Codex Grey Knights is what was in Jules's briefcase.

Codex Grey Knights was the name of Charles Kane's sledge.

Codex Grey Knights felt softer than the Andrex i usually use.

codex grey knights will be win.

ChrisWWII wrote:Exactly, Cain is an extraordinarily badass human, and Draigo is an extraordinarily badass Marine. The difference being one has good, weel written fluff, and the other is fanfiction.

I think since Mortarion was a daemon prince, killing him would only banish him back to the Warp. The others would probably laugh their asses off about why Mortarion was so weak he got beaten, but yeah.

Wait...Cain had good fluff? seriously? Cain is among the biggest mary sue characters in the fluff. I still think some of Draigo's fluff is OTT but in general a Grandmaster of the Grey Knights should be better than everything in the imperium; barring primarches and the emperor. They are the best of the best for a reason; and a Grandmaster is the highest rank of that. They are not just normal marines + psychic powers.

You still hit it on the head. Primarch > Grey Knight Grandmaster. Grey Knight Grandmaster SHOULD NOT CURBSTOMB A DAEMON PRIMARCH.

Cain may be a bit of a Mary Sue, but at least his abilities stayed reasonable. He didn't outduel Kharn or anything like that.

So what power level is a Grey Knight grandmaster, when its fact that they are very much above and beyond any non-GK marine in existance?

I agree, he shouldn't curbstomp a Daemon Primarch. He should, at least, be able to defeat it barely or get it close to defeat. Otherwise the role of Grey Knight Grandmaster is left to look nothing more than an ordinary space marine grandmaster. (which is inferior)

But if that is still too much, then it would be for him to completely and utterly destroy a Chaos Daemon/Chaos Space Marine renegade army (full-on invasion one) all by himself. Its no Primarch...but at least gets across some of the idea that this guy is the most experienced you can be at fighting Chaos. (Unless of course SMs have done this before; which would require him to defeat more to fit fluff)

A Grey Knight Grand Master is slightly better than the average Chapter Master. He is a badass. No one is denying it...but he shouldn't be able to come close to beating a Primarch. A Primarch is to a Marine as a Marine is to a Guardsman. He shouldn't be this good. He really shouldn't.

By the way, is it just me or does Matt Ward have a thing for having his characters hold something single handedly against ridiculous numbers? Marneus Calgar held out against an Ork army, and Draigo held out against a daemon army (while letting an IG regiment escape)!

The point is, Draigo should not have been able to win against a Primarch. He really shouldn't have been. Draigo just has a OTT version of Big Papa Smurf's already OTT fluff.

Its more cause of 40K itself.

How exactly, do you show someone like Draigo is a badass...without doing things on the level of IG or SMs.? Also I wouldn't say 'slightly' better than an SM Grandmaster.

Ok, maybe he shouldn't win against a Primarch. But we both know he must be shown to do bigger, better things than any individual general/commissar of the IG or an SM Grandmaster. So what should he do instead to show his elite badassness?

Mr Hyena wrote:Its more cause of 40K itself.

How exactly, do you show someone like Draigo is a badass...without doing things on the level of IG or SMs.? Also I wouldn't say 'slightly' better than an SM Grandmaster.

Ok, maybe he shouldn't win against a Primarch. But we both know he must be shown to do bigger, better things than any individual general/commissar of the IG or an SM Grandmaster. So what should he do instead to show his elite badassness?

Something that doesn't turn something even bigger, better and more badass into a little.... "kitty"?

crazyK wrote:Codex: Grey Knights will die during a fight with the Balrog, but return later as Codex: White Knights

i loled

Codex Grey Knights doesn't include a Primarch as special character. Primarchs were considered too weak

In the Far Future of Space Marine, there is only Codex: Grey Knights.

Codex: Grey Knights is only an illusion of a book, its real a huge paint gun which turn all SM in the world grey

shealyr wrote:
The sword cannot be destroyed by any means. Smashing, melding, psychic blasting, plasma, vaporizing, all are useless.

So what do you do with it?

You encase it in lead, then plascrete, and leave it in the chapter armory under Grey Knight (or blanks made into servitors) guard? Rather than carrying it into battle where, if you fall, Farseer Daisyfarts will become a world-shattering demon princess?

EDIT: Heh, hello page 6!

Doctor Optimal wrote:

shealyr wrote:
The sword cannot be destroyed by any means. Smashing, melding, psychic blasting, plasma, vaporizing, all are useless.

So what do you do with it?

You encase it in lead, then plascrete, and leave it in the chapter armory under Grey Knight (or blanks made into servitors) guard? Rather than carrying it into battle where, if you fall, Farseer Daisyfarts will become a world-shattering demon princess?

EDIT: Heh, hello page 6!

You roll down a window of your battle barge and drop it into the warp on your next trip through the Empyrean?

VoidAngel wrote:

Doctor Optimal wrote:

shealyr wrote:
The sword cannot be destroyed by any means. Smashing, melding, psychic blasting, plasma, vaporizing, all are useless.

So what do you do with it?

You encase it in lead, then plascrete, and leave it in the chapter armory under Grey Knight (or blanks made into servitors) guard? Rather than carrying it into battle where, if you fall, Farseer Daisyfarts will become a world-shattering demon princess?

EDIT: Heh, hello page 6!

You roll down a window of your battle barge and drop it into the warp on your next trip through the Empyrean?

That seems a good way to give it back to Chaos.

I'm just saying, if you want to keep Object X from Chaos, and your job is fighting Chaos, taking Object X along with you to the battlefield everyday seems sort of silly, IMO.

What, like Chaos has a power limitation? Like having some of it tied up in a sword is meaningful?

Drop it in a sun. Most things will have a hard time getting it back.

VoidAngel wrote:What, like Chaos has a power limitation? Like having some of it tied up in a sword is meaningful?

Drop it in a sun. Most things will have a hard time getting it back.

I'm not a Chaos (or =I=) player so I'm not sure, and for all I know this comes from some half-remembered D&D thing, but doesn't a demonsword act in the same way a demonhost does, as a physical object the demon represents into the real world through?

Usually. So let it represent itself...in the middle of a sun.

"So...15,000,000 degree ball of ionized gas...wanna experience the awesome magnificence of Khorne today? C'mon, you're all firey and stuff! It'll make ya feel good...."

VoidAngel wrote:What, like Chaos has a power limitation? Like having some of it tied up in a sword is meaningful?

Drop it in a sun. Most things will have a hard time getting it back.

just find your nearest black hole and shoot it out a railgun into said black hole, it's IMPOSSIBLE to get out, even daemons would say WTF?

Thought of that, but "black hole" in the 40k universe translates to "express tunnel to the Warp". See, "Eye of Chaos".

VoidAngel wrote:Thought of that, but "black hole" in the 40k universe translates to "express tunnel to the Warp". See, "Eye of Chaos".

Anti-matter

Ought to do the trick (assuming that the sword is made of matter - which I would not) - but you wouldn't want to be in the same star system.

Also, don't think I've ever seen anti-matter mentioned in 40k fluff.

AlexHolker wrote:Codex: Grey Knights was written by Matt Ward.

Codex: Grey Knights has a Grey Knight hero wielding a daemon sword.

Codex: Grey Knights stole the Canoness's Ascension power.

Codex: Grey Knights has only two FA choices, one of which is just a Troops choice with a teleporter.

Your post reads like poetry.

The deep examination of the Sword of Antwyr fluff is making me chuckle.

Seriously, applying common sense to anything in the 41st millennium is, in and of itself, lacking common sense. It's science FICTION for a reason.

As as for Draigo, it did say that Mortarion just finished wtfpwning Draigo's predecessor, so it's more than likely the Daemon Primarch was more than a little bit weakened.

shealyr wrote:The deep examination of the Sword of Antwyr fluff is making me chuckle.

Seriously, applying common sense to anything in the 41st millennium is, in and of itself, lacking common sense. It's science FICTION for a reason.

This is the same universe where human lives are worth less than rechargable battery packs

shealyr wrote:The deep examination of the Sword of Antwyr fluff is making me chuckle.

Seriously, applying common sense to anything in the 41st millennium is, in and of itself, lacking common sense. It's science FICTION for a reason.

As as for Draigo, it did say that Mortarion just finished wtfpwning Draigo's predecessor, so it's more than likely the Daemon Primarch was more than a little bit weakened.

Wise words.

People: get used to this kind of fluff. Its only gonna get more like this. As long as Special Characters continue to be an important part of the game.

Primarch > Grand Master > Chapter Master.

Grand Master > Daemon

Daemon Primarch = Grand Master (They are made to kill daemons)

Daemon Primach + Roflstomped dead grand master = Weakened Daemon primarch

Weakened Daemon Primach < Grand Master.

You have to remember Grey Knights allegedly descended from the emperor, and at a later date than the other chapters. They are DESIGNED to kill daemons, and grand masters are the epitome of that, the pinnacle of daemonhunting. It isnt that hard to believe Draigo killed Mortarion considering the circumstances.

^ Except he wasn't a Grand Master at that point really. By that logic every Space Marine has two Chapter masters (hence why you can take two in FOS).

The Grey Knights Codex raped my horse and rode off on my grandmother.

Also, I'll have to fight them without the Demons the old Demonhunter codex had. Sure, they were arse, but it was a fun modeling job.

But, after all, it makes total sense that the smallest and most elite chapter of the smallest and most elite army in the fething galaxy is dispatched to deal with an Orkish pirate, right?

I reckon it was irresponsible on Matt Ward’s behalf to use a daemon primarch in his fluff just to show how awesome his special character is. Primarchs belong to the category of “do not mess with this” fluff along side the emperor and anything heresy affiliated. The last time a daemon primarch was used in fluff, it took a big squad of Grey Knights to banish Angron and most of them died and Matt Ward reckons 2 blokes can tag team Mortarion… Don’t get me started on Draigo’s other terrible fluff of “being able to survive in the realm of chaos without getting raped by Greater Daemons for all eternity” and “being deemed unvanquishable by the chaos gods”.

I think if this terrible fluff keeps pace, soon we’re going to get some sort of absurd story where a random battle brother breaks Angron’s back over his knee or Marinus Calgar falcon punching Khorne.

Jaon wrote:
You have to remember Grey Knights allegedly descended from the emperor, and at a later date than the other chapters. They are DESIGNED to kill daemons, and grand masters are the epitome of that, the pinnacle of daemonhunting. It isnt that hard to believe Draigo killed Mortarion considering the circumstances.

I dunno dude. Like what candy.man said, it took 100 GK Terminators to banish Angron, how can just 2 of them, even if they are the best and next best, duplicate that feat. But honestly what really gets me is the carving of his name on Mortarion's heart. WTH. I seriously am at a loss for words, I don't know how to properly express how incredibly lousy and stupid that piece of fluff is, Matt Ward what the hell is wrong with you.

Well, what would be better fluff for Lord Draigo to show how he is better than any other Grey Knight? (and thus better than any marine, IG or Inquisitor)

That he fought with Mortarion for an extended period? That he banished a band of Greater Daemons into the warp? Something other than carving his fething name into the heart of a DAEMON PRIMARCH. Draigo is not a primarch, hell, most normal primarchs have been unsuccessful at fighting daemon primarchs, how the hell is Draigo going to take on the lord of pestilence by himself? It would even make more sense if he just brought a few dozen chapter masters with him. That would be fine.

Mr Hyena wrote:Well, what would be better fluff for Lord Draigo to show how he is better than any other Grey Knight? (and thus better than any marine, IG or Inquisitor)

Not everything has to be about blood and battle and how many dudes you've killed. How about something that highlights the GK's incredible mental fortitude and incorruptibility? The fact that no GK has ever fallen to Chaos. For example, the 4 Chaos Gods make a bet, who can be the first to corrupt a GK. And not just any GK, but the Grandmaster. To drive the point home that no one, NO ONE is above the lure of Chaos, and if the Chaos Gods put effort into it, a man WILL fall to their dark temptations. So you can have a nice piece of fluff about how each God tried and failed to tempt Draigo, but how he rebuffed each in turn, even when they came to him at his most vulnerable, when any lesser man would've caved in. Like Khaine offering him the strength of arms to stop some massive tragedy, or Tzeentch offering the secret to restoring the Emperor. And so in the end the Chaos Gods have to concede defeat, that they were unable to tempt Draigo into damnation. And within each of their dark hearts, a new fear; that sometimes, once in a very very rare while, despite all their efforts and all their power, the human spirit shines incorruptible.

Mr Hyena wrote:Well, what would be better fluff for Lord Draigo to show how he is better than any other Grey Knight? (and thus better than any marine, IG or Inquisitor)

HIs initial story of banishing a DP twice would have sufficed. That's pretty baller.

Everything after that really is the problem.

rabidaskal wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:Well, what would be better fluff for Lord Draigo to show how he is better than any other Grey Knight? (and thus better than any marine, IG or Inquisitor)

Not everything has to be about blood and battle and how many dudes you've killed. How about something that highlights the GK's incredible mental fortitude and incorruptibility? The fact that no GK has ever fallen to Chaos. For example, the 4 Chaos Gods make a bet, who can be the first to corrupt a GK. And not just any GK, but the Grandmaster. To drive the point home that no one, NO ONE is above the lure of Chaos, and if the Chaos Gods put effort into it, a man WILL fall to their dark temptations. So you can have a nice piece of fluff about how each God tried and failed to tempt Draigo, but how he rebuffed each in turn, even when they came to him at his most vulnerable, when any lesser man would've caved in. Like Khaine offering him the strength of arms to stop some massive tragedy, or Tzeentch offering the secret to restoring the Emperor. And so in the end the Chaos Gods have to concede defeat, that they were unable to tempt Draigo into damnation. And within each of their dark hearts, a new fear; that sometimes, once in a very very rare while, despite all their efforts and all their power, the human spirit shines incorruptible.

See, that could work...but would need to be exaggerated a bit more to fit into 40k. But its not really combat-y and thats what the GKs are all about. We know they are incorruptible. We want to hear about very unusual individuals who can take that and crank it up a few 100 levels.

HIs initial story of banishing a DP twice would have sufficed.

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Has any other marines banished a DP twice? I'm not 100% sure; but as long as its something completely extraordinary/next to impossible then sure.

That he fought with Mortarion for an extended period? That he banished a band of Greater Daemons into the warp?

The Mortarion fight, your right, could be good fluff for Draigo but would very much depend on how it was written. Fleeing from a fight is cowardice and looks very poor on a character. So...how would they manage to write it in a way that the DP wins, Draigo lives (after presumeably escaping).

We could have Mortarion be the one that flees...but I suspect people wouldn't like that either.

The greater daemon thing is meh; we've had greater daemons banished many times before.

Codex: Grey Knights was STARTED by Matt Ward, and re-written by someone else. I blame Alan Smithee.

Matt Ward had words with the GW PTB about it and allegedly refused to even take part in a battle report featuring his "butchered" codex.

Codex: Grey Knights might finally make those annoying daemons players go the feth away.

Codex: Grey Knights will make the CSM players stop whining and start playing them instead.

Codex: Grey Knights will even make BA players change to GK. Because their dreads are even betterer.

Codex Grey Knights caused the recession, elected Obama, and gave your cat leukemia.

As inspiration for the Draigo background, Mat Ward read a Goto novel and looked at his old He-Man collection.

Codex Grey Knights has an age restriction of 14 years ... max!

rabidaskal wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:Well, what would be better fluff for Lord Draigo to show how he is better than any other Grey Knight? (and thus better than any marine, IG or Inquisitor)

Not everything has to be about blood and battle and how many dudes you've killed. How about something that highlights the GK's incredible mental fortitude and incorruptibility? The fact that no GK has ever fallen to Chaos. For example, the 4 Chaos Gods make a bet, who can be the first to corrupt a GK. And not just any GK, but the Grandmaster. To drive the point home that no one, NO ONE is above the lure of Chaos, and if the Chaos Gods put effort into it, a man WILL fall to their dark temptations. So you can have a nice piece of fluff about how each God tried and failed to tempt Draigo, but how he rebuffed each in turn, even when they came to him at his most vulnerable, when any lesser man would've caved in. Like Khaine offering him the strength of arms to stop some massive tragedy, or Tzeentch offering the secret to restoring the Emperor. And so in the end the Chaos Gods have to concede defeat, that they were unable to tempt Draigo into damnation. And within each of their dark hearts, a new fear; that sometimes, once in a very very rare while, despite all their efforts and all their power, the human spirit shines incorruptible.

^A million times yes.

Eh? I will play GK even if they suck, their model look cool enough

rabidaskal wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:Well, what would be better fluff for Lord Draigo to show how he is better than any other Grey Knight? (and thus better than any marine, IG or Inquisitor)

Not everything has to be about blood and battle and how many dudes you've killed. How about something that highlights the GK's incredible mental fortitude and incorruptibility? The fact that no GK has ever fallen to Chaos. For example, the 4 Chaos Gods make a bet, who can be the first to corrupt a GK. And not just any GK, but the Grandmaster. To drive the point home that no one, NO ONE is above the lure of Chaos, and if the Chaos Gods put effort into it, a man WILL fall to their dark temptations. So you can have a nice piece of fluff about how each God tried and failed to tempt Draigo, but how he rebuffed each in turn, even when they came to him at his most vulnerable, when any lesser man would've caved in. Like Khaine offering him the strength of arms to stop some massive tragedy, or Tzeentch offering the secret to restoring the Emperor. And so in the end the Chaos Gods have to concede defeat, that they were unable to tempt Draigo into damnation. And within each of their dark hearts, a new fear; that sometimes, once in a very very rare while, despite all their efforts and all their power, the human spirit shines incorruptible.

Very nice. Though I assume this is during the time while he is trapped in the warp? As the wards and protection around Titan would make the approach of one of the 4 pretty much impossible.

Codex Grey Knights was written by Andy Chambers, and dropped off along with his letter of resignation with a cryptic instruction- do not open until xmas 2010.

It is his cruel revenge on the company and game he once loved.

I actually miss Andy Chambers. A lot.

Jaon wrote:Primarch > Grand Master > Chapter Master.

Grand Master > Daemon

Daemon Primarch = Grand Master (They are made to kill daemons)

Daemon Primach + Roflstomped dead grand master = Weakened Daemon primarch

Weakened Daemon Primach < Grand Master.

You have to remember Grey Knights allegedly descended from the emperor, and at a later date than the other chapters. They are DESIGNED to kill daemons, and grand masters are the epitome of that, the pinnacle of daemonhunting. It isnt that hard to believe Draigo killed Mortarion considering the circumstances.

I thought the sensei descended from the emperor, and were hunted by the grey knights.. because they are like redbulls for the emperor and hes tired of just water.

Yeah; they do; their purpose and all is to be sacrificed to bring forth The Numen. Supposedly.

But that could be Eldar lies.

Honestly, in the context of a Demon Primarch, I took the "Carved his predecessor's name into his heart" to mean he scored a telling, wounding (possibly banishing) blow on Mortarion with his demon slaying weapon that earned the Demon Primarch's hatred. Like others have said, Mortarion was fighting against essentially two Grey Knight Grandmasters, slayed one and then was terribly wounded by the other, who was obviously motivated by his mentors fall. It certainly seems to me as something to not get overly offended by, especially since this is 40k and especially MW who does write over the top fluff. Draigo's is pretty bad, but it's really not a huge deal.

Necronomicon and The King in Yellow were based on Codex Grey Knights.

rabidaskal wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:Well, what would be better fluff for Lord Draigo to show how he is better than any other Grey Knight? (and thus better than any marine, IG or Inquisitor)

Not everything has to be about blood and battle and how many dudes you've killed.

Yes yes and yes.. You don't need to have 100k marks on your axe, burn 3 worlds and fist Avatar to be a great leader / hero / warrior. I may be wrong about the last one tho..
This one is a great leader and a beacon of hope to humanity. His wisdom and purity are legendary. And...? The other one swings a big axe and punches people in the face. So what he beats his wife and every battle his man are slaughtered. He punches people in the face.

Grey Knights has pissed on my favourite army and, if it's like this in the final release I'm going to stop playing them.

candy.man wrote:I think if this terrible fluff keeps pace, soon we’re going to get some sort of absurd story where a random battle brother breaks Angron’s back over his knee or Marinus Calgar falcon punching Khorne.

If it gets to that point, where not even a primarch is "falcon punching" a God, I am selling all of my models back to GW, through the use of robbery and leaving the models where the money used to be, if necessary.

I get Space Marines being the biggest badest motha's in the yard, but they should really keep this in check...

Next we will have Kharn killing Cadia by himself.....

The Grey Knights are the only thing Kharne couldn't betray.

This one is a great leader and a beacon of hope to humanity. His wisdom and purity are legendary.

Problem is; that is the ultimate generic statement for any hero. How does it distinguish Draigo from any other big human legend?

This codex, including the background for Draigo, is completely acceptable and appropriate to 40k.

"Necronomicon and The King in Yellow were based on Codex Grey Knights. "

+100 Intarwebs for you.

Magister187 wrote:Honestly, in the context of a Demon Primarch, I took the "Carved his predecessor's name into his heart" to mean he scored a telling, wounding (possibly banishing) blow on Mortarion with his demon slaying weapon that earned the Demon Primarch's hatred.

And you would be wrong. The sentence states that he takes the act of carving as an insult, which is just stupid if it was metaphorical: he'd be taking offense at the fact he took offense.

AlexHolker wrote:
And you would be wrong. The sentence states that he takes the act of carving as an insult, which is just stupid if it was metaphorical

Hold on. So my interpretation is wrong because it would be stupid? This IS Matt Ward you know...

AlexHolker wrote:he'd be taking offense at the fact he took offense.

wat?

It's wouldn't be his predecessor's name if it was metaphorical, would it?

Big deal, Grey Knights have been killing daemon primarchs for literally as long as there has been Grey Knight fluff (1st battle of Armageddon).

Also, 40k is over the top.

That's the point.

DarknessEternal wrote:Big deal, Grey Knights have been killing daemon primarchs for literally as long as there has been Grey Knight fluff (1st battle of Armageddon).

Also, 40k is over the top.

That's the point.

There's a difference between 2 Grand Masters stomping a primarch and 100 terminators led by 3 Grand Masters of which only a dozen or so got away doing the same. Sure, there were more daemons there, but they had back-up from the IG and the SW.

DarknessEternal wrote:Big deal, Grey Knights have been killing daemon primarchs for literally as long as there has been Grey Knight fluff (1st battle of Armageddon).

Also, 40k is over the top.

That's the point.

As was said, there's a big difference from 100 Grey Knight Terminators, led by 3 Grandmasters fighting one Primarch at the same time and FINALLY winning a pyrrhic victory, versus 2 Grandmasters curbstomping a Primarch. They tiurned Mortatarion into a wuss.

And there is a difference between OTTT that's crazy awesome like most of 40k, and OTT that's idiotic.

Codex: Grey Knights........touched me....(sob)..

Mr Hyena wrote:

This one is a great leader and a beacon of hope to humanity. His wisdom and purity are legendary.

Problem is; that is the ultimate generic statement for any hero. How does it distinguish Draigo from any other big human legend?

Well, it is not. This is quite the opposite actually. Today's hero does need only to kill. How many wh40k grand champions are known MOSTLY for wisdom and purity and how many because they kicked hard somebody's ass..?
CREEEEEEED!! and Eldrad didn't kick themselves any Daemons / monsters / Primarchs etc. but they still managed to be top boys.. So killing 5 Avatars make you a better hero than killing 4? Is that the only hero measure? If it is, I'll stay with my gay space elves and have interesting heroes instead.
Besides, nice ignoring the rest of my post. I think I actually did answer your question. You just chose to ignore it.

How sure is everyone about this information?

I mean, I don't wanna waste my time to go out and spend $30 on an army codex that takes skill to play effectively.

I'm really tired of partially building an army only to have it superceded on the UBER scale by something else... my shelves only have so much storage space. After 4 years I haven't even been able to open up my paint pots because the latest and greatest codex keeps messing up my plans!

All my dreams of dominating the tournament circuit are continually dashed as well because a new codex comes about which obviously utilizes inferior players brains more effectively. I can't get my mom to give me a lift to the hobby store either because even SHE thinks buying a new codex is a waste of time! It's been hard enough coming out of my parents basement after I graduated from college... and now this! See what this codex has done to my family!?

That said...

The Codex: Grey Knights gives me gas.

Codex Grey Knights is a Tzeenthian plot designed to cause maximum unrest amongst 40k players.

Happygrunt wrote:Codex Grey Knights made me hide my kids, hide my wife, hide my kids, hide my wife and hid my husband because he's raping everyone out there!

I lol'd pretty hard here.
I could see him in my head saying it

AlmightyWalrus wrote:There's a difference between 2 Grand Masters stomping a primarch and 100 terminators led by 3 Grand Masters of which only a dozen or so got away doing the same. Sure, there were more daemons there, but they had back-up from the IG and the SW.

The hell? Where are you getting 3 grand masters from? Angron was banished by 100 terminators and 1 Brother-Captain and zero Grand Masters. Also, the Brother-Captain banished him almost entirely by himself.

Grey knights are baaad puppiez!
(Still gonna get the codex though, just so I can be disgusted by it.)

codex grey knights aren't grey! (seriously, WTF is up with that?)
codex grey knights will save those of us who've been using outdated rules...then 2 months later 6th ed. will come along and it'll be outdated again!
Codex grey knights is a worse version of hitler!
what, too far?

Why all the hate for Codex: Grey Knights?

The only cheesy side to the codex is the henchmen stuff because it looks like they MAY be uber IF you can take unlimited amounts of them.

I play GK mostly myself, when the new codex comes out, I might take a unit or two of henchmen because pure GK aren't going to have enough anti tank (rending alone isn't good enough). I certainly won't spam dozens of henchmen units and I reckon the only people who will are going to be the ones who are DESPERATE to win. Don't get me wrong, when I play, I want to win but I don't play the hobby to win, I play because I enjoy the tactical challenge.

Anyway, most players will probably be more or less similar and only have a unit or two of henchmen. A pure GK force will be almost as hard to win with as the current Daemonhunters codex. An elite force will be practically impossible to win with - a 5 man unit of paladins, all pimped out will cost around 460 points. If you wanted to upgrade one man to an apothecary that one unit will cost well over 500 points.

When the codex comes out, there will most probably be restrictions on the number of henchmen units you can take and you will find that most GK armies are outnumbered, even by other marine armies and will take a lot of practice to win with.

ColdSadHungry wrote:The only cheesy side to the codex is the henchmen stuff because it looks like they MAY be uber IF you can take unlimited amounts of them.

a)- ISTs are only available as inquisitorial retinue, unless you take Coteaz, then they're troops.
b)- Ward's writing it. It's 80% likely going to be a cheese-a-thon. There's even armoured armoured armoured armour.

Codex Grey Knights will expand my gaming group, as one guy just now getting into 40k likes Grey Knights.

shrike wrote:b)- Ward's writing it. It's 80% likely going to be a cheese-a-thon. There's even armoured armoured armoured armour.

No there's not. There's only the Dreadknight. It's like one of those mechs in the Matrix - a battlesuit driven by a Grey Knight. The concept is a little juvenile but it's no different to one of the old eldar war walkers where the driver was exposed - they had a force field to protect them - the GK in the dreadknight will probably have aegis armour and since he forms PART of the overall construct of the dreadknight, it's no different to terminator armour. In fact, it's not even as cheesy as any normal terminator with a storm shield because it's supposedly only 2+/4++. It's much stronger and tougher because it's much bigger.

Admittedly some of the fluff and names (like nemesis doom fist) are cheesy but as for the codex itself, I don't think it's going to be top of the pile. When you look at units in isolation, like the paladins or mordrak then you think 'broken' but in the context of a whole army, they cost so much you'll have to make serious savings elsewhere to take more than a squad of 'broken' units.

Like I say, the only overpowered part now is the henchmen if you interpret the current leaked codex to say that you can take unlimited amounts when you take coteaz (personally, I don't think it'll ever happen). This codex will be good but not the best - it'll probably sit below IG, SW and BA.

Codex grey knights killed Tupac and Biggie
Codex grey knights beat Creed in chess
Codex grey knights molested the emperor when he was just a little boy
Codex grey knights is your father
Codex grey knights can field a pimp named slickback as a HQ choice

Lord Castellan wrote:Codex: Grey Knights killed Kenny!

those bastards!

ColdSadHungry wrote:

shrike wrote:b)- Ward's writing it. It's 80% likely going to be a cheese-a-thon. There's even armoured armoured armoured armour.

No there's not. There's only the Dreadknight.

aegis armour=armoured power armour.
terminator aegis armour=armoured aegis armour
dreadknight=armoured terminator aegis armour.

Codex: Grey Knights doesn't love Marineland.

Codex: Grey Knights created the Garbage Pail Kids Movie.

Codex: Grey Knights cancelled and subsequently uncancelled Family Guy.

EDIT: Since this is my 42nd post:

Codex: Grey Knights forgot to bring a towel

Codex: Grey Knights writes worse poetry than the Vogons, the Azgoths of Kria and Paul Neil Milne Johnstone COMBINED.

Codex: Grey Knights panicked.

Codex: Grey Knights is making those with less than tolerable hygiene whine about how OP it MIGHT be based on a leak, a leak nobody is even sure is legit.

Codex: Grey Knights is going to make GK players whine like 3 year olds when they realize that no matter how many cheesy rules they have 30 Marines at 2k points won't win many battles.

edit - man I'm slow today

shrike wrote:
b)- Ward's writing it. It's 80% likely going to be a cheese-a-thon. There's even armoured armoured armoured armour.

The only real potential for exploitation is Coteaz and Uberhench spam.

The GKs themselves, with possibly the sole exception of the DK, are underwhelming.

Storm bolters don't count as pistols.

That means a 200 point GKST that gets charged by Grey Hunters kills 2-3 models with all their force/power weapons. They might get one single model more if they get Hammerhand off. Meanwhile GH costing 50 fewer points kill the same 2-3 GKST, and if they have a MotW character their average is as high as the GKST with Hammerhand. There's nothing imbalanced there.

Many of their invul improvements are in CC only.

10 Paladins, costing 550 points plus upgrades--putting them closer to 700 even if being sparing about it--die to lascannon wounds 2/3 of the time. Three Vendettas coming out of reserves can wipe almost half the squad with average shooting. If 10 Paladins get charged by 8 TH/SS Terminators, even if they cast Hammerhand and have +1S Daemonhammers, and even if the Daemonhammer gives them +1 Invul and it's not limited to just the nemesis sword, then they kill 4 TH/SS at higher initiative and lose 2.5 men for an average result of tying or losing combat.

Now, I'm not denying that the henchman part of the codex (all two pages of it) look like complete and utterly broken nonsense if there's no difference between the playtest version and what actually gets released. But to claim that GK, meaning "pure" Grey Knights, are a cheese-a-thon is definitely not shaping up to be the case. There's two distinct parts of the codex; pure GK which look to be about as brokenly Uber as the Tyranids codex, and henches with certain GK and assassin support that look to be right up there with Space Wolves.

sourclams wrote:

shrike wrote:
b)- Ward's writing it. It's 80% likely going to be a cheese-a-thon. There's even armoured armoured armoured armour.

The only real potential for exploitation is Coteaz and Uberhench spam.

The GKs themselves, with possibly the sole exception of the DK, are underwhelming.

Storm bolters don't count as pistols.

That means a 200 point GKST that gets charged by Grey Hunters kills 2-3 models with all their force/power weapons. They might get one single model more if they get Hammerhand off. Meanwhile GH costing 50 fewer points kill the same 2-3 GKST, and if they have a MotW character their average is as high as the GKST with Hammerhand. There's nothing imbalanced there.

Many of their invul improvements are in CC only.

10 Paladins, costing 550 points plus upgrades--putting them closer to 700 even if being sparing about it--die to lascannon wounds 2/3 of the time. Three Vendettas coming out of reserves can wipe almost half the squad with average shooting. If 10 Paladins get charged by 8 TH/SS Terminators, even if they cast Hammerhand and have +1S Daemonhammers, and even if the Daemonhammer gives them +1 Invul and it's not limited to just the nemesis sword, then they kill 4 TH/SS at higher initiative and lose 2.5 men for an average result of tying or losing combat.

Now, I'm not denying that the henchman part of the codex (all two pages of it) look like complete and utterly broken nonsense if there's no difference between the playtest version and what actually gets released. But to claim that GK, meaning "pure" Grey Knights, are a cheese-a-thon is definitely not shaping up to be the case. There's two distinct parts of the codex; pure GK which look to be about as brokenly Uber as the Tyranids codex, and henches with certain GK and assassin support that look to be right up there with Space Wolves.

Pretty much how I look at it. I think its likely to a be a competitive, if limited codex with some cheese potential if some of this beta stuff goes to print. We will have to see.

shrike wrote:

ColdSadHungry wrote:

shrike wrote:b)- Ward's writing it. It's 80% likely going to be a cheese-a-thon. There's even armoured armoured armoured armour.

No there's not. There's only the Dreadknight.

aegis armour=armoured power armour.
terminator aegis armour=armoured aegis armour
dreadknight=armoured terminator aegis armour.

Shrike. There comes a time in every mans life, when he has to stop saying the same thing. Over and over again. I beg you.


Im actually quite sad at how uncompetitive GK seems to be at the current time. We're going to have to take a WAAC list just to win friendly games!

you don't know that yet the codex was and still IS only a beta. it could change drastically between now and then.

ph34r wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:There's a difference between 2 Grand Masters stomping a primarch and 100 terminators led by 3 Grand Masters of which only a dozen or so got away doing the same. Sure, there were more daemons there, but they had back-up from the IG and the SW.

The hell? Where are you getting 3 grand masters from? Angron was banished by 100 terminators and 1 Brother-Captain and zero Grand Masters. Also, the Brother-Captain banished him almost entirely by himself.

Now that you mention it, I can't find my source anymore, guess I might be wrong. I'd still like to know where YOU got your info from, if it was so easy for this BC to banish Angron why did almost everyone die?

sourclams wrote:

shrike wrote:
b)- Ward's writing it. It's 80% likely going to be a cheese-a-thon. There's even armoured armoured armoured armour.

The only real potential for exploitation is Coteaz and Uberhench spam.

The GKs themselves, with possibly the sole exception of the DK, are underwhelming.

Storm bolters don't count as pistols.

That means a 200 point GKST that gets charged by Grey Hunters kills 2-3 models with all their force/power weapons. They might get one single model more if they get Hammerhand off. Meanwhile GH costing 50 fewer points kill the same 2-3 GKST, and if they have a MotW character their average is as high as the GKST with Hammerhand. There's nothing imbalanced there.

Many of their invul improvements are in CC only.

10 Paladins, costing 550 points plus upgrades--putting them closer to 700 even if being sparing about it--die to lascannon wounds 2/3 of the time. Three Vendettas coming out of reserves can wipe almost half the squad with average shooting. If 10 Paladins get charged by 8 TH/SS Terminators, even if they cast Hammerhand and have +1S Daemonhammers, and even if the Daemonhammer gives them +1 Invul and it's not limited to just the nemesis sword, then they kill 4 TH/SS at higher initiative and lose 2.5 men for an average result of tying or losing combat.

Now, I'm not denying that the henchman part of the codex (all two pages of it) look like complete and utterly broken nonsense if there's no difference between the playtest version and what actually gets released. But to claim that GK, meaning "pure" Grey Knights, are a cheese-a-thon is definitely not shaping up to be the case. There's two distinct parts of the codex; pure GK which look to be about as brokenly Uber as the Tyranids codex, and henches with certain GK and assassin support that look to be right up there with Space Wolves.

well said. my thoughts exactly.

ColdSadHungry wrote:Why all the hate for Codex: Grey Knights?

Well, I fail to see "all the hate".. Actually it felt more like a very light and fun thread (minus some posts, but every thread gets those.). Did you actually read it? Maybe 10% of it was people saying anything about the rules or the leaked pdf. The rest is just fluff or mild and fun taunting (hope I used the right word).
I've got a request. Go here if you want to squabble about not released rules and such. Let this thread be fun and not-closed, please.

Macok wrote:

ColdSadHungry wrote:Why all the hate for Codex: Grey Knights?

Well, I fail to see "all the hate".. Actually it felt more like a very light and fun thread (minus some posts, but every thread gets those.). Did you actually read it? Maybe 10% of it was people saying anything about the rules or the leaked pdf. The rest is just fluff or mild and fun taunting (hope I used the right word).
I've got a request. Go here if you want to squabble about not released rules and such. Let this thread be fun and not-closed, please.

Codex: Grey Knights locked this thread.

Jaon wrote:

shrike wrote:

ColdSadHungry wrote:

shrike wrote:b)- Ward's writing it. It's 80% likely going to be a cheese-a-thon. There's even armoured armoured armoured armour.

No there's not. There's only the Dreadknight.

aegis armour=armoured power armour.
terminator aegis armour=armoured aegis armour
dreadknight=armoured terminator aegis armour.

Shrike. There comes a time in every mans life, when he has to stop saying the same thing. Over and over again. I beg you.

I've only said it twice, and this is just for one guy, while the other was to a whole thread. And I'm not a man, I'm a teen.

As far as I saw it, it was poking gentle fun. Hell, I'm damn excited for the book, but the fluff is pretty damn ridiculous.

Codex: Grey Knights went back in time and killed Horus and told the emperor it would be their little secret, then roughed up the emperor "lightly" to make it look like he was in a fight.

Codex: Grey Knights is the star child prophecy

Codex: Grey Knights watches Uwe Boll movies and thinks they're pretty alright

Codex: Grey Knights thinks the Star ship troopers movies were better then the book

Codex: Grey Knights doesn't like people complaining about it's power level and is currently making a list of where they sleep.

codex: grey knights don't do what jesus would do.
codex: grey knights ate my dog.
codex: grey knights made jeeves ask them.
codex: grey knights edit naughty words into wikipedia.
codex: grey knights flushes when you're in the shower.
codex: grey knights killed the thundercats.
codex: grey knights don't like monty python.
codex: grey knights made the disney channel. The name was a cover-up.
codex: grey knights faked the moon landing.
codex: grey knights killed JFK.
codex: grey knights caused the holocaust. What, they have that psychic power for nothing?
codex: grey knights found waldo/wally.

shrike wrote:
codex: grey knights killed the thundercats.

...and they are to be praised for it.

shrike wrote:
codex: grey knights faked the moon landing. On Titan.

Fixed that one for ya.

Awesome Christ wrote:
Codex: Grey Knights watches Uwe Boll movies and thinks they're pretty alright

that's just wrong...

Codex Grey Knights murdered the quintillion electrons wasted on 50+ pages of DakkaDakka rumor and discussion threads.

Codex Grey Knights is both a wave and a particle.
Codex Grey Knights is explained by quantum tunneling.

Codex: Grey Knights is why General Relativity and Quantum mechanics don't agree with each other. You see, it all began one fine October morning in a cafe in Paris...

Codex: Grey Knights is the reason Firefly was canceled.

Codex: Grey Knights broke up the Beatles

Noisy_Marine wrote:Codex: Grey Knights is the reason Firefly was canceled.

Ouch. That is one evil codex.

Noisy_Marine wrote:Codex: Grey Knights is the reason Firefly was canceled.

I just got the urge to preemptively burn every copy of Codex Grey Knights in retaliation...well played.

Codex Grey Knights has 99 problems but your army ain't one

At least I can say I will probably outlive Matt Ward, and therefore will enjoy some Warhammer peace before I die. Unless, of course, we develop cloning before then and he uses his most likely ridiculous fortune to ensure he ruins our beloved game forever.

Fire_for_effect wrote:

Awesome Christ wrote:
Codex: Grey Knights watches Uwe Boll movies and thinks they're pretty alright

that's just wrong...

lol

Obrek wrote:Codex Grey Knights has 99 problems but your army ain't one

At least I can say I will probably outlive Matt Ward, and therefore will enjoy some Warhammer peace before I die. Unless, of course, we develop cloning before then and he uses his most likely ridiculous fortune to ensure he ruins our beloved game forever.

You assume Matt Ward will outlive GW.

Soylent Green is made of Codex: Grey Knights!

Codex: Grey Knights is a Cookbook! A COOKBOOK!

Codex: Grey Knights is Codex: Rainbow Warriors after a car wash.

shrike wrote:

ColdSadHungry wrote:

shrike wrote:b)- Ward's writing it. It's 80% likely going to be a cheese-a-thon. There's even armoured armoured armoured armour.

No there's not. There's only the Dreadknight.

aegis armour=armoured power armour.
terminator aegis armour=armoured aegis armour
dreadknight=armoured terminator aegis armour.

Aegis armor = power armor with inscriptions
Terminator armor = terminator armor with inscriptions
Dreadknight = armored terminator armor with inscriptions

I don't think anyone would think that terminator armor was "armored power armor". That's just derp.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

ph34r wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:There's a difference between 2 Grand Masters stomping a primarch and 100 terminators led by 3 Grand Masters of which only a dozen or so got away doing the same. Sure, there were more daemons there, but they had back-up from the IG and the SW.

The hell? Where are you getting 3 grand masters from? Angron was banished by 100 terminators and 1 Brother-Captain and zero Grand Masters. Also, the Brother-Captain banished him almost entirely by himself.

Now that you mention it, I can't find my source anymore, guess I might be wrong. I'd still like to know where YOU got your info from, if it was so easy for this BC to banish Angron why did almost everyone die?

The armageddon art/story book. The force is 100 grey knight terminators lead by a brother captain. They are stationed at an imperial guard battle line, emerging to fight once angron+12 bloodthirsters take the field. Most of the grey knights engage the bloodthirsters, and a handful die to angron, but the brother captain is able to focus the entirety of his soul, along with a bit of backup from a squad of GKT, to banish angron. The brother captain dies from this effort.

ph34r wrote:Aegis armor = power armor with inscriptions
Terminator armor = terminator armor with inscriptions
Dreadknight = armored terminator armor with inscriptions

I don't think anyone would think that terminator armor was "armored power armor". That's just derp.

aegis armour IS armoured power armour. inscriptions might help against daemons, but I doubt some insriptions are gonna stop solid bullets any time soon.

kronk wrote:Codex: Grey Knights brought Zima to my Super Bowl party then drank all of my Guiness.

too funny

How about this
Codex: Grey Knights knows how many licks it takes to get to the tootsie roll center of the Tootsie Pop!

Codex: Grey Knight licked away my whole tootsie pop. He still won't tell me how many licks it takes.

shrike wrote:
aegis armour IS armoured power armour. inscriptions might help against daemons, but I doubt some insriptions are gonna stop solid bullets any time soon.

And wouldn't you know, it's no more effective against bullets than any other kinds of power armor.

shrike wrote:aegis armour IS armoured power armour. inscriptions might help against daemons, but I doubt some insriptions are gonna stop solid bullets any time soon.

Sure bud. Aegis armor is armored power armor in the exact same way that power armor is armored power armor, and flak armor is armored flak armor.

Codex Grey Knights will become a new way of saying

Codex Grey Knights will make all other space marine players feel small and insignificant

Codex Grey Knights is just another delay in my never ending wait for the DA codex

Codex Grey Knights is so every single 40k player will swicth to it just so that they don't lose instantly to the first person they know who swicthes

To GW: Stop stalling and release the codex! (DA, not GN)

I've just seen the final version of Codex: Grey Knights and there's a fluff piece describing the Draigo/Mortarion encounter in it!

--

Scene - MORTARION has killed JANUS, the Grandmaster of the Grey Knights and is now looking for DRAIGO to finish the job.

DEATHSHROUD 1: Hey Stern, where's Draigo?

DRAIGO: Right behind you Deathshroud.

DRAIGO blows away both DEATHSHROUD with his storm bolter. MORTARION drops his scythe and falls to his knees cowering before the fury of DRAIGO. DRAIGO draws his Nemesis Force Weapon and carves JANUS' name into the terrified MORTARION's heart.

DRAIGO: All right, Mortarion. You called down the thunder. Well, now you got it. You see that? It says, "Grey Knights Grandmaster."

MORTARION: Draigo, please don't kill me. Please.

DRAIGO: Take a good look at him, Mortarion, 'cause that's how you're gonna end up. The Chaos gods are finished. You understand me? I see an eight-pointed star, I kill the daemon wearin' it. So run, you cur. Run! Tell all the other curs the law is comin'! You tell 'em I'm comin'! And hell's comin' with me, you hear? HELL'S COMIN' WITH ME!!!

--

Next up: Draigo kicks Khorne off of his Skull Throne!

DRAIGO: Just want to let you know you're sitting in my chair.

KHORNE: Is that a fact?

DRAIGO: Yeah, that's a fact...

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:DEATHSHROUD 1: Hey Stern, where's Draigo?

Oh come on. Really? Please tell me this is some sort of cruel joke!

A joke? In this thread? No way!!!

Codex Grey Knights IS THE LAW!
Codex Grey Knights once punched Hitler right in the face!
Codex Grey Knights is filled with TIGER BLOOD!
Codex Grey Knights is Bi-Winning

Codex Grey Knights bangs 7 gram rocks.

Codex: Grey Knights will take the heat off Codex: Blood Angels when it is released.

Codex: Grey Knights is what most people say it is.

But there is NO armoured armoured armour! There's just some armour that's tougher than other armour.

Just like some cars are faster than others and some food costs more than other food. Some things are just better (although Burger King isn't)

Codex: Grey Knights drinks your milkshake. It drinks it up.

ColdSadHungry wrote:Codex: Grey Knights will take the heat off Codex: Blood Angels when it is released.

Codex: Grey Knights is what most people say it is.

But there is NO armoured armoured armour! There's just some armour that's tougher than other armour.

Just like some cars are faster than others and some food costs more than other food. Some things are just better (although Burger King isn't)

Nonsense. I call a three course meal fooded food food just like anyone else.

Codex: Grey Knights makes me cry myself to sleep.

Seriously. Just playing around it's 20-0 in games here at the house. And it's not even out yet!

Mein Kampf & The Manifesto of the Communist Party Were found on the bedside table of Matt Ward shortly after the release of Codex: Grey Knights

Codex Grey Knights killed the dinosaurs. Individually.

Codex: Grey Knights gave Gamesworkshop an opportunity to sell StormRavens to players who don't play Blood Angels.

Codex: Grey Knights saved me hundreds of dollars on car insurance!

Codex: Grey Knights is made of people!

Codex: Grey Knights shot first!

Codex: Grey Knights voted for G.W Bush. TWICE!

Codex: Grey Knights ends the world in 2012!

Codex: Grey Knights makes people stop complaining about my mech IG!

Exactly what part of the leaked codex tells you that you can have infinite henchman? I'm reading a part right now that says you can only have 3-12 for each inquisitor in the army...or are you just referring to the fact that Coteaz makes them troops? And that makes them cheese? Which henchman would you take that would be cheese? As far as I can tell, Gun Servitors, the best henchman in the current dex imo, were removed, so...not really looking so good there...

UberhAxTHC wrote:Exactly what part of the leaked codex tells you that you can have infinite henchman? I'm reading a part right now that says you can only have 3-12 for each inquisitor in the army...or are you just referring to the fact that Coteaz makes them troops? And that makes them cheese? Which henchman would you take that would be cheese? As far as I can tell, Gun Servitors, the best henchman in the current dex imo, were removed, so...not really looking so good there...

Coteaz makes them troops but doesn't necessarily lift the restriction on not taking FoC slots.

As for cheese, being able to take 12 plasma guns for 140pts, or 5 in a chimera for 125pts is probably one of the reasons why, or a 10 Fast Las/Plas Razorbacks with token 3man scoring units for just over 900pts.

In the current dex, you can take 2 gun servitors, one with Multimelta and one with a Plasma Cannon, following an Inquisitor, all in a Rhino, for under 140 pts...you can do this 4 times, one for each inquisitor in your army. How is that not worse?

because that's 8 heavy weapons and 4 storm bolters on AV11 transports for roughly what ~550 or so points and they can't score? Not 20 plasmaguns and 8 heavy weapons in AV12 transports for fewer points than *can* hold objectives?

Actually, you could put them in Chimera's if you really wanted to...And you actually have to leave the safety of your tank to shoot all those guns, or you're wasting points. Which is a bad idea most of the time.

UberhAxTHC wrote:Actually, you could put them in Chimera's if you really wanted to...And you actually have to leave the safety of your tank to shoot all those guns, or you're wasting points. Which is a bad idea most of the time.

In the upcoming list you don't have to leave the chimeras to shoot all those guns, chimeras have 5 firing points. 4 chimeras with 5 PG's each is 500pts. The chimeras in the current DH book are much less capable in that regard, cost a lot more, and count as open topped if anything shoots out.

Codex: Grey Knights wanted a coalition government

Codex: Grey Knights will drop shot you then t-bag your digital army-man corpse

codex: Grey Knights power level is OVER NINE THOOUUSAAAAAND!!!!!

So in reality, Grey Knights aren't what make Codex: Grey Knights cheese...it's Coteaz himself. So why aren't people just making Coteaz jokes? Bashing on Coteaz? He seems to be the real problem here...the actual Grey Knights themselves don't seem that cheese to me...

UberhAxTHC wrote:So in reality, Grey Knights aren't what make Codex: Grey Knights cheese...it's Coteaz himself. So why aren't people just making Coteaz jokes? Bashing on Coteaz? He seems to be the real problem here...the actual Grey Knights themselves don't seem that cheese to me...

Well, then there's also the Purifiers. The guys that go from 20 to 24pts but get an extra attack and automatically wound all engaged enemy models on a 4+ before any blows are struck but after movement into combat (i.e. annihilating orks simply by the state of being in combat with them) along with being able to take 2 Heavy Weapons per 5 models, and the undercosted Dreadknight. The Paladins also may be somewhat cheesy, but perhaps not if the Warding Stave doesn't apply outside of CC.

That's still not nearly as bad as Space Wolves. Admit it.

We'll see, but those Purifiers and the Dreadknight may tip that

What the hell is a Dreadknight supposed to be anyways? At first I thought it might be a Dreadnought variant, but reading over it more, it seems to be like a super terminator...which would make me very sad, seeing one man terminator squads that take up heavy support slots...so what IS this thing?

Basically, it's a Trygon that gets +1WS/S and T for 2 less Attacks (3 less in profile but has 2 CCW's) and Wounds with a 2+/4+ and 2 higher LD and BS, with a strength increasing psychic power, a blast weapon psychic power, psychic defense, and costs 2 Rhino's less, with the ability to take two independent very powerful ranged weapons.

Yeah, but I mean, model-wise, what is going to represent it? What do they look like?

as far as I can tell they sorta look like those things from the Matrix movies or Aliens, the big walker things, but better armored and more "knightly" with big swords.

I actually played against a Coteaz henchman list a while ago (he was using the leaked 'dex) and to be honest it wasn't that bad a fight. but he did use a lot of points on two stormravens and a lot of assassins, and most of his firing was wasted on taking out my Wierdboy and Warbikers, so *shurg*

Still, you have to admit...full inquisition army is badass...

Codex Grey Knights is PWNED by Mat Ward's next work: Codex Necrons

So here the truth about Codex Necrons:
It includes a special playable character that kicked Draigo's ass
The Dreadknight is actually a Necron construct, the more powerful Necroknights with necrofists and necroguns are a standard unit and cost 30 points each.
Necrons invaded Terra and made it a Tomb World.
One page is dedicated to the Necron's private life as loving parents.
Necron's killed all Old Ones and 5 Primarchs and 200 Eldar Avatars.
The C'Tan travelled back in time and made Sarah Palin US President and gave Uwe Boll the Lifetime Achievement Oscar.

Nobody puts Codex: Grey Knights in a corner!

I hate them their are overpowered plus lame losers but they may prevent annoying sisters.

What's wrong with sisters? They're badass too. Celestine is pro.

The Codex: Grey Knights release date was pushed back one day.

So now that it's been released, does anyone here have a copy? Can you tell us how bad it really is? Is the leaked Dex accurate or complete bs?

Nvm. Saw it on the main site and thought it was released already. >.<

Codex: Grey Knights considers Roboute Guilliman to be its spiritual liege, but knows that it will never be as good as Codex: Ultramarines.

Codex: Grey Knights flooded the internet with Dreadknight hate.
I am now currently swimming in a pool of silvery hate.

Codex grey Knights will have a unit that guards Titan called Grey Wardens.

Codex Grey Knights fields a special character named Inquisitor Mary Sue.

The Dreadknight must make a morale check every round. If the test fails, the Dreadknight stays immobile: The Terminator has to be fed

The codpiece of the Dreadknight Terminator has the following inscription: Titan (no joke !)

Haha, the Dreadknight is packing down there on top of everything else. Just one more reason for people to bash on him.

I honestly wish they hadn't made a model for Draigo, so that at least I wouldn't have to see him EVERY time I play vs the new GK...but so much for THAT...

Also, add truck nuts to your Dreadknight. I can't think of a better way to make an opponent shoot at it every turn, just so he won't have to look at it anymore...