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Post by: Natfka
I was reading through the compiled rumors over on seer about Imperial Armour 11, and figured people over here would want to read it. I am especially interested in the cold weather upgrades for my cadians although I havent yet seen a picture. I do however have a picture of enclosed warwalkers that you can see here. http://natfka.blogspot.com/2011/01/imperial-armour-11-rumors.html#more
Imperial Armour 11
Set on a snow world/ice planet, featured Factions
+Eldar
+Space Wolves
+Imperial Guard
Will be a one off volume not a series like Badab War/Siege of Vraks (told at UK Games Day)
Eldar Units
Hornet (currently available)
Shadow Spectre Aspect Warriors (Newsletter #261)
+ Prism Cannon style weapons that can combine
+ Jet packs NOT jump packs
+ 5 models currently sculpted
+ exarch in the works
Second New Aspect? (Forgeworld presentation at UK GD )
-Talked about but never made clear if happening or not, perhaps someone can clarify this for me i didn't get in the presentation :-(
Corsairs may be involved, Exodite explicitly not involved.
Phantom Titan (Various Sources, pictured in Whats New Today 31st Dec)
Imperial Units
Will not be Valhallans, who will be dealt with seperately (Various unconfirmed sources mostly from Games Day UK chatter)
Cold weather upgrade sprue for plastic cadians ( FW presentation UK Games Day)
Malcador Infernus (Newsletter #258)
+ Do not know if directly connected with IA 11
There has been some talk about Thunderwolf Cav on warseer and other sites but i think this is Wishlisting as opposed to being built on any solid info.
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Post by: johnstewartjohn
Shame about the valhallans, could do with some greatcoats.
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Post by: BrookM
The other Guard regiment involved are Elysians, whom will be getting nothing new or have blanks in their line filled out.
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Post by: johnstewartjohn
At least the eldar are getting plenty of attention.
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
BrookM wrote:The other Guard regiment involved are Elysians, whom will be getting nothing new or have blanks in their line filled out.
I thought they were getting snow upgrades.
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Post by: Chowderhead
johnstewartjohn wrote:At least the eldar are getting plenty of attention.
Amen to that.
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Post by: kenshin620
AgeOfEgos wrote:BrookM wrote:The other Guard regiment involved are Elysians, whom will be getting nothing new or have blanks in their line filled out.
I thought they were getting snow upgrades.
Cadians are, elysians no
But I think we should wait to see whether the winter weather gear is compatible. It could be
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Post by: Dhugs
Natfka wrote:
Cold weather upgrade sprue for plastic cadians
Snow shoes? Carrot noses for decoy Snowmen?
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Post by: Vet Sgt Ezekiel
The Eldar Lynx looks interesting as do the enclosed WW cockpits. I'm glad i held off buying some now.
I better start saving!
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Post by: 1hadhq
Space Wolves, fine, but why Cadians? 
Is this abomination of Tank there to melt the ice world ?
Isn't sending Valhallans the better course of action?
Should have lots of Eldar in it, seems the imperial part of this book isn't worth it.
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Post by: BrookM
From what I recall Cadians will be getting new boots or leg conversion kits with longcoat flaps, along with cold weather gear heads.
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Post by: Orlanth
Natfka wrote:
Shadow Spectre Aspect Warriors (Newsletter #261)
+ Prism Cannon style weapons that can combine
+ Jet packs NOT jump packs
+ 5 models currently sculpted
+ exarch in the works
Second New Aspect? (Forgeworld presentation at UK GD )
-Talked about but never made clear if happening or not, perhaps someone can clarify this for me i didn't get in the presentation :-(
Shadow Spectres fill a gap that shouldn't be there. Long range anti tank aspect warriors.
As for the second aspect we might be nearing the end of the fifteen year 'wait' for Swirling Orbs of Xandos, the only named aspect from the old material not put into production. If so what they are is anyones guess, I am thinking on the lines of shield generator equipped troops that act as semi-invulnerable bullet magnets, or even reflectors.
Natfka wrote:
Phantom Titan (Various Sources, pictured in Whats New Today 31st Dec)
All I want are the stats, a 12" artists dummy, green stuff and plasticard do the rest. Automatically Appended Next Post: 1hadhq wrote:Space Wolves, fine, but why Cadians?
Thats easy, Catachans dont work so well because they look crap and are half naked. Forgeworld gets the best return when they do conversion packs for plastic squads, doing whole units is far more costly, its also less efficient as GW gets a double sale. First the Cadian plastics, then the cold weather gear squad packs. Catachans are not worth making forgewolrd packs for why add high quality to low, so Cadians get the add on packs.
Elysians make sense too, keep them in the game and add maybe one or two units, mainly its an excuse to play IA11 scenarios with pre-existing armies, a loyalty reward for people who bought Elysians for earlier booksets.
Krieg are ready do go for any breathable environment but desert. Valhallans would be nice, buit would also be a huge reinvestment for Forgeworld. GW already realised they had too many guard armies.
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Post by: Alpharius
kenshin620 wrote:AgeOfEgos wrote:BrookM wrote:The other Guard regiment involved are Elysians, whom will be getting nothing new or have blanks in their line filled out.
I thought they were getting snow upgrades.
Cadians are, elysians no
But I think we should wait to see whether the winter weather gear is compatible. It could be
Doubtful, as Elysians are actually the 'right' scale while Cadians are mutated, bighanded, 'heroic' scaled weirdos! 
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Post by: BrookM
Cadians and Elysians are not compatible. Elysians are slim, tall pretty folk compared to the short and stocky Cadians.
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Post by: warboss
BrookM wrote:Cadians and Elysians are not compatible. Elysians are slim, tall pretty folk compared to the short and stocky Cadians.
but cadians have pretty purple and blue eyes so ha!
ps. i'll give you one guess which style army i have, flyboy!
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Post by: BrookM
I have both, though that's not something to be proud of around here.
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Post by: Goliath
Warwick mentioned in conversation that they were working towards a pheonix lord for the shadow spectres, although he couldn't confirm it, as they hadn't got all the work done.
Also, My photo got put in a rumour roundup!! 
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Post by: Druidic
Ooooh, may have to dig out the cold weather gear mould I did a few years ago. Cadians with fur lined hoods and scarved heads anyone :-)
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Post by: btemple0
Better remove the summer air from my land raider and add some winter air, if there are gonna be some new "cold weather nvironments".
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Post by: aurelion
This will possible be the first IA book I will buy. I am excited about the Eldar stuff 
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Post by: Sageheart
i love the idea of winter stuff, may have to get some!
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Post by: Prophecy07
Orlanth wrote:
As for the second aspect we might be nearing the end of the fifteen year 'wait' for Swirling Orbs of Xandos, the only named aspect from the old material not put into production.
Though it's not from the old material, there is one more named Aspect that has been mentioned in GW fluff.
Path of the Warrior (the newish Eldar book) mentioned "Crystal Dragons" at the meeting of the Exarchs about 2/3's of the way through. Actually, it mentioned many, many more, but the Crystal Dragons were the only ones named.
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Post by: Manchu
Most exciting part is the cold weather upgrade.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Alpharius wrote:Doubtful, as Elysians are actually the 'right' scale while Cadians are mutated, bighanded, 'heroic' scaled weirdos!
FW Cadians are the 'right' scale as well, which is a really big problem on their conversion kits (like the Shotgun Veterans).
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Post by: Ouze
I wish they'd do a Xeno-only version of these books. It would be nice to escape space marines for just a little bit.
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Post by: Savnock
Orlanth wrote:
As for the second aspect we might be nearing the end of the fifteen year 'wait' for Swirling Orbs of Xandos, the only named aspect from the old material not put into production. If so what they are is anyones guess, I am thinking on the lines of shield generator equipped troops that act as semi-invulnerable bullet magnets, or even reflectors.
Actually, I think it's _Slicing_ Orbs of Xandros. And there was one mention in some very old fluff about Stalking Panthers and Raging Bulls, iirc. I'll try to find the source during idle time this week. But that's a really great idea for how such an aspect could function.
I repeat my call to the Forgeworld folks, if they read this site or anyone that knows them does:
PLEASE do not put those lovely models (the Phantoms) in the HS slot. Please put them in Fast Attack, a perfectly legitimate spot for jetpack troops. I and many other Eldar players would love to field them, but will not bump a Warwalker or Prism unit to get them in there. Not only would Phantoms in FA balance the list well for players, but we will actually BUY MORE STUFF if the slotting-in of this unit is well though out. Even with those lovely Hornets to buy as well...
On cold-Cadians (aka Canadians): Boy, with FW-produced greatcoats, all you'd have to buy is some russian-looking heads and bango, posable Valhallans. Too bad we don't know of any bitz purveyors with anything like that around, do we?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Ouze wrote:I wish they'd do a Xeno-only version of these books. It would be nice to escape space marines for just a little bit.
They are called Imperial Armour. And the central conceit is that they are a conflict presented from the point of view of the Imperium. And, let's be reasonable here and drop the anti-Marine Internet Hyperbole - the only two IA books where Marines have played a big role have been Badab 1 & 2, and that's about a Marine-centric civil war. The next biggest participation was the Anphelion Project. They're more about the Guard.
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Post by: Ouze
H.B.M.C. wrote:Ouze wrote:I wish they'd do a Xeno-only version of these books. It would be nice to escape space marines for just a little bit.
They are called Imperial Armour. And the central conceit is that they are a conflict presented from the point of view of the Imperium. And, let's be reasonable here and drop the anti-Marine Internet Hyperbole - the only two IA books where Marines have played a big role have been Badab 1 & 2, and that's about a Marine-centric civil war. The next biggest participation was the Anphelion Project. They're more about the Guard.
Yeah, by "version" I meant a different one. A different version - from a Xeno only POV. Obviously that would entail a different title. Tales from the ____ War volume 1 or something.
I agree that there is anti-marine internets hyperbole, but I disagree that it's misplaced, per se. When there are what... 8? 9? different factions, and every release alternates between imperium and "other", then yes, they are oversaturating the market, in my opinion.
They have such a rich universe to pull stuff from, so many things they can flesh out, I wish they'd balance it more.
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Post by: sonofruss
There was one that had just Xenos in it it had ork Eldar and dark Eldar it was an update bit it was a Xenos update.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Ouze wrote:They have such a rich universe to pull stuff from, so many things they can flesh out, I wish they'd balance it more.
They're doing a better job than Vague Workshop and their recent Codex fluff.
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Post by: BrookM
Especially now that they've hired a writing and editing team.
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Post by: Necroagogo
BrookM wrote:Especially now that they've hired a writing and editing team.
Do any of them dabble in proofreading on the side?
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Post by: BrookM
Necroagogo wrote:BrookM wrote:Especially now that they've hired a writing and editing team.
Do any of them dabble in proofreading on the side?
Nnnnnnnnnnnope. Can't win 'em all, this is still FW.
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Post by: Kroothawk
At FW, they learn the first day how to turn off the MS Word spellchecker
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Post by: Nagashek
johnstewartjohn wrote:Shame about the valhallans, could do with some greatcoats.
WTB Ciaphas Cain Special Character.
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Post by: BrookM
Novel characters should not be found on the tabletop imho, especially not the products of format writing.
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Post by: Savnock
BrookM wrote:Novel characters should not be found on the tabletop imho, especially not the products of format writing.
Whaaa? Why? Fielding Kal Jericho and the Redeemer in your Necromunda gangfights is pure win: The narrative opportunities are endless. Same goes for 40K really: It makes wargmaming morph into storytelling, which adds to the fun. If you're going to play a game like 40K that is riddled with imbalance and pretty unrealistic, it's more fun to err on the side of interesting stories than going the opposite direction for hard-core tactical challenges. IMO I guess, but I really don't see where you're coming from Brook.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Savnock wrote:BrookM wrote:Novel characters should not be found on the tabletop imho, especially not the products of format writing.
Whaaa? Why? Fielding Kal Jericho and the Redeemer in your Necromunda gangfights is pure win: The narrative opportunities are endless. Same goes for 40K really: It makes wargmaming morph into storytelling, which adds to the fun. If you're going to play a game like 40K that is riddled with imbalance and pretty unrealistic, it's more fun to err on the side of interesting stories than going the opposite direction for hard-core tactical challenges. IMO I guess, but I really don't see where you're coming from Brook.
Flip side: How does some one else's character do that anymore than a character you develop yourself? Sorry, I just don't see where you're coming from, either.
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Post by: dienekes96
Ouze wrote:I wish they'd do a Xeno-only version of these books. It would be nice to escape space marines for just a little bit.
Fortunately, this one has the Space Wolves, not Space Marines. So keep the panzie armor and the lame IG bitz, they should just make Space Wolf models for the next 5 IAs.
I want a 6 part IA series focused on Space Wolves whupping every xenos army possible, starting with the Dark Angels.
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Post by: Happygrunt
dienekes96 wrote:Ouze wrote:I wish they'd do a Xeno-only version of these books. It would be nice to escape space marines for just a little bit.
Fortunately, this one has the Space Wolves, not Space Marines. So keep the panzie armor and the lame IG bitz, they should just make Space Wolf models for the next 5 IAs.
I want a 6 part IA series focused on Space Wolves whupping every xenos army possible, starting with the Dark Angels.
I loled. Too funny.
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Post by: lucasbuffalo
dienekes96 wrote:Ouze wrote:I wish they'd do a Xeno-only version of these books. It would be nice to escape space marines for just a little bit.
Fortunately, this one has the Space Wolves, not Space Marines. So keep the panzie armor and the lame IG bitz, they should just make Space Wolf models for the next 5 IAs.
I want a 6 part IA series focused on Space Wolves whupping every xenos army possible, starting with the Dark Angels.
My favorite quote so far on Dakka.
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Post by: Alpharius
dienekes96 wrote:Ouze wrote:I wish they'd do a Xeno-only version of these books. It would be nice to escape space marines for just a little bit.
Fortunately, this one has the Space Wolves, not Space Marines. So keep the panzie armor and the lame IG bitz, they should just make Space Wolf models for the next 5 IAs.
I want a 6 part IA series focused on Space Wolves whupping every xenos army possible, starting with the Dark Angels.
dienekes96 FTW - again!
I'm not sure why people are so upset about all the Imperial action in the... IA series - they lose every time! (Or just about!)
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Post by: BrookM
I'm going to cry an awful lot if the Elysians are wiped out for a fourth time, FW hates Elysians something fierce for some reason, the bastards.
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Post by: endtransmission
I'm beginning to think the only way the Elysians will win is if they start a civil war...
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Post by: wyomingfox
dienekes96 wrote:Fortunately, this one has the Space Wolves, not Space Marines. So keep the panzie armor and the lame IG bitz, they should just make Space Wolf models for the next 5 IAs.
I want a 6 part IA series focused on Space Wolves whupping every xenos army possible, starting with the Dark Angels.
It's times like this that I wish Dakka had a "like" button .
It is a shame though that FW won't be coming out with some Thunderwolf Models; maybe there is some hope that we will be seeing some plastic ones by the end of the year. Still, it would have been good for FW to have at least made a Iron Priest astride a Thunderwolf that would have complemented the existing line, since I can't see GW ever making one out of pewter or plastic. Hopefully FW at least comes out with some new fenrisian wolves, as the warhammer ones that we are currently stuck are horribly out of date.
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Post by: Gavin Thorne
I'm pretty sure the other new Aspect Warrior is the Star Eagle, the aspect covering the piloting of vehicles, mentioned in one of the earlier posts covering the FW updates.
Slicing Orbs would be cool, but I think it's nice to leave people guessing what they really are. Also, that's the first I've heard of Stalking Panthers or Raging Bulls being in any of the prior codexes...
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Post by: Alpharius
I'm just hoping we eventually get a Warp Spider Phoenix Lord...
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Post by: Gavin Thorne
You know Alph, with the PL's being lack-lustre the way they are, I'd almost rather see Star Eagles. Having BS 4 Falcons or BS 5 Exarchs in Fire Prisms would be awesome, especially if their exarch powers are along the lines of re-rolling skimmer dodges or a skilled rider type re-roll of dangerous or difficult terrain.
Something a little more, hmm, overpowered? would be a +1-2d6" move while moving Flat Out or the old Crystal Targeting Matrix JSJ silliness. I'd rather not have that, but would imagine speculation would take that route.
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Post by: waaagh!orksrocks
endtransmission wrote:I'm beginning to think the only way the Elysians will win is if they start a civil war...
Unfortunately if that happened the inquisition would be forced to sentence exterminatus, thus wiping out both sides. [/sarcasm]
Bye
Waaagh!
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Post by: Balance
'Hunger' seems like a cool name for a weapon, but pairing it with 'slake' seems weird. Should be either two nouns, or a noun and a verb, unless there's another meaning of Slake I'm unfamiliar with. Maybe 'Hunger' and 'Thirst'
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Post by: puma713
Balance wrote:'Hunger' seems like a cool name for a weapon, but pairing it with 'slake' seems weird. Should be either two nouns, or a noun and a verb, unless there's another meaning of Slake I'm unfamiliar with. Maybe 'Hunger' and 'Thirst'
My post got deleted because Tyberos the Wake (although he's a new release) is a character from IA10, not IA11. But I think Hunger and Slake are a good combo. One claw is Hunger and the other Slakes the thirst for blood, I suppose.
More about that in this thread: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/90/336698.page
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Post by: Kanluwen
BrookM wrote:I'm going to cry an awful lot if the Elysians are wiped out for a fourth time, FW hates Elysians something fierce for some reason, the bastards.
Agreed. I think FW's taking the historical aspect of "Airborne" units for the Elysians a smidge too seriously.
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Post by: BrookM
Balance wrote:'Hunger' seems like a cool name for a weapon, but pairing it with 'slake' seems weird. Should be either two nouns, or a noun and a verb, unless there's another meaning of Slake I'm unfamiliar with. Maybe 'Hunger' and 'Thirst'
I'd rather see "LOVE" & "HATE" written on those knuckles.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Balance wrote:'Hunger' seems like a cool name for a weapon, but pairing it with 'slake' seems weird. Should be either two nouns, or a noun and a verb, unless there's another meaning of Slake I'm unfamiliar with. Maybe 'Hunger' and 'Thirst'
"Slake" is a verb. It means "to allay by satisfying".
But either way, Tyberos is irrelevant to this thread and had a thread devoted to the newsletter in which ,pretty much the only thing in it, was detailing his release.
Moving back on topic:
I want to see the Cadian "foul weather" gear before I move forward on my army any more than I have. May have to redirect my "Titan" fund towards the gear, if it's good enough.
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Post by: Manchu
Kanluwen wrote:I want to see the Cadian "foul weather" gear before I move forward on my army any more than I have. May have to redirect my "Titan" fund towards the gear, if it's good enough.
Replace "Titan" with " SM chapter" and you have my sentiments exactly. Ice Cadians would be like a dream come true.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Alpharius wrote:I'm just hoping we eventually get a Warp Spider Phoenix Lord...
Y'know... I hope we don't. The Phoenix Lords have always struck me as the original founders of the original Aspect Shrines, and that the reason there's no Warp Spider Phoenix Lord is that it was one of the types of Aspect Warriors that was developed later.
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Post by: Manchu
But wasn't there a first Warp Spider? Or are the Phoenix Lords just the ones that Asurmen (the original Asurmen) trained? My Eldar fluff knowledge is subpar . . .
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Post by: Kanluwen
H.B.M.C. wrote:Alpharius wrote:I'm just hoping we eventually get a Warp Spider Phoenix Lord...
Y'know... I hope we don't. The Phoenix Lords have always struck me as the original founders of the original Aspect Shrines, and that the reason there's no Warp Spider Phoenix Lord is that it was one of the types of Aspect Warriors that was developed later.
Funny. They've always just struck me as just Founders of the most "numerous" Aspect Shrines, that are widely accepted and lauded throughout the various Eldar Craftworlds and Maiden Worlds.
I've always figured the rest of the Phoenix Lords and their respective Aspects are still having to gain acceptance or are just recently founded(in terms of an Eldar lifespan that is).
Hell, it's always possible that the founding Phoenix Lords of the lesser known/widespread Aspects are just MIA and noone has found their equipment to take the mantle back up.
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Post by: BrookM
Phoenix Lords wear magical armour of immortality forever and ever and are the original bunch who were taught by Asurman back in the day. The current Striking Scorpion Lord is a bit of an odd duckling though.
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Post by: Kanluwen
BrookM wrote:Phoenix Lords wear magical armour of immortality forever and ever and are the original bunch who were taught by Asurman back in the day. The current Striking Scorpion Lord is a bit of an odd duckling though.
They do? I could have swore there was something in the Eldar fluff about how the Aspects "elected" one of their number to ascend to the position of Phoenix Lord.
Or that may be confusing it with the fluff for the Court of the Young King.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Kanluwen wrote:BrookM wrote:Phoenix Lords wear magical armour of immortality forever and ever and are the original bunch who were taught by Asurman back in the day. The current Striking Scorpion Lord is a bit of an odd duckling though.
They do? I could have swore there was something in the Eldar fluff about how the Aspects "elected" one of their number to ascend to the position of Phoenix Lord.
Or that may be confusing it with the fluff for the Court of the Young King.
You are. The Phoenix Lords themselves choose their next host Exarch body, there isn't a vote.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Good to know.
Even if that is an absurdly weird thing. Is it the Soulstone that does it or what?
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Post by: Platuan4th
Kanluwen wrote:Good to know.
Even if that is an absurdly weird thing. Is it the Soulstone that does it or what?
I think so, but I'd have to find the exact fluff passage(it was regarding Kirandras).
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Post by: BrookM
Read Path of the Warrior, Phoenix Lords are in it and it is explained how they keep on popping up over the millennia.
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Post by: Savnock
Gavin Thorne wrote:Slicing Orbs would be cool, but I think it's nice to leave people guessing what they really are. Also, that's the first I've heard of Stalking Panthers or Raging Bulls being in any of the prior codexes...
Alright, I tracked down the web source that I got those two from, but it seems to be MIA these days- 40K Cantina (I posted about it a long time ago in the middle of this thread: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/169968.page ). But I can't find the original text reference yet. I'm guessing it wasn't in the codices but maybe a WD or one of the old core expansions like Dark Millenium or something.
I'm going to keep looking for the original source, as holes in my memory irk me. It might have been something some private individual made up and I may just be chasing the white rabbit, though.
And I believe it was "Charging Bulls", not Raging Bulls (great movie that was, though). And now something in my mind tells me the other one might have been "Void Panthers". Eegads, getting older does terrible things to one's mental fluff file.
EDIT: Hmmm, the Slicing Orbs come from Codex Eldar 2nd ed., page 23, according to 40KLexicanum. I'm at work and don't have my electronic copies of the old codex here... could anyone with the old books handy take a peek at that page and see whether these other two aspects are mentioned there as well?
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Post by: Scottywan82
H.B.M.C. wrote:Alpharius wrote:I'm just hoping we eventually get a Warp Spider Phoenix Lord...
Y'know... I hope we don't. The Phoenix Lords have always struck me as the original founders of the original Aspect Shrines, and that the reason there's no Warp Spider Phoenix Lord is that it was one of the types of Aspect Warriors that was developed later.
Actually, they are just really powerful Exarchs from the Codex. And I'd love to see a Spider Phoenix Lord myself...
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Post by: Savnock
BrookM wrote:Read Path of the Warrior, Phoenix Lords are in it and it is explained how they keep on popping up over the millennia.
That book should be required reading before anyone is allowed to field an Eldar army. I held off on reading it for quite a while, fearing the Hand of Gav that butchered the 3rd ed. codex and authored the only Last Chancers stuff I'd read. But upon reading "Path", it becomes clear that he has really, really matured as an author. It's one of the best pieces of soft scifi alien-perspective fiction that I've read in a loooong time. Feels like some of the best of 70's scifi, actually.
As for new Phoenix Lords, the PLs are essentially super-exarchs, with concentrated singular personalities rather than the collective mind of a normal Exarch. The canonical ones do have a historical connection as the first of Asurmen's trainees- but that's not necessarily what made them into immortals. If new aspects can come about, so can new Exarchs, with their own mystical armor-inhabiting group soul. It's not that big of a jump from that to a full-blown Phoenix Lord, really.
But aesthetically, it does seem a little silly that _every_ aspect could have a PL. Maybe it takes time and a certain psychic "critical mass" to create the demigod-like intelligence of a PL... sort of like the hinted emergence of Ynnead, god od the Dead from the infinity circuits when they have enough Eldar souls in them. Thus only the more venerable aspects would have PLs. And as some gain that status, the PL emerges.
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Post by: Kanluwen
BrookM wrote:Read Path of the Warrior, Phoenix Lords are in it and it is explained how they keep on popping up over the millennia.
Is definitely on my list, have no fear. Have to work through Purging of Kadillus and some more first though!
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Post by: Death By Monkeys
Savnock wrote:That book should be required reading before anyone is allowed to field an Eldar army. I held off on reading it for quite a while, fearing the Hand of Gav that butchered the 3rd ed. codex and authored the only Last Chancers stuff I'd read. But upon reading "Path", it becomes clear that he has really, really matured as an author. It's one of the best pieces of soft scifi alien-perspective fiction that I've read in a loooong time. Feels like some of the best of 70's scifi, actually.
I appreciate hearing this perspective. I've actually been avoiding all material Gav Thorpe-related for exactly these reasons. That and when asked about his work on the codex, he came off as a total prat. But after hearing this, I think I may have to take a look into his newer stuff. Thanks, Savnock!
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Post by: Manchu
Kanluwen wrote:BrookM wrote:Read Path of the Warrior, Phoenix Lords are in it and it is explained how they keep on popping up over the millennia.
Is definitely on my list, have no fear. Have to work through Purging of Kadillus and some more first though!
You will LOVE it. Proves what you've said about Gav Thorpe of late. Now if only Graham McNeill could keep his stuff at Storm of Iron level . . .
About the Phoenix Lords: so am I missing something here about their immorality. I thought it was just adopting the Phoenix Lord persona but you meld souls? Cool.
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Post by: Reecius
Storm of Iron was killer.
I'll have to read Path of the Warrior. I love Eldar fluff and play Eldar so I'll pick it up.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Manchu wrote:Kanluwen wrote:BrookM wrote:Read Path of the Warrior, Phoenix Lords are in it and it is explained how they keep on popping up over the millennia.
Is definitely on my list, have no fear. Have to work through Purging of Kadillus and some more first though!
You will LOVE it. Proves what you've said about Gav Thorpe of late. Now if only Graham McNeill could keep his stuff at Storm of Iron level . . .
About the Phoenix Lords: so am I missing something here about their immorality. I thought it was just adopting the Phoenix Lord persona but you meld souls? Cool.
Is it better than "Shadow King"? If so: it goes on my immediate read list 
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Post by: Manchu
Wish I could tell you but ye Olde World has never managed to captivate my imagination!
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Post by: Savnock
Manchu wrote:About the Phoenix Lords: so am I missing something here about their immorality. I thought it was just adopting the Phoenix Lord persona but you meld souls? Cool.
Wait, you've read Path, right? It's related in there. But let's not spoil the book for those who haven't read it yet.
So, can anyone compare Gav's WHFB elf books to Path? Are The Sundering, Witch King, etc. this good? He really got into the elven mind in path. Is that approach taken in the fantasy books too?
And back on the original topic, has anyone here seen the pilot models for the Hornet, etc. up close? Wondering if there's anything different about them...
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Post by: BrookM
Personally I feel that the Sundering novels are on the same level as Path of the Warrior. They are really that good.
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Post by: Just Dave
Yeah. I would say Path of the Warrior was definitely very good, but I really would say its a near-must for any Eldar fans.
Not so much if you're not an Eldar fan IMHO...
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Post by: BrookM
I'm not an Eldar fan but still enjoyed it an awful lot, mainly because it was fluffy, oh sorry, Gav doesn't like that word, I mean, so full of interesting background. And it hardly used the word Mon'Keigh thankfully.
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Post by: Manchu
Genius!
And I thought these things . . . smelled bad . . . on the outside.
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Post by: Savnock
Nathonicus is already on it, and might be selling them through Troll Forged. I know this thread is way out of date, but it's the latest I could find (they are pretty much done now, I think): http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/229432.page
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Post by: Kroothawk
Several Hoth warriors including Tonton and turret have been available for Star Wars Miniatures, now OOP.
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Post by: MajorTom11
Phoenix Lords, according to Path of the Warrior, are unlike Exarchs in that they don't bond with the host and combine consciousness. At least not in the Exarch way. Becoming an exarch makes you a drop in a small cup. Becoming a Phoenix Lord makes you a drop in an Ocean, which is 99.99999999% made up of the conciousness of the original Phoenix Lord. You are effectively dead at that point, whereas the Exarch is more like becoming part of a very small infinity circuit.
Does the analogy make sense?
According to the book too, the entire Karrandras suit seemed to function like a giant soulstone, as there was swirling energy visible inside the suit itself when it got clocked by the enemy.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
That's really cool. And it's also probably why every Aspect Shrine and their dog shouldn't have a Phoenix Lord.
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Post by: Temujin
In a sense there are three tiers of phoenix lords, and depending on your outlook you might not refer to all of them as true phoenix lords.
Even relatively new aspects must presumably have a founder who might reasonably be regarded as a phoenix lord by their followers. Once the founder dies another warrior would don their armour, but the personality of the new 'phoenix lord' would differ in much the same way as any exarch, so in this way they don't function in the same way as the established phoenix lords.
Once the aspect has been around for a long enough time the accumulated spirit contained in the founder's armour would be so overwhelming to the new owner that it would essentially take over, and the phoenix lord's personality would persist no matter how many times they died.
The final tier of phoenix lords are those that were around when Asurmen founded the aspects. If this is your criteria for phoenix lord-hood then there can be no more phoenix lords than those we know, and furthermore Karandras cannot be regarded as a phoenix lord since he wasn't among them. It seems much more reasonable to me to at least give the second tier of founding exarchs, as well as Karandras (since his personality has reached the same persistent state) the honour of being referred to as phoenix lords, but at the end of the day it's just a name.
On the other hand I can certainly see the advantages of keeping us in the dark about some of the phoenix lords/founding exarchs, since it gives players the chance to create their own background outside of the established lore. In that case though it would be nice if we were given more to work with in the codex.
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Post by: Savnock
MajorTom11 wrote:Phoenix Lords, according to Path of the Warrior, are unlike Exarchs in that...
Dude, several of us were trying not to spoilercize this fact for the many folks in the thread that just stated they had not read Path yet but really wanted to. Might you be so kind as to edit with the spoiler button please? I know it helps me a lot in, say, BL threads. Thanks.
What you say about PLs versus Exarchs is certainly true, but Temujin's theory also kind of follows and is what I was envisioning as well. The PLs had to get superawesomeimmortality somehow, and it was probably through a similar evolution. Thus the difference between PL and Exarch, a matter of degree, might be crossed.
Sure, the time of the Fall could have been different and the psychic potential of the Eldar greater as well as reality thinner. Or maybe contact with Asurmen, who may have some deific qualities, was the thing that made PLs super awesome all of a sudden. but continua are more interesting IMO and the possibility of new players in the story is pretty cool. Super-Warp-Spider? Awesome.
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Post by: Just Dave
Savnock, you'd need you spoilerise your quote too in that case...
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I want to see the ice imperial guard
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Temujin wrote:In a sense there are three tiers of phoenix lords, and depending on your outlook you might not refer to all of them as true phoenix lords.
Even relatively new aspects must presumably have a founder who might reasonably be regarded as a phoenix lord by their followers. Once the founder dies another warrior would don their armour, but the personality of the new 'phoenix lord' would differ in much the same way as any exarch, so in this way they don't function in the same way as the established phoenix lords.
Once the aspect has been around for a long enough time the accumulated spirit contained in the founder's armour would be so overwhelming to the new owner that it would essentially take over, and the phoenix lord's personality would persist no matter how many times they died.
The final tier of phoenix lords are those that were around when Asurmen founded the aspects. If this is your criteria for phoenix lord-hood then there can be no more phoenix lords than those we know, and furthermore Karandras cannot be regarded as a phoenix lord since he wasn't among them. It seems much more reasonable to me to at least give the second tier of founding exarchs, as well as Karandras (since his personality has reached the same persistent state) the honour of being referred to as phoenix lords, but at the end of the day it's just a name.
On the other hand I can certainly see the advantages of keeping us in the dark about some of the phoenix lords/founding exarchs, since it gives players the chance to create their own background outside of the established lore. In that case though it would be nice if we were given more to work with in the codex.
That is the clearest I've ever seen Phoenix Lords explained. Thanks and you should post more!
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Post by: Savnock
Just Dave wrote:Savnock, you'd need you spoilerise your quote too in that case...
Uhm, good point. Doing so now.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Savnock wrote:
Dude, several of us were trying not to spoilercize this fact for the many folks in the thread that just stated they had not read Path yet but really wanted to. Might you be so kind as to edit with the spoiler button please? I know it helps me a lot in, say, BL threads. Thanks.
Not really a spoiler, though, since that's pretty much how the fluff in the 2nd ed Codex states it is, too. It's not really a great secret unless you're new to the hobby.
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Post by: Kanluwen
All I know is I hope they do a full line of these "cold weather" Cadians. Kneeling heavy weapon crews, snipers, commanders, Kasrkin, everything.
My Titan fund would be broken open so fast it would be wondering what the hell just happened.
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Post by: BrookM
Chances are just conversion packs, not full kits.
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Post by: TyraelVladinhurst
BrookM wrote:Chances are just conversion packs, not full kits.
never know with forgeworld though, could be full kits might just be conversion. hard to tell at this point
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Post by: BrookM
Seeing as we're dealing with Cadians, I'm going with conversion packs, which are quicker to do, not that hard to mess up (though this is FW..) and cheaper than full on resin squads. I'm sure we'll get conversion packs for infantry squads, maybe a pack for weapon crews and the odd full resin model, maybe a special character or another Cadian command squad, only this time in cold weather gear.
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Post by: wolfpack
ok so is there any more news in this area or is this thread just going to keep going off topic with everyones opinions and wants lists?
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Post by: MajorTom11
Look, at least it is going off topic civilly and people are having pretty interesting discussions and it hasn't devolved into people gakking in their own hands and flinging it back and forth.
In this case, closing it wouldn't serve much as people would open a new thread within 24 hrs asking about IA11 rumors lol!
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Post by: Savnock
Kanluwen wrote:My Titan fund would be broken open so fast it would be wondering what the hell just happened.
Glad to hear someone else has a Forgeworld fund. It's always entertaining explaining to a new girlfriend exactly what the "Titan Fund" is, what it is for, and why it cannot be used to fund a Hawaiian vacation. Makes an excellent test for dork tolerance.
Back on-topic (or at least closer to it), does anyone happen to know of a particularly good online retailer for those Star Wars minis? Some of those turrets are gonna have to go into any decent winter soldiers display.
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Post by: Kanluwen
BrookM wrote:Chances are just conversion packs, not full kits.
Oh, that I'm well aware of. I'm guessing it will likely be the route they took with the Hardened Veterans with Shotguns(y'know: the parts are resin, and they attach to the standard plastic bits).
But it can't stop me from hoping they'll do some cold-weather geared Kasrkin or kneeling legs for heavy weapons teams, now can it?
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Post by: BrookM
Weapon crews yes, Kasrkin are iffy, as they would be forced to do whole new models from the ground up. And seeing as this is an Eldar book, most of the love will go to them.
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Post by: Kanluwen
I don't know if "most of the love" will go to them, but definitely a large portion of it
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Post by: BrookM
It's a theme with the scenario driven IA books really. One force gets a massive amount of love, the others not so much. Imperials won't be getting as much as the cone-headed china dolls. A big tank, two or three Cadian conversion packs, a few resin characters for the Wolves and maybe Cadians, that's it.
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Post by: Manchu
A conversion kit is best for everyone. Look at the Tallarn stuff -- beautiful HW teams and Rough Riders but what am I going to do, put those next to the junk infantry squad GW sells? Better to have something I can put on every Guardsmen in the current Cadian lineup, which is pretty good looking as is. I'm having trouble, however, imaging a conversion kit that will give them a compellingly different look. Any ideas? I'm hoping for something less obvious than fur-trimmed hoods and goggles, a la Han on Hoth.
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Post by: Kanluwen
So far, everything seems to point towards it being sets of ' longcoat legs' that mesh up with the Cadian torsos(which have the whole field jacket setup visible under the flak armor).
So I'd guess they'll likely look similar to the Allied miniatures for Dust: Tactics/the NCR Veteran Rangers with the duster pulled closed.
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Post by: wulfhund
Temujin wrote:In a sense there are three tiers of phoenix lords, and depending on your outlook you might not refer to all of them as true phoenix lords.
Even relatively new aspects must presumably have a founder who might reasonably be regarded as a phoenix lord by their followers. Once the founder dies another warrior would don their armour, but the personality of the new 'phoenix lord' would differ in much the same way as any exarch, so in this way they don't function in the same way as the established phoenix lords.
Once the aspect has been around for a long enough time the accumulated spirit contained in the founder's armour would be so overwhelming to the new owner that it would essentially take over, and the phoenix lord's personality would persist no matter how many times they died.
The final tier of phoenix lords are those that were around when Asurmen founded the aspects. If this is your criteria for phoenix lord-hood then there can be no more phoenix lords than those we know, and furthermore Karandras cannot be regarded as a phoenix lord since he wasn't among them. It seems much more reasonable to me to at least give the second tier of founding exarchs, as well as Karandras (since his personality has reached the same persistent state) the honour of being referred to as phoenix lords, but at the end of the day it's just a name.
On the other hand I can certainly see the advantages of keeping us in the dark about some of the phoenix lords/founding exarchs, since it gives players the chance to create their own background outside of the established lore. In that case though it would be nice if we were given more to work with in the codex.
Interesting point of view, wondering if you subscribe to the idea that Drazhar is Arhra. If that is so, then I am less sure that Phoenix Lords are necessarily Founders insomuch as the aspect's avatar as it were (that would technically make Incubi a fallen aspect which seems to fit their stats).
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Post by: Temujin
wulfhund wrote:Interesting point of view, wondering if you subscribe to the idea that Drazhar is Arhra. If that is so, then I am less sure that Phoenix Lords are necessarily Founders insomuch as the aspect's avatar as it were (that would technically make Incubi a fallen aspect which seems to fit their stats).
I think the canon answer is that he probably is but we're not supposed to say it out loud. If my interpretation is correct then it's certainly true that an exarch that's been around long enough would function in much the same way as a Phoenix Lord. But the founder is by definition the one that's been around longest and has acheived the greatest measure of immortality. Although not a founder, this can also said to be true for Karandras, since he's the longest lived exarch of his aspect that's still around. As for the Incubi, I think we can fairly consider them the followers of a fallen Phoenix Lord, but not a fallen aspect as such since the Striking Scorpions are still around. As I understand it the Incubi themselves are Dark Eldar, which rules out some of the quirks we associate with aspect warriors, but in many other ways they follow the path of the aspect warrior very closely.
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Post by: wolfpack
One last thing to say...
would like to see them show some proper love to my lads...
That is all I have to say on that
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Post by: Kanluwen
I'd not hold my breath on Forge World producing too much for the Wolves of Fenris.
There's just not that much for them to produce without stepping on GW's toes. Maybe Thunderwolf Cavalry or a Wolf Lord that could double as Logan Grimnar, things like that. But the plastics cover pretty much everything as is.
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Post by: Just Dave
Yeah, only the TWC don't really have a model or suitable representation but everything else is covered and I'd say it's time GW moved on from the Wolves and Blood Angels. Model-wise at least...
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Post by: crimsonmicc
It looks as though there will be "eldar coursairs" included:
Heavy Support: A Warp Hunter is a Heavy Support choice for an Eldar army and an Eldar Corsairs army.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/W/Warp-Hunter.pdf
Personally im hoping for some ritualistic eating of space wolves to summon a ghost of Khaine.
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Post by: Mr Mystery
NYARRRGH! WARPHUNTER!!!!
EPICGASM!
And I don't even like Eldar!
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Post by: Dysartes
BrookM wrote: the cone-headed china dolls.
Best. Eldar. Description. EVER!
And even as a non-Eldar player, seeing the Warp Hunter in 40k is pretty awesome.
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Post by: Kanluwen
crimsonmicc wrote:It looks as though there will be "eldar coursairs" included:
Heavy Support: A Warp Hunter is a Heavy Support choice for an Eldar army and an Eldar Corsairs army.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/W/Warp-Hunter.pdf
Personally im hoping for some ritualistic eating of space wolves to summon a ghost of Khaine.
I'm fairly certain "ritualistic eating" of any enemy has never been a part of summoning Khaine.
Bloodletting, yes. Sacrifices, yes.
But I'm pretty sure Khaine would ignore you if you start eating people.
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Post by: Goliath
MODELSS!!!!! AND WARHAMMER FORGE!!!
Shadow Spectres
Warp Hunter
Forge World wrote:
Hi There,
This Newsletter contains some fantastic news for Eldar players with two releases available to pre-order now. We also have two previously unseen Badab War scenarios for you to download, and news of our first three Events for 2011- AdeptiCon in Chicago, the Forge World Open Day here in Nottingham and Salute in London.
Thanks,
Ead Brown
Eldar New Releases Available to Pre-Order Now:
Shadow Spectres Aspect Warrior Squad
Disguised behind shimmering holo-fields, draped with gossamer-thin robes and appearing like ghosts, the Shadow Spectres are armed with prism rifles, each a potent anti-tank weapon. Their jet pack mobility allows them to hunt down their chosen targets with the implacable patience of the dead, materialising seemingly from the very air to unleash their overwhelming firepower.
Believed long lost by the Eldar’s Seers, this detailed full resin kit, sculpted by Simon Egan, contains 5 of these mysterious and deadly Aspect Warriors.
Experimental rules for the Shadow Spectres Aspect Warriors are available to download from the Forge World website, taken from the desk of Imperial Armour writer Warwick Kinrade.
The full story of the discovery of the Shadow Spectres will be featured in Imperial Armour Volume 11: The Doom of Mymeara, released later this year.
Warp Hunter Grav Tank
The Warp Hunter, perhaps the rarest of Eldar tanks, sacrifices the transport capacity of the Falcon chassis to mount the terrifying firepower of a large D-Cannon, a weapon capable of tearing open the very fabric of reality and engulfing its target in the dark energies of the Warp.
This complete resin and plastic kit, sculpted by Stuart Williamson, adds additional mobile heavy firepower to an Eldar army.
The Warp Hunter will be fully detailed in the forthcoming Imperial Armour Volume 11: The Doom of Mymeara, but in advance of this we’ve managed to secure experimental rules for the Warp Hunter from Warwick Kinrade’s manuscript as a free download.
Both the Shadow Spectres Aspect Warrior Squad and the Warp Hunter Grav Tank are available to pre-order now for despatch in the week commencing the 24th of January.
Additional Badab War Content Available to Download Now
After the impressive response to the additional Badab War material from our last newsletter, this week we’ve added another two scenarios that you can download here and here. To get the most out of these scenarios will require Imperial Armour Volume 9 and Imperial Armour Volume 10, as each provides a unique tactical challenge based on some of the major engagements in this most bloody conflict.
Warhammer Forge
As you may have noticed, the Warhammer section of the Forge World website has altered slightly in anticipation of the imminent launch of Warhammer Forge. We’re excited to announce that the very next Newsletter you receive will feature the first Warhammer Forge releases, which will be sent out alongside our usual Forge World newsletters so you don’t have to worry about signing up again. Stay tuned for more in the not-too-distant future…
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh My God those shadow spectres are gorgeous.
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Post by: Alpharius
Hard to manage, I'll agree.
Everything SHOULD be in here, but in the rush to provide 'news', people often don't look around to see if it was already posted or if there's a better place for it...
This thread is the 'home' of IA 11 rumors and discussion, so most likely the other thread will eventually die out or be closed up.
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Post by: nathonicus
Indeed I am, and indeed they will be. That thread is no longer out of date, as it is updated with shiny resin goodness, courtesy of Troll Forged. Cheers for the mention, Savnock.
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Post by: FM Ninja 048
Manchu wrote:A conversion kit is best for everyone. Look at the Tallarn stuff -- beautiful HW teams and Rough Riders but what am I going to do, put those next to the junk infantry squad GW sells? Better to have something I can put on every Guardsmen in the current Cadian lineup, which is pretty good looking as is. I'm having trouble, however, imaging a conversion kit that will give them a compellingly different look. Any ideas? I'm hoping for something less obvious than fur-trimmed hoods and goggles, a la Han on Hoth.
Fur hats, some sort of cloak, googles, Backpacks, greatcoat legs, facemasks, snowshoes and hopefully some winter themed scenery or winter vehicle upgrades I would hope for Tauntauns and hoth styled turrets but that's a bit of a stretch
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