Hi,

First a summary of all news by Grimstonefire. Then, further down, a collection of pics.

Grimstonefire wrote:I have done a full summary of everything I'm aware of (credit to all those who posted on warseer).

I didn't think it was worth making a new thread, but of the mods want me to I'll edit this out and start a new one.

Release date
Rumoured that some models will be out by Christmas (2010), Tamurkhan: Throne of Chaos out Feb/March/April time

The launch was originally intended for 2012 but the company want to start seeing a return on the investment in design so they will likely launch in early 2011 with 6-8 pieces and then a second wave to follow shortly after.

The production cycle is around 3 months and starting in November so around February release, Paul Rudge said that the books are being produced through Forgeworld and that there was one more IA book to come then this then another IA book then a slot which was undecided which could be the second of these.

Models intended for release (as far as I know)
Theodor Bruckner on Demigriffon (and on foot) the emperors new champion
Marienburg Land Ship
Tamur Khan a nurgle ogre ( possibly a human) riding the toad dragon.
Chaos Dwarf Siege Bombard (will have a chained ogre to load it with a couple of CD 'motivators')
Chaos Dwarf Skullcracker
Chaos Dwarf Magma cannon
Chaos Dwarf Demolition rocket
Chaos Dwarf Steam Engine
Chaos Dwarf Engineer (possibly also the second one)
Carmine Dragon
Chaos Ogre
Nurgle WoC Command
Plague Toads
Plague Toad rider
Spawn

Models showcased but unlikely to be released
Empire upgrade sprues on display won’t be produced (the fits weren't tight enough) but they will likely re-work them and then release.
Nurgle champion unlikely to be released

Rumoured models
Third Nurgle Ogre
Third Nurgle Troll.
Various riders for Carmine Dragon (Empire mentioned)
A mammoth with ogres on it
Plastic monsters for next year!
Possible Vermin Lord
One of the land train carriages will be a platform for a regiment of CD blunderbussers and that they will be released separately followed later on by command models.
More Plague Toad riders

Other rumours
Bull Centaurs
Chaos Dwarfs with Great Weapons (possibly also with halberds??)
Hobgoblins on foot and on wolves
Lord on Great Taurus
CD Sorcerer
Warrior Priests of Taal
Warrior Priests of Morr
Warrior Priest on a Griffon
A boat-like flying ship, with wing-oars.
Possible add-ons to the Doomwheel or Screaming Bell sets

Most of the Chaos Dwarf stuff will be split between books 1-2 as the models have either just been started or are still in the concept phase.

Rick confirmed they were not planning to release CD as a complete army.

The artillery train was described as akin to the warhammer equivalent of a nuke which would fire up over the walls into the centre of the city and level it!

Info on Warhammer Forge
They can't start making FW versions of regular infantry units as that treads on the studios toes, so they intend to do upgrade kits to get around this.

Things like Kislev, CD and hobgoblins would be treated as allied forces, not stand alone armies.

Dogs of War may get some treatment, but only in the form of Regiment of Renown unit/command upgrades for warhammer army book units.

Similar format to the imperial armour books; story line, characters, army lists, special rules and figures to go with.

The books will NOT contain photographs of the models, they will only be artwork. The idea is that the Warhammer Forge books will be of the "era" and be illustrated manuscripts. I guess it also allows them to release models for them years later, as they only have artwork as the placeholder.

The Warhammer Forge books will be linked and span several volumes detailing an expansion of Chaos. This is not written as an unbroken narrative but rather as a selection of scenes or encounters, parts of the story which give the background for the battles.

It will be spread over more than 40 chapters and follows the fortunes of the key characters.

The first book follows the fortunes of Tamur Khan for a bit then leaves him hanging whilst following the fortunes of one of his lieutenants for example or spotlighting events elsewhere in the warhammer world which have a bearing on the tale, before returning to the main characters again. All sumptuously illustrated with fine artworks and wonderful maps showing the routes followed by the main protagonists so we can place the events in the warhammer world as the story unfolds.

Rick has actually scaled out the WFB map in his own way to plan out how long it would actually take an army to march etc.

Rick basically wants to muck around with the timeline and advance it in these books.



The first book features the expansion of Nurgle into the West; Nurgle WoC, Chaos Dwarfs, Ogre Kingdoms and Empire.

The second book concludes the Nurgle expansion, and has some Dwarf models

Second expansion is Tzeentch into the south, fighting the Lizardmen (presumably O&G as well).

Third expansion is Slaanesh into the East, fighting ‘elves’ (presumably High Elves and Dark Elves).

Forth expansion is Khorne into the North.

Note that there will probably be 2 books per chaos god, and there may not always be a book with chaos in, if there is something significant happening somewhere else in the world that has some bearing on the overall story.

Book 1 Tamurkhan - The Throne of Chaos

Planned and written by Rick Priestley.

Lots of bespoke Adrian Smith artwork will feature in the first book.

Ostermark mentioned.

Storyline

The first book either starts or ends with the emperor presumed dead along with all or most of the counts. Esme Stoutheart the Halfling becomes the emperor, this lasts for a short while. The new emperor’s son was kidnapped by orcs and sold to chaos slavers, he's a dark sorcerer.

The books may start at a later time, many years from the current time, when the Empire truly is in ruins, a corpse waiting to be eaten by vultures

The stories are to represent the next, biggest and probably last great incursion. Some well known special characters will probably be killed off. The conclusion of this campaign (all the books) would be not just the end of the empire but the entire warhammer world hence definitely an alternative / future timeline

The first book Tamurkhan focuses on Tamur Khan (a Nurgle worshipping warlord) who is marching west through the lands of the Chaos Dwarfs and the Ogre Kingdoms. Finally ending up in the Empire.

Tamur has taken the form of an Ogre as he takes on the form of whatever he kills, otherwise he is just a big maggot or a lot of small maggots which are release when he is wounded.

The 4 brothers (major powers) divide the world into quarters, each heading in a different direction. The Nurgle invasion starts just north of the mountains of mourn. Some ogres fight against chaos, some join chaos. They then move on through the steppes and dark lands, picking up chaos dwarf and hobgoblin allies and fight their way over the mountains and along the Reik towards Marienburg. at some point the Nurgle lord bathes in the Reik and turns it to pus. The plague toads are either daemons who have used the befouled Reik as a warp rift or possessed/mutated wildlife from the river.

the first pics of the new Fantasy division of Forge World are here, taken from Dapool , reposted on Warseer:





















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The first book will be "Tamurkhan - The Throne of Chaos":
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1. Confirmation of Chaos Dwarves - Groovy!!

2. Demigriffon and rider looks interesting.

3. Nurgle gribblies, whilst fun, annoy me to see once again, like their 40k stuff, it's going to be Nurgle and Khorne. Where is the Slaaneshi funstuff?

the chaos and nurgle stuff is looking AWESOME!

LANDSHIP!

WOW.

There aren't any lemons in that lot.

Love the Marienberg land ship aspecially, it is just so WHFB.

A lot of crazy awesome stuff there, I look forward to any Orc/Lizzardmen models they do.

Glad I'm building that Marienburg army now!

Screw you, Empire Steam Tank!! =P

i've gotta agree with Gonads

but I dropped out of WHFB... dammit.

Kneeling handgunners. Yes!

Wow. Once again this new stuff looks great, I completely agree with Gonads, it definitely has a very WHFB image to it whilst still looking very, very good.

I know this stuff is Forge World, but despite their crappy customer service/care, Games-Workshop definately produce the best models and therefore should be the lead retailer for such things.

More great stuff from Games-Day.

Thats a pretty impressive amount of stuff and all of it looks pretty good as well. I wasn't expecting to see so much stuff with their initial release.

ARMORED TRAIN!


I hope they make something like a Kislev War Wagon next!

So, it came to be... two races long thought dead were resurrected together at Gamesday. Awesome. I'm blown away GW. It's like you saved all the good news that had been missing from the past couple of Gamesdays and then it just let it fly today.

Im not the kind of guy that likes steam tanks or warhammer machines etc but man there some cool monsters in there! Good stuff!

Now Im not really a nurgle fan, but those toads look nassty. In a good nurglified way.

The Carmine Dragon shall be mine!!!

Chaos Dwarfs. With Hats. And trains. Brain no go. Too much awesome.

(their CDs look like mine. Of course better, but so happy right now).

Warhammer Forge, blowing minds since day 1.

I love the Plague toads , might buy one of them for the lols is they ain't to much, i'm definatley going to buy the helderdiers and hand gunenrs upgrades.

aerethan wrote:The Carmine Dragon shall be mine!!!

I don't know how I missed it, but that looks very very promising despite the blurry shots.

Just noticed the upgrade kits for the handgunners/crossbowmen have the front ranks kneeling.
Theese I definitely WILL be buying.

Both they, and the spear/halbardiers, look to be entirely resin except for the arms.

I foresee this project going well if they don't overdo nurgle like FW does. The possibilities for unique models and unit upgrades are damn near endless.

I'm not personally interested in plague toads or chaos dwarves, but I feel like the Warhammer Fantasy world just isn't right without them. I've never liked goofy steam contraptions for Empire or regular Dwarves, but for CDs it fits. I wish we could see some slaves shoveling coal, but maybe they will come with time.

Not sure about the demigryphs. They look quite similar to the Kroot Knarlocks. But then the Knarlocks are pure awesome, so these should be too.

WOW!!!! They out did themselves on this stuff!!! All hail Astrogoth!!!Praise Hashut. The stove pipe stunties are back and are really p.od., some of the best work ive seen from forgeworld in a while.

Can't wait to see the normal regiments of Chaos Dwarves when they are released. Glad they kept the beards too.

Kroothawk wrote:

What the hell is that huge thing?

A Toad Dragon, apparently. Presumably the mount for some Chaos bigwig.

I think I need to go and change my boxers.

And find a well paying job.

yeah,
those nurgle toads are ace...
I'm getting them, beasts of nurgle i think.

PAnic...

Holy gak, I thought they were just dipping their toes in the Fantasy FW section...that's just a truckload of awesome releases.

Very nice. Chaos Dwarves FTW.

I wonder what they could do for High Elves, if they ever get around to it...

Amazing.

That stuff is amazing...now to find a well paying job so I could actually afford some of it.

Hell yeah, Nurgle got some lovin' since they get screwed on plastics again.

No HPA....

Nice.

I like the wifes comment best.... Oh bugger, well thats it for Birthday and Christmas presents for ever then...

Need a bigger overdraft.

I dunno if I like the Chaos Dwarf stuff, they never stuck me so much as being steam powered, more daemon powered. That Skullcraker is a nice conceptual revisit for chaos dwarf, the bigger brother to the old Tenderizer.

I hope theyre also releasing a way to *use* these big models.. Amazing stuff just dont want them to be only shelf stuffers

I think I just found my Empire General.

Uktabi wrote:No HPA....

GW will release a plastic one. And FW made it clear that they will do their own thing, not filling holes in GW's miniature range.
From another thread:

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:Got some stuff on Chaos Dwarves:

Engineers, crew, and some machines are done. You can probably find some pictures floating around somewhere.

There is no current plans to reintroduce Chaos Dwarves as a major army-rather, they will be worked into the other Chaos lists.

There are no plans to produce any Chaos Dwarf 'grunts' so to speak at this moment in time.

Artwork for Hobgoblins, Bull Centaurs, and Tauros are done. And if the art is anything to go by, yes, you will want a Tauros.

for doing Bighats!

I love everything there, especially the monsters and the Chaos Dwarf infantry. The Chaos Dwarf Vehicles I don't like at all. They look really wierd.

Chaos Dwarfs!

And really, if they sell well enough, and they should!, I think we'll see a full and proper CD army eventually.

And, there's no saying that they aren't Daemon powered and it just looks like steam power, right?

Either way - awesome!

The Chaos Dwarf stuff looks very, very mid 90's to me. I love that era and that's basically been their spiel, but something doesn't sit quite right with me. They're WIP though, so whatever it is I don't like will probably be fixed right quick.

The Plague Toads are cool. I can see somebody using them with Plague Marines for some sort of Thunderwolf Cavalry counts-as. Some very expensive counts-as, mind you.

Alpharius wrote:Chaos Dwarfs!

And really, if they sell well enough, and they should!, I think we'll see a full and proper CD army eventually.

And, there's no saying that they aren't Daemon powered and it just looks like steam power, right?

Either way - awesome!

And to think, people doubted Grimstonefire and I about Chaos Dwarves!

I gotta get me some of those Plague Toads.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Glad I'm building that Marienburg army now!

Screw you, Empire Steam Tank!! =P

You're going to be even more glad, because it looks like the Spearmen/Halberdier upgrade kit includes torsos featuring Manaan iconography.

Plague Toads with riders - the Blood Crushers of the next Codex: Daemons.

Since the current Chaos Spawn are no good, those Nurgle toads would make great Nurgle ones, or great Greater Deamons even. Not sure about all the other stuff like the trolls. I still think Plague Bearers are sublevel and could use the attention.

Pretty good stuff though all around. I wish I could make collecting and painting 100 different armies a full time, well paying job...

That carmine dragon is georgeous in person. I was speaking to some of the producers and it will prob be coming out first half next year, I for one will be getting at least one.

There was a pretty awesome spawn there, but i cant see it in any pictures.

I was speaking to one of the WF designers about CDs. He said he can't see them doing CD infantry because (though he thinks theyre awesome and would love to see a CD army) there would be too many infantry models. He said until they can get the costs down, they won't be happening.

Kanluwen wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Chaos Dwarfs!

And really, if they sell well enough, and they should!, I think we'll see a full and proper CD army eventually.

And, there's no saying that they aren't Daemon powered and it just looks like steam power, right?

Either way - awesome!

And to think, people doubted Grimstonefire and I about Chaos Dwarves!

Er, what?

Who?

Anyway, who cares!

Was just saying that a certain individual doubted Grimstone and I about Chaos Dwarves...

I think his name started with an "Alph"...

Anyways. Theodor Bruckner is totally going to be bought. Maybe even the mounted version too!

I Love you Warhammer Forge!!!

Damn son, all of those models are the business!

Those Chaos Trolls are my favorite, followed closely by....haha, by pretty much everything else!

Kanluwen wrote:Was just saying that a certain individual doubted Grimstone and I about Chaos Dwarves...

I think his name started with an "Alph"...

Anyways. Theodor Bruckner is totally going to be bought. Maybe even the mounted version too!

This is so wrong it isn't even funny.

I already knew about them for months now, but was sworn to secrecy.

So, looks like someone's memory is failing them at a rather tender age!

Agamemnon2 wrote:A Toad Dragon, apparently. Presumably the mount for some Chaos bigwig.

It is called a Toad Dragon, and the front cover for the first supplement features a chaos lord riding one.

Vitruvian XVII wrote:I was speaking to one of the WF designers about CDs. He said he can't see them doing CD infantry because (though he thinks theyre awesome and would love to see a CD army) there would be too many infantry models. He said until they can get the costs down, they won't be happening.

That seems a real shame because the Chaos Dwarves are so expensive on eBay and unavailable from GW. I'd rather see them given som infantry rather than merely a collection of warmachines to attach to current Chaos Warriors armies. Could they not do a plastic Chaos Dwarf regiment them? There are beastmen and a load of daemons and other stuff, thorwing us a single plastic Chaos Dwarf regiment would allow them to be used in addition to a regular Chaos army like these warmachines, or they could allow people to collect an entirely Chaos Dwarf army.

For those of us not up on the fluff, who is this Theodor Bruckner character?

Interesting stuff... unfortunately, although it's cool to see a race come back from the grave of updates / acknowledgement that they even exist, I'm not interested in getting chaos dwarves.

I was hoping for a good model to use an alternative to the curren (and tired, imho) giant model. There is a "giant giant" model but nothing suitable for this...

Any word on when most of it is coming out? I saw one mention of early next year for an item in this thread, is most of this looking to be out next year?

Chaos Dwarfs with HATS!

Man alive! Those are really cool. I'm a hair disappointed the CD stuff isn't a little more demonic/hell cannon looking, but whatever.

I'm really quite excited at the spectrum, and especially the Empire infantry upgrade kits. Can't totally see what's going on there, but even just the concept is pretty great.

As usual, brilliant concepts ane gorgeous sculpts. I don't play fantasy, but i might get a model or two, and I'll definitely get the book. Thanks to the attendees who took pictures for us.

Well I'lll get the CD Engineer definitely and then try and save up for a Skullcrusher.

And to be honest about CD infantry, there's been a lot of people saying different things, many saying the designers told them whatever their saying so I'm not sure who to believe.

Way I see it is if enough people buy the CD stuff it'll show there's a market for them and infantry will be made eventually (well I really hope that'll be the case)

Kanluwen wrote:And to think, people doubted Grimstonefire and I about Chaos Dwarves!

Lol. To say I had a very strong feeling they would be doing chaos dwarfs since about may 2008 will probably be a sufficient 'I told you so'.

From what I gather they've brought the whole project forwards a year to try and recoup costs. Probably why they've chosen to focus on nurgle first (the most popular god I believe), and the most expensive CD things first.

Well Grim, seems your quote in my sig was right after all lol

And the Nurgle thing makes sense, do you think they'll do something equivalent to the Toads for the other 3 gods?

Grimstonefire posted this from his friend Loki:

CDs are back I have good high quality pics of every thing , even the concept art , there will be a new book , foot troops, hobgoblins on foot and on wolfs , and loads of war machines , stuff will be out by Christmas.
(...)
Answers to a few question that I have seen, yes it's this Christmas that some of the cd stuff will be out by, a book with CDs in will be out march, April time, and about foot troops I can only go on what I heard from the guys on the warhammer forge stand and they said there would be some.

Expect pics tomorrow. He added:

Loki said something about wolf riders, hobgoblins on foot, Bull Centaurs and something that looked like a taurus. Hopefully this time tommorrow we will have some pics of concept art to discuss.

Still, Harry disclaims a separate Chaos Dwarf book and gives a rough sketch of what to come:

Nurgle only gets all the love initially ... with the first book.
They get something similar to an IA book but a series of books are planned. All centered around Chaos.
The Empire stuff are Marienburgers but sadly they are not set to be released as things stand.
There will not be a Chaos Dwarf book in the near future. That is not what this project is about.
No, there is not a full Marienburg army planned either.

DM wrote:Just on the book, I have had a quick leaf through and listened to Rick Preistly chatting the book is about a chaos invasion by a maurder clan and the chap leading it for whom the book is named after. This a takes place in an alternate timeline.
The theme is chaos and particularly nurgle, due for release in the middle of next year.

Or a bit sooner if everything goes to plan.
(...)
This is what it is all about.
(And I have been busting a gut to start talking about this for a while).
First you have Rick P. (for crying out loud) Planning this epic story spanning several volumes of the expansion of Choas. Initially this guy who spreads west through the lands of the Chaos Dwarves and the Ogre Kingdoms. Finally pitching up in the Empire.
This is not written as an unbroken narrative but rather as a selection of scenes of encounters, parts of the story which give the background for the battles.
Spread over more than 40 chapters he will follow the fortunes of the key characters. He follows the fortunes of Tamur Khan for a bit then leaves him hanging whilst following the fortunes of one of his lieutenants for example or spotlighting events elsewhere in the warhammer world which have a bearing on the tale, before returning to the main characters again. All sumptiously illustrated with fine artworks and wonderful maps showing the routes followed by the main protagonists so we can place the events in the warhammer world as the story unfolds.
(...)
Yes a Nurgle worshipping warlord.
My understanding is that the first book features the expansion of Nurgle into the West. This will be followed by the expansion of Tzeentch into the south, Slaanesh into the East and Khorne into the North.
I think we can only begin to imagine what happens when all four points of the Chaos star are in place.
I'm not sure anything quite this cool has ever happened to the hobby.
(...)

...why are the presenting a empire "upgrade" kitt as i think it was called if they are not planning on releasing it...?

Not sure. They made them but they have not been given the nod. Something about not wanting to start an army without plans/capacity to complete the whole Marienburger army.
I think Rick has a big list of models he wants making to go with the books and these are going to be the priority.
it does not mean they won'tdip randomly into other armies just to produce cool stuff but this will be the focus of their efforts and I don't think they have the time/capacity to get involved in whole armies YET! (CD or Empire).
(At least that is my understanding).
(...)
I think we get the first book in about six months time and then I guess the rest over the coming few years
(much like they have rolled out the AI books).

Hochdorf wrote:So... let me get this straight. There's going to be a series of books following four Chaos warlords, starting with this Tamur Khan fellow who is the one devoted to Nurgle? And each of them is going to be attacking a different area of the WH world, potentially meeting up at the end for some cataclysmic battle?
So it looks like Tamur Khan is going to be passing through the Ogre Kingdoms and the Chaos Dwarf realms on his way west from Central Asia (WH equivalent), and apparently he's gathering forces from both of these regions as he goes (hence Chaos Ogres and Chaos Dwarf weapons). In fact, his story may bear a slight resemblance to that of a certain historical Tamerlane... only more gribbly!
Well, if this is true, then it sounds like the most awesome thing ever.

Thats about the size of it .... except you forgot to mention the Hobgoblins and the Chaos Dwarf Centaurs.
(No idea if these will be made but they were there in the art work).

Hochdorf wrote:Harry: That does indeed sound absolutely amazing. If there are Hobgoblins then so much the better. I LOVE HOBGOBLINS. This is all really good news. Do you by any chance know if the Chaos Dwarf Centaurs resemble the Bull Centaurs of old?

In so much as they had four legs and two arms but that is where the similarity ended. The art work was very tasty. No idea if the models are on the way or how close they will get to the art work.

DM wrote:On the Empire upgrade kit, I did hear Rick P say that the sculptor did them as a learning project when they joined.

CMDante wrote:I spoke with Rick at length about the warhammer forge stuff. He told me the following:

- the Empire kits on display were largely done as tests (except the Demi griffon guy and the land ship), the ones on show likely wo t be produced (the fits weren't tight enough) but they will likely re-work them and then release.

They can't start making FW versions of regular infantry units as that treads on the studios toes, so they intend to do upgrade kits to get around this.

- the warhammer books are likely to follow the same template as AI books - a storyline, characters, army lists, special rules and figures to go with.

- launch was originally intended for 2012 but the company want to start seeing a return on the investment in design so they will likely launch in early 2011 with 6-8 pieces and then a second wave to follow shortly after.

- lots of bespoke Adrian Smith artwork will feature in the first book.

- I saw Ostermark mentioned on one page before Rick flipped through to show me more of the design elements.

- the dragon is likely to get riders (Empire one was defo mentioned).

sparks wrote:Like CMDante and Harry, I had a 20 minute chat with Rick about the book. He clearly seems full of enthusiasm for it and kept on bemoaning the sales people. It seems like a real labour of love and it's only been the last 6-12 months where they've had sufficient people to produce for it. Rick has actually scaled out the WFB map in his own way to plan out how long it would actually take an army to march,etc (mental).

Tamur has taken the form of an Ogre as he takes on the form of whatever he kills (according to Rick). Otherwise he is just a big maggot or a lot of small maggots which are release when he is wounded. Rick said that CD are definitely not an army list, and I guess I should've looked harder at the artwork as I had the impression it would be warmachines and crew only?

He also said there are plans for a mammoth with ogres on it (or equivalent) and in one of the seminars they promised lots of big plastic monsters for next year. The rules/scenarios are not written for the first book apparently. Rick wants to playtest a 24' x 12' board and no one will let him have the space (or something equally ludicrous). Lots of stunning detail, narrative and he expects it to go on for at least the next 6 years or so, with around 2 books a year if all goes to plan. He also mentioned normal dwarves for book 2! (I kept pressing as a dwarf player. I was mainly confused as there was no dwarf involvement despite this fella seemingly marching over the world's edge mountains to get to the Empire!)

All in all, rather excited about the project. Rick basically wants to muck around with the timeline and advance it in these books (he hates the sales driven campaigns and wants to leave the Empire in a complete state of disrepair). The first book either starts or ends with

Spoiler:

the emperor presumed dead along with all or most of the counts

.He also said the first book ends on a cliffhanger so that he can move onto the stories of the other 3 powers if he chooses to. All in all, top bloke and made me very excited about the project. Reminded me very much of Terry Pratchett as well!

miteyheroes from BolS wrote:Apparently the first 4 books will be about 4 huge Chaos invasions, happening all around the WFB world, led by 4 siblings. I'm guessing this will mean 1 book per God, and they'll try to cover lots of different races. Had fascinating chats about Skaven- possible Vermin Lord, possible add-ons to the Doomwheel or Screaming Bell sets- what if the Doomwheel was used as just the wheels of a bigger object? Or a generator? Or imagine teleporters, mixing people together like in the Fly for Moulder?

Here a sneaky shot, not sure if really a preview on a new ratling gun:
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff153/riggerz1987/SAM_0147.jpg


Phew, a busy day of rumour posting ends now for me.

Kroothawk wrote:

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:Got some stuff on Chaos Dwarves:

Engineers, crew, and some machines are done. You can probably find some pictures floating around somewhere.

There is no current plans to reintroduce Chaos Dwarves as a major army-rather, they will be worked into the other Chaos lists.

There are no plans to produce any Chaos Dwarf 'grunts' so to speak at this moment in time.

Artwork for Hobgoblins, Bull Centaurs, and Tauros are done. And if the art is anything to go by, yes, you will want a Tauros.

for doing Bighats!

If the Warhammer Forge matches the 40K Forgeworld business plan, then there WILL be a Chaos Dwarf list at some time down the line. "At this time" is a typical unspecific term for GW. It means "if it sells well, then we'll make the army'. DKoK came first, then the rules. Don't see this being any different.

I agree with Crippler on this, chances are with all the popularity the CD models so far have been getting there will be quite a bit of sales and when WF sees that their popular the other models (like infantry CDs) will be made along with full rules

Chaos Dwarf Boner.....wow not the models I saw but these look great count me in for sure.

col. krazy kenny wrote:WOW!!!! They out did themselves on this stuff!!! All hail Astrogoth!!!Praise Hashut. The stove pipe stunties are back and are really p.od., some of the best work ive seen from forgeworld in a while.

With the direction things are headed, we'll see a new Giblet Grinda and Tenderizer come out sooner rather than later.

Tho I wouldn't expect he moving when pushed features.

Im usually not a Nurgle fanboy, but some of those new things look very juicy. Cool stuff all around though, I love that landship.

JohnHwangDD wrote:With the direction things are headed, we'll see a new Giblet Grinda and Tenderizer come out sooner rather than later.

Tenderizer anyone?

Landship? Empire Upgrades?!

It is bad enough my IG upgrades cost me an arm and a leg, but now my Fantasy army gets to cost me the same or more! Awesome.

So with all the FW Nurgle love, will GW come out with Plastic Plaguebearers??

How is it that the Forge stuff has made it onto eBay already?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Forgeworld-Warhammer-Chaos-Plague-toad-rider-GAMESDAY-/180566963006?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item2a0aa1333e#ht_500wt_1154

They were selling them as pre-release with the chaos ogres yesterday!

Ah nice, I didn't think anything was in production at this stage. Did they give any indications on prices for the rest of the stuff. I guess the Landship is probably similar to the war mammoth or a titan, and the chaos dwarf vehicles £50-80.

Theft I would presume.

Anyway, if all of the Warhammer Forge products are like that Plague Dragon, I'm going to need a bigger wallet.

Sigh.


Guess my first Forgeworld order is gonna end up being that Carmine Dragon. Goodbye Bank account - you will be missed.

demigriffon? did flightless griffons actually exist in fantasy warhammer prior to sunday?

Chaos Dwarves!! Yay!

Best fantasy army ever! I read through the old army book the other night - awesome!!

I am sooo happy. Plus it means I can get some "official" models for my scratchbuilt Hellcannon. Sod it, I might but one of those siege machines and proxy it in...

Seemingly so!

More Fauna says I! MOAR!

I want better pics of the Giant. Looks like it will be entirely too big like the Bloodthirster, but quite an epic centerpiece.

Question. The Ogre on the top. Does he look Chaos-y or just Ogre-y? Could he be a character for the book?

warboss wrote:demigriffon? did flightless griffons actually exist in fantasy warhammer prior to sunday?

Yeah. There's a brief mention of them in the new 8th edition rulebook. Specifically "...the Knights of the Vengeful Sun have several units of highly-trained Demigryph riders trained and ready for battle". There's also mention in the sentence before that one of Kislevite cavalrymen who ride armored warbears into battle, so maybe they're in the pipeline as well.

Looks good...... impressed with how much they managed to get done already.

Some new tidbit:

AndrewGPaul from Warseer wrote:When I asked Rick Priestley about the scale of the Chaos incursions the books will cover, his replay was "they're the story of how Chaos destroys the world". Without reading the full tet, take that as you will. He also mentioned that they'll cover the main races; this first book will be Nurgle vs the Empire since it was in his words "the easiest to write", and subsequent ones will be something along the lines of Tzeentch vs the Elves, Khorne vs the Dwarfs and Slaanesh vs Lizardmen, something like that.

I was told that the Chaos Dwarfs would be the artillery and engineering corps of the Chaos forces, rather than a full army of their own - the landtrain-style warmachines would be the main focus of that race. As for the initial range, some of the models - like Trish's "Carmine Dragon" - are basically in there to bulk out the ranga, rather than being part of the story. No idea when the book's out - the proper production will start in November, and they've got to fit it into Forgeworld's publishing schedule around the Imperial Armour books. From what Rick said, don't expect it before Imperial Armour 9 at the earliest.

cornonthecob from Warseer wrote:I asked rick priestly about the book and models

He said that the book is about four chaos invasions on the empire, the first is nurgle.

The main guy in this book is a nurgle ogre ( possibly a human) riding the toad dragon

The chaos dwarfs will be only sold with the warmachines , I asked about possibly selling the crew seperatley and they said that it would annoy the sculpters who worked on them to have them be converted into chaos dwarf warriors

The book will go forward in the timeline , because it's forgeworld it's not exactly canon .

That demi-gryph rider is the emperors new champion

Story details

Spoiler:

The fluff is that after this invasion begins , the chaos dwarfs supplying the seige engines, all the elector counts are killed the only remaining electors are the cult of sigmar , ulric and Esme Stoutheart ( The halfling).

Stoutheart becomes the emperor, this lasts for a short while

The toads are made when the leader of the invasion wades into the river reik and befouls it, it turns the frogs and toads into the river into those resin toads.

The emperor has a son, he was kidnapped by orcs and sold to chaos slavers , he's a dark sorceror.

Lord Mayor Of Y'ha-nthlei from Warseer wrote:i was told that one of the land train carriages will be a platform for a regiment of CD blunderbuss and that they will be released separately followed later on by command models, bull centaurs, halberdiers or great weapons, a lord on taurus and a sorcerer (not to mention hobgobbos). most of this stuff will come between books 1-2 as the models have either just been started or are atill in the concept phase.

apparently the books are heavilly inspired by the realms of chaos books, although rick priestly isn't lead writer he has had a big inflence on them. expect loads of wierd and characterful stuff for all the forces involved.

they will also release random stuff for other races as they 'sometimea have ideas that are too cool to pass up'

a prime example is the vermin lord that mark bedford has been making. it is a sculpt for his own skaven collection but he wants to show it to tony cottrell and thinks the chances are high that it will see release

Kroothawk wrote:

Lord Mayor Of Y'ha-nthlei from Warseer wrote:i was told that one of the land train carriages will be a platform for a regiment of CD blunderbuss and that they will be released separately followed later on by command models, bull centaurs, halberdiers or great weapons, a lord on taurus and a sorcerer (not to mention hobgobbos). most of this stuff will come between books 1-2 as the models have either just been started or are atill in the concept phase.

apparently the books are heavilly inspired by the realms of chaos books, although rick priestly isn't lead writer he has had a big inflence on them. expect loads of wierd and characterful stuff for all the forces involved.

I really, really, REALLY hope this comes to pass.

I'll start saving now though, just in case it does...!

Far more excited about the prospect of the Tzeentch/High Elf match-up.

Ulthuan was already devastated once by a flatout battle of casters. This is going to be something...more.

Here's hoping Alith-Anar plays a big part!

That painted Ogre is Chaos. There's another pic earlier in the thread of that guy unpainted and labeled as "Chaos Ogre".

Also, is Warhammer Forge a seperate entity or is it going to be part of the ForgeWorld site?

I hope it's not as I want to be able to get free shipping even though I'm buying fantasy and 40k items.

And to think before yesterday I didn't even know I needed a Marienburg Land Ship.

And now - must...have....

lol, Too bad it's not coming out.

Scottywan82 wrote:lol, Too bad it's not coming out.

Where did you hear that that one's not coming out?

Murdock129 wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:lol, Too bad it's not coming out.

Where did you hear that that one's not coming out?

Read the thread. Kroothawk said it I believe.

Oh, I read the post. But I don't think you commission something like that and then display it at Games Day in order to NOT release it. I'm sure it will take a while, but I bet the land ship comes out eventually. Just gives me more time to save money...

Now WFB has become even more tempting, hrm.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Where is the Slaaneshi funstuff?

Aww, nobody did an "in my pants!" joke?

hubcap wrote:Oh, I read the post. But I don't think you commission something like that and then display it at Games Day in order to NOT release it. I'm sure it will take a while, but I bet the land ship comes out eventually. Just gives me more time to save money...

Well, the basic explanation was that they don't want to release it until they have a "full line" of Marienburg stuff to release all at once. I don't know if Marienburg is going to be involved with the whole Nurgle bit, seeing as how they're pretty "meh" about the Empire proper.

Marienburg or not, that upgrade kit looks fantastic. Though, with 8th's emphasis on large blocks, and FW stuff costing a pretty penny, I don't think it'll see too much use.

And they've shown tons of things at GD's without releasing it. Remember those Tau from a while back? Still yet to be released...

My understanding of what was said is that the empire upgrade models on show themselves will never be for sale... however this is is because they are being remodelled to be improved. So from their point of view this probably meant they could tell people those models were not being released, because they aren't.

Simples.

Another tidbit from Warseer:

johnny cab wrote:Chaos Dwarves on Forgeworld stand have been made by Spanish female sculptor Thais Mariblanca (she made those funny squigs and she works for several other companies too). Concept art by Mark Bedford from Forgeworld, I forgot

Kroothawk wrote:
Expect pics tomorrow.

That's yesterday, do we get bonus photos for delay?

poipo32 wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:
Expect pics tomorrow.

That's yesterday, do we get bonus photos for delay?

Here you go, the concept sketches posted by Loki over at http://www.chaos-dwarfs.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=8292:





















There are a bucket full of closeup pics of everything in that thread (including detail pics of the above sketches), worth visiting:



Satisfied?

yeah,
that PlagueBearer on the bottom left of the WHFB book looks awesome!
FW Please Please Please make resin PlagueBearerererers!

Panic...

Oh man that land ship looks cool.

They really do NEED to sell that Landship.

We really should stage a write in campaign to that effect!

Again:

The way they talked about it made it seem like they're planning on selling the stuff, just "not at this time".

They want to have a full line of Marienburg stuff to sell all at once, not just one or two things not connected with anything at all.

Frankly, I could see the Marienburg stuff releasing alongside the Tzeentch v. High Elf book that was mentioned.
Marienburg being a heavily sea-based province, maybe have them fleeing the Nurgle invasion of the Empire by going to Ulthuan?

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Kanluwen wrote:Again:

The way they talked about it made it seem like they're planning on selling the stuff, just "not at this time".

While I hope that is true, many aren't reading those comments the same way.

Still - I think they are too good to NOT release, so I think we'll see most of them eventually.

Then people need to learn to read?

Considering the exact quote we've got is "There's no plans to release them at this time, until there's a full range of Marienburg items to release.", I'd say that's pretty definitive.

poipo32 wrote:Bandwidth exceeded...

Oops, sorry made no copies and warning in the original thread came too late. Chaos Dwarfs are still popular it seems
These were concept sketches by Mark Bedford for Chaos Dwarfs (with horns), Hobgoblins, Hobgoblin Wolf Riders, a bull Centaur and a Taurus.

I rehosted them on imageshack.













That last one is my favorite, it looks like a Nurgle Chaos Dwarf.

So whats the demonic glowing bull thingy then? Also that art of the nurgle toad is really disgusting.

That is the famous Taurus, Chaos Dwarf General mount (painted red also called Red Bull ).
On second thought, it doesn't have wings, so it might be something different, like an Avatar of Hashut, God of the Chaos Dwarfs.


Here some more pics:

More pictures snapped by loki that I rehosted.

Can't believe no-ones posted this:

I have done a full summary of everything I'm aware of (credit to all those who posted on warseer).

I didn't think it was worth making a new thread, but of the mods want me to I'll edit this out and start a new one.

Release date
Rumoured that some models will be out by Christmas (2010), Tamurkhan: Throne of Chaos out Feb/March/April time

The launch was originally intended for 2012 but the company want to start seeing a return on the investment in design so they will likely launch in early 2011 with 6-8 pieces and then a second wave to follow shortly after.

The production cycle is around 3 months and starting in November so around February release, Paul Rudge said that the books are being produced through Forgeworld and that there was one more IA book to come then this then another IA book then a slot which was undecided which could be the second of these.

Models intended for release (as far as I know)
Theodor Bruckner on Demigriffon (and on foot) the emperors new champion
Marienburg Land Ship
Tamur Khan a nurgle ogre ( possibly a human) riding the toad dragon.
Chaos Dwarf Siege Bombard (will have a chained ogre to load it with a couple of CD 'motivators')
Chaos Dwarf Skullcracker
Chaos Dwarf Magma cannon
Chaos Dwarf Demolition rocket
Chaos Dwarf Steam Engine
Chaos Dwarf Engineer (possibly also the second one)
Carmine Dragon
Chaos Ogre
Nurgle WoC Command
Plague Toads
Plague Toad rider
Spawn

Models showcased but unlikely to be released
Empire upgrade sprues on display won’t be produced (the fits weren't tight enough) but they will likely re-work them and then release.
Nurgle champion unlikely to be released

Rumoured models
Third Nurgle Ogre
Third Nurgle Troll.
Various riders for Carmine Dragon (Empire mentioned)
A mammoth with ogres on it
Plastic monsters for next year!
Possible Vermin Lord
One of the land train carriages will be a platform for a regiment of CD blunderbussers and that they will be released separately followed later on by command models.
More Plague Toad riders

Other rumours
Bull Centaurs
Chaos Dwarfs with Great Weapons (possibly also with halberds??)
Hobgoblins on foot and on wolves
Lord on Great Taurus
CD Sorcerer
Warrior Priests of Taal
Warrior Priests of Morr
Warrior Priest on a Griffon
A boat-like flying ship, with wing-oars.
Possible add-ons to the Doomwheel or Screaming Bell sets

Most of the Chaos Dwarf stuff will be split between books 1-2 as the models have either just been started or are still in the concept phase.

Rick confirmed they were not planning to release CD as a complete army.

The artillery train was described as akin to the warhammer equivalent of a nuke which would fire up over the walls into the centre of the city and level it!

Info on Warhammer Forge
They can't start making FW versions of regular infantry units as that treads on the studios toes, so they intend to do upgrade kits to get around this.

Things like Kislev, CD and hobgoblins would be treated as allied forces, not stand alone armies.

Dogs of War may get some treatment, but only in the form of Regiment of Renown unit/command upgrades for warhammer army book units.

Similar format to the imperial armour books; story line, characters, army lists, special rules and figures to go with.

The books will NOT contain photographs of the models, they will only be artwork. The idea is that the Warhammer Forge books will be of the "era" and be illustrated manuscripts. I guess it also allows them to release models for them years later, as they only have artwork as the placeholder.

The Warhammer Forge books will be linked and span several volumes detailing an expansion of Chaos. This is not written as an unbroken narrative but rather as a selection of scenes or encounters, parts of the story which give the background for the battles.

It will be spread over more than 40 chapters and follows the fortunes of the key characters.

The first book follows the fortunes of Tamur Khan for a bit then leaves him hanging whilst following the fortunes of one of his lieutenants for example or spotlighting events elsewhere in the warhammer world which have a bearing on the tale, before returning to the main characters again. All sumptuously illustrated with fine artworks and wonderful maps showing the routes followed by the main protagonists so we can place the events in the warhammer world as the story unfolds.

Rick has actually scaled out the WFB map in his own way to plan out how long it would actually take an army to march etc.

Rick basically wants to muck around with the timeline and advance it in these books.



The first book features the expansion of Nurgle into the West; Nurgle WoC, Chaos Dwarfs, Ogre Kingdoms and Empire.

The second book concludes the Nurgle expansion, and has some Dwarf models

Second expansion is Tzeentch into the south, fighting the Lizardmen (presumably O&G as well).

Third expansion is Slaanesh into the East, fighting ‘elves’ (presumably High Elves and Dark Elves).

Forth expansion is Khorne into the North.

Note that there will probably be 2 books per chaos god, and there may not always be a book with chaos in, if there is something significant happening somewhere else in the world that has some bearing on the overall story.

Book 1 Tamurkhan - The Throne of Chaos

Planned and written by Rick Priestley.

Lots of bespoke Adrian Smith artwork will feature in the first book.

Ostermark mentioned.

Storyline

The first book either starts or ends with the emperor presumed dead along with all or most of the counts. Esme Stoutheart the Halfling becomes the emperor, this lasts for a short while. The new emperor’s son was kidnapped by orcs and sold to chaos slavers, he's a dark sorcerer.

The books may start at a later time, many years from the current time, when the Empire truly is in ruins, a corpse waiting to be eaten by vultures

The stories are to represent the next, biggest and probably last great incursion. Some well known special characters will probably be killed off. The conclusion of this campaign (all the books) would be not just the end of the empire but the entire warhammer world hence definitely an alternative / future timeline

The first book Tamurkhan focuses on Tamur Khan (a Nurgle worshipping warlord) who is marching west through the lands of the Chaos Dwarfs and the Ogre Kingdoms. Finally ending up in the Empire.

Tamur has taken the form of an Ogre as he takes on the form of whatever he kills, otherwise he is just a big maggot or a lot of small maggots which are release when he is wounded.

The 4 brothers (major powers) divide the world into quarters, each heading in a different direction. The Nurgle invasion starts just north of the mountains of mourn. Some ogres fight against chaos, some join chaos. They then move on through the steppes and dark lands, picking up chaos dwarf and hobgoblin allies and fight their way over the mountains and along the Reik towards Marienburg. at some point the Nurgle lord bathes in the Reik and turns it to pus. The plague toads are either daemons who have used the befouled Reik as a warp rift or possessed/mutated wildlife from the river.

Nice summary with lots of information I have missed so far. I added your summary to the first post of this thread.

So Warhammer Forge will not release a complete Chaos Dwarf army, but just
Lord on Great Taurus
CD Sorcerer
Chaos Dwarfs with Great Weapons (possibly also with halberds??)
CD blunderbussers with command
Bull Centaurs
Hobgoblins on foot and on wolves
CD engineers with lots of cannons and siege weapons
all with rules, background and point costs?

I think I can live with that

BTW, here some further tidbits by Harry:

I am pretty sure their are some warriors coming to go with that Nurgle command.
Also I hear whispers of both Nurgle Knights and Empire Knights.
I got the impression that another Nurgle Troll and Ogre to make up the set of three were a bit of a certainty.
and a BIG land ship ... big enough to have a house on it as seen in the artwork might to be on the cards.
Also I got the impression if we made enough fuss about Festus and some of the other bits and bobs ... there was a chance.
There was also a stunning Nurgle model ... some sort of ridden beast next to the Demi Griffon I can't see in your list.

I think they take a particular route to Altdorf so I am not sure they plan on doing something specific for every province.

Lovely figures that I will never buy because of cost and because they are going to be made in resin. Remember the good old days when GW churned out models monthly in metal?

Upgrade bodies? Should be metal.
Chaos Dwarf troops? Should be metal.

Save the resin for super detailed stuff or things that are one off.

lasgunpacker wrote:Upgrade bodies? Should be metal.
Chaos Dwarf troops? Should be metal.

Remember that Chaos Dwarf troops were mostly plastic, from the CD Warrior plastic box?

lasgunpacker wrote:Save the resin for super detailed stuff or things that are one off.

They do
That's what resin is famous for. Have a peek at Forge Worlds DKoK army and compare them to GW's Cadians or Catachans

Kroothawk wrote:

lasgunpacker wrote:Upgrade bodies? Should be metal.
Chaos Dwarf troops? Should be metal.

Remember that Chaos Dwarf troops were mostly plastic, from the CD Warrior plastic box?

lasgunpacker wrote:Save the resin for super detailed stuff or things that are one off.

They do
That's what resin is famous for. Have a peek at Forge Worlds DKoK army and compare them to GW's Cadians or Catachans

There is no reason that the DKoK could not be made in metal, and they could be made cheaper. The retail price would doubtlessly remain the same.

Resin is a great material for some things, but I do not think that infantry or upgrades are on that list. Too expensive to produce, too fragile, and (depending on the resin) too short lived.

I've updated it with a few bits I missed.

Release date
Rumoured that some models will be out by Christmas (2010), Tamurkhan: Throne of Chaos out Feb/March/April time

The launch was originally intended for 2012 but the company want to start seeing a return on the investment in design so they will likely launch in early 2011 with 6-8 pieces and then a second wave to follow shortly after.

The production cycle is around 3 months and starting in November so around February release, Paul Rudge said that the books are being produced through Forgeworld and that there was one more IA book to come then this then another IA book then a slot which was undecided which could be the second of these.

Models intended for release (as far as I know)
Theodor Bruckner on Demigriffon (and on foot) the emperors new champion
Marienburg Land Ship
Tamur Khan a nurgle ogre ( possibly a human) riding the toad dragon.
Chaos Dwarf Siege Bombard (will have a chained ogre to load it with a couple of CD 'motivators')
Chaos Dwarf Skullcracker
Chaos Dwarf Magma cannon
Chaos Dwarf Demolition rocket
Chaos Dwarf Steam Engine
Chaos Dwarf Engineer (possibly also the second one)
Carmine Dragon
Chaos Ogre
Nurgle WoC Command
Plague Toads
Plague Toad rider
Spawn
Marauder Chieftan
Nurgle Champion with 2 hand weapons
Nurgle Rotbeast

Models showcased but unlikely to be released
Empire upgrade sprues on display won’t be produced (the fits weren't tight enough) but they will likely re-work them and then release.
Nurgle champion with great weapon unlikely to be released
Empire command models

Rumoured models
Nurgle warriors
Nurgle Knights
Empire Knights.
A BIG land ship ... big enough to have a house on it!.

Third Nurgle Ogre
Third Nurgle Troll.
Various riders for Carmine Dragon (Empire mentioned)
A mammoth with ogres on it
Plastic monsters for next year!
Possible Vermin Lord
One of the land train carriages will be a platform for a regiment of CD blunderbussers and they will be released separately followed later on by command models.
More Plague Toad riders

Other rumours
Bull Centaurs
Chaos Dwarfs with Great Weapons (possibly also with halberds??)
Hobgoblins on foot and on wolves
Lord on Great Taurus
CD Sorcerer
Warrior Priests of Taal
Warrior Priests of Morr
Warrior Priest on a Griffon
A boat-like flying ship, with wing-oars.
Possible add-ons to the Doomwheel or Screaming Bell sets

Most of the Chaos Dwarf stuff will be split between books 1-2 as the models have either just been started or are still in the concept phase.

Rick confirmed they were not planning to release CD as a complete army.

The artillery train was described as akin to the warhammer equivalent of a nuke which would fire up over the walls into the centre of the city and level it!

Info on Warhammer Forge
They can't start making FW versions of regular infantry units as that treads on the studios toes, so they intend to do upgrade kits to get around this.

Things like Kislev, CD and hobgoblins would be treated as allied forces, not stand alone armies.

Dogs of War may get some treatment, but only in the form of Regiment of Renown unit/command upgrades for warhammer army book units.

Similar format to the imperial armour books; story line, characters, army lists, special rules and figures to go with.

The books will NOT contain photographs of the models, they will only be artwork. The idea is that the Warhammer Forge books will be of the "era" and be illustrated manuscripts. I guess it also allows them to release models for them years later, as they only have artwork as the placeholder.

The Warhammer Forge books will be linked and span several volumes detailing an expansion of Chaos. This is not written as an unbroken narrative but rather as a selection of scenes or encounters, parts of the story which give the background for the battles.

It will be spread over more than 40 chapters and follows the fortunes of the key characters.

The first book follows the fortunes of Tamur Khan for a bit then leaves him hanging whilst following the fortunes of one of his lieutenants for example or spotlighting events elsewhere in the warhammer world which have a bearing on the tale, before returning to the main characters again. All sumptuously illustrated with fine artworks and wonderful maps showing the routes followed by the main protagonists so we can place the events in the warhammer world as the story unfolds.

Rick has actually scaled out the WFB map in his own way to plan out how long it would actually take an army to march etc.

Rick basically wants to muck around with the timeline and advance it in these books.



The first book features the expansion of Nurgle into the West; Nurgle WoC, Chaos Dwarfs, Ogre Kingdoms and Empire.

The second book concludes the Nurgle expansion, and has some Dwarf models

Second expansion is Tzeentch into the south, fighting the Lizardmen (presumably O&G as well).

Third expansion is Slaanesh into the East, fighting ‘elves’ (presumably High Elves and Dark Elves).

Forth expansion is Khorne into the North.

Note that there will probably be 2 books per chaos god, and there may not always be a book with chaos in, if there is something significant happening somewhere else in the world that has some bearing on the overall story.

Book 1 Tamurkhan - The Throne of Chaos

Planned and written by Rick Priestley.

Lots of bespoke Adrian Smith artwork will feature in the first book.

Ostermark mentioned.
Harry thinks the first book gets as far as the siege of Altdorf. :eek:

Storyline

The first book either starts or ends with Karl Franz presumed dead along with all or most of the counts. Esme Stoutheart the Halfling becomes the emperor, this lasts for a short while. Karl Franz son was kidnapped by orcs and sold to chaos slavers, he's a dark sorcerer.

The books may start at a later time, many years from the current time, when the Empire truly is in ruins, a corpse waiting to be eaten by vultures

The stories are to represent the next, biggest and probably last great incursion. Some well known special characters will probably be killed off. The conclusion of this campaign (all the books) would be not just the end of the empire but the entire warhammer world hence definitely an alternative / future timeline

The first book Tamurkhan focuses on Tamur Khan (a Nurgle worshipping warlord) who is marching west through the lands of the Chaos Dwarfs and the Ogre Kingdoms. Finally ending up in the Empire.

Tamur has taken the form of an Ogre as he takes on the form of whatever he kills, otherwise he is just a big maggot or a lot of small maggots which are release when he is wounded.

The 4 brothers (major powers) divide the world into quarters, each heading in a different direction. The Nurgle invasion starts just north of the mountains of mourn. Some ogres fight against chaos, some join chaos. They then move on through the steppes and dark lands, picking up chaos dwarf and hobgoblin allies and fight their way over the mountains and along the Reik towards Marienburg. at some point the Nurgle lord bathes in the Reik and turns it to pus. The plague toads are either daemons who have used the befouled Reik as a warp rift or possessed/mutated wildlife from the river.

I'm just wondering now where the races not mentioned will fit in:

Tomb Kings
Vampire Counts
Wood Elves (Possibly in the Slannesh one somehow)
Bretonnia
Skaven
And all the other human kingdoms (Araby, Nippon, Albion, Ind, the Amazons etc)

Guess they can't cover ALL 13 current armies "and all the other human kingdoms (Araby, Nippon, Albion, Ind, the Amazons etc)" in the first two years with their small team.

Remember we're looking at a 5-6 year project here. So I know it's not ideal, but it could be a long time before certain armies get something from them.

Any hints on when Warhammer Forge starts selling items?

poipo32 wrote:Any hints on when Warhammer Forge starts selling items?

Grimstonefire wrote:Release date
Rumoured that some models will be out by Christmas (2010), Tamurkhan: Throne of Chaos out Feb/March/April time

The launch was originally intended for 2012 but the company want to start seeing a return on the investment in design so they will likely launch in early 2011 with 6-8 pieces and then a second wave to follow shortly after.

The production cycle is around 3 months and starting in November so around February release, Paul Rudge said that the books are being produced through Forgeworld and that there was one more IA book to come then this then another IA book then a slot which was undecided which could be the second of these.

I should have been more precise, I just wanted to know if we had something more accurate.

People on warseer reckon it will be out in april/may, so that they can show off more at the FW open day (and do advance copies).

So, so happy that CD still have big hats! w00w00t!

Between these things and DE, the next year or two my hobby money looks predetermined...

I love all the new models that were shown and are planned, but what excites me the most is that Warhammer Forge is given the go-ahead to expand the story. After so many years of the same characters and stories, it'll be refreshing to see some "progress" in the Warhammer World. Even though its primary focus is chaos, I'm glad we'll see new protagonists and such.

I hope that after Chaos gets its time in the sun, that other "Doomsday" or endgame scenarios for the Warhammer World are told, ie Nagash finally getting up and out of Nagashizzar to finish what he started, the Skaven finally uniting and attacking the surface dwellers, the final Waaagh!, Dwarves reclaiming their empire etc. etc. So many possibilities for great fiction and even greater models!

Good times for WHFB!

I hope that the books will at least provide a way to play CD alone. I know it's just supposed to be a "support" thing for current armies according to most posts, but I'd really like to see CD stand-alone, or at least have enough to bastard-brew and create one for friendly games, haha,

those pics are really cool, mammoth and giant already exist though

ranger1977 wrote:those pics are really cool, mammoth and giant already exist though

Um yeah.

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