Well with the SoB about a year or a little less away what are hopes, dreams, concerns, ect of the locals at dakka for the SoB plastics. Everyone including current sob players, to be sob players, modelers, converters and anyone thinking of using the new sob plastics in some way.
when through the Dakka recent new's and rumor thread on the SoB here - http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/357235.page - to try and dig up any of the rumors specifically dedicated to the plastics and did some looking up on my own as well.
Well turns out there wasn't any in the news and rumor thread so did some digging of my own and this is what I found.
I'm posting this in the rumor section on purpose, but it's more of a review.
I got to get a good look at a new protoype basic sister, and I'm hoping one of our other sources can sneak a picture out once they see it. The reason is, this sister has a "veil". Words cannot describe...the detailing is phenomenal. The veil is a separate piece, but it looks gorgeous. If they can get this right in molding the sisters wave will be beautiful models. If you've seen this one, you know what I mean... I begged to take a photo for here, but no luck.
The model maintains the existing armor styling, but with more filigree. Little details like lace boot tops, small details in the armor. Look at the evolution of daemonettes to wyches, and think what the next step would be.
The bolters however are now streamlined, they are not the marine bolter we've known and loved, but still recognizable. Feminine.
I know I'm getting folks worked up, but sisters are still a long way off, it will be a long wait. So temper any enthusiasm.
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I've had a chance to gather notes and thoughts a bit more now that I've completed my work today and had time to get a pint and a bite...
So to clarify a few bits.
The lace, is not laces, its lace around the top of the boot. at the knee. the model has like a pirate style boot and the lace is around the top edge..or thats my take away of what it was.
The bolter is still most certainly a bolter, but look at the existing line, the bolters are disproportioned...e specially the bolt pistols...to the models. the new ones are much more like the AoBRSM bolters. With straps, etc. and are separate pieces from arms. they "look" slighty thinner than a SM bolter and have a different shape to the over all gun, but they are not "Girly" i did not have a SM handy to compare directly, so it could just be impression. Also, they have abandoned the banana clip completely it seems.
the veil covered the whole head, its an alternate to the helmet, the face piece is just separate. think cobra commander vs vera wang wedding.
the torso has small details in the corset, i think skulls.
the tabard between the legs had flur de lis details.
there are "sleeves" similar to the image on 19 of the current WH book. similar, but not identical.
I'll reiterate this is a prototype though, not what has necessarily been approved. But as a beta stage model, i really like it, and I think a teaser of it would really build up excitement...hint hint GW overlords... Maybe wait til closer to release...
Overall when i see the current sisters their are very "bulky" these new ones are very graceful, but in a brutal way. the poses are much more dynamic and agressive. not everyone has their feet planted shoulder width apart torso straight on to their opponents....
I was told there will be numerous head options for the sisters, in the way theyve been doing all releases, but the "bob cut" is the preferred hairstyle.
I'm also told sisters repentia, priests, celestians, and seraphim will get new models with seraphim likely to adopt jump packs similar to the sanguinary guard...though I saw no evidence of this. No word on arco flaggelants.
Penitent engine is getting reworked as well.
And of course you saw my Jan rumor post. To provide a clue, Dominion squads.
Inq forces should all be updated by the GK release, so no news there for SoB, but they are expected to be present in the codex.
I also know of a few more "new" units that are being developed.
Cheers.
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A few sisters of battle Tidbits.
Some info about the sister’s codex coming out this fall:
The Sisters of Battle codex is taking a step away from the old codex’s focus on the Inquisition, and is now more of a codex focused on the Ecclesiarchy. The codex will represent the sisters much more truly to their roots in the fluff, and the non sister codex allies have been changed accordingly. More than many codexes’, the new Codex for sisters really feels like a brand new Codex.
Ok, so let’s start with the sisters themselves.
Redone in plastic, the sisters look great. While they won’t look out of place with the sisters of the past, they look much more like members of the church, though the over all look of the armor is very similar, if more ornate. The box set comes with enough plastic to make five sisters, but while we are only getting five girls per box, we are gaining a host of new options. The box contains bits to configure them as either regular sisters or Seraphim, and has tons of cool little extra bits to really make each unit unique. Gone are the Inquisition =I=’s, usually replaced with the fleur-de-lis. I counted eleven heads total, with five helmets, five without helmets and one with a gasmask / respirator type thing. Each of the eleven heads was a unique sculpt. The entire kit just really shows how far molds and model making has come since the days when our old sisters were cast, and while I would have been the first to scream heresy a year ago if you told me the sisters were changing, I have to say that the new ones really look fantastic.
I would like to take a moment to talk about their legs as well. I have always considered myself a modeler/painter first and a gamer second and one of the things that always bothered me about the old sisters were their legs. Like all metal miniatures, moding them was hard, and no sisters really had dynamic posses. The new legs have me really excited because they are very dynamic. I guess I would best compare them to the BA legs from their recent release. They really offer a lot of options in terms of modeling and are really one of the most exciting parts of the kit, in my opinion.
For weapon options the kit comes with a flamer, melt gun, storm bolter and pistol flamer as well as two guns I didn’t recognize including a weird rifle type thing and some gun that looked like a pistol from the 18th century with a torch bracket jammed on the end. There is a right and left handed version of both the pistol flamer and the other weird pistol. There were of course bolters / bolt pistols and both a power weapon and some chain swords. What I really liked about the weapons was their level of detail and individuality. Even though they are the same war gear a squad of space marines might field every piece of equipment screams sisters, and while easily recognizable is quite different from their marine counterparts. I want to say the weapons are smaller, but they might just be sleeker. One of the bolters comes with a strap.
The last thing I will mention about this new kit is that the jetpacks for the seraphim look much more like, well, like jet packs.
The Penitent engine is back in beautiful, mod-able plastic, and thankfully the remained true to its old design in many ways. It has four different options for its two close combat weapons, though I believe they are just aesthetics, and comes with parts to mount either flamer’s or melta’s under its arms. Looking at the kit, I believe its legs are possible similarly to the sentinels as it has a ball joint for its feet and little nubs / indents at the joint in its leg, which is very exciting since that will give us a lot more options when it comes to dynamic poses. Along with the weapons you also get several choices for drivers 3 icon badge things from the major sisters’ factions. A few other miscellaneous pieces like a scroll plate and such finish off the fun little extra bits.
The repressor is finally making an appearance in plastic as well. It looks similar to the FW one, but has the turret reworked and a different dozer blade. It comes with quite a few options to sister it up, from the same three icons I mentioned above, though slightly bigger, to numerous scrolls and of course options for sister doors. The driver has options for a helmeted head or a regular bobcat sister head with a little microphone thingy.
There is also a kit for a new priest, which I could best compare to the empire wizard kit. Fantasy players will know what I am talking about. There are numerous heads from the bald friar look to the crazy bearded look. Additionally we have options for plasma pistols, bolt pistols, and flamer pistols as well as a book arm and of course a gigantic chain sword. The model doesn’t have anything in the way of armor, though the chain sword looks almost big enough that he could hide behind it.
Well that’s all I have for you for now. Sorry I haven’t much in the way of rules, and that’s always the really exciting part, but I though some folks might like to know a little bit about the new models.
Well what are your hope for the sob plastics. I'm hoping they will be pretty good so I can use them for conversions easier. Although I do say from the rumors it sounds like they still have the boob armor.
I'm really leery about rumors at this point (especially when Stickmoney is involved), but all that seemed oddly specific and believable. I'd like for it to be true, and I'd surely get a priest if it was a plastic kit. I thought GW was out of the plastic HQ idea though, since apparently the Fantasy ones hadn't sold that well.
I'm hoping that sisters will be 10 per a box (and not 5 as per the rumor) sense from the witch hunters codex can't they have like 15 per a squad. that would be almost $100 for a full unit, and money wise the metal models would be cheaper at 10 for like $40 or how ever the box set was.
They were able to get 10 per a box for space wolves and you can technically make 5 different units from it. Gray hunters, blood claws, PA wolf guard, PA wolf lord, PA lone wolf just from the one box. Along with plenty of extra bits.
I just really want to see what I can to with them to convert them into scouts for my Fox themed SW army.
It aslo seems that they still have the boob armor, I was hoping that they might have more of a knight chest plate for the chest armor.
I'm assuming the sprues he's seen are just for 5 models, and, like the Space Wolves, will come 10 to a box. There's four full sprues in a Wolf box, I can only expect the same from Sisters, who are cheaper points-wise.
Indeed, points wise it would make sense for sisters to come 10 to a box.
also recently with the GK with only 5 to a box for the basic gk. Honestly I don't mind that because they are quite expensive points wise at around 25 or so pts per a model if I recall (in the old DH codex). Where as sister are less than half that at 11 pts in the WH codex.
I really want to see the excorsist model revamped. Don't get me wrong, I like the curent model. It's absolutly beautiful and really great for some kind of mobile shrine vehicle that boosts moral. To say the organ pipes fire missiles just seems kind of wardish to me.
As for the boob armor, there have been countless threads about wheather or not female models should have molded breast plates so I won't dwell on the subject. If it where female marines I'd say no molding. For battle sisters I think they need to keep it. For better or worse it's a fundamental part of their design. To change that would be like eldar without pointy helmets.
Automatically Appended Next Post: One thing that I do not want to see in the new codex is any kind of main battle tank type vehicle. I definetly want to see them get a tank that can't be killed by a multi laser, but a russ/predator/hammerhead/falcon tye of MBT just seems terribly out of place. Oh, and i don't want Matt Ward to even KNOW this codex is being written untill it's on store shelves.
I prefer a whirlwind or the FW varient to the current organ pipe excorsist. I just prefer the missile pod to the organ pipe.
I suppose by now the sisters boob armor has become iconic specifically for them. Fortunately there is green stuff and multiple other modeling clays to fix that .
Also from the recent DE models i believe we can trust GW to do a good job on the SoB faces. This gives me hope when i do conversions for my SW scouts and green stuff up some interesting hair styles for them other than the uniform bob cut hairstyle.
Also the new SoB kits might become the preferred kit for the Female SM conversations over the Wood Elf's from WHF. Specifically for the heads that is.
I'm also interested in the new bolter designs that they have for the sisters. It says that they are forgoing the 'banana clip', perhaps they are going with a straight clip or a box magazine?
c'mon pep'o Dakka chime it, don't let the entire thread be a conversation between me and Cannibal (and taking all the glory) we needs more dakka in here.
I'd expect to see a 10 sister box to cover most units from the codex possibly including Celestians but definitely covering Retributors and Dominions along with the troop squads. Iguess it depends on the various heavy and special weapon options for all the units. It coudl be successfully done like Grey Knighst were though with 5. It makes it easier to accumlate all the weapon choices. I figure we'll get a 5 girl Seraphim set along with a Repentia Set (unless they are retconned away or are given a different look). What would be awesome is to get a different Celestian boxed set of 5 with a totally blinged out armor (in my fandex version I call it blessed armor and its alot like terminator armor in protectiveness with a 2+/6+).
I expect we'll see a redo of the hybrid Exorcist kit into all plastic along with a Rhino/Immolator kit possibly throwing a Repressor kit. The codex needs at least one more armored vehicle to call its own which could possibly be mixed in with the Exorcist. My personal hope is to see a dropship or gunship like vehicle for their own flyer.
I'm really hoping it ends up being 10 sisters to a box, but I fear that the inclusion of the seraphim jet packs is going to be their justification for cutting it down to 5. Like assault marine vs tactical marine kits. If this is all true, then yeah, it'll probably be just as expensive to build a new army of them as it used to be...although at least it'll be cheaper than today's just about black-market prices.
This could open up interesting options though. Pure conjecture here, but if the jet packs are going to be that prevalent modelling-wise, I'm wondering if they're going to have some sort of HQ that allows taking seraphim as troops. Maybe even Celestine. It seems like that'd fit in both with her intended playstyle and GW's current codex design.
I think it will be a five sister box, but with the parts to make Dominion, Battle and Celestian Squads. I think Seraphim will get there own box of five, but they might make a new unit based off that box as well.
Tbh I'm not to bothered how they cut up the boxes though, just as long as they look as good if not better than the current range.
Going to see some sales in our house as well, Aurelia is planning a SoB army, shes wanted them for a long time.
While I am planning to pick up a few boxes to help bring a womans touch to my Slaanesh Warband the 'Vile Brood' in my CSM factions army. Mainly as the Vile Brood are currently looking the weakest in terms of model count.
Glad I hadn't done too much on them now, as it'll be worth the wait to go with a near 50-50 split gender wise through the units.
For weapon options the kit comes with a flamer, melt gun, storm bolter and pistol flamer as well as two guns I didn’t recognize including a weird rifle type thing and some gun that looked like a pistol from the 18th century with a torch bracket jammed on the end.
Flamer, meltagun, storm bolter, hand flamer, possibly a sniper rifle or bolt crossbow (similar to the current version or the version in retribution), and inferno pistol.
So can we expect to be able to have assault based sisters if standard sister squads can have a pair of ahnd flamers or inferno pistols? Would be neat, even fi it was just celestians.
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Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:I think it will be a five sister box, but with the parts to make Dominion, Battle and Celestian Squads. I think Seraphim will get there own box of five, but they might make a new unit based off that box as well.
I would hate to have to buy four boxes just to make one squad. That's IG levels of expenditure.
Aye, I'm just thinking from GW's standpoint, I can't see them doing five plus plastic releases, plus metals.
If the sisters do get a Codex this year (and I do hope they do) then they'll probably be looking at the Grey Knight, Tomb Kings level release, which was three/four plastic kits, plus maybe a couple metals.
We'd get far more than that, that's not even a fraction of a fifth edition codex.
For Sisters they're going to have to have a lot of different types of infantry based off of the battle sister or vehicles based off of imperial vehicles, or they're going to have a lot of new models.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:I think it will be a five sister box, but with the parts to make Dominion, Battle and Celestian Squads. I think Seraphim will get there own box of five, but they might make a new unit based off that box as well.
I would hate to have to buy four boxes just to make one squad. That's IG levels of expenditure.
Yeah but you will still buy a crap ton, melissa. You know you will.
Well I'm thinking on what they may or not replace intially. Odds are if they stay in the book, the following would stay with current models.
Celestine
Cannoness
Repentia
Inquisitorial allies
What I listed above covers pretty much the rest of the book.
So unless they add some more new stuff, which isn't gauranted to get 1st wave status anyways, look at Tyranids and even Dark Eldar, got a lot, but still have more due and talk is the Haemonculi faction aren't going to seen models in wave 2.
Then I can't see the need from them to do loads of boxes. I agree they'd be nice, but I am thinking we'll be seeing more combined boxes.
Aye, I agree with what you are saying in general Melissia, I am (oddly) trying to look at it from the GW position, so although I would love to see five or six plastic kits plus a fair load of metals like the Dark Eldar.
I suspect, and am suggesting due to that we will see three to four like the Grey Knights. I think its the 'cost' of releasing this many books in one year.
Hopefully if done well it won't be a problem, but, and this is the but, from GW's position, the combined boxes grants them justification in their eyes at least to charge a higher premium for the boxes. This is also another reason to why I am thinking it'll be the smaller ammount of boxes.
I will however happily dance around the room, if I am wrong.
So for vehicles, sisters need what? I assume that the Rhino chasis is one sprue, then just toss in another sprue for the flur de les, and immolators? Or perhaps they'd just sell an upgrade sprue for the Rhino chasis.
A plastic exorcist would be nice, if only because the metal models weigh in at two pounds a piece.
I'm guessing they'll just do a Immolater/Exorcist box to get rid of the metal/plastic kits that currently exist. I can see them leaving the Rhino as it is.
You either buy a Marine Rhino and use as is, or use marks from a Immolater/Exorcist box if you have spare. Or even just buy the new Imm/Ex box and use as a Rhino.
Ah, well technically yeah, I was just referring it that way due to huge size and lots of guns.
You are right though, regardless, something like that would add an interesting twist to the army.
I do hope they get something new, a personal thing would be a plastic Redemptionist/rabble (what ever they where called) box to represent Zealot followers of the faith.
And as weird as this sounds, I'd also like to see a form of psyker, a penitent psyker working for the ecclesiarchy, but preferably not one which is utterly insane from unreasonable amounts of punishment. Meh.
Sounds interesting, it would certainly add some flavour.
As to Stern, I wouldn't mind seeing her return, there is so little actual fluff/background of note on SoB anyways.
I know Chaos sisters was disliked by some folks, but lets be honest after Grey Knights came along and used sisters as a 'blood shield' I don't think that comes across as that bad anymore.
I would love to see a Stern figure only to see what kind of statistics GW would put on her given the current power level of some special characters out there, she might be very nasty.
Melissia wrote:I actually think having no chaos Sisters would be even MORE interesting after the GK debacle.
Chaos Sisters seem to always end up in some sort of Slaanesh-filled disater anyway. Khorne suits them better if I had to choose a ruinous power for them.
Telling wife, friends and family that sisters are likely coming out this fall.
Hopefully everyone gets the hint. My metal collection is pretty impressive, but would love the plastic models if only to make some interesting celestian models.
Militia would be a pretty awesome addition. Excuse my ignorance, but I lack the 2nd ed. codex. Are the frateris militia all that different from the witch hunter zealots that made it into White Dwarf?
As far as releasing the kits goes, it's sounding from the rumor like dual flamer pistols and inferno pistols are for the seraphim options, although opening those up for celestians would be pretty cool too.
I am a bit surprised that there's no mention of heavy weapons in there though. I suspect that they're trying to keep the size of the kit down to somewhat reasonable levels, but then where WILL the heavy weapons come from? Will they keep selling the old metal models separately, when they won't necessarily match the "new and improved" aesthetics? Or maybe design completely new metal/resin models?
Stern would be pretty cool.
Not exactly chaos, but I'd been throwing around ideas for a while for making a renegade sisters force who get sick of their whipping-boy status. I think this Grey Knights thing just clinches it for me. It's going to be vaguely inspired by Boudicca's rebellion, complete with a rioting band of ancient britons with a few IG weapon swaps. I was originally planning on painting them all up with woad too, but I think now I may just have to swap that over to blood.
Zefig wrote:Militia would be a pretty awesome addition. Excuse my ignorance, but I lack the 2nd ed. codex. Are the frateris militia all that different from the witch hunter zealots that made it into White Dwarf?
Frateris Militia has been reworked a bit in recent fluff, but basically they're just groups of faithful citizens armed with cheap weapons and lead by priests and other ecclesiarchal members.
Chaos Sisters seem to always end up in some sort of Slaanesh-filled disater anyway. Khorne suits them better if I had to choose a ruinous power for them.
I think Aurelia would sorta agree with you, but I've always found it amusing that she says women follow Tzeentch for 26/27 days of the month, and Khorne for four.
I think the claim that the Sisters will be only 5 per box is false. If it's not, I'll probably be quitting for good - the possibility of the Sisters getting a decent plastic kit is the only reason I came back to the hobby.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Here's a question for folks, would we want to see a Stern fig as a Special Character in the book?
Or is she ex-coomunicated, never to be remembered for what her comic did to the background.
She's a character from a bad comic, who is unlikely to work with other Sisters of Battle. I think they'd need to strip her backstory down to the bones and rebuild it before she'd be a positive addition to the codex.
I'm gonna go with what Brother SM said on the first page where the guy may have only seen 5 sisters on one sprew. Also Gameplay wise it would make no sense to have 5 sisters per a box where they are less than half of the point cost of a GK, even if the box can make multiple units.
The SW box can tecnicaly make about 5 diffrent units from that one box (Gray Hunters, Blood claws, Wolf Guard, Wolf Lord, and a Lone Wolf). And they come 10 to a box.
Indeed the lack of a heavy weapon dose have me slightly worried, but they may be keeping the metal heavy weapon sisters around for that purpose. Though we may be able to kitbash SM plastic deavistators for that.
Lonecoon wrote:So for vehicles, sisters need what?
Sisters have five vehicles total right now.
Four rhino-based vehicles, three of which are transports, and one walker.
Hopefully they give us more than this, because it is truly a pathetic amount of vehicles.
I was flipping through the Witch hunter Codex and saw the walker you were talking about. Seems a bit weak. Sisters really do get hosed when it comes to Vehicles, though the Exorcist is pretty awesome.
Lonecoon wrote:I was flipping through the Witch hunter Codex and saw the walker you were talking about. Seems a bit weak. Sisters really do get hosed when it comes to Vehicles, though the Exorcist is pretty awesome.
Which is why most lists have three exorcists and rarely have anything else in that slot unless they're trying that (IMO) rather uncompetitive immolator spam tactic.
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fox-light713 wrote:I'm gonna go with what Brother SM said on the first page where the guy may have only seen 5 sisters on one sprew.
Right. I know other plastics come with multiple sprues in a box, don't they?
Zefig wrote:
Does anyone know if the veils thing is still supposed to be happening?
Dun know, I wouldn't mind it though. The description dose state that there will be 5 helmeted, 5 unhelmeted, and 1 with a gas mask. Though I perefer just the hair for the sisters.
Another part that has me ad odds is how he described the "lace" on the model
"Little details like lace boot tops"
"The lace, is not laces, its lace around the top of the boot. at the knee. the model has like a pirate style boot and the lace is around the top edge..or thats my take away of what it was."
I think veils and lace would add nice bit of character and ornateness to the SOB, I'm all for it. TBH I think the current design isn't so bad, just not executed perfectly. I hope we something similar, but just...bettter I guess
The reason I figure there would be 10 in a box is because Sisters are flat out smaller than Marines. Their multiple options will likely take up less space on the sprue and in the box.
I don't think the Immolator will be redone, since it's the single plastic kit they have. I would guess plastic Sisters with all the aforementioned trimmings, plastic Penitent Engines or Exorcists (since GW is doing away with hybrids) and one extra new kit that we haven't seen before. If they released 3 kits and none of them were a brand new unit, I would be surprised.
More than likely, there's two sprues that are like what was described.
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Brother SRM wrote:The reason I figure there would be 10 in a box is because Sisters are flat out smaller than Marines. Their multiple options will likely take up less space on the sprue and in the box.
I don't think the Immolator will be redone, since it's the single plastic kit they have. I would guess plastic Sisters with all the aforementioned trimmings, plastic Penitent Engines or Exorcists (since GW is doing away with hybrids) and one extra new kit that we haven't seen before. If they released 3 kits and none of them were a brand new unit, I would be surprised.
I expect them to release several new units myself. Frateris Militia models which can also be used for Guard conscripts, for example, as well as a new tank, and possibly a heavy infantry variant if Sisters are to be given one.
The lace on the armor actually makes a lot of sense. While sometimes impractical, a sisters armor is not always for battle.
While they do fight the ecclesiarchy's wars, they also act as guardians for the shrines and temples found across the imperium and as such, they are a powerful symbol to anyone that looks at them.
By the way, where did you dig up that new avatar picture Melissia? I love the art and I am curious to see if the person who made it has more material.
Voldrak wrote:The lace on the armor actually makes a lot of sense. While sometimes impractical, a sisters armor is not always for battle.
While they do fight the ecclesiarchy's wars, they also act as guardians for the shrines and temples found across the imperium and as such, they are a powerful symbol to anyone that looks at them.
By the way, where did you dig up that new avatar picture Melissia? I love the art and I am curious to see if the person who made it has more material.
Auzzymo on deviantart.
Brother SRM wrote:A militia kit would make me the happiest boy alive. Any opportunity for more of the freaky gaggles to show their faces in this game is a good thing.
Indeed. It'd offer a very wide option for customization and using GW's other kits too.
I just hope we can get a leaked pic of the new sisters plastics soon I'm dieing to see the new stuff despite my concerns.
I'm still hoping for the sisters to be 10 to a box and not 5. Gameplay and point wise it wouldn't make much sense despite the fact it will come with a lot of extra bits. Points wise SoB are very cheap and would be best at 10 models per a box much like the SW box which came with a lot of options and could make several units.
I don't believe the regular SoB kit would come with jump packs, or I don't want to believe it. I'm not sure which. To make a seraphim, you need a jump pack, dual pistols, and hopefuly different poses for legs (as is customary for jump packers across the board). That's an extra pair of arms AND legs in addition to the jump pack. All you'd be missing is another torso and head to make a whole extra model, and at that point you might as well make it a seperate kit. Instead of seraphim bits on the spru I'd rather see some heavy weapons.
I really like the idea of lace on the models. I really want the sisters to have a more victorian look. The female inquisitor wearing sororitas armor is a good example of what it could look like.
As for the new tank, I don't think they could have a Reedemer, unless they retcon the fluff. The Emperor was supposed to have decreed that only smurfs get landraiders because there weren't enough resources to go around during the heresy. After he became handi-capable there was nobody with the authority to countermand the order, thus it stands to this day. Besides that I'd much eather see them get somthing unique. What about some kind of mobile shrine/tank? That's sort of what the excorcist is.
Five Sisters in a box is probably the way to go, for a few reasons. I expect the minimum size for Sisters squads will go down to 5 just every other codex with troop units except IG. All of the other types of squads have a squad size of 5. Those would be Retributors and Dominions and possibly Celestians. We should also expect 2 of every special and heavy weapon type just like in the Grey Knights sets. That would easily let them do all squad types. Now they could also charge 33$ each box too so they can make more money back.
As for other kits they actually need to produce a lot of them. For vehicles they need to replace the Exorcist since its crappy hyrbid kit. They coudl roll another vehicle into the Exorcist kit since the Sisters have woefully few vehicles. There is need of a Penitent Engine kit since that is another metal nightmare to put together. The aformentioned Seraphim and Repentia need to be done as well. If there is a 2nd troop unit they will need to make that. That woudl be at least 6 plastic kits that they need to make. Sisters need as much stuff as the Dark Eldar did maybe more ssuming they add any new units to the codex.
andrewm9 wrote:Five Sisters in a box is probably the way to go, for a few reasons. I expect the minimum size for Sisters squads will go down to 5 just every other codex with troop units except IG.
And Eldar (in the case of Guardians, who are intended to be the common troops even if they aren't very good at it), and Necrons, and Orks, and Tyranids (except for warriors and rippers, whom aren't the "common" troops), and Tau...
I doubt sisters will have their minimum reduced to five. More likely than not we'll just see two five sister sprues in a box.
One place they could painlessly save some space on the Battle Sister sprue would be treat the Heavy Flamer like an ordinary special weapon, rendering the Flamer obsolete.
IOW, a Battle Sister squad could take 2 Heavy Flamers, or a Dominion squad could take 4.
So, what do you think they should get for vehicles?
A Heavy tank would be a good start, obviously, but would you use a Rhino chassis, Leman Russ Chasis, or chimera? Rhino would keep it looking similar, but a Chimera chassis with the appropriate canon and rear piece would look pretty fierce.
As for the cannon, a Vindicator or a Demolisher cannon perhaps? The Nova canon could actually work fairly well for them, despite its limited use in IG armies. A Punisher cannon, with a little tweaking (36" range, str 5 Ap 6) would serve them well.
Granted, I'm not a SoB player, but I think moving the Penitant Engine to a fast attack slot and making a few other changes would help to make it a better choice.
A vehicle specficly for transporting arco flagelents would be another good choice, perhaps a rhino chassis with cage doors instead of the current hatches.
I'm just throwing out ideas here based on how I've seem SoB play and what I've garnered from reading the codex a few times.
andrewm9 wrote:Five Sisters in a box is probably the way to go, for a few reasons. I expect the minimum size for Sisters squads will go down to 5 just every other codex with troop units except IG.
And Eldar (in the case of Guardians, who are intended to be the common troops even if they aren't very good at it), and Necrons, and Orks, and Tyranids (except for warriors and rippers, whom aren't the "common" troops), and Tau...
I doubt sisters will have their minimum reduced to five. More likely than not we'll just see two five sister sprues in a box.
Perhaps I should have said Imperial troops as that is the common thread for the 'elite' armies of the Imperium. One of the big issues with 5 edition is MSU. Without being able to field smaller cheaper units for scoring it makes it harder to win games some times. Orks and Tyranids may be forced to field a minimum of 10 but their troop choices are far cheaper and probably will stay as such when Sisters get their their 5th ed codex. Necrons are an older codex and I bet they will go to 5 as well. At least thier troops are more durable than Sisters. Eldar would really be the odd man out so to speak but as their codex probably needs to be replaced, I expect they will drop minimum sqaud size also.
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Lonecoon wrote:So, what do you think they should get for vehicles?
A Heavy tank would be a good start, obviously, but would you use a Rhino chassis, Leman Russ Chasis, or chimera? Rhino would keep it looking similar, but a Chimera chassis with the appropriate canon and rear piece would look pretty fierce.
As for the cannon, a Vindicator or a Demolisher cannon perhaps? The Nova canon could actually work fairly well for them, despite its limited use in IG armies. A Punisher cannon, with a little tweaking (36" range, str 5 Ap 6) would serve them well.
Granted, I'm not a SoB player, but I think moving the Penitant Engine to a fast attack slot and making a few other changes would help to make it a better choice.
A vehicle specficly for transporting arco flagelents would be another good choice, perhaps a rhino chassis with cage doors instead of the current hatches.
I'm just throwing out ideas here based on how I've seem SoB play and what I've garnered from reading the codex a few times.
I'd rather not get strange weapons that don't fit into the Holy Trinity of melta, bolt, or flamer. I thought more like a heavy tank with a flamestorm cannon, a melta cannon, or some kind super bolter (along the lines of the Vulcan megabolter) and perhaps some additional weapons like some hurricane bolters. Hurricane bolters with blessed ammunition would rock. Failing that it would be great to have some vehicle with an assault ramp so I can deliver my foot canoness and her bodyguard to a target to destroy some people in assault.
A heavy tank doesn't really feel "right" for Sisters. It's not their style. I wouldn't expect them getting any tanks heavier than a Predator equivalent. Even then, they should stick to the Rhino chassis since that's always been theirs thematically. A chimera or Leman Russ would be out of place.
Brother SRM wrote:A heavy tank doesn't really feel "right" for Sisters. It's not their style. I wouldn't expect them getting any tanks heavier than a Predator equivalent. Even then, they should stick to the Rhino chassis since that's always been theirs thematically. A chimera or Leman Russ would be out of place.
They need something. If they don't get a heavy tank they would be the only Imperial Faction without access to an AV14 vehicle. I can't imagine the Ecclesiarchy letting that one slide by. Before you could sneak in a Land Raider if you fielded an Inquisitor. Since that probably isn't goign to happen in the next codex, soemthing shoudl occur. Remember the new 5the dition codexes are pushing the boundaries in terms of models and units. Each codex has had at least one brand new unit that that didn't exist before as a model. If Grey Knights and Blood Angels can get a new flying brick why can't Sisters get a new tank.
A heavy tank DOES feel right for Sisters. Why wouldn't it? Certainly they get involved in the nitty gritty of fighting more than Marines do.
They don't have drop pods or aircraft for fast insertion-- so they HAVE to get stuck in to the fighting the old fashioned way-- driving or walking.
Which means they need mobile fire support.
Which means they need tanks.
Sisters need something along the lines of twenty brand new units-- yes, TWENTY* units that have never existed before in a Sororitas army list-- to match the other fifth edition codices. You HAVE to create new units. Sisters are an Imperial army with a focus on close-ranged firepower, and heavy tanks are an excellent way to deliver close-ranged firepower and fit the Imperium to a tee (the Imperium loving its heavy tanks).
* C:SM is used as the basis for this claim, as it is pretty much the basis for all fifth edition codices and what all fo them are compared to. It has 33 units not including special characters (42 including them). Even including ecclesiarchal options, Sororitas have 12 units (14 if you count the palatine and priest as separate choices). Even including the Inquisition units (which probably aren't going to be in the codex), that still adds up to only around 16-18 units, meaning bare minimum you'll need to add in 15 new units.
If they get access to redeemer they really need a heavy power armor type (not terminator armor, just bigger, stronger power armor-- combat armor if you will, with more strength-enhancements and better protection than basic power armor) to put in it... or at least an assault unit which can ride into a transport... which they currently do not have.
Melissia wrote:If they get access to redeemer they really need a heavy power armor type (not terminator armor, just bigger, stronger power armor-- combat armor if you will, with more strength-enhancements and better protection than basic power armor) to put in it... or at least an assault unit which can ride into a transport... which they currently do not have.
Wouldn't the arco flagelants fulfill this roll? I mean, they're probably going to get an overhaul, so why not?
Melissia wrote:A heavy tank DOES feel right for Sisters. Why wouldn't it?
The only reason I really feel this way is because they haven't had access to any before. The Land Raider models, both the RT/2nd ed one and the more current one, released before the respective Sisters codices of their times. If GW wanted them to have them, they would have gotten them then. While I know you're not proposing a Land Raider, per se, there's no real precedent for one for the Sisters. If GW gave them one I wouldn't complain and it would fill a nice niche, but if they didn't get one I wouldn't feel like Sisters are at a distinct disadvantage.
Lonecoon wrote: Wouldn't the arco flagelants fulfill this roll? I mean, they're probably going to get an overhaul, so why not?
The new Arco-flagellants are worse than before with only a Feel No Pain save. They have T 3 and I 3. Its true their strength went up by 1 but they went down from T5 to T3 and lost the invuln save they had. With I 3 and no Furious Charge and a crappy save they really won't do much against other assualt units. Furthermore they lost their power weapons. At least they have 4 attacks :(
If Arco-flagellants are in they will likley copy the stats from Grey Knights which makes them sub par.
andrewm9 wrote:Five Sisters in a box is probably the way to go, for a few reasons. I expect the minimum size for Sisters squads will go down to 5 just every other codex with troop units except IG.
And Eldar (in the case of Guardians, who are intended to be the common troops even if they aren't very good at it), and Necrons, and Orks, and Tyranids (except for warriors and rippers, whom aren't the "common" troops), and Tau...
I doubt sisters will have their minimum reduced to five. More likely than not we'll just see two five sister sprues in a box.
Perhaps I should have said Imperial troops as that is the common thread for the 'elite' armies of the Imperium. One of the big issues with 5 edition is MSU. Without being able to field smaller cheaper units for scoring it makes it harder to win games some times. Orks and Tyranids may be forced to field a minimum of 10 but their troop choices are far cheaper and probably will stay as such when Sisters get their their 5th ed codex. Necrons are an older codex and I bet they will go to 5 as well. At least thier troops are more durable than Sisters. Eldar would really be the odd man out so to speak but as their codex probably needs to be replaced, I expect they will drop minimum sqaud size also.
I'd rather not with in the current C:WH a SoB squad size is 10-20 sisters and it would make no sense to have them come in a box of 5.
The only army that makes sense for is GK. Why, because game play and points wise GK are very expensive to field and come with very good base line equipment. At 25 pts each gray knight out of the box has a nemesis force weapon (which counts as a power weapon with +2 strength bonus), storm bolter, and power armor. Base a 5 man squad of GK's before the upgrades is 150pts before any upgrades.
GK stats - ws5 bs4 s4 t4 w1 i4 a1 ld8 sv3+
SM tack squad box comes with 10 marines, sure squad size is 5-10 plus the box comes with extra bits to upgrade the squad. At 15 pts each they come with a Bolter, bolt pistol, krak+frag grenades, power armor. 5 man squad is 90pts before any upgrades.
Sm tack stats - ws4 bs4 s4 t4 w1 i4 a1 ld8 sv3+
SW box set is a great example, why? because you can make 5 different squads out of it (Gray Hunters, Blood Claws, Wolf Guard, Wolf Lord, and Lone Wolf) and if your good at modeling and converting make that a total of 7 including the Rune preist, and Wolf preist. Yet they still come in a box of 10 with plenty of extras. Well lets look at their point cost and equipment of the basic Gray Hunter squad. 15pts each, Bolter, Bolt pistol, CC weapon, Krag+Frag grenades, power armor. 5 man squad is 75pts before any upgrades.
GH stats - ws4 bs4 s4 t4 w1 I4 a1 Ld8 sv3+
Then lastly lets look at the SoB squad with the minimum squad size of 10. 11pts each, Bolter, power armor. 110 pts before any upgrades.
SoB stats - ws3 bs4 s3 t3 w1 i3 a1 ld8 sv3+
Just from that little bit of information it would make no sense to have the new plastic SoB come in a box set of 5 nor would it make any sense to cut their min. squad size down to 5. The only reason why sisters get even remotely compared to space marines is because of the 3+ armor save. I can see the new plastic SoB kit being more like the SW box set and not the GK set.
Oh by the Throne, i hope this is right, as i've wanted to collect sister of battle since i started this hobby, but their limited pose expensive as feth models put me off.
I'm planning on building a Sisters of Silence counts-as SOB army. There are a lot of DE bits that will work for certain parts, but hopefully the SOB will provide me with the bits to complete the kit bash.
No matter what they do with the sisters, I am starting an army. Just has to be affordable!
I think the sisters should get something based on the repressor chassis. Its heavy, mean looking, and would be able to be refit for an MBT role with autocannons/lascanons, or a Baal predator role, with Infantry shredders. Also, plastic sisters, with options akin to the DC box.
They'd need to have bitz for sarissas then, or SOMETHING that lets Sisters enter close combat. As it is, the only real dedicated close combat unit Sisters have is... wait, they DON'T have one. Even seraphim are more used for repeatedly hit and run to tie enemies up than anything else.
Celestians SHOULD have been an assault unit but Graham McNeil didn't exactly do a very good job writing C:WH... making Celestians into a unit with close combat stats and abilities but shooting-oriented weaponry.
AlexHolker wrote:What would people think if this was the boxed set:
1 Sister Superior, 9 Battle Sisters
8 Bolters
1 Bolt Pistol, Inferno Pistol
1 CCW, Praesidium Protectiva, Brazier of Holy Fire
2 Heavy Flamers, 1 Meltagun, 1 Storm Bolter
1 Heavy Bolter, 1 Multi-Melta
1 Simulacrum Imperialis
That's 17 bodies worth of weapons, the same as the Wyches, and would let you build one Retributor squad for every Dominion or Battle Sister squad.
That woudl be terrible as I would have to buy multiple kits to produce 1 squad of 4 heavy bolters o rmultimeta's. Thats the point of a 5 girl kits. You coudl put 2 of every one in and buying two kits nets rounded options for all sqaud types. It works for Grey Knights who don't have a "devastator kit"
andrewm9 wrote:That woudl be terrible as I would have to buy multiple kits to produce 1 squad of 4 heavy bolters o rmultimeta's. Thats the point of a 5 girl kits. You coudl put 2 of every one in and buying two kits nets rounded options for all sqaud types. It works for Grey Knights who don't have a "devastator kit"
No, it doesn't work for Grey Knights, because it makes them the second most obscenely expensive basic troops choice in the game (4 pounds per model), second only to the current metal Sisters. You have to buy multiple kits anyway, so that you can build your compulsory troops choices - you can't build an army of just Retributors.
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