That thing is so awesome on so many levels ...

Tagged a Super Exclusive though, $1 backers won't get this in the PM either.

Which is good, because it might actually lead to unlocking it.

Nobody would have thought that possible yesterday, or even possible this morning. This has been picking up so much speed, it's incredible ...

Inn not unlocked yet but next goal revealed. That’s the first of the three miniatures, the rest will be revealed later. Think that would make it up to 200 bonus figures?

To note, that's a mini in the likeness of Leo, the guy behind it at. The two other minis will be paying due homage to other personalities in the kickstarter.

As much as I want the Inn, I want the Leo mini so much more

OK ok, I made my pledge now. Maiden plus Siege.
The houses and the castle sold it to me and I´m now sure, that I´m going to sell half of the models. Stuff like the angels, demons and Gog&Magog are not my jam.

So... is this a board game with hex tiles? or a wargame with terrain and stuff? Or like, do you just place one of the houses in a hex to say it's an obstacle or whatever? I saw some pics of models all over the place with lots of terrain, but it feels like 15mm minis would be too small for a 40k-ish kind of playstyle

Carlovonsexron wrote:
To note, that's a mini in the likeness of Leo, the guy behind it at. The two other minis will be paying due homage to other personalities in the kickstarter.

As much as I want the Inn, I want the Leo mini so much more

The final team member will be modeled as a cat though

Aeneades wrote:

Carlovonsexron wrote:
To note, that's a mini in the likeness of Leo, the guy behind it at. The two other minis will be paying due homage to other personalities in the kickstarter.

As much as I want the Inn, I want the Leo mini so much more

The final team member will be modeled as a cat though

Its Jake Thornton... he should be happy he still gets work after a couple of his recent shenanigans. ;-)

Just picking up on a couple of things. Whilst ToL is mean to be a series, it's unlikely to be one per year. Mythic Battles looks like it's going to go at least two years between games.

The minis are in high quality PVC. Apparently it's higher quality than the MBP minis, which are pretty impressive already.




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And the $2 million is passed as I typed that post! Amazing!

I cant believe how much this exploded.
This is just amazing.

Well the inn is... in.

I know I'm in for at least a base and apocalypse. Possibly more.

Showed the campaign to my son, who's first reaction was to ask when they're going to stop playing around in France and get to work on Mythic Battles Ragnarok.

Man... this livestream and its enthusiasm is kind of infectious.

 TalonZahn wrote:
Tagged a Super Exclusive though, $1 backers won't get this in the PM either.

That's OK, as it's nowhere close to being a pre-ARW Tavern of any sort. The chimneys are absolutely infuriating the way they're done.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Well the inn is... in.

I know I'm in for at least a base and apocalypse. Possibly more.

Showed the campaign to my son, who's first reaction was to ask when they're going to stop playing around in France and get to work on Mythic Battles Ragnarok.

This mixed with some Russian folklore (Baba Yaga) is hopefully coming also in 15mm.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
Tagged a Super Exclusive though, $1 backers won't get this in the PM either.

That's OK, as it's nowhere close to being a pre-ARW Tavern of any sort. The chimneys are absolutely infuriating the way they're done.

This right here is why people hate Historical Guys™. Game has angels and demons and vampires and undead, but the fething CHIMNEYS set you off? Don't be a Historical Guy™

I can accept angels and demons in my games just fine. I can NOT accept fething nonsense chimneys built by/for ordinary humans.

I am a rivet counter, and we are legion!

No graphic for this as they are making it all up on the spot but next stretch goal is -

King Jean le Bon at 2,150,000.

Love the Leo innkeeper! 3 of us went in together to each get a core box and split the majestic add-on package, the value here is just nuts

Jumped in last night. Rules look great. Reminds me of a tinier version of Battlemasters. Sweet looking hex and counter wargame with fun command and control.

King unlocked

2.15M, congrats to Mythic Games! They really were enthusiastic about this game and won a lot of folks over. Looking forward to it

Nice job, almost 10k backers

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I can accept angels and demons in my games just fine. I can NOT accept fething nonsense chimneys built by/for ordinary humans.

I am a rivet counter, and we are legion!

You know what breaks my noodle as well as the chimneys?

The jettying on the buildings!

Sure, jettying is good and historically accurate, but the sculpt is done with brickwork walls on the upper levels rather than wood. No way could the timbers support a jettyed wall made of stone!

Oh yeah, the type of bond on the ground floor stonework is completely unstable, too.

Other than that, I loved, loved, loved this KS. I expected the usual surge at the end, but that was something else entirely.

Bring on Super-Jesus, the Antichrist and the mummified Pope!

 Chillreaper wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I can accept angels and demons in my games just fine. I can NOT accept fething nonsense chimneys built by/for ordinary humans.

I am a rivet counter, and we are legion!

You know what breaks my noodle as well as the chimneys?

The jettying on the buildings!

Sure, jettying is good and historically accurate, but the sculpt is done with brickwork walls on the upper levels rather than wood. No way could the timbers support a jettyed wall made of stone!

Oh yeah, the type of bond on the ground floor stonework is completely unstable, too.

Other than that, I loved, loved, loved this KS. I expected the usual surge at the end, but that was something else entirely.

Bring on Super-Jesus, the Antichrist and the mummified Pope!

Sure, but those are all just half-steps to the 2nd floor stonework/brickwork chimneys that are supported by fething toothpicks. The chimneys are the cherry on the gak sundae of how that building was designed. They're significantly more concentrated weight than the brick walls *and* they're centered farther out from the base *and* they'd be burning hot. It physically can't work.

I dunno, I thing it's just some sort of ensorcelled magic wood that's really, really strong. They used it on all kinds of houses back in the day, but unfortunately the means to create it has been lost to the sands of time.

I noticed the chimneys, but hey, it's a game with lots of fantastical things . Overall the inn looks amazing, imo!

I'm going to be quite capable of moving past the architectural issues with nothing more than a sad smile and a subtle shake of my head.

I'll have more important things to think about, such as how many XP I'll have to aquire to level a hero up to Lucifer-summoning levels and watch my foes tremble in despair!

I've never pledged for a Kickstarter game before. I gave in and submitted a Maiden Pledge in the final hour. I have yet to receive the confirmation email the site said I'd be getting.
Is this cause for concern? If they charge my card late, I would want to cancel due to missing out on the tavern, Gog & Magog.

If KS says they have your details, you're good. You may need to resubmit payment information and/or authorize with your bank, though.

I skipped this one because I already have too many games and too few opponents. But I'm impressed with the campaign and really glad a real mass battle miniature game can still pull two million. Congrats to everyone who backed!

Right as this finished, I got an email saying my Mythic Battles pledge shipped.

I was both excited that it's going to be here soon, and saddened by the fact that I didn't really bother picking up any extra expansions like I had originally planned.

Two Maiden pledges is actually looking kind of tempting, especially if I sell off some of the big extras.

Leo had mentioned during a live the possibility of offering up the original beast pose as well during the pledge manager.

I want to use the miniatures also for other games. Like for a variation in the ASoIaF universe. By now I have made out a couple of minis, that would pretty well prox the characters.
Here is my current list:

North
Eddard - Jon Stewart
Robert - The Black Prince + Wolf
Jon - John Talbot + Wolf (without the dog)
Great Jon - La Hire

West
Jaimie - Jean de Dunois
Armory Loch - Robert Knolles (?)

Sea
Victarion - Gilles de Rais

Can somebody recommend some producer to prox the rest and also some further buildings?

If this is the wrong place to post this, please delete.

The Joan of Arc FB page just had a short livestream where they showed off models and Buildings, very impressive. Apparently they're shooting some battles with Beasts of War, I assume in anticipation of the pladge manager.

I believe the pledge manager launches next week so this weeks update should show us all the new items added to the pledge manager such as the playing mat and the pack to bring Ottoman up to full Army size (I believe just duplicates of excising units rather than anything new).

Let’s see if this image link works.

Pledge manager has now launched and includes this Ottoman addon to bump your forces to a full army (includes two new heroes, cannons and horse archers).



There is one unit of bowmen missing from the image.

New Update! Extended PM close!

With that in mind, we’ve decided to extend the deadline for completing the pledge manager by one month. The closing date will now be 23rd April 2018.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1162110258/time-of-legends-joan-of-arc/posts/2133616

Ugh, more time to agonize. Decisions, decisions...

I oscillated wildly between "buy it all" and "nah, I don't need this", ended up with something sensibly in the middle

For me it'd be duplication of BattleLore 1E, which I already like, but don't play enough. And yet, it looks so cool!

 Slinky wrote:
I oscillated wildly between "buy it all" and "nah, I don't need this", ended up with something sensibly in the middle

Yeah, same here, although I did end up closer to "get all the things" than I'd originally intended.

I'd been on the fence about the Siege expansion for ages, but castles are awesome so I did that. Fortunately, I managed to avoid the old "for an extra $65, I could get the bundle with stuff that I don't really want" trap - that just results in me moving up the bundles until I'm all in.

Although, with an extra month, $20 for Ars Nova? Hey, why not?

Is it still possible to add extra bits on then? Oh dear, I assumed it was done and dusted

 Slinky wrote:
Is it still possible to add extra bits on then? Oh dear, I assumed it was done and dusted

Apparently, you can go back into the pledgemanager, click on more things and give them more money. For another five weeks or so.

This might not end well...

I ended up grabbing the Ottomans just because I see potential converting one of them into a Byzantine


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(also the Canons are wonderful)

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
New Update! Extended PM close!

With that in mind, we’ve decided to extend the deadline for completing the pledge manager by one month. The closing date will now be 23rd April 2018.

Ugh, more time to agonize. Decisions, decisions...

With Kingdom Death hitting the tabletop and devouring time, I passed on ToL: JoA instead of converting to a full pledge. Not that agonzing of a decision after all!

In that case I'm going to go finalize my pledge.

Devil, Dragon, Village, and Apocalypse bundle seems like the best bet for me. I want the fantasy stuff and the buildings.

Siege would be nice, but I don't think it'll get used for its intended purpose, and the price is hard to justify.

At this point I consider Kingdom Death a completely separate entity that gets money compared to the rest of my hobby funds. New plastics will be purchased sight unseen most of the time.

That was my preferred bundle, too.

I can't say that the Village grabbed my attention, but it's grown on me. I agonised over the Siege expansion for months, but I have no confidence that it would make it to retail in its current form, if at all. So, in it went...

I’m all in. Won’t be able to get it later.

I got the Heroic bundle, Apocalypse, the compendium and Plunder.

Maybe I will regret in the future not buying Ars Nova, if it never gets re-released. But it made no sense for me, to buy a English version of a dialogue heavy minigame. I wait till maybe Asmodee will publish the German version.

The devil and dragon I gave a pass, as I already have a dragon and some big demons. I hope to get the other contents of the boxes without the big model for a good price on the second market.

And this already is such a giant miniature pool, I´m not sure about getting some foam trays for my painted figures or just leave them in the boxes.

After reading on the BGG forums about people's impressions and concerns about the rules I decided not to back. I was a bit turned off by people saying that while it was fun, the most efficient tactics are nothing at all like actual military tactics. Best thing to do in the battle mode is to create a death star blob and steamroll the opposition by activating it multiple times. Kind of a missed opportunity considering most of the models and scenarios are historical. If I was in the market for a ton of 15mm figures to use in other games I would certainly back it though.

That's why my group went all in together - we figure the models would be useful even if we don't like the JoA rules.

I've been hoping for some solid "WHFB-like" rules for 15mm, or even just playing Kings of War. We'll have plenty to do it with, regardless

 RiTides wrote:

(...)or even just playing Kings of War. We'll have plenty to do it with, regardless

Thats my plan for it

Hopefully we will have some official KoW siege rules to use with the siege set too!

Hm. Kings of War would be a great use for these minis, if I played that.

How does the unit footprint translate to 15mm for Kings of War? I don't have the books handy, but isn't the typical KoW unit have a width of about 12cm and about a 6cm depth or so?

IIRC, KoW is about unit footprint rather than models, per se. Using 15mm vs 28mm minis, you'd base 4:1. That is, if you normally would put a single 28mm man on a base, you'd instead place 4x 15mm men on that same base.

We were actually planning to just scale down the base sizes to match the smaller models. I think someone might have already done this - the ruleset really lends itself to a smaller scale!

OK, sure, you could do that instead of multi-basing.

Oh we'd definitely multibase! Just with smaller ones so 20 models still looks right on a regiment base, etc

OK, fair enough!

They have re-opened the pledge manager / late pledge for this as an unusually high number of people had not completed their pledges.

Seems they also doubled their KS total in the Pledge Manager.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1162110258/time-of-legends-joan-of-arc/posts/2186854

Holy cow, they're re-opening the PM again? Until June 4th?

Yep. They had a load of requests from backers wanting to add more items so was easier in the end just to open it for everyone for a couple more weeks.

Received my full maiden pledge it is absolutely amazing I'm wondering has anybody got any scale sots with the models against othr 15mm companies?

You've got your wave 2?

Ooh. Maybe mine will turn up this week, then!

Not that I've managed to play a game with my wave 1 stuff, yet, but... castle!

Anybody got their dragon?

Dragon was wave one so most of us have had it for a month or so now wave 2 with the big castle is starting to be delivered now.

As cool as the castle was I am eagerly anticipating all the craziness in that Apocalypse box.

I'm hoping we see a new expansion come September with just as many wild units in it.

Also most of the Apocalypse stuff will work in 28mm as well!

I'm looking forward to the 1.5 KS.

Mostly for a hardback copy of fixed scenarios and whatever storage box that they come up with; it has to be the biggest nightmare of a game when it comes to organisation of storage.

The expansion is a bit of a "we'll see" thing for me. I've got enough content to last me for the rest of my natural life, but that thinking didn't seem to stop me when the pledge manager opened...

I’m looking forward to the digital system Kickstarter that is meant to be launching in September that provides a digital game master to turn the board game into a solo or competitive RPG.

(And 1.5 where I plan to pick up the new unit expansions as well)

Glad to see they’re doing a 1.5 ed KS. I passed on this the first time, but won’t again.

The Apocalypse arrived at my home today.

Leviathan is big, as is to be expected. Not Satan big, but big nonetheless.

Of note is that the Four Horsemen are actually sized around 28mm as opposed to 15mm! Everything else in the box is at 15mm too.

I'm still waiting for my wave 2 stuff to arrive.

Siege battles are perhaps the most anticipated thing for me, but the Apoc stuff is great also. Cannot wait to field the four horsemen of the apocalypse (War, Pestilence, Famine and No Deal Brexit) in the game!

I'm looking forward on the Teutonic Knights expansion kickstarter.

Hey there, has anyone seen a regional forum or player finder for this game? I got my kickstarter and it seems like an excellent game but I can't find anyone in my area (San Francisco Bay Region) who is interested.

Only recently seen/heard about this and looks very interesting, what’s the plans for a retail release on this game.

Retail was planned for the autumn but has been pushed back in favour of a version 1.5 Kickstarter instead that will be coming soon with the original Kickstarter contents with updates rules and a new expansion (the original Kickstarter is missing the “super exclusives” which is a shame but they had a poll and some backers were not happy with them being made available again).

Ah ok bud,, hmm I think il be keeping an eye on this one.

There is also some sort of app using solo / co-op spin off coming to Kickstarter in next month or so which may also come with new models.

Aeneades wrote:
There is also some sort of app using solo / co-op spin off coming to Kickstarter in next month or so which may also come with new models.

Time of Legends: Destinies

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/destinies/time-of-legends-destinies?ref=9z420g&token=6e2f9573


The Kickstarter page is up for preview.

It's a standalone game using tiles, cards, minis and an app. Semi co-op and the app does cool things like scan QR codes on the cards. The minis will get rules for use in JoA.

Looks like Mythic are going to be helping out/doing the minis, which is probably why it's running at the same time as JoA 1.5 - might as well get the factories doing both at once. Bit of a shame with the timing, because it looks interesting, but my money's going to get taken up with 1.5 and the Battletech pledge manager.

Thanks for the link, I hadn’t realised a preview page was up! Very reasonably priced and rules for the original JoA game are a big bonus! (Just a shame we can’t use our original monsters but maybe they will release a crossover card pack for the Destinies)

My wife and I tried playing JoA a couple of times but the rules are not our cup of tea. Anyone else had trouble understanding them?

On the plus side, Destinies has a reasonable buy in. Doesn't seem like it'll have piles of models but it'll at least have another big one, plus the rules for it in JoA.

I tried deciphering the rules. I had a hard time too. Worst case it all gets cobbled together into a ramshackle 15mm fantasy sandbox skirmish game.

Best case they get the rules deciphered and smooth things out with 1.5. I really like the models I've got. I'm sure I can get a lot of use out of them. It'll be interesting to see what's on offer with both these upcoming campaigns.

I'd really like something to help with the storage of the game too. It's just... massive. The amount and size of the boxes. It's a lot to take in!

What about the rules are you guys having trouble with? Maybe I can help.

After some shipping shenanigans I have finally received both my wave 1 and 2 stuff, and the miniatures are great. Hopefully there will be miniature only pledges in the next KS, as I want more of them but cant be bothered with more cards/dice/etc...

Also, is there any interest in the non-miniature stuff? Is it useful for people playing the actual game to have duplicates or should I just throw it all out?

Well, it's a few days to go and the KS preview is doing the rounds.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1162110258/604599168?ref=xzrvvo&token=bb87e560&fbclid=IwAR0s1LNKbcM9VBNGcloLaLsLMescvPp6NzFXN9GSIrj8g1K8J1ITSxrsnj8

I'm glad to see that there's a pledge level for the Storage Box and new expansion (including the new stretch goals). I'm also glad that the storage box isn't for the minis, being as I've acquired inserts for them already.

What kind of inserts would even be usable?

Honestly that's my biggest hangup with the game- just finding a place to put it all!

At least with sprawling "lifestyle" games like Shadows of Brimstone, the models are large and varied enough I can get a bunch of cheap containers and store everything by Otherworld.
Since there are so many boxes as well I can divvy up all the various card decksssss, tokens, and specific tile sets amongst them. Plus the boxes are much smaller.

Here I have multiple expansion boxes that are the size (if not larger) of a lot of CMON core games!

I like what I see with the Teutonic pledge. Hopefully more light will be shed on the storage box (along with some hopefully interesting stretch goals).

The storage box doesn't store the minis? That's crazy. It is the size of one of the biggest boxes, but is doing the job of a few deck boxes and a plano container? What's the point?

It’s weird that it doesn’t seem to store the miniatures as they were asking if people have glued into bases or not to try and work our what storage solution would be best.

It’s worth posting out that the spin off game Time of Legends: Destinies is also live on Kickstarter -

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/destinies/time-of-legends-destinies?ref=9z420g&token=6e2f9573

I've got some laser cut inserts for the Wave 1 minis so far.

It doesn't store the large or huge models, terrain or the castle (except for the Tarrasque), but it gets everything else, based or unbased as appropriate into some pretty secure, labelled, stackable trays that fit into the core box.

The gentleman on Facebook that did them is working on a similar thing for Wave 2 that will fit in the Reliquary box.

The only thing that I'll need to get my storage bang on is a separate box that will store tiles, cards and tokens. From the description of the new storage box, it looks like I'm in luck.

So, I think that I'll get JoA into 3 large boxes.

Except for the large creatures, buildings, terrain elements, castle...

Bugger...

Joan of Arc 1.5 (With new Teutonic Knights and Baltic Pagans expansion) now live!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1162110258/time-of-legends-joan-of-arc-15?ref=ksr_email_backer_backer_confirmation

Last day (plus a little) for the kick starter. if they reach a million by the end a wyvern has been teased as the final stretch goal to join their big dragon.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1162110258/time-of-legends-joan-of-arc-15/description

This is a toughy. Really like the way they look but 15mm is a different scale and there's just so much coming out for GW on the horizon.

The main pro of the scale is that battles are truly massive when you get everything on the tabletop. GW figures don't really satisfy for mass battles IMO after that. (But are far ore suitable for skirmish, and relatively low model count games. Which funny enough is an area they seem keen on focusing on.)

I mean, a 4x6 game table looks bit enough for GW figures, but becomes this wonderful massive world for 15mm -ToL being nice because the base pledge gives you a fair amount of terrain for establishing forests and towns. (The village pack really helps with the terrain, IMO. and SIEGE... well I havent gotten that one, but the walls look incredible.

I think if your curious to dip your toes in, but not necessarily about the game itself then getting the Teutonic expansion would probably be pretty good- its $80 us for it plus all the stretch goals. (In total 185 minis at the moment, 10 of which being terrain pieces, and soon to unlock one more terrain piece.)

Last 4 hours!

I was tempted, but without knowing how available stuff is post-Kickstarter, how well it plays, if I'd like it and that near $900 'all in' price...

Gah I wish I had the money to throw into this to help toward the stretch goals. Sadly I'm going to have to be on the side-lines and wait out for the pledge manager and pray that it lasts beyond Christmas.

I'm still on the fence about this.
I recently started getting interested in the 100 years war and then this KS came along... right on my watchlist.

I'll probably have no one to play it with, as my wife only likes super casual stuff and everyone elses field of vision is limited to GW for the most part.

1 year wait time for the Core Pledge (which already exists) is also kinda long... there are 1.0 pledges on Ebay. Is this even worth a thought or has too much changed with 1.5?

Can someone convince me either way?

It's a good game, fundamentally, but the first kickstarter had some issues with a couple misprinted cards (some of which were fixed in wave 2) and the scenarios were riddled with small errors that have slowly been updated as PDFs. The 1.5 edition also has a few rule updates (small stuff) that should streamline and improve the playability of the game. Frankly, as a backer of the first edition, I'm looking forward to the 1.5 upgrade kit more than the expansion.

It takes a while to set up - sometimes longer than the game itself - largely due to how many miniatures and cards there are that you have to sift through to find what you are looking for. You really need a good organization system for the game. Leaving them in the boxes as is makes it impossible to set the game up in a timely fashion. There's a GameTrayz organizational box in this kickstarter, and who knows if that will make a big difference, but Plano boxes and card binders have been a life saver for me.

Some people glue the figures to the bases to speed up setup time, but it doesn't come with enough bases to do that in the base game (you need to buy extra bases) and there are a few scenarios which use individual models separate from the units (I think there is a list on BGG, but I didn't bother to glue anything down).

However, the game itself is, I'm happy to report, really fun. Most of the problems with it are small problems, that the 1.5 edition should help considerably with (reprinted scenarios are probably the biggest thing). Kind of a death by a thousand paper cuts thing.

I find the game to be very fun, and despite its relative simplicity, there have been many turns where I've had to put some serious thought into my next move. And the model quality is pretty good for how tiny everything is. It kind of reminds me a suped up version of BattleLore (which is one of my favorite games ever), not just in scale, but also in the command system and how you don't have complete control over activating you units. There's also a push-back mechanic which is similar to the flags in BattleLore, and a similar reliance on scenarios. Honestly, this feels more like BattleLore 2.0 than BattleLore 2.0 did.

I bought the game almost entirely for the siege and apocalypse expansions, but I haven't gotten around to the wave 2 stuff yet. I also haven't played battle mode yet, since it wasn't really updated into much until wave 2. There's just so much there that I'll be playing this for years before I see and experience everything.

I know on BGG, there've been a few people who have been frustrated with the scenario issues, but I think Mythic has been pretty good about communicating with the backers. They've posted extensive FAQs and errata on BGG (which will no doubt make it into the 1.5 upgrade kit), and there's a new update ever Wednesday. When there were delays, we got updates, and they even attempted to correct a few errors during the wave 2 shipment (replacement cards and a few missing modles). While not without its issues, I was happy with how Mythic conducted the previous Kickstarter and felt no hesitation backing the 1.5 one (or other games by them).

Frankly, I'm happy with the game but it seems like the minor issues (which again, are hopefully going to be corrected in 1.5) have been a real sticking point for some people. For me, the setup time is the only real negative, but complaining about having too many toys to play with seems kind of weak. I'm getting the Teutonic Knights expansion as well, and if they decide to do a Time of Legends sequel in another time period (samurai or vikings, for example), I'd be all in on that as well.

 Alpharius wrote:
I was tempted, but without knowing how available stuff is post-Kickstarter, how well it plays, if I'd like it and that near $900 'all in' price...

I'm not ure if I would go for the "all in" unless you really wanted EVERYTHING. Certain expansions will carry you farther than others, and I think the extra siege equipment, legendary battles,Ars Nova and depending on what you like, the Ottomans are all passable.

By contrast, I would say the new Teutonic box, and village pack are must haves for the game (the Teutonic pack replacing legendary battles to fill out your ranks, and village pack for scenery.

Those two plus the core box will be able to let you play pretty much ANY system of wargame you wanted to play with them.

The Dragon (something I'm getting this time around) is going to be useful for all scales of games. I'm getting it more for 32mm scale RPG purposes, really...


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The Wyvern (a more 15mm scale appropriate dragon than the gigantic super-beast-stand-in-for-satan-himself dragon add on) looks like it will be unlocked as the final(?) stretch goal!

Just $5000 shy of unlocking a free wyvern!


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The Wyvern has been achieved! With about 2 hours left! No word yet on if there will be a new stretch goal just before the finish line. I assume not, but you never really know with Mythic...

I'm glad this thread popped back up, It'd dropped off my radar. Decided to back for the expansion w/ deluxe storage box, the village, and extra bases. I'm so very VERY tempted to add the siege expansion to it as well, but storage is already going to be an issue just because you get SO MUCH stuff in the game, I couldn't believe how much I got with just the base pledge for the first KS. I'm glad to have a chance at some of the options again at KS prices, was super impressed with the miniatures and game quality

My biggest gripe is the space this game takes up. The boxes are MASSIVE. Most are around the size of their Mythic Battles box- the Dragon and Apocalypse are just about the same size.
The others are a bit smaller.
Be prepared for some serious shelf hogging going on with this game.
I had to sell off most of the expansions because I had no room for the game itself afterwards.

Nevertheless I'm very tempted by the Templars, even if there was a bit less crazy magic stuff this time around.
That Wyvern is what I would've preferred the dragon to be in the first place.

I got the core box + stretch goals, village, ottomans and siege weapons, and I was able to condense everything down to two of the boxes by putting all the cards into a binder, and sorting the miniatures into plastic storage boxes (the kinds mean for screws nuts and bolts, and the character models into boxes meant for pills).

Some of the bigger models now also inhabit the shelf, but IMO ll the boes they give you aren't needed.


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I just realized the between the wyvern and the dragon and the ottomans (along with the base stuff) the game is now a better to math to play 'game of thrones' than the cool mini or not figs.


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Less than an hour remains- we are about to hit the net stretch goal, which looks like another 6 units of Lithuanian light infantry. If, somehow, by the mercy of the great Gods, we can manage another 30k beyond it in this small time there is a last mounted hero waiting for us...

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Just $5000 shy of unlocking a free wyvern!


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The Wyvern has been achieved! With about 2 hours left! No word yet on if there will be a new stretch goal just before the finish line. I assume not, but you never really know with Mythic...

Ha ha ha!

Great pic of Leo.

I hope they'll offer the wyvern separate of the templars set, otherwise, I'll probably not get it.

I think for now its all in the Templars set, I don't know what their plans are moving from KS to retail if they'll break the boxes down further or if they'll stick to the boxes.


I've now got to wait and pray for the pledge manager to finish sometime next year so that I can actually find the money for this one

They had a preview of what they were thinking about as a retail starter set, and it was a mix of base troops with the cockatrace, which was originally a stretch goal. I have a feeling the wyvern might replace it, as it's more accessible. Though goodness knows I still think the Tarasque is the best monster they make aside from the dragon, and was what got me to pledge the first time.

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They had a preview of what they were thinking about as a retail starter set, and it was a mix of base troops with the cockatrace, which was originally a stretch goal. I have a feeling the wyvern might replace it, as it's more accessible. Though goodness knows I still think the Tarasque is the best monster they make aside from the dragon, and was what got me to pledge the first time.

Ha ha. That’s what caught my attention too. It’s a 6-legged snapping turtle! I pledged a dollar but might go in when the PM opens.

I only went for 6$ pledge for now, I was really hoping that they would have some Miniature-only add-ons, especially as they asked about in the survey.

I was tempted by the Teutonic expansion, but I was disappointed by the low amount of line troops in it.

The 15mm market already has a strong culture of buying models from multiple companies to use with rules from another, with some "companies" being one man bands. Which lets such casual supply and demand work.

I think the Time of Legends team is larger than most and also wants to make their game a game itself, hence why they haven't done model sales. Instead they want to encourage those who buy their models (at least through KS) to also buy into their game itself. Even an expansion pack might spark enough interest for someone to want to get a core set and try it out.

Also it likely cheapens their production and delivery a lot by having pre-designed sets that don't change. It's a lot simpler and easier to pack and reduces the complexity of the back-end considerably; which in turn should reduce errors.

Oh I understand why they dont want to do it, They just got my hopes up when they asked if people were interested in miniature-only pledges in their survey

@Dyndraig- they fleshed out line troops alot by the end up the stretch goals, but as it's an expansion I do think troop numbers are going to he based on having the core game. After all knights and cavalry come and go, but the pikeman is universal.

@Overread- I think that's true, but they have also laid the ground work with their Ottoman army pack, and the RPG variant, ToLestinies , while by a different company is using the same mini designers and manufacturer, and is going to offer a minis only pledge. (They will have a bunch of unique scupts, and I'm a sucker for the little world mythic are making. I just wish they would give us the Byzantines, or the Italian states as the next focus.)

So going to risk giving this thread a post as its the core thread for the topic (unless mods feel a new thread should be started up).

Been keeping a casual eye on this one as the pledge date for addons is fast approaching (February the 5th for final pledge lock-ins). Sadly they appear to have hit a bit of a legal wall in terms of paying one of their core staff and thus their KS got hit with copyright takedown whilst they dispute it. Details are here:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1162110258/time-of-legends-joan-of-arc-15/posts/2723291

Though they do stress that as this is a repeat with one expansion the stalling won't actually stop the shipping nor production of models and doesn't seem that the payment in question is going to cause issues (esp since the moulds and such are already paid for).

There also appears to have been some comments in the comments section (which like any popular KS moves at lightning speed) and a few staff have apparently left the company - one post summarises the following:

Well Az has responded to us via BGG. This is what he wrote. Would have been nice if Mythic would have let us know too

Hey all,

I was very much hoping that Leo or Benoit would address the situation by now. I really don't want to leave people in the lurch so I'll share here what I've popped on my own Facebook, which is really all I can say I am afraid.

"It is with much sadness that I confirm that as of December 23rd I am no longer with Mythic Games due to a restructuring of the business by its directors. I am afraid to say that I have been put into a position which means I am unable to talk about any details of what happened. I felt truly let down and hurt by everything that transpired at the end of 2019 so I decided to take some time for myself, my partner and my family.

Generally my time at Mythic was invigorating and I am very appreciative of all the opportunities I was presented with while working there. It was incredibly rewarding being able to run Kickstarters, be part of an engaging community, work with wonderful ambassadors, attend conventions around the globe and much more. I truly wish Mythic Games and the team remaining there every success in the future with their ongoing Kickstarter campaigns and future retail releases. Over the next few days I will make sure to direct any ongoing Mythic conversations & plans I was engaged in to a contact at the company.

Despite being away from Facebook for the last month I’ve received lots of very kind words of support and encouragement which have meant a tremendous amount to me. I cannot stress enough how thankful I am to everyone who reached out. I am certainly a little behind on replying to emails and messages so please forgive my delay, but I will get back to everyone who got in touch.

I will miss the Mythic community greatly and am very sad that I was denied any opportunity to say an official farewell, but I very much intend to continue working in the tabletop industry, so hopefully this won't be the last you'll see of me. I look forward to a new chapter of my career, an increased passion for games and new opportunities to meet and collaborate with many new friends in 2020."

I will still be very much active on BGG of course but no-longer on behalf of Mythic Games at all. If can I help in any way I absolutely will.

Az

Personally I still remain positive about this KS since it seems that the majority of their first KS are delivered without issue (some people still seem to have an issue, but these appear to be outliers that one might expect with any major KS with a lot of product and customers)/


Which brings me to my main point about this post - anyone who's got into this got any thoughts on the BEST kits to get from the set? Right now I'm keen to get the core set since that makes it all work; but the rest its really up in the air as to what to get as they've some great looking models in all of them (and getting ALL of it isn't on the cards at all)

Layoffs and unpaid bills. They grew quite large after Joan 1.0 KSer, including having offices in France and the UK. Tale as old as time. KSer 6 years ago was awash with money for this big campaigns but now days there's a lot of competition and you can't make what you once did. Solomon Kane not doing anywhere near what they wanted, and being a licensed IP, had to hurt too.

As for the takedown. I do find it odd that Mythic games has no idea what they owe for royalties and are relying on the person earning them to know what their sales are and such which according to them is wrong because he got it from an external source. No wonder it's a mess.

Overread wrote:Which brings me to my main point about this post - anyone who's got into this got any thoughts on the BEST kits to get from the set? Right now I'm keen to get the core set since that makes it all work; but the rest its really up in the air as to what to get as they've some great looking models in all of them (and getting ALL of it isn't on the cards at all)

After the core set, the Apocalypse and Siege expansions have the best miniatures. The Siege expansion in particular looks amazing on the board. Also, I'd get the scenario book too, if it isn't part of the core pledge. I don't know if the 1.5 core set and expansion reprints will have new rules/scenario books in them.

Monkeysloth wrote:As for the takedown. I do find it odd that Mythic games has no idea what they owe for royalties and are relying on the person earning them to know what their sales are and such which according to them is wrong because he got it from an external source. No wonder it's a mess.

They likely know exactly how much royalties are owed, but need some sort of invoice from the contractor before they can pay it out. When I worked as a contract writer, I still had to send an invoice for what I had written, even though they literally had everything I had written in their hands. It seemed more like a technically to me, but I'm sure that when it comes to the legality of paying money to people, technicalities matter.

I'm certainly not suggesting this is the case but it's not impossible that a contractor might prefer to be paid without an official invoice so they can 'minimise' tax liabilities

or mythic might just be a bit inept about paying their bills

Mythic have offered to pay what they believe they owe based upon the contact but the writer is disputing the amount. They have asked him to provide an invoice showing how he has calculated what he is okay for but he hasn’t provided this.

"The contract specifies that Pascal Bernard will receive a percentage of the Net Turnover Excluding Tax. "

I think it's more likely a dispute about how this "Net Turnover Excluding Tax" is computed. Pascal Bernard is one of the game designers, so obviously is highly involved in the project, but to what extent? The KS update gives examples such as taxes, shipping, sleeves, and the RPG game that Pascal was not involved in. But there may be other aspects of the project Pascal thinks he is part of, but Mythic does not. Pascal has not provided an invoice, but -- I'm guessing -- maybe his lawyer told him not to because it might give Mythic some sort of legal advantage over him. Mythic has their own lawyer, and professionals they have consulted. And, of course, just because you have a lawyer, you only think you're in the right.

Unfortunately, since Pascal Bernard is a major game designer in the project, there's that likelihood that he will not work with Mythic again. Another game designer could replace him. I don't know who owns what rights to Joan of Arc or its game system they were going to use for other projects.

By the nature of the fact that Pascal can't stop the KS fullfilling - ergo shipping product, it sounds like whilst he has an intellectual control over the content he created under contract, he doesn't own the actual company nor product itself. In theory this means he can challenge them in court for the money, but not a controlling stake in the company.

It would imagine it means that they could continue to use all the material and sell it as they wish once the dispute is resolved - mostly the resolution will be a variation on the value of that contract that should be paid. Add on legal fees and such as well of course.

So they can move forward, plus as the first KS pretty much gave them a completed game in a box they can likely trade for a good while; adding in content developed by other specialists.

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Overread wrote:Which brings me to my main point about this post - anyone who's got into this got any thoughts on the BEST kits to get from the set? Right now I'm keen to get the core set since that makes it all work; but the rest its really up in the air as to what to get as they've some great looking models in all of them (and getting ALL of it isn't on the cards at all)

After the core set, the Apocalypse and Siege expansions have the best miniatures. The Siege expansion in particular looks amazing on the board. Also, I'd get the scenario book too, if it isn't part of the core pledge. I don't know if the 1.5 core set and expansion reprints will have new rules/scenario books in them.

Monkeysloth wrote:As for the takedown. I do find it odd that Mythic games has no idea what they owe for royalties and are relying on the person earning them to know what their sales are and such which according to them is wrong because he got it from an external source. No wonder it's a mess.

They likely know exactly how much royalties are owed, but need some sort of invoice from the contractor before they can pay it out. When I worked as a contract writer, I still had to send an invoice for what I had written, even though they literally had everything I had written in their hands. It seemed more like a technically to me, but I'm sure that when it comes to the legality of paying money to people, technicalities matter.

Ya, I have to admit, I only read about half the update and didn't get that far and assumed it was Royalty payments where I've, at least, never had to send an invoice to get. It seams to be a tiff over the contractor saying he should get paid for the total amount collected (including shipping and 3rd party items) vs he should get paid based off of game units. Hard to say what's right without seeing the actual contract wording and knowing some french laws.

Also reminds me that they just added a bunch of mini expansion minis sets of you just want extra figures or terrain, I may need to update my pledgemanager. Again.