Well, here we go.
What is your opinion on the new Dreadknight model? Some hate it some love it. Haters usually dominate threads, as seen with the Storm Raven, where most people expressed their hate but polls showed about half the people liking it. Now how about the new Dreadknight model?

I quite like it...
The main reason i like a new codex coming out is because there are usually some pretty awesome looking models as well...

If I play Grey Knights I will definitely be getting 3 of them just because the rules are awesome. The model is merely average. I think all the models are CAD sculpts that have been sitting on the back burner for 3 years. They just aren't up to the same level as the other new plastic kits such as SW BA DE.

The model as a whole is just... I don't know. I dislike it. The fact he is piloting a walker and is fully exposed, well. It seems redundant. Some well aimed shots or explosives and the walker has now become inoperable, because Space Jim is KO'ed. The feet also seem kind of odd, to me anyway. If it was a sarcophagus or something as the centerpiece it would be rocking.

I am sure people will make it work, though. And there will be some pretty awesome conversions. Right now though, it just seems silly, personally.

To be honest, I do not like it, BUT I don't HATE it. It could've been better.

Micromegas wrote:The model as a whole is just... I don't know. I dislike it. The fact he is piloting a walker and is fully exposed

Exactly. What is stopping that Bloodthirster from reaching into the framework and crushing that poor Grey Knight's exposed skull?

I find it pretty ugly. The baby harness look is awful, and the aesthetics don't match any of the Marine vehicle aesthetics that GW have been carefully building on for years. I find it to be an uglier model than Canis Wolfborn.

However, if you removed the pilot and made it look like there was a guy driving from the inside it might look a little better. The thunderhammer looks awful though.

NoBaconz4You wrote:To be honest, I do not like it, BUT I don't HATE it. It could've been better.

This. I don't like the GK just hanging there, but I'll still field them.

Looking at the parts, however, it looks like not adding the marine is a possibility. If that's the case, I'll be happy to get them.

I need to work on the GK baby carrier on it's chest, then it would be an awesome model. Beyond that, it's good.

Putting an un-helmeted guy in termi armor in more armor? Hella stupid.

I love it. Lovelovelovelove it. I want a friend to play GK just so I can fawn over that model.

There is no question the model will sell. There will be people will want it as a part of their list, those who find it "good enough" looking, and those who buy it with the intention of converting it. However, according to responses throughout Dakka (ie not just this poll), there are few who outright like the model.

My question is what goes through GW's mind when it designs and releases a model like this. It is clearly against the 40k and Imperial asthetic. Surely GW knows this, so why go along with it? As for the more subjective appeal of the model (ie not considering it against the rest of the 40k line), are you telling me GW can't recognize the oddities of this model that would lead to few, if any actually liking it outright?

It looks quite good, it is not like there is no option for a helmet for the terminator. This is another "I hate the look of the model" trend that I don't seem to understand. I'm not saying everyone should love it but is it really that bad? Sometimes I think people just like to make fun of things. The stormraven looks good and fits with the aesthetics of a marine army. This looks good too and fits with the whole "higher technology" thing that the grey knights seem to have.

Honestly, I don't like it. It breaks from the imperial aesthetic, and should I ever play Gray Knights and put one in my list, I'd rather scratchbuild something in between a Dradnought and a Titan.

More boxy and clumsy looking =)

Trickstick wrote:It looks quite good, it is not like there is no option for a helmet for the terminator. This is another "I hate the look of the model" trend that I don't seem to understand. I'm not saying everyone should love it but is it really that bad? Sometimes I think people just like to make fun of things. The stormraven looks good and fits with the aesthetics of a marine army. This looks good too and fits with the whole "higher technology" thing that the grey knights seem to have.

The thing is this doesn't fit in with the Marine aesthetics. There's absolutely no precedent for this, and nothing looks similar in any way. Imperial vehicles aren't smooth.

As a stand alone model it looks great. At least it's not Optimus Prime we all thought it was. Design wise, it fits in with the aesthetic of the GKs themselves, but not imperial vehicles.

Personally I think it's the "new" version of the Knight Paladin. Remember how the Trygon and Tomb Stalkers were suppose to be these gargantuan creatures and yet the models we have are....less then comparable? Comparing the DK to an actual FW titan and the aesthetic comes together somewhat.

Trickstick wrote:It looks quite good, it is not like there is no option for a helmet for the terminator. This is another "I hate the look of the model" trend that I don't seem to understand. I'm not saying everyone should love it but is it really that bad? Sometimes I think people just like to make fun of things. The stormraven looks good and fits with the aesthetics of a marine army. This looks good too and fits with the whole "higher technology" thing that the grey knights seem to have.

I don't think this is mob mentality or what have you. Furthermore, if you open yourself up to something that is accessible enough to be "picked on" or made fun of by a wide audience, then chances are... Not everyone is going to like everything. It really is that bad, TO ME.

Even with a helmet on, you are half-reducing the purpose of a walker unit -- the protection it affords. Throwing a termie onto a walker is just superfluous. Its like putting your dog in a yoyo so you can yoyo while . . .

Sorry, it just seems a poor choice and a waste of resources -- to me.

As a design choice it might have been better to stick something akin to a Dreadnought Sarcophagus on the front. Would be in line with the name "Dreadknight"

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Comparing the DK to an actual FW titan and the aesthetic comes together somewhat.

This. This is very true.

Getting 3.

A friend just mentioned "IT'd be more like a Rhino with legs" on msn xD

Ig uess it's a good start for a scratchbuild instead of the original model (1000 hours on ms paint later...)

Seriously, if that hunk of junk has 4 wounds and is an MC, my broadsides should be able to fly and drop nukes.

agnosto wrote:Seriously, if that hunk of junk has 4 wounds and is an MC, my broadsides should be able to fly and drop nukes.

Don't say that! It might happen... You don't want to give GW (Read:Matt Ward) ideas like that.

I always thought daemon hunters were a dumb idea. Why make an army that totally gimps another army? There's just no point in taking a Daemon army in tournaments now....or friendlies againts at GK player.

After Space Jesus and the Chibihawk, I really dont care anymore about continuity. The thing looks awesome (bar the baby harness) and that's all I care about.

I would like to see it converted into a powerloader in a game against Tyranids.

I love it. Could it have been even more awesome? Most likely. Will I convert it to some degree? Also likely. We will see. A real point for criticism seems to me that the legs are not as posable as they could be. Same problem with the arms. They could have done more there. But that is besides the topic here.

Also I do not feel that it is such a strong break with the Marine aesthetic as many people make it out to be. The Dreadknight emulates more the actual armour of the Marines and Terminators and less the actual vehicles like Landraider and Rhino. It is an exosceleton after all. Fluff also says that those things are quite old and sophisticated. It looks quite sophisticated. Seems fine to me. It has also all the usual Greyknight bling. And curved armor is not exactly unheard of in marine vehicles. The closest comparison, the Dreadnought, has rounded armour on its legs as well and the arms aren´t exactly square either. The new Furioso has rounded extra armourplates as well.

By the way. Arguing about "realism" in 40k seems to me to be silly to the extreme. It is not exactly new that we see minis go bareheaded on the battlefield. In this case it seems that the suspension of disbelief doesn´t stretch far enough for quite a number of people to accept it as it is. Use the helmet then and get over it.

Bottomline: If you don´t like it, fine. But don´t be silly about it.

Yak9UT wrote:I would like to see it converted into a powerloader in a game against Tyranids.

We do already have this though http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Imperial_Guard_Support_Vehicles/SENTINEL-POWERLIFTER.html

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:

Yak9UT wrote:I would like to see it converted into a powerloader in a game against Tyranids.

We do already have this though http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Imperial_Guard_Support_Vehicles/SENTINEL-POWERLIFTER.html

Yes I know about the sentinal pwerlifter but it dosent look as much of a Aliens powerloader as the dreadknight does

My opinion on the dreadknight? Highly salvageable, unlike the chibi hawk. Great design idea, it just needed a different approach to the modelling itself.

You need a final option: Hate the model, love the rules.

That's the camp I'm in. The DK rules are good enough that I'm going to run 2-3... all the time.

Remember when GW thought this model was a good idea?


And then they came out with this one?

And things made more sense.

And now GW's come out with another model with a guy bolted to the front of a vehicle instead of inside of it like a sensible person.

I personally love it...I don't care if it fits into the aesthetic of the imperium, which ultimately comes down to...'hey, we found this random design in an ancient computer, let's built it in a thousand years' anyway.

Every now and again, the Adeptus Mechanicus has to find something truly good or different. This looks to me like something that has actually been preserved from the Golden age of humanity that is constantly alluded to in all the books anyway.

I don't play Grey Knights and probably won't, but for once, I might buy this model just for the look!

None of the options fitted the bill.
I quite like the walker but won't be buying one. Yer man looks a bit like a target but it fits with the Penitence engine design.
So I have no problems with it not looking like a dread.

The Fredknight is better than a Stormraven imho Kroot and is probably more aerodynamic with more chance of actaully being able to get airbourne!

ps left in the typo in honour of Andrew Flintoff.


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pps The Eldar one says the dude is protected by fields of protective stuff so he's okay. The Dreadknight presumably has no such invisible barrier to pain and mutillation.
He must feel so vunerable.

Maybe Grey Knight Land Raider Crusaders have their driver also pinned to the outside

... and your option is "Yes, it is awesome and I WOULD buy one or several" (i.e. if I collected Grey Knights)

Can you add in a poll question for "not a fan of this or any of the GK models" or something similar? I don't think I'm the only one who doesn't really care for any of the models shown. Most knew GW models are great (most), but this whole range seems like a bit of a letdown. Lets compare this Dreadknight with the Arachnarok that Orcs and Goblins got in the fantasy section...yeah, that spider is BEAUTIFUL-the Dreadknight and most of the GK range fails. Just this man's opinion

I like the potential cartoony fun of the Knight getting splatted into the ground when the Landraider door drops open!

I would possibly play GK if I could have Daffy Duck on the front of the LR!

I am now in love with this image. Should I get one, I will model it like this

Brother SRM wrote:

Trickstick wrote:It looks quite good, it is not like there is no option for a helmet for the terminator. This is another "I hate the look of the model" trend that I don't seem to understand. I'm not saying everyone should love it but is it really that bad? Sometimes I think people just like to make fun of things. The stormraven looks good and fits with the aesthetics of a marine army. This looks good too and fits with the whole "higher technology" thing that the grey knights seem to have.

The thing is this doesn't fit in with the Marine aesthetics. There's absolutely no precedent for this, and nothing looks similar in any way. Imperial vehicles aren't smooth.

What are the other Marine MCs that it would fit the aesthetic of? I'd like to see someone superimpose a scaled GK terminator (without shoulder pads) over top of the Dreadknight picture. I bet they would have similar profiles.

I like it, and will likely buy 2 ... depending on the rules of course. I'm looking for something to fill the role that the Wraithlord does.

I don't hate it. All I see are conversion parts and a whole feth-ton of opportunity.

Vastly superior to Chibihawk.

I'm getting 2 or 3.

Mukkin'About wrote:
I am now in love with this image. Should I get one, I will model it like this

I was al lready to hate on it, despite its design aesthetic being consistent with the GW design of 'curved = high tech, boxy = low tech', and then I saw this picture. Really, it sums up how I feel about 40,000 and its inherent ridiculousness. Basically, this one goes up to 11.

Will probably replace the baby carrier with an armoured box.
Otherwise, I depending on the price, I could probably scratchbuild something close to it.

Not a fan of most of the new stuff, tbh.
The new termies don't compare to the old ones (either original or 3rd ed).
The new GK don't compare and the double stick mags for the SBs look stupid.

I'll be keeping an eye out for dumped metals as the noobs replace them with the plastics - and then the plastics three months later as the initial buzz wears off.

solkan wrote:
And now GW's come out with another model with a guy bolted to the front of a vehicle instead of inside of it like a sensible person.

Guardian in mesh armor is hardly equivalent to a Grey Knight in Terminator armor. How much more protection can he need? He's already in Terminator Armor.

my opinion is its alright butkinda like the thingos from Avatar( Person punches mec punches) hey idk..

I don't care for it at all, the exposed pilot and baby seat are full slowed. The new bolter (heavy bolter? psycannon?) looks like it was bodged together from spare bolter parts in Ork fashion, and clashes head-on with the Grey Knight aesthetic. The Psilencer is a very bad pun in a setting full of bad puns, and that's saying a lot. After all, this is a setting where the Ultramarines, the ultramarine ultra marines from Ultramar, are the greatest heroes of them all. One might have hoped the agents of the Inquisition had a better sense of taste and decorum than that. But I suppose there's no accounting for Matt Ward.

Ugh, I'm starting to rant. I'll just say, nothing can surprise me after GW actually released the Blood Angels' Shortbus.

It's HERESY and no previous fluff to back it, I don't like it and think its a really stupid concept but with pose alterations and a bothered hobbyist it could really turn out pretty bad ass looking, it would be the standard pose that makes it look like a gak salad. looks better? Well so i think with my hobo photoshop skills:
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Dreadknight?

Oh, you mean the new Ork Deff Dread model

Yeah, I might get one for my Ork army.

I have already said my peace and I am not poking my nose further into this controversial topic.

I am still baffled however...

Over 50% like the model so far. Unexpected but that's what the poll was for.

Looks like it's the same case as the Stormraven; the ones that don't like it are more vocal than the ones that do. In thise case the ones that don't like it are even the minority it seems. Myself, I like the Dreadknight and I think it fits with the Grey Knights. The most common arguments seem to be:

Space Marine vehicles should be boxy!
It's not a vehicle, it's a suit. Power Armour -> Tactical Dreadnought Armour -> Dreadknight Armour. Power Armour and Terminator armour is also sleek looking. And Grey Knights have always been more sleek looking than regular Space Marines. Compare Psycannons and Incinerators with Heavy Bolters and Multi-Meltas.

The pilot still wearing his Terminator Armour!
So? The driver of a Landraider is still wearing his armour, and Terminator armour is probably more common than Power Armour for GKs, seeing as every GK has his own personal suit of Terminator Armour.

The Imperium doesn't have any technical advancement, they shouldn't get new stuff!
Simply not true, there have been numerous cases of technological advancement, it's just very slow. But if there's any chapter that should have access to new stuff, it's probably the Grey Knights.

It's too spindly looking!
I actually think it's pretty bulky, especially when you compare it to a Wraithlord or something. Suits me just fine.

Do I think it's the best model GW has released ever? No, not by far. But I do like it, and intend to get at least 1 for GK army, and may eventually get a second one if I like how it plays.

Bought one already. All I can afford this month.

Love the model, love the idea of it (why send 100 GK and a BC to kill a daemon primarch when you can send one Dreadknight? WEll, maybe 3 or 4....) and dont see it as silly - it's awesomely crazy, yes, but people say that like it s abad thing...

Also the stormraven is much, much better than the picutres ever lead you to believe. The unbroken red just didnt work.

Like a lot of people here, I really don't like the Dreadknight but still don't consider it to be a total train-wreck (like the Chibi-Hawk). It's absurd, even by 40K standards, and has a lot of problems, but I see those problems as fixable.

How to fix those problems is another story though. I'd need to see one in the flesh to see if its chief problem - those stupid goofy extra-long legs - can be made to so something other than stand at ease. Then, once that's tackled, it's onto the baby-harness and if that can be replaced with a Ven Dreads sarcophagus. And I'm pretty sure you can leave off the dopey hydraulic arms. Beyond that, the rest of pretty good ('cept the weedy hammer, but I'm more of a Great Sword man myself - that thing is awesome!).

I quite like it, although the one thing I'd leave off would be the servo-arm-things coming out of its shoulders, remove them and it looks rather nice!

L. Wrex

Mukkin'About wrote:
I am now in love with this image. Should I get one, I will model it like this

Yeah, it looks like he's dancing to "Puttin on the Ritz"

You know if there wasn't any powerloaders in aliens, APUs in Matrix, AMP's in Avatar, and this guy: http://io9.com/#!5780317/why-build-a-homemade-exoskeleton-to-freak-out-your-friends-of-course

Then I would probably have a problem with it. As is, it isn't much different than what I have seen in a lot of other fictional universes. In warhammer 40K people seem to get mad if it isn't realistic enough. This thing was made for people who like powerloaders, APUs, and AMPs.

If you didn't like the scene from Aliens where Ripley got in the thing and fought the Queen Alien, then more power to you. But according to popularity and polls, you are in the minority. I think it is safe to say the Dread Knight will sell really good no matter how much the haters hate.

The model is awesome. Until you look at how the pilot is mounted. Now I can't stop looking at it, and its a terrible design. Give the pilot a cockpit and you are golden, the model looks great. However, as is this model looks silly. I would definitely have to convert a cockpit to use it.

I love it, it is over the top and ridiculous, perfect for 40k!

A lot of people are complaining about the front mount nature of it but really? When was the last time any vehicle design from 40k made sense to use in the real world? They normally don't, but are they cool? yup. Just like the DK.

My only gripe is its a little tall, but what ever I'll suck it up and get over it, especially since that'll make it harder for it to get cover, and I dont plan to play GK

Lord Scythican wrote:You know if there wasn't any powerloaders in aliens, APUs in Matrix, AMP's in Avatar, and this guy: http://io9.com/#!5780317/why-build-a-homemade-exoskeleton-to-freak-out-your-friends-of-course

Then I would probably have a problem with it. As is, it isn't much different than what I have seen in a lot of other fictional universes. In warhammer 40K people seem to get mad if it isn't realistic enough. This thing was made for people who like powerloaders, APUs, and AMPs.

If you didn't like the scene from Aliens where Ripley got in the thing and fought the Queen Alien, then more power to you. But according to popularity and polls, you are in the minority. I think it is safe to say the Dread Knight will sell really good no matter how much the haters hate.

I think you're really missing the point.

Powerloaders and APUs were 'improvised'. The Powerloader, for example, was not built for combat. Ripley just opted to use it, because hey--it's not like she had anything else to really work with to kill the Queen. The weapons lockers, munitions, etc were not readily accessible to her and even then--she'd likely kill Newt using the kinds of munitions she'd have to use to down the Queen.

The APU was, again, improvised. The humans didn't have much to work with(not to mention an incredibly limited manufacturing capability) that could down the heavier robots--but mounting heavy weapons on a powered exoskeleton intended for shifting cargo would work.

The AMP, though, is a different beast entirely. As much as I dislike it--I can accept it a bit better. The goal of 'mechs' like the AMP is to provide a more comfortable way for soldiers to be on extended control and to operate better in hazardous environments, while providing them a larger amount of punch.

Plus:

The pilot isn't just 'hanging there' like he is in the Powerloader/Dreadknight. Hell, even the APU has the pilot 'seated'.

If the Dreadknight had an enclosed canopy, the pilot was seated, and the torso functioned as a 'cockpit' of sorts--I'd probably find it more acceptable.

As it is: it's crap.

I like the model but hate the rules. MCs should be xenos territory only imo. It should of been a walker.

Thanks for the poll, It shows that a clear mayority like the modell.

And the complains about not fitting Space Marines:
Dont forget, the =I= forces field the most modern/Advanced equipment of the Imperium (esp. Deathwacht and Grey Knights), much more than even Space Marines.

Protection:
There isnt any pilot hanging there unprotected, I dont like the style, but wearing a Terminator armour is much better than most armoured cabins.

Kanluwen wrote:
I think you're really missing the point.

Powerloaders and APUs were 'improvised'. The Powerloader, for example, was not built for combat. Ripley just opted to use it, because hey--it's not like she had anything else to really work with to kill the Queen. The weapons lockers, munitions, etc were not readily accessible to her and even then--she'd likely kill Newt using the kinds of munitions she'd have to use to down the Queen.

Point wasn't missed. I was just describing what was probably going on in the minds of the designers. GW isn't know for improvising. They make stuff that is all "WOW look at the size of that thing!" And then they completely miss the point and fail. Most people barely recognize the flaws and will buy the stuff up. When over half the population misses the point, you really don't have to appeal to the rest.

So I do agree with you, but it isn't worth complaining too much about. Our complaints fall on deaf ears. Its like beating a dead horse. There isn't a sufficient amount of people willing to show what they mean by withholding their wallets. People should just make the best of it and move on.

Maybe it isn't worth you complaining about it, but I'll complain it as much as I damned well please!

As for "the Inquisition fields the most advanced technology"--sure they do. But again: this isn't "powered armor" or an "exoskeleton". It's crap.

Kanluwen wrote:It's crap.

Your opinion seems to be in the minority, but your voice is not.

Welcome to the internet.

Kanluwen wrote:Maybe it isn't worth you complaining about it, but I'll complain it as much as I damned well please!

As for "the Inquisition fields the most advanced technology"--sure they do. But again: this isn't "powered armor" or an "exoskeleton". It's crap.

You know what? I think I was just having this same conversation with KingCracker and voting in the off topic forum. If everyone thought like you, we would have our demands met. I think I am going to pick up my pitchfork now. Do you have a torch I can borrow?

Dark wrote:I'd rather scratchbuild something in between a Dradnought and a Titan.

Those exist. They're called Knights.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It's crap.

Your opinion seems to be in the minority, but your voice is not.

Welcome to the internet.

And the majority shouldn't be allowed to speak in this case.

The Dreadknight is, quite frankly, an abomination and a slight against the Imperium and Grey Knights in general.

Why the feth do they need some kind of mechanical contraption to suddenly do these things that they've been doing for multiple iterations before using faith, blade, and Terminator armor?

I'm in the crowd of people who voted on "awesome". I just like it. Looks good enough as is to me, and converted I think it will look even cooler!
Just don't get caught hating the haters who hate it. Bad things happen

Kanluwen wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It's crap.

Your opinion seems to be in the minority, but your voice is not.

Welcome to the internet.

And the majority shouldn't be allowed to speak in this case.

You just wrote too much, you better cease.

Mukkin'About wrote:
I am now in love with this image. Should I get one, I will model it like this

classic.
i like the model and i suppose haters gotta hate
lol

Dark Scipio wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It's crap.

Your opinion seems to be in the minority, but your voice is not.

Welcome to the internet.

And the majority shouldn't be allowed to speak in this case.

You just wrote too much, you better cease.

And you've continually attempted to defend this abomination as some kind of "progression" of the Mechanicus.

Progression from what? Them watching The Matrix and getting high off antifreeze?

Seriously. There's no logical progression of any kind of Imperial machinery that existed before.

Kanluwen wrote:And the majority shouldn't be allowed to speak in this case.

I like you, Kan, but you're kind of over the top on this one.

I get that you don't like it, but it is your response to it that is completely disproportional.

You are basically seconds away from Godwin'ing the damn thing.

Are you trying to overcompensate in this case so as to disprove the whole 'apologist' BS?

Kanluwen wrote:Why the feth do they need some kind of mechanical contraption to suddenly do these things that they've been doing for multiple iterations before using faith, blade, and Terminator armor?

Looking at its actual stats and abilities, I think it's a bit funny that the killing of 'big' daemons is optimally done by Librarians at I10 with or without squads of GK backing him up.

Pop I10, deal one wound, pass Ld test, goodbye Daemon Prince/Skarbrand/Mortarion.

DKs in-game are better suited to fighting Soulgrinders (which Libby + Unit + Might of Titan + Hammerhand is also much better suited to killing) or tarpitting big squads of power weapon daemons.

Nope. I'm just of the opinion that anyone who likes this abomination needs to be checked for brainslugs and/or anime sympathies.

Because clearly, there's a disconnect. It's "unacceptable!" that Draigo has a legend attached to him talking about his exploits over the course of a thousand years--but the Dreadknight, an absurd mecha contraption is just shrugged at as "Eh, it looks cool".

I absolutely love it...and I rarely like Marine models.

I will probably get one, as a big brother to the forge world sentinel powerloader. replace that terminator with a AMP suit style cockpit.

I really like the look of it. Got to like it more when I spun the 3D version around and saw that the back side of it had some structure to it, along with the familiar power plant. Also like how the feet resemble a titan's feet. Always wondered why dreadnoughts didn't have the same foot when they're built buy the mechanicum as well.

As for the guy hanging on the front? I think it's fine (with a helmet). He's wearing the most durable suit of armor in the universe. He's not in the walker for protection, he's in it for added strength. As opposed to rolling tanks around, he can now thrown them. While the harness could have been done better, and I'd probably remodel it myself, it's designed to stick with the style of the ones found in the drop pod model.

The look of it isn't supposed to be like everyone else's stuff, it's supposed to set the Grey Knights apart. This is THEIR unit.

At the end of the day, 40k is supposed to be a little silly. We're talking about a universe where space elves shoot ninja stars at zombie robots. I think it's got just the right amount of campiness to it, whilst still maintaining a cool robot look. Should be fun to build and play with.

Kanluwen wrote:Nope. I'm just of the opinion that anyone who likes this abomination needs to be checked for brainslugs and/or anime sympathies.

Because clearly, there's a disconnect. It's "unacceptable!" that Draigo has a legend attached to him talking about his exploits over the course of a thousand years--but the Dreadknight, an absurd mecha contraption is just shrugged at as "Eh, it looks cool".

I would say the opposite. I like Draigo's fluff and the DK.

I'm not a particular fan of Anime.

So what is my disconnect? Why am I bad person?

Because you like the Dreadknight and encourage abominations like such to become standardized throughout 40k.

The "campiness" of 40k is long-dead, except for in the Orks. We're all about grim-dark darkness now.

Kanluwen wrote:Because you like the Dreadknight and encourage abominations like such to become standardized throughout 40k.

The "campiness" of 40k is long-dead, except for in the Orks. We're all about grim-dark darkness now.

Not sure that 'campy' is a good word to describe it. And 50%+ of the poll likes it right now, with 10% undecided.

Are you sure you're not just an outlier?

Brother SRM wrote:

Trickstick wrote:It looks quite good, it is not like there is no option for a helmet for the terminator. This is another "I hate the look of the model" trend that I don't seem to understand. I'm not saying everyone should love it but is it really that bad? Sometimes I think people just like to make fun of things. The stormraven looks good and fits with the aesthetics of a marine army. This looks good too and fits with the whole "higher technology" thing that the grey knights seem to have.

The thing is this doesn't fit in with the Marine aesthetics. There's absolutely no precedent for this, and nothing looks similar in any way. Imperial vehicles aren't smooth.

OMFG! U guys arent the brightest light arent you? Since when are grey knights ACTUAL marines? they are pretty different.....

Great, a lolkid just came in. That won't set Kan off again...

hehe FAIL! wrote:
OMFG! U guys arent the brightest light arent you? Since when are grey knights ACTUAL marines? they are pretty different.....

and it's YOU, not U

pretre wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Because you like the Dreadknight and encourage abominations like such to become standardized throughout 40k.

The "campiness" of 40k is long-dead, except for in the Orks. We're all about grim-dark darkness now.

Not sure that 'campy' is a good word to describe it. And 50%+ of the poll likes it right now, with 10% undecided.

Are you sure you're not just an outlier?

Really, to me campy is the best way to describe the Dreadknight. That's how I'd describe the APU from The Matrix series too though.

It shares nothing with mechs or powered armor, but instead seems to be a Westernized amalgation of mecha and construction equipment. And reminds me of something that we would have seen in Flash Gordon.

seriously kan you need to relax mate.i get that your not happy with the new range but come on man chill.

Once again Shingoku, you're not reading well enough.

I have nothing wrong with the "new range".

The Dreadknight is, as of this moment, the only thing I really have an issue with. I'll likely hate the Jokaero too, because they were stupid when they were introduced back in the 'silly' days of 40k, and they sure as hell don't fit in now.

So stop trying to act as if hating one model equals hating the entire range.

Kanluwen wrote:Once again Shingoku, you're not reading well enough.

I have nothing wrong with the "new range".

The Dreadknight is, as of this moment, the only thing I really have an issue with. I'll likely hate the Jokaero too, because they were stupid when they were introduced back in the 'silly' days of 40k, and they sure as hell don't fit in now.

So stop trying to act as if hating one model equals hating the entire range.

wow i see youve got an itchy flamer trigger.sorry for trying to lighten up what is coming across as a one man rantathon.or maybe once again im not reading well enough.

Kanluwen wrote:

pretre wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Because you like the Dreadknight and encourage abominations like such to become standardized throughout 40k.

The "campiness" of 40k is long-dead, except for in the Orks. We're all about grim-dark darkness now.

Not sure that 'campy' is a good word to describe it. And 50%+ of the poll likes it right now, with 10% undecided.

Are you sure you're not just an outlier?

Really, to me campy is the best way to describe the Dreadknight. That's how I'd describe the APU from The Matrix series too though.

It shares nothing with mechs or powered armor, but instead seems to be a Westernized amalgation of mecha and construction equipment. And reminds me of something that we would have seen in Flash Gordon.

But tell me the truth, if that thing actually existed and you had one, tell me you wouldn't ride it to work!


Now personally I still don't believe the rider needs to be enclosed. What's the purpose? He is already protected by wearing his armour.

Lord Scythican wrote:

Now personally I still don't believe the rider needs to be enclosed. What's the purpose? He is already protected by wearing his armour.

And a powered field.

I'm done debating with Kan over it. He has this overwhelming hatred of it that debate cannot compete with.

pretre wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:

Now personally I still don't believe the rider needs to be enclosed. What's the purpose? He is already protected by wearing his armour.

And a powered field.

I'm done debating with Kan over it. He has this overwhelming hatred of it that debate cannot compete with.

See that is what I have always disliked about debates. If someone can have a overwhelming hatred of something, why can't they accept that someone might have a overwhelming satisfaction with the same thing? I can accept that someone hates something, but the street should go both ways. I don't think kan has brainslugs for hating it, but I am starting to believe something is wrong.

Kanluwen wrote:

Dark Scipio wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It's crap.

Your opinion seems to be in the minority, but your voice is not.

Welcome to the internet.

And the majority shouldn't be allowed to speak in this case.

You just wrote too much, you better cease.

And you've continually attempted to defend this abomination as some kind of "progression" of the Mechanicus.

Progression from what? Them watching The Matrix and getting high off antifreeze?

Seriously. There's no logical progression of any kind of Imperial machinery that existed before.

Not that this would be needed at all, but:

pretre wrote:And a powered field.

It has a 4+ invul. rather than 5+ so there could be a power field of some sort. Were I to convert an enclosed version, I'd make a large Terminator helmet/mask to cover the pilot since the DK has no neck.

I like it, but the first thing I thought when I saw was...

Dark Scipio wrote:Not that this would be needed at all, but: penitent engine

Look, a prior Inquisition walker with someone strapped to the front!! Guess it probably didn't work as well as they thought, so they updated and improved it. Those wacky inquisitors.

Not to mention that aethetic has progressed many times in the history of the Imperium. Examples:
RT Land Speeder > 2nd Ed Land Speeder > Early 3rd Land Speeder > Current Land Speeder
Old Rhino > Current Rhino
Old Old Predator > 2nd / 3rd Ed Pred > Current Pred > Baal Pred
Old LR > Current Land raider > Crusader > Redeemer
RT Missile Launchers > 2nd Ed ML > 3rd Ed > 4th Ed > 5th Ed

Things went from very rounded to very precise and boxy in the last few years. I imagine this was to show the 'standardization' of machinery, etc.

There is no reason that they still cannot continue to change and update.


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Son 0f Dorn wrote:

pretre wrote:And a powered field.

It has a 4+ invul. rather than 5+ so there could be a power field of some sort. Were I to convert an enclosed version, I'd make a large Terminator helmet/mask to cover the pilot since the DK has no neck.

No could be. There is. It is in the codex fluff.

shingouki wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Once again Shingoku, you're not reading well enough.

I have nothing wrong with the "new range".

The Dreadknight is, as of this moment, the only thing I really have an issue with. I'll likely hate the Jokaero too, because they were stupid when they were introduced back in the 'silly' days of 40k, and they sure as hell don't fit in now.

So stop trying to act as if hating one model equals hating the entire range.

wow i see youve got an itchy flamer trigger.sorry for trying to lighten up what is coming across as a one man rantathon.or maybe once again im not reading well enough.

Maybe. But seriously:

The Dreadknight, so far, is the only thing I hate about the Grey Knight range.

Does the idea bear some merit? Sure. But at the same time...
The concept is weak to begin with. The execution and design are flawed.

The model itself? You can tell a lot of work went into it. The sculptor did a good job, the detail's crisp, and it's definitely not a 'bad' kit. I just don't like the execution of it.

See that is what I have always disliked about debates. If someone can have a overwhelming hatred of something, why can't they accept that someone might have a overwhelming satisfaction with the same thing? I can accept that someone hates something, but the street should go both ways. I don't think kan has brainslugs for hating it, but I am starting to believe something is wrong.

I can't accept that anyone who actually liked Grey Knights previously likes it simply because I can't accept the execution of a flawed concept.

But then again, I also can't accept that Kasrkin are 'just' Stormtroopers when the fluff has them being more on par with Halo's Spartans than the UNSC Marines.
I can't accept that the Swarmlord is a 'unique' character, since after all: he's constantly evolved in different areas of the Hive Fleet's advances to face a foe that is 'necessary'

As for Scipio linking the Penitent Engine:
So what? What the feth does that have to do with anything?
That it was a crappy design, with a repenting psyker strapped in?

Fine. I'll take that. I'll also note that I fething hate the Penitent Engine with a passion, since it was also a stupid idea.

Kanluwen wrote:Maybe. But seriously:

The Dreadknight, so far, is the only thing I hate about the Grey Knight range.

Does the idea bear some merit? Sure. But at the same time...
The concept is weak to begin with. The execution and design are flawed.

The model itself? You can tell a lot of work went into it. The sculptor did a good job, the detail's crisp, and it's definitely not a 'bad' kit. I just don't like the execution of it.

See, that's more of a viable dialogue. Less 'I HATES THE BAGGINSES' and more 'Here is why I dislike that particular hobbit...'

As for Scipio linking the Penitent Engine:
So what? What the feth does that have to do with anything?
That it was a crappy design, with a repenting psyker strapped in?

Fine. I'll take that. I'll also note that I fething hate the Penitent Engine with a passion, since it was also a stupid idea.

It is a prior imperial design similar to what we are talking about. You were saying there is no progression.

Dammit, he dragged me back in.

[quote=pretre

Son 0f Dorn wrote:

pretre wrote:And a powered field.

It has a 4+ invul. rather than 5+ so there could be a power field of some sort. Were I to convert an enclosed version, I'd make a large Terminator helmet/mask to cover the pilot since the DK has no neck.

No could be. There is. It is in the codex fluff.

@Dark Scipio: Looks like the Dread Knight is progression to me!

Son 0f Dorn wrote:Just dont want to see this thread turn into a /b/ols flame war :(

Unlikely... We have class*.



* And Mods.

Kanluwen wrote:

The Dreadknight, so far, is the only thing I hate about the Grey Knight range.

Does the idea bear some merit? Sure. But at the same time...

...The model itself? You can tell a lot of work went into it. The sculptor did a good job, the detail's crisp, and it's definitely not a 'bad' kit. I just don't like the execution of it...


...Fine. I'll take that. I'll also note that I fething hate the Penitent Engine with a passion, since it was also a stupid idea.

You are starting to break...

You should count to ten, and try and get the rage back. If you keep posting in this thread you are going to end up liking the thing. Here is a pic for you to lighten your mood even more:

Lord Scythican wrote:@Dark Scipio: Looks like the Dread Knight is progression to me!

Yeahhh...no.

The Penitent Engine is built off the body of a Sentinel with industrial implements(read: buzzsaws) from large scale servitors used for lumber harvesting, with a Psyker bolted onto the front and hardwired directly into the motor system of the machine(again: like a Servitor).


There's no 'operating' the Penitent Engine. For all intents and purposes: that psyker is a Servitor until the day his machine is destroyed.


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Lord Scythican wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

The Dreadknight, so far, is the only thing I hate about the Grey Knight range.

Does the idea bear some merit? Sure. But at the same time...

...The model itself? You can tell a lot of work went into it. The sculptor did a good job, the detail's crisp, and it's definitely not a 'bad' kit. I just don't like the execution of it...


...Fine. I'll take that. I'll also note that I fething hate the Penitent Engine with a passion, since it was also a stupid idea.

You are starting to break...

You should count to ten, and try and get the rage back. If you keep posting in this thread you are going to end up liking the thing. Here is a pic for you to lighten your mood even more:

I'm not starting to break at all. I've said pretty consistently that I hate the concept and execution.

That doesn't mean that I can't appreciate the work that went into it though.

And even as someone who is new to dakka it's very apparent. It's nice to get everyone's insight, but it's useless to impotently reiterate the same opinions.

Nah. It's important to keep restating that fact.

Since you're new, I'm going to fill you in on a secret:

There will be so much whining about the little things done by GW that it makes my hate for the Dreadknight look tame.

Kanluwen wrote:

As for Scipio linking the Penitent Engine:
So what? What the feth does that have to do with anything?
.

Are you serious? Are multiple persons using your account?

Yeahhh...no.

The Penitent Engine is built off the body of a Sentinel with industrial implements(read: buzzsaws) from large scale servitors used for lumber harvesting, with a Psyker bolted onto the front and hardwired directly into the motor system of the machine(again: like a Servitor).


There's no 'operating' the Penitent Engine. For all intents and purposes: that psyker is a Servitor until the day his machine is destroyed.

So what? What the feth does that have to do with anything?

They are very similar designs used by the Inquisition, one looking more refined as the other that was less refined (coming from harvesting).

Kanluwen wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:@Dark Scipio: Looks like the Dread Knight is progression to me!

Yeahhh...no.

The Penitent Engine is built off the body of a Sentinel with industrial implements(read: buzzsaws) from large scale servitors used for lumber harvesting, with a Psyker bolted onto the front and hardwired directly into the motor system of the machine(again: like a Servitor).


There's no 'operating' the Penitent Engine. For all intents and purposes: that psyker is a Servitor until the day his machine is destroyed.

But that is progression! No more hardwired psykers, industrial implements, and it now has a operating system and better armour! Plus the pilot can now get out and use the bathroom at each rest stop if he wants.

Kanluwen wrote:Nah. It's important to keep restating that fact.

Since you're new, I'm going to fill you in on a secret:

There will be so much whining about the little things done by GW that it makes my hate for the Dreadknight look tame.

All it's done is fill four pages with the same 3 sentences. What I'd like to hear now, since you've been very vocal about your dislike of the model, is how you'd like it to look or how you'd build/convert one.

As for the latter, I've noticed that as well

Looks silly. Sillier than the penitent engine. The only good thing about it is conversions.

It's kind of a cool looking model, but I don't think it belongs in 40k

Lord Scythican wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:@Dark Scipio: Looks like the Dread Knight is progression to me!

Yeahhh...no.

The Penitent Engine is built off the body of a Sentinel with industrial implements(read: buzzsaws) from large scale servitors used for lumber harvesting, with a Psyker bolted onto the front and hardwired directly into the motor system of the machine(again: like a Servitor).


There's no 'operating' the Penitent Engine. For all intents and purposes: that psyker is a Servitor until the day his machine is destroyed.

But that is progression! No more hardwired psykers, industrial implements, and it now has a operating system and better armour! Plus the pilot can now get out and use the bathroom at each rest stop if he wants.

No it's not. It's a step sideways, not a step forwards.

It's like the evolution of attack helicopters fielded by the US during Vietnam.

Originally: they were Hueys equipped with rocket launchers and miniguns salvaged from elsewhere. That's a 'step sideways', because there's no real technological advancement--but rather, it's just tacking on to an existing concept.

When we saw the AH-1 Cobra introduced--that was a step forwards. It was built from the ground-up to be an attack helicopter, it didn't just have things 'tacked on'.

Son 0f Dorn wrote:What I'd like to hear now, since you've been very vocal about your dislike of the model, is how you'd like it to look or how you'd build/convert one.

I've said that before too

I would have gone with something like:

Basically:
I wouldn't have shoehorned in some gigantic beast like this was done. I would have had a Terminator suit modified to carry the weapons. Not a Terminator piloting some giant weapons platform.

Or, if I really had to live with the idea of it being a 'giant weapons platform', I would have had the pilot fully enclosed in the middle and the thing built to resemble Terminator Armour, just upsized. None of this "guy hanging in the middle" garbage

[quote=Kanluwen

Son 0f Dorn wrote:What I'd like to hear now, since you've been very vocal about your dislike of the model, is how you'd like it to look or how you'd build/convert one.

I've said that before too

I would have gone with something like:

Basically:
I wouldn't have shoehorned in some gigantic beast like this was done. I would have had a Terminator suit modified to carry the weapons. Not a Terminator piloting some giant weapons platform.

Or, if I really had to live with the idea of it being a 'giant weapons platform', I would have had the pilot fully enclosed in the middle and the thing built to resemble Terminator Armour, just upsized. None of this "guy hanging in the middle" garbage

For what it is worth, I would have rather seen something like that too. I can't stand the Dreadnoughts stubby little legs. It looks like it was built by men for orks.

Oh no, S0D.

I refuse to have anything to do with the Dreadknight. It and the Jokaero are dead to me.

One of the local players on the yahoo group for my FLGS was talking about how he's going to field as many Dreadknights as he can because "the model is so cool!".

I promptly bought enough kits to field 6 Vendettas, and have enough melta/plasma that I can potentially field in my Guard that I can down all those Dreadknights first turn.


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Also:
The Dreadnought, while stubby, at least makes a modicum of sense. The problem is that you're not seeing the full dexterity of a Dreadnought when it's rendered in a 3D format.

The feet, no joke, are an essential part of it. The 'toes' are articulated and can dig in to steady it while it moves.

Why didn't they just make it piloted by an "honored brother" like a dread? It would have looked much cooler to me if it just had a sarcophagus built into the silly thing.

At least you're prepared I suppose. I'm just a sucker for the mechs in 40k. I have 5 dreadnoughts, am starting a Tau army because I've always liked how they look (and how they should play, but can't) and have a soft spot for sentinels and war walkers too. So, the DK hits a soft spot for me. I think I like it because it reminds me of the Mars Knights at the begining of Mechanicum. All depends on points costs and how it plays though. Not sure if codex will justify starting another army.

I love the Dreadknight. I want it to carry my baby.

I HEARBY DECLARE THIS DEAD HORSE TO BE FULLY BEATEN!

Nurglitch wrote:I love the Dreadknight. I want it to carry my baby.

I want it to carry my termina....


I see what you did there....

Dark Scipio wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Dark Scipio wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It's crap.

Your opinion seems to be in the minority, but your voice is not.

Welcome to the internet.

And the majority shouldn't be allowed to speak in this case.

You just wrote too much, you better cease.

And you've continually attempted to defend this abomination as some kind of "progression" of the Mechanicus.

Progression from what? Them watching The Matrix and getting high off antifreeze?

Seriously. There's no logical progression of any kind of Imperial machinery that existed before.

Not that this would be needed at all, but:

And this model is perfect for imperium. It's clunky, it's simple and just looks mean. If the dreadknight lost the hands, and the carriage was changed it would be perfect. For now, it's a complete and utter meh.

I liked GK when they were: "Epic badasses fighting the most horrific-unimmaginable-that-no-other-could-face, Daemons." However, the dreadnight just isn't it. I would rather have my squad of GKs taking down that Daemonic monstrocity rather than some gigantic MC (of which I totally agree that MCs are XENOS territory, not Imperium).

As to the model itself, the dread sarcophagus, this: is what I would be mounting to the front of my Dreadknights IF I get one or two. The piece without the arms or legs, the center. Then I would take that terminator (the one which comes with the kit), convert him a little bit using extra bits from other GK Terminator kits and, VIOLA, another terminator is added to my ranks.

Kanluwen wrote:Why the feth do they need some kind of mechanical contraption to suddenly do these things that they've been doing for multiple iterations before using faith, blade, and Terminator armor?

Because Kan, as I've been telling you for such a long time now, the fluff is arbitrary. Why do they need something now that they haven't had before? Because GW needs to sell a new kit, so *bampf* the Dreadknight has now always been there and has been an important part of the Grey Knights for hundreds of years and the thing they always use when fighting Greater Daemons.

I don't like the new model as a DreadKnight, I think this 'skinny' dreadnought a Dakka member made a while back is much, much, MUCH better look as to how a DreadKnight should be:




I will, however, be buying a couple for my IG army to use as armoured sentinels, these things will look AWESOME in camo with a catachan stuck inside....





Avatar anyone?

You're going to use a Dreadknight for an armoured sentinel? It is like 4 times the size.

Really? It looks about 2.5x the height of the pilot, so 30mm x 2.5=75mm or so, so I was thinking it's only about 3 inches tall.
Will have to see it in the store first I guess

Daedricbob wrote:Really? It looks about 2.5x the height of the pilot, so 30mm x 2.5=75mm or so, so I was thinking it's only about 3 inches tall.
Will have to see it in the store first I guess

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Aww, ninja'd by a ninja.

Ah... yes... that may be a bit big!

I just like the model because its big and has sweet weapons. but i wish it was more similair to the dreads

It's about 7" tall according to the GW site IIRC. Now considering that was the size of the old Lego Bionicle models (guessing the new ones too), that's pretty darn big.

THe model itself? I like it. It's almost like it's been needed in a sense for imperials, stops us relying on Stumpy the dreadnought Yeah the hammer isn't big enough and the harness is a bit off but otherwise, it's cool. I wouldn't buy one, the pricetag and the fact I'd have no use for it says so But daym I love those guns.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Why the feth do they need some kind of mechanical contraption to suddenly do these things that they've been doing for multiple iterations before using faith, blade, and Terminator armor?

Because Kan, as I've been telling you for such a long time now, the fluff is arbitrary. Why do they need something now that they haven't had before? Because GW needs to sell a new kit, so *bampf* the Dreadknight has now always been there and has been an important part of the Grey Knights for hundreds of years and the thing they always use when fighting Greater Daemons.

Pft.

Then Matt Ward had best pray to his makers he's not at any GW events I go to, or so help me he will get an earful.

Kanluwen wrote:
Then Matt Ward had best pray to his makers he's not at any GW events I go to, or so help me he will get an earful.

I think I saw an article with him saying he had NerdRage filtering earphones he wore for special occasions like GTs.

I know they are big, but I still would like to see them in Apocalypse as well. Possible Dread Knight Apocalypse Formation?

pretre wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
Then Matt Ward had best pray to his makers he's not at any GW events I go to, or so help me he will get an earful.

I think I saw an article with him saying he had NerdRage filtering earphones he wore for special occasions like GTs.

See, it's not nerdrage if you word it articulately and refrain from saying things like "ruined my childhood".

Or 'slap in the face'?

You have to admit, you've come pretty close over the last couple days though.

Nah.

My nerdraging just was mostly to rain on everyone else's parade about the Dreadknight

Lousy gits, thinking it's a good model.

*stalks off mumbling*

I like it because IMO the explanation of its existence is valid. Plus, I believe the Nemesis DreadKnight to be the model realization of the small Knight Titans that have cropped up in the fluff.

You better not let Platuan hear you say that.

The Dreadknight has nothing really in common with the Knight Titans.

oni wrote:I like it because IMO the explanation of its existence is valid. Plus, I believe the Nemesis DreadKnight to be the model realization of the small Knight Titans that have cropped up in the fluff.

Same thing I was thinking too (and have been fruitlessly telling these guys). It justifies the aesthetic alot more than if it was just a random piece of Imperial equipment.

Okay, back to civil discussion.

My personal thoughts on Dreadknights:

1.) The concept of the Dreadknight is just too stupid and unacceptable for me even considering the unrealistic 40k setting. This is just too much: A power suit counting as a monstrous creature? A terminator dangling in front of all the armour in a baby carrier wearing metal diapers with the word Titan engraved??? I can't look at the model and ignore its ridiculousness, sorry. (BTW I also dislike the concept of a Jokaero in an Imperial army).

2.) I like the Penitent engine, because it is a imaginative cyber-crucifix-warengine perfectly fitting the ecclesiarchy thematic. Crazy idea, but good. The Grey Knights theme is ... knights, medieval knights in silver plate mail. Giving them a sleek super-modern powerlifter hits this theme straight in the face. The current Imperium developing new sleek super-modern vehicles from scratch hits the current background in the face, where wars are fought over who gets the ancient templates for a Rhino variant and engineering is done by singing rituals.

3.) I love Tau, I like anime (including Gundam) and Japanese culture, but all this doesn't influence my dislike for this model. So this is also not connected.

4.) If I ever start a Grey Knight army, I have found a perfect model counting as the Dreadknight, although it is still in the works:

NoseGoblin wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Hmmm, a 15mm scale Crusader might be a nice (but supposedly expensive) alternative to the Dreadknight!

I have no idea what the size of the DK is.... a 15mm Crusader and Mortis will be about 4.25" to the top of the shoulder... Just a guestimate, but I would imagine the to be priced at $40 to $60 depending on what the print and mold costs are.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/347738.page


That one looks cool, Imperial and fits the knights theme and the background of Knight Walkers (you know, the small "Titans" from old Epic). It is about the same size and price as the Dreadknight, and I might buy it just for the looks.

Kanluwen wrote:See, it's not nerdrage if you word it articulately and refrain from saying things like "ruined my childhood".

I hope these past couple of days have been a big wake-up call for you Kan to see what it's like on the other-side of the GW love fest you always seem to be part of. As you've no doubt witnessed now across countless pages in countless threads, when it comes to Dakka:

Like GW = Normal member of society.
Dislike anything GW does = Whining hater crybaby.

You cannot criticise GW here without being accused of being a whiny hater who 'hates everything' that GW does. In fact, criticise something enough and someone might even try the "If you don't like it why don't you stop playing!" chestnut that I got thrown at me yesterday (quite amusing really given how positive I've been about the GK models). No discourse is entered into - no one will listen to whatever arguments you may have (legitimate or not) because you simply get labelled as a 'hater' and no matter how much you try to explain your reasoning, people just blank you.

On the other hand, it could be worse, it could be Warseer.

NB: I wonder how long it'll take for someone to say "If you think that about Dakka than why do you post here?" (unironically).

I do think the Dreadknight's a little oversized, but it's pretty cool in its own right. For some reason, though, it just doesn't seem to fit with the GKs...or 40k much at all.

For the record Karamazov was a Monstrous creature, and he was stuck in a throne on legs. The Dreadknight is much more plausable in comparison.

@ HBMC: Dont bother with trying to point out the hypocrisy in others. If their posts differ from the ones they percieve as "haters" by even a little bit, they will be justified in their own minds. I just think of them either having a gun to their head, or are typing from a mental asylum (either one makes me chuckle, since you must be in some hilarious gak if you got a gun to your head to chat on a gaming forum).

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:See, it's not nerdrage if you word it articulately and refrain from saying things like "ruined my childhood".

I hope these past couple of days have been a big wake-up call for you Kan to see what it's like on the other-side of the GW love fest you always seem to be part of. As you've no doubt witnessed now across countless pages in countless threads, when it comes to Dakka:

Like GW = Normal member of society.
Dislike anything GW does = Whining hater crybaby.

You cannot criticise GW here without being accused of being a whiny hater who 'hates everything' that GW does. In fact, criticise something enough and someone might even try the "[i]If you don't like it why don't you stop playing![i]" chestnut that I got thrown at me yesterday (quite amusing really given how positive I've been about the GK models). No discourse is entered into - no one will listen to whatever arguments you may have (legitimate or not) because you simply get labelled as a 'hater' and no matter how much you try to explain your reasoning, people just blank you.

You can. I've criticized the hell out of them and only one person has thought I 'hated everything that GW does'.

That was, I think, more because he wasn't actually fully reading my post and just focusing on "I hate this piece of crap Dreadknight"

Maybe I should start a rant thread on the Jokaero next...

On the other hand, it could be worse, it could be Warseer.

NB: I wonder how long it'll take for someone to say "If you think that about Dakka than why do you post here?" (unironically).

I'm still banned from Warseer because I mocked someone for thinking that "Chaos blew up Cadia".


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MechaEmperor7000 wrote:For the record Karamazov was a Monstrous creature, and he was stuck in a throne on legs. The Dreadknight is much more plausable in comparison.

@ HBMC: Dont bother with trying to point out the hypocrisy in others. If their posts differ from the ones they percieve as "haters" by even a little bit, they will be justified in their own minds. I just think of them either having a gun to their head, or are typing from a mental asylum (either one makes me chuckle, since you must be in some hilarious gak if you got a gun to your head to chat on a gaming forum).

I'd usually agree with you; but in this case it's not so much that I 'hate' what was done to Grey Knights.

I just hate the execution and introduction of this fething Dreadknight(and the Jokaero).

If the execution was done a slight bit different, and it was introduced differently--I'd probably have liked it.

It reminds me of robocop, so yea I like it.

Kroothawk wrote:2.) I like the Penitent engine, because it is a imaginative cyber-crucifix-warengine perfectly fitting the ecclesiarchy thematic. Crazy idea, but good. The Grey Knights theme is ... knights, medieval knights in silver plate mail. Giving them a sleek super-modern powerlifter hits this theme straight in the face. The current Imperium developing new sleek super-modern vehicles from scratch hits the current background in the face, where wars are fought over who gets the ancient templates for a Rhino variant and engineering is done by singing rituals.

So aside from the resin Titan in your post, what would you have done differently with the Dreadknight (assumign the Dreadknight concept remains, but doesn't have to have the same aesthetic).

I think that titan will be a bit small. It says 4" tall. I'm thinking that DK is going to be a bit taller.

Apart from the baby carriage the Dreadknight can be easily modified to look better. Just snip off the arms and legs of the terminator and replace the head with a bigger one, then close off the sides of the front of the torso (where the arms and legs of the terminator goes) and it should look something like that resin titan Kroothawk posted.

Lord Scythican wrote:I know they are big, but I still would like to see them in Apocalypse as well. Possible Dread Knight Apocalypse Formation?

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Each fiinger, toe, and bit sold seperately of course.

Footsloggin wrote:Each fiinger, toe, and bit sold seperately of course.

obviously, what's that, you were expecting something reasonable?

oh, you're serious...

[laughs in face]

FM Ninja 048 wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:I know they are big, but I still would like to see them in Apocalypse as well. Possible Dread Knight Apocalypse Formation?

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Gattai?

it looks like one of those suits from the matrix met an avatar suit and then got mean.

H.B.M.C. wrote:So aside from the resin Titan in your post, what would you have done differently with the Dreadknight (assumign the Dreadknight concept remains, but doesn't have to have the same aesthetic).

Just considering the looks:
1.) closed driver cell.
2.) Medieval ancient Gothic look, either in direction plate mail (see above) or castle (see Imperator Titan). Not too close to Necrons or Tau.

pretre wrote:I think that titan will be a bit small. It says 4" tall. I'm thinking that DK is going to be a bit taller.

Judging from the photo, the Dreadknight is about three terminators tall, so about 4".

Here's what I'll be using as MY dreadknight!!!!!

gendoikari87 wrote:Here's what I'll be using as MY dreadknight!!!!!

I'm going with a Heavy Arms as one myself. Assuming it's big enough. I'll have to get a regular Dreadknight first to see.

As most others I immediately thought of a "baby carrier" whatver its called when I first saw it. Would look way cooler if that guy wasnt so exposed and the legs didnt look so out of place. But then I realised I'll never use it as I play BA so why bother?

DUDE DREADKNIGHTS CAN TAKE TELEPORTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS!?!?!?!?!?!

I'd prefer this: http://www.kirinhobby.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=2525

I think US mobile suits would have an easier time fitting into 40k

After much poring over it, it's starting to grow on me. It looks like a newer, cleaner Mechanicus design; the Grey Knights are one of few organizations who would have access to such a thing.

I'm definately going to be buying a couple of these. I'm not to fond of the exposed head but other than that the model is awesome.

H.B.M.C. wrote:NB: I wonder how long it'll take for someone to say "If you think that about Dakka than why do you post here?" (unironically).

You know I apologised to you, but now you're just being a prick. I'm not blind or stupid I know that's a shot at me. I understand you love starting internet arguments, but you don't have to be an donkey-cave about it.
I see you in a lot of threads arguing about this and that, and often you're pretty rude about it. I'm not asking for an apology because i know i won't get one.
Try to be less cutthroat in your quest for the psychological satisfaction of being "right" on the internet.

Mukkin'About wrote:You know I apologised to you, but now you're just being a prick.

That was an apology? I thought it was you being a smart-ass. Tone is very hard to gauge on this here interwebs.

Mukkin'About wrote:I'm not blind or stupid I know that's a shot at me.

Well I wasn't trying to be subtle.

Mukkin'About wrote:I understand you love starting internet arguments, but you don't have to be an donkey-cave about it.

Arguments is such a harsh word. Discussions, conversations - these are more friendly terms. And if I'm being an donkey-cave about it it's mainly because I get tired of people who cannot muster support for their own points of view. Which relates to this...

Mukkin'About wrote:Try to be less cutthroat in your quest for the psychological satisfaction of being "right" on the internet.

It's not about being right. It's about being tired of seeing unsupported opinions put out there as if they were facts. It's about being tired of asking someone "Why do you think that?" and having nothing but crap labels like 'hater' and 'whiner' thrown back in my face. It's more important to me that someone can explain why they think what they think than who's right or not.

I don't know why i even bothered. you took apart everything I said and turned it on me.

You seem to expect the same kind of long-winded responses that you throw out. i frankly don't have the time and i feel my effort is wasted arguing with some internet prick with a post count that surpasses almost all the mods on this site.
And yes, you can call it "discussion" but your thinly veiled attempts at civility do little to cover up the fact that you are impolite at best and a total jerk at worst.

You don't have to take out your gak on everyone who says something you don't like.
I'm out. I don't feel it necessary to be on this site having someone wave their e-peen at me and act like they are the better man for it

Turned it on you? Hardly. I replied to each part in order. I like multi-quoting as it keeps the context secure - I'm responding to a specific point, so as not to confuse it with others, I separate it. Not that hard...

And again you result to personal insults because, frankly, you've got nothing better and have nothing any worth to say. You're not even amusing like The Kan is. You just sound... bitter... Yeah, I think you can join ph34r on 'ignore'.

Good day.

IMHO, if you are bothered by a newer design of a new unit that looks more straightup sci-fi, don't bother playing 40K. GW is changing constantly, new staff, new sculptors and new units for 40K

You don't like it, don't play GKs. Easy as that, or take a dreadnought instead. Just don't complain about losing a tactical advantage.

Its looks, and if you want a different model, why don't YOU scratchbuild a better one. Boohoo haters gotta hate.

And if I'm being an donkey-cave

We'd prefer it if you weren't.

you're just being a prick.

We'd prefer it if you didn't call other posters names like this.

Take a moment, count to 10/pray to whichever dark god has already laid claim to your soul -- it's in the site sign up conditions if you check --, take a breath and give the other poster the benefit of the doubt. People are going to have different opinions and views, it's much better all round if people make that little effort to be polite to each other.

And indeed, users are fine and it is often a good idea to utilise the "ignore" function.

It's just toy soldiers people.

I don't play GK (although after reading up on them I might have to!), but I think the Dreadknight looks pretty damn sweet. I kind of agree with people who say it doesn't quite match the 'look' of 40K, but apparently there's fluff that explains why it seems so... shiny, i guess. And it has a lot of dimensions and surface area to play with for all of us conversionists out there.

I might buy one, just for the fun of modding it up!

i dont like the concept of GW dreadkinight, so i made my own.
based on the previous showned true size dread.








my topic
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/417455.page

i also liked this version.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?305844-Massive-Nemesis-Dreadknight-Overhaul

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