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Post by: nerdfest09
Hi guys and girls, I was thinking about how there has been a lot of discussion about how bad C.S Goto is such a bad writer and makes ridiculous adjustments to the 40k world when he writes his novels, i've only read one but apart from it being quite boring and rushed I couldn't focus on what was wrong in it, so...can anyone post up the things he's taken liberty with in the novels he's writen over the years? i'd just like to know! 
thanks everyone!
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Post by: DarknessEternal
The list is trivially small, actually.
The internet just needs targets to irrationally hate.
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Post by: Ribon Fox
This sort of thing
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Post by: Kanluwen
Everything.
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Post by: Formosa
Multilasors...Multilasors!!! multi lzorgs :(
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Post by: Kanluwen
It's not even the multilasers alone.
It's the suggestion that Eldar are all "secretly Slaanesh worshipers", that the Eldar would fall in love with a Space Marine, and the list goes on...
And on.
And on.
Basically: the guy's a self-admitted moron. He tries to play it off now like "LULZ GUYZ JUS' TROLLIN'!" but in reality: he didn't know feth all about what he was doing, and he only got the job because he 'knew a guy'.
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Post by: Battle Brother Lucifer
I really want to read his works, but approach them as a source of comedy and not seriously trying to read it like I do with other BL books.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Don't forget that apparently throwing rocks at eldar skimmers would cause them to crash to the ground.
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Post by: Formosa
And Terminators riding ON TOP of Rhinos
YYYEEEEEE HHHHAAAAWWWWW
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Post by: Dashofpepper
According to C.S Goto, Terminators ride on top of Rhinos into battle, firing wildly as they go. Eldar like to surf on rhinos. Marines wield multilazors, not bolters.
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Post by: Battle Brother Lucifer
And Terminator sergeants (iirc) have the ability to get Cyclone Missile Launchers. And only use them as a back up plan.
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Post by: Bookwrack
Terminators backflip into combat.
Also, everything brays. Although that's just bad writing.
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Post by: DarknessEternal
Dashofpepper wrote:According to C.S Goto, Terminators ride on top of Rhinos into battle,
So do regular marines, according to Ben Counter.
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Post by: Kroothawk
According to Goto, the majority of Eldar and Dark Eldar in his novels worship Slaanesh!!! Even Eldrad and the chair of the Ulthwé farseer council cooperate with Slaanesh worshippers! And a fat (!) drooling (!) child molesting (!!!) Eldar farseer from Goto's pet craftworld.
Another example: Eldar Guardians try to block (!) Warp Spiders ... and they succeed!
Another example: Elite Harlequin fighters are mostly characterized as "piles of mutilated bodies" after 10 seconds of fight with a Space Marine.
Oh ... and Tyranids and Necrons bray 
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Post by: Micromegas
Of course Necrons bray!
Have you seen them?!
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Post by: Hoodwink10
What books are you guys refering to? I've read the Deathwatch books, but what else?
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Post by: purplefood
Hoodwink10 wrote:What books are you guys refering to? I've read the Deathwatch books, but what else?
The DoW books...
I found them entertaining which is what they are supposed to do...
However people hate it because of the massive fluff errors...
Some Fan-fiction is better than Goto which is saying a lot.
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Post by: Lord_Osma
Now I want to read them just to find all this stuff.
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Post by: purplefood
I'll be honest i missed it the first time so i went over it again...
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Post by: GalacticDefender
Ribon Fox wrote:This sort of thing
I'm not a big fan of C.S Goto either, but what is wrong with that sentinel? Apart from being completely illegal in game, it looks pretty cool/like something that could possibly be seen on a battlefield.
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Post by: MechaEmperor7000
This guy's sounding like the Uwe Boll of 40k.
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Post by: Trickstick
Uwe Boll is pretty good though, he is like the Ed Wood of our generation but his stuff is watchable. I do have a stack of unwatched Uwe next to me, I could well change my mind after I get through it. In the name of the King was good, for instance.
On the multilasers, what is wrong with marines using them? There is no way that a marine could pick one up, ever, anywhere in the entire galaxy? I haven't read any Goto so I'm not trying to defend him or say he is a good writer, but slagging him off because of unorthodox weaponry is a bit of a reach.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Trickstick wrote:Uwe Boll is pretty good though, he is like the Ed Wood of our generation but his stuff is watchable. I do have a stack of unwatched Uwe next to me, I could well change my mind after I get through it. In the name of the King was good, for instance.
No, see...Ed Wood's stuff is good because it's that bad. Add to it that he did everything off his own original ideas and that's what made it work.
Uwe Boll does terrible things and actually has source material to work from.
On the multilasers, what is wrong with marines using them? There is no way that a marine could pick one up, ever, anywhere in the entire galaxy? I haven't read any Goto so I'm not trying to defend him or say he is a good writer, but slagging him off because of unorthodox weaponry is a bit of a reach.
Yes, there's no way that a marine "could pick one up, ever, anywhere in the entire galaxy".
Do you know why?
Multilasers are weapons that are generally mounted on vehicles such as Chimeras and Sentinels. They're also not mounted in such a way that they can be removed without damaging the weapon itself.
And of course, there's the fact that bolters are better than multilasers. And that carrying around a multilaser, the battery, etc would be idiotic when you could be carrying a heavy bolter, lascannon, plasma cannon, multimelta or anything of that nature.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
The bit I like from C.S. Goto's work is the Kasrkin who became BFF's with a Terminator, and then the Kasrikin got made into a Marine! How can someone who's trained long enough to become a Kasrkin (the type of soldier that gave Eisenhorn the jitters) still be young enough to become a Marine?
It all came down to Goto not really knowing anything about 40K. The bright side to it all is that since Goto the Black Library has a lot more checks and balances over what its writers can and cannot do. I wish they'd put Matt Ward under the same checks and balances...
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Post by: Trickstick
Bolter better than multilasers? So all my chimera should rip their turret weapons out and put a single bolter there I suppose. It would be easy for a marine to carry a multilaser, as you said they can carry the other heavy weapons fine. I bet a multilaser is easier to carry than a lascannon.
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Post by: Melissia
Also, apparently terminators are forgetful, as they forgot they had cyclone missile launchers until they were being torn to shreds by a carnifex.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Trickstick wrote:Bolter better than multilasers? So all my chimera should rip their turret weapons out and put a single bolter there I suppose. It would be easy for a marine to carry a multilaser, as you said they can carry the other heavy weapons fine. I bet a multilaser is easier to carry than a lascannon.
No, it wouldn't be.
You know how Sentinels have that big battery mounted on the side of their cockpit?
That's the 'auxiliary' battery for their multilaser. As in: that's what keeps the multilaser from completely overloading the power generating capacity of the Sentinel and forcing it to shut down in the middle of combat.
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Post by: Trickstick
Kanluwen wrote:Trickstick wrote:Bolter better than multilasers? So all my chimera should rip their turret weapons out and put a single bolter there I suppose. It would be easy for a marine to carry a multilaser, as you said they can carry the other heavy weapons fine. I bet a multilaser is easier to carry than a lascannon.
No, it wouldn't be.
You know how Sentinels have that big battery mounted on the side of their cockpit?
That's the 'auxiliary' battery for their multilaser. As in: that's what keeps the multilaser from completely overloading the power generating capacity of the Sentinel and forcing it to shut down in the middle of combat.
Yes, and the lascannon has a similar battery, yet marines seem perfectly able to carry those.
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Post by: Vargtass
Did someone doubt the Ed Woodness of the Raging Boll? Cuz I'll cut you! =p
I can only agree with H.B.M.C. though, Goto made BL stricter in their fluff control. And the only way Matt Ward can be edited is with a boxcutter...
Cut you! O_O
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Post by: purplefood
H.B.M.C. wrote:The bit I like from C.S. Goto's work is the Kasrkin who became BFF's with a Terminator, and then the Kasrikin got made into a Marine! How can someone who's trained long enough to become a Kasrkin (the type of soldier that gave Eisenhorn the jitters) still be young enough to become a Marine?
It all came down to Goto not really knowing anything about 40K. The bright side to it all is that since Goto the Black Library has a lot more checks and balances over what its writers can and cannot do. I wish they'd put Matt Ward under the same checks and balances...
Actually the Kasrkin i can explain.
He starts off as a normal trooper and gets promoted as the people above him die. He ends up the captain of the stormtrooper company and pretty much the last survivor of the regiment. And, he wasn't young enough, the Blood Ravens were desperate for recruits and he was pushing it he even came out with mutated hands but they kept him.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
...even came out with mutated hands but they kept him.
That actually makes it worse...
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Post by: Xca|iber
Basically, the argument against C.S. Goto's stuff is a matter of degree.
All BL authors make mistakes and fluff blasphemies from time to time. Even authors like Abnett and McNeill, as well as the rest of the HH authors (see: Iacton Qruze), have made fluff errors in their novels. Abnett actually has a tendency to add heavy doses of more "modern" realism to his stories which sometimes conflicts with fluff. Other authors are similar.
Goto however, writes as though he were simply grabbing terms from a random 40k word generator. There are numerous instances of things (people, weapons, whatever) performing acts that are completely contrary to the established fluff for those things. From Slaanesh-worshiping Eldar to Space Marines wielding Multilasers that fire bullets, to back-flipping terminators, it seems as though Goto has neither any knowledge of how 40k works, nor any respect for the basic 40k canon.
This kind of creativity wouldn't really be a problem normally, but since 40k books are written for 40k fans, and 40k fans expect a mostly consistent canonical foundation in line with the established lore (aka, they expect a book about Warhammer 40000), such blatant against-the-grain writing is widely rejected by the 40K fanbase.
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Post by: MechaEmperor7000
this just reminds me of that Chaplain that did a psychic scream in Ultramarines.
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Post by: Retribution
H.B.M.C. wrote:a Kasrkin (the type of soldier that gave Eisenhorn the jitters)
I'd very much like an explanation of this 
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Post by: DarknessEternal
H.B.M.C. wrote: How can someone who's trained long enough to become a Kasrkin (the type of soldier that gave Eisenhorn the jitters) still be young enough to become a Marine?
There's no age cutoff on turning someone into a Marine, it's just more stable to do it on younger folks. Done to adults plenty of times in various background materials.
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Post by: MechaEmperor7000
Depends again on fluff. I remember reading that some of the organs (most notably the one responsible for growing the ribcage into a sheath of ceramite to protect the organs) depends on the natural hormones during the growing period in a human's life to grow that sheath. Afterwards the body stops actually growing bones and it would probably be rendered useless.
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Post by: purplefood
H.B.M.C. wrote:...even came out with mutated hands but they kept him.
That actually makes it worse...
I thought that but they seemed to just turn a blind eye...
I think they would have replaced his hands afterwards with robot hands or something but still.
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Post by: Pilau Rice
DarknessEternal wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote: How can someone who's trained long enough to become a Kasrkin (the type of soldier that gave Eisenhorn the jitters) still be young enough to become a Marine?
There's no age cutoff on turning someone into a Marine, it's just more stable to do it on younger folks. Done to adults plenty of times in various background materials.
Hmm I don't know about that. The Rites of Initiation have the whole process from neophyte to Marine at ages 10 - 18, starting with the secondary heart.
An initiate receives training before joining the ranks as a full brother. A Marine usually joins the ranks between the ages of 16-18, but such are the hormonal changes induced by the process of creating a Space Marine that recruits are physically fully grown before then. Pressures during wartime may accelerate the process.
Kor Phaeron and Luther are two good examples of persons who were to old to become Astartes. Can't think of any instances myself where an older gent has become a marine.
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Post by: SilverMK2
Back when the Primarchs were being found, I believe that some of their followers from the worlds they were found were turned into "quasi" marines through various techniques.
Though this may be me making things up, or may have been retconned.
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Post by: Pilau Rice
SilverMK2 wrote:Back when the Primarchs were being found, I believe that some of their followers from the worlds they were found were turned into "quasi" marines through various techniques.
Though this may be me making things up, or may have been retconned.
No you are right, it's the process that was applied to Kor Phaeron and Luther, they were made as close to marines as possible without the full astartes treatment.
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Post by: Hoodwink10
purplefood wrote:Hoodwink10 wrote:What books are you guys refering to? I've read the Deathwatch books, but what else?
The DoW books...
I found them entertaining which is what they are supposed to do...
However people hate it because of the massive fluff errors...
Some Fan-fiction is better than Goto which is saying a lot.
Of course DoW books are crap! The stupid Blood Ravens would never have lasted this long. If they had gotten with 300m of anything remotely chaos they would have immediately turned traitor and began eating each other or something. They are worst than the mechanicum in the sense that they are just one bad day away from falling to the dark powers. Automatically Appended Next Post: DarknessEternal wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote: How can someone who's trained long enough to become a Kasrkin (the type of soldier that gave Eisenhorn the jitters) still be young enough to become a Marine?
There's no age cutoff on turning someone into a Marine, it's just more stable to do it on younger folks. Done to adults plenty of times in various background materials.
hugely risky though. Leman Russ' house hold guards of fenris pretty much all died off during the founding because they were too old. I thought it had to be early in life while the body was still developing so before 20ish. That accounts for Luther, that body guard in the first 3 horus heresy books, ect.
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Post by: Gridge
DarknessEternal wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote: How can someone who's trained long enough to become a Kasrkin (the type of soldier that gave Eisenhorn the jitters) still be young enough to become a Marine?
There's no age cutoff on turning someone into a Marine, it's just more stable to do it on younger folks. Done to adults plenty of times in various background materials.
There is definitely a cut-off, the gene seed implantation will not take succeed in a mature host. If you are referring to people undergoing a process similar to Luther then they are not being made into full Astartes although their life span is extended and they are physically altered.
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Post by: Melissia
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Post by: Kurgash
Aside the known failures, one thing I've griped most is in the first DoW book where it talks about the Orks attacking the city to distract the Blood Ravens from Sindri and Bale's motives. After that you don't read anything about the warboss at all, no mention of a great climatic battle, just...poof. Really poor writing there.
He also does like 5 pages of how a chaos biker shoots out I think an Eldar Vyper only to get cleaved in half by a passing Falcon tank in an almost comedic sense. Really puts a sour taste in the mouth to read things like that that have almost no point.
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Post by: Just Dave
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the mighty-morphing Space Marine vehicles...
*leaves stage*
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Post by: Lycaeus Wrex
MechaEmperor7000 wrote:this just reminds me of that Chaplain that did a psychic scream in Ultramarines.
That pissed me off to no end. Then again, I have a gigantic list of gripes with that movie. It's almost as if one of the producers was acting as a pseudonym for C.S Goto there was that much wrong with the film...Anyway....
L. Wrex
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Post by: DarknessEternal
MechaEmperor7000 wrote:this just reminds me of that Chaplain that did a psychic scream in Ultramarines.
That was explained within 20 seconds of its occurrence.
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Gridge wrote:
There is definitely a cut-off, the gene seed implantation will not take succeed in a mature host. If you are referring to people undergoing a process similar to Luther then they are not being made into full Astartes although their life span is extended and they are physically altered.
Not so. Chaos Space Marines are almost exclusively made from adults.
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Post by: Khisanth Magus
Not so. Chaos Space Marines are almost exclusively made from adults.
Seeing as how Chaos Space Marines are all a bunch of mutated freaks, I'm not sure that really supports an argument that you can make loyalist Space Marines out of adults.
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Post by: Snogs
I dont mind the Eldar falling for a Space Marine.
Think about it...size matters.
Even to the Eldar. 
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Post by: case013
Trickstick wrote:Uwe Boll is pretty good though, he is like the Ed Wood of our generation but his stuff is watchable. I do have a stack of unwatched Uwe next to me, I could well change my mind after I get through it. In the name of the King was good, for instance.
On the multilasers, what is wrong with marines using them? There is no way that a marine could pick one up, ever, anywhere in the entire galaxy? I haven't read any Goto so I'm not trying to defend him or say he is a good writer, but slagging him off because of unorthodox weaponry is a bit of a reach.
In the name of the king was good? Did you even watch that movie? The acting was so horrible it wasn't even funny. None of the characters even sounded like they cared about the roles they were playing. The plot has been so over used it's not worth mentioning. It was a poor attempt to cash in on yet another fantasy title and failed at that.
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Post by: MechaEmperor7000
DarknessEternal wrote:MechaEmperor7000 wrote:this just reminds me of that Chaplain that did a psychic scream in Ultramarines.
That was explained within 20 seconds of its occurrence.
They started going for the Thunderhawk 20 seconds after the occurrence and one of the marines asked if the Chaplain was ok. Not much of an explantion. Still an asspull.
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Post by: Anidem
Snogs wrote:
I dont mind the Eldar falling for a Space Marine.
Think about it...size matters.
Even to the Eldar.
okay, there is only one chapter of space marines (The Space Wolves) that have sex, and are. . . erm. . . EQUIPPED to have sex.
this is why everyone makes fun of them, because the space vikings are quite fully capable of doing everything the vikings of yore did
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
MechaEmperor7000 wrote:DarknessEternal wrote:MechaEmperor7000 wrote:this just reminds me of that Chaplain that did a psychic scream in Ultramarines.
That was explained within 20 seconds of its occurrence.
They started going for the Thunderhawk 20 seconds after the occurrence and one of the marines asked if the Chaplain was ok. Not much of an explantion. Still an asspull.
Just saying, what part of IS THE CROZIUS READY? NO, IT NEEDS MORE TIME!! is unclear?
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Post by: Dark Scipio
Wait you think that the discharging of the Croziums power field as a desperate move was a psych. scream and then you complain about how wrong such scream is?
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
Dark Scipio wrote:Wait you think that the discharging of the Croziums power field as a desperate move was a psych. scream and then you complain about how wrong such scream is?
But...that's not how a Crozius funtions...
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Post by: Dark Scipio
And you know that despite being a force field generator it cant be discharged that way as a desperate move because...
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Post by: Jackster
How about that one time when a LR turns into a Razorback!
I'd personally have no problem with BL authors bending the fluff a little, as long as they make it interesting and believable, Goto's work look more like something out of a high school student finishing his paper the night before it's due by throwing in random stuff.
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Post by: Kilkrazy
I've never read any of CS Goto's 40K novels, (or anyone else's for that matter) however I have gained the impression that the easiest way to list the mistakes is to print out his novels in list format.
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
Kilkrazy wrote:I've never read any of CS Goto's 40K novels, (or anyone else's for that matter) however I have gained the impression that the easiest way to list the mistakes is to print out his novels in list format.
BAZINGA.
I have read Eldar Prophecy. Got a bit more than halfway through before I had to put it down. It really was terrible.
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Post by: Doop Dude
H.B.M.C. wrote:The bit I like from C.S. Goto's work is the Kasrkin who became BFF's with a Terminator, and then the Kasrikin got made into a Marine! How can someone who's trained long enough to become a Kasrkin (the type of soldier that gave Eisenhorn the jitters) still be young enough to become a Marine?
Isn't there Space Wolf recruits who are well established warlords in their Fenrisan tribe before the "Sky Warriors" come to take them away? I thought this happened to Wolf Lord Morkai? Also isn't Canis the same?
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Post by: Steelmage99
All authors takes a few liberties in the name of story-telling.
Abnett has Ghosts wounding a Dreadnought using Lasguns (impossible, even when firing in the rear arch).
I believe they finish it of using Tube-charges (that can conveniently be used as both Frag and Krak Grenades, depending on need).
Aaron Dempski-Bowden (sp) has his Hot-shot Lasguns setting people on fire (not full immolation, mind you). I also believe they shoot a Dread with Lasguns in that novel (Cadian Blood).
But some how they get away with it because it is cool.
C.S.Gotos scribblings does not!
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Post by: Kanluwen
Steelmage99 wrote:All authors takes a few liberties in the name of story-telling.
Abnett has Ghosts wounding a Dreadnought using Lasguns (impossible, even when firing in the rear arch).
I believe they finish it of using Tube-charges (that can conveniently be used as both Frag and Krak Grenades, depending on need).
No, he doesn't.
He's had two different instances of Dreadnoughts in the novels, and in NO CASE have they 'wounded it' with lasgun fire.
The first instance has Mkoll overloading his lasgun and all his power cells to crack open the casing of the Dreadnought. That exposed the corpse inside to meter long barbs being fired at supersonic velocities by a plant native to the planet.
The second instance has Gaunt blowing a hole in the thing while it's emerging from water, then the flamer troops exploiting that hole and boiling the operator alive inside.
P.S. "Tube-charges" are demolition charges. Of course they can "conveniently be used as both frag and krak grenades".
Aaron Dempski-Bowden (sp) has his Hot-shot Lasguns setting people on fire (not full immolation, mind you). I also believe they shoot a Dread with Lasguns in that novel (Cadian Blood).
Where does he have Hellguns setting people on fire? He never once calls the Kasrkin's weapons "hot-shot Lasguns", he calls them their proper name of "Hellguns".
And yes, they do shoot a Dread with Lasguns in that novel.
It does nothing except piss the thing off and let the Kasrkin and Captain close from behind the thing with Krak grenades.
But some how they get away with it because it is cool.
C.S.Gotos scribblings does not!
No, they "get away with it" because they don't write that kind of purile crap.
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Post by: case013
edited my post because Kanluwen beat me to it and said exactly what I was gonna say
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Post by: Steelmage99
Kanluwen wrote:Steelmage99 wrote:All authors takes a few liberties in the name of story-telling.
Abnett has Ghosts wounding a Dreadnought using Lasguns (impossible, even when firing in the rear arch).
I believe they finish it of using Tube-charges (that can conveniently be used as both Frag and Krak Grenades, depending on need).
No, he doesn't.
He's had two different instances of Dreadnoughts in the novels, and in NO CASE have they 'wounded it' with lasgun fire.
The first instance has Mkoll overloading his lasgun and all his power cells to crack open the casing of the Dreadnought. That exposed the corpse inside to meter long barbs being fired at supersonic velocities by a plant native to the planet.
The second instance has Gaunt blowing a hole in the thing while it's emerging from water, then the flamer troops exploiting that hole and boiling the operator alive inside.
Yeah, I remember those two situations distinctly. I will not rule out that I have gotten things mixed up.
P.S. "Tube-charges" are demolition charges. Of course they can "conveniently be used as both frag and krak grenades".
No, they are not. But they do tend to tape several tube-charges together to make "Demolition charges".
Aaron Dempski-Bowden (sp) has his Hot-shot Lasguns setting people on fire (not full immolation, mind you). I also believe they shoot a Dread with Lasguns in that novel (Cadian Blood).
Where does he have Hellguns setting people on fire? He never once calls the Kasrkin's weapons "hot-shot Lasguns", he calls them their proper name of "Hellguns".
When the Storm Troopers enter through the skylights.
If this is just about me using the wrong word, then you win one (1) InterWebz.
And yes, they do shoot a Dread with Lasguns in that novel.
It does nothing except piss the thing off and let the Kasrkin and Captain close from behind the thing with Krak grenades.
Yeah, it seems I was wrong about that one, too. Oh well.
But some how they get away with it because it is cool.
C.S.Gotos scribblings does not!
No, they "get away with it" because they don't write that kind of purile crap.
OK.
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Post by: SlaveToDorkness
DarknessEternal wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote: How can someone who's trained long enough to become a Kasrkin (the type of soldier that gave Eisenhorn the jitters) still be young enough to become a Marine?
There's no age cutoff on turning someone into a Marine, it's just more stable to do it on younger folks. Done to adults plenty of times in various background materials.
The SM codex disagrees with you...
Codex SM, pg 10, 4th sentence:
Aspirants must always be chosen when they are young, before they become too mature to accept the gene-seed that will turn them into Space Marines.
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Post by: MechaEmperor7000
AlmightyWalrus wrote:MechaEmperor7000 wrote:DarknessEternal wrote:MechaEmperor7000 wrote:this just reminds me of that Chaplain that did a psychic scream in Ultramarines.
That was explained within 20 seconds of its occurrence.
They started going for the Thunderhawk 20 seconds after the occurrence and one of the marines asked if the Chaplain was ok. Not much of an explantion. Still an asspull.
Just saying, what part of IS THE CROZIUS READY? NO, IT NEEDS MORE TIME!! is unclear?
Caught that after you pointed it out. Still though, where else does it actually depict a Crozius as a ranged weapon (or rather anything but a power mace used to whack people with)?
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Post by: Kanluwen
Steelmage99 wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Steelmage99 wrote:All authors takes a few liberties in the name of story-telling.
Abnett has Ghosts wounding a Dreadnought using Lasguns (impossible, even when firing in the rear arch).
I believe they finish it of using Tube-charges (that can conveniently be used as both Frag and Krak Grenades, depending on need).
No, he doesn't.
He's had two different instances of Dreadnoughts in the novels, and in NO CASE have they 'wounded it' with lasgun fire.
The first instance has Mkoll overloading his lasgun and all his power cells to crack open the casing of the Dreadnought. That exposed the corpse inside to meter long barbs being fired at supersonic velocities by a plant native to the planet.
The second instance has Gaunt blowing a hole in the thing while it's emerging from water, then the flamer troops exploiting that hole and boiling the operator alive inside.
Yeah, I remember those two situations distinctly. I will not rule out that I have gotten things mixed up.
P.S. "Tube-charges" are demolition charges. Of course they can "conveniently be used as both frag and krak grenades".
No, they are not. But they do tend to tape several tube-charges together to make "Demolition charges".
Actually, that's exactly what they are. The "tape several tube-charges together" part is usually done whenever Abnett has them encountering some kind of heavily reinforced material that has to be blown.
Aaron Dempski-Bowden (sp) has his Hot-shot Lasguns setting people on fire (not full immolation, mind you). I also believe they shoot a Dread with Lasguns in that novel (Cadian Blood).
Where does he have Hellguns setting people on fire? He never once calls the Kasrkin's weapons "hot-shot Lasguns", he calls them their proper name of "Hellguns".
When the Storm Troopers enter through the skylights.
If this is just about me using the wrong word, then you win one (1) InterWebz.
Quite frankly:
"hot-shot lasguns" and "hellguns" are two entirely different beasts. Hellguns are a backpack powered, higher discharge assault 'lasgun'.
Hot-shot lasguns are lasguns with a reinforced barrel using a higher capacity cell. And even then, they really should just be called 'lasguns', because the 'hot-shot' part comes from what the power cell is called.
It's an irksome thing that Cruddace brought back hot-shot lasguns for Stormtroopers, because it's a stupid moniker that should have been left in 2nd edition.
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Post by: MechaEmperor7000
Cut him some slack, Hotshot lasguns have almost all but replaced hellguns in the game and the two literally uses the same models now.
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Post by: Kanluwen
"In the game" maybe, but not in the fluff. Books as recent as the "Sabbat Worlds" anthology, "Blood Pact", and even the upcoming "Imperial Glory" still use the moniker "Hellgun" and specifically differentiate them from the 'hot-shot' equipped longlas.
And it's funny, because they COMPLETELY screwed the pooch on the Hot-shot Lasgun entry for Stormtroopers.
"The hot-shot lasgun uses a more powerful, external energy cell. This allows the hellgun to project a much more powerful, and more penetrating, shot."
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Post by: Steelmage99
Kanluwen wrote:
Aaron Dempski-Bowden (sp) has his Hot-shot Lasguns setting people on fire (not full immolation, mind you). I also believe they shoot a Dread with Lasguns in that novel (Cadian Blood).
Where does he have Hellguns setting people on fire? He never once calls the Kasrkin's weapons "hot-shot Lasguns", he calls them their proper name of "Hellguns".
When the Storm Troopers enter through the skylights.
If this is just about me using the wrong word, then you win one (1) InterWebz.
Quite frankly:
"hot-shot lasguns" and "hellguns" are two entirely different beasts. Hellguns are a backpack powered, higher discharge assault 'lasgun'.
Hot-shot lasguns are lasguns with a reinforced barrel using a higher capacity cell. And even then, they really should just be called 'lasguns', because the 'hot-shot' part comes from what the power cell is called.
It's an irksome thing that Cruddace brought back hot-shot lasguns for Stormtroopers, because it's a stupid moniker that should have been left in 2nd edition.
So it WAS just a case of me using the "wrong" word and you using it as a deflection.
You, sir, are awesome.
You win, Kan, as I don't take the fluff that seriously.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Steelmage99 wrote:Kanluwen wrote:
Aaron Dempski-Bowden (sp) has his Hot-shot Lasguns setting people on fire (not full immolation, mind you). I also believe they shoot a Dread with Lasguns in that novel (Cadian Blood).
Where does he have Hellguns setting people on fire? He never once calls the Kasrkin's weapons "hot-shot Lasguns", he calls them their proper name of "Hellguns".
When the Storm Troopers enter through the skylights.
If this is just about me using the wrong word, then you win one (1) InterWebz.
Quite frankly:
"hot-shot lasguns" and "hellguns" are two entirely different beasts. Hellguns are a backpack powered, higher discharge assault 'lasgun'.
Hot-shot lasguns are lasguns with a reinforced barrel using a higher capacity cell. And even then, they really should just be called 'lasguns', because the 'hot-shot' part comes from what the power cell is called.
It's an irksome thing that Cruddace brought back hot-shot lasguns for Stormtroopers, because it's a stupid moniker that should have been left in 2nd edition.
So it WAS just a case of me using the "wrong" word and you using it as a deflection.
You, sir, are awesome.
You win, Kan, as I don't take the fluff that seriously.
Well no, he doesn't have people being set on fire by the shots from the Hellgun. That was the point I was making.
You may have been confused though, because there is a bit in there about "the stench of burnt flesh" being overpowering...but that's what laser weaponry would do. Burn a hole through flesh, cauterizing the wound as they go.
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Post by: Dark Scipio
Steelmage99 wrote:...
You dont remember it, but complain. When your someone points out your failure you get rude blame other to be a nerd becaue you cool as your ,, don't take the fluff that seriously." despite showing the exact opposite shortly before.
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Post by: MechaEmperor7000
Maybe people would take you more seriously Kan if you actually argued with sensible facts than try to poison the well by pointing out small misconceptions. A civil way would have been to say "For the record, it's called a Hellgun, but it's a common mistake".
Also, yes, I still call Hot-shot lasguns "Hellguns". Sounds cooler.
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Post by: Kanluwen
MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Maybe people would take you more seriously Kan if you actually argued with sensible facts than try to poison the well by pointing out small misconceptions. A civil way would have been to say "For the record, it's called a Hellgun, but it's a common mistake".
Also, yes, I still call Hot-shot lasguns "Hellguns". Sounds cooler.
Actually, that was the point I was making. It's a perfectly sensible fact and not "poisoning the well by pointing out small misconceptions".
He was wrong because never once is the word "hot-shot" used in the entirety of the book 'Cadian Blood'. Every time the Kasrkin are mentioned, they're mentioned as very distinctly having "hellguns".
The only book I can think of that has had "hot-shot" weaponry as being something other than just a variant power cell was "Redemption Corps".
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Post by: MechaEmperor7000
Kanluwen wrote:MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Maybe people would take you more seriously Kan if you actually argued with sensible facts than try to poison the well by pointing out small misconceptions. A civil way would have been to say "For the record, it's called a Hellgun, but it's a common mistake".
Also, yes, I still call Hot-shot lasguns "Hellguns". Sounds cooler.
Actually, that was the point I was making. It's a perfectly sensible fact and not "poisoning the well by pointing out small misconceptions".
He was wrong because never once is the word "hot-shot" used in the entirety of the book 'Cadian Blood'. Every time the Kasrkin are mentioned, they're mentioned as very distinctly having "hellguns".
The only book I can think of that has had "hot-shot" weaponry as being something other than just a variant power cell was "Redemption Corps".
So instead of helpfully correcting him, you verbally pound him into the ground?
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Post by: Kanluwen
What "verbally pounded him into the ground"?
He posted wrong information. I corrected him. Maybe you thought the italics were too much or rude, but they were for emphasis.
Again: "hot-shot" never appears in 'Cadian Blood'. I pointed that out when I said
Where does he have Hellguns setting people on fire? He never once calls the Kasrkin's weapons "hot-shot Lasguns", he calls them their proper name of "Hellguns".
This may just be a case where you're inferring a tone/attitude from my post that isn't there.
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Post by: Steelmage99
Kanluwen wrote:Steelmage99 wrote:Kanluwen wrote:
Aaron Dempski-Bowden (sp) has his Hot-shot Lasguns setting people on fire (not full immolation, mind you). I also believe they shoot a Dread with Lasguns in that novel (Cadian Blood).
Where does he have Hellguns setting people on fire? He never once calls the Kasrkin's weapons "hot-shot Lasguns", he calls them their proper name of "Hellguns".
When the Storm Troopers enter through the skylights.
If this is just about me using the wrong word, then you win one (1) InterWebz.
Quite frankly:
"hot-shot lasguns" and "hellguns" are two entirely different beasts. Hellguns are a backpack powered, higher discharge assault 'lasgun'.
Hot-shot lasguns are lasguns with a reinforced barrel using a higher capacity cell. And even then, they really should just be called 'lasguns', because the 'hot-shot' part comes from what the power cell is called.
It's an irksome thing that Cruddace brought back hot-shot lasguns for Stormtroopers, because it's a stupid moniker that should have been left in 2nd edition.
So it WAS just a case of me using the "wrong" word and you using it as a deflection.
You, sir, are awesome.
You win, Kan, as I don't take the fluff that seriously.
Well no, he doesn't have people being set on fire by the shots from the Hellgun. That was the point I was making.
You may have been confused though, because there is a bit in there about "the stench of burnt flesh" being overpowering...but that's what laser weaponry would do. Burn a hole through flesh, cauterizing the wound as they go.
So, had I said that "Dempski-Bowden has Hot-shot Lasgun setting people on fire (not full immolation, mind you)" you wouldn't have felt the need to complain?
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Post by: MechaEmperor7000
Given that I'm not the only one who gets these "infered tone/attitudes" from your posts, I'd say it's more than just people misunderstanding you. You aggressively defending yourself whenever someone points this out with long-winded posts filled with emphasis and the fact that you could have just said "it's a common misconception" didnt help either.
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Post by: Kanluwen
So, had I said that "Dempski-Bowden has Hot-shot Lasgun setting people on fire (not full immolation, mind you)" you wouldn't have felt the need to complain?
What "complaining"? I'm correcting you.
He never once had anyone being "set on fire" by either Hellguns or Lasguns.
And had you still said "Dem bski-Bowden has Hellguns setting people on fire (not full immolation, mind you)" I still would have corrected you.
Lasguns don't "set people on fire". They set clothes on fire if someone's hit with the shots enough times, but they don't set people on fire.
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Post by: case013
Kanluwen has a point. Two completely different weapon systems. And calling a hot shot las a hellgun because it's "cooler"? A grot is still a grot and not an ork because you call him an ork.
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Post by: Steelmage99
Dark Scipio wrote:Steelmage99 wrote:...
You dont remember it, but complain. When your someone points out your failure you get rude blame other to be a nerd becaue you cool as your ,, don't take the fluff that seriously." despite showing the exact opposite shortly before.
What are you talking about?
These were my answers;
Yeah, I remember those two situations distinctly. I will not rule out that I have gotten things mixed up.
Yeah, it seems I was wrong about that one, too. Oh well.
OK.
Do these somehow tell you that I am taking this very seriously?
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Post by: Kanluwen
MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Given that I'm not the only one who gets these "infered tone/attitudes" from your posts, I'd say it's more than just people misunderstanding you. You aggressively defending yourself whenever someone points this out with long-winded posts filled with emphasis and the fact that you could have just said "it's a common misconception" didnt help either.
Then maybe people need to step back and realize that I'm not posting aggressively.
And actually, you're pretty much the only person I know of who gets these "inferred tone/attitudes" from my posts.
I don't post "aggressively" or at least I try not to. The problem is that emphasis makes it come across as aggressive or sometimes smarmy.
Maybe I just need to use more fething smileys to keep you off my back. 
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Post by: Steelmage99
Kan....you win!
You get your "Internet-high-of-the-day" off of me. Enjoy!
Your pedantic and aggressive manner of posting has me disinclined to continue talking to you.
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Post by: MechaEmperor7000
My Hot-Shot Lasguns are "Hellgun" pattern lasguns with hot-shot parts. =P
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Post by: Kanluwen
MechaEmperor7000 wrote:My Hot-Shot Lasguns are "Hellgun" pattern lasguns with hot-shot parts. =P
I just use Kasrkin models if I feel the need to use Stormtroopers.
I despise the old Stormtrooper models.
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Post by: case013
MechaEmperor7000 wrote:My Hot-Shot Lasguns are "Hellgun" pattern lasguns with hot-shot parts. =P
wait so does that mean they have all the sweet suppression systems that the hot shot lasguns have with hellgun awesomeness? if so i'll take 2 please
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Post by: MechaEmperor7000
I use my own converted ones because 1.) Kasrkins is too expensive to buy en mass for an Inquisitor army and 2.) More excuse for me to call them whatever the hell I want.
EDIT: Mine does ;D
*cue nerdrage*
*Hands case013 two "Hellgun" pattern Hotshot Lasguns*
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Post by: Dark Scipio
Steelmage99 wrote:Dark Scipio wrote:Steelmage99 wrote:...
You dont remember it, but complain. When your someone points out your failure you get rude blame other to be a nerd becaue you cool as your ,, don't take the fluff that seriously." despite showing the exact opposite shortly before.
What are you talking about?
These were my answers;
Yeah, I remember those two situations distinctly. I will not rule out that I have gotten things mixed up.
Yeah, it seems I was wrong about that one, too. Oh well.
OK.
Do these somehow tell you that I am taking this very seriously?
If you dont take the fluff ,,that seriously", why do you complain about something contradicting it?
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Post by: Kanluwen
Kasrkins aren't that expensive, provided you get them secondhand
I got some 30+ Kasrkin, new and in box, for $35 USD off a local player when the new IG book hit.
That's 3 boxes...for around the price of a box! AND what's more, I got enough melta/plasmaguns to field them as hardened veterans in carapace armor!
Of course, after I opened the boxes...they were all missing the flamers. GW was nice enough to send me replacements...but since they changed up their mail order and don't readily have spare bits like that...they sent me THREE MORE PLASMA/MELTAGUN BLISTERS!
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Post by: MechaEmperor7000
You are lucky enough to find those deals. People here love their Kasrkin models, so each box comes to about 45 CAD (which is more or less on par with 45USD now) even when bought on a discount.
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Post by: case013
you definitely got hooked up.
<<<<jealous much>
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Post by: Kanluwen
The trick is to ask around right as the new book hits. People freak out because they see something getting overpriced, etc in points and do a mass-dump of their stuff they'd had saved up.
The most fun part is the guy acted like I was the sucker.
Joke's on you! I got 30+ of my favorite models for the price of 10!
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Post by: Steelmage99
Dark Scipio wrote:Steelmage99 wrote:Dark Scipio wrote:Steelmage99 wrote:...
You dont remember it, but complain. When your someone points out your failure you get rude blame other to be a nerd becaue you cool as your ,, don't take the fluff that seriously." despite showing the exact opposite shortly before.
What are you talking about? These were my answers; Yeah, I remember those two situations distinctly. I will not rule out that I have gotten things mixed up.
Yeah, it seems I was wrong about that one, too. Oh well.
OK.
Do these somehow tell you that I am taking this very seriously?
If you dont take the fluff ,,that seriously", why do you complain about something contradicting it?
If you notice, I am not taking exception to being corrected on the fluff. It is the manner in which it is served, I take issue with. So, I misremembered about the Dreadnoughts?.....Ok, no problem. So, Kan and I disagree about what exactly a "Tube Charge" is?....Fine, no biggie. Kan doesn't remember about the Storm Troopers and the effect of their weapons in "Cadian Blood"?...and here comes the issue. Kan deflects by making this about how important it is to keep Hellgun and Hot-shot apart (in the fluff, no less). He is right, of course. Hell Guns is the assault armament of the Storm Troopers and Hot-Shot (Long-las) is a sniper-like weapon. But was that really what was being refered to when I said that "weapon X set people on fire"? Kan should have focused on the "on fire"-part, instead of the "weapon X"-part......but he didn't and here we stand. He took exception to the "on fire"-part but used the "Weapon X"-part as the argument. On top of that he chose to do so in his usual abrasive manner.
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Post by: case013
very nice. the kasrkin squads are just awesome looking. when i was in the military we had to order new body armor for the VBSS teams on our ship. so i was talking to my Lt. at the time and he's like I'm not sure which one to get. So i was like does it come Kasrkin? got a very slowed look for that one
the answer is no. it does not come in kasrkin...yet
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Post by: Kanluwen
Kan doesn't remember about the Storm Troopers and the effect of their weapons in "Cadian Blood"?...and here comes the issue.
Kan deflects by making this about how important it is to keep Hellgun and Hot-shot apart (in the fluff, no less).
Actually no. I didn't "deflect".
You're wrong. "Cadian Blood" never once uses the term 'hot-shot'. There's no snipers in there either, so you're just making crap up or mixing two books up.
He is right, of course. Hell Guns are the assault armament of the Storm Troopers and Hot-Shot (Long-las) is a sniper-like weapon. But was that really what was being refered to when I said that "weapon X set people on fire"?
'Hot-shot' isn't a weapon. It's a type of ammunition.
You don't call a M203 loaded with a smoke grenade a "M203(Smoke)". You call it a M203.
Kan should have focused on the "on fire"-part, instead of the "weapon X"-part......but he didn't and here we stand. He took exception to the "on fire"-part but used the "Weapon X"-part as the argument.
I'd suggest you go back and reread my post.
Because, again: Never ONCE is the word "hot-shot" used.
I will give you that I can see why you mistook the "on fire" part. Because it says on page 83:
"Several of the Remnant hit by the las-fire burst into flames as their clothes caught light."--but that's before the Kasrkin even deploy. That's the Cadians already in there, firing their weapons at full charge.
Page 83-84:
"For a handful of seconds, the chamber was illuminated in an insane display of strobing laser light: red from the lasguns, purple-white from Cruor's hellguns."
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Post by: Steelmage99
Yes, you are awesome.
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Post by: metallifan
C.S. Goto's wikipedia page is locked to prevent vandalism.
That alone should be a hint as to how craptastic his BL stories are.
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Post by: MechaEmperor7000
I am actually kinda surprised he has a Wiki page.
(Not insulting him actually. I really didnt think BL writers had wiki pages).
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Post by: Steelmage99
metallifan wrote:C.S. Goto's wikipedia page is locked to prevent vandalism.
That alone should be a hint as to how craptastic his BL stories are.
Yeah, people kept changing every other word to "multi lazor". 
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Post by: metallifan
MechaEmperor7000 wrote:I am actually kinda surprised he has a Wiki page.
(Not insulting him actually. I really didnt think BL writers had wiki pages).
He probably started it himself
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Post by: VikingScott
You can even check the old versions of the page to check it out.
In one old thread I think Not_U links it and hsows his handiwork. It was funny.
But It might not of been him but my memory fails me slightly. Automatically Appended Next Post: Ah. Here's the particular edit I was talking about.
I remember the user saying they even took the name Multilazor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cassern_S._Goto&oldid=329863137
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Post by: case013
Just one of those things that makes you kinda shake your head. I mean the editor's should say something about some of this stuff. Kind of like when you read one of the books from the Black Library and there a spelling errors or double printed words. It's like wow guess editor wasnt paying much attention.
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Post by: Kanluwen
When C.S. Goto was writing there was no real editorial oversight.
What's more, from my understanding, he only got to write because he was a 'friend of a friend' and was being given work.
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Post by: metallifan
VikingScott wrote:You can even check the old versions of the page to check it out.
In one old thread I think Not_U links it and hsows his handiwork. It was funny.
But It might not of been him but my memory fails me slightly.
Gwar! quoted the one I did where -every- word was changed to "MULTILAZ0R" and all that remained were suffixes - "ed" "ing" "ally", etc... and joining words - "and", "the", "for", so on... Ever try to make sense of the sentance "The MULTILAZ0R's MULTILAZ0R of MULTILAZ0RS in the MULTILAZ0Red MULTILAZ0Rverse has MULTILAZ0Red MULTILAZ0R MULTILAZ0Rs"? Yep, one of my prouder moments
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Post by: case013
I've seen that floating around too. Well we see what the whole "friend of a friend" got us. Fething back flipping Terminators. Though i would pay good money to see the Despoiler do one.
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Post by: VikingScott
Here's a Dakka thread with C.S Multilasor stuff in it.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/268096.page
Hey Metallifan what name did you use on wiki? I'll look for it and quote it for the newlings.
Also what happened to Gwar! ?
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Post by: Just Dave
I can't imagine the "friend of a friend" thing was the whole story. I hate Goto's work as much as the next person, but "friend of a friend" doesn't account for however many books he wrote for the black library (6?).
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Post by: VikingScott
Possibly Metalifan? wrote: C.S Goto's MULTILASERs have MULTILASERed MULTILASERed MULTILASERs and MULTILASERed MULTILASER amongst MULTILASERs. Negative MULTILASERSs of Goto's MULTILASERhammer MULTILASERs have MULTILASERcised the MULTILASER's lack of MULTILASER to MULTILASER MULTILASERground (MULTILASERally known as "MULTILASERS"). MULTILASER MULTILASER, many of the MULTILASERs are MULTILASER and MULTILASER Goto's work for its style of MULTILASERing and MULTILASERs by MULTILASER
Was this it?
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Post by: Kanluwen
Just Dave wrote:I can't imagine the "friend of a friend" thing was the whole story. I hate Goto's work as much as the next person, but "friend of a friend" doesn't account for however many books he wrote for the black library (6?).
It does account for how he got the Dawn of War books however.
Because let's face it: his short stories were crap. There's no way they'd just give him the novelization of their first big PC game in a long time, after he'd previously published one short story.
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Post by: Just Dave
Oh yeah, it wouldn't surprise me, but as I said, it's likely not the whole story and nor would it account for his several other novels...
Anyways, I'll let you guys carry on with the Goto-bashing. Don't forget the torturing of the Eldar 'seer for several hundred pages... 
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Post by: metallifan
VikingScott wrote:Possibly Metalifan? wrote: C.S Goto's MULTILASERs have MULTILASERed MULTILASERed MULTILASERs and MULTILASERed MULTILASER amongst MULTILASERs. Negative MULTILASERSs of Goto's MULTILASERhammer MULTILASERs have MULTILASERcised the MULTILASER's lack of MULTILASER to MULTILASER MULTILASERground (MULTILASERally known as "MULTILASERS"). MULTILASER MULTILASER, many of the MULTILASERs are MULTILASER and MULTILASER Goto's work for its style of MULTILASERing and MULTILASERs by MULTILASER
Was this it?
That would be the one, yea 
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Post by: VikingScott
Just Dave wrote:Oh yeah, it wouldn't surprise me, but as I said, it's likely not the whole story and nor would it account for his several other novels...
Anyways, I'll let you guys carry on with the Goto-bashing. Don't forget the torturing of the Eldar 'seer for several hundred pages...
Eldar Prophecy. A book of torture pron.
Also here's Goto's portrait:
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Post by: metallifan
Isn't Eldar Prophecy the one where the Space Marine full-on rapes the farseer, or was that one of the 'Warrior' books?
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Post by: Howard A Treesong
Kanluwen wrote:Basically: the guy's a self-admitted moron. He tries to play it off now like "LULZ GUYZ JUS' TROLLIN'!" but in reality: he didn't know feth all about what he was doing, and he only got the job because he 'knew a guy'.
Well if true that say says a fair bit about the way Black Library editors select writers to work on their range, not that nepotism is a new thing in the world of publishing.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Howard A Treesong wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Basically: the guy's a self-admitted moron. He tries to play it off now like "LULZ GUYZ JUS' TROLLIN'!" but in reality: he didn't know feth all about what he was doing, and he only got the job because he 'knew a guy'.
Well if true that say says a fair bit about the way Black Library editors select writers to work on their range, not that nepotism is a new thing in the world of publishing.
Not really.
They've done a lot to move past those days. Nobody wants to see another C.S. Goto
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Post by: rovian
weirD
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Isn't there Space Wolf recruits who are well established warlords in their Fenrisan tribe before the "Sky Warriors" come to take them away? I thought this happened to Wolf Lord Morkai? Also isn't Canis the same? yes I think so
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Post by: Kilkrazy
MechaEmperor7000 wrote:I am actually kinda surprised he has a Wiki page.
(Not insulting him actually. I really didnt think BL writers had wiki pages).
Anyone can make a Wikipedia page about anything, that's the point of it.
A lot of pages are just copied out of other encyclopaedias and text books, however there is a mine of otherwise unavailable information on various aspects of popular culture.
Look up Card Captor Sakura, for instance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Card_Captor_Sakura
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Post by: Kroothawk
VikingScott wrote:Eldar Prophecy. A book of torture pron.
metallifan wrote:Isn't Eldar Prophecy the one where the Space Marine full-on rapes the farseer, or was that one of the 'Warrior' books?
Gave up reading Eldar Prophecy, but in Dawn of War Tempest an already injured female Edlar Farseer is tortured for 180 pages before she is finally allowed to die. And a mute Eldar Harlequin Solitaire is tortured so intensively until he screams (the other Harlequins are the aforementioned "piles of mutilated bodies" (quote).
Warrior Coven is the book where Goto enjoys to kill the last possible (female) Shining Spear Exarch of Ulthwé with the help of Eldrad and the Slaanesh worshipping female chair of the Farseer council and the Slaanesh worshipping Dark Eldar.
And Tales of the Dark Millenium features the story where the fat drooling child molesting Farseer leading the Slaanesh worshippers takes the female helpless child Farseer by the hand and leads her away to an unknown future.
You get the idea.
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Post by: case013
Kroothawk wrote:Gave up reading Eldar Prophecy, but in Dawn of War Tempest an already injured female Edlar Farseer is tortured for 180 pages before she is finally allowed to die. And a mute Eldar Harlequin Solitaire is tortured so intensively until he screams (the other Harlequins are the aforementioned "piles of mutilated bodies" (quote).
Warrior Coven is the book where Goto enjoys to kill the last possible (female) Shining Spear Exarch of Ulthwé with the help of Eldrad and the Slaanesh worshipping female chair of the Farseer council and the Slaanesh worshipping Dark Eldar.
And Tales of the Dark Millenium features the story where the fat drooling child molesting Farseer leading the Slaanesh worshippers takes the female helpless child Farseer by the hand and leads her away to an unknown future.
You get the idea.
I had forgotten about all of these things...maybe there is a reason for that. could it possibly be bad writing and complete lack of interest in the books and short story.
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Post by: metallifan
I think he just walked into a GW one day, saw people playing a game, read a couple short stories in some Codi, and then contacted BL with an email stating "HAI GUISE! I NO LOTS ABOUT WARTHING 400! I CAN RITE BUKS 4 U? LOLTHANXBAI!"
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Post by: MechaEmperor7000
That'd make a really good drinking game, take a shot every single time MULTILAZOR comes up.
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Post by: Asherian Command
Lol
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Multilaser Multilaser Multilaser (born 1970[this pleases him]) is an author primarily notable for his novels and short stories set in the Multilaser universe. He got his start with several short multilasers published in Multilaser! magazine and his first multilaser, a Multilaseration of Dawn of War, appeared in 2004. Born in Multilaser, he now lives on the Multilaser coast of Multilaser(this pleases him).
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* 1 Multilasers
* 2 Multilasers
o 2.1 Dawn of Multilaser series
o 2.2 Multilaser series
* 3 Multilaser Reception
* 4 External Multilasers
Multilasers
* The Multilaser of Multilasers
Originally published in Multilaser! #42, May 2004
* Menshad Multilaser
Originally published in Multilaser! #46, January 2005
Reprinted in the anthology Bringers of Multilaser (Black Multilaser, 2005).
* Tears of Multilaser
* Multilaser
Published in Multilasers from the Dark Multilaser anthology (Black Multilaser, 2006)
Multilasers
* Multilaser (2005)
* Eldar Please me Greatly (2007)
Dawn of Multilaser series
* Multilaser 40,000: Dawn of Multilaser (2004)
* Dawn of Multilaser: Multilaser (2005)
* Dawn of Multilaser: It Pleases Me (2006)
Multilaser series
* Multilaser brood (2005)
* Warrior Multilaser (2006)
Multilaser Reception
Multilaser Multilaser Multilaser's multilasers have caused mixed multilasers and heated multilasers amongst multilasers (this pleases him). Negative Multilasers of Multilaser's Multilaser Multilasers have criticised the Multilaser's lack of Multilaser to Multilaser background (colloquially known as "MULT1LAS0RZ"). Despite this, many of the Multilasers are positive and praise Multilaser's work for its style of multilaser and multilaseration of the multilaser. Most prominent among these are the Dawn of Multilaser novels, which are based on the Multilaser Games by Multilaser (this pleases him)
The explosion of the amount of multilaser created by Multilaser Multilaser Multilaser would not come without consequences. At one point the disturbance created by the level of multilaseration in the world caused the European continent to fracture, thus the lesser known island country called Multilaserland was created (this pleases him). Multilaser Multilaser Multilaser's house happened to be the only house on his side of the fracture which lead to the island breaking off of the continent. Multilaserland drifts around the Pacific Ocean circling the globe, occasionally it comes into contact with England, where Multilaser Multilaser Multilaser drops off his latest novel for the Black Library. This tour of the globe, however, makes it rare to actually see Multilaser Multilaser Multilaser leading to rumors that he had actually died in the early 90s. This rumor was however disproved when he was later seen putting the finishing touches on his latest novel in a Starbucks. Multilaser Multilaser Multilaser is currently negotiating with the worlds greatest engineers to try to make Multilaserland into the world's first hover-continent and it's design is intended to have extra rock and stick protection (this pleases him)[citation needed]
Made my day
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Post by: case013
Oh man i laughed out loud so hard at that
oh and mechaemporer that drinking game would definitely lead to alcohol poisoning
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Post by: Howard A Treesong
Didn't Goto write about the backflipping Terminators?
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Post by: Asherian Command
Howard A Treesong wrote:Didn't Goto write about the backflipping Terminators?
Yeah he did.
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Post by: metallifan
Howard A Treesong wrote:Didn't Goto write about the backflipping Terminators?
And the mega-morphing power Razorback... Land Raider... Razorback... Land Raider... Tank.
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Post by: Footsloggin
I thought it would be further refered to as the Land Razor! 
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Post by: AdeptusAssfartes
metallifan wrote:Howard A Treesong wrote:Didn't Goto write about the backflipping Terminators?
And the mega-morphing power Razorback... Land Raider... Razorback... Land Raider... Tank.
Whats the story with this one?
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Post by: FM Ninja 048
AdeptusAssfartes wrote:metallifan wrote:Howard A Treesong wrote:Didn't Goto write about the backflipping Terminators?
And the mega-morphing power Razorback... Land Raider... Razorback... Land Raider... Tank.
Whats the story with this one?
couldn't make up his mind
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Post by: metallifan
Footsloggin wrote:I thought it would be further refered to as the Land Razor!
Ah yes... metallifan wrote:
Don't forget that it's a morphing Razorback. It has the ability to change from a Razorback to a Land Raider between paragraphs. That makes it a Land Razor, "what is like a normal Land Raider and Razorback only better, and with more Multilasers than you can shake a stick at."
That Land Razor? Goto has a Terminator and Kasrkin be BFF's and ride around on on a Razorback. Only he forgets that it was a Razorback in the previous paragraph and instead writes "Land Raider" in the next one, before remembering that it actually -was- a Razorback, and goes back to calling it such. Though he forgets again by the paragraph following that. This goes on for several pages.
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Post by: case013
sneaky Razorback's always fooling around and changing into landraiders when you least expect it
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Post by: MechaEmperor7000
Footsloggin wrote:I thought it would be further refered to as the Land Razor!
Or maybe Land Lazor!
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Post by: case013
heres my question. is the fething thing an autobot or decepticon
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Post by: Platuan4th
case013 wrote:heres my question. is the fething thing an autobot or decepticon
Neither. It's a Junkion. In fact, it was TWO Junkions. One's altmode was a Razorback, the other a Land Raider. Whenever one was knocked off the top, it transformed and the other became the Marine and they switched places, just like in the original 1986 movie!
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Post by: case013
indeed it is
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Post by: MechaEmperor7000
Platuan4th wrote:case013 wrote:heres my question. is the fething thing an autobot or decepticon
Neither. It's a Junkion.
In fact, it was TWO Junkions. One's altmode was a Razorback, the other a Land Raider. Whenever one was knocked off the top, it transformed and the other became the Marine and they switched places, just like in the original 1986 movie!
I just had to read that to the tune of "Dare to be Stupid".
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Post by: Ribon Fox
Here he is in the 1D4chan wiki (note* NSFW) http://1d4chan.org/wiki/C.S.Goto Their page snipet on Multilaser (Edited for the mods); "Multilasers and C.S.Goto The Multilaser, by and large, is unique to the Imperial Guard; sadly this has not stopped the violator of paper and ink known as C.S.Goto from completely disregarding everything remotely resembling canon and cram them onto absolutely everything due to his raging h***sexuality for the damned things. As of so far, Goto has managed to r**e canon in more than a dozen ways using this weapon alone, including giving them to Space Marines, mounting them on Land Raiders, and hooking them onto Carnifexes. You wish we were kidding about that last one. "
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Post by: metallifan
Platuan4th wrote:case013 wrote:heres my question. is the fething thing an autobot or decepticon
Neither. It's a Junkion.
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