Incoming: Grey Knights
— Article by Adam Troke


As the Emperor prepared for his final confrontation with the traitor Horus, he granted one final gift to Mankind, a safeguard and protection against the horrors of the Warp - the Grey Knights. A brotherhood of warriors as elite as they are secretive, the Grey Knights are a shining line of silvered steel that stands between humanity and the Daemons of Chaos.

Trained as the mightiest paragons of mental fortitude and martial discipline in the Imperium, the Grey Knights maintain a vigilant watch for daemonic incursion, responding wrathfully against the scions of the Dark Gods, and those who dally with them.

Clad in baroque Terminator armour and wielding powerful weapons such as storm bolters and Nemesis force weapons, the Grey Knights tear through the enemy, unleashing an onslaught of psychic powers and sorcery to sunder the foe.

The Grey Knights are an unstoppable force, the manifestation of the Emperor's will, valiant warriors who willingly sacrifice their own humanity so that Mankind itself can endure.

This April Games Workshop releases Codex: Grey Knights, alongside a comprehensive range of fantastically detailed Citadel miniatures. Although details are being kept firmly under wraps for now, you can expect an exciting selection of plastic kits to enable you to build your own Grey Knights army.

Over the coming weeks we'll be releasing more details both here on the Games Workshop website and also in the pages of White Dwarf - to ensure you're the first to get the news, make sure you subscribe to the Games Workshop newsletter and keep an eye on the What's New Today blog.

Article can be found here: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=14300088a

Too little, too late. With the Anima Tactics team that I just ordered yesterday and the Raging Heroes Manticore that I'll be working on soon after, I won't have the time to get too excited about the new Grey Knights codex and models. I might end up buying the codex and one or two characters to augment what I already have, but other then that, GW have pretty much lost me on this one.

It's a shame too, if they were to reveal something even a week earlier, they would have had me all in for the new release too.

Oh I really hope that they aren't shooting for an April 1st release.

The Games Workshop Department of Overzealous, Unnecessary and Ultimately Pointless Secrecy (GW-DOUUPS) wrote:Although details are being kept firmly under wraps for now...

... for no readily apparent reason.

Awesome, I'll never play them but its cool to have some confirmation At least knowing they are set for April gives us a better idea of when the other releases might come

April 2nd actually.

edit.

Anyway, this announcement is pretty bland and doesn't do anything to generate any interest in me. Hang on, no wait, not at all.

You know what would've been a really cool announcement - showing off some preview miniatures. But then GW would have to be a miniatures company before they could do that.

Wait...

H.B.M.C. wrote:You know what would've been a really cool announcement - showing off some preview miniatures. But then GW would have to be a miniatures company before they could do that.

Wait...

But that would interfere with sales of Dark Eldar!

What annoys me...(and i'm sure many many others) is these 'non-news' articles/emails......

their are already strong rumours, from fairly reliable guys on forums (which i'm sure GW know...) saying they will be out in March/April (think most recent ones i read said April...). So GW decided to send out on message, saying they will be coming out in 2 1/2 months time, with no preview...One pic of any new model would be nice, but no. So then we have to wait 1 1/2 months before we even see the models, then another month before we can buy......... Fail GW I'm sure many people could run that company better

rodgers37 wrote:Fail GW I'm sure many people could run that company better

I'm sure that a blindfolded monkey with a stapler jammed up his ass could run the company better, but what exactly are you getting at?

They need to bring back those previews they had back in the day. Where they would just show you a picture of the new model(s) and a description to go with it, like this classic:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

The Games Workshop Department of Overzealous, Unnecessary and Ultimately Pointless Secrecy (GW-DOUUPS) wrote:Although details are being kept firmly under wraps for now...

... for no readily apparent reason.

That's exactly what I thought.

Awesome, can't wait for them to come out.

Not to hop on the bandwagon, but seriously GW? Not to compare, but look what PP just did for Wrath? Not that the Khador thing isn't just damned silly-looking, but at least we saw something! Would it have really diminished the release had they thrown a teaser model into this? Seriously.

*6 year old girl voice* EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm a touch excited.

Some sandy PLEASE EXPRESS YOURSELF IN A MANNER SUITABLE FOR POLITE COMPANY in here already...seriously people get a grip. For months people have been crying for some firm information about GK, now that there is something its not enough for you.

Folks should be happy about 2 things:

1) a date has finally been announced.

2) its not at the end of the year as many were starting to fear.

Its not LANGUAGE, PEOPLE, just a lot of other companies lead off with at least a preview to entice us as players. Why GW doesn't befuddles myself and others. It isn't that I am not happy that we have a definite date, because now I can wait and see what April brings to the table before I commit to another 40K project. So, happy, just disappointed.

BrookM wrote:They need to bring back those previews they had back in the day. Where they would just show you a picture of the new model(s) and a description to go with it, like this classic:

Guess we have to live with the North Korean trained PR and anti-marketing guys for a while
Poor creative staff who has to live under that restrictive regime!
Poor stock holders who have to endure declining sales and customer numbers!

Anyway, nice to see Grey Knights coming in April!

Looks like stickmonkey was wrong on this one:

My sources are saying GK may be much later this year. Sources say that because the DE release was so successful, that's why we are seeing a shuffling to get more DE models out sooner. More a financial decision than production from what I'm hearing. Hope it's not true.

So that's the only pretty picture in the "Incoming!" article? (My comp won't load up the page for some stupid reason)

I am disappoint. Especially since I have to wait through two of my least favorite months of the year.

I mean, official confirmation is nice... but...

This is almost as bland as one of their "We have a secret announcement! Stay tuned to hear what it is!"

Mad4Minis wrote:Some sandy LANGUAGE in here already...seriously people get a grip. For months people have been crying for some firm information about GK, now that there is something its not enough for you.

Folks should be happy about 2 things:

1) a date has finally been announced.

2) its not at the end of the year as many were starting to fear.

Are you kidding? I don't owe GW anything. As a company, it's their job to impress me. And with this announcement, they havn't even come close.

I will not allow myself to be satisfied with mediocrity. As a consumer, I deserve better, or GW simply doesn't deserve my money.

Don't care if we don't have any preview.
Don't care if GW has poor marketing strategies.
Don't care if we have to wait 2 1/2 months.

The Grey Knights are finally on their way!

Its good to get some confirmation on the release. As to those who think they would spill everything in one article, the opposite would happen if they had.... people would be whining as every week passes between now and April that they are not getting more information. Now GW can trickle out information until release keeping people spun up.

My main concern -as a Dark Eldar player - is, does this mean pushing back my Venom kit? NOOOOO!!!!

Doomgrin wrote:As to those who think they would spill everything in one article...

'Cept no one said that.

Beat down straw men in another thread.

A confirmation is fine and dandy, but a preview is always nice. Who is writing it by the way?

Scottywan82 wrote:My main concern -as a Dark Eldar player - is, does this mean pushing back my Venom kit? NOOOOO!!!!

Not sure about the venom kit in particular, but my guess is that the new wave next month is why it is in April.

BrookM wrote:A confirmation is fine and dandy, but a preview is always nice. Who is writing it by the way?

Let's hope it's Matt Ward.

If us Inquisitorial players have to lose our armies, the least we can get is payback via a Wardish nonsense Codex.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Doomgrin wrote:As to those who think they would spill everything in one article...

'Cept no one said that.

Beat down straw men in another thread.

This one already has enough self-entitlement whiners.

Some people are never happy.

Pleased to hear the GK are finally confirmed, this news is going to keep me checking the GW site for more updates. So from that point of view the marketing has worked a treat.

I said i will avoid a SM army if i can, however GK has changed all that and my project for 2012 will be these i'm sure.

Doomgrin wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:My main concern -as a Dark Eldar player - is, does this mean pushing back my Venom kit? NOOOOO!!!!

Not sure about the venom kit in particular, but my guess is that the new wave next month is why it is in April.

Wait, so February is when the next DE wave is out? Maybe I missed that somewhere. I heard April a few threads ago...


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Doomgrin wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Doomgrin wrote:As to those who think they would spill everything in one article...

'Cept no one said that.

Beat down straw men in another thread.

This one already has enough self-entitlement whiners.

Seriously, if you want flowers and joy when GW puts out a non-release notice, I'd suggest Warseer. We don't exactly CLEAN IT UP, FOLKS GW here. Instead we remember we're CUSTOMERS. And as such can demand things of the companies competing for our cash.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

BrookM wrote:A confirmation is fine and dandy, but a preview is always nice. Who is writing it by the way?

Let's hope it's Matt Ward.

If us Inquisitorial players have to lose our armies, the least we can get is payback via a Wardish nonsense Codex.

So soon Mary Sues will come in blue and silver? Oh lordy.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Let's hope it's Matt Ward.

As far as we know, it's Cruddace.

If us Inquisitorial players have to lose our armies, the least we can get is payback via a Wardish nonsense Codex.

Now who's being petty?

Scottywan82 wrote:Seriously, if you want flowers and joy when GW puts out a non-release notice, I'd suggest Warseer. We don't exactly bend over and lube ourselves up for GW here. Instead we remember we're CUSTOMERS. And as such can demand things of the companies competing for our cash.

Demand all you want of a company, what you are going to get is an (effective) marketing strategy as this topic is already getting a viral distribution across every board and spinning up discussions.

A company owes us nothing. What they put out in terms of advertising is based on company self-interest in accordance with their marketing strategy.

Doomgrin wrote:(effective) marketing strategy

BrookM wrote:

Doomgrin wrote:(effective) marketing strategy

Two pages of talk on just a simple announcement and the sun has not even come up on all of the US... your right, not effective at all. You do not have to like an advertisement for it to be effective. Simply continuing the conversation has the viral effect desired. Every time GW now trickles something out people will be all over that and January's release notice article will be ancient history and forgotten other than as a reference on an official date for new people that join the information threads late.

Happy they're being released, can't say the wait or lack of previews will dampen my spirits!

Finally, some 3+ storm shields!

I don't care so much that they haven't released any model pics or anything alongside it...
I'm just pleased to hear Grey Knights are incoming.


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Doomgrin wrote:

Two pages of talk on just a simple announcement and the sun has not even come up on all of the US... your right, not effective at all. You do not have to like an advertisement for it to be effective. Simply continuing the conversation has the viral effect desired. Every time GW now trickles something out people will be all over that and January's release notice article will be ancient history and forgotten other than as a reference on an official date for new people that join the information threads late.

Two pages on how dumb this non-announcement is. NOT two pages of OMG!! MUZT HAVE IT ALL!!!

So not effective, no.

M'Kachen's Nemesis wrote:Don't care if we don't have any preview.
Don't care if GW has poor marketing strategies.
Don't care if we have to wait 2 1/2 months.

The Grey Knights are finally on their way!

That's the spirit!

AlexHolker wrote:As far as we know, it's Cruddace.

Oh good. His previous Codices have been so inter... es... tin... g *zzzzzzzzzzzz*

Sorry, fell asleep there just thinking of the Guard Codex.

Now who's being petty?

Me!

BrookM wrote:They need to bring back those previews they had back in the day. Where they would just show you a picture of the new model(s) and a description to go with it, like this classic:

+1


At least give us a pic of a new model or stop bothering...

Hey, look on the bright side. At least the month's confirmed. Shame it's too late for Adepticon.

Woo confirmation - which they can change if it suits them. Honestly they have cashed in on DE now... so they can just wait forever before putting out the whole mini line.

Is anyone really surprised about this kind of announcement considering what other recent news from GW has been like? Not that it makes it ok, of course....

All things considered, I am glad to get something official on the GK and that they won't be coming out any later.

Thank God its April...gives me time to save up 2-3 paychecks!

I'm gonna have t o say that I'm neither miffed not excited by the announcement. Though I will be picking up the book to read when it comes out.

Mini's are a very visual medium....give me pictures please!

Scottywan82 wrote:
Wait, so February is when the next DE wave is out?

Feb is Blood Angels.

If we can lay off calling each other names and the like, GW's "marketing strategies" ( use of term may not conform to accepted definition) or WTFedness thereof is pretty much a given now.

reds8n wrote:

GW's "marketing strategies" ( use of term may not conform to accepted definition) or WTFedness thereof is pretty much a given now.

Lol my new favorite mod quote!

GW's "marketing strategies" ( use of term may not conform to accepted definition) or WTFedness thereof is pretty much a given now.+1

I have just found my new hero!!!!

Woo!

Of course, this means I have to finish painting my WoC (which includes building 2 Warshrines of Tzeentch) BEFORE April.

Yippe!

H.B.M.C. wrote:

The Games Workshop Department of Overzealous, Unnecessary and Ultimately Pointless Secrecy (GW-DOUUPS) wrote:Although details are being kept firmly under wraps for now...

... for no readily apparent reason.

From your lips to God's ears.

I swear, I don't know how they're still in business.

I mean, we still don't have official pics on the models coming out in February!

I already got 3000-4000 points of models, so fat chance they'll hit my wallet there, but I wanna hear the screams when I field Grey Knights with an up to date Codex. I win with the bastards as it is.

Then again, if some of the rumours of new units are true, I might end up picking those up...because I like lots and lots of Grey Knights.

I gave GW permission to spam my inbox weekly because I was hoping to win some minis from them when Isle of Blood came out. Since I didn't win anything, the net effect had been the equivalent of some guy nudging me in the ribs once a week and saying, "so, ya wanna buy somethin' from me?"

the net effect had been the equivalent of some guy nudging me in the ribs once a week and saying, "so, ya wanna buy somethin' from me?"

Actually, the net effect is knowing reliably what is coming out without having to go on forums and beg for often unreliable information from potentially hostile strangers. Personally, I like getting those emails from GW. Even if the information in them is often sparing, at least what's there is reliable and I'm seeing it pretty much as soon as it's out there.

Well it looks like I'm waiting until April then. At least it's finally confirmed.

Even as a new player I feel a little underwhelmed with that update. I was hoping for a little green next button... but that little button was nowhere to be seen :[

Doomgrin wrote:Demand all you want of a company, what you are going to get is an (effective) marketing strategy as this topic is already getting a viral distribution across every board and spinning up discussions.

By that definition, Razorgor is their most effectively marketed model. Every time there is a "worst-of" list, people are talking about it. Surely this successful viral marketing has lead to massive sales of Razorgor, yes?

i'm waiting for the emails to require the use of super-secret decoder rings.

and i'm looking forward to some termys that will be blingy enough for my blood angels

ChiliPowderKeg wrote:So that's the only pretty picture in the "Incoming!" article? (My comp won't load up the page for some stupid reason)

I am disappoint. Especially since I have to wait through two of my least favorite months of the year.

Black History Month?

Hmm. Grey Knights.

While I do think that Grey Knights are due to be redone, as they have not had a new codex in about 7 years - 5th Edition only has 6 codexes, and only two of them (Tyranids and Dark Eldar) are non Imperial. Out of the 6 released codexes, three of them are Space Marines... (Vanilla Space Marines, Viking Space Marines and Vampire Space Marines)...

Doing Grey Knights now would put the number of power-armor v5 codexes to 4/7 and the Imperial codexes at 5/7. I think the Xenos badly need some love! Necrons is currently the oldest codex at 8 years, now that Dark Eldar has been redone. On an aside, IMHO, since GW insists on the Eldar codex being a huge mass of special rules and exceptions to core rules - this codex should be redone within the first four books EVERY edition, since even minor tweaks to the core rules has a tendency to invalidate what tenuous balance was there to begin with.

Out of the 6 released codexes, three of them are Space Marines

And not coincidentally, Space Marines of one kind or another are the best selling model range(s) and GW is a publicly traded for-profit corporation. Funny how that works. But seriously, how many times are forum users going to point out that Space Marines get more production resources than other model ranges? We know, we know. Moving right along...

I just wish the Dark Angels or Chaos Marines would get the treatment that the Space Wolves, Codex Marines, Blood Angels and now Grey Knights are going to get! But that won't stop me from collecting some cool new Grey Knights models. By then, my Ork army should be pretty well completed and maybe some other stuff too.

BrassScorpion wrote:

Out of the 6 released codexes, three of them are Space Marines

And not coincidentally, Space Marines of one kind or another are the best selling model range(s) and GW is a publicly traded for-profit corporation. Funny how that works. But seriously, how many times is someone going to point out that Space Marines get more production resources than other model ranges? Moving right along...

Can't blame them. If I wanted/was part of the xenos, I'd be kind of annoyed that I get little attention compared to the Space Marine chapters....luckily, I'm not though

Can't blame them. If I wanted/was part of the xenos, I'd be kind of annoyed that I get little attention compared to the Space Marine chapters.

I have tons of models that aren't Space Marines, as well as tons that are, but I don't waste my time and others complaining about the obvious. Space Marines are popular and get a lot of releases. It's neither news nor rumor. So yes I do blame them. All the world's problems are caused by whining about too many Space Marines releases.

I think anyone that actually cares has a subscription to the GW newsletter. I don't see why this was posted. Meh.

I like the way the GK look but don't think GW should have bothered with them. They're just another SM army with shiny armour. Thats business I guess? Include them in another SM codex.

If GW spent as much time on the non SM armies they would be awesome, the game would be awesome.

Anyway, hope they turn out better then the other SM armies. They're the only SM's I like the look of.

Dang!
It is not Battle Sisters.


...You see, I recently dreamt I saw everyone playing new battle sisters. If they would be released now, I'd consider myself a warhammer prophet.

Saintspirit wrote:Dang!
It is not Battle Sisters.


...You see, I recently dreamt I saw everyone playing new battle sisters. If they would be released now, I'd consider myself a warhammer prophet.

You kidding? I had a dream several months back I was holding the Necron codex. It was ornate looking, beautiful plastic lord kit kit bashed on the inside cover, such wonderful and easily understandable rules and a model for every choice pretty much.

I woke up and I had tears in my eyes. A man can dream...a man can dream.

But yes, kudos to the GK for their long awaited update. Now about those other 3rd ed books needing a desperate update

keezus wrote:Hmm. Grey Knights.

While I do think that Grey Knights are due to be redone, as they have not had a new codex in about 7 years - 5th Edition only has 6 codexes, and only two of them (Tyranids and Dark Eldar) are non Imperial. Out of the 6 released codexes, three of them are Space Marines... (Vanilla Space Marines, Viking Space Marines and Vampire Space Marines)...

Doing Grey Knights now would put the number of power-armor v5 codexes to 4/7 and the Imperial codexes at 5/7. I think the Xenos badly need some love! Necrons is currently the oldest codex at 8 years, now that Dark Eldar has been redone. On an aside, IMHO, since GW insists on the Eldar codex being a huge mass of special rules and exceptions to core rules - this codex should be redone within the first four books EVERY edition, since even minor tweaks to the core rules has a tendency to invalidate what tenuous balance was there to begin with.

So you say that armies should be updated on a "but what about us?" basis, and not a "because it's unusable" basis?

I would argue that they should be updated from a "if it's not broke..." point of view. Not sure if you've ever actually looked at them, but Demonhunters is pretty unusable right now. Most anything that actually pertains to their specialty (hunting daemons) doesn't actually work, and fielding an entire Grey Knight army is all but impossible. Really the only semi competitive build for them I'm aware of is to spam IST in rhinos with meltas/plasma, and even then, the IG do it better for less.

As far as Eldar go, they're not so broken they're unusable. Worst thing I can think of that you have to deal with is that Eldrich Storm scatters. Oh, and that you can lose your passengers moving flat out into terrain. That's a big one for our local Eldar player. I've only actually ran them myself one or twice though, so I wouldn't say I've read over the entire codex. Really if anything, this HELPS you, because this will close the Mystic/Inquisitor loophole and remove one more source of unlimited range Psychic Hoods.

At least the 4th edition Xenos have a chance. I will agree that Necrons need an update though.

OoieGoie wrote:I think anyone that actually cares has a subscription to the GW newsletter. I don't see why this was posted. Meh.

That's not true.

Some people don't like to hear about everything from Games Workshop, so receiving the newsletter
isn't really all that appealing. But we do like the Grey Knights.

Oh yes.

I like how people act surprised when there's no real info when most INCOMING! articles don't even have an estimated release date. Not that I don't wish there were pictures or whatever but it's hardly surprising.

Kurgash wrote:

Saintspirit wrote:Dang!
It is not Battle Sisters.


...You see, I recently dreamt I saw everyone playing new battle sisters. If they would be released now, I'd consider myself a warhammer prophet.

You kidding? I had a dream several months back I was holding the Necron codex. It was ornate looking, beautiful plastic lord kit kit bashed on the inside cover, such wonderful and easily understandable rules and a model for every choice pretty much.

I woke up and I had tears in my eyes. A man can dream...a man can dream.

But yes, kudos to the GK for their long awaited update. Now about those other 3rd ed books needing a desperate update

Sure, but the thing is that my warhammer dreams has came true before. I dreamt once I was putting together plastic juggernauts, only a few days before they were proclaimed!

Scottywan82 wrote:
We don't exactly BUY FLOWERS AND DINNER for GW here. Instead we remember we're CUSTOMERS. And as such can demand things of the companies competing for our cash.

Yakface, can we make this the Dakka motto?

Grey Knights coming!

OK thats great, any details?.... right.

Also announced:

NECRONS coming
TAU
ELDAR too
Dark Angels
Some other codex
40k 6th
Space Marines
40k 7th

Any details? uh right. Non news.

Well, I'm glad to have a date. Lets me know how long I've got to get the other four of my GK termies painted, along with my Dark Eldar forces...

Common Sense Prevails:

Brother SRM wrote:I like how people act surprised when there's no real info when most INCOMING! articles don't even have an estimated release date. Not that I don't wish there were pictures or whatever but it's hardly surprising.

Oh hell yes!

April can't come soon enough!

Also, give GW some slack; yes this could've been handled better, but it's still an improvement over the usual Incoming! stuff.

If we can't have any new model pictures, could we at least have a preview of the Codex cover as a wallpaper or something? even Black Library manages that much.

OK thats great, any details?.... right.

If we can't have any new model pictures, could we at least have a preview of the Codex cover as a wallpaper or something?

Did most of the other "Incoming!" email announcements have any more content than this one? Noooo....so why do complaints about this continue? We all know how these announcements work at this point after many months of receiving them, no use repeating the same complaints every time. At this point my question is, how long does something have to be repeated before Warhammer fans catch on to how it works? Please don't answer, it's a rhetorical question with a very disappointing answer I'm afraid. LOL.

Brass Scorpions pretty much right IMHO.

Yes, we don't like how the system works or that they don't give us any details, but it's arguably still more (and earlier) than the usual Incoming! emails.
Doesn't mean people won't complain though, and there's nothing you can do to stop them Brass.

BrassScorpion wrote:

OK thats great, any details?.... right.

If we can't have any new model pictures, could we at least have a preview of the Codex cover as a wallpaper or something?

Did most of the other "Incoming!" email announcements have any more content than this one? Noooo....so why do complaints about this continue? We all know how these announcements work at this point after many months of receiving them, no use repeating the same complaints every time. At this point my question is, how long does something have to be repeated before Warhammer fans catch on to how it works? Please don't answer, it's a rhetorical question with a very disappointing answer I'm afraid. LOL.

The point is they post Incoming! articles with a little bit of fluff and no substance, at least this time they gave a date but there is this magical thing called "Marketing" and many people think that it would help their "Marketing" if they at least previewed one model to get people excited about it

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there hasn't been an 'Incoming' for the Orks and Gobbo's yet, but they're expected to be arriving earlier than Grey Knights? That seems a bit odd to me...
Also, 3 months is much earlier than GW usually reveals the incoming goodies IMO.
What gives?

40k is higher in the pecking order than fantasy around Nottingham.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:
We don't exactly BUY FLOWERS AND WEAR COLOGNE for GW here. Instead we remember we're CUSTOMERS. And as such can demand things of the companies competing for our cash.

Yakface, can we make this the Dakka motto?

+1

BrassScorpion wrote:

Out of the 6 released codexes, three of them are Space Marines

And not coincidentally, Space Marines of one kind or another are the best selling model range(s) and GW is a publicly traded for-profit corporation. Funny how that works. But seriously, how many times are forum users going to point out that Space Marines get more production resources than other model ranges? We know, we know. Moving right along...

If there were 15 factions of Tau, and each one of them had an army book updated before anyone else for the last 3 editions of the game, and each was more flavorful and potent than the last... then Tau would be "the most popular army." This notion of "GW supports what is popular" goes the other way as well. GW support MAKES things popular.

OoieGoie wrote:I think anyone that actually cares has a subscription to the GW newsletter. I don't see why this was posted. Meh.

So GW announce the first 40K army and Codex release of 2011, a new range of plastic models, finally end the rumours of an Inquisition combi-dex, potentially bring about the end of the devastating 'leaf-blower' Imperial Guard army build AND give us a specific release date...

...and you don't see why this is posted?

Nice bit of synergy, the Dark Heresy Daemon Hunter book is out the same month.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1589947657/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER



I don't play the game but I've found the books are great reads full of crazy ideas and images, usually a lot more fun to read than the recent codexes.

It was basically "Hey guys new marines with sticks in April!!" and that was it. While it's good to have news I miss the old couple of pictures of what to actually expect for that release.

i really really didn't want to see yet another space marine army coming out.... I really do feel like this is just another example of GW's faltering mindset on 40k and its continual confirmation of it becoming financialy set on space marines (yeah its not new but its continuing trend is still not welcome) which i shall continue to bemoan this till gw ends.

Gibbsey wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:

OK thats great, any details?.... right.

If we can't have any new model pictures, could we at least have a preview of the Codex cover as a wallpaper or something?

Did most of the other "Incoming!" email announcements have any more content than this one? Noooo....so why do complaints about this continue? We all know how these announcements work at this point after many months of receiving them, no use repeating the same complaints every time. At this point my question is, how long does something have to be repeated before Warhammer fans catch on to how it works? Please don't answer, it's a rhetorical question with a very disappointing answer I'm afraid. LOL.

The point is they post Incoming! articles with a little bit of fluff and no substance, at least this time they gave a date but there is this magical thing called "Marketing" and many people think that it would help their "Marketing" if they at least previewed one model to get people excited about it

Can we agree that it's an improvement but not yet at the level we can/should expect?

I mean FFG is a much smaller company but they have their GK book listed on Amazon with a price, a date, a cover image and a blurb about what is in it.

GW used a 8 year old image and told us something was coming, no details.

FFG's book is now in my Amazon cart and I'm ready to buy it. GW's stuff... not so much.

YAY!

Offical confirmation is awsome.

Now to mug a bunch of old ladies to get the money for a new GK army......

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:

OK thats great, any details?.... right.

If we can't have any new model pictures, could we at least have a preview of the Codex cover as a wallpaper or something?

Did most of the other "Incoming!" email announcements have any more content than this one? Noooo....so why do complaints about this continue? We all know how these announcements work at this point after many months of receiving them, no use repeating the same complaints every time. At this point my question is, how long does something have to be repeated before Warhammer fans catch on to how it works? Please don't answer, it's a rhetorical question with a very disappointing answer I'm afraid. LOL.

The point is they post Incoming! articles with a little bit of fluff and no substance, at least this time they gave a date but there is this magical thing called "Marketing" and many people think that it would help their "Marketing" if they at least previewed one model to get people excited about it

Can we agree that it's an improvement but not yet at the level we can/should expect?

I mean FFG is a much smaller company but they have their GK book listed on Amazon with a price, a date, a cover image and a blurb about what is in it.

GW used a 8 year old image and told us something was coming, no details.

FFG's book is now in my Amazon cart and I'm ready to buy it. GW's stuff... not so much.

GW has not really done much to "update" the look either; they have simply made plastic versions of the models as they were from half a decade or more ago.

Even though I'm not a Space Marine player (actually, I don't really like them at all), I get excited about any GW new release. Because I'm brainwashed like that. Well... except for Minotaurs...

Email me when there's rules or figs, or at least new print or pre orders.

Saintspirit wrote:

Kurgash wrote:

Saintspirit wrote:Dang!
It is not Battle Sisters.


...You see, I recently dreamt I saw everyone playing new battle sisters. If they would be released now, I'd consider myself a warhammer prophet.

You kidding? I had a dream several months back I was holding the Necron codex. It was ornate looking, beautiful plastic lord kit kit bashed on the inside cover, such wonderful and easily understandable rules and a model for every choice pretty much.

I woke up and I had tears in my eyes. A man can dream...a man can dream.

But yes, kudos to the GK for their long awaited update. Now about those other 3rd ed books needing a desperate update

Sure, but the thing is that my warhammer dreams has came true before. I dreamt once I was putting together plastic juggernauts, only a few days before they were proclaimed!

If you're having multiple dreams about putting together 40K models. . .maybe it's time to get outside for a bit.

Not to get snarky or anything, but that's another rumor from Stickmonkey's sources that turned out to be bunk.

BrassScorpion wrote:

OK thats great, any details?.... right.

If we can't have any new model pictures, could we at least have a preview of the Codex cover as a wallpaper or something?

Did most of the other "Incoming!" email announcements have any more content than this one? Noooo....so why do complaints about this continue? We all know how these announcements work at this point after many months of receiving them, no use repeating the same complaints every time. At this point my question is, how long does something have to be repeated before Warhammer fans catch on to how it works? Please don't answer, it's a rhetorical question with a very disappointing answer I'm afraid. LOL.

And as much as you love the complaining. . .you've got to love even more the complaining about the complaining.

bhsman wrote:Not to get snarky or anything, but that's another rumor from Stickmonkey's sources that turned out to be bunk.

Wasn't Stickmonkey the one that said they were being pushed back, April isn't exactly early IMHO.
I admit, he did say, "much later" or something along those lines, but it's still not as early as some people were saying...

WarOne wrote:GW has not really done much to "update" the look either; they have simply made plastic versions of the models as they were from half a decade or more ago.

Have you seen anything of the new models?

puma713 wrote:And as much as you love the complaining. . .you've got to love even more the complaining about the complaining.

Well I for one want to complain about the complaining complaining? All this criticism has to stop and,... oops

I was hoping for a shot of the Chibihawk with grey knights coming out of it, Im really curious if they have variants, or an extra detail sprue, or metal ad on pieces, or if they are going to be exactly like the BA images, with just silver paint jobs?

When the Dark Eldar came out they did a line of articles including commentary from Jes Goodwin, it was awesome, and it was a series that dealt with the designs, I hope they do that again for grey knights!

Im disapointed because thats also what I hoped this might be.

Not yet I suppose.

Augustus wrote:

puma713 wrote:And as much as you love the complaining. . .you've got to love even more the complaining about the complaining.

Well I for one want to complain about the complaining complaining? All this criticism has to stop and,... oops

Knew that was coming.

So any non news parts aside, was that bit about the Grey Knights being founded just prior to the fight with Horus new? I've read the Horus Heresy books up to Nemesis and have 3 of the 4 art books before they combined them and I don't remember that bit, or that specific time mentioned in old fluff. I always thought they were founded just after Horus was defeated. Not a huge thing, but maybe the rumors about Garro and other loyalists from the Traitor Legions will be mentioned.

Augustus wrote:When the Dark Eldar came out they did a line of articles including commentary from Jes Goodwin, it was awesome, and it was a series that dealt with the designs, I hope they do that again for grey knights!

To be fair, that only happened AFTER Dark Eldar were released, or at least after everyone had gotten a look at the preview 'dex. We're still three months out from that.

I'm glad we've gotten confirmation, but this isn't quite exciting enough.

Once we start seeing some models and the codex rules start leaking, then it will be time to celebrate (or nerdrage, depending on content).

Well that was a pleasant suprise for dull monday afternoon.

In other news, I have seen the term sandy LANGUAGE used for the first time. I have not seen the work computer set off that many alarms in a long time - stay classy Dakka.

Meh, after being somewhat burned by the Tyranid FAQ (at least there weren't *official* Mycetic Spore models for me to buy ten of -- and buying the materials to make ten was not *hugely* expensive), I'm going to wait for codex release, FAQ release, and detailed tactical analysis from blogs and forums, before I even buy the codex, let alone decide whether to sell my GKs on eBay or adapt them for the new codex... so the only news I really needed was the release date!

H.B.M.C. wrote:

BrookM wrote:A confirmation is fine and dandy, but a preview is always nice. Who is writing it by the way?

Let's hope it's Matt Ward.

If us Inquisitorial players have to lose our armies, the least we can get is payback via a Wardish nonsense Codex.

Hear Hear!

I agree with H.M.B.C

Although I will buy the 'dex to check out the damage myself. Might branch out if GKs are now plastic and cost less. Although knowing GW they'll stay at £25 for 5.

VikingScott wrote: Although knowing GW they'll increase to £35 for 5.

fixed that for you!

April?! My birthday hits 26th march!!! Yay!!!
Oh, wait, my DKoK and BA won't be done by then...
And I'm not starting 3 different armies...
I'll only have about £50 to spend on them...
glad to see a release date (sort of) set.
Don't they normally do it middle of the month, round about 16th?

I am glad for official confirmation of April and what I thought was a new picture!

Maybe I just haven't looked at my old GK Codex recently enough, but... that's not a new picture?

Wow, so the first big release of the year wont be until April? I'm guessing this is going to be a slow year for 40k/Fantasy.

bhsman wrote:

Augustus wrote:When the Dark Eldar came out they did a line of articles including commentary from Jes Goodwin, it was awesome, and it was a series that dealt with the designs, I hope they do that again for grey knights!

To be fair, that only happened AFTER Dark Eldar were released, or at least after everyone had gotten a look at the preview 'dex. We're still three months out from that.

Indeed. I suppose its just premature of me to be expecting this. Well said. Perhaps that level of detail is still coming! Finding out should be fun!

@ Puma, thanks for seeing the funny, I was trying for some well intentioned humor!

This release will further push back any possible Tyranid releases! GAH!

Wait a sec...6th ed. 40k BRRB isn't that far off now... I bet we're gonna get C:GK, we'll all be happy that we have an up-to-date codex, and then 6th ed. comes and it's back to whining about out of date codexes. you, GW.

shrike wrote:Wait a sec...6th ed. 40k BRRB isn't that far off now... I bet we're gonna get C:GK, we'll all be happy that we have an up-to-date codex, and then 6th ed. comes and it's back to whining about out of date codexes. you, GW.

I thought tht 6th edition wasnt going to be until they updated the rest of the codexes?

VikingScott wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

BrookM wrote:A confirmation is fine and dandy, but a preview is always nice. Who is writing it by the way?

Let's hope it's Matt Ward.

If us Inquisitorial players have to lose our armies, the least we can get is payback via a Wardish nonsense Codex.

Hear Hear!

I agree with H.M.B.C

Although I will buy the 'dex to check out the damage myself. Might branch out if GKs are now plastic and cost less. Although knowing GW they'll stay at £25 for 5.

i would guess that they'll come out with 5 man GK squads that cost as much as death company and the termies will be space wolf termie cost too.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Nice bit of synergy, the Dark Heresy Daemon Hunter book is out the same month.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1589947657/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER



I don't play the game but I've found the books are great reads full of crazy ideas and images, usually a lot more fun to read than the recent codexes.

protip to the second inquisitor from the left: if you want to live long enough to make it to inquisitor lord, don't "HUZZAH!" during the briefing while everyone else is finding out what the plan is. other than that, nice pic. hopefully we'll get some nice inquisitors to fill out the GK line too. the old ones (other than the plasma pistol witchhunter limited edition one) are somewhat fugly.

Augustus wrote:Indeed. I suppose its just premature of me to be expecting this. Well said. Perhaps that level of detail is still coming! Finding out should be fun!

No worries. Honestly I'm just glad to get an official confirmation and a (relatively) early release date.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Let's hope it's Matt Ward.

If us Inquisitorial players have to lose our armies, the least we can get is payback via a Wardish nonsense Codex.

Keep bringing down that average quality of Dakka posts, HBMC.

Gibbsey wrote:

shrike wrote:Wait a sec...6th ed. 40k BRRB isn't that far off now... I bet we're gonna get C:GK, we'll all be happy that we have an up-to-date codex, and then 6th ed. comes and it's back to whining about out of date codexes. you, GW.

I thought tht 6th edition wasnt going to be until they updated the rest of the codexes?

Well, it's a little too early for any hard rumors, but it's suspected that 6th edition will be late 2012.

With WHFB 8th edition released, GW's next big project will probably be 40k 6th.

warboss wrote:

protip to the second inquisitor from the left: if you want to live long enough to make it to inquisitor lord, don't "HUZZAH!" during the briefing while everyone else is finding out what the plan is.

Lol reminds me of Frank from Old School. A bit overzealous. . .

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Nice bit of synergy, the Dark Heresy Daemon Hunter book is out the same month.



I don't play the game but I've found the books are great reads full of crazy ideas and images, usually a lot more fun to read than the recent codexes.

In the far future, I'd like to think that skull chandeliers are viewed as fashionable as deer antler chandeliers.

Dembski is writing a Grey Knight novel right now too, wonder on it's release date....

I'm really excited. I was getting ready to dive into a Dark Eldar project but I think I may just wait for April and go with some Grey Knight action.

I also would have loved to see some kind of preview picture. Hopefully in next month's White Dwarf they'll have something. Not that I buy that poor excuse for a hobby magazine, but I do always page through it at the good old FLGS.

asdfal;jdfj;lafhda;lgha


Sorry, I was getting all the nerd drool of my keyboard.

vaatbak wrote:asdfal;jdfj;lafhda;lgha


Sorry, I was getting all the nerd drool of my keyboard.

Drool, eh?

I don't know much about Grey Knights but i had heard from my FLGS that they may or may not be getting a reboot. I would be interested in picking up a few models to with my Blood Angels and Tau Armies, as for the banter in this thread i am unconcerned either way be there an image of a miniature or not! I'm not bothered!

I need mutlipart plastic demonhunters. I have always looked at them and thought: My god, if they werent about £50 a squad, I would start an army.

Good to hear that the Daemonhunters are getting an update, but there is a lack of info on it. Oh well.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there hasn't been an 'Incoming' for the Orks and Gobbo's yet

Yes there was, that was weeks ago. It contained no detailed info, but announced the month of release.

Now the question is, not only what new GK items will be released if any beyond the basic troops in power and terminator armor, but how much will it all cost. One reason you see few GK armies around is the cost of the power armor troopers. I've collected a small force of the current range, but if the plastic basic troops cost as much in plastic as they do now in pewter I can't imagine there being a lot of huge armies of these still showing up on game tables. Then again, if they are as high points elite types as rumors suggest, one may not need that many and the price therefore may reflect that by being fairly high.

Just Dave wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but there hasn't been an 'Incoming' for the Orks and Gobbo's yet, but they're expected to be arriving earlier than Grey Knights? That seems a bit odd to me...
Also, 3 months is much earlier than GW usually reveals the incoming goodies IMO.
What gives?

You are wrong. Consider yourself corrected.

Also, plastic grey knights kit already leaked? It looks remarkably legit, its probably old and just havent noticed, but if anyone has seen it, here it is

Looks like the same exact poses as the metal ones, I'm assuming resin masters?

Plus, given GW secrecy these days, why are they on display in the first place?

I thought the same thing, and now the AgeOfEgos says it, that seems a much more likely scenario

BrassScorpion wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there hasn't been an 'Incoming' for the Orks and Gobbo's yet

Yes there was, that was weeks ago. It contained no detailed info, but announced the month of release.

Now the question is, not only what new GK items will be released if any beyond the basic troops in power and terminator armor, but how much will it all cost. One reason you see few GK armies around is the cost of the power armor troopers. I've collected a small force of the current range, but if the plastic basic troops cost as much in plastic as they do now in pewter I can't imagine there being a lot of huge armies of these still showing up on game tables. Then again, if they are as high points elite types as rumors suggest, one may not need that many and the price therefore may reflect that by being fairly high.

Given GW's habit of making stuff cheaper when it transitions from metal to plastic, I think the costs won't be too out of proportion.

AgeOfEgos wrote:

Dembski is writing a Grey Knight novel right now too, wonder on it's release date....

Wait...what?!?

He is?

Where/when was this announced?

And what other author/work assignments have I missed?

niallkissick wrote:I don't know much about Grey Knights but i had heard from my FLGS that they may or may not be getting a reboot.

What?

The whole point of this thread is that Grey Knights ARE getting a new Codex - in fact, this has just been officially confirmed by GW.

Your FLGS needs an update!

warboss wrote:protip to the second inquisitor from the left: if you want to live long enough to make it to inquisitor lord, don't "HUZZAH!" during the briefing while everyone else is finding out what the plan is.

I remember the first time FFG posted that pic. The first thought that ran into my head was:

"Dave - Put your sword away. We're trying to plan something here."

bhsman wrote:To be fair, that only happened AFTER Dark Eldar were released, or at least after everyone had gotten a look at the preview 'dex. We're still three months out from that.

And isn't that a larger problem - all your big previews and articles and actual content available after the release?

bhsman wrote:Keep bringing down that average quality of Dakka posts, HBMC.

And keep making personal attacks when I'm obviously just being facetious bhsman.

Keep the discussion polite please. There is no need for personal attacks and they are against our rules here. Now that we've had a warning, I'll be moving on to suspensions.

Alpharius wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:

Dembski is writing a Grey Knight novel right now too, wonder on it's release date....

Wait...what?!?

He is?

Where/when was this announced?

And what other author/work assignments have I missed?

IIRC, he actually said he was in a thread on /tg/ as well as a youtube interview.

Alpharius wrote:Wait...what?!?

He is?

Where/when was this announced?

And what other author/work assignments have I missed?

He talked about it a bit in the Grey Knights rumor thread back on Bolter & Chainsword. He's already got a basic story and names down (centers around Grey Knights and a female Inquisitor and her retinue), though stuff may change as his editors get a better look. He also wants to write a World Eaters book, though I can't remember if it's supposed to be pre- or post-Heresy.

Just google his name for his blog if you want update.

H.B.M.C. wrote:And isn't that a larger problem - all your big previews and articles and actual content available after the release?

But it benefits those who don't want to buy the new codex? I'm not saying it's the best way, but I don't think it was entirely wrong, either.

And keep making personal attacks when I'm obviously just being facetious bhsman.

That's...the joke?

I like that picture! Those GKs if plastic, sure would be easy to assemble, paint and transport, probably better for production and conversion too, and what kind of neat bits will the sprue have, mmm.

Achtung! Nein baby, those are ze old resin masters of the current like of metals ja!

I hope the new termies (if there are new termies) look as good as the current metal GK termies. Maybe GW will still let us buy the metal ones from the collectors range. Ya know, like they did with the metal Diaz demonettes!

bhsman wrote:Given GW's habit of making stuff cheaper when it transitions from metal to plastic, I think the costs won't be too out of proportion.

???

Gold Swords anyone?

reds8n wrote:
GW's "marketing strategies" ( use of term may not conform to accepted definition) or WTFedness thereof is pretty much a given now. [/color]

Thats pretty much what I was saying. its not like its the first time they have done it. Its the standard thing.

Flashman wrote:

Just Dave wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but there hasn't been an 'Incoming' for the Orks and Gobbo's yet, but they're expected to be arriving earlier than Grey Knights? That seems a bit odd to me...
Also, 3 months is much earlier than GW usually reveals the incoming goodies IMO.
What gives?

You are wrong. Consider yourself corrected.

Corrected and Ninja'd.

BrassScorpion wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there hasn't been an 'Incoming' for the Orks and Gobbo's yet

Yes there was, that was weeks ago. It contained no detailed info, but announced the month of release.

Now the question is, not only what new GK items will be released if any beyond the basic troops in power and terminator armor, but how much will it all cost. One reason you see few GK armies around is the cost of the power armor troopers. I've collected a small force of the current range, but if the plastic basic troops cost as much in plastic as they do now in pewter I can't imagine there being a lot of huge armies of these still showing up on game tables. Then again, if they are as high points elite types as rumors suggest, one may not need that many and the price therefore may reflect that by being fairly high.

I hope they're as OP as Dark Eldar were.

rivers64 wrote:I hope they're as OP as Dark Eldar were.

I hope they're not as cheesy as BA & SW were.
And I hope they remain as unplayed as before- I'd hate to see lots of noobs starting them.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

bhsman wrote:Given GW's habit of making stuff cheaper when it transitions from metal to plastic, I think the costs won't be too out of proportion.

???

Gold Swords anyone?

it's also a practice they specifically singled out in last year's stockholder report as one going the way of the dodo. they now consider their plastics to be of a quality that they can charge as much or more than the previous metals.

I think the general consensus is that Dark Eldar are largely balanced, as are much of Blood Angels and Tyranids. Arguably, as much as it pains me to say it, the Codices have been getting more and more balanced game-wise.

That is of course, only game-wise. I'm not looking forward to Grey Knights allying with Tyranids to fight off Tau or something. Maybe they'll combine BA and SW and have Grey Knights riding Tyranids?

Then again, haters gonna hate and all that...

Oh the DE? OP? I think that remains to be seen.

I just hope they get some variety in force org choices, if the codex ends up being:

HQ Big GK, InqLord
T GKs
E GK Termies
FA GK teleporter guys, Chibihawk
HS Dread, Landraider, Orbital Strike

All the armys will have a pretty boring similar pattern. Regardless of how cool the models are if the list variety is that 2D I don't see it going very far. Especially with no Allied rules...


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Just Dave wrote:I think the general consensus is that Dark Eldar are largely balanced,...

That's what I think.

warboss wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

bhsman wrote:Given GW's habit of making stuff cheaper when it transitions from metal to plastic, I think the costs won't be too out of proportion.

???

Gold Swords anyone?

it's also a practice they specifically singled out in last year's stockholder report as one going the way of the dodo. they now consider their plastics to be of a quality that they can charge as much or more than the previous metals.

Exactly!

I think they're at roughly 50% cheaper/more expensive when doing this - though I, of course, may be off here.

I don't see them cutting us many breaks on an "elite" model count style army though.

And I don't see GK terminators coming in cheaper than 'regular' terminators...

rivers64 wrote:I hope they're as OP as Dark Eldar were.

Dark Eldar are "overpowered"? Got any real reason for thinking that, or are you just one of those people who cry about every new release being broken when in fact they have no idea what they're talking about?

Because we all know how broken Tyranids turned out to be, right?

^^ agreed
I am however, concerned if the above picture is true, they just look like recast of the metals.

that would suck, the only way i'm replacing my 50+ grey knights is if I can customize them all with purity seals and poses!

Sidstyler wrote:

rivers64 wrote:I hope they're as OP as Dark Eldar were.

Dark Eldar are "overpowered"? Got any real reason for thinking that, or are you just one of those people who cry about every new release being broken when in fact they have no idea what they're talking about?

Because we all know how broken Tyranids turned out to be, right?

Doom of malant'ai? That had to be nerfed because he was so OP.
and DE OP? Incubi with archon. They can kill anything in CC.

shrike wrote:
Incubi with archon. They can kill anything in CC.

50 man blob? XD

So two powerful units? Yeah, that really makes them broken.

@Grundz: BrookM said that these were resin masters for the metal (existing) models IIRC.

shrike wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:

rivers64 wrote:I hope they're as OP as Dark Eldar were.

Dark Eldar are "overpowered"? Got any real reason for thinking that, or are you just one of those people who cry about every new release being broken when in fact they have no idea what they're talking about?

Because we all know how broken Tyranids turned out to be, right?

Doom of malant'ai? That had to be nerfed because he was so OP.
and DE OP? Incubi with archon. They can kill anything in CC.

Cept a Stargod. I'd put my money on them.

Just Dave wrote:So two powerful units? Yeah, that really makes them broken.

actually, he said "give one reason"- that is a reason. The whole codexes aren't OP, though.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:???

Gold Swords anyone?

Chaos Knights? O+G Trolls? Boar Boyz? Killa Kanz? White Lions?

Sorry, but using only Greatswords as an example doesn't cut it.

Quote it where he (apparently) says "give one reason" in the post you quoted and I'll concede.

alpharius wrote:Exactly!

I think they're at roughly 50% cheaper/more expensive when doing this - though I, of course, may be off here.

I don't see them cutting us many breaks on an "elite" model count style army though.

And I don't see GK terminators coming in cheaper than 'regular' terminators...

My thoughts exactly. No way the Terminators are going to be cheaper than $50 US for five and they may even charge more for the power armor dudes than they do for "regular" Space Marines, especially if there are a lot of cool extras on the sprue. Some things get reduced in price when they move from metal to plastic and some do not. It depends on the kit, the model range, projected sales, in-game effects, etc. The secret "goblin index" will always come into play in pricing.

I agree they'll probably cost more, maybe even $60 for 5 GK terminators, but that's offset by the fact that they'll probably cost more points in the first place. Deathwing lists tend to be cheaper than regular Marine lists in my experience, despite the sticker shock.

BrassScorpion wrote:

alpharius wrote:Exactly!

I think they're at roughly 50% cheaper/more expensive when doing this - though I, of course, may be off here.

I don't see them cutting us many breaks on an "elite" model count style army though.

And I don't see GK terminators coming in cheaper than 'regular' terminators...

My thoughts exactly. No way the Terminators are going to be cheaper than $50 US for five and they may even charge more for the power armor dudes than they do for "regular" Space Marines, especially if there are a lot of cool extras on the sprue. Some things get reduced in price when they move from metal to plastic and some do not. It depends on the kit, the model range, projected sales, in-game effects, etc. The secret "goblin index" will always come into play in pricing.

Hopefully we see something mor ein line with the SW Wolf Pack.... 10 guys with tons of options!

I wonder how buying into each army with a "standard" -- if there is such a thing -- build would cost and how they'd compare. I wonder if GW has numbers on that. We always talk about them like they're the freakin illuminati but I'm not sure that GW is really all that sophisticated.

Stoked for this! But damn it, wish they would have shown some models.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I remember the first time FFG posted that pic. The first thought that ran into my head was:

"Dave - Put your sword away. We're trying to plan something here."

You totally need to get the Photoshop out, and turn that pic into a Demotivational Poster with exactly that quote!

Manchu wrote: We always talk about them like they're the freakin illuminati but I'm not sure that GW is really all that sophisticated.

We... Do?

Scottywan82 wrote:
We don't exactly BUY FLOWERS AND DINNER for GW here. Instead we remember we're CUSTOMERS. And as such can demand things of the companies competing for our cash.

Ian Sturrock wrote:You totally need to get the Photoshop out, and turn that pic into a Demotivational Poster with exactly that quote!

Demotivationals are all over the place. We need more in the style of Superpoop's.

Here's hoping to some options and SCs!

bhsman wrote:I agree they'll probably cost more, maybe even $60 for 5 GK terminators, but that's offset by the fact that they'll probably cost more in the first place. Deathwing lists tend to be cheaper than regular Marine lists in my experience, despite the sticker shock.

Ill agree with this. Id expect the GK termies to come with more options and customizing bits than the reg SM termies, so a bit of a price increase should be expected.


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Doomgrin wrote:

Hopefully we see something mor ein line with the SW Wolf Pack.... 10 guys with tons of options!

Id say that is extremely likely. Would be pretty sweet if they did a SC box like the CSM term lord.

I can't wait for the minis to come out. I'm not intereted in the Grey Knight COdex (I already have 2 armies), but I do want to kit-bash the hell out of their PA and TA marine parts for my Black Templar army. Sword Brethren are supposed to look fancy, afterall!

Cheers, GW. Remember, we want plastic grey knight terminators and plastic grey knight powered armor marines.

Joy!

kronk wrote:I can't wait for the minis to come out. I'm not intereted in the Grey Knight COdex (I already have 2 armies), but I do want to kit-bash the hell out of their PA and TA marine parts for my Black Templar army. Sword Brethren are supposed to look fancy, afterall!

Cheers, GW. Remember, we want plastic grey knight terminators and plastic grey knight powered armor marines.

Joy!

I've been holding out buying some metal models to represent my sword brethren for over a year now because I don't want to chop apart what I just payed $35 per 5 for. I can't wait until I'm able to buy some plastic kits with a Knight/Crusader style helm outside of fantasy and the upgrade sprue.

All the new SpecialCharacters should be a blast for conversion projects and as representative models. Be nice to get a IC termy sprue outside of chaos marines; Could use just a single purchase for IC models in termy armour across any SM codex.
Run him $25ish with a bunch of options and I'll pick up a couple-three myself for the bits if nothing else. Roll out the plastic PAGK at $40 a box of ten and I'll grab 4 boxes to start.

Now I can't forget the one thing that I am looking forward to most: Daemonhunters Battleforce.............Probably gonna be 2xPAGK squads and 5 man termy squad with a GK hero.

Quote "*Little 6 year old girl voice*"
OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGBIEBEROMGOMGOMGOMGOMG!!!!!!

kronk wrote:I can't wait for the minis to come out. I'm not intereted in the Grey Knight COdex
Cheers, GW. Remember, we want plastic grey knight terminators and plastic grey knight powered armor marines.

Joy!

Same here for the most part. I just want some GKT. Ive started working on a collection of custom/converted terminators and the GKT would make a good base for a couple conversions.

Also interested in what the SC and that "knight" thing are going to look like.

WarOne wrote:GW has not really done much to "update" the look either; they have simply made plastic versions of the models as they were from half a decade or more ago.

Actually, from what I hear, they are very much updated, Terminators now resized to the current Terminator size (which means, yes, that pic shows resin masters of the old terminators). All armour is much more ornate than before for a start.

BTW if you don't like stickmonkey's GK rumours, here are some by another source that sound quite good:
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2010/12/03/network-news-the-final-grey-knight-rumor-reveal/

BrookM wrote:Achtung! Nein baby, those are ze old resin masters of the current like of metals ja!

Verdammt, ninjahd by ze Hollander!

wiper wrote:Well, I'm glad to have a date.

Congratulations Now back on topic

BTW here is new art from a BL Space Marine anthology:
http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/coming-soon/Victories-of-the-Space-Marines.html


And here is a trailer for a fan-made Daemonhunter mod for Dawn of War: Dark Crusade , just to show how marketing could have been (if GW had the marketing budget of GW fans ): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wibYizHjCgs

Nice. Pics would have been good. Might buy some PA GK to kitbash with some Sangunary Guard. Or DC. Would be a sexy unit.

Another somewhat pointless announcement from GW, they could at least have provided some preview regarding what's in store.

For those doubting that the posted pic is of the metal TDA GK, I highly doubt that a Marine kit would come with the heads set in the model.

I hope the termies come with similar quality to Space Wolves ones... if so, i will buy a box just for mag and paint.

But really, GW... go BUY SOME FLOWER!!!! (i decided to cut admin work here)

I walked into my FLGS today, which I hadn't been in for years (for anything 40k related, anyway). I was going to ask the owner, a friend of mine, if he still had my old GK army I had left there. I assumed it had been snagged in the ages I had left it there and nearly passed out from the shock that it was sitting on a shelf, with all of the for sale product, as if it was just waiting for me.

So I find about 1750 points of fully painted and based GK today AND they confirm the release date of the new Codex? Geezum crow, I must be on a hot streak.

They said they will be realeasing more info in the coming weeks.
-Fast foward through time-
Day before release date- Here they are!!!
They're just the old grey knights only plastic with nipples on the armor!!!!
That would piss me off even more.

Posters on Dakka seem to have an odd fixation with nipples on their models.

Midnightdeathblade wrote:They said they will be realeasing more info in the coming weeks.
-Fast foward through time-
Day before release date- Here they are!!!
They're just the old grey knights only plastic with nipples on the armor!!!!
That would piss me off even more.

I would laugh.




















Then buy them

Kroothawk wrote:

And here is a trailer for a fan-made Daemonhunter mod for Dawn of War: Dark Crusade , just to show how marketing could have been (if GW had the marketing budget of GW fans ):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wibYizHjCgs

Oh Kroot... that's just mean.

Great video though!

I quite like GK Terminators, but don't plan on buying any. Mainly, I'm just glad we're one step closer to Codex: SoB

bhsman wrote:Posters on Dakka seem to have an odd fixation with nipples on their models.

It's not our fault, they put them on the BAs and not on the Daemonettes.

AlexHolker wrote:It's not our fault, they put them on the BAs and not on the Daemonettes.

So...just like I said?

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Grey Templar wrote:SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

I can't wait for more info. I just hope that Grey Knights remain Grey Knights and don't become another SM Codex that just has more crap and no real differences. As long as Grey Knights stay unique and awesome, I'll be happy to spend my money.

niallkissick wrote:I don't know much about Grey Knights but i had heard from my FLGS that they may or may not be getting a reboot.

What?

The whole point of this thread is that Grey Knights ARE getting a new Codex - in fact, this has just been officially confirmed by GW.

Your FLGS needs an update!

Good to hear, but the least they could do is build up some fething hype by giving previews.

Tim the Biovore wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

The Games Workshop Department of Overzealous, Unnecessary and Ultimately Pointless Secrecy (GW-DOUUPS) wrote:Although details are being kept firmly under wraps for now...

... for no readily apparent reason.

That's exactly what I thought.

It allows us to start saving now - at least for dedicated players. Thats just my 2c.

Also, I think they have been feeding the slow drip policy for a while now - feed out information slowly, as even bad reactions still generate commentary (as it has done here) and get other people who don't care so much about precisely what is coming out (instead enjoying the fact that GK are being redone at all) to start counting pennies etc.

Plus it would be embarrassing to say 'we are releasing these things' before everything is off the production line, I'm guessing - that way if some dork drops the mould or there are manufacturing/shipping issues then they don't have to say 'whoops, I guess that's not happening for a while'.

Either way - I haven't played them for a while, but I'm looking forward to what they bring out.



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Melissia wrote:Good to hear, but the least they could do is build up some fething hype by giving previews.

They will. And they have already built hype - all those who were unsure before or who were not forum fanatics out there in everyday land will see this as the first news. Plus this announcement has generated 7 pages in a day - not bad for hype either.

This way they can slowly preview stuff over the next 2 -3 months - keeping people's interests up and getting them saving dollars to splash all over the first releases.




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Manchu wrote:I wonder how buying into each army with a "standard" -- if there is such a thing -- build would cost and how they'd compare. I wonder if GW has numbers on that. We always talk about them like they're the freakin illuminati but I'm not sure that GW is really all that sophisticated.

One thing I'll say about GW, is that some things are under or over priced for their value on the battlefield, but very few things outside of the steamtank are charged more than their equivalent size brothers etc. So it comes down to fluff/codex costs to how much an army will set you back - and what your build is. Base cost for a horde army or a cheap points/expensive dollars tank list can be a hell of a lot. So can all metals.

But at least we are not fantasy players.

Everybody's talking about plastic GK and GK terminators - but is there any chance of plastic stormtroopers as troops like in the DH codex?

There's always a chance...

And it this case, probably a pretty good one!

I hope so! Great for IG, and to give variety to GK armies - everybody wins! (Except those selling metal stormies at mark-up on ebay... but everybody else, anyway!)

Catiline wrote:Everybody's talking about plastic GK and GK terminators - but is there any chance of plastic stormtroopers as troops like in the DH codex?

The most promising line in that whole "Incoming" announcement was "Although details are being kept firmly under wraps for now, you can expect an exciting selection of plastic kits to enable you to build your own Grey Knights army." I particularly like the emphasis on "exciting selection of plastic kits" in that advert.

Melissia wrote:Good to hear, but the least they could do is build up some fething hype by giving previews.

7 pages and counting in this thread - I'd say that counts as hype. Even the complaining about the lack of substance the the announcement keeps it all going. Maybe GW knows its audience better than some of you think...

Tailgunner wrote:

Melissia wrote:Good to hear, but the least they could do is build up some fething hype by giving previews.

7 pages and counting in this thread - I'd say that counts as hype. Even the complaining about the lack of substance the the announcement keeps it all going. Maybe GW knows its audience better than some of you think...

No, it doesn't. You don't honestly think the majority of 40k players actually pay attention to Dakka Dakka?

Melissia wrote:No, it doesn't. You don't honestly think the majority of 40k players actually pay attention to Dakka Dakka?

...yes it does? I'm not saying Dakka is a bellweather for this kind of stuff, but I wouldn't discount it, either. Even then, go to FTW and Ctrl+F for "Grey Knights" and every other blog has a post about the announcement. I'd say this is already well-hyped just with a name drop of what the next army will be.

Yeah, GW just has to drop the Codex's name and people get exited.

well, isn't dropping a teaser after rumors have flown before you release the first trailer then the second and so on.

Isn't GW basically employing a strategy that has worked for many years (in the film and video game industries anyways). So I really don't understand all this Hateraide Sippin'

Anyway I'll say I got a little tingley... down there.... when I saw the incoming 666 daemon hammer in my inbox.

puma713 wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

I was going to post a similar pic when I saw the annoucement, but was @ work and couldnt do it.

So TY. :-)

It sums up my feelings on the matter perfectly.

I think that's just the nature of the Grey Knight army itself. By coupling what are arguably the most beautiful miniatures GW has made with some of the worst rules, it set up a challenge. Were you a good enough player to win with pure Grey Knights? And even though you knew, deep down within yourself, that it was foolish to try to be the best with an army that warns you in the codex that you'd be crazy to try to win even using everything in the codex, you tried. And when you won, you rejoiced. When you didn't, you bought something else. There was just enough awesomeness there to know that it would take just one more unit to make this fever dream a reality.

A guy who was winning regularly with GK was an amazing player who usually had a spectactular army that could be used to club you into submission with its weight alone. Even if you had never been one, you'd heard about those brave crusaders who were pure Grey Knights and tried to win with 25pt marines as their cheapest troop.

The GKs are not just an army- they are a legend.

looking forward to plastic mini's.grey knights rock.

Melissia wrote:Good to hear, but the least they could do is build up some fething hype by giving previews.

Yes because 7 pages since Monday afternoon off of the back of an 8 year old picture and a date on an email is not generating hype.


EDIT - ninja'd by only 3 hours dammit!

Must try to read all of thread before commenting, Must try to read all of thread before commenting, Must try to read all of thread before commenting, DAMMIT I'M SOOOO HYPED!

chaplaingrabthar wrote:

Stop picking on Dave. He's still new and gets really excited as the prospect of purging heretics and xenos scum. Give him a few decades of service before the novelty wears off.

Aduro wrote:

chaplaingrabthar wrote:

Stop picking on Dave. He's still new and gets really excited as the prospect of purging heretics and xenos scum. Give him a few decades of service before the novelty wears off.

Sorry...


What? You thought I'd resist the obvious?!

notprop wrote:

Melissia wrote:Good to hear, but the least they could do is build up some fething hype by giving previews.

Yes because 7 pages since Monday afternoon off of the back of an 8 year old picture and a date on an email is not generating hype.

No offense, but if one is to apply the standard that "even people saying you're crap" is good publicity, then the rising star of this past year must definitely be Lindsay Lohan, although she pales in comparison to the king of "hype" generation for 2011, Jared Lee Laughner (he went from almost totally unknown to (inter)national fame in 48 hours; a viral marketing explosion!).

Beyond that, the clear winner for page generation on Dakka is actually this thread; the lesson we can draw from that thread and this, I suppose then, is that if GW wants to generate "hype", release vague and cryptic announcements and sue people. Disturbingly, though I'm putting that idea forward in jest, that actually may be GW's plan for publicity...

I wonder if they are gonna include any new "good" psychic powers for some characters or even Chaplain+Librarians. I would LOL IRL if they make the Gray Knight Uber e.g. noobs can win tounies just to see all the ranting it would cause.

ThatMG wrote:I wonder if they are gonna include any new "good" psychic powers for some characters or even Chaplain+Librarians.

Yes to psychic powers, no to Chaplains, why would they even need Librarians, or Chaplibrarians?

ThatMG wrote:I would LOL IRL if they make the Gray Knight Uber e.g. noobs can win tounies just to see all the ranting it would cause.

Yeah, and everyone would laugh together and hold hands and even Dave would put down his sword and smile.

It's nice to see them finally being released, but I honestly can't be bothered to listen to the pre-pubescant cries of 'OMGOMGGREYKNIGHTSSOOOOKEWL!!!!'. Colour me unexcited about this release.

Wow, I just realised that this contributes nothing to the thread. My apologies.

Not sure if already posted (in that case I'll edit it), but...

stickmonkey wrote:Well more is coming soon and I think the players who have been waiting will be happy.

I'm not breaking NDA to clarify what I've already stated in the past, so:

1. Expect a new codex which expands the fluff greatly.
2. Expect plastic Terminator GKs, in scale and compatiable with current plastic Teminators
3. Expect plastic power armor sized GKs, whether this armor is actually aegis, annointer, artificer, etc is a mute point, they will be in scale and compatible with all other standard sized marines
4. Expect new sculpts of existing metal character minis
5. Expect a few "new" plastic kits and metal blisters (for the specific rumored kits see the numerous other threads, I'm not going to reveal anything specific here)
6. This will be a wave release, not all of the units of the codex will be represented by models in the release or current ranges
7. IMHO, the models are some of the best sculpts I've ever seen out of GW.

Cheers...

PS: To my friends in Brisbane and Toowoomba, (esp: Baz, Lachlan, Wynter), and everyone at Battle Station. Stay safe, stay dry. And my God watch over your families. I wish I was there.

Hrm. Aegis, Anointer, and Artificer Armor?

Intriguing. "Anointer" suggests we'll see some kind of Chaplain to me.

Im Glad to hear grey knights are to be released but i was wanting the Necrons to get some love. I think GK will be my next army an ill have to sulk until Necrons come out. lol.

I think you're reading too much into it, I personally dismissed it as a typo (d and are are very close and stickmonkey does have some writing errors here and there).

I think he was talking about the 2+ save, not any particular kind of armor, and that the armor they have will fit any regular SM kit.

I hope they don't change the fluff too much, especially the chapter 666 bit.

On the other hand, IMO it would spoil a good mystery if they explained that.

Kanluwen wrote:Hrm. Aegis, Anointer, and Artificer Armor?

Intriguing. "Anointer" suggests we'll see some kind of Chaplain to me.

It suggests you're reading too much into his list of appropriate-sounding A-words.

As grey knights are their own army...will other chapters still be able to take a unit of them as allies?

wizard12 wrote:I hope they don't change the fluff too much, especially the chapter 666 bit.

On the other hand, IMO it would spoil a good mystery if they explained that.

Judging that the email I got from GW about the release had Chapter 666 in the subject line, that wont be a problem .... Up the irons! The Number of the Beast lives .

Yes, another person who isn't mistaking it for the number of the devil!

AlexHolker wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Hrm. Aegis, Anointer, and Artificer Armor?

Intriguing. "Anointer" suggests we'll see some kind of Chaplain to me.

It suggests you're reading too much into his list of appropriate-sounding A-words.

Maybe, but I can't really see what "Anointer"/"Anointed" Armor would be for outside of a Chaplain or some kind of "spiritual"/"exorcist" character.

"Aegis" armour, after all, is the stuff layered with Hexagrammic Wards intended for the "standard" Grey Knights to be wearing.
"Artificer" armour is what rumors are saying the Sergeants will be wearing or the non-Terminator equipped characters will be wearing.

Shenra wrote:As grey knights are their own army...will other chapters still be able to take a unit of them as allies?

No.

Anointed armour could be for some sort of champion (maybe similar to chapter champion or the emperors champion).

Why? Because I think [insert epic name here] the anointed sounds quite cool and anointed armour would fit.

A Grey Knight Chaplain would be all kinds of awesome kind of like Dave Taylor's fantastic Custodes Chaplain model, I'd imagine!

stickmonkey wrote:Well more is coming soon and I think the players who have been waiting will be happy.

I'm not breaking NDA to clarify what I've already stated in the past, so:

1. Expect a new codex which expands the fluff greatly.
2. Expect plastic Terminator GKs, in scale and compatiable with current plastic Teminators
3. Expect plastic power armor sized GKs, whether this armor is actually aegis, annointer, artificer, etc is a mute point, they will be in scale and compatible with all other standard sized marines
4. Expect new sculpts of existing metal character minis
5. Expect a few "new" plastic kits and metal blisters (for the specific rumored kits see the numerous other threads, I'm not going to reveal anything specific here)
6. This will be a wave release, not all of the units of the codex will be represented by models in the release or current ranges
7. IMHO, the models are some of the best sculpts I've ever seen out of GW.

Does this strike anyone else as being...well, generic? Like any of us could have come up with this list without being given any knowledge of what's being released?

He's just confirming stuff. He says he's under a NDA, meaning he must keep a lot of stuff to himself, while still being able to put forward some stuff, like new sculpts for existing character miniatures - wouldn't be an item in my list (or most people) if I was just making things up.

Besides, stickmonkey has already proven what he's worth. Well, maybe not to you, but there must be some reason people still hold his posts in high regard.

I don't like the allies and the way they can drastically effect an army or game right now (i'm looking at You mystics!) but I do hope they keep in rules of some form for taking a unit of Grey Knights in other Imperial armies. Something Legion-Of-The-Damned-esque where they have to show up by Deep Strike, representing them showing up unannounced and unbidden by the "host" army.

Sadly, Aduro, I don't think we'll be getting that, at all.

Allies are gone for good, unfortunately.

Destrado wrote:He's just confirming stuff. He says he's under a NDA, meaning he must keep a lot of stuff to himself, while still being able to put forward some stuff, like new sculpts for existing character miniatures - wouldn't be an item in my list (or most people) if I was just making things up.

Besides, stickmonkey has already proven what he's worth. Well, maybe not to you, but there must be some reason people still hold his posts in high regard.

Every time there's a codex these days there's always new plastic kits and sculpts for old and new characters. Hell, I'm sure someone in this thread or the other there's been a wishlisting post very similar to this - not to say it was copied, but that anyone could have come up with that after looking at the last few releases.

If this were someone else I could take it as being necessarily vague, but this is Stickmonkey we're talking about, who if he's proven about anything it's that he often has bad info.

It just seems like such a good move to keep it in though. To keep their age old fluff/role of a unit of Knights being used in other armies. Plus it's good marketing letting more people buy what are sure to be a higher priced kit for all the detail and doodads it's supposed to have. For rules for it you just let them have a single unit of PAGK or TAGK, no characters or anything, they have to Deep Strike, and take up an Elites slot so they're not Scoring.

There's always Apocalypse or house rules between friends.

Destrado wrote:

ThatMG wrote:I wonder if they are gonna include any new "good" psychic powers for some characters or even Chaplain+Librarians.

Yes to psychic powers, no to Chaplains, why would they even need Librarians, or Chaplibrarians?

ThatMG wrote:I would LOL IRL if they make the Gray Knight Uber e.g. noobs can win tounies just to see all the ranting it would cause.

Yeah, and everyone would laugh together and hold hands and even Dave would put down his sword and smile.

What i ment was chaplains and librarians because of various novels stating they have them, I understand its not cannon but I like the story that the Gray Knights are one of the "Best Chapters" in the sense they have the most resources at their desposal its just how GW wants them to be implemented.

bhsman wrote:

stickmonkey wrote:Well more is coming soon and I think the players who have been waiting will be happy.

I'm not breaking NDA to clarify what I've already stated in the past, so:

1. Expect a new codex which expands the fluff greatly.
2. Expect plastic Terminator GKs, in scale and compatiable with current plastic Teminators
3. Expect plastic power armor sized GKs, whether this armor is actually aegis, annointer, artificer, etc is a mute point, they will be in scale and compatible with all other standard sized marines
4. Expect new sculpts of existing metal character minis
5. Expect a few "new" plastic kits and metal blisters (for the specific rumored kits see the numerous other threads, I'm not going to reveal anything specific here)
6. This will be a wave release, not all of the units of the codex will be represented by models in the release or current ranges
7. IMHO, the models are some of the best sculpts I've ever seen out of GW.

Does this strike anyone else as being...well, generic? Like any of us could have come up with this list without being given any knowledge of what's being released?

He's just confirming stuff. He says he's under a NDA, meaning he must keep a lot of stuff to himself, while still being able to put forward some stuff, like new sculpts for existing character miniatures - wouldn't be an item in my list (or most people) if I was just making things up.

Besides, stickmonkey has already proven what he's worth. Well, maybe not to you, but there must be some reason people still hold his posts in high regard.

Once again, stickmonkey is as reliable as a redshirt (read: not reliable at all). Half of what he posts never comes to fruition or is just plain wrong, I doubt he is under any sort of NDA whatsoever, otherwise GW is feeding him a lot of misinformation (or maybe its just a general lack of information).

Yea, even assuming the best, that he's being honest but fed bad info, that doesn't make him a reliable source.

bhsman wrote:Yea, even assuming the best, that he's being honest but fed bad info, that doesn't make him a reliable source.

The problem sometimes with some of the omnipresent sources that appear over and over again as the forum news/rumors generators is that it's clearly so important to them to be the first to post news or rumors that the attention they seek for doing so is obviously at times more important than actually providing reliable information. And every forum has a user or two like that. I can think of one forum where virtually every post in the rumors area is by one person and they blatantly get annoyed on the occasions someone else beats them to it. It's some kind of weird ego-feeding game for some people and the nastiness that occurs in every rumors section in every 40K forum I've ever seen is proof of that. Generating information is what it's about for some, while others seem to get their kicks from denigrating the news provided by others if they think they can find an implausibility in it to attack, real or imagined. And as we know, many bits of good information have been scoffed at over the years because of that little game. For the people who don't wish to play those toxic games the rumors area of forums is often off limits, and I've had at least one well-respected hobbyist tell me he stays away from both the rumors and general discussion area of this very forum because of the nasty games played there.

But, back to the Grey Knights rumors themselves, it's not like some info hasn't already leaked out in spite of the lack of pictures and some of the rumors are assuredly real info because it always seems to run like that. So, for those people planning to start or add to their GK force, maybe we should buy and paint a Stormraven as soon as it appears in February in preparation for using it with GK in April.

So you're saying that I'm included in that group of degenerate(r)s, then?

BrassScorpion wrote:[The problem sometimes with some of the omnipresent sources that appear over and over again as the forum news/rumors generators is that it's clearly so important to them to be the first to post news or rumors that the attention they seek for doing so is obviously at times more important than actually providing reliable information...

Actually, the REAL problem is people going to a Rumors thread/forum and expecting to get facts.

We have two current facts:
1) Grey Knights are (Currently) scheduled to be released in April, 2011
2) Some new plastics will be released (how many, what and when they will be released are still unknown)

Anything else is RUMOR or NDA breaking and unconfirmable leaks

I was kinda hoping that they'd pull something out of the fluff something along the lines of the Grey Knights being founded by Nathaniel Garro (Flight of the Eisenstein ends with 3 people being suggested as the beginings of the Inquisition, Garro would make a perfect head of Ordos Malleus, Qruze for Ordos Xenos and Kendel for Ordos Hereticus... or something... meh)

I was kinda hoping that they'd pull something out of the fluff something along the lines of the Grey Knights being founded by Nathaniel Garro

The most recent Codex books have been loaded with special named characters and creatures, so there will probably be something fun like that in the new book.

CX316 wrote:I was kinda hoping that they'd pull something out of the fluff something along the lines of the Grey Knights being founded by Nathaniel Garro (Flight of the Eisenstein ends with 3 people being suggested as the beginings of the Inquisition, Garro would make a perfect head of Ordos Malleus, Qruze for Ordos Xenos and Kendel for Ordos Hereticus... or something... meh)

Yeah they pretty much confirm that garro recruits the first grey knights in Garro - Oath of Moment.

johnstewartjohn wrote:

CX316 wrote:I was kinda hoping that they'd pull something out of the fluff something along the lines of the Grey Knights being founded by Nathaniel Garro (Flight of the Eisenstein ends with 3 people being suggested as the beginnings of the Inquisition, Garro would make a perfect head of Ordos Malleus, Qruze for Ordos Xenos and Kendel for Ordos Hereticus... or something... meh)

Yeah they pretty much confirm that garro recruits the first grey knights in Garro - Oath of Moment.

Yeah, no it doesn't. It just "confirms" that Garro and the other survivors seem to be the ones who founded the Inquisition(or at least what laid the groundwork to later become the Inquisition).

I doubt we'll see Garro as a special character.

ThatMG wrote:What I meant was chaplains and librarians because of various novels stating they have them, I understand its not canon but I like the story that the Grey Knights are one of the "Best Chapters" in the sense they have the most resources at their disposal, its just how GW wants them to be implemented.

What's the point of Librarians in an organization that is entirely made of Psykers who are equivalent to the Librarians of the mainstream Chapters? I've also never seen mention of Grey Knight Librarians. Deathwatch Librarians are a stalwart piece of fiction that likely isn't going anywhere.

Grey Knight "Chaplains" however, yeah. They've been mentioned at least once or twice.

It's important to remember that while Grey Knights are "one of the best Chapters"...they're also a Chapter that's, historically, been geared and trained for one thing. Exposing and cleansing Daemonic infestations and taints.

Anything beyond that is weird and new and scares me.

Kanluwen wrote:It's important to remember that while Grey Knights are "one of the best Chapters"...they're also a Chapter that's, historically, been geared and trained for one thing. Exposing and cleansing Daemonic infestations and taints.

Anything beyond that is weird and new and scares me.

Its amazing where one kind find taint given the proper tools and motivation. Innocence proves nothing.

Doomgrin wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It's important to remember that while Grey Knights are "one of the best Chapters"...they're also a Chapter that's, historically, been geared and trained for one thing. Exposing and cleansing Daemonic infestations and taints.

Anything beyond that is weird and new and scares me.

Its amazing where one kind find taint given the proper tools and motivation. Innocence proves nothing.

You seem to know an awful lot about finding daemons. That can only mean one thing:

He's a witch!

Purge him with fire!

Grakmar wrote:

Doomgrin wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It's important to remember that while Grey Knights are "one of the best Chapters"...they're also a Chapter that's, historically, been geared and trained for one thing. Exposing and cleansing Daemonic infestations and taints.

Anything beyond that is weird and new and scares me.

Its amazing where one kind find taint given the proper tools and motivation. Innocence proves nothing.

You seem to know an awful lot about finding daemons. That can only mean one thing:

He's a witch!

Purge him with fire!

I weigh more than a duck, so I am fine.

I am apprehensive about this codex.
I collected Deamonhunters for the Inquisitorial side rather than Grey Knights, who came about for me at a much later time.
I like my IST army and my Inquisitor units.
I get the bad feeling that this is going to ruin a large part of my collection and turn it into something similar vain of BA :/

alphaomega wrote:I am apprehensive about this codex.
I collected Deamonhunters for the Inquisitorial side rather than Grey Knights, who came about for me at a much later time.
I like my IST army and my Inquisitor units.
I get the bad feeling that this is going to ruin a large part of my collection and turn it into something similar vain of BA :/

I can't guarantee they won't make ISTs as Troops require some kind of special character, but rarely does GW like to invalidate units from a previous codex. Keep your hopes up!

bhsman wrote:

alphaomega wrote:I am apprehensive about this codex.
I collected Deamonhunters for the Inquisitorial side rather than Grey Knights, who came about for me at a much later time.
I like my IST army and my Inquisitor units.
I get the bad feeling that this is going to ruin a large part of my collection and turn it into something similar vain of BA :/

I can't guarantee they won't make ISTs as Troops require some kind of special character, but rarely does GW like to invalidate units from a previous codex. Keep your hopes up!

I am already prepared, if needed will make them into Grenadiers by adding more special weapons

alphaomega wrote:I am apprehensive about this codex.
I collected Deamonhunters for the Inquisitorial side rather than Grey Knights, who came about for me at a much later time.
I like my IST army and my Inquisitor units.
I get the bad feeling that this is going to ruin a large part of my collection and turn it into something similar vain of BA :/

I think that a lot of people won't have a problem playing against your previous edition Daemonhunters army. There is a guy who still brings a Lost and the Damned list to my FLGS and nobody has refused to play him.

alphaomega wrote:I am apprehensive about this codex.

There are a number of us in the same boat.

It's hard to get excited about a new Codex that will do little but invalidate our existing army (and not in the usual 'change a few things' way, but in a 'this army doesn't exist any more' way).

H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's hard to get excited about a new Codex that will do little but invalidate our existing army (and not in the usual 'change a few things' way, but in a 'this army doesn't exist any more' way).

Tyranids anyone?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

alphaomega wrote:I am apprehensive about this codex.

There are a number of us in the same boat.

It's hard to get excited about a new Codex that will do little but invalidate our existing army (and not in the usual 'change a few things' way, but in a 'this army doesn't exist any more' way).

I have already had WHFB pretty much invalidated because I hate the lack of force chart etc.
I just really hope GK are unique and not the next bigger, better, harder Space Marine army.

puma713 wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's hard to get excited about a new Codex that will do little but invalidate our existing army (and not in the usual 'change a few things' way, but in a 'this army doesn't exist any more' way).

Tyranids anyone?

not even close, dude. just because that particular army didn't come with any super-power builds doesn't mean that it was invalidated. there is a difference between being having the overall power level nerfed compared with other codicies and having your army *poof* out of existence.

They didn't *Poof* it out of existance though. GW (might have) made it so that a SC will allow your ISTs to be taken as troops.

Just because that particular army isn't as powerful as it is now doesn't mean it's invalidated either.

I know, it sucks, but cheer up a little, at least they didn't take ISTs out entirely... Though I do own 2 Squads of the buggers, wonder if they will make good Henchmen...

Footsloggin wrote:They didn't *Poof* it out of existance though. GW (might have) made it so that a SC will allow your ISTs to be taken as troops.

Just because that particular army isn't as powerful as it is now doesn't mean it's invalidated either.

I know, it sucks, but cheer up a little, at least they didn't take ISTs out entirely... Though I do own 2 Squads of the buggers, wonder if they will make good Henchmen...

60 of them.
And a SC means I have to take it to take my army that, is something that I have never been keen on. This is part of why I am thinking that it is going to either fly or sink.

Still I will have the Witch Hunter's codex till that is replaced.
Least them I can use my army, a bit with a few points changes.

Footsloggin wrote:They didn't *Poof* it out of existance though. GW (might have) made it so that a SC will allow your ISTs to be taken as troops.

Just because that particular army isn't as powerful as it is now doesn't mean it's invalidated either.

I know, it sucks, but cheer up a little, at least they didn't take ISTs out entirely... Though I do own 2 Squads of the buggers, wonder if they will make good Henchmen...

so how exactly would you play those leman russ tanks some players currently have along with their inducted guard platoons complete with heavy and special weapon squads in with their codex GK stuff? some armies do indeed go *poof* with the loss of inducted/allied guard/marines.

I wasn't speaking about allied armies, I was talking about IST armies...

Anyway, we will have to see the Codex first. IST armies may or may not be viable, but again, the SC will need to be evaluated first by the player to determine whether or not they want to make use of him.

This is assuming they even go the way of the Special Character. ISTs or their equivalents could be Troops Choices alongside PAGK for all we know.

EDIT: I mean, Blood Angels didn't get Scouts as Elites just because they kept Tacticals and Assault Squads as Troops.

puma713 wrote:Tyranids anyone?

Apples and oranges.

When the current 'Nid Codex came out Tyranids didn't cease to exist. You could still play Tyranids. Your specific army mightn't be viable, or even legal, any more - but Tyranids were still an active race in the game that could be played with an updated Codex. Things changed, but you didn't lose anything (ie. all the units that had been there were still there). Once the Grey Knight Codex hits, my Daemonhunters army ceases to be (aside from some generic Henchmen, Storm Troopers, and a Special Character to make 'em troops) as everything shifts gears and this becomes not an Inquisitorial Codex with a Chamber Militant, but another Space Marine Codex with some additional units to placate DH players. It's not as bad as when my Lost & The Damned army got Squatted, but it's close. And I get to go through it again when the Witch Hunters Codex gets mutated into Codex: Sisters of Battle.

The irony of it all is that the one Chamber Militant I did get a whole army of (Deathwatch) never even got a Codex in the first place.

alphaomega wrote:
I just really hope GK are unique and not the next bigger, better, harder Space Marine army.

Well, Im sort of expecting them to top SW as far as power/cheese.

I also wouldnt be surprised to see them majorly revamp things and cause a bit of "WTF my army is useless now". Think about it, GW wants to make money...releasing a codex that allows people to use their existing armies with out having to buy anything other than a $30 book wont make them much money. However, a major restructure that invalidates at least 1/2 of a players existing army, causing them to buy many new minis, along with buying the new book...that makes a good chunk of money.

I do feel for you folks a bit, but since I dont use the 40k rules system, and Im only in GK for some of the minis, I dont care at all what they do to the codex.

alphaomega wrote:60 of them.
And a SC means I have to take it to take my army that, is something that I have never been keen on. This is part of why I am thinking that it is going to either fly or sink.

Heh. Ditto. I've got 6 squads as well, all mounted in Valks. I've even converted some to be 'Officiers' (even though they don't really have any), and even made a Storm Trooper Starndard Bearer for fun (not that converting it was fun - headswaps on Storm Trooper models is a PAIN).

And ever time someone says "Well you can just take a special character" I die a little inside. I don't want to take a Special Character. I don't want to need to take a Special Character to play my army. I want to be able to take my own characters to play the army I already have, not someone else's character to keep playing the army I built. If they had decided to scrap the Blood Angels and just said that the Assault Marines could be taken as Troops in a Space Marine army if a BA Special Character was taken as your HQ, do you think people would have been ok with that? Of course not!

So why should we? Because we're 'just' Inquisitorial players, and we're not important?

warboss wrote:

puma713 wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's hard to get excited about a new Codex that will do little but invalidate our existing army (and not in the usual 'change a few things' way, but in a 'this army doesn't exist any more' way).

Tyranids anyone?

not even close, dude. just because that particular army didn't come with any super-power builds doesn't mean that it was invalidated. there is a difference between being having the overall power level nerfed compared with other codicies and having your army *poof* out of existence.

Right, and I wasn't talking about power-levels. I was talking about builds being invalidated. Not to H.B.M.C.'s level, it sounds like, but people that had builds that they had based years of gaming on saw their army disappear. Sure, they still had the models and had to 'adapt or die', but it doesn't mean that they just roll over and say, "Oh well, the army I've become comfortable with isn't even playable. Shucks."

It affects them negatively. Some so much that they stop playing that particular army or stop playing 40K altogether because they can't afford anything new. One guy at our FLGS hasn't been around since the new Tyranid codex dropped and that's all he played. Usually, he was at every event. Now, not even one. Knowing him, it is probably because his build was neutered and he doesn't have the resources to start up again or begin a new army. Granted this is speculation, but it sucks when that happens to anyone, on any level.

i have a feeling that it will just be that Inquisitor lords will unlock ISTs as troops and you won't need to have Cotez or someone new as an HQ to use them(not that they wouldn't be a bad HQ)

you just won't be able to use only a GK Hero as a HQ and have ISTs as troops.

Inquisitors probably won't be an Elite unit anymore though. even the most junior inquisitor can command any Impierial force to do his bidding.


Prehaps there will be 2-3 different HQ inquisitors. different ranks if you will.

Well that'd be nice. I use a lot of Inquisitors in my armies - and yes, they all have background fluff and names and the whole shebang. My Inquisitorial army is a very fluff-driven force. I mean, it has to be. The army's no good on the table - and never was going to be - so there has to be a reason to play it.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Well that'd be nice. I use a lot of Inquisitors in my armies - and yes, they all have background fluff and names and the whole shebang. My Inquisitorial army is a very fluff-driven force. I mean, it has to be. The army's no good on the table - and never was going to be - so there has to be a reason to play it.

Because they are insane and have a story. And few people I have met play them. Sure Knight and Sisters are played but not the Ordos themselves.
And as a long time player, 7 years in August, I have actually won more games with them than anything else, maybe it is the fact that I tend to play radical with assassins and deamonhosts etc but it is my longest standing army by far. My Marines are as generic as can be but only 3 years old, and olny started as I wanted to do an Apocalypse Imperial Crusade.
And yet I reckon it is going to be this that is hurt by this up date.
I have just repainted 43 of my IST and I fear that they are going to be side-lined for Ironically the thing that interested me least in the whole of the Imperium.

Sounds like alot of IST players are gonna be hit pretty hard by this codex, but on the bright side GW seems to be updating all the armys (at least thats the feeling i get).

I'm totally stoked about grey knights getting a new codex and some new models!!!! hopefully i'll be able to afford some soon. the old terminators are the reason i wanted to play warhammer in the first place!!

i hope it doesn't go too bad for yall.

H.B.M.C. wrote:When the current 'Nid Codex came out Tyranids didn't cease to exist. You could still play Tyranids. Your specific army mightn't be viable, or even legal, any more - but Tyranids were still an active race in the game that could be played with an updated Codex. Things changed, but you didn't lose anything (ie. all the units that had been there were still there). Once the Grey Knight Codex hits, my Daemonhunters army ceases to be (aside from some generic Henchmen, Storm Troopers, and a Special Character to make 'em troops) as everything shifts gears and this becomes not an Inquisitorial Codex with a Chamber Militant, but another Space Marine Codex with some additional units to placate DH players. It's not as bad as when my Lost & The Damned army got Squatted, but it's close. And I get to go through it again when the Witch Hunters Codex gets mutated into Codex: Sisters of Battle.

The irony of it all is that the one Chamber Militant I did get a whole army of (Deathwatch) never even got a Codex in the first place.

I understand your concern H.B.M.C (although I haven't experienced it), but to be fair, we don't know what will or won't be viable until we see the Codex. Yes, it's Games-Workshop so we shouldn't hold too much hope, particularly after your past experiences, but I wouldn't say we can say these things with such certainty.

Even so, this sounds like a good idea...

Grey Templar wrote:i have a feeling that it will just be that Inquisitor lords will unlock ISTs as troops and you won't need to have Cotez or someone new as an HQ to use them(not that they wouldn't be a bad HQ)

you just won't be able to use only a GK Hero as a HQ and have ISTs as troops.

Inquisitors probably won't be an Elite unit anymore though. even the most junior inquisitor can command any Impierial force to do his bidding.


Prehaps there will be 2-3 different HQ inquisitors. different ranks if you will.

As much as your entire build going "poof" sucks, Grey Knights pretty much suck atm. They need a complete overhaul, and thats what their getting.

I doubt any units are going to be invalidated, but Grey Knights needed change, and now they are getting it. No point crying over spilt milk guys, its not like you grey knight players didnt get the longest time to play your old armies.

Live and let live, forgive and forget, build a new army, using some of your old units. I welcome this change, so stop complaining!

I'm very interested in this release personally. I love the Inquisition. I'm going to have to get a Grey Knight army on the side along with my Sister of Battle army. I'm a bit concerned with how the whole way the Inquisition is going to work; with the whole commanders unlocking troops. Its a shame that it'll be impossible or more difficult to field Inqusitorial Stormtroopers and Grey Knights/Sisters of Battle; though I guess I can see the reason for it.

Hopefully the Inquisition itself will get some unique units for the Inquisitor.

Grey Templar wrote:

Prehaps there will be 2-3 different HQ inquisitors. different ranks if you will.

Would be sweet if there was an Inq box like the SM commander or CSM lord.

So can we expect some more stealthy pictures to appear in the next White Dwarf?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

alphaomega wrote:I am apprehensive about this codex.

There are a number of us in the same boat.

It's hard to get excited about a new Codex that will do little but invalidate our existing army (and not in the usual 'change a few things' way, but in a 'this army doesn't exist any more' way).

Well I for one am excited.
I mean really, how little do we know about the codex, it's still could have some cool inquisitor characters.

vaatbak wrote:
Well I for one am excited.
I mean really, how little do we know about the codex, it's still could have some cool inquisitor characters.

actually if rumors are to be believed not only are inquisitor armies going to be supported but are a viable option (with humans w/ stormbolters or storm shields being very cheap/good for their cost) so the people moaning about it amuse me, since they are causing themselves undue grief because they are illiterate apparently

Grundz wrote:

vaatbak wrote:
Well I for one am excited.
I mean really, how little do we know about the codex, it's still could have some cool inquisitor characters.

actually if rumors are to be believed not only are inquisitor armies going to be supported but are a viable option (with humans w/ stormbolters or storm shields being very cheap/good for their cost) so the people moaning about it amuse me, since they are causing themselves undue grief because they are illiterate apparently

Adaptus Mechanicus army,

HERE I COME!!!!!

vaatbak wrote:
Adaptus Mechanicus army,

HERE I COME!!!!!

You and me both!
I should have always done a counts-as army, whenever I want to play differently, it counts-as a different codex, supprise! XD

yeah, all the stuff we've heard so far points to all the units in the current daemonhunters codex being useable in the new grey knights codex in some form or other (except for daemonhosts? Not heard much about them actually).

So, I'm sure that IST etc etc will be perfectly viable options. What I'm hoping we don't see is a kind of 'either, or' scenario whereby you can only take GK as troops OR IST as troops or something like that.

Being newish to the game (been collecting GK since last september) I don't know whether anything like this 'either or' thing exists in other codices but I'm quite looking forward to being able to have a mostly GK army supplemented by IST and the various assassins. I think it's important that they make this possible and perhaps, expected. Right now pure GK aren't very flexible tactically at all and I want to play an army that's more flexible and interesting.

Deamon hosts are still in the codex. there still is the restriction that no GKs be present when you have one.


unfortunantly, i heard they still suck.

Does anyone else REALLY HOPE that Grey Knights have some level of resistance to Chaos Daemons Warp-Powers? I for one am pretty sick of having my GK Grandmaster being turned into a Chaos Spawn as easily as a common Guardsman would be.

you are remembering your Aegis rule right?

Grey Templar wrote:you are remembering your Aegis rule right?

the chaos daemon codex is a bit funky... some of the powers are considered psychic while others aren't so he wouldn't get the aegis rule vs them. i suspect he's having problems with that.

right.

Kanluwen wrote:

johnstewartjohn wrote:

CX316 wrote:I was kinda hoping that they'd pull something out of the fluff something along the lines of the Grey Knights being founded by Nathaniel Garro (Flight of the Eisenstein ends with 3 people being suggested as the beginnings of the Inquisition, Garro would make a perfect head of Ordos Malleus, Qruze for Ordos Xenos and Kendel for Ordos Hereticus... or something... meh)

Yeah they pretty much confirm that garro recruits the first grey knights in Garro - Oath of Moment.

Yeah, no it doesn't. It just "confirms" that Garro and the other survivors seem to be the ones who founded the Inquisition(or at least what laid the groundwork to later become the Inquisition).

I doubt we'll see Garro as a special character.

My mistake most be just a coincidence the word grey is used like five times in the audio book.

And no I wasn’t expecting garro to be in the new codex.