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Post by: Yggdrasil
Incoming: Storm of Magic Storm of Magic - when the eight winds howl...
The Winds of Magic are tumultuous. Drawn by Morrslieb, they are prone to rise from a strong gale into a howling tempest. And when they do no kingdom or realm is safe.
Monsters awaken from their slumber and are summoned from their lairs at the bidding of sorcerous masters. Armies assemble, ready to defend their borders or seize the opportunity to gain limitless power. It is in these desperate times tenuous pacts between wizards and creatures of darkness are sealed to create alliances never thought possible.
A time of doom and great deeds is at hand. Will you rise to meet the storm? Announcing the impending arrival of Storm of Magic, the latest and largest Expansion for Warhammer, the Game of Fantasy Battles. Launched in July 2011, Storm of Magic describes what happens when great eldritch maelstroms roil across the lands. Magic becomes far more powerful and there is a whole range of Cataclysm spells to cast, unleashing untold devastation on the enemy. Arcane Fulcrums burst from the ground, not only acting as loci for the swirling energies that pervade a battle fought amidst the Storm of Magic, but changing the way a Warhammer tabletop looks and interacts with your armies. With such things so crucial to your Storm of Magic games a new range of Warhammer scenery and Wizards will soon be released in time for you to wage cataclysmic battles.  Then there are the monsters. When the Winds of Magic blow with such strength, the fell creatures of the world gravitate towards the tempest, slithering from deep tunnels or emerging from mountain lairs. With the new Expansion allowing you to use so many different creatures there are a whole host of new monstrous plastic kits on their way. Citadel's queen of creatures, Trish Morrison, has spent the last few years in her own lair preparing for the new monsters to be unleashed upon the world and you can see two brief glimpses of what is to come below:   July is still a few months away; we are in the calm before the storm so now is the time to prepare. Bolster your forces, prepare your regiments and summon your wizards in time for the ultimate war. Keep checking White Dwarf and the website for updates, for when the storm hits nowhere will be safe!
Wow! Dragons, Chimeras, Lammasu maybe? All plastic? That'd be great!!!! link to the GW page
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Post by: yakface
Looks cool, but I guess that put the coffin in the 'summer of flyers' concept for 40K this year?
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Post by: Yggdrasil
Maybe they'll speed things up, and set up one event per game system?
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Post by: AlexHolker
Harry at Warseer thinks the two preview pics are a Black Dragon and a Manticore. If so, someone needs to teach Morrison how to sculpt scales, because that dragon looks furry or feathery.
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Post by: Lorna
Sounds awesome.
And Trish knows what she's doing, in which case, i doubt thats a dragon.
Maybe a chimera?
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Post by: Malika2
Great..the pictures won't load...
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Post by: Yggdrasil
Malika2 wrote:Great..the pictures won't load...
Added a link.
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Post by: dj narcosis
Awesome more big critters in plastic so are the pics a manticore & winged nightmare,and what are the chances of plastic hydras fingers crossed
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Post by: spiraleddie
The supposed dragon has two tusks/horns like a boars protuding, that doesnt look like a dragon to me
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
I really hope thats not the black Dragon, although extra magic users is interesting. Possible Mordheim fodder.
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Post by: Kroothawk
yakface wrote:Looks cool, but I guess that put the coffin in the 'summer of flyers' concept for 40K this year?
Actually no. This is the official confirmation of this rumour posted in December: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/335097.page
Most people thought from the beginning that it will be magic and monsters.
I still think the other one will come as well as a WD article plus models, just another month (August I guess).
And thank God that Magic in 8th edition "becomes far more powerful" (is that even possible?)
At least we get new monsters. 
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Post by: lord_blackfang
yakface wrote:
Looks cool, but I guess that put the coffin in the 'summer of flyers' concept for 40K this year?
I dunno, both of these critters probably have wings 
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Post by: Mr Mystery
ARSECAKES!
I would have to read this whilst outside wouldn't I.
Now, rather than merely scraping my trousers down off the ceiling, I'll have to shimmy up a tree in my scuddies to retrieve my breechs. How embarassing!
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Post by: spaceelf
Magic that is even more powerful. Bad idea. Couple that with monsters, who already suck, and you set yourself up for an expansion that will not sell the new shiny models.
I hope that they put stuff in the expansion to maintain the individual character of each army. These days the Fantasy armies all seem to be going in the same direction, fewer magic items, fewer special rules, lots of big monsters, and everybody plays lots of troops. Variety is the spice of life, and Fantasy ain't got none.
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Post by: LunaHound
I havnt played 8th edition yet but is it correct that i can field as many character as i want ( k mages ) aslong as it stays under the 25% allowance?
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Post by: Rinion
Urk, magic is already overpowered this edition, and too random. We don't really need MORE spells that can remove whole units....
Though, if it's for the apocalypse sized games maybe.
It could also be someting to fix magic in larger games in general. Playing with 10 levels of wizard is no good with 7 magic dice.
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Post by: kenshin620
Unless everything is going to cost 175-250, most of these monsters are going to be very large targets for these powerful spells. (I hope they wont buff purple sun!)
Imagine what lore of life would do!
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Post by: Lorna
I'm happy. At least until the new ogre realease.
Our magic is fun. We can kill ourselves so easily. It's nice.
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Post by: logg_frogg
yakface wrote:
Looks cool, but I guess that put the coffin in the 'summer of flyers' concept for 40K this year?
Foregoing a 40k expansion to do a Fantasy expansion wouldn't make much sense, if they follow current trends they will support both lines equally.
Lets hope they mirror something into the 40k Universe weather it be Flyers or something else!
I fear however you are correct and the trade off will come next year for 40k 
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Post by: Misguidance
I read this as an expansion for Warhammer, much like Apocolypse is for 40k? Am I reading it wrong?
If that is the case, then we can expect big monsters and massive magic boosts, but they would be part of Storm of Magic battles only- not stuff that most people would be using in normal fantasy battles.
Also, I don't think that's a dragon. My guess is that its two heads on a one chimera, or something like that.
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Post by: LunaHound
Im betting the 2 pics are from 1 same model , the Chimera
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Post by: giant stegadon
So this is like Storm of Chaos kinda I keep hearing about all the time? I guess that was a campaign & this is some sort of expansion though.
p.s. Dwarves, I hope you don't feel too left out.
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Post by: Bloodwin
I thought that the monsters would get an expansion they are fast becoming the fantasy version of 40k's tanks and other big vehicles. I hope Beastmen get some of their big beasties during this event. I expect to see some of the basic stuff from the big red books get released. It wold be interesting to see a plastic 'Warhammer' dragon as in the serpentine creatures of old, but then it'd also be cool to see a completely revamped style of dragon moire akin to the Caledor and Aenarion covers. Also I thought Trish was Trish Carden not Morrison, either way I will be happy to see some more of her work as she isn't afraid to do something different even if it makes some people cry (this is a game of chaos mutations not strict order). Warhammer's strength is in being different to 'standard' fantasy imagery and this will become even more important as The Hobbit and Smaug turn up in a couple of year's time.
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Post by: streamdragon
So... how much of this will apply to armies like Skaven and Orcs n Goblins? We already have models for our monsters, and we have our own lores of magic...
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Post by: Bloodwin
giant stegadon wrote:p.s. Dwarves, I hope you don't feel too left out.
I'm sure the Slayers will have a grand old time. Automatically Appended Next Post: streamdragon wrote:So... how much of this will apply to armies like Skaven and Orcs n Goblins? We already have models for our monsters, and we have our own lores of magic...
I think this event is to tide over everyone else going up against Skaven, Greenskins and Tomb Kings.
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Post by: scarletsquig
Heh, they've gone back and fixed Trish Carden's name in the article.
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Post by: Griever
Good, because magic wasn't quite powerful enough.
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Post by: oni
Just got the email myself. The long awaited 'apocalypse' for fantasy. Might this be what finally draws me into WFB? I guess time will tell.
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Post by: Murdock129
AlexHolker wrote:Harry at Warseer thinks the two preview pics are a Black Dragon and a Manticore. If so, someone needs to teach Morrison how to sculpt scales, because that dragon looks furry or feathery.
What it looks like is the dragon in the Harry Potter film, more like an ugly bird than a flying lizard, though I don't think it actually is a dragon, and if it's even something dragonish it looks closer to a wyvern
The other one looks interesting, it reminds me of an old vampire counts model
@Bloodwin, Ghorgon and Cygor will hopefully get models
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Post by: RandyMcStab
AlexHolker wrote:Harry at Warseer thinks the two preview pics are a Black Dragon and a Manticore. If so, someone needs to teach Morrison how to sculpt scales, because that dragon looks furry or feathery.
Fingers crossed for a Cockatrice!!!!!!11!!
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Post by: Kroothawk
Nice detail I overread the first time: New scenery in July! Hoping for the High Elf terrain from the army book (tower, building, columns, well) and hopefully not another human skull tower or chaos skull temple.
LunaHound wrote:I havnt played 8th edition yet but is it correct that i can field as many character as i want ( k mages ) aslong as it stays under the 25% allowance?
25% commanders PLUS 25% heroes, so up to 50% for mages!
BTW Warhammer has no need for apocalypse as the FOC is unrestricted and allows for games of large sizes already.
This is a magic supplement, not a big game supplement.
giant stegadon wrote:p.s. Dwarves, I hope you don't feel too left out.
What do the dwarfs get? Target practice for their cannons
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Post by: Mattlov
I'm sure the dwarves will get giant bears or something.
THUNDERDWARF CAVALRY!
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Post by: JimLofa
I'm hoping we see something unique as far as creatures go. Right now there are just a few archetypes for monsters and some monster diversity would be cool.
As far as magic goes... I'm not necessarily a fan of the system as it is right now. The main reason for this is because magic does not scale with game size. With little exception, a player has the same number of dice in a 500pt game as he does in a 5000 point game. If the magic system is getting redone or added on to, I hope that we will see some rule that balances points with magic.
Just my thoughts
-Jim
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Post by: march10k
Kroothawk wrote:25% commanders PLUS 25% heroes, so up to 50% for mages!
Yes...but your winds of magic dice don't scale. What are you going to do with one die per mage? 1-2 mages is the practical limit, and that's really only to ensure that your randomly generated spells include something useful (I laugh when I face a single L2 mage and he gets pure junk for spells) The real boon of 50% characters is putting a fighty hero in each regiment to boost LD (and damage output, but that's secondary) in low- LD armies.
As for monsters, I want EVERYTHING in plastic:
Basilisk, Griffon, Chimera, Hydra, Lamia, Phoenix, Manticore, Roc, Dragon, Wyvern, you name it, churn out the plastics!!!! (I'll still only field 1-2 per army, max, and zero for my empire forces, but I want to paint them all)
same number of dice in a 500pt game as he does in a 5000 point game
Hmmm...if GW sees folly in that, it'll be for economic reasons...being limited to 2D6 plus channeling (and a hard limit of 12) is really a disincentive to play larger games...which would require more models, generating sales for GW. The renewed emphasis on large blocks of troops sells models, but the magic system is a drag on sales...
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Post by: Acardia
Agreed. 3k is the most that is able to play with the magic currently. I generally run 2 mages in almost all my lists. My doc list has a unit of horrors as well, so technically 3. If there were ways to get around the hard 12 cap it would be adventagous to take more mages. but getting off more than 3 spells a turn is tricky.
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Post by: Lorna
I only ever run one mage, if a slaughtermaster can be called that.
So it's never a worry. But once i run a bigger list, it's two which isn't bad for me. But it's not exactly good overall.
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Post by: Ragnar4
march10k wrote:
Hmmm...if GW sees folly in that, it'll be for economic reasons...being limited to 2D6 plus channeling (and a hard limit of 12) is really a disincentive to play larger games...which would require more models, generating sales for GW. The renewed emphasis on large blocks of troops sells models, but the magic system is a drag on sales...
I see it the other way around. Since 1 spell can wreck your day at 2k, it drives the want for a larger game within a controlled environment. That same 1 spell can still be frustrating at 2999, but mitigateable, and manageable. With as powerful as magic really is in this edition.... Magic doesn't become unuseable until 4,500-5k. Then the system needs to be re-scaled, we found that by adding an additional d6 per 1500 points past 3k seemed about right.
4500 was roll 4d6, opponent gets highest 2d6.
6k was roll 5d6, opponent gets highest 2d6+d3
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Post by: CURNOW
Well this is trish's dragon in resin and as the two pics shown don't match it in style at all in guessing that those are something new ....
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/358096.page
Last pic
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Post by: JimLofa
4500 was roll 4d6, opponent gets highest 2d6.
6k was roll 5d6, opponent gets highest 2d6+d3
7500 was roll 6d6 opponent gets highest 3d6, so on, and so forth.
I like it. I have always though about adding magic items that would allow a boosted magic phase. Something expensive, so generals have to take lord level wizards to field them. I have to say though, that I like a straight increase in the number of dice even better.
-Jim
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Post by: shinzuer
I'll say manticore and the blue thing is something for the Lizardmen. The Slann better be tops of the new magic scene.
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Post by: agnosto
Yeah, an expansion and dwarfs and ogres will be left out; I'm sure. Ogre magic's mostly buffs and we have models for all our "monsters" and Dwarfs don't use either unless they have some uber-rune.
Just like with that 40k expansiion last Summer that just focused on IG, I guess my money's safe this Summer too.
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Post by: Avatar 720
There'd better be a Coatl, it's too cool not to have model and rules for.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
yakface wrote:Looks cool, but I guess that put the coffin in the 'summer of flyers' concept for 40K this year?
That is exactly what I was thinking as soon as I read my email from GW a few minutes ago. Unless by "fliers" people meant dragons, demons and griffins (or daemons and gryphonnes in the alternate GW spellings) and the like, Summer Of Fliers would appear to be a bust.
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Post by: Flashman
Pic on the right looks like a Cockatrice. I am suitably intrigued, but my armies are fairly small scale and Warhammer Apocalypse is a bit beyond my small playing circle. Automatically Appended Next Post: In fact reading it back, the table effects sound more like Warhammer Planetstrike. Yay plastic Monsters though 
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Post by: Misguidance
I reckon dwarves will get some big machinery to match the monsters. I'm anticipating some kind of massive flying battleship affair, or maybe something similar to the Anvil of Dooooom, but bigger, and more powerful.
No idea for Ogres. They are not an army I am familiar with so I don't want to speculate.
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Post by: Platuan4th
BrassScorpion wrote:yakface wrote:Looks cool, but I guess that put the coffin in the 'summer of flyers' concept for 40K this year?
That is exactly what I was thinking as soon as I read my email from GW a few minutes ago. Unless by "fliers" people meant dragons, demons and griffins (or daemons and gryphonnes in the alternate GW spellings) and the like, Summer Of Fliers would appear to be a bust.
Or, it could be happening a month or 2 afterwards. That's the thing about the stupid way GW hypes things.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
I hope this expansion is supported longer than something like Storm Of Chaos or Eye Of Terror. In the "old days" of 2004 and before such expansions were never supported more than a couple years and then all the projects hobbyists may have done relative to those expansions were rendered obsolete as far as Warhammer game rules were concerned. Fortunately, Apocalypse, Cities of Death, etc. seem to be something GW wants to see remain part of their core system long-term, but that's a relatively new concept for the now roughly 30-year old company.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Anyone played WaR? Theres a big blinkin Cannon in the Dwarf starting area. I can see it now, kills Monsters stone dead in a single shot, wipes out half a Horde unit in a single bounce.
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Post by: Acardia
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Anyone played WaR? Theres a big blinkin Cannon in the Dwarf starting area. I can see it now, kills Monsters stone dead in a single shot, wipes out half a Horde unit in a single bounce.
Yeah that sucker is huge. That would be pretty awesome.
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Post by: iproxtaco
It really depends on which monsters they release, although it likely wont be more than five. The only armies I can see having a problem with Monsters are Tomb Kings and Dwarves, the rest I can see using beasts in some form. They'd have to have either plastic Slayers or some amazing Explosive Axe Cannon Ballistae Flamer Volley Mortar Catapult. Tomb Kings will need their Bone Giant or some equally undead monster.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
The only armies I can see having a problem with Monsters are Tomb Kings and Dwarves
??? Tomb Kings is already getting a kit that makes two different gigantic monsters.
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Post by: iproxtaco
BrassScorpion wrote:The only armies I can see having a problem with Monsters are Tomb Kings and Dwarves
??? Tomb Kings is already getting a kit that makes two different gigantic monsters.
Hence why they have a problem with Monsters, although I should have put that in.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Hence why they have a problem with Monsters
I don't see where there's a problem. They are getting a monster kit in May, some other armies are getting them this summer. Some already have them. No problem. And no more news for a while obviously. Bye to this thread.
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Post by: JHall
This isn't a Summer Campaign, this is an Expansion. This is going to be more like Planetstrike and Cities of Death than Storm of Chaos or Lustria. It is the new approach to things with the core games. They don't want to do those themed campaigns anymore that are just good for a summer. The goal now is to have actual supplements that are long lasting when people want to play variant games.
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Post by: Boss Salvage
Dibs on not having to play 'Storm of Magic' - magic is the single biggest problem with 8th, and I for one would less of it, not more.
Big plastic monster kits is cool by me though
- Salvage
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Post by: lasgunpacker
Hurray! More things for Warhammer that I do not want more of. (magic and giant beasts)
We need to have the "summer of re-released rank-and-file". That would be a great summer.
New Terrain does sound good though, and I would like to see new monsters, even if they do let Trish sculpt them.
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Post by: TBD
I like how they call it summer of magic, but we mostly seem to get monsters.
Just call it summer of monsters then
Hopefully the terrain will be usable for everyone & 40K too.
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Post by: dj narcosis
Tomb kings shouldn't have any trouble with monsters the necrosphinx is there to take care of them
It has heroic killing blow
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Post by: Goliath
I don't play fantasy, but I'm looking forwards to this for the monsters 
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Post by: Flashman
dj narcosis wrote:Tomb kings shouldn't have any trouble with monsters the necrosphinx is there to take care of them
Indeedy, it has Heroic Killing Blow and according to the Rob Cruddace interview on the GW website, was designed to be the ultimate monster killer (Flashman sighs and packs away his freshly painted Abomination).
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Post by: iproxtaco
BrassScorpion wrote:Hence why they have a problem with Monsters
I don't see where there's a problem. They are getting a monster kit in May, some other armies are getting them this summer. Some already have them. No problem. And no more news for a while obviously. Bye to this thread.
What I meant was that they have no point in having Monsters. Ogres could easily use enslave Monsters like they did with the Giant, Empire can use them because of their Menagerie zoo thing (cant remember what its called). Dwarves and Tomb Kings have no context to use Monsters, adding the fact that TKs are getting a brand new amazing two in one Monster kit on May gives them even less reason. Unless you undeadify the Monsters then there is no reason.
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Post by: Kanluwen
TBD wrote:I like how they call it summer of magic, but we mostly seem to get monsters.
Because most of the monsters we're seeing released are related to the Transformation spell
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Post by: Misguidance
TBD wrote:I like how they call it summer of magic, but we mostly seem to get monsters.
Just call it summer of monsters then .
In Warhammer, high levels of magic are needed for large numbers of monsters to spawn. You can't have one without the other.
Also, pictures of big monsters look pretty cool, and appear to be a good way to pry open people's wallets.
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Post by: Eldar Own
That sounds pretty damn awesome! Can't wait! Lands near my birthday too, so i'm not going to have to splash out for some of the monster kits!
I guess the top picture could be a dragon, or chimera. If it weren't for the purple face on the bottom one i'd say it was some sort of giant white lion for the HE.
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Post by: JOHIRA
Misguidance wrote:Also, pictures of big monsters look pretty cool, and appear to be a good way to pry open people's wallets.
This. GW wouldn't have need for an expansion if it didn't come with something for us to buy.
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Post by: march10k
iproxtaco wrote:undeadify the Monsters
Oooh! Oooh! Zombie Cockatrice!!!!
Lol...nah...doesn't work.
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Post by: Worglock
Manticore and Chimera
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Post by: Kroothawk
Some nice confirmations by Harry over at Warseer:
Rosstifer wrote:I wonder if it will be more generic monsters that anyone can take as opposed to race specific monsters, like back in the day.
This is a good bet.
Nocculum wrote:Any rumination as to whom the wizards will be?
Many and varied
jme wrote:Wonder if this will be the first time we'll see the new resin models? (for the new wizards).
Also wonder if the new monsters will have riders.
I think we will see some resin.
I wonder if there will be options on the sprues?
stahly wrote:Or nothing?
Usually we see 3 to 4 plastic kits for each release, Dark Eldar had 6 but that was a big push. From the teasers we got a plastic Black Dragon, a Manticore and from the Beastmen rumor thread there might be something for them as well. Add some terrain kits and there are plenty of plastic models for a month.
I'd guess the rest are several metal/resin wizards for various races, but don't expect too much, Harry said before that this release isn't as big as that every army would get something.
I did ... But quite a few will.
It was just when Bram first mentioned this he made it sound like all armies got new kits ... and in a way he was right.
Haravikk wrote:I'm interested by the mention of new scenery though in particular, I love scenery, but I'm hoping it'll be magic buildings/towers etc. for other races, as Empire is pretty well covered at the moment. Some more normal terrain would be nice but the expansion doesn't look like it'll be geared for that.
It sounded to me like it was generic bits of warhammer goodness bursting up from the ground rather than race specific buildings for any army
Paull wrote:as far as the pics go, i think what we've got is a manticore and something else, i can't imagine it being a dragon as it looks like it has feathers / fur rather than scales.
Feathers you say... I had heard something about a Cockatrice a while back
Portentous wrote:It IS a plastic Warhammer Dragon. Can build diff varieties just like the Giant.
The other is the plastic Manticore / Chimera.
The other monstrous release will no doubt be the Beastmen Cygor/Ghorgon that Harry has confirmed has been waiting for release for ages.
Manticore/Chimera kit you say? I did hear something about a Chimera.
I don't think it was me that said anything about a Cygor/Ghorgon ... did I?
Grimmeth wrote:Does that DE_Dragon pic mean we might finally get a new Malekith sculpt?
Oh my... Dusting of my Druchii just in case though!
I did hear something about Malekith.
But that may be unrelated. 
I have to say the next Dark Elf book is going to look pretty tasty with all these monster kits waiting in the wings.
I think this is great fun.
Great to see Fantasy getting some serious attention with a big expansion like this.
Great to see some more big kits.
Great to see some more terrain
Eventually all armies will have something big in plastic. (Look at the last few armies) BUT this way no one has to wait. We can all get stuck in.
BRING IT ON!
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Post by: kenshin620
Interesting, generic monsters sound cool
But generic fantasy buildings=empire buildings from what we have usually gotten though. The old walled fortress they had back then doesnt match well for TK or Orcs
Have no idea why they mention a dark elf book, they just got one! 
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Post by: juraigamer
Why hello there warhammer fantasy apocalypse...
Because now it seems I need even more cheap dirty little rats...
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Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle
RandyMcStab wrote:
Fingers crossed for a Cockatrice!!!!!!11!!
It will possibly be one of GW's Cock up tricks
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Post by: Kroothawk
kenshin620 wrote:Have no idea why they mention a dark elf book, they just got one!
Several Dark Elf plastic kits are ready and waiting for a 2nd wave release slot, a.o. Malekith on Black Dragon, Dark Riders and the new Chariot.
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Post by: Deathwolf
My guess for the picture on the left is the Horned Dragon that a spellcaster using the Transformation of Kadon spell can turn into.
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Post by: Portaljacker
TBD wrote:I like how they call it summer of magic, but we mostly seem to get monsters.
Just call it summer of monsters then
Hopefully the terrain will be usable for everyone & 40K too.
Well most monsters are magical in nature or creation. Just saying.
I'm interested in the terrain as I've wanted to get some stuff to use for 40k but also useable for fantasy. Though a lot of fantasy stuff can be used for 40k if you ignore how weak a stone fortress is in that universe.
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Post by: LunaHound
Kroothawk wrote:kenshin620 wrote:Have no idea why they mention a dark elf book, they just got one!
Several Dark Elf plastic kits are ready and waiting for a 2nd wave release slot, a.o. Malekith on Black Dragon, Dark Riders and the new Chariot.
Too many factions i like are out simultaneously , i cant choose!
Any general date for Dark Elves? I have been waiting to start some
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Post by: AlexHolker
lasgunpacker wrote:We need to have the "summer of re-released rank-and-file". That would be a great summer.
My thoughts exactly. A third of the armies could do with new plastic infantry that doesn't look horrible.
Kroothawk wrote:Several Dark Elf plastic kits are ready and waiting for a 2nd wave release slot, a.o. Malekith on Black Dragon, Dark Riders and the new Chariot.
No Witch Elves?
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Post by: Kroothawk
AlexHolker wrote:No Witch Elves?
Possible, but I don't remember anyone has seen the models and talked about it.
But Avatars of War seems to release some scantly clad female elf warriors with two swords soon
Second wave is waiting for a release slot, but I haven't heard of a date yet. And their army book is still quite new.
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Post by: Cannerus_The_Unbearable
If these are generic summoning rules, I'm a little intrigued
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Post by: Worglock
AlexHolker wrote:lasgunpacker wrote:We need to have the "summer of re-released rank-and-file". That would be a great summer.
My thoughts exactly. A third of the armies could do with new plastic infantry that doesn't look horrible.
Kroothawk wrote:Several Dark Elf plastic kits are ready and waiting for a 2nd wave release slot, a.o. Malekith on Black Dragon, Dark Riders and the new Chariot.
No Witch Elves?
No Witch Elves, Shades, Executioners or Black Guard.
Just be a good lad and go buy more Space Marines.
Pish, wanting non-marine models.
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Post by: Mr Mystery
See those pics?
Now, I'm not exactly up on my magic lore, but surely there must be some kind of gribbly monster that can literally be summoned, perhaps some kind of you know...elementals or something?
One would be icy, one could be firey, one could be windy (but hopefullly not farty) and so on.
And hey, those pics do look slightly icy in paint scheme, and one is certainly firey lookin....
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Post by: reds8n
Mr Mystery wrote:
Now, I'm not exactly up on my magic lore, but surely there must be some kind of gribbly monster that can literally be summoned, ?
Or perhaps turned into [/Manimal]
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Post by: kenshin620
Mr Mystery wrote:See those pics?
Now, I'm not exactly up on my magic lore, but surely there must be some kind of gribbly monster that can literally be summoned, perhaps some kind of you know...elementals or something?
One would be icy, one could be firey, one could be windy (but hopefullly not farty) and so on.
And hey, those pics do look slightly icy in paint scheme, and one is certainly firey lookin....
It would be cool to see giant sized versions of the old elementals (well of course redesigned and detailed)
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Post by: Alpharius
Kind of like how Rackham did it, back in the day, for Confrontation?
FIRE
EARTH
WATER
AIR
I do miss Rackham...
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Post by: Kroothawk
Well, they shouldn't have fired their creative staff. BTW where is Rick Priestley
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Post by: d-usa
Alpharius wrote:Kind of like how Rackham did it, back in the day, for Confrontation?
FIRE
EARTH
WATER
AIR
I do miss Rackham...
CAPTAIN PLANET!
Sorry, I just could not help myself...
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Post by: Lokirfellheart
A plastic universal dragon kit would be nice, as dragons are quite widely used and the High Elf Dragon just looks a bit...Weird.
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Post by: FlammingGaunt
I'm hoping for a coatl or a thunder lizard. what do you mean my dinosaur the size of a city is overpowered?
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Post by: Leggy
If they did elementals/summons/mystical constructs, I'd much prefer them based off the existing magic lores, rather than shoehorn the 4 elements into the lores somehow (fire would be easy, but not so much water). How cool could giant-sized elementals of light or life or shadow look?
Purely wishlisting speculation though. As you were.
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Post by: Worglock
Leggy wrote:If they did elementals/summons/mystical constructs, I'd much prefer them based off the existing magic lores, rather than shoehorn the 4 elements into the lores somehow (fire would be easy, but not so much water). How cool could giant-sized elementals of light or life or shadow look?
Purely wishlisting speculation though. As you were.
They had a Death Elemental way back when. It was a Grim Reaper.
They also had an Angel of Light or somesuch.
Easy-Peezy-GeeDubsie.
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Post by: AlexHolker
Leggy wrote:How cool could giant-sized elementals of light or life or shadow look?
If this happened, I'd rather see a variety of shapes and sizes. Heaven would obviously get something big like a flying Storm Elemental, but something like Fire or Metal could just as easily have a regiment of Flame-kin or clockwork troops.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Perhaps a return of the giant snail for the Bretonnians?
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Post by: Kroothawk
A small tidbit by an unknown rumour poster called undeadgoblin over at Warseer:
There's a total of 4 large monsters to be released ( 2 of which are dragons - one dark elf 1 chaos I'm assuming ) including the previewed ones in the GW article.
It is essentially WFB Apocalypse - you need at least 3000 points aside, there will be "assets" and formations etc.
A primary reason for it being made is so the Warhammer Forge stuff can be used in games.
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Post by: kenshin620
Interesting, this means updated Chaos Mammoth rules? Although imo it seems "smaller" than apocalypse since in Apoc they had dozens of units to put in since FW had so much imperial armor stuff. WOnder how broken some of the assets are
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Post by: Kroothawk
Minor rumour update from a new rumour poster over at Warseer:
Information from a friend with an advance copy of the ruleset:
- Magic Re-adjusted "alot"
- 9th type of magic
-No level 5 wizards - Tomb King only thing
- releases spread out over a few months.
(...)
Re-adjusted for storm of magic only , as the 2d6 doesn't work well in large games. Additionally, UK Games Day is very good for WHFB this year.
(...)
I haven't seen it yet, although I may soon, possibly get a game for it during the next few weeks. The Fantasy thing at GD is designed around SoM, so I assume it is final.
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Post by: Platuan4th
-No level 5 wizards - Tomb King only thing
I miss when Tzeentch had a Lvl 5 Caster...
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Post by: Bloodwin
I hope that all 4 kits they release are dual purpose, ie two creatures from one kit, an example would be how a manticore and chimera both have the body of a lion. Like others I'd love to see the appropriate creatures for the transformation of Kadon. I am curious about the terrain, I'd like to see a dual purpose river/road set which would be banks either side of a lightly textured base that could be painted to represent either terrain. I'd also like a pond/lake swamp that would be impassable but not block line of sight. Another idea would be a graveyard sprue with a small-ish mausoleum, walls and various tombstones.
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Post by: -Loki-
It'll be all fun and games until someone brings an Emperor Fire Dragon.
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Post by: Boss Salvage
I am thrilled to hear that this is being treated like WHFB: APOC. Because then I can ignore it.
(While enjoying some big cool monster kits, of course!)
- Salvage 
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Post by: reds8n
back of this months WD.
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Post by: filbert
Which WD is that? I got my copy a few days ago (June edition I think) and I don't remember seeing this...
I'm confuzled...
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Post by: Dez
Is this supplement actually going to be a White Dwarf release?
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Post by: RiTides
That's my question, too- is it a separate book (more likely, right?) or something coming in WD?
Very interested... also wondering what the price will be if it is a book, and when some models would be released for it (same day, June 25? or is that just the WD release date... color me confused...).
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Post by: reds8n
AFAIK it's a proper deadtree/book release.
Oh, thanks to Mr. Pincho160 of Warseer for the above snap.
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Post by: Alpharius
I think I saw a rumor somewhere that there was going to be a Lamassu in it!
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Post by: Kroothawk
Manticore, not Lamassu
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Well, I guess they could include two heads in the kit and then you could turn your manticore into a lamassu...
wait...WHAT!
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Post by: Yggdrasil
MeanGreenStompa wrote:Well, I guess they could include two heads in the kit and then you could turn your manticore into a lamassu...
wait...WHAT!
* GW lawyers coming in*
I see what you did there... Sarcasm!!!
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Post by: Kroothawk
Some updates:
frgt/10 wrote:its a full expansion, with a book
no one's even bothered to mention the new vampire counts beastie yet either
venomblood wrote:Ok may I mention a new monster in two lil questions?
Is it resin? (fingers crossed for plastic)
Is it possible to use new beast in the generic undead army?
nope, plastic
yes. well at least one part of it to my knowledge...
Harry wrote:75hastings69 wrote:there's more
Not if your dead.
Or do you mean 'the former dragon' ? 
El Antiguo Guardián wrote:There are new miniatures for Necromances (not sure), and a flying monster (undead one), possibly an Abbysal TERROR (WELL, IT´S AN ABBYSAL TERROR!) But i don´t know if it have a rider.
CSE wrote:it does.....
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Post by: kenshin620
An abyssal terror model? Finally!
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Post by: Thrax
Sure as hell hope it doesn't look like the steaming pile of gak in the books.
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Post by: Waaagh_Gonads
This has zero interest for me and I love WHFB.
The 2nd wave for an existing army later in the year is much more exciting.
Giddy-up!
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Post by: Sidstyler
I might take interest in WHF if they halve the price of the core rulebook and army books. I refused to spend $80 on a rulebook, seriously, feth that noise.
I guess a manticore or black dragon for my Dark Elves would be cool...but honestly I'm more interested in my core troops not being butt-ugly. Speaking of which DE never did get a second wave...
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Post by: Kroothawk
You can always get the starter box rules book on ebay for cheap, but then again the big hardcover is quite an inspiring book with 30 pages more of scenarios and another 70 to makes your own (incl. campaign planning). But then again, Fantasy is not cheap, esp. not with the new and higher standard for army size.
Dark Elf second wave seems done for quite a while and is just waiting for a release slot. Don't know if it comes this year.
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Post by: Sidstyler
That army size thing is another reason why I said to hell with it. And I know it's going to happen with 40k when 6th edition comes out, and I'll probably have to quit 40k because of it, too.
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Post by: Waaagh_Gonads
Kroothawk wrote:You can always get the starter box rules book on ebay for cheap, but then again the big hardcover is quite an inspiring book with 30 pages more of scenarios and another 70 to makes your own (incl. campaign planning). But then again, Fantasy is not cheap, esp. not with the new and higher standard for army size.
Dark Elf second wave seems done for quite a while and is just waiting for a release slot. Don't know if it comes this year.
I don't know if Dark Elves are coming, but another 'evil' race is getting a second wave.
Due to GW's rumour clampdown I'll have to wait a bit longer before revealing more to protect my sources at GW.
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Post by: -Loki-
There's also some rumours that Vampire Counts might be getting something else.
Frgt/10 wrote:there are some vc monsters coming for SoC
something old and something new...
Plural on monsters, so the Abyssal Terror might not be the only one. A new Zombie dragon?
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Post by: TBD
So, if this is considered WHF's Apocalypse, are some of these monsters going to be Stompa/Baneblade sized/priced?
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Post by: Nagashek
IMO the old ZD is just fine. Now, lower its cost so i can actually field it in games under 75k pts...
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Post by: RiTides
Interesting... looking forward to more info coming out soon. I'd like to know the price of the book...
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Post by: Leggy
Waaagh_Gonads wrote:Kroothawk wrote:You can always get the starter box rules book on ebay for cheap, but then again the big hardcover is quite an inspiring book with 30 pages more of scenarios and another 70 to makes your own (incl. campaign planning). But then again, Fantasy is not cheap, esp. not with the new and higher standard for army size.
Dark Elf second wave seems done for quite a while and is just waiting for a release slot. Don't know if it comes this year.
I don't know if Dark Elves are coming, but another 'evil' race is getting a second wave.
Due to GW's rumour clampdown I'll have to wait a bit longer before revealing more to protect my sources at GW.
Can I guess either Beastmen or Warriors of Chaos? The beasts are missing a lot of monsters, and the warriors still lack a rumoured plastic chariot that 's supposedly been waiting for release for years.
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Post by: Kroothawk
75hastings69 wrote:there is indeed a new de sorceress
(...)There is indeed a cygor/gorgon kit coming, but not afaik for storm of magic.
Eldargal wrote:I do know there is an Everqueen sculpt ready (from two sources within GW), but no one seems to know if/when it is going to be released. It may be with SoM, it may be with the next HE army book or they may decide not to bother.
and
Gabacho Mk.II wrote:WE are exactly one year away.
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Post by: kenshin620
A Cygor? Interesting but it'll be hard to beat BaneBeast in terms of quality methinks (although gw's would probably be cheaper)
Everqueen is that elf with the maiden guard right? Does that mean she'll get her own rules?
WE are exactly a year away? As in Summer of 2012? That'd be cool I suppose
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Post by: Kroothawk
75hastings69 wrote:I just want to point out to any that have misunderstood, there aren't any large VC specific releases for SoM, these are later this year as part of a wave of VC minis. There's also a wave of Beastman minis, and then of course Oct-OGRE not a bad year for Fantasy IMO.
Oh and the dark coloured face from the teaser that people are saying is the black dragon or the abyssal terror I think you'll find is simply one of the Chimera heads (check out the tusk things coming out from the corners of the mouth - now look at the orangey type lion(ish) head it has them too - hint )
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Post by: redbristles
Man I really want to see some pics of the new models, I'd love me some new Dark Elf monsters! Perhaps GW marketing is doing a better job of controlling leaks now they've changed all their policies?
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Post by: Kroothawk
Frgt/19 wrote:75hastings69 wrote:I just want to point out to any that have misunderstood, there aren't any large VC specific releases for SoM, these are later this year as part of a wave of VC minis.
interesting, this differs from what I heard.
things could have changed i guess (or i just got bad info )(...)
black boxes no longer exist. June was the last one (from what i was told)
Erazmus_M_Wattle wrote:Plastic kits, as I have heard it. The manticore and dragons come with multiple rider options. Awesome.
75hastings69 wrote:2 of the new plastic kits come with lord & sorcerer rider options
Scelerat wrote:If this means a plastic DE Sorceress I'm gonna have a heart attack.
ready the defib someone!!
Now the major update:
BramGaunt wrote:Oh, now that everybody posts, I might as well spill my guts.. I intended to wait another week, but ah, swell...
Storm of Magic will be a full-colour hardcover book, about half the thikness of the Core Rulebook, and at the price of, well, apoximatly one Leman Russ Battletank.
It's due for release the second saturday of July. Previews start the saturday befor.
There will be a multitude of kits and gimmicks to acompany them.
Plastic Boxed Sets are:
Chaos Lord on Manticore
Dark Elven Lord on Black Dragon
Both Kits are the same price as a similar High Elven Ridden Monster.
The saddle, Rider and (in case of the Dragon) the armour are completly optional.
There is also a Kit labeled
Chimaera
and one labeled
Cockatrice
which are the same price as a 10 man Space Marines Squad.
There are also some Clampack releases:
Chaos Supreme Sorcerer
Supreme Sorcerer of Tzeentch
Vampirecounts Necromancer
Dark Elven High Sorceress
I don't know what these are made of. Since they are clampacked I guessed Finecast, but the price of, ah, well, lets say it in GBP: It's a one-digit-point-something Price lable.
Quiet affordable if it was finecast, but since hasitings said plastic sorceres... well... do the math.
Of course there is a whole bunch of playthings and gimmics aswell, like Vortex Templates (Like the Dark Eldar Wayportal template, only bigger), Dice, Battle Magic Cards (which apearently come in a cool box of sime Lost Arc style... with skulls of course...) and Focus Points (4 different ones).
Which brings us to rules.
Storm of Magic is for any Warhammer Fantasy Battle Army. It supports you with a alternative of Deployment, Magic and Army composition rules.
Game mechanics
While you place terrain, you deploy Magil Focus points. Think of these as landmarks inhibited with strong magics, like towers, magical stairs, Columns of Fire, or what ever. Each army starts with a designated number of Focus points, it depends of the scale of the game. 1 per army per 1000 points is, what I was told, suggested in the book.
You may place 1 Wizard including a mount on top of the Focus point, and one guarding unit within a limited space - enough to place about 30 standard base-sized miniatures, I was told. The rest of your army is deployed as usual.
The game is all about dominating these points, which grant great boni to your wizard while he stands atop of them. The Magic Phase is strongly buffed with 4D6 Power dice. In addition, you determine the ascending wind of magic at the beginning of each magic phase. (It's done randomly by some sort of tool, don't ask me what it is, I don't know, but apperantly it's not a dice.) Army book Lores are associated with Army book rules, for example if the Lore of Light is the Ascendand Lore this turn, High Magic is Ascended aswell (I don't know if High Lore is really associated with Lore of Light - it's simply a example of my understanding of the mechanics).
The Ascended magic gains a +4 bonus on attempts to cast their spells. You cannot change the Ascendend in any way, though it's determined new in every magic phase.
There is also a bunch of new spells which appearently give you the possibility not only to summon Monsters loke the Cockatrice, but also whole units from other armies. I personally didn't by this one. It was a long evening with a LOT of beer.
Take all of this with salt. And enjoy.
75hastings69 wrote:Plastic MOUNTED sorceress, the foot one is finecast
A mastercrafterd post good sir, with only to my knowledge 2 exclusions....
1. Arcane fulcrum scenery piece (a ruined floor with a magical vortex - of plastic - swirling upwards which you can place your wizard on top of.
2. The "garden of morr" scenery piece, basically a new fantasy graveyard - although I'm not 100% sure that this won't be held back until the VC wave later in the year.
Erazmus_M_Wattle wrote:Take this with the usual salt. I heard that the black dragon comes with a lord, a sorceress and a witch elf. Sounds odd but interesting.
BramGaunt wrote:CME wrote:Just to point out one of the new "scenery pieces" is an cool undead graveyard
Ah, no. At least not for the initial wave... Or it's not a designated SoM release. It's not in my books anyway. There is no scenery at all, since I count the focus points as needed. while scenery is optional. There are four different Focus points, though, maybe you meant them. One's a throne, one's a gate, one's a stairway and ones a... magic-thingy-column. They come two for a space marine tac squad.
Poncho160 wrote:Any confirmation on whether this will be an expansion ala planetstrike or Apocalypse or and actual extension to the rules you can use anytime?
It's like Apocalypse. In many ways.
Tuatha Dar wrote:Or it could be meant to represent Crone Hellebron, and he mistook the Dragon for the Manticore.
The sets are labeled Chaos Lord on Manticore, and Dark Elf Highborn on Black Dragon. I don't think there are additional riders. It might be possible that the other Sorcerers to be released are compatible with the kits, though.
Zaonite wrote:Maybe it's a part of the SoM rules that Wizards can be given a mount not listed in their army book?
And I extend my thanks to BramGaunt for the awesome rumours. Now, I need to put a cockatrice on advance order... when I get it, it shall be painted golden yellow...
That is a possibility, but as far as I know, Army books stay untouched. Imagine the confusion you could create with a Slan on a Black Dragon. (...)
Well, thanks for all the positive feedback, everyone. About the scenery: I am unaware of these. It might just be that they were not on the same list, as they are scenery, and therefor unscheduled for it or to be released a little while later. Therefor sorry at CSE for correcting him, this scenery might have passed out of my LOS (Or maybe the fact that I drooled over the Manticore...)
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Post by: kenshin620
No more black boxes?
Incoming nerd rage
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Post by: Wulfe Luer
Big critters? Lots of maginuke? Time to dig out the square bases!
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Post by: timetowaste85
Despite our earlier rage at price increases, these don't seem too bad. $37 for a big ugly monster (cockatrice/ chimera)? I'm okay with that. Also okay with the new finecast sorcerer minis coming in in the $15-$17 range (based on single digit pounds/euros comment above-I don't have the actual numbers, this is a GUESS). Maybe my semi-local retailer was right about new finecast minis being more appropriate for cost and only the ones that made the transition from metal being more expensive. Maybe this is a good thing
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Post by: Kirasu
Such paranoia from GW over "leaks" is so sad.. As if hype doesnt add to their coffers.. Ah well
Sounds like a cool expansion I guess, I dont see the point in promoting monsters when youre also promoting war machines and magic which kill them in 1 hit
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Post by: Dysartes
On the upside, nothing for Dwarves means not having to spend anything.
On the downside, nothing for Dwarves :(
And how come only the EVILLE races are getting releases with this?
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Post by: redbristles
Oh wow, finally a new DE dragon! Damn and I said I wasn't going to buy any more models until I'd finished painting what I have, guess that's out the window (yet again)!
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Post by: DarkStarSabre
All I say is thank anything you want that I get my full bonus this year
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Post by: Kroothawk
Dysartes wrote:On the upside, nothing for Dwarves means not having to spend anything.
On the downside, nothing for Dwarves :(
Magic? Dwarfs are resistant (and get new dispells AFAIK).
Monsters? Tagret practice.
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Post by: lunarman
Ack, nothing for my wood elves save more powerful magic....
I want to win games with arrows not magic!
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Post by: nectarprime
No Orc stuff :/
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Post by: Infreak
I'm interested to see the manticore. I've been interested in getting one, but have been putting it off for a while. I hope it'll look better then the current DE one. If not I'll probably end up picking up the kit Mantic has.
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Post by: damiensabin
Dysartes wrote:On the upside, nothing for Dwarves means not having to spend anything.
On the downside, nothing for Dwarves :(
And how come only the EVILLE races are getting releases with this?
Because good is dumb!
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Post by: Platuan4th
lunarman wrote:I want to win games with arrows not magic!
Then you're playing the wrong game.
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Post by: Nagashek
Of my three armies:
Dwarves are getting nothing, as they don't cast spells, and giving them buffs to dispells isn't new models or dwarfy terrain (they should make a zepplin kit and add pts to it. We'd all buy one)
DE are getting TONS, and I'll have to decide what to buy, but my DE, despite being my most succsessful army, are also my least painted. I suppose I will have to fix that now...
VC are getting a bit also, but I'm willing to bet that it won't be enough to counter the hard issues that VC are having this edition, and won't quite be enough to resurrect my interest in the army. Too bad, too, as it's my first (from 6th ed) and most characterful (I spent WAY too much time modelling undead).
Well, we will see if there is much use to buying this book.
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Post by: nectarprime
The dragon's tail is.... meh.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Liking the monsters other than the Manticore. REALLY love the Cockatrice.
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Post by: Acardia
Wowzers
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Platuan4th wrote:Liking the monsters other than the Manticore. REALLY love the Cockatrice.
Seconded---the Cockatrice is the winner of the bunch.
The tornado with skulls made me chuckle.
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Post by: Thrax
Like the new DE sorceress on foot, near the bottom middle of the top photo. Think the one on the dragon is a big husky tho, torso doesn't seem thin/long enough. Could be the angle though. Dragon looks rather nice.
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Post by: midget_overlord
Love that dragon!
It's head fits perfecty with the hydra heads, but I'm not sold on the riders, but too many cold one riders will fix that.
The cockatrice is a beauty, well done Trish!
Manticore and chimera need more pics, but the chimera's paws don't look great from this angle.
Other companies make better manticores, so I'm not worried.
The wizards all look great to far! There are at least 3 on foot that I can see, probably more elsewhere in the issue.
Pics are fun, why does GW hate this? Probably someone will get fred for this, but I'm really glad we have some pics to drool over. Guess they want to get better WD sales.
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Post by: kenshin620
What? A basilisk/cockatrice that combines both snake AND chicken aspect? Finally! Looks pretty cool
Dragon certainly is interesting, I like how its similar to the hydra
Manticore is ok but I'll probably spend my money on Raging Heroes
Chimera looks kinda silly, like a yugioh card
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Post by: Guildsman
I have to agree, the manticore looks silly, as does the cockatrice. It has a third talons on the end of its tail! The dragon, however, is awesome, as is the wizard on the bottom of the right page, first picture. Is that the sorcerer of Tzeentch that was mentioned earlier?
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Post by: Ouroborus
Black dragon looks bad
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Post by: DasFluspferd
........... Im digging the cockatrice and the manticore looking creature.. the dragon is disappointing to say the least.
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Post by: Kanluwen
nectarprime wrote:
The dragon's tail is.... meh.
The dragon's tail may be meh, but the new plastic Highborn/Malekith on there is win.
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Post by: Sidstyler
The dragon's face is kinda weird-looking...like the hydra's but with about a billion more teeth.
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Post by: Ouroborus
Ancestor runes are confirmed! Yuuusssssss.
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Post by: JOHIRA
nectarprime wrote:
Let's start in the corner and go counter-clockwise!
11:00- Ooh, a dragon! My it's limbs are spindly. I guess that's okay, it's like the High el- ... OH GOD THE HEAD!
10:00 Ooh, a chaos star floating on a wind pillar. Okay I guess. I hope no one bumps the table while my carefully converted wizard is balanced on it.
10:30 (center) Chimera! Aside from the peculiar dragon wattle, I suppose not bad. No where near as good as the Banebeast Chimera, but I assume this won't cost $100. Then again, with price rises....
6:00 Some characters! I don't really care.
5:00 A cockatrice! I can't think of anything negative to say about this. A genuinely decent model from start to finish, and I quite like the goose-bumpy skin texture.
3:00 A manticore. OH DEAR.
2:00 A throne. If I played Vampire counts I'd be really excited about this. Since I don't, I'm not.
1:00 Some kind of pedestal tower thing. From what little we can see it's not bad, but the gargoyles are just odd. I guess the warping powers of the nightmare realm can make anything possible, but I'd hope the ruinous powers can conjure something a bit more impressive than impractical architecture.
12:00 (center) Another manticore. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!
--------------------------------------------
If this is the best GW's monster department can put together, I think it's pretty likely that rumoured Cygor kit won't be prying my wallet open.
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Post by: Sidstyler
"Oh my god, what's wrong with your faaaace?!"
It's hard for me to judge the manticore really, but from what little I can see of it...oh dear. The pose looks terrible and I dare say that the metal one was much better posed...despite being anorexic and uglier than sin.
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Post by: Ouroborus
Honestly they could have done a lot better. Look at what some of the smaller miniature companies are putting out.
They're not bad, they're good, but I was at least expecting better looking dragons that didn't have a goofy looking head.
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Post by: LunaHound
No love for plastic zombie dragon :"<
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Post by: JOHIRA
I can't shake the feeling that the black dragon is yawning at the entire battlefield.
ONCE SEEN IT CANNOT BE UNSEEN!
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Post by: Kroothawk
The four Magic Focus Points, sold in pairs on 9th July (also notice pic of Dark Elf Sorceress), all posted by M'ichal over at Warseer:
The other gubbins like templates, dice and cards (including "ancestral runes"!) in a deluxe box, sold the same day:
Bigger pic of the monsters( Ridden Monsters 40€, Single Monsters 30€, Heroes on foot 10,50€) :
Just for completeness, here the confirmation of the Vampire second wave in August, featuring a "new Vampiric Monster":
Fun fact by BramGaunt:
White Dwarf Release will change a little bit.
The plan is that noone gets their WD any time ahead of the release date. For prescriptions that means that there is a likelyhood that they will get theirs AFTER the actual release. No more early scans and peaks.
Funny thing is that was to avoid this stuff here to happen. Nice to see how that worked out. Nice pics, M
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Post by: Sidstyler
Well the new DE sorceress looks better than the other one...glad to see the dragon has two head options because I'm not a fan of that one.
I didn't think it was possible, but honestly? I think the new manticore is worse. Seriously, that's what I was waiting for this whole time? I hate everything about it.
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Post by: finnan
why does the Cockatrice have a foot on the end of its tail?
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Post by: Earthbeard
I quite like all the monsters, even the manticore. Though I could've done with out the burning skulls and wind skulls.
I'm actually excited for the release, rather than filled with diabolic dreadfire portal dread of magic further ruining the game.
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Post by: Sidstyler
why does the Cockatrice have a foot on the end of its tail?
...no idea...
I quite like all the monsters, even the manticore.
Do you mind if I ask why? lol
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Post by: Alpharius
Sid - message received!
The Chimera is the one I was most looking forward to, but that 'dragon' head on it seems... wrong.
Does it have a goiter?
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Post by: warspawned
In a sense I'm glad as it'll make it easier to get models for Warhammer Quest. I don't play 8th Ed fantasy currently but I quite like the Cockatrice ( IMO it's the best there) but the Manticore's look static, for some reason I just heard "I WANTS SWEETS!" and the Chimera looks like it's got head shaped tumors instead of actual 'free' heads? I quite like the scenery though, shame they couldn't find more room for some skulls
It is funny how they think their work is top secret though, yet we still manage to get sneak peaks like this
Seriously though, idiots 
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Post by: Red_Zeke
I really like the cockatrice. That Dark Elf sorceress standing on the Dreadfire portal is pretty great too, and this is coming from someone who hates Dark Elves.
Not surprised on Ancestor Runes. Dwarfs had to get something, and that was the obvious route. I'm guessing one will let them "control" monsters to get in on that action too...
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Post by: redbristles
Wow, that Dragon is simply amazing, looks like I'll get one of them and a Manticore for my DE, hoping to make the Lord and Sorceress mounts interchangeable on the two beasties, hope it can be easily done. So long June's pay-cheque!
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Post by: kenshin620
Hmm I wonder what the alt head for the dragon is
I am sad though that theres no Magic Focus Point that fits HE or Lizardmen style
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Post by: Dysartes
Just a point, but if you're going to swipe images from Warseer, it's considered polite to rehost them (whilst indicating the original credit), so as not to steal their bandwidth - especially when Dakka has it's own Gallery.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Alpharius wrote:The Chimera is the one I was most looking forward to, but that 'dragon' head on it seems... wrong.
If you look closer, the dragon's head mirrors the Hydra's head, so give the army's monsters a unified look.
But read the describtion in the scan for the number of options you get with the kit.
And finally a GW terrain piece without a skull ... wait 
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Post by: Boss Salvage
Citadel's queen of creatures, Trish Morrison, has spent the last few years in her own lair preparing for the new monsters to be unleashed upon the world ...
I didn't expect much when I heard Morrison was behind these critters, and these pics just confirm my suspicions. The cockatrice is the best of the bunch (but WTF?! at hand on the end of its tail), and I suppose I like the chaos star on pillar of fire / wind on principle. The vortexes are nifty too. Really though, I continue to look forward to not doing anything with Storm of Magic  At least it looks like DE and WoC get some new characters, which is groovy. EDIT - Just noticed the chaos heroes riding those manticores. Plastic mounted lord models, that's kinda neat, just a pity that they come with an expensive, fuggly monster between their legs - Salvage
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Post by: kenshin620
Is the cockatrice a being of chaos? That could explain the tail claw I suppose
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Post by: finnan
... I guess the Cocktrice could be used as a Quetzalcoatle-ish addition to a Lizardman army? (once you get rid of the weird third hand...)
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Post by: Buttlerthepug
I just don't know how to feel about all this. I will really have to wait till I can see the models/rules to decide I guess.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Boss Salvage wrote:I didn't expect much when I heard Morrison was behind these critters, and these pics just confirm my suspicions. The cockatrice is the best of the bunch (but WTF?! at hand on the end of its tail), and I suppose I like the chaos star on pillar of fire / wind on principle. The vortexes are nifty too.
Sad but true. Many of these new monsters look extremely cartoonish, like kids toys.
The giant skulls throne is totally ridiculous.
Boss Salvage wrote:
Really though, I continue to look forward to not doing anything with Storm of Magic
At least it looks like DE and WoC get some new characters, which is groovy.
EDIT - Just noticed the chaos heroes riding those manticores. Plastic mounted lord models, that's kinda neat, just a pity that they come with an expensive, fuggly monster between their legs
- Salvage
I'm very keen on the new sorceress for the dark elves, I'm fairly certain she'll be succumbing to Slaanesh before too long. Perhaps then some good will come of this with some new character models.
As to the mounted chaos lords, the bits companies are going to be your friend there.
ALSO, did anyone else note the manticore wings having a scorpion-like claw...? Seems it's ok for GW to send Raging Heroes a C&D about their lammasu head, yet here are GW stealing a design straight from Raging Heroes.
Cheeky bastards... Hope they have a C&D in the mail soon.
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Post by: odinfellhammer
Everything looks great, but by the time my armies get a new released, I'll have a new book. ( I play Dwarves, Wood elves and Deamons).
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Post by: Da Boss
Not impressed. Maelstrom will be getting my monster money.
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Post by: His Master's Voice
I feel the cartoony, toy look is mostly due to bad paint jobs. I could maybe accept bright colors on a Cockatrice, but a Manticore with an orange mane just looks silly not matter how good/bad the actual sculpt is.
I might get the dragon as it's body looks very well done. Chimera is meh and Manticore would require way to much fixing for me to consider it. It's better to just convert the griffin mount from the last starter box.
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Post by: Alpharius
Kroothawk wrote:Alpharius wrote:The Chimera is the one I was most looking forward to, but that 'dragon' head on it seems... wrong.
If you look closer, the dragon's head mirrors the Hydra's head, so give the army's monsters a unified look.
But read the describtion in the scan for the number of options you get with the kit.
And finally a GW terrain piece without a skull ... wait
What description where?
Help me out here!
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Post by: scarletsquig
Courtesy of Warseer, the 4 new plastic characters.
Yes, that's proper "plastic" plastic, NOT finecast garbage.
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Post by: Mr Proudhoof
They are plastic!! Awesome! I really like them.
And @Alpharius it says there are two heads for the dragon, 5 mount heads for the sorceress.
The text is bottom left on the dragon page.
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Post by: Murdock129
The Cockatrice and Dragon are both good but not that excited about anything else
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Post by: kenshin620
Necromancer is pretty cool, he might even pass off as a vampire
Too bad Dwarves dont get a plastic Runelord or something. Heck a lot of other factions could use a new model (ogres for instance)
His Master's Voice wrote:I feel the cartoony, toy look is mostly due to bad paint jobs.
Maybe, this could be another case of Beastmen Minotaurs
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Brian Nelson brings the cool.
Those magic users are all cool, the tzeentch lord is far better front on.
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And anyone wanting a good looking manticore, remember Raging Heroes are producing a fine looking monster.
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Post by: TBD
I have to admit this plastic in blisters came right out of nowhere. GW putting singles plastic figures in blisters??
Not that it is not very good news though, because "finecast" would have been no sale for me.
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Post by: Kroothawk
According to BramGaunt, dice will be 8€ and cards 10 € but limited as usual.
And always good to repeat it: Those 4 sorcerers are plastic (clear plastic?), not Finecast. This is a first for singles in blisters.
And according to WD, the Cockatrice is Finecast, all other monsters and terrain plastic as well.
Boss Salvage wrote: Plastic mounted lord models, that's kinda neat, just a pity that they come with an expensive, fuggly monster between their legs
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Post by: DarkStarSabre
And suddenly my spending for next month is...
Storm of Magic.
Dark Elf Dragon
Sorceress on foot.
Which means I'll have models for both a Sorceress and a Dreadlord on Dragon - that I can field at the same time.
(And as an amusing fact - one dragon dates from 2011 and the other from 1987.)
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Post by: Bloodwin
I like the scenery items and the plastice characters are a very interesting development (I'd be very interested in the price of those compared to Finecast). Sad to say I don't like any of the monsters. The leverl of detail on the Cockatrice looks out of place and the other three just look bad and this is speaking as a fan of the minotaurs and Razogore models. The Dark Elf dragon is on a par with the High Elf one as in they are both eyesores. I hope they release some of the classic Trish 'serpent' dragons in Finecast as they look much better than these.
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Post by: Da Boss
Trish Morrison is definitely my least favourite GW sculptor. (Now that Gary Morely isn't sculpting as much, of course)
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Da Boss wrote:Trish Morrison is definitely my least favourite GW sculptor. (Now that Gary Morely isn't sculpting as much, of course)
Interesting that they should call Morrison 'Queen of Creatures' just as they called Morley 'Elfmaster' and both, whilst having good sculpts to their name, seem to be bad at the very things GW has appointed them to.
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Post by: Earthbeard
I quite like all the monsters, even the manticore.
Do you mind if I ask why? lol
I like the manticores head and wings, but the pose is a little iffy I'll grant you.
Plus from the looks of it, new chaos characters come with it which is always a bonus.
I'd prefer the cockatrice more if it was smaller, but's the old grognard in me speaking rather than anything else.
Edit - I think the problem the Manticore has, is it really does look like it's been sculpted more as a biped, than a quadraped, you can see it the most around the gut, hind legs, far too bipedal.
I looked at the area, for ease of nurglifying, rather than some deranged furry groin shots
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Post by: nectarprime
One of the pictures shows O&G summoning a Cockatrice, is it possible that every army will be able to summon monsters?
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Post by: Thrax
Would be cool if they released some heftier warmachines for the Dwarfs. Would only make sense since there's gonna be a lot of heftier magic and monsters running around. New runes are cool, but newer models/toys are always nicer.
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Would be nice to see a dwarf bombard cannon, the equivalent of the dwarf BFG, or maybe some kind of dwarven super shotgun squad, just some more dakka of sorts.
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Maybe new munitions for the dwarf cannons, like cluster bombs, etc.
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Post by: Dice Monkey
I see Trish is still pressing her giant conical tongue fetish on us. Jesus, I never thought I would see something worse than her Dieter Helsnicht on Baboonacore it toke her 20 years but she managed to top herself.
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Post by: Ouroborus
All I care about is Ancestor Runes.
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Post by: Thrax
That dark elf lord on the dragon is clearly supposed to be used for Malekith. Looks just like him, just updated some. I love it.
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Post by: Acardia
With plastic single blisters I think the question is now. What determines material used for kits this point forward. I think that most people prefer plastic. I don't mind metal or FC,(once QC issues are fixed)
Secondly I think the Tzeentch lord is so well done, that it could easily be a Herald of Tzeentchh as well except for the fact mine is usually my BSB.
So looks like book, magic cards, dice, my new herald, not sure on any of the monsters. kinda like them all. I may get the dragon and put my high elf prince on it.
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Post by: scarletsquig
MeanGreenStompa wrote:Da Boss wrote:Trish Morrison is definitely my least favourite GW sculptor. (Now that Gary Morely isn't sculpting as much, of course)
Interesting that they should call Morrison 'Queen of Creatures' just as they called Morley 'Elfmaster' and both, whilst having good sculpts to their name, seem to be bad at the very things GW has appointed them to.
Gary Morley has sculpted a number of Elves for Mantic Games.
Enough said...
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Post by: The Fragile Breath
Gah, first I was starting Fantasy, then not, now that I was thinking about joining again (I'm interested in Dark Elves) I hear rumors of Dark Elf second wave and see these...
Sigh, sign me up.
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Post by: Sidstyler
...wait, what? The sorceress and other characters are plastic?
So what does that mean, that they made a tiny plastic sprue of a single-posed character with a handful of components like the metal/Finecast models? That's interesting I guess, certainly a product I would be way more confident in buying than the Finecast crap, but I thought the reason they couldn't do that is because of how ridiculously expensive the injection molds were and that they couldn't ever sell enough of the individual models to recoup the cost? Or is this more like the plastic that PP use for their jacks and stuff? And if it is then why aren't they doing that for Finecast, I would have loved plastic incubi, it would have been so much cooler than the flawed crap I paid for.
Or are they going to be doing everything in plastic from now on, and only brought out "Finecast" to replace the existing metal models until they could be replaced later by plastic kits?
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Post by: Kroothawk
Small tidbit: According to Bramgaunt, the magic focus terrain is 32.50 € per two (throne/circle and column/portal).
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Well, this release is a big pile of fail (IMHO of course). Apart from the casters, which are for the most part lovely.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Sidstyler wrote:Or are they going to be doing everything in plastic from now on, and only brought out "Finecast" to replace the existing metal models until they could be replaced later by plastic kits?
Let's hope that's the case.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Manticore and Chimera are way too chunky for my tastes, I like the cockatrice, the plastic Sorceress and Necromancer are excellent, and will be getting both for Mordheim.
Chaos Sorceror is also good, not so sure on the Tzeentch one, and as I said in the other thread the Black Dragon isn't my cup of tea. Something about the pose is completely off for me, and I'm not sure it fits with the rest of the Dark Elf range.
Terrain is poor, except the Staircase which I will also be getting for Mordheim.
A bit hit and miss tbh.
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Post by: RiTides
Does anyone have better pics of the Chimera (sp?)?
The dragon and cockatrice are both pretty easy to make out, but the only chimera pic I saw in this thread was on the page crease and really hard to make out.
The manticore's hard to make out, too... but there' no need
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Post by: Dysartes
Is this stuff up on the GW site yet? I'd like to get a look at some better pics than the GW images.
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Post by: RiTides
Also, having looked at these a bit more, I have a few more questions:
1) Are the portals the correct size for a DE Webway portal (sorry if asked already, I saw in another thread I believe Kroothawk said "No", but I'd like confirmation). That would've been sweet...
2) The dice look like the previous skull dice, except with a different "6" logo, and washed different colors? Still totally awesome, will probably get these
3) Just an observation- the cockatrice foot-on-tail will be really easy to cut off and replace with something more appropriate. That model is definitely win... as is the dragon, imho, if you do something about the head. Hopefully the Chimera's good, too, once a better pic is posted.
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Post by: dumbuket
Cockatrice is apparently finecast. Any interested I had in the model has completely evaporated.
This whole 'storm of magic' is probably gonna be a no go for me.
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Post by: kenshin620
dumbuket wrote:Cockatrice is apparently finecast. Any interested I had in the model has completely evaporated.
Hurray for the fine print
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Post by: Magos Explorator
dumbuket wrote:Cockatrice is apparently finecast. Any interested I had in the model has completely evaporated.
Same here--from the reviews I've seen I'm still not convinced about it. Maybe in 6 months or so when packing/bubbles/miscast issues have (hopefully) dropped off!
I will pick up a plastic necromancer, though.
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Post by: Platuan4th
RiTides wrote:1) Are the portals the correct size for a DE Webway portal (sorry if asked already, I saw in another thread I believe Kroothawk said "No", but I'd like confirmation). That would've been sweet...
Unless they're doing a different mold than previously, it should be. It looks like the same piece as the Vortex Grenade/Webway Portal.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
and as I said in the other thread the Black Dragon isn't my cup of tea. Something about the pose is completely off for me, and I'm not sure it fits with the rest of the Dark Elf range.
Most of the Dark Elf range doesn't fit with the Dark Elf range.
Same goes for the High Elf range, to be frank. It's the damn plastic core that's holding them back from being a winning sell to me.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Aye, sadly true, considering we have Chris Fitzpatrick stuff from years back when it was a focused style.
Looking at it again, I also reckon the Sorceress on the Dragon looks odd, not extravagant enough for me. Looks less impressive clothing wise than the Sorceress on a Cold one.
Someone really needs to show the designers the Sorceress in WaR, that style was amazing.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Dang.
I need that throne.
Not the whirlwind of skulls, not the pile of giant skulls, just the throne.
Dang.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Kyoto, how can you not want a SKULLWIND?
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Kanluwen wrote:Kyoto, how can you not want a SKULLWIND?
Certainly I WANT a SKULLWIND, but I don't quite need it in the way I need a good throne for my Genestealer Patriarch.
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Post by: Swordwind
I like the skulls.
And those skulls.
And the skulls over there.
It's like a skull overdose.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Kid_Kyoto wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Kyoto, how can you not want a SKULLWIND?
Certainly I WANT a SKULLWIND, but I don't quite need it in the way I need a good throne for my Genestealer Patriarch.
I bet you can find a good throne easier than a Skullwind. Thank God GW is filling in the lack of Skullwinds.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Kanluwen wrote:Kid_Kyoto wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Kyoto, how can you not want a SKULLWIND?
Certainly I WANT a SKULLWIND, but I don't quite need it in the way I need a good throne for my Genestealer Patriarch.
I bet you can find a good throne easier than a Skullwind. Thank God GW is filling in the lack of Skullwinds.
Indeed.
Just the other day, I was thinking: "This wind just isn't Grimdark enough, what can be done about this egregious oversight?"
Thankfully, Games Workshop has come to the world's rescue.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Platuan4th wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Kid_Kyoto wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Kyoto, how can you not want a SKULLWIND?
Certainly I WANT a SKULLWIND, but I don't quite need it in the way I need a good throne for my Genestealer Patriarch.
I bet you can find a good throne easier than a Skullwind. Thank God GW is filling in the lack of Skullwinds.
Indeed.
Just the other day, I was thinking: "This wind just isn't Grimdark enough, what can be done about this egregious oversight?"
Thankfully, Games Workshop has come to the world's rescue.
If only we can get a Skullhurricane. Or maybe Skullrain.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Kanluwen wrote:Platuan4th wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Kid_Kyoto wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Kyoto, how can you not want a SKULLWIND?
Certainly I WANT a SKULLWIND, but I don't quite need it in the way I need a good throne for my Genestealer Patriarch.
I bet you can find a good throne easier than a Skullwind. Thank God GW is filling in the lack of Skullwinds.
Indeed.
Just the other day, I was thinking: "This wind just isn't Grimdark enough, what can be done about this egregious oversight?"
Thankfully, Games Workshop has come to the world's rescue.
If only we can get a Skullhurricane. Or maybe Skullrain.
Skullhurricane looks awkward, I put forth that its new name should be Skullicane.
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Post by: finnan
Skurricain?
Skullnado?
Whirlskull?
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Post by: Swordwind
Skullpocalypse.
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Post by: Alpharius
I too would like better pictures of the Chimera.
I like the Cockatrice, and depending on which armies can field it (I'm guessing... any?), I might pick it up along with the Chimera, if it looks a bit better than what we've seen so far...
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Post by: Platuan4th
Alpharius wrote:I like the Cockatrice, and depending on which armies can field it (I'm guessing... any?), I might pick it up along with the Chimera, if it looks a bit better than what we've seen so far...
I really hope that Skaven can field one. Don't want to have to resort to High Elves(which I own to loan to people who don't have their own armies) or Daemons for it. Either way, I'm getting it to paint.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Platuan4th wrote:Alpharius wrote:I like the Cockatrice, and depending on which armies can field it (I'm guessing... any?), I might pick it up along with the Chimera, if it looks a bit better than what we've seen so far...
I really hope that Skaven can field one. Don't want to have to resort to High Elves(which I own to loan to people who don't have their own armies) or Daemons for it.
Either way, I'm getting it to paint.
I don't see why High Elves would have the Cockatrice.
The Cockatrice, along with Chimeras, Manticores, and various other weird critters are Chaos breeds that they used to fight against in the previous High Elf army book's "signature mission". I think it was Anluii Patrol? Something of that nature. Small amount of High Elves fighting the beasties to save villages that the beasts might demolish in their 'migrations'.
Either way. Definitely going to be an interesting summer. That Black Dragon is just calling out to me.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Platuan4th wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Platuan4th wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Kid_Kyoto wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Kyoto, how can you not want a SKULLWIND?
Certainly I WANT a SKULLWIND, but I don't quite need it in the way I need a good throne for my Genestealer Patriarch.
I bet you can find a good throne easier than a Skullwind. Thank God GW is filling in the lack of Skullwinds.
Indeed.
Just the other day, I was thinking: "This wind just isn't Grimdark enough, what can be done about this egregious oversight?"
Thankfully, Games Workshop has come to the world's rescue.
If only we can get a Skullhurricane. Or maybe Skullrain.
Skullhurricane looks awkward, I put forth that its new name should be Skullicane.
Maybe if I buy the whole set I can swap the SKULLPHOON for more SKULL THRONES.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Here the Citadel terrain range:
Realm of Skulls Gameboard 
Watchtower of Skulls
Chapel of Skulls
Manor House of Skulls
Big Tower of Skulls
Ruined Big Tower of Skulls
Arcane Ruins of Skulls
Temple of Skulls
Forest of Skulls
Walls and Fences of Skulls
now adding:
Vortex of Skulls
Throne of Skulls
Column of Skulls
Portal of Skulls
and soon ... a Graveyard 
The Warhammer Fortress will soon be discontinued (no skulls! )
Yo dawg, I heard you like skulls, so ...
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Post by: Fenriswulf
I'd like their new plastic wizards a lot more if they all weren't making the 'O' face.
That and the fact that I am no longer buying their stuff. If VC's get to use a Chimera or something similar, I will buy Banelegions stuff instead.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Another small tidbit:
M'ichal wrote:btw, there some old minis being released in Finecast in July as well, notably the Lammasu, Great Taurus, Dark Emissary, Truthsayer, Fenbeast and Cold One
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Post by: kenshin620
The return of the Dark Emissary, Fenbeast, and Truthsayer? Interesting
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Post by: RiTides
The old Lammasu and Great Taurus sculpts are being re-released in finecast?
That said, I'm fine with the Cockatrice being finecast if it's not insanely priced- the material is actually really good for large monsters.
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Post by: Alpharius
RiTides wrote:The old Lammasu and Great Taurus sculpts are being re-released in finecast?
That said, I'm fine with the Cockatrice being finecast if it's not insanely priced- the material is actually really good for large monsters.
This is... odd.
I wonder if they are being re-released to 'protect' what might be otherwise seen as discontinued/dormant IP OR if they actually have "mainline" plans for Chaos Dwarfs?
I am sincerely hoping it is the latter!
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Post by: Breotan
I seriously doubt there are any plans by GW to bring Chaos Dwarves into WHFB. They're likely going to be FW only like the Elysians and DKoK.
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Post by: His Master's Voice
Kroothawk wrote:Another small tidbit:
M'ichal wrote:btw, there some old minis being released in Finecast in July as well, notably the Lammasu, Great Taurus, Dark Emissary, Truthsayer, Fenbeast and Cold One
Oh, for goodness sake, how about you remake some good models in Finecast, like maybe Be'Lakor?
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Post by: BrassScorpion
After this round of leaks from the upcoming White Dwarf, GW's next attempt to control previews will result in them no longer showing new product even when it goes up for Advance Order, you'll have to buy it sight-unseen and hope it's something you want. LOL.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
BrassScorpion wrote:After this round of leaks from the upcoming White Dwarf, GW's next attempt to control previews will result in them no longer showing new product even when it goes up for Advance Order, you'll have to buy it sight-unseen and hope it's something you want. LOL.
Hey it works for the Clicky games!
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Post by: Murdock129
Kroothawk wrote:Another small tidbit:
M'ichal wrote:btw, there some old minis being released in Finecast in July as well, notably the Lammasu, Great Taurus, Dark Emissary, Truthsayer, Fenbeast and Cold One
Well I for one am ecstatic to hear this as I loved all the models mentioned here, and hope if this is true that Classic Chaos Dwarf Bull Centaurs are also made, if they were to bring back the old CD Bighat range in Citidel Finecast regardless of the price I'd buy an army
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Post by: Alpharius
Murdock129 wrote:Kroothawk wrote:Another small tidbit:
M'ichal wrote:btw, there some old minis being released in Finecast in July as well, notably the Lammasu, Great Taurus, Dark Emissary, Truthsayer, Fenbeast and Cold One
Well I for one am ecstatic to hear this as I loved all the models mentioned here, and hope if this is true that Classic Chaos Dwarf Bull Centaurs are also made, if they were to bring back the old CD Bighat range in Citidel Finecast regardless of the price I'd buy an army
Same here!
I will so be buying a Great Taurus and a Lamassu IF this rumor is true...
Though I already have the RH Lamassu (thanks Capt. and Steve!), and there are those rumors of FW versions too...
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Post by: PapaSmurf
Just saw those new chaos sorcerers - they look awful!
yeah really need to bring Be'lakor back
cheers
papasmurf
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Post by: Sersi
Well, this is a mixed bag isn't it.
Yesss..
The plastic characters are great, I'll pick up one of each of those. The Chaos Sorcerers are win. The Dark Elf Sorceress is a beauty, with hair constructed from three separate pieces. Wow...GW just keeps improving it molding capability with each new release. I need that Necromancer, In fact I love everything about his design; it fits perfectly with the re-imagined VC line.
Hmmm:
I like most of the Cockatrice, tail hand....why? I'll get that to use as a count's as Lord of Change.
Uugh:
I don't like the dragon the Plastic Fell beast is far nicer, and a simple conversion. The Manticore is just un-inspired, and the Chimera looks off. That said all of them are better that what we have now.
All of the Terrain is ridiculous and situational. I count something like 30 skulls on the Throne alone...and that's just the parts of it facing the camera.... Grim-dark indeed. Although I must confess that the Vortex intrigues me for conversion purposes of course.
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Post by: Sidstyler
Kanluwen wrote:Same goes for the High Elf range, to be frank. It's the damn plastic core that's holding them back from being a winning sell to me.
Well continue to be disappointed, because if the current trend continues they'll just come up with something completely new and make a kit for that instead of replacing the ugly core models. Instead of new warriors they'll probably just give Dark Elves...uh...crap, I dunno, giant winged ballistae with elves riding on them like they were mounts? Or maybe a giant plastic kraken for $99 instead of plastic dark riders (which would probably also cost $99 since that seems to be the price GW is satisfied with for five guys on horses ).
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Aye, sadly true, considering we have Chris Fitzpatrick stuff from years back when it was a focused style.
Looking at it again, I also reckon the Sorceress on the Dragon looks odd, not extravagant enough for me. Looks less impressive clothing wise than the Sorceress on a Cold one.
Someone really needs to show the designers the Sorceress in WaR, that style was amazing.
Yeah, it seems like the design studio is all hung up on man faces and bikinis. They can't do anything else.
Although maybe that's for the best, because apparently their last idea of extravagant clothing was Morticia with triangular cones on her breasts. Buh.
BrassScorpion wrote:After this round of leaks from the upcoming White Dwarf, GW's next attempt to control previews will result in them no longer showing new product even when it goes up for Advance Order, you'll have to buy it sight-unseen and hope it's something you want. LOL.
Technically we're already kinda doing that with Finecast boxes as it is, but I take you're referring to paying for items before you even see box art or images of the actual models?
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Not what I meant. Kid_Kyoto got it.
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Post by: Murdock129
PapaSmurf wrote:Just saw those new chaos sorcerers - they look awful!
yeah really need to bring Be'lakor back
cheers
papasmurf
You do know you can stil buy that model on GW's web site right? In the WoC collectors section
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Post by: RiTides
True, but it'd be a much better candidate for finecast, I would have thought... still, in retrospect I'm kind of intrigued by those old sculpts being brought back, too. If they'd bring back the classic chaos dwarf sculpts to go along with it... man. Doing something the fans want? Crazy
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Post by: Flashman
Nice plastic spell casters, shame they didn't release the new Liche priest in this manner. The necromancer is very nice. Half tempted to switch to VC especially with new stuff on the way. At the very least, I'll buy one for my Mordheim Undead Warband.
I'm not so excited about the monsters. Strikes me as a bit of a rush job, especially when compared to some of their recent big kits like the Araknarok and the HPA. If Storm of Magic turns into Fantasy Planetstrike i.e. a big splash release that GW forgets about after two months, I can't really see those beasties selling very well.
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Post by: kendoka
Aaarghhh.
What happened with Quality Control?
Although I am thrilled over this massive release I just cannot get past the fact that GW has produced yet another (actually two) sculpts to rival Nagash and Pumbagor for the "Worst Miniature Of All Time"-award.
The Chimera is "MacDonalds toy meets soft plastic Godzilla" and beyond critique.
The Manticore has some merit - but is nevertheless shockingly bad.
What happened with the approach Jes Goodwin took while sculpting the excellent Cold Ones (studying anatomy etc.)???
Some of my thoughts:
Compare the above with the excellent (although quite small) sculpt below - and see what could have been...
The head, mouth, teeth, horns, pose, claws etc. of the Raging Heroes Manticore is just superior - making the GW one look clumsy and as if sculpted in Play Dough.
Even if Jes was booked and had no time to draw concepts the 'net is full of Manticore concepts that could have worked:
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Post by: finnan
lol
yeah, GW did a cease and disist on the Raging Heroes manticore/Lamassau because they were worried it might make their sculpt look bad... er, wait, no, they did that all by themselves. What is going on with it's front legs/arms?!
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Post by: Kroothawk
Fontunately, the Raging Heroes Manticore is still available (only the Lamashu victim of C&D): http://www.ragingheroes.com/products/manticore
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Post by: Bloodwin
kendoka wrote:Aaarghhh.
The Manticore has some merit - but is nevertheless shockingly bad.
What happened with the approach Jes Goodwin took while sculpting the excellent Cold Ones (studying anatomy etc.)???
A few thoughts on some of your criticisms:
Slayer hair cut - this seems to be a standard GW way of giving options on models wither a hair or spine replacement. The other manticore in the group shot has different hair and the horns have become front tusks.
Short nose - I blame Adrian Smith for this. A lot of his art has this horrible short snout syndrome to the point where I have seen people insist on using high elf lions for Fenrisian Wolves. If it has a cat skull it cant be a dog because thats how cats and dogs are differentiated. Unless the "there are no Wolves on Fenris' rumour is meant to mean they are in fact cats.
hug you hands - If you google for 'lion attack' and 'lion leaping' you can see that when I lionattacks it has the 'hug you hands and when it's leaping to ground it has it's paws flat, but yes the side ways hands out of context look odd. I agree on the knuckles but it might be more the fingers that are wrong.
Knee joints - a digitigrade animal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digitigrade has forward facing knees on it's hing legs, the lower leg is an elongated foot. Look at the rear half of the Island of Blood Griffon.
Feet - I find the feet to be one of the worst bits and very lazy. These kind of over the top claws look really stupid given that there is a lot of classical sculture and antique furniture given lion's paws as feet.
Ribs and belly - I think the ribs and belly look odd as it would be rare to have a fat belly and skinny ribs.
I'm not a massive fan of this model but it's better than the Dragon that's begging to be tipped over or the Chimera which just looks odd. Other than that GW need to pull their finger out and not send pics to the printers until they've revealed it on their site as this is just fueling speculation about sculpts that we havent seen in the flesh. I am actually a fan of the Razorgore and the minotaurs but feel that 'Eavy Metal butchered the paint jobs on them so I am hoping someone can salvage one of the plastic models (the Cockatrice looks fine).
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Post by: RiTides
The raging heroes manticore is awesome, but probably too small to stand in for that model.
I think it will work excellently as a character mount, though (the RH one).
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Post by: Bloodwin
I don't get it as the Lammasau is a mythical beast, I'd have cited historical sources and told them they can't copyright another country's culture. Whilst I am a fan of GW's creative people, their lawyers need a kick in the wossnames.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
That's correct, you can't copyright another country's culture, but you can copyright your own model design. GW claimed the offending model was closely copied from their own.
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Post by: Kroothawk
They also claim the copyright for arrows, Roman numbers and Moorcock's Chaos Star, but that's irrelevant.
Raging Heroes might have won, but they decided it was not worth the hassle, as the Lammasshu was an unplanned extra profit anyway.
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Post by: Alpharius
RiTides wrote:True, but it'd be a much better candidate for finecast, I would have thought... still, in retrospect I'm kind of intrigued by those old sculpts being brought back, too. If they'd bring back the classic chaos dwarf sculpts to go along with it... man. Doing something the fans want? Crazy
That would be awesome - but of course they'd also have to give us an 'official' army list too!
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Post by: keezus
Sad as it is to say, I think the new manticore is much worse than the current silly looking one.
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Post by: Flashman
keezus wrote:Sad as it is to say, I think the new manticore is much worse than the current silly looking one.
It is a bit of disaster. Sometimes I wonder whether the reason these things get through is because they don't want to hurt the sculptor's feelings...
...this would make sense if they weren't doing it all on a computer where a complete overhaul should (I imagine) take less time...
...but as others have pointed out, how did this even get past the concept stage?
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Post by: ghosty
In fairness, we are working from blurred images taken from larger pictures. I personally am hoping that some actual pictures in nice resolution and from different angles before I reserve judgement. I personally like the face for example.
The Cockatrice looks great incidently, and I'll probably pick it up along with the Chaos Sorcerers.
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Post by: kendoka
As the one that made the Manti image I thought I would point out that I think the non-monsters (i.e. magic casters) of this release is absolutely stunning.
Will probably buy them all.
The terrain pieces are also rather nice (although someone at GW seems to have a fetish for skullz).
As I play Dark Elves and would love to field a few GW Manticores.
I am actually considering hiring a talented sculptor that I know to make a "Manticore conversion kit" that would replace the bad parts with new ones (in resin).
Problem is that it seems not much of the original Manti would remain:
A new RH-ish head (almost as big as the GW one), new front limbs/paws, a new belly (and back?), a scorpion tail, ...
--
Thinking a lot about why GW keeps releasing "crap" models (Pumbagor, Minotaurs, Karanak, Daemon Prince, Gorger, Vespid Stingwings...) at the same time they produce some of the absolutely best minis on the market.
As even badly sculpted minis will sell (if having good rules) I guess GW might not realise the error of their ways - but I know a lot of people that are put off by bad minis, holding back on plans to start collecting new armies.
This is especially true when the core troops are awful (Dark Elf Warriors, Catachans, ...).
I myself stopped collecting High Elves ten years ago when GW introduced the large cartoonish horses (making my elite Dragon Princes look as riding ponies).
I have shunned from collecting Dark Elves (until GW released the brilliant Corsairs) due to the DE Warriors looking so bad.
I collect Cadians instead of Catachans due to the latter (except for the newly released command) having bloated bodies.
Etc.
Many of the bad lines are really old plastic kits - but, why is GW still from time to time releasing silly sculpts?
Either it is:
- weak leadership (not wanting to hurt a certain sculptors feelings)
- a total lack of QC (management eager to sell even bad sculpts)
- a clever plan (offer some "cute" monsters/minis to appeal to parents of younger kids)
Thoughts?
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Post by: Flashman
My only conclusion on the monsters is that they had to have been rushed. If you think about it, 4 large kits is a big release in terms of time spent on sculpting. Maybe Trish Morrison just didn't have the time to get them all looking good.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Flashman wrote:My only conclusion on the monsters is that they had to have been rushed. If you think about it, 4 large kits is a big release in terms of time spent on sculpting. Maybe Trish Morrison just didn't have the time to get them all looking good.
Trish Morrison, period, doesn't do that well sculpting.
Her stuff is really, really hit or miss.
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Post by: RiTides
I wonder if RH will ever produce their manticore in a different scale? I bet at 54mm it'd fit the bill for this nicely...
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Post by: Kroothawk
I think it IS a perfect scale for a riding mount. Just put it on the appropriate base. LOS seems to be a minor problem in Fantasy.
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Post by: Bloodwin
kendoka wrote:
As I play Dark Elves and would love to field a few GW Manticores.
I am actually considering hiring a talented sculptor that I know to make a "Manticore conversion kit" that would replace the bad parts with new ones (in resin).
Problem is that it seems not much of the original Manti would remain:
A new RH-ish head (almost as big as the GW one), new front limbs/paws, a new belly (and back?), a scorpion tail, ...
... Thoughts?
The problem with both heads is that they are lions (or meant to be). A manticore has a lion's body with a human face. A better idea would be to take a GW giant face and kit bash it with the manticore.
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Post by: Sidstyler
keezus wrote:Sad as it is to say, I think the new manticore is much worse than the current silly looking one.
I agree, I used to want a manticore for my DE army (when I was actually interested in my DE army anyway [and there wasn't a good dragon to use either]), and deliberately waited for a new model to come out (which is probably one reason I lost interest, waited too long! lol), and now that it has I'm really disappointed, and honestly I think I also prefer the old one, as silly and anorexic as it looked...at least it had a somewhat menacing pose.
The only way you could use this kit to make a good-looking manticore model would be if you cut the crap out of it and used half a tube of green stuff to resculpt it into a different pose. Anyone interested in taking up that challenge? Because I'm sure as hell not. I dunno though, could be a good way to learn how to sculpt, right? Maybe I could use the manticore for practice and when I'm skilled enough I could fix my "Finecast" incubi!
Maybe it was all part of their grand plan...they ensure sales of the dragon by making the other DE mount look like utter garbage. I know I'm already thinking that if I were going to buy one or the other to lead my army I'd say screw it and go with the dragon, which will no doubt be the most expensive of the new kits.
Just...ugh. I don't know what the hell they're doing. I know one thing though, if they keep putting out kits for Fantasy that look like this, then I will continue to want nothing to do with it. What I don't get is how you can keep getting these concepts so damn wrong, like the minotaurs before it. It's a minotaur, it's really not that difficult to make one that looks the part, and GW in particular should have had no problem making one that looked awesome. Instead they come out with this grotesque-looking thing with mutated feet (which I don't really have much of a problem with honestly, I'm more disturbed by its ankles, lol), rhino-like features on its face, and such absurd musculature that its muscles even have muscles, and combined with the brilliant studio paint job, it makes the whole thing look like a fat, bulging ham more than anything. And what really kills me is that the artwork in the Beastmen book looks like you'd expect, your stereotypical minotaur, whereas the model could not possibly have been any farther from it. The manticore is the same thing, except there are so many different interpretations of the manticore in fiction that you'd think GW being the big company they are could really run with it, making their own unique interpretation and making it look really badass in the process...they'd have too, after all, since inevitably everything GW produces has an obscene price tag, so the quality must be top-notch if you're going to convince anyone to part with that cash. You can't sculpt a literal turd and expect everyone to fork out close to $60 for the god-damned thing, all you're doing at that point is wasting your time.
So that's my opinion on the manticore thus far: a waste of GW's time, and a waste of my precious money. Maybe my opinion will change when I see the model in person, but seeing as how it didn't help me accept the dreadknight or either of the offending Beastmen offerings, I doubt it.
Just out of curiosity, what else has Trish Morrison sculpted? I must not be that familiar with her work.
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Post by: LunaHound
Sidstyler wrote:Just out of curiosity, what else has Trish Morrison sculpted? I must not be that familiar with her work.
Google showed some warhammer images, not sure if tis 100% accurate thats her sculpts though
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=lBW&rls=org.mozilla:en-US fficial&q=trish+morrison&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1400&bih=710&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Trish has basically sculpted most of all monsters and creature mounts GW has ever released.
From the good to the bad. To me the best example of her hit and miss ratio are the Greater Daemons.
Two are awesome, GUO and LoC, while the other two are lacking in comparrison, although the Bloodthirster improved with the second head.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Bloodwin wrote:
The problem with both heads is that they are lions (or meant to be). A manticore has a lion's body with a human face. A better idea would be to take a GW giant face and kit bash it with the manticore.
In mythology, yes, but Warhammer/ GW Manticores have always just been winged lions.
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Post by: gicks30
Imo...
Sorcerers are great, as is the dragon - plastic plus lots of options.
Best looking part of the Manticore.. is the rider.
Chimera's hands, feet, and pose are similar to the manticore - not good. And the dragon head reminds me of Godzilla (not good either).
As for the Terrain.. meh.. the stairs are nice, the throne itself is nice too but the rest of the piece is meh.
Overall nothing to be excited about for me. Nothing really fits aesthetically with the armies I have.
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Post by: Aurelia
The DE sorceress and Necromancer are great and despite having gotten out of WHFB I may pick up one to paint. The terrain is okay but looks more suited to being in a diorama or display piece rather than being usable. The monsters are all terrible... The dragon looks like a fellbeast, which is not my taste at all. The cockatrice looks like a half-plucked parrot thats had an unfortunate encounter with a large snake. The manticore and chimera are too painful to comment on. Fairplay to anyone who likes them but I cannot say anything good myself.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Update on prices by Asphix over at Warseer:
Hey all,
I know i don't have credit and such.
But i just got a mail from my retailer with pre-orders for coming july.
I don't know if this is known but just for you information.
expected 9 July 2011:
Chimera € 32,50
Lord of Chaos on Manticore € 40,00
Dark Elf Dreadlord on Black Dragon € 40,00
Magewrath Throne & Balewind Vortex € 29,25
Eternity Stair & Dreadfire Portal € 29,25
Warriors of Chaos Sorcerer Lord € 10,50
Warriors of Chaos Tzeentch Sorcerer Lord € 10,50
Dark Elf Supreme Soreceress € 10,50
Vampire Counts Necromancer € 10,50
Warhammer Storm of Magic € 39,00
Vortex Templates € 22,75
Warhammer Battle Magic Storm of Magic € 10,50
Medio Juli:
White Dwarf #380 Sister of Battle Codex p1 € 7,50
Date Unknown:
Cockatrice € 30,00
Seems like WD is getting a price rise, as cynics have said
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Kroothawk wrote:
Medio Juli:
White Dwarf #380 Sister of Battle Codex p1 € 7,50
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Post by: Wehrkind
I really like the sorcerers, especially the DE one. The rest... eh not so much. The dragon might turn out well, and there is definitely potential in the cockatrice, but... just not excited.
I do have to say though, has NO ONE painted a unit of DE wytches in the past 10 years that look better than those... those things in the picture? With the new Sorc in front of them they look even more goofy and horrible than otherwise.
So new GW purches = 2 plastic chaos sorcs and 1 DE sorc maybe. Not looking good for GW this year for me.
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Post by: RiTides
Kroothawk wrote:Date Unknown:
Cockatrice € 30,00
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand sad panda 
The one excellent model of the bunch... interesting that it is listed cheaper than all the others, if it is indeed finecast?
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Post by: iproxtaco
It's Citadel Fineprint! That's why the prices have gone up! Well done guy in another thread, your prediction was correct.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Kroothawk wrote:
Seems like WD is getting a price rise, as cynics have said
Hey, they need to make up the cost of losing customers to PP somehow!
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Post by: Flashman
You know when you go into £-Stretcher, Poundland or a 99p store and their toy sections have those badly handpainted random fantasy monsters sets. That's where I'd expect to see a Manticore of that quality. 99p might be a reasonable price then, but not thirty odd pounds.
GW can have some £££ by way of a cheaper third party for the Necromancer, but otherwise SoM is a release that will pass me by.
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Post by: Kroothawk
RiTides wrote:Kroothawk wrote:Date Unknown:
Cockatrice € 30,00
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand sad panda
The one excellent model of the bunch... interesting that it is listed cheaper than all the others, if it is indeed finecast?
I think that is is just an artifact of GW's Finecast anti-marketing.
The Cockatrice is featured in the WD as a July release. Finecast models can only be seen in the WD and on the website, no order form for traders includes Finecast for some reason, even if everyone can order them. It is GW's policy of not "advertising" Finecast products, not even in internal emails to traders. Nobody understands why, but there you are.
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Post by: The Fragile Breath
Yikes... The Black Dragon is THAT expensive? I expected it to be a bit expensive, but not that bad, that may stop me from buying it... The Dark Elf Sorceress, however, I will snatch up.
I'm not sure why I'm so appalled at these prices, I really should have seen it coming.
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Post by: RiTides
Wait- so the Cockatrice is a July release, and the price is correct (30 euros... whatever that is, but cheaper than the other monsters?).
No longer a sad panda
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Post by: bloodaxegit
Liking the cockatrice.
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Post by: itsonlyme
Why can't anyone post something about this that gets me remotely excited about the expansion, I mean the DE sorceress looks pretty cool, I hate the Tzeentch sorcerer, the chaos sorcerer better have a alternate head, I don't really care about monsters and rumours about the new rules I read on carpe just annoy me.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
iproxtaco wrote:It's Citadel Fineprint! That's why the prices have gone up! Well done guy in another thread, your prediction was correct.
Your welcome... I think...
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Post by: kenshin620
itsonlyme wrote:Why can't anyone post something about this that gets me remotely excited about the expansion
Because gw isnt coming out with anything to excite you? Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment
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Post by: Kroothawk
MeanGreenStompa wrote:iproxtaco wrote:It's Citadel Fineprint! That's why the prices have gone up! Well done guy in another thread, your prediction was correct.
Your welcome... I think...
Seems like the Euro price for the English edition is indeed 7.50 € for some time (German edition 7.00 €). So maybe not a price increase.
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Post by: Sidstyler
I had to lol at the $60 manticore. The dragon I can kinda see, even though if you ask me that's still too much for a sculpt of that quality...but the manticore? Have fun trying to sell that.
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Post by: itsonlyme
kenshin620 wrote:itsonlyme wrote:Why can't anyone post something about this that gets me remotely excited about the expansion
Because gw isnt coming out with anything to excite you? Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment
Its been a long road since they released the WoC book
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Post by: Skittles
So, got a copy of WD today. You'll all be happy to know, the co-authors of Storm of Magic are Jeremy Vetock, and...
Matt Ward.
Also, the Lammasu got C&D'd because GW is re-releasing their Lammasu in Finecast on July 23, along with a few other old models. Enjoy.
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Post by: Nagashek
Skittles wrote:Matt Ward.
Ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.....
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Post by: -Loki-
That was inevitable, since he was one of the developers for 8th edition.
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Post by: nectarprime
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrdddddddddddd
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Post by: army310
This WD is the best one I have read in a long time you get chimera rules in it New rules for Cities of Death like New stratagems, scenarios and a modelling workshop. The new stuff looks good really good and you have to look at page 18-19 OMG I want to play a game on that so bad(and pg 20).
The WD is not just about Cities of Death and Storm of Magic it has some Dark Eldar love too. So as I said before this is one of the best WD I have read in a long time and I hope this how WD will be and that they get better in time.
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Post by: army310
Not as bad I as I thought it would be.
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Post by: DarkStarSabre
I'm particularly intrigued by the 'Resin' Cold One.
Cold Ones?
In Finecast?
Whaaaaa?
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Post by: Mr Mystery
Indeed. At this time, seems a tad....superfulous.
Need to see the inevitable Black Box. It might be a mount or somesuch for Storm of Magic.
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Post by: DarkStarSabre
Doesn't bode well. Bloody expensive if you just want to bits order cold ones as an alternative mount - since, y'know, they no longer sell the buggers individually.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
And finally, the insistence by some here on a "Summer of Fliers" for 40K appears to be deceased. This is the longest we've gone all year without someone resurrecting that thread.
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Post by: Mr Mystery
DarkStarSabre wrote:Doesn't bode well. Bloody expensive if you just want to bits order cold ones as an alternative mount - since, y'know, they no longer sell the buggers individually.
Good point.
Most perplexing!
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Post by: Kirasu
Oh GW how did you know that I wanted a 50$ 150page expansion book?? Thank you!
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Post by: McNs
BrassScorpion wrote:And finally, the insistence by some here on a "Summer of Fliers" for 40K appears to be deceased. This is the longest we've gone all year without someone resurrecting that thread.
So what you're saying is: the Cockatrice and Manticore will be given flying rules for 40K?
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