Our GW store manager leaked a few things about what is being planned. Not what there will be.

Firstly there are plans for it to be in White Dwarf and Downloadable like the old BA PDF.

It will be Sisters of Battle, The Church/Ecclsiarchy and a large amount of Inquisition.

As with all new codexes there will be lots of new special characters.

Finally it will be between now and spring 2013.

He said he knew of all the armies between now and then, Necrons being one and hinting on CSM.

Inb4 Store Managers don't know anything

I heard the only support sisters are getting from now on are as henchmen squads in the grey knights codex. Honest, my neighbor's brother's wife's store manager told me.

He was right about the GK codex as well as the Tyranids + DE, don't know about BA.

phantommaster wrote:Finally it will be between now and spring 2013.

How wonderfully... precise

This is like nostradamous.

"I'm sensing Witch Hunters will be out in the next two years, and they'll be lots of special characters!"

ZOMG CALL SOMEBODY. People need to know this!

Meh, take it for what it is guys. We already heard of some people that saw some possible plastic Sisters of Battle. It really isn't that far fetched for in the next couple years. SoB are one of those armies that don't do terrible in 5th edition. I would think however that they will be getting a similar treatment to the GK. As a previously all metal model range that has been unchanged since 2nd edition for the base troops, I would think they will be getting new plastic troops, new unit types and new plastic boxes that can be used multiple ways much like the GKs have now.

A bit too vague innit?

Also, I'm waiting for ze spelling nazi to barge in and demand that something be done about the title.

More characters, more units, ecclesiarchy AND inquisition... all on a 6 pages WD article???
I don't buy that!

Well if it falls with GW Codex formula. Being Imperial, non-Imperial, Imperial etc then looking at the current imperial codexes There is a chance the next one could be SoB, DA or BT (or another SM codex...) so I guess we wait.

Me I would love it to be the Nuns with Guns.
Much more fun than More Space Marines

Finally it will be between now and spring 2013.

Here are some others that fit that :
Necrons
Tau
Chaos Space Marines
Dark Angels
Black Templars
Eldar

I'm 100% sure we will see some of these within that timeframe. 6E should also be in that time frame so expect to see a new Space Marine codex in there as well...

I can't see GW going to the effort of creating a highly complicated and I assume detailed SoB plastic kit to just do a WD article?

I seem to remember some chat from Jes Goodwin recently describing the difficulties they have had in their attempts of making a workable SoB kit.

Nah sorry I'm not buying this one.

I'm excited about these With Chunters, are they a new race?

Lol @ above

The majority of the Inquisition is in the new GK codex, so unless they are planning brand new Inquisition I doubt this will be the case. However whilst I think it's pretty much certain SOB will be released in the next couple of years, a WD only release just makes no sense whatsoever.

I don't see any more news here. I work for GW, and believe me as much as some managers want you to believe they know what's coming, 9 times out of 10 they are full of crap. If they did know, they wouldn't tell you, they'd be out the door in no time. We find out what's coming about 2 weeks before it's announced, the only people who find out before this are guys who are working in very close proximity to the stuff being worked on, and those guys sign a disclaimer which threatens their job if they let anything out.

So could someone pass me the salt......

Here you go

I'm sensing that GW will release some miniatures and attempt to market them.

There may or may not be a codex involved.

GW is going to make a thing with Sisters of Battle in it.

It'll be released sometime in the future and will be talked about in White Dwarf, just like every previous release since 5th edition.

It may or may not having some special characters in it.




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Phototoxin wrote:I'm sensing that GW will release some miniatures and attempt to market them.

There may or may not be a codex involved.

This is in no way true. Everyone knows GW doesn't know how to market:p

They had options from all three Ordos in the Grey Knights codex, but thats because the book is called Grey Knights, not Demonhunters. Its not Ordo specific. I wouldnt expect a Sisters of Battle oriented codex to be restricted to a single Ordo either, given this. I've already heard some people sayong that Grey Knights doesnt replace Demon Hunters because of that, just like some folks still play the old Codex Assasins. I think its crap, but hey whatever.

Rumor has it GW said they will not get rid of anymore 40K or Fantasy armies.

Griever wrote:This is like nostradamous.

"I'm sensing Witch Hunters will be out in the next two years, and they'll be lots of special characters!"

ZOMG CALL SOMEBODY. People need to know this!

No Nostradamus always wrote in quatrains

The Witches from sand we seek
In two turns we may get a peek
Many Charactersare packed within
With rumors like this full of win




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Eisenhorn wrote:

Griever wrote:This is like nostradamous.

"I'm sensing Witch Hunters will be out in the next two years, and they'll be lots of special characters!"

ZOMG CALL SOMEBODY. People need to know this!

No Nostradamus always wrote in quatrains

The Witches from sand we seek
In two turns we may get a peek
Many Characters are packed within
With rumors like this full of win

alphaomega wrote:Well if it falls with GW Codex formula. Being Imperial, non-Imperial, Imperial etc then looking at the current imperial codexes

Why do I keep seeing this mentioned?
Since 5th's release we've had IN ORDER
Marines
Guard
Wolves
Tyranids
Blood Angels
Dark Eldar
Grey Knights


If anything they're going Power armor Non-Power Armor.

That works just as much.
Still would be very nice to at some point get plastic SoB. I am glad I got what I did before the massive price hike. Over £20 for 6 Sisters is terrible. :(

it will be between now and spring 2013.

As someone once said on Mystery Science Theater 3000, "Could you please be a little more vague?" LOL.

According to Darnok at Warseer:

Darnok wrote:There will be a Codex: Adeptus Sororitas by the end of this year.

And when asked about the name:

Darnok wrote:I trust my source, and it was named that way. But given the timeframe, things can change.

Foda_Bett wrote:

alphaomega wrote:Well if it falls with GW Codex formula. Being Imperial, non-Imperial, Imperial etc then looking at the current imperial codexes

Why do I keep seeing this mentioned?
Since 5th's release we've had IN ORDER
Marines
Guard
Wolves
Tyranids
Blood Angels
Dark Eldar
Grey Knights


If anything they're going Power armor Non-Power Armor.

So then rumours are true and Tau ARE before Necrons?

According to Darnok at Warseer:

Darnok wrote:There will be a Codex: Adeptus Sororitas by the end of this year.

And when asked about the name:

Darnok wrote:I trust my source, and it was named that way. But given the timeframe, things can change.

Years ago when I first tried non-GW forums after GW closed their own forums Warseer was the first one. I had no idea what I was in for as within days I was being "trolled" by someone extremely rude and despicably unpleasant. That person was the source of this rumor apparently and how he got to be a moderator or someone that would have "sources" I can't imagine. I quickly dropped out of the Warseer forum all those years ago.

Anyway, as soon as I see that name my interest goes to zero and I attach no credibility to it. Once I saw him berate another forum user for saying something was being released soon. He was rude to the person, belittling their rumor info and saying that GW doesn't plan their releases that far ahead of time so how could the other user know that far ahead of time. That was the same year the release list for an entire year had ALREADY been leaked out, proving him entirely wrong. In other words, he's not only rude, he's stupid as it was obvious for all to see that GW does plan their releases extremely far ahead of time. When I pointed out his rudeness and incorrectness he backed off for a while, but it didn't last and neither did my participation in Warseer. What a complete and total "smeghead".

notprop wrote:I can't see GW going to the effort of creating a highly complicated and I assume detailed SoB plastic kit to just do a WD article?

I seem to remember some chat from Jes Goodwin recently describing the difficulties they have had in their attempts of making a workable SoB kit.

Nah sorry I'm not buying this one.

I'd put money this one is in fact true, we'll get a PDF but no new models.

We all know that, for whatever reason, GW has problems doing a plastic SOB kit.

We also know that WH are the 2nd oldest codex around (after Necrons) but have never been great sellers so GW is in no hurry to put out a new book. It also had a ton of old mechanics GW would like to get rid of (allies).

So I would bet good money GW is going to do another temporary codex (like they did in 3rd edition) and buy themselves another 2 years or so to develop SoB plastics or drop the range.

Ah man,...couldn't they just put all those Inquisition crap in one dex and be over with?...

What was the need for all those GK's units anyway?,...more broken stuff...

Why din't they just put GK's,Sistas and Deatchwatch in the same dex, and go on with another Dex who wasn't Imperial involved?...

I allready said it,but i will say it again, GK's or Deamons shouldn't never had their own codex...

They where "mercenary" type units, to give a hand to their allies, a full army of those are plain stupid...

Gk's are broken and Deamons are bad Nids ripp off...

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

notprop wrote:I can't see GW going to the effort of creating a highly complicated and I assume detailed SoB plastic kit to just do a WD article?

I seem to remember some chat from Jes Goodwin recently describing the difficulties they have had in their attempts of making a workable SoB kit.

Nah sorry I'm not buying this one.

I'd put money this one is in fact true, we'll get a PDF but no new models.

We all know that, for whatever reason, GW has problems doing a plastic SOB kit.

I'm pretty sure that it's not "for whatever reason". There's a specific reason. The robed habits worn underneath the Power Armour is, according to some folks who've heard it from Goodwin, the issue. They can do them in two ways: either flowing in multiple different ways, which ups the complexity factor(and presents a mold/casting issue) or they end up like we saw with the Dark Eldar Warriors/Wyches. They're dynamic, but the bodies only fit together in certain ways--which while simplifying the casting/molds, also decreases the amounts of posing, etc that can be done.

We also know that WH are the 2nd oldest codex around (after Necrons) but have never been great sellers so GW is in no hurry to put out a new book. It also had a ton of old mechanics GW would like to get rid of (allies).

Wait, Sisters of Battle have "never been great sellers"? Since when has that been true?

As for "they're in no hurry to put out a new book"--I think Phil Kelly disagrees with you.
We've already seen a PDF for Witchhunters. That's removed the Allies rule, and (kind of/sort of) brought the army up to a somewhat more acceptable place.

So I would bet good money GW is going to do another temporary codex (like they did in 3rd edition) and buy themselves another 2 years or so to develop SoB plastics or drop the range.

Yes. Because oh so many ranges have been dropped lately.

Oh wait. They haven't!

Oh come on, you got me all excited. And it's just some rumors from a dinky store manager.

Don't expect to hear anything for awhile about the Sisters, frankly.

It looks like Kelly is the one doing them, so it'll be awhile in the making.

I'm not. The SOONEST I expect Sisters is Nov/Dec this year, which means we'd get reliable information in Oct/Nov.

Yeah but you're a sisters fanatic Melissia. Of course you expect them in Nov/Dec...


But personally I want to hear more about these With Chunters. They sound ace!

Hang on a sec... Who, exactly, is this Chunter person and why is GW supposed to make a codex based on him and who he's with?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:We also know that WH are the 2nd oldest codex around (after Necrons) but have never been great sellers so GW is in no hurry to put out a new book.

A blind man can see why they were never great sellers: they were the only army that didn't get replacement models for their basic troops in 3rd edition, leaving them with six year old metals when everyone else was getting new plastics. And it only got worse from there, being moved to Direct Only and then having the price increased to 50 pounds per squad.

Ah, poor HBMC, and his literacy problem. Hopefully someday we'll be able to pitch in enough cash to send him to finish his grade school curriculum so that he will be able to have more coherent conversations with us.

Jokes aside, I said "the soonest" meaning that would be the most optimistic projections. Do pay attention

I'd put money this one is in fact true, we'll get a PDF but no new models.

We all know that, for whatever reason, GW has problems doing a plastic SOB kit.

I'm pretty sure that it's not "for whatever reason". There's a specific reason. The robed habits worn underneath the Power Armour is, according to some folks who've heard it from Goodwin, the issue. They can do them in two ways: either flowing in multiple different ways, which ups the complexity factor(and presents a mold/casting issue) or they end up like we saw with the Dark Eldar Warriors/Wyches. They're dynamic, but the bodies only fit together in certain ways--which while simplifying the casting/molds, also decreases the amounts of posing, etc that can be done.

I've heard that before and don't buy that's the whole reason. GW had done flowing robes before Wood Elfs, High Elfs and Black Space Marines all come to mind. If they're happy with those models why would the SoBs be unacceptable? And if the robes are the issue they can be redesigned like the Cadians were.

So GW could make plastic SoBs but, for some reason, choose not to.

We also know that WH are the 2nd oldest codex around (after Necrons) but have never been great sellers so GW is in no hurry to put out a new book. It also had a ton of old mechanics GW would like to get rid of (allies).

Wait, Sisters of Battle have "never been great sellers"? Since when has that been true?

As for "they're in no hurry to put out a new book"--I think Phil Kelly disagrees with you.
We've already seen a PDF for Witchhunters. That's removed the Allies rule, and (kind of/sort of) brought the army up to a somewhat more acceptable place.

So I would bet good money GW is going to do another temporary codex (like they did in 3rd edition) and buy themselves another 2 years or so to develop SoB plastics or drop the range.

Yes. Because oh so many ranges have been dropped lately.

Oh wait. They haven't!

Sigh...

The first SoB codex came out in 1997, the second (3rd edition) in 2004. The 1997 was the last 2nd edition book and only legal for less than a year. From 1998 to 2004 the SoBs had temporary lists from the rule book and then in Chapter Approved. During this time every other army got a codex, some of them more than one (Chaos Space Marines and IG).

The 2004 book was the last 3rd edition book, included no plastic models (barring the immolator) and was only up to date for less than a year before 4th edition came out. now it's been 7 years during which time everyone except Necrons got an update, some more than one (Space Marines).

So yeah. In 14 years they got 2 codexes, no plastics and are one of the least seen armies around.

I think it's safe to say they are not a priority for GW nor are they a top seller.

Hey I like them, I'd love to do an SoB army (in plastic). I even have some metal ones kicking around. But hey, let's not ignore the fact in front of us.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

I'd put money this one is in fact true, we'll get a PDF but no new models.

We all know that, for whatever reason, GW has problems doing a plastic SOB kit.

I'm pretty sure that it's not "for whatever reason". There's a specific reason. The robed habits worn underneath the Power Armour is, according to some folks who've heard it from Goodwin, the issue. They can do them in two ways: either flowing in multiple different ways, which ups the complexity factor(and presents a mold/casting issue) or they end up like we saw with the Dark Eldar Warriors/Wyches. They're dynamic, but the bodies only fit together in certain ways--which while simplifying the casting/molds, also decreases the amounts of posing, etc that can be done.

I've heard that before and don't buy that's the whole reason. GW had done flowing robes before Wood Elfs, High Elfs and Black Space Marines all come to mind. If they're happy with those models why would the SoBs be unacceptable? And if the robes are the issue they can be redesigned like the Cadians were.

So GW could make plastic SoBs but, for some reason, choose not to.

Melissia wrote:Jokes aside

Oh! That was a joke was it? Sorry, I got confused what with the insults and all...

I never claimed my sense of humor was very good But it was posted in good fun.

So back on topic...

They're not gonna push Sisters into a white dwarf article. That's not as profitable to them as selling a book instead.

I see zhen12 is managing to stay on topic. Why not the rest of you?

I swear one of these days I'm going to suggest banning Red China from Dakka.

But there's always a chance I'll go back there so maybe not.

On SoBs, Kanluwen I'll bet a PDF/WD sisters codex before the end of the year and no plastics or real codex till 2013.

I hope not, I hope we get awesome models and a great codex but after Codex AWESOME EXTREME KNIGHTS I have no hope.

If the do a WD my hope is for a nice booklet bundled like they used to do back in the day. Even then I hope its just to tide people over till a full blown launch of new kits get everyone hyped for sisters then drop a bunch of new kits.

AlexHolker wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:We also know that WH are the 2nd oldest codex around (after Necrons) but have never been great sellers so GW is in no hurry to put out a new book.

A blind man can see why they were never great sellers: they were the only army that didn't get replacement models for their basic troops in 3rd edition, leaving them with six year old metals when everyone else was getting new plastics. And it only got worse from there, being moved to Direct Only and then having the price increased to 50 pounds per squad.

You know who did EXACTLY the same thing Go ahead, guess.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I swear one of these days I'm going to suggest banning Red China from Dakka.

But there's always a chance I'll go back there so maybe not.

On SoBs, Kanluwen I'll bet a PDF/WD sisters codex before the end of the year and no plastics or real codex till 2013.

I hope not, I hope we get awesome models and a great codex but after Codex AWESOME EXTREME KNIGHTS I have no hope.

Did I say that there would be plastics or a real codex this year?

Pretty sure I didn't. Pretty sure all I said was that they're being worked on, with all reports being Phil Kelly doing the book and Goodwin has pretty much spilled the beans that he's doing the model line-up.

The PDF/WD Sisters codex might happen, but I don't think so. Why?

We didn't see one for the DH->Grey Knights transition.
We did see one for Blood Angels though Make of that what you will.

I can't wait for GW to release, or not release, the new Sisters of Battle dex and army update based on this rumor. Unless it doesn't happen, which could happen based on this rumor.

I'm really looking forward to a special characters the OP says will go with this book. My favorite is going to be special character, he's sounds the coolest!

Lastly I just want to say thanks for the heads up, since now I know to put some money aside between now and 2013!

Just my two cents;

If the rumors about the 6th ed starter set are to be believed, then Witch Hunters vs. Chaos Marines (or Chaos in general) may be the next AoBR.

I really hope this is true. I enjoy the fluff of the Inquisition over any other aspect of the 40k world. I'm trading off my Space Marines for Grey Knights. If GW were to bring SoB up to date, I'd leap all over that.

I sincerely doubt an army like sisters of battle will be in the next starter box.

The next few releases will give us an idea for sure.

What's left? Sisters of battle and necrons are left on the 3rd ed platter. They are the only ones still with 3rd ed codecies.

Dark Angels and Black templars got faq updates...not a quickie pdf or anything. THey could have done this last year or two ago, but it was recently decided now to do that.

The oldest 4th ed book is Tau. The 2nd oldest is Eldar.

scuddman wrote:I sincerely doubt an army like sisters of battle will be in the next starter box.

The next few releases will give us an idea for sure.

What's left? Sisters of battle and necrons are left on the 3rd ed platter. They are the only ones still with 3rd ed codecies.

Dark Angels and Black templars got faq updates...not a quickie pdf or anything. THey could have done this last year or two ago, but it was recently decided now to do that.

The oldest 4th ed book is Tau. The 2nd oldest is Eldar.

Hm. So, if GW is working in a logical and predictable manner (Aha! Ha ha! Heh hee ah hoooo. Funny, eh?) then Necrons are after GK, which is generally accepted, I believe. If the BTs and DAs were 'patched' using their FAQs, then we may actually see SoB be the next Imperial army. Then Tau, Imperial, Eldar, Imperial.

Happygrunt wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:A blind man can see why they were never great sellers: they were the only army that didn't get replacement models for their basic troops in 3rd edition, leaving them with six year old metals when everyone else was getting new plastics. And it only got worse from there, being moved to Direct Only and then having the price increased to 50 pounds per squad.

You know who did EXACTLY the same thing Go ahead, guess.

Spoiler:

Grey Knights

Wrong. Both the PAGK and TAGK were new when the Daemonhunters came out.

*insert snarky comment*

Hello,
Well as always just keep in mind it is a rumor, as for the comment above about them not being good sellers or "popular": think of this, when SoB armies go on trade sites or Fbay, they go at a premium. Your comment will be "well they are metal", that really means nothing, it is based on the fact that no one sells them, or trades them, so they do have thier popularity, espeecially with the "fluff" crowd. The metals have been still selling or they would ditch them, they were pretty decent models for thier time frame. So passing the salt and wishing the SoB players luck because they have had to look at to many BA armies.

Regards,
Carl

Ghiest1 wrote:Hello,
Well as always just keep in mind it is a rumor,

^

Hm. So, if GW is working in a logical and predictable manner (Aha! Ha ha! Heh hee ah hoooo. Funny, eh?) then Necrons are after GK, which is generally accepted, I believe. If the BTs and DAs were 'patched' using their FAQs, then we may actually see SoB be the next Imperial army. Then Tau, Imperial, Eldar, Imperial.

It's almost logical and predictable. A possible monkey wrench is an inability to get SoB done correctly or on time, in which case the timetable will change. Another thing is that this sort of thinking gives you a general idea of what is coming next, not necessarily what is next. That means anything you listed is somewhat interchangeable to one degree or another.
What it does tell you is what won't be next.

I'd note too, that Chaos Space Marines didn't get a faq, but DA and BT did. If they aren't going to put vanilla space marines in the starter box (which is a great move, imo), GW is still likely to put some sort of marines in the box. THe question is who will oppose them? Tau? Eldar? Witchhunters? Shaq?

I'm hoping on Shaq

100 Marines

vs

Shaq

BrassScorpion wrote:

it will be between now and spring 2013.

As someone once said on Mystery Science Theater 3000, "Could you please be a little more vague?" LOL.

IIRC, that was from Cave Dwellers. We have MST3K night every Thursday

Out of this entire thread can someone confirm one little thing from me? SoB as henchmen for inquisitors in the GK codex :O?

No Sisters of Battle as henchmen I'm afraid. It is however possible to have a unit of base Guardsman stats and give them power armor and bolters. It would make them more costly than SoB with a lower BS, but that's about the best you could do.

xlightscreen wrote:Out of this entire thread can someone confirm one little thing from me? SoB as henchmen for inquisitors in the GK codex :O?

You can get BS3 Guardsmen in Power Armour with Boltguns for an excessive price. Whether that's close enough is up to you.

xlightscreen wrote:Out of this entire thread can someone confirm one little thing from me? SoB as henchmen for inquisitors in the GK codex :O?

SoB are not in the GK codex. I suppose you could proxy them in for something if you want.

Yeah, and the funniest part about it is you can give them Stormbolters for 2 points more than a bolter and actually make the firepower they have useful. I was really hoping they'd stick with the close combat warriors having WS4/BS3 and the ranged ones with a WS3/BS4.

All I want really for it; is an Inquisition tank more like a Leman Russ. Inquisition's focus has always been its infantry and HQs but I'd still like to see what sort of Unique tank they could field. (That isn't a SoB one)

H.B.M.C. wrote:But personally I want to hear more about these With Chunters. They sound ace!

Melissia wrote:Ah, poor HBMC, and his literacy problem. Hopefully someday we'll be able to pitch in enough cash to send him to finish his grade school curriculum so that he will be able to have more coherent conversations with us.

Just to clear this up: For everyone who can read the title, this topic is indeed about Withchunters, not Witchhunters. Who has the literacy problem now?

Back on topic, while Darnok expects Sororitas end of this year, stickmonkey and Captain Ventris expect them early 2012.

Ascalam wrote:I'm hoping on Shaq

100 Marines

vs

Shaq

Not even fair, 7'1" giant versus a hundred 1 1/2" plastic men. Super men, but little plastic ones.

1. Lets remain polite people.
2. I don't see any rumors here. Moving to discussion.

Melissia wrote:Oh come on, you got me all excited. And it's just some rumors from a dinky store manager.

Sounds boring. More special characters? I thought karazmov and celestine were enough, to be honest. Between now and 2013? Good to know. At least I know CSM are before them.

inb4 Manager is just a position you apply for, and is not involved in any way with the design process

Karazmov wasn't a "Sisters" character, but an Inquisitor who could be fielded with absolutely no attachment to the Sisters or Ecclesiarchy.

Well some 'news' is better than none.

Would love for the inquisition to have a large (or about the same size as the WH 'dex) role comparibly.
The GKs pretty much lost all inquisition units pratically.

Good riddance.
The Inquisition can get the hell off of 40k tabletop. They don't belong as anything more than an HQ/Advisor option for the Imperial Guard.

If you don't like them that much why are you in a thread that has something to do with them?

VikingScott wrote:If you don't like them that much why are you in a thread that has something to do with them?

Oh no, I like the Inquisition.

They just don't belong on the bloody tabletop. They're primarily behind-the-scenes operators, not sword waving loons. If they'd done the intelligent thing and made them an alternate HQ choice, unlocking Stormtroopers for Troops on Imperial Guard--we'd avoid them being shoehorned into the Grey Knights book like they were.

I've made that point a few dozen times. I also did not say "I don't like them".
So don't try to put words in my mouth.

Kanluwen wrote:

VikingScott wrote:If you don't like them that much why are you in a thread that has something to do with them?

Oh no, I like the Inquisition.

They just don't belong on the bloody tabletop. They're primarily behind-the-scenes operators, not sword waving loons. If they'd done the intelligent thing and made them an alternate HQ choice, unlocking Stormtroopers for Troops on Imperial Guard--we'd avoid them being shoehorned into the Grey Knights book like they were.

I've made that point a few dozen times. I also did not say "I don't like them".
So don't try to put words in my mouth.

I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth and I don't exactly follow you arround the forum so wouldn't known you said it a few dozen times.

But I can see where your coming from with what you've said.

But there are also militant Inquisitiors who prefer to run down there suspects as well as the behind the scenes puppet masters

VikingScott wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

VikingScott wrote:If you don't like them that much why are you in a thread that has something to do with them?

Oh no, I like the Inquisition.

They just don't belong on the bloody tabletop. They're primarily behind-the-scenes operators, not sword waving loons. If they'd done the intelligent thing and made them an alternate HQ choice, unlocking Stormtroopers for Troops on Imperial Guard--we'd avoid them being shoehorned into the Grey Knights book like they were.

I've made that point a few dozen times. I also did not say "I don't like them".
So don't try to put words in my mouth.

I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth and I don't exactly follow you arround the forum so wouldn't known you said it a few dozen times.

But I can see where your coming from with what you've said.

But there are also militant Inquisitiors who prefer to run down there suspects as well as the behind the scenes puppet masters

And do you know how rare those types of Inquisitors are?

The Inquisition is full of hundreds upon thousands of Inquisitors. From Acolytes to Inquisitor Lords.
Most of the "militant" individuals are Acolytes or recently elevated full Inquisitors who have been attached to a Guard Command structure. They don't really have the authority or political clout to take control of an entire army--but might be able to call in Inquisitorial Stormtroopers.

Once an Inquisitor reaches a certain point(a hundred years old or thereabouts) they tend to retire more and more from fieldwork, leaving their operatives and agents to do the dirty work.

Both of you actually have a point. Indeed those types of Inquisitors are extremely rare, but people still enjoy playing them tabletop. I've got an Inquisition themed IG army with an Inquisitor leading the show.

If you are truly speaking of rarity, you won't find a reflection of that in a tabletop game. People play things because they like the fluff, army, looks, or whatever. Not because of how common or uncommon they are. Look at all the Space Marine players out there. You'll find 5 out of every 10 players at least playing Space Marines from my experience. Fluff terms, Grey Knights should be even more rare.

I guess my point is that people play to seperate themselves from reality, and that in essence is what RPGs are about. Those come in the form of video games, P&P RPGs, tabletop RPGs, strategy RPGs like 40k and WHFB. In all of these examples, you won't find everyday Joe doing his everyday thing. You won't find an RPG about a guy who goes to work, comes home, has dinner then goes to bed. It's always about something grand.

Back on track, I do however wish that Inquisition Stormtroopers were able to be used as troops just like the Daemonhunters codex.

Lord_Astaroth wrote:Both of you actually have a point. Indeed those types of Inquisitors are extremely rare, but people still enjoy playing them tabletop. I've got an Inquisition themed IG army with an Inquisitor leading the show.

And that's one of those things that bothers me, personally.
What is it with everyone wanting an Inquisitor leading their army? Inquisitors are mostly crap at tactical decisions. Look at Inquisitor Lok's expedition to Anphelion.

The whole "battlefield" Inquisitor idea really should just be reworked to be an advisor who can gives options for veteran squads to be "Inquisitorially trained"--giving them better weaponry options or things of that nature.

If you are truly speaking of rarity, you won't find a reflection of that in a tabletop game. People play things because they like the fluff, army, looks, or whatever. Not because of how common or uncommon they are. Look at all the Space Marine players out there. You'll find 5 out of every 10 players at least playing Space Marines from my experience. Fluff terms, Grey Knights should be even more rare.

Without rehashing the whole mess that has been done before:
The representation of Space Marines? Isn't actually unfluffy. Space Marines will almost always be involved in the Imperium's wars. The Space Marines don't really need to hold defensive positions, or anything of that nature. They're free to engage the enemy whenever they please, however they please.

Grey Knights shouldn't be on the tabletop unless there's Daemons. Period. End of story.

I guess my point is that people play to seperate themselves from reality, and that in essence is what RPGs are about. Those come in the form of video games, P&P RPGs, tabletop RPGs, strategy RPGs like 40k and WHFB. In all of these examples, you won't find everyday Joe doing his everyday thing. You won't find an RPG about a guy who goes to work, comes home, has dinner then goes to bed. It's always about something grand.

Back on track, I do however wish that Inquisition Stormtroopers were able to be used as troops just like the Daemonhunters codex.

You mean like they can in the Grey Knights book with Coteaz.

"Inquisition Stormtroopers" are gone, they're just Henchman Squads now it seems.

Kanluwen wrote:Karazmov wasn't a "Sisters" character, but an Inquisitor who could be fielded with absolutely no attachment to the Sisters or Ecclesiarchy.

Karamasov was a Witchhunter Inquisitor (Ordo Hereticus) in a Witchhunter Codex, sounds about right. Now he can only be fielded with the Ordo Militaris of another Inquisition branch ... and a bunch of Xenos, sounds wrong to me.

That said, I like the Inquisition to be part of one or two armies, because they are the most divers and characterful HQ in the game. And I want the Sororitas Codex to be focussed on new Ecclesiarchy units, so they get their own character, not a copy/paste of the Grey Knight Codex.

Of course Space Marines will be involved in every major Imperial battle, I was just explaining the ratio of Guardsmen to Marine, and it's gotta be an unfathomable ratio. Also, yes, you are correct that Coteaz gives henchmen as troops choices, but they do not have a BS4. It's only a 3, plus they don't get the extra wargear (that I admittedly don't use in a game). The henchmen don't get to deepstrike, don't carry targeters, or frag grenades. You can of course give them hot shot lasguns.

That being said, for my Grey Knights, I'll be using my Wargames Factory greatcoats as "Stormtrooper Henchmen" if I need to cut the points while increasing my army size.

Kroothawk wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Karazmov wasn't a "Sisters" character, but an Inquisitor who could be fielded with absolutely no attachment to the Sisters or Ecclesiarchy.

Karamasov was a Witchhunter Inquisitor (Ordo Hereticus) in a Witchhunter Codex, sounds about right. Now he can only be fielded with the Ordo Militaris of another Inquisition branch ... and a bunch of Xenos, sounds wrong to me.

I'm aware of that. But let's face it--"Codex: Witchhunters" was really "Codex: Sisters of Battle--With Back-up Inquisitorial Action!".

Grey Knights should either have just kept the Ordo Malleus connection or had no Inquisitorial presence. There's no arguing that.

That said, I like the Inquisition to be part of one or two armies, because they are the most divers and characterful HQ in the game. And I want the Sororitas Codex to be focussed on new Ecclesiarchy units, so they get their own character, not a copy/paste of the Grey Knight Codex.

Again: they're really not "HQ". They're advisors and scholars, investigators and hunters. They'd make a great HQ attachment or an Elite choice for IG/SM.

Kanluwen wrote:Good riddance.
The Inquisition can get the hell off of 40k tabletop. They don't belong as anything more than an HQ/Advisor option for the Imperial Guard.

Says... you?

You realize that statements like this are probably what cause you the most grief, right?

Alpharius wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Good riddance.
The Inquisition can get the hell off of 40k tabletop. They don't belong as anything more than an HQ/Advisor option for the Imperial Guard.

Says... you?

You realize that statements like this are probably what cause you the most grief, right?

And you realize it's a personal preference, right?

But for that matter...
I do not understand this burning need people seem to have with the Inquisition being on the tabletop.
Is it really that important that you can just have the option?
Because frankly, I would actually rather have them represented based on the way they're portrayed in the background. I don't want Inquisitors being Astartes Hero Lite; I want them to be more akin to the Eisenhorns, the Grummans and the Ravenors of the 40k universe.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

notprop wrote:I can't see GW going to the effort of creating a highly complicated and I assume detailed SoB plastic kit to just do a WD article?

I seem to remember some chat from Jes Goodwin recently describing the difficulties they have had in their attempts of making a workable SoB kit.

Nah sorry I'm not buying this one.

I'd put money this one is in fact true, we'll get a PDF but no new models.

We all know that, for whatever reason, GW has problems doing a plastic SOB kit.

We also know that WH are the 2nd oldest codex around (after Necrons) but have never been great sellers so GW is in no hurry to put out a new book. It also had a ton of old mechanics GW would like to get rid of (allies).

So I would bet good money GW is going to do another temporary codex (like they did in 3rd edition) and buy themselves another 2 years or so to develop SoB plastics or drop the range.

This is what I expect to happen too.

The particular army we are talking about simply has never had the interest and $$$-making ability so many others do have that are currently also in line to be redone, so GW has no reason to put them at the front of the line. Money talks, especially these days. Necrons, Chaos, Tau & Templars will all make them a lot more of it.

Kanluwen wrote:

But for that matter...
I do not understand this burning need people seem to have with the Inquisition being on the tabletop.

Probably because it's something that's been in the game since before the Horus Heresy was, and the imagery of the Inquisitor bringing righteous fire to the Heretics in person is something that is almost as iconic to the 40k universe as the Space Marine blazing away at the hip at some unseen enemy.

Because frankly, I would actually rather have them represented based on the way they're portrayed in the background. I don't want Inquisitors being Astartes Hero Lite; I want them to be more akin to the Eisenhorns, the Grummans and the Ravenors of the 40k universe.

Which are only a selection of Inquisitors, and by their own admission not typical.

If we're going this route, the Space Marines should be an ultra limited IG elites choice given their night mythical rarity in the actual battlefields of the 41st millenium.

Vaktathi wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

But for that matter...
I do not understand this burning need people seem to have with the Inquisition being on the tabletop.

Probably because it's something that's been in the game since before the Horus Heresy was, and the imagery of the Inquisitor bringing righteous fire to the Heretics in person is something that is almost as iconic to the 40k universe as the Space Marine blazing away at the hip at some unseen enemy.

And as people are so frequently loving to point out:
40k's changed since then.

Because frankly, I would actually rather have them represented based on the way they're portrayed in the background. I don't want Inquisitors being Astartes Hero Lite; I want them to be more akin to the Eisenhorns, the Grummans and the Ravenors of the 40k universe.

Which are only a selection of Inquisitors, and by their own admission not typical.

Eisenhorn and Ravenor are atypical, sure.

Grumman? Not so much. He's an Inquisitor from the Cadian sector--the Inquisition there takes a very 'hands-on approach'.

Ascalam wrote:I'm hoping on Shaq

100 Marines

vs

Shaq

It only takes a lowly servitor to toss a donut into a ravine, and Shaq would dive after it.

Kanluwen wrote:
And as people are so frequently loving to point out:
40k's changed since then.

Yes, but it's not something that was in the game and went away like Harlequin Land Raiders, World Eaters with Conversion Beamers, Squats or IG Jetbikes. It's been pretty constant since 1987 and through 2nd Edition, 3rd Edition, 4th Edition and now 5th Edition.

Grumman? Not so much. He's an Inquisitor from the Cadian sector--the Inquisition there takes a very 'hands-on approach'.

And then there should be a way to represent that. There are plenty of fluff examples of Inquisitors taking to the field of battle and leading forces to war. Yes, not all of them do this, but some do.

Vaktathi wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
And as people are so frequently loving to point out:
40k's changed since then.

Yes, but it's not something that was in the game and went away like Harlequin Land Raiders, World Eaters with Conversion Beamers, Squats or IG Jetbikes. It's been pretty constant since 1987 and through 2nd Edition, 3rd Edition, 4th Edition and now 5th Edition.

You're right. It's not like that.

It's more like Astartes being criminals and malcontents, brainwashed and wearing power armor and acting as a kind of police force for the Imperium.
That is to say: they no longer operate in that way and have fundamentally been changed.

Grumman? Not so much. He's an Inquisitor from the Cadian sector--the Inquisition there takes a very 'hands-on approach'.

And then there should be a way to represent that. There are plenty of fluff examples of Inquisitors taking to the field of battle and leading forces to war. Yes, not all of them do this, but some do.

Taking to the field of battle? Yes.
Leading forces to war? Not necessarily. Even in the "Eisenhorn" books, the Inquisition holds back from taking full command.

Kanluwen wrote:

It's more like Astartes being criminals and malcontents, brainwashed and wearing power armor and acting as a kind of police force for the Imperium.
That is to say: they no longer operate in that way and have fundamentally been changed.

Except, they haven't. SM's haven't been portrayed like that since the 80's, that faded away even before 2nd edition came along. Inquisitors are still very much portrayed being able to lead armies and troops in current-use army books.

Taking to the field of battle? Yes.
Leading forces to war? Not necessarily. Even in the "Eisenhorn" books, the Inquisition holds back from taking full command.

And in other instances it does not. Such as the Siege of Vraks for example just off the top of my head.

Detective thriller novels from Black Library aren't the whole of up to date fluff and none of them are contradictory to Inquisitors leading troops into battle, they just don't usually cover the ones that do because that sort of story is generally easier told from a SM/IG perspective for a novel. The Inquisitors are available in army books for a reason, because they can and some do lead troops into battle.

Vaktathi wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

It's more like Astartes being criminals and malcontents, brainwashed and wearing power armor and acting as a kind of police force for the Imperium.
That is to say: they no longer operate in that way and have fundamentally been changed.

Except, they haven't. SM's haven't been portrayed like that since the 80's. Inquisitors are still very much portrayed leading armies and troops in current-use army books.

Okay, and?

There's far, far more examples of Inquisition operating as more akin to Special Forces advisors than bureaucrats seizing control based upon red tape.

Taking to the field of battle? Yes.
Leading forces to war? Not necessarily. Even in the "Eisenhorn" books, the Inquisition holds back from taking full command.

And in other instances it does not. Such as the Siege of Vraks for example just off the top of my head.

And yet in Siege of Vraks--the Inquisition still gave the Death Korps free range of their own operations.
The only thing the Inquisition was really in "command of" during the Siege of Vraks was individual strike teams.
Not unlike what we saw in Eisenhorn, actually...

Detective thriller novels from Black Library aren't the whole of up to date fluff. The Inquisitors are available in army books for a reason, because they can and some do lead troops into battle.

And the army books are outdated. Sad fact, but what can you do.

But hey, you don't think "detective thriller novels" are acceptable?
Let's go with "Cadian Blood" then. The Ordo Sepulturum Inquisitor within that book takes possession of a strike team from the 88th Mechanized, but still defers to the Cadians he is "commanding" when it comes to the matters of combat.
Let's also go with "Emperor's Mercy". Inquisitor Roth, while an investigator, does a bit of "leading troops into battle"...oh wait. He does the same thing that we see in "Cadian Blood".

Kanluwen wrote:
Okay, and?

There's far, far more examples of Inquisition operating as more akin to Special Forces advisors than bureaucrats seizing control based upon red tape.

In the current books, Inquisitors can be taken alongside GK Grand Masters or Cannonness's bringing along their own retinues and specialties to the force, or as the leader of an army. They can do either.

And yet in Siege of Vraks--the Inquisition still gave the Death Korps free range of their own operations.

They took over direct command and integrated themselves into the planning. They didn't go into tactical stuff, but they did get involved on the operational level (where many 40k games take place) and dictated all strategic matters.

The only thing the Inquisition was really in "command of" during the Siege of Vraks was individual strike teams.
Not unlike what we saw in Eisenhorn, actually...

Except when Hector Rex was put in direct command of the 88th Siege Army as its commander?

And the army books are outdated. Sad fact, but what can you do.

By what? BL books? Sorry, but they don't render Codex books obsolete.

Even if they did, they aren't contradictory in any way to Inquisitors leading armies.

But hey, you don't think "detective thriller novels" are acceptable?
Let's go with "Cadian Blood" then. The Ordo Sepulturum Inquisitor within that book takes possession of a strike team from the 88th Mechanized, but still defers to the Cadians he is "commanding" when it comes to the matters of combat.
Let's also go with "Emperor's Mercy". Inquisitor Roth, while an investigator, does a bit of "leading troops into battle"...oh wait. He does the same thing that we see in "Cadian Blood".

Again, these are BL books that cover specific instances, they don't cover the whole breadth of the Inquisition and certainly don't override GW Design Studio stuff.


EDIT: Just because Black Library doesn't have a book with Inquisitors directly leading an army doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It just means that the Black Library hasn't written about it, but the codecies and rulebooks definitely have.

Kanluwen wrote:Good riddance.
The Inquisition can get the hell off of 40k tabletop.

I wish you would shut up sometimes Kan.

Stop telling people what armies they can and cannot have.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Good riddance.
The Inquisition can get the hell off of 40k tabletop.

I wish you would shut up sometimes Kan.

Stop telling people what armies they can and cannot have.

I wish you would actually read posts sometimes, HB.

There's nothing in my post saying "YOU CANNOT HAVE THIS".
It's me expressing my personal feelings on the Inquisition on the 40k tabletop. Namely: they can get the hell off of it.
Why? Because I feel they were shoehorned in with the Daemonhunters and Witchhunters books.

Vaktathi wrote:In the current books, Inquisitors can be taken alongside GK Grand Masters or Cannonesses bringing along their own retinues and specialties to the force, or as the leader of an army. They can do either.

And Daemonhunters are being overwritten by the Grey Knight book next month. With that, only Coteaz will be "leading armies" of any individual import, the rest will be doing what I've been saying they should be doing: acting as an advisorial role with a cadre of specialists being under their purview.

They took over direct command and integrated themselves into the planning. They didn't go into tactical stuff, but they did get involved on the operational level (where many 40k games take place) and dictated all strategic matters.

Special circumstances which made it allowable though. Daemonic incursions and Warp Portals out the wazoo mean that's one of those circumstances where it's completely believable, even encouraged that the Inquisition would be dictating strategic matters.

Except when Hector Rex was put in direct command of the 88th Siege Army as its commander?

"Supreme Commander" actually.
'With the great lord would come not only his own formidable retinue of followers but also other Inquisitors of the Ordo Malleus, allies of Rex who supported their leader and would now be placed amongst the headquarters of each Krieg regiment on Vraks."
That last part is what I'm personally in favor of. Inquisitors would have been a great advisor or if they were setup like the Techpriest Enginseers.

By what? BL books? Sorry, but they don't render Codex books obsolete.

Yeah they do, actually--at least when it comes to the background material.

Even if they did, they aren't contradictory in any way to Inquisitors leading armies.

Other than y'know, every Inquisitor they've described in detail has acted as an advisory element to the supreme commanders, who can if necessary overwrite the commanders.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Good riddance.
The Inquisition can get the hell off of 40k tabletop.

I wish you would shut up sometimes Kan.

Stop telling people what armies they can and cannot have.

Yes indeed, Muammar Gaddafi used to do that too, and look what it got him now

Kanluwen wrote:Karazmov wasn't a "Sisters" character, but an Inquisitor who could be fielded with absolutely no attachment to the Sisters or Ecclesiarchy.

I know I was just pointing out another SC in the codex Karazmov and celestine are the only ones, right?

Samus_aran115 wrote:
I know I was just pointing out another SC in the codex Karazmov and celestine are the only ones, right?

Yes you're right and now Grey Knights took him too. Actually Grey Knights have borrowed every model (literally) from the WH codex except the actual Sororitas ones. In some ways it irks me as I know I will be waiting at least a year for new stuff, but in the long run its good as it likley means that we will be getting more of our own units in codex SoB not some cobbled together crap as in codex WH. Hopefully we get a few more guns that shoot farther than 12" though. I bet that St Celestine gets a huge buff though when she's updated. She's kind of wimpy for a 200+ point character. One failed save usually means death for her since there are a lot fo 6+ Strength guns out there. Sure she can come back from the dead but after losing 1d6 faith points and possibly your ability to use faith for the rest of the game its often not worth it.

Sisters are a finesse army and it takes skill to use them against even moderately competent opponents.

I dont think we will see any Inquisition SC in the Sisters of Battle codex. If anything we will see the return of these :

SAINT PRAXEDES OF OPHELIA VII
HELENA THE VIRTUOUS
URIAH JACOBUS
REDEMPTOR KYRINOV
CARDINAL ARMANDUS HELFIRE

Two of these already have models but no longer rules.

As for henchmen we will most likely see some sort of Frateris Militia with rag tag mobs of people in them.
Maybe Arbites as well amongst those entries.

MadCowCrazy wrote:I dont think we will see any Inquisition SC in the Sisters of Battle codex. If anything we will see the return of these :

SAINT PRAXEDES OF OPHELIA VII
HELENA THE VIRTUOUS
URIAH JACOBUS
REDEMPTOR KYRINOV
CARDINAL ARMANDUS HELFIRE

Two of these already have models but no longer rules.

As for henchmen we will most likely see some sort of Frateris Militia with rag tag mobs of people in them.
Maybe Arbites as well amongst those entries.

Hopefully we get some more than that. I don't really want Jacobus as I hated the fluff behind him and the look of his model. Its not a bad one, I just don't want a mad mountain man with a shotgun in my army. Its just doesn't fit to me. Kyrinov is cool. He's the pope and he's kicking butt! Really though I want a few characters that are actually alive. Praxedes and Jacobus are both dead according to their last fluff. I'm sure we'll get them too.

Kanluwen wrote:

Alpharius wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Good riddance.
The Inquisition can get the hell off of 40k tabletop. They don't belong as anything more than an HQ/Advisor option for the Imperial Guard.

Says... you?

You realize that statements like this are probably what cause you the most grief, right?

And you realize it's a personal preference, right?

But for that matter...
I do not understand this burning need people seem to have with the Inquisition being on the tabletop.
Is it really that important that you can just have the option?
Because frankly, I would actually rather have them represented based on the way they're portrayed in the background. I don't want Inquisitors being Astartes Hero Lite; I want them to be more akin to the Eisenhorns, the Grummans and the Ravenors of the 40k universe.

Given that its the ONLY race for 40k TT I like (I only like the guard when used by the Inquisition and I'm NOT talking just an Inquisitor) then yeah; its a pretty big deal to me.

You do know that there is whole groups of philosophies that a large portion of Inquisitors follow; that prefer to do their stuff out on the open? yeah.

-Lord Inquisitor Coteaz
-Lord Inquisitor Karmazov
-Lord Inquisitor Commodeus Vokes
-Lord Inquisitor Firenze

All are famous Inquisitors that do EVERYTHING out in the open. (one of the philosophies).

-Inquisitor Eisenhorn
-Inquisitor Jaq Draco
-Inquisitor Ravenor

These famous inquisitors prefer secrective methods. There is just as much right for Inquisition armies to be playable; since its WELL-NOTED that a proportion of Inquisitors are noted to have armies of followers (whom have their own followers they will give). Who says mine can't be like that?

"I do not understand this burning need people seem to have with the Inquisition being on the tabletop. "

What's your burning need to see them go away? There's nothing in the fluff that prevents an inquisitor from leading an army and there's no reasons to write new fluff to change this.

I've bought a box of Inquisitor and Retinue recently and I don't want it to become a simple HQ/Advisor in an IG army I don't have.

Der Immolator wrote:"I do not understand this burning need people seem to have with the Inquisition being on the tabletop. "

What's your burning need to see them go away? There's nothing in the fluff that prevents an inquisitor from leading an army and there's no reasons to write new fluff to change this.

I've bought a box of Inquisitor and Retinue recently and I don't want it to become a simple HQ/Advisor in an IG army I don't have.

My "burning need to see them go away" is because they were introduced in as asinine of a manner as the squats were. They were shoehorned in and the background was ignored simply so that they could have a tie-in to the shoddy Inquisitor 54mm game. If they'd done it right the first time, we'd not be stuck with a craptastic Grey Knights Codex which has basically crammed the three primary Ordos of the Inquisition in as an afterthought.

And yes, while there's "nothing in the fluff that prevents an Inquisitor from leading an army"--they don't tend to "lead armies" made up entirely of Ordo forces.

You know why? Because the Inquisitors most often operate alone, with no way to have the forces of the Inquisition constantly with them. It's why they have the Inquisitorial Rosette, allowing them to strongarm or browbeat local forces into assisting them.

Kanluwen wrote:
My "burning need to see them go away" is because they were introduced in as asinine of a manner as the squats were. They were shoehorned in and the background was ignored simply so that they could have a tie-in to the shoddy Inquisitor 54mm game.

Except they've been around as 40k army leaders since loooooooong before the Inquisitor game came out, and long since it has been relegated to a back burner game.

You know why? Because the Inquisitors most often operate alone, with no way to have the forces of the Inquisition constantly with them. It's why they have the Inquisitorial Rosette, allowing them to strongarm or browbeat local forces into assisting them.

Most often doesn't mean always. The vast majority of the Imperium's wars never see a single Space Marine boot, and of those that do, it's rarely for more than a single engagement of company or smaller size. Yet they SM's are the ubiquitous Imperial force in this game. Inquisitors sometimes lead armies, they don't always or necessarily often, but they can and do and it's always something that's been available in the game and hasn't been retconned and the imagery of an Inquisitor dirtying themselves in the business of purging is fairly iconic for 40k.

There's no reason *not* to have the option just because they don't fit with a couple of Black Library books.

andrewm9 wrote:
Hopefully we get some more than that. I don't really want Jacobus as I hated the fluff behind him and the look of his model. Its not a bad one, I just don't want a mad mountain man with a shotgun in my army. Its just doesn't fit to me. Kyrinov is cool. He's the pope and he's kicking butt! Really though I want a few characters that are actually alive. Praxedes and Jacobus are both dead according to their last fluff. I'm sure we'll get them too.

About a year ago when Stickmonkey first reported on the Sisters 3ups he had seen he said he saw a female model with a storm bolter on each hand, the type Grey Knights use that are part of their gloves. He also said he saw a female with twin cat o flails but that could be a new Repentia Mistress model.

Either way there are sure to release some new SCs, at least 2-4 new ones compared to what we have now. Most likely a SC Canoness of some sort.

Kanluwen wrote:My "burning need to see them go away" is because they were introduced in as asinine of a manner as the squats were. They were shoehorned in and the background was ignored simply so that they could have a tie-in to the shoddy Inquisitor 54mm game. If they'd done it right the first time, we'd not be stuck with a craptastic Grey Knights Codex which has basically crammed the three primary Ordos of the Inquisition in as an afterthought.

And yes, while there's "nothing in the fluff that prevents an Inquisitor from leading an army"--they don't tend to "lead armies" made up entirely of Ordo forces.

You know why? Because the Inquisitors most often operate alone, with no way to have the forces of the Inquisition constantly with them. It's why they have the Inquisitorial Rosette, allowing them to strongarm or browbeat local forces into assisting them.

Even if it was badly integrated, Inquisition as an army was still an addition to WH40k and I'm sure people playing them don't regret it. What you propose is subtracting content from the game. Don't be surprise if most people won't agree.

"Don't tend to", "most often" =/ never, always.

" with no way to have the forces of the Inquisition constantly with them.", "allowing them to strongarm or browbeat local forces into assisting them."

Those forces can't be worth 2000pts?

Vaktathi wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
My "burning need to see them go away" is because they were introduced in as asinine of a manner as the squats were. They were shoehorned in and the background was ignored simply so that they could have a tie-in to the shoddy Inquisitor 54mm game.

Except they've been around as 40k army leaders since loooooooong before the Inquisitor game came out, and long since it has been relegated to a back burner game.

"Long since it has been relegated to a backburner game"? Oh you mean that they just haven't updated the books, same as Necrons.

I gotcha now.

Oh...wait. It looks like Necrons are undergoing a dramatic background shift. Funny how that works.

You know why? Because the Inquisitors most often operate alone, with no way to have the forces of the Inquisition constantly with them. It's why they have the Inquisitorial Rosette, allowing them to strongarm or browbeat local forces into assisting them.

Most often doesn't mean always. The vast majority of the Imperium's wars never see a single Space Marine boot, and of those that do, it's rarely for more than a single engagement of company or smaller size. Yet they SM's are the ubiquitous Imperial force in this game. Inquisitors sometimes lead armies, they don't always or necessarily often, but they can and do and it's always something that's been available in the game and hasn't been retconned and the imagery of an Inquisitor dirtying themselves in the business of purging is fairly iconic for 40k.

And the Marine thing is something that irks me too, yet the explanation of 40k representing a "snapshot of an important part of a larger battle" makes the Space Marine presence far, far more acceptable than the supposed "imagery of an Inquisitor dirtying themselves in the business of purging" which is so fairly iconic for 40k it really doesn't happen in the majority of the background pieces out there.

There's no reason *not* to have the option just because they don't fit with a couple of Black Library books.

And there's no reason to have the option just because it was there to begin with.
Squats were there to begin with.
They were dropped for a damned good reason. Just do the same thing with the Inquisition and refinesse the background/placement of them to make more sense.


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Kanluwen wrote:My "burning need to see them go away" is because they were introduced in as asinine of a manner as the squats were. They were shoehorned in and the background was ignored simply so that they could have a tie-in to the shoddy Inquisitor 54mm game. If they'd done it right the first time, we'd not be stuck with a craptastic Grey Knights Codex which has basically crammed the three primary Ordos of the Inquisition in as an afterthought.

And yes, while there's "nothing in the fluff that prevents an Inquisitor from leading an army"--they don't tend to "lead armies" made up entirely of Ordo forces.

You know why? Because the Inquisitors most often operate alone, with no way to have the forces of the Inquisition constantly with them. It's why they have the Inquisitorial Rosette, allowing them to strongarm or browbeat local forces into assisting them.

Even if it was badly integrated, Inquisition as an army was still an addition to WH40k and I'm sure people playing them don't regret it. What you propose is subtracting content from the game. Don't be surprise if most people won't agree.

I don't give a flying crap if "most people won't agree". I'm expressing an opinion, just like you're doing it too.

And for all this talk of "subtracting content from the game", people are constantly whining that they want my Dark Angels to receive the same treatment I'm proposing here. What do I tell them? That yeah, it's easily doable to just "drop them" into the main SM book. But you lose all the damned character involved with the depicted force. That is why I think the Inquisition either should have been relegated to a background role in a mainline book ala the Imperial Guard or held off on, their entire background, organizational methods, etc overhauled and given their own full-sized book.

I understand that people "don't want their armies dropped" and I completely understand that people like the Inquisition. I really do.
But things with the Inquisition either need to be reworked or just plain dropped and started over from scratch again. It's completely unfreaking acceptable that all three Ordos have been crammed into the Grey Knights book.

It's even more unacceptable that you just know the only reason it was done was to placate the die-hard Inquisition fans, the kinds who are here arguing against me right now.

"Don't tend to", "most often" =/ never, always.

Of course they don't. But by that same token, it doesn't mean that Inquisitors always travel in Black Ships loaded with Inquisitorial Stormtroopers and seconded Guard regiments to serve as meatshields.

" with no way to have the forces of the Inquisition constantly with them.", "allowing them to strongarm or browbeat local forces into assisting them."

Those forces can't be worth 2000pts?

You tell me. Do you really think a strike team led by an Inquisitor and consisting of Inquisitorial Stormtroopers backed up by an orbital asset which launches pinpoint strikes should be worth 2k points?

Kanluwen wrote:[
"Long since it has been relegated to a backburner game"? Oh you mean that they just haven't updated the books, same as Necrons.

Irrelevant, the point was that they weren't shoe-horned in for the Inquisitor game, that was pure fantasy on your part. The Inquisitor game wasn't released until nearly a decade and a half after 40k was released, and inquisitors are still largely the same now as they have been in the past in regards to their station on the battlefield and the tabletop. The point was that they've been in the game as army leaders for nearly two and a half decades and are a defining feature of tabletop Inquisitorial forces, and really don't have much to do with the Inquisitor tabletop game.

Oh...wait. It looks like Necrons are undergoing a dramatic background shift. Funny how that works.

Um...ok this has what to do with what we are talking about and is based on what exactly?

And the Marine thing is something that irks me too, yet the explanation of 40k representing a "snapshot of an important part of a larger battle" makes the Space Marine presence far, far more acceptable than the supposed "imagery of an Inquisitor dirtying themselves in the business of purging" which is so fairly iconic for 40k it really doesn't happen in the majority of the background pieces out there.

It hasn't happened in Black Library books you mean. ZOMG! Get over it. Black Library doesn't cover everything, much of it is little better than entertaining war porn, and isn't the real authority on 40k background, the design studio is. Hell, half the Black Library books don't even make sense next to other Black Library books. In some books you have Tac squads taking on thousands of Dark Eldar troops and butchering them, in others you have a squad of guardsmen and some mud hut dwellers taking out Space Marines with relatively inconsequential casualties.

And there's no reason to have the option just because it was there to begin with.

Except that its been a defining feature of inquisitorial forces for decades and removing it removes a well known, long established trait from that army that has helped define it since its inception?

Squats were there to begin with.
They were dropped for a damned good reason. Just do the same thing with the Inquisition and refinesse the background/placement of them to make more sense.

Squats were dropped because it was felt they were too comedic and nobody on the design studio wanted to work on them to fix that. Inquisitors leading armies aren't even in remotely the same situation. You're pretty much the only person arguing that Inquisitors should not be allowable army leaders that I've ever seen. I don't think I'm alone in this assertion judging by the responses here.

Vaktathi wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:[
"Long since it has been relegated to a backburner game"? Oh you mean that they just haven't updated the books, same as Necrons.

Irrelevant, the point was that they weren't shoe-horned in for the Inquisitor game, that was pure fantasy on your part. The Inquisitor game wasn't released until nearly a decade and a half after 40k was released, and inquisitors are still largely the same now as they have been in the past in regards to their station on the battlefield and the tabletop. The point was that they've been in the game as army leaders for nearly two and a half decades and are a defining feature of tabletop Inquisitorial forces, and really don't have much to do with the Inquisitor tabletop game.

Yeah...so, about that "shoehorning in"?
There was no Inquisition "force" until the Inquisitor game was released. They were options, sure. But they weren't their own entire army.

But you can keep believing that there was "no shoehorning" in that regard.

People, stop feeding the troll. Please.

That's funny coming from you, Grizgrin.

But eh. I made my point. The Inquisition needs to be heavily redone, given the full Dark Eldar treatment when it comes to their background and how they behave on the tabletop.

Cramming them into the Grey Knights book as a "fanservice" wasn't the right answer though.

There is a difference between making a point and making a Dalmatian

Kanluwen wrote:Good riddance.
The Inquisition can get the hell off of 40k tabletop. They don't belong as anything more than an HQ/Advisor option for the Imperial Guard.

Aaaaand a couple pages later:

Kanluwen wrote: I think the Inquisition either should have been relegated to a background role in a mainline book ala the Imperial Guard or held off on, their entire background, organizational methods, etc overhauled and given their own full-sized book.

Ever notice how when someone is losing in a long argument they start to subtly change their stance untill it looks more like their opponents so they don't seem as wrong? Most of the Inquisition fans are arguing that they should get their own book. Kanluwen went from "They should be at most advisors" to "They should get their own book". Suddenly this was his stance all along and you are just misreading him.

But this is all off-topic. I'm getting realling jazzed about this new With Chunter book. I don't know how to chunt a With, but I bet it's going to be awesome!

Ever notice how when someone is losing in a long argument they start to subtly change their stance until it looks more like their opponent's so they don't seem as wrong?

Subtly? I wouldn't say subtly. LOL. It's a regular habit for people who argue with everything and spam every thread with tons of rebuttals long after they've been proven incorrect.

Chunting will be the new Rending. Mark my words.

Wit Chhunter is a new Inquisition special character kind of like how Lionel Johnson became Lion El'Johnson after GW writers got hold of his name.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Chunting will be the new Rending. Mark my words.

They should have made the Eversor assassin's neural gauntlet chunting instead of "counts as lightning claw" I hate "counts as" for items with unique sounding names. But that's a different rant.

According to Google.

Definitions of chunter on the Web:

* To speak in a soft, indistinct manner, mutter; To grumble, complain
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chunter

So, all of you that say Kan is off topic. Lies, he is totally on topic!!!

One thing I really really REALLY wanna know.

What sort of Inquisition army player...actually uses an Inquisitor with NO retinue or power in his army? (aka the majority of the sneaky ones)

Mr Hyena wrote:One thing I really really REALLY wanna know.

What sort of Inquisition army player...actually uses an Inquisitor with NO retinue or power in his army? (aka the majority of the sneaky ones)

I can't speak for everyone but I know I don't/didn't.

I used to, as a cheap way to get an assassin into the list without using up an hq slot.

I haven't played WH in years though.

Vaktathi wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
My "burning need to see them go away" is because they were introduced in as asinine of a manner as the squats were. They were shoehorned in and the background was ignored simply so that they could have a tie-in to the shoddy Inquisitor 54mm game.

Except they've been around as 40k army leaders since loooooooong before the Inquisitor game came out, and long since it has been relegated to a back burner game.

I started playing in 3rd Edition, and back then you could take an Inquisitor as an HQ choice (either the sole HQ or complementing one from your own army). I've been using an Inquisitor as the leader of my army (be it Sisters of Battle or Imperial Guard) since then, which was well before the Inquisitor game came out.

So, now that Codex: Grey Knights is out, I am finding myself, for the first time in more than a decade, unable to bring an Inquisitor as the commander of my army. I am not too upset, though, because I find that Col. Iron Hand Straken makes a pretty nifty Inquisitor (certainly better in combat than the ones in the GK codex) complete with a modest retinue. And regular IG storm troopers with red uniforms and black armour make more than adequate Inquisitorial Storm Troopers.

Still and all, I would have much preferred the ability to still use them as allies. Or a pure Inquisition codex would be great also.

Inquisitors were part of a White Dwarf preview / rules release before the DH/WH codex came out. I believe it was only a few months before the codex release. (I still have the WD downstairs.)

Inquisitors were definitely not part of the 2nd Ed SoB Codex or the Codex Chapter Approved codex from 3rd. I believe they were part of 2nd edition Codex Imperialis until that was squatted with the move to 3rd. So saying they've always been part of the game is a bit of a misrepresentation.

And right now you can still bring WH inquisitors to your IG army as that codex and the rules for allies in it have not changed.


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Just checked. It was WD274 in Nov 2002. And it didn't have HQ inquisitors. So from the end of 2nd until DH/WH Inquisitors were not an option for IG.

pretre wrote:So saying they've always been part of the game is a bit of a misrepresentation.

Hardly. They were available from the word go throughout all of 2nd Ed as an Imperial Agent for any Imperial army (my Guard army almost always had an Inquisitor leading them - they were his army!). Before then, in Rogue Trader, there are rules for Inquisitors (including the first rules for the Psycannon) as far back as the Realms of Chaos books.

They've always been around - even if they were from Citadel Journal rules or something obscure like the Ordo Hereticus Strike Force.

Mr Hyena wrote:One thing I really really REALLY wanna know.

What sort of Inquisition army player...actually uses an Inquisitor with NO retinue or power in his army? (aka the majority of the sneaky ones)

I do it all the time, the elite Inquisitor with an incinerator or other wargear is a nice flexible IC you can add to all sorts of units.

I mispoke in that line. It is clear from the rest of my post that I meant that they had been around but had not 'always been part of his IG army'.

Just replace 'the game' with 'your army'.

My bad.

Vaktathi wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:[
"Long since it has been relegated to a backburner game"? Oh you mean that they just haven't updated the books, same as Necrons.

Irrelevant, the point was that they weren't shoe-horned in for the Inquisitor game, that was pure fantasy on your part. The Inquisitor game wasn't released until nearly a decade and a half after 40k was released, and inquisitors are still largely the same now as they have been in the past in regards to their station on the battlefield and the tabletop. The point was that they've been in the game as army leaders for nearly two and a half decades and are a defining feature of tabletop Inquisitorial forces, and really don't have much to do with the Inquisitor tabletop game.

This is BS. There were no Inquisitors leading armies before the 3rd edition Codexes. In 2E and the 3E rulebook lists, Inquisitors were Agents, listed alongside electro-priests, tech-priests, confessors and assassins. There was no notion of an "Inquisitorial army". 2nd edition Sisters of Battle had zero inquisitorial flavor.

Agamemnon2 wrote:There were no Inquisitors leading armies before the 3rd edition Codexes.

Except that there were. Even Codex Imperialis says that some types of Inquisitors lead their own private armies, and that others second Imperial forces.

Agamemnon2 wrote:
This is BS. There were no Inquisitors leading armies before the 3rd edition Codexes. In 2E and the 3E rulebook lists, Inquisitors were Agents, listed alongside electro-priests, tech-priests, confessors and assassins. There was no notion of an "Inquisitorial army". 2nd edition Sisters of Battle had zero inquisitorial flavor.

My Codex Imperialis and Rogue Trader books disagree.

Lets be honest, the 2E sisters of Battle Book was in use for what, 8 months? It was a rushed book at the tail end of dying edition before a massive revamp?

It was not a rushed book, still the best source for Sororitas and Ecclesiarchy background. It wasn't useful for games for long with 3rd edition coming, that's true.

odd that i have heard 2013 too though, maybe this does have a thread of truth?

my source is not a manager, lol my manager goes to great lengths NOT to say anything to me he knows i post on here, not that i would "believe" him, he is trustworthy, he just like to mess with me lol

It's always hilarious when people pick and choose 40k fiction as the REAL 40k world and disregard the rest.

Not the mention the fact that game designers re-write the game universe all the time to make room for new units.

Back in the Good old days of 3rd edition, when all I had for my guard army was the rules listed in the rulebook i had a Space marine Chaplain in termi armour that I used as an inquisitor leading my army, because I was but a small boy and I thought how awesome is it to have a terminator leading your guard army. I also used priests in all my squads because it was cheaper than a veteran sergeant upgrade and you got an extra model and an extra leadership for your guardsmen

This thread is all sorts of wrong, nice tease. Between now and 2013?

Sorry about the title guys , never realised.

About the dates though, how precise do you expect me to be? It's unlikely to be this year what with GK, and either Necrons or the rumoured Tau. Next spring? But then what about DA or BT?

phantommaster wrote:Sorry about the title guys , never realised.

About the dates though, how precise do you expect me to be? It's unlikely to be this year what with GK, and either Necrons or the rumoured Tau. Next spring? But then what about DA or BT?

You're joking right? With those dates you are bound to be 100% correct. It's the same as saying you can expect a new space marine codex anytime between now and 2015. That is also 100% to be correct.

Anytime between now and 2013 you are 100% percent likely to see a new Necron, Sisters, Tau, BT and DA codex, if there is time for more you are 100% likely to see a new Eldar, CSM and Chaos Daemons codex.

phantommaster wrote:Sorry about the title guys , never realised.

About the dates though, how precise do you expect me to be? It's unlikely to be this year what with GK, and either Necrons or the rumoured Tau. Next spring? But then what about DA or BT?

F those other marines! I want plastics for my army. WH have precisely 3 all plastic models if you count the dedicated transports section and 1 if you don't. Thats what I say. Those guys just got a great FAQ update so they need nothing until 6th IMO.

GW just has to be willign to take a chance on it. The Sisters not seeling well is going to be self fulfilling if you don't give them any support and continue to cut back what they do have. Sisters have gotten no support since they came out with the 3rd Ed WH codex. No Apoc formations, no Planetstrike stratagems, no new models, maybe 1 or 2 articles in WD after the release, nothing for Spearhead, and almost no FW support either is what we have received. Its no wonder nobody buys any Sisters.

We already have evreything we want. I have nearly 6000 points worth of stuff and I don't want any more since its more of the same.

Kroothawk wrote:... still the best source for Sororitas and Ecclesiarchy background.

Maybe back then... but now...

Okay, agreed
I own both but haven't read Blood of Martyrs yet.

Apropos!

Cannibal wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Good riddance.
The Inquisition can get the hell off of 40k tabletop. They don't belong as anything more than an HQ/Advisor option for the Imperial Guard.

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Kanluwen wrote: I think the Inquisition either should have been relegated to a background role in a mainline book ala the Imperial Guard or held off on, their entire background, organizational methods, etc overhauled and given their own full-sized book.

Ever notice how when someone is losing in a long argument they start to subtly change their stance untill it looks more like their opponents so they don't seem as wrong? Most of the Inquisition fans are arguing that they should get their own book. Kanluwen went from "They should be at most advisors" to "They should get their own book". Suddenly this was his stance all along and you are just misreading him.

But this is all off-topic. I'm getting realling jazzed about this new With Chunter book. I don't know how to chunt a With, but I bet it's going to be awesome!

there's a word for it.

"Trolling"

That guy does it a lot on this forum it seems. It also seems to be tolerated, if not outright sanctioned.

I really hope that the next imperial codex will be somehow related to Sisters, they have some good fluff, and fit well into the universe and i'd hate to see them go the path of the squat. And on a side note I love the new DH book, actually got a chance to talk with the guy who designed the thing, and he knows what he is doing. expect some really good stuff to come out of ffg in the future.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Maybe back then... but now...

GW does not consider what FFG (and even BL) writes as cannon. They might cherry pick a particular idea, but they only consider what they write in house to be "the real 40k".

GW just has to be willign to take a chance on it. The Sisters not seeling well is going to be self fulfilling if you don't give them any support and continue to cut back what they do have. Sisters have gotten no support since they came out with the 3rd Ed WH codex. No Apoc formations, no Planetstrike stratagems, no new models, maybe 1 or 2 articles in WD after the release, nothing for Spearhead, and almost no FW support either is what we have received. Its no wonder nobody buys any Sisters.

They are still popular - people have been asking about them much more than they have been with dark eldar.

Moopy wrote:GW does not consider what FFG (and even BL) writes as cannon. They might cherry pick a particular idea, but they only consider what they write in house to be "the real 40k".

Then why do they go over everything FFG does with a fine tooth comb?

Phototoxin wrote:
They are still popular - people have been asking about them much more than they have been with dark eldar.

I realize that. All I am saying is that GW can't expect Sisters to sell if the same minis have been in circulation since 97. Almost 14 years. Somebody buy them a clue please. Metal minis are durable even if their paintjobs aren't.

pretre wrote:Inquisitors were part of a White Dwarf preview / rules release before the DH/WH codex came out. I believe it was only a few months before the codex release. (I still have the WD downstairs.)

But before that, they were in the big black Warhammer 40,000 3rd Ed. Rule Book -- "Heroes of the Imperium Army". Page 260 if you have the rule book. Those choices (including an Inquisitor HQ) were available until the WD you mentioned came out.


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Agamemnon2 wrote:
This is BS. There were no Inquisitors leading armies before the 3rd edition Codexes. In 2E and the 3E rulebook lists, Inquisitors were Agents, listed alongside electro-priests, tech-priests, confessors and assassins. There was no notion of an "Inquisitorial army". 2nd edition Sisters of Battle had zero inquisitorial flavor.

Here's what page 260 of the 3rd Edition Rulebook says:

"Heroes such as Inquisitors, Missionaries, and Confessors represent mighty heroes that might lead a whole army to battle. These characters count as one of your HQ choices."

It says nothing about them not fulfilling a slot on the force organisation chart. As such, at least my army was often led by a lone inquisitor with no other HQ choices from as early as 2000 -- well before the 3rd edition codices. I really miss my Inquisitor and especially the 5 pt preachers that I added to all my squads for the Ordo Hereticus/Ecclesiarchy theme that I still try to use with my IG (the priests are gone now, though, and I am reduced to using a "counts as" for my Inquisitor).

NWansbutter wrote:

pretre wrote:Inquisitors were part of a White Dwarf preview / rules release before the DH/WH codex came out. I believe it was only a few months before the codex release. (I still have the WD downstairs.)

But before that, they were in the big black Warhammer 40,000 3rd Ed. Rule Book -- "Heroes of the Imperium Army". Page 260 if you have the rule book. Those choices (including an Inquisitor HQ) were available until the WD you mentioned came out.

Wow. I think I may have just gotten completely served. Now that you mention it, they probably were in there since all the armies were in the back. I'm going to have to check that out when I get home.

I retract my previous statements since they have always been an option. Although they are still an option right now (C: WH) and I know at least one guy who uses a Primaris as his 'Inq' in his guard army.

Thanks, NWansbutter!

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Moopy wrote:GW does not consider what FFG (and even BL) writes as cannon. They might cherry pick a particular idea, but they only consider what they write in house to be "the real 40k".

Then why do they go over everything FFG does with a fine tooth comb?

Because they don't want them "screwing up" existing cannon or going in a direction that the GW guys can't stand. However, that doesn't mean they're actually going to use most or any of it.

Or, more realistically, GW are very controlling with their IP and the guys at FFG have to ensure that theirs matches what GW is either doing or has planned.

That too.

pretre wrote: Although they are still an option right now (C: WH) and I know at least one guy who uses a Primaris as his 'Inq' in his guard army.

Yeah, that's true -- as mentioned I use Straken for my Inquisitor now. Although I had forgotten about C:WH because I've been assuming all along that they are going to come out with some FAQ in the April White Dwarf officially taking away the ally abilities. But maybe not, in which case I think that a Witch Hunter Lord Inquisitor with max HTH retine (3x crusaders, 3x acolytes, 2x chirurgeons) might be better than Straken since the retinue can at least dish out a bit of pain. Plus two chirurgeons beat the heck out of an IG medic for 6 points less.

All I know is that when I actually got to look at C:GK, I had a very bad feeling for what implications it could have for my WH Inquisition. Please don't let Matt Ward anywhere near whatever the new WH/SoB codex is going to be.

Evil Lamp 6 wrote:All I know is that when I actually got to look at C:GK, I had a very bad feeling for what implications it could have for my WH Inquisition. Please don't let Matt Ward anywhere near whatever the new WH/SoB codex is going to be.

I agree with this statement.

Phil Kelly's supposed to be the one doing WH/SoB so that bodes well.

Which makes me wonder if Ward's doing Codex: Deathwatch.

As long as he isn't secretly doing C:Tau, i'm happy.

Ward more likely is in the throes of screwing up the Empire army book by adding in dozens upon dozens of Witchhunters as units that set people on fire with mindbullets.

Necrons are rumoured to have failed their Ward-save

I think that's a good thing though. Necrons needed some over the topness

I like the idea of making a more fluffy codex that the Sisters would play a main role in. Make it The Church/Ecclsiarchy as the heart and the sisters the main force. Maybe even leave the inquistion to the Grey Knights and have the Sisters represent the Ecclisiarchy and introduce a new dynamic that plays with the church and it's influence. I loved the fluff of the new Dark Elders' 'dex.

Evil Lamp 6 wrote:All I know is that when I actually got to look at C:GK, I had a very bad feeling for what implications it could have for my WH Inquisition. Please don't let Matt Ward anywhere near whatever the new WH/SoB codex is going to be.

You don't like a codex that:

-Made Grey Knights into not a joke? (like they were in the previous codex)
-Made an Ordos Xenos army actually possible? (with right wargear and unique unit (Jokaero))
-Made pure Inquisition into not a joke? (Henchmen squads actually can fight now)

Really; its been overhyped the Grey Knight codex with people whining about fluff and balance issues (of which there isn't really any so far). Seriously; this is the best the Inquisition have ever had.

Whatever happens with the codex I can't wait to see new models for the sisters, were it not for the price tag I'd have an army already, instead of the few units I got cheap off fleabay. Though the mention of the special character with dual storm bolters sounds awesome

Kanluwen wrote:I think that's a good thing though. Necrons needed some over the topness

Their over-the-topness was why everyone hated them the first time. What the Necrons needed was an author who treats other armies and their background with respect.

Necron fluff is simple.

They show up somewhere, attempt to murder everybody, then vanish.

Sometimes they succeed, sometimes they fail. Sometimes near wierd gak on ancient worlds, sometimes in your backyard. But the mysterious coming and going and the omnicide should always hold true.

Mr Hyena wrote:
You don't like a codex that:

-Made Grey Knights into not a joke? (like they were in the previous codex)
-Made an Ordos Xenos army actually possible? (with right wargear and unique unit (Jokaero))
-Made pure Inquisition into not a joke? (Henchmen squads actually can fight now)

Really; its been overhyped the Grey Knight codex with people whining about fluff and balance issues (of which there isn't really any so far). Seriously; this is the best the Inquisition have ever had.

But but but, the internetz say the GKs are da brokenz and Ward is the devil, so it must be true!!1one!!

Sigh.

Melissia wrote:Oh come on, you got me all excited. And it's just some rumors from a dinky store manager.

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