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Post by: Kroothawk
Nice to see the first official GW article on Warhammer Forge.
Interesting that:
1.) Ead says the first new models are on the Forge World webste but they aren't
2.) GW chose the bull centaur artwork (no model seen so far), but doesn't even mention Chaos Dwarfs.
3.) That Ead says "Alan Bligh is currently putting the finishing touches to the text" without mentioning Rick Priestley as the author or what made the "finishing touches" necessary 
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Post by: midget_overlord
models are up now!
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Post by: TobyDog
Kroothawk wrote:Nice to see the first official GW article on Warhammer Forge.
Interesting that:
1.) Ead says the first new models are on the Forge World webste but they aren't
2.) GW chose the bull centaur artwork (no model seen so far), but doesn't even mention Chaos Dwarfs.
3.) That Ead says "Alan Bligh is currently putting the finishing touches to the text" without mentioning Rick Priestley as the author or what made the "finishing touches" necessary
On the #3 that is most likely all due to Rick P. leaving the company in Sept- Oct of last year as many now know.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Seems like they are updateing the website right now:
Nurgle Bile Trolls http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer/Warhammer_Monsters/NURGLE-BILE-TROLLS.html
Nurgle Plague Ogres: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer/Warhammer_Monsters/NURGLE-PLAGUE-OGRES.html
"Buy Now" button for a release date of 31st January!
Rest will come pretty soon I guess: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer/Warhammer_Monsters
TobyDog wrote:On the #3 that is most likely all due to Rick P. leaving the company in Sept- Oct of last year as many now know.
Well, therefore the , still unfair.
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Post by: Bloodwin
Kroothawk wrote:
3.) That Ead says "Alan Bligh is currently putting the finishing touches to the text" without mentioning Rick Priestley as the author or what made the "finishing touches" necessary
While I was sad to see Mr Priestley leave I was bemused about it. I can understand his frustration from the design point of view but creating an alternate version of the Warhammer Fantasy world would have been a total nightmare to market especially when Warhammer Fantasy is already struggling. After 30 years I would expect anyone to have moved on from their creations or to have done what George Lucas has done to Star Wars.
I'm not a fan of Nurgle but I do like the style of the new models, they remind me of John Blanche's work and I mean that in a good way. I especially like the ogre who has his stomach open, I could see all kinds of fun going on in there. I like the idea of the old school Chaos army too with bits combined from each of the core Warhammer books. I hope there will be some warped Minotaurs down the road.
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Post by: MagickalMemories
Considering what other stuff I've seen from Forgeworld, these just don't impress me that much.
Eric
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Post by: Destrado
These are pretty "meh". The plastic trolls are better sculpts. And the plastic ogres too, to be fair.
EDIT:
Tamurkhan on Nurgle Dragon
Chaos Dwarf Bullcentaur
Nurgle Art/Concept by Sam Lamont
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Post by: HiveFleet
the toads are cool, but the trolls are just as bad as their metal counterparts, and the ogres are pretty ameturish too....very dissapointing from a high quality company.
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Post by: Necros
Do chaos dwarves put curlers in their beards before bed every night? or are they just naturally curley?
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Post by: agnosto
Well, Hashut likes fire and enough humidity (from steam)can curl anyone's hair....
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Post by: greenskin lynn
Necros wrote:Do chaos dwarves put curlers in their beards before bed every night? or are they just naturally curley?
khaos kurlers
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Post by: Darth Bob
Really great stuff! The Ogres and Trolls would make great Daemon Princes for a 40k Daemons army.  I really like the plaguebearer coming out of this ones back.
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Post by: Alpharius
Why must they continually tease us with Chaos Dwarf stuff?!?
Why can't they just bring them back already?
Please?
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Post by: Andrew1975
Why are these on the warhammer forge page?.
I liked them better when I could get the whole pack for $7, 400% price hike over the life of a mold, GO GW.
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Post by: Chowderhead
That dragon gives me nightmares.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
I think the nurgle sculpting is fairly lazy... Contraversial I know but it's just a bit like someone's gone overboard with plastic cement and spikes. The plague toads resemble something in a solid mould, like a garden ornament.
I am also totally bored of it.
WTH haven't we seen more Slaanesh and Tzeentch sculpts yet? It's always bloody Nugle and Khorne. The bias is very annoying.
I am however, very excited to see the Empire (Marienburg? please please...) land ship and keeping my fingers crossed for a Marienburg army list.
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Post by: Kanluwen
I think you'll be quite happy about that MGS, seeing as how the newsletter mentions: "Forthcoming Warhammer Forge releases will encompass everything from gargantuan monsters such as Bubelos the Toad Dragon, to devastating war machines including the ‘Marienburg’ Land Ship, as well as a range of unique special characters such as Kyzak the Befouled to infantry upgrade kits, of which the elite Blades of Mannan are but one example. We’ll be bringing you more details of all these fantastic miniatures in the coming weeks, so keep an eye on your inbox for the next Warhammer Forge Newsletter!"
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Post by: reds8n
And they've also sent out their first newsletter, thanks to Mamzel Lunahound for this originally
Hi There,
Welcome to the very first Warhammer Forge Newsletter! We’re excited to announce that three brand-new kits are available to pre-order now in this very plague-ridden first newsletter. We also introduce the model design team and share our plans for Warhammer Forge.
All future Warhammer Forge Newsletters will be sent alongside our Forge World Newsletters so you don’t need to lift a finger to ensure that you stay up-to-date on this fantastic new range!
Thanks,
Ead Brown
Warhammer Forge: The Beginning of the Future
Warhammer Forge was first unveiled at Games Day UK back in September 2010, and since then we have been busily adding to the fantastic selection of models that were displayed at the NEC.
We have put together a dedicated Warhammer Forge model design team, who have been hard at work sculpting a range of finely-detailed resin kits to add depth and breadth to the existing Warhammer Fantasy Battle range. These miniatures will be accompanied by a series of lavish expansion books that will explore the darkest corners of the Warhammer World.
The Warhammer Forge team is lead by Mark Bedford, whose Plague Toad Set is the first pre-order in this Newsletter. The other designers in the team are:Steve Whitehead, whose Bile Trolls are the second of this Newsletter’s releases; Edgar Skomoroswki, the latest addition to the Warhammer Forge studio, and whose first projects will be unveiled in forthcoming newsletters, and finally Keith Robertson, who is responsible for the third pre-order kit in this week’s Newsletter: the Plague Ogres.
Mark, Steve, Edgar and Keith are joined by writer Alan Bligh, who is currently finishing the first Warhammer Forge book, Tamurkhan: The Throne of Chaos, which will complete Rick Priestley’s first draft. This tome will be the first in a series of Warhammer Forge expansions, and as you can see from the fantastic cover art, The Throne of Chaos promises to be a dark and sinister exploration of the bloody path that leads to the Dark Gods’ ultimate reward.
The Warhammer Forge range can be found alongside Forge World’s existing Warhammer Monsters and Terrain here, and you can order side-by-side with our Warhammer 40,000 and Specialist Games resin kits.
Warhammer Forge New Releases Available to Pre-Order Now:
Without further ado, here are the very first Warhammer Forge releases, all of which are available to pre-order now for despatch in the week commencing 31st of January.
Nurgle Plague Toads Set
Nurgle Plague ToadsPlague Toads, also called Rot-Eaters and Sewer-Kin, are mutated, pseudo-amphibian sacs of brackish filth and pus whose wide maws can swallow a man whole. Plague Toads are drawn to places of disease and decay, and in such places those versed in the lore of the Plague Father can summon these daemon-vermin and bind them to their will.
ThePlague Toads Set, sculpted by Mark Bedford, contains three different resin Plague Toads, each of which is hideously detailed.
A unit of Plague Toads may be taken as part of any Daemons of Chaos or Warriors of Chaos army, and you can download these experimental rules from the early draft of Tamurkhan: The Throne of Chaos to allow you to use these beasts in your games of Warhammer.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer/NURGLE-PLAGUE-TOADS.html
Nurgle Bile Trolls Set
Nurgle Bile TrollsBile Trolls were tainted in ancient days by consuming the rancid corpses of a defeated Nurgle-worshipping horde, and now suffer a twisted, hellish existence; poised in an eternal struggle between the formidable regenerative powers of their unnatural metabolism and the most potent plague-gifts of the Rot-Lord.
The Bile Troll Set, sculpted by Steve Whitehead, contains three unique Bile Trolls. Each of these full resin monsters boasts a nauseating array of Chaotic detail. The heads and left arms of these hulking brutes are fully interchangeable, allowing a range of different poses and combinations.
The Bile Trolls can be used in any Warriors of Chaos army, and as an exclusive advance preview of what is to come in Tamurkhan: The Throne of Chaos, we’ve managed to acquire these experimental rules, courtesy of Alan Bligh.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/NURGLE-BILE-TROLLS.html
Nurgle Plague Ogres Set
Nurgle Plague OgresPlague Ogres are vile and malformed hulks: their natural resistance to mutation is completely overcome by the pox-ridden favours of their foul patron.
The Plague Ogres Set, sculpted by Keith Robertson, is a full resin kit containing three individual Plague Ogres, armed with a variety of deadly weaponry and riddled with cankerous mutations. The heads and weapons of these Ogres are fully interchangeable across the three different bodies that are supplied.
The Plague Ogres are perfect for use in any Warriors of Chaos army as a unit of Ogres with the Mark of Nurgle, and will also feature in the forthcoming Tamurkhan: The Throne of Chaos book.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer/Warhammer_Monsters/NURGLE-PLAGUE-OGRES.html
More Warhammer Forge Releases Coming Soon…
Forthcoming Warhammer Forge releases will encompass everything from gargantuan monsters such as Bubelos the Toad Dragon, to devastating war machines including the ‘Marienburg’ Land Ship, as well as a range of unique special characters such as Kyzak the Befouled to infantry upgrade kits, of which the elite Blades of Mannan are but one example. We’ll be bringing you more details of all these fantastic miniatures in the coming weeks, so keep an eye on your inbox for the next Warhammer Forge Newsletter!
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Post by: Howard A Treesong
Andrew1975 wrote:Why are these on the warhammer forge page?.
I liked them better when I could get the whole pack for $7, 400% price hike over the life of a mold, GO GW.
They aren't even that interesting, there is much sexier stuff from the Realm of Chaos era.
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Post by: aurelion
I like the models, even if Nurgle isnt my flavour of chaos. I am really looking forward seeing the chaos dwarf stuff they plan to relase. Not to talk about all the other warhammer forge stuff 
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Kanluwen wrote:including the ‘Marienburg’ Land Ship, the elite Blades of Mannan .
Thank you very much... time to start auctioning a kidney then... 
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Post by: alphaomega
Elite blades of Mannan?
Isn't he the Old World god of the sea?
That could be interesting.
As for the Chaos stuff. Meh.
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Post by: Calibanite Lion
I like these very much, even though i dont play fantasy i am very tempted to pick up that plague dragon at some point
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Post by: Mewiththeface
I FREAKING love that dragon. Easily one of the best sculpts to come from Forge World.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
alphaomega wrote:Elite blades of Mannan?
Isn't he the Old World god of the sea?
That could be interesting.
As for the Chaos stuff. Meh.
Yep, and he's the patron god of Marienburg.
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Post by: alphaomega
MeanGreenStompa wrote:alphaomega wrote:Elite blades of Mannan?
Isn't he the Old World god of the sea?
That could be interesting.
As for the Chaos stuff. Meh.
Yep, and he's the patron god of Marienburg.
That could be very interesting from an Empire player/collects point of view.
Might be worth picking up after all 
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Post by: Gadge
I am loving the new models. Would be good to see some of the ogres and trolls painted up, would be able to see the details better.
Really looking forward to the upgrade packs, really hope the do something for every army (Bretonnia please please....
)
Am not a big chaos fan, but, a bit more diversity in the modle range and world is a massive plus for me. Looking forward to more releases
Gadge
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Post by: brettz123
Toads look cool but the trolls and ogres are blah..... Now that dude on the nurgle beast looks really cool.
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Post by: Murdock129
Personally I love the Trolls and Ogres, though Toads are best, I still plan on getting all three
Though what I'm most looking forward to is those Chaos Dwarfs still. Also I wish they'd put something big, like the Toad Dragon or the Marienburg Landship up for pre-order too, but the wait'll be worth it no doubt
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Post by: nels1031
Pretty excited about this stuff!
Only thing I plan on putchasing immediately is a single plague toad (to pull my beastmen shaman chariot) and the book. Maybe a troll or two as unit filler for my gors and ungor hordes, to give them a more menacing look.
I'm genuinely curious about the book though, from what I gathered the overall plot (of the 3 or 4 book series) that was discussed at the Games Days was borderline apocalyptic, killing long time special characters, running rampant throughout the warhammer world, advancing the game worlds plot and bringing about the end times. And that was supposedly one of the reasons for Rick Priestly's leaving/canned, as it progessed the world that "management" wanted to stay static. I hope it doesn't turn into a rehash of the Storm of Chaos story. Only dude that died in that was Valten, who oddly enough got a series of 3 or 4 decent miniatures dedicated to him prior to his death. WTF was that? Anyway, my main worry is that the plot will get dumbed down. But on the other hand, the replacement author did a nice job with the Badab books, so I'm cautiously optimistic that it will be an interesting story. Fingers crossed.
Looking forward to some more chaos dwarf goodies!
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Post by: Quintinus
I like how there is a picture but no actual mention of Chaos Dwarfs.
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Post by: plastictrees
The Bull-Centaur also appears to be laughing at us.
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Post by: Platuan4th
plastictrees wrote:The Bull-Centaur also appears to be laughing at us.
He's anticipating the money pile.
Also, he finds the foam coming from our mouths high-larious.
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Post by: aurelion
Anybody else noticed that the first pre-order models are actually "cheap" ?
Normal chaos trolls cost 3*13,80 £ = 41,40 £ (same for the ogres)
FW plague trolls or ogres cost (for 3) 43 £
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Post by: Alpharius
Platuan4th wrote:plastictrees wrote:The Bull-Centaur also appears to be laughing at us.
He's anticipating the money pile.
Also, he finds the foam coming from our mouths high-larious.
Too true - on all counts.
I really need to start saving NOW for all the Empire and Chaos Dwarf stuff I will soon be 'forced' to buy...
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Post by: Bloodwin
I cant help seeing those toads as a three stage animation from left to right. Also note the toads are demons and 40k has demon armies.... btw does anyone know what size base they are on? 40 or 50 mm?
p.s. re those chaos warriors - does anyone else find it suspicious that the recent reissues are almost all Jes Goodwin sculpts?
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
MeanGreenStompa wrote:I think the nurgle sculpting is fairly lazy... Contraversial I know but it's just a bit like someone's gone overboard with plastic cement and spikes. The plague toads resemble something in a solid mould, like a garden ornament.
I am also totally bored of it.
WTH haven't we seen more Slaanesh and Tzeentch sculpts yet? It's always bloody Nugle and Khorne. The bias is very annoying.
I am however, very excited to see the Empire (Marienburg? please please...) land ship and keeping my fingers crossed for a Marienburg army list.
Aye I'd agree, Nurgle especially is becoming very old hat at FW, and I'd assume it's picked for the same reason I have half a Nurgle CSM army, as its very forgiving to sculpt.
Hopefully more Chaos God love for Tzeentch will happen, but I do think, like with the Imperium in 40K, the Empire will see a lot of love over Warhammer Forge's run of models, and I'll be keeping an eye on stuff they bring out.
One good model or unit could be the kickstart to me returning to the Empire. Upgrade packs for certain States would be of special interest for sure.
Regardless, nice to see it finally getting a move on and putting models out there.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Considering each book is supposed to be focusing on a specific "front" of a worldwide Chaos Invasion(with each Power's forces attacking a specific area)...
Slaanesh and Tzeentch are supposed to be getting alot of love.
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Post by: supagigashoota
i could use them in my ork army
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Post by: Da Boss
I hope it's not too focused on a narrow selection of factions.
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Post by: cgage00
I heard the chaos dwarf line was all but scraped.
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Post by: Mordoskul
Oh Hashut, is that a Bull Centaur!?
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Post by: Orinoco
I do like the dude on the nurgle monster. with a few mods it would make a great lizardman mount for a carnosaur. where does the picture come from? I dont see it on the fw site or pricing.
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Post by: Alpharius
cgage00 wrote:I heard the chaos dwarf line was all but scraped.
Heard where?
Last we heard, FW wasn't 'allowed' to do blocks of infantry, as GW might someday (hopefully!) re-inrtroduce them, so instead they will be focusing on war machines and, apparently?, Bull Centaur cavalry (although more likely just a Special Character).
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Post by: Kroothawk
The original plan for the books covered all 4 Chaos Gods and a good selection of contrahents. We will see how much of that survived Rick's departure.
BTW the first experimental rules are up:
Plague Toad: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/p/Plague-Toad.pdf
Bile Trolls: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/b/Bile-Trolls.pdf
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Post by: Kanluwen
Alpharius wrote:cgage00 wrote:I heard the chaos dwarf line was all but scraped.
Heard where?
Last we heard, FW wasn't 'allowed' to do blocks of infantry, as GW might someday (hopefully!) re-inrtroduce them, so instead they will be focusing on war machines and, apparently?, Bull Centaur cavalry (although more likely just a Special Character).
It wasn't even so much that FW wasn't "allowed" to do blocks of infantry, so much as Forge World couldn't feasibly think of a way to make any form of affordable "army" in the sense of scope and scale that WHFB is moving towards in 8th Edition.
They would have had to have cut down on details for cost, or just done conversion kits for the plastic Dwarf kits(which would, imo, have been a far bigger copout than just releasing warmachines to go along with the Warriors of Chaos).
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Post by: Kroothawk
cgage00 wrote:I heard the chaos dwarf line was all but scraped.
Grimstonefire wrote:Between various comments I've heard I'm fairly hopeful that by the end of the releases for the second book there should be enough Chaos Dwarf models to build a full army.
That's not to say that they would be specifically designed as such (for instance taking blunderbussers off a wagon and making a unit etc), or that they would actually have a stand alone list in the second book.
IF by the second book there are enough models that people could theoretically make core units, and some lord/ hero choices, I will be organising a campaign to get people to email loads of times and respecfully ask that WF put them all into a single pdf list on their own (with the proviso that all the rules to use them are in the 1st/2nd books and that it may not be balanced as it was not designed to be a stand alone list).
It's not exactly like they actually need to have models to represent all entries in the list anyway. They could put standard CD warriors in for instance.
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Post by: Orinoco
Kanluwen wrote:Alpharius wrote:cgage00 wrote:I heard the chaos dwarf line was all but scraped.
Heard where?
Last we heard, FW wasn't 'allowed' to do blocks of infantry, as GW might someday (hopefully!) re-inrtroduce them, so instead they will be focusing on war machines and, apparently?, Bull Centaur cavalry (although more likely just a Special Character).
It wasn't even so much that FW wasn't "allowed" to do blocks of infantry, so much as Forge World couldn't feasibly think of a way to make any form of affordable "army" in the sense of scope and scale that WHFB is moving towards in 8th Edition.
They would have had to have cut down on details for cost, or just done conversion kits for the plastic Dwarf kits(which would, imo, have been a far bigger copout than just releasing warmachines to go along with the Warriors of Chaos).
I'm not sure how cutting details would reduce the cost of manufacturing for a kit. They do deathkorps already, for example and that's well detailed etc.
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Post by: Kanluwen
With Death Korps it's a hugely different story though.
People would buy Death Korps even if there wasn't an army list to be used.
With Chaos Dwarves? I, personally, don't see that happening.
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Post by: George Spiggott
Given that the Plague Toads are Daemons, I wonder If they'll ever appear in 40k.
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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch
While I do enjoy some of the Nurgle Models by Forgeworld, primarily the Death Guard kits, and alot of the Khornate stuff is cool. I would like most others like to see Tzeentch and Slaanesh get some attention.
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Post by: Alpharius
Kanluwen wrote:With Death Korps it's a hugely different story though.
People would buy Death Korps even if there wasn't an army list to be used.
With Chaos Dwarves? I, personally, don't see that happening.
Yes, we understand how you, personally, don't see it as you seem to enjoy peeing in the cornflakes of everyone that would like to see it!
That, of course, doesn't mean it won't happen!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
The Kan has spoken!
We are not allowed to have Chaos Dwarves.
This matter is closed!
All hail the Kan, for he is mighty and wise and knows exactly what we should and should not have even better than we do.
*salutes the Kan*
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Post by: Kanluwen
Alpharius wrote:Kanluwen wrote:With Death Korps it's a hugely different story though.
People would buy Death Korps even if there wasn't an army list to be used.
With Chaos Dwarves? I, personally, don't see that happening.
Yes, we understand how you, personally, don't see it as you seem to enjoy peeing in the cornflakes of everyone that would like to see it!
That, of course, doesn't mean it won't happen!
No, I don't see it happening from a purely financial aspect.
Look at how hard it is to get people to accept the Imperial Armour army lists like Elysians/Death Korps. And bear in mind that both of those are just minor divergences from the standard Codex list. Now, keep that in your head while you think about this next part.
Chaos Dwarves? They would exclusively be one of those army lists.
Death Korps/Elysians both have a financial base and proven potential interested base(in Imperial Guard players, who can use the majority of the models produced without needing to use those army lists). Chaos Dwarves have no cushion like that to fall back on and pad their sales with.
Personal prediction:
Best case scenario? Warhammer 8th Edition gets an "officially published" Chaos Dwarf list, and Forge World produces models.
Worst case scenario? Forge World does a limited range of Chaos Dwarf stuff now as a measuring stick to gauge interest, and when "Warriors of Chaos" are redone the book is converted to "Followers of the Dark Gods" and Chaos Dwarves are packaged in alongside the rest of the mortal followers of the Dark Gods. Automatically Appended Next Post: Bear in mind, Alph: I'm not saying it will never ever ever ever happen.
I'm saying that I can't see it happening right now, especially with how crummy 8th Edition has been doing so far.
Why would GW take a risk on that?
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Post by: Alpharius
They really have dropped the ball with WFB 8th, haven't they?
It hasn't seemed to bring in the new players, and it has, apparently, alienated a lot of the veterans, and veterans and older players seem to make up the bulk of WFB players, in my experience!
Not good!
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
I saw the Chaos Dwarf Juggernaut, an entirely metal kit with a small howdah/wheeled tower pushed by a single dwarf centaur, sell for £1130 on ebay.
Don't ask me why, the model is ugly as sin imo.
But the market is certainly there.
I do think they would be better served creating a few pieces for each existing army though and then, once Warhammer Forge is established and perhaps the economy is a mite improved, then release the Forge only armies, like the Chaos Dwarves... and perhaps the Fimir... and then maybe the Nipponese...
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Who wrote 8th Ed? I know they all wrote it - such a big book can't exactly have one writer - but who is credited with the main writing of it?
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Post by: Laughing Man
Ooooh, me likee the dragon. Shame it makes my wallet cry like a school girl.
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Post by: Ehsteve
I can't imagine how anyone is supposed to haul around a Plague Dragon, and I can see some issue in the keeping the tongue intact.
The Plague toads do have their charm, but I am mighty disappointed with the trolls and ogres. The issue with Fantasy if that it is imperitive to sacrifice detail for the ability to fit side-by-side on rank-and-file models. The issue with trolls and ogres is that they are quite tall models and as such don't have a lot of room to pose their arms and still perfectly fit base-to-base. I just don't get my usual urge to empty my bank account to get these models, which is my usual reaction to any new FW release.
I would love to see maybe in the future the Lizardmen getting at least one large model from the Forge
*crosses fingers for thunder lizard*
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Post by: kevlar'o
How fully they will release some other stuff soon, chaos is great but come on more Bretonnians, well terrian anyways.
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Post by: Kroothawk
H.B.M.C. wrote:The Kan has spoken!
We are not allowed to have Chaos Dwarves.
This matter is closed!
All hail the Kan, for he is mighty and wise and knows exactly what we should and should not have even better than we do.
*salutes the Kan*
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
H.B.M.C. wrote:Who wrote 8th Ed? I know they all wrote it - such a big book can't exactly have one writer - but who is credited with the main writing of it?
I thought it was Ward?
Sure I saw something about 'him moving onto Warhammer after his successful War of the Ring release' type spiel in White Dwarf just before 8th came out.
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Post by: Earthbeard
More lovely forgeworld stuff, especially nurgle is always a bonus for me
Debating which unit to buy first is much harder of course 
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Post by: Baragash
For those hating on the Nurgle models, the 40k ones are much nicer in the flesh than the pictures show IMO, so they should possibly be given some benefit of the doubt.
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Post by: Lexx
Those trolls and ogres are great. If this level of detail is a taste of what's to come I'm really looking forward to their future releases.
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Post by: Murdock129
Well I for one am still sure that at some point the Chaos Dwarfs will be back as a proper army, ignoring Kan's negative view of them (and ignoring Kan in general)
So I intend to start up a chaos dwarf army once the models start coming out but am thinking MeanGreenStompa's idea does sound good, there are several armies that could make good WF based armies such as Chaos Dwarfs, Fimir, Nippon, Araby, Dogs of War, Ind etc
The Juggernaut and the Ass-Cannon especially go for extraordinary prices on eBay, and there's a pretty big market for Chaos Dwarfs, especially with all the interest generated by what they've put out so far
And like Steve said earlier, I hope they make a Thunder Lizard, even if it kinda goes against fluff (which can always be re-written in little cases like this) it would be an amazing model
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Post by: Kanluwen
Murdock129 wrote:Well I for one am still sure that at some point the Chaos Dwarfs will be back as a proper army, ignoring Kan's negative view of them (and ignoring Kan in general)
Where did I say anything that could be construed as a "negative view of Chaos Dwarfs"?
I like Chaos Dwarfs. They've got a fun background, amounting to them being the WHFB "arms dealers" and "mad alchemical geniuses".
Will Chaos Dwarfs be back at some point as a "proper army"?
Maybe. But I wouldn't hold my breath for "Warhammer Fantasy: Chaos Dwarfs" as its own army book. You'd likely see them getting a full army list in a revamped Warriors of Chaos book or potentially in an Ogre Kingdoms book(less likely, but plausible).
This entire release will likely serve as a yardstick for the interest in Chaos Dwarfs. If they do anywhere near as well as people are claiming they'll do, expect to see them fully resurgent in the next WoC book.
So I intend to start up a chaos dwarf army once the models start coming out but am thinking MeanGreenStompa's idea does sound good, there are several armies that could make good WF based armies such as Chaos Dwarfs, Fimir, Nippon, Araby, Dogs of War, Ind etc
I'm really skeptical of WF creating entire armies, simply because of the issue of "scope" that WHFB 8th brought about.
WHFB 8th moved us towards large sized(numerically) units fielded in large amounts as a basic rule of thumb.
If we see entire armies(as in full army choices), I'd be relatively confident in saying they'll likely utilize resin/plastic hybrid kits or be composed of large sized creatures ala the Ogre Kingdoms.
The Juggernaut and the Ass-Cannon especially go for extraordinary prices on eBay, and there's a pretty big market for Chaos Dwarfs, especially with all the interest generated by what they've put out so far
The Juggernaut and the Ass-Cannon go for extraordinary prices on eBay because they were released shortly before Chaos Dwarfs ceased to exist as an army. There's a limited number of them out there, and most of the ones posted on eBay are either recastings of the originals or the originals constantly recirculating.
The "pretty big market for Chaos Dwarfs" remains to be seen, quite frankly. Mantic's sales of the Abyssal Dwarfs will be a decent yardstick though.
And like Steve said earlier, I hope they make a Thunder Lizard, even if it kinda goes against fluff (which can always be re-written in little cases like this) it would be an amazing model
What goes against the fluff for a Thunder Lizard? I can't think of anything against 'em.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Kanluwen wrote:
The Juggernaut and the Ass-Cannon go for extraordinary prices on eBay because they were released shortly before Chaos Dwarfs ceased to exist as an army. There's a limited number of them out there, and most of the ones posted on eBay are either recastings of the originals or the originals constantly recirculating.
Incorrect young one.
The Juggernaut was released way wayyyyyy back before the big hat chaos dwarves. It was around the same time the whirlwind and tenderiser (those wheelbarrows of doom..) were made. It was released about the time of the first gen chaos dwarf crossbow models with the plastic crossbows.
http://www.solegends.com/citcat912/c20290rcchdwfwms-m.htm
As to recastings, the thing is so damned rare that I doubt they are. I suspect that it really is a case of only a handful remaining. Recasts would, to my mind, have driven the price down from over £1k I suspect.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Kanluwen wrote:
With Chaos Dwarves? I, personally, don't see that happening.
I'm buying the Chaos Dwarf models to speak with my wallet and paint. If I get an army list, or even an actual army, out of it, that's just a bonus.
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Post by: Kanluwen
MeanGreenStompa wrote:Kanluwen wrote:
The Juggernaut and the Ass-Cannon go for extraordinary prices on eBay because they were released shortly before Chaos Dwarfs ceased to exist as an army. There's a limited number of them out there, and most of the ones posted on eBay are either recastings of the originals or the originals constantly recirculating.
Incorrect young one.
The Juggernaut was released way wayyyyyy back before the big hat chaos dwarves. It was around the same time the whirlwind and tenderiser (those wheelbarrows of doom..) were made. It was released about the time of the first gen chaos dwarf crossbow models with the plastic crossbows.
http://www.solegends.com/citcat912/c20290rcchdwfwms-m.htm
Stand corrected then! That was the info I was given by the local Chaos Dwarf player who is always complaining he can never find the Juggernaut/Ass-Cannon.
As to recastings, the thing is so damned rare that I doubt they are. I suspect that it really is a case of only a handful remaining. Recasts would, to my mind, have driven the price down from over £1k I suspect.
True enough, but at the same time: It'd be dumb of the recasters to flood the market, don't you think?
If it were me, I'd put out a recast once or twice every few years and maximize potential profit.
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Post by: Murdock129
What goes against the fluff for a Thunder Lizard? I can't think of anything against 'em.
Well there's the fact their so huge the model would be as big as me, and that they can't be controlled by the Lizardmen or Slann due to their size and lack of intelligence. It'd probably have to be a pygmy Thunder Lizard if it was made
If we see entire armies(as in full army choices), I'd be relatively confident in saying they'll likely utilize resin/plastic hybrid kits or be composed of large sized creatures ala the Ogre Kingdoms
This is possible though I'm not sure about your idea of them refusing to make many little units so we'll ahve to agree to differ here
The "pretty big market for Chaos Dwarfs" remains to be seen, quite frankly. Mantic's sales of the Abyssal Dwarfs will be a decent yardstick though.
This is true, though there's still I'm optimistic about the market for them as I've heard a lot of interest both online and at my FLGS
Also I meant a negative view on their chances
Stand corrected then! That was the info I was given by the local Chaos Dwarf player who is always complaining he can never find the Juggernaut/Ass-Cannon.
No offense but I choose to believe the numerous people online, and the information I'm given from a lot of people rather than one second hand piece of information from one 'local Chaos Dwarf player'
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Post by: Mewiththeface
Well, the market may not lay within the army but within the models. There wasn't a very good market for dark eldar but with the release of super sexy models, it was one of GW's big sellers of the year. SO super sexy models could easily raise interest a lot more. Me personally, I hate fantasy dwarfs in every story but that bull-centaur looks so awesome I would love to have that model.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Murdock129 wrote:What goes against the fluff for a Thunder Lizard? I can't think of anything against 'em.
Well there's the fact their so huge the model would be as big as me, and that they can't be controlled by the Lizardmen or Slann due to their size and lack of intelligence. It'd probably have to be a pygmy Thunder Lizard if it was made
Or we may see something far cooler incorporated in lieu of a Thunder Lizard.
Isn't Kroq-Gar's Carnosaur supposed to be a juvenile?
Cause I see some potential for something awesome there...
If we see entire armies(as in full army choices), I'd be relatively confident in saying they'll likely utilize resin/plastic hybrid kits or be composed of large sized creatures ala the Ogre Kingdoms
This is possible though I'm not sure about your idea of them refusing to make many little units so we'll have to agree to differ here
Again:
The problem isn't "them refusing to make many little units". They've done that, and succeeded quite well in doing so, for 40k.
The problem is that making "many little units" means they'd have to work within constraints set forth by currently existing army books. They don't usually make infantry that aren't able to be representative of a currently existing Codex unit. Look at the Space Marine Infantry they've been doing recently, or the Krieg/Elysians. The weapons, etc are quite easily recognizable as the "standard Codex" stuff, with no real wackiness for counts-as.
With Chaos Dwarfs, Fimir, and Dogs of War...they would need an unequivocally " GW published"(Forge World's rules are heavily debated upon the "legality of the lists", especially in tournament heavy atmospheres) rules set to succeed in the miniatures sales. Add in that you're going to be talking about Forge World prices for units that are going to be roughly 20-30 models for your basic infantry and you're looking at nigh on $100+ for a single unit.
I can't see that kind of thing doing too well, can you?
The "pretty big market for Chaos Dwarfs" remains to be seen, quite frankly. Mantic's sales of the Abyssal Dwarfs will be a decent yardstick though.
This is true, though there's still I'm optimistic about the market for them as I've heard a lot of interest both online and at my FLGS
Also I meant a negative view on their chances
Fair play then. I have nothing, personally, against Chaos Dwarfs. They're neat, and they've purposely kept them going in the background because of the "neat" factor.
I just have a hard time getting hopes up for a release, simply because the interest online and from FLGSes never matches up with the sales of the actual products. Keep your hopes low and there's no disappointment!
Stand corrected then! That was the info I was given by the local Chaos Dwarf player who is always complaining he can never find the Juggernaut/Ass-Cannon.
No offense but I choose to believe the numerous people online, and the information I'm given from a lot of people rather than one second hand piece of information from one 'local Chaos Dwarf player'
No offense taken. Chaos Dwarfs were hitting their heyday while I was just barely in middle school and hadn't been properly introduced to Warhammer yet. I'm going off information given to me by a Chaos Dwarf player who's sitting on some 5k+ points of the pointy hatted buggers. Figured it was reliable.
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Post by: Alpharius
Well, everyone has their opinion on them, as they should!, and their local scene will obviously color that opinion.
I am a bit anxious about GW using FW's upcoming CD releases as a test bed for overall interest though!
The FW CD pieces are bound to be ridiculously expensive given what we've seen so far.
A Land Train and other large siege engines?
Yeah, they will NOT be cheap...
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Post by: Murdock129
Chaos Dwarfs could be counts as for Dwarfs or WoC, and Fimir could be counts as for Ogre Kingdoms
Lol, I guess keeping my hopes low is the sensible choice, though I prefer to keep my hopes up anyway
A Pygmy Thunder Lizard seems to be the most popular idea for Lizardmen ATM, but yeah, a larger Carnosaur type thing would be pretty cool, though it'd probably need a howdah since it'd be too big for just one Saurus.
But yeah, Lizardmen have basically every single Dinosaur in existence as a possibility, and some things like Larger Pterodactyls, Ankylosaurus and Proper Stegasaurs aren't explored in Warhammer. A Coatl would be cool too
The FW CD pieces are bound to be ridiculously expensive given what we've seen so far.
I'm optimistic about the prices of Warhammer Forge stuff based on their trolls, three stone trolls or chaos trolls is £41.40, only £1.60 less than three Bile Trolls, same with three Chaos Ogres compared to Plague Ogres
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Post by: Kanluwen
Murdock129 wrote:Chaos Dwarfs could be counts as for Dwarfs or WoC, and Fimir could be counts as for Ogre Kingdoms
Maybe, but with Chaos Dwarfs as counts as for Dwarfs or WoC, you run the whole gamut of potential reasons for people to cry about your army.
Dwarfs: "Your army has too many counts as! I can't keep track of everything!" being the biggest one I can see happening
WoC: "Really, so now you have models that can use cover that they normally couldn't! CONVENIENT!"(Whilst it may not be true...I have seen someone complain about something like that before in regards to a conversion my gaming group had. Dark Elf Hydra that had been modeled to be slinking through a swamp for its base, the majority of it still being visible, just the very bottom of the legs having been cut off and the model having water effects sculpted on there to look like swamp debris. The model's footprint, LoS, etc didn't change).
Lol, I guess keeping my hopes low is the sensible choice, though I prefer to keep my hopes up anyway
It's your hopes' funeral!
A Pygmy Thunder Lizard seems to be the most popular idea for Lizardmen ATM, but yeah, a larger Carnosaur type thing would be pretty cool, though it'd probably need a howdah since it'd be too big for just one Saurus.
Who says anyone needs to ride it? Just let that sucker run wild, and get out of his way!
But yeah, Lizardmen have basically every single Dinosaur in existence as a possibility, and some things like Larger Pterodactyls, Ankylosaurus and Proper Stegasaurs aren't explored in Warhammer. A Coatl would be cool too
Wait, there are BIGGER Stegadons? That's...scary.
The FW CD pieces are bound to be ridiculously expensive given what we've seen so far.
I'm optimistic about the prices of Warhammer Forge stuff based on their trolls, three stone trolls or chaos trolls is £41.40, only £1.60 less than three Bile Trolls, same with three Chaos Ogres compared to Plague Ogres
With the FW CD pieces, it's going to depend on how big they actually are. I've seen guesstimates that they're around the size of a Leman Russ or so, make of that what you will.
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Post by: Raxor
George Spiggott wrote:Given that the Plague Toads are Daemons, I wonder If they'll ever appear in 40k.
Why wait for rules? I think these things would make perfect stands in for beasts of Nurghoul.
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Post by: agnosto
I think that what the nay-sayers are failing to note is that the Chaos Dwarf player community has something that none of the other lost/forgotten/never had/partial armies don't have. A vibrant and very active community, not to mention a GT legal army book that has been extensively play tested.
It would be extremely easy to bring the CD's back as GW would only have to make/update a few models.
-CD Warriors
-CD Blunderbusses
-CD Bull Centaurs
-Characters and 2 monsters
-Hobgoblin warriors
-Two pieces of artillery
The thing with CDs is that they rely heavily on slaves to take the brunt of damage in combat which any player can pick up from O&G, Skaven, Empire, etc. in abundance.
I would hate to see it happen but they could even do away with Hobgoblins and just make the players use O&G in place of them to save even further on costs.
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Post by: Murdock129
With the FW CD pieces, it's going to depend on how big they actually are. I've seen guesstimates that they're around the size of a Leman Russ or so, make of that what you will.
I'm guessing about double to size of a Steam Tank, so assuming they keep the same not overly expensive idea (at least with the Skullcracker and Land Train) I'm expecting about £60-£80 for the main parts, plus about £40-£60 for the carriages and Magma Cannon. Just a guess though
I believe there are bigger Stegadons, but what I meant by Stegasaurs is the fact that Stegadons, despite their name, are based on Triceratops, not Stegasaurs
TBH I don't think letting it run wild would be a good idea, since it's likely to savage your own army, maybe having a Slann to mind control it would work, but I think a howdah would be better
Yeah the counts as WoC and Dwarfs thing could be annoying, but TBH I'm willing to put up with whining myself
Something like either of these for a Coatl would be beautiful IMO:
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/HamilG/Wrath%20of%20Nagash%20campaign%20weekend/IMGP0223.jpg
http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp104/ironbriar/Quatl.jpg
I like the idea of having like this http://warphammer.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/lizardmen-ship.jpg as well, on land similar to how the Thunder Lizard would be, along with maybe an Arcadon
But the Lizardmen model I most badly want is a Valkyrie sized Terradon
Also Agnosto
-CD Warriors
-CD Blunderbusses
-CD Bull Centaurs
-Engineer, Greater Taurus and Sorcerer
-Hobgoblin warriors (And Wolf Riders)
All these are rumored and several have concept art already, also they've made the Magma Cannon and the artillery on the train
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Post by: Kanluwen
They do have concept art, but rumor has it that the Warriors and Blunderbusses along with the Hobgoblin Warriors/Wolf Riders have been put on the backburner for the time being. Likely depending on how the sales go
With a giant Carnosaur, I think controlling it would be the worst possible idea. Why rein in something that can bring down a dragon or a giant? Let it run wild and hold a flank on its own!
I don't think we'll see a Stegosaur though. GW's stance is basically to "fantasy-ize" the real-life inspiration, rather than just do the RL inspiration in full. Tends to work better.
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Post by: Murdock129
I haven't heard that rumor, I just heard they were always gonna be coming quite a bit later
Well I'd rein it in so it doesn't start eating our own troops, it is a wild animal after all
That is true about the Stegasaur, though I still think Pterodactyls, Giant Ankylosaurs and Coatl would all be great, and there are pleny of wacky dinosaurs you could stitch together to make some great fantasy-ized monsters
BTW on a couple of other armies, what kind of big things could Bretonnia or Beastmen have? Or Tomb Kings and Vampire Counts for that matter, they all seem to lack anything that would be huge and not either a bigger copy of something they already have or just a terrible idea?
I mean some armies like Lizardmen have plenty of ideas, Orcs are another with stuff like a larger Aracnarok or Giant Squig-Beasts or ridiculous huge contraptions, but some lack many ideas, at least taht I can think of
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Post by: Kanluwen
I'd assume Bretonnia will get some kind of bigger trebuchet that fires knights.
Or wooden badgers!
Beastmen could get a bigger-ized Beast Giant or some kind of elemental monstrosity.
Tomb Kings would likely get some kind of huge construct with Priests animating it. Think a Scorpion or Ushtabi...but bigger.
Vampire Counts could likely get a giant Zombie Dragon or if they decide to...they could probably do something like the Abominations from Warcraft.
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Post by: Murdock129
I do believe Warhammer Forge isn't meant to be making larger versions of GW Models, so no Zombie Dragon. Bretonnia could have something like a Wooden Horse/Badger/Whatever with Archers inside which rolls along from something pushing it.
Beastmen, Beast Giants and Elemental Monstrosity thing is a good idea, huge Chaos Spawns too I guess
The Tomb Construct would work well, probably more like a Ushtabi or a Bone Giant then a Scorpion. I was personally thinking maybe a Sphinx? Or giant Scarabs? (Plague Toad Size)
Vampire Counts, the abomination thing wouldn't be much bigger than an ogre, a Zombie Giant could work and perhaps a huge Wraith thing. A Werewolf would be cool, but not that huge
How about High Elves? The only thing I could think of was a Phoenix, but I'm pretty sure no one would like that
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Post by: Kanluwen
The GW/ FW thing seems to be that they're not meant to be making alternative versions of standard GW models. So we won't be seeing a box of full resin Cadian Shock Troopers, but we will see conversion kits meshing with the standard ones.
Nothing about the size! Plus the Zombie Dragon is in dire need of an alternative at this point. That thing is older than my youngest brother!
High Elves would likely just get a "fully awakened" Dragon. Remember, the ones we see in the army book?
They're the youngest of the Caledorian dragons, and the only ones who can be awakened at this time. They're a pale comparison to their forebears, who could demolish whole swathes of Greater Daemons at the height of their power.
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Post by: Murdock129
Ah, my mistake, that explains it
I'm honestly most looking forward to (apart from everythign Chaos Dwarf) the Orcs and Goblins myself
Hmm, that is true, plus there is already the Fire Dragon for High Elves
Also you said your not so sure about WF only armies, but do you think they may do things that aren't in any of the current armies? Like Albion warriors/giants, Fimir or Araby Elephants?
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Post by: Kanluwen
Only time will tell, frankly. We're barely into their first week of really "existing".
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Post by: Acardia
As neat as these releases look, I doubt that I will be purchasing either of them. I don't have any nurgle focus in my daemons due to the lack of plastic pleague bearers, which at least for me hurts sales of this releases.
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Post by: Darkmoonlight
already ordered my plague toads but gona be using them as beasts of nurgle for my 40k army!
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Post by: RiTides
Mewiththeface wrote:Well, the market may not lay within the army but within the models. There wasn't a very good market for dark eldar but with the release of super sexy models, it was one of GW's big sellers of the year. SO super sexy models could easily raise interest a lot more. Me personally, I hate fantasy dwarfs in every story but that bull-centaur looks so awesome I would love to have that model.
Yes  . I have never been a fan of dwarves of any flavor, but these Forge pics make them rather tempting...
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Post by: Gridge
MeanGreenStompa wrote:Kanluwen wrote:including the ‘Marienburg’ Land Ship, the elite Blades of Mannan .
Thank you very much... time to start auctioning a kidney then...
I'll pay you $5 for that kidney sight unseen. Not that I need one but you never know when it may come in handy. As for the models, I like them but what I'm most excited about is the fact that there will be rules for combining the 3 chaos factions at some point. I may even dust off my old Nurgle army when this happens.
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Post by: Wehrkind
I definitely would be interested in centaurs. I really want to make an all cavalry WoC list, or possibly Centaur-bretonians. With little satyr peasants... hmmmm
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Post by: Mr Mystery
Dunno if anyone else has brought this up...but...
What's New Today 26th Jan wrote:Tamurkhan: The Throne of Chaos will be the first in a series of expansion books for Warhammer, and as you can see from the fantastic cover art, it promises to be very dark and sinister. While the book's primary focus is on Chaos, there's plenty in there for every Warhammer hobbyist with loads of new background to read. The book also promises to unite the three factions of Chaos: Warriors, Beastmen and Daemons, providing you with the rules to use all three in one all-conquering army.
PRAISE THE LORD!
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Post by: Kroothawk
Mr Mystery wrote:Dunno if anyone else has brought this up...but...
What's New Today 26th Jan wrote:Tamurkhan: The Throne of Chaos will be the first in a series of expansion books for Warhammer, and as you can see from the fantastic cover art, it promises to be very dark and sinister. While the book's primary focus is on Chaos, there's plenty in there for every Warhammer hobbyist with loads of new background to read. The book also promises to unite the three factions of Chaos: Warriors, Beastmen and Daemons, providing you with the rules to use all three in one all-conquering army.
Ninja'd by 9 days:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/342511.page
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Post by: Mr Mystery
Ah welll. Not to worry. It might not be news, but it's still good
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Uniting the 3 currently separate armies of chaos into one is very interesting to me.
Well done Warhammer Forge!
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Post by: Kanluwen
They'd wanted to do that with the previous incarnations but never got to, simply because the 'Machines of Chaos' book never came to be.
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Post by: Mr Mystery
Kanluwen wrote:They'd wanted to do that with the previous incarnations but never got to, simply because the 'Machines of Chaos' book never came to be.
Not 100% sure that was ever more than a rumour?
I remember hearing about it at the time, but can't remember sources.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Mr Mystery wrote:Kanluwen wrote:They'd wanted to do that with the previous incarnations but never got to, simply because the 'Machines of Chaos' book never came to be.
Not 100% sure that was ever more than a rumour?
I remember hearing about it at the time, but can't remember sources.
It's in the front of the "Hordes of Chaos" book Automatically Appended Next Post: Gav Thorpe, "Hordes of Chaos" Foreword wrote:
This book is the core of our range of Chaos supplements, but it is not the only one. As I write, plans are in motion for at least two companion volumes, of which the first is Warhammer Armies: Beasts of Chaos. In it you will find details of the savage Beastmen, as well as rules for many monstrous creatures such as Dragon Ogres, Chaos Trolls, Chimeras and Minotaurs. Not only will you be able to collect and play with a Beastmen army, you will be able to incorporate units from that list into your mortal or daemon army from this book(and vice versa!). All of this means that a Chaos army is the most flexible army for gamers and collectors in the Warhammer game, which is as it should be.
Had to dig around for my book
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Post by: Jackal
Trolls and ogres are pretty basic, nothing worth paying more for.
Toads are pertty cool, so may have to get some if they ever hit 40k
The plague dragon is another matter though
Im guessing it will be in the £150 - £200 range, so my wallet will be taking a nasty hit again
Any details on when its out? or is it still if and when? :(
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Post by: Mr Mystery
Kanluwen wrote:Mr Mystery wrote:Kanluwen wrote:They'd wanted to do that with the previous incarnations but never got to, simply because the 'Machines of Chaos' book never came to be.
Not 100% sure that was ever more than a rumour?
I remember hearing about it at the time, but can't remember sources.
It's in the front of the "Hordes of Chaos" book
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Gav Thorpe, "Hordes of Chaos" Foreword wrote:
This book is the core of our range of Chaos supplements, but it is not the only one. As I write, plans are in motion for at least two companion volumes, of which the first is Warhammer Armies: Beasts of Chaos. In it you will find details of the savage Beastmen, as well as rules for many monstrous creatures such as Dragon Ogres, Chaos Trolls, Chimeras and Minotaurs. Not only will you be able to collect and play with a Beastmen army, you will be able to incorporate units from that list into your mortal or daemon army from this book(and vice versa!). All of this means that a Chaos army is the most flexible army for gamers and collectors in the Warhammer game, which is as it should be.
Had to dig around for my book
Yarr, doesn't say owt about the other half actually being Machines of Chaos though? Not calling you out fella. Just saying not sure how concrete the Machines bit was.
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Post by: Kanluwen
"Machines of Chaos" was in the accompanying White Dwarf, if I remember right.
It was said to be the working title.
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Post by: JOHIRA
I generally don't like Nurgle, but I'm loving the Nurgle dragon. The best part about it is it has naturalistic anatomy despite being a horrible monstrosity from our darkest slime-covered nightmares. Major, major kudos to whoever sculpted it for making it look believable as a giant, mutated lizard that has weight, rather than a lumpy pile of pustules and claws.
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Post by: Alpharius
MeanGreenStompa wrote:Uniting the 3 currently separate armies of chaos into one is very interesting to me.
Well done Warhammer Forge!
Or, you know, just like we used to be able to do!
For all of GW's attempts to 'force' people to collect 3 full armies, I think they really dropped the ball when the separated them all out, making Chaos rather... ordered.
I know I dropped the Daemon side of things completely, and sold off my Beastmen too...
This is certainly a step back in the right direction, and I hope GW 'proper' follows suit next time around too.
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Post by: shingouki
from gw own site/The book also promises to unite the three factions of Chaos: Warriors, Beastmen and Daemons, providing you with the rules to use all three in one all-conquering army./
this sounds sweet to me and could lead to even more diverse chaos armies.
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Post by: Grimstonefire
I don't think they will ever recombine them into one army book again, why should they when you can use a WF list?
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Post by: Kanluwen
Alpharius wrote:MeanGreenStompa wrote:Uniting the 3 currently separate armies of chaos into one is very interesting to me.
Well done Warhammer Forge!
Or, you know, just like we used to be able to do!
For all of GW's attempts to 'force' people to collect 3 full armies, I think they really dropped the ball when the separated them all out, making Chaos rather... ordered.
I know I dropped the Daemon side of things completely, and sold off my Beastmen too...
This is certainly a step back in the right direction, and I hope GW 'proper' follows suit next time around too.
You technically never have been able to "unite the 3 separate armies of Chaos"
Daemons were part of the Hordes of Chaos book along with mortals. The book was nice and big too!
Beasts of Chaos were their own nice and loverly book.
Chaos Dwarfs were to be the last part, but never were done. Why is never really talked about by Gav or the like, but I'd assume it had to do with a new edition coming out and designer burnout.
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Post by: Da Boss
You were able to take Beasts in a Hordes army, as well as humans and daemons in a beasts army, under the old rules. Chaos Dwarves were seperate, but I think that is a bit more fluffy, anyhow.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Da Boss wrote:You were able to take Beasts in a Hordes army, as well as humans and daemons in a beasts army, under the old rules. Chaos Dwarves were seperate, but I think that is a bit more fluffy, anyhow.
Chaos Dwarves never had their book released.
That's why I say it's "technically" that way
There were three different forces that could be taken, sure. But Mortals and Daemons were effectively the same army book at that time.
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Post by: Wehrkind
Kanluwen wrote:"Machines of Chaos" was in the accompanying White Dwarf, if I remember right.
It was said to be the working title.
It will be out soon as "Defiler Kingdoms".
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Post by: bloodaxegit
Isn't Kroq-Gar's Carnosaur supposed to be a juvenile?
Read Temple of the serpent.
Also, GW list the Grymloq model as carnosaur; not juvenile carnosaur.
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Post by: Da Boss
Carnasaurs are closer to Megalosaurus or Allosaurus in size and build than a T Rex. Which I think is cooler anyway, because I always prefered them to big T.
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Post by: Mr Mystery
Grimstonefire wrote:I don't think they will ever recombine them into one army book again, why should they when you can use a WF list?
Well, we could see WF as a potential proving ground for things the main part of GW consider too much of a gamble, so who knows?
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Post by: Alpharius
Mr Mystery wrote:Grimstonefire wrote:I don't think they will ever recombine them into one army book again, why should they when you can use a WF list?
Well, we could see WF as a potential proving ground for things the main part of GW consider too much of a gamble, so who knows?
A lot of people have FW-phobia when it comes to rules.
Many of the reasons are entirely justifiable too!
So, there are PLENTY of reasons to allow all branches of Chaos Inc. to play together again via "Official GW" rules - just like we used to be able to do!
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Post by: Grimstonefire
Can that not be achieved through a Chaos supplement or free pdf etc? I fail to see why they should recombine them in an army book.
All they really need to do is play around with the rules for the allied % rules.
For instance saying:
Up to 50% allied forces chosen from the other 2 books.
Does not have to have a lord or hero, but if it does it has to fit within the % for each category.
No minimum number of units, but must take a core unit for each special or rare unit (brings some balance in). People can just take a hero or lord this way.
Does not have to have >25% core, <25% special <25% rare, but units that don't count towards core still don't count.
All other rules remain the same.
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Post by: Alpharius
Um yeah, that is almost exactly how it used to be!
Are we arguing for the same thing here?
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Alpharius wrote:MeanGreenStompa wrote:Uniting the 3 currently separate armies of chaos into one is very interesting to me.
Well done Warhammer Forge!
Or, you know, just like we used to be able to do!
For all of GW's attempts to 'force' people to collect 3 full armies, I think they really dropped the ball when the separated them all out, making Chaos rather... ordered.
I know I dropped the Daemon side of things completely, and sold off my Beastmen too...
This is certainly a step back in the right direction, and I hope GW 'proper' follows suit next time around too.
Yep. I played Chaos back in 3rd edition with the 2 Realm of Chaos tomes ( btw, just scored The Lost and The Damned on amazon for $30 the other day, very pleased!). Chaos was not so ordered back then.
I have been looking over the current Warriors of Chaos book and considering things like beastmen counts as marauders and fiends for spawn, greater daemons for monsters etc but it's not the same as it used to be, with great swathes of creatures of all shapes and sizes. The idea of these very clean cut lines between a beastman army and a warriors army and a daemon army seem highly unchaotic to me...
I'd like to see a system where you could still take an all warrior or all beast army (no more all daemon armies though, back to being summoned and so on, retcon the lore!) to represent certain geographic armies like the open steppes or the drakwald forest, but in all the fiction the big wars against chaos were against armies of mixed composition.
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Post by: Reaper Man 2020
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Post by: Alpharius
Thank you for re-posting those!
They've sort of disappeared here, and it is VERY nice to see them again.
The Chaos Dwarf stuff is AWESOME, and GW really needs to just release a full army, soon!
And that Land Ship - too cool for words!
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Post by: Kanluwen
I really hope that Demigryphon gets a High Elf variant.
Would look gorgeous painted up in Nagarythe colors.
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Post by: Jackal
For all of GW's attempts to 'force' people to collect 3 full armies, I think they really dropped the ball when the separated them all out, making Chaos rather... ordered.
Its not just that though.
Its the constant changing of army structure thats got to me.
I would love to be able to add a doombull and other such things into my chaos.
Kholek/throgg list with mino's would be great, as with other things.
Also helps with the whole sales aspect.
if boneripper can kill an adult carnosaur, i would expect that carnosaurs are no bigger than Grimloq
Grim is indeed an adult.
However, he has control, rather than being yet another frenzied monster.
Not only that, but he was one of the strongest carnosaurs to date. (lizzy book)
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Post by: Reaper Man 2020
Hope they weren't removed by request of GW!
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Post by: Kanluwen
Reaper Man 2020 wrote:Hope they weren't removed by request of GW!
Hope what wasn't? The pictures?
They're on the previous page
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Post by: Shattered Soul
Ulric, Thor and Odin! Those are fantastic! I got to say those are sweet looking Empire models, those Chaos models rock too.
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Post by: Reaper Man 2020
Alpharius wrote:Thank you for re-posting those!
They've sort of disappeared here, and it is VERY nice to see them again.
The Chaos Dwarf stuff is AWESOME, and GW really needs to just release a full army, soon!
And that Land Ship - too cool for words!
Made me think that there were some other pics posted, I know mine are on the other page!
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Post by: Kanluwen
Reaper Man 2020 wrote:Alpharius wrote:Thank you for re-posting those!
They've sort of disappeared here, and it is VERY nice to see them again.
The Chaos Dwarf stuff is AWESOME, and GW really needs to just release a full army, soon!
And that Land Ship - too cool for words!
Made me think that there were some other pics posted, I know mine are on the other page!
Oh no. They were just posted a long time ago, and the threads are likely locked/buried from disuse.
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Post by: Reaper Man 2020
oh
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Post by: The Dreadnote
The land ship isn't quite what I was expecting.
Although admittedly I was expecting this:
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Post by: Alpharius
That's a bit beyond WFB era technology - so your disappointment was, in fact, guaranteed!
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