they'd never be able to be a properly good painter without one, so why bother going beyond base, drybrush, wash, edge highlight?).

EDIT: And Vhalyar, that seems to be rather the point of these new paints; by using a gel-based medium you can apply one or two coats with a brush and it will self-level to produce the appropriate finish. I'll be interested to see what uses it can be put to.

I replicated the ruby FW scheme with a brush on a small test model. Using the Tamiya produces a much darker red over Runefang steel though. I have the Angron Red from FW and using a painstaking layering process you can exactly replicate the FW models. I would not recommend this method in any way if an airbrush is available.

Highly recommend the FW paints though as they do work well with a brush. Better than you'd think they would.

 Atia wrote:

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 rollawaythestone wrote:
Is this the same paint-effect as the colored metallic armor used for 30k Alpha Legion and Thousand Sons?

That, I believe, is done with FW's Angron Red clear, which again probably behaves much the same as other clears on the market.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-FR/Forge-World-Airbrush-Paint?s=99189987018

Yeah it's done with Angron Red, although they do pre-shading before doing the clear step (you can either use different shades of silver, or green and blue for this). Also keep in mind, FW's is an airbrush paint - I doubt you can use the new GW ones with an airbrush tbh.

In the HH Masterclass book, there is a step by step of this very similarly colored Knight Styrix (at least for the red shoulders):



As Atia said, this is was done with silvers, greens and blues -- the basecoat is silver, then thinned green and blue paint preshades the darker areas on the red. Then, finally, a thin (translucent) coat of red covers it all, and the green areas become darker red, and the blue areas become even darker shadows. I tried it out with an airbrush on some models that didn't matter, and it works really well. I'd say the trickiest part is keeping the paint consistency the same, as you'll get different sorts of shading and different shades of red if your green, blue, and red aren't uniformly thinned. And, of course, you need to possess an airbrush skill level beyond "rattle can replacement" -- as do-overs are really time consuming, and may require stripping of a piece.

I've been experimenting with the Vallejo metallic medium to get a similar effect abit easier. It works quite nice with blues and purples but have hard a hard time with the reds. The Metallic Medium lightens the pigments of what ever paint you use. I haven't been able to find a dark enough red in any range that mixes "just right".

The best results I have gotten so to make a mix of 1:1 Vallejo Black-Red to Metallic Mediuem, and to them paint over it with Vallejo Transparent Red or a red ink. It's not the FW look 100%, but I think it would look close enough for most people. You could use a lighter red with more mediuem might get closer yet to the yet you see from FW.

I'm able to get quite a nice bright vibrant Purple with a 1:1 of Game-air hexed lichen and Mediuem.

 Lockark wrote:
I've been experimenting with the Vallejo metallic medium to get a similar effect abit easier. It works quite nice with blues and purples but have hard a hard time with the reds. The Metallic Medium lightens the pigments of what ever paint you use. I haven't been able to find a dark enough red in any range that mixes "just right".

The best results I have gotten so to make a mix of 1:1 Vallejo Black-Red to Metallic Mediuem, and to them paint over it with Vallejo Transparent Red or a red ink. It's not the FW look 100%, but I think it would look close enough for most people. You could use a lighter red with more mediuem might get closer yet to the yet you see from FW.

I'm able to get quite a nice bright vibrant Purple with a 1:1 of Game-air hexed lichen and Mediuem.

Do you have any picture examples?

From spikeybits





Poor week :(

Thanks, Zamerion Well, this and the containers, right?


Source, photo of the WD cover

http://forum.spikeybits.com/showthread.php?34131-new-gw-for-june

So it is the Engineseer that came bundled with the Lemans Russ and theven Spawn of Cryptus. I already own the Spawn of Cryptus(for a diorama either Captain Karlaen), so no need for him and don't have any desire to get the Engineseer. If it weren't for the shipping crates, this would be a pretty boring week. Unfortunately, this is probably the only 40K for a while.

Shipping containers are $50 USD. Still a pretty good deal since you get three of them.

Now we need the next week

33€ for that Broodlord.. enlighten me again about the price of thatboard game it was included in?

RoninXiC wrote:
33€ for that Broodlord.. enlighten me again about the price of thatboard game it was included in?

No idea on the euro pricing but here in the states it was $125 USA and the Broodlord is $40. So you are paying a ton more for him individually, but the boxed sets were amazing deals anyway.

Yay! Reductor-Techpriest-conversion-models for 30k!

Container prices not as cheap as we'd (foolishly) hoped, but still a bargain compared to the Broodlord and Enginseer...

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

RoninXiC wrote:
33€ for that Broodlord.. enlighten me again about the price of thatboard game it was included in?

No idea on the euro pricing but here in the states it was $125 USA and the Broodlord is $40. So you are paying a ton more for him individually, but the boxed sets were amazing deals anyway.

Shield of Baal had a campaign booklet but wasn't really a board game, I don't think.
Kind of an odd choice selling the broodlord like this esp. when people are parting out Deathwatch Overkill's Patriarch for around $15US.

Yeah, I'm a little bummed by the price. I was hoping at most they would be $37, which is the price for the promethium relay pipes.

At $50, they went from probably would buy 2 sets for a big shipping depot terrain piece to I might buy 1 set once I can figure something else out.

They also had the potential to be space double wide and left open topped for some cool Zone Mortalis corridors, but that's pretty much an non-starter at the $50 price point. It's actually cheaper to just buy FW.

£25 Broodlord.

Holy christ that's unreal. That's...a unit upgrade. That's like, a step above an Ork Nob. Better not give them ideas. They'll remove character options from other units and sell them as £18-£20 clampacks.

Let's not forget the CSM Aspiring Champion exists already.

it's about the size of a nid warriors though ... competes with the gaunt sorcerer and the megaboss

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
£25 Broodlord.

Holy christ that's unreal. That's...a unit upgrade. That's like, a step above an Ork Nob. Better not give them ideas. They'll remove character options from other units and sell them as £18-£20 clampacks.

Let's not forget the CSM Aspiring Champion exists already.

Used to be an HQ choice in 4th didn't it? Can also be used as the Spawn of Cryptus. May one day go back to being a Codex HQ choice too.

 privateer4hire wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

RoninXiC wrote:
33€ for that Broodlord.. enlighten me again about the price of thatboard game it was included in?

No idea on the euro pricing but here in the states it was $125 USA and the Broodlord is $40. So you are paying a ton more for him individually, but the boxed sets were amazing deals anyway.

Shield of Baal had a campaign booklet but wasn't really a board game, I don't think.
Kind of an odd choice selling the broodlord like this esp. when people are parting out Deathwatch Overkill's Patriarch for around $15US.

Deathstorm was a campaign box set (Part of the Shield of Baal campaign) like the Space Wolves & Orks campaign box set, Sanctus Reach: Stormclaw. I wouldn't rule out the Patriarch Broodlord coming out as a separate clamshell either.

Also, the Broodlord is a pretty large model. Hardly your average unit upgrade.

Why oh why did I allow myself to believe those containers would be reasonably priced? $100 NZ is damn near £50 or $70US (not to mention $94Oz)

I'm know it's popular to quote minimum wages/cost of shipping etc for Australasia, but that kind of mark up is frankly way out of kilter with any other consumer product in this market. I see the only GW store in Auckland is now in an out of the way location - I find their business strategy for this market baffling. Perhaps they have given up.

 Gordy2000 wrote:
Why oh why did I allow myself to believe those containers would be reasonably priced? $100 NZ is damn near £50 or $70US (not to mention $94Oz)

I'm know it's popular to quote minimum wages/cost of shipping etc for Australasia, but that kind of mark up is frankly way out of kilter with any other consumer product in this market. I see the only GW store in Auckland is now in an out of the way location - I find their business strategy for this market baffling. Perhaps they have given up.

So go buy some shipping containers from a company that sells stuff for a reasonable price (which is any company making terrain these days, everyone makes various flavours of shipping container for super reasonable prices) and glue some Storm Bolters on top?

60$ bucks for the container set....hummm I gotta check up the 3rd party prices. I would love to get a set or 5 of them but really 300$ 15 containers and a bunch of random stuff, I dunno.....


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 Gordy2000 wrote:
Why oh why did I allow myself to believe those containers would be reasonably priced? $100 NZ is damn near £50 or $70US (not to mention $94Oz)

I'm know it's popular to quote minimum wages/cost of shipping etc for Australasia, but that kind of mark up is frankly way out of kilter with any other consumer product in this market. I see the only GW store in Auckland is now in an out of the way location - I find their business strategy for this market baffling. Perhaps they have given up.

No doubt, we get the random "Screw you Canada" GW tax on prices...but I feel for my aussie and kiwi mates who buy GW stuff at retail...all 3 of you

Since trigger happy mods locked my thread and won't answer my pms I will share this here.The hint for the week AFTER the broodlord seems to suggest more Tyranids. Genestealer cult maybe?